**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 23 02:59:58 2013
Jun 23 03:04:12 <liquidmetal> what's a good way to save files to gif?
Jun 23 03:04:24 <liquidmetal> I found a class online - but its _way_ too slow
Jun 23 03:14:02 <notbryant> what do you mean by "files"?
Jun 23 03:29:14 <rytrix> Hey everyone
Jun 23 03:29:53 <rytrix> anyone good with timer widgets? I have a couple things I could use advice on
Jun 23 03:36:36 <roramirez> Hello Everybody, i have a little question about location. I show the example on http://developer.android.com/training/location/retrieve-current.html but i need implement this on a Fragment.
Jun 23 03:37:44 <clever> http://privatepaste.com/8a2588656e clicking this button should change the fragment displayed in the activity, right?
Jun 23 03:37:58 <roramirez> on Fragment dont do FragmentActivity implements   LocationListener because is this way is for a Activity
Jun 23 03:39:15 <roramirez> clever: let me show my fragment
Jun 23 03:41:08 <roramirez> clever:  http://privatepaste.com/2e262e2fbe
Jun 23 03:43:00 <clever> roramirez: cant seen any issue in that code
Jun 23 03:43:50 <roramirez> this code is ok, what I want is to take the location in that part
Jun 23 03:44:25 <clever> roramirez: i would just add LocationListener foo = new LocationListener(){}; at the top of the fragment
Jun 23 03:44:32 <clever> and pass foo over to the location service
Jun 23 03:44:32 <roramirez> i saw the example http://developer.android.com/training/location/retrieve-current.html but this is for a activity
Jun 23 03:44:58 <clever> and i figured out my own fragment issue, real silly mistake
Jun 23 03:45:07 <clever> the 2nd fragment was using the same layout as the 1st fragment
Jun 23 03:45:14 <clever> so they where visualy identical! (facepalm)
Jun 23 03:50:00 <roramirez> ok
Jun 23 03:51:58 <roramirez> for this on fragment         mLocationClient = new LocationClient(this, this, this); what is equivalente at ?
Jun 23 03:52:44 <clever> http://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/location/LocationClient.html#LocationClient(android.content.Context, com.google.android.gms.common.GooglePlayServicesClient.ConnectionCallbacks, com.google.android.gms.common.GooglePlayServicesClient.OnConnectionFailedListener)
Jun 23 03:53:09 <clever> it wants a context (use getActivity() ), then it wants a ConnectionCallbacks object, and a OnConnectionFailedListener
Jun 23 03:53:34 <clever> either make the fragment implement the 2 interfaces, or create new ones like you did for LocationListener
Jun 23 03:54:13 <roramirez> ok, i understand
Jun 23 03:54:17 <roramirez> thanks clever
Jun 23 03:56:07 <Maziz> anybody found a memory problem with the LocationClient
Jun 23 03:56:13 <Maziz> memory leak*
Jun 23 03:59:50 <roramirez> Maziz: this https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=56302 ?
Jun 23 04:02:00 <Maziz> yeah. Im unable to test on other non samsung device yet
Jun 23 04:24:45 <f2prateek> Having a problem like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2665796/android-handle-oauth-callback-using-intent-filter; intent filter works fine with custom scheme but not with http . I'm using facebook oauth (not with the sdk) and it limits the oauth callback to be either http or https only so I can't use a custom scheme. Any workarounds (other than using a webview)
Jun 23 04:56:01 <liquidmetal> how do you reinitialize a static array?
Jun 23 04:57:52 <notbryant> reinitialize?
Jun 23 05:01:41 <dlaroche> array.clear()
Jun 23 05:04:52 <damccull_> i'm having issues with isloggable(). I do adb shell setprop log.tag DEBUG, but I get none of my logs
Jun 23 05:05:17 <damccull_> do I have to set log.tag to the tag I pass into Log.d?
Jun 23 05:48:21 <Sonicadvance1> Is it possible to claim first /before/ my app gets pushed through Google's servers? :P
Jun 23 05:54:04 <notbryant> claim?
Jun 23 05:54:45 <Sonicadvance1> First OpenGL ES 3 application on the Android market :D
Jun 23 05:56:40 <KornKage> what app
Jun 23 05:57:49 <Sonicadvance1> Dolphin, Gamecube and Wii emulator
Jun 23 05:59:49 <notbryant> woah. nice
Jun 23 06:00:10 <notbryant> is it going to be on the ouya?
Jun 23 06:00:25 <Sonicadvance1> Ouya doesn't support enough to be supported
Jun 23 06:00:30 <Sonicadvance1> Tegra 4 can barely be supported
Jun 23 06:01:29 <Sonicadvance1> Adreno video drivers are buggy as balls, so the OpenGL ES 3 video backend slow as crap :(
Jun 23 06:02:42 <notbryant> seems like it will just be for a handful of devices then
Jun 23 06:04:21 <Sonicadvance1> Singular device at this point in time actually
Jun 23 06:05:07 <Sonicadvance1> Until Samsung releases the Galaxy Note 3 with the Exynos 5420 anyway
Jun 23 06:39:36 <ProgramMax> so
Jun 23 06:39:38 <ProgramMax> I'm at home
Jun 23 06:39:49 <ProgramMax> ran the same code through proguard and it worked
Jun 23 06:39:52 <ProgramMax> but at work it failed
Jun 23 06:39:57 <ProgramMax> strange. *shrugs*
Jun 23 06:40:08 <ProgramMax> I didn't update to the latest version of Android Studio. Maybe that is it
Jun 23 07:12:02 <chsados> would this be a proper place to ask a question about advanced recovering of files on the android?
Jun 23 07:14:04 <chsados> my question if anyone would mind seeing if I have any hope.  I used pastebin since the question would be too long to post here   http://pastebin.com/8UDzpniC
Jun 23 07:22:53 <rops> chsados: grab the .db, get a sqllite viewer and take a look
Jun 23 07:23:57 <rops> also, there are apps that backup your text messages to your gmail acccount, fairly handy for the future
Jun 23 07:25:22 <rops> http://az4n6.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/finding-and-reverse-engineering-deleted_1865.html
Jun 23 08:37:08 <Unknown0BC> Hi, guys is there a site with android themes/styles ?
Jun 23 08:51:22 <notbryant> not that I know of...
Jun 23 09:12:46 <damccull_> Unknown0BC: http://android-ui-utils.googlecode.com/hg/asset-studio/dist/index.html
Jun 23 09:12:52 <damccull_> make your own holo theme, etc
Jun 23 09:13:11 <thepoosh> Hi all, is there a way to query the contacts and group by frequent and order by name_sorting value?
Jun 23 09:13:28 <thepoosh> I want to get name, and number
Jun 23 09:13:46 <dlaroche> i have a png that I would like to use for an activity background. What would be the best way to implement the background and have it scale properly between devices? Do I provide a drawable resource pre-scaled for each dpi or is there another trick that I am unaware of?
Jun 23 09:29:15 <thepoosh> anything?
Jun 23 09:29:50 <vvu> someone here who did usb programming, mainly bulk communication device->host ?
Jun 23 09:38:48 <StingRay_> thepoosh: course
Jun 23 09:38:55 <StingRay_> if you can query it
Jun 23 09:39:00 <StingRay_> and get data
Jun 23 09:39:08 <StingRay_> and that data you want exists
Jun 23 09:39:10 <thepoosh> well, I'm getting a bit mixed up with all the data
Jun 23 09:39:12 <StingRay_> then you can order it
Jun 23 09:39:18 <thepoosh> it's to abstract for me
Jun 23 09:39:19 <StingRay_> not sure what you question is
Jun 23 09:39:20 <thepoosh> I guess
Jun 23 09:39:21 <thepoosh> :S
Jun 23 09:40:16 <thepoosh> I'm trying to find the fastest way to query the phone to list contacts that have a phone number, group them by name and order by the frequency of contact
Jun 23 09:40:27 <thepoosh> does this make sence?
Jun 23 09:40:41 <StingRay_> unfortunate that there is a nice field with an api dep.
Jun 23 09:40:45 <StingRay_> hasphone
Jun 23 09:40:56 <StingRay_> think it's 3.0 up
Jun 23 09:41:13 <thepoosh> yeah, I need to support all the way down to 2.3
Jun 23 09:41:39 <StingRay_> then you would need to query data1 or something like that in common data  PHONE
Jun 23 09:41:43 <StingRay_> I think
Jun 23 09:41:46 <StingRay_> cant remember
Jun 23 09:41:56 <StingRay_> just got up and not enough coffee consumed yet
Jun 23 09:42:09 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Jun 23 09:44:56 <thepoosh> StingRay_: I used this code: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8986641/1056359
Jun 23 09:45:11 <thepoosh> but it didn't return all the contacts on my phone with a phone number
Jun 23 09:45:16 <thepoosh> so I'm a bit confused
Jun 23 09:45:43 <thepoosh> thinking on querying rawContacts and then querying each one for phone number and aggregating
Jun 23 09:45:51 <thepoosh> but it seems very un-efficient
Jun 23 09:45:54 <StingRay_> ya
Jun 23 09:46:02 <StingRay_> hang on looking
Jun 23 09:47:58 <StingRay_> that looks fine
Jun 23 09:48:11 <thepoosh> it didn't retrieve my wife's number
Jun 23 09:48:17 <thepoosh> and god knows it's there
Jun 23 09:48:18 <thepoosh> :)
Jun 23 09:48:26 <StingRay_> that should give you all entries with the key being the tel
Jun 23 09:48:31 <StingRay_> so multi people entires
Jun 23 09:48:38 <StingRay_> if they have more than one number
Jun 23 09:48:47 <thepoosh> so why didn't my wife come back from the query?
Jun 23 09:49:06 <StingRay_> no idea
Jun 23 09:49:12 <StingRay_> different account storage ?
Jun 23 09:49:17 <StingRay_> as in sync source ?
Jun 23 09:49:23 <thepoosh> could be she's on my Google account
Jun 23 09:49:30 <StingRay_> dont forget your contacts displayed can be many accounts
Jun 23 09:49:33 <thepoosh> and not on the device itself
Jun 23 09:49:45 <thepoosh> idk why this would happen
Jun 23 09:49:56 <StingRay_> facebook synced ?
Jun 23 09:50:02 <StingRay_> skype entry ?
Jun 23 09:50:02 <thepoosh> yes
Jun 23 09:50:05 <thepoosh> no
Jun 23 09:50:18 <StingRay_> facebook can cause some amazing things to happen
Jun 23 09:50:29 <StingRay_> their sync adapter causes me daily problems
Jun 23 09:50:31 <thepoosh> she has a Facebook account but it was synched after she was in the phone
Jun 23 09:50:38 <thepoosh> flipping facebook
Jun 23 09:50:50 <StingRay_> hmm, make sure the phone number is not in the fb part
Jun 23 09:50:56 <StingRay_> and in the google one instead
Jun 23 09:51:01 <thepoosh> no no
Jun 23 09:51:08 <thepoosh> she doesn't own a smartphone
Jun 23 09:51:18 <thepoosh> have you seen this question of mine: http://stackoverflow.com/q/17141955/1056359
Jun 23 09:51:19 <thepoosh> ?
Jun 23 09:51:27 <thepoosh> regarding facebook
Jun 23 09:51:47 <StingRay_> i now refuse to use anything fb
Jun 23 09:51:55 <thepoosh> nothing I can do
Jun 23 09:52:06 <thepoosh> I have a product manager that makes those decisions
Jun 23 09:52:08 <thepoosh> :S
Jun 23 09:52:31 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Jun 23 10:23:59 <omid8bimo> hey guys, does location discovery and geotagging requires the location sources be enabled or i can just detect wifi and use that?
Jun 23 10:25:24 <Darkchaos> per default any android device does not have a shell, right?
Jun 23 10:26:02 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, if you disable location sources in settings then wifi location provider won't work either
Jun 23 10:27:35 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: all right, so either GPS or network-based location service must be enabled so that discovery is possible?
Jun 23 10:27:52 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: and where does wifi comes in? only for geo tagging information?
Jun 23 10:28:01 <bankai_> Darkchaos: you can get shell access by default, if that's what you're asking
Jun 23 10:28:42 <Darkchaos> ADT said I should start a shell, so I wondered if there is adefault shell-application
Jun 23 10:29:18 <bankai_> 'adb shell' ?
Jun 23 10:29:37 <Darkchaos> yes adb uninstall ... (I uninstalled using App-Manager)
Jun 23 10:30:36 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, "network location service" IS wifi + towers
Jun 23 10:36:26 <p3sho> hi guys! is it possible to dynamically link with v8 on devices that come with v8? or do I absolutely have to compile and include the static lib of v8?
Jun 23 10:38:42 <StingRay_> p3sho: think your in the wrong channel. you on about compiling android ?
Jun 23 10:38:48 <StingRay_> or building an app ?
Jun 23 10:40:00 <p3sho> StingRay_: building an app that has javascript runtime
Jun 23 10:40:21 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 23 10:40:26 <p3sho> StingRay_: I need some more control than what webview offers, so I'd like to use v8 directly
Jun 23 10:40:45 <StingRay_> you doing a web app ?
Jun 23 10:40:58 <StingRay_> or a local html site as I like to call it :)
Jun 23 10:41:08 <p3sho> not really :)
Jun 23 10:41:36 <p3sho> it's a hybrid app that relies heavily on js
Jun 23 10:41:50 <p3sho> right now i'm using the webview to interpret the javascript code
Jun 23 10:42:14 <StingRay_> dunno, try phonegap or something
Jun 23 10:42:18 <p3sho> but interfacing with the native code is limited when doing that
Jun 23 10:42:27 <StingRay_> they are more webby
Jun 23 10:42:37 <StingRay_> and may have ideas
Jun 23 10:42:45 <p3sho> addJavascriptInterface only allows for basic types of arguments
Jun 23 10:42:54 <p3sho> of the functions
Jun 23 10:43:02 <p3sho> okay, thought I'd ask :)
Jun 23 10:43:16 <StingRay_> this is more "full" normal app dev I think
Jun 23 10:49:45 <Unknown0BC> Playing around with Android-dev using eclipse: When creating a project with a default fullscreen activity on the background you get a string "DUMMY CONTENT" I see that in the strings.xml file you can change this. But where is it specified that the fullscreen activity must use this string for the background ?
Jun 23 10:51:52 <StingRay_> what are the 2 things responsible "visually" for what you see in the default activity ?
Jun 23 10:52:41 <StingRay_> 1. the activity code && 2. ?????
Jun 23 10:52:42 <Unknown0BC> fund it.
Jun 23 10:52:47 <Unknown0BC> found*
Jun 23 10:52:49 <Unknown0BC> ty
Jun 23 10:52:55 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 10:56:36 <Darkchaos> is there a posibility of unlocking a canvas without pushing it's contents to the screen?
Jun 23 10:58:38 <mahmoud__> How to make an attribute like "android:textAppearance="?android:attr/textAppearanceListItemSmall"" work on 2.3?
Jun 23 10:59:38 <marrrk> Is SVG supported from 4.0 onwards?
Jun 23 11:01:15 <marrrk> In some vector format for a drawable.
Jun 23 11:02:48 <omid8bimo> im trying to separate the location discovery class from my main activity. i wanna have a method called getLocation in the location discovery class and instantiate this class in my main ui activity. with this description, can getLocation method return void or it shoudl return something?
Jun 23 11:09:29 <Quacked> anyone found a decent replacement for google reader yet?
Jun 23 11:09:37 <Quacked> I'm starting to panick
Jun 23 11:09:52 <Quacked> panic*
Jun 23 11:11:53 <marrrk> Just do something useful with your time instead.
Jun 23 11:15:52 <omid8bimo> when method gets called and back button pressed and user comes back to the activity?
Jun 23 11:15:55 <Mavrik> Quacked, there's bunch of stuff out there really
Jun 23 11:16:01 <Mavrik> Quacked, and that's not the right channel to ask ;(
Jun 23 11:16:08 <bluesm> android is the "main" class for android virtual machine ?
Jun 23 11:16:27 <omid8bimo> like when user went to system settings, and then presses the back button to return back to the activity before it?
Jun 23 11:16:28 <Mavrik> bluesm, uh, what?
Jun 23 11:16:39 <omid8bimo> *which method
Jun 23 11:16:58 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, just the onstart, onresume combo
Jun 23 11:17:06 <bluesm> Mavrik: I mean, they design API that everything comes from "android" class?
Jun 23 11:17:12 <bluesm> And everything other is the inner class ?
Jun 23 11:17:19 <Mavrik> bluesm, no, that would be silly :)
Jun 23 11:17:47 <bluesm> Mavrik: So what are the highest classes ?
Jun 23 11:17:51 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: thanks
Jun 23 11:18:09 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, what's your usecase?
Jun 23 11:19:07 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: i have an alertdialoug which takes the user to gps settings, to enable it, obviously when user enabled it, he/she will press the back button to return back to my app
Jun 23 11:19:39 <omid8bimo> so i need to retry the location discovery method to check for gps again
Jun 23 11:20:10 <Mavrik> ah, I see
Jun 23 11:20:22 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, the only guaranteed thing you get is the onResume
Jun 23 11:20:42 <Mavrik> everyhing else is dependant on situation. Also remember, your user may wander off from settings :)
Jun 23 11:22:03 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: true, i will stop the gps listening on onStop() if user did wander off :)
Jun 23 11:22:49 <Mavrik> omid8bimo, you should always disable all sensor listeners in onStop
Jun 23 11:23:25 <omid8bimo> Mavrik: yup; following the guidelines :)
Jun 23 11:26:58 <Quacked> Mavrik: I know, we just had a good conversation here regarding it some time ago :)
Jun 23 11:49:46 <tote> is there a best practice for how to structure an application with multiple types of login (g+, facebook, email etc)?
Jun 23 12:26:09 <StingRay_> 18 errors per minute with latest AS, no auto build, ugh, this has gone bad really quick
Jun 23 12:26:31 * StingRay_ thinks of eclipse *sigh
Jun 23 12:35:58 <cypha_foss> I've been having an issue with incorporating ActionBarSherlock into my project... I added it as a library, I changed the Activity and FragmentActivity to the corresponding ones, did the necessary imports, tested it and it works fine in android 3+ ... In android <3.0 it crashed because I hadn't set the sherlock theme... so I changed the /values/styles.xml to
Jun 23 12:35:59 <cypha_foss>     <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="@style/Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar">
Jun 23 12:36:11 <cypha_foss> instead of the previous android: ... one
Jun 23 12:36:31 <cypha_foss> it now crashed but with a NullPointerException from an ArrayAdapter in the abs project
Jun 23 12:36:40 <cypha_foss> what do i do wrong?
Jun 23 12:36:50 <cypha_foss> http://actionbarsherlock.com/theming.html i tried using the example here
Jun 23 12:37:26 <cypha_foss> but I get errors in the xml saying that the android:actionBarStyle needs a newer minimum api than v8
Jun 23 12:53:15 <AndrewEagle> Hello
Jun 23 12:55:30 <Walui> Hi ,I can't find how to make a small menu, like one with text only, not the huge stuff that takes all the screen width
Jun 23 12:56:57 <AndrewEagle> I just loaded .so library in my application (System.loadLibrary("mylib")). How to use functions from one?
Jun 23 12:58:21 <Walui> I don't even know how it is called
Jun 23 13:02:08 <StingRay_> Walui:
Jun 23 13:02:09 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ContextMenu.html
Jun 23 13:02:15 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html
Jun 23 13:02:22 <StingRay_> google is an AMAZING tool ;)
Jun 23 13:02:51 <Walui> It's not what I meant actually
Jun 23 13:03:10 <StingRay_> so you didnt mean a menu ?
Jun 23 13:03:14 <StingRay_> with items ?
Jun 23 13:03:21 <StingRay_> that does take the eintire screen ?
Jun 23 13:03:28 <StingRay_> sorry, must have missread
Jun 23 13:03:46 <Walui> Well I don't know how it's called, but it acts as a menu, but it's only text, one above the other
Jun 23 13:04:07 <sonOfRa> do you have a mockup you could share?
Jun 23 13:04:55 <Walui> kind of like in chrome when you press the menu button
Jun 23 13:06:05 <Walui> but in chrome there's button on top of it so I'm guessing it's a custom thing
Jun 23 13:06:24 <Walui> But it looks like what I'm looking for
Jun 23 13:06:53 <SimonVT> If only there was a way of showing exactly what it looks like
Jun 23 13:07:06 <StingRay_> so yeah, those two links
Jun 23 13:07:12 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 13:07:49 <Walui> I'm gonna try to take a screenshot
Jun 23 13:08:42 <Walui> Well actually you could just open the YouTube app
Jun 23 13:08:58 <Walui> I don't know if it's th same on every device
Jun 23 13:09:15 <Walui> but on mine it looks exactly how I which it looked on my app
Jun 23 13:09:24 <StingRay_> ok
Jun 23 13:09:31 <StingRay_> so those two links
Jun 23 13:09:41 <StingRay_> top search results in google
Jun 23 13:09:47 <StingRay_> "menu android"
Jun 23 13:09:52 <StingRay_> are what you want to read
Jun 23 13:10:01 <StingRay_> I dont know what you mean when you say thats not it
Jun 23 13:10:11 <Walui> I made a menu but it doesn't look like that at all
Jun 23 13:10:22 <Walui> It's blocks, side by side, with icons
Jun 23 13:11:09 <StingRay_> well thats your implementation then no ?
Jun 23 13:11:28 <StingRay_> as in a problem that you have with either using or understanding ?
Jun 23 13:11:54 <wizo> hey, I have an app that requires session management, I have managed to login using apache's httpclient, however I would like to ask what's the proper method of making this httpclient accessible from all my activities?
Jun 23 13:12:27 <Walui> StingRay_ : Didn't understand those two last sentences :/
Jun 23 13:15:20 <N3o> hi guys! any suggestions on what should I use in an activity to create polls?
Jun 23 13:16:05 <N3o> the 'workflow' would be somewhat interactive in the sense that the user should give the poll title, number of questions and then write the questions and the possible answers...
Jun 23 13:16:36 <N3o> using dialogs would drive the user nuts I guess...
Jun 23 13:17:29 <StingRay_> N3o: I have a form creator I designed
Jun 23 13:17:34 <StingRay_> for surveys etc
Jun 23 13:17:39 <wizo>  at the moment I am passing the session ID to different activities via the putExtras/getExtras method, just wondering if it can be simplified if i just passed the httpclient around
Jun 23 13:17:53 <StingRay_> I use everything available to make it easy and fast :)
Jun 23 13:17:58 <N3o> and what did you use in it?
Jun 23 13:17:59 <N3o> oh
Jun 23 13:18:05 <StingRay_> listViews
Jun 23 13:18:08 <StingRay_> customViews
Jun 23 13:18:20 <StingRay_> textViews, all views...
Jun 23 13:18:27 <N3o> :)
Jun 23 13:18:30 <N3o> I undestand
Jun 23 13:18:33 <StingRay_> you should design the backing data first
Jun 23 13:18:33 <N3o> will look into them
Jun 23 13:18:44 <N3o> backing data as the db?
Jun 23 13:18:49 <N3o> it is already designed
Jun 23 13:18:55 <N3o> as in*
Jun 23 13:18:57 <StingRay_> no
Jun 23 13:19:03 <StingRay_> mine is a form creator
Jun 23 13:19:09 <StingRay_> and survey sys
Jun 23 13:19:21 <StingRay_> so you have to be able to say, entity 1
Jun 23 13:19:24 <Walui> StingRay_ : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0-NEkt_yvnxYjJXdVFaRmVzNk0/edit?usp=sharing That's the kind of menu I mean
Jun 23 13:19:30 <StingRay_> is a text field
Jun 23 13:19:35 <StingRay_> or a multi choice
Jun 23 13:19:36 <StingRay_> etc
Jun 23 13:20:14 <N3o> I see
Jun 23 13:20:28 <gangam> Hi ,anyone here has experience with rom development ? I need to know if there is a way to include an app in the rom that will be an active device admin ( without the need for user acceptance )
Jun 23 13:21:09 <Walui> StingRay_ : That's not how a multichoice looks...
Jun 23 13:21:21 <Walui> neither does a text field
Jun 23 13:21:34 <StingRay_> what ?
Jun 23 13:21:58 <N3o> by the way, any suggestions on what should I use for charts/statistics? I will need to display the survey results / survey/question
Jun 23 13:21:59 <Walui> Sorry didn't read properly :/
Jun 23 13:22:15 <N3o> I've seen that there's chartdroid but looks kinda old and unmaintained
Jun 23 13:22:32 <StingRay_> Walui: you know those 2 top google serach results
Jun 23 13:22:34 <StingRay_> I linked you
Jun 23 13:22:46 <StingRay_> you should read them
Jun 23 13:23:04 <Walui> read it, it doesn't say how to make it look like this...
Jun 23 13:24:10 <Walui> It might be faster if you just told me how to do so...
Jun 23 13:24:13 <StingRay_> no, but the text in those links may help you
Jun 23 13:24:15 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 13:24:27 <Walui> It doesn't
Jun 23 13:24:38 <Walui> Trust me, I've been looking for like an hour now
Jun 23 13:25:05 <StingRay_> well unless you roll a custom menu system, all the info is in the docs
Jun 23 13:25:14 <StingRay_> if that doesn't help…. your in trouble
Jun 23 13:25:23 <StingRay_> or in need of doing your own
Jun 23 13:25:30 <Darkchaos> is there a posibility of unlocking a canvas without pushing it's contents to the screen?
Jun 23 13:25:32 <SimonVT> It's the overflow menu on devices ics+ devices with a menu button
Jun 23 13:25:42 <Walui> http://developer.android.com/images/options_menu.png : you see there's a difference between this menu and the one on my screenshot ?
Jun 23 13:26:04 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 23 13:26:09 <StingRay_> older version of android
Jun 23 13:26:12 <Walui> SimonVT : thanks, that's what I wanted
Jun 23 13:26:26 <SimonVT> It looks like your link on 2.x
Jun 23 13:27:14 <Walui> SimonVT : But it does on my ICS phone to, I need to force this overflow look
Jun 23 13:28:10 <wizo> Hm, I've googled a bit, some recommend the singleton method, some recommend subclassing the Application class to hold the httpclient, anyone know what's the proper method here?
Jun 23 13:28:13 <SimonVT> Set your targetsdk to a higher level
Jun 23 13:29:04 <Walui> SimonVT : so I'll need to make two apk if I still want people on 2.x to use it ?
Jun 23 13:29:14 <SimonVT> No, targetSdk
Jun 23 13:29:15 <SimonVT> Not minSdk
Jun 23 13:29:25 <Walui> targetSdk is at highest
Jun 23 13:29:31 <Walui> sorry misread
Jun 23 13:30:00 <Walui> (17)
Jun 23 13:30:36 <SimonVT> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html
Jun 23 13:30:38 <tomeo> All of a sudden ADT is not giving me the choice to launch to my phone. It just opens the AVD. What can I have done wrong?
Jun 23 13:31:46 <N3o> holy mother of XML!
Jun 23 13:31:51 * N3o sighs
Jun 23 14:36:19 <impedancee> Hi guys
Jun 23 14:37:08 <impedancee> What are you working on right now? D:
Jun 23 14:38:21 <vvu> some usb communication
Jun 23 14:38:30 <vvu> but failing miserably
Jun 23 14:38:53 <impedancee> What's going wrong?
Jun 23 14:39:37 <vvu> can`t receive data from the device, i have a linux port with libusb and eveything goes ok
Jun 23 14:39:51 <vvu> but with the android api i can open the device but no luck getting data from it
Jun 23 14:40:17 <impedancee> permission issues?
Jun 23 14:40:46 <vvu> nop, did a device_filter with vendorID and productID and automatically when i connect the device my app opens with permissions and everything
Jun 23 14:41:16 <impedancee> vvu: I see
Jun 23 14:41:25 <vvu> https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BeagleDroid/blob/master/BeagleDroid/src/main/java/com/vvu/beagledroid/MainActivity.java
Jun 23 14:46:26 <N3o> I still can't figure out how could I model the UI for inserting a new poll in the database
Jun 23 14:47:04 <N3o> the user would have to set the poll title, number of questions, actual question text and question answers
Jun 23 14:47:15 <StingRay_> N3o: thats a statement
Jun 23 14:47:23 <StingRay_> well, a set of statments
Jun 23 14:48:30 <N3o> I will use REST for this, I've already implemented the asyncHttpClient which will do this with JSON and all
Jun 23 14:48:42 <N3o> the problem for me is the stuff 'above', the UI
Jun 23 14:49:37 <StingRay_> cool, but thats still 2 more statments. just so you know that it's hard to answer ….erm…… statements
Jun 23 14:49:39 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 14:49:39 <N3o> I've looked over some custom views example, those will be useful for listing all the available polls and questions
Jun 23 14:50:37 <Unknown0BC> How do I get more info and specifics about this: @android:drawable/btn_default_holo_light
Jun 23 14:50:38 <N3o> ok, questions then: what would you use to design an UI for the above mentioned workflow? any examples somewhere?
Jun 23 14:51:51 <StingRay_> me personally ?
Jun 23 14:52:07 <StingRay_> 1st a pen and some paper, to do the data struct and flow
Jun 23 14:52:31 <StingRay_> then another bit of paper to jot some ui composite view ideas
Jun 23 14:52:39 <StingRay_> then implement it
Jun 23 15:03:46 <impedancee> StingRay_: Best way of designing a UI, and an app in general
Jun 23 15:04:56 <StingRay_> yeah, I missed R&D the list of unknowns, learning, eclipse pissing you off, switching to AndroidStudio, AS pissing you off, starting to smoke again!
Jun 23 15:05:47 <N3o> IntelliJ Idea works better for me, snappier
Jun 23 15:05:50 <N3o> :)
Jun 23 15:06:01 <belgianguy> anyone ever used the YouTubePlayerApi ?
Jun 23 15:06:15 <N3o> Eclipse was dragging the whole system
Jun 23 15:06:17 <belgianguy> I'm using it, but the function player.seekToMillis(55000); doesn't do anything
Jun 23 15:07:20 <belgianguy> eg I want to start the video at a specific time, so right after I cue it, I want to jump ahead to the correct point
Jun 23 15:07:35 <belgianguy> but it just starts at the beginning each time
Jun 23 15:11:06 <aleb> I have this code try{ x(); } catch(java.lang.OutOfMemoryError e) {}, and even so, the app crashes because an OOME is thrown instead of being catched there. I was not able to reproduce it, but I get errors from users with the specific app version and a relevant stacktrace. Any idea how this is possible?
Jun 23 15:13:29 <StingRay_> not sure catching an OOME is gonna create more memory and prevent it from being killed
Jun 23 15:13:31 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 15:13:41 <Unknown0BC> Is this some kind of standard drawable thing or what : @android:drawable/btn_default_holo_light , beacuse I cant find it in the xml files
Jun 23 15:14:20 <StingRay_> Unknown0BC: yes
Jun 23 15:14:43 <StingRay_> you can tell cause of the namespace
Jun 23 15:14:56 <Unknown0BC> StingRay_, so I cant just edit it to customize ?
Jun 23 15:14:58 <StingRay_> """android""":drawable/*
Jun 23 15:15:20 <StingRay_> no
Jun 23 15:16:33 <aleb> StingRay_, when a Throwable terminates the app, there is a app handler which logs the stacktrace and asks the user to send me an email. The stacktrace shows that the OOME is thrown in x()..
Jun 23 15:18:04 <StingRay_> what are you doing in x() that is sooo…..huge ?
Jun 23 15:18:36 <aleb> reading data from a DB
Jun 23 15:18:47 <aleb> and storing it in a list
Jun 23 15:19:09 <StingRay_> must be lots of data
Jun 23 15:19:10 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 15:20:06 <aleb> it only happens on old devices, but still.. anything that could cause a catch() to fail?
Jun 23 15:20:24 <StingRay_> the catch() isnt failing though is it ?
Jun 23 15:20:32 <StingRay_> how do you know it is ?
Jun 23 15:20:57 <N3o> if OOME is behaving like the oom_killer in the kernel it will terminate the latest 'process' let's say which tries to get some memory and there's none available, it will not kill the 'process' which actually created the out of memory situation
Jun 23 15:23:30 <aleb> If the catch is working correct, I should not get stacktraces with x() in them. I use a Thread.setDefaultUncaughtExceptionHandler(crashReporter); BTW
Jun 23 15:24:44 <StingRay_> you mean it should bypass the OOME ?
Jun 23 15:24:59 <aleb> the OOME should be catched and ignored, no?
Jun 23 15:25:19 <StingRay_> what ?
Jun 23 15:25:35 <aleb> try{ x(); } catch(java.lang.OutOfMemoryError e) { /* ignore */ }
Jun 23 15:26:10 <StingRay_> more like  replace  /* ignore   with    "omg, need to save some stuff cause this shit is going down"
Jun 23 15:27:05 <aleb> that's not the point. It can be simply ignored, the base functionality of the app remains.
Jun 23 15:27:15 <StingRay_> erm
Jun 23 15:27:38 <StingRay_> OOME means that you have requested (or the VM has) an amount of memory that cannot be filled
Jun 23 15:27:59 <StingRay_> catching that is not going to suddenly produce more hardwired physical memory
Jun 23 15:28:18 <StingRay_> it means the system is maxed, something needs to happen for things to still function
Jun 23 15:28:25 <StingRay_> so it going to kill things
Jun 23 15:29:52 <aleb> well all that memory was taken by the objects in the List I was building, but that should be claimed by the garbage collector. I'm not worried about that.
Jun 23 15:30:57 <aleb> The problem is that the OOME reaches the "uncaught exception handler", this should never happen. Why does it happen?
Jun 23 15:31:29 <StingRay_> that I cannot answer
Jun 23 15:31:35 <StingRay_> you need a programmer for that one
Jun 23 15:31:36 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 15:32:07 <StingRay_> oh and btw that was not sarcasm !!!!
Jun 23 15:32:12 <aleb> what are you? :)
Jun 23 15:32:23 <StingRay_> a vfx artist
Jun 23 15:32:31 <StingRay_> well 3D Tech Director
Jun 23 15:32:36 <StingRay_> if I had to label myself
Jun 23 15:32:45 <Leeds> 3dfx?
Jun 23 15:32:46 <StingRay_> and authorised Autodesk instructor
Jun 23 15:32:48 <StingRay_> ;)
Jun 23 15:33:22 <Leeds> I remember 3dfx... a passthrough cable so it could overlay 3d on the vga signal
Jun 23 15:33:31 <Ankhwatcher> Is anyone familiar with Visual Studio? Is there a way to get some sort of explaination of what functions do to appear?
Jun 23 15:33:51 <Ankhwatcher> I'm really used to the mouse-over tooltips in Eclipse and AS
Jun 23 15:34:58 <Ankhwatcher> (I'm trying to get started building stuff for the Agent Watch: http://www.agentwatches.com/#tools)
Jun 23 15:38:10 <StingRay_> what sort of drawable object respects the bounds set by .setBounds when within a larger layerDrawable ?
Jun 23 15:39:59 <StingRay_> ok new question, I need a layer of a layer Drawable to be of fixed height, how would I do this
Jun 23 15:40:02 <StingRay_> ?
Jun 23 15:41:09 <Andr_help> I am trying to insert Image in a ListView in Runtime , I have a image_row.xml and sms_row.xml , when user insert image i want to inflate the listview with image_row.xml and when user type a message i want to inflate the image_row.xml , please guide me i am new in android ?
Jun 23 15:41:51 <StingRay_> Andr_help: look up   getType() on the adapter
Jun 23 15:42:01 <Andr_help> i have gettype
Jun 23 15:42:10 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 23 15:42:15 <StingRay_> well thats how you do it
Jun 23 15:42:24 <Andr_help> getItemViewType()
Jun 23 15:42:31 <StingRay_> ya
Jun 23 15:42:44 <Andr_help> My arraylist is defined with ArrayList<message>
Jun 23 15:42:53 <Andr_help> where message is a custom class i have made
Jun 23 15:43:18 <Andr_help> public class Message { 	/** 	 * The content of the message 	 */ 	String message; 	/** 	 * boolean to determine, who is sender of this message 	 */ 	boolean isMine; 	/** 	 * boolean to determine, whether the message is a status message or not. 	 * it reflects the changes/updates about the sender is writing, have entered text etc 	 */ 	boolean isStatusMessage; 	 	/** 	 * Constructor to make a Message object 	 */ 	public Message
Jun 23 15:43:26 <Andr_help> this is my Message class
Jun 23 15:43:33 <Andr_help> what should i do here ?
Jun 23 15:43:46 <Andr_help> I am new in Freenode  too
Jun 23 15:44:23 <StingRay_> I now have no idea what your asking
Jun 23 15:44:45 <StingRay_> although it sounds like your wanting 1 to 1  tutorial/training on doing your app ?
Jun 23 15:44:47 <impedancee> Bye guys
Jun 23 15:45:11 <Andr_help> no i just want a guidance
Jun 23 15:45:21 <StingRay_> no you dont
Jun 23 15:45:32 <StingRay_> ask simple questions and get answers then
Jun 23 15:45:43 <Andr_help> ok
Jun 23 15:45:44 <Andr_help> Sorry
Jun 23 15:45:46 <StingRay_> from how I'm reading it your asking how to write your app
Jun 23 15:45:50 <StingRay_> could be wrong
Jun 23 15:45:55 <StingRay_> but reads that way
Jun 23 15:45:58 <pragma-> 毇
Jun 23 15:46:00 <pragma-> you're!
Jun 23 15:46:11 <StingRay_> where are you from ???
Jun 23 15:46:13 <StingRay_> really ?
Jun 23 15:46:37 <Andr_help> I am from India
Jun 23 15:46:37 <SimonVT> Yeah really, you're
Jun 23 15:46:59 <StingRay_> oh leave me alone
Jun 23 15:47:04 <StingRay_> I'm English
Jun 23 15:47:15 <StingRay_> like I said, if anyone has the right to butcher it
Jun 23 15:47:15 <Leeds> no sex please...
Jun 23 15:47:25 <defuera> hey guys, anybody knows to work with new twitter api? I need to get stream without making user to sign in, do u know if it possible? I registred my app on dev.twitter and got all the stuff like Consumer key and Consumer secret..
Jun 23 15:47:41 <Andr_help> @StingRay_ are you saying to me ?
Jun 23 15:47:48 <StingRay_> Andr_help: no
Jun 23 15:47:59 <Andr_help> ok :p
Jun 23 15:48:18 <StingRay_> correcting me with you're… is like correcting short symbolic things like brb, or seeya or… well
Jun 23 15:48:21 <StingRay_> list goes on
Jun 23 15:48:36 <pragma-> no.  no, it's not.
Jun 23 15:48:48 <StingRay_> yes tis
Jun 23 15:48:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 15:49:51 <defuera> well.. anybody?
Jun 23 15:50:06 <pragma-> StingRay_: "'tis"
Jun 23 15:50:28 <StingRay_> it is
Jun 23 15:50:43 <pragma-> yes, the apostrophe is part of the spelling/grammar of it.
Jun 23 15:50:52 <pragma-> 'tis = it is; tis = herp derp
Jun 23 15:51:49 <StingRay_> ugh… pragma- yo………. you are annoying
Jun 23 15:51:53 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 15:52:10 <pragma-> an ellipsis has three and only three periods.
Jun 23 15:52:13 <kakazza> Elipsis look pretty meh with a monospace font.
Jun 23 15:52:16 <brx_> defuera, "The Streaming API now requires OAuth 1.0A"
Jun 23 15:52:51 <StingRay_> pragma-: your kidding rite ?
Jun 23 15:53:00 <pragma-> left.
Jun 23 15:53:41 <pragma-> If I were kidding, I'd say "A duck walks into a kitchen.  It was shooed out because it's unsanitary to have ducks in an area where food is prepared."
Jun 23 15:53:56 <SimonVT> If you're making a twitter app, you're gonna have a bad time
Jun 23 15:53:59 <pragma-> ... unless you're preparing the duck.
Jun 23 15:54:15 <StingRay_> Question : any way to limit the height of a layerDrawable layer ?
Jun 23 15:54:35 <brx_> SimonVT, whys that?
Jun 23 15:56:18 <SimonVT> Because twitter hates developers and is slowly making their API worse in an attempt to get users to use the official client
Jun 23 15:56:32 <brx_> ahh i see
Jun 23 15:56:47 <Leeds> because twitter likes advertising money and hates the idea of anyone else making money off 'their' data
Jun 23 15:56:47 <defuera> brx, well i know it, but if it's nessesary to user to log in to view public stream, Or i can just register my app and get access to it using Consumer key and Consumer secret?
Jun 23 15:57:06 <brx_> well ye, last week i was creating something using twitter4j, happily i was working ayway and then they ended support for the old REST, but once i updated the twitter4j i was happy again
Jun 23 15:57:20 <brx_> took me 5 hours+ to realize wth had happened like, but hey
Jun 23 15:57:54 <SimonVT> Leeds: Their advertisements just show up in the stream tho, they'd still be making money
Jun 23 15:58:08 <Leeds> SimonVT: pretty sure I'm not seeing them in Plume
Jun 23 15:58:52 <defuera> mm, still.. if user is obligated to sight in? any chanse I can get that json file from PC https://stream.twitter.com/1/statuses/sample.json? What am I using for user-pass ?
Jun 23 15:59:22 <defuera> *can I get ... I mean
Jun 23 15:59:54 <pragma-> "any chance I can get" is correct.
Jun 23 16:00:01 <pragma-> "any chance can I get" is wrong.
Jun 23 16:00:26 <brx_> only in a queens english sense, analytically they both actually make sense
Jun 23 16:00:48 * pragma- authority!
Jun 23 16:01:12 <defuera> brx_, just don't pay him an attention
Jun 23 16:01:25 <brx_> grammar isnt actually that important when it comes to defining reality, its how we use the words that matters, thats my opinion anyway
Jun 23 16:01:31 <pragma-> I deserve more than just one attention.
Jun 23 16:01:38 <SimonVT> Leeds: Eh, I guess you're right.. Well, they COULD just make them show up in the stream
Jun 23 16:01:40 <pragma-> You should pay me at less two attentions.
Jun 23 16:01:43 <SimonVT> It's just featured tweets
Jun 23 16:01:45 <brx_> :D
Jun 23 16:01:46 <pragma-> at least
Jun 23 16:03:25 <SimonVT> Instead of imposing limits like max 100k users
Jun 23 16:03:29 <pragma-> brx_: "help your uncle jack off a donkey"
Jun 23 16:03:41 <brx_> i know i get ya lol
Jun 23 16:03:53 <brx_> i suppose on irc its much more important
Jun 23 16:04:12 <belgianguy> But is that grammar, or punctuation?
Jun 23 16:04:29 <brx_> cuz theres no medium for 'gesture'
Jun 23 16:04:32 <belgianguy> and capitalisation
Jun 23 16:04:46 <Leeds> SimonVT: I guess they've got plans beyond featured tweets in the stream which rely on people using their app
Jun 23 16:06:04 <belgianguy> argh, seems there's an overloaded function to cue videos at a certain seektime
Jun 23 16:06:08 <belgianguy> dammit
Jun 23 16:06:12 <pragma-> class assignment:  add punctuation to "a woman without her man is nothing" -- males: "a woman, without her man, is nothing"; females: "a woman -- without her, man is nothing."
Jun 23 16:07:28 <Leeds> "a woman without; her man is nothing"
Jun 23 16:08:29 <Ankhwatcher> who's Herman?
Jun 23 16:10:31 <pragma-> "Surely you jest."  "Don't call me Shirley!"
Jun 23 16:10:31 <belgianguy> Ankhwatcher: that guy who gets all the women
Jun 23 16:11:10 <Ankhwatcher> "Surely you can't be serious!" "I am serious, and don't call me Shirly"
Jun 23 16:11:31 <Ankhwatcher> pragma-: Aeroplane references are serious biz
Jun 23 16:11:38 <belgianguy> A hospital? What is it?
Jun 23 16:11:38 <Ankhwatcher> ;-p
Jun 23 16:11:52 <Ankhwatcher> It's a big building with patients in it, but that's not important right now
Jun 23 16:11:58 <belgianguy> ;)
Jun 23 16:12:03 <elegos> I'd like to let a ListView stay between a button and a TextView in a RelativeLayout, but I must be doing something wrong as I can't see it in the view visual editor... may you please help me? http://pastebin.com/JzdAjSjc
Jun 23 16:12:54 <pragma-> "You got a letter from headquarters this morning."   "What is it?"  "It's a big building where generals meet, but that's not important."
Jun 23 16:14:06 <SimonVT> elegos, use a linearlayout and weight
Jun 23 16:15:41 <elegos> SimonVT: can't I use a relative layout? btw weight is in %, I personally don't like it
Jun 23 16:15:54 <elegos> (I use it for other things like a central separator)
Jun 23 16:21:04 <SimonVT> Eh, it's not exactly in %
Jun 23 16:21:59 <SimonVT> It distributes leftover space between all views with a weight.. So I guess you can say it's a percentage of the leftover space.. Where 100% is the sum of all weights
Jun 23 16:22:46 <elegos> SimonVT: yep, you could use even from 0 to 1
Jun 23 16:22:49 <elegos> it's relative
Jun 23 16:22:56 <elegos> it may be 0 to 1.2357
Jun 23 16:23:13 <elegos> but --- isn't there a way to do that in RelativeLayout?
Jun 23 16:23:58 <SimonVT> I know how weight works, wasn't sure you did based on "btw weight is in %"
Jun 23 16:26:21 <SimonVT> Weight can also make views smaller
Jun 23 16:40:38 <elegos> how could I create a parallelogram button in XML?
Jun 23 17:38:27 <elegos> how can I prevent the layout to require the focus on the first text field? I've took the request tag out, but still it continues...
Jun 23 17:46:20 <Mavrik> um, does anyone know if asynctask keeps running after activity onStop has been called?
Jun 23 17:48:22 <damccull> as someone who has never unit tested aything ever because i don't know how, should I take time out from developing my app to learn how, or just continue development as I always have?
Jun 23 17:49:20 <multi_io> is it true that the new build system specifically requires Gradle 1.6, i.e. it rejects Gradle 1.7 or newer?
Jun 23 17:50:39 <multi_io> "> Gradle version 1.6 is required. Current version is 1.7-20130502185841+0000"
Jun 23 17:50:53 <multi_io> (I'm using a custom-built Gradle 1.7)
Jun 23 17:52:13 <damccull> multi_io: try it and see?
Jun 23 17:52:14 <aleb> Mavrik, it keeps running
Jun 23 18:16:10 <Bleeptech> Does Eclipse barf if you have uppercase filenames in /src ?
Jun 23 18:17:43 <kakazza> No
Jun 23 18:18:15 * Bleeptech is neck deep in R cannot be resolved to a variable errors.
Jun 23 18:29:44 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: you mean the single error of it not generating ?
Jun 23 18:31:47 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Nope.. Got 22 of the little perishers..      Everywhere I referenced R..   btnUpload = (Button) findViewById(R.id.upload);
Jun 23 18:32:13 <StingRay_> what are the errors ?
Jun 23 18:32:31 <Bleeptech> R cannot be resolved..
Jun 23 18:32:58 <Bleeptech> Looked for 'android.R' import screwing things up already.
Jun 23 18:34:16 <StingRay_> oh you mean your error is you imported the wrong R ?
Jun 23 18:35:20 <Bleeptech> Googled like mad.. cleaned, closed, lather, rinse, repeat..
Jun 23 18:36:03 <Bleeptech> Still got errors everywhere I referenced R..
Jun 23 18:36:13 <StingRay_> well thats just 1 error
Jun 23 18:36:20 <StingRay_> your importing the wrong R
Jun 23 18:36:55 <StingRay_> or…alternative… it's just 1 error, the project R is not generated
Jun 23 18:38:45 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: I think that's it.. I tried a refactor/rename and that's what broke it.
Jun 23 18:42:57 <Tronflowers> I get showstopping r cannot be resolved errors
Jun 23 18:43:09 * Bleeptech runs outside for a cig to clear his head before starting over..
Jun 23 18:43:21 <Tronflowers> Bleeptech!
Jun 23 18:43:35 <Tronflowers> Don't waste time on it
Jun 23 18:44:15 <Tronflowers> use maven to build (blergh) on command line or just download intellij or the old android studio(the eclipse one)
Jun 23 18:44:18 <Da_Rhyno> Hi all, does anyone here have the book Beginning Android Games by Mario Zechner?
Jun 23 18:45:55 <damccull> Bleeptech: i used to have a problem with eclipse where clean wouldn't really clean the output directories.
Jun 23 18:46:09 <damccull> Bleeptech: try to manually delete the output directories and then run a clean and rebuild
Jun 23 18:46:35 <Da_Rhyno> I'm at chapter 5, and it mentions using interfaces laid out in chapter 3. My question is are the interfaces and the code in this chapter all supposed to be part of the same project or no?
Jun 23 18:46:44 <Da_Rhyno> (Or does it not matter?)
Jun 23 18:46:48 <defuera> hey, anybody can help with getting twitter strem json file using application-only auth?
Jun 23 18:47:25 <defuera> *stream
Jun 23 18:57:02 <Bleeptech> Tronflowers: The android studio I have is the intellij based one.. And it's giving me gradle API version errors.
Jun 23 18:57:48 <spobat> are there more than one android studio? o_o
Jun 23 18:58:10 <StingRay_> no just 1 :)
Jun 23 18:58:35 <StingRay_> there are versions of that one, 0.1.6 being a fkup!
Jun 23 18:58:37 <spobat> SO WHAT!
Jun 23 18:58:39 <spobat> Sp
Jun 23 18:58:41 <spobat> :p
Jun 23 18:58:45 <Bleeptech> damccull: I already tried a 'rm ./gen/*' and it solved nothing.
Jun 23 18:59:26 <damccull> Bleeptech: remove your bin folder too
Jun 23 18:59:36 <spobat> grandle?
Jun 23 18:59:38 <damccull> Bleeptech: other than that I'm out of ideas :D
Jun 23 18:59:55 <spobat> ah, nvm
Jun 23 19:02:39 <Tronflowers> Bleeptech, sorry went out for a cig break myself :D
Jun 23 19:03:07 <Tronflowers> is the gradle based android studio giving you the r cannot be resolved errors?
Jun 23 19:03:41 <Bleeptech> damccull: deleted bin, cleaned, restarted, cleaned, 22 R. cannot be resoled errors..
Jun 23 19:03:47 <Bleeptech> Tronflowers:
Jun 23 19:04:18 <damccull> Bleeptech: ensure no android.R?
Jun 23 19:04:22 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: do you have R,java generated ?
Jun 23 19:04:43 <Tronflowers> does building using mvn work?
Jun 23 19:04:58 <Bleeptech> Tronflowers: Eclipse is giving me the error, AS is giving me a gradle version mismatch.
Jun 23 19:05:21 <Zaknafein> I'll need to start using a web framework for my android app in order to use webservices. atm i'm doing php from scratch which isn't really scalable. I started looking into Spring and Play. What framework is recommended for someone whose never used a java framework before?
Jun 23 19:05:37 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Nope.. No R.java.
Jun 23 19:05:47 <StingRay_> then it's 1 error
Jun 23 19:05:52 <StingRay_> "one"
Jun 23 19:06:04 <Bleeptech> damccull:  Nope.. No android.R.
Jun 23 19:06:13 <StingRay_> possabilites are : xml syntax error
Jun 23 19:06:25 <StingRay_> filename error (invalid char)
Jun 23 19:06:31 <Bleeptech> It happened after a rename in Eclipse..
Jun 23 19:06:51 <StingRay_> some visual ref to lib that has visual view
Jun 23 19:06:52 <Tronflowers> did you use the refactor->rename utility in eclipse
Jun 23 19:07:16 <Bleeptech> Tronflowers: Yep.. I think that was my foobar..
Jun 23 19:07:21 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: what did you rename …. also that may not be the cause
Jun 23 19:07:39 <StingRay_> the cause may have been there, but R was not regenerated to show it
Jun 23 19:07:40 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Project rename
Jun 23 19:08:43 <Bleeptech> Grepped through the whole workspace for references to the old name and found none.
Jun 23 19:09:14 <StingRay_> read my last sentence
Jun 23 19:09:20 <StingRay_> cause had that a few times
Jun 23 19:14:27 <viran> Hello, I have a dialog fragment, I want that a click on some option in that dialog would trigger a slide effect and change the content of the dialog fragment to a different set of options
Jun 23 19:14:31 <viran> Is that possible?
Jun 23 19:17:17 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Maybe I'm just stupid this morning, but I'm just not getting it.
Jun 23 19:17:42 <StingRay_> you dont have lots of problems to solve is my point
Jun 23 19:17:56 <StingRay_> you have 1 and it's quite a frequent one
Jun 23 19:18:19 <StingRay_> something is stopping R from generating
Jun 23 19:18:47 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Well throw me some more hints and maybe I can trade thm for a clue.. LOL..
Jun 23 19:18:52 <viran> a dialog fragment can have tabs?
Jun 23 19:19:47 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: already said
Jun 23 19:19:56 <damccull> what's best practices for signing keys. One key per app or one key for every app?
Jun 23 19:19:58 <StingRay_> viran: can have anything
Jun 23 19:21:31 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: All I can think of is a typo somewhere.. And I've been chasing it so long I can't see it..
Jun 23 19:23:02 <StingRay_> Bleeptech: what ide you in ?
Jun 23 19:23:50 <Bleeptech> I'm back in eclipse since android studio didn't want to run.
Jun 23 19:24:11 <StingRay_> new project
Jun 23 19:24:17 <StingRay_> build and run
Jun 23 19:24:26 <StingRay_> all fine, copy all xml from res
Jun 23 19:24:31 <StingRay_> build and run
Jun 23 19:24:42 <StingRay_> fails, take shit out and run
Jun 23 19:24:55 <StingRay_> repeat till you eliminate the prob
Jun 23 19:24:57 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 19:28:21 <g00s> are those the eclipse instructions ?
Jun 23 19:28:39 <g00s> i'm just using plain gradle now
Jun 23 19:29:31 <g00s> i have my aars going to a local flatDir repo
Jun 23 19:29:37 <g00s> \o/
Jun 23 19:29:52 <g00s> maybe all this stuff will work by the time of the next i/o
Jun 23 19:33:48 <Bleeptech> StingRay_: Well that answers that... New Project.. {whistle} {SPLAT!}
Jun 23 19:34:15 <Bleeptech> Eclipse is borked and not my flippen code...
Jun 23 19:34:33 <StingRay_> glad your on track to narrowing it
Jun 23 19:34:35 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 19:34:44 <Bleeptech> No wonder I can't get crap to work...
Jun 23 19:35:10 <StingRay_> OS?
Jun 23 19:35:27 <Bleeptech> Fedora 17.. I was working last week..
Jun 23 19:35:34 <Bleeptech> s/I/It
Jun 23 19:35:43 <StingRay_> java update ?
Jun 23 19:36:18 <StingRay_> there are some xml parse settings in eclipse that I have had to play with sometimes
Jun 23 19:36:22 <StingRay_> cant remember why
Jun 23 19:36:39 <StingRay_> to do with the way it evaluates android xml namespace
Jun 23 19:36:43 <StingRay_> iirc
Jun 23 19:39:35 <androider> Please help me in finding this , findViewById(R.id.something) where something is not in the main activity xml , but it is in another xml
Jun 23 19:40:57 <androider> Please help !
Jun 23 19:43:46 <androider> where to find an id of an element if it is not in the main activity , but in another xml file
Jun 23 19:43:59 <androider> sorry how to find that id ?
Jun 23 19:45:00 <StingRay_> why would you want to find it ?
Jun 23 19:45:12 <StingRay_> and find it how ?
Jun 23 19:45:22 <StingRay_> R.id.something is an int
Jun 23 19:45:28 <StingRay_> so you already have the value
Jun 23 19:48:28 <damccull> If i have a class with some properties that don't do anything other than store and retrieve data, should I still use accessor methods for them or can i just make them public?
Jun 23 20:01:20 <BustyLoli-Chan> android fragments piss me off
Jun 23 20:03:45 <Bleeptech> BustyLoli-Chan: Fragments of Android device sounds like you're more than pissed.. LOL..
Jun 23 20:05:52 <g00s> i think gradle has a longer learning curve than maven
Jun 23 20:07:07 <BustyLoli-Chan> I've been screwing around with these stupid tabs/fragments/view pagers for like a month...
Jun 23 20:08:04 <BustyLoli-Chan> This is the largest most retarded hiccup in my entire design process... if these stupid things would just work properly I'd have this app done by now... and yet no matter what I try, or what I google, or where I go for answers, I just end up with the same retarded result
Jun 23 20:08:16 <BustyLoli-Chan> shitsbroke.jpg
Jun 23 20:08:17 <Bleeptech> ROFL.. I've been chasing an error for 3 days that turned out to be Eclipse has taken a crap..
Jun 23 20:08:58 <StingRay_> BustyLoli-Chan: whats the prob
Jun 23 20:09:05 <StingRay_> fragments work
Jun 23 20:09:14 <StingRay_> and quite a nice idea
Jun 23 20:09:25 <BustyLoli-Chan> When you nest them, things get retarded and don't work so well
Jun 23 20:09:26 <StingRay_> cant imagine actually doing anything without using them now
Jun 23 20:11:09 <BustyLoli-Chan> I have two swipe-able tab hosts, one inside of the other, and people have told me this is a bad design, but I don't give a fuck. This is the design I want and the one I'm using and I shouldn't have to change it because the retarded API wants to make it damn near impossible to implement
Jun 23 20:11:38 <StingRay_> errr
Jun 23 20:11:44 <BustyLoli-Chan> all I want to do is to add a new fragment/page to the child tabhost/viewpager/FragmentPagerAdapter
Jun 23 20:12:39 <BustyLoli-Chan> but when I do, onCreateView is never called for that child fragment, and I'm left with a view that is the parent tab host... child tab selector and no actual view of what the fragment should be
Jun 23 20:12:44 <StingRay_> warning bells sound at "people have told me this is a bad design, but I don't give a fuck"
Jun 23 20:13:18 <BustyLoli-Chan> Because I'm sick of people saying "OH HOH HOH WELL YOU SHOULDN"T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S BAD"
Jun 23 20:13:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> fuck you, you're "bad"
Jun 23 20:13:51 <BustyLoli-Chan> it's my design it's what I want, and there's no reason it shouldn't be achievable
Jun 23 20:14:09 <StingRay_> there isnt any reason why that is not possible
Jun 23 20:14:17 <StingRay_> write your own views, controllers and adapters
Jun 23 20:14:22 <StingRay_> sure it will work then
Jun 23 20:15:16 <StingRay_> but if using pre-built ones, not sure there is room for complaint when you do things that are bad/no supported
Jun 23 20:15:19 <StingRay_> and it breaks
Jun 23 20:15:41 <StingRay_> btw, that wasn't sarcasm either
Jun 23 20:15:49 <StingRay_> I've done that with menus and actionbar
Jun 23 20:15:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 20:16:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> I've created my own classes that extend the parent class
Jun 23 20:16:36 <BustyLoli-Chan> and I still can't get it to work
Jun 23 20:17:06 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm basically following this http://thepseudocoder.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/android-tabs-viewpager-swipe-able-tabs-ftw/ and trying to nest one of these inside the other
Jun 23 20:17:47 <StingRay_> how would the motion even propergate to the correct view ?
Jun 23 20:18:05 <StingRay_> well how would i swipe top level ?
Jun 23 20:18:48 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't know, that's not what I'm concerned about yet
Jun 23 20:19:03 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm just concerned with getting the view that the nested tab should be showing to actually show
Jun 23 20:19:17 <StingRay_> erm, thats something you should maybe think about and design before implementation
Jun 23 20:19:27 <StingRay_> cause it just plain "may not work" for the user or yourself
Jun 23 20:20:43 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://i.imgur.com/x9czrjX.png this is my concern right now
Jun 23 20:20:44 <SimonVT> StingRay_, what do you mean? re. motion
Jun 23 20:20:52 <StingRay_> swipe
Jun 23 20:21:05 <StingRay_> dont you get a motion event that is … a swipe?
Jun 23 20:21:59 <SimonVT> You get a down event, and then a bunch of move events
Jun 23 20:22:15 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://pastebin.com/MraVwFn3 this is my code for the child tab host
Jun 23 20:22:22 <StingRay_> well my point is with 2 nested like he wants, how would that work ?
Jun 23 20:22:23 <BustyLoli-Chan> the main tabhost works fine
Jun 23 20:22:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> it shows everything I need it too
Jun 23 20:22:43 <StingRay_> I dont see how it could work
Jun 23 20:23:01 <StingRay_> you would have to relagate the top tabs to buttons
Jun 23 20:23:13 <StingRay_> then you wouldn't need nested mess
Jun 23 20:23:25 <Quacked> Anyone knows of an ad network that can open sms app on click? Looks like admob only allows URLs
Jun 23 20:24:07 <SimonVT> Oh, thought you were doing touch event stuff.. carry on
Jun 23 20:24:29 <BustyLoli-Chan> what do you mean relegate?
Jun 23 20:27:49 <BustyLoli-Chan> the swipe event only applies to the top level tabhost/viewpager
Jun 23 20:28:12 <BustyLoli-Chan> onclick events still pass through to the child
Jun 23 20:28:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> so I can change tabs in the event there are multiple tabs, but my problem still remains
Jun 23 20:28:49 <BustyLoli-Chan> onCreateView is never called for the children,
Jun 23 20:28:57 <BustyLoli-Chan> and they never actually show up
Jun 23 20:36:17 <damccull> how do i view stacktrace in android studio logcat?
Jun 23 20:36:47 <parco> can I typecast a context to an activity in the constructor of a view?
Jun 23 20:37:14 <SimonVT> If you're absolutely sure it's always an Activity
Jun 23 20:37:15 <damccull> wait maybe not stacktrace. Perhaps I just want the exception
Jun 23 20:37:22 <damccull> how do i display that in my logcat?
Jun 23 20:37:31 <SimonVT> Generally you shouldn't
Jun 23 20:38:14 <Mavrik> damccull, it should be printed by default with ERROR log level
Jun 23 20:38:49 <damccull> Mavrik: so it is...for some reason my filter by package isn't filtering properly..
Jun 23 20:39:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> so even if I start with tabs in my nested tabHost, it doesn't show them... so at least I know it's not necessarily something wrong with the way that I am dynamically trying to add tabs/fragments
Jun 23 20:42:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> I deed it
Jun 23 20:42:05 <BustyLoli-Chan> FUCK YOU CHILD FRAGMENT MANAGER
Jun 23 20:42:18 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm so happy, but so annoyed
Jun 23 20:44:38 <viran> can a dialog fragment "popup" have tabs?
Jun 23 20:44:40 <Bleeptech> ?????????? WTH ????????? ' sudo yum remove eclipse ' removes 94mb .. Just for grins tried to run eclipse .. It still fires up..
Jun 23 20:45:11 <kindahigh> howdy
Jun 23 20:45:35 <kindahigh> what would cause R.java not to generate in eclipse/android studio?
Jun 23 20:45:36 <viran> well, there's always rm -rf / ; dont try really it...
Jun 23 20:45:51 <viran> kindahigh: you have an error, probably layout error
Jun 23 20:45:58 <Mavrik> kindahigh, errors in XML, problems with build system, problems with eclipse
Jun 23 20:45:59 <Mavrik> etc.
Jun 23 20:46:02 <kindahigh> mk
Jun 23 20:46:17 <BustyLoli-Chan> so just to clarify once again... this is possible http://i.imgur.com/Byb09v5.png
Jun 23 20:46:22 <kindahigh> xml issies - how would I configure android studio to go about telling me about these errors like it does compilation issues?
Jun 23 20:46:40 <Mavrik> it should do it by default
Jun 23 20:46:42 <BustyLoli-Chan> so long as you use the childFragmentManager() in the nested view, and don't try to use the supportFragmentManager()
Jun 23 20:46:45 <Mavrik> or at least you'd get an error in consoel
Jun 23 20:46:48 <Bleeptech> kindahigh: Did you just update Eclipse?
Jun 23 20:46:57 <kindahigh> I just updated android studio... and the project died
Jun 23 20:47:04 <kindahigh> but this happened with eclipse, too
Jun 23 20:47:05 <kindahigh> just weeks ago
Jun 23 20:47:14 <Bleeptech> kindahigh: Welcome to the club..
Jun 23 20:47:28 <kindahigh> what's really odd is that if I delete the config directory, it complies fine. once.
Jun 23 20:47:52 <BustyLoli-Chan> also, while you can't actually swipe the inner child with gestures, it does play a nice swipe animation when you select back and forth between tabs
Jun 23 20:51:21 <codekey> kindahigh, i updated Anroid Studio to the latest version and my project stopped running and was getting weird errors. I have to rebuild all and then run to get the apk to load. Anyone else have this issue?
Jun 23 20:52:21 <rafer> I did rebuild all
Jun 23 20:52:30 <rafer> and then tried to run - got the same issues with R not generating
Jun 23 20:52:49 <rafer> only thing that seems to work is removing my ~/.AndroidStudioPreview dir
Jun 23 20:53:30 <Walui> Hi, I have a problem with Spinner size. Whenever I set a custom background, it's height becuase much higher
Jun 23 20:54:12 <Walui> and one I set it lower manually, the text stays at the top and disappears behind
Jun 23 20:54:33 <Walui> But without custom background, everything is fine :/
Jun 23 20:57:27 <belgianguy> anyone accustomed to the YouTube Android API?
Jun 23 20:57:52 <belgianguy> I'm looking to use some thumbnails in a Fragment, which then would start a full screen video
Jun 23 20:58:10 <belgianguy> but it seems it requires to extend YouTubeBaseActivity at all times
Jun 23 20:58:35 <belgianguy> and that YouTubeFragment takes up the whole screen, not allowing for much layouting
Jun 23 21:34:40 <g00s> p_l i wonder if anyone will buy this http://wukix.com/mocl?hn
Jun 23 21:35:13 <g00s> looks cool, but …
Jun 23 21:46:18 <damccull> how do I figure out what part of my layouts or menus is causing null pointer exceptions?
Jun 23 21:46:52 <StingRay_> look at the stacktrace
Jun 23 21:47:05 <StingRay_> set breakpoints and debug it
Jun 23 21:47:10 <StingRay_> guess :)
Jun 23 21:47:17 <StingRay_> loads of options
Jun 23 21:48:38 <damccull> thing is, it was working 3 minutes ago, and I have no idea what changed :(
Jun 23 21:49:02 <StingRay_> thats why you do one of the three things I just mentioned
Jun 23 22:01:05 <damccull> android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #1: Error inflating class fragment <-- does this mean my xml for this particular layout sucks?
Jun 23 22:05:31 <g00s> jasta you around
Jun 23 22:05:46 <lasserix> damcull probably
Jun 23 22:11:56 <jasta> g00s: yup
Jun 23 22:13:07 <g00s> jasta hey, quick question. do you guys at fb use some kind of event bus (like otto, quava-eventbus) etc. i'm exploring making a hybrid tree/content-based pub sub bus for inproc as well as remote process communication
Jun 23 22:13:36 <jasta> we do, yes
Jun 23 22:13:54 <g00s> is it custom, or off-the-shelf? like it? whats cool about it / etc?
Jun 23 22:14:27 <jasta> what do you think? :)
Jun 23 22:14:36 <g00s> no idea :D
Jun 23 22:14:46 <g00s> i'm guessing its custom
Jun 23 22:15:06 <njwandroid> hey there, how is everyone?
Jun 23 22:15:10 <g00s> is it tree based or content-based ?
Jun 23 22:15:44 <jasta> it's very similar to otto
Jun 23 22:16:03 <g00s> ok, content based then
Jun 23 22:16:18 <jasta> yes
Jun 23 22:16:31 <kakazza> elaborate tree-based
Jun 23 22:16:41 <g00s> topic/subtopic/subsubtopic
Jun 23 22:16:57 <g00s> subscribe to : topic/+/+/etc
Jun 23 22:17:02 <g00s> or topic/*
Jun 23 22:17:54 <g00s> jasta do you think the content based has an advantage to the tree based system like Uris ?
Jun 23 22:18:15 <njwandroid> Can anyone review my code or design?  My OO is not very good.
Jun 23 22:18:29 <njwandroid> please
Jun 23 22:18:52 <jasta> not particularly.  I think this is one of those situations where you get to pick your poison.  I personally have favored Android's built-in, though crude event bus (a la local broadcasts, Uri notifyChange, etc)
Jun 23 22:19:16 <jasta> but lately, as hardware is catching up and the design of apps is becoming considerably less micro-optimized, I do find some value in an otto-style bus
Jun 23 22:19:56 <njwandroid> I suppose in particular I'm wondering about  if you have List<Thing> that is fetched from web service and cached and such do you make another class ListThings that extends List<Thing> or something or is a static Thing.getThings() method ok?
Jun 23 22:20:03 <jasta> I will say that I'm disappointed in the Android community as a whole for the lack of performance benchmarks on some of these newer design patterns.  On older phones, this stuff really falls apart.
Jun 23 22:20:28 <jasta> DI frameworks are notoriously bad because their architecture is built on this idea that class loading is marginal and not worth considering.
Jun 23 22:20:59 <jasta> which is generally true for traditional VMs running on powerful hardware.  not so at all for Dalvik and shitty phones.
Jun 23 22:21:12 <g00s> my qualm with guava-eventbus etc is that matching is based on constraints of the type system; in a good content-based system the filtering is based on constraints which include type, but possibly other arbitrary things
Jun 23 22:21:26 <kakazza> DI in general, or limited to those doing it via Reflection? (aka not dagger)
Jun 23 22:21:30 <jasta> As much as I love the idea of sacking support for these older phones, that doesn't always go hand-in-hand with other design choices various app developers are making.
Jun 23 22:21:52 <jasta> kakazza: DI in general.  Dagger suffers from this as well.
Jun 23 22:21:59 <jasta> I've studied it in quite a bit of detail as of late
Jun 23 22:22:15 <jasta> I was initially going to recommend its usage to my team, but stepped backward from that goal as I realized it has many of the same drawbacks.
Jun 23 22:22:26 <kakazza> Care to elaborate on the matter?
Jun 23 22:22:52 <jasta> kakazza: Yes, specifically the problem is that a concrete reference to the class is mentioned in the mapping that explains how, for example, a FizzBuzz instance can be created.
Jun 23 22:23:23 <jasta> So if there's a ConcreteFizzBuzz around, it's class will be verified by VM and loaded just by instantiation of the module that declares how to make a FizzBuzz.
Jun 23 22:23:26 <jasta> Non-lazily this happens.
Jun 23 22:23:54 <jasta> By just writing ConcreteFizzBuzz.class and asking the VM to invoke this opcode, you're forcing class load.
Jun 23 22:24:26 <jasta> For extremely large apps that make heavy use of DI, this means there's this enormous configuration pass on process startup which basically class loads the entire app
Jun 23 22:24:47 <jasta> Using a huge amount of memory up front (even for classes not actually instantiated anywhere near app init)
Jun 23 22:25:49 <g00s> interesting
Jun 23 22:26:02 <jasta> The way this could be solved is to, ironically, use reflection.  Your module would declare that FizzBuzz, by string name, can be created using ConcreteFizzBuzzProvider, also by string name.  One demand to make a FizzBuzz, this string could be converted to a Class reference and instantiated, storing the Class reference for subsequent access as well as an optimization.
Jun 23 22:26:28 <jasta> This way the DI system gets to decide that classes should be verified lazily, on demand for the thing that needed it.
Jun 23 22:26:32 <kakazza> I see. But as you mentioned, this is very releveant for extremely large apps. I'd say, for the majority, it's still a good idea. Or would you not use it in any case?
Jun 23 22:27:04 <jasta> kakazza: I'd say this is relevant for all apps, it's just that it's hard to know you have a problem when your app only loads half a meg of classes this way, taking only 100ms or so.
Jun 23 22:27:12 <jasta> You wouldn't know you had a problem, especially on newer phones.
Jun 23 22:27:29 <Android_help> how can i resize an image dynamically when inserted in the ListView
Jun 23 22:27:43 <jasta> But just by a design change emphasizing this area of performance, that half a meg and 100ms could turn into 1/8 MB and 25ms.
Jun 23 22:27:56 <kakazza> True. But Square made dagger with the idea that Reflection is expensive and - according to them - they sped up app start considerably.
Jun 23 22:28:17 <jasta> Reflection is not so black and white.
Jun 23 22:28:27 <Android_help> I tried to change Layout Parameter but it crashed my app , please help
Jun 23 22:28:35 <jasta> Class.forName/Class.loadClass is the precise instruction Dalvik will invoke internally when it sees Foo.class for the first time.
Jun 23 22:29:30 <Android_help> Any body please help
Jun 23 22:29:33 <jasta> Clarification: when I say Foo.class, I mean any opcode which references Foo as a class.  That is eithre the explicit instruction Foo.class, or even just something innocent like Foo foo = new Foo(); -- the first time the VM sees this, it will invoke Class.forName/loadClass
Jun 23 22:30:25 <chat> hello
Jun 23 22:30:27 <jasta> So by substituting this for a string rather than a concrete class and performing the Class.forName step yourself, you've executed the same exact instructions, you just get to choose when you run them.  In this case, you would choose on-demand instead of on startup.
Jun 23 22:30:34 <Android_help> Is it not possible to scale image on runtime in android ?
Jun 23 22:30:58 <StingRay_> Android_help: sure it is
Jun 23 22:31:00 <chat> is there way to access password for twitter app in android device ?
Jun 23 22:31:19 <jasta> kakazza: btw, you can see this with Traceview.  Though no explicit call to Class.forName/loadClass exists, it will none-the-less appear in the trace during module configuration.
Jun 23 22:31:32 <bankai_> doesn't twitter use something like OAUTH ?
Jun 23 22:32:14 <Android_help> @Stingray_ I tried to change my Image height width with layout params but app crashed , i am populating images on a list view from the device on click of a button
Jun 23 22:32:22 <jasta> kakazza: I am considering submitting patches to Dagger to make the necessary design tweaks to implement this feature.
Jun 23 22:32:32 <jasta> And of course creating the Caliper tests to prove it matters ;0
Jun 23 22:32:37 <chat> i login by twitter app, but i forgot password, may there file storage that password ?
Jun 23 22:32:50 <StingRay_> Android_help: then fix your crash
Jun 23 22:33:27 <p_l> g00s: I was waiting for mocl for looong time now :D
Jun 23 22:33:37 <Android_help> it shows NULLpointerException , how to handle it ? i dont know what caused it ?
Jun 23 22:33:42 <kakazza> jasta: please do. :)
Jun 23 22:34:00 <sonOfRa> Nullpointer means you accessed something that is null
Jun 23 22:34:03 <sonOfRa> this is easy to debug
Jun 23 22:34:05 <Android_help> @StingRay_ It would be a great help if you could help a little Sir
Jun 23 22:34:07 <jasta> The problem though is that now in order to advocate my company switch to Dagger we'd have to start with a custom patched version.  And I know how that will go over... :)
Jun 23 22:34:27 <StingRay_> Android_help: in what way ?
Jun 23 22:34:35 <|0xD34D|> Android_help: the best thing you can do is learn how to properly debug your app
Jun 23 22:34:47 <|0xD34D|> Android_help: logcat is your friend
Jun 23 22:34:55 <bankai_> ^ read the stack trace
Jun 23 22:34:56 <kakazza> jasta: Looking forward to a pull request + discussion with Jake and the other Square people ;)
Jun 23 22:35:23 <Android_help> Yes i looked into logcat , Can you guide me to a resource where i could get help in debugging ?
Jun 23 22:35:24 <StingRay_> |0xD34D|: no it isnt
Jun 23 22:35:30 <kakazza> I'll have to look at traceview next time I use dagger.
Jun 23 22:35:32 <StingRay_> it shows me how crap I am
Jun 23 22:35:45 <|0xD34D|> StingRay_: that's a good thing
Jun 23 22:35:55 <jasta> kakazza: In fact, I might as well start the conversation ahead of patching it.  I think I'll work on a contrived little test that demonstrates it :)
Jun 23 22:35:57 <StingRay_> I want your goggles ;)
Jun 23 22:36:07 <|0xD34D|> at least it tells it like it is and doesn't sugar coat shit
Jun 23 22:36:09 <kakazza> But Lazy instantiation doesn't seem to be too much work? Though I haven't read the dagger source code while you certainly did.
Jun 23 22:36:33 <kakazza> jasta: Will the test results be public? Like on their G+ Community?
Jun 23 22:36:36 <jasta> kakazza: It's not much work to change the autogenerated code, no.  But I have no idea how much work it is to change the generator to generate different code ;)
Jun 23 22:36:48 <jasta> kakazza: yeah that's what i meant.  publishing my test :)
Jun 23 22:37:02 <kakazza> Looking forward to it!
Jun 23 22:41:08 <Android_help> @|0xD34D| Any resource to read or learn about debugging android ? I am newbie , just trying to fly with the bot
Jun 23 22:41:51 <|0xD34D|> I'm sure there are some out there on the interwebs
Jun 23 22:42:32 <kakazza> For example, the official docs.
Jun 23 22:42:35 <kakazza> https://developer.android.com/tools/debugging/index.html
Jun 23 22:45:52 <Android_help> @StingRay_ Please help if you know about dynamic Image height width changing in listView ?
Jun 23 22:46:11 <StingRay_> Android_help: whats your question ?
Jun 23 22:46:54 <Android_help> What is the proper way of scaling a image in runtime when fetched from Image Gallery of a device ?
Jun 23 22:47:13 <StingRay_> scale a bitmap ?
Jun 23 22:47:52 <Android_help> Sorry i mean to say If the height is 600 origional image , i want to display 200 , but width also decrease in proportion
Jun 23 22:48:39 <StingRay_> well you really wouldnt want to load 600x? pixels
Jun 23 22:48:47 <StingRay_> if you were just going to display 200x?
Jun 23 22:49:56 <kakazza> https://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/index.html
Jun 23 22:49:59 <kakazza> Also https://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/load-bitmap.html
Jun 23 22:50:10 <Android_help> but images are shown in the screen in their original size, How can i fetch them as only 200px ?
Jun 23 22:50:32 <StingRay_> but neways, look at fixing lets say height, and then controlling display size with scaleType
Jun 23 22:50:47 <StingRay_> Android_help: look at bitmapFactory.bitmapOptions
Jun 23 22:51:05 <kakazza> aka, click the two links above
Jun 23 22:51:05 <StingRay_> oh the 2nd link that kakazza just linked you
Jun 23 22:51:10 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 22:51:14 * kakazza purrs
Jun 23 22:51:33 <Android_help> @StingRay- @Kakazza Thank you :)
Jun 23 22:57:54 <Norrin> i'm trying to find out about detecting app events
Jun 23 22:57:57 <Norrin> such as app_start, app_foreground, and app_background
Jun 23 22:58:18 <Norrin> i see the callbacks for activities that are mentioned but nothing for the app yet...
Jun 23 23:04:18 <Norrin> anyone know what docs i can reference to find out when the app starts, goes in the background, and goes into the foreground?
Jun 23 23:07:03 <g00s> p_l what would be your choice for embedding a small interpreter so a user can extend a product?
Jun 23 23:07:18 <p_l> g00s: depends what kind of extensions and what kind of user
Jun 23 23:07:19 <g00s> (android, of course). i was looking at luaj and rhino, both are heavy and slow
Jun 23 23:08:11 <p_l> g00s: well, there's a bunch of Scheme's for Java that could be used, but I don't know how well it would work (a lot depends on the actual product and the interactions with users)
Jun 23 23:08:18 <g00s> very basic stuff, easy syntax like python, just make some function calls into my app or hook into behavior and modify a value
Jun 23 23:08:33 <p_l> above certain point, it might make more sense to have native code library with the riuntime
Jun 23 23:08:44 <p_l> don't know of anything with python-like syntax
Jun 23 23:08:46 <damccull> I need a second set of eyes for this exception. I have no idea what is wrong and I've been staring at this for hours now. Let me know if you need to see additional files: http://pastebin.com/RDVAa0Jv
Jun 23 23:09:03 <g00s> lua looks simple enough, but i would have to use jni and crap
Jun 23 23:10:21 <StingRay_> damccull:  line 29 ?
Jun 23 23:11:55 <damccull> StingRay_: I don't know what to do with that line as it's not code I wrote :D
Jun 23 23:12:42 <StingRay_> your extending an adapter ?
Jun 23 23:12:47 <StingRay_> oops
Jun 23 23:12:53 <StingRay_> you"re extending an adapter ?
Jun 23 23:12:58 * StingRay_ looks at pragma- 
Jun 23 23:13:32 <kakazza> I wonder, do you write 'your' on purpose?
Jun 23 23:13:51 <StingRay_> no
Jun 23 23:13:58 <StingRay_> well, depends
Jun 23 23:14:23 <StingRay_> on if my laziness is purposeful
Jun 23 23:15:41 <damccull_> StingRay_: yes i did, but I'm never getting to that point when stepping through program. My main activity is crashing with that exception at  setContentView in onCreate
Jun 23 23:16:13 <kakazza> You're not being lazy, 'your' is not an abbreviation. You're simply using the wrong word.
Jun 23 23:16:33 <StingRay_> kakazza: I know that and I am
Jun 23 23:16:45 <StingRay_> as in your   youre  you're
Jun 23 23:17:01 <StingRay_> in order of really lazy, other party will get the meaning
Jun 23 23:18:03 <StingRay_> if I thought it would be interpreted, I would possibly use yor :)
Jun 23 23:18:19 <lasserix> StingRay_. no, if you don't use correctly grammar and punctuation the bytecode of the universal will begin to corrupt.
Jun 23 23:18:23 <p_l> rotfl @ 'yor'
Jun 23 23:18:40 <p_l> (it actually means 'you' in a certain language)
Jun 23 23:19:00 <StingRay_> yor'll pisin me of now
Jun 23 23:19:24 <StingRay_> oh damccull_ yes, but no, but yes
Jun 23 23:19:36 <damccull_> StingRay_: wut?
Jun 23 23:20:00 <StingRay_> damccull: yes, but look at it this way, you're inflating a fragment that has to create the content that I presume in your <---  case created a listView and adapter
Jun 23 23:20:34 <StingRay_> so the fragment has to create then return a view, to the view that you setting in onCreate ?  maybe ?
Jun 23 23:20:58 <p_l> StingRay_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1GtMiKXE_E <--- link to example of said language ;)
Jun 23 23:21:01 <damccull_> ...ok. I'm inflating an xml, which then loads a fragment, which is a sherlocklistfragment
Jun 23 23:21:14 <StingRay_> so my guess, your extending the adapter, but maybe not returning a proper count ?
Jun 23 23:21:16 <damccull_> which loads an extended arrayadapter
Jun 23 23:21:24 <damccull_> it worked fine like 4hours ago :(
Jun 23 23:21:28 <damccull_> can't figure out what changed
Jun 23 23:21:51 <lasserix> make sure you're not setting your adapter before the view is loaded
Jun 23 23:22:07 <Norrin> anyone know what docs i can reference to find out when the app starts, goes in the background, and goes into the foreground?
Jun 23 23:22:24 <damccull_> wait a sec
Jun 23 23:22:40 <StingRay_> Norrin: the secrect android docs, maintained by the elite
Jun 23 23:22:41 <damccull_> what happens if I set a list adapter but it hasn't created the list yet?
Jun 23 23:22:46 <StingRay_> sorry, jk
Jun 23 23:22:48 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 23:23:13 <damccull_> Norrin: use the d.android.com and look for Activity Lifecycle
Jun 23 23:23:47 <Norrin> damccull_ read it.  that tells when an activity starts & etc.  not the app
Jun 23 23:24:12 <lasserix> damccull "created the list" means populare the list data so if the datastrucutre (or array) is null then yes it'll give NPE
Jun 23 23:24:15 <Quacked> Anyone knows of an ad network that can open sms app on click? Looks like admob only allows URLs
Jun 23 23:24:53 <damccull_> Norrin: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Application.html
Jun 23 23:25:10 <damccull_> lasserix: omg i'm dumb. :D Thanks and you too StingRay_
Jun 23 23:25:57 <Norrin> damccull_, thanks, i'll give that a read
Jun 23 23:26:17 <Norrin> hopefully the answer is there somewhere
Jun 23 23:26:19 <damccull_> Quacked: can you not give a url in the form of a content provider? or sms:// or something?
Jun 23 23:26:24 <damccull_> Norrin: it has oncreate() and stuff
Jun 23 23:27:24 <Quacked> damccull_: not according to the info at admob.com
Jun 23 23:34:02 <damccull_> why when i change the data in my array and call notifyDataSetChanged() on my adapter, does it not update? :(
Jun 23 23:37:54 <StingRay_> data hasnt changed, it's not the same object…erm...
Jun 23 23:41:30 <damccull_> ah fixed it. apparently you can't create a NEW ArrayList and reassign it, you have to change the old one.
Jun 23 23:41:57 <StingRay_> "it's not the same object"
Jun 23 23:41:59 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 23 23:43:39 <parco> has anyone else noticed an OpenGL project that works everything except a Note 2?
Jun 23 23:44:08 <Da_Rhyno> Hi all, I'm trying to write my own class that will act as a listener for an instance of MediaPlayer...
Jun 23 23:44:45 <Da_Rhyno> I'm using "mediaPlayer.setOnCompletionListener(this);" in my class' constructor, and it's giving me an error.
Jun 23 23:45:23 <Da_Rhyno> nvm
Jun 23 23:45:30 <Da_Rhyno> I figured out the class isn't implementing it.
Jun 23 23:45:35 <Da_Rhyno> xD Sorry
Jun 23 23:45:38 <|0xD34D|> did you forget implements :P
Jun 23 23:45:53 <Da_Rhyno> Yeah, lol
Jun 23 23:58:14 <Da_Rhyno> What do "synchronized" blocks do?
Jun 23 23:59:07 <jasta> Da_Rhyno: ask in a more general Java forum please.
Jun 23 23:59:22 <sonOfRa> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/concurrency/sync.html
Jun 24 00:00:24 <Da_Rhyno> Okay, so it allows for synchronization of two threads so they can pass data between each other. Simple enough. Thanks, sonOfRa.
Jun 24 00:00:37 <jasta> hehe
Jun 24 00:00:52 <sonOfRa> It's not really that simple, Da_Rhyno
Jun 24 00:00:55 <jasta> I wish I could see the look on his face when he realizes how deep that rabbit hole goes.
Jun 24 00:01:15 <sonOfRa> you have to pay attention to how you lock things, that you lock enough, don't lock too much
Jun 24 00:01:37 <jasta> kakazza: you still there?  I have a Traceview file you may be interested in :)
Jun 24 00:07:38 <kakazza> I am
Jun 24 00:07:54 <kakazza> jasta: Hit me
Jun 24 00:08:38 <jasta> actually one sec, im verifying a discrepency in this data that i don't immediately understand
Jun 24 00:09:24 <funkbox> i'll just sit here and wait for the "why does my UI lock up?" follow-up question to asking about locks
Jun 24 00:09:57 <kakazza> jasta: I'll be going to bed. Query me with a link if you've got any.
Jun 24 00:10:00 <kakazza> Night
Jun 24 00:10:41 <jasta> ok, i actually realized i need to hack dalvik to visualize this in a convincing fashion :)
Jun 24 00:10:55 <jasta> (by hack i just mean produce a custom build with some extra debug)
Jun 24 00:19:22 <g00s> i'm finding the 400 page gradle user guide difficult to penetrate
Jun 24 00:19:40 <g00s> definitely not good technical writing
Jun 24 00:20:15 <g00s> sometimes, things can be too flexible
Jun 24 00:21:25 <p_l> some stuff is plain confusing there
Jun 24 00:21:58 <g00s> i hate to say this, but i almost rather use maven instead. but overriding that is my desire to stay with the official tooling
Jun 24 00:22:43 <g00s> funny they have c++ builder; who the hell writing c++ is going to use gradle
Jun 24 00:22:51 <p_l> g00s: In the end, I went with gradle rather than maven except for one place where there was a plugin that did everything that was needed
Jun 24 00:23:12 <p_l> g00s: when you integrate C++ with Java, why not?
Jun 24 00:23:18 <g00s> ah, ok
Jun 24 00:24:15 <g00s> everybody has their own build system; scala has sbt; clojure has leiningen, etc
Jun 24 00:24:23 <g00s> c++ has like a million ;)
Jun 24 00:25:00 <p_l> and the biggest one got created as experiment to explore yacc and lex :D
Jun 24 00:25:17 <g00s> p_l whats that ?
Jun 24 00:25:20 <p_l> Make
Jun 24 00:25:28 <g00s> heh
Jun 24 00:25:37 <p_l> that's why it has TAB character as part of the syntax
Jun 24 00:25:51 <p_l> ... because the author wanted to check out if it would work in his lex file
Jun 24 00:26:02 <g00s> uh
Jun 24 00:26:30 <p_l> then the tool, well, went "runaway"
Jun 24 00:27:31 <g00s> this is where i want to abandon reading the official docs and get a well written book for idiots
Jun 24 00:27:46 <g00s> the oreilly one is pretty old though, ike gradle 1.0
Jun 24 00:28:55 <jasta> argh, ive forgotten how to turn on ALOG in aosp
Jun 24 00:29:03 <jasta> grepping this massive pile of code :\
Jun 24 00:30:06 <Maziz> gradle? getting use to android studio?
Jun 24 00:30:16 <g00s> i wish grep or ack had some distance qualifier (find x within y {lines / words} of z)
Jun 24 00:30:31 <g00s> Maziz no, just gradle by itself atm
Jun 24 00:34:57 <g00s> p_l maybe you know - what i'm trying to figure out is, if i have several projects that depend on each other - with maven i would just set up a local repo. assuming these artifacts were for my consumption only. now, with grade if i want to set up a local repo, i'm not sure if its supposed to be structured (maven/ivy) or flatdir - and if flatdir, if i can still use a smart resolver and pick artifacts by version from my local repo
Jun 24 00:35:21 <p_l> g00s: you can reuse a maven repo
Jun 24 00:35:40 <p_l> use the maven plugin, and there's even docs somewhere on making a task to upload to your private repo
Jun 24 00:35:44 <g00s> yeah, but does that make sense if the only repo i'm using is local ?
Jun 24 00:35:53 <g00s> yeah, i used uploadArchives
Jun 24 00:36:02 <p_l> g00s: well, it seemed to me that you've already had a repo
Jun 24 00:36:32 <g00s> oh, well that was in the past - this is now, for my android stuff i'm refactoring things across projects into libraries
Jun 24 00:36:33 <p_l> haven't used private repos really, I just make a fat jar for deps + small jar with my code and copy them
Jun 24 00:41:15 <g00s> is it pretty standard now in maven world to put your pom.xml in the jar's META-INF/maven directory ?
Jun 24 00:41:40 <g00s> if so, i guess you don't need a structured repo because all the jars are self describing in their deps
Jun 24 00:41:50 <g00s> i've been away from maven for a while tho
Jun 24 00:54:30 <newbieto> anyone in NY?
Jun 24 00:54:35 <g00s> gradleware android class july 2; $495
Jun 24 00:54:40 * g00s sighs
Jun 24 00:55:13 <jasta> hmm
Jun 24 00:55:56 <jasta> ahh, its been too long since ive done aosp work :)
Jun 24 00:56:02 <jasta> i forgot how delightfully hacky this is
Jun 24 00:56:34 <jasta> hehe: adb shell stop && adb sync system && adb shell start
Jun 24 00:57:29 <jasta> and now, dalvik is spamming debug like crazy.
Jun 24 01:00:13 <g00s> api 17 had a bug where logcat got spammed with "unknown tag" debug messages
Jun 24 01:00:21 <g00s> or something like that
Jun 24 01:16:38 <rytrix> Anybody know of an open source app for creating a "Personal App Picks" app?
Jun 24 01:16:49 <rytrix> errr open source app of "Personal App Picks"
Jun 24 01:31:51 <syntroPi> do i need the oracle jdk 6 or is openjdk-6-jdk from ubuntu repos also sufficient? what about the jdk 7 versions?
Jun 24 01:32:00 <syntroPi> i mean to build android
Jun 24 01:32:50 <syntroPi> the google page says "JDK 6 if you wish to build Gingerbread or newer; JDK 5 for Froyo or older. You can download both from java.sun.com."
Jun 24 01:34:24 <bankai_> not really in scope of this channel
Jun 24 01:35:26 <CocoStorm> Is creating an app that simply adds to the contact list difficult?
Jun 24 01:35:35 <CocoStorm> *adds a number
Jun 24 01:35:51 <CocoStorm> I'm going through the contact provider docs and there's a lot to read..
Jun 24 01:35:55 <bankai_> depends on your definition of "difficult" :P
Jun 24 01:36:26 <syntroPi> bankai_, where would you suggest to ask such a question?
Jun 24 01:37:25 <CocoStorm> bankai_, lol, difficult means stuff that you can't quickly copy paste and understand at first glance and modify to suit your app :D
Jun 24 01:37:38 <CocoStorm> but yeah, I should probably read it all
Jun 24 01:38:29 <bankai_> syntroPi: #android-root
Jun 24 01:39:54 <syntroPi> thanks
Jun 24 01:40:27 <superlinux-hp> hi. anyone has HTC One (m7) mobile phone? all i ask what is the factory default android version installed on this phone? or at least how can I emulate it?
Jun 24 01:52:16 <superlinux-hp> hi. anyone has HTC One (m7) mobile phone? all i ask what is the factory default android version installed on this phone? or at least how can I emulate it?
Jun 24 01:55:45 <Sonicadvance1> superlinux-hp, It would be 4.1.2
Jun 24 01:55:57 <superlinux-hp> Ah ok
Jun 24 01:56:04 <superlinux-hp> i don't know..
Jun 24 01:56:21 <Sonicadvance1> Runs Sense 5 on top of the default interface
Jun 24 01:56:48 <superlinux-hp> Sonicadvance1, someone complains to me that after i updated the app it stopped working on his HTC One m7
Jun 24 01:57:07 <superlinux-hp> but it works fine on y samsun duos
Jun 24 01:57:16 <superlinux-hp> but it works fine on my samsung S duos
Jun 24 01:57:36 <Sonicadvance1> What app is it, I could test it here
Jun 24 01:57:40 <superlinux-hp> and i tested it on emulator API 15
Jun 24 01:57:40 <Sonicadvance1> :P
Jun 24 01:57:56 <superlinux-hp> willing to buy it for a dollar?
Jun 24 01:58:05 <superlinux-hp> one dolar only
Jun 24 01:58:29 <Sonicadvance1> Ah, probably not. I tend not to use my phone for playing any apps
Jun 24 01:59:56 <superlinux-hp> anyway.. my app is called General Engineering.. there is a free version of it but it has less modules than the paid version
Jun 24 02:00:21 <BustyLoli-Chan> is there such thing as a drop down view selector?
Jun 24 02:00:51 <superlinux-hp> Sonicadvance1, do you test you apps on your phone? or on emulator?
Jun 24 02:02:16 <Sonicadvance1> superlinux-hp, Phone
Jun 24 02:02:26 <superlinux-hp> aha me too
Jun 24 02:02:27 <Sonicadvance1> My laptop isn't quick enough for running on the emulator
Jun 24 02:02:55 <superlinux-hp> my lap is i7 intel . it can.
Jun 24 02:03:05 <Sonicadvance1> :P
Jun 24 02:03:21 <Sonicadvance1> I didn't own an x86 device to run the Android NDK on, so I bought one of the cheapest laptops I could find
Jun 24 02:04:13 <superlinux-hp> but i a have Google TV (Android 3.2) at home and the samsung duos. mom has a Samsung Galaxy s4
Jun 24 02:04:29 <superlinux-hp> so i have many options ... heh
Jun 24 02:05:05 <Sonicadvance1> I've got a Galaxy S4 and my HTC DNA running HTC One software
Jun 24 02:05:22 <superlinux-hp> ah ok
Jun 24 02:05:29 <superlinux-hp> that is good
Jun 24 02:06:41 <superlinux-hp> Sonicadvance1, see how things changed!? in the past a whole huge box is replaced by our phones! ☺
Jun 24 02:07:26 <Sonicadvance1> That's right
Jun 24 02:32:58 * Norrin never even seen a google tv
Jun 24 02:33:07 <Norrin> or heard anyone say they had one
Jun 24 02:33:20 <Norrin> not even sure i know what one is
Jun 24 02:33:44 <pfn> g00s, really, just use the maven android plugin
Jun 24 02:33:56 <pfn> g00s, and use gradle only because it's a necessary evil as part of AS
Jun 24 02:37:23 <g00s> pfn you don't like this either :|
Jun 24 02:37:36 <g00s> i hate being so grumpy but … well, the build variant stuff is cool
Jun 24 02:37:49 <JakeWharton> there's a version of Android Studio that lets you use Ant and Maven and everything else
Jun 24 02:37:50 <pfn> g00s, it's not that, but gradle is very immature, at least the android build stuff, it seems
Jun 24 02:37:52 <JakeWharton> it's called IntelliJ IDEA
Jun 24 02:38:42 <pfn> only thing I find interesting is that gradle still supports instrumentedtest builds, which I've never cared to look at doing at all
Jun 24 02:41:02 <JakeWharton> if you never cared to look at it, why do you care and why are you commenting on it?
Jun 24 02:43:12 <JakeWharton> considering it is the only supported way to test an application its support should come as a surprise to no one
Jun 24 02:52:15 <parapooper> does anybody know a good tutorial for java android?
Jun 24 02:53:33 <Leeds> erm, for Java or for Android?
Jun 24 02:54:47 <parapooper> for java for android
Jun 24 02:54:51 <parapooper> writing apps
Jun 24 02:54:57 <bankai_> topic, buddy
Jun 24 02:55:55 <Leeds> do you already know Java or not?
Jun 24 02:56:10 <BustyLoli-Chan> I learned from the series that google has directly on their site
Jun 24 02:56:21 <parapooper> bankai_: ? :))))) have u visited that site? there is only 100500 pages of  spam oh how nice android is
Jun 24 02:56:29 <BustyLoli-Chan> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Jun 24 02:56:41 <Leeds> wow, someone doesn't want help
Jun 24 02:56:42 <parapooper> Leeds: a bit
Jun 24 02:57:13 <parapooper> BustyLoli-Chan: aha thx
Jun 24 02:58:43 <grog> how can i force installtion of "unsupported" apps onto my device?
Jun 24 02:58:55 <grog> it's a cubieboard running Android TV Box Allwinner 2.2
Jun 24 02:58:58 <parapooper> Leeds: bankai_: go google rtfm fu :*
Jun 24 02:59:40 <bankai_> ummmm what?
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