**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 11 02:59:58 2013 Oct 11 03:00:22 shaun413: make a compass that looks like an old school compass Oct 11 03:00:30 nah Oct 11 03:00:39 do you guys know of a good site that blogs about android apps Oct 11 03:01:25 http://www.androidcentral.com/ ? Oct 11 03:01:40 I got it, an app idea app, that users can post ideas of apps into Oct 11 03:02:08 skywell anything else Oct 11 03:02:32 linuxuz3r: http://androidandme.com/ Oct 11 03:02:44 http://androinica.com/ Oct 11 03:02:57 http://www.droiddog.com/ Oct 11 03:04:27 shaun413: picture to text to speech app. Oct 11 03:04:29 anyone know if there is a dev channel for UI design? Oct 11 03:04:38 picture? Oct 11 03:05:18 take a pic with camera, use tesseract to grab text, have the phone say the tetx Oct 11 03:05:20 text* Oct 11 03:05:44 that would take him 24 years Oct 11 03:06:09 hey! Oct 11 03:13:51 that exists Oct 11 03:14:26 of course it does. Oct 11 03:14:30 ha Oct 11 03:15:58 shaun413 i have an idea; can you write some kind of viewer for a pandaboard so i can deploy / test my apps there, but tunnel he screen like its running in a emu window on my box? Oct 11 03:16:08 what? Oct 11 03:16:19 screen and keyboard ;) Oct 11 03:16:24 hmm Oct 11 03:17:24 kinda like a VNC Oct 11 03:18:23 or a beaglebone Oct 11 03:19:11 i think google should have done something like this a long time ago, since the emu sucks. they should have provided images for something like this http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black Oct 11 03:19:25 and then you just ran a viewer on your machine; to interact with it Oct 11 03:20:32 still 1/2 the cost of a yearly iOS membership :D Oct 11 03:21:40 theres remote desktop for android Oct 11 03:22:09 I tested it, pretty effective, besides from rather low speed for screen draw Oct 11 03:22:33 i'm trying to avoid the process of registration in my app. is it secure to authorize user with his android_id and phone number? Oct 11 03:24:11 golubeff, what happens when he changes phones and can't use it because the id doesn't match Oct 11 03:24:37 Q48VW: that's fine, i want my app to be linked to a specific device Oct 11 03:24:43 ah Oct 11 03:25:03 I thought you meant preventing apk sharing and such Oct 11 03:25:28 Q48VW: no, no, not at all Oct 11 03:25:46 Q48VW: just want to get rid of registration activity in my app Oct 11 03:25:52 gotcha Oct 11 03:27:26 http://android-developers.blogspot.hk/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html Oct 11 03:30:48 Leeds, well, yes, I can submit my Android ID, but what prevents an intruder to use my Android ID to get a valid session? Oct 11 03:31:06 er... what? Oct 11 03:32:19 My goal is to authenticate a user. It means server must be sure, that this specific request is coming from this specific device, not from another device, which is sending spoofing traffic. Oct 11 03:33:57 then you should use actual authentication Oct 11 03:34:28 agh Oct 11 03:36:17 netburst Oct 11 03:37:43 you can hash together a few unique IDs on the phone, but be careful doing so ( see security vulnerabilities in grindr/blinder ) Oct 11 03:38:32 bankai_: what exactly I should be careful about? Oct 11 03:38:41 bankai_: what kind of vulns looking for Oct 11 03:39:21 certain things can be spoofed, but if you tie together several identifiers and hash them, you can reduce the risk Oct 11 03:39:41 as as leeds said, you're better to just use proper auth ( OAUTH for example ) Oct 11 03:41:54 bankai_: how can it be dangerous if it's hashed out. i like the way Blackberry identifies their users on bbm. there's no registration/login/anything. i just launch an app and it works. Oct 11 03:45:28 which has better android support; beagle or panda board ? Oct 11 03:45:37 ron_frown would know that ^^^ Oct 11 03:57:39 do you guys thing these outfits which go around offering to "boost your rating" (adding reviews / etc) also pick vulnerable projects and sink their ratings … while offering a lifesaver ? Oct 11 03:59:24 If they'll cheat the one they'll cheat the other Oct 11 04:00:13 then put up your mugshot and charge to take it down Oct 11 04:00:44 hi Oct 11 04:01:50 when i use a title without logo in ActionBar don't work click to back Oct 11 04:02:42 when i use logo png and i click on logo app to back previous screen but when i use title don't work the click Oct 11 04:03:25 are those questions? Oct 11 04:28:07 You shouldn't work the click but gently ease into it. Oct 11 04:28:48 Too many people force the work the click but the work the click is overbearing and makes it self-conscious click so you want to reassure it of its necessity and ease into the work the click role Oct 11 04:30:31 capella, my question... is: how can i improve click on title of ActionBar? Oct 11 04:30:50 Hi, if I've got listview items that aren't taking up the entire space of their respective layout, like Google "card" style. How do I hightlight the select element's sub view (the content view)? Oct 11 04:33:21 you mean how do you only highlight what they're taking up, and not the entire row? Oct 11 04:33:41 (there are also libs that emulate the card style; if that's your end goal I'd use one of them) Oct 11 04:35:21 as far as only highlighting your view and not the whole item row in listview - you'd have to override / turn off highlighting on the list view, then catch the event on your view. I don't recall the calls specifically but that should get you what you need. You can set if the listview row is clickable - actually if something inside it is clickable, it should disable the list row, so you could maybe get away with setting your view clickable and setti Oct 11 04:35:21 ng the background to the selectable attribute to get the highlighting effect Oct 11 04:36:56 dragorn: Yes, that's what I mean. Yeah, I'm already pretty close and basically just need the highlighting. Oct 11 04:37:05 Sorry, terribly late reply. Oct 11 04:37:33 not really, only typed that a minute or two ago Oct 11 04:38:24 so try setting your view clickable=true, and then background to "?android:attr/selectableItemBackground" Oct 11 04:38:51 on 4.x (or maybe 3.x, anyhow not 2.x) that will get you the on-click highlighting Oct 11 04:38:58 there's something similar in ABS Oct 11 04:38:59 But the background is already set to the card style background... Oct 11 04:39:09 I'm support 2.1 Oct 11 04:39:12 unfortunately. Oct 11 04:39:20 you'll have to modify the card style background to handle a click event and change Oct 11 04:39:40 I'll look into the libraryies I think lol. Oct 11 04:39:45 libraries* Oct 11 04:39:46 which i've never had to do, google up selectableItemBackground and you should find what you need Oct 11 04:39:50 it'll just be a style setting Oct 11 04:40:04 honestly, probably easier to use a lib, yeah Oct 11 04:40:20 Thanks for the help. Oct 11 04:40:21 and possibly more consistent, too, which is a big thing Oct 11 04:40:38 unless you're REALLY good at matching googles cards theming Oct 11 04:41:11 Yeah lol Oct 11 04:45:10 Guys I'm in a pickle. Oct 11 04:45:45 How can my main activity support actionbarcompat (ActionBarActivity) and also be a fragment activity for actionbar tab swiping? Oct 11 04:48:06 make it an actionbaractivity and use compat.v4 fragmentstateadapter Oct 11 04:48:13 it's actually in the examples for actionbar stuff Oct 11 04:48:31 Nay, target API level 16 as a minimum. Oct 11 04:48:57 targeting api 7 Oct 11 04:49:06 dragorn: thanks, i'm daft. Oct 11 04:49:15 desmin88: http://kismetwireless.net/gitweb/?p=android-smarterwifi.git;a=blob;f=SmarterWifiManager/src/main/java/net/kismetwireless/android/smarterwifimanager/MainActivity.java;h=5424d167dff4fb375d5a1043469f7f0e89b2b673;hb=HEAD Oct 11 04:49:15 7 ? Oct 11 04:49:35 g00s: yep, api 7 Oct 11 04:49:35 desmin88: is a compat main + actionbar + tabpager Oct 11 04:50:03 desmin88: for my needed levels of compat, anyhow, you should be able to get from there to something for whatever api levels you need Oct 11 04:50:09 thank you. Oct 11 04:50:31 desmin88: that's actually actionbar + nav + tab pager Oct 11 04:50:43 ah Oct 11 04:50:54 same effort really Oct 11 04:51:35 no, i lie Oct 11 04:51:39 shit, ignore that url Oct 11 04:51:47 i haven't pushed my new UI code to pub git yet Oct 11 04:51:48 ok. Oct 11 04:52:30 what is the purpose of homeasupenabled[true/false] around the nav mode setting? Oct 11 04:52:42 desmin88: http://durandal.kismetwireless.net/~dragorn/MainActivity.java Oct 11 04:52:55 danke. Oct 11 04:53:04 that's the compat ab + nav drawer + scrollable fragment pager Oct 11 04:54:04 should i be doing the homeasupenabled[true/false] before after i set the navigation mode? Oct 11 04:54:41 I don't think it matters if you set it before or after Oct 11 04:54:54 okay Oct 11 04:54:56 tho i guess if it acts wacky in one, set it to the other :P Oct 11 04:55:07 yea Oct 11 04:56:05 also of note in that code, onPostCreate and onConfigurationChanged overrides for remembering tab and drawer states Oct 11 04:56:17 and onSaveInstanceState Oct 11 04:56:55 otherwise you'll get weird behavior when you rotate - generally the fragmentstatepager will remember where you left your tab, but the actionbar won't, and then scrolling is very odd for the user Oct 11 04:58:06 i see Oct 11 04:58:44 thanks for the help Oct 11 05:19:38 anyone tried out codeNameOne? Oct 11 05:22:18 first time i heard of it Oct 11 05:22:59 all their examples look like poop though Oct 11 05:26:58 JakeWharton if you're around, have you ever used the gradle multi-project builds? i'm trying to figure out when they are worth it vs just having separate top level library-projects Oct 11 05:27:22 i have a repo with 16 modules and two apps Oct 11 05:27:53 hm, is this on github ? :) Oct 11 05:27:58 no. work Oct 11 05:28:01 ah, ok Oct 11 05:28:23 it's no different than any other multi-module gradle build Oct 11 05:29:40 JakeWharton: Any idea why your disklrucache may throw an exception like the directory is invalid at startup, or something like that? Oct 11 05:30:23 not without more info Oct 11 05:31:13 JakeWharton: another question... you seem to be pretty familiar with a lot of libraries... What would you use for loading images, and network requests? volley? picasso? okhttp? something else? Oct 11 05:32:03 i mean, i wrote most of Picasso and contribute heavily to OkHttp... Oct 11 05:32:25 JakeWharton: how would you compare it to volley? Oct 11 05:32:40 for images? Oct 11 05:32:52 JakeWharton: for caching images.... Oct 11 05:33:05 and then volley vs okhttp... Oct 11 05:33:14 those are apples and oranges Oct 11 05:33:20 if you're using volley, use it with okhttp! Oct 11 05:34:17 I may not know exactly what each library offers Oct 11 05:34:39 okhttp is a standalone implementation of HttpUrlConnection with more features than the native version Oct 11 05:34:53 JakeWharton: is it faster and lightwayer? Oct 11 05:35:03 do you know this one: https://github.com/nostra13/Android-Universal-Image-Loader ? Oct 11 05:35:10 of course Oct 11 05:35:18 that's what I link when I show people how not to make APIs Oct 11 05:36:10 what dont you like about that one? Oct 11 05:37:17 well, the API is nothing short of a train wreck on top of a sinking ship inside a star going supernova Oct 11 05:39:09 hey Guys Oct 11 05:39:17 I like picasso for image loading Oct 11 05:39:25 I'm trying to use Android Studio [trunk] Android SDK is not specified or cannot be parsed Oct 11 05:39:48 I get this error, although Android SDK is shown in default project settings ? Oct 11 05:41:44 JakeWharton: any particular concrete examples? Oct 11 05:42:01 of their bad API? just read that README Oct 11 05:43:00 the configuration options are insane and conflate any actual utility Oct 11 05:43:26 JakeWharton: what do you think of https://github.com/square/picasso? Oct 11 05:43:30 the defaults are terrible Oct 11 05:43:34 desmin88: i wrote that Oct 11 05:43:44 no fuckin shit, eh? Oct 11 05:43:56 good work Oct 11 05:44:13 thanks. it was me and one other all-around badass i work with Oct 11 05:44:24 he deserves a lot of credit for pushing v2 through Oct 11 05:46:35 JakeWharton: Can you take a look at this one: http://pastebin.com/kG20q70j ? Oct 11 05:47:47 what version are you on? Oct 11 05:50:16 1.3.1 Oct 11 05:53:32 JakeWharton: So your advise would be to use Picasso on top of Volley on top of okHTTP? Oct 11 05:53:47 upgrade your disklrucache Oct 11 05:54:28 Picasso sits on top of an HTTP client like HttpUrlConnection or OkHttp Oct 11 05:54:40 you will only get disk caching on pre-ICS by using OkHttp Oct 11 05:55:45 JakeWharton so about the gradle multi-project build; do the sub-projects ever publish artifacts to a repository? or - when that would be desired - is that the case when you break it out into its own project ? Oct 11 05:56:42 nobody in the repo publishes Oct 11 05:56:52 the two apps in the repo are the consumers Oct 11 05:57:12 modules would be broken out if there were consumers outside of the repo or something was going open source Oct 11 05:57:33 ok, thanks Oct 11 06:01:26 <^cheeky> blhh.. its soo hard to import a jar to android studio :( Oct 11 06:03:35 compile file('./foo/bar.jar') Oct 11 06:03:42 gradle > refresh Oct 11 06:03:44 done Oct 11 06:04:23 easy. breezy. beautiful. gradle girl. Oct 11 06:04:40 <^cheeky> :/ Oct 11 06:04:42 <^cheeky> :( Oct 11 06:05:11 <^cheeky> been @ this for hours, tried different permutations of methods google gave me Oct 11 06:07:01 <^cheeky> JakeWharton: the compile line goes into the build.gradle file right Oct 11 06:07:03 JakeWharton: what's pre-ICS? Oct 11 06:07:13 ^cheeky: yes. in dependencies Oct 11 06:07:31 gavilan2: cupcake, donut, eclair, froyo, gingerbread, honeycomb Oct 11 06:07:56 ahhh okay Oct 11 06:08:16 JakeWharton: Does OkHttp implement disk caching? Oct 11 06:08:24 yes. Oct 11 06:08:38 JakeWharton: What's the difference between volley and OkHttp then? Oct 11 06:09:00 volley is a high-level API and image downloder written on top of an HTTP client Oct 11 06:09:05 OkHttp is an HTTP client Oct 11 06:10:25 <^cheeky> JakeWharton: thats what i did, i even placed the jar in libraried folder in my project structure Oct 11 06:11:15 <^cheeky> *libraries Oct 11 06:12:52 What language is used to edit Android Source Code? Oct 11 06:13:06 brainfuck Oct 11 06:13:08 JakeWharton: What would be the advantage of using picasso with voley, rather than using voley alone? Oct 11 06:13:41 Tripplemin: Java and C Oct 11 06:13:46 oh.. Oct 11 06:13:50 and wat IDE? Oct 11 06:13:55 any Oct 11 06:14:01 Kay Oct 11 06:15:19 hey guys, I am following this android guide to create a settings page: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html#Fragment . The problem is it only works for android 3.0+, I have tried extending fragmentActivity and using getSupportFragmentManager but it's not working. Can anyone guide me? Oct 11 06:15:30 gavilan2: Picasso is purpose-built at both the API level and underlying library-level for image downloading, transforming, and caching. Volley is multi-faceted providing both image downloads and server calls through the same rails. Oct 11 06:16:07 JakeWharton: so... what does Picasso offer than volley doesn't? Oct 11 06:16:41 easier integration, better API, built-in image transformation support Oct 11 06:17:00 k Oct 11 06:17:16 does picasso support multiple CDNs? and dynamic priorities? Oct 11 06:17:46 multiple CDNs? give it whatever url you want and it hands it off the the underlying HTTP client. Picasso doesn't care Oct 11 06:17:53 does actionbarsherlock have it's own way of doing the settings page. I am reading in some comments on stackoverflow that I should be using sherlockpreferenceactivity Oct 11 06:17:53 what are "dynamic priorities"? Oct 11 06:18:00 JakeWharton: I have 2 urls for the same image.... Oct 11 06:18:14 JakeWharton: sometimes the CDNs go down so.... Oct 11 06:18:15 no Oct 11 06:18:24 :( Oct 11 06:19:03 JakeWharton: dynamic priorities, is that I put some images to download, but then the user does something and I tell it, wait, do these now because they are more important, finish does ones later.... Oct 11 06:19:17 I'd actually need that for network requests too Oct 11 06:19:34 BTW: does okHTTP block 1 thread per request? Oct 11 06:19:47 or does it do truly async I/O? Oct 11 06:20:49 <^cheeky> i spent .. 3 hours .. trying to sort this jar file :/ i fail .. i guess ill just have to write code .. and put it together myself .. and i sucuuuuck Oct 11 06:21:01 v2 in development does fully async for spdy/http2 and then hands off to a single thread after buffering a small amount to hand off to the caller Oct 11 06:22:02 the current v1 is just threads. fully async on a mobile device doesn't really give you much because the number of connections is so small Oct 11 06:22:22 this isn't a big beefy server with 1000 threads where end-to-end async would make a huge difference Oct 11 06:22:52 JakeWharton: OkHttp supports Android 2.2 ---> that kills me :$ Oct 11 06:24:12 v2 will probably be java6 and up Oct 11 06:24:52 it's so low level we could probably make it go back to API 1 Oct 11 06:25:42 <^cheeky> i am using picasso, Oct 11 06:26:17 <^cheeky> should have just kept working with it .. so far gotten me so far, but then my ADD kicks in and i get excited about all the other stuff lol Oct 11 06:26:19 <^cheeky> heh Oct 11 06:27:23 do I need to implement the settings page a different way if it's android 2.3 vs android 4.0 + ? Oct 11 06:27:32 <^cheeky> JakeWharton: i see there is a square image view, is that something i could use, to get the cropping of the images i grab off the tubes, to get the actual center of the pic, since i specified, centercrop, images dont show well, as in like peoples heas are cut odd and what not lol Oct 11 06:27:51 JakeWharton: 2.1 and I'll be happy :) Oct 11 06:28:03 you're going the wrong direction Oct 11 06:28:28 it probably works on 2.1 though. i'll leave it up to you to find out. Oct 11 06:28:30 <^cheeky> me ... :( .. ok what am i doing wrong Oct 11 06:28:35 <^cheeky> oh !me Oct 11 06:28:51 ^cheeky: SquareImageView is for layout, not image manipulation Oct 11 06:29:21 i'm not going to add face detection for cropping client-side Oct 11 06:29:45 JakeWharton: That's not reassuring... Oct 11 06:29:54 JakeWharton: What primitives does okHTTP uses? sockets? Oct 11 06:29:58 <^cheeky> but that would bee freaking cool , i .. errm .. hope i can add that feature to my app Oct 11 06:30:08 if you need smart cropping, use something like Thumbor on the server: https://github.com/globocom/thumbor/wiki/Detection-algorithms#facial-detection Oct 11 06:30:49 gavilan2: drop support for 2.1 and problem solved Oct 11 06:30:56 and yes, it uses sockets Oct 11 06:31:55 JakeWharton: Can't do that... Oct 11 06:32:13 JakeWharton: How do you avoid blocking 1 thread per request in v2? Oct 11 06:32:39 <^cheeky> ohhhh niiice , bookmarked and will implment once i get over this hurdle, .. if i want to use picasso using a thread pool i would have to create service and send intents to grab from net and then load it using picasso ? Oct 11 06:32:56 wat. Picasso uses a thread pool automatically Oct 11 06:33:22 Can we develop android app in python Oct 11 06:33:25 gavilan2: spdy and http2 go over one connection Oct 11 06:33:33 tarunbhardwaj: only if you like a world of hurt Oct 11 06:33:55 JakeWharton: why Oct 11 06:34:22 <^cheeky> JakeWharton: no no i am already hurting .. this is how much of a nooblet I.is Oct 11 06:34:41 JakeWharton: Python itself is so beautiful. Oct 11 06:34:45 JakeWharton: Adapter re-use is automatically detected and the previous download canceled ---> is there any way to "lower the priority" instead of canceling it? if you have a listview, then the user might go back up.... Oct 11 06:35:06 JakeWharton: With actionbarsherlock do I need to use SherlockPreferenceActivity for my settings page? Oct 11 06:35:25 gavilan2: no. existing downloads finish. you can preload with calls to .fetch() Oct 11 06:35:42 navetz: you don't have to... SPA puts an action bar on top of a preference activity Oct 11 06:35:46 hi, i have a request from marketing department, is it possible to stop sync only official email app? Oct 11 06:35:55 tarunbhardwaj: right. just not on Android Oct 11 06:36:55 JakeWharton: What's the min version for picasso? Oct 11 06:37:08 don't remember Oct 11 06:37:14 7 or 8 Oct 11 06:37:27 k Oct 11 06:38:41 general question... If I have 2 items with weight=1 and a layout with weight=2 and there is a 1 pixel separator in the layout... what will be the size of the items? screen size / 2 and screen size / 2 - 1 ? Oct 11 06:41:34 probably the latter Oct 11 06:41:41 check hierarchy viewer Oct 11 06:42:27 <^cheeky> excuse my noobness .. but in your example, you have isFinishing() .. and then you cancel it in the pause lifecycle ... Oct 11 06:43:07 <^cheeky> how do i get that callback ... isFinishing .. sorry i was a lil confused so i just put the canceling of the picasso.to target in my onDestroy method :( Oct 11 06:43:56 <^cheeky> and in pause . i just made check if the imageview if not null || if local picasso reference is not null then i cacel it in my onPause lifecycle callback Oct 11 06:44:27 I can't download the android source code Oct 11 06:44:55 Weird.. My app is crashing with no stacktrace Oct 11 06:48:37 JakeWharton: Ah I see, does actionbarsherlock have a implementation of preferencefragment? it seems that the support library doesn't like PreferenceFragment Oct 11 06:48:47 nope Oct 11 06:50:31 wtf. Oct 11 06:50:35 JakeWharton: :( well then, googles tutorial page seems to have left me stranded lol Oct 11 06:50:42 app has stopped. no stacktrace Oct 11 06:51:33 JakeWharton: are you still maintaining ABS now that google support API7+ ? Oct 11 06:51:57 yes... but you should just minSdkVersion="14" already Oct 11 06:52:28 really? that makes me uneasy :S Oct 11 06:52:43 why? Oct 11 06:53:03 google added support for api7+? does that mean it added what abs has been doing for the actionbar stuff? Oct 11 06:53:12 i have no valid justification for that comment, i've just always had 8 in my head Oct 11 06:53:13 yes Oct 11 06:53:31 bankai_: it's time to upgrade your development experience! Oct 11 06:53:44 awesome!, how continue to maintain abs then ? Oct 11 06:53:49 why * Oct 11 06:53:59 because it requires almost zero effort Oct 11 06:54:07 makes sense lol Oct 11 06:54:13 it's been stable for something like 18 months Oct 11 06:54:35 did you help google with their support library ? Oct 11 06:55:04 probably by wasting probably 100+ hours figuring what works and what doesn't Oct 11 06:55:30 probably probably probably Oct 11 06:55:34 i'm leaving. night Oct 11 06:55:58 cya Oct 11 07:11:15 JakeWharton: Any idea how stable and bug free voley is? Oct 11 07:18:00 g00s: have you seen the dropbox webpage? I just noticed the background watermark image that gets more vivid as you view it on angle Oct 11 08:11:53 anyone ever turned on/off the virtual mouse in android from java? Oct 11 08:12:13 some games on nvidia shield do that, but I have hard time finding how could I do it in my game. Oct 11 08:24:10 !request https://www.czechav.com/members/login/?next=/members/czech-casting/ (form) (EPOCH, CCBILL, EPGBILL) Oct 11 08:26:47 Hello, I need some help :( I've been spending _weeks_ with trying to extract text from a pdf in my android app, but it doesn't work *cry* I tried to read it as binary, but failed. Could you please help? I am completely stuck with this D: Is there a quick solution? Oct 11 08:28:40 capella let me see ... Oct 11 08:29:07 i dont notice anything Oct 11 08:29:14 i think its just you Oct 11 08:29:17 :) Oct 11 08:29:30 unless Im going nuts, from the top edge its transparent ... from the bottom edge its bright and green Oct 11 08:29:39 two differnt laptops doing it here Oct 11 08:30:01 capella adding a divider in my bookmarks toolbar increases its height by like 20 px Oct 11 08:30:06 O.o Oct 11 08:30:10 Its the files list page im looking at Oct 11 08:30:17 oh Oct 11 08:31:35 why cant i get the boundaries on my god damn bi-directional scrollview to function.. Oct 11 08:31:45 its gotta be a led/lcd thing Oct 11 08:32:24 someone knows a library pdf viewer that allows you: create thumbs'page, research and ome in page animation Oct 11 08:33:05 man, pdf on android is a bloodbath Oct 11 08:33:17 Yep :'( Oct 11 08:33:18 i didnt know you guys took requests like MrKeys88 asked for Oct 11 08:33:27 if you want pdf libs, you're going to have to pay for them :) Oct 11 08:33:48 xT Oct 11 08:34:08 the official adobe pdfl is licensed by Datalogics Oct 11 08:34:15 not sure if they have an android port Oct 11 08:34:28 its expensive probably, because getting it to work on android was suckass Oct 11 08:34:34 (i know those guys) Oct 11 08:38:53 wow, the 2nd book on 2d canvas stuff i've seen now http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Android-Graphics-Wallace-Jackson/dp/1430257857 Oct 11 08:41:05 also, "Android Programming: The Big Nerd Ranch Guide" is the deal of the day at informit.com / 50% off Oct 11 08:42:36 Goodmorning my friends. I want to put my app on Google's Play Store, but I don't want it to be downloaded yet, or restrict it for test users only, is that possible, or do I have to share my test app via a file transfer service? Oct 11 08:43:14 you can have a closed alpha/beta via G+ communities Oct 11 08:43:38 https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/3131213?hl=en Oct 11 08:47:35 Mavrik, thank you my friend, this looks good. Oct 11 09:06:26 Android dev is a PITA. Oct 11 09:10:56 <^cheeky> i feel like i didnt accomplish anything :(.... picasso did so much for me !!!!!!!! Oct 11 09:11:57 <^cheeky> but there are some quirks i am going to learn from that code, too bad i spend freaking 3 hours or so trying to implement volley into android studio, i was able to do it in eclipse but !aAS ........ because iam a N00000b :)) Oct 11 09:12:04 <^cheeky> so happy it freaking works Oct 11 09:12:20 meh. a user is complaining that my app is missing the options menu on a desire x phone. the app is pre-r11, and thus the "physical" menu button should appear in the android menu bar, but doesn't. Oct 11 09:14:21 oh wow. you need to long-press the switch-tasks button. great work, HTC. Oct 11 09:16:05 Ge0rG, why the hell do you still have an app requiring menu button in 2013? Oct 11 09:16:13 Mavrik: because I'm retro Oct 11 09:16:36 then don't whine about HTC Oct 11 09:17:01 if you're breaking 4-year old design guideline Oct 11 09:17:03 Mavrik: there are so many badly designed apps in the play store... Oct 11 09:17:04 <^cheeky> Mavrik: thats freaking awsome thank you Oct 11 09:19:15 <^cheeky> Mavrik: regarding having people test your code . cheers Oct 11 09:19:24 mhm :) Oct 11 09:19:34 I like how alot of larger apps use it already Oct 11 09:19:40 <^cheeky> oh .. Oct 11 09:19:46 <^cheeky> so then no point me putting up mine Oct 11 09:19:51 why? Oct 11 09:19:58 <^cheeky> since .. its really really .. my app EVER !!!! Oct 11 09:20:17 create a community for it, invite friends Oct 11 09:20:24 and they'll get beta versions directly from play store Oct 11 09:20:24 <^cheeky> yeah ... Oct 11 09:20:31 <^cheeky> ill try to sort something ot Oct 11 09:21:01 <^cheeky> that new right now is soo awsome i just finished and basic stuff of my app works soo freaking happy Oct 11 09:21:02 <^cheeky> heh Oct 11 09:21:27 heh Oct 11 09:21:32 nice one ^cheeky Oct 11 09:21:38 <^cheeky> hey man !! Oct 11 09:21:58 <^cheeky> ummm .. well i mean .. its "Working ... " but i havent done any tests or anything Oct 11 09:22:02 <^cheeky> so umm .. Oct 11 09:22:03 <^cheeky> yeah .. Oct 11 09:22:17 <^cheeky> freaking 5 22 AM here !!1 Oct 11 09:24:47 lol Oct 11 09:24:51 its 11:24 am here Oct 11 09:26:20 <^cheeky> i dont want to sleep heh, Oct 11 09:26:33 <^cheeky> looking @ memory analyzer right .. now . Oct 11 09:26:57 <^cheeky> seems like Picasso is leaking .. but i bet its my code, Oct 11 09:27:18 so you finally found and made your idea ^cheeky? :D Oct 11 09:27:23 <^cheeky> what on earth , java, lang,ref,finalizer Oct 11 09:27:47 <^cheeky> oh .. no yet .. its a lil baby heh Oct 11 09:27:56 <^cheeky> but yeah the basics of it seems to work .. Oct 11 09:28:23 <^cheeky> but i have so much to learn and i am so slow Oct 11 09:28:36 <^cheeky> wish MATRIX really freaking existed heh Oct 11 09:29:37 great :) dont be overwhelmed by what you have to learn, everyone has to do it, just take it easy and enjoy doing it Oct 11 09:29:47 <^cheeky> writing code, like a library like Picasso or volley is so impressive to me , i hope i can write code like that 1dat Oct 11 09:29:49 <^cheeky> *y Oct 11 09:30:00 <^cheeky> heh yeah Oct 11 09:30:48 <^cheeky> mobile devices rock Oct 11 09:30:59 <^cheeky> i better go get some more tea or caffein and walk heh Oct 11 09:31:08 <^cheeky> *caffeine Oct 11 09:34:29 Hm. I need some help again. I want to have a link from a webview webpage as string. But if I try to use Httpclient, I don't get it, it downloads the login-webpage. I guess there are no cookies. Is there a direct way to get the html from a webview? Perhaps with Javascript *think*? Oct 11 09:36:04 ^cheeky im doing the same, monster energy in hand and im going to go out to get some sun :D walking helps me later to think Oct 11 10:04:22 mmh Oct 11 10:46:58 haha, the last comment here made me laugh https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39723 Oct 11 10:49:11 indeed, it produces 20k lines of log per second Oct 11 10:50:20 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZVq1R5maseo/ThwejpVBD6I/AAAAAAAAARI/OF_3ZIoRxhA/s240-no/pza-photo.jpg Oct 11 10:50:23 He hates Android. Oct 11 10:51:02 pleroma is that the fella that posted the bug? do you know him? Oct 11 10:51:09 posted the last message Oct 11 10:51:49 * pza * … yeah, i'll bet thats him :) Oct 11 10:53:12 I don't know him, but yeah Oct 11 10:53:16 that bug was infuriating though Oct 11 10:53:49 i filed another bug, which was meta, saying intel doesn't EVER update their fucking images Oct 11 10:54:59 i dont understand all the details; i get the impression intel does an image, puts it on their web site - google does some qa (how did this pass?!?!) and then puts it in the sdk manager. Oct 11 10:55:03 i could be wrong Oct 11 10:55:32 but i was told google does some qa Oct 11 10:55:52 thats why its available from intels site earlier than the sdk manager Oct 11 11:24:56 I'm a bit confused. If I want to do fast lookups for objects in a set with the same value than the one i have, the object for the set that I need to create is a HashSet right? Oct 11 11:26:02 the contains() method documentation of it doesn't tell me if it checks for a value or the same instance of the object Oct 11 11:31:55 DwordKnight, it checks for hashCode() Oct 11 11:38:01 and that hashcode is used to identify the object, not the value, am i right? then it would not work for me :/ Oct 11 11:40:28 DwordKnight, how would a hashset know what "a value" of your object is? Oct 11 11:40:38 you DO know that each object has overridable hashCode() method right? Oct 11 11:40:41 this is like… basics of Java Oct 11 11:46:22 I'm no expert in the language. I just started using it seriously a year ago, learning by myself :D Oct 11 11:46:47 well as I said. Those are total basics. Oct 11 11:48:23 I expect to find a class in the jdk that does hashes to the value or values of the object i append to the set, and then It could find an object by doing the same process and using some search algorithm to find the hash that was done from that value Oct 11 11:48:44 that would give me a "yes, that one exists" Oct 11 11:58:02 its curious that i never found out that piece of info in all this time. i mean i know almost every method is overrideable if the class is designed for it, but not that hashcode is actually overrided from class to class to offer different behaviour as to identify the actual value of the object and not the object itself :D!!! Oct 11 11:58:27 string class says it computes its hash using the actual string :3 Oct 11 11:58:33 thanks Mavrik! Oct 11 11:58:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_hashCode() Oct 11 12:00:05 read the source, luke Oct 11 12:00:42 :D yup Oct 11 12:36:32 hey pfn, i hadnt slept in 48 hours sorry i made a fool of myself Oct 11 12:36:42 been reading stacktraces for 5 years Oct 11 12:36:46 just new to android Oct 11 12:44:55 Is it possible to route audio to both the headset jack and the bluetooth radio when devices are paired by modifiying the system image, e.g. by modifying the bluedroid or audio HAL source (in 4.3) Oct 11 12:50:55 what are the steps to make an app installable on the external storage? anything I have to do or be aware on my code besides setting the manifest (preferExternal)? Oct 11 12:54:38 could someone look at my spinner/combo boxes are not expanding across the screen: http://i.imgur.com/jLmwbKC.png and http://hastebin.com/nosagoxoco.xml Oct 11 12:54:47 i feel like i'm missing something, or doing something wrong Oct 11 12:54:53 they seem to take up the minimal amount of space Oct 11 12:55:28 <^cheeky> i should Zzzz, jus read some articles about Weak and Soft References, used them .. think it improved, but Picasso is reposting a leak in memory analizer ... got it down to 30 MB .. Oct 11 12:58:22 its probably something simple, but whatever it is, i'm overlooking it Oct 11 12:58:34 other widgets in place will expand, the spinner just doesn't seem to be Oct 11 12:58:34 jug6ernaut, this any interest? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5730115/preferexternal-in-manifest-not-working-when-installing-from-market Oct 11 12:58:35 any of them Oct 11 12:58:40 <^cheeky> i am looking .. at it .. pretty nested view you got there Oct 11 12:58:56 thanks ^cheeky Oct 11 12:58:59 <^cheeky> sorry Oct 11 12:59:13 oh, you were not talking to me Oct 11 12:59:35 <^cheeky> why not use a linear layout ? Oct 11 12:59:53 <^cheeky> i mean a list view blaah Zzzz Oct 11 12:59:53 ie, drop the scrollview ? Oct 11 12:59:59 oh, um ok.. i can try Oct 11 13:00:06 <^cheeky> whoa whao Oct 11 13:00:09 <^cheeky> wait .. i am no pro Oct 11 13:00:25 <^cheeky> see ... ok .. i have never used a scroll view as of yet ... Oct 11 13:01:15 well, i probably am less pro, so you're a step up from me Oct 11 13:01:16 <^cheeky> but if you want a setup like that .. perhaps you have list view .. and and each item for the list you creat a view for it .. like edit text and spinner Oct 11 13:02:21 <^cheeky> have a linear layout with one side edit text and one side spinner > Oct 11 13:02:24 <^cheeky> i dunno Oct 11 13:03:23 <^cheeky> think its good practice not to nest so many views like how you have it setup, coz droid OS need to calculate those positions and such, using a relative layout maybe better Oct 11 13:03:32 <^cheeky> but mebe some one here could help Oct 11 13:03:48 <^cheeky> monster || ! monster Oct 11 13:07:54 wmealing_, is there any reason you're using a table layout for this and not just a vertical linear layout with nested horizontal linear layouts? Dynamically adding rows? Oct 11 13:10:00 but either way, change android:layout_width="wrap_content" to android:layout_width="match_parent" Oct 11 13:10:22 on the table row android:id="@+id/TableRow04" Oct 11 13:11:56 question about app planning: I want to have a tab layout, every view (lisfragment) needs to update own data every n second (the data is caught from the web). what is the best way to do this?How and where the views have to get the data from? Is this a job of the fragmentactivity class that contains the fragmentPagerAdapter? Oct 11 13:14:02 <^cheeky> wait , i just mucked around with page adapter Oct 11 13:14:20 <^cheeky> pageadapter would have its one adapter as its source ? Oct 11 13:14:22 gdrc, people use event bus design for that Oct 11 13:14:43 <^cheeky> oh Oct 11 13:14:44 gdrc, e.g. a single service that updates data and sends events over eventbus so fragments can update themselves Oct 11 13:15:01 <^cheeky> holly crap, srsly lol Oct 11 13:15:14 * ^cheeky googles bus times Oct 11 13:16:12 <^cheeky> observer model Oct 11 13:17:50 <^cheeky> this might be what i was looking for Oct 11 13:19:50 <^cheeky> oh maybe not, Oct 11 13:21:45 Kegsay: probably because i dont know what i'm doing Oct 11 13:21:59 ok, and i'll do that.. just a few moments .. i'll let you know Oct 11 13:25:03 <^cheeky> FragmentStatePage adapter, i need spawn off background thread to get more information, regarding a fragment, but i already have one thread grabbing the image for the fragment, but i need to hit other services to get more infor for the fragment, i was going to use an Service and Intent Service with a thread pool ... i guess this is the wrong approach Oct 11 13:27:38 kegsay: still no good.. i'll keep messing around though Oct 11 13:28:40 <^cheeky> oh man .. too interesting and iam so lost Oct 11 13:29:00 you need to apply match_parent to your other fields as well, so: Oct 11 13:29:01 android:id="@+id/TextView01" Oct 11 13:29:01 android:layout_width="wrap_content" Oct 11 13:29:06 should be match_parent Oct 11 13:29:38 oh hang on, you want the spinners right? Oct 11 13:30:13 yes Oct 11 13:30:51 * ^cheeky cracks open a monster can Oct 11 13:33:09 wmealing_, try removing the table layout / table rows entirely Oct 11 13:33:28 you already are using a vertical linear layout so it will still display correctly Oct 11 13:33:40 oh ok Oct 11 13:35:12 that did it Oct 11 13:35:38 i had tablesl previously due to text field | input Oct 11 13:35:43