**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 02 02:59:58 2013
Jul 02 03:04:20 <flipture> tis quiet
Jul 02 03:09:59 <pfn> it's after hours
Jul 02 03:10:01 <pfn> of course it'll be quiet
Jul 02 03:25:57 <homestarz> hi guys. im looking to get into mobile dev and am leaning heavily towards android being the platform i want to use.  i'm curious, if one builds and app for nexus 4, can the same app run on galaxy s4? i notice samsung has numerous development sdk's so i wasn't sure if there were additional dependencies to use those?
Jul 02 03:28:22 <llamapixel> Perhaps start with a hardware comparison homestarz http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phone/3448434/galaxy-s4-vs-nexus-4-smartphone-comparison-review/
Jul 02 03:29:48 <homestarz> i forgot to mention, assume the hardware is not the limiting factor (e.g. if i build a calculator app can you use it on all android devices or is it like linux where you have to build the app for teh specific distros?)
Jul 02 03:30:21 <llamapixel> derp
Jul 02 03:34:48 <pfn> if you want to use specific hardware and whatnot, you'll need the libraries to use them, but no particular "sdk ednvironment"
Jul 02 03:35:00 <pfn> you can build it for all linux distros, if you want
Jul 02 03:35:05 <pfn> static linking works fine
Jul 02 03:35:13 <homestarz> thanks pfn
Jul 02 04:12:02 <androidnewb> Hi guys, how do you getExtras() from activity that does not follow the current activity call the getExtras()?
Jul 02 04:12:16 <androidnewb> Hi guys, how do you getExtras() from activity that does not follow the current activity calling the getExtras()?
Jul 02 04:32:47 <jak2000> can i run a jnlo into my android device?
Jul 02 04:35:48 <nekosama> Hello there!
Jul 02 04:36:23 <nekosama> Can someone help me?
Jul 02 04:36:44 <nekosama> i have a little problem with DatePickerDialog and i am getting mad :S
Jul 02 04:41:11 <jak2000> RyanM are you there?
Jul 02 04:50:06 <DrCode> is there monitor mode in android mobile phone?
Jul 02 04:59:46 <pfn> monitor what
Jul 02 06:00:34 <pfn> man, using my tablet as a second screen for watching videos is so awesome, since I can just broadcast the audio to my computer and play it through there
Jul 02 06:00:34 <pfn> and I don't need a second monitor
Jul 02 06:00:34 <pfn> and damnit, how the hell do I set a padding on the left side of a compoundbutton's button image
Jul 02 06:00:34 <pfn> are there any 1px/transparent drawables?
Jul 02 06:00:34 <pfn> (in the framework)
Jul 02 06:03:52 <screwsss> pfn: are you serious
Jul 02 06:05:59 <pfn> oh well, I can just set a transparent colordrawable
Jul 02 06:13:21 <ron_frown> so is google planning dropping sihtty ass java any time soon?
Jul 02 06:13:51 <ron_frown> I'm getting sick of having to have 2x1.5ghz processors to run about the same as a 700mhz iphone
Jul 02 06:17:18 <Time2303> can't imagine so
Jul 02 06:17:25 <ron_frown> unfortunate
Jul 02 06:17:32 <ron_frown> cant see that problem just going away
Jul 02 06:17:53 <ron_frown> even when new java gets speced out and google decides to move on it, they gotta make that shit happen with dalvik
Jul 02 06:18:02 <ron_frown> so its like deprecated java till the end!
Jul 02 06:20:49 <pfn> the resolution is simple, improve dalvik
Jul 02 06:21:04 <xor_mind-> are the different kernals out there vastly different from stock, or is it just usually a few thousand lines of code?
Jul 02 06:22:54 <_abc_> Hello. I just saw the news on the ZTE from Telefonica .es with Firefox OS. Besides being yet another platform to cover by developers, is that not also a 'Google Franchise'? In the sense that all searches etc from Firefox have been pointing at Google for a /long/ time now, and that has not changed?
Jul 02 06:23:02 <p_l> xor_mind-: usually it's "I have no idea what I am doing"
Jul 02 06:23:05 <_abc_> Iow, is that an Android variant or what?
Jul 02 06:23:15 <_abc_> p_l: /:
Jul 02 06:23:47 <p_l> _abc_: that's the general state of modding community, fortunately there are some heavyweights that pull everyone up
Jul 02 06:24:47 <_abc_> Yes, but is it Android compatible? In SDK/runtime libs?
Jul 02 06:24:47 <p_l> ron_frown: I think java isn't the only reason. These days, I suspect going with LLVM bitstream instead of DVM might have been better, though
Jul 02 06:24:54 <_abc_> Or is it yet another platform to support?
Jul 02 06:24:59 <p_l> _abc_: FirefoxOS is a different platform
Jul 02 06:25:21 <_abc_> Chrome based, no doubt?!
Jul 02 06:25:34 <ron_frown> pfn axe java
Jul 02 06:25:39 <ron_frown> I want a purely native option
Jul 02 06:25:42 <Leeds> _abc_: you're joking, right?
Jul 02 06:25:43 <p_l> _abc_: nope, Firefox
Jul 02 06:26:01 <ron_frown> with toolkit
Jul 02 06:26:57 <ron_frown> I remembre when people first got mono running on android phones... pretty sad that with the mono runtime, mono+mono app was faster than java + androids java stuff
Jul 02 06:27:05 <pfn> llvm isn't completely native either
Jul 02 06:27:11 <pfn> but that's what powers ios
Jul 02 06:27:21 <pfn> ios apps
Jul 02 06:27:27 <p_l> pfn: LLVM doesn't power iOS
Jul 02 06:27:31 <ron_frown> I like android... really like how open it is and god knows I've done stuff I couldnt do with other os's when it comes to my custom hardware
Jul 02 06:27:49 <pfn> p_l, hmm? maybe I'm mistaken by the original toolchains I used for ios a long time ago
Jul 02 06:28:00 <p_l> pfn: the original toolchain was GCC
Jul 02 06:28:01 <ron_frown> I dont think they did anything stupid like apples weird flat too far approach etc
Jul 02 06:28:08 <ron_frown> I'm just over jumping all the god damn hurdles
Jul 02 06:28:13 <ron_frown> to me its honestly easier to build ios apps
Jul 02 06:28:20 <pfn> p_l, gcc has an llvm target...
Jul 02 06:28:24 <ron_frown> memory leaks and shitty gdb
Jul 02 06:28:36 <p_l> pfn: but in general, iOS doesn't care, it gets a Mach-O arm executable for OSX linked with right libs and that's all
Jul 02 06:28:59 <p_l> pfn: llvm-gcc isn't exactly a "gcc with llvm target"
Jul 02 06:30:05 <ron_frown> I didnt mean to start a big ass argument =(
Jul 02 06:30:19 <ron_frown> I just wish google would make shit more efficient and give more options
Jul 02 06:30:29 <ron_frown> stuff like play services doesnt feel like moves in the correct direction
Jul 02 06:30:47 <ron_frown> shit like heres tons of new func, get a new phone because yours will never see a rom update
Jul 02 06:41:56 <p_l> ron_frown: I think Dalvik was reasonable compromise, but a solution more along the lines of AS/400 (aka IBM i) might be better these days
Jul 02 06:42:03 <p_l> but would require a lot of work now
Jul 02 06:42:25 <ron_frown> I dont know what that is
Jul 02 06:42:27 <p_l> otherwise we might have ended up with C++ toolkits, and C++ interop doesn't exist
Jul 02 06:42:31 <ron_frown> I thought AS400 was servers =)
Jul 02 06:43:20 <p_l> ron_frown: I mean AS/400 OS - it doesn't compile "native" at all, at least outside very small core kernel, instead it compiles to a virtual machine and *then* compiles that down to native code on installation
Jul 02 06:43:48 <p_l> think of it like generating LLVM bytecode then having phone/tablet compile and optimize it for its own cpu
Jul 02 06:44:19 <ron_frown> sure
Jul 02 06:44:26 <ron_frown> sounds a bit like what java does
Jul 02 06:44:33 <ron_frown> or .net clr bytecode
Jul 02 06:44:46 <ron_frown> I've just have MUCH MUCH MUCH better luck with .net's performance
Jul 02 06:44:52 <p_l> ron_frown: well, not exactly - the code that runs is native, it's just compiled transparently
Jul 02 06:45:05 <ron_frown> oh I see what you are saying
Jul 02 06:45:25 <p_l> CLR does have AoT compilation, though, which is nice (it generally got a lot of stuff better...)
Jul 02 06:46:35 <Pitel_IPEX> how can I migrate my Ant project to Android Studio? I can't find any tutorial online, and nothing about Ant in Studio itself. :(
Jul 02 06:46:40 <p_l> ron_frown: Java gave Android another advantage - easy access for new programmers. iOS was kinda forced to accept applications other than javascript ones by people who cracked it open and found out it was just OSX with few libs
Jul 02 06:47:03 <ron_frown> yeah I can see the why
Jul 02 06:47:09 <ron_frown> but its beginning to hinder
Jul 02 06:47:27 <_abc_> Wow I seem to have started an argument here
Jul 02 06:47:39 <ron_frown> I'd truthfully rather just have the android linux stack and kernel libs etc and run qt on top of that
Jul 02 06:47:47 <ron_frown> I woudlnt shy away from c++
Jul 02 06:47:58 <ron_frown> its not as easy app for app as java
Jul 02 06:48:01 <_abc_> I so wish the collection of tards usually known as 'standards organizations' would step in and do something about standardizing at least one variant of portable bytecode
Jul 02 06:48:08 <p_l> ron_frown: I would. C++ means you have to use C++, because interop essentially doesn't exist
Jul 02 06:48:17 <ron_frown> interop with what
Jul 02 06:48:20 <_abc_> New and 'new' devel platforms seem to be able to make up their own on a weekly basis
Jul 02 06:48:31 <_abc_> p_l: is right
Jul 02 06:48:42 <_abc_> C++ is a lock in even for open standards or compilers
Jul 02 06:48:44 <p_l> ron_frown: if I wanted a different language. Python etc. doesn't count being essentially an interpreter written in C/C++
Jul 02 06:48:47 <ron_frown> c/c++ are the languages everyone shoots to inerop with
Jul 02 06:48:56 <p_l> ron_frown: C has interop. C++ does not
Jul 02 06:49:00 <_abc_> more like c not c++
Jul 02 06:49:02 <xor_mind-> i'm getting an unlocked nexus 4 from google, is there an officially supported way to backup your phone with the android sdk or do you have to use other people's tools?
Jul 02 06:49:18 <p_l> believe me, I went through gritty details of how C++ calls work, it's hell to implement
Jul 02 06:49:18 <_abc_> ron_frown: have you tried to port c++ apps beween even the same platform, 10 years later?
Jul 02 06:49:21 <ron_frown> xor_mind- you can do it with adb
Jul 02 06:49:26 <ron_frown> no
Jul 02 06:49:34 <_abc_> ron_frown: then please do not talk about it
Jul 02 06:49:39 <_abc_> ron_frown: people here have scars
Jul 02 06:49:52 <p_l> ron_frown: I managed to see !<pointerToClass> fail with 2 pages of template-oriented output
Jul 02 06:49:53 <ron_frown> wtd?
Jul 02 06:49:59 <ron_frown> haha
Jul 02 06:50:04 <ron_frown> been there done that
Jul 02 06:50:06 <p_l> the code I was compiling didn't use templates
Jul 02 06:50:21 <p_l> nor was the operator overloaded
Jul 02 06:50:40 <p_l> that is, not by the program
Jul 02 06:50:42 * _abc_ desperately sucks on his 2nd coffee cup this morning - 10am approaching here and still no buzz
Jul 02 06:50:57 <p_l> _abc_: I am after second unslept night, with a wink here and there
Jul 02 06:51:05 <_abc_> p_l: go catch up
Jul 02 06:51:27 <_abc_> I call this 'bug time' and I'm a hardware guy. My bugs have smoke throwables...
Jul 02 06:51:28 <p_l> _abc_: can't, work to do
Jul 02 06:53:47 <_abc_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS anyway let's hope FF is as bad at locking out rooting as the others were and are ... ;)
Jul 02 06:53:59 <ron_frown> oh god
Jul 02 06:54:01 <ron_frown> oh god
Jul 02 06:54:04 <ron_frown> oh god
Jul 02 06:54:10 <_abc_> ron_frown: yes?
Jul 02 06:54:10 <ron_frown> ff os is a joke mayng
Jul 02 06:54:38 <ron_frown> and the fact they are going to start their os off on some non flagship grade hardware is gonna screw em
Jul 02 06:54:43 <_abc_> ron_frown: more so or less so than Google Everything running in firefox on your desktop pc every day?
Jul 02 06:55:13 <ron_frown> hey if you want to accept web apps as replacements for desktop apps, more power to you
Jul 02 06:55:17 <p_l> ron_frown: supposedly they want to target low-end market
Jul 02 06:55:23 <Leeds> ron_frown: AIUI the idea is that the smartphone space is stitched up, but dumbphones are still a valid target - so a shitty smartphone at a dumbphone price...
Jul 02 06:55:26 <ron_frown> firefox xul shit was impressive
Jul 02 06:55:27 <ron_frown> BUT
Jul 02 06:55:28 <_abc_> ron_frown: and you have a choice since when?
Jul 02 06:55:41 <p_l> we'll see how it goes with their *downloadable* apps
Jul 02 06:55:49 <p_l> web apps are *dead* in low-end
Jul 02 06:55:56 <ron_frown> I dont get the impression xul is any way shape or form
Jul 02 06:55:57 <_abc_> not really
Jul 02 06:55:58 <_abc_> dead
Jul 02 06:56:01 <ron_frown> dude
Jul 02 06:56:08 <Leeds> all it means is that they've got some factory to take a 2 year old design off the shelf and make a load of them cheaply
Jul 02 06:56:09 <ron_frown> I build fast hardware, running chrome in android
Jul 02 06:56:22 <ron_frown> and they cant come CLOSE to touching androids java stuff
Jul 02 06:56:26 <ron_frown> and their java stuff is slow +)
Jul 02 06:57:04 <ron_frown> and then you toss in there js fucking sucks big balls (dont get me wrong I am stuck in it day in and day out as well)
Jul 02 06:57:08 <p_l> ron_frown: I just point out that I don't think even LTE guarantees you don't get a sudden 1s latency spike somewhere, and imagine what it does to all the crap a "modern webapp" pulls
Jul 02 06:57:28 <p_l> mobile internet loves lag spikes
Jul 02 06:57:31 <p_l> *LOVES*
Jul 02 06:57:39 <ron_frown> p_l there is a lot available that can help minimize that with local storage and cache manifests etc
Jul 02 06:57:40 <ron_frown> but still
Jul 02 06:58:03 <ron_frown> I despise the world for trying to make shitty js into something it isnt, and probably wont ever really be
Jul 02 06:58:13 <_abc_> The problem I see is, people who program for these platforms are not trained /continously/ in hedging for lag and dropouts
Jul 02 06:58:22 <p_l> ron_frown: cache manifests are broken (someone wrote it better than I, but basically shit gets undone in face of update) etc.
Jul 02 06:58:25 <p_l> _abc_: that too
Jul 02 06:58:29 <_abc_> I think I know 3 apps which are lag and dropout resistant and all 3 are command line ones
Jul 02 06:58:34 <_abc_> One is ssh...
Jul 02 06:58:35 <ron_frown> p_l dont doubt that
Jul 02 06:58:59 <p_l> _abc_: Instagram actually had extensive network latency workarounds, which is probably why it got big
Jul 02 06:59:04 <_abc_> Maybe
Jul 02 06:59:19 <ron_frown> see sadly what flash and .net had going for it (that the world failed to recognize) was that it was in browser dlr / vm
Jul 02 06:59:26 <ron_frown> which was actually real practical
Jul 02 06:59:28 <_abc_> Personally I prefer to think in transaction model mode, as seen f.ex. in SQL with BEGIN/COMMIT blocks
Jul 02 06:59:35 <ron_frown> and it wasnt some hobbled language
Jul 02 06:59:39 <ron_frown> that was only ever half assed at best
Jul 02 06:59:47 <ron_frown> all the flashy shit got in the way
Jul 02 06:59:56 <_abc_> But that does not play well with modern expectations of 'interactive' realtime feedback which users expect
Jul 02 07:00:00 <ron_frown> I dont min html/css for presentation
Jul 02 07:00:05 <p_l> _abc_: Instagram did something like that, in a way - it started a "transaction" but only committed it if you decided to save the photo
Jul 02 07:00:06 <_abc_> Unless you lie a LOT in the ui about the feedback
Jul 02 07:00:13 <ron_frown> just js is just plain terrible
Jul 02 07:00:26 <_abc_> Not true, js is just another language.
Jul 02 07:00:34 <_abc_> It depends who codes in it and how well.
Jul 02 07:00:47 <p_l> ron_frown: flash had the problem of being there first so people remember all the crap it was used for :>
Jul 02 07:00:53 <ron_frown> yeah
Jul 02 07:00:54 <_abc_> It does have major dark areas including portability woes in the DOM area but it is just another language.
Jul 02 07:00:55 <ron_frown> I agree
Jul 02 07:01:01 <ron_frown> even nacl is super interesting to me
Jul 02 07:01:09 <ron_frown> but I tihnk a lot of people are going to avoid ti because goog
Jul 02 07:01:17 <ron_frown> js is shit dude
Jul 02 07:01:22 <p_l> pnacl is quite interesting, but no one outside google wants to work with it
Jul 02 07:01:30 <p_l> instead they give us, *shivers*, asm.js
Jul 02 07:01:53 <_abc_> My personal fsvorite online js app is the COSMAC ELF realtime ebedded board emulator which runs in real time and almost as fast as the ~1977 hardware it emulates.
Jul 02 07:02:19 <ron_frown> no compilation (not even the pseudo compilation byte code langs give us), no real imports, no real dynamic loading, no good standard recommendations for what is the PROPER way to build oo js code
Jul 02 07:02:20 <p_l> lol @ "almost as fast as the 1977" xD
Jul 02 07:02:27 <_abc_> yes,
Jul 02 07:03:05 <ron_frown> I looked at require.js and while I see what it attempts to solve, all it seems like it really does is complicate your code more for VERY little gain
Jul 02 07:03:35 <ron_frown> the you have coffeescript, dart, and any number of other langs that compile to js
Jul 02 07:03:51 <ron_frown> if you have to compile something TO js to make it less shitty, why cant we just adopt those langs as a standard
Jul 02 07:03:53 <ron_frown> fuck JS
Jul 02 07:04:10 <ron_frown> I actually like dart, it seems like a really truly viable optoin
Jul 02 07:04:27 <ron_frown> and dartium with dart code vs chrome or any other browser with js, dart stuff native is way faster
Jul 02 07:04:40 <p_l> ron_frown: Mozilla and others do not want
Jul 02 07:04:54 <_abc_> http://www.cosmac.szyc.org/ ron_frown see or courself. That is a full js realtime emulation of a CDP1802 RCA cpu, called from a realtime interactive GUI emulation of its development board (aka Cosmac Elf)
Jul 02 07:05:05 <ron_frown> yeah because they are happy with js
Jul 02 07:05:15 <_abc_> Also someone booted linux on js recently
Jul 02 07:05:34 <ron_frown> like my indian friend said once
Jul 02 07:05:47 <ron_frown> "...just because you can have sex with prostitute, doesnt mean you should"
Jul 02 07:06:16 <p_l> ron_frown: I'd add "at least go for high-class escort"? ;>
Jul 02 07:06:27 <ron_frown> people dont like to step back and look at the big problems
Jul 02 07:06:30 <ron_frown> instead the like to bandaid shit
Jul 02 07:06:33 <ron_frown> js works
Jul 02 07:06:35 <ron_frown> fuck js
Jul 02 07:07:51 <ron_frown> I hope everyone at firefox gets giardia and shits themselves to death
Jul 02 07:08:01 <ron_frown> I like open, I like that they are trying
Jul 02 07:08:05 <ron_frown> but fuck js
Jul 02 07:08:29 <ron_frown> its just the cool thing to like atm
Jul 02 07:08:29 <_abc_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mobile_operating_systems this is your future as a developer. That table does not fit my wideish screen now when zoomed to be legible. In 3 years it might need a wraparound room screen.
Jul 02 07:09:11 <ron_frown> I picked up a windows phone today (played with, not bought) and while I think some of the ui is questionable
Jul 02 07:09:23 <_abc_> ron_frown: the answer is NO
Jul 02 07:09:24 <ron_frown> there is no denying android is wasting a shitload of cycles =)
Jul 02 07:09:34 <ron_frown> its just no where near as responsive
Jul 02 07:09:47 <ron_frown> I mean wp8 is undoubtedly mostly native
Jul 02 07:09:47 <_abc_> ron_frown: wait until you need to update that thing ota or do anything important ota when the link drops
Jul 02 07:09:52 <_abc_> you don't want to go there
Jul 02 07:10:00 <ron_frown> no worries I'm not considering
Jul 02 07:10:18 <ron_frown> I just hope google has their finger on the pulse
Jul 02 07:10:35 <ron_frown> things look good, lots of great apps, usability is actually not too bad (though I think tablet could be improved)
Jul 02 07:10:36 <_abc_> How is Android market share computed again? 75% of what? Smartphone market?
Jul 02 07:11:16 <icetooth> does anybody know if there is a proven method for loading assets in a native activity? i was reading there is a bug with 2.3.x and it wasnt actually working for every device untill 3.0
Jul 02 07:11:25 <_abc_> ron_frown: people are so badly pissed off at the spying part revealed by Snowden, of which Goopile is a necessary leaking point, that Google might see its European side of operations freeze very fast
Jul 02 07:11:36 <_abc_> ron_frown: think of it as loking 350 million customers overnight.
Jul 02 07:11:40 <icetooth> bug was with getFilesDir() ?
Jul 02 07:11:40 <_abc_> *loosing
Jul 02 07:11:48 <ron_frown> I wouldnt be worried about that
Jul 02 07:11:56 <ron_frown> I mean I dont doubt it could happen
Jul 02 07:11:57 <_abc_> ron_frown: I am in Europe and I know what I will do.
Jul 02 07:12:44 <_abc_> Our national gumshoe spy companies are not something to look up to, especially here in Eastern Europe where they are just the old KGBish commie shit with eyes under a new name, but...
Jul 02 07:14:42 <icetooth> oh wait that wasnt where the bug was, thats a java function.. this was the bug i'm worrying about  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-ndk/4lD8OS-w4UU
Jul 02 07:17:43 <icetooth> i guess more importantly,  is /data/data/<identifier>/files  always the place to look? are there cases where that will not be accessible or a valid path?
Jul 02 07:18:12 <ron_frown> fuck its hot =(
Jul 02 07:18:34 <_abc_> West Coast?
Jul 02 07:18:49 <JakeWharton> icetooth: yes, when there are multiple users
Jul 02 07:19:04 <JakeWharton> use the helper methods to access those folders
Jul 02 07:19:05 <_abc_> Is there a default path?
Jul 02 07:19:17 <_abc_> /data/data/AllUsers/files ?
Jul 02 07:19:37 <JakeWharton> no
Jul 02 07:19:37 <_abc_> Windows usually has this in some form.
Jul 02 07:19:40 <_abc_> Okay
Jul 02 07:19:49 <_abc_> or /shared/ ?
Jul 02 07:19:52 <JakeWharton> no
Jul 02 07:20:03 <_abc_> hm. Is there a good reason for that...
Jul 02 07:20:03 <JakeWharton> shared directories are always nothing short of a trainwreack
Jul 02 07:20:08 <JakeWharton> -a
Jul 02 07:20:17 <JakeWharton> use the folders that are local to your app
Jul 02 07:20:41 <_abc_> I was talking per user. Per app also requires /shared/ ime
Jul 02 07:20:48 <icetooth> JakeWharton, but what do i do for those 2.3.x devices that have null internalDataPath and  externalDataPath
Jul 02 07:21:10 <icetooth> cross my fingers and hope they're single user?
Jul 02 07:21:13 <JakeWharton> icetooth: for old devices ONLY you can hardcode the path
Jul 02 07:22:08 <icetooth> oooh multi user is introduced in 4.2
Jul 02 07:22:09 <icetooth> ?
Jul 02 07:22:37 <JakeWharton> yes, but you should still always delegate to helper methods to resolve the path because they are never guaranteed
Jul 02 07:23:02 <JakeWharton> you can fall back to a hardcoded path as a last resort
Jul 02 07:24:02 <icetooth> thanks JakeWharton  that helps me a lot
Jul 02 07:32:25 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: just started looking at volley and saw your Google+ post about it and the OkHttp
Jul 02 07:32:50 <thepoosh> is this just instancing the queue with a specific client?
Jul 02 07:33:00 <thepoosh> or other tweaking needed?
Jul 02 07:36:21 <icetooth> oh an even better solution haha, theres an asset manager in native activity,    AAssetManager* assetManager = state->activity->assetManager;
Jul 02 07:37:04 <JakeWharton> just a specific HTTP client that I think is superior than Apache and the built-in HttpURLlConnection
Jul 02 07:41:03 <Neon> I've some weird problem with the DatePicker. It displays the spinner as well as the calendar view (by default). Now I want to disable the calendar view, because it's too big and Eclipse tells me it would require API level 11 and I'm using 8.
Jul 02 07:42:05 <rved> i have a relative layout ..within a list view and a action bar at the top. The layout has too much padding by default. Even though there isn't any padding specified in the style. The list view scrollbar is not aligned to the right border, but you first the the padding on the right, then the scrollllbar
Jul 02 07:42:15 <Neon> The setCalendarViewShown wasn't added after the calendar view had been added, was it? Would make no sense.
Jul 02 07:42:28 <rved> how do you change the default padding in the content area underneath the action bar?
Jul 02 07:43:52 <Mavrik> Neon, true.
Jul 02 07:44:33 <monsti> Neon: in almost every project i included my own version of the  DatePicker
Jul 02 07:44:47 <Mavrik> ugh, why
Jul 02 07:44:48 <monsti> Neon: google's implementation really sucks
Jul 02 07:44:52 <Neon> So should I just add an if (currentAPILevel >= requiredAPILevel) { foo.setCalendarViewShown(false); }?
Jul 02 07:44:56 <monsti> e.g. there are missing features
Jul 02 07:45:02 <monsti> like no min/max
Jul 02 07:45:20 <monsti> which is a real pain in real world applications
Jul 02 07:47:23 <Mavrik> monsti, still, seeing every app reinventing the same wheel with slightly different failures and UX is just annoying as hell
Jul 02 07:47:28 <Mavrik> Neon, pretty much :)
Jul 02 07:48:16 <rved> solved it
Jul 02 07:48:26 <monsti> Mavrik: well i blame google for that - the have that cool support library but they suck in fixing their own bugs :(
Jul 02 07:48:51 <monsti> Mavrik: i decided to use my own stuff
Jul 02 08:01:23 <thepoosh> what do I need to do in order to add a request body to a post with volley?
Jul 02 08:03:50 <ShadyNastys> I have created an alarm that launches just fine. If silent mode is enabled iit disables my vibrate as well as my sound. The code clearly should execute the vibrate but not sound.  any ideas? https://gist.github.com/px-amaac/5907510
Jul 02 08:04:58 <thepoosh> do I need to override the getParams every time I create the POST request or is there a setter that can be done?
Jul 02 08:05:08 <thepoosh> and does this add the cookies for this?
Jul 02 08:06:28 <omid8bimo> hey guys. how can change the color of android EditText border (android 4 single bottom line style with is blue) also keeping its style (default android 4)?
Jul 02 08:06:58 <thepoosh> create an xml drawable and set it to the background I guess (or use a custom theme)
Jul 02 08:07:07 <omid8bimo> i tried shape xml file but it creates a regtangle box
Jul 02 08:07:16 <rved> In a new app I'm developing a user can create new items with text, and save or edit them. how would you store them? SQLite, or sharedPreferences?
Jul 02 08:07:55 <pfn> depends
Jul 02 08:08:06 <pfn> and sharedpreferences isn't a general-purpose data store
Jul 02 08:08:15 <omid8bimo> rved: i prefer sqlite. easier to handle via SQLiteHelper class
Jul 02 08:08:38 <rved> mostly the items will contain booleans and strings
Jul 02 08:08:44 <rved> and an image
Jul 02 08:10:14 <rved> when using SQLite, is it possible to get information using a background service?
Jul 02 08:10:23 <rved> when the app is not running, but a service is
Jul 02 08:10:24 <pfn> of course
Jul 02 08:10:52 <rved> ok great, cause the docs said something about not giving data when the app is not running
Jul 02 08:13:13 <SimonVT> If a service is "running" then your app is "running".. Don't confuse app and activity
Jul 02 08:13:42 <rved> ok
Jul 02 08:16:09 <omid8bimo> so anyone any idea for my question? :D
Jul 02 08:16:27 <tagrudev> hello guys, I want to add google play services lib to my android project, I am using
Jul 02 08:16:38 <tagrudev> Android Studio how can I add the lib to my dependencies ?
Jul 02 08:18:30 <Kegsay> in eclipse at least you need to import it as an existing android project, NOT just use the jar file
Jul 02 08:18:46 <Kegsay> and then link it as a library under Properties
Jul 02 08:19:09 <tagrudev> yeah in eclipse
Jul 02 08:19:18 <tagrudev> but I am asking for Android Studio
Jul 02 08:19:54 <Kegsay> I know, but I imagine the process will be somewhat similar
Jul 02 08:21:31 <tagrudev> yeah but it isnt
Jul 02 08:21:40 <tagrudev> so does anybody know how can I do that ?
Jul 02 08:28:57 * monsti just installed kepler
Jul 02 08:29:09 <monsti> and - like any other eclipse - it fixed some bugs
Jul 02 08:29:15 <monsti> but it comes with a lot of new bugs!
Jul 02 08:29:48 <monsti> e.g. deleting a section in an xml file will cause the cursor to jump to line 1 - in some braindead situations
Jul 02 08:30:39 <monsti> i love the eclipse coders - btw. a lot of them also work for your bank and help the bank guys to take care of your money
Jul 02 08:37:25 <dck28> hey guys, does anyone know whether this issue has any resolution? essentially I
Jul 02 08:37:48 <dck28> I'm experiencing the same thing, localname and qname switched with robolectric
Jul 02 08:38:13 <dck28> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14391698/robolectric-saxparser-in-android-vs-saxparser-in-java-robolectric-differenc?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Jul 02 08:50:07 <rved> With SQLite, should you use a DAO if you want to store and get data? I read something about increased memory usage if you use it, but it does not explain why to use DAO, when not
Jul 02 08:50:33 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: is this APACHE 2.0 license?  https://gist.github.com/JakeWharton/5616899
Jul 02 09:18:57 <icetooth> im trying to read a bmp file and seem to be crashing while trying to open the file, i'm wondering if its probably its a file permission problem because this warning started popping up: W/ActivityManager(207): No content provider found for permission revoke: file:///data/local/tmp/xFlip.apk  anyone know how to fix that?
Jul 02 09:25:48 <primski> how do i use these animations? are they included in sdk? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/anim/
Jul 02 09:26:20 <primski> i tried "android.R.anim.dialog_enter" but i get cannot find symob variable dialog_enter .... some of them work though
Jul 02 09:26:26 <icetooth> why does package manager change the resource path, i think that is causing an error with installd? E/installd(112): Couldn't unlink /data/dalvik-cache/
Jul 02 09:29:17 <primski> hm, some of these animations work and some not ... perhaps they're not included in my sdk? do i need to update something or install additionally, or should i just copy .xml files to my project res folder?
Jul 02 09:31:43 <primski> hm, external libraries/Android/res/anim does in fact hold all of these .xml files, but why can't it find some of them?
Jul 02 09:33:20 <ExEcUtIvE> hello
Jul 02 09:33:37 <ExEcUtIvE> anyone have htc one or galaxcy s4?
Jul 02 09:33:47 <dck28> hey guys, does anyone have good suggestions how to testing SAXparsing with robolectric? one huge problem i'm encountering is the incompatible behavior that seems to have replaced qname with localname… anyone has down this b4?
Jul 02 09:33:53 <omid8bimo> hey guys. how can change the color of android EditText border (android 4 single bottom line style with is blue) also keeping its style (default android 4)?
Jul 02 09:34:08 <primski> ExEcUtIvE: i got s4
Jul 02 09:34:39 <ExEcUtIvE> primski i explain you problem in pvt
Jul 02 09:39:08 <primski> hm, how do i use these pre-set animations?? - R.anim.my_anim looks for .xml file in MY res/anim folder, correct ... but how do i use these pre-set animations https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/anim/
Jul 02 09:40:55 <aleb> I'm running ./gradlew assemble and I get with "build successful" a ./build/apk/droidguide-release-unsigned.apk file. Why is the apk not signed?
Jul 02 09:41:58 <komet> Hi, is there a recent tutorial on how to sync contacts from my server to the Android contacts?
Jul 02 09:42:45 <RazielZ> What's public.xml for? It's just throwing out errors when I do a lint check, although the app works fine
Jul 02 09:45:15 <SiPlus> Hi
Jul 02 09:45:20 <SiPlus> Any developers.android.com editors here?
Jul 02 09:45:30 <SiPlus> I want to submit a change to the Iconography page
Jul 02 09:45:45 <Leeds> SiPlus: submit it as a bug at b.android.com
Jul 02 09:46:35 <icetooth> if someone can take a quick look at this small error log and offer some advice on how to fix this file IO crash i would be extremely thankful.   http://codepad.org/STLWrJ05
Jul 02 09:46:39 <dck28> Running with robolectric, the only thing i get back from the SAXParser is qname, everything else returns null or the empty String "". Please help
Jul 02 09:48:31 <SiPlus> Leeds, ok, submitting
Jul 02 09:56:00 <SiPlus> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=57219
Jul 02 10:02:30 <SimonVT> Not sure if you're confusing dp and px..
Jul 02 10:03:09 <kakazza> dx
Jul 02 10:04:00 <RazielZ> Hey SimonVT, why does public.xml throw already defined lint errors when it's actually a different type of thing with the same name
Jul 02 10:04:12 <RazielZ> And why do I get nullpointerexceptions after deleting it and how do I get it back >_>
Jul 02 10:04:17 <SimonVT> Not sure why you'd make a 1dp gap on hdpi resources when the guidelines say 2dp
Jul 02 10:04:32 <SimonVT> No idea ;d
Jul 02 10:04:36 <RazielZ> fuk.
Jul 02 10:05:17 <RazielZ> Nevermind
Jul 02 10:05:20 <SimonVT> Uh, wait
Jul 02 10:05:28 <RazielZ> It was trying to findviewbyid by a hardcoded number instead if r.id in a place
Jul 02 10:05:41 <SimonVT> What are you defining in public.xml?
Jul 02 10:05:51 <RazielZ> Right now nothing because I deleted it
Jul 02 10:06:00 <RazielZ> before it looked like just about everything was there as well as R
Jul 02 10:06:05 <RazielZ> Uhm, ids
Jul 02 10:06:29 <SimonVT> (when I think public.xml I think what the framework uses to define final resource id's)
Jul 02 10:06:44 <primski> can i use these pre-set animations or do i need to copy them to my project res dir? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/anim/
Jul 02 10:07:17 <RazielZ> I think that's what it was.
Jul 02 10:07:30 <RazielZ> I have no idea why it's not generating it
Jul 02 10:07:41 <RazielZ> or why it was in the project in the first place
Jul 02 10:07:43 <RazielZ> oh
Jul 02 10:07:55 <RazielZ> probably because of that one time where I had to recover the project throughh decompilation
Jul 02 10:08:05 <RazielZ> Which is why there's still resources accessed by direct numbers instead of r.id too
Jul 02 10:08:06 <RazielZ> >_>
Jul 02 10:09:05 <SimonVT> If you need to define id's in values do <item name="someId" type="id" />
Jul 02 10:10:07 <RazielZ> Yeah, I didn't need to, it was just there since decompiling it and I didn't realize it lol
Jul 02 10:10:45 <RazielZ> Also, I assume views with the same name in different activities is fine
Jul 02 10:11:03 <RazielZ> And it'll get the id of the one that matches the currently set content view layout activity thing.
Jul 02 10:11:22 <mambono10> is it possible for me to intercept a tap anywhere on the screen and use that the trigger an event?
Jul 02 10:11:33 <mambono10> (well, trigger some code)
Jul 02 10:12:32 <mambono10> I've got an activity with a good bit of data loaded and would like to transition to a different activity when the user taps the screen
Jul 02 10:12:38 <mambono10> alternatively, tapping the d pad works.
Jul 02 10:15:12 <Mavrik> mambono10, set onTouchHandler on top-level view of your activity
Jul 02 10:15:27 <mambono10> so the ContentView?
Jul 02 10:18:11 <communist-cake> Guys, what video formats are supported in VideoView?
Jul 02 10:18:53 <mambono10> communist-cake: http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html
Jul 02 10:19:16 <communist-cake> mambono10: Thank you a lot :)
Jul 02 10:19:18 <icetooth> fucking hell, do i need to sign my app before i can load a file!?
Jul 02 10:19:35 <mambono10> Mavrik: would that be the ContentView?
Jul 02 10:24:14 <icetooth> is my debug key not enough to use AAssetManager_open ?
Jul 02 10:29:39 <bilgisayarci> hey
Jul 02 10:29:57 <bilgisayarci> there is a compiler for c++ android
Jul 02 10:30:11 <icetooth> yeah g++
Jul 02 10:30:41 <icetooth> look at the native-activity sample
Jul 02 10:30:59 <bilgisayarci> does g++ compile for arm ?
Jul 02 10:31:39 <icetooth> ndk-build
Jul 02 10:32:06 <icetooth> my bad
Jul 02 10:32:19 <icetooth> i just spent 5 hours trying to get a file to load and am failing
Jul 02 10:32:51 <rved> Is creating a ArrayList from database records a good way to fill a list View? http://paste2.org/0IBjFtaa
Jul 02 10:34:45 <bilgisayarci> icetooth
Jul 02 10:34:57 <icetooth> apparently i cant even run my app to watch it crash anymore..... failed to install apk, permission denied  lol this just keeps getting worse
Jul 02 10:35:02 <bilgisayarci> ndk is not what I want
Jul 02 10:35:07 <icetooth> yes it is
Jul 02 10:35:07 <bilgisayarci> I want to compile just c++ program
Jul 02 10:35:19 <icetooth> no java
Jul 02 10:35:22 <icetooth> native-activity
Jul 02 10:36:00 <bilgisayarci> just c++ ?
Jul 02 10:36:02 <icetooth> LOCAL_STATIC_LIBRARIES := android_native_app_glue
Jul 02 10:36:28 <icetooth> yes im doing it right now, but you will be in for a world of hurt
Jul 02 10:37:44 <bilgisayarci> what do you mean
Jul 02 10:37:46 <bilgisayarci> is it hard
Jul 02 10:38:05 <icetooth> no its real easy at first, untill you want to start doing cool stuff, like loading files
Jul 02 10:41:03 <bilgisayarci> :D
Jul 02 10:42:53 <bilgisayarci> icetooth
Jul 02 10:42:58 <bilgisayarci> can you use inline arm assembly
Jul 02 10:42:59 <bilgisayarci> in that ?
Jul 02 10:43:23 <icetooth> good question
Jul 02 10:43:31 <bilgisayarci> yeah I know :D
Jul 02 10:45:02 <icetooth> this guy claims that you can do it, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7743818/does-the-android-ndk-compiler-support-inline-assembly-ie-asm-or-asm-keywords
Jul 02 10:46:00 <bilgisayarci> so we can
Jul 02 10:46:01 <Zharf> yes, you can
Jul 02 10:46:07 <bilgisayarci> it is too good
Jul 02 10:46:10 <bilgisayarci> I like it
Jul 02 10:46:21 <Zharf> but unless you do thumb2 you'll need .asm after the filename in your android.mk
Jul 02 10:46:28 <Zharf> so it'll use non-thumb code
Jul 02 10:46:34 <icetooth> fuck my problem is a pointer somehow turning null magically....  *bashes face against a wall*
Jul 02 10:48:18 <bilgisayarci> zharf I ll first inspect arm assembly
Jul 02 10:53:15 <Zharf> note that there are some non-arm android devices :)
Jul 02 10:54:02 <kakazza> Is ARM assembly the same for all versions of ARM?
Jul 02 10:54:30 <Leeds> no, of course not
Jul 02 10:54:41 <kakazza> :D
Jul 02 10:54:47 <Zharf> armv7 can run armv5 code though
Jul 02 10:54:55 <Zharf> but not the other way around
Jul 02 10:55:09 <Leeds> and NEON?
Jul 02 10:55:14 <primski> so, to use the included resources from Android Library .... I should copy the files I need to my project dir instead of referencing them directly? i found this advice on stackoverflow from 2011, does this still stand?
Jul 02 10:55:15 <Zharf> yeah there's that too
Jul 02 10:55:36 <Zharf> I haven't really explored neon at all
Jul 02 10:56:59 <icetooth> interesting thing about neon, i was going through the bullet physics sdk and they only had iphone checks that explicitly enabled NEON
Jul 02 10:57:06 <icetooth> so maybe gcc vectorizes for you?
Jul 02 10:57:23 <icetooth> using neon
Jul 02 10:57:42 <Neon> ?
Jul 02 10:57:50 <icetooth> or whoever wrote bullet hates android
Jul 02 10:58:21 <icetooth> Neon: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/neon.php
Jul 02 10:59:53 <Neon> I'm going to sue them!
Jul 02 11:04:16 <Leeds> bastards stole your name!
Jul 02 11:05:51 <Zharf> I should've sued Eclipse backs in the day too
Jul 02 11:06:24 <Zharf> at some point it got reaaally annoying and I had to change my nickname because people kept asking me about eclipse
Jul 02 11:10:39 <Leeds> we were always of the believe that it was meant to be something to do with blocking out Sun
Jul 02 11:11:23 <Leeds> er, belief
Jul 02 11:12:43 <Gaz`> anyone know how to change the overflow icon on the actionbar, ive specified a png that works fine on all my devices but client says its appear black somehow
Jul 02 11:12:57 <Multiply> Hey. Is there a way (yes, rooted device) to force num lock on, for a USB-keyboard?
Jul 02 11:15:51 <Gaz`> actionbars are a total nightmare
Jul 02 11:16:04 <Gaz`> completely fragmented across devices, unless clients emulator is to blame
Jul 02 11:16:14 <Gaz`> how can a png be showing the wrong colour!
Jul 02 11:27:38 <xlinkz0> do i need any java knowledge to use the ndk?
Jul 02 11:28:10 <memoryleak> Is there an example of an app that takes a picture from the camera with a cropping rectangle on it?
Jul 02 11:29:46 <rved> Can i use a string value from values/strings.xml in a database?
Jul 02 11:29:47 <rved> http://paste2.org/tywVk2jY
Jul 02 11:30:13 <RazielZ> getString(resId)
Jul 02 11:30:13 <rved> i want to insert records on first time creation
Jul 02 11:30:41 <RazielZ> new Item( getString(R.string.item_name), "over9000"));
Jul 02 11:30:41 <rved> ty forgot!
Jul 02 11:30:42 <RazielZ> like that
Jul 02 11:30:44 <RazielZ> np
Jul 02 11:31:11 <rved> so in this way it will be a multi language app?
Jul 02 11:31:19 <rved> if i translate the strings.xml
Jul 02 11:31:25 <RazielZ> should be
Jul 02 11:31:28 <rved> cool
Jul 02 11:31:29 <rved> ty
Jul 02 11:32:07 <RazielZ> Hey guys, what's the point of a library project? I want to have a free and paid version of an app, so I converted it to a library project, made a different project that uses that as a library, and got to the point in which nothing does shit
Jul 02 11:32:24 <RazielZ> If I have to rewrite or copypaste everything from the library anyway, what's the point?
Jul 02 11:33:21 <Flaiker> So I still have the problem that my http get requests returns an i/o internal server error but only on the one website I want to use it on, google.com etc works fine. Any ideas?
Jul 02 11:33:57 <RazielZ> Your website's borked?
Jul 02 11:40:11 <RazielZ> Is there ANY advantage to trying to use library projects or should I just copypaste my project to make two versions? :|
Jul 02 11:42:04 <Gaz`> xlinkz0 no
Jul 02 11:42:31 <xlinkz0> thanks, i'm relieved
Jul 02 11:42:37 <Gaz`> hehehe
Jul 02 11:42:41 <Gaz`> gonn be harder work tho
Jul 02 11:42:49 <Gaz`> u writing a game?
Jul 02 11:43:11 <xlinkz0> i need to give some working C code to colleagues so they can use it in java
Jul 02 11:43:18 <Flaiker> RazielZ: I installed the same CMS on my private webserver and it works fine there.
Jul 02 11:43:22 <xlinkz0> problem is they don't know how to link C files with the ndk so i have to learn it :\
Jul 02 11:43:32 <Gaz`> haha yeh i did that once
Jul 02 11:43:36 <Flaiker> ofc without adding stuff like teamspeakviewer etc.
Jul 02 11:44:12 <xlinkz0> have to create a wrapper to ffmpegs main because they can't chmod stuff on user handsets apparently
Jul 02 11:45:22 <Gaz`> man these emulators take the biscuit
Jul 02 11:45:27 <Gaz`> i need to shoot myself in the head
Jul 02 11:45:29 <xlinkz0> is there anything like this already in the wild? i've searched google a bit but couldn't find any
Jul 02 11:48:35 <rved> when specifying a background color on a list view row/entry … i don't get a highlight color when i touch it…  android:background="@color/row_bg"
Jul 02 11:48:41 <rved> is this normal behaviour?
Jul 02 11:54:12 <SimonVT> Yes, the selector is drawn behind the view unless you set android:drawSelectorOnTop="true"
Jul 02 11:54:52 <Gaz`> god i hate actionbars, overflow item works fine on all my devices, on one emu it doesnt show at all and on another it shows almost black so u cant see it, whats goign on
Jul 02 11:55:54 <RazielZ> who cares, it's an emu
Jul 02 11:56:00 <RazielZ> when do they ever act as any real device?
Jul 02 11:57:16 <SimonVT> The overflow item doesn't show on devices with a menu button
Jul 02 12:08:54 <rved> how do i make a themed style for this Relative Layout? http://paste2.org/pdzwkFdE
Jul 02 12:09:00 <rved> i want to make it shorter
Jul 02 12:09:21 <rved> my main theme is <style name="Theme.Profilestheme" parent="@style/Theme.Sherlock.Light.DarkActionBar">
Jul 02 12:09:24 <komet> do you need a ContentsProvider to sync contacts to the android phone?
Jul 02 12:09:32 <komet> the sample doesn't seem to have one
Jul 02 12:09:37 <komet> but most blogposts talk about it
Jul 02 12:09:49 <rved> what i've read is that you need a content provider to make it acceable in other apps
Jul 02 12:10:05 <Number5> Hello developers, I was playing with AudioTrack and was able to play some audio through the earpiece. But I found out that if I get called I barely can hear the ringtone, because it sounds from the earpiece. How can I wire the ringtone to the speaker?
Jul 02 12:10:20 <komet> rved I just want to give the app a number of contacts to sync with the People app
Jul 02 12:10:32 <komet> that's all, basically
Jul 02 12:10:39 <Number5> Hoe can I put it back to its default audio settings.
Jul 02 12:11:23 <rved> I'm no expert komet please ask around
Jul 02 12:13:05 <monsti> ok in kepler they fixed one nasty bug :)
Jul 02 12:13:21 <komet> thanks anyways rved :)
Jul 02 12:13:45 <monsti> i have an external screen 16:10 and my laptop is 16:9 - when i put the laptop to the docking station eclipse get's fullscreen ;)
Jul 02 12:25:31 <primski> why does this kill my app when i switch to activity with this theme <style name="DayViewTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Light">
Jul 02 12:25:53 <primski> with android:theme="@style/DayViewTheme" on my activity
Jul 02 12:26:09 <Gaz`> shame there is no containsIgnoreCase
Jul 02 12:29:57 <primski> ah nvm, figured it out ^
Jul 02 12:31:52 <Gaz`> hmm any way to add controls to a webview?
Jul 02 12:35:18 <Mavrik> Gaz`, you can override equals() on objects to achieve containsIgnoreCase :)
Jul 02 12:35:26 <Mavrik> and/or hashcode as well
Jul 02 12:37:21 <snappy> Sorry, new to android dev, but if I use a Plain TextView widget, can I have the app itself edit the text? Or is it a constant text?
Jul 02 12:40:15 <primski> so ide is telling me getActionBar().setTitle() might produce a NullPointerException..... how can I put an IF around it so it won't ?
Jul 02 12:40:33 <Gaz`> if (getActionBar()!=null)
Jul 02 12:40:35 <Gaz`> {}
Jul 02 12:40:56 <primski> ah sweet, thanks
Jul 02 12:41:12 <Gaz`> surely someone has made a reusable library or something for webview navigation controls
Jul 02 12:41:20 <FrancescoV> sombody experience with zxing (QR code ) ?
Jul 02 12:41:20 <Gaz`> as usual im playing catch up to the "perfect" iOS version
Jul 02 12:41:27 <Gaz`> fackin sick of android app dev
Jul 02 12:45:57 <hallas> yes!!!
Jul 02 12:46:17 <icetooth> no
Jul 02 12:50:11 <Dark-Side> komet: the phone has the Contacts provider that you can insert contacts into
Jul 02 12:51:02 <Dark-Side> komet: the people app reads the same contacts provider as all the other apps should
Jul 02 12:51:23 <thepoosh> anyone have xp using Volley?
Jul 02 12:51:35 <thepoosh> I tried posting with data to a url with no success
Jul 02 12:53:30 <Untouchab1e> Having an odd issue here. I have a ListView which is using a custom listadapter which takes a ArrayList<String> of items. It works fine. However, if I try to add a new item to the ArrayList and call notifyDataSetChanged() on the adapter, the new item shows up in the ListView, but if I try to reference it I get a nullpointer exception
Jul 02 12:53:43 <Untouchab1e> and I cant for the life of me figure out why :/
Jul 02 12:54:22 <karlo|w> show the exception stacktrace
Jul 02 12:54:27 <Untouchab1e> sure.. hold on
Jul 02 12:54:35 <Untouchab1e> this is the line of code that causes the exception: final ProgressBar progressBar = (ProgressBar) (View)fileListView.getChildAt(fileListView.getFirstVisiblePosition()).findViewById(R.id.progressBarDownload);
Jul 02 12:54:45 <Untouchab1e> if I run that before I add a new item to the list, it works fine
Jul 02 12:55:07 <Untouchab1e> and if it doesnt trigger an exception, it gives the progressBar of the item below the one I just added
Jul 02 12:55:35 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: https://gist.github.com/Untouchab1e/2193e265efe282ff78c9
Jul 02 12:59:14 <karlo|w> ok, that's a really bad way of doing things... what are you trying to achieve?
Jul 02 13:01:19 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: I have a list of files.. I have a button you can press that brings up a dialog with an editText that lets you specify a file URL.. then, just because it looks nice, I figured I would add that file to the top of the ListView and show the progress bar
Jul 02 13:02:30 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: I would show you the entire code, as its small and on GitHub, but GitHub is having some issues now it seems
Jul 02 13:05:44 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: and whats so bad about adding an item to the list that the adapter uses and call notifyDataSetChanged()?
Jul 02 13:06:38 <karlo|w> nothing
Jul 02 13:07:06 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: ok, good
Jul 02 13:07:11 <karlo|w> but you then access a view (progressbar) by manually digging into the listview
Jul 02 13:07:25 <xlinkz0> has anyone compiled ffmpeg for android?
Jul 02 13:07:28 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: oh.. I would love to know if there's a better way?
Jul 02 13:08:30 <karlo|w> item-related stuff in lists should be done by the adapter this list is using
Jul 02 13:08:43 <karlo|w> but it all depends on your case so I'd like to see the codez
Jul 02 13:09:26 <Untouchab1e> right, I agree.. which is what I normally do.. but since Im now dynamically adding an item.. Im not sure how to get a reference to the progressBar of that specific item
Jul 02 13:12:18 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: oh well.. Github is down, but spacepaste is not ;) http://bpaste.net/show/dvGmMLay5Z9o1cQAT9Ou/
Jul 02 13:12:37 <Thorbears> Using a ContentProvider to interface with an SQLite database, are there any guidelines for how to properly perform several insert calls asynchronously? Is the preferred way to use an AsyncQueryHandler and fire off all insert calls at once and then wait until all the tokens are returned in onInsertComplete() ?
Jul 02 13:12:48 <Untouchab1e> the problematic section is on line 98 -> 120
Jul 02 13:13:00 <Untouchab1e> dont laugh at the experimental bad code ;)
Jul 02 13:13:37 <ron_frown> for some reason I though this was ##csharp
Jul 02 13:13:48 <ron_frown> looking at Untouchab1e's code iw as like how the fuck?!!
Jul 02 13:14:00 <Untouchab1e> hah
Jul 02 13:24:21 <tagrudev> hello I get Gradle: error: cannot find symbol variable current_location
Jul 02 13:24:30 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: any ideas?
Jul 02 13:24:31 <tagrudev> current_location is a png in my drawables folders
Jul 02 13:24:46 <tagrudev> any ideas or should I add something to the build.gradle so it can find resources ?
Jul 02 13:30:32 <kjeldahl> I'll go live shortly with an app. Anybody have any advice how I should be handling support requests and user feedback (services or similar, or how are YOU doing it)?
Jul 02 13:30:53 <Untouchab1e> kjeldahl: depends.. email works nice
Jul 02 13:31:47 <Leeds> I mostly ignore them
Jul 02 13:31:57 <kjeldahl> Untouchable: Yes, default "fallback" I guess at least until one get a few thousand users (I'm not there obviously..). You just post your email in your app store listing?
Jul 02 13:32:26 <snappy> Hm, I have a method that uses findViewById to find a TextView widget identified as: +id/timestampView. When I call view.findViewById(R.id.timestampView) it returns null. Am I using findViewById incorrectly?
Jul 02 13:32:42 <Untouchab1e> kjeldahl: that is already in there.. check a play store listing.. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.connectutb.xfuel
Jul 02 13:32:46 <Untouchab1e> see where it says "Email developer"
Jul 02 13:33:16 <Untouchab1e> in my experience, most people will use that
Jul 02 13:33:24 <Untouchab1e> or expect that you read their comment on the play store listing
Jul 02 13:33:59 <Untouchab1e> personally, I tend to include a support button in the app that either fires of a message intent, so they can email me directly, or directs them to my support ticket site
Jul 02 13:34:35 <Untouchab1e> snappy: make sure that the view you are trying to look up, is actually present
Jul 02 13:34:44 <kjeldahl> How do you respond back from a comment in the play store listing? I though that was not possible, or is it? Intent, good idea.
Jul 02 13:35:01 <Untouchab1e> kjeldahl: you can respond to comments now
Jul 02 13:35:09 <snappy> Hm, maybe I'm not using the namespace of "R" correctly. This is a <RelativeLayout .. <TextView ... /> />
Jul 02 13:35:11 <Untouchab1e> from the publishing panel.. not sure if its enabled for everyone yet..
Jul 02 13:35:26 <snappy> Is it meant to be R.id.timestampView, or is there some other namespace under R that I'm meant to use?
Jul 02 13:35:30 <kjeldahl> Untouchab1e: Excellent. Thanks.
Jul 02 13:35:35 <Leeds> snappy: you're 100% sure you're not using it before setContentView or similar?
Jul 02 13:35:46 <Untouchab1e> snappy: findViewById will return null if the view is not present..
Jul 02 13:37:22 <snappy> Untouchab1e: Maybe a bit of context, my activity has a layout with a TextView and a Button. The Button is bound to a method printTimestamp(View view). From there I want to set the TextView to the current timestamp. So the view that is passed in as an argument is that of the current activity no?
Jul 02 13:38:46 <karlo|w> Untouchab1e: I think I would store more data together for each item on the list, like let's say, download %, and I'd render my items using adapter accordingly to state of this data at given time. Then download task would update this collection as it downloads stuff, but it'd be independent of which items are currently being displayed on the screen.
Jul 02 13:39:08 <Leeds> snappy: is the textview a child of the button?
Jul 02 13:40:04 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: hmm nice.. but still, how would the DownloadTask know which ListView Item is associated with the file its downloading?
Jul 02 13:40:41 <Untouchab1e> snappy: best if you just show us your code :)
Jul 02 13:40:46 <Untouchab1e> and the layout xml
Jul 02 13:41:02 <karlo|w> make it operate on such object instead of on simple url string as you have now
Jul 02 13:41:15 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: ah..
Jul 02 13:41:25 <Leeds> snappy: are you there?
Jul 02 13:41:58 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: not 100% sure how I'd do it, but I get what you're saying and will try to make it happen :)
Jul 02 13:42:06 <snappy> Leeds: nope
Jul 02 13:42:07 <karlo|w> remember it's all references, just make sure to not modify them concurrently
Jul 02 13:42:15 <snappy> Untouchab1e: sure
Jul 02 13:42:16 <Leeds> snappy: then where are you? :P
Jul 02 13:42:53 <snappy> Leeds: no idea i guess :) -- im not sure the pattern on how this is done.
Jul 02 13:43:03 <Leeds> snappy: ok... if you call findViewById on a View, it'll search the children of that view... if you call it on the activity, it searches the entire tree
Jul 02 13:43:11 <snappy> do i find the MainActivity activity, find the view where the textview is, and then the textview?
Jul 02 13:43:35 <snappy> this is kind of my foray into helloworld, although im just trying to prototypes omething
Jul 02 13:43:37 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: right.. so instead of the downloadTasking working with a String, I pass in.. a view object? or..
Jul 02 13:43:43 <Untouchab1e> downloadTask*
Jul 02 13:43:52 <snappy> Leeds: i'll give that s hot, thanks
Jul 02 13:44:40 <karlo|w> Untouchab1e: in lists, same view is reused for displaying different data, depending on scrolling position of your list. you have to decouple views from what they represent at given moment
Jul 02 13:45:07 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: hmm ok.. Ill start reading up on that then
Jul 02 13:45:14 <karlo|w> so I'd say have some holder class for all information you need to display an item in the list (including progressbar status), and make adapter operate on it
Jul 02 13:45:23 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: thats what I have now..
Jul 02 13:45:33 <snappy> Leeds: got it, thnaks :)
Jul 02 13:45:35 <Untouchab1e> except it doesnt have any idea of the progress..
Jul 02 13:45:38 <snappy> just use this.findViewById
Jul 02 13:45:47 <karlo|w> yes ;) so you are close
Jul 02 13:45:55 <Leeds> snappy: that's the doodah, yes :)
Jul 02 13:45:58 <Untouchab1e> karlo|w: excellent.. will get right to it.. thanks
Jul 02 13:46:03 <Untouchab1e> much appreciated
Jul 02 13:46:04 <Untouchab1e> later all
Jul 02 14:01:13 <RazielZ> I can't get jackson and proguard to play nicely :\
Jul 02 14:02:13 <RazielZ> DOMSerializer: can't find referenced class org.w3c.dom.bootstrap.DOMImplementationRegistry, and if I ignore that it just crashes
Jul 02 14:07:34 <RazielZ> Disregard that I suck package names
Jul 02 14:08:32 <RazielZ> Ohwait, it still crashes
Jul 02 14:09:17 <RazielZ> Soemwhere else tho. It apparently tries to cast a LinkedHashMap to one of my classes.
Jul 02 14:09:18 <RazielZ> wut
Jul 02 14:11:00 <Thorbears> Asking again for good measure:  Using a ContentProvider to interface with an SQLite database, are there any guidelines for how to properly perform several insert calls asynchronously? Is the preferred way to use an AsyncQueryHandler and fire off all insert calls at once and then wait until all the tokens are returned in onInsertComplete() ? There's also the option to use the cookie object to...
Jul 02 14:11:01 <Thorbears> ...pass a list of ContentValues along, and through that make chained calls to startInsert() until the list is empty.
Jul 02 14:13:14 <Mavrik> um
Jul 02 14:13:23 <Mavrik> is notifyDatasetChange async by any chance?
Jul 02 14:14:50 <JakeWharton> thepoosh: yes
Jul 02 14:15:20 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: is this about the license question?
Jul 02 14:15:28 <thepoosh> (good morning I guess)
Jul 02 14:15:49 <darken> good afternoon!
Jul 02 14:15:57 <thepoosh> for me it's 17:15
Jul 02 14:16:05 <thepoosh> but Jake is from the east coast
Jul 02 14:16:10 <thepoosh> *west coast
Jul 02 14:16:16 <JakeWharton> Yeah. Just woke up. Your the first thing in my notification pane.
Jul 02 14:16:22 <thepoosh> so GMT-7:00
Jul 02 14:16:22 <JakeWharton> *you're
Jul 02 14:16:31 <thepoosh> k
Jul 02 14:16:34 <thepoosh> thanks
Jul 02 14:16:43 <thepoosh> already implemented this, worked like a charm
Jul 02 14:17:03 <thepoosh> are there ways to tweak the parameters of OkHttp?
Jul 02 14:17:07 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: ^
Jul 02 14:17:41 <thepoosh> such is timeouts and connection scheme
Jul 02 14:22:57 <Mavrik> ok, umm… when I do notifyDatasetChanged… how the heck can I wait/synchronize for all the view updates to complete?
Jul 02 14:26:34 <darken> Mavrik, why would you want to do that
Jul 02 14:27:37 <Mavrik> hmm, basically I'm updating my list pretty quickly (filtering connected to an EditText) and I'm seeing alot of really wierd crashes
Jul 02 14:27:49 <Mavrik> where the OS calls my getView method with (now) invalid positions
Jul 02 14:28:03 <Mavrik> even though the notifyDatasetChanged was called from UI thread and there's no multithread activity
Jul 02 14:29:24 <FrancescoV> Hi, how can i do a Http (Post/request) with a couple parameters and get a jsonobject as a results? do i need a httppost or httprequest?
Jul 02 14:29:41 <JakeWharton> thepoosh: there are methods on the HttpURLConnection interface for that
Jul 02 14:29:48 <JakeWharton> and on OkHttpClient itself
Jul 02 14:29:53 <JakeWharton> depending on what you want to change
Jul 02 14:30:01 <darken> Mavrik, where are you calling notifyDataSetChanged
Jul 02 14:30:25 <Mavrik> inside the adapter, after the dataset linkedlist changes
Jul 02 14:31:05 <Mavrik> basically this: http://pastebin.ca/2414815
Jul 02 14:32:17 <darken> Are you using android.widget.Filter for the Filtering?
Jul 02 14:32:51 <Mavrik> nope, doing custom filtering and just replacing the data structure + calling notifyDatasetChanged.
Jul 02 14:33:36 <darken> I've extended the class for my own custom filtering and called notifyDataSetChanged in the publishResults(..) function
Jul 02 14:33:41 <darken> maybe you can try that
Jul 02 14:33:57 <Mavrik> hmm will try
Jul 02 14:34:11 <Mavrik> I need to rewrite this anyway since I'm doing stupid crap like starting animations in getview
Jul 02 14:34:11 <darken> You can put your custom filtering in the " protected FilterResults performFiltering(CharSequence prefix) "
Jul 02 14:36:54 <RazielZ> Anyone with experience with proguard and json that might know why I get java.util.LinkedHashMap cannot be cast to one of my classes, where that class is in an arraylist of several instances of that class within another class that's getting parsed by json?
Jul 02 14:37:03 <RazielZ> It works without proguard
Jul 02 14:40:46 <pfn> don't cast :p
Jul 02 14:41:43 <RazielZ> I'm not directly casting anywhere >:
Jul 02 14:43:19 <RazielZ> Apparently I should make a list class of my class that extends arraylist to avoid that
Jul 02 14:43:56 <RazielZ> Ooor just use an array
Jul 02 14:44:27 <karlo|w> if it happens only with proguard then maybe you do not have excluding rules your classes used during json parsing?
Jul 02 14:44:38 <karlo|w> I use gson and it works fine
Jul 02 14:44:42 <RazielZ> I do, and it can serialize/write them fine
Jul 02 14:44:48 <RazielZ> It just can't read there
Jul 02 14:46:07 <JakeWharton> Gson uses LinkedHashMap when there's no type data associated with what it is deserializing. Are you using a TypeToken?
Jul 02 14:46:34 <TacticalJoke> If I download the ActionBarSherlock dev branch, how do I use it in my project in Android Studio?  I'm a Gradle noob.
Jul 02 14:47:57 <RazielZ> JakeWharton, I'm using Jackson, mapper.readValue(file,class)
Jul 02 14:48:10 <RazielZ> And said class also contains an arraylist of another class I made, which is where it fails, apparently
Jul 02 14:48:25 <JakeWharton> What class?
Jul 02 14:48:57 <JakeWharton> Jackson has the concept of TypeToken as well for genericized types.
Jul 02 14:49:27 <RazielZ> The big class is one that holds info about a hero, including an arraylist of skills that hero has
Jul 02 14:49:34 <RazielZ> And the skill class holds info about a skill
Jul 02 14:50:03 <RazielZ> Nothing really complex in them, just lots of strings and ints and getters and setters
Jul 02 14:50:07 <JakeWharton> Is the top level class generic?
Jul 02 14:50:54 <RazielZ> hero = mapper.readValue(new File(path), Hero.class) is the whole call
Jul 02 14:51:17 <RazielZ> Sooo no
Jul 02 14:52:12 <RazielZ> Neither Hero or Skill are generic
Jul 02 14:52:19 <JakeWharton> Don't know then. Gson does the right thing.
Jul 02 14:53:44 <JakeWharton> It's still probably user error though since that's a perfectly reasonable deserialization.
Jul 02 14:59:14 <pagios> hi, does android work with the DASH/HLS stream?
Jul 02 15:03:20 <TacticalJoke> I've been trying to get ActionBarSherlock working in Android Studio for days.  Can someone tell me how to do this?
Jul 02 15:05:37 <TacticalJoke> Anybody?
Jul 02 15:06:39 <StingRay_> no
Jul 02 15:06:42 <StingRay_> pe
Jul 02 15:06:51 <darken> My car doesnt'work, can anyone tell me how to get it working :)?
Jul 02 15:07:21 <TacticalJoke> I was told that the latest dev branch enables using ABS with one line in Gradle.
Jul 02 15:07:23 <TacticalJoke> What is that line?
Jul 02 15:07:37 <StingRay_> darken: fraid we need more info, what color is the car ?
Jul 02 15:07:44 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 15:07:55 <YuviPanda> it actually depends on which direction the car is facing, rather
Jul 02 15:09:05 <darken> oh right sorry, it runs on diesel and uses winter tires, why is it not working?
Jul 02 15:09:43 <TacticalJoke> I'm asking a reasonable question.  If you're just gonna be sarcastic, get lost.
Jul 02 15:09:43 <karlo|w> have you tried turning it off and on again?
Jul 02 15:10:05 <timemage> darken, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrt2q6Mpeyc
Jul 02 15:10:38 <darken> I've already contacted my local radio station, because the last time it was working i was listening to their station, which i usually don't do
Jul 02 15:10:52 <darken> TacticalJoke, It's no longer about :)
Jul 02 15:11:07 <timemage> darken, was pretty funny when that series of commercials was running nonstop.
Jul 02 15:11:19 <RyanM> TacticalJoke: I think what they're trying to get at is that you should describe exactly how it's not working
Jul 02 15:11:39 <TacticalJoke> I am asking how to get it working.  I've tried so many ways of getting it working.
Jul 02 15:11:47 <RyanM> Saying that it doesn't work in Android Studio doesn't really help anyone fix your problem.
Jul 02 15:11:47 <StingRay_> timemage: that is the funniest thing ever
Jul 02 15:11:56 <TacticalJoke> I'm asking how to get ABS working in Android Studio.
Jul 02 15:12:13 <TacticalJoke> I've spend four or more days trying to get it working.  I could write 1,000-word essays on those.
Jul 02 15:12:52 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke:  I think your missing it
Jul 02 15:13:03 <darken> Download zip from github, unpack, import, mark as library, select project in question, add library
Jul 02 15:13:07 <RyanM> In what way is it not working?  Are you trying to integrate it in your build in a particular way and it's not working?  Are you including the source files in the project and even that's not working?  Does it install a virus on your computer when ABS gets near android studio?
Jul 02 15:13:30 <TacticalJoke> darken:  Okay.  I'll try taht.
Jul 02 15:13:31 <TacticalJoke> that*
Jul 02 15:13:46 <darken> Well thats how it works in eclipse, i assume android studio has similar functions
Jul 02 15:14:13 <RazielZ> JakeWharton, public class SkillsList extends ArrayList<Skill> making one of these and replacing instanced of ArrayList<Skill> in Hero with that works
Jul 02 15:14:20 <StingRay_> darken: in AS you have gradle config to manager
Jul 02 15:14:23 <StingRay_> manage*
Jul 02 15:14:26 <RazielZ> Still not sure why it won't work directly, but eh
Jul 02 15:14:33 <TacticalJoke> darken:  Oh.
Jul 02 15:15:52 <TacticalJoke> RyanM:  My question is this:  How does one get ActionBarSherlock working in Android Studio?
Jul 02 15:16:44 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: thats too broad you know that right ?
Jul 02 15:16:57 <TacticalJoke> How is it too broad?
Jul 02 15:17:10 <jak2000> can i run a jnlp(java web start) into my android device?
Jul 02 15:17:24 <StingRay_> well it's either too broad or a waste of Q/A time
Jul 02 15:17:28 <StingRay_> eg
Jul 02 15:18:02 <jak2000> StingRay_ for me?
Jul 02 15:18:05 <StingRay_> you grab it, import as module, or place it somewhere and import as module, or depending on your intended build system dont do either
Jul 02 15:18:11 <StingRay_> depends
Jul 02 15:18:24 <StingRay_> it's like me asking how to program in java ?
Jul 02 15:18:29 <StingRay_> well not as bad
Jul 02 15:18:35 <StingRay_> but you get the idea
Jul 02 15:19:04 <StingRay_> normally you would say, I want this…I have tried this… if fails because of x….how do I fix X ?
Jul 02 15:19:32 <karlo|w> TacticalJoke: did you post any question at SO about it?
Jul 02 15:19:32 <TacticalJoke> Not here.
Jul 02 15:19:36 <TacticalJoke> I'm asking a basic question.
Jul 02 15:19:45 <TacticalJoke> I want to use ActionBarSherlock.  I'm using Android Studio.
Jul 02 15:19:46 <TacticalJoke> Simple.
Jul 02 15:19:52 <TacticalJoke> No, karlo|w.
Jul 02 15:20:11 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: well yeah, but missing the important bits
Jul 02 15:20:17 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 15:20:50 <pertl> since there is no web socket support in the native android browser: is there a chance to get support for it using a js-library in my html5 webapp ?
Jul 02 15:21:13 <TacticalJoke> Has anyone in here managed to get ABS working in Android Studio?
Jul 02 15:21:19 <JakeWharton> I have
Jul 02 15:21:26 <TacticalJoke> Could you tell me how?
Jul 02 15:22:00 <JakeWharton> The dev branch has build.gradle files. It's not published as an aar anywhere yet so you can just reference is as a path-based project
Jul 02 15:22:00 <TacticalJoke> I really don't wanna go back to Eclipse.  :/
Jul 02 15:22:05 <JakeWharton> and you shouldn't!
Jul 02 15:22:35 <pertl> idea ftw
Jul 02 15:22:43 <TacticalJoke> I shouldn't reference it as a path-based project or I shouldn't go back to Eclipse?
Jul 02 15:24:58 <timemage> StingRay_, first time hearing it or remember it from way back?
Jul 02 15:25:08 <StingRay_> 1st time
Jul 02 15:25:12 <TacticalJoke> I changed settings.gradle, and I can't import "com.actionbarsherlock.[...]".
Jul 02 15:25:19 <TacticalJoke> include 'actionbarsherlock' \\\ project(':actionbarsherlock').projectDir = new File('/actionbarsherlock')
Jul 02 15:25:34 <TacticalJoke> What exactly do I need to do with Gradle?
Jul 02 15:25:40 <TacticalJoke> I downloaded the dev branch.
Jul 02 15:25:48 <darken> Is Android Studio that awesome?
Jul 02 15:26:01 <JakeWharton> IntelliJ IDEA is...
Jul 02 15:26:15 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  How do I do this with Gradle?  I downloaded the dev branch
Jul 02 15:26:15 <TacticalJoke> .
Jul 02 15:29:58 <TacticalJoke> What do I have to do to get assistance here?
Jul 02 15:32:06 <karlo|w> be more patient
Jul 02 15:32:36 <darken> and remember that no one gets paid to answer anything here :)
Jul 02 15:32:54 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  I've been patient for several days.
Jul 02 15:32:55 <Bleeptech> TacticalJoke: Find someone in the channel with psychiatric training?
Jul 02 15:33:10 <TacticalJoke> Should I idle for a few months and then ask?
Jul 02 15:33:26 <StingRay_> 1 month, few is overboard
Jul 02 15:33:27 <TacticalJoke> Like, a few months is nothing for such a mammoth question as "How do I use ABS in Android Studio".
Jul 02 15:33:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke are you working on a new project ?
Jul 02 15:33:32 <TacticalJoke> Yes, g00s.
Jul 02 15:33:45 <g00s> TacticalJoke is someone holding a gun to your head, saying "support GB" ?
Jul 02 15:34:04 <JakeWharton> or holding a paycheck to your head...
Jul 02 15:34:18 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  Why can't you tell me how to get it working with Gradle?
Jul 02 15:34:19 <TacticalJoke> I don't get it.
Jul 02 15:34:19 <g00s> or that
Jul 02 15:34:22 <Bleeptech> TacticalJoke: You could do what I do.. Grow a long tail and monkey with it till it works..
Jul 02 15:34:34 <codebutler> its much simpler to build an aar instead of dealing with lib projects
Jul 02 15:34:40 <JakeWharton> What you have looks right
Jul 02 15:34:56 <JakeWharton> I stopped using ABS so I've never pulled it into a Gradle-based project
Jul 02 15:35:29 <codebutler> Is your ABS replacement open source?
Jul 02 15:35:49 <JakeWharton> yep. it's called AOSP and minSdkVersion="14"
Jul 02 15:36:10 <JakeWharton> and it's a dream to work with
Jul 02 15:36:27 <darken> ^^
Jul 02 15:36:36 <TacticalJoke> You stopped using ABS?
Jul 02 15:37:17 <codebutler> heh.
Jul 02 15:37:22 <TacticalJoke> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17429784/getting-actionbarsherlock-working-in-android-studio
Jul 02 15:37:27 <JakeWharton> absolutely. that's what it was designed for. it was a stop-gap until ICS+ adoption was high enough. in the app I am working on our users are 85% ICS+
Jul 02 15:37:37 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jul 02 15:37:48 <TacticalJoke> Are you gonna stop developing it?
Jul 02 15:38:16 <TacticalJoke> Omg, I typed "ActionBarStudio".
Jul 02 15:38:23 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I can edit.
Jul 02 15:38:24 <JakeWharton> It hasn't really needed development for 8+ months. Just housekeeping.
Jul 02 15:38:44 <JakeWharton> I'll publish it in aar form one of these days to central
Jul 02 15:39:04 <JakeWharton> that'll probably be its swan song
Jul 02 15:39:09 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jul 02 15:39:27 <darken> 25% are still on GB =/
Jul 02 15:39:39 <darken> at least for me
Jul 02 15:39:42 <TacticalJoke> I'm on GB.
Jul 02 15:39:46 <codebutler> TacticalJoke: get the dev branch, compile aar, install to local repo, add dependecy
Jul 02 15:39:51 <darken> so you're part of the problem ! :D
Jul 02 15:39:56 <JakeWharton> haha
Jul 02 15:39:57 <TacticalJoke> Yes, darken.
Jul 02 15:40:03 <StingRay_> darken: an the least ration of all the versions that are good for commercial or rev gen
Jul 02 15:40:09 <StingRay_> and*
Jul 02 15:40:15 <StingRay_> ratio*
Jul 02 15:40:21 <darken> the least ?
Jul 02 15:40:21 <StingRay_> omg what did I just type
Jul 02 15:40:24 <StingRay_> yes
Jul 02 15:40:35 <darken> TacticalJoke, why are you still on GB ?
Jul 02 15:40:40 <StingRay_> I mean to say, the units sold, or still in use that are GB
Jul 02 15:40:42 <JakeWharton> StingRay_: go home, you're drunk
Jul 02 15:40:43 <SpeedEvil> I bought a Froyo device last week.
Jul 02 15:40:45 <SpeedEvil> New.
Jul 02 15:40:50 <TacticalJoke> codebutler:  I will keep that in mind.  I don't know how to compile AARs yet.
Jul 02 15:40:55 <darken> SpeedEvil, i hate you -_-
Jul 02 15:40:57 <TacticalJoke> darken:  My phone is limited to that.
Jul 02 15:41:02 <StingRay_> it's fair to assume that they are the low end demographic of user
Jul 02 15:41:04 <SpeedEvil> darken: Nook simple touch
Jul 02 15:41:10 <codebutler> the dev branch has gradle files
Jul 02 15:41:14 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: should just be ./gradlew assemble
Jul 02 15:41:22 <KillmeSoftly> I have created a dropdown list in the actionbar with the actionbar's built in dropdown... Upon a user click (in the onNavigationItemSelected method) I want another menu to "come out" of the clicked item in the list...(like a submenu, i think)
Jul 02 15:41:25 <JakeWharton> actually there's no gradlew in ABS
Jul 02 15:41:33 <g00s> SpeedEvil which one :D
Jul 02 15:41:40 <darken> Well ABS works fine, so maybe in half a year i drop it and raise minSDK, lets see how statistics go
Jul 02 15:41:46 <SpeedEvil> g00s: the backlight-less one.
Jul 02 15:42:04 <g00s> plenty of GB devices stillon sale, didn't know you could still get froyo
Jul 02 15:42:22 <darken> people with GB devices dropped steadily and then in the last 7 days it started rising again =(
Jul 02 15:42:24 <SpeedEvil> g00s: It's not actually exposing android. You can't without rooting do market
Jul 02 15:42:54 <g00s> darken the return of GB !
Jul 02 15:43:32 <pfn> people are still selling gb devices?
Jul 02 15:43:34 <pfn> what a bummer
Jul 02 15:43:38 <g00s> i go to the post office every week to stand in line, when i do i always ask people about their phones. its very interesting
Jul 02 15:43:40 <pfn> but cheap chinese crap though, who really cares about those
Jul 02 15:44:12 <codebutler> post office, eh?
Jul 02 15:44:15 <Leeds> chinese stuff mainly doesn't matter outside China
Jul 02 15:44:15 <karlo|w> you guys are lucky... for market we target 2.* is ~45%
Jul 02 15:44:55 <fanno> hi all, anyone know a good way to deal with the need for android:textCursorDrawable because i cant see the cursor and i can't do android:textCursorDrawable=@null because i support down to api level 8 (this is curently the first conflict i have problems with), so i would rather not have to change api level
Jul 02 15:45:09 <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/c/cell-phone-599/cell-phones-511/android-phones-526?priceFrom=80&priceTo=100&sort=rating&sortType=desc
Jul 02 15:45:15 <pfn> g00s, half of them have dumbphones, and the half with smart phones, half of them don't know anything about it or care
Jul 02 15:45:22 <pfn> and those are probably the ones on gingerbread  :p
Jul 02 15:45:31 <StingRay_> fanno: I was facing the same dilema
Jul 02 15:45:35 <Leeds> I'm on 66% 4.x
Jul 02 15:45:38 <flipture> in a general case, when moving from one activity to another, then back to the first, is it "right" to launch the first activity again, or is there a way to return to the first without creating it again?
Jul 02 15:45:58 <pfn> fanno, how is that a problem?
Jul 02 15:46:01 <flipture> (and if this is something that has been covered a lot already, can you point me at a doc or example that might help?)
Jul 02 15:46:12 <flipture> i've not been able to find too much useful on google...
Jul 02 15:46:18 <pfn> fanno, attributes in xml are backward compatible, for the most part, it just won't do anything in api8
Jul 02 15:46:39 <g00s> if i had to summarize my unofficial and unscientific qualitative research on post office line phone questions, people really like their iPhones and WPs, but are more ambivalent (dont care) about their android devices
Jul 02 15:46:44 <pfn> flipture, sending an Intent is not re-creating the activity
Jul 02 15:47:00 <pfn> flipture, you might want to set flags like FLAG_SINGLE_TOP or whatnot to have the right behavior of "going back"
Jul 02 15:47:05 <g00s> but my samples are from one post office, which would be a fixed demographic
Jul 02 15:47:26 <g00s> very few people have WP
Jul 02 15:47:34 <Leeds> hmm, at this rate I'll hit the 50k bucket this summer
Jul 02 15:47:37 <pfn> the people that get WP get it because they want it specifically
Jul 02 15:47:39 <fanno> pfn: on my real device curcor is blueish on emulator and other user's devices the cursor is white .. and this cause problem since background is white ...
Jul 02 15:47:42 <pfn> android, dime a dozen
Jul 02 15:48:01 <pfn> iphone, people get that specifically because it's apple as well
Jul 02 15:48:30 <pfn> everyone that doesn't care gets android because the phones are often free or deeply discounted through carriers
Jul 02 15:48:40 <g00s> yeah, i agree
Jul 02 15:49:10 <fanno> pfn: error: No resource identifier found for attribute 'textCursorDrawable' in package 'android'
Jul 02 15:49:24 <flipture> pfn: cool. i'll look into that. it may not actually be recreating the initial activity, but i thought it was becuase it runs oncreate again from my main class...
Jul 02 15:49:56 <fanno> StingRay_: you founed any selution ? i cant find anything on google
Jul 02 15:50:06 <StingRay_> there isn't
Jul 02 15:50:10 <fanno> StingRay_: tho i cant imagen we are the first =/
Jul 02 15:50:11 <StingRay_> which is crap  I know
Jul 02 15:50:24 <StingRay_> so there were two options
Jul 02 15:50:34 <flipture> pfn: my goal is to pass an int from the second activity back to the first so that i know what the second activity did and change the display accordingly...
Jul 02 15:50:52 <StingRay_> custom textView (since it's textView that hold the arrtibs for cursor/draw)
Jul 02 15:50:55 <StingRay_> or
Jul 02 15:51:07 <StingRay_> custom drawables and states to cope with it
Jul 02 15:51:37 <StingRay_> eg, editing is always a fixed color on any background and only the no focused state is custom
Jul 02 15:51:57 <fanno> StingRay_: like if field is focus change the background ?
Jul 02 15:52:03 <StingRay_> I went for the latter for the moment, may do the former later
Jul 02 15:52:17 <BojanBG> Hello, quick question, what is the purpose of: getXPrecision () @ http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getXPrecision() , I don't quite get it.
Jul 02 15:52:27 <fanno> StingRay_: well it is odd ... =/
Jul 02 15:52:36 <StingRay_> fanno: like my app uses light background + light theme + black cursor as a result
Jul 02 15:52:38 <fanno> StingRay_: i assume  you get the same error ?
Jul 02 15:52:39 <BojanBG> What does he mean by "actual hardware value"
Jul 02 15:52:51 <StingRay_> fanno: no, I dont touch the drawable
Jul 02 15:52:54 <StingRay_> cant
Jul 02 15:53:04 <StingRay_> well cant get consistancy if I did
Jul 02 15:53:44 <fanno> how you set theme light ? i'll try that aswell
Jul 02 15:54:09 <StingRay_> app theme defaults to that for me
Jul 02 15:54:48 <StingRay_> point is, if you want white text and have white cursor have the state with a black bg
Jul 02 15:57:13 <ForestJohnson> hey, I have a question about GUI elements
Jul 02 15:57:45 <ForestJohnson> in android, it is possible to, say, give it an image of a circle
Jul 02 15:57:56 <ForestJohnson> and then have it stretch it out into a rounded rectangle
Jul 02 15:58:09 <ForestJohnson> of arbitrary size
Jul 02 15:58:11 <StingRay_> yes but would be silly
Jul 02 15:58:37 <StingRay_> for a few reasons
Jul 02 15:58:52 <StingRay_> 1. the diameter of the roundness is fixed
Jul 02 15:59:18 <StingRay_> 2. the expansion areas would be  catered for by a single pixel, may have artefacts on some phones
Jul 02 15:59:25 <StingRay_> 3. easier to do a shape
Jul 02 15:59:27 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 15:59:35 <ForestJohnson> ah so if I want to draw a rounded rect, I should just call some Draw Shape thing?
Jul 02 15:59:50 <StingRay_> well depending on design requirements
Jul 02 15:59:54 <StingRay_> 90% yes
Jul 02 16:00:17 <ForestJohnson> just for future reference, I'm really curious where the dimensions used for the stretching-style solution would be stored
Jul 02 16:00:32 <StingRay_> project/values
Jul 02 16:00:41 <StingRay_> oops
Jul 02 16:00:48 <StingRay_> prj/res/values
Jul 02 16:00:51 <ForestJohnson> yeah
Jul 02 16:01:12 <ForestJohnson> is it a style? dimens.xml? i guess it depends on the project
Jul 02 16:01:21 <StingRay_> well it's up to you
Jul 02 16:02:01 <StingRay_> can put a "dimen" entry in mysillycrap.xml if you want
Jul 02 16:02:18 <StingRay_> tis the tag/name that says what it is
Jul 02 16:02:51 <ForestJohnson> yeah. I'm used to them being Rects (this is from Unity engine, another entirely different system)
Jul 02 16:03:07 <ForestJohnson> but they appear to be just a min_height here
Jul 02 16:03:16 <ForestJohnson> no information on where to stretch the image
Jul 02 16:03:24 <StingRay_> image ?
Jul 02 16:03:36 <StingRay_> stretchy images are 9-patch
Jul 02 16:03:52 <StingRay_> but I thought my 1,2,3 points would have made you think…oh thats not a great idea
Jul 02 16:03:54 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 16:04:51 <ForestJohnson> I am just information-hungry
Jul 02 16:05:06 <ForestJohnson> I was just explained how 9-patch works
Jul 02 16:05:09 <ForestJohnson> thats what I was looking for
Jul 02 16:05:22 <ForestJohnson> thanks tho
Jul 02 16:06:46 <spacecaker> hi guys
Jul 02 16:06:49 <spacecaker> i need some help
Jul 02 16:06:56 <spacecaker> during android compile i had these errors
Jul 02 16:07:05 <spacecaker> but in 2 months time i never found solution
Jul 02 16:07:06 <spacecaker> target thumb C: procmem <= system/extras/procmem/procmem.c system/extras/procmem/procmem.c: In function 'main': system/extras/procmem/procmem.c:128:5: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of 'pm_process_maps' differ in signedness [-Wpointer-sign] system/extras/libpagemap/include/pagemap/pagemap.h:145:5: note: expected 'size_t *' but argument is of type 'int *' system/extras/procmem/procmem.c:182:9: warning: pointer 
Jul 02 16:07:14 <spacecaker> http://justpaste.it/2zqr
Jul 02 16:07:31 <StingRay_> spacecaker: read topic
Jul 02 16:08:07 <spacecaker> ohh i get redirected on every android irc XD
Jul 02 16:08:08 <spacecaker> sorry
Jul 02 16:08:32 <SimonVT> Try the android-platform mailing list
Jul 02 16:09:25 <SimonVT> Or -building.. There's a list on s.android.com
Jul 02 16:11:05 <RazielZ> Hmmm
Jul 02 16:11:28 <RazielZ> Should I implement LVL licensing in the paid version of my app...
Jul 02 16:11:39 <RazielZ> It looks annoying, what with doing checks and all that.
Jul 02 16:13:48 <pfn> fanno, you realize that minSdk and targetSdk are two completely separate options
Jul 02 16:14:31 <jak2000> can i run a jnlp(java web start) into my android device?
Jul 02 16:14:36 <pfn> no
Jul 02 16:14:44 <pfn> you cannot run any java compiled code on your device
Jul 02 16:15:00 <pfn> not without dexing
Jul 02 16:15:05 <pfn> and for that matter, nothing in swing or awt will work
Jul 02 16:16:17 <TacticalJoke> Is ABS easy to use in IntelliJ's IDEA?
Jul 02 16:17:04 <angelsl> RazielZ: it seems easily circumventable
Jul 02 16:17:09 <TacticalJoke> Wow, someone edited my StackOverflow question.  He changed 'I have googled' to 'I have Googled'.
Jul 02 16:17:15 <RazielZ> angelsl, that too
Jul 02 16:17:15 <TacticalJoke> I don't think that verbs should be capitalised, personally.
Jul 02 16:17:29 <RazielZ> A lot of effort implementing it, some annoyance to the legit user, and it's easy to crack
Jul 02 16:17:32 <RazielZ> Sooo might as well leave it out
Jul 02 16:17:34 <TacticalJoke> Though he added #android-studio.
Jul 02 16:18:22 <jak2000> ok
Jul 02 16:19:48 <darken> Wether LVL is worth it depends on the App
Jul 02 16:20:05 <darken> but just the LVL is not enough usually
Jul 02 16:20:34 <TacticalJoke> I swear:  I am gonna get ABS working in some IDE other than Eclipse.
Jul 02 16:20:40 <TacticalJoke> Even if I die trying.
Jul 02 16:20:44 <darken> RazielZ, are you building a new app?
Jul 02 16:21:00 <RazielZ> It's not released on the market yet
Jul 02 16:21:01 <RazielZ> Sooo yes
Jul 02 16:21:09 <darken> TacticalJoke, post your solution if you have one on SO ;)
Jul 02 16:21:47 <RazielZ> It's nothing expensive or that really cares about licensing
Jul 02 16:21:56 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jul 02 16:22:00 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: there must be other SO posts about the same thing, with solutions ?
Jul 02 16:22:08 <TacticalJoke> There are, but they don't work.
Jul 02 16:22:25 <StingRay_> don't work <--- not a great thing for a dev to say
Jul 02 16:22:45 <StingRay_> he/she should at least know information surrounding the failure
Jul 02 16:22:49 <StingRay_> ;)
Jul 02 16:23:11 <TacticalJoke> Sure, I could write several 1,000-word essays.
Jul 02 16:23:14 <TacticalJoke> Or I could be concise.
Jul 02 16:23:25 <StingRay_> normally there is a reason/error
Jul 02 16:23:33 <StingRay_> like I say, "dont work" is just silly
Jul 02 16:23:35 <StingRay_> just saying
Jul 02 16:25:03 <TacticalJoke> But it's not.
Jul 02 16:25:06 <TacticalJoke> Not in this context.
Jul 02 16:25:09 <TacticalJoke> I was asking how to get it working.
Jul 02 16:25:17 <TacticalJoke> I don't need to limit answers with assumptions that may be flawed.
Jul 02 16:25:24 <StingRay_> erm
Jul 02 16:25:30 <StingRay_> you said the solutions "dont work"
Jul 02 16:25:38 <Ologn> I find don't work to be a very informative developer console user message for crashes
Jul 02 16:25:40 <TacticalJoke> I don't need to ask "How do I get it working under condition X", when condition X might be useless.
Jul 02 16:25:52 <Ologn> "dont work", "it crashed"
Jul 02 16:26:06 <StingRay_> lol
Jul 02 16:26:37 <TacticalJoke> StingRay_:  You are taking a general principle and trying to apply it where it doesn't apply.  That is not intelligent.
Jul 02 16:26:38 <TacticalJoke> Sorry.
Jul 02 16:26:42 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: ok look at it this way, "dont work" is ok when dealing with absolutes
Jul 02 16:26:45 <Ologn> let me look up some actual ANR messages on my app
Jul 02 16:27:08 <g00s> TacticalJoke you never said why you needed to support GB
Jul 02 16:27:16 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: and being ignorent of what people are attempting to tell you throughout all this, is not smart either
Jul 02 16:27:30 <g00s> like jake said, minSdk=14 or 15 and move, on, what the f is the problem here ?
Jul 02 16:27:32 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  A significant propotion of Android users use it.
Jul 02 16:27:34 <TacticalJoke> And I do, too.
Jul 02 16:27:52 <TacticalJoke> proportion*
Jul 02 16:27:55 <g00s> TacticalJoke what market ?
Jul 02 16:28:05 <g00s> i mean, what is your target market ?
Jul 02 16:28:05 <TacticalJoke> All Android users.
Jul 02 16:28:11 <TacticalJoke> Anyone.  ;)
Jul 02 16:28:11 <g00s> no, thats to vague
Jul 02 16:28:26 <g00s> if your target market is US, you're wasting your time on GB users
Jul 02 16:28:31 <TacticalJoke> I'm thinking of multiple apps.
Jul 02 16:28:31 <g00s> if its Poland, maybe
Jul 02 16:28:34 <Ologn> "this app doesn't work", "not working"..."not working", "doesn't appear to work", "not working", "simply not responding", "freezing"
Jul 02 16:28:44 <Ologn> ^ actual ANR user messages
Jul 02 16:28:46 <TacticalJoke> Ologn:  You weren't even here when the question was asked.
Jul 02 16:28:51 <TacticalJoke> It was a good thing that I was general and not specific.
Jul 02 16:29:02 <TacticalJoke> As I said, being specific would have caused problems.
Jul 02 16:29:16 <TacticalJoke> I don't want to make assumptions because I am the one asking questions.
Jul 02 16:29:27 <TacticalJoke> An analogy is going to the doctor.
Jul 02 16:29:29 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: but not giving any info
Jul 02 16:29:31 <TacticalJoke> You say stuff like "I feel a pain here".
Jul 02 16:29:44 <StingRay_> oh "here"
Jul 02 16:29:48 <StingRay_> thats specific
Jul 02 16:29:51 <TacticalJoke> You DON'T say stuff like "I believe that my appendix has burst.  Or maybe I have a liver problem.".
Jul 02 16:29:55 <StingRay_> your just saying, "i feel pain"
Jul 02 16:29:58 <TacticalJoke> No, the doctor decides what is wrong.
Jul 02 16:30:07 <g00s> i think he just wants a tutorial on getting ABS working in AS with aars
Jul 02 16:30:11 <StingRay_> well no, your not even saying that
Jul 02 16:30:21 <TacticalJoke> Being specific is not only useless but problematic.
Jul 02 16:30:25 <StingRay_> your saying to the doctor, "something is not right, how do i fix it"
Jul 02 16:30:29 <TacticalJoke> Exactly, g00s.
Jul 02 16:30:42 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: then why not ask that ?
Jul 02 16:30:48 <StingRay_> or would that be too specific ?
Jul 02 16:30:50 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 16:30:51 <TacticalJoke> I asked how to get it working in Android Studio.
Jul 02 16:30:56 <TacticalJoke> The experts get to decide the best way.
Jul 02 16:31:01 <TacticalJoke> Just as the doctor gets to tell me why I'm feeling pain.
Jul 02 16:31:04 <StingRay_> android studio is an IDE
Jul 02 16:31:06 <p_l> well, GB is still 36%
Jul 02 16:31:07 <TacticalJoke> Indeed.
Jul 02 16:31:07 <StingRay_> not a build system
Jul 02 16:31:15 <TacticalJoke> It's an IDE that features a build system.
Jul 02 16:31:18 <TacticalJoke> Gradle.
Jul 02 16:31:24 <StingRay_> no
Jul 02 16:31:27 <StingRay_> it can use
Jul 02 16:31:29 <JakeWharton> p_l: globally, which means almost nothing
Jul 02 16:31:30 <spacecaker> android studio compiles the app aswell
Jul 02 16:31:40 <spacecaker> and also shows live previews of ur layout
Jul 02 16:31:56 <p_l> JakeWharton: well, someone used to claim about global use earlier anyway :P
Jul 02 16:32:23 <TacticalJoke> StingRay_:  What I said is true.
Jul 02 16:32:33 <TacticalJoke> Android Studio is an IDE that features a build system called Gradle.
Jul 02 16:32:34 <TacticalJoke> Fact.
Jul 02 16:32:41 <StingRay_> who cares
Jul 02 16:32:44 <StingRay_> I use ant
Jul 02 16:32:47 <TacticalJoke> So, you retract your 'no', I take it.
Jul 02 16:32:47 <StingRay_> with android studio
Jul 02 16:32:52 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 16:33:41 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: I just think your apparent "expectation" of people to commit time to helping train you due to lack of specifics and your unwillingness to say, I get this error when trying this…. speaks volumes
Jul 02 16:33:44 <pfn> why bother with android studio when you can just use CE of idea?
Jul 02 16:33:49 <pfn> I don't understand that at all
Jul 02 16:33:54 <TacticalJoke> Again, I was asking a basic question.
Jul 02 16:33:55 <pfn> maybe slightly better gradle integration, but it's not that great
Jul 02 16:34:00 <TacticalJoke> About using ABS in Android Studio.
Jul 02 16:34:06 <TacticalJoke> I am not the expert; I don't define the parameters.
Jul 02 16:34:13 <TacticalJoke> Just as I don't tell the doctor what is wrong with me.
Jul 02 16:34:23 <TacticalJoke> I let the experts define the parameters and tell me what I should be doing.
Jul 02 16:34:30 <StingRay_> TacticalJoke: but you give him symptoms with speciics
Jul 02 16:34:35 <StingRay_> specifics *
Jul 02 16:34:37 <TacticalJoke> And I gave enough details.
Jul 02 16:34:42 <StingRay_> something you feel you dont need to do here
Jul 02 16:34:44 <TacticalJoke> "I want to use ABS and I'm using Android Studio."
Jul 02 16:34:47 <pfn> TacticalJoke, git clone abs, mvn publish:local or whatever the stupid command is
Jul 02 16:34:52 <pfn> then load the aar in android studio
Jul 02 16:34:54 <StingRay_> "I get class not found" gradle error
Jul 02 16:34:56 <pfn> using the dependency path
Jul 02 16:34:58 <StingRay_> see that
Jul 02 16:35:02 <StingRay_> specific
Jul 02 16:35:07 <TacticalJoke> StingRay_:  And that assumes that my method is a good idea!
Jul 02 16:35:10 <TacticalJoke> What if it's not?
Jul 02 16:35:16 <TacticalJoke> What if there's a better way I don't know of.
Jul 02 16:35:22 <StingRay_> jesus, done with this
Jul 02 16:35:29 <StingRay_> nice talking to you :)
Jul 02 16:35:31 <TacticalJoke> Yes, because your objections are ridiculous.
Jul 02 16:35:43 <StingRay_> indeed, all you say is true
Jul 02 16:35:47 <StingRay_> I am totally wrong
Jul 02 16:35:51 <StingRay_> have a good day
Jul 02 16:36:14 <TacticalJoke> Playing the victim sounds like fun.
Jul 02 16:36:31 <JakeWharton> pfn: he's using Gradle, not maven
Jul 02 16:37:20 <pfn> JakeWharton, oh, whatever  :p
Jul 02 16:37:25 <pfn> anyway, sounds like the problem is solved then
Jul 02 16:37:33 <pfn> you already gave him the gradle command
Jul 02 16:37:35 <pfn> what more would he need
Jul 02 16:37:41 <TacticalJoke> Nobody gave me a working Gradle command.
Jul 02 16:37:42 <TacticalJoke> What was it?
Jul 02 16:37:47 <pfn> you should pay attention
Jul 02 16:37:54 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton gave one but then retracted it.
Jul 02 16:37:57 <pfn> JakeWharton gave you the gradlew command like 10 minutes ago
Jul 02 16:37:58 <TacticalJoke> Is that what you're talking about?
Jul 02 16:38:02 <pfn> he never retracted it
Jul 02 16:38:04 <TacticalJoke> Did you see his retracting it?
Jul 02 16:38:07 <pfn> he just said abs doesn't come with gradlew
Jul 02 16:38:11 <BojanBG> Quick question: I am going to need a second actionbar that's located on the bottom, is there a solution to extend the top actionbar bottom aswell and place certain icons there, or should I go on and create my own view?
Jul 02 16:38:35 <TacticalJoke> <JakeWharton> actually there's no gradlew in ABS
Jul 02 16:38:39 <pfn> yeah
Jul 02 16:38:42 <pfn> that's not a retraction
Jul 02 16:38:45 <TacticalJoke> Who's not paying attention?
Jul 02 16:38:46 <pfn> that means GET IT YOURSELF YOU LAZY BUM
Jul 02 16:39:07 <JakeWharton> just use gradle directly since there's no gradle wrapper included
Jul 02 16:40:20 <TacticalJoke> What is the Gradle command?  I don't know much about Gradle.
Jul 02 16:40:23 <pfn> for that matter, android studio ships with gradle
Jul 02 16:41:06 <g00s> i would be interested to hear from xav why gradle was chosen over supporting maven's android plugin or something. i wonder if it had to do with product flavors - i'm not quite sure how i would impl that as a maven plugin writer
Jul 02 16:45:53 <g00s> i keep going to google reader out of habit :(
Jul 02 16:46:32 <g00s> i need to look at netnewswire and vienna
Jul 02 16:51:29 <JakeWharton> g00s: you'd do it that same way you would with gradle
Jul 02 16:51:34 <JakeWharton> add source folders to the compile path
Jul 02 16:52:59 <JakeWharton> The lack of dynamism is probably most of the reason
Jul 02 16:53:50 <liquidmetal> g00s, gradle is a cross between ant and maven
Jul 02 16:54:07 <p_l> or rather, an in-between
Jul 02 16:54:14 <liquidmetal> yup
Jul 02 16:54:45 <liquidmetal> ant is too explicit and maven isn't very configurable
Jul 02 16:55:03 <liquidmetal> gradle finds a sweet spot between the two
Jul 02 16:55:04 <JakeWharton> ant isn't a build system
Jul 02 16:55:29 <liquidmetal> then?
Jul 02 16:56:10 <JakeWharton> saying Gradle is a cross or an in-between of Ant and Maven is a disservice to Gradle and Maven and giving Ant far more credit than it deserves
Jul 02 16:57:26 <liquidmetal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Ant
Jul 02 16:58:02 <liquidmetal> That sounds like a build system...
Jul 02 16:58:58 <JakeWharton> Ant is a build system in the same sense as a dictionary is a pulitzer-prize winning, best-seller novel
Jul 02 16:59:40 <liquidmetal> wait, do you just make comparisons?
Jul 02 17:00:10 <TacticalJoke> I'm downloading IntelliJ.
Jul 02 17:00:21 <TacticalJoke> If I can't get ABS working in this I might just nuke humanity.
Jul 02 17:00:27 <TacticalJoke> Apologise in advance.
Jul 02 17:00:35 <TacticalJoke> Apologies*
Jul 02 17:00:41 <liquidmetal> abs?
Jul 02 17:00:45 <TacticalJoke> ActionBarSherlock.
Jul 02 17:01:56 <Bleeptech> TacticalJoke:  Ehh, Just nuke a few brain cells with a TacticalToke...  LOL..
Jul 02 17:02:22 <kakazza> JakeWharton: You and others often preach that android:configChanges="orientation" is an abomination and that one should learn how to properly handle orientation change. Yet I see it used in every Activity in, i.e., Github Nadroid
Jul 02 17:02:24 <kakazza> Android*
Jul 02 17:02:26 <pfn> gradle allows pretty easy in-line code, so it's easier to script
Jul 02 17:02:44 <TacticalJoke> I would prefer to nuke humanity.
Jul 02 17:02:48 <TacticalJoke> Given my current mood.
Jul 02 17:02:50 <pfn> kakazza, configChanges orientation is ok for being lazy and if you don't have separate -port and -land resources
Jul 02 17:02:56 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it's selfish.
Jul 02 17:03:02 <TacticalJoke> But it would be kind of satisfying.
Jul 02 17:03:04 <pfn> and maybe -swXX resources
Jul 02 17:03:07 <pfn> er, -wXX
Jul 02 17:03:10 <JakeWharton> kakazza: well I'll have to yell at kevin then
Jul 02 17:03:43 <pfn> I always imagine that not having to recreate the activity results in a better performing app in terms of responsiveness
Jul 02 17:03:59 <pfn> e.g. with a video player, there's no way to have a nice video player without doing configChanges=orientation
Jul 02 17:04:18 <kakazza> pfn: That's basically the two opinions I hear in here. One is Jake and SimonVT, the other is yours ;p
Jul 02 17:04:21 <TacticalJoke> I'm hoping that IntelliJ IDEA is Android Studio minus the annoyances.
Jul 02 17:04:27 <JakeWharton> kakazza: we're the right ones
Jul 02 17:04:35 <kakazza> heh
Jul 02 17:04:47 <JakeWharton> there are a handful of cases where you should use it
Jul 02 17:05:03 <kakazza> Not having separate -port and -land resources seems like a valid point.
Jul 02 17:05:31 <pfn> well, the reason to not use it is for when you do end up having resources that need to be loaded up on rotation
Jul 02 17:05:40 <pfn> and your code isn't written to accomodate it, it'll be somewhat of a pain to handle
Jul 02 17:05:43 <pfn> but really, it isn't
Jul 02 17:07:08 <JakeWharton> if your code is written properly you shouldn't even have to think about needing to handle configuration changes
Jul 02 17:07:46 <JakeWharton> and that includes the speed in which your activities can start up and tear themselves down
Jul 02 17:07:49 <kakazza> I guess a reference sample app would help a lot of people, including me. Currently I don't use configChanges because I fear that Jake will hunt me down. But I also think that configChanges is a lot more painless if there are no -land resources.
Jul 02 17:08:07 <JakeWharton> that's an anti-pattern, though
Jul 02 17:08:11 <kakazza> You mean that things that should persist shouldn't even be in the Activity?
Jul 02 17:08:21 <kakazza> What is?
Jul 02 17:08:58 <JakeWharton> adding config change handling just because you don't think the resources should be reloaded
Jul 02 17:09:11 <TacticalJoke> Just wondering:  Does anybody here use Eclipse for serious Android development?
Jul 02 17:09:30 <kakazza> TacticalJoke: I did, switched only recently.
Jul 02 17:09:39 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jul 02 17:10:27 <pfn> uh, the vast majority of android development has been in eclipse, I imagine
Jul 02 17:10:55 <pfn> and in just about all teams I've ever worked with, maybe 9 out of 10 people are using eclipse for android
Jul 02 17:11:22 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Jul 02 17:12:13 <firetramp> Hi guys. Is it possible to change your app's package name in the google play store (i.e com.mydomain.myapp)?
Jul 02 17:12:39 <darken> firetramp, afterwards ? no
Jul 02 17:12:50 <kjeldahl> Is it just me, or did some dependency checking stuff break with Android Studio 1.0.9? If I modify strings.xml and similar and press Shift+F10, the new strings.xml is not included.
Jul 02 17:12:53 <firetramp> darken, ok thanks.
Jul 02 17:13:39 <kjeldahl> I mean 0.1.9 of course.
Jul 02 17:14:12 <darken> TacticalJoke, which IDE you use, is a matter of taste in the end
Jul 02 17:14:23 * StingRay_ is giving serious thought to dropping AS for just intelliJ
Jul 02 17:14:28 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jul 02 17:16:17 <darken> I'll wait a couple of weeks/month then try AS , but I'm happy with eclipse, though performance could be better ;)
Jul 02 17:16:36 <StingRay_> I liked eclipse most of the time
Jul 02 17:16:43 <TacticalJoke> I might just use Eclipse; not sure.
Jul 02 17:17:22 <darken> TacticalJoke, if this is keeping you from working use eclipse, so you get some code done, you can always switch another time
Jul 02 17:17:28 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jul 02 17:17:33 <Eric_Loves_You> I've used IntelliJ for like 2 years now. Would never go back to Eclipse.
Jul 02 17:17:34 <TacticalJoke> I guess I could migrate to AS after some time.
Jul 02 17:20:10 <tomeo> When I create a custom view, can I specify the contents of that view with an xml-file somehow just like I can do with activities?
Jul 02 17:20:26 <StingRay_> tomeo: yes
Jul 02 17:20:27 <sinistersnare> hey yall, im trying to compile a libgdx project to android and im getting the following error: http://www.bpaste.net/show/yvpPx0y9oVoQ7BLmLhmH/
Jul 02 17:20:37 <StingRay_> tomeo: using inflate
Jul 02 17:20:37 <sinistersnare> im running on eclipse if that helps
Jul 02 17:20:41 <sinistersnare> win7 64bit
Jul 02 17:20:48 <tomeo> thanks StingRay_
Jul 02 17:22:00 <pfn> hmm, what's a good way to get idea to grok apklib dependencies
Jul 02 17:22:31 <StingRay_> tomeo, btw you would "   inflate.inflate(R.lyout.mylayout, this);   "
Jul 02 17:22:34 <JakeWharton> they're a zip of a project directory
Jul 02 17:22:51 <StingRay_> tomeo: as in just run on the root of that view class iirc
Jul 02 17:23:12 <pfn> JakeWharton, I know that
Jul 02 17:23:23 <JakeWharton> what else do you need to know then?
Jul 02 17:23:28 <tomeo> StingRay_: According to stack overflow I have to context.getSystemService(Context.LAYOUT_INFLATER_SERVICE) first in order to get inflate
Jul 02 17:23:39 <StingRay_> tomeo: well yes
Jul 02 17:23:41 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 17:23:49 <JakeWharton> tomeo: if you have a context just do LayoutInflater.from(context)
Jul 02 17:23:58 <tomeo> JakeWharton: thanks
Jul 02 17:24:02 <JakeWharton> less code and less one ugly cast
Jul 02 17:24:39 <pfn> JakeWharton, I want idea to understand it without actually trying to build it
Jul 02 17:24:51 <kakazza> What's stuff you guys usually put into your BaseActivity and BaseFragment?
Jul 02 17:25:22 <Thorbear> What is the recommended way of performing multiple inserts into a content provider (interfacing with an sqlite database)? AsyncQueryHandler seems to only handle single inserts, which I'd have to chain by sending a list of ContentValue objects, but it seems like there must be a better way
Jul 02 17:25:44 <JakeWharton> kakazza: dependency injection!
Jul 02 17:25:54 <kakazza> For stuff like what?
Jul 02 17:26:03 <kakazza> I'm guessing the Otto bus.
Jul 02 17:26:49 <JakeWharton> bus, authenticator, http services, picasso instance, etc.
Jul 02 17:27:40 <TacticalJoke> IntelliJ is way faster than Android Studio is.
Jul 02 17:27:41 <kakazza> Anything you'd not put in a BaseFragment but into the BaseActivity?
Jul 02 17:27:54 <darken> kakazza, pretty broad question :)
Jul 02 17:28:06 <kakazza> It is.
Jul 02 17:28:15 <kakazza> Generally speaking, of course it will differ from app to app.
Jul 02 17:29:06 <kakazza> JakeWharton: HTTP Services is the one thing I wonder how to properly handle during orientation change.
Jul 02 17:29:55 <kakazza> I guess they are a @Singleton and you just fetch the instance in onCreate?
Jul 02 17:30:01 <JakeWharton> we use singleton "controllers" that get injected into the fragments which do the actual http calls
Jul 02 17:30:15 <Ge0rG> Thorbear: ContentResolver.bulkInsert
Jul 02 17:30:19 <JakeWharton> activities and fragments are just views which attach to the controller and get data pushed into them from the controller
Jul 02 17:30:52 <darken> kakazza, could also put stuff in a service and fragments rebind after recreation
Jul 02 17:31:14 <Thorbear> Ge0rG: And then put that in an AsyncTask? Since it doesn't provide the background-thread on its own
Jul 02 17:31:45 <Ge0rG> Thorbear: yeah, I think so
Jul 02 17:34:08 <kakazza> jasta: Did you ever publish the dagger benchmarks?
Jul 02 17:34:54 <kakazza> JakeWharton: So you have a lot of controllers and never directly talk to services etc? I guess in case the implementation changes, the controller doesn't and you only have to change the controller, once.
Jul 02 17:35:40 <kakazza> So you try to have a somewhat clean MVC pattern?
Jul 02 17:36:11 <JakeWharton> yeah. it works well if you don't have a database or content provider backing your data
Jul 02 17:36:23 <kjeldahl> Should I look into proguard before releasing, or is it just not worth it (my app isn't big, 1.3MB, including FBSDK, PlaySDK, AdMobSDK, InAppBillingSDK)?
Jul 02 17:36:31 <kakazza> What happens if you have a DB or Contentprovider?
Jul 02 17:36:33 <JakeWharton> activities and fragments come and go as views into the data and the controllers don't care
Jul 02 17:36:47 <kjeldahl> And my server typically requires syncing against a server, so piracy shouldn't be a major issue.
Jul 02 17:36:54 <kjeldahl> And my client... I meant.
Jul 02 17:37:07 <screwsss> hey, my problem is simple but not sure about the solution - accidentally deleted all my sms messages from my phone (garmin nuvi phone A50) any way to get these back, or am i s.o.o.l. ?
Jul 02 17:37:14 <JakeWharton> i'm working on an app with a DB and content provider now
Jul 02 17:37:21 <JakeWharton> it's absolutely the worst thing in the world
Jul 02 17:37:28 <kakazza> heh, how so?
Jul 02 17:37:30 <JakeWharton> the amount of boilerplate is staggering
Jul 02 17:37:42 <JakeWharton> i mean, i write 10x more code just to hook shit up than it necessary
Jul 02 17:38:18 <tomeo> StingRay_: inflate.inflate(R.lyout.mylayout, this) expects 'this' to be a ViewGroup. Is it not possible to inflate an xml-resource on an ordinary view?
Jul 02 17:38:59 <darken> screwsss, if you don't have a backup, no
Jul 02 17:40:01 <screwsss> darken: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sms.recovery&hl=en
Jul 02 17:40:05 <screwsss> should i bother?
Jul 02 17:40:08 <tanob> any user of the maven-android-plugin? I'm trying to include a native library into my app but I'm not having success...
Jul 02 17:41:33 <nseidm1> screwsss: I doubt there's a long delay between deleting messages from the app, and the database updating to reflect the changes. The odds are they are gone by now.
Jul 02 17:41:34 <kakazza> JakeWharton: I'd love to see some kind of Controller that you use to see how you communicate with the Activity and Model. Esp. how a Controller pushes something into an Activity etc. Isn't it hard to write such a general purpose controller that can push stuff into any kind of Fragment/Activity?
Jul 02 17:41:38 <Thorbear> tanob: to use apklib with maven and eclipse you'll probably need to use the latest snapshot release of the m2e plugin
Jul 02 17:42:08 <JakeWharton> kakazza: it's not generic. the controllers are purpose built for each thing
Jul 02 17:42:09 <screwsss> oo so not even worth trying
Jul 02 17:42:23 <tanob> Thorbear: I'm actually using IntelliJ 13 EAP
Jul 02 17:42:35 <JakeWharton> kakazza: this way your activities and fragments are basically just these really dumb classes that just hook views up to an interface that the controller can push directly in to
Jul 02 17:42:39 <nseidm1> screwsss: correct
Jul 02 17:42:43 <tanob> I've found the following https://code.google.com/p/maven-android-plugin/wiki/NativeLibsAsDependencies
Jul 02 17:42:57 <JakeWharton> all the logic that would have otherwise been in the activity and fragment are now down in the controller
Jul 02 17:43:00 <tanob> but that is not working out of the box
Jul 02 17:43:03 <Thorbear> tanob: ah, then I don't know. Android Studio seems to handle maven just fine =)
Jul 02 17:43:28 <screwsss> why r sms's like the only thing u cant recover after delition
Jul 02 17:43:57 <nseidm1> screwsss: you need a backup to recover
Jul 02 17:44:03 <nseidm1> use Helium Backup in the future
Jul 02 17:44:25 <screwsss> its for my old man, not me
Jul 02 17:44:32 <kakazza> JakeWharton: That's what I'm facing here in some legacy apps I maintain. All the logic is in the Activities, safe for a few 1000+ line classes that either end in "Handler" or "Manager", heh.
Jul 02 17:44:35 <nseidm1> he can use Helium Backup too :-)
Jul 02 17:45:02 <kakazza> What naming scheme do you use, though? "FooFragment", "FooController"?
Jul 02 17:45:14 <JakeWharton> kakazza: yep
Jul 02 17:46:47 <Norrin> kakazza o/
Jul 02 17:47:02 <kakazza> Norrin: heh
Jul 02 17:47:04 <kakazza> \o
Jul 02 17:47:17 <Norrin> android ui testing framework recommendation anyone?
Jul 02 17:47:45 <screwsss> dont think the old basterd would know how to use it
Jul 02 17:48:22 <kakazza> Norrin: Fast UI tests that you actually can't see: Robolectric 2
Jul 02 17:48:46 <kakazza> Slow tests you can see: Robotium (or I guess to an extend Spoon?)
Jul 02 17:50:17 <Norrin> cool.  will wrote that down
Jul 02 17:50:41 <Norrin> think i saw roboelectric mentioned before.  seems like i remember both or one of those not being maintained anymore or something
Jul 02 17:50:45 <kakazza> JakeWharton: That's just beautiful.
Jul 02 17:51:17 <kakazza> So the Fragments and Activities don't even have a public API in the sense of public methods but and Interface to the outside world?
Jul 02 17:51:37 <nseidm1> Norrin: Robolectric is great, you may end up extending your activities to strip them down a bit, but you can really catch real world lifecycle race conditions.
Jul 02 17:51:43 <kakazza> Norrin: Robolectric (1.x) is dead, long live Robolectric (2.x)!
Jul 02 17:51:51 <kakazza> And Robotium is very much active too.
Jul 02 17:52:21 <JakeWharton> kakazza: fragments and activities implement an interface provided by the controller. in onResume and onPause they set and remove themselves as the controller's UI
Jul 02 17:52:38 <JakeWharton> when a controller gets a new UI set, it pushes the current state into it via the interface methods
Jul 02 17:53:08 <tanob> kakazza: I've got some different behaviors between v1 and v2, I wouldn't consider v2 stable yet
Jul 02 17:53:26 <Norrin> all things being equal, i have no need to see the tests if both suites do an equal job.
Jul 02 17:53:46 <tanob> kakazza: or I should have reported the issues and help to get it better :)
Jul 02 17:53:46 <Norrin> but that's assuming they're equal.  so other than seeing the tests or not, what's the pros/cons?
Jul 02 17:54:01 <JakeWharton> tanob: the behaviors on v2 are closer to a real device
Jul 02 17:54:04 <Norrin> nseidm1, kakazza ^
Jul 02 17:54:42 <JakeWharton> v1 is a bunch of faked behavior to try and emulate real Android whereas v2 actually uses 99% real Android code
Jul 02 17:55:08 <screwsss> when i download an app from play store, is the setup file saved on my sd card somewhere, or not really
Jul 02 17:56:02 <nseidm1> screwsss: an apps data is in /data/data/"package name"
Jul 02 17:56:02 <kakazza> JakeWharton: *_*
Jul 02 17:56:04 <nseidm1> not on the sd
Jul 02 17:56:57 <Miesco> Hi, what technique would you use to do drawable animation?
Jul 02 17:56:59 <kakazza> That sounds like a fantastic idea. I haven't given that much thought at all, since I kept being told that Activities are the Controller. :|
Jul 02 17:57:10 <Miesco> Such as with ShapeDrawable
Jul 02 17:57:15 <kakazza> Now I am dumbfounded.
Jul 02 17:57:19 <tanob> JakeWharton: yep, I've heard that, need to try it again and report the issues
Jul 02 17:57:28 <JakeWharton> tanob: please do!
Jul 02 17:57:53 <StingRay_> Miesco: what sort of anim ?
Jul 02 17:57:55 <nseidm1> Miesco: AnimationDrawable is great for crossfade transitions
Jul 02 17:58:14 <pfn> http://blog.cppse.nl/phpstorm-ideavim-escape-key-responsiveness
Jul 02 17:58:19 <pfn> hmm, describes my experience with ideavim
Jul 02 17:58:34 <Miesco> I want to move a ShapeDrawable across the screen
Jul 02 17:58:49 <nseidm1> ObjectAnimator sounds applicable
Jul 02 18:00:39 <g00s> yeah, content providers are the worst. i wish something like firebase was baked in
Jul 02 18:01:16 <screwsss> the setup file is saved inside internal? really
Jul 02 18:01:22 <screwsss> no wonder why i run outta space so quickly
Jul 02 18:01:24 <JakeWharton> the concept is sound, the code should just be generated for you based off a schema
Jul 02 18:02:09 <screwsss> okay in astro data shows up as empty great
Jul 02 18:02:12 <Miesco> nseidm1: ObjectAnimator?  But there is no setX or setY methods in a ShapeDrawable
Jul 02 18:02:57 <Miesco> nseidm1: Even with ValueAnimator I would have to Rect bounds = getBounds(), then somehow extract all the values, change x, then setBounds()
Jul 02 18:03:50 <nseidm1> Put the drawable in an ImageVIew for ObjectionAnimator, or draw the drawable on a canvas like a game would
Jul 02 18:05:27 <Miesco> nseidm1: Oh I see
Jul 02 18:06:42 <nseidm1> ie. ObjectAnimator.ofFloat(imageViewWithDrawable, "translationX", 0, 1000);
Jul 02 18:08:58 <kjeldahl> So using gradle I can "./gradlew installRelease"; any way I can change or add to that cmdline to get it to start it automatically as well?
Jul 02 18:10:10 <SimonVT> For view properties, you really should use ViewPropertyAnimator ^_^
Jul 02 18:11:05 <JesusFreke> kjeldahl: you can probably add a task that runs adb shell am start <appropriate params>, and have it depend on installRelease
Jul 02 18:11:34 <JesusFreke> then ./gradlew myNewRunTask will run installRelease, and then whatever actions you define in the new task (i.e. the adb install)
Jul 02 18:11:42 <JesusFreke> there may be other/better ways of doing it though :)
Jul 02 18:11:56 <Sicp> yea like using Eclipse instead of AS
Jul 02 18:12:06 <kjeldahl> JesusFreke: Thanks, I figured something like that could be done, but was hoping it was already supported. Probably isn't since I can't find any easier way.
Jul 02 18:12:25 <JesusFreke> kjeldahl: yeah, not sure. I haven't looked at the android gradle stuff yet :)
Jul 02 18:13:42 <kjeldahl> On the upside; proguard just "worked" after I enabled it in my build file and shaved of 30-40% of my apk size.
Jul 02 18:18:45 <g00s> oh my, the htc one s isn't getting 4.2
Jul 02 18:19:00 <g00s> i guess its like somebody said : one = one update
Jul 02 18:19:17 <TacticalJoke> I got ABS working!
Jul 02 18:19:24 <TacticalJoke> Humanity shall not be nuked until further notice.
Jul 02 18:20:39 <g00s> TacticalJoke if you nuke humanity, where will you live ?
Jul 02 18:20:47 <BenOrnstin> Is there a way to specify in app which application should handle a particular Intent.  My client has two apps that take email intents installed, but only one of them is actually valid.
Jul 02 18:21:10 <BenOrnstin> I mean, to skip the chooser step.
Jul 02 18:21:37 <g00s> well, i guess you could ask which things can handle your intent and filter that programatically
Jul 02 18:21:53 <g00s> you might need the package name
Jul 02 18:22:00 <sinistersnare> hey, im getting this error when trying to build a libgdx project: [2013-07-02 14:21:23 - Dex Loader] Unable to execute dex: Multiple dex files define Lcom/badlogic/gdx/backends/android/AndroidApplication$1;
Jul 02 18:22:19 <sinistersnare> i tried googling around, but i havent been able to fix it
Jul 02 18:22:42 <sinistersnare> i think its an error with my classpath, so i deleted everything from my build path in eclipse
Jul 02 18:22:45 <sinistersnare> and reset it
Jul 02 18:22:50 <TacticalJoke> I will go down with the rest of you.
Jul 02 18:22:50 <sinistersnare> but its still happening
Jul 02 18:22:54 <TacticalJoke> I guess.
Jul 02 18:23:11 <BenOrnstin> g00s, thanks, I'll take a look at that
Jul 02 18:32:40 <codebutler> TacticalJoke: g00s: http://codebutler.com/2013/07/02/android-libraries-with-gradle-and-android-studio/
Jul 02 18:35:25 <g00s> codebutler hm, thanks. i have been putting my aars in my local .m2/repo
Jul 02 18:35:48 <g00s> did you mention that there was some weird bug where aars couldn't be used locally in some case, actually that was from xav
Jul 02 18:35:54 <g00s> can't remember now
Jul 02 18:36:03 <codebutler> that works too, but I prefer to keep everything self contained
Jul 02 18:37:04 <JakeWharton> interesting choice
Jul 02 18:40:02 <screwsss> if i downloaded an app and it gives me an error: could not parse the file
Jul 02 18:40:10 <screwsss> does that mean my phone is too oldschool to run that particular app
Jul 02 18:47:52 <tomeo> Do all views get recreated when the phone is rotated? (do the constructors run again)
Jul 02 18:48:05 <hwrd|work> tomeo: Normally, yes!
Jul 02 18:48:11 <hwrd|work> *no
Jul 02 18:48:16 <hwrd|work> t
Jul 02 18:48:23 <SimonVT> Your entire Activity is recreated
Jul 02 18:48:41 <hwrd|work> tomeo: Define "view". Do you mean does "onCreateView" get called?
Jul 02 18:49:48 <tomeo> hwrd|work: I have a class that extends LinearLayout. When I turn the screen it seems like I get a new instance of the class
Jul 02 18:50:31 <tanob> tomeo: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html#config
Jul 02 18:51:08 <tanob> if no configChanges attribute is specified in your activity declaration on AndroidManifest.xml, yes, Android will destroy and recreate the activity
Jul 02 18:51:23 <tanob> that is because your activity might have different layouts for different orientations
Jul 02 18:51:35 <screwsss> tell me
Jul 02 18:51:38 <screwsss> why are sms's so hard to recover
Jul 02 18:51:40 <screwsss> on android phones
Jul 02 18:51:49 <StingRay_> screwsss: they are not
Jul 02 18:51:50 <screwsss> is it the disk structure
Jul 02 18:51:53 <screwsss> really?
Jul 02 18:51:57 <StingRay_> really really
Jul 02 18:52:06 <tomeo> tanob: it says to only use that attribute as a last resort :)
Jul 02 18:52:06 <screwsss> maybe you can lend me a bit of a hand
Jul 02 18:52:10 <screwsss> cause i accidentally wiped all my sms's
Jul 02 18:52:17 <StingRay_> oh
Jul 02 18:52:21 <screwsss> 'delete threads' on  A50 phone
Jul 02 18:52:24 <StingRay_> oh you mean you deleted them
Jul 02 18:52:30 <screwsss> what did you think i meant
Jul 02 18:52:31 <StingRay_> not that you want to read the database
Jul 02 18:52:37 <StingRay_> recover data from the database
Jul 02 18:52:39 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 18:52:51 <screwsss> do you know if this will help in my case: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=easis.sms.recovery.demo&feature=more_from_developer&rdid=easis.sms.recovery.demo&rdot=1
Jul 02 18:52:54 <screwsss> some sorta sms recovery app
Jul 02 18:53:08 <tanob> tomeo: it depends :) sometimes your activity will need to control it. I had that link opened because in my current project there's a video component that needs to control the orientation change...
Jul 02 18:53:09 <StingRay_> no, if you deleted the db, then it's gone
Jul 02 18:53:16 <nseidm1> :-P
Jul 02 18:53:18 <screwsss> im not sure if i deleted the db
Jul 02 18:53:23 <screwsss> how can i find that out for sure
Jul 02 18:53:25 <StingRay_> have a look
Jul 02 18:53:27 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 02 18:53:33 <screwsss> with astro file maanger?
Jul 02 18:53:50 <screwsss> im not entirely sure what im looking for, and where im going to sift through for stareters
Jul 02 18:53:50 <StingRay_> if that can look/read/open sqlite
Jul 02 18:53:59 <nseidm1> The text messaging app shows all texts directly from the database
Jul 02 18:54:18 <screwsss> sqlite is an app i get from the play store?
Jul 02 18:54:25 <StingRay_> no
Jul 02 18:54:29 <kbs> screwsss: Is your phone rooted?
Jul 02 18:54:32 <screwsss> not sure im understanding what youre meaning
Jul 02 18:54:35 <screwsss> yup rooted
Jul 02 18:54:51 <StingRay_> think this is wrong channel to ask in really
Jul 02 18:55:26 <kbs> screwsss: probably, first thing to do is to save a copy of your sqlite database. I believe it shows up somewhere under com.android.providers.telephony
Jul 02 18:55:29 <screwsss> k thats kool, which would be the right channel
Jul 02 18:55:32 <nseidm1> Unfortunately if you don't see your texts in the phones messaging app, then they are gone :-( There's no magic storage space.
Jul 02 18:55:47 <StingRay_> screwsss: #android-root  #xda-devs
Jul 02 18:55:50 <StingRay_> something like that
Jul 02 18:56:03 <StingRay_> but yeah what nseidm1 said!
Jul 02 18:56:18 <screwsss> what did kbs say
Jul 02 18:56:19 <kbs> screwsss: if you get lucky, you might just be able to dump the strings from the sqlite database -- if nothing else, you may see some strings that might give you some subset of data.
Jul 02 18:56:19 <screwsss> com.android.providers.telephon ?
Jul 02 18:56:57 <kbs> screwsss: you need to find the app directory for whatever app you use to manage your sms
Jul 02 18:57:07 <nseidm1> There is no subset of data in the sms-mms content provider, the stock messaging app just iterates them using threadId as the where clause
Jul 02 18:57:18 <screwsss> kbs: im gonna need something a little more advanced than astro?
Jul 02 18:57:22 <nseidm1> or the conversations sub database
Jul 02 18:57:48 <kbs> screwsss: yes -- you'll likely (at the very least) want to save your sqlite database to let other tools (if at all possible) get data out from it.
Jul 02 18:58:14 <screwsss> cant seem to find com.android.providers.telephony
Jul 02 18:58:21 <screwsss> at least not with astro
Jul 02 18:58:33 <nseidm1> the initial interface of all messaging apps pull form the conversations sub database. That's where it get's the threadIds from to parse through the main sms-mms content provider
Jul 02 18:59:07 <screwsss> hold up i think i found it
Jul 02 18:59:27 <kbs> nseidm1: screwsss is basically screwed-sms right now ;-) best bet might be at least to save the raw db file first.
Jul 02 18:59:50 <screwsss>  /system/app/telephonyprovider.apk
Jul 02 19:00:03 <screwsss> wow i am such a newb
Jul 02 19:00:44 <nseidm1> This is nice a single to read the sqlite database directly from the phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.speedsoftware.sqleditor
Jul 02 19:00:48 <nseidm1> *app
Jul 02 19:01:23 <nseidm1> It'll be empty though :-(
Jul 02 19:01:25 <kbs> nseidm1: so again, screwsss has already deleted the relevant entries. So, need some different approach to handle the situation
Jul 02 19:01:45 <memoryleak> I've the following code http://pastie.org/private/uktb2iczmb1qydbw2uk9sw and I'm trying to get Otto EventBus to work. What I've debugged: Registering and unregistering of the activity works fine, the onClick handler of the textview gets called. However, the event subscriber never gets called by Otto - can someone help me with this?
Jul 02 19:01:46 <StingRay_> and a different channel
Jul 02 19:05:17 <screwsss> http://www.garminasus.com/en_MY/support/documentation/a50/A50_FW_update_and_master_clear.pdf
Jul 02 19:05:19 <SimonVT> memoryleak: You haven't subscribed to UiDontHaveAccountClicked anywhere in that pastebin
Jul 02 19:05:20 <screwsss> son of a whorebag
Jul 02 19:05:24 <screwsss> if i wanna update i have to wipe everything
Jul 02 19:06:13 <screwsss> kbs: okay where can i find said file u were talking about
Jul 02 19:06:29 <memoryleak> SimonVT: Oh, gosh. Didn't see the tree in the forrest.
Jul 02 19:09:51 <TacticalJoke> Thanks, codebutler.  I'll check it out.  :)
Jul 02 19:11:11 <TacticalJoke> Kinda off topic, but do y'all use Git?  Does nobody use Mercurial?
Jul 02 19:11:17 <TacticalJoke> I don't get Git's popularity.  Honestly.
Jul 02 19:11:21 <g00s> oh god
Jul 02 19:12:02 <JakeWharton> it's popular because it's powerful and useful
Jul 02 19:12:16 <JakeWharton> like anything with stupid APIs (hint: Android) you just have to learn it
Jul 02 19:12:37 <TacticalJoke> But Mercurial has all the power with a way better UE.  :D
Jul 02 19:12:43 <chernobog96> dropbox > git
Jul 02 19:12:48 <nseidm1> different, not better
Jul 02 19:12:57 <JakeWharton> mercurial does not have the power
Jul 02 19:13:22 <nseidm1> subversion has it's merits also, they all are unique in certain regards
Jul 02 19:13:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke you can take to the internets to see the various flamewars
Jul 02 19:13:31 <TacticalJoke> nseidm1:  I'd say the user experience is just superior.  Simple, clean, effectie.
Jul 02 19:13:33 <TacticalJoke> effective*
Jul 02 19:13:47 <nseidm1> user experience, the command line experience?
Jul 02 19:13:51 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jul 02 19:14:01 <TacticalJoke> Not talking about any GUIs.
Jul 02 19:14:37 <g00s> i would use git, ht, or svn in different circumstances
Jul 02 19:14:40 <g00s> *hg
Jul 02 19:14:47 <g00s> use what makes you happy ;)
Jul 02 19:14:53 <JakeWharton> what would you use svn for?
Jul 02 19:14:54 <cheese1756> Is it possible to get the song that the user is currently playing? It's OK if this only works for Google Music
Jul 02 19:15:00 <JakeWharton> your enemies?
Jul 02 19:15:16 <g00s> ha, no in a corporate invironment that wants centralized VC
Jul 02 19:15:34 <nseidm1> cheese1756: I'd probably look into the AccessibilityService for that
Jul 02 19:15:49 <cheese1756> nseidm1: I'll take a look at that, thanks
Jul 02 19:16:31 <JakeWharton> most people that use DVCS use a centralized server
Jul 02 19:16:42 <TacticalJoke> Right, JakeWharton.
Jul 02 19:17:06 <JakeWharton> so why stab yourself in the face with subversion when you can just have a centralized remote for a DVCS?
Jul 02 19:18:24 <g00s> its popular to flame on svn, but its still easier for many to grok, has better controls, handles huges repos better than git
Jul 02 19:19:00 <TacticalJoke> I actually find DVCSes easier to grok, I think.
Jul 02 19:19:05 <TacticalJoke> At least in some ways.
Jul 02 19:19:20 <TacticalJoke> I guess the huge-repo thing is pretty much SVN's only advantage.
Jul 02 19:19:40 <JakeWharton> agree. that's the only advantage. and if you have a git repo that big, you're probably smart enough to manage it properly or split it up
Jul 02 19:31:22 <tomeo> Can I somehow get a specific textview from a view without accessing it by id?
Jul 02 19:31:41 <tomeo> I have two instances of the same view, but I only want to update one of the textviews
Jul 02 19:31:44 <nseidm1> iterate the children
Jul 02 19:31:49 <nseidm1> use instanceof
Jul 02 19:31:55 <tomeo> nseidm1: thats what Im doing. hoping for a better way :)
Jul 02 19:32:17 <SimonVT> Get the instance when you inflate them
Jul 02 19:32:30 <g00s> you can find by tag i think
Jul 02 19:33:45 <TacticalJoke> What is a good practice regarding ActionBarSherlock and revision control when using Eclipse?
Jul 02 19:33:58 <TacticalJoke> Right now, I have ActionBarSherlock referenced in my project.properties file.
Jul 02 19:35:11 <nseidm1> Most people I know like maven, I have ant update the local git clone during build
Jul 02 19:35:32 <TacticalJoke> Do you check in the ABS source with your project?
Jul 02 19:35:37 <tomeo> Im using a style on my TextView which says <item name="android:gravity">center</item> but the text is still not centered. Am I supposed to do something else too?
Jul 02 19:35:53 <tomeo> my other items in the same style work fine
Jul 02 19:37:33 <mikedg> fucking play store
Jul 02 19:37:42 <mikedg> think im just gonna cancel my fucking nexus order
Jul 02 19:37:51 <nseidm1> angerrrrrrrrrrrr
Jul 02 19:37:55 <tomeo> Ahh! I had to put it on my Layout, not on the TextView :)
Jul 02 19:38:08 <g00s> mikedg i think google should hire you to head up their customer service dept
Jul 02 19:38:15 <nseidm1> +1
Jul 02 19:38:22 <g00s> mikedg on the front line
Jul 02 19:38:46 <kbs> They have a customer service dept?
Jul 02 19:38:51 <nseidm1> indeed
Jul 02 19:39:05 <g00s> i was going to buy a N7 but i just heard that like, hardly any of them still work
Jul 02 19:39:12 <kbs> I've always assumed that it was python scripts written in someone's 20% time
Jul 02 19:39:14 <nseidm1> https://support.google.com/googleplay/#topic=2953009&contact=1&ts=3006676,3013988,3038633
Jul 02 19:39:32 <g00s> was funny that the N7 was supposedly some flagship thing heh
Jul 02 19:39:40 <g00s> (so much for that)
Jul 02 19:40:01 <Mavrik> what the hell are you talking about O.o
Jul 02 19:40:02 <nseidm1> I have an original 8gb N7, still works great for dev
Jul 02 19:40:08 <evanc> g00s: I would love to see a citation for that.
Jul 02 19:40:14 <g00s> evanc hold on
Jul 02 19:40:50 <evanc> (specifically the "hardly any of them" claim)
Jul 02 19:41:50 <g00s> ah, k. well, i first heard things here: http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opinions/one-year-later-the-nexus-7-has-gone-from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/ … but this is just one guy. then i saw a video podcast where the speaker asked 6 owners if their n7 still worked, all said no  - i'll have to find that one.
Jul 02 19:42:19 <g00s> anecdotal i know
Jul 02 19:42:50 <ericsaboia> Hi there, can anyone tell me if put a viewPager inside a listview is a good way to swipe every row in the listview?
Jul 02 19:43:12 <ericsaboia> I mean, use viewpager as a row in listview
Jul 02 19:43:34 <Mavrik> g00s, so, you've seen a podcast.
Jul 02 19:43:48 <nseidm1> ericsaboia: that's not gonna work out well
Jul 02 19:43:52 <g00s> yeah, ok. always seems to be the same problem. maybe bad flash
Jul 02 19:43:53 <Mavrik> and now N7's "hardly ever work" O.o
Jul 02 19:44:13 <g00s> maybe it was the original batch
Jul 02 19:44:16 <Mavrik> but yeah, initial units had a bad flash driver
Jul 02 19:44:36 <kbs> ericsaboia: I've used viewpagers inside gridviews. It needs a small bit of trickery to work-around some issues, but it's ok
Jul 02 19:45:10 <nseidm1> ViewPager is a fragment hoarder
Jul 02 19:45:24 <nseidm1> it loves to get attached and not let go
Jul 02 19:45:35 <evanc> g00s: so a sample size of 7 is now statistically significant for millions of units? noted.
Jul 02 19:45:36 <ericsaboia> I need to swipe every row with another collectio
Jul 02 19:45:48 <ericsaboia> *collection
Jul 02 19:45:49 <Mavrik> g00s, basically N7 has two issues: 1.) The initial flash driver didn't do TRIM so if you filled up your tablet then it's still running slowly
Jul 02 19:46:05 <screwsss> kbs: im in!
Jul 02 19:46:08 <Mavrik> 2.) The flash isn't overprovisioned so it starts running slowly when flash is about 75+% full
Jul 02 19:46:12 <ericsaboia> nseidm1: how should I do that?
Jul 02 19:46:30 <Mavrik> so yeah, it's a rather bad oversight from Asus… but most of them still work just fine :)
Jul 02 19:46:38 <g00s> ok, my bad
Jul 02 19:46:43 <Mavrik> hopefully new update will fix that
Jul 02 19:46:48 <g00s> i got cold feet after reading those reports
Jul 02 19:46:52 <nseidm1> ericsaboia: stick a ViewPager in the ListView and you'll see what happens :-)
Jul 02 19:47:01 <g00s> that did stop be from buying one
Jul 02 19:47:06 <Mavrik> mhm.
Jul 02 19:47:07 <ericsaboia> kbs: I don't know from where I can get the fragmentManage
Jul 02 19:47:08 <nseidm1> The ViewPagers will recycle, but the FragmentManager still has the frags
Jul 02 19:47:18 <ericsaboia> need to initialize my FragmentStatePagerAdapter
Jul 02 19:47:20 <Mavrik> on the other hand, it's still a 180-200$ unit :)
Jul 02 19:47:31 <g00s> but its also over a year old
Jul 02 19:47:36 <g00s> where the fuck is the update
Jul 02 19:48:02 <ericsaboia> nseidm1: I'm trying...with no success
Jul 02 19:48:02 <kbs> ericsaboia: wait. ViewPagers don't *have* to work with fragments. Maybe I don't exactly understand what you want to do. I assume you just want to flip through some views in your list view (rather like the mailbox app).
Jul 02 19:48:56 <Mavrik> while we're at it… any really good 10" thing out lately?
Jul 02 19:49:09 <mikedg> g00s: i can confirm the nexus 7 runs like shit
Jul 02 19:49:15 <mikedg> it used to be amazing
Jul 02 19:49:38 <nseidm1> but you hate all devices mannnnnnnnn
Jul 02 19:49:51 <ericsaboia> kbs: exactly, but I need to flip through collection inside each ListView row
Jul 02 19:50:03 <defuera> hi all, I'm trying to connect a server via HttpsUrlConnection and I do connect successfully within Java Aplet, but the same code in adndriod project returns Error 400: Bad request. Any ideas what might be the problem?
Jul 02 19:50:35 <Mavrik> defuera, what does your server log say?
Jul 02 19:50:36 <nseidm1> does your hostname has an underscore in it?
Jul 02 19:51:39 <defuera> it's remote one, I tried to follow the TCP traffic with wireshark but I failed cause it's SSL
Jul 02 19:52:22 <kbs> ericsaboia: yeah. What I've done is implement a PagerAdapter, and associate it with the ViewPager (one per row -- or in my case, one per tile in my GridView)
Jul 02 19:52:24 <defuera> no the hostname is https://api.twitter.com/1.1/search/tweets.json?q=%40twitterapi
Jul 02 19:52:57 <kbs> ericsaboia: There's a bit of funkiness with the mouse-handling. The listview will trap any vertical mouse movement, so it'll reset the sideways swipe within the viewpager
Jul 02 19:53:34 <TacticalJoke> Elipse is so ugly.
Jul 02 19:53:36 <TacticalJoke> Eclipse*
Jul 02 19:53:49 <Mavrik> defuera, are you by any chance forgetting to pass content-type or something like that?
Jul 02 19:54:02 <kbs> ericsaboia: to deal with that -- I use onIntenceptTouchEvent() on a subclassed GridView (in your case, a subclassed ListView) to discard events appropriately
Jul 02 19:54:22 <SimonVT> kbs: Protip, call disallowInterceptTouchEvent on your gridview when the viewpager starts dragging
Jul 02 19:54:38 <kbs> SimonVT: aah -- that's a much better approach. Thanks
Jul 02 19:54:40 <kjeldahl> It's live. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.kjeldahl.tournman . Thanks to everybody helping me getting it in shape; you know who you are.
Jul 02 19:55:02 <defuera> it's the same code as in java applet, and it works there and I get my JSON file. when I copy that code to android application it's not working anymore
Jul 02 19:55:40 <defuera> returning Error 400: Bad request. it makes me sad
Jul 02 19:55:56 <defuera> freaking me out a little bit...
Jul 02 19:56:49 <ericsaboia> kbs: can u send me a code snippet from that?
Jul 02 19:56:59 <TacticalJoke> And Eclipse uses tabs by default!
Jul 02 19:57:03 <TacticalJoke> What were they thinking!
Jul 02 19:58:21 <kbs> ericsaboia: This is the code I'm using - https://gist.github.com/kbsriram/acb7ba697c96f3bfd2a3 - but SimonVT had a simpler approach - you might want to take that advice into account as well.
Jul 02 20:03:42 <kbs> tabs in eclipse is one of the most annoying things about reading other people's eclipse-written code...
Jul 02 20:04:52 <kbs> then again, everyone hates my 'emacs-gnu-style' default indentation, so fair's fair
Jul 02 20:05:00 <ericsaboia> this is a example of what I'm trying to do: http://youtu.be/I_6gDcxlVyY?t=2m10s
Jul 02 20:08:17 <screwsss> kbs's method got me back *some* sms's (namely sent ones) so you can stick that in ur pipe naysayers
Jul 02 20:11:56 <RyanM> is there a sane way to access the values in https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/res/res/values/dimens.xml either programmatically or via XML
Jul 02 20:12:06 <RyanM> XML would be preferred
Jul 02 20:12:51 <RyanM> (side note to head this solution off: going through all the values directories in AOSP and copying the items I need into the project doesn't count as sane)
Jul 02 20:12:54 <JesusFreke> @android:dimen/thumbnail_width should work
Jul 02 20:13:07 <JesusFreke> I think
Jul 02 20:13:38 <RyanM> suppose I need one other than the 7 listed in: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.dimen.html
Jul 02 20:14:11 <RyanM> (I'm pretty sure that will work; unfortunately, the one I'm after is action_bar_default_height)
Jul 02 20:14:16 <JesusFreke> ah, yeah
Jul 02 20:14:20 <JesusFreke> for non-public ones, hmm
Jul 02 20:14:28 <JesusFreke> You're probably better off copying them
Jul 02 20:14:30 <SimonVT> ?android:attr/actionBarSize
Jul 02 20:14:40 <JesusFreke> since there are no guarantees that it will be present, etc.
Jul 02 20:17:10 <RyanM> SimonVT: That looks promising...any way by any chance to do a fallback in the same XML file to the ABS value, or would the best practice be to simply define it with an API 14 resource qualifier?
Jul 02 20:17:44 <RyanM> actually I think that's the way to go anyway, since it'll be there for 11-13 but not used.
Jul 02 20:18:10 <SimonVT> Use ?attr/actionBarSize <ICS
Jul 02 20:18:26 <SimonVT> Alternatively, always use the non-android one and set it on ics+ to the android: one
Jul 02 20:18:34 <JakeWharton> I made sure that one would work on all API levels.
Jul 02 20:18:35 <SimonVT> Not sure if ABS does that, it might
Jul 02 20:18:41 <SimonVT> There you go
Jul 02 20:18:46 <JakeWharton> Since it's so useful
Jul 02 20:19:07 <Flaiker> So I still have the problem of getting i/o: internal server error on http get on a certain url. Does anyone have an idea how to fix that? Url works fine in chrome
Jul 02 20:19:32 <RyanM> JakeWharton: so it's safe to use ?attr/actionBarSize in all cases?
Jul 02 20:19:51 <JakeWharton> RyanM: yes. Until you get rid of ActionBarSherlock
Jul 02 20:20:30 <RyanM> JakeWharton / SimonVT : Thanks!
Jul 02 20:21:31 <SimonVT> JakeWharton: I don't think you set it to ?android:attr/actionBarSize
Jul 02 20:22:10 <mikedg> fuck this im just canceled my nexus order
Jul 02 20:22:38 <SimonVT> Or rather, you don't set it to
Jul 02 20:22:43 <SimonVT> Except on DarkActionBar
Jul 02 20:23:00 <SimonVT> It's always set on the other themes tho, just to the ABS-defined values
Jul 02 20:23:25 <SimonVT> Prooobably wont cause issues tho
Jul 02 20:23:40 <nseidm1> mikedg: noooooooooooo
Jul 02 20:24:13 <nseidm1> you need a good Cider
Jul 02 20:24:44 <RyanM> yeah I think the ABS-defined values are all the same as the framework.  Only case where you'd get in trouble is if an OEM changed it...
Jul 02 20:25:11 <SimonVT> Or if future platforms change the value
Jul 02 20:25:44 <RyanM> That's true.  I could just define it in the application theme with <item name="actionBarSize">?android:attr/actionBarSize</item>
Jul 02 20:25:55 <mikedg> i need $300 free so i dont feel like im wasting money getting an s4
Jul 02 20:26:08 <evanc> mikedg: just sell a copy of I Am Richer
Jul 02 20:37:17 <nseidm1> full retail everything ftw
Jul 02 20:39:33 <nseidm1> Of all my phones my fav is the DNA
Jul 02 20:46:53 <viran> hey, anyoe noticed the "Marketing opt-out" option in google play?
Jul 02 20:47:12 <viran> "Do not promote my application except in Google Play and in any Google-owned online or mobile properties. I understand that any changes to this preference may take sixty days to take effect."
Jul 02 20:51:00 <ShadyNastys> When using ViewGroup.addView() the params are a view and params for a layout.  Is the layout params the location that the view will be inserted into? like when adding a fragment to a view ?
Jul 02 20:57:30 <SirSkitzo> Anyone mind looking over a PhotoTaking class and helping me find where I am going wrong? When I do camera.takePicture(null, null, callback); it throws a RuntimeException before it calls the callback and I can't figure out why. LogCat shows error 1001. From what I've read this happens to select phones? (My breakpoint is never hit in the callback when debugging) http://pastebin.com/m5eq3HWJ
Jul 02 21:00:11 <TacticalJoke> Okay, so I'm a total Android newbie.  I am making an app that I will use and that I may release.  What should I use for package names?  I don't wanna use my real name, and I don't have a website.
Jul 02 21:00:32 <billybigrigger> pick something that someone else wont use
Jul 02 21:01:15 <JesusFreke> joke.tactical.AwesomeAppName
Jul 02 21:01:18 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jul 02 21:01:21 <TacticalJoke> Good idea.
Jul 02 21:02:46 <TacticalJoke> Do you all use your real names?
Jul 02 21:02:52 <evanc> JesusFreke: except .toLowerCase() that
Jul 02 21:03:25 <JesusFreke> evanc: oh, right. they have to be lowercase, don't they?
Jul 02 21:03:31 <evanc> JesusFreke: don't have to be, no
Jul 02 21:03:36 <JesusFreke> do they not?
Jul 02 21:03:38 <evanc> but they conventionally are
Jul 02 21:03:58 <JesusFreke> ah, right. my package name for Penroser isn't.
Jul 02 21:04:03 <evanc> JesusFreke: remember this game? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Game.Stroids
Jul 02 21:04:05 <kjeldahl> The idea is to use something unique. If you own a domain, that's pretty much guaranteed to be unique, and is often used (e.g. I own kjeldahl.net, so I use net.kjeldahl.someappname). But it can be more or less anything.
Jul 02 21:04:08 <evanc> and yeah, penroser
Jul 02 21:04:52 <defuera> hey guys, where should I post the code?
Jul 02 21:05:11 <TacticalJoke> Okay
Jul 02 21:05:13 <TacticalJoke> .
Jul 02 21:05:15 <evanc> defuera: pastebin.com
Jul 02 21:05:21 <TacticalJoke> I guess I don't really need to use "com.".
Jul 02 21:05:31 <TacticalJoke> It could be "<anything>.", I suppose.
Jul 02 21:05:37 <TacticalJoke> Within reason.
Jul 02 21:05:42 <defuera> evanc, thax mate
Jul 02 21:06:54 <kbs> pgp_<fingerprint>.appname might have been an interesting approach
Jul 02 21:07:33 <TacticalJoke> What happens if my package name is already taken by another app on the device?  I guess it won't install?
Jul 02 21:07:42 <Sicp> I've got this app that in one of its tabs loads a page inside a webview; I want to know which page it's hitting
Jul 02 21:07:45 <Sicp> any ideas?
Jul 02 21:07:51 <xorgate> TacticalJoke indeed
Jul 02 21:07:56 <TacticalJoke> Okay
Jul 02 21:07:57 <TacticalJoke> .
Jul 02 21:08:27 <xorgate> TacticalJoke specifically, it will say the key it was signed with is different
Jul 02 21:08:32 <SirSkitzo> Anyone mind looking over a PhotoTaking class and helping me find where I am going wrong? When I do camera.takePicture(null, null, callback); it throws a RuntimeException before it calls the callback and I can't figure out why. LogCat shows error 1001. From what I've read this happens to select phones? (My breakpoint is never hit in the callback when debugging) http://pastebin.com/m5eq3HWJ
Jul 02 21:08:33 <shmooz> it should warn and give the option to replace
Jul 02 21:08:34 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jul 02 21:08:34 <TacticalJoke> THanks.
Jul 02 21:08:36 <TacticalJoke> Thanks*
Jul 02 21:09:26 <evanc> SirSkitzo: paste your stacktrace
Jul 02 21:09:45 <evanc> SirSkitzo: logcat will show you the whole thing; Error 1001 doesn't really help much
Jul 02 21:10:49 <number-7> i have an emulator running and i click run as application in eclipse, nothing happens
Jul 02 21:10:52 <xorgate> maybe it cant use the private callback
Jul 02 21:12:09 <SirSkitzo> Alright, one moment
Jul 02 21:13:34 <defuera> well i would appreciate any help. this is the wierdest problem I met. http://pastebin.com/Ze1dw9Qu this thread is fully works and returns json file when I build it in Java applet. But when i run it in Android App server returns Error 400 Bad request. What could it be? should I encrypt a host or bearerToken in a specific way to be able to run it in Android?
Jul 02 21:15:36 <speakingcode-wor> how can you set which view in a layout has focus?
Jul 02 21:16:17 <evanc> defuera: isn't all of that stuff (like Authorization) supposed to be a header, not a request property?
Jul 02 21:17:16 <defuera> well as I pointed it's working in java app, coult it be a problem in Android thou?
Jul 02 21:17:24 <kbs> yes, and headers are request properties as far as java is concerned....
Jul 02 21:17:33 <SirSkitzo> @evanc: Here is the stacktrace: http://pastebin.com/5WdavbRk
Jul 02 21:18:25 <defuera> so... is it gonna be connection.setHeader or something
Jul 02 21:18:28 <kbs> defuera: well, occam's razor would be that the token is invalid -- have you further parsed the json object to find out the actual error coming back from triwwer?
Jul 02 21:18:42 <kbs> *twitter, even
Jul 02 21:19:29 <defuera> it's ssl protocol so the only thing I get is server response code: 400 Bad request
Jul 02 21:19:55 <kbs> grab the body of the response and parse it as well. Twitter returns 400 for auth failures too -- which is dumb, but there it is...
Jul 02 21:20:19 <kbs> I think you'll need to getErrorStream() rather than getInputStream() for non-200 responses
Jul 02 21:20:48 <defuera> ok, I'll try it
Jul 02 21:22:02 <SirSkitzo> @evanc: I just read an article that says W/System.err(14038) may be a parse error in the maifest file. Think that might be the case? http://pcsupport.about.com/od/findbyerrormessage/tp/system_error_codes_14000_14099.03.htm
Jul 02 21:22:07 <SirSkitzo> I'll go ahead and scope it out
Jul 02 21:22:29 <S7sRuss> Hey =) How i can update a list in fragment after receive a notification in background?
Jul 02 21:23:43 <JakeWharton> post to the main thread, update the apdater's data, call notifyDataSetChanged
Jul 02 21:24:19 <S7sRuss> JakeWharton: apdater?
Jul 02 21:24:28 <JakeWharton> adapter
Jul 02 21:24:46 <S7sRuss> JakeWharton: Thanks =)
Jul 02 21:25:56 <number-7> this is my screenshot: http://www.nascarchat.org/eclipse.png , what am i doing wrong?
Jul 02 21:25:58 <speakingcode-wor> haha
Jul 02 21:26:03 <speakingcode-wor> apdater, i like that
Jul 02 21:27:46 <okamis_> i have a autoCompleteTextView, when I press an item given by the alternativeList ACTV fills its TextView with the items.toString value, where do I override that?
Jul 02 21:27:56 <SirSkitzo> @evanc: I'm not seeing any parse errors, weird :/
Jul 02 21:30:19 <defuera> kbs, hey you were right I got the ErrorsStream and it says following:{"errors":[{"code":86,"message":"This method requires a GET"}]}
Jul 02 21:30:56 <defuera> so it appear I'm not mentioning the method right way..
Jul 02 21:31:21 <defuera> connection.setRequestMethod("GET"); is not workin it says..
Jul 02 21:31:45 <kbs> defuera: ah. So, I have a feeling that your setDoInput() is causing it to submit a POST, regardless of your subsequent setRequestMethod()
Jul 02 21:32:08 <kbs> my suggestion -- since you just need a GET, remove the setDoIn/Output as well as the setRequestMethod()
Jul 02 21:32:28 <kbs> it should default to the right things, and it should also work in your regular oracle-approved runtime as well
Jul 02 21:33:19 <kbs> You should just need the user-agent and authorization parameters, pretty much
Jul 02 21:33:35 <kbs> well... you can skip the user-agent too, since you're faking it anyway :-)
Jul 02 21:33:57 <defuera> i love you
Jul 02 21:34:14 <defuera> thank you so much.
Jul 02 21:34:24 <defuera> -
Jul 02 21:34:26 <defuera> -)
Jul 02 21:34:31 <kbs> And I wish I were a few decades younger :-) good luck
Jul 02 21:35:25 <defuera> good luck and have a good day/night everybody
Jul 02 21:36:38 <ExEcUtIvE> hello, anyone with s4 or htc one?
Jul 02 21:39:50 <TacticalJoke> I have an idea for a package name:  org.bitbucket.myprojectname
Jul 02 21:41:15 <g00s> what happens when you migrate way from bitbucket ?
Jul 02 21:41:31 <evanc> TacticalJoke: don't do that unless this is a bitbucket project (i.e. they're paying you for it)
Jul 02 21:41:44 <TacticalJoke> evanc:  Why?
Jul 02 21:41:46 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  True.
Jul 02 21:42:30 <TacticalJoke> Can I change my package name at a later time, by the way?  Using Eclipse.
Jul 02 21:42:33 <evanc> TacticalJoke: because org.bitbucket. implies that it's a project affiliated with them. Your only affiliation is that you're storing your code there.
Jul 02 21:42:36 <tomeo> I want to make a dialpad where the buttons always cover the entire screen. What is my best bet for a ViewGroup? TableView, GridLayout?
Jul 02 21:42:42 <nseidm1> TacticalJoke: nope
Jul 02 21:42:43 <evanc> TacticalJoke: not once you publish the app
Jul 02 21:42:53 <SimonVT> Just buy a domain.. It's cheap
Jul 02 21:42:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  But I guess I can before publishing?
Jul 02 21:42:58 <evanc> TacticalJoke: yes
Jul 02 21:43:00 <TacticalJoke> K.
Jul 02 21:43:41 <Qix> TacticalJoke, that doesn't mean other packages can't change. However, the package you upload/publish with is the one you're stuck with.
Jul 02 21:43:49 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jul 02 21:43:56 <Qix> Supporting code can always change.
Jul 02 21:44:31 <TacticalJoke> Thanks, all.
Jul 02 21:45:50 <StingRay_> tomeo: depends on design
Jul 02 21:46:06 <tomeo> StingRay_: gui-design or code design?
Jul 02 21:46:13 <StingRay_> gui-design
Jul 02 21:46:19 <StingRay_> as to what is the best choice
Jul 02 21:46:27 <BenOrnstin> If I have two different versions of the same app, each with different distribution purposes (i.e., one with everything unlocked being sent to a specific company as opposed to the more general userbase), should I use two seperate keys?
Jul 02 21:46:30 <StingRay_> off hand a grid, but like I say, depends
Jul 02 21:46:39 <tomeo> StingRay_: thanks
Jul 02 21:46:59 <StingRay_> if a design requirement is to have overlaps, anims beyond view bounds etc….grid sux
Jul 02 21:47:38 <tomeo> kbs: btw, I solved the problem I had yesterday by rewriting my view so that it extended LinearLayout and then used XML for everything.
Jul 02 21:48:04 <tomeo> StingRay_: so as long as I just want a grid of pictures I will be fine then! thanks
Jul 02 21:50:56 <kenalex> hello
Jul 02 21:51:12 <new-to-this> hi
Jul 02 21:51:40 <rved> i can't convert a blob to string :( any clues? http://paste2.org/YaDCE5zN
Jul 02 21:51:53 <kenalex> is it possible to allow one broadcast receiver to receing an incoming message instead of having it being picked up by the messaging application on the phone ?
Jul 02 21:51:58 <rved> error = unable to convert blob to string
Jul 02 21:52:43 <new-to-this> what is your code?
Jul 02 21:52:56 <new-to-this> string=blob; ?
Jul 02 21:52:59 <evanc> rved: wait, you're trying to turn an image into a string?
Jul 02 21:53:30 <rved> yes, and store it in SQLite
Jul 02 21:53:43 <rved> http://www.androidhub4you.com/2012/09/hello-friends-today-i-am-going-to-share.html
Jul 02 21:54:17 <rved> if you search "// convert bitmap to byte"
Jul 02 21:54:23 <rved> you'll find the example
Jul 02 21:55:02 <S7sRuss_> rved: or convert to base64
Jul 02 21:56:47 <S7sRuss_> rved: http://paste2.org/FhC4WHza
Jul 02 21:57:26 <rved> ty, ill give it a try
Jul 02 22:00:18 <rved> S7sRuss_ still the same error
Jul 02 22:00:22 <rved> even with base64
Jul 02 22:00:28 <rved> is it somewhere else in the code?\
Jul 02 22:01:54 <dospod> http://codepad.org/6w8Phh2K I'm having an error inflating class android.widget.RelativeLayout , can anybody check my xml file in the link and see if I messed something up?!?
Jul 02 22:03:51 <nseidm1> dospod: looks fine to me, clean build
Jul 02 22:06:07 <Valken> Hi everybody
Jul 02 22:06:08 <dospod> ahhh I wonder what It could be, this is my first time using an sdk, I'm used to simple scripting and small c++ stuff
Jul 02 22:08:29 <kbs> tomeo: nice -- sounds good :-)
Jul 02 22:08:41 <mikedg> fuck the playstore, cant even cancel my order
Jul 02 22:10:35 <nseidm1> mike mann, give a call: https://support.google.com/googleplay/#topic=2953009&contact=1&ts=3006676,3013988,3038633
Jul 02 22:16:09 <g00s> cool, gradle 1.7 will supposedly be much faster
Jul 02 22:16:24 <mikedg> i did
Jul 02 22:16:32 <mikedg> i called those stupid fucks twice today
Jul 02 22:16:37 <billybigrigger> up
Jul 02 22:17:33 <mikedg> my order may or may not be getting canceled they dont know
Jul 02 22:18:19 <mikedg> so someone mentioned no BT tethering on the stock s4
Jul 02 22:18:19 <mikedg> wtf
Jul 02 22:19:30 <nseidm1> may or may not, that's crazy
Jul 02 22:19:31 <mikedg> this is why people buy iphones
Jul 02 22:19:35 <g00s> is BT a good bet for tethering?
Jul 02 22:19:40 <Valken> is there a nice tutorial on how to use the interface "builder" tool for android? I am lost with the placing of objects.
Jul 02 22:19:41 <g00s> i'm skeptical
Jul 02 22:19:56 <evanc> g00s: BT tethering has worked well for me
Jul 02 22:20:08 <evanc> much better than wifi tethering (much less of a power suck)
Jul 02 22:20:16 <g00s> really? wow
Jul 02 22:20:29 <g00s> but what about speed ?
Jul 02 22:20:30 <S7sRuss_> rved: what's type of column where store images?
Jul 02 22:20:32 <evanc> yeah, give it a shot
Jul 02 22:20:34 <mikedg> yeah bt tether is great
Jul 02 22:20:50 <mikedg> wifi tether makes a mess with glass
Jul 02 22:20:51 <evanc> g00s: meh, fine. It's not like I tether to get FiOS speeds anyway, so I've never really paid attention
Jul 02 22:21:10 <rved> BLOB
Jul 02 22:21:19 <rved> i think i made a mistake here:
Jul 02 22:21:51 <rved> http://paste2.org/XY4ehAmE
Jul 02 22:22:03 <rved> i set the value's in the brackets
Jul 02 22:22:13 <rved> (1) (2) (3)
Jul 02 22:23:02 <rved> in the example http://www.androidhub4you.com/2012/09/hello-friends-today-i-am-going-to-share.html they say Contact contact = new Contact(Integer.parseInt(cursor.getString(0)),
Jul 02 22:23:03 <rved> cursor.getString(1), cursor.getBlob(1));
Jul 02 22:23:36 <S7sRuss_> in base64 i use large text
Jul 02 22:24:42 <S7sRuss_> oops
Jul 02 22:24:46 <S7sRuss_> only text type
Jul 02 22:25:14 <S7sRuss_> using less than 400x400 in jpeg format i can store imagens in text field
Jul 02 22:25:18 <S7sRuss_> using base64
Jul 02 22:26:56 <S7sRuss_> rved, where are you from?
Jul 02 22:27:01 <rved> Holland
Jul 02 22:27:35 <rved> i think i screwed up with the number in the brackets, i changed it, and now i see an image, although very large, i don't get the error anymore
Jul 02 22:43:20 <pfn> so, can the vzw s4 be used on any gsm network, domestically?
Jul 02 22:45:30 <p_l> doubtful
Jul 02 22:47:05 <pfn> no one really cares to do that, though...
Jul 02 22:47:12 <pfn> so there's not much info online about it
Jul 02 22:48:28 <pfn> I'm just curious, mostly
Jul 02 22:52:58 <dospod> can somebody help me interupt my log cat message
Jul 02 22:54:42 <pfn> interesting, idea's logcat view sucks compared to eclipse/ddms/monitor
Jul 02 22:54:49 <pfn> can't filter by app
Jul 02 22:54:57 <icetooth> great, timer resolution is device independant ....
Jul 02 22:54:58 <icetooth> wtf
Jul 02 22:56:44 <p_l> which timer, and what do you want to do?
Jul 02 22:57:37 <dospod> http://codepad.org/EiL1iGiF
Jul 02 23:02:46 <evanc> dospod: your XML layout is going to be necessary here. Alternatively, what resource does 0x7f040000 map to? (Check R.java)
Jul 02 23:04:36 <dospod> http://codepad.org/BySCWKPR <- xml file
Jul 02 23:04:51 <evanc> android:background="@string/black"
Jul 02 23:04:59 <evanc> ^ don't do that
Jul 02 23:05:03 <S7sRuss_> how i update a adapter via services?
Jul 02 23:05:08 <S7sRuss_> *refresh
Jul 02 23:05:13 <dospod> we we're told in class to do that :/
Jul 02 23:05:41 <evanc> dospod: that's not right. Why are you trying to set the background (a color or drawable) to be a string? What are you expecting to happen?
Jul 02 23:05:50 <nseidm1> use @color
Jul 02 23:05:51 <evanc> I suspect you're looking for @android:color/black
Jul 02 23:06:06 <dospod> the string holds a hex value
Jul 02 23:06:19 <evanc> dospod: don't do that. You need a color resource.
Jul 02 23:06:32 <evanc> dospod: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/more-resources.html#Color
Jul 02 23:06:37 <dospod> and the resource goes back to final int black
Jul 02 23:07:07 <dospod> ah okay so make a color xml file and use that instead of strings.xml?
Jul 02 23:07:08 <evanc> dospod: disregard what you learned in class, then read that link :)
Jul 02 23:07:10 <g00s> pfn yeah; my hack was to create a utility function that appended g00s: to Tag t = … getSimpleClassName(), and then filter by g00s
Jul 02 23:07:11 <evanc> yes
Jul 02 23:07:17 <dospod> awesome !
Jul 02 23:07:36 <evanc> also, tell your teacher they're wrong :P
Jul 02 23:08:33 <dospod> I'd rather not lol this was supposed to be yesterday but I took a 4 day vacation for my 21st in vegas so I'm glad he's letting me turn it in late
Jul 02 23:08:42 <pfn> g00s, yeah, my answer is to just use monitor
Jul 02 23:13:11 <S7sRuss_> Hey... How i can update a fragment after receive a notification in background?
Jul 02 23:13:49 <S7sRuss_> The notification is received for separated class called GCMBroadcast
Jul 02 23:14:10 <S7sRuss_> thats implements a broadcastreceiver
Jul 02 23:14:20 <g00s> does AS have a better logcat view ?
Jul 02 23:14:57 <pfn> S7sRuss_, send another broadcast, this time targeted toward your activity which has registered its own receiver
Jul 02 23:15:21 <pfn> and if you detect that your activity is not running, send a notification instead, if it makes sense
Jul 02 23:15:36 <S7sRuss_> My activity extends a sherlockactivity
Jul 02 23:15:46 <pfn> so?
Jul 02 23:15:50 <S7sRuss_> one class cannot extends multipls classes =/
Jul 02 23:15:56 <pfn> so?
Jul 02 23:16:10 <pfn> learn the difference between is-a and has-a relationships
Jul 02 23:16:27 <S7sRuss_> In chatActivity, how i extends sherlock and broadcastreceiver?
Jul 02 23:16:31 <pfn> idea is finally getting setup to how I like it, I will loathe having to re-set it again
Jul 02 23:16:34 <pfn> S7sRuss_, you don't
Jul 02 23:17:21 <S7sRuss_> okay... the question is... how i implement a receiver in activity?
Jul 02 23:22:34 <RyanM> S7sRuss_: you could write an inner class that you register as a broadcastreceiver that calls methods on your activity
Jul 02 23:25:52 <S7sRuss_> As it: http://inchoo.net/mobile-development/android-development/broadcast-receiver-from-activity/
Jul 02 23:25:53 <S7sRuss_> ?
Jul 02 23:26:32 <RyanM> S7sRuss_: yep!
Jul 02 23:32:48 <dospod> yay I fix my problem , resize some ImageViews and now It won't run again -_-
Jul 02 23:37:47 <TacticalJoke> What do y'all think about the whole mField naming convention?
Jul 02 23:37:53 <pfn> I personally dislike it
Jul 02 23:38:05 <TacticalJoke> Do you just say 'field'?
Jul 02 23:38:11 <pfn> #1, for the vast majority of developers, they'll be in an IDE
Jul 02 23:38:20 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jul 02 23:38:22 <pfn> #2, for those of us that don't use IDEs, it don't friggin' matter either
Jul 02 23:38:49 <TacticalJoke> Ya.  Anyone who knows what they're doing uses short methods, meaning that it's obvious even outside of an IDE.
Jul 02 23:40:34 <kbs> The main use I find for mXXX, is that it's very helpful when debugging threaded code. Can immediately remove (or focus on) the potential issues
Jul 02 23:40:56 <pfn> still not so useful
Jul 02 23:41:06 <pfn> again, your ide will show that it's a member vs. static vs. local
Jul 02 23:42:02 <kbs> that assumes many things (and not least what my ide is :-) but -- different strokes for different people. When looking (printout,email, whatever) at a chunk of code -- being able to visually quickly isolate problems is pretty helpful or me anyway
Jul 02 23:42:23 <TacticalJoke> kbs:  But is it even an issue with short methods?
Jul 02 23:42:47 <kbs> TacticalJoke: not so much -- but not all people do that unfortunately
Jul 02 23:45:41 <Thorbear> isn't the mXXX and sXXX things meant mainly for the android sourcecode itself anyway so that it is easily readable for developers interfacing with it? I never thought of it as an actual guideline for app development
Jul 02 23:47:07 <Thorbear> it does make the code on github more readable, same with the snippets on the developer pages, where you won't need the whole class definition to know where the various variables are stored
Jul 02 23:47:24 <kbs> yep -- preaching to the choir, as far as I'm concerned anyway :-)
Jul 02 23:52:05 <g00s> i haven't seen mXXX used anywhere in modern code except for android
Jul 02 23:52:10 <g00s> what do you guys do then :|
Jul 02 23:52:24 <funkbox> i always go with mBlaBla
Jul 02 23:52:38 <kbs> I think the mXXX comes from the windows world -- we've been using it since 1999 at least, back in my last startup ;-)
Jul 02 23:52:45 <g00s> yeah, like hWnd
Jul 02 23:53:05 <p_l> that's systems hungarian and it's icky
Jul 02 23:53:10 <p_l> apps hungarian is fine :P
Jul 02 23:53:36 <kakazza> apps hungarian?
Jul 02 23:54:43 <TacticalJoke> I just use 'field'.
Jul 02 23:55:02 <TacticalJoke> Same convention as local var.
Jul 02 23:55:04 <TacticalJoke> vars.*
Jul 02 23:55:17 <p_l> kakazza: Apps Hungarian was the origin of hwnd etc, except instead of saying things like "handle", it would describe what the fuck the variable stored
Jul 02 23:55:50 <p_l> so you could quickly grok that no, passing a document in place of string is a bad idea
Jul 02 23:55:53 <funkbox> well hWnd means "handle Window.." m is different
Jul 02 23:56:06 <funkbox> mFoo is basically because this.foo is longer and doesn't work always
Jul 02 23:56:17 <funkbox> in C# i always do this.foo
Jul 02 23:56:38 <kbs> what p_l said -- it's a way to prevent accidental type mismatches in C code; I did that too when I had to suffer through C and X windows. good god, I jumped for joy when java turned up
Jul 02 23:56:39 <TacticalJoke> When does 'this.foo' not work?
Jul 02 23:56:56 <funkbox> TacticalJoke: anonymous classes, have to to MyStupidClass.this.foo
Jul 02 23:57:04 <TacticalJoke> Oh.
Jul 02 23:57:22 <g00s> anyone use chainsaw to view logcat output? looks cool http://www.flickr.com/photos/79551761@N00/4580226741/
Jul 02 23:57:52 <kbs> though more pragmatically, because 'foo' works in most places that 'this.foo' also works. the instant two people work on a code base, this.xx conventions fall apart, because it's not necessary in most contexts.
Jul 02 23:58:48 <kbs> thus, going back to having to scan through the code to identify where the instances are, making it more tedious to debug threaded code, et al... and did I mention that I have a special place in hell reserved for ides that use tabs for spacing? :-)
Jul 02 23:59:09 <TacticalJoke> You reserve places in Hell?
Jul 02 23:59:21 <kbs> priveleg reserved for those that have been there
Jul 02 23:59:38 <TacticalJoke> I can't believe that Eclipse uses tabulators for spacing by default.
Jul 02 23:59:39 * kbs checks the scar tissue and nods 
Jul 02 23:59:44 <TacticalJoke> Well, I can.
Jul 03 00:02:01 <g00s> TacticalJoke just go to prefs, search for tabs, and change
Jul 03 00:02:37 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jul 03 00:02:45 <TacticalJoke> But what a default.
Jul 03 00:04:50 <mikedg> xmen first class is fun
Jul 03 00:16:14 <ProgramMax> hey guys
Jul 03 00:16:21 <ProgramMax> got a question about textviews containing html
Jul 03 00:16:39 <ProgramMax> apparently, we can't just put the html in the xml file that defines the textview
Jul 03 00:16:49 <ProgramMax> can we put it in the string table and do that @string/blah thing?
Jul 03 00:17:13 <ProgramMax> Right now, we're programmatically setting it with Html.fromHtml("<a href='blah'>stuff</a>");
Jul 03 00:24:54 <tyoc213> if I have a "library" and I have a class and I want to add a call in a static initializer of the class "getApplicationContext()"
Jul 03 00:25:13 <tyoc213> how I can call it, if the lib is not an activity.... and it is outside
Jul 03 00:25:14 <tyoc213> Âż?
Jul 03 00:31:12 <RyanM> tyoc213: you can't - you need to find another way of getting the application context in order to do whatever it is you need to do.
Jul 03 00:31:50 <RyanM> look at overriding Application.onCreate if you really need to do things with a Context when your application launches.
Jul 03 00:32:16 <tyoc213> RyanM: thanks
Jul 03 00:32:35 <Afzal> So I'm trying my hand at including Google Analytics in my app today and it's downloadable from SDK manager. Does the SDK manager just download the jar and I have to copy it over still?
Jul 03 00:33:01 <RyanM> unrelated: okay, I'm a little stumped. anyone know anything that changed between 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 that could affect the background color of the action bar?
Jul 03 00:33:07 <Afzal> I was thinking maybe Google might have a Google Analytics app tracking SDK repository for gradle by now
Jul 03 00:46:07 <Afzal> Analytics noob here, do we include analytics.xml in a public repository or are we supposed to keep the trackingId secret?
Jul 03 00:49:00 <Brynjolf> Does this run Android? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCGqhShNnk
Jul 03 00:51:08 <Afzal> Brynjolf, is that even a question?
Jul 03 00:51:13 <Afzal> of course it does!
Jul 03 00:54:35 <CocoStorm> Hey guys, so on the contacts app, as soon as you open it, the keyboard shows up without even having to click on the edittext field.  How can I do the same?
Jul 03 00:54:57 <StingRay_> give something focus that requires it
Jul 03 00:55:06 <StingRay_> like a editText view
Jul 03 00:56:03 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, I've got an edit text view and it focuses on it when I open my app but the keyboard doesn't appear immediately like it does with the contacts app
Jul 03 00:56:33 <CocoStorm> (and click add contacts of course)
Jul 03 00:58:30 <Brynjolf> CocoStorm: did you try editText.requestFocus()
Jul 03 00:59:04 <CocoStorm> Brynjolf, ah not yet, will try that.  So that's what you meant StingRay_ my bad =p
Jul 03 00:59:16 <StingRay_> erm yeah
Jul 03 00:59:24 <StingRay_> or using xml tag
Jul 03 00:59:30 <StingRay_> </requestFocus>
Jul 03 00:59:44 <StingRay_> what did you think focus was?
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 03 01:02:05 2013
Jul 03 01:04:31 <CocoStorm> it didn't workk
Jul 03 01:04:40 <CocoStorm> just focuses on it without bringing out the keyboard
Jul 03 01:05:33 <StingRay_> then your probably countering it somewhere
Jul 03 01:05:35 <StingRay_> :)
Jul 03 01:06:41 <CocoStorm> StingRay_, hmm I'll check
Jul 03 01:12:26 <Afzal> I'm not finding an answer anywhere, do I keep my app analytics tracking ID secret or not?
Jul 03 01:24:56 <yanamar> hello
Jul 03 01:25:08 <yanamar> is someone here developping portable applications ?
Jul 03 01:25:23 <icetooth> i'm trying to
Jul 03 01:25:46 <yanamar> which framework are you using ?
Jul 03 01:25:48 <icetooth> right now i only have linux / android support
Jul 03 01:25:55 <icetooth> native-activity
Jul 03 01:26:07 <icetooth> native app glue
Jul 03 01:26:26 <p_l> I used to have an app with a core written as native lib, with different GUIs
Jul 03 01:26:46 <yanamar> ok
Jul 03 01:27:02 <yanamar> basically that native-activity is android only
Jul 03 01:27:05 <icetooth> im just drawing opengl rects for my UI :\ its really crappy looking, haha
Jul 03 01:27:18 <yanamar> lol
Jul 03 01:28:02 <p_l> all depends on what you do
Jul 03 01:28:18 <icetooth> yanamar, i have different "main" cpp files i use for whatever platform that setup the rendering window and call generic input related functions
Jul 03 01:28:22 <p_l> in my case, I had a bunch of code that could easily be 100% same between all planned platforms
Jul 03 01:29:04 <p_l> with biggest issue being getting libcurl+libopenssl under android
Jul 03 01:29:30 <p_l> (the library was concentrated around crypto and network i/o, UI was pretty thin layer on top)
Jul 03 01:29:58 <yanamar> i see
Jul 03 01:30:38 <yanamar> do you know about those frameworks that are supposed to let you write the code once and they convert it for every platform ?
Jul 03 01:30:57 <p_l> on iOS and OSX the plan was to have single codebase for UI, a separate codebase for Windows (C# + WPF), Linux had QT iirc, etc.
Jul 03 01:31:03 <p_l> yanamar: I'm wary of them
Jul 03 01:31:13 <p_l> yanamar: usually you have to redo the UI anyway
Jul 03 01:32:14 <p_l> unless you want your application to have crappy user experience (there are exceptions, of course - games usually can get away with it, same for some specialized programs like special-purpose navigation tools where conforming to OS look&feel is a suicide)
Jul 03 01:33:14 <jayn> hey guys, i'm trying to understand the utility of .war files, can someone light up this please ?
Jul 03 01:33:27 <yanamar> ok thanks for advices
Jul 03 01:34:00 <p_l> jayn: they are the same as JARs
Jul 03 01:34:22 <jayn> can you explain more (sorry :/ )
Jul 03 01:34:48 <icetooth> yanamar, writing your own ui sucks, so if you need a good UI, stick with java and link to a JNI if you need c/c++ code support
Jul 03 01:35:25 <p_l> jayn: not exactly android thing, but basically a WAR is JAR file with certain extra structure and certain resources, used as packaging for Servlet Containers (Java webapp stuff)
Jul 03 01:35:35 <yanamar> what if i write all in html5 / css / javascript ?
Jul 03 01:35:36 <icetooth> but if you just need a button and some text, it isnt that much of a suicide mission
Jul 03 01:35:41 <yanamar> could this be the portable solution?
Jul 03 01:36:30 <p_l> yanamar: usually sucks the most
Jul 03 01:37:18 <yanamar> lol why ? :)
Jul 03 01:38:23 <uncreative1> i want an EditText that does the normal dictionary EditText completion and also "special word", "some other word" i tried using MultiAutoCompleteTextView but i can only get that to complete "special word", "some other word" and not normal text. any tips on how to do that?
Jul 03 01:38:50 <p_l> yanamar: usually doesn't fit *any* UI, is slow, and breaks UI flow with rest of the OS
Jul 03 02:10:03 <QbY> Layout Question:  I'm trying to create a layout like this: http://imgur.com/B2Wf4Vw (specifically the three rows at the top) what's the best way to accomplish such a layout?
Jul 03 02:12:13 <StingRay_> whats the source of the data ?
Jul 03 02:12:17 <StingRay_> that will fill them
Jul 03 02:12:18 <StingRay_> ?
Jul 03 02:13:46 <StingRay_> neways 90% likley listView
Jul 03 02:13:55 <StingRay_> likely*
Jul 03 02:15:05 <QbY> StingRay_: Oh..  Those text views are going to be populated with status data.  List View will allow me to have a big area at the bttom with other stuff?
Jul 03 02:15:42 <StingRay_> think you better go through the tutorials on UI stuff
Jul 03 02:23:59 <QbY> StingRay_: Any specific one?
Jul 03 02:25:12 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/ui-overview.html
Jul 03 02:25:19 <StingRay_> just all the getting started stuff
Jul 03 02:27:00 <yanamar> gn
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 03 02:59:57 2013