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Jun 26 03:01:00 <Ericthegreat> "all in package"?
Jun 26 03:01:08 <Ericthegreat> 1 sec lemme try all in module
Jun 26 03:01:32 <theelfismike> are you sure that that configuration is "Android Application" in the left sidebar and not "Android Tests" ?
Jun 26 03:02:16 <Ericthegreat> no
Jun 26 03:02:23 <Ericthegreat> I see what your saying
Jun 26 03:03:32 <Ericthegreat> tyvm
Jun 26 03:03:36 <Ericthegreat> now it runs
Jun 26 03:03:41 <Ericthegreat> but crashs.....
Jun 26 03:03:49 <Ericthegreat> but still lol tyvm
Jun 26 03:03:49 <theelfismike> sure, no problem - good luck!
Jun 26 03:04:23 <Ericthegreat> oh since they wont answear me, do you know if I need to configure the android manifest file manuely when using libgdx?
Jun 26 03:04:48 <theelfismike> i've never used libgdx (this is actually the first i've heard of it)
Jun 26 03:05:23 <Ericthegreat> ty lol
Jun 26 03:12:39 <Bleeptech> Anybody else in here got bad eyes and using Android Studio?
Jun 26 03:13:24 * Bleeptech is trying to find the editor font settings.
Jun 26 03:14:42 <theelfismike> use the search in settings
Jun 26 03:15:07 <theelfismike> or "Preferences"
Jun 26 03:18:00 <Bleeptech> theelfismike: TY.. Actually found Themes and switched to something easier on the eyes.
Jun 26 03:18:39 <theelfismike> awesome - one of the best intellij features is they have search in almost every screen/dialog
Jun 26 03:19:41 <Bleeptech> theelfismike: Hehehe.. Where do I file a bug report? The templates for project generation have a few typos.. LOL..
Jun 26 03:20:53 <theelfismike> http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues/IDEA :)
Jun 26 03:34:53 <Unknown0BC> Hi, what do you guys like to use to send email from an app ? ( without using Intent)
Jun 26 03:36:35 <theelfismike> Unknown0BC - you may want to try something like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2020088/sending-email-in-android-using-javamail-api-without-using-the-default-built-in-a/2033124#2033124
Jun 26 03:37:19 <theelfismike> you'll have to find a way to do it the java way - i don't know of an easy way to do it using the android platform
Jun 26 03:41:15 <parco> is there anything a developer can do about a bad rating left because the app is not free?
Jun 26 03:41:28 <parco> "tells me I have to pay	I wanted to use the chat command and it tells me I have to pay very annoying as that's all I really want to do"
Jun 26 03:41:31 <csst0111> I get json data from a URL and want to save them in a database. Should I return a JSON Array, Iterate and add them to db ? Or while I'm on AsyncTask doIn
Jun 26 03:42:05 <csst0111> doInBackground() add each item to db ?MAybe on onPostExecute() ?
Jun 26 03:42:07 <theelfismike> parco - you can reply to them via the Play console
Jun 26 03:42:28 <parco> theelfismike: yea, i have, is that all?
Jun 26 03:43:14 <theelfismike> parco - that's about it. in the past i've fixed the issues raised by bad comments/ratings and replied asking them to try the app again, but that's about all you can really do
Jun 26 03:43:31 <theelfismike> it sounds like your issue is fundamental to the app though :P
Jun 26 03:43:40 <csst0111> Is there a "best practise" or all of those solutions can work ?
Jun 26 03:44:09 <parco> theelfismike: I don't think so, that's why it upsets me
Jun 26 03:44:27 <parco> Oh well
Jun 26 03:46:28 <theelfismike> csst0111 - those all could work, mainly depends on how you want to structure your application - I'm generally a fan of abstracting things away from Activities
Jun 26 03:49:01 <csst0111> theelfismike, you mean from the main thread. So I should populate the db while I'm on AsyncTask ?
Jun 26 03:50:06 <theelfismike> csst0111 - well, you should *always* do intensive operations off the UI thread, but i meant like a separate service/class that manages that data
Jun 26 03:50:26 <theelfismike> which could load locally if the data is already local or hit the network if it's not there yet
Jun 26 03:50:48 <theelfismike> but generally, doInBackground should work
Jun 26 03:51:10 <theelfismike> if you had a separate service that might be the right place to put that data, but that could be overkill depending on your application
Jun 26 03:53:30 <csst0111> hmm... yeah I got your point. I could check this too. I think there is no need for service since the data are a few kb
Jun 26 04:26:48 <jasabella> hi
Jun 26 04:27:43 <dck28> hey theelfismike, i've been trying to follow instructions how to integrate robolectric for junit testing on android studio but I couldn't get it to work. But then I tried Robotium, and it worked when running as Android Test Case, but not as Junit test. Could you explain to me a bit the advantage of Robolectric vs Robotium? how id Robolectric ran without the need to go through the device/emulator and just running in the jam? that's the
Jun 26 04:27:44 <dck28> part i'm confused… I'm wondering if it's worth to invest in trying to get robolectric working instead of other testing frameworks.. thanks
Jun 26 04:29:38 <theelfismike> Robotium/Robolectric are trying to solve different problems. I use both in some of my projects - Robolectric is a framework that's based on junit assertions, which allows you to write unit tests for methods that call into the Android framework. Robotium is used for click testing - once your application is started on an emulator or device, Robotium can click buttons and type text, etc to interact with your app and make sure it b
Jun 26 04:30:43 <theelfismike> if you're just trying to write simple unit tests that don't touch the Android framework at all, just use regular junit style tests (but at least for me, most of my code touches Views or Activities at some point)
Jun 26 04:32:14 <hesperaux> in the new version of ADT/eclipse the logcat window clears itself right after my app force closes - so i cannot see the stack trace or anything.
Jun 26 04:32:19 <hesperaux> has anyone else had this problem?
Jun 26 04:32:49 <hesperaux> it works one time, then clears itself for no reason, then it never works after that. I have to restart eclipse
Jun 26 04:32:54 <dck28> soo, is it correct to say that robotium includes the capabilities of robolectric as well? cause it seems like i can also perform assertions with robotium. Just that the inconvenient part is to have to attach to a device to run these test if I'm only using robotium...
Jun 26 04:33:08 <hesperaux> and "works one time" means it prints anything at all, then clears itself
Jun 26 04:42:25 <jasabella> is R.java an automatically generated file? :)
Jun 26 04:43:11 <cheese1756> hesperaux: Could you have ticked a setting somewhere by any chance? That doesn't sound like a sane default
Jun 26 04:43:44 <hesperaux> cheese1756, not a chance...
Jun 26 04:44:03 <hesperaux> what i did do was add a logical NOT regex to NOT match a specific tag
Jun 26 04:44:23 <hesperaux> my logcat gets UBER FILLED with bluetoothservice.cpp notifications
Jun 26 04:44:35 <hesperaux> those are flooding my output, so i tried to remove them
Jun 26 04:46:20 <hesperaux> omg this is infuriating
Jun 26 04:46:23 <hesperaux> i need to see the exception
Jun 26 04:46:40 <hesperaux> there are 2.8 million lines and counting in logcat
Jun 26 04:46:47 <hesperaux> it keeps clearing itself over and over
Jun 26 04:48:26 <hesperaux> i've never seen this much logcat before
Jun 26 04:48:45 * hesperaux turns off facedetection
Jun 26 04:51:53 * hesperaux sets logcat buffer size to uber quadrillions of lines
Jun 26 04:55:35 <hesperaux> awesome. now it won't detect the phone
Jun 26 05:09:33 <androidnewb> Hi Guys, it androidnewb here, I need some tips.
Jun 26 05:10:08 <AmonX> Always floss and bush your teeth
Jun 26 05:10:41 <androidnewb> I'm really need some tips on android development. no jokes please.
Jun 26 05:11:59 <jak2000> hi
Jun 26 05:12:04 <AmonX> I am a newb too but if you haven't already checked it out try this http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Jun 26 05:13:12 <jak2000> AmonX is for?
Jun 26 05:13:32 <AmonX> trying to help out androidnewb :D
Jun 26 05:13:40 <jak2000> androidnewb hi friend
Jun 26 05:13:48 <jak2000> yes reprhase the tutorials...
Jun 26 05:14:07 <androidnewb> I already seen that. I need tips, see i'm creating an android app with many forms and I want this form to be stored in a database, it kinda big work just using "findviewbyid" and inserting it to database. is there any other way more easy approach than this?
Jun 26 05:15:48 <nkh> Hi guys, I need to have an extract mode (If I'm right:D) input in my webview ...
Jun 26 05:16:55 <nkh> I googled around and even didn't find any way to force a regular TextEdit to be shown in extract mode ( full screen, I mean)
Jun 26 05:17:05 <nkh> is there anyway?
Jun 26 05:43:12 <AmonX> is it possible to have an app display differently on a tv than on the android device... ie hide an onscreen game pad on the tv but still have it displayed on the device?
Jun 26 05:47:57 <Quest> Leeds, finally did it, in EDIT-1 of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17251743/part-2-persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-works-at-sleep-m
Jun 26 05:48:36 <Quest> Leeds,  thanks for the push.
Jun 26 05:52:28 <dragorn> AmonX: you mean a tv-connected phone showing two different things?  I believe yes but i've never done it
Jun 26 05:52:33 <dck28> theelfismike: thanks for recommending robolectric… one quick question tho, if I start implementing testing with robolectric, i would have to change my current project layout structure to include test sources… was just wondering in general, after implementing and add these test sources codes, will my resulting apk include these test source files? in other words, when I make a new build and in release mode, will the resulting apk inc
Jun 26 05:52:33 <dck28> lude these added libraries and files? thanks for clarifying...
Jun 26 05:52:58 <AmonX> yes tv connected phone
Jun 26 05:53:08 <dragorn> AmonX: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Presentation.html maybe somewhere to start
Jun 26 05:53:32 <dragorn> AmonX: having never used it i don't know tho
Jun 26 05:53:57 <AmonX> Thank you so much, sounds exactly what I am need
Jun 26 05:57:53 <AmonX> I thought multi window was a 4.1.2 thing not just a samsung thing :)
Jun 26 06:19:01 <Quest> any comments about  EDIT-1 of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17251743/part-2-persistent-foreground-android-service-that-starts-by-ui-works-at-sleep-m
Jun 26 06:48:34 <zhulikas> hey
Jun 26 06:48:42 <Quest> hi
Jun 26 06:49:06 <zhulikas> I am looking for some sort of android "shortcut for anything" application, which would allow me to choose custom commands and add shortcuts to home to trigger them
Jun 26 06:49:24 <zhulikas> for example to kill my chosen application, clear its cache
Jun 26 06:49:32 <zhulikas> enable/disable mobile data
Jun 26 06:49:34 <zhulikas> and such
Jun 26 06:50:31 <Quest> you are free to make one. or google for an opensource. i think i dont know of any such type
Jun 26 06:50:59 <zhulikas> I don't want to make one, I want to use one for my development :D
Jun 26 06:51:28 <Quest> hm. you may post the same question after some time, some one might be familiiar. untill then you may google
Jun 26 06:56:13 <Quest> general question to android, javase, javaee: If some code is used many times in an app, its better to inherit it from one class by all classes, but if the classes already extend some other class, what options are we left with? iinterfaces cant give implementations of methods , so not an option. any others?
Jun 26 06:57:26 <icetooth> you could write some C code and use a JNI :P
Jun 26 07:00:07 <icetooth> just watch out for those pesky memory leaks
Jun 26 07:07:08 <omid8bimo> when i import a library prokect into my project from intellij, to use it, the only way is to create an instance of its classes in my activity?
Jun 26 07:10:46 <min_ch> zhulikas: maybe SL4A. It enables you to put shortcuts to your own scripts to home.
Jun 26 07:10:56 <zhulikas> hmmm
Jun 26 07:11:09 <zhulikas> that would require a lot of effort to figure out what exactly I need to launch
Jun 26 07:11:28 <zhulikas> it would be much better to have a list of all possible public actions in android and then choose which one to use
Jun 26 07:11:34 <zhulikas> with some possible parameters for example
Jun 26 07:11:38 <zhulikas> that would be an awesome dev app
Jun 26 07:12:41 <alex_PP> there's no formal way to define an intent with parameters
Jun 26 07:13:04 <alex_PP> so you've no idea what extras an activity is expecting
Jun 26 08:11:52 <ciurkut> good morning :)
Jun 26 08:12:00 <AmonX> good morning :D
Jun 26 08:12:13 <ciurkut> :3
Jun 26 08:12:34 <superlinux-hp> hi. is there away to force the update of the package of all my clients?
Jun 26 08:12:40 <icetooth> wassup!!
Jun 26 08:13:15 <superlinux-hp> icetooth, cool cool! all is cool brother!
Jun 26 08:13:35 <icetooth> i just got my first cross platform build running im so f'n happy right now
Jun 26 08:13:36 <superlinux-hp> sound and sweet
Jun 26 08:13:49 <superlinux-hp> great
Jun 26 08:14:06 <superlinux-hp> icetooth, does your app use C?
Jun 26 08:14:12 <superlinux-hp> ah ok!
Jun 26 08:14:15 <superlinux-hp> got you.
Jun 26 08:14:21 <icetooth> yeah, light c++ but its very Cish
Jun 26 08:14:54 <superlinux-hp> aha that's excellent.
Jun 26 08:15:23 <icetooth> once i rip out all the STL junk i used to 'just get it running'
Jun 26 08:16:10 <superlinux-hp> ah! that's why i could not use Symbolic C++ library for my symbolic algebra and math stuff
Jun 26 08:16:17 <superlinux-hp> STL is the reason
Jun 26 08:16:48 <superlinux-hp> so does that mean i have to write my own linked list and the like?
Jun 26 08:16:58 <RyanM> superlinux-hp: you cannot force a package update
Jun 26 08:17:25 <RyanM> at most you could have your app check if a new version is available and prompt the user to install it
Jun 26 08:17:35 <superlinux-hp> RyanM, I am getting false alarms in the google play developer console
Jun 26 08:17:57 <RyanM> false alarms?
Jun 26 08:18:00 <superlinux-hp> yes..
Jun 26 08:18:12 <icetooth> yeah, unless you do something weird like write a  wrapper for androids native stl library, that would be silly though
Jun 26 08:18:35 <icetooth> sleepy time
Jun 26 08:18:55 <superlinux-hp> RyanM, like i have people who still send me Crash reports on older versions
Jun 26 08:19:29 <superlinux-hp> and i have made like 6 updates since that version.
Jun 26 08:19:29 <RyanM> I'm not super familiar with the developer console - is it possible to filter reports by version?
Jun 26 08:19:39 <superlinux-hp> yes you can
Jun 26 08:19:50 <superlinux-hp> it's simple, mate!
Jun 26 08:20:11 <superlinux-hp> it's just there online.
Jun 26 08:20:33 <RyanM> I'm aware of it's existence, I just haven't ever used it :-)
Jun 26 08:20:39 <RyanM> *its
Jun 26 08:20:50 <superlinux-hp> RyanM, it looks like you are not the one who takes care of the publishing process
Jun 26 08:21:01 <superlinux-hp> anyway its ok
Jun 26 08:21:06 <superlinux-hp> *it's
Jun 26 08:21:26 <RyanM> correct :-) everything I've worked on was either not destined for play store release or published by someone else
Jun 26 08:21:49 <superlinux-hp> RyanM,  i had the office experience.
Jun 26 08:22:14 <superlinux-hp> now i am working alone for myself. and i love it.
Jun 26 08:23:07 <superlinux-hp> now i know all about this mobile business
Jun 26 08:42:06 <Quest> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17315289/code-reuse-in-methods-class-vs-strategy-pattern-and-dependency-injection
Jun 26 08:43:42 <monsti> Quest: i use all of the stuff
Jun 26 08:44:09 <Quest>  views and comments appreciated ^
Jun 26 08:44:17 <monsti> Quest: i have static methods that retrn single values or does convenient stuff like "Strings.isNullOrEmpty"
Jun 26 08:44:50 <monsti> Quest: for database stuff i have interfaces and i use dependency injection (via roboguice) to create implementations
Jun 26 08:44:50 <Quest> monsti,  hmm but as i said Some people would say Unit test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_testing wont be possible with this approach, will make trouble in swaping out latter. if you want to test your class and use a mock version of the dependency
Jun 26 08:44:50 <Quest> 1.a. Will there be any problems with concurrent calls or multiple classes? specially in JDBC static methods for just an example?
Jun 26 08:45:10 <Quest> monsti,  why not use static methods for DB also?
Jun 26 08:45:19 <monsti> Quest: i don#t use static methods for dataaccess
Jun 26 08:45:27 <Quest> why
Jun 26 08:45:48 <monsti> @Inject ICustomerService mCustomerService;
Jun 26 08:45:49 <Quest> ?
Jun 26 08:46:10 <Quest> is there a problem in using static methods for db?
Jun 26 08:46:12 <monsti> and the roboguice framework will create an instance of the interface
Jun 26 08:46:14 <zhulikas> static methods for db? that's just wrong.
Jun 26 08:46:23 <zhulikas> you need to dispose of connection
Jun 26 08:46:26 <Quest> why wrong?
Jun 26 08:46:27 <monsti> no but i decided aganist this
Jun 26 08:46:37 <monsti> Quest: i use the same service oriented pattern as in PC programs
Jun 26 08:46:41 <Quest> zhulikas,  the method dispposes off it self
Jun 26 08:46:43 <zhulikas> Quest, you're wasting everyones and your own time
Jun 26 08:46:44 <monsti> i have mCustomerService.loadCustomers();
Jun 26 08:47:04 <Quest> zhulikas,  just discussing....... and hounoring comments
Jun 26 08:47:13 <Quest> zhulikas,  why statics in db is wrong?
Jun 26 08:47:14 <zhulikas> what you are asking is "tell me the perfect solution to solve all world problems and cure cancer"
Jun 26 08:47:21 <monsti> zhulikas: 42
Jun 26 08:47:27 <zhulikas> why don't you just code it and see if it works
Jun 26 08:47:31 <Quest> zhulikas, no. iam discussing problems with strategies
Jun 26 08:47:32 <zhulikas> and then refactor if needed
Jun 26 08:47:46 <Quest> zhulikas,  it works both ways. the question is. which way is better
Jun 26 08:47:58 <Quest> zhulikas,  why statics in db is wrong?
Jun 26 08:48:04 <monsti> Quest: the service oriented architecture in combination with robojuice will solve the Context problem in android
Jun 26 08:48:14 <jinzo> Hello. I'm trying to write a JNI snipet that uses OpenCV and returns an OpenCV type (Mat) that is both in Java OpenCV bindings and c++ bindings. Does anyone have experiance with JNI returning non-basic types?
Jun 26 08:48:26 <monsti> Quest: e.g. a database connection is bundled to the current context - so if it dies the db is closed propery
Jun 26 08:48:39 <zhulikas> Quest, because then you'd need to do something like this: methods.OpenConnection(); methods.DoSomeShit(); methods.CloseConnection(); instead of using (methods) { methods.DoSomeShit(); }
Jun 26 08:48:40 <monsti> Quest: static stuff is bad e.g. if you have threads
Jun 26 08:48:43 <Quest> monsti,  ya but thats only android
Jun 26 08:48:58 <zhulikas> oh wait
Jun 26 08:49:02 <zhulikas> we're in java channel now
Jun 26 08:49:10 <monsti> Quest: yeah and any other java code is not scope of this channel
Jun 26 08:49:17 <Quest> zhulikas,  the mothod body will contain all open() do() close()
Jun 26 08:49:27 <zhulikas> Quest, and that's another bad decision you're about to make
Jun 26 08:49:35 <monsti> Quest: that's ok to but in a try/catch/finally
Jun 26 08:49:50 <zhulikas> Quest, what if you need to call two methods one after another? that would involve connecting to db twice
Jun 26 08:49:50 <monsti> which makes your code ugly ;)
Jun 26 08:49:53 <Quest> zhulikas,  the question is in context to java . android uses java. but the question is in general
Jun 26 08:50:04 <Quest> hm
Jun 26 08:50:11 <monsti> Quest: you can't use roboguice in java ;)
Jun 26 08:50:15 <monsti> only in android
Jun 26 08:50:25 <monsti> so i don't care about sharing code
Jun 26 08:50:30 <Quest> zhulikas,  that is a method making techneque then.
Jun 26 08:50:36 <monsti> from an pure economic point of view
Jun 26 08:50:40 <zhulikas> anyway, whatever works, dude :)
Jun 26 08:50:40 <monsti> DON'T try to share code
Jun 26 08:50:45 <monsti> you pay more then you gain
Jun 26 08:50:47 <zhulikas> don't try to make perfect software
Jun 26 08:51:11 <monsti> a 100.000 LoC android software is BIG software
Jun 26 08:51:28 <monsti> while 100.000 LoC for a PC software is entry level
Jun 26 08:51:54 <monsti> and sqlite vs. jdbc is very different ;)
Jun 26 08:52:02 <zhulikas> DRY principle is somehow wired in my brains though
Jun 26 08:52:05 <monsti> you might not even be able to share the SQL statements
Jun 26 08:52:11 <zhulikas> so I always share as much as I can
Jun 26 08:52:46 <monsti> code yeah - but not the communication physical layer and the db physical layer
Jun 26 08:53:15 <monsti> also the UI layer makes no sense
Jun 26 08:53:19 <monsti> so ... how much is left?
Jun 26 08:54:37 <zhulikas> I mostly have some weird helpers
Jun 26 08:55:02 <zhulikas> like this
Jun 26 08:55:05 <zhulikas>         public static bool HasAttribute<T>(MemberInfo property)
Jun 26 08:55:05 <zhulikas>         {
Jun 26 08:55:05 <zhulikas>             return property.CustomAttributes.Any(a => a.AttributeType.Equals(typeof(T)));
Jun 26 08:55:05 <zhulikas>         }
Jun 26 08:55:10 <zhulikas> but that's C#
Jun 26 08:56:11 <monsti> yes that's oK
Jun 26 08:56:26 <monsti> OR POJO OBJECTS
Jun 26 08:56:37 <monsti> sry caps
Jun 26 08:56:41 <zhulikas> or algorithms / structural patterns
Jun 26 08:57:05 <zhulikas> like, yesterday I implemented some weird abstraction over an action, which may fail and would retry again based on certain system events
Jun 26 08:57:12 <zhulikas> (in android)
Jun 26 08:57:59 <zhulikas> and have 5 different scenarios in place using a pattern
Jun 26 08:58:08 <zhulikas> you may call it Strategy Mutant pattern
Jun 26 09:03:37 <Divyanshu> getItemViewType(int Position) , i am passing it a value true or false and returning 1 on true and 2 on false , but it shows error , what is position in this method ?
Jun 26 09:04:55 <timroes> Pour2
Jun 26 09:06:43 <FuseOnFire> Hey, does anyone know of a android library or API that enables to play rtsp streams more performant (set some options to reduce latency) [I've tried the normal VideoView which kind of works, but has a huge delay/latency]
Jun 26 09:11:12 <skyred> So, at Asia Mobile Expo today, one of my friend asked a Firefox OS guys: what's the advantage of FireFox OS over other mobile platform. The guy answered: with Android, you can only run 10 apps, but FireFox OS lets you run more apps
Jun 26 09:12:53 <Chainfire> :')
Jun 26 09:13:34 <Mavrik> skyred, that's silly :D
Jun 26 09:14:39 <skyred> Whoever runs Mozilla now needs to stop sending those guys to conferences damaging their brand
Jun 26 09:15:16 <skyred> Here is another fun question. I asked Ubuntu Mobile guy: "how can I open a terminal?" he suggested that is not fair use of the software. LOL
Jun 26 09:20:41 <msch> is there any reason to use services and intents for communication within the same app instead of http://square.github.io/otto/ and background threads?
Jun 26 09:25:01 <alex_PP> does Firefox OS have more than 10 apps to run?
Jun 26 09:25:07 <alex_PP> ooo burn...
Jun 26 09:33:45 <Sicp> I've inserted successfully into the DB and I can see that the number of rows inserted in total is correct, matches the JSON file that I got my data from
Jun 26 09:33:55 <Sicp> but this code only produces the very last element for me, http://pastie.org/8081751
Jun 26 09:33:57 <Sicp> why is that?
Jun 26 09:34:13 <Sicp> keeps on printing the last one
Jun 26 09:34:49 <alex_PP> you need to advnace the cursor
Jun 26 09:34:56 <alex_PP> with cursor.moveToNext()
Jun 26 09:35:00 <Sicp> oh....
Jun 26 09:35:53 <pjdelport> Sicp: the usual idiom is to process rows using while (cursor.moveToNext())
Jun 26 09:36:12 <Sicp> hey! right!
Jun 26 09:36:20 <Sicp> I had that! this code is the way it is because of debugging
Jun 26 09:36:22 <shadej> how does google handle the copy right stuff?
Jun 26 09:36:31 <Sicp> that's what I had before and I still got the very last element only
Jun 26 09:36:48 <alex_PP> Sicp,  http://pastie.org/8081765
Jun 26 09:37:07 <shadej> how could you protect your app from being reproduced by somebody else?
Jun 26 09:37:16 <alex_PP> also, the int that get string takes is the colimn index, not the row
Jun 26 09:37:27 <alex_PP> see getColumnIndex for that
Jun 26 09:37:58 <pjdelport> shadej: depends what you mean
Jun 26 09:38:37 <shadej> pjdelport: assume you have built a game
Jun 26 09:38:45 <shadej> and someone did it the same way you do
Jun 26 09:39:01 <shadej> is there any way  to handle this
Jun 26 09:39:04 <shadej> ?
Jun 26 09:42:42 <StingRay_> in court
Jun 26 09:43:05 <StingRay_> can you demonstrate the ip is valid and that you created it
Jun 26 09:43:40 <shadej> StingRay_: is my question not imprtant?
Jun 26 09:43:48 <StingRay_> can you show that the other party copied that
Jun 26 09:43:48 <StingRay_> can you show definitive loss due the other party ?
Jun 26 09:44:15 <StingRay_> if answer to those 3 is yes
Jun 26 09:44:27 <StingRay_> and there is a figure attached that can be justified
Jun 26 09:44:34 <StingRay_> then thats what your are owed
Jun 26 09:45:25 <shadej> StingRay_: If someone publishes same app after you
Jun 26 09:45:38 <shadej> this is most probably a copy
Jun 26 09:45:43 <StingRay_> "same" ?
Jun 26 09:45:57 <StingRay_> is it unique and identifiable as yours ?
Jun 26 09:46:01 <shadej> StingRay_: an app that gives similar functionallity
Jun 26 09:46:10 <StingRay_> ugh
Jun 26 09:46:20 <StingRay_> is that functionality unique, and yours
Jun 26 09:46:32 <StingRay_> cause if not, there is no point
Jun 26 09:47:01 <pjdelport> shadej: if they took your code and copied, modified, or built on it, it would be a copyright violation
Jun 26 09:47:13 <pjdelport> and you could make an infringment claim against them
Jun 26 09:47:17 <pjdelport> same for your artwork, or other creative work
Jun 26 09:47:29 <shadej> StingRay_: The cheater is a human he can copy the whole thing and add some functionalities and or remove some of your functionalities too
Jun 26 09:47:44 <StingRay_> your missing the point
Jun 26 09:48:01 <StingRay_> if android can do a,b,c,d,e as standard and thats available to anyone
Jun 26 09:48:03 <pjdelport> if they just execute the same idea, though, and do it independently, they're fine: you can't copyright an idea, only an expression of it
Jun 26 09:48:10 <StingRay_> and you do d e a c b
Jun 26 09:48:24 <StingRay_> and some else does d e a c b
Jun 26 09:48:27 <StingRay_> you have no case
Jun 26 09:48:35 <Sicp> ok, so cursor.getCount() is coming back as 1, I obviously am expecting something like 79
Jun 26 09:48:51 <Sicp> so getCount() isn't what I'm looking for as far as counting the results that came back goes
Jun 26 09:49:55 <StingRay_> actually, scrap that, if you in the US you could have a case for anything,
Jun 26 09:49:57 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 09:50:22 <pjdelport> Sicp: no, it probably is
Jun 26 09:50:31 <pjdelport> you'll need to find out why only 1 row is getting returned
Jun 26 09:50:35 <Sicp> I see
Jun 26 09:50:43 <pjdelport> either the SELECT is too restrictive, or the data isn't there
Jun 26 09:50:45 <Sicp> guessed as much; alright, let me see
Jun 26 09:51:04 <pjdelport> did you do the writes in a transaction, and if so, did you commit it?
Jun 26 09:51:09 <StingRay_> Sicp: go though some  db tuts
Jun 26 09:51:15 <StingRay_> they will show you most things
Jun 26 09:52:35 <Sicp> it's the way of inserting
Jun 26 09:53:16 <Sicp> http://pastie.org/8081804
Jun 26 09:53:24 <Sicp> 52,53,54
Jun 26 09:54:02 <StingRay_> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidSQLite/article.html
Jun 26 09:54:41 <pjdelport> StingRay_: I solved my problem from yesterday, by the way
Jun 26 09:54:51 <StingRay_> what was that ?
Jun 26 09:55:03 <Maziz> content providers FTW
Jun 26 09:55:16 <pjdelport> the binding thing
Jun 26 09:55:29 <pjdelport> with a ListView subclass that sets a flag around the invocation of onMeasure(), to suppress the spurious adapter bindings
Jun 26 09:57:13 <pjdelport> I need to file an upstream bug about, this, though
Jun 26 09:57:38 <Sicp> I know what he's saying in that tutorial, but the thing is here I guess I am inserting the contentValues as one....thing
Jun 26 09:58:01 <StingRay_> pjdelport: it's not really a bug
Jun 26 09:58:08 <StingRay_> and it's talked about
Jun 26 09:58:15 <StingRay_> openly by google
Jun 26 09:58:26 <StingRay_> same thing happens on any "scroll"
Jun 26 09:58:30 <StingRay_> i think
Jun 26 09:58:46 <StingRay_> it has to call an get content to know the size before it gets to it
Jun 26 09:59:01 <StingRay_> and it's not like a scanline method either
Jun 26 09:59:13 <StingRay_> I call it scanline comming from an art bg  :)
Jun 26 09:59:24 <StingRay_> i actually mean linear
Jun 26 10:00:10 <StingRay_> pjdelport: have you see the 2010 google io listview talk ?
Jun 26 10:00:17 <StingRay_> they even talk about it there
Jun 26 10:00:34 <StingRay_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBM6wVEO70
Jun 26 10:00:46 <Sicp> it's correct what I'm doing!
Jun 26 10:00:52 <Sicp> made me doubt myself, tsk tsk
Jun 26 10:02:08 <StingRay_> pjdelport:  go to 13:00 in that vid
Jun 26 10:02:10 <StingRay_> onwards
Jun 26 10:04:29 <pjdelport> StingRay_: I'll check, but i think this is probably a different issue than what they talk about
Jun 26 10:04:48 <Issac> which vid? repeat? I like videos
Jun 26 10:04:58 <Issac> StingRay_
Jun 26 10:05:59 <Issac> BTW is the romainguy the real one in GoogleIO talks?
Jun 26 10:06:01 <Issac> :O
Jun 26 10:06:31 <Chainfire> I've been told he always sends a stunt double to I/O and stays home himself
Jun 26 10:07:35 <Issac> arreh someone can fake him na?
Jun 26 10:07:37 <pjdelport> StingRay_: yeah, i'm familiar with all the caveats the video is pointing out so far
Jun 26 10:07:42 <Issac> that was what i was talking Chainfire
Jun 26 10:08:00 <Chainfire> Issac joking aside, the romainguy in this channel is the same Romain Guy you see at I/O
Jun 26 10:08:08 <Chainfire> or at least his computer ;)
Jun 26 10:08:10 <StingRay_> pjdelport: do you do anything that would alter the listView bounds size to change ?
Jun 26 10:08:21 <pjdelport> StingRay_: nope
Jun 26 10:08:27 <Issac> romainguy: It's pleasure to meet you sir! A real pleasure :D
Jun 26 10:08:31 <Issac> Wow Chainfire :D
Jun 26 10:08:36 <StingRay_> cause every pixel would force a re-check i think
Jun 26 10:08:58 <pjdelport> all the code i have already just relies on SimpleCursorAdapter's getView() implementation of converting the view as necessary, etc.
Jun 26 10:09:21 <pjdelport> this is only about calls to bindView()
Jun 26 10:10:26 <StingRay_> did you put a scroll listener on it or something
Jun 26 10:10:35 <StingRay_> to say not do sh*t if scrolling
Jun 26 10:10:44 <StingRay_> or faster than x
Jun 26 10:19:39 <mechanicalduck_> hi
Jun 26 10:20:02 <mechanicalduck_> I want to ask if it is possible to write an app which sends some audio over a bluetooth headset
Jun 26 10:20:20 <mechanicalduck_> Is this possible or is all this stuff already lowlevel and not reachable by an app?
Jun 26 10:23:05 <StingRay_> I dont know, but is that not something the system decides on ?
Jun 26 10:23:07 <pjdelport> StingRay_: i guess the real problem here is that bindView isn't actually exposed as part of the ListAdapter interface
Jun 26 10:23:45 <pjdelport> it's purely internal to CursorAdapter, and similar, so there's no way for ListView itself to separate the view initialization and pure binding
Jun 26 10:23:57 <StingRay_> oh your using cursorAdapter ?
Jun 26 10:24:18 <pjdelport> StingRay_: well, a subclass of it
Jun 26 10:24:21 <StingRay_> fk that use a baseAdapter setup how you want
Jun 26 10:24:53 <StingRay_> I think the only time I use a cursorAdapter now is for the autocompleteTexty thingys
Jun 26 10:25:00 <StingRay_> not to power listViews
Jun 26 10:25:47 <StingRay_> and thats only cause I couldn't be arsed learning anymore that day (like filters implemented in my baseAdapter)
Jun 26 10:25:47 <pjdelport> i use a ResourceCursorAdapter subclass
Jun 26 10:26:24 <pjdelport> it's sufficient
Jun 26 10:29:08 <mechanicalduck_> StingRay_: so one cannot send custom audio over a bluetooth headset?
Jun 26 10:29:32 <Issac> why?
Jun 26 10:29:45 <Issac> mechanicalduck: whY not?
Jun 26 10:29:45 <StingRay_> mechanicalduck_: what I mean is it needs to support the audio streamy stuff, and not just be a voice phone one
Jun 26 10:29:48 <StingRay_> i think
Jun 26 10:30:13 <StingRay_> then the system just plays audio over normal … and goes to bt headset
Jun 26 10:30:19 <Issac> API18 will have a lot more bluetooth function
Jun 26 10:30:20 <Issac> s
Jun 26 10:30:22 <StingRay_> whats it called, ad2p or something ?
Jun 26 10:30:27 <StingRay_> a2dp
Jun 26 10:30:32 <StingRay_> adp2
Jun 26 10:30:35 <StingRay_> fk knows
Jun 26 10:30:38 <Issac> google IO said so. a2dp
Jun 26 10:30:51 <StingRay_> haha…1st guess :)
Jun 26 10:30:58 <StingRay_> oh no….second :(
Jun 26 10:31:07 <Issac> lol :P
Jun 26 10:32:21 <mechanicalduck_> API18?
Jun 26 10:32:32 <mechanicalduck_> Do bluetooth headsets always got A2DP, too?
Jun 26 10:32:38 <p_l> mechanicalduck_: no
Jun 26 10:32:44 <p_l> headset is separate thing from a2dp
Jun 26 10:33:14 <Issac> mechanicalduck API level 18 will be released in few months, GoogleIO2013 said
Jun 26 10:33:16 <p_l> headset is for voice comms, a2dp is more towards music and such (but can be combined)
Jun 26 10:35:00 <mechanicalduck_> ok
Jun 26 10:35:00 <mechanicalduck_> But it would be possible to send a custom audio file over a bluetooth headset?
Jun 26 10:35:00 <mechanicalduck_> Which is already connected and happy etc
Jun 26 10:35:00 <mechanicalduck_> a phone call relayed over the headset would be audio, too
Jun 26 10:35:00 <mechanicalduck_> and can one also listen on a bluetooth headset?
Jun 26 10:35:00 <Sicp> I need to have a composite primary key in a certain table
Jun 26 10:35:02 <mechanicalduck_> because a bluetooth headset got speaker+microfon.
Jun 26 10:35:40 <Sicp> the syntax should be CREATE TABLE something (column1, column2, column3, PRIMARY KEY(column1, column2))
Jun 26 10:35:42 <StingRay_> mechanicalduck_: your kinda missing what ppl are telling you, in short, if the headset supports it, yes
Jun 26 10:36:26 <Sicp> but when I have some column repeating its value, I still get that its value should be unique (while it shouldn't complain because I'm looking for the combination of those two columns, not for 1 value of them being a primary key in itself
Jun 26 10:37:25 <StingRay_> Sicp: http://sqlfiddle.com/
Jun 26 10:37:30 <StingRay_> play with it :)
Jun 26 10:37:32 <StingRay_> tis fun
Jun 26 10:37:44 <Sicp> applies to SQLite?
Jun 26 10:37:50 <StingRay_> indeed
Jun 26 10:38:00 <StingRay_> you can change to most SQL standards
Jun 26 10:38:09 <StingRay_> helped me tonnes when learning
Jun 26 10:38:15 <StingRay_> and figuring out sh*t
Jun 26 10:38:40 <StingRay_> rather than testing in app which takes…..for…………eva
Jun 26 10:40:56 <StingRay_> anyone using multiproject (library) setup with  AS + ant ?
Jun 26 10:42:32 <primski> anyone using android studio ... i get  cannot resolve symbol R - do i need to import something or set up system path or ... ?
Jun 26 10:42:42 <primski> os linux
Jun 26 10:44:18 <xastey> how on earth do I remove the background from when the keyboard is closed
Jun 26 10:44:23 <xastey> is that the window background?
Jun 26 10:49:51 <StingRay_> xastey: huh?
Jun 26 10:50:13 <xastey> nvm StingRay_ it was my window background
Jun 26 11:03:03 <primski> what OSes you guys use? i am on Mint, gnome/cinnamon for a while now and need something more lightweight .... am thinking xfce, you guys know if Android Stuido/Eclipse work the same there?
Jun 26 11:03:24 <Issac> Win7. It's good enough\
Jun 26 11:03:39 <Issac> I have a mac too.. but i use that just for video editing
Jun 26 11:03:39 <alex_PP> arch with xfce, seems to work fine
Jun 26 11:03:49 <primski> meh, i dont need win7 in my laptop, i do have it on dekstop but for other purposes completely
Jun 26 11:04:10 <primski> thanks alex_PP i'll probably try ubuntu xfce or something
Jun 26 11:04:15 <Issac> arch? fedora is the most stable linux distro (y)
Jun 26 11:04:41 <Issac> I used to use ubuntu but it crashes quite frequently
Jun 26 11:05:10 <Issac> I dont know if fedora have xfce or not. I use gnome
Jun 26 11:05:28 <primski> i'll go with debian based, am used to apt now :)
Jun 26 11:05:47 <primski> anyone tried this one ? http://crunchbang.org/
Jun 26 11:07:56 <alex_PP> i started with arch years ago
Jun 26 11:07:59 <alex_PP> and never switched
Jun 26 11:08:12 <alex_PP> was on a really old toughbook that i wnated to use
Jun 26 11:08:18 <alex_PP> seems the best fit
Jun 26 11:08:54 <primski> yea, i hear arch is the most customizable and stuff, but i'm at a point where i don't want to play with my os all day, i'd rather get something done or do something else
Jun 26 11:09:01 <primski> i like mint for this reason and its familiar
Jun 26 11:09:09 <primski> but this laptop is getting slow, need something more lightweight
Jun 26 11:11:02 <mniip> "Exception raised during rendering: Color value '@color/text_color' must start with #"
Jun 26 11:11:03 <mniip> <color name="text_color">#000000</color>
Jun 26 11:11:10 <mniip> what am i doing wrong
Jun 26 11:12:36 <Issac> '<color name="text_color">#000000</color>' is this supposed to be xml?
Jun 26 11:12:52 <mniip> yes
Jun 26 11:12:57 <mniip> it's in colors.xml
Jun 26 11:13:42 <mniip> it does render, and it does render correctly, and the apk works, but wth is that warning about
Jun 26 11:15:34 <pjdelport> mniip: where else are you referring to that?
Jun 26 11:16:01 <pjdelport> the message is probably from using "@color/text_color" somewhere where resource references aren't supported
Jun 26 11:16:40 <pjdelport> (so it's trying to interpret that directly as a string)
Jun 26 11:16:44 <mniip> well, i have a TextView with android:textColor="@color/text_color"
Jun 26 11:17:27 <pjdelport> mniip: anywhere else?
Jun 26 11:17:35 <mniip> no
Jun 26 11:17:46 <pjdelport> where does the exception say it's coming from?
Jun 26 11:18:07 <dck28> hey guys… can anyone shed some light on what's the best way to junit test for android?
Jun 26 11:18:16 <primski> so do i need to "import android.R;" or should this be automatic?
Jun 26 11:18:47 <pjdelport> primski: you don't want that
Jun 26 11:18:56 <mniip> pjdelport, it doesn't
Jun 26 11:19:11 <pjdelport> primski: that will probably shadow your application's own R class
Jun 26 11:19:25 <primski> yea, that's what i though ....i didn't have to eclipse and am now trying out Android Studio .... will go back to eclipse i guess
Jun 26 11:19:54 <pjdelport> you'll want to use "R.foo.bar" for your own resources, and "android.R.foo.bar" for system resources
Jun 26 11:20:41 <mniip> pjdelport, if i replace the color with "#000000", the warning is gone
Jun 26 11:20:41 <primski> I get R is undefined or something
Jun 26 11:20:44 <primski> cannot resolve
Jun 26 11:21:02 <mniip> but the auto-complete allowed me to use @color/text_color, so i assumed i can
Jun 26 11:23:28 <okamis_> I need help with importing an aosp project and building it, https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Mms/ it complains that some files are missing and old imports
Jun 26 11:26:38 <pjdelport> primski: that should be your application's R class
Jun 26 11:26:48 <pjdelport> if it's missing, it hasn't been built
Jun 26 11:26:56 <pjdelport> is the project set up right?
Jun 26 11:27:29 <pjdelport> mniip: android:textColor="@color/text_color" should be correct
Jun 26 11:27:34 <primski> i dont know ... i had it working in eclipse and am now trying out Android Studio and it just doesn't work .... i don't think it generated any files, am trying to figure out why
Jun 26 11:27:58 <pjdelport> primski: did you create a new project in AS?
Jun 26 11:28:02 <primski> yes
Jun 26 11:28:03 <pjdelport> or try to import it?
Jun 26 11:28:06 <primski> new
Jun 26 11:28:26 <pjdelport> did you make it an Android project, and not just Java, or such?
Jun 26 11:28:49 <pjdelport> it should work, if created correctly
Jun 26 11:29:01 <mniip> for some reason shift+numpad doesn't work in eclipse :/
Jun 26 11:29:14 <pjdelport> (i'm not too familiar with AS further, so someone else may have to help you with the details of that)
Jun 26 11:34:54 <mdev> bad news guys
Jun 26 11:35:03 <mdev> http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/06/25/barnes-noble-finally-gives-up.aspx
Jun 26 11:35:07 <mdev> nook is done.
Jun 26 11:35:24 <mdev> so nook app store which I read was avenue to make money with android
Jun 26 11:35:29 <mdev> probably gonna dry up soon
Jun 26 11:35:52 <primski> so new project .... it will generate R classes and stuff in gen/ folder right but it won't do so if you have errors in code, right? So how can I fix errors in code if there is no R class, i don't get it
Jun 26 11:42:51 <zhulikas> primski, it won't generate R if you have errors in XML
Jun 26 11:42:54 <zhulikas> but not in code
Jun 26 11:45:13 <primski> it doesn't say there are errors in xml ... there are errors in code though, mostly where i referrence R.drawables or R.layout
Jun 26 11:55:07 <okamis_> saw an import "android.location.country;" but I cant find the api for it in developers.android
Jun 26 11:57:54 <msch> any reason to use activities and not just lots of fragments and only one activity?
Jun 26 11:58:13 <misterli> hmm.. i've a question. I ve a Class which creates an object of class newClass. newClass has a function which uses a AsyncHttpResponseHandler. When i use newClassObj.thisFunction(blabla, new AsyncHttpResonseHandler()) within my Class A then it wont get executed. It may be because the GBC clean the Class A, right? If i writ straight into the newClass new AsyncResponseHandler() {...} then it
Jun 26 11:58:13 <misterli> works like a charme.
Jun 26 11:59:51 <belgianguy> anyone here versed in what Miracast is, and what's Samsung doing with AllShare Cast?
Jun 26 12:00:32 <belgianguy> it still seems so low-profile, and not much devices support it yet AFAIK
Jun 26 12:05:23 <primski> meh, i'm going back to eclipse ... somebody call me when AS is dumb proof
Jun 26 12:14:02 <primski> now it doenst even work in eclipse anymore
Jun 26 12:14:09 <primski> few updates too many i guess
Jun 26 12:14:17 <primski> meh, i'm done with this shit for today
Jun 26 12:15:43 <progzer> Excuse me, is there a doc describing the values seen when the "show touch" debug option is switch on in device settings?
Jun 26 12:15:53 <progzer> What's the red part of the line?
Jun 26 12:26:47 <misterli> is it not possible to create an object with new AsyncHttpResponseHandler() {} as param?
Jun 26 12:34:02 <Quest> I have changed the edittext ids in .xml but in .class i cannot find the R.id.myedittext    . its giving me an error
Jun 26 12:38:01 <bluesm> What is the key to build alarm application ?
Jun 26 12:38:12 <bluesm> Morning alarm
Jun 26 12:38:52 <dck28> hey… anyone using robolectric can tell me whether the setup is IDE independent? say if I set up the paths exactly the same way it is intended to on Android Studio, pushing it to a repo, will I be about to clone it and compile and build in eclipse?
Jun 26 12:40:29 <dck28> and… when robolectric implemented, will the resulting apk build for release include the extra testing dependencies? in other words, is it well isolated in the final build from the testing framework? thanks
Jun 26 12:43:00 <StingRay_> bluesm: ?
Jun 26 12:43:32 <bluesm> StingRay_: I mean this is intrusive app.
Jun 26 12:43:43 <StingRay_> have a look on the store
Jun 26 12:43:48 <StingRay_> there are 1000's
Jun 26 12:43:50 <bluesm> StingRay_: And I wonder if you could create one like that.
Jun 26 12:44:25 <bluesm> StingRay_: Ok. But what is the certainty that you service will not be killed ?
Jun 26 12:44:41 <StingRay_> none
Jun 26 12:44:52 <bluesm> StingRay_: I understand that every one of those 1000's apps create new service that keeps track of time.
Jun 26 12:47:28 <bluesm> StingRay_: And consider that. You use one of the alarm app, and the service is killed somehow. And then your user of app don't get up early enough for the trip to USA, and because of that he lost a lot of money, and then without money he can't afford buy his girlfriend present, and then this girlfriend dump him, and then he commit suicide.
Jun 26 12:47:43 <mikedg> do you really need a service for your alarm app?
Jun 26 12:47:49 <mikedg> isn't that why we have AlarmMAnager
Jun 26 12:48:04 <bluesm> And it is all developer's fault!
Jun 26 12:48:12 <mikedg> bluesm: then you can make an app to console girlfriends with dead boyfriends
Jun 26 12:48:16 <mikedg> sell it for $9.99
Jun 26 12:50:40 <bluesm> mikedg: You are genius. The death of boyfriend is not the tragedy. It is  OPPORTUNITY.
Jun 26 12:50:55 <mikedg> correct
Jun 26 12:51:00 <mikedg> make more apps to kill people
Jun 26 12:52:03 <StingRay_> but only stupid people
Jun 26 12:52:11 <StingRay_> keep the intellegent ones
Jun 26 12:52:22 <audren> hello
Jun 26 12:52:32 <bluesm> StingRay_: What do you mean ?
Jun 26 12:53:05 <StingRay_> was a jk
Jun 26 12:53:12 <StingRay_> bluesm: still dont get your point though
Jun 26 12:53:32 <audren> could anyone help me with Equalizer class?
Jun 26 12:53:33 <StingRay_> all the alarm apps I have used work fine
Jun 26 12:54:26 <mikedg> i dont use 3rd party alarm apps because people are idiots
Jun 26 12:54:34 <mikedg> devs are idiots
Jun 26 12:54:38 <mikedg> they all are
Jun 26 12:54:48 <mikedg> ive had good success with stock android never gonna try another one
Jun 26 12:54:56 <mikedg> palm screwed up the alarm on the pre when it first came out
Jun 26 12:55:02 <ynezz> you don't like to sleep well?
Jun 26 12:55:18 <ynezz> sometimes it means you're late, but who cares
Jun 26 12:56:38 <StingRay_> fk they still not fixed android studio with latest update
Jun 26 12:56:40 <StingRay_> ugh
Jun 26 12:56:54 <bluesm> StingRay_: p
Jun 26 12:56:59 <StingRay_> this is not bordering on eclipse level problems and frequencey
Jun 26 12:57:02 <mikedg> android studio should just be renamed rape studio
Jun 26 12:57:11 <bluesm> StingRay_: First of all. How long your service could run ?
Jun 26 12:57:13 <mikedg> StingRay_: isn't it still like 0.0.17 or something
Jun 26 12:57:21 <StingRay_> mikedg: well it was fine at 15
Jun 26 12:57:28 <StingRay_> 16 suxs
Jun 26 12:57:31 <Mement> How do you make your media player stop/pause when outside of the app?
Jun 26 12:57:37 <StingRay_> and 17 dont fix the suxs
Jun 26 12:57:49 <mikedg> 15 was terrible, you still couldnt stop logcat from scrolling
Jun 26 12:57:56 <mikedg> to bottom with every new line
Jun 26 12:57:59 <bluesm> StingRay_: Second of all, could you wake up phone your app visible (or interrupt other apps that are running at the moment)
Jun 26 12:58:04 <audren> could anyone help me with  equalizer.getNumberOfPresets(); return 0? How to I make set presets on equalizer?
Jun 26 12:58:07 <bluesm> StingRay_:  Such as dialer app ?
Jun 26 12:58:10 <StingRay_> mikedg: that is a tiny prob , not like R not generating no more
Jun 26 12:58:19 <StingRay_> unless you do a full re-build
Jun 26 12:58:29 <ynezz> heh
Jun 26 12:58:29 <StingRay_> then deploy, but then R gone again next time
Jun 26 12:58:34 <StingRay_> fkin thing!
Jun 26 12:59:50 <StingRay_> bluesm: are you intentionally attempting to either A ) create malware or B ) fk off the user ?
Jun 26 12:59:52 <StingRay_> lol
Jun 26 12:59:57 <StingRay_> cause it sounds like it
Jun 26 13:00:12 <bluesm> StingRay_: Not exactly.
Jun 26 13:00:20 <StingRay_> not far off though ;)
Jun 26 13:00:20 <bluesm> StingRay_: Maybe fk off the user.
Jun 26 13:01:24 <bluesm> StingRay_: Couse I want to make the timer app, that user would assign timers to task they make.
Jun 26 13:01:33 <bluesm> StingRay_: And the app will report how much time left.
Jun 26 13:01:49 <StingRay_> you mean like the clock android has now ?
Jun 26 13:01:55 <StingRay_> with timer built in ?
Jun 26 13:01:56 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:01:59 <bluesm> StingRay_: Motivational app for myself. Yes. I want fk off myself
Jun 26 13:02:37 <bluesm> StingRay_:  + Tasks , + interrupts at 1/4 2/4 3/4 of time left.
Jun 26 13:02:52 <StingRay_> you mean like the clock has now ?
Jun 26 13:03:37 <bluesm> StingRay_: My clock don't have even stopper.
Jun 26 13:03:43 <audren> anyone knows about equalizer class?
Jun 26 13:03:48 <StingRay_> android one does
Jun 26 13:03:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:04:01 <StingRay_> and countdown timers
Jun 26 13:04:08 <StingRay_> and notifications of said timers
Jun 26 13:04:18 <StingRay_> as do most of the manuf. variants now too
Jun 26 13:04:45 <StingRay_> although imho not as good as stock android one
Jun 26 13:04:53 <Quest> I am refering getText of an EditText in side the onClick method of a button. it says cannot refer to a non-final variable editTextEmail inside an inner class defined in a different method. I cannot make it final as I have declared it already before the onclick button handler (to set/get its value). I need the latest value of the EditText in the onClick even of button. any ideas?
Jun 26 13:05:34 <StingRay_> final EditText et = oldEditText; ?
Jun 26 13:05:47 <Quest> hm
Jun 26 13:06:16 <StingRay_> hm what ?
Jun 26 13:06:24 <bluesm> StingRay_: I do not have. And you can assign task to it ?
Jun 26 13:06:39 <bluesm> StingRay_: And run several count down timers ?
Jun 26 13:06:50 <StingRay_> no I have tasks or gtasks for that
Jun 26 13:06:55 <StingRay_> integrated with google tasks
Jun 26 13:06:58 <Quest> EditText finalEditTextEmail = editTextEmail;
Jun 26 13:06:59 <Quest> ?
Jun 26 13:06:59 <StingRay_> and yes all of that
Jun 26 13:07:13 <StingRay_> Quest: try it
Jun 26 13:07:18 <StingRay_> takes like 2 seconds
Jun 26 13:07:21 <Abhijit> i am sending email using builtin email client + sending sms on same button click. what is the best way to do it? the "choose email client" prompt goes in background hence not visible. it can be seen after cloing app.
Jun 26 13:07:26 <Quest> StingRay_,  no. still the same message.
Jun 26 13:07:32 <Abhijit> help please
Jun 26 13:07:41 <StingRay_> Quest: you didnt make it final
Jun 26 13:07:43 <StingRay_> ught
Jun 26 13:08:09 <Quest> StingRay_,  same error if i assign it inside the onclick handler. final EditText finalEditTextEmail = editTextEmail;
Jun 26 13:08:16 <Quest> StingRay_,  i did.
Jun 26 13:08:16 <StingRay_> omg
Jun 26 13:08:19 <StingRay_> make it final
Jun 26 13:08:25 <StingRay_> outside
Jun 26 13:08:28 <StingRay_> and pass in
Jun 26 13:08:33 <StingRay_> or use in
Jun 26 13:08:34 <StingRay_> rather
Jun 26 13:09:04 <Abhijit> StingRay_, write in sigle line.
Jun 26 13:09:04 <Quest> thats the point. I only want to get the latest value of edittext. and the only way is to get that value when the button is clicked. StingRay_
Jun 26 13:09:15 <StingRay_> yes
Jun 26 13:09:26 <StingRay_> good job it's a refenrence to and not a copy
Jun 26 13:10:10 <bluesm> StingRay_: Anyway. What they use to make interrupts ?
Jun 26 13:10:18 <StingRay_> or if your not gonna make any changes why not just make the editText final ?
Jun 26 13:10:22 <Quest> StingRay_,  http://pastebin.com/QC34uW3u
Jun 26 13:10:33 <StingRay_> bluesm: popups or notifications
Jun 26 13:11:15 <Quest> StingRay_,  line 34 onwards
Jun 26 13:11:20 <StingRay_> Quest: now take the word final and put it on line 5
Jun 26 13:11:32 <StingRay_> would than not solve your issues ?
Jun 26 13:12:01 <Quest> StingRay_,  that i dont want to do. as after line 5 and before line 34, the user might change it.
Jun 26 13:12:04 <Quest> edit it*
Jun 26 13:12:13 <StingRay_> so ?
Jun 26 13:12:21 <StingRay_> it's not a value
Jun 26 13:12:23 <Quest> finals are not meant to be changed..
Jun 26 13:12:27 <StingRay_> it's an edit text
Jun 26 13:12:28 <Quest> oh?
Jun 26 13:12:36 <Quest> hm. why make an edit text final?
Jun 26 13:12:41 <Quest> if value can change
Jun 26 13:13:06 <StingRay_> the value of that editText cant change
Jun 26 13:13:15 <StingRay_> the value inside the editText can
Jun 26 13:13:31 <Quest> whats the value of that editText is?
Jun 26 13:13:35 <bluesm> StingRay_:  To wake up from locked screen ?
Jun 26 13:13:37 <StingRay_> getText()
Jun 26 13:13:38 <Quest> i know the inside value thog
Jun 26 13:13:47 <Quest> the inside value is getTExt()
Jun 26 13:13:49 <StingRay_> the editText object
Jun 26 13:13:55 <StingRay_> @EditText398242
Jun 26 13:13:59 <Quest> hm
Jun 26 13:13:59 <StingRay_> or whatever
Jun 26 13:13:59 <Quest> ok
Jun 26 13:14:10 <Quest> so all should be final?
Jun 26 13:14:13 <Quest> button too?
Jun 26 13:14:22 <StingRay_> up to you
Jun 26 13:14:25 <Quest> will that make any good impact on code generaly
Jun 26 13:14:26 <Quest> ok
Jun 26 13:14:36 <StingRay_> I'm not a programmer
Jun 26 13:14:39 <StingRay_> so fk knows
Jun 26 13:14:41 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:14:54 <StingRay_> although I do think I should read more about java
Jun 26 13:15:49 <Quest> StingRay_,  i think we are good to go. http://pastebin.com/5pRAZHhw
Jun 26 13:16:26 <Quest> StingRay_,       final String s; means once its assinged a value. you cant change it
Jun 26 13:16:33 <StingRay_> I know
Jun 26 13:17:13 <StingRay_> means you cant re-use that
Jun 26 13:17:24 <StingRay_> or re-assign
Jun 26 13:19:11 <StingRay_> Quest: but as I understand the contents are fine to fk with
Jun 26 13:19:40 <StingRay_> so final String test = "CRAP";  test = test.toLowerCase(); <--- that will fail
Jun 26 13:19:45 <StingRay_> re-assignment
Jun 26 13:20:08 <StingRay_> but   test.replace("A","zzz");  will work
Jun 26 13:21:19 <Quest> hm
Jun 26 13:21:25 <StingRay_> stop saying hm
Jun 26 13:21:38 <StingRay_> dont need to know when your thinking  :)
Jun 26 13:21:48 <Quest> EditView.setText(sometext) is reassigning the textvalue of a final EditText
Jun 26 13:22:13 <Quest> isnt it
Jun 26 13:22:36 <StingRay_> what textvalue ?
Jun 26 13:22:48 <StingRay_> it;s nothing about text values
Jun 26 13:22:59 <StingRay_> it's about variables/objects
Jun 26 13:23:05 <Quest> its about seting text in an editText. the text has a value. string value
Jun 26 13:23:12 <StingRay_> yeah
Jun 26 13:23:15 <Quest> ok
Jun 26 13:23:20 <Quest> let me try
Jun 26 13:23:28 <StingRay_> try what ?
Jun 26 13:23:31 <StingRay_> you loosing me
Jun 26 13:24:55 <pragma-> losing
Jun 26 13:25:09 <pragma-> unless you need to be tightened?
Jun 26 13:25:21 <StingRay_> lol
Jun 26 13:25:30 <StingRay_> i do
Jun 26 13:25:56 <pragma-> and by the way, knowing correct grammar is knowing the difference between your shit and you're shit
Jun 26 13:26:46 <StingRay_> what's the difference between typing it if you're really not bothered and making the effort ?
Jun 26 13:27:03 <StingRay_> if your idea is pass on?
Jun 26 13:27:05 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:27:14 <StingRay_> is speed on the key ?
Jun 26 13:27:25 <StingRay_> if it can be interpreted ?
Jun 26 13:27:51 <StingRay_> on/not
Jun 26 13:27:54 <StingRay_> ugh
Jun 26 13:29:23 <StingRay_> Quest: there should be warning bells sounding for you btw, if me … who has never read a learning java book in his life… or read any kind of programming book and or been shown concepts …..well, if I think I need to learn more basic java, then your really do ;)
Jun 26 13:31:00 <Quest> :)
Jun 26 13:34:12 <denelius> android studio question - relative layout, layout_below does not appear to display correctly in the preview window but does display ok on a device. Are there any known adjustments that will correct this in the preview?
Jun 26 13:34:38 <StingRay_> bug
Jun 26 13:34:59 <denelius> k thanks for confirmation
Jun 26 13:35:03 <StingRay_> can fix it i think by adding a view above said view and deleteing it
Jun 26 13:35:08 <StingRay_> fking AS
Jun 26 13:35:11 <StingRay_> :(
Jun 26 13:39:38 <ynezz> StingRay_: http://incise.org/android-development-on-the-command-line.html
Jun 26 13:39:40 <ynezz> :)
Jun 26 13:40:28 <StingRay_> aw, but I like my UI/IDE obliviousness
Jun 26 13:40:41 <ynezz> but it's slow as hell, isn't it?
Jun 26 13:40:45 <StingRay_> that would actually require me to either know or start to learn what the fk is going on
Jun 26 13:40:46 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:41:02 <ynezz> I mean compile/deploy/test cycle is really the slowest one I've ever experienced
Jun 26 13:41:17 <StingRay_> well not normally
Jun 26 13:41:24 <StingRay_> it is for last 2 days
Jun 26 13:41:25 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 13:41:36 <ynezz> I've tried both Eclipse and AS, and AS is even worse
Jun 26 13:42:29 <StingRay_> i mean, reading, understanding and using http://incise.org/android-development-on-the-command-line.html  would just open my mind to all sorts of possabilities that are IDE'less
Jun 26 13:42:35 <StingRay_> and thats scary
Jun 26 13:43:00 <ynezz> simplicity is always scary
Jun 26 13:43:06 <StingRay_> right!!!
Jun 26 13:43:12 <ynezz> you don't need to be certified for that
Jun 26 13:43:14 <ynezz> :p
Jun 26 13:43:18 <lime> lol
Jun 26 13:43:21 <lime> take that apple!
Jun 26 13:43:32 <lime> we don't want your oversimplifiedness!
Jun 26 13:44:28 <lime> let me change that to oversimplification before i go back to idling again
Jun 26 13:49:16 <ynezz> more apples http://eclim.org/
Jun 26 13:59:07 <tnzr> the question I always have is, how do you get eclim to look like it does in the screenshots
Jun 26 14:06:40 <Unknown0BC> Hi, is there a site where you can get lots of sample programs ( source code )
Jun 26 14:07:16 <tnzr> Unknown0BC: the android SDK has tons of examples
Jun 26 14:07:50 <tnzr> you can always search for 'android' on github or something
Jun 26 14:08:09 <Unknown0BC> tnzr, does that mean i'm suppose to have it on my computer ?
Jun 26 14:08:16 <tnzr> the SDK?
Jun 26 14:08:34 <tnzr> you should have that on your computer if you plan on developing android apps
Jun 26 14:08:48 <tnzr> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Jun 26 14:09:32 <Unknown0BC> I have been playing around with developing apps using eclipse on linux.
Jun 26 14:10:05 <tnzr> cool, you shouldn't have much of an issue getting the SDK installed and the ADT plugin setup in eclipse
Jun 26 14:11:55 <Unknown0BC> tnzr, its all installed and working.
Jun 26 14:12:16 <Unknown0BC> Does that mean I have loads of example source code on my computer ?
Jun 26 14:14:02 <xan_IT> any sugestion about "java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Binary XML file line #12: Duplicate id 0x7f0a001f, tag null, or parent id 0x0 with another fragment for XXX"
Jun 26 14:15:48 <StingRay_> fix it ?
Jun 26 14:17:24 <StingRay_> cant really add anything more to the 3 things it's telling you
Jun 26 14:17:51 <StingRay_> find which one it is and fix it
Jun 26 14:22:14 <Mement> I have a media player start in an activity, when I leave the activity the media continues to play. When the user returns the to the activity where they can start/pause the Media Player, it doesn't stop. It duplicates.
Jun 26 14:22:21 <Mement> What to do?
Jun 26 14:23:01 <StingRay_> dont re-create it IF it's there and or playing ?
Jun 26 14:23:04 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 14:23:35 <Mement> if (btnMusic.isChecked() && !mPlayer.isPlaying())           mPlayer.start();
Jun 26 14:23:52 <kc8hfi> i'm having a problem understanding this error message, http://www.fpaste.org/21027/72256622/
Jun 26 14:24:21 <kc8hfi> here is the code http://www.fpaste.org/21028/22566511/
Jun 26 14:27:38 <Flaiker> Hello. I hve the following problem: In ADT I deleted my project and made a new one with the same name and identifier etc but when I run it on my phone it instantly crashes. I guess it is because the name is the same. I uninstalled the app and cleared cache but didnt help. What can I do?
Jun 26 14:29:03 <StingRay_> Flaiker: find out why it's crashing for a start
Jun 26 14:29:15 <kc8hfi> never mind, I found my problem
Jun 26 14:29:17 <StingRay_> or if you do know, actually mention it in your question would be good
Jun 26 14:30:06 <Flaiker> it shouldnt crash. I changed nothing from the standard code thats there when you start a project
Jun 26 14:30:17 <StingRay_> not what i said
Jun 26 14:30:18 <StingRay_> or asked
Jun 26 14:30:56 <Flaiker> ok
Jun 26 14:30:59 <Flaiker> to answer your question
Jun 26 14:31:04 <Flaiker> i dont know why its crashing
Jun 26 14:31:12 <StingRay_> thats why I said find out
Jun 26 14:31:23 <Flaiker> thats why i am here, to ask how
Jun 26 14:31:29 <StingRay_> how to find out ?
Jun 26 14:31:32 <Flaiker> yes
Jun 26 14:31:38 <StingRay_> look at the trace in logcat
Jun 26 14:31:38 <Flaiker> how do i find out why its crashing?
Jun 26 14:31:48 <Flaiker> ok
Jun 26 14:31:58 <StingRay_> it will be "RED"
Jun 26 14:31:59 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 14:32:43 <Flaiker> theres a lot of red. It starts with "error loading trace file: no such file or directory"
Jun 26 14:32:53 <Flaiker> loading = opening
Jun 26 14:32:54 <Flaiker> *
Jun 26 14:33:05 <StingRay_> just the stuff relating to your app
Jun 26 14:33:21 <StingRay_> read what a stack trace is too
Jun 26 14:33:35 <StingRay_> so you know whats relevant
Jun 26 14:34:02 <Flaiker> i guess FATAL EXCEPTION: MAIN is a relevant error message
Jun 26 14:35:49 <Flaiker> then java.lang.RuntimeException java.lang.NullPointerException
Jun 26 14:36:08 <StingRay_> ok well it's the entire thing
Jun 26 14:36:14 <StingRay_> but thats your exception
Jun 26 14:36:19 <StingRay_> nullPointer
Jun 26 14:36:31 <StingRay_> so have a read about what that is and what a stack trace is
Jun 26 14:41:35 <Flaiker> I see you are doing the "dont give him food but teach him agriculture"-approach,which I'm totally fine with :)
Jun 26 14:41:58 <Flaiker> stack trace seems useful but i dont think i have any code to put it in
Jun 26 14:42:42 <Flaiker> brb
Jun 26 14:43:45 <vvu> Chainfire: ping
Jun 26 14:43:48 <dragorn> stupid android studio question - about half (or more) of the time I go to run the code targetting a device, it fails because it hasn't generated (and has lost since the last time) all the R resources.  Doing a manual project->rebuild, then run, works fine every time.  Anyone seen that?  What's f'd up in my project?
Jun 26 14:44:11 <StingRay_> dragorn: bug
Jun 26 14:44:16 <StingRay_> since 0.1.6
Jun 26 14:44:23 <StingRay_> not fixed in 0.1.7
Jun 26 14:44:26 <StingRay_> still waiting
Jun 26 14:44:43 <dragorn> StingRay_: ah cool; well at least it's not just me
Jun 26 14:44:45 <dragorn> StingRay_: thanks
Jun 26 14:45:07 <StingRay_> go to preferences > compiler and turn off "use external build"
Jun 26 14:45:22 <StingRay_> will save you a bit of time rather than manually re-building everytime
Jun 26 14:45:33 <StingRay_> but still waiting on a fix :(
Jun 26 14:46:09 <dragorn> awesome, thanks
Jun 26 14:47:40 <dragorn> StingRay_: I moved a project over to AS a while ago and then wasn't working on it for a bit; wasn't sure if it was my bug or AS
Jun 26 14:50:35 <lokote_jones> Hello all. Does any one know if the apache commons libraries function under Android? If I develop using org.commons.NET will I be able to use that code in Android?
Jun 26 14:51:40 <SimonVT> d.android.com lists all packages
Jun 26 14:51:40 <fobia> Can anyone tell me how to use the roboto-thin normal style font? I am using font family "sans-serif-thin" but its italic by default .
Jun 26 14:53:29 <Mavrik> lokote_jones, according to quite a few sources the Apache Commons should work
Jun 26 14:57:02 <Unknown0BC> Has anyone here ever manage to send and email form an application ? ( without using intent )
Jun 26 14:57:08 <lokote_jones> Mavrik: Thank you!
Jun 26 14:57:10 <Unknown0BC> an* mail
Jun 26 14:57:18 <Unknown0BC> an* email
Jun 26 14:57:22 <Unknown0BC> damn
Jun 26 14:57:25 <StingRay_> Unknown0BC: using user account ?
Jun 26 14:57:29 <Unknown0BC> :\
Jun 26 14:57:38 <StingRay_> or any account ?
Jun 26 14:57:49 <Unknown0BC> using a user account.
Jun 26 14:57:53 <StingRay_> no
Jun 26 14:57:58 <StingRay_> and that would be bad if you could
Jun 26 14:58:00 <Unknown0BC> or other.
Jun 26 14:58:01 <StingRay_> and wrong
Jun 26 14:58:11 <StingRay_> an account I control then yes
Jun 26 14:58:13 <Unknown0BC> I would like any method of sending an email.
Jun 26 14:58:31 <Unknown0BC> apart from using intent.
Jun 26 14:58:48 <StingRay_> well no, just an smtp lib
Jun 26 14:58:54 <StingRay_> sending direct
Jun 26 14:59:14 <timroes> but ofc that way you would need the users credential that you luckily can't just grab from the user account on the device
Jun 26 14:59:14 <StingRay_> well, direct to an account on an smtp server controlled by me
Jun 26 15:01:28 <sogard> Hello. I'm currently building a game engine for Android and I'm curious how to build and maybe push the APK from the source files that the engine creates.
Jun 26 15:02:05 <sogard> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Jun 26 15:03:58 <Flaiker> StingRay_: I found the error, thanks for your help. I thought they would all get caught in the error log of the ide but seemingly not.
Jun 26 15:04:17 <StingRay_> error log relates to ide errors
Jun 26 15:04:24 <StingRay_> logcat is runtime on device
Jun 26 15:06:13 <Flaiker> "TextView loginstatus = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.loginstatus);" was causing the crash
Jun 26 15:06:31 <StingRay_> good catch
Jun 26 15:07:11 <Issac> why would it?
Jun 26 15:07:21 <Issac> Flaiker : WHy would it cause crash
Jun 26 15:07:28 <Flaiker> i have no idea
Jun 26 15:07:29 <Flaiker> :D
Jun 26 15:07:36 <StingRay_> well using it if it were null
Jun 26 15:07:38 <sogard> I found out I can use ant to build. Anoyone curious can find more infor here: http://developer.android.com/tools/building/building-cmdline.html
Jun 26 15:07:53 <elegos> if I set the global background color from styles.xml, I'll recolor the action bar too. How can I prevent this? Thanks
Jun 26 15:08:07 <StingRay_> if it is that line it's maybe that no view is there to use findViewBy* on
Jun 26 15:08:31 <StingRay_> as in setContentView(someview); is after you use findViewById
Jun 26 15:08:59 <StingRay_> either or you now know the problem, and can aim towards a fix :)
Jun 26 15:10:49 <husien> hello guys
Jun 26 15:11:34 <elegos> how can I set a style to a view in the XML file? i.e. I've got a custom <style> and I want to apply to a particular View in my layout
Jun 26 15:11:56 <bluesm> Why abstract <T> T[]toArray(T[] array)      (toArray of set) get array as the parameter ?
Jun 26 15:14:17 <husien> I thought, how would produce app wallpaper automatically rotates to follow the day of the week. or automatically exchange should there be general or celebration days leave in a year.
Jun 26 15:14:31 <husien> there Anybody can teach me or guide or just give me a good web page that I can use as reference material.
Jun 26 15:14:43 <husien> This application is only for personal purpose or teamed with fellow workers who use android.
Jun 26 15:15:18 <StingRay_> husien: sounds like your asking for a personal tutor
Jun 26 15:15:27 <StingRay_> not sure this is the best place :)
Jun 26 15:15:29 <husien> haha..
Jun 26 15:15:35 <StingRay_> try freelancer.com
Jun 26 15:15:41 <husien> ok thanks
Jun 26 15:16:09 <kc8hfi> what does an "android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException" error indicate?
Jun 26 15:16:32 <SimonVT> Network On Main Thread
Jun 26 15:16:36 <SimonVT> Wonder what that means
Jun 26 15:16:36 <theelfismike> elegos - style="@style/yourStyleName"
Jun 26 15:17:00 <theelfismike> not android:style=, just style=
Jun 26 15:17:01 <StingRay_> maybe it means the thread is main and on the netwrok ?
Jun 26 15:17:16 <StingRay_> network*
Jun 26 15:17:19 <elegos> theelfismike: is it possible to let it cascade to children? Also, why isn't it style and not android:style? It's confusing!
Jun 26 15:17:21 <kc8hfi> i should have asked how to fix that instead of what it was
Jun 26 15:17:29 <StingRay_> dont do it
Jun 26 15:17:33 <StingRay_> thats the fix
Jun 26 15:17:53 <Flaiker> setContentview is before my line. I did not have the problem last time I did this but I am not sure if I did it in the same way. Just starting on android development :)
Jun 26 15:17:58 <dragorn> kc8hfi: it means you're doing blocking network IO on the main thread, and you shouldn't be doing that.  Move your IO to a service or to another thread
Jun 26 15:18:28 <pfn> hmm, transitive aar dependencies are not supported?
Jun 26 15:18:33 <kc8hfi> dragorn: oh, ok, i see
Jun 26 15:18:35 <bluesm> If I create new OnClickListener  I create new class from inteface ?
Jun 26 15:18:56 <theelfismike> elegos - it doesn't cascade - i think there was already a "style" in the standard XML namespace, so they chose to reuse that instead of redefining one and causing issues
Jun 26 15:18:57 <bluesm> And then pass this class to the android system, that call the appropriate method, in appropriate time /
Jun 26 15:18:59 <bluesm> ?
Jun 26 15:19:45 <pfn> I guess I need to collect them myself
Jun 26 15:20:16 <SimonVT> pfn: It isn't?
Jun 26 15:20:34 <pfn> SimonVT, well, the androidbuilder class doesn't navigate the dependency graph itself
Jun 26 15:20:52 <pfn> so the user of androidbuilder needs to walk it manually, and pass the graph to the builder
Jun 26 15:21:06 <bluesm> This is annonymous class that i create right ?
Jun 26 15:21:19 <theelfismike> bluesm yep, that works. you can declare your own class that implements that interface, like private class YourListener implements View.OnClickListener {
Jun 26 15:22:02 <theelfismike> you can either declare it as a separate internal (private) or external (public) class or as an anonymous inner class
Jun 26 15:22:04 <SimonVT> I'd assume it was supported in gradle
Jun 26 15:22:12 <monsti> hi
Jun 26 15:22:22 <pfn> SimonVT, gradle probably handles it as part of its plugin code
Jun 26 15:22:26 <pfn> I would hope at least
Jun 26 15:22:33 <theelfismike> anonymous like setOnClickListener(new OnClickListener() { //code });
Jun 26 15:22:40 <monsti> any rumors about the next nexus 7? i consider getting a new dev device
Jun 26 15:22:53 <SimonVT> Okay, I'm no longer worried then :p
Jun 26 15:22:57 <canadiancow> <SimonVT> [15:16:32] Network On Main Thread
Jun 26 15:22:58 <canadiancow> <SimonVT> [15:16:37] Wonder what that means
Jun 26 15:22:58 <canadiancow> +1
Jun 26 15:23:54 <monsti> +1 ;)
Jun 26 15:24:03 <bluesm> +2
Jun 26 15:24:10 <monsti> this took me some fixes on 3.x ;)
Jun 26 15:25:57 <mr_lou> Hello
Jun 26 15:26:56 <warting> I just released a new app that is really usefull I don't know how to spread a app that no one knows about but everyone probably wants, so here you go: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.warting.whatsnew :) I will happily receive any feedback for improvements!
Jun 26 15:28:41 <Flaiker> StingRay_ Isaac: Apparently I am not alowed to use "TextView loginstatus = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.loginstatus);" outside of a function/procedure
Jun 26 15:28:45 <mr_lou> That's a good idea warting.
Jun 26 15:29:08 <mr_lou> Yes, spreading it is a task in itself.
Jun 26 15:29:27 <mr_lou> Anyway, I have a coding question.
Jun 26 15:29:28 <mr_lou> I'm calling startActivity(Intent.createChooser(intent, "Share your score?")) to ask the user if he wants to share his score. How can I detect if he cancels this (by pressing the back key)?
Jun 26 15:29:29 <warting> @mr_lou thank's i thinks so to :)
Jun 26 15:30:35 <warting> maybe with startActivityForResult?
Jun 26 15:31:32 <warting> you then need to rely on the app that actually share return RESULT_OK
Jun 26 15:32:12 <mr_lou> mkay, thanks. Will take a look.
Jun 26 15:34:58 <Flaiker> So why cant I use "TextView loginstatus = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.loginstatus);" outside of a procedure? I dont want to make a new local variable in every function I use it in
Jun 26 15:35:28 <theelfismike> Flaiker make loginstatus a global variable on the Activity and set it in onCreate
Jun 26 15:36:01 <Flaiker> ah ofc, why did i not come up with this myself
Jun 26 15:36:05 <Flaiker> thank you
Jun 26 15:39:32 <misterli> is it not possible to create an object with new AsyncHttpResponseHandler() {} as param?
Jun 26 15:46:42 <mniip> how can i launch a second activity in front of first? like a dialogue box
Jun 26 15:46:55 <misterli> by using a dialogbox.
Jun 26 15:47:15 <mniip> hm, thanks
Jun 26 15:47:28 <misterli> Dialogs can use "Styles" too
Jun 26 15:48:28 <mniip> how exactly can i make a dialog out of activity?
Jun 26 15:48:47 <theelfismike> mniip or check out dialogfragment http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/DialogFragment.html
Jun 26 15:49:39 <bluesm> theelfismike: Ok. Thanks :)
Jun 26 15:50:25 <gulli> Hey! Anyone here hav e any experience working with geofencing?
Jun 26 15:51:42 <bluesm> theelfismike: So beside That i could make new methods (right in the body), i could create my class that i cold pass to the handler, that comply to particular interface
Jun 26 15:53:03 <theelfismike> bluesm, setOnClickListener() will take any class that implements that interface
Jun 26 15:53:25 <theelfismike> could be the activity itself if you really wanted it to be (although probably not a good idea)
Jun 26 15:53:50 <gulli> I've been working with the google android dev example, it's good. But I am doing an app where you can have 2 geofences at the same spot (or really near to each other). The thing is, when I am in both geofences, LocationClient.getTriggeringGeofences(intent) only gives me one of the geofenceses ><
Jun 26 15:57:47 <mniip> theelfismike, there's one problem with dialogfragment
Jun 26 15:57:57 <mniip> API level 11
Jun 26 15:58:16 <SimonVT> Support library
Jun 26 15:58:17 <SimonVT> api4
Jun 26 15:58:21 <mniip> aha
Jun 26 15:58:42 <theelfismike> make sure you import android.support.v4.app.DialogFragment
Jun 26 15:58:54 <theelfismike> (and have support library in classpath)
Jun 26 15:59:46 <mniip> i do
Jun 26 16:03:35 <mniip> ummmmmm
Jun 26 16:03:55 <mniip> google tuts don't exactly explain how to use them :C
Jun 26 16:05:03 <Bleeptech> mniip: Welcome to my world? LOL..
Jun 26 16:05:29 <mniip> i can't seem to figure out what should i copy-paste from there to make it work
Jun 26 16:05:34 <theelfismike> mniip http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/05/using-dialogfragments.html
Jun 26 16:05:52 <theelfismike> first result googling "dialogfragment example"
Jun 26 16:07:42 <StingRay_> god bless the googling skillz
Jun 26 16:09:19 <gulli> Anyone here know an easy way of getting a list of all triggering geofences?
Jun 26 16:09:39 <mniip> theelfismike, @-@
Jun 26 16:09:47 <mniip> that is much clearer, but eh
Jun 26 16:09:57 <mniip> isn't that too huge for displaying a dialog
Jun 26 16:10:21 <theelfismike> depends how complicated your dialog is
Jun 26 16:10:41 <theelfismike> if it's sufficiently complex, it's nice to encapsulate it in a fragment
Jun 26 16:10:54 <theelfismike> if it's just an "Ok/Cancel" thing, then something like AlertDialog is better
Jun 26 16:11:14 <mniip> well, there are a few input fiels
Jun 26 16:11:25 <mniip> fields
Jun 26 16:23:25 <mniip> "The method show(FragmentManager, String) in the type DialogFragment is not applicable for the arguments (FragmentManager, String)"
Jun 26 16:23:26 <mniip> wat
Jun 26 16:23:41 <SimonVT> Fix your imports
Jun 26 16:23:50 <StingRay_> *support
Jun 26 16:23:59 <theelfismike> you want FragmentManager from the support library
Jun 26 16:24:03 <theelfismike> getSupportFragmentManager();
Jun 26 16:24:45 <mniip> ah
Jun 26 16:27:43 <Asad2005> I have downloaded the stock rom of my galaxy note N7000 and extracted the tar file, there is cache,factoryfs, hidden and zimage image files in addition to modem.bin how can i flash these using fastboot?
Jun 26 16:27:54 <evanc> Asad2005: #android-root
Jun 26 16:28:09 <mniip> it finally produces no errors,
Jun 26 16:28:12 <mniip> let's see if it runs
Jun 26 16:28:17 <mniip> wee
Jun 26 16:28:19 <mniip> thanks
Jun 26 16:33:36 <lorenx> hi all. i'm tryinh to finish an activity from an OnClickListener callback of a dialog, but it seems it sin't working. the dialog method is outside the activity but i guess it should work as i pass the activity instance...
Jun 26 16:35:16 <lorenx> this is the method (outside my activity) i call and it isn't working: http://pastebin.com/GUrLVsTp
Jun 26 16:35:33 <lorenx> does anyone see something wrong? thanks
Jun 26 16:36:21 <theelfismike> lorenx you're resetting the click listener
Jun 26 16:36:21 <theelfismike> 	1.	 if (okListener != null) {
Jun 26 16:36:21 <theelfismike> 	2.	            okListener = new OnClickListener() {
Jun 26 16:36:31 <lorenx> oops :)
Jun 26 16:36:38 <lorenx> that should be "==" :D
Jun 26 16:36:44 <theelfismike> :)
Jun 26 16:36:56 <lorenx> silly me :)
Jun 26 16:37:16 <lorenx> you don't know how long i'm after it!
Jun 26 16:37:37 <lorenx> thanks
Jun 26 16:38:13 <theelfismike> ya
Jun 26 16:38:15 <theelfismike> +1
Jun 26 16:38:31 <Brian|CB> Ah Context
Jun 26 16:38:34 <theelfismike> whoops wrong window
Jun 26 16:38:35 <Brian|CB> My immortal friend.
Jun 26 16:56:57 <monsti> is it possible to add processing instructions to the voice input? e.g. "New line" or "New Page"?
Jun 26 16:58:53 <Younos> hiya folks i get a java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError on the findLibrary("square"); call in the jni ndk api
Jun 26 16:59:52 <Younos> i see that the .so file is in my project folder under: libs/armeabi/libsquared.so
Jun 26 17:00:02 <Younos> could that be the problem?
Jun 26 17:05:48 <mikedg> i got 99 problems and the stock s4 not being for sale is all of them
Jun 26 17:07:07 <Brian|CB> mikedg: Try buying asian keyboards
Jun 26 17:07:10 <Brian|CB> never in stock
Jun 26 17:07:10 <Brian|CB> ever
Jun 26 17:07:10 <Brian|CB> ever
Jun 26 17:07:11 <Brian|CB> lol
Jun 26 17:07:23 <Brian|CB> well, more like it's in stock but the model I want is pretty much non existant now
Jun 26 17:07:23 <Brian|CB> :S
Jun 26 17:07:29 <theelfismike> mikedg, supposed to be today, right?
Jun 26 17:07:34 <Brian|CB> except for one on sale for a huge markup
Jun 26 17:07:46 <mikedg> yeah
Jun 26 17:09:05 <mniip> o-O
Jun 26 17:09:20 <mniip> it's a simple app that has a few UIs
Jun 26 17:09:26 <mniip> where are 8MB of ram usage from
Jun 26 17:09:27 <mikedg> Brian|CB: so like those keyboards have like 1 million keys?
Jun 26 17:09:28 <Bleeptech> mikedg: I've got 999 problems and the lack of an S4 doesn't even make it on the list.. LOL..
Jun 26 17:10:49 <Zta> Should I use Android's TabHost & Co. or should I make my own?  I want it styled pretty detailed, and I think TabHost is pretty difficult to do that with.  Also, I want to combine it with Fragments and PageAdapter (swipe between tabs), and TabHost doens't support this by default.
Jun 26 17:11:03 <Brian|CB> mikedg: Not with chinese characters or anything
Jun 26 17:11:09 <Brian|CB> It's just a brand thats manufactured outside of the states
Jun 26 17:11:14 <Zta> So I though I might as well just add a few ImageViews and mix something up.
Jun 26 17:11:41 <Zta> Take the Facebook app for example.  Don't you think they've made their own tab implementation?
Jun 26 17:12:07 <theelfismike> Zta - I wouldn't use the facebook app as an example of the *right* thing to day
Jun 26 17:12:08 <monsti> i always have my own tab widget
Jun 26 17:12:09 <theelfismike> to do*
Jun 26 17:12:27 <Brian|CB> Zta: Thats something I struggled with.  Facebook is NOT the way to define your standard for good UI/UX on Android
Jun 26 17:12:32 <Brian|CB> Define your standard around Google apps
Jun 26 17:12:53 <Brian|CB> E.g. youtube, gmail, google play music, google play store, google+, etc.
Jun 26 17:12:58 <Zta> theelfismike, Brian|CB, well my point is that the Facebook tabs *look* really styled.
Jun 26 17:13:10 <Zta> Or Pinterest then.
Jun 26 17:13:14 <Zta> I like how that looks.
Jun 26 17:13:26 <theelfismike> Zta - I'm a fan of these tabs: https://github.com/astuetz/PagerSlidingTabStrip
Jun 26 17:13:31 <Zta> Center tab is wider than the two nearby tabs.
Jun 26 17:14:13 <Zta> theelfismike: Yes, looks good.  Is that based on TabHost?
Jun 26 17:14:32 <Zta> Or ActionBar maybe?
Jun 26 17:14:52 <SimonVT> It's just a custom view
Jun 26 17:14:55 <Zta> ActionBar can be styled very much, I think.  Which is fine I guess
Jun 26 17:15:24 <theelfismike> Zta − just a custom view
Jun 26 17:15:41 <Zta> So "no" to "based on TabHost or ActionBar"?
Jun 26 17:16:06 <theelfismike> right
Jun 26 17:16:14 <Zta> Right.
Jun 26 17:16:50 <theelfismike> combined with viewpager, you can swipe between tabs
Jun 26 17:16:51 <Zta> I didn't understand "*just* a custom view.".  Doens't seem like a thing you *just* mix up to be =)
Jun 26 17:16:56 <Zta> Yes.
Jun 26 17:17:21 <monsti> theelfismike: that's nice
Jun 26 17:18:05 <theelfismike> only issue with that lib is if width of all tabs is < screen width, you'll end up with empty space on right side of strip
Jun 26 17:19:03 <monsti> theelfismike: i just want to steal the code ;)
Jun 26 17:19:05 <TacticalJoke> I just started using Android Studio.  I'm a newbie.  I am running my app via USB debugging.  When I build a Release version, it says INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES.
Jun 26 17:19:16 <TacticalJoke> The Debug version works, though.
Jun 26 17:19:17 <monsti> theelfismike: i added a tab/slider/breadcrum style tabbar to my app
Jun 26 17:19:51 <monsti> theelfismike: i am always interessted in the API of other people - mine isn't perfect
Jun 26 17:20:13 <Brian|CB> theelfismike: From what I can tell those try to emulate the tab style of google play store
Jun 26 17:20:16 <Brian|CB> which is +1
Jun 26 17:20:24 <Brian|CB> So I'd advise looking at that Zta
Jun 26 17:21:51 <theelfismike> it works pretty well, using it in 2 apps now
Jun 26 17:22:01 <theelfismike> again with that empty space on right limitation
Jun 26 17:22:45 <TacticalJoke> Any ideas on my question?  : )
Jun 26 17:22:54 <SimonVT> Fix it and submit a pull request
Jun 26 17:24:18 <theelfismike> SimonVT - on my todo list, but i ended up adding another tab (new functionality) before I shipped, so ended up not being a big deal
Jun 26 17:24:27 <Brian|CB> theelfismike: Thats why I suggest you use Eclipse as a new developer
Jun 26 17:24:35 <Brian|CB> Eclipse has much more relevant info about issues available on Google
Jun 26 17:24:38 <Brian|CB> cause it's been around longer
Jun 26 17:24:39 <Brian|CB> :S
Jun 26 17:24:44 <TacticalJoke> Anyone?  ;o
Jun 26 17:25:01 <theelfismike> Brian|CB huh?
Jun 26 17:25:10 <Zta> Brian|CB: where do I find the sources?
Jun 26 17:25:10 <Brian|CB> woops
Jun 26 17:25:11 <Brian|CB> wrong T
Jun 26 17:25:12 <Brian|CB> lol
Jun 26 17:25:17 <Brian|CB> I meant to say that to TacticalJoke
Jun 26 17:25:21 <theelfismike> :)
Jun 26 17:25:45 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 17:25:45 <icetooth> i think android studio right now is a "pre release" right?
Jun 26 17:25:48 <TacticalJoke> Yes.
Jun 26 17:25:52 <icetooth> :\
Jun 26 17:25:54 <TacticalJoke> I kinda like it, though.
Jun 26 17:26:01 <TacticalJoke> Despite its general slowness and stuff.
Jun 26 17:26:02 <Brian|CB> It's an early access preview
Jun 26 17:26:08 <TacticalJoke> I so hate Eclipse.
Jun 26 17:26:11 <Brian|CB> TacticalJoke: I like it too , and it has progress.  I think it is the right direction
Jun 26 17:26:14 <Zta> I think it's annoying that Google don't focus their energy on Eclipse being the de-facto Android IDE.
Jun 26 17:26:15 <theelfismike> intellij works well too
Jun 26 17:26:20 <TacticalJoke> Eclipse makes me wanna commit genocide or something.
Jun 26 17:26:24 <Brian|CB> But the fact of the matter is at the moment I don't think the pros of android studio outweigh the pros of eclipse
Jun 26 17:26:25 <Brian|CB> :S
Jun 26 17:26:43 <TacticalJoke> I'm glad Google is finally making an IDE.
Jun 26 17:26:51 <theelfismike> to me, intellij is the tool to use right now - their android support is mature and AS is based on intellij's IDE
Jun 26 17:26:56 <icetooth> hahahah yeah eclipse.. oh eclipse
Jun 26 17:27:09 <Zta> I like Eclipse.
Jun 26 17:27:36 <Zta> I know it doesn't run very well on Windows, but on Linux it's a whole lot better.
Jun 26 17:27:38 <monsti> does eclipse 4.3 work with adt, yet?
Jun 26 17:28:01 <EPG> hm, shouldn't it be impossible to overlay the navigation bar (software buttons) on (latest) stock ROM?
Jun 26 17:28:30 <monsti> EPG: that's an interessting question! VLC can hide the software buttons
Jun 26 17:28:42 <monsti> but no idea how that works
Jun 26 17:28:48 <EPG> well hiding (e.g., during video play) is fine
Jun 26 17:28:58 <EPG> but afaik then they must reappear when the screen is touched
Jun 26 17:29:00 <Brian|CB> Anything is possible, it's really a question of how accessible is it.
Jun 26 17:29:06 <monsti> EPG: yes
Jun 26 17:30:27 <Zta> Brian|CB: Where can I find the source code for Google Play's tabs?
Jun 26 17:30:49 <SimonVT> Nowhere
Jun 26 17:30:52 <monsti> well you need some russians with guns for that
Jun 26 17:30:54 <Brian|CB> Zta: Idk where that would be, but the github that was linked to you attempts to emulate it
Jun 26 17:30:59 <evanc> Zta: you can apply for access to google play's source here: http://google.com/jobs
Jun 26 17:31:02 <Brian|CB> Zta: https://github.com/astuetz/PagerSlidingTabStrip
Jun 26 17:31:14 <Brian|CB> lol
Jun 26 17:31:18 <Brian|CB> evanc: I have a friend over there actually
Jun 26 17:31:23 <Brian|CB> Hes got so much cool stuff to play with
Jun 26 17:31:25 <Brian|CB> he just got a glass!
Jun 26 17:31:39 * monsti talked to a google guy some weeks ago
Jun 26 17:32:04 <Brian|CB> I've talked to alot of google guys
Jun 26 17:32:06 <Brian|CB> Idk how I feel about them
Jun 26 17:32:08 <monsti> but he's to stupid to give me a glass - even with paying customers for an app ;)
Jun 26 17:32:23 <Brian|CB> I interact with tons of people from big tech because my program is highly recruited
Jun 26 17:32:23 <Brian|CB> :S
Jun 26 17:32:23 <monsti> maybe google has too much money ;)
Jun 26 17:32:42 <Zta> Brian|CB: It's just that you advised me to look at it.  I thought you meant the source, and assumed it was available somewhere.
Jun 26 17:34:20 <monsti> is eclipse 4.3 "faster" or just "with more bugs"?
Jun 26 17:34:24 <Brian|CB> Zta: I was advising you look at the github that someone referenced you to earlier and compare the outcome of that with existing apps by google.
Jun 26 17:37:00 <pragma-> monsti: the bugs break it faster
Jun 26 17:37:11 <dzan> hi, best place to place GCM registration is in the activity which has MAIN in the manifest right?
Jun 26 17:37:30 <dzan> if the app gets updated or such will that activity always be executed fist eventough in the normal flow it wouldn't be the case?
Jun 26 17:56:23 <TacticalJoke> Hey.  If I download IntelliJ, does that come with the Android SDK?
Jun 26 17:56:32 <TacticalJoke> Just curious.
Jun 26 17:57:21 <theelfismike> no, but you can download it separately from the "Use an exising IDE" section here: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Jun 26 17:57:36 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 17:57:54 <theelfismike> or reuse the sdk if you've previously installed it
Jun 26 17:58:17 <TacticalJoke> I guess I could point it to Android Studio's version.
Jun 26 18:04:22 <TacticalJoke> I read [Caution: As of JDK 7, the default signing algorithim has changed, requiring you to specify the signature and digest algorithims (-sigalg and -digestalg) when you sign an APK.].
Jun 26 18:04:27 <TacticalJoke> How do I do that from Android Studio?
Jun 26 18:11:17 <TacticalJoke> This is a noob question, but how do I manually sign a JAR?
Jun 26 18:11:46 <StingRay_> bet place to get rapid answers to rapid questions
Jun 26 18:11:51 <StingRay_> "google search"
Jun 26 18:12:02 <sonOfRa> man jarsigner
Jun 26 18:12:21 <StingRay_> or rtfm yeah
Jun 26 18:12:33 <TacticalJoke> Grr, this is annoying.
Jun 26 18:12:42 <TacticalJoke> Android Studio isn't letting me run my app in Release mode.
Jun 26 18:12:54 <theelfismike> have you created a release keystore?
Jun 26 18:12:55 <TacticalJoke> On my phone in USB Debug thingy.
Jun 26 18:12:57 <TacticalJoke> No.
Jun 26 18:13:02 <TacticalJoke> (I'm getting INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES.)
Jun 26 18:13:21 <TacticalJoke> I guess I should do that.
Jun 26 18:13:35 <theelfismike> yeah, you need a release keystore to sign it as release
Jun 26 18:13:40 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jun 26 18:14:16 <TacticalJoke> What's the easiest way of doing that in Android Studio?
Jun 26 18:14:17 <TacticalJoke> I did google.
Jun 26 18:14:25 <TacticalJoke> I don't wanna go all command-line mode.
Jun 26 18:16:07 <theelfismike> Build -> "Generate signed APK" -> click "Create new…"
Jun 26 18:16:16 <theelfismike> (looking at intellij, not sure if it's different in AS)
Jun 26 18:16:22 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 18:16:24 <TacticalJoke> I have that option, too.
Jun 26 18:17:11 <TacticalJoke> What would the keystore path be?
Jun 26 18:17:17 <TacticalJoke> key store*
Jun 26 18:17:21 <theelfismike> click "Create new" to create a new keystore
Jun 26 18:17:37 <theelfismike> if you've never created a release one, then one doesn't exist
Jun 26 18:17:43 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jun 26 18:17:47 <theelfismike> there's a default debug one that's automatically created
Jun 26 18:19:24 <Issac> Well. Any good android videos to watch at freetime?
Jun 26 18:19:53 <Flaiker> Hello. I am trying to get the sourcecode of a website using webview. I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/14731187 but I am unable to implement it so it works. Can someone help me with that?
Jun 26 18:20:46 <theelfismike> Flaiker if you want the raw html for parsing or something, i'd recommend just doing an http request instead of messing with webview
Jun 26 18:21:03 <TacticalJoke> I'm getting "Invalid keystore format".  Grr.
Jun 26 18:21:05 <Flaiker> that was what i tried first
Jun 26 18:21:07 <StingRay_> webview sucks balls
Jun 26 18:21:10 <mniip> what component can i use for... umm... list of tuples of components
Jun 26 18:21:19 <Flaiker> but some files i want to access are behind a post login screen
Jun 26 18:21:29 <StingRay_> apps that use webview for ui really suck balls
Jun 26 18:21:43 <Flaiker> i didnt want to display it using webview
Jun 26 18:22:03 <Flaiker> just get the source to parse it and then use textview or sth
Jun 26 18:22:05 <theelfismike> StingRay_ +1 i have a heavy webview app in the store with 300k+ users and totally agree
Jun 26 18:22:07 <Brian|CB> Flaiker: What you have to do to read the HTML out of a webview is use a javascript portion to pull it out
Jun 26 18:22:19 <Brian|CB> I looked into that a couple weeks ago
Jun 26 18:22:37 <Flaiker> thats what is described in the link i posted
Jun 26 18:22:52 <Flaiker> but i cant get it to work
Jun 26 18:23:29 <StingRay_> theelfismike: what app ?
Jun 26 18:23:46 <StingRay_> cause if it half decent, i will hold my hands up
Jun 26 18:23:56 <StingRay_> but not found one yet that I would class as good
Jun 26 18:24:08 <StingRay_> but still looking…on occasion :)
Jun 26 18:25:07 <TacticalJoke> Any idea of why I'm getting "invalid keystore format" when trying to create a new key store?
Jun 26 18:25:19 <StingRay_> theelfismike: but if you have that 1, like I say, will hold my hands up :)
Jun 26 18:25:30 <theelfismike> StingRay_ it's not that great
Jun 26 18:25:39 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 26 18:25:40 <theelfismike> working to replace webview portions with native views
Jun 26 18:25:41 <TacticalJoke> I linked to my release APK for "Key store path".
Jun 26 18:25:44 <Flaiker> basically my question is regarding the code that I found here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5264162/how-to-retrieve-html-content-from-webview-as-a-string/14731187#14731187 what I need to put where, if there needs to be new classes
Jun 26 18:26:14 <theelfismike> StingRay_ totally agree webview apps suck
Jun 26 18:26:25 <theelfismike> thus replacing those views in our app
Jun 26 18:26:29 <StingRay_> ah, thought you were attempting to prove the opposite :)
Jun 26 18:26:36 <theelfismike> heh
Jun 26 18:26:47 <StingRay_> and was really interested to see it, if you thought it was at all passble
Jun 26 18:26:53 <StingRay_> cuase I have not found one yet
Jun 26 18:27:00 <theelfismike> only good example i know of is Untappd
Jun 26 18:27:17 <theelfismike> it's still not as good as native, but they did a pretty nice job
Jun 26 18:27:23 * StingRay_ looking
Jun 26 18:28:24 <TacticalJoke> theelfismike:  Any ideas?
Jun 26 18:28:24 <TacticalJoke> I just wanna run this thing in Release mode.  Just once.
Jun 26 18:28:47 <StingRay_> theelfismike: na..total crap from the get go
Jun 26 18:28:49 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 18:29:23 <theelfismike> TacticalJoke did you create a new keystore and fill out all those fields?
Jun 26 18:29:37 <TacticalJoke> I tried, but it showed an error message.
Jun 26 18:29:45 <theelfismike> which said?
Jun 26 18:29:46 <theelfismike> what
Jun 26 18:29:51 <TacticalJoke> What should I put for "key store path" in the New Key Store dialog?
Jun 26 18:29:55 <TacticalJoke> It said "Invalid keystore format".
Jun 26 18:30:07 <theelfismike> try the root of your project
Jun 26 18:30:39 <theelfismike> then fill out all those fields
Jun 26 18:30:39 <theelfismike> path is just where it will save the keystore
Jun 26 18:31:09 <TacticalJoke> Then it shows a FileNotFound exception.
Jun 26 18:31:09 <TacticalJoke> FileNotFoundException.*
Jun 26 18:32:10 <TacticalJoke> Okay, now it's saying access id denied.
Jun 26 18:32:13 <TacticalJoke> is*
Jun 26 18:32:55 <theelfismike> do you have permission to create a new file in the root directory of your project?
Jun 26 18:33:23 <theelfismike> that or maybe you entered the wrong key alias, key password or keystore password
Jun 26 18:33:28 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, not sure.  But...
Jun 26 18:33:34 <TacticalJoke> I just created C:\blah and used that...
Jun 26 18:33:50 <TacticalJoke> And now it says "Keystore file exists, but is empty".
Jun 26 18:34:30 <theelfismike> try creating another one in your My Documents folder or something
Jun 26 18:35:33 <TacticalJoke> Same.
Jun 26 18:35:40 <TacticalJoke> "Keystore file exists, but is empty".
Jun 26 18:35:54 <TacticalJoke> C:\Users\Me\Documents\test.
Jun 26 18:36:52 <Miesco> Im trying to get this oval to move to the right every 100ms 10 times, but it just waits 1 second then displays it already moved: http://paste.debian.net/12845/
Jun 26 18:37:24 <TacticalJoke> Ooh.
Jun 26 18:37:27 <Miesco> I know the code is sloppy, im just trying to understand this
Jun 26 18:37:28 <TacticalJoke> I had to specify a file name!
Jun 26 18:38:21 <theelfismike> Miesco you can't call Tread.sleep in onCreate - it blocks the UI thread and it won't update
Jun 26 18:38:41 <theelfismike> Thread.sleep*
Jun 26 18:38:56 <Brian|CB> while(true) { Thread.sleep(100);}
Jun 26 18:38:59 <Brian|CB> GG WP
Jun 26 18:40:37 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I generated the key-store but it still won't run!
Jun 26 18:41:08 <Miesco> Yea I thought I would get an exception saying I can't sleep in the main UI thread
Jun 26 18:41:18 <Miesco> How should I sleep?
Jun 26 18:41:44 <TacticalJoke> How do I get the app to run in Release mode with this signed APK?
Jun 26 18:41:50 <Miesco> sendMessageDelayed(obtainMessage(0), delayMillis);
Jun 26 18:41:51 <Miesco> Like that?
Jun 26 18:42:26 <theelfismike> something like CountdownTimer might be a good start for what you're looking for
Jun 26 18:42:41 <theelfismike> ultimately you might want to do animation the "Android" way
Jun 26 18:43:03 <theelfismike> from a glance, this looks like it might be a good tutorial: http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidAnimation/article.html#tutorial_viewanimation
Jun 26 18:43:50 <theelfismike> TacticalJoke if the apk is signed with release key, it will automatically run in release mode
Jun 26 18:43:57 <UnderSampled> is the res folder generated from the assets folder?
Jun 26 18:44:06 <TacticalJoke> It's not working.
Jun 26 18:44:38 <theelfismike> what does that mean?
Jun 26 18:44:57 <StingRay_> lack of reading
Jun 26 18:45:07 <StingRay_> lack of understanding
Jun 26 18:45:10 <StingRay_> at a guess
Jun 26 18:45:23 <Miesco> theelfismike: You mean tweens?
Jun 26 18:46:07 <theelfismike> Miesco android has a bunch of view animation stuff built in
Jun 26 18:46:20 <theelfismike> not just tween animation
Jun 26 18:46:22 <StingRay_> he wants drawable animation
Jun 26 18:46:28 <StingRay_> not really view
Jun 26 18:46:32 <StingRay_> i think
Jun 26 18:46:43 <theelfismike> public class CustomDrawableView extends View {
Jun 26 18:46:50 <StingRay_> oh
Jun 26 18:46:54 <StingRay_> maybe not then
Jun 26 18:46:55 <TacticalJoke> It keeps creating Testing-release-unsigned and running that.
Jun 26 18:46:56 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 18:47:12 <StingRay_> thats an odd name
Jun 26 18:47:13 <TacticalJoke> How do I get Android Studio to run the signed one?
Jun 26 18:47:31 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: by reading about it and finding out what the prob is
Jun 26 18:47:43 <TacticalJoke> Reading what?
Jun 26 18:48:01 <StingRay_> your questions and statements read like, "I want to do an app, how can I do an app"
Jun 26 18:48:10 <TacticalJoke> No, they don't.
Jun 26 18:48:11 <StingRay_> if you find out what the steps are
Jun 26 18:48:16 <StingRay_> go through them
Jun 26 18:48:18 <TacticalJoke> I'm saying it's uploading the other APK to my device.
Jun 26 18:48:26 <TacticalJoke> Not the signed one.
Jun 26 18:48:35 <StingRay_> they when problems occure you can ask concise questions
Jun 26 18:49:04 <SiPlus> Hi
Jun 26 18:49:16 <SiPlus> How do I re-execute a task in onPostExecute?
Jun 26 18:49:17 <TacticalJoke> I am new to Android.
Jun 26 18:49:23 <SiPlus> an AsyncTask
Jun 26 18:49:23 <TacticalJoke> We all start somewhere.
Jun 26 18:49:33 <TacticalJoke> All I want is to run this app in Release mode.
Jun 26 18:49:36 <TacticalJoke> On my phone.
Jun 26 18:49:45 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: indeed, but you dont start by exporting a signed finished deployed app
Jun 26 18:49:49 <monsti> whats a release mode?
Jun 26 18:50:10 <SiPlus> monsti, in Google Play .apk mode
Jun 26 18:50:22 <SiPlus> with all proper optimizations, I think
Jun 26 18:50:37 <SiPlus> and signed not by the debug cert
Jun 26 18:51:10 <TacticalJoke> So, Android Studio is uploading the unsigned APK when I run in Release mode.  How do I get it to upload the signed APK?
Jun 26 18:51:20 <SiPlus> Sign it with jarsigner
Jun 26 18:51:37 <StingRay_> push the signed one to the device
Jun 26 18:51:46 <SiPlus> http://developer.android.com/tools/publishing/app-signing.html
Jun 26 18:51:47 <TacticalJoke> I've done that.
Jun 26 18:51:47 <TacticalJoke> I have a signed one and an unsigned one.
Jun 26 18:51:53 <TacticalJoke> How, StingRay_?
Jun 26 18:52:02 <StingRay_> adb push
Jun 26 18:52:04 <TacticalJoke> I'm using Android Studio, clicking Run.
Jun 26 18:52:28 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html
Jun 26 18:52:29 <|0xD34D|> 'adb install name_of_app.apk' may work better than pushing it
Jun 26 18:52:38 <StingRay_> yeah that too
Jun 26 18:52:40 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 18:52:40 <|0xD34D|> just uninstall the previous one
Jun 26 18:52:42 <TacticalJoke> Can't Android Studio do this?
Jun 26 18:53:05 <SiPlus> Press Run (NOT Debug)
Jun 26 18:53:08 <Miesco> theelfismike: Well the Snake example in the SDK uses a main loop, not ObjectAnimators
Jun 26 18:53:09 <TacticalJoke> I am.
Jun 26 18:53:11 <SiPlus> Go to /bin of your project
Jun 26 18:53:14 <SiPlus> Find your apk
Jun 26 18:53:20 <SiPlus> Use jarsigner and zipalign on it
Jun 26 18:53:34 <SiPlus> Then install it using adb install or by copying the apk to your device
Jun 26 18:54:28 <TacticalJoke> There must be a way to do this within Android Studio.
Jun 26 18:54:32 <SiPlus> No
Jun 26 18:54:34 <SiPlus> It would be unsafe
Jun 26 18:54:35 <TacticalJoke> I can't see it anywhere.
Jun 26 18:54:37 <TacticalJoke> ?
Jun 26 18:54:46 <TacticalJoke> Do I have to do this every time I compile the app?
Jun 26 18:54:52 <SiPlus> Yes, TacticalJoke
Jun 26 18:54:59 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 18:55:05 <SiPlus> You must keep your private key *very* secure
Jun 26 18:55:25 <SiPlus> It must not be in any of your app backups or repos that are visible to anybody other than you
Jun 26 18:55:39 <SiPlus> Don't store it in your project directory
Jun 26 18:55:53 <SiPlus> The private key is what you use to update your app on Google Play
Jun 26 18:56:01 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 18:56:14 <SiPlus> If you lose it, you will lose your ability to update your app forever
Jun 26 18:56:53 <theelfismike> Miesco i haven't looked at it in a while, but i think they're on a separate thread
Jun 26 18:56:57 <SiPlus> If others get it, they will be able to update the app if you have access to your Google account
Jun 26 18:57:43 <syntroPi> i am using an LG Optimus 4X HD P88020a-EUR-XXX on JB (4.1.2) which runs on Tegra 3  kernel 3.1.10 :  i want to root it now and am unsure which superuser app is the most common?? what about this one here (sideload)     http://download.clockworkmod.com/superuser/superuser.zip
Jun 26 18:57:55 <SiPlus> syntroPi, #android-root
Jun 26 18:58:07 <syntroPi> SiPlus, its silent there
Jun 26 18:58:12 <SiPlus> this is a developers chat, not h4x0rs
Jun 26 18:58:21 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I did "adb install <blah>" and it just says "Success".
Jun 26 18:58:24 <TacticalJoke> It didn't open on my phone.
Jun 26 18:58:32 <theelfismike> so open it on your phone
Jun 26 18:58:45 <SiPlus> did you sign it?
Jun 26 18:58:46 <TacticalJoke> Ooh.
Jun 26 18:58:52 <SimonVT> You can define your keystore pass, etc, in a gradle.properties file in .gradle/ .. Then set up your release build type to sign
Jun 26 18:58:52 <monsti> lol
Jun 26 18:58:56 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, SiPlus.
Jun 26 18:59:10 <SiPlus> SimonVT, this is a VERY bad advice
Jun 26 18:59:14 <Gumboot> SimonVT: If one were to write their own superuser app, could they ask about it in here?
Jun 26 18:59:15 <SimonVT> Why?
Jun 26 18:59:19 <Gumboot> oops, bad tabcomplete.
Jun 26 18:59:22 <SiPlus> Never store your key password anywhere other than your head
Jun 26 18:59:24 <Gumboot> SiPlus: that
Jun 26 18:59:43 <TacticalJoke> Omg, it works!
Jun 26 18:59:47 <SiPlus> So
Jun 26 18:59:51 <TacticalJoke> THank you.
Jun 26 18:59:54 <TacticalJoke> Thank*
Jun 26 18:59:56 <SiPlus> How do I restart an AsyncTask in onPostExecute?
Jun 26 19:00:00 <TacticalJoke> I am running it in Release mode!
Jun 26 19:00:01 <SimonVT> Gumboot: Probably, as long as you're writing an app I guess
Jun 26 19:00:06 <SiPlus> I'm getting "task already running" error
Jun 26 19:00:41 <monsti> SiPlus: i have a while(true) loop and break with a condition
Jun 26 19:00:50 <TacticalJoke> I don't get why Android Studio has the option to run in Release mode.
Jun 26 19:00:50 <TacticalJoke> It seems useless.
Jun 26 19:00:50 <TacticalJoke> It tries to push an unsigned APK.
Jun 26 19:00:57 <SiPlus> monsti, in onPostExecute?
Jun 26 19:01:20 <monsti> SiPlus: sorry :(
Jun 26 19:01:30 <SimonVT> You probably have to set up your release build type to sign the apk
Jun 26 19:01:33 <monsti> SiPlus: you might want to start this in the application context
Jun 26 19:02:08 <SiPlus> I think I'll use onProgressUpdate instead of sequential tasks instead
Jun 26 19:02:17 <TacticalJoke> Does anyone know why Android Studio even has the option to run in Release mode?
Jun 26 19:02:18 <TacticalJoke> Just curiuos.
Jun 26 19:02:21 <TacticalJoke> curious.*
Jun 26 19:02:42 <SimonVT> To run your release build type
Jun 26 19:02:50 <TacticalJoke> But it won't run, right.
Jun 26 19:02:53 <TacticalJoke> Because it'll be unsigned.
Jun 26 19:03:03 <SimonVT>  <SimonVT> You probably have to set up your release build type to sign the apk
Jun 26 19:03:10 <theelfismike> i think pebkac
Jun 26 19:03:14 <TacticalJoke> Wait!
Jun 26 19:03:21 <TacticalJoke> Someone said that wasn't possible in Android Studio.
Jun 26 19:03:30 <TacticalJoke> That I had to manually 'adb install'.
Jun 26 19:03:42 <SimonVT> AS uses gradle
Jun 26 19:03:43 <TacticalJoke> And at least one person agreed.
Jun 26 19:03:46 <SimonVT> Gradle can sign your apk
Jun 26 19:03:49 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Jun 26 19:03:52 <SimonVT> I don't see why that shouldn't be possible
Jun 26 19:06:39 <TacticalJoke> Oh well.  I guess I can just do the command-line thingy.
Jun 26 19:08:26 <SiPlus> Why do you need to compile a release build that often?
Jun 26 19:08:56 <SiPlus> Release mode is, obviously, for releases
Jun 26 19:09:55 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jun 26 19:09:57 <TacticalJoke> I just wanted to test it.
Jun 26 19:10:02 <TacticalJoke> And I'm glad it works.
Jun 26 19:10:59 <TacticalJoke> I hope Android Studio will soon have easier access to ActionBarSherlock.
Jun 26 19:11:10 <JakeWharton> "easier"?
Jun 26 19:11:21 <SimonVT> Yeah dude, fix it
Jun 26 19:11:29 <TacticalJoke> I haven't tried it yet, but I read that it requires jumping through a few hoops.
Jun 26 19:11:42 <TacticalJoke> To get it going in Android Studio, anyway.
Jun 26 19:12:38 <TacticalJoke> SimonVT:  That wasn't a criticism of ActionBarSherlock.  More of Android Studio.
Jun 26 19:13:06 <theelfismike> TacticalJoke, meet JakeWharton, creator of ActionBarSherlock
Jun 26 19:13:18 <TacticalJoke> Mhmm.
Jun 26 19:13:26 <JakeWharton> the dev branch has build.gradle files
Jun 26 19:13:41 <SiPlus> Oh
Jun 26 19:13:49 <SiPlus> So I need to create a new instance of AsyncTask every time
Jun 26 19:14:40 <TacticalJoke> Does that mean at some point in the future using ABS in Android Studio will be easy?
Jun 26 19:14:55 <TacticalJoke> that^
Jun 26 19:15:09 <SimonVT> It'll be available as an aar in maven central soon(ish)
Jun 26 19:15:16 <nownot> how do I add a background view as a subview? In iOS there are just UIViews that you can add, is there an equivalent in android ?
Jun 26 19:15:45 <theelfismike> TacticalJoke - what part of "using ABS in Android Studio" is hard?
Jun 26 19:16:03 <theelfismike> even today, it's not that bad if you add it as another Module in your project
Jun 26 19:16:32 <SimonVT> That you actually have to add it as a module is bad
Jun 26 19:16:35 <nownot> I just want something that I can put behind some controls to add a bg color that has the ability to hide
Jun 26 19:16:37 <TacticalJoke> theelfismike:  http://showlabor.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/actionbarsherlock-in-android-studio-01.html
Jun 26 19:16:59 <SimonVT> Should just be able to add com.actionbarsherlock:actionbarsherlock:4.2.0 and be done with it
Jun 26 19:17:11 <StingRay_> nownot: cant you just use the background of the containing view ?
Jun 26 19:17:19 <StingRay_> as in the view where your buttons etc are?
Jun 26 19:17:20 <TacticalJoke> "I've been struggling with it myself for many hours."
Jun 26 19:17:54 <TacticalJoke> You know what I don't understand?  Why didn't Google already make something like ABS?
Jun 26 19:17:58 <theelfismike> a lot of that has to do with the way the support library is being pulled in as a dependency
Jun 26 19:18:05 <TacticalJoke> Like, without ABS, nobody can have an ActionBar pre-ICS, right?
Jun 26 19:18:07 <nownot> StingRay_: well yes, but (very new to android) i wasn't sure how to group the buttons together in a containing view, so I left them all individual for now. but what you're saying is what I want to do
Jun 26 19:18:11 <theelfismike> > Why didn't Google already make something like ABS?
Jun 26 19:18:20 <theelfismike> because ABS works and came before the support libraries
Jun 26 19:18:21 <Bleeptech> JakeWharton: You design your website?
Jun 26 19:18:31 <SimonVT> Google is making something like ABS
Jun 26 19:18:35 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jun 26 19:18:39 <SimonVT> It's just not released yet
Jun 26 19:18:44 <SimonVT> And they're about 2 years too late
Jun 26 19:18:46 <StingRay_> nownot: well viewGroups are container layouts, that can contain view/s
Jun 26 19:18:50 <TacticalJoke> And it will be available in a support library?
Jun 26 19:18:59 <SimonVT> Yes
Jun 26 19:19:01 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jun 26 19:19:04 <StingRay_> nownot: linearLayout, relative,frame, etc
Jun 26 19:19:23 <Bleeptech> JakeWharton: I like.. Easy on the eyes..
Jun 26 19:19:26 <theelfismike> @SimonVT - how? current support library is .jar and ABS-like thing will require resources
Jun 26 19:19:38 <TacticalJoke> One last question:  I created an unsigned release APK, and then a signed release APK.  As expected, the signed one was bigger.  However, the unsigned debug APK and the signed debug APK were the same size.
Jun 26 19:19:40 <SimonVT> The v4 support library is a jar
Jun 26 19:19:41 <theelfismike> .aar?
Jun 26 19:19:45 <SimonVT> The v7 support library isn't
Jun 26 19:19:48 <TacticalJoke> Is it that a debug APK can't actually be signed?
Jun 26 19:20:27 <nownot> StingRay_: so a linearLayout is just a subivew that is horizontal or vertical that contains its own shit?
Jun 26 19:20:34 <nownot> *shit = subviews
Jun 26 19:20:39 <nownot> sorry
Jun 26 19:20:41 <theelfismike> @simonVT ah
Jun 26 19:20:52 <SimonVT> There are 3 different support libraries right now.. Most people just associate support library with the fragment backport one
Jun 26 19:21:08 <TacticalJoke> Oh, wait.
Jun 26 19:21:12 <TacticalJoke> The debug APK is signed, I guess.
Jun 26 19:21:12 <StingRay_> nownot: when you say subview, if you mean component under a primary window/frame then yes
Jun 26 19:21:15 <TacticalJoke> With a temporary key.
Jun 26 19:21:19 <Flaiker> still cant get the sourcecode of webpages :(
Jun 26 19:21:35 <nownot> StingRay_: yep, awesome, exactly what I was looking for, should of researched more. Thanks for your help
Jun 26 19:21:52 <TacticalJoke> Okay, nvm.
Jun 26 19:21:54 <StingRay_> nownot: views that extend viewGroup (linearLayout,Relative,Frame) can contain many views
Jun 26 19:22:07 <TacticalJoke> Thanks.  Bai.
Jun 26 19:22:12 <StingRay_> nownot: np,  gl
Jun 26 19:23:16 <nownot> StingRay_: well this is the issue. linear layout can you have items that are side by side? its wanting them all stacked
Jun 26 19:23:29 <StingRay_> now
Jun 26 19:23:29 <nownot> so grideview?
Jun 26 19:23:32 <StingRay_> oops
Jun 26 19:23:46 <StingRay_> nownot: different view different abilities/properties
Jun 26 19:24:19 <StingRay_> relativeLayout allows relational views with rules,  leftOf, rightOf etc
Jun 26 19:24:53 <StingRay_> linearLayouts stack, and have weight to allow space distribution
Jun 26 19:25:40 <StingRay_> nownot: dont forget you can nest and make a hierarchy of different view layouts
Jun 26 19:26:03 <nownot> ahhh, I see the plan, think I can work my way around it now.
Jun 26 19:26:06 <nownot> thanks once again :)
Jun 26 19:26:16 <StingRay_> nothing to stop you having 12 linearLayouts in in a linearLayout
Jun 26 19:26:28 <StingRay_> 12 that are horizontal and 1 that is vertical
Jun 26 19:26:37 <StingRay_> and create a grid that way
Jun 26 19:26:41 <StingRay_> or use a gridView
Jun 26 19:26:47 <StingRay_> or anything
Jun 26 19:26:49 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 19:30:07 <Flaiker> Can someone help me with this? The variable "source" just doesnt get changed using the script I found. http://pastebin.com/f89yA2MG   Script: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5264162/how-to-retrieve-html-content-from-webview-as-a-string/14731187#14731187
Jun 26 19:35:41 <drager> Hey, so I want to develop an app using c++ instead of Java (pretty tired of Java for now). Do you guys know any great resources to create a native android app using c++?
Jun 26 19:36:49 <JesusFreke> Are you planning on drawing the UI completely yourself? I.e. not using android layouts, etc?
Jun 26 19:37:23 <Xabster> can native android apps be downloaded and installed from the market?
Jun 26 19:37:32 <ploshy> drager, there's this... http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
Jun 26 19:37:41 <drager> JesusFreke: I'm not really sure about that.
Jun 26 19:37:51 <JesusFreke> Usually, it's only feasible for things like games, that completely draw their own interface
Jun 26 19:37:53 <drager> ploshy: Thanks
Jun 26 19:38:01 <drager> JesusFreke: Yeah
Jun 26 19:40:08 <wassup> hi
Jun 26 19:40:30 <wassup> quick question
Jun 26 19:41:04 <wassup> I need to quickly start developing in android, any approachable source of knowledge?
Jun 26 19:41:11 <wassup> (books/sites/whatever)
Jun 26 19:41:17 <StingRay_> d.android.com
Jun 26 19:41:21 <theelfismike> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Jun 26 19:41:53 <wassup> StingRay_: how far away into android development would it take me?
Jun 26 19:42:18 <StingRay_> what are the baseline measurments ?
Jun 26 19:42:21 <StingRay_> and range ?
Jun 26 19:42:34 <StingRay_> oh units too :)
Jun 26 19:42:53 <JesusFreke> 23 libraries of congress.
Jun 26 19:43:04 <theelfismike> The Core
Jun 26 19:43:19 <StingRay_> wassup: quite far, enought to start to play with most things
Jun 26 19:43:23 <StingRay_> that you may want to do
Jun 26 19:43:30 <wassup> StingRay_: ok, that sound reasonable
Jun 26 19:43:50 <wassup> I mean, I've got the busy coder's guide to android development
Jun 26 19:44:02 <wassup> but, seriously, I'm to busy to read >2100 pages
Jun 26 19:44:04 <wassup> :x
Jun 26 19:44:44 <theelfismike> wassup: do the first app tutorial, then start writing your own app, searching for ways to fix issues you encounter
Jun 26 19:45:02 <wassup> theelfismike: that's the spirit! :D
Jun 26 19:45:43 <wassup> thanks, guys
Jun 26 19:45:49 <wassup> I'll use your advices
Jun 26 19:46:30 <wassup> btw, do I need to have sound java background for this tutorial?
Jun 26 19:46:49 <theelfismike> wassup: definitely helps :)
Jun 26 19:47:35 <wassup> I've gone through ~200 pages of java book, perhaps not a sound background, but has to suffice for a while ;-)
Jun 26 19:50:35 <dlaroche> I'm using sherlockactionbar, and have Google Maps on one tab. On that tab view I also have a split actionmode bar that has an add action item. When the user presses the add button I would like for a list menu to appear that has different mark options for the map. What would be the best type of menu to use for this?
Jun 26 19:52:55 <dlaroche> JakeWharton: ^^
Jun 26 19:54:03 <Flaiker> ok I finally found the solution
Jun 26 19:54:13 <Flaiker> apparently I had to add "@JavascriptInterface" before my function
Jun 26 19:54:28 <Flaiker> which was in no tutorial because its only since 4.2
Jun 26 19:54:59 <Josiwe> hello everyone - new android dev here, using xamarin mono platform
Jun 26 19:55:37 <Josiwe> come from c# web application world, trying to grok this stuff
Jun 26 19:55:56 <Josiwe> in the tutorial I'm working through, there is a demo of an IntentService
Jun 26 19:56:30 <Josiwe> it's supposed to fetch stock prices and the calling activity is using the AlarmManager to schedule regular updates
Jun 26 19:56:37 <Josiwe> what I don't understand is the setup code
Jun 26 19:57:11 <Josiwe> it uses PendingIntent.GetService to get a pending intent
Jun 26 19:57:28 <Josiwe> then passes that to alarm.SetRepeating
Jun 26 19:57:46 <Josiwe> I sort of get it, it seems like every 5 seconds it's going to execute this "GetService" call
Jun 26 19:58:33 <Josiwe> but what I don't understand is how that call to get the service also ends up executing the OnHandleIntent event
Jun 26 19:58:45 <Josiwe> does simply requesting the service cause the handler to fire?
Jun 26 19:58:57 <SimonVT> It just starts the Service
Jun 26 19:59:10 <SimonVT> IntentService is an implementation that calls onHandleIntent when it's started
Jun 26 19:59:42 <Josiwe> hmm
Jun 26 20:00:48 <Josiwe> so the call looks like this
Jun 26 20:01:33 <Josiwe> var result = PendingIntent.GetService(this, 0, stockServiceIntent, PendingIntentFlags.CancelCurrent);
Jun 26 20:02:14 <Josiwe> So when that pendint intent is passed to the alarm, and the alarm fires, it does GetService and passes along the inner intent, which is handled automatically?
Jun 26 20:02:54 <Josiwe> the inner intent (stockServiceIntent) is just a string naming the service, a filter I guess
Jun 26 20:05:08 <Josiwe> I think I understand a bit better, thank you SimonVT
Jun 26 20:05:57 <Josiwe> there's another bit of code that checks if the alarm has been set, and I don't quite follow what it's doing either
Jun 26 20:06:19 <Josiwe> return PendingIntent.GetBroadcast(this, 0, stockServiceIntent, PendingIntentFlags.NoCreate)
Jun 26 20:07:01 <Josiwe> yeah, no idea how that's working. GetBroadcast? is that just checking to see if anyone anywhere can broadcast for that intent? why not check with the alarm manager directly (somehow)?
Jun 26 20:10:28 <evanc> Josiwe: I suggest that you stop making assumptions of internal behaviors based on method names (and instead read the docs)
Jun 26 20:11:20 <Josiwe> evanc, I'm trying to work through documentation and tutorials but it's a hefty task. I came here hoping for some friendly clarification, not condescension.
Jun 26 20:12:08 <Josiwe> I'm reading some docs now, and it seems to be saying that PendingIntent is both a class and a factory, is that correct?
Jun 26 20:12:26 <Flaiker> Can I somehow refresh the UI? My text view only updates once I hit a random button on the screen
Jun 26 20:13:33 <JesusFreke> Flaiker: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#invalidate()
Jun 26 20:14:36 <Flaiker> thanks
Jun 26 20:16:27 <Josiwe> If the factory is doing matching on existing pending intents, where is the list kept? I.e. what is it matching against? Does the process / context keep a list?
Jun 26 20:17:21 <Josiwe> It seems that second code I put up is asking the factory if a PendingIntent with the intent argument exists by using the NO_CREATE flag
Jun 26 20:17:28 <ironhalik> Hello
Jun 26 20:18:15 <Josiwe> so i guess it checks with the alarm manager or some global list of pending intents, is that generally what's happening there?
Jun 26 20:18:21 <Josiwe> hello ironhalik
Jun 26 20:18:28 <ironhalik> I'm considering a project and after reviewing some of the docs, Im not sure if what I would try is possible
Jun 26 20:19:07 <ironhalik> can I focus AudioManager on a sip call?
Jun 26 20:19:37 <ironhalik> and autput the audio on a, lets say, rtsp stream?
Jun 26 20:19:48 <Josiwe> way over my head, unfortunately. i'm a beginner :) i'm actually not sure if this is the right chatroom to ask for help, nobody seems that responsive
Jun 26 20:20:18 <StingRay_> Josiwe: you mean responsive to brain dumps in the channel ?
Jun 26 20:20:19 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 20:20:21 <JesusFreke> Josiwe: the pending intent doesn't do any "matching" itself. It is essentially just a piece of data - it indicates an intent that can be sent at a later time
Jun 26 20:20:36 <ironhalik> Josiwe: I believe the RTFM force is strong with this channel ;>
Jun 26 20:21:16 <Josiwe> StingRay_, just trying to figure out the basics. If this isn't the place for it I'd appreciate any direction
Jun 26 20:21:17 <JesusFreke> in the context of the alarm manager, you give a pending intent to the alarm manager, and then the alarm manager will send that intent once the alarm has triggered
Jun 26 20:21:27 <StingRay_> Josiwe: the docs
Jun 26 20:21:35 <StingRay_> but it seemed like you were reading the docs
Jun 26 20:21:42 <StingRay_> then typing you thoughts
Jun 26 20:21:45 <StingRay_> as you were reading
Jun 26 20:21:47 <StingRay_> :)
Jun 26 20:21:57 <ironhalik> rubber duck programming!
Jun 26 20:22:05 <ironhalik> :)
Jun 26 20:22:09 <Josiwe> yeah, trying to explain where I'm at so people can figure out what i'm getting wrong
Jun 26 20:22:30 <ironhalik> or android figurine programming
Jun 26 20:22:33 <StingRay_> not going through the getting started guides will hinder you a bit
Jun 26 20:22:41 <JesusFreke> as to your specific question about getBroadcast - this is a simple "factory" method that creates a new pending intent. It doesn't keep any global list or look for anything pre-existing.
Jun 26 20:22:45 <StingRay_> cause they explain the basics
Jun 26 20:22:47 <JesusFreke> it just makes a new pending intent based on the data you give
Jun 26 20:24:06 <Josiwe> jesusfreke: ok, but how do you check to see if an alarm has been set up? the starter tutorial i'm working through uses the GetBroadcast method with a NoCreate flag and checks if it returns null, so it seems to be looking for an existing PendingIntent with the right intent filter "somewhere".
Jun 26 20:24:35 <Josiwe> StingRay_: I'm going through the starter guides. That's what I'm asking questions about.
Jun 26 20:24:50 <StingRay_> Josiwe: appologies
Jun 26 20:25:06 <Josiwe> this particular tut is about services, and they gloss over the more advanced stuff and focus on the basics. But I'm trying to grok the whole example
Jun 26 20:25:21 <JesusFreke> Josiwe: actually, that's a good point. I may have been incorrect :)
Jun 26 20:26:13 <Josiwe> docs.xamarin.com/guides/android/application_fundamentals/services/part_3_-_viewing_running_services_and_stock_service_example
Jun 26 20:26:33 <Josiwe> jesus: ok lol glad i'm not the only one
Jun 26 20:27:08 <JesusFreke> Josiwe: my guess is that it does keep a list of pending intents, probably associated with the current Context.
Jun 26 20:27:24 <Josiwe> that makes sense.
Jun 26 20:27:35 <Josiwe> i'll just assume that until it bites me in the ass then :P
Jun 26 20:27:46 <JesusFreke> in this case, my impulse is to look at the source, to see what it's actually doing :)
Jun 26 20:28:56 <Josiwe> i think i get it now, it's creating a PendingIntent to call the service with a separate Intent argument that helps GetService figure out which service to get.
Jun 26 20:29:48 <Josiwe> then it gives it to the alarm manager. later, to check it's been set up, it uses PendingIntent to see if an intent to broadcast for the stock Intent exists by applying the NoCreate flag
Jun 26 20:29:49 <JesusFreke> Josiwe: "The parts of the Intent that are used for matching are the same ones defined by Intent.filterEquals."
Jun 26 20:30:06 <JesusFreke> in the docs for the PendingIntent class
Jun 26 20:30:12 <Josiwe> yeah i saw that
Jun 26 20:30:18 <JesusFreke> "That is, if their action, data, type, class, and categories are the same"
Jun 26 20:30:34 <JesusFreke> so that's what it uses to look for an existing pending intent, when calling getBroadcast, etc.
Jun 26 20:30:36 <theelfismike> Josiwe be sure to read the Android docs as well as the mono docs http://developer.android.com/guide/components/index.html
Jun 26 20:30:36 <theelfismike> (if you're using mono)
Jun 26 20:30:49 <Josiwe> so when it calls GetBroadcast with my intent filter, it's checking to see if a PendingInent already exists to broadcast for that Intent
Jun 26 20:31:51 <Josiwe> i think the method name (GetBroadcast) was confusing me, as evanc said earlier
Jun 26 20:32:09 <Josiwe> theel thanks for the tip, i absolutely will
Jun 26 20:32:13 <jellybee> hey, my activity extends currently FragmentActivity since i have a few dialog fragments, i'd like to add a PreferenceActivity to my app, do have to extend PreferenceActivity now?
Jun 26 20:32:39 <Josiwe> i have to learn ios too, basically I've been assigned to port our iOS apps to android and I don't know either (yet)
Jun 26 20:33:14 <ploshy> So what's the proper way to use XPath to return an element from a JDOM document?
Jun 26 20:33:26 <JesusFreke> Josiwe: (just now looking at the example you linked to) - for IsAlarmSet, it looks like they're relying on the fact that the pending intent would only exist if they had already registered it for an alarm
Jun 26 20:33:30 <ploshy> I tried using JDOM's XPath class, but it's deprecated.
Jun 26 20:33:46 <JesusFreke> this seems a bit sloppy to me :)
Jun 26 20:33:53 <Josiwe> JesusFreke: yep, that's what I couldn't understand until I came in here and asked
Jun 26 20:34:03 <Josiwe> but now I know! so thanks for your help, and stingray too
Jun 26 20:34:44 <jellybee> anyone here ever mixed DialogFragments and PreferenceActivity in the same app?
Jun 26 20:34:53 <Josiwe> yeah the xamarin stuff is a bit disordered, i think they've had too many revisions and haven't kept all of it up to date. anyway, i'm going back to reading, thanks again guys maybe i'll be back :P
Jun 26 20:35:38 <jellybee> should be possible, but which class should i extend for my main activity? FragmentActivity or PreferenceActivity?
Jun 26 20:36:13 <evanc> jellybee: is your main activity one with fragments or one with preferences?
Jun 26 20:39:11 <jellybee> evanc: my main activity has some dialog fragments that pop up when some events occur. I want to add preference activity that is invoked from the main activity.
Jun 26 20:39:22 <ploshy> So...anyone familiar with using XPath?
Jun 26 20:39:50 <evanc> jellybee: that was a rhetorical question. Can you give a good reason why you think your main activity would need to inherit from PreferenceActivity?
Jun 26 20:40:30 <jellybee> yeah, i got you now.. for some reason i thought that the activity that calls the preference activity should be from the same type.... my mistake
Jun 26 20:40:34 <jellybee> its late :/
Jun 26 20:40:59 <evanc> jellybee: no problem :)
Jun 26 20:42:12 <marlinc> Someone who wants to test this app? http://goo.gl/KjcdH
Jun 26 20:43:24 <JesusFreke> oh look, a link to a random application with no context
Jun 26 20:43:37 <JesusFreke> sounds perfectly safe to me! ;)
Jun 26 20:46:41 <monsti> marlinc: if you are no bot please tell me what is 1+1
Jun 26 20:46:57 <marlinc> Nope :)
Jun 26 20:46:58 <marlinc> I'm not
Jun 26 20:47:01 <marlinc> 2 :")
Jun 26 20:47:18 <monsti> omg you are skynet!!!!
Jun 26 20:47:28 <jellybee> my app supports API v8 and above, should i not use addPreferencesFromResource() ?
Jun 26 20:51:45 <StingRay_> jellybee: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/preference/PreferenceActivity.html#addPreferencesFromResource(int)
Jun 26 20:54:44 <jellybee> StingRay_: the fact the it's deparcated will not be a problem on machines with API 12 and above?
Jun 26 20:55:59 <StingRay_> well are there not alternatives that are there for all API levels with the support lib ?
Jun 26 20:56:09 <StingRay_> I dont know, dont use prefs activity
Jun 26 20:56:21 <SimonVT> There aren't
Jun 26 20:56:31 <SimonVT> And no, it won't cause issues
Jun 26 20:56:51 <SimonVT> But consider using preferencefragment on api11+
Jun 26 20:57:45 <jellybee> so i should check on runtime and decide which to use?
Jun 26 20:58:25 <SimonVT> Yep
Jun 26 20:58:35 <jennie> 	I have custom ROM 4.1.2 N7000 with CWM, now can i flash my gingerbread ROM with ODIN after reset and format ? please tell me
Jun 26 20:58:39 <SimonVT> Depends how many preferences you have tho
Jun 26 20:59:48 <jellybee> not much..
Jun 26 20:59:52 <SimonVT> With preferencefragments you can get that two-pane layout on tablets.. Before api11 you cant
Jun 26 21:00:15 <SimonVT> But if you just have a few preferences, that might not make sense
Jun 26 21:09:54 <navetz> Hi I am trying to create my first simple android app that loads an image from a url and displays it on the screen. I have the image loading properly but I would like to have a progress bar / loading bar that gets replaced when the image is done being loaded. Can anyone help?
Jun 26 21:12:05 <RyanM> Does anyone know any reason why lint could be failing to pick up some, but not all NewApi errors?
Jun 26 21:16:57 <ironhalik> can I stream/forward android SIP call to output other than the default (speaker etc)?
Jun 26 21:17:50 <FernandoMiguel> ironhalik: you couldn't in the past
Jun 26 21:18:33 <ironhalik> FernandoMiguel: and now? I'm considering a project, and I'm reviewing the docs, but new to those parts of android :)
Jun 26 21:18:44 <ironhalik> I'm new*
Jun 26 21:19:08 <FernandoMiguel> no idea
Jun 26 21:19:28 <ironhalik> did you encounter a similiar problem?
Jun 26 21:19:38 <FernandoMiguel> never looked for it
Jun 26 21:19:46 <FernandoMiguel> I recall reading about it
Jun 26 21:20:07 <ironhalik> I guess I'll have to check some other SIP clients
Jun 26 21:20:49 <ironhalik> anyway, thanks for the info
Jun 26 21:22:54 <FernandoMiguel> ironhalik: check csipsimple
Jun 26 21:24:26 <ironhalik> yeah, just reading about it
Jun 26 21:24:30 <ironhalik> and sipdroid
Jun 26 21:25:02 <speakingcode-wor> hmm, so the documentation is a bit round about in this regard. i have an edit text, i want it to be a a single line. however when the user presses enter, the text field stays the same height, but it breaksto the next line. any way to prevent that?
Jun 26 21:27:27 <RyanM> failing that, is there any way to check for API calls above your minSdkVersion without using lint?
Jun 26 21:28:03 <speakingcode-wor> RyanM: using eclipse?
Jun 26 21:28:16 <ironhalik> speakingcode-wor: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7399280/android-edittext-getting-entered-text
Jun 26 21:28:26 <RyanM> speakingcode-wor: how?
Jun 26 21:28:33 <evanc> RyanM: build against that api level if you want to be really super duper sure
Jun 26 21:28:35 <speakingcode-wor> ironhalik: thanks
Jun 26 21:28:52 <speakingcode-wor> RyanM: i meant are you using eclipse? it will warn/not compile if you try, pretty sure
Jun 26 21:28:59 <RyanM> evanc: Can't, there are legit cases guarded by API level checks :-(
Jun 26 21:29:12 <evanc> of course, it won't compile, but yeah
Jun 26 21:29:29 <RyanM> speakingcode-wor: As I stated, lint isn't working correctly.  Eclispe uses lint, so that won't work.
Jun 26 21:29:41 <speakingcode-wor> oh, ironhalik that's not exactly what i want, and won't work anyway b/c soft keyboard usually doesn't send the onKey event afaik
Jun 26 21:29:43 <RyanM> evanc: That might be the way to go, unfortunately :-\
Jun 26 21:29:53 <speakingcode-wor> RyanM: ah, just joined the channel, didn't see
Jun 26 21:30:01 <speakingcode-wor> in that case, reinstall lint/eclipse
Jun 26 21:31:12 <RyanM> eclipse isn't the issue, it fails with lint on the command line as well.  There are a few things I could try with redownloading the project/manually cleaning/redownloading the SDK.
Jun 26 22:03:34 <speakingcode-wor> is there a reason imeActionLabel and imeOptions would seem to have absolutely no effect? can devices ignore it at whim?
Jun 26 22:12:41 <xastey`> decoding from the disk a bitmap in the background shouldn't stall the ui should it?
Jun 26 22:13:32 <evanc> xastey`: in a background thread, no
Jun 26 22:14:47 <xastey`> whats what I thought.. guess thats not the problem
Jun 26 22:17:55 <speakingcode-wor> if it's indeed a separate thread, no not really
Jun 26 22:18:30 <speakingcode-wor> i mean theoretically it could, even there are enough threads and processes runnig and the context switching is poor
Jun 26 22:19:54 <xastey`> umm need to see the thread count then
Jun 26 22:20:52 <Mavrik> speakingcode-wor, yeah, the keyboard can ignore imeoptions
Jun 26 22:20:59 <xastey`> wonder why my listview is stalling when I load an image from disk
Jun 26 22:21:01 <Mavrik> or, well, doesn't implement them.
Jun 26 22:21:09 <Mavrik> xastey`, use profiling.
Jun 26 22:21:11 <speakingcode-wor> Mavrik: that is just dumb :( doesn't help me at all ughghghghg
Jun 26 22:21:19 <xastey`> yeah Mavrik i've done that many times
Jun 26 22:21:25 <xastey`> mind taking a look at my image?
Jun 26 22:21:27 <speakingcode-wor> xastey`: depends on how you're doing it
Jun 26 22:21:29 <Mavrik> speakingcode-wor, well, you can't force people to implement options.
Jun 26 22:21:46 <xastey`> Executors.newFixedThreadPool(5) then submitting a runnable to it
Jun 26 22:22:09 <xastey`> I even tried UnverialImageLoader(case it was a easy drop in ) which uses AsyncTask same thing
Jun 26 22:22:27 <xastey`> but let me get some profiling images
Jun 26 22:22:51 <speakingcode-wor> hmm i've never done async image loading with async task or any thread pool stuff, just plain java threading
Jun 26 22:24:02 <speakingcode-wor> only backgorund image loading stuff i did was on a little rss feed feature; i just set up a worker thread to pull the article thumbnails off a queue and load em over network 1 by 1
Jun 26 22:25:16 <xastey`> http://i.imgur.com/3LiFcyw.png
Jun 26 22:25:26 <xastey`> and http://i.imgur.com/O58NujS.png if you have time
Jun 26 22:25:46 <theelfismike> Picasso is awesome for remote image loading http://square.github.io/picasso/
Jun 26 22:26:07 * YuviPanda just started using the Volley stuff for image loading
Jun 26 22:26:13 <YuviPanda> used to use UIL before
Jun 26 22:26:45 <speakingcode-wor> shrug, took me 15 minutes to implement n worked fine for me
Jun 26 22:26:57 <icetooth> anyone ever get spammed with this in logcat?  D/dalvikvm(199): GC_EXPLICIT freed 40K, 25% free 20722K/27271K, paused 2ms+5ms
Jun 26 22:27:10 <speakingcode-wor> icetooth: often. i just ignore it
Jun 26 22:27:19 <speakingcode-wor> it's garbage collection stuff
Jun 26 22:27:22 <icetooth> k :]
Jun 26 22:27:40 <marlinc> How would get people to test your app? How would you reach people? ;)
Jun 26 22:27:41 <xastey`> yeap me icetooth
Jun 26 22:27:43 <xastey`> get it a lot
Jun 26 22:28:02 <xastey`> really hate it.. and I think thats why my app is choppy at random times
Jun 26 22:28:45 <speakingcode-wor> no need to worry about it unless you're having memory issues and need to monitor what GC is doing
Jun 26 22:29:01 <speakingcode-wor> xastey`: how large is the bitmap you're loading?
Jun 26 22:29:17 <xastey`> 448w
Jun 26 22:29:24 <xastey`> umm let me get one of the sizes
Jun 26 22:30:07 <speakingcode-wor> filesize/bytes
Jun 26 22:30:27 <xastey`> yeah getting that
Jun 26 22:30:51 <xastey`> 48k
Jun 26 22:31:01 <speakingcode-wor> wow umm
Jun 26 22:31:05 <ploshy> So hey, not to keep repeating myself, but is anyone familiar with XPath and w3c.dom?
Jun 26 22:31:08 <speakingcode-wor> you're just loading it?
Jun 26 22:31:15 <xastey`> to 60kb
Jun 26 22:31:18 <sinistersnare> hey, i was wondering if the android devs had any plans on switching ADT to Eclipse 4.3
Jun 26 22:31:22 <xastey`> 48kb not k
Jun 26 22:31:38 <monsti> sinistersnare: no idea if it works - i didn't try it, yet
Jun 26 22:31:53 <monsti> sinistersnare: so tell me about your success ;)
Jun 26 22:32:02 <sinistersnare> ok :p ill try now, and see what i can do!
Jun 26 22:32:18 <sinistersnare> ima do a barebones style, so i need to find the runtime binaries
Jun 26 22:33:10 <speakingcode-wor> ploshy: what about it? this isn't really the channel, but go ahead n ask
Jun 26 22:33:31 <ploshy> Is it not? It's for an app on the Android.
Jun 26 22:33:45 <ploshy> Anyway
Jun 26 22:34:42 <icetooth> seems like its either caught in an infinite loop, or streaming something, crossing my fingers its just an update...mostly 40k chunks
Jun 26 22:35:41 <speakingcode-wor> icetooth: gc should run at pretty regular intervals, and there are things going on in the background that are infinite loops with the process of your app
Jun 26 22:36:05 <ploshy> I'm trying to parse through elements using xpath's evalute method, in a manner similar to JDOM's selectSingleNode (which is deprecated). But I'm getting a " javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: Unknown error in XPath"
Jun 26 22:36:20 <speakingcode-wor> and many objects getting created and then unused in a state to be garbage collected
Jun 26 22:37:02 <speakingcode-wor> oh, ploshy i thought you meant xpath like in regards to mapping to elements in a dom
Jun 26 22:37:17 <ploshy> I do.
Jun 26 22:37:20 <ploshy> Well, kinda.
Jun 26 22:37:27 <sinistersnare> can anyone find a JDT for eclipse download? nvm, this isnt the place
Jun 26 22:37:36 <speakingcode-wor> i.e. not a particular xpath library
Jun 26 22:37:54 <speakingcode-wor> sinistersnare: base eclipse has java developer tools included
Jun 26 22:38:01 <speakingcode-wor> standard eclipse or whatever, on eclipse.org
Jun 26 22:38:17 <sinistersnare> i know, but i want to do a minimalist thing
Jun 26 22:38:30 <sinistersnare> so basically i just want the JDT the ADT and EMP
Jun 26 22:38:30 <ploshy> Oh, you mean like a general xpath question? No, I tried with JDOM, but their selectSingleNode is deprecated and the rest of ttheir XPath stuff is useless for what I'm trying to do.
Jun 26 22:39:02 <sinistersnare> eh screw it
Jun 26 22:40:06 <g00s> anyone try kepler yet ? :D
Jun 26 22:40:33 <sinistersnare> im trying
Jun 26 22:40:33 <sinistersnare> need to find a link to the JDT
Jun 26 22:40:45 <sinistersnare> just do a standard download and have a regular experience :p
Jun 26 22:57:39 <sinistersnare> trying out 4.3
Jun 26 22:57:44 <sinistersnare> just installed ADT
Jun 26 22:58:57 <sinistersnare> does anyone know what plugin that came with the eclipse bundled with ADT that shows memory usage?
Jun 26 23:00:57 <speakingcode-wor> sinistersnare: go to window > show view > other
Jun 26 23:01:10 <speakingcode-wor> and look under general, java, android, or debug folders - prolly what your lookin for is in there
Jun 26 23:01:24 <speakingcode-wor> if you got eclipse and adt, you should have evertyhign in the bundle afaik
Jun 26 23:01:27 <sinistersnare> it wasnt a view, it was a little bar on the bottom
Jun 26 23:01:33 <speakingcode-wor> ^^ that's a view
Jun 26 23:01:42 <sinistersnare> that even had a little garbage collecter caller button
Jun 26 23:01:57 <sinistersnare> and im using 4.3, which ADT bundle uses 4.2
Jun 26 23:03:26 <speakingcode-wor> pretty sure it's just a view docked on the boittom
Jun 26 23:03:59 <sinistersnare> oh, let me see then
Jun 26 23:04:15 <speakingcode-wor> cause i can right click n the menu shwos 'close' like any other view
Jun 26 23:04:24 <sinistersnare> oh cool
Jun 26 23:05:38 <sinistersnare> i cant find it damnit
Jun 26 23:06:47 <speakingcode-wor> hold on
Jun 26 23:07:32 <speakingcode-wor> http://www.iheartair.com/2009/06/02/eclipse-tweaks-monitor-and-run-garbage-collection-on-your-eclipse-memory-heap/
Jun 26 23:07:35 <speakingcode-wor> sinistersnare: ^^
Jun 26 23:07:45 <sinistersnare> HAH
Jun 26 23:07:48 <sinistersnare> awesome thanks!!!
Jun 26 23:16:46 <g00s> the offline docs are so fucking borked!
Jun 26 23:16:57 <g00s> christ, i need to wget the damn site myself
Jun 26 23:17:30 <speakingcode-wor> docs? psht read source
Jun 26 23:19:00 <g00s> i found this out the hard way trying to use the offline docs when i didn't have internet access
Jun 26 23:19:17 <g00s> in a lot of places i'm guessing they didn't use relative links
Jun 26 23:19:39 <g00s> so for example, it wants to go file:///tools/workflow/index.html
Jun 26 23:19:50 <RyanM> yeah the offline docs are pretty broken
Jun 26 23:19:52 <g00s> even though its in $sdkdir/docs/ etc
Jun 26 23:19:54 <RyanM> especially the search
Jun 26 23:20:28 <nownot> weird issue, on the nexus 4 my imageView background colors are transparent, on the s4 they're black …. ideas / thoughts?
Jun 26 23:20:35 <RyanM> a lot of time it'll link you to the live site
Jun 26 23:20:42 <RyanM> which isn't a lot of help when it's down
Jun 26 23:20:51 <g00s> RyanM yeah, or there is no interwebs :D
Jun 26 23:21:01 <RyanM> if you have time, file bugs.
Jun 26 23:21:10 <lou_> hi everyone
Jun 26 23:21:14 <evanc> g00s: you've been in this channel for years now. Why haven't you simply memorized the docs yet?
Jun 26 23:21:29 <g00s> evanc you guys do add new stuff, once in a while :D
Jun 26 23:21:41 <evanc> g00s: memorizing deltas shouldn't take very long
Jun 26 23:21:48 <speakingcode-wor> nownot: try setting the background explicitly
Jun 26 23:21:53 <lou_> I am in a dilemma and in new territory
Jun 26 23:21:58 <g00s> it should be elementary for the doc guys to run a link checker on the offline version
Jun 26 23:22:03 <lou_> I would like some suggestions, if you have sometime
Jun 26 23:22:08 <nownot> speakingcode-wor: did, tried android:background="@null" as well as color/transparent
Jun 26 23:22:12 <evanc> lou_: don't ask to ask--just ask
Jun 26 23:22:39 <lou_> lol. u r right. I have the UI Thread and a runnable class
Jun 26 23:23:03 <lou_> in between those 2 I have a singleton interface as the middleman
Jun 26 23:23:26 <lou_> either way. from a separate class, how can I send a handler msg to the UI thread?
Jun 26 23:23:45 <jgarbers> i'm working on two apps in an Eclipse workspace. App A is a content provider; app B wants to access A's content. I believe I've defined permissions correctly, but am still getting a "Permission Denial" error saying B doesn't have the permission.  That permission is defined in B's manifest. Can anyone suggest a fix? Might this be a signing issue?
Jun 26 23:23:46 <speakingcode-wor> runOnUiThread(new Runnable() { ... })
Jun 26 23:24:16 <g00s> jgarbers exported=true ?
Jun 26 23:24:35 <lou_> let me look into that suggestion
Jun 26 23:24:40 <jgarbers> g00s: yes, and multiprocess=true for that matter; doubt if that one's relevant to this error
Jun 26 23:25:24 <speakingcode-wor> lou_: that is a method of Activity. so you will need a reference to your Activity object to be able to call it. if you have a reference to your activity, be sure that the reference is set back to null when youre done to avoid memory leaking
Jun 26 23:26:08 <lou_> ah!!! see, I was scare of memory leaks; so, I didn't try to reference my activity on my separate class
Jun 26 23:26:35 <speakingcode-wor> yeah if it's a static singleton or some other kind of static reference, you'll want to explicity set it to null when you're done
Jun 26 23:26:50 <jgarbers> g00s: here's how I've set it up: http://pastebin.com/VnGLFjF1
Jun 26 23:27:03 <lou_> the class is in its own java file; so, it's not a static class, per se
Jun 26 23:27:24 <lou_> either way. I have a follow up question to that
Jun 26 23:27:44 <speakingcode-wor> a non static class can still have a static reference
Jun 26 23:27:52 <lou_> when should I null the reference?
Jun 26 23:27:58 <speakingcode-wor> when you're done with it
Jun 26 23:28:02 <lou_> u r right, it does have a static reference :)
Jun 26 23:28:20 <JesusFreke> jgarbers:  do you declare the custom permission, in A?
Jun 26 23:28:42 <jgarbers> JesusFreke: ah, maybe not. what's the tag? i'll check
Jun 26 23:28:44 <lou_> I see; so, when the activity's OnStop() is called, that's where I stop my thread, etc
Jun 26 23:28:44 <g00s> yeah, i would try without the permissions first
Jun 26 23:28:59 <lou_> I guess, I can null my activity reference there, yes?
Jun 26 23:29:01 <JesusFreke> jgarbers: <permission>, under <manifest>
Jun 26 23:29:02 <speakingcode-wor> yeah i mean it depends on how you hvae this thing architected
Jun 26 23:29:12 <JesusFreke> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/permission-element.html
Jun 26 23:29:23 <speakingcode-wor> it sounds like tho you have a singleton class to kick off the thread, and you're using that class to reference the activity to send it a 'callback' message yeah?
Jun 26 23:29:33 <lou_> yup
Jun 26 23:29:36 <jgarbers> JesusFreke: oh, man, I bet that's it. I have uses-permission but no permission. thought just having it in the provider element would suffice.
Jun 26 23:29:49 <speakingcode-wor> then yeah, could probbably do it one of two ways
Jun 26 23:29:51 <lou_> that singleton will handle thread results and socket connection as well
Jun 26 23:30:30 <speakingcode-wor> you could seti t null from within the singleton, after it makes the callback or wherever makes sense for you
Jun 26 23:30:33 * g00s downloads d.android.com the hard way
Jun 26 23:31:04 <lou_> I see. the thread will continue to poll a remote server in between the Activity's OnStart and OnStop
Jun 26 23:31:08 <jgarbers> JesusFreke: are the label, description, etc. required if this is a private permission between cooperating applications?
Jun 26 23:31:19 <jgarbers> we don't expect to expose this provider outside the company's apps
Jun 26 23:31:43 <JesusFreke>  jgarbers:  dunno :)
Jun 26 23:31:43 <lou_> every 2 seconds, the thread will request for info from the remote server; so, I need to keep the reference alive in between those activity events
Jun 26 23:31:47 <speakingcode-wor> or the Activity could set the reference null... it's just a preference it sounds like in this case. should the singleton decide it's done with the activity, and detach it, or should the activity decide it's done listening for callbacks and detach itself
Jun 26 23:31:57 <jgarbers> JesusFreke: I'll experiment. Thanks a 1E6 for the help; bet this'll work.
Jun 26 23:36:23 <tnzr> padding is clickable right?
Jun 26 23:36:30 <tnzr> either it's not or im going crazy here
Jun 26 23:39:26 <jgarbers> JesusFreke: works great. Thanks again; I completely missed that element.
Jun 26 23:39:31 <JesusFreke> np :)
Jun 27 00:08:27 <elegos> is it possible to create a layout which is able to translate horizontally with a swipe?
Jun 27 00:11:14 <bankai_> like a viewpager ?
Jun 27 00:12:51 <elegos> no, like a "fluid", big view which doesn't load on swipe, like fragments do
Jun 27 00:13:35 <elegos> or - if it's impossible, a tab-based fragments set, but within an inner view (and not all the activity's layout)
Jun 27 00:14:00 <romainguy> HorizontalScrollView?
Jun 27 00:14:39 <elegos> thanks romainguy, I'm gonna check it out :)
Jun 27 00:24:28 <trodis> ive got some trouble with this piece of code R.string.myString
Jun 27 00:25:01 <trodis> it doesnt see my defined strings in layout --> strings.xml
Jun 27 00:25:11 <trodis> using android-studio
Jun 27 00:26:30 <trodis> !list
Jun 27 00:27:44 <trodis> is someone there to help?
Jun 27 00:27:46 <bankai_> trodis: is your XML valid ?
Jun 27 00:28:11 <trodis> yes seems that way
Jun 27 00:28:21 <trodis> android studio says its fine
Jun 27 00:28:34 <trodis> no errors
Jun 27 00:28:47 <trodis> the preview design on the right side is also working
Jun 27 00:28:57 <bankai_> it's R.id.blah
Jun 27 00:29:49 <trodis> no R.id refers to something elese it refers to the elements inside the layout / main.xml
Jun 27 00:30:09 <trodis> but i want to acces to may defined strings inside value / strings.xml
Jun 27 00:35:52 <RyanM> trodis: Check to see if you accidentally imported android.R in the source file.
Jun 27 00:36:13 <trodis> nope i already checked that
Jun 27 00:47:19 <g00s> i've been using eclipse 3.8 until now - just tried kepler; man this is ugly on a mac
Jun 27 00:47:45 <g00s> looks like some of the toolbars aren't even drawing correctly
Jun 27 00:47:50 <g00s> /trashbain
Jun 27 00:47:55 <g00s> *bin
Jun 27 01:07:11 <tnzr> anyone ever experienced an issue where a view wont properly layout_below a ProgressBar in a RelativeLayout?
Jun 27 01:07:39 <tnzr> it like..sits on top of it
Jun 27 01:09:43 <g00s> JesusFreke what did you say was the closest idea to gen/ in the default gradle dir structure? someplace in build/ presumably
Jun 27 01:10:12 <g00s> i noticed you just put the generated ragel .java file in the regular source code, i wanted to keep them separate
Jun 27 01:19:55 <occ> is it worth downloading platform tools for 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 (honeycomb)?   the dashboard says honeycomb is only 0.1%
Jun 27 01:21:17 <sinistersnare> occ: im guessing if you want to cater to honeycomb users then yes, download honeycomb
Jun 27 01:21:29 <g00s> wat hc users ?
Jun 27 01:21:41 <occ> do most developers bother i mean?
Jun 27 01:21:57 <theelfismike> occ - no
Jun 27 01:22:01 <occ> ok
Jun 27 01:22:21 <theelfismike> download it later if you get a bug report - otherwise don't bother
Jun 27 01:22:44 <theelfismike> i've never used it and work for a company with a pretty large user base
Jun 27 01:23:23 <occ> i see. thanks.... i guess ill just download 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and 4.0 and above
Jun 27 01:24:01 <g00s> even if you get a bug report, its not worth it. few users + buggy release = sorry guys
Jun 27 01:24:28 <theelfismike> depends on your app, but yeah
Jun 27 01:24:38 <occ> ok cool
Jun 27 01:24:48 <theelfismike> i would also consider not doing 2.1 (and maybe 2.2)
Jun 27 01:25:29 <romainguy> a bug filed 2 weeks ago that becomes an MR2 candidate today
Jun 27 01:25:33 <romainguy> seriously, what the fuck
Jun 27 01:26:25 <trodis> i my god this android studio is so buggy
Jun 27 01:26:35 <trodis> nothing works properly like in eclipse or intellij
Jun 27 01:26:40 <trodis> idea
Jun 27 01:26:49 <theelfismike> trodis - like what?
Jun 27 01:27:11 <trodis> build always fails for some reason
Jun 27 01:27:37 <trodis> importing projects is comes always with trouble and resolving errors
Jun 27 01:27:52 <trodis> built in git support doesnt work well its confusing
Jun 27 01:28:24 <trodis> 1k year old R.foo.bar error is always giving me headaches
Jun 27 01:29:19 <occ> whats an MR2 candidate
Jun 27 01:29:27 <theelfismike> 4.3?
Jun 27 01:29:43 <trodis> i cant access my strings in res / layout / strigns.xml
Jun 27 01:29:57 <trodis> build error with R package does not exist!!! Come one!
Jun 27 01:30:04 <trodis> *on
Jun 27 01:33:48 <navetz> hey guys, if I was to have users creating accounts and logging in on my android app, would I have to do so using some kind of SOAP service?
Jun 27 01:34:11 <whateverman> you can
Jun 27 01:36:31 <navetz> whateverman: are there other better methods for doing it? I'm new to android dev what are some good practices?
Jun 27 01:36:48 <whateverman> well, like...
Jun 27 01:36:57 <whateverman> it's a *really* complicated question to answer
Jun 27 01:37:03 <whateverman> go to http://owasp.com
Jun 27 01:38:11 <navetz> whateverman: okay thanks
Jun 27 01:44:10 <dck28> hello theelfismike, I've starting trying to integrate robolectric to my project, want to ask you a few specific questions and hope you won't mind. The current setup is geared towards the idea IDE, which I don't mind. The older ways to test in Android, although needed dexing and running through emulators/devices, allows project independence. Basically the test projects resides in a completely different directory. This is nice cause then
Jun 27 01:44:11 <dck28>  I can ensure that there are not dependency issues when shipping. I'm just wondering how you normally manage this aspect when using robolectric?
Jun 27 01:46:05 <g00s> this oreilly gradle book didn't explain anything at all !
Jun 27 01:46:27 <theelfismike> dck28 - the directory structure usually has /src /res and /test at the top level, with robolectric tests in /test
Jun 27 01:48:27 <trodis> got some trouble with git
Jun 27 01:48:48 <trodis> how can i overwrite via git pull foo master my github files with the current local files of my project
Jun 27 01:49:21 <g00s> trodis #git would be the best place to ask
Jun 27 01:49:26 <trodis> k thx
Jun 27 01:50:34 <dck28> theelfismike: well I thought it needed src/main/java and src/test/java…
Jun 27 01:51:39 <theelfismike> my folder structure is /test/src/com/foo and /src/com/foo from the top level of the project
Jun 27 01:53:36 <dck28> theelfismike: huh.. interesting.. cause I'm just following their sample project, may i ask what requirements are neede in the configurations for .idea? are there any specific setups like the compile.xml file etc...?
Jun 27 01:54:31 <dck28> or if you have a better suggestions how I can setup my project to utilize robolectric that'll be awesome...
Jun 27 01:54:44 <dck28> ideally if there's just one jar file that i need to include and that's it.. that'll be awesome
Jun 27 01:55:04 <dck28> but i doesn't seem like they have packed everything into a single jar file yet
Jun 27 01:55:55 <theelfismike> yeah, you should be able to get a jar… https://oss.sonatype.org/index.html#nexus-search;quick~robolectric
Jun 27 01:56:13 <theelfismike> i have that jar in /test/lib/
Jun 27 01:56:24 <theelfismike> so /test/lib /test/src and /src
Jun 27 01:56:33 <theelfismike> and /lib
Jun 27 01:56:36 <dck28> and everything else stays the same?
Jun 27 01:57:26 <theelfismike> did you use that "Android intellij starter" thing?
Jun 27 01:57:45 <theelfismike> not sure what "the same" is
Jun 27 01:57:48 <dck28> nah.. i just cloned their sample project
Jun 27 01:58:42 <dck28> the same means.. my current project is setup a certain way.. so all I need is to add the class paths you mentioned… while keeping my other project structure the same
Jun 27 01:58:57 <dck28> would i hook up to the target tested classes accordingly?
Jun 27 01:59:01 <theelfismike> yeah, you should be able to just add a test folder and put your tests and the jar in there
Jun 27 01:59:42 <dck28> huh.. interesting.. their setup guide is way more complicated and i guess misleading if that's the case…
Jun 27 01:59:46 <theelfismike> you shouldn't have to change the targeted classes too much - just exposing them as public or protected (you can create a TestFoo that extends Foo which exposes those methods)
Jun 27 01:59:56 <theelfismike> can you point me to what you're looking at?
Jun 27 02:00:21 <dck28> http://pivotal.github.io/robolectric/intellij-quick-start.html
Jun 27 02:01:40 <dck28> i'm following the Manual Creation section
Jun 27 02:02:29 <dck28> see how they have src/main/java and src/test/java...
Jun 27 02:02:31 <theelfismike> ah, interesting. i've been using it for a while, so don't remember the setup stuff too much, i'll re-read how they're suggesting it now
Jun 27 02:02:43 <dck28> that would completely throw off my current setup.. haha.. thanks
Jun 27 02:06:27 <theelfismike> ah, i kinda see what they're doing - it's set up with maven style folder structures
Jun 27 02:07:03 <theelfismike> not really a fan of what's changed
Jun 27 02:07:39 <dck28> yah.. i'm not too keen on that either… I'm wondering if you could let me know what's the most straightforward way to add their jar..
Jun 27 02:08:00 <theelfismike> i think it just has to be in the classpath when the tests run
Jun 27 02:08:14 <theelfismike> they've created that /lib/test folder at the top level and put it in there
Jun 27 02:08:29 <theelfismike> the build systems should ignore /lib when you build the real app
Jun 27 02:08:43 <theelfismike> but they're having maven/intellij add that folder to the classpath
Jun 27 02:08:57 <theelfismike> (/libs gets pulled in automagically)
Jun 27 02:10:16 <dck28> right… so if I just add the jar to the new path /lib, and have all the test code under test/src… then configure the build path for running tests to include /lib… then I should be all set?
Jun 27 02:10:32 <theelfismike> yeah, i think so
Jun 27 02:10:56 <dck28> hahaha… ok…. i'll let you know how that goes… :)
Jun 27 02:11:09 <theelfismike> cool, good luck!
Jun 27 02:14:50 <Maziz> hi all
Jun 27 02:15:04 <Maziz> anybody know how to emulate a device without 3g module
Jun 27 02:15:14 <Maziz> example, WIFI edition of device.
Jun 27 02:19:04 <theelfismike> Maziz why would you need to emulate that specifically?
Jun 27 02:19:33 <Maziz> some of the device we deployed are WIFI only
Jun 27 02:19:37 <Maziz> there's no 3g model
Jun 27 02:19:43 <Maziz> 3g module*
Jun 27 02:19:59 <Maziz> so in order to test, I am trying to emulate a device that has no 3g module
Jun 27 02:20:04 <Maziz> WIFI only
Jun 27 02:20:23 <theelfismike> what's the difference to the application?
Jun 27 02:21:01 <Maziz> using internet connection via 3g has some special process such as notifying users that they are using 3g
Jun 27 02:21:04 <Maziz> things like that
Jun 27 02:21:58 <theelfismike> it shouldn't matter to the application
Jun 27 02:24:24 <Maziz> well we are diagnosing a bug that only occurs in WIFI only device
Jun 27 02:25:06 <theelfismike> heh is it an android 3.x device by any chance?
Jun 27 02:25:36 <Maziz> most probably
Jun 27 02:25:37 <Maziz> why?
Jun 27 02:26:07 <theelfismike> came up earlier tonight in the chat
Jun 27 02:26:10 <SpeedEvil> pull the sim card?
Jun 27 02:26:13 <theelfismike> 3.0 being barely used and pretty buggy
Jun 27 02:26:43 <Maziz> my theory is
Jun 27 02:26:46 <Maziz> this line
Jun 27 02:26:47 <Maziz> boolean is3g = manager.getNetworkInfo(ConnectivityManager.TYPE_MOBILE).isConnectedOrConnecting();
Jun 27 02:26:58 <Maziz> if the device doesn't have any 3g module
Jun 27 02:27:02 <Maziz> would it trigger
Jun 27 02:27:07 <Maziz> an exception
Jun 27 02:29:20 <theelfismike> interesting
Jun 27 02:32:18 <Maziz> unfortunately, i do not have a WIFI only device to test. Hence trying to use the emulator if it's possiuble
Jun 27 02:32:21 <Maziz> possible*
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike> impl of getNetworkInfo in the open source proj:     public NetworkInfo getNetworkInfo(int networkType) {
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>         try {
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>             return mService.getNetworkInfo(networkType);
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>         } catch (RemoteException e) {
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>             return null;
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>         }
Jun 27 02:32:29 <theelfismike>     }
Jun 27 02:32:42 <theelfismike> where service implements ConnectivityManager
Jun 27 02:33:49 <clever> Maziz: if i remember correctly, it may just return a null NetworkInfo object
Jun 27 02:34:23 <Maziz> i see so if it returns null, the isConnectedOrConnecting will cause an exception
Jun 27 02:35:49 <theelfismike> looks like it
Jun 27 02:36:37 <Maziz> so yeah back to original question
Jun 27 02:36:47 <Maziz> can i disable the 3g module in android emulator?
Jun 27 02:37:42 <otiose> With a drawable selector resource, can I make its state_pressed change based on whether its selected or not?
Jun 27 02:38:00 <otiose> ie have the pressed state change when it's not selected, but stay the same when it is selected?
Jun 27 02:39:54 <theelfismike> Maziz - looks like this will work: http://stackoverflow.com/a/15274657/1337412
Jun 27 02:40:01 <theelfismike> just tried it on my device
Jun 27 02:40:29 <theelfismike> tl:dr add hw.gsmModem=no
Jun 27 02:40:29 <theelfismike>  to your <avd path>/your.avd/config.ini
Jun 27 02:41:07 <Maziz> gsmModem governs 3g, calls and stuff?
Jun 27 02:41:52 <theelfismike> http://developer.android.com/tools/devices/managing-avds.html#hardwareopts
Jun 27 02:41:57 <theelfismike> Whether there is a GSM modem in the device. Default value is "yes".
Jun 27 02:42:46 <Maziz> ok let me try it out. thanks
Jun 27 02:47:24 <otiose> nevermind, im stupid; i didnt know you could combine states like this
Jun 27 02:52:10 <Maziz> i see
Jun 27 02:52:16 <Maziz> 3g definitely deactivated
Jun 27 02:54:23 <Maziz> but then again
Jun 27 02:54:24 <Maziz> http://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html#limitations
Jun 27 02:54:25 <Maziz> >_<
Jun 27 02:54:35 <Maziz> so i still need a device
Jun 27 02:54:38 <Maziz> it seems
Jun 27 02:55:16 <theelfismike> grab a nexus 7
Jun 27 02:55:16 <theelfismike> $199 for wifi only
Jun 27 02:57:33 <Maziz> haha, ill let my team know about this
Jun 27 02:57:39 <Maziz> thanks guys
Jun 27 02:58:21 <theelfismike> sure, good luck - sorry for giving you a hard time, first time i'd seen someone using ConnectivityManager that way
Jun 27 02:58:40 <theelfismike> (not that it's right or wrong, just a first)
Jun 27 02:59:20 <Maziz> nah no problem
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