**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 01 02:59:59 2013 Sep 01 04:45:39 http://i.imgur.com/Z2lOrrj.gif Sep 01 05:21:10 Hello. Sep 01 05:21:45 Is this channel active? Sep 01 05:27:25 WolfAkela, نعم yes it's Sep 01 05:27:47 WolfAkela, looking for help? just shoot it out Sep 01 05:37:32 How do I build https://github.com/donnfelker/android-bootstrap with the target sdk 18? Sep 01 05:44:31 nm, got it working Sep 01 05:58:09 superlinux-hp, sorry I had to go out for a bit. I'm wondering how you do something like this: http://i.imgur.com/9mMtJL8.jpg Sep 01 05:58:22 just a sec Sep 01 05:58:49 this is a Listview Sep 01 05:58:50 I can do it fine if I'm just setting the title, but I can't figure out how to set the subtitle Sep 01 05:59:08 use ArrayAdapter Sep 01 05:59:33 and make a layout. Sep 01 06:00:05 same with spinner I have.. just a sec Sep 01 06:00:18 Aight. Sep 01 06:00:23 Yeah, it's how I made it so far. Sep 01 06:00:40 ah great then so you did. Sep 01 06:00:46 I created a layout with textviews, then used it with ArrayAdapter like this: http://pastebin.com/7WHXMHAj Sep 01 06:01:02 add the rest of views too Sep 01 06:01:06 it must work Sep 01 06:01:12 My problem is that I don't know how to say "set the R.id.text_subtitle too" Sep 01 06:01:57 shouldn't you have done a List<> object? Sep 01 06:03:01 ArrayAdapter(Context context, int resource, List objects) <---- this one? Sep 01 06:04:01 yes I think so Sep 01 06:04:34 Does that mean I have to insert the views via code instead of defining them on the XML? Sep 01 06:04:39 WolfAkela, cos this is how populate a spinner from a database Sep 01 06:05:39 someone knows how to handle onTouchEnd onMouseUp correctly with javascript? when i touch a element, and move my finger away no event for mouseUp or touchEnd gets fired ;( Sep 01 06:05:42 if you want the spinner items for example to wrap,you have to it in java and NOT XML Sep 01 06:07:16 superlinux-hp, thanks. I'll try it. brb Sep 01 06:08:10 WolfAkela, just try any of the adapters and see which works for you Sep 01 06:16:30 Using Akka on Android with ProGuard seems to be rather painful experience. Sep 01 06:18:00 +a Sep 01 06:28:57 how common is using maven with android development? Sep 01 06:30:13 or what should I use instead? Or is it best to just use eclipse? Sep 01 07:42:50 sqlite stores a date in UTC, is it possible to have it auto convert to localtime when using a content provider? Sep 01 07:43:49 "datetime("+Constants.COLUMN_TIME+", 'localtime')", worked when just reading straight from the db with a query but doesn't work when using a content provider link Sep 01 07:54:13 Mrono its usually best to jus store epoch time in db Sep 01 10:26:43 is there a better IDE for android dev than Eclipse? Sep 01 10:33:21 Android Studio / IntelliJ IDEA Sep 01 10:36:28 hm, is Android Studio ready?\ Sep 01 10:37:18 Still in beta, but it works Sep 01 10:37:21 also, C++ support seems rather incomplete. I have some errors that originate in boost libraries Sep 01 10:37:28 is there anything I can do? Sep 01 10:38:03 particularly, there is a problem with limits.h Sep 01 10:41:18 ooo ipv6 RustyShackleford Sep 01 10:44:14 Hi. Any idea why i get (sometimes) this error while showing a dialog? http://pastebin.com/B2LtRQ1Z Sep 01 11:10:04 hi.. how do I open a file when path starts with file://? Sep 01 11:12:29 Intent i = new Intent(); i.setAction(androic.content.Intent.ACTION_VIEW); i.setDataAndType(Uri.fromFile(yourfile), "datatype.."); startActivity(i); Sep 01 11:12:58 smth like that depending on the file you want to open (text, image, video, website, audio, whatever) Sep 01 11:51:21 what's the best way to learn android development? am using android studio but most tutorials are based on eclipse, and I've come across a few problems, haven't had much experience in Java so should I learn that first, or is it ok to learn java through android development? Sep 01 11:59:56 weendox: I started with eclipse Sep 01 12:00:08 just moved everything to android studio recently Sep 01 12:00:27 using eclipse at first was nice because all the tutorials were the same Sep 01 12:00:43 but as soon as you get a grasp of the basics you won't need to use a certain one Sep 01 12:01:35 Mrono yeah that's what I'm finding, no tutorials are using AS, mostly all eclipse Sep 01 12:02:14 yep Sep 01 12:02:19 though I didn't use any tutorials Sep 01 12:02:25 too impatient Sep 01 12:02:37 i usually rip out the code and try it on my own Sep 01 12:04:42 seems like so much to learn though haha Sep 01 12:04:50 i hardly have patience for tutorials either Sep 01 12:04:53 just wanna get into it Sep 01 12:04:56 but no idea what it all does Sep 01 12:07:31 yeah Sep 01 12:07:57 it's taken me a long time to finally get a grasp of it Sep 01 12:08:15 and i'm talking about giving up a few times and coming back to it months later Sep 01 12:09:34 yeah Sep 01 12:10:39 i'm only just now actually making good progress Sep 01 12:11:09 how long has it been for you? Sep 01 12:12:12 what is this error in android Sep 01 12:12:12 java.lang.NullPointerException Sep 01 12:12:12 ? Sep 01 12:12:47 bing give you many resources for that exception Sep 01 12:12:57 check Sep 01 12:13:28 shur: I know what it is in java. Sep 01 12:13:36 I dont have any error in my code now Sep 01 12:13:53 I only rename the project name Sep 01 12:15:45 check all settings files of the project and use "close" and "open" project, and "restart eclipse", fix mistakes, eventually will build ok Sep 01 12:16:25 sometimes projects from the internet are several years aged and must be heavily fixed Sep 01 12:18:07 shur: hah.. it is my own code Sep 01 12:19:05 I hate null pointer exceptions Sep 01 12:19:09 if you make project metadata, class names, etc. match, it builds ok Sep 01 12:19:16 weendox since what Sep 01 12:19:18 Hi. Any idea why i get (sometimes) this error while showing a dialog? http://pastebin.com/B2LtRQ1Z Sep 01 12:19:30 Mrono to get the hang of it Sep 01 12:19:58 mmm a year and a half? Sep 01 12:20:31 ok :) is that from no experience to making apps? Sep 01 12:20:31 but about 2 weeks ago I sat down and really dug into it, I was essentially starting fresh since it'd been so long since I gave up Sep 01 12:21:08 so far i've got a custom array adapter, content provider with sql database, GCM listener Sep 01 12:21:13 essentially Sep 01 12:23:46 ok cool :) Sep 01 12:31:22 shur: I cleared everything except setContentView(R.layout.activity_main); but still not working Sep 01 12:31:55 I also tried restarting eclipse and rebuilding Sep 01 12:41:46 Quick question, since I'm having a reeeeally hard time deciding on design and navigation pattern here, someone might give me a hand? Sep 01 12:42:28 Basically, the app I'm developing for myself has two major sections, a library and a marketplace. The marketplace is kinda self explained, has a search, some categories and what not. Sep 01 12:42:41 The library has several lists that I need to be able to switch between. Sep 01 12:42:54 Now I just can't think of a pattern that suites my needs as I want. Sep 01 12:44:18 At first I was going for a Navigation Tabs for switching between Library and Marketplace, and a Drop-down navigation to switch Listing in Library. But mixing these two seems kind of ... Messy Sep 01 12:44:51 I do like the Navigation Drawer though, but that seems a bit excessive for just two major functions in an entire app. Sep 01 13:16:31 shadej, null pointer exceptions are exactly the same as in java Sep 01 13:16:45 and they're the easiest ones to fix... Sep 01 13:17:12 the only reason to hate them is because you suck... Sep 01 13:17:16 pfn: yeah, but it was weired error Sep 01 13:17:37 it's never weird Sep 01 13:18:09 it was to mean the emulator was disconnected you suck now :[ Sep 01 13:19:15 disconnected emulator doesn't result in an npe in android Sep 01 13:19:28 you're being awfully shady and vague Sep 01 13:20:13 pfn: it was I fixed it by restaring the emulator Sep 01 13:20:50 so you say Sep 01 13:21:21 you never clearly showed the problem, so I can't believe you Sep 01 13:24:54 Does anyone know how to change a Text View? Sep 01 13:25:19 that's a wierd question. Sep 01 13:25:35 I've tried textview.setText("text"); Sep 01 13:25:40 but it doesn't change it Sep 01 13:25:56 sure it does. Sep 01 13:26:03 it just means you messed up something else :) Sep 01 13:26:19 Well, I tried textview.setText(string); Sep 01 13:26:26 Guessing I need a "" in front of the string? Sep 01 13:26:27 markyosullivan, It's probably not bound properly, setText() is the proper method for it. Could you verify that it's actually bound? Sep 01 13:26:46 markyosullivan, A "" in front of the string? Sep 01 13:26:51 When you say bound what you mean jonet Sep 01 13:26:59 Yeah, "" + string Sep 01 13:27:25 huh, this is not javascript :P Sep 01 13:27:30 My text view is originally £0.00, if I hit the calculate button, it changes Sep 01 13:27:45 However I'm trying to remove the button and have automatic calculations yet it's not working Sep 01 13:27:45 By bound I mean, did you retrieve the reference to the actual TextView accordingly? Most of the time that involves a findViewById(). Sep 01 13:28:16 Mavrik, However "" + string is a perfectly fine syntax, if the variable string is a string that is. Sep 01 13:28:20 Yep, initialised all the variables, one of the first things I checked Sep 01 13:28:46 But markyosullivan, if string is in fact the type of a String, then concatenating "" is quite redundant. Sep 01 13:28:50 just tried setText("text"); used a toast to check, toast = text, yet the Text View doesn't change Sep 01 13:28:50 jonet, it's still an ugly javascriptism for which I'll hit my devs any day ;) Sep 01 13:29:00 we have other methods of converting strings Sep 01 13:29:03 Mavrik, True. Sep 01 13:29:12 Can I use the ATT "basic" phone data through android? Sep 01 13:29:32 markyosullivan, It would really help if you posted the actual code instead of hinting what you're trying to achieve. Sep 01 13:29:34 markyosullivan: Did you forget what we discussed about asking smart questions? Sep 01 13:29:43 :/ Sep 01 13:29:55 And if you're going to post the code, _please_ post it as a gist! Sep 01 13:29:59 Okay, hold on I'll post the code and try to explain what I'm trying to achieve Sep 01 13:30:19 markyosullivan, https://gist.github.com/ Sep 01 13:30:27 Just in case you didn't know Sep 01 13:31:26 http://pastebin.com/u51DNb5L Sep 01 13:31:36 Always use pastebin, don't know why Sep 01 13:32:21 Okay, so the text view I'm looking to change is the Weekly Balance number called tBalanceNum Sep 01 13:33:10 it's set as £0.00 in the XML layout but I update it after doing a calculation (balance = income - expense) Sep 01 13:33:50 All of my code worked perfectly fine when I used a 'calculate' button which was essentially just the same code that I'm using atm Sep 01 13:34:29 So where are you calling it now then? Sep 01 13:34:52 I've converted the text view to a string called 'sBalanceText' which is compared to a string called 'sBalance' which contains the correct Balance amount Sep 01 13:35:05 Calling it onCreate SimonVT Sep 01 13:36:11 Because my Income and Expense values are imported, so everything I need to calculate the Weekly Balance is already there Sep 01 13:36:56 Your pastebin really isn't very useful, the only additional info is how you construct the string.. Sep 01 13:38:11 markyosullivan, Just what SimonVT said. You need to paste the entire Activity for us to understand exactly what matters. Sep 01 13:39:22 Also, _always_ use String.equals() when comparing strings. Using == when comparing two strings is to compare the actual reference, and I doubt they're the same strings so that will always return false. Sep 01 13:39:38 Maybe I should try that Sep 01 13:39:39 hold on Sep 01 13:40:01 I think I did have .equals originally Sep 01 13:40:06 but changed it because it wasn't working Sep 01 13:40:11 I really really doubt that, but yeah go ahead. And while you're at it, do post the entire Activity. Sep 01 13:40:37 Still not working Sep 01 13:40:42 http://pastebin.com/7eH6dXHL Sep 01 13:41:12 The thing is though, the toast is saying that the text view has the correct amount, but it hasn't changed on the display Sep 01 13:43:51 markyosullivan, What as it you're trying to achieve again? Sep 01 13:44:25 tBalanceNum to display a Weekly Balance num Sep 01 13:44:46 And you want that to happen as soon as you alter a TextField? Sep 01 13:44:58 Just on create Sep 01 13:45:18 Want it to calculate it as soon as the activity is opened Sep 01 13:45:41 You can see my old calculate button - cal.setOnClickListener Sep 01 13:46:13 You're resetting the text onResume again Sep 01 13:46:27 hello everyone! I have a question regarding GridView Sep 01 13:47:10 First, in onCreate you're setting the text accordingly, but then in onResume you're retrieving the previously stored balance from SharedPreferences and sets that instead. Even though you haven't saved anything in the preference. Sep 01 13:47:18 I have a GridView displaying ImageViews, and I would like to refresh only one of the items at a given time Sep 01 13:47:39 markyosullivan, Comment out line 211 - 213 and see if that makes a difference. Sep 01 13:48:18 shibakaneki, So get a reference to that item in your adapter and update it? Sep 01 13:48:42 that is what I am doing but it is not refreshing on the screen Sep 01 13:48:58 You need to notify the view that a change has occured in the adapter Sep 01 13:49:02 jonet: it works now :) Sep 01 13:49:10 markyosullivan, Good Sep 01 13:49:13 i see many examples on stackoverflow using notifyDataSetChanged Sep 01 13:49:23 So I don't need onResume()? Sep 01 13:49:27 Eh? Sep 01 13:50:17 Depends on what you want to do with the data, but I would probably just move the balance calculation to onResume. Sep 01 13:50:44 shibakaneki, Yes, that tells the view to refresh the loaded data. Sep 01 13:51:26 ugh, I can't import google api's into android studio Sep 01 13:51:42 it's so much better but it doesn't interface with google very well Sep 01 13:51:48 Mrono, Then you have a missconfiguration, mine works fine. Sep 01 13:51:58 thx Jonet, I will digg a bit around that Sep 01 13:51:59 Hello Sep 01 13:52:00 Any1 know about the Amazon apps store? I am trying to use the app store app and when I go to my apps it is blank(black). I want to be able to buy something on the computer when I see it without having to try and find it in the ap store Sep 01 13:52:26 Okay, will try it out now Sep 01 13:52:26 LLckfan, That has nothing to do with Android Development whatsoever. Sep 01 13:52:58 from a dev angle, is the Amazon app store identical to the Play store? Sep 01 13:53:38 packaging is the same, there aren't app store keys involved in limiting apps based on where they came from, etc. are there? Sep 01 13:54:30 and i guess the same question applies to apps on the cyanogen app store Sep 01 13:54:36 Oh wait, LLckfan did you mean "my apps" as in the applications you have published on Amazon? Sep 01 13:55:42 unrelated: are there forums that are more design oriented? i want to connect up with a designer or a forum Sep 01 13:55:51 NO Sep 01 13:56:00 as in the ones I have brought Sep 01 13:56:30 Then no, that is not related to Android Development and you'd be better of asking that question on any support forum that deals with Amazon App Store or similar. Sep 01 13:56:43 There is n one Sep 01 13:56:56 Do I need to use Fragment for ActionBar.onNavigationItemSelected()? Sep 01 13:57:42 Nope Sep 01 13:58:31 jonet: Big thanks for helping me with that :) Sep 01 13:58:41 markyosullivan, No worries. Sep 01 13:58:57 and big thanks to everyone else who has helped, pretty sure my app is basically ready to be tested one last time before Beta release :) Sep 01 13:59:09 *alpha tested before beta Sep 01 13:59:25 markyosullivan, Glad to hear, good luck and all the best! Sep 01 13:59:28 How many apps has everyone in here made? Sep 01 13:59:37 markyosullivan, Personally or professionally? Sep 01 14:00:04 Is it fine to use if statements on the onNavigationItemSelected() and then use an Intent to start a new Activity? Sep 01 14:00:05 Both :) Sep 01 14:00:34 Profesionally, 6 or 7. Personally, none. I hate having to come up with a design, or even now just figuring out what navigation pattern to go with >.> Sep 01 14:01:30 I'm not happy with the way I navigate through activities :\ Sep 01 14:01:59 I use a drop-down menu, but I'm considering switching to a Main Menu, would probably be a lot better Sep 01 14:02:40 Yeh, anyway, best of luck. I'm off! Sep 01 14:06:15 i'm not even happy with making those decisions myself yet, about navigation and design. spoiled, i guess. i've seen it done so well i would just hate to go do a crappy job of it. Sep 01 14:06:48 i can code like a fiend when i know where i'm going but nailing down a design for that purpose has always been The Hard Part Sep 01 14:17:27 anyone using android studio ? Sep 01 14:25:53 atm, unfortunately yes Sep 01 14:30:28 Why do I still get the app name and a Spinner when I try to use dropdown navigation? Sep 01 14:36:53 Java HTTP client retries failed requests a few times by default? Sep 01 14:36:57 cute Sep 01 14:37:13 it does? Sep 01 14:38:38 apache httpclient ? Sep 01 14:39:41 apache yes Sep 01 14:40:10 3 retries by default Sep 01 14:40:43 unless i am high and misunderstanding this which is entirely possible Sep 01 14:41:49 that's apache httpclient then Sep 01 14:42:18 yeah... do most ppl use something else? im mucking in older code right now Sep 01 14:43:09 oh you're commenting on the fact that I said "Java HTTP Client", yes i stand corrected there Sep 01 14:47:25 and yeah, most people use HttpURLConnection Sep 01 14:48:43 I wonder how difficult it is to implement keepass sync/merging Sep 01 14:58:48 meh, not worth implementing right now Sep 01 15:45:03 so dead today Sep 01 15:46:08 it's sunday :P Sep 01 15:46:13 * Mavrik fires up his PS3. Sep 01 15:49:50 in eclipse, if you hover a method the android docs are shown, is this also possible in android studio? Sep 01 15:53:42 * hackkitten fires up her PS4 Sep 01 15:54:12 spobat: doubt it if it's anything like the editor it's based on Sep 01 15:54:28 ok Sep 01 15:54:33 :[ Sep 01 15:54:34 I haven't been able to try android studio, though Sep 01 15:54:39 since it's 32-bit Java only Sep 01 15:54:43 does google already recommend android studio? Sep 01 15:54:46 nope Sep 01 15:54:53 it's still termed 'unstable' Sep 01 15:55:02 ADT is still the way to go for now Sep 01 15:55:33 okay :) Sep 01 15:55:39 :) Sep 01 15:58:51 how is android studio different to ADT? Sep 01 15:59:54 intellij :: eclipse Sep 01 15:59:57 that's how it's different Sep 01 16:00:36 pfn: that's how it's different? Sep 01 16:00:45 yes Sep 01 16:00:52 how is it different to eclipse/ADT? Sep 01 16:01:05 google how is intellij different from eclipse Sep 01 16:01:12 alright Sep 01 16:02:12 most sites say android studio/intellij is bette r:/ Sep 01 16:02:14 better* :/ Sep 01 16:02:59 * pfn headscratches Sep 01 16:03:01 but because it's still an 'early access preview' it's unstable Sep 01 16:03:11 why doesn't my share activity when I share Sep 01 16:03:15 show up Sep 01 16:10:32 hi Sep 01 16:10:44 how to change sim serial (imsi) code in emu ? Sep 01 16:12:45 hackkitten: are there yet any speculations about when it will probably become stable? Sep 01 16:16:20 is it correct to say android uses the java language but compile it for a different vm? Sep 01 16:18:54 yes Sep 01 16:23:40 ok Sep 01 16:28:53 how to change sim serial (imsi) code in emu ? Sep 01 16:34:06 Why do I still get the app name and a Spinner when I try to use dropdown navigation? Sep 01 16:38:23 Good evening devs, I'm just starting off with Android Development and was wondering if someone could point to an appropriate library or function for "on new sim card insertion" event handling. Sep 01 16:38:33 spobat: at the rate at which it's progressing I'd easily give it a few more years Sep 01 16:39:25 impedancee: I have used both IntelliJ and Android Studio and I must say I prefer Eclipse/ADT still =/ Sep 01 16:40:50 Is it ok to start a new activity each time the onNavigationItemSelected() method is triggered? Sep 01 16:43:12 Oh nvm, I got my answer on SO. :D Sep 01 16:44:47 SO FTW :) Sep 01 16:45:29 zyngawow: in general it's okay to start a new activity. Just make sure you aren't polluting the back stack or creating circular paths Sep 01 16:51:16 Heya, I have the sdk installed. I have eclipse setup with the sdk. I'd like to be able to debug/test the app on my phone. I can "adb shell" in from the commandline. But the eclipse build doesn't generate an apk. I can build on the commandline via ant. How can I tell eclipse to build the apk for the app? Also, how do I control the name of the generated apk? Sep 01 16:51:30 sorry for the wall of text. if there's a faq i'm missing, clue me in Sep 01 16:53:00 Fah plug your phone in, when you run it go run configure and select the project you want to run then click run, a dialog box should show up with your phone in it, select your phone. Sep 01 16:53:55 Well, it wont run because right now eclipse isn't generating an apk when I hit build Sep 01 16:54:20 don't build just run / run config Sep 01 16:54:23 but i know adb is working, i can use it to push/pull on the commandline Sep 01 16:54:24 ok Sep 01 16:55:08 if that doesn't work go to the sdk manager and install some stuff Sep 01 16:55:20 at least one of the sdk versions of android Sep 01 16:58:00 Yeah, now I'm back full circle to R.class not getting generated Sep 01 16:58:22 I can build things on the cmdline with ant Sep 01 16:58:36 I must have something setup wrong in eclipse, but I pretty much just followed the guide online Sep 01 17:01:03 and i think that was it. I really hate how eclipse poops files with state serialized into them in more than one place. Old workspace. New workspace is behaving better. Sep 01 17:03:16 much closer. The project is building correctly now without help from ant :) Sep 01 17:04:33 sweet, my workspace was somehow trying to use an old no longer valid sdk path. Thanks for the help, I can launch apps correctly n ow Sep 01 17:04:53 you're welcome Sep 01 18:06:38 anyone got good ideas for geometry based Health meter, its for a mobile FPS game, and the full screen blood effect causes performance issues on slower devices. Sep 01 18:09:14 whats a geometry based health meter? are you talking about collision detection? Sep 01 18:09:35 and yeah, you'll want to scale down the effects on the slower hardware Sep 01 18:09:51 tripknotix: fillrate is probably pretty bad on some devices Sep 01 18:10:18 yeah Sep 01 18:10:22 no Fah Sep 01 18:10:33 tripknotix: you could try twiddling the vertex color instead, idk Sep 01 18:10:42 im talking about, maybe making a gear out of geometry, and then taking away peices of that gear as health goes up or down Sep 01 18:11:00 it was a persistent effect before zing Sep 01 18:11:03 but i like how your thinking Sep 01 18:12:55 tripknotix: if you have a image you're showing via full-screen quad or so that doesn't actually cover the whole screen, do make sure you have alpha testing enabled too (source alpha) Sep 01 18:13:11 ok heres the issue Sep 01 18:13:14 its using alpha testing Sep 01 18:13:16 and its full screne Sep 01 18:13:24 so when you get to about 90 damage, we run into almost the same issue Sep 01 18:13:28 i need something WITHOUT alpha Sep 01 18:13:31 litterally geometry based Sep 01 18:13:34 ah yeah Sep 01 18:13:36 and im hoping someone has some good ideas ont hat Sep 01 18:14:20 i'm kinda surprised one quad would affect performance that much tbqh Sep 01 18:14:29 i guess it shouldn't, but eh :P Sep 01 18:14:37 erh, shouldn't surprise me that much Sep 01 18:14:48 well i have other effects that are enable-able Sep 01 18:14:49 bloom Sep 01 18:14:53 lens glare effect Sep 01 18:14:54 fog Sep 01 18:15:01 ...ect Sep 01 18:15:09 bloom's going to kill your fillrate on lesser devices too Sep 01 18:15:10 every single one takes a performance hit Sep 01 18:15:21 even the blood, on a game iwth 30 players on screen Sep 01 18:15:30 its weird, if i onyl have 1 player on screen the blood doesnt effect much Sep 01 18:15:33 but with 30 its super slow Sep 01 18:15:38 BUT if i turn of fblood, it runs smooth with 30 players Sep 01 18:15:42 i do not understand it Sep 01 18:15:49 it must be the way alpha is handled Sep 01 18:16:04 could be the amount of texture memory you're using Sep 01 18:16:06 that the more geometry there is, the longer it takes because it takes into consideration the alpha up front Sep 01 18:16:16 very low texture memory, this is on the lowest settings Sep 01 18:16:26 on highest its 1024x1024on lowest it goes down to 256x256 Sep 01 18:16:28 are you batching things w/ the same texture? Sep 01 18:16:35 it might hel if u try the game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.RealDefinition.FutureOpsOnlineAlpha Sep 01 18:16:37 yes Sep 01 18:16:42 im batching buildings, crates Sep 01 18:16:51 players probably get dynamically batches at run time too Sep 01 18:16:51 blood? :P Sep 01 18:17:02 switching textures can be incredibly slow Sep 01 18:17:23 and if you run out of texture memory, it's going to crawl :P Sep 01 18:17:24 with blood turns off for like, blood coming out of zombies, those are actually turned off with a blood effects option... the blood im worired about is the full screen health indicator texture Sep 01 18:17:25 which is blood Sep 01 18:17:29 nope Sep 01 18:17:32 no memory issues Sep 01 18:17:38 tripknotix: how can you be sure? Sep 01 18:17:43 becuase im using profiler Sep 01 18:17:46 for android Sep 01 18:17:50 tripknotix: it doesn't profile the graphics memory Sep 01 18:18:02 3d texture memory is entirely different from system memory Sep 01 18:18:24 at highest texture settings, with a few 2048x2048 and many 1024x1024 i dont have issues, but regardless i turn the settings down to low quality to give 256x256 and that eliminates the possibility of it having to do with the alpha issue Sep 01 18:18:31 vram Sep 01 18:18:36 ok Sep 01 18:18:36 is what im concentrating on Sep 01 18:18:38 not system ram Sep 01 18:18:53 i keep system ram down by only placing resources needed in each scene Sep 01 18:19:03 idk, if you're batching the stuff properly, i guess it can only be the fillrate issue Sep 01 18:19:13 if it's a fillrate issue, it will happen even with no texture at all Sep 01 18:19:27 so with no texture at all it runs smooth as butter Sep 01 18:19:30 with 30+ players Sep 01 18:19:33 and with hd textures Sep 01 18:19:38 but using vertex rendering Sep 01 18:19:48 insteead of forward, because my device doesnt like my fancy speculars in forward rendering =P Sep 01 18:19:56 but everyone else seems to love that specular stuff Sep 01 18:19:57 regardless Sep 01 18:20:04 well Sep 01 18:20:10 in vertex rendering mode, using ambient lit objects, the game runs smooth with 30+ players Sep 01 18:20:13 probably not fillrate then Sep 01 18:20:19 but as soon as i turn on that single full screen alpha, BAM Sep 01 18:20:21 =/ Sep 01 18:20:39 hmmm Sep 01 18:20:42 weird Sep 01 18:20:42 its not noticeable if your just walking, but as soon s youstart turning Sep 01 18:20:44 it chugs Sep 01 18:20:51 maybe you're hitting some sort of software fallback? Sep 01 18:20:59 idk Sep 01 18:21:02 the turns is like 5fps for half a second, i mean i have it designed to skip the frames Sep 01 18:21:04 something funky going on there Sep 01 18:21:07 but your talking about alot of skipped frames Sep 01 18:21:31 well when i have blod on i can walk around everything looks smooth i can turn if no players are in sight, but when i look at the 30+ players shooting eachother =/ Sep 01 18:21:32 ... skip frames? o_O silly game designers :P Sep 01 18:21:39 yes no vsync Sep 01 18:21:42 i turned it off Sep 01 18:21:55 devices have their own syncing enforcements Sep 01 18:22:05 but disabling it on my side, it allows me to render less, and let them worry about what to display Sep 01 18:22:18 smoother gameplay basically Sep 01 18:22:28 proper engine design (which no game designer actually uses) doesn't have any skipped frames. it renders when it can, end of story :P Sep 01 18:23:05 im not skipping the frames... Sep 01 18:23:17 im talking about the difference between vsync on and off Sep 01 18:23:35 its set to off Sep 01 18:23:44 the device itself will enforce its own syncing rules Sep 01 18:23:50 depending on if ios, android, version..ect Sep 01 18:24:05 if it's set to off, it presumably will not synchronize at all Sep 01 18:24:10 exactly Sep 01 18:24:13 it renders what it can Sep 01 18:24:26 if it cant render the scene, it feels like missed frames Sep 01 18:24:32 but doesnt actually skip Sep 01 18:24:37 do u know what im talking about Sep 01 18:24:40 yes Sep 01 18:24:46 instead of going 1 , 15, 30, 45, 60 Sep 01 18:24:48 that isn't what you said earlier though, sorry for misunderstanding :) Sep 01 18:24:54 im going, 1 38, 50, Sep 01 18:24:59 no i understand Sep 01 18:25:04