**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 05 02:59:58 2013 Oct 05 03:05:39 Well, I became a programmer to make games because convincing a programmer to work on the things I wanted was harder. Oct 05 03:05:55 exactly :D Oct 05 03:05:58 I have yet to actually make a game though, which is kind of sad. Oct 05 03:06:02 you should take charge Oct 05 03:06:11 anyone have any tips to getting a java command line application to run in android studio? Oct 05 03:06:16 Yeah, making a game is the rite of passage! Oct 05 03:07:17 jayenwstrom, they have an option to show android studio Oct 05 03:08:26 jaynewstrom: External tools. Oct 05 03:08:31 Run as usual. Oct 05 03:09:44 Nilium: make a simple game or better somthing you can add on to slowly Oct 05 03:10:13 Nilium: what do you mean external tools? Oct 05 03:10:39 Sorry guys, but have you visited www.google.com Oct 05 03:11:46 arpx: flat design? what are you referencing? Oct 05 03:13:31 ⌘, → External tools Oct 05 03:15:21 Nilium: I think I didn't explain that well. I have a generator, source code that runs as a command line app. to put files into my project. Oct 05 03:16:02 Write a plugin or give up, in that case. Oct 05 03:16:40 I don't know that IntelliJ is particularly friendly to automation. Oct 05 03:17:00 jaynewstrom its pretty easy Oct 05 03:17:05 you need to use the Exec task Oct 05 03:17:08 Yeah, at work I have something very similar. And I just use eclipse to run the generator Oct 05 03:17:13 nothing to do with AS, its gradle Oct 05 03:17:27 Unless your only interest is running the tool, in which case: external tools. Oct 05 03:17:38 g00s: ok. I'll look into that Oct 05 03:17:54 jaynewstrom i'll post a snippet in a second Oct 05 03:17:58 I don't know how to explain it beyond external tools. It's literally the settings entry's name. Oct 05 03:18:02 g00s: you rock Oct 05 03:20:29 jaynewstrom hereyou go http://pastebin.com/hZuBCNaP Oct 05 03:20:47 this was for a libraryProject; i think if its an app you use applicationVariant or somethng Oct 05 03:20:59 well, this worked on 0.5.7 of gradle plugin Oct 05 03:21:10 i think they may have added a new hook call preBuild - need to check it out Oct 05 03:22:36 g00s: so this is a GreenDAO generator. so it has dependencies for that. and AS compiles it fine. It just wont run the thing. Oct 05 03:25:15 Also, check out the Script Monkey plugin Oct 05 03:25:22 Though I don't know if you can install that in Android Studio. Oct 05 03:31:16 i was reading a bug, where somebody deployed an app using AppCompat, and it was breaking on GB phones because of gradle ... Oct 05 03:31:21 hi Oct 05 03:31:35 i couldn't figure out how the heck Oct 05 03:31:56 but … the google guy said, for production code, use eclipse / adt :P Oct 05 03:32:34 thats cause Android Studio is an Early Access Preview!! Oct 05 03:32:40 maybe they underestimated the # of people wanting to make the switch and needing something moderately stable Oct 05 03:32:50 arpx yup Oct 05 03:33:02 one poor guy , converted like 60 apps to gradle Oct 05 03:33:14 (which has me suspicious, what kind of apps these could be) Oct 05 03:33:16 * Nilium doesn't use an IDE for his building and stuff so finds these dependencies silly Oct 05 03:33:32 but anyhow, then it stopped building right and he was in a big jam Oct 05 03:33:42 gradle is (in my humble opinion) a toy compared to ant Oct 05 03:35:02 I use eclipse because I cant remember libraries and such worth a damn Oct 05 03:35:07 and ants an overly complex POS…. Oct 05 03:35:29 arpx see #2 http://ianskerrett.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/eclipse-community-survey-results-for-2013/ Oct 05 03:36:30 last para - nothng to do with what we were talking about - "At the same time, there was a significant drop in the overall satisfaction with Eclipse." Oct 05 03:36:44 eclipse guys have to get their game on Oct 05 03:36:50 but they are having resource problems Oct 05 03:37:10 so what are the (real) ant alternatives? Oct 05 03:37:37 good question… depends on the needs Oct 05 03:37:52 I do well with PREMAKE + what ever target build system you want Oct 05 03:38:06 its still x100 simpler then anything complex in ant Oct 05 03:38:54 I'm talking about a simple android project without any extra libraries or dependencies. Oct 05 03:39:12 ant would be fine for that Oct 05 03:39:26 use ant then Oct 05 03:39:53 Im think ing of a MMO and I had ant with a passion and would gladly replace it with any scripting lanuage Oct 05 03:39:53 i remember going frame make to ant, thinking "thats slow" Oct 05 03:40:10 now, going from gradle to ant "holy crap, thats fast!" Oct 05 03:41:44 outside of android i guess i would still be using maven; i'm just using gradle cause thats what google is pushing Oct 05 03:42:41 which is why i'm kinda reluctant to put the effort into learning it (groovy, etc) - together kinda steep learning curve - becuase i doubt i'd use it anywhere else Oct 05 03:42:48 if i was using scale, it would be sbt Oct 05 03:42:59 clojure, their build system Oct 05 03:43:33 seems like open source, pretty much everybody settled on maven Oct 05 03:43:46 clojure = leiningen Oct 05 03:43:54 What is so great about maven? Oct 05 03:44:07 its more declarative than ant Oct 05 03:44:16 ant was more declarative than make Oct 05 03:45:14 Make is old and rather dumb. Even your hated ant is better. Oct 05 03:46:03 really early java devs used make :) hehe, the old days Oct 05 03:47:19 gradle is more like scons Oct 05 03:49:11 so which one? gradle, ant or maven Oct 05 03:49:27 arpx for what situation? your simple app? probably doesn't matter Oct 05 03:50:05 ant. Oct 05 03:50:26 Where's Romain Guy moving to? Oct 05 03:50:36 napster huh ? Oct 05 03:50:46 `android create project [-p etc]; ant debug/release` ... done. Oct 05 03:50:49 napster: he said he's staying at google, just moving to another project Oct 05 03:51:01 oh, I see Oct 05 03:51:02 outside of android ? Oct 05 03:51:07 yes Oct 05 03:51:10 wow Oct 05 03:51:24 https://plus.google.com/+RomainGuy/posts Oct 05 03:52:18 hmm, I suppose he will be moving to Glass!? Oct 05 03:52:37 tsk, he can't spell "Grand Theft Auto" Oct 05 03:53:19 :) Oct 05 03:53:22 if dianne h moves, i'd be kinda worried Oct 05 03:53:32 but i worry a lot so , heh Oct 05 03:54:15 * pragma- is also annoyed that his period is inside the parens instead of outside. That should be "Today is my last day on the Android team at Google (I will remain at Google)." Oct 05 03:56:59 Any ideas of why this intent filter: http://pastebin.com/9S1sv0ZS is not matching this URL: http://www.targeteverywhere.com/test.nzb Oct 05 03:57:05 Screw Hackborn. She ruined CyanogenMod's multi-window thing but didn't say anything against Samsung doing it. Oct 05 03:57:58 what can she do about sammy? sergey probably couldn't do anything about sammy Oct 05 04:04:32 I have an activity that starts out with a fragment. That activity is handling orientation changes through onConfigurationChanged. On configuration change to portrait and landscape I'm doing a FragmentTranscation.replace() on the fragment id and committing it. I have two layouts one in layouts and one in layouts-land. Now when going to landscape i see it switch to the landscape layout. When it comes back to portrait, I see the portrait layout. But when I Oct 05 04:04:33 at the view hierarchy, after landscape and then after portrait, I'm seeing that the FrameLayout is added twice but actually one is under the other. It should be replacing the fragment but it's not. Anyone think they might be able to help figure this out? Oct 05 05:29:58 hmm high res icon Oct 05 05:30:04 all i have is low res =( Oct 05 06:18:11 you could take the icon on a trip to amsterdam Oct 05 07:02:25 SimonVT: crashlytics plugin for android studio left beta yesterday if you still wanted to try it out Oct 05 07:07:27 f2prateek hah, you remember SimonVT 's trials and tribulations with that :D Oct 05 07:09:29 i wonder if facebook's buck is worth a try Oct 05 07:09:37 for builds Oct 05 07:10:12 since we were all talking about ant, mvn, and gradle Oct 05 07:10:23 buck + ivy, hmm Oct 05 07:45:50 f2prateek: ugh >.< Oct 05 07:48:21 jasta there by any chance ? Oct 05 08:40:46 Does the Activity class implements Oct 05 08:53:13 Loaders Callbacks ? Oct 05 08:57:56 <^cheeky> g00s: hey man my fan died .. cant operate. but i wanna thank you for the convo .. i remember you mentioned about service intents and handlers and all ... refactorying my code so much .. thank you Oct 05 08:57:59 ? Oct 05 08:58:21 <^cheeky> and thank the # for everything as well learn alot .. till i get my laptop repaired .. ill be !connected :( Oct 05 09:01:21 ^cheeky :) Oct 05 09:01:41 ^cheeky maybe get a laptop cooler :D Oct 05 09:02:12 <^cheeky> hahahaha, have to hand it to apple tho .. this baby is tough .. knock on wood Oct 05 09:02:20 * ^cheeky knock on the table Oct 05 09:02:26 <^cheeky> *knocks Oct 05 09:02:54 <^cheeky> i should have just stuck to programming a flash light lol , but this project taught me alot tho .. hehe but not compelete Oct 05 09:03:05 <^cheeky> i ordered a fan hope it gets here by friday Oct 05 09:04:33 Does the android api provide any JSON utils ? Oct 05 09:04:57 ^cheeky: can you underclock your cpu ? Oct 05 09:05:21 bluesm_: https://developer.android.com/index.html#q=json Oct 05 09:06:08 <^cheeky> shmoooz: havent looked into it , but still right now my i am 53 C @ 000rpms lol Oct 05 09:08:46 i can never remember whats better , jackson or gson Oct 05 09:08:55 i think napalm had an idea there Oct 05 09:09:00 hm Oct 05 09:10:12 <^cheeky> 18 dollar fan .. hope it works :/ Oct 05 09:10:41 I've never been a fan of fans Oct 05 09:11:54 one of the nice things about the Surface 2 Pro is it doesn't have a fan; although i couldn't really see the one on the 1st gen Oct 05 09:12:20 its always the first thing that breaks and melts the rest of your pc Oct 05 09:12:32 or starts making weird noises :( Oct 05 09:13:47 <^cheeky> yeah mine made a wierd noise .. when i turned it on Oct 05 09:17:59 Hm, takes 37s for my VM to simply loop and increment an integer from 0 to 268435455. That's sad. Oct 05 09:18:27 Well, 6s when not in debug mode. Nevermind. Oct 05 09:19:26 i published hours ago and still cant find in store Oct 05 09:19:38 i think google is unfairly discriminating against me Oct 05 09:26:22 hm, Calendar app passes a handler from an activity to an IntentService, serioulsy wtf Oct 05 09:28:18 <^cheeky> g00s: wait thats what i am doing or i think iam dong thats a bad move ? Oct 05 09:29:25 <^cheeky> is it bad to get all the items in yoru grid view .. lets say 100 items package it up as an array like of url links and send it to an activity that has a fragment and a pageadapter ? Oct 05 09:30:22 100 items? Oct 05 09:30:35 if 100 ids, Uri, pointers, probably OK Oct 05 09:30:42 although, kinda lot Oct 05 09:30:56 if item = something big, no thats not good Oct 05 09:30:57 <^cheeky> yeah urls as strings Oct 05 09:31:01 ok Oct 05 09:31:05 should be ok Oct 05 09:31:35 <^cheeky> coz that activity has an intent service to threadpool to grab an image for each of the links Oct 05 09:32:58 o.o Oct 05 09:33:06 time to go to bed Oct 05 09:33:13 <^cheeky> night man Oct 05 09:33:16 <^cheeky> thanks alot tho Oct 05 09:33:17 gnight Oct 05 09:33:22 <^cheeky> :)) Oct 05 10:07:07 Hm, down to 4.5-ish seconds, but that's still trash. Oct 05 10:07:15 Where's a profiler when I need one. Oct 05 10:10:09 guys I need help with understanding of how to bind OES extensions Oct 05 10:10:22 i have some glwrapper.h file that includes proper headers Oct 05 10:10:55 and there's declarations like this PFNGLBINDVERTEXARRAYOESPROC glBindVertexArrayOES; Oct 05 10:11:03 *declaration Oct 05 10:11:38 and I have game.cpp file that should bind pointer like this: glBindVertexArrayOES = ( PFNGLBINDVERTEXARRAYOESPROC ) eglGetProcAddress("glBindVertexArrayOES" ); Oct 05 10:12:16 C++ requires a type specifier for all declarations Oct 05 10:12:16 glBindVertexArrayOES = ( PFNGLBINDVERTEXARRAYOESPROC ) eglGetProcAddress("glBindVertexArrayOES" ); Oct 05 10:12:17 but I'm getting error : Oct 05 10:12:34 C++ requires a type specifier for all declarations Oct 05 10:12:42 on this line Oct 05 11:05:52 hi all Oct 05 11:06:58 Hi Oct 05 11:17:05 Does anybody know if/how you can assign more than 1 CPU to an emulated android device? I'm trying to develop for kindle tabets but for some reason when I run emulators they take up 99% of Core 1 and still run terribly slow. (host runs an i7 so it shouldn't use that much to begin with...) Oct 05 11:32:44 Guys do I need to check state of external knowledge if I just call camera intent? Oct 05 13:19:47 Hey all. I'm having issues geocoding input addresses. I can get the geocoding to work on an older device, but not on a Nexus 4. Any ideas on how to handle this? Oct 05 13:25:19 This is my current code & description of the problem: https://gist.github.com/hectron/6840908 Oct 05 13:25:37 In short, I believe that the google play services library might be the culprit. Any advice? Oct 05 13:47:48 hello Oct 05 13:48:02 why do i get tons of empty email messages from users **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 05 13:53:24 2013 Oct 05 14:09:54 romainguy: good luck with your new job Oct 05 14:49:29 hi , is there this component in android ? http://imagebin.org/272824 Oct 05 14:49:41 a numeric picker Oct 05 15:17:44 newinandroid: that's an ios component Oct 05 15:17:56 if you wanted something similar in android look at the Spinner class Oct 05 15:18:41 my users keep sending me blank emails Oct 05 15:18:49 does someone else get such emails as well Oct 05 15:19:31 jaynewstrom, i 'm using a custom Numeri Stepper Oct 05 15:19:53 *Numeric Steppers Oct 05 15:44:07 hello everyone Oct 05 15:44:36 Hey Oct 05 15:44:49 whats up Oct 05 15:45:46 Just fighting gradle :p Oct 05 15:46:55 I use ant, gradle is still a minor project Oct 05 15:53:30 Yeah, gradle does some really powerful stuff though. I like it a lot. When it works Oct 05 15:54:20 gradle still has a lot of room for improvement, it has potential to send ant and maven to the graveyardd Oct 05 15:56:48 Yeah. I think the android integration is actually pretty good. I just haven't used it enough to actually understand what I'm doing with some of the more complicated stuff Oct 05 15:57:34 oh ok Oct 05 15:58:26 I don't know if this control will be an edittext or a textview until runtime. is there a way to make an edittext not editable or what should I do? Oct 05 15:59:02 Can you switch to a textview????? Oct 05 15:59:10 setVisibility Oct 05 15:59:12 use both Oct 05 15:59:18 well I don't understand since it seems hardcoded in the xml Oct 05 15:59:39 oh just whichever is visible will be there and put both in the xml? Oct 05 15:59:45 don't you have the xml? you can add another component to the xml Oct 05 15:59:49 yes Oct 05 15:59:52 ok thanks Oct 05 16:00:30 pretty common problem textView.setKeyListener(null); Oct 05 16:03:04 I will try both suggestions and see how they work thanks Oct 05 16:10:12 How do I add another folder to the sources path in gradle? Oct 05 16:11:09 I never bothered playing with my tools, except for maybe vim :) Oct 05 16:12:42 wish they had vim keybindings in eclipse Oct 05 16:13:22 Download a couple of plugins!! :) Oct 05 16:16:56 holy fuck, I got it. that was a huge was of fucking time Oct 05 16:30:38 zmuser3, you can buy viplugin Oct 05 16:31:05 k Oct 05 16:37:11 hello, does anyone have any experience integrating the Deezer SDK into an Android project ? I am trying to simply set it up and do a "hello world " project to see if I have the deezer api working but I am getting the error java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com.deezer.sdk.DeezerConnectImpl, I have followed the steps in the developer website, I am wondering what else can I do to figure out what's goin on ? Oct 05 16:50:52 p_l, hello Oct 05 16:51:21 p_l, remember me? Oct 05 16:54:34 p_l, I've only come to tell you that in the end I could fix the problem. Oct 05 16:54:35 He had to sign the other system applications to make it work. It was signed framework-res.apk and twframwork and everything worked when restarting. Oct 05 16:55:48 In case anyone has the same problem. Oct 05 17:27:51 Is there a code sample that uses SensorManager.getOrientation() and not the deprecated version? Oct 05 17:54:42 I'm rather new to all this, so please excuse the potentially annoying questions... Can anyone help me install Google Play in an android emulator? Also, I tried out the x86 accelerator, and tried it via just changing the CPU/ABI of an existing machine from ARM to x86. Many of the widgets, however, don't work. Just wondering if anyone ould point me in the right directin. Thanks! Oct 05 17:54:49 direction* Oct 05 17:58:19 Google Play won't work in emulator. Oct 05 18:01:20 dev guide says to use PreferenceFragment. does that class go in its own file or can it go in the activity? Oct 05 18:03:54 zmuser3, learn java before asking dumb questions like that Oct 05 18:05:26 pfn: +1 Oct 05 18:07:21 well the example shows it public. I have a private class inside this activity already. does public/private matter if it is in the same file? Oct 05 18:09:53 this is java related question Oct 05 18:10:09 ok I see what you mean, not android specific Oct 05 18:10:33 you'd better ask in ##java Oct 05 18:10:50 those guys will cut my huevos off, I have been in that channel before Oct 05 18:11:29 eah that channel turned toxic Oct 05 18:26:36 is there any way to check how much heap can you allocate at max? Oct 05 18:32:53 does anybody have a problem with ndk's shared_ptr like undefined reference to __atomic_load ? Oct 05 18:35:11 Mavrik: getRuntime().maxMemory() Oct 05 18:35:29 that seems to be giving me wrong info on emulator Oct 05 18:35:50 (I have GC telling me heap is 87% full, constantly running with max 16 MB, while maxMemory tells me I have more than 30MB available) Oct 05 18:37:41 There's ActivityManager#getMemoryClass() as well (haven't checked validity of either, just know that the APIs exist) Oct 05 18:40:57 Is there a way to run ADB on Raspberry Pi ? On ARM architecture ? Oct 05 18:44:41 bluesm_: you can compile your own ADB, iirc Oct 05 18:46:07 zmuser3, so yeah,why do you think you should subject us to the same stupid questions that ##java won't tolerate? Oct 05 18:46:10 zmuser3, you have 0 respect Oct 05 18:47:08 Is there a code sample that uses SensorManager.getOrientation() to get the orientation? Oct 05 18:50:33 I am not. I just didn't think about it not being android specific Oct 05 18:52:57 the idea that knowing some strict compiler rules makes you respected, well, ok fine feel free to think that Oct 05 18:55:04 Does mediaplayer not work for vorbis livestreams in 2.3.3? Oct 05 18:57:43 p_l: Ok. I will inspect that. Thanks :) Oct 05 20:01:25 Hey all. I'm having issues geocoding input addresses. I can get the geocoding to work on an older device, but not on a Nexus 4. Any ideas on how to handle this? Oct 05 20:01:29 This is my current code & description of the problem: https://gist.github.com/hectron/6840908 Oct 05 20:01:35 In short, I believe that the google play services library might be the culprit. Any advice? Oct 05 20:03:48 hi, I'm doing the MyFirstApp tutorial on developer.android.com and running my app on an SGS4 mini. I've defined my layout as instructed but when playing with the app I noticed this: http://i.imgur.com/J4APRaX.png - when I type a long sequence of narrow characters, the cursor slowly moves out of sync with the actual characters. what's going on? Oct 05 20:04:48 (that's just l's in the screenshot, no whitespace) Oct 05 20:05:18 Is this actually on your phone, ahihi ? Oct 05 20:05:30 yes Oct 05 20:05:43 It seems as if there's some padding/margin. Oct 05 20:06:15 What does your layout *.xml file look like? Oct 05 20:06:42 http://sprunge.us/iLWg?xml Oct 05 20:07:28 It might be that layout_width. Oct 05 20:07:37 hmm i published an alpha apk last night and still cant find on google play search Oct 05 20:07:53 Play around with adjusting layout_width and weight ahihi . Oct 05 20:08:08 ProfElm: this is straight from the tutorial... Oct 05 20:13:31 seems like some kind of font rendering but, but I don't see it in any other app :/ Oct 05 20:13:41 s/but/bug/ Oct 05 20:18:32 Hey, anyone knows about Google for education program? What does it mean for app developers? Oct 05 20:37:40 jesus christ. google admob / play developer experiece is abysmally poor. this is unconscionable Oct 05 20:43:22 how you could employ so many people, while spectacularly failing to maintain documentation on core business features, is sickening to consider Oct 05 20:47:14 works fine Oct 05 20:47:16 you fail? Oct 05 20:47:17 ahihi: yes, it looks like its a rounding issue. The cursor is using floats to calculate its position but the letters are using integer offsets. Oct 05 20:47:20 kthyxbye Oct 05 20:47:59 ahihi: it could be the font-itself as samsung use their own system font or perhaps its to do with your language selection, but yes, it does look like a bug Oct 05 20:56:41 Napalm: it turns out I had minSdkVersion and targetSdkVersion unspecified. after setting those, it works correctly (and the look-and-feel is more modern) :) Oct 05 20:58:36 hey, is the contextual action bar implemented in the v7 actionbar support library? Oct 05 21:01:21 nvm Oct 05 21:09:47 ahihi: its probably a bug in a previous version and the way it handles text, which has since been rectified but it was kept for backwards compatibility Oct 05 21:13:48 is there a way to make the tick in a contextual action bar a cross? Oct 05 22:07:41 whats the 'correct' way to add an 'up' button to the actionbar in a PreferenceActivity? Oct 05 22:08:09 same as a normal activity Oct 05 23:20:30 How do you normally include library projects that aren't on maven central for your gradle projects? Oct 05 23:21:06 I managed to get Volley working. just downloaded the git repo and added the volley/src directory under srcDirs in my build.gradle. But that doesn't seem ideal Oct 05 23:24:03 jaynewstrom you have a few options; use mvn install to put it in the mavenLocal() cache Oct 05 23:24:24 or you could build the jar and just put in in your projects lib/ dir Oct 05 23:24:32 and add that fileTree as a dependency Oct 05 23:24:41 all this is in the gradle plugin examples Oct 05 23:25:51 the only one that seems reasonable is the mavenLocal(), but then you would have to keep it up to date yourself. which sucks. Oct 05 23:26:32 they really should put Volley somewhere sane, like one of the 2 sdk-manager managed repositories Oct 05 23:26:46 agreed. Oct 05 23:26:46 i wonder if somebody built it and threw it up on maven central Oct 05 23:27:00 i searched. But I didn't find anything Oct 05 23:27:20 then again, I'm not a maven expert or a gradle expert. So my searching skills are limited Oct 05 23:28:24 there was a really interesting discussion about maven on hacker news today Oct 05 23:28:46 reminded me of facebook's buck build system; i need to ask jasta a few questions about it Oct 06 00:01:19 ugh, awesome, I just found out that none of my kitchen outlets are properly grounded Oct 06 00:01:47 ugh Oct 06 00:02:05 kitchen usually uses quite amount of power Oct 06 00:02:14 and its source of water Oct 06 00:02:16 bad combo Oct 06 00:02:28 be gklad nobody died there Oct 06 00:03:31 well, the side with the sink is grounded, other side isnt Oct 06 00:04:08 but yeah, water still hits the other side Oct 06 00:04:16 yeah Oct 06 00:04:30 fork and toasster Oct 06 00:05:12 yeah, none of my gfci outlets work on this side... Oct 06 00:05:16 thats still deadly but less with ground Oct 06 00:06:47 do not look forward to ripping up the walls to fix it Oct 06 00:08:34 fun. Oct 06 00:09:29 if you want to sell the house eventually, probably a good idea (if you do it yourself) to have somebody look it over Oct 06 00:10:53 I do it flawless :p Oct 06 00:11:36 it's the people who did it before me and the ones I hire that worry me Oct 06 00:12:00 what will you choose for the ground? i dont know what they do , pipe? steak in the ground somewhere ? Oct 06 00:12:23 wire to a pipe in the crawl space Oct 06 00:12:54 ... shouldn't there be proper ground point? Oct 06 00:13:07 yeah, that's the ground stake Oct 06 00:13:20 which all the ground wires inevitably lead to Oct 06 00:13:36 oh yeah, don't want cycles Oct 06 00:31:09 pfn: some go to the reinforcement structure Oct 06 01:49:40 Is there some java cross-referencing tool that works as a service? [something like the eclim + eclipse combination, essentially. But hopefully, less heavyweight!] Oct 06 02:04:28 kbs would be nice Oct 06 02:08:12 kbs is this for emacs / vim / ST ? Oct 06 02:13:57 hi Oct 06 02:15:20 g00s: yeah, pretty much Oct 06 02:16:15 it would be nice if eclipse had a real headless mode Oct 06 02:16:24 without the workbench, etc Oct 06 02:16:42 yeah, indeed. Oct 06 02:17:15 I had the impression that Steve Yegge was working away on something he called Grok, but i haven't heard much about it; or even whether it makes sense in this context. Oct 06 02:18:56 the tricky bit is (as seems obvious in hindsight!) is that useful searching needs some smarts on the calling context as well as the search term. [eg: find me the type that matches "super" is a context-dependent search] so tools that do straight up xref sorts of searches aren't helpful... Oct 06 02:20:36 i wonder if Yegge still uses emacs Oct 06 02:21:34 heh. You think he's gone over to the *air quotes* dark side finally? I saw some techtalk he gave a year back I think; seemed like he was fooling around with emacs [as a grok client.] Oct 06 02:24:05 i haven't heard from him much lately. maybe he uses google+ (which i dont) Oct 06 02:36:17 g00s: I'd say it depends on what he does at work... Oct 06 02:36:32 yeah, i have no idea what he does any more Oct 06 02:36:44 i know that he's not working on a cat picture project, but thats about it Oct 06 02:36:48 and yes, he does in fact still talk on G+ :P Oct 06 02:37:05 including the infamous "Oops, sent to the wrong domain" post ;D Oct 06 02:38:28 :) Oct 06 02:39:53 at least now (I suspect related to introduction of G+ as part of GApps for Bussiness) the internal links get redirected to public ones if the content is available outside internal sandbox... Oct 06 02:44:58 p_l are you still working on putting together an android dev setup that runs on modest hardware ? Oct 06 02:45:49 i think my MBP might die, i looked at what it would take to convert an arm based chromebook for android dev using crouton or something; but seems like the android tools are not compat with arm Oct 06 02:46:17 g00s: Well, I've been looking at ChromeOS, but Android is just for my hobby projects for now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 06 02:59:58 2013