**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 07 02:59:59 2013 Sep 07 03:00:04 <^cheeky> well all are, and i am no expert either ha .. soo .. your inflating it properly and all ? why dont you just delete the file .. since it only has a button and edit text and recreate the file .. and paste in the edit text and button .. and do a rebuild of the project hope fully during the clean it will re-associate all the index and files and what now Sep 07 03:00:06 <^cheeky> *not Sep 07 03:01:15 did i just read right? you want me to delete a file that i just wrote to exercise how to program in android, nope dude, not this time. Sep 07 03:01:23 <^cheeky> veryhappy .. you might be missing the tools:context Sep 07 03:01:31 where? Sep 07 03:02:00 do you mean the line: xmlns:tools="http://schemas.android.com/tools"? Sep 07 03:02:10 it's already in there. Sep 07 03:03:33 <^cheeky> mebe ontop add Sep 07 03:04:02 ^cheeky: how many days are you actually in android programming? Sep 07 03:04:16 <^cheeky> above the LinearLayout tag Sep 07 03:04:26 <^cheeky> i dont keep count .. why do you ask ? Sep 07 03:04:37 <^cheeky> if your wondering if i am a n00b .. yes i am :) Sep 07 03:05:20 ^cheeky: that's why i wanted to ask - don't give another noob not helpful hints when you're a noob as well, that is no help at all, sorry. Sep 07 03:05:51 ^cheeky: i know you wanted to help, the better help would be to get someone then who has experience than to guess what it could be - or not. Sep 07 03:05:54 <^cheeky> dont be sorry , its the net you choose what you wanna accept i just broadcast to and question :) Sep 07 03:06:07 ^cheeky: i see. Sep 07 03:06:22 <^cheeky> yup just wanna help Sep 07 03:07:04 <^cheeky> well hope you get it working and if you do .. and if you dont mind tell me the fix would like to know as well Sep 07 03:07:50 <^cheeky> so adding the declaring that the file is an xml file on top of the file did not work ? Sep 07 03:08:42 ^cheeky: i didn't do it. i'm waiting for someone more experienced to help me, but if i see you next time i'm gonna tell you the fix - if possible Sep 07 03:08:58 <^cheeky> k thanks Sep 07 03:13:09 <^cheeky> blaaaah friday night here ... Sep 07 03:13:19 <^cheeky> veryhappy: come one man try it .. what do you have to lose lol Sep 07 03:13:34 <^cheeky> *on Sep 07 03:14:20 ^cheeky: if you would mind - please let me work and find a fix for that - i'm here to work. Sep 07 03:15:26 <^cheeky> lol sheesh fine dude, i guess ill get some work done as well Sep 07 03:17:14 ^cheeky, so are you learning android dev for work or something? Sep 07 03:20:48 <^cheeky> i wish for work , @ work its just c++ stuff i do and very boring and non-exciting and very how do i say .. archaic.. lol its crazyily written. just love gadgets man... and i love how hackable android is!! so i guess hobby i dunno Sep 07 03:20:55 ^cheeky: deleted the gen folder and left it recreate. that was all so far Sep 07 03:22:06 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: you ever messed with this stencil stuff thats in the android design site ? Sep 07 03:22:25 <^cheeky> whao .. dude .. deleted the whole gen folder .. but why ? Sep 07 03:23:24 ^cheeky: it's recreated automatically. Sep 07 03:23:43 <^cheeky> yah ... and it worked ? Sep 07 03:24:13 ^cheeky: one file had an error - so i had to delete the gen folder - got recreated the stuff and it works finally. Sep 07 03:24:40 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: dont get me wrong about c++ i like C++ and what not just the stuff i do .. doesnt get exciting! , what about you Sep 07 03:25:00 <^cheeky> very happy congratz, :) Sep 07 03:25:03 <^cheeky> and thanks Sep 07 03:25:13 no problem - thank you Sep 07 03:25:17 take care Sep 07 03:26:07 <^cheeky> i dunno if i was just trolled or what the hell just happened Sep 07 03:26:50 lol Sep 07 03:27:52 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: why you learning android dev, if you dont mind me asking Sep 07 03:29:10 Say it is for doing magic tricks Sep 07 03:29:18 ^cheeky, honestly, I thought I would write like a simple app or something just to put it on my resume and say I did something this summer, but now I am really starting to like it Sep 07 03:29:42 If anything I may have just found a new hobby Sep 07 03:30:23 <^cheeky> hahah Sep 07 03:30:33 Also, as to your earlier question, I am still a student. Don't really have any work experience Sep 07 03:30:39 <^cheeky> yeah i think i wanna do this when i wake up in AM for work Sep 07 03:31:02 <^cheeky> we have a mobile department but its crazy packed and our division gets insane work so blah what ever Sep 07 03:31:17 new job? Sep 07 03:31:20 <^cheeky> sheesh this practice app i created is soo uuugly Sep 07 03:31:39 What is the SDK made in? Java? Sep 07 03:32:08 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: yeah, kinda Sep 07 03:32:43 <^cheeky> where i live very few, mobile dev stuff. Sep 07 03:33:18 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: i wish i never graduated even though it wasnt long ago .. college is freaking awsome atmosphere always intresting Sep 07 03:33:37 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: create an app, do some open source bug fixes Sep 07 03:35:35 ^cheeky, yeah Im loving college so far, can't wait to go back in a few weeks. I already have what I think is a decent idea for an app, maybe not mind blowing but good enough for the market I think, so I am going to be working on that Sep 07 03:35:57 <^cheeky> nice Sep 07 03:36:42 was your degree computer science? Sep 07 03:37:27 <^cheeky> yup yup Sep 07 03:41:06 Nice. Sep 07 03:42:08 <^cheeky> i guess ill try implementing cards .. for my list view tonight , coz its a Friday night !!!!! whoopie heh Sep 07 03:42:37 i'm just doing the hello-jni example, but with c++ Sep 07 03:42:48 why is it that extern C is required here? http://ideone.com/fqbBrH Sep 07 03:43:13 i get an UnsatisfiedLinkError without extern C Sep 07 03:44:31 ^cheeky, implementing cards? Sep 07 03:45:51 <^cheeky> yeah like i dunno if it would go in a list view .. and list adopter .. coz i mean i have listview created a custome adopter and it has a list item .. which uses a relative layout .. Sep 07 03:46:04 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: you know like the goolge now cards Sep 07 03:49:08 ^cheeky, oh yeah my bad Sep 07 03:49:20 <^cheeky> pistolpete333: why your bad lol Sep 07 03:49:54 i forgot about google now Sep 07 03:51:43 Is it possible to reconfigure menu at runtime Sep 07 03:52:17 well, views rather Sep 07 03:52:20 but you knew what I meant Sep 07 03:52:37 i'm just doing the hello-jni example, but with c++ Sep 07 03:52:42 i get an UnsatisfiedLinkError without extern C Sep 07 03:52:50 could someone explain why? Sep 07 03:53:32 When you extern "C" you suppress C++ name mangling Sep 07 03:53:37 so it can link to it Sep 07 03:55:23 so the only side effect of extern "C" is that you can't overload functions? Sep 07 03:55:33 It basically makes it a C function Sep 07 03:55:41 :p Sep 07 03:55:47 With some magic added Sep 07 03:55:58 but I can use all of C++ inside the braces, yes? Sep 07 03:56:09 yea Sep 07 03:56:42 I thought using extern on functions was like declaring a variable but not giving it a value? Sep 07 03:57:26 That's if you're just using extern on the funciton declaration Sep 07 03:57:41 like, "extern float Add(float a, float b);" Sep 07 03:58:04 ok, what is he trying to use it for then? Sep 07 03:58:06 why not put that in a header instead and then include it? Sep 07 03:58:49 Doing "extern "C" { float Add(float a, float b) { return a + b; } }" does things a bit differently :P Sep 07 04:02:19 Sonicadvance1, ok thanks for explaining that, to advanced for me lol Sep 07 04:02:58 There's a reason why there aren't any worthwhile C++ libraries available, everything is exported as a C function Sep 07 04:04:11 is this the right channel to ask about compiling the Android emulator itself from the source? I am just wondering when one can use Java 7 with that Sep 07 04:07:10 darwin, Android emulator most likely isn't in Java since it is in qemu Sep 07 04:08:24 one needs Java to compile the Android emulator Sep 07 04:14:15 darwin, I guess it uses Java for the front end of it Sep 07 04:16:16 Is Bluestacks worth the constant services running on my machine all the time? Sep 07 04:16:24 Or are there faster emulators out there? Sep 07 04:16:24 where would you keep a C/C++ library that you ported for android? Sep 07 04:16:32 I just want an emulator with Gapps on it. Sep 07 04:16:35 keep it in your project? Sep 07 04:26:30 does Android.mk use make? Sep 07 04:27:24 I think it does Sep 07 04:27:34 or the other way around, if make is used Sep 07 04:28:20 i can barely write a makefile. I'll have to read up Sep 07 04:28:36 Makefiles are easy. Sep 07 04:28:48 Shouldn't take long. Sep 07 04:48:58 I want to port a library (libjpeg) to android. Should I make a separate project? Sep 07 04:49:46 The method I am trying to do is explained at the official source site: http://source.android.com/source/index.html . I tried just uninstalling Java 7 and temporarily installing 6, but that did not work yet Sep 07 04:52:14 apparently Android depends not only on all the outdated Java 6 and/or 32-bit version, or both, but when I downgraded, it is depending on other outdated/32-bit libraries Sep 07 04:57:48 RustyShackleford, just put it in JNI Sep 07 04:57:56 RustyShackleford, look at the JNI stuff in examples Sep 07 04:58:03 like hello-jni, two-libs etc. Sep 07 04:58:43 given nsa paranoia, lamport signature coin bunker implemented in 3...2... Sep 07 04:59:51 darwin i thought Android tooling should work fine with Java 7 Sep 07 05:00:04 i have java 6, only because i'm on os x 10.7 Sep 07 05:01:00 but dunno about 32/64 bit Sep 07 05:02:14 I am not sure either... I just read some posts implying it needs 32-bit... hopefully that is no longer true Sep 07 05:02:56 does it matter though ? Sep 07 05:03:00 yes Sep 07 05:03:25 I am not about to set up an ancient 32-bit p3 or p4 just to build this Sep 07 05:04:04 If I have Java 7, building the Android emulator from source says install 6... after I downgraded to that, the Android build is having issues with current versions of Perl Sep 07 05:04:29 I would have to install a version of my OS from a few years ago Sep 07 05:04:45 unless this is all 64-bit problems Sep 07 05:04:49 hm, just set up a vm ;) Sep 07 05:23:19 hm, i dont seem to be notices from genymotion when they update their stuff Sep 07 05:34:07 meh fuck it, 'failed to install ova device' ; rm -fr genymotion ;) Sep 07 05:34:17 back to the shitty ol qemu Sep 07 05:46:30 Anyone in here figure out how to make the Adreno drivers fail less spectacularly? Sep 07 05:58:50 hi, where would i drop The Robot Fonts in android studio, would it be in a raw folder .. i mean i have used the icons from the map pack i just drag and dropped them into the specific directories in my project but where would the fonts go ? Since the Robot font was introduced with Ice cream sandwich .. prior devices i take it would not be able to get the desired look since those devices dont have those fonts ? Sep 07 06:12:42 Hey guys, Im trying to use Root Explorer to create a symlink of a folder (For google play) Sep 07 06:12:56 I can create the Symlink but cant paste it, anyone know why this is? Sep 07 06:13:26 My device is a Galaxy S3 i9305T Stock rom Rooted with Odin Sep 07 07:17:45 can one enable ethernet in the Android emulator? Sep 07 07:22:10 darwin, Probably not Sep 07 07:22:48 someone on #android said one can but that I should come to this channel Sep 07 07:23:03 maybe maybe Sep 07 07:23:16 someone with more experience with qemu android emulation hacking maybe Sep 07 07:32:45 This UI designer in android studio is... not the best Sep 07 07:34:08 ok, apparently one has to set up some sort of 'network redirection' to use the host machine's ethernet... the instructions are not that clear for users who are not networking specialist computer scientists Sep 07 07:37:38 Hi! Is it alright to have 2 Google developer console accounts? Motivation is I want use one for more public stuff with my name and another for somewhat possibly stupid stuff and experimental apps. Both are are supposed to generate some income. So is it prohibited? If so, can I have personal account and company one or something? Sep 07 07:38:42 bakingbread, it's fine, google actually tells you to make a company account for apps Sep 07 07:39:42 Mavrik: okay good to know! But if I will receive money on the same address is it still okay? Sep 07 07:40:02 probably, but you should really ask their support for that Sep 07 07:41:25 Mavrik: is it accessible? just saying from the experience from the other great Google products - you can't simply contact support Sep 07 07:42:25 good question, never tried it honestly, we use a separate account for out company, but the address is an office Sep 07 07:42:32 so I can't say much about it :/ Sep 07 07:43:07 darwin, how can you be a developer and not know a simple IP forwarding setup? -_- Sep 07 07:47:50 I did not specialize in that stuff Sep 07 07:48:16 but developers are not the only people who may want to use an emulator, anyway Sep 07 07:49:11 there are basics and then there's specialization Sep 07 07:49:54 if it wasn't okay to have two accounts, nobody would be able to do work as more than one company ever Sep 07 07:56:07 can anyone tell me, if there is a way to get apps which come on android natively and open them up in android studio to study the code please ? Sep 07 07:56:25 sim0ne, depends what do you want to study. Sep 07 07:56:37 sim0ne, source of bundled Android apps is available as part of Android source Sep 07 07:56:43 i just use ack & vi to study those apps Sep 07 07:56:45 source of Google apps and other 3rd party apps is closed. Sep 07 07:56:58 heh, eventually there won't be anything left :| Sep 07 07:57:10 excelt the caclulator Sep 07 07:57:15 sp Sep 07 07:57:26 g00s, still better than ipad then :P Sep 07 07:58:14 calendar and email are good examples to go through Sep 07 07:58:24 i get the impression other stuff is rotting, like music Sep 07 07:58:29 well i mean the app i created . i wanted add some colour and i wanted to add some nice fluidity .. for example i am trying to mimic the people app list view on my app liste view i got the image and text and divider all done but it kinda has all contacts .. under a letter and when you scroll it has that animation.. Sep 07 07:58:54 so .. i mean need to download the android source code and just open and compile it in android studio ? Sep 07 07:59:42 so would i be able to see the people app code ? Sep 07 08:01:25 g00s, music is dead Sep 07 08:01:35 since it was replaced with GPM on pretty much anything that ships Sep 07 08:01:40 Mavrik do you know what musicFX is ? i saw that in the repo also Sep 07 08:01:51 isn't that the equalizer_ Sep 07 08:01:57 oh, k Sep 07 08:02:43 sim0ne, you can't just compile whole android in android studio Sep 07 08:02:49 sim0ne, and I don't get why would you have to Sep 07 08:02:57 since you want to see the source only Sep 07 08:03:19 yeah .. i mean it would be nice to put break points and see where the app is going which functions and what not Sep 07 08:10:34 Mavrik: so using repo .. i get the whole source for android ... but thats i mean i am installing android from scratch to a device ? sorry please bear my stupid questions Sep 07 08:14:41 I am not sure if .. its because my list view i used the design editor to move my views around but when i run it on my device .. now .. it really sluggish .. i mean very choppy to .. or is it coz i am displaying a picture image that it caused it to be slow Sep 07 08:16:54 yup its the images Sep 07 08:16:55 blah Sep 07 08:26:42 http://omapzoom.org/ Sep 07 08:27:08 is that what you guys were referring to Sep 07 09:04:49 Anyone here got a LG Optimus G2? :P Sep 07 09:04:58 Or any other Snapdragon 800 device? Sep 07 09:05:12 Really want to get in touch with someone that has one :D Sep 07 09:29:19 Hello world!' Sep 07 09:33:17 Ah, back. Hello world! Sep 07 09:33:52 When I'm using a FragmentTransaction to "replace" my own Fragment onto android.R.id.content, when will it actually attach the Fragment to the activity? Sep 07 09:34:51 I figured it would be attached upon calling the .commit() on my FragmenTransaction? Sep 07 09:36:42 (The error itself is thrown upon me trying to do getActivity() in my Fragment, but that's after commiting) Sep 07 09:40:13 public abstract int commit () Sep 07 09:40:13 Schedules a commit of this transaction. The commit does not happen immediately; it will be scheduled as work on the main thread to be done the next time that thread is ready. Sep 07 09:42:56 Ouf, can't believe I missed to read that part. Sep 07 09:43:15 (Hi again SimonVT, by the way :)) ) Sep 07 09:43:43 anyone know which ar app has dutch - english translation? Sep 07 09:52:30 are there examples of port redirection for Android's emulator to use its host's wired LAN device, or at least web or other network access on that? I did not study port redirection, no matter what people claim a developer would know (where I studied, it may be a networking topic, which is not a basic scientific computing topic), and I do not claim to be an Android developer--I was just told to come here for emulator questions... and avera Sep 07 09:52:30 ge users of the emulator who have no idea what the redirection documentation is all about could probably use some examples Sep 07 09:53:05 android's emulator is qemu Sep 07 09:53:09 hmm Sep 07 10:25:23 ok, I should be able to figure it out eventually then Sep 07 11:15:51 hello Sep 07 11:15:57 does it worth to use android studio ? Sep 07 11:18:27 no Sep 07 11:19:14 why Sep 07 11:19:15 that Sep 07 11:19:34 its sometimes buggy Sep 07 11:19:47 so stick with eclipse ? Sep 07 11:20:23 if u r comfortable with eclipse stick with it Sep 07 11:21:17 AS works fine Sep 07 11:21:30 hm ok... Sep 07 11:21:39 everyone says that heh Sep 07 12:10:24 "In order to demonstrate our superior intelligence, we now ask you a question you cannot answer". Sep 07 12:12:00 I am referring to the project import dialog which asks questions like "Use gradle wrapper (recommended)", "Use bundled gradle distribution: (blabla)", "Use local gradle distribution" Sep 07 12:14:08 The bundled distribution apparently doesn't know what is android-18, the wrapper say "Task 'wrapper' not found in root project'" etc. This thing just doesn't work for the time being. Fair enough, it is 0.2.x software. Sep 07 12:14:39 Is it possible to create an intent to change tabs? Sep 07 12:25:55 hello world. can anyone tell me how is named module responsible for sdcard. I have one AOSP ROM and CM kernel and sdcard with new update is not recognized. thanks in advance. Sep 07 12:27:37 #android-root for root questions Sep 07 12:33:18 my phone speaker no longer works Sep 07 12:33:32 the external works ok Sep 07 12:33:44 can it be a rom or kernel issue? Sep 07 12:34:00 I remember it working days ago Sep 07 12:34:59 This channel is for app dev. Try #android or #android-root Sep 07 12:35:11 ok ty Sep 07 13:43:25 hello, I am trying to populate a ListView with items from an Array, for this I am using an ArrayAdapter, but when I try to set that adapter to my listview the application crashes Sep 07 13:43:39 any idea on what I have to lookout for ? Sep 07 13:50:27 Hi all, I need to devel a calendar week layout like this: http://smartphoneblogging.com/wp-content/gallery/android-2-2-froyo/android_2-2_froyo_week_view.png what kind of view shoud I use to make the hours-grid? Sep 07 13:50:50 I have to put objects inside the grid with a start/end date and a name Sep 07 13:54:18 Steran, have you check all the text view ids? Sep 07 13:54:26 just to make sure they're matching up? Sep 07 13:54:59 I'm trying to send a Notification, but I get this error: "Not posting notification with..." not sure if I understand this error. Sep 07 13:55:29 Also have you set the adapter for the list view steran Sep 07 13:55:56 Have you got a BroadcastReceiver alexfu Sep 07 13:56:08 markyosullivan: yes. Sep 07 13:56:57 Are you using a pending indent to set up the notification? Sep 07 13:58:38 Can anyone help me with my code? Sep 07 13:58:46 or give me advice? Same problem as last night Sep 07 13:59:01 hello Sep 07 13:59:12 Trying to edit a list view but I get the wrong list view item to edit Sep 07 13:59:12 is there something like SIP_HEADER for iax2 ? Sep 07 13:59:16 markyosullivan, yes I set the adapter to my listview, I don't understand the part of checking the text view ids Sep 07 13:59:44 markyosullivan , what I have is this; http://pastebin.com/jKBYwyfW Sep 07 13:59:44 Have you made a layout for your array adapter to display the data? Sep 07 14:00:23 markyosullivan: no. What's the role of a pending intent in the context of a Notification? Sep 07 14:00:39 yes I have a layout, in that layout I have a textview and a ListView Sep 07 14:01:00 alexfu: I use a pending intent because the user can pick a time to set the notification to go off Sep 07 14:01:35 It's pending because the intent isn't activated until the desired time that the user wants Sep 07 14:02:16 markyosullivan: well, i just want it to display some text. nothing else Sep 07 14:02:20 steran I'm guessing you haven't matched up your songList array item with the textview in your array adapter layout Sep 07 14:03:00 Why could I get: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.darkraven.shoppinglist/com.darkraven.shoppinglist.ShoppingList}: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #7: Error inflating class fragment When getting the tag from my fragment? Sep 07 14:03:05 That's simple alexfu Sep 07 14:03:58 You need to check your code for your Broadcast Receiver Sep 07 14:04:07 that's where you set the text for the notification Sep 07 14:04:23 markyosullivan: I know it's simple, in any case, I already figured it out. Sep 07 14:04:28 Okay then Sep 07 14:04:39 markyosullivan: Notifications REQUIRE an icon otherwise they will not display Sep 07 14:05:37 I don't know what you're trying to ask Sep 07 14:06:32 markyosullivan: simply put, my notification was not showing up at all and I kept seeing this error in the logcat "Not posting notification with... " Sep 07 14:07:52 markyosullivan: Looking through the source code for NotificationManager, turns out that if notification.icon == 0, that error is thrown and notifications dont show up. Sep 07 14:08:13 Why not just set an icon and see if it works? Sep 07 14:08:35 is there something like SIP_HEADER for iax2 ? Sep 07 14:08:39 markyosullivan: i did... and it works.. i mentioned that before... Sep 07 14:08:40 *function Sep 07 14:12:31 Why not just put an icon for the notification? Sep 07 14:12:35 Why don't you want an icon? Sep 07 14:39:44 Does Fragment#getTag() return the tag set in the FragmentTransaction? Sep 07 14:42:15 yes Sep 07 14:46:23 SimonVT: think I found a solution to my problem last night. Instead of transfer an array item which has the full payment date, I'm splitting the array items down to payment day, month, year so I can transfer everything I need Sep 07 14:46:50 Can I transfer an array item even if I have the visibility for it in my layout as "gone"? Sep 07 14:53:28 Not sure what that means Sep 07 14:53:43 Or why you're not just using the cursor Sep 07 14:55:18 Not sure how to use the cursor to get it to work Sep 07 15:01:27 SimonVT, I don't understand my NPE while checking the tag Sep 07 15:01:37 if it does indeed return that tag Sep 07 15:03:02 ok Sep 07 15:03:22 ... Sep 07 15:03:26 Why could I get one? Sep 07 15:03:43 Because you're calling a method on a null object Sep 07 15:04:19 Or accessing a field on a null object Sep 07 15:04:28 NullPointerException 101 Sep 07 15:04:55 Yeah. Sep 07 15:05:06 "foo".equals(tag) if the tag is a string Sep 07 15:05:07 Why does getTag() return null? Sep 07 15:05:10 (pro tip) Sep 07 15:05:24 alankila, not new to Java ;) Sep 07 15:05:41 It returns null if the fragment has no tag or has not been added Sep 07 15:06:01 Why would it return null if it does have a tag set? Sep 07 15:06:09 Because it doesn't have a tag set Sep 07 15:06:09 I don't start the fragment without a tag Sep 07 15:06:29 also I got to wonder... why does android have tags everywhere in all APIs? Wouldn't it be a better design to not lose the object than tag it and then have a method to retrieve it by a tag... Sep 07 15:06:32 Or does setContentView() start the fragment on a FragmentActivity? Sep 07 15:06:53 though I guess the object recreation problem may be a cause for this particular oddity Sep 07 15:11:03 mpeg-2 streams can't natively be played right? what's the alternatives. i read something about gstreamer - seems heavy weight Sep 07 15:45:28 hi, we can't add a fragment to linearlayout, is this right? Sep 07 15:51:49 What should I import to get getContext() in FeedReaderDbHelper mDbHelper = new FeedReaderDbHelper(getContext()); ? Sep 07 15:53:52 you don't import to get methods Sep 07 15:55:19 pfn: How do I get that one? Sep 07 15:55:39 you pass a context Sep 07 15:57:57 pfn: just to be sure we are on the same wave http://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/databases.html Sep 07 15:58:15 they're using that function Sep 07 15:58:47 doesn't mean you can copy paste their code without context Sep 07 16:00:20 pfn: I'm expecting a function getContext() to be defined... Sep 07 16:00:37 why... Sep 07 16:01:01 it won't be unless your code is completely identical up to their class definition Sep 07 16:01:01 pfn: because the documentation uses it... Sep 07 16:01:13 but the documentation doesnt Sep 07 16:01:17 it's an example Sep 07 16:01:34 pfn: so how am I supposed to replace it? Sep 07 16:02:19 by learning more java and what a context is Sep 07 16:02:41 pfn: do you have any good links about it? Sep 07 16:03:20 d.android.com Sep 07 16:04:19 pfn: too vague Sep 07 16:04:39 read some java tutorials on oracle.com Sep 07 16:05:50 u_u Sep 07 16:10:39 Does anyone debug NDK apps with the eclipse ADT? I am debugging a shared library and i can get it to stop at my breakpoints but i can not inspect any variables. Any ideas? Sep 07 16:11:36 GDB keeps telling me No symbol "dt" in current context and the expression window in eclipse gives a similar error Sep 07 16:12:28 it appears that all my files are being built with -g -O0 and GDB "info sharedlibrary" shows the symbols pointing at the unstripped shared library binary Sep 07 16:12:44 May as well as ask again since there are more active people. Anyone have a Snapdragon 800 phone, like the LG G2 or Xperia Z Ultra, that I can prod for a short while? Sep 07 16:18:19 I have a dragonball CPU in a device - though i don't think that'd help you Sep 07 16:20:13 or snapdragon? Sep 07 16:21:51 lol Sep 07 16:33:51 mpeg-2 playback in android.... anyone ? Sep 07 16:35:13 http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html not officially supported. so it would require some library/whatever Sep 07 16:36:00 yes Sep 07 16:36:01 i know Sep 07 16:36:15 just wondering what's most light weight for this purpose Sep 07 16:38:45 as a user, i would go for vlc (there is a beta for android) Sep 07 16:38:48 but as a dev.. no clue Sep 07 16:39:37 ok .. i really want to avoid broadcasting intents for such a simple task Sep 07 16:43:12 not such a simple task when it isn't really even supported, is it Sep 07 16:43:40 how about you convert your large and ancient mpeg2 files to some supported codec? Sep 07 16:45:08 there are JNI which uses NDK to do this in C (e.g. gstreamer) Sep 07 16:45:26 Why there is "dp" measurement if we have "mm" ? Sep 07 16:45:29 alankila: i want to stream my content directly from a satellite stream Sep 07 16:45:39 Or why there is "mm" if there is "mm" ? Sep 07 16:46:05 alankila: by transcoding it on the server i'm facing several issues far more complicated Sep 07 16:46:15 Hi Sep 07 16:46:19 fine, fine. So you are stuck with mpeg2-era tech. Sep 07 16:46:19 and less perfomant Sep 07 16:46:31 I mean to me it seems that "dp" "pt" "mm" "in" behave the same. Sep 07 16:46:35 alankila: mpeg-2 is the standard av all sat-streams Sep 07 16:46:42 How do big games like Asphalt and Unity games not get killed on low memory? Sep 07 16:46:54 I can only recommend embedding a decoder library and trying to arrange for some efficient memory sharing thing that allows decoder to write directly to gpu memory if it's possible on android. Sep 07 16:47:12 Or killed, but seamlessly (same menus, same level, same player/object position) Sep 07 16:47:48 They don't appear to be in foreground services, there's no "app is running" notification on 4.3 Sep 07 16:48:16 alankila: i wish i found a low-level, lightweight lib for that Sep 07 16:48:39 it's too time consuming to make such a manual decoding perfomant Sep 07 16:48:41 I don't think they save state externally Sep 07 16:48:46 The state is too big Sep 07 16:49:00 And virtually everything is preserved Sep 07 16:49:59 SiPlus: how so? So far the state you are talking about is a few bytes. How do you know that the state is too big? Object positions may take 4 or 8 bytes per object. Sep 07 16:50:37 alankila, that's not just position Sep 07 16:50:47 It doesn't matter what exactly, my point is you can probably fit 100 objects in a kilobyte without even trying Sep 07 16:50:54 well, I'm thinking about savegames Sep 07 16:50:55 but Sep 07 16:51:03 the menus are preserved entirely Sep 07 16:51:14 Don't understand what you mean. Sep 07 16:51:21 menus? like, settings? Sep 07 16:51:57 Do big games really store every little thing? Sep 07 16:52:11 in ondestroy state Sep 07 16:52:16 I think not. Most save stating is really cheating a lot. Sep 07 16:52:35 state saving, too. Jesus. Sep 07 16:52:36 Such as animation positions Sep 07 16:52:44 But how then? Sep 07 16:53:00 I'll state my save! Sep 07 16:53:19 Why isn't the game restarted for me if I leave the game in background and play other heavy games for a hour or two? Sep 07 16:53:25 isn't crap like unity open source? it's a question that is answerable if you look into it. Without, we can talk about how much state is too much. I maintain that you can store a ton of state in a relatively trivial amount of memory like 1 kilobyte. Why do you think it's too hard? Sep 07 16:53:58 alankila, because of the amount of variables needed to collect Sep 07 16:54:13 variables to be collected * Sep 07 16:54:24 I do understand that it's not *easy*. It's irritating work to do, no question about it. But when it comes to size, that's probably not the problem. Sep 07 16:54:44 No, not just file size Sep 07 16:55:11 The number of things the game needs to save and restore Sep 07 16:55:42 anyway the easiest save technique is checkpoints + forbid player from going backwards. So you only have to save a very small number of things and can reconstruct the rest. Most games seem to do it like this. Sep 07 16:55:43 Do games that use scripts save entire VM state similar to Windows hibernation or what? Sep 07 16:56:02 What about purely native-code games? Sep 07 16:56:19 I don't think storing the entire heap, stack and all registers is a good way to store game state Sep 07 16:56:22 it's all manual work for sure. There is no support in android for anything like that. Sep 07 16:56:44 alankila, I'm not talking about the level progress Sep 07 16:56:55 it's easy to implement through quicksaves-like system Sep 07 16:56:57 they simply have a "marshal" and "unmarshal" hook for every object and during save or application stop time, they call it and put the data somewhere on disk or wherever Sep 07 16:57:14 (however, I don't think games use quicksaves-like things for game state) Sep 07 16:57:26 when recovering killed activity Sep 07 16:57:38 I'm talking about other stuff like GUI Sep 07 16:58:02 Do big games usually not store small things at all? Sep 07 16:58:04 the game I had to work on did, actually... but it was saving every 1 minute anyway Sep 07 16:58:05 or what? Sep 07 16:58:11 I don't really understand what you are getting into. Have you made any android applications? Sep 07 16:58:34 It sounds like you haven't encountered the android object state persistence stuff Sep 07 16:58:39 alankila, yes, but it uses multiple activities like pages Sep 07 16:59:06 and everything was saved the same way as on orientation/keyboard change Sep 07 16:59:11 by the system Sep 07 16:59:25 I didn't do anything specifically to implement killed activity restoration Sep 07 16:59:28 Right. Android does much of the grunt work for an average application. Sep 07 16:59:32 Only onSaveInstanceState/onCreate Sep 07 16:59:45 So you don't understand how they save state just cus there's a lot of it? That's like saying it's harder to save a list of 100 items than a list of 10 items Sep 07 17:00:02 SimonVT, I'm not talking about uniform data like items Sep 07 17:01:00 But if games just store known variables Sep 07 17:01:08 where did they put the saved state? Sep 07 17:01:15 into a Bundle, I bet Sep 07 17:01:19 usually, I mean Sep 07 17:01:50 alankila, oh, maybe Sep 07 17:01:55 as byte arrays Sep 07 17:02:01 I assume Sep 07 17:02:07 the real kickass method is to just use ObjectOutputStream and have your crap implement java.io.Serializable and avoid having any android objects in them Sep 07 17:02:23 kind of annoying maybe but you can get entire object graph on disk and restored just like that Sep 07 17:02:48 well, I want to know not the way saving can be implemented Sep 07 17:02:55 android apps don't usually use Object*Stream stuff though Sep 07 17:02:59 but the way that is commonly used in big games Sep 07 17:03:11 like Unity games Sep 07 17:03:19 I'm trying to implement an interface across two projects; is there a way to (or better way) to do this without having the desktop project have to reference the android packages in the interface? Sep 07 17:03:20 and Gameloft games Sep 07 17:03:31 oh Sep 07 17:03:38 I remember one programmer from Gameloft Sep 07 17:03:44 gonna message him on Steam Sep 07 17:04:10 I think I know one from gameloft that used to go to GamingWorld Sep 07 17:04:14 when it existed Sep 07 17:11:49 "The ratio of dp-to-pixel will change with the screen density, but not necessarily in direct proportion." Sep 07 17:12:09 but not necessarily in direct proportion ? Sep 07 17:12:10 What this mean ? Sep 07 17:12:14 *does mean ? Sep 07 17:14:42 ? Sep 07 17:16:25 maybe the notion that android has more exotic pixel arrangements than array of RGB components which make a single pixel Sep 07 17:16:58 It's just because of density buckets Sep 07 17:17:14 hi guys Sep 07 17:18:06 bluesm_: i'm trying to figure it out and i can't either Sep 07 17:18:12 alankila: SimonVT : I can see not connection. Sep 07 17:18:35 px = dp*density/160 Sep 07 17:18:54 Will 100 dp be a different amount of pixels on a 150dpi screen compared to a 170dpi screen? Sep 07 17:19:05 yes Sep 07 17:19:09 No Sep 07 17:19:11 SimonVT: Yes Sep 07 17:19:14 They're both in the mdpi density bucket Sep 07 17:19:22 So their density when converting dp is 160 Sep 07 17:19:50 Makes dp a rather dubious metric, but I guess this supports the idea of not scaling images which are themselves given in particular density buckets Sep 07 17:19:51 imho, dp is distance, like if you measured in mm or inches Sep 07 17:20:07 so folks who don't want that probably are to use mm Sep 07 17:20:23 What happens when OpenGL ES context gets lost during the rendering process? Sep 07 17:20:30 Or during context restoration Sep 07 17:20:33 SiPlus: it will be recreated. Sep 07 17:20:38 By application Sep 07 17:20:45