**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 12 02:59:59 2013 Oct 12 03:03:21 JakeWharton: You there? Oct 12 03:03:29 half Oct 12 03:03:36 JakeWharton: That's speed! Oct 12 03:04:05 JakeWharton: I'll try to integrate Picasso and okHTTP into my project... and then maybe volley too... Any tips to make that happen smoothly? Oct 12 03:04:35 my app loads a lot of images from internet to a listview.... Oct 12 03:04:41 and I need to make that as fast as possible Oct 12 03:04:44 and smooth Oct 12 03:04:47 and never crash Oct 12 03:05:09 Picasso.with(context).load(url).into(imageView); Oct 12 03:05:13 As simple as it gets Oct 12 03:05:35 And add the okhttp jar to your project Oct 12 03:05:55 k, thanks... Oct 12 03:06:27 I already have a background thread pool, and a ui handler... Should I try to integrate picasso and okHTTP with those? Oct 12 03:06:34 how to do it? Oct 12 03:06:36 no Oct 12 03:06:50 picasso manages its own threading and moving on and off the main thread Oct 12 03:07:28 JakeWharton: What I mean is that, I have my own pool of threads to call to the WebServices... Wouldn't it be a good idea to share that pool with picasso? Oct 12 03:08:51 no Oct 12 03:08:57 you don't want images blocking API calls and vice versa Oct 12 03:15:01 JakeWharton: mmmm I'll belive you on that one.... Oct 12 03:15:36 Picasso is smart and will scale the number of threads based on the quality of connection Oct 12 03:16:42 JakeWharton: How do you do that? Oct 12 03:16:50 I'd like that for my API connections too.... Oct 12 03:17:11 anyway, is it possible to play with the priority of the picasso threads? Oct 12 03:17:14 broadcast receiver and querying network info Oct 12 03:17:16 no Oct 12 03:17:24 they're always background priority Oct 12 03:17:49 do all the threads of a pool have the same priority? Oct 12 03:17:58 yes Oct 12 03:19:25 is it possible to change it? Oct 12 03:23:42 Is it possible to control when some runnables are posted to the UI thread? Oct 12 03:24:15 I have some background processes with low priority, and I wouldn't want them to post while the user is scrolling for example Oct 12 03:24:27 I use handler.post(runnable); Oct 12 03:26:55 no Oct 12 03:29:54 I have developed an app, but have about 6 expansion packs that I would like to put on playstore, how do I go about doing this? Oct 12 03:33:14 is there anybody here? Oct 12 03:33:54 on a friday night :) Oct 12 03:34:25 what day do I get better response? Oct 12 03:34:39 any week day US is busy etc Oct 12 03:35:00 pr try later this weekend Oct 12 03:35:04 i see... I guess I shall come back then Oct 12 03:35:19 what are the expansion packs? why not use IAB? Oct 12 03:35:20 or leave your client running as you work etc Oct 12 03:35:21 trying to find out how to publish app Oct 12 03:35:46 resource files, and an XML Oct 12 03:36:22 so if I provide a free app, but the playstore just serves expansion files, 6 different packs Oct 12 03:36:38 is that possible? Oct 12 03:37:16 if the expansions are just resources, I'd ship a single apk - unless it's going to be huge - and just unlock extra content when the user pays Oct 12 03:37:19 TheBunny: Before I forget, asked the friend of mine at Bethesda about ESO, said he hadn't gotten into the beta and only played it for about 2 hours, so couldn't say much. Oct 12 03:37:37 Was apparently fun from what little he did play, anyway, but I think that was a while ago. Oct 12 03:38:01 so would that be part of licensing? Oct 12 03:38:38 that would be in-app billing Oct 12 03:40:00 would the user be able to move from device to device using same account and be able to use the program with the same settings? Oct 12 03:40:12 Nilium: I thouhght we opened the beta up to people in the compant Oct 12 03:40:20 anyhow good to know he liked it so far Oct 12 03:40:27 They're apparently being picky about it. Oct 12 03:40:33 ha Oct 12 03:40:35 hmm ok Oct 12 03:40:44 So many slots and they're playing favorites. Oct 12 03:41:12 3m+ people signed up so far Oct 12 03:41:21 we let maybe 100k play at the most so far Oct 12 03:41:34 asdf8fdsa: they would if you implement it properly Oct 12 03:42:12 is there a particular mode that is called, that I should read up on? Oct 12 03:42:48 it's called "in-app billing" which is why I called it that Oct 12 03:43:13 using that phrase and an Internet Search Engine like bing.com you should be able to find some more information Oct 12 03:44:54 yea, I see it's the top highlighted feature in version3. Thanks for your info Leeds! Oct 12 03:45:23 you're welcome! Oct 12 03:54:41 JakeWharton: Damn :(... Another thing, I need to download some images, and I have a maximum width and size, and I need to resize them to that size if they are bigger, respecting the ratio, and then I want to keep that version in the cache/memory, as to not waste memory... does picasso does that automagically? Oct 12 03:56:20 It does explicit resize, not max Oct 12 03:56:32 You can do a custom transform to accomplish that thoight Oct 12 03:57:18 JakeWharton: explicit resize? like to a specific x, y? Oct 12 03:58:01 JakeWharton: BTW: My images don't use the alpha channel... Is it possible to only use 24 bits per point? Oct 12 03:58:09 RGB888? instead of RGBA8888? Oct 12 04:00:36 JakeWharton: The transformation seems to Take a bitmap, and return a bitmap... Is it possible to create the bitmap in the proper size directly from the stream/byte[] returned by the URL? Oct 12 04:01:09 you can just measure the image and if it exceeds your max params resize to those params Oct 12 04:01:56 shmooz: yes, but the thing is I have the byte[]... If I put that in a bitmap, then that copies the byte[] to memory inside the bitmap, and then if I resize it to another bitmap, then I'm using mem for 3xbyte.size() Oct 12 04:02:20 I want to just use 2xbyte.size() if possible... 1xbyte.size() would be ideal... Oct 12 04:04:06 JakeWharton: Another question... do you support showing a progress bar while the image is being downloaded? in top of the imageview? Oct 12 04:04:11 is the image remote to begin with ? Oct 12 04:04:22 shmooz: yes... lots of imgages Oct 12 04:04:33 then you'd be able to parse the header to find the size ? Oct 12 04:04:40 without downloading perhaps Oct 12 04:05:01 shmooz: errr... shouldn't picasso do that for me? :) Oct 12 04:05:18 anyway, the images are in general the same aspect ratio, but there are some differents in width and size Oct 12 04:05:29 and I always resize them to exactly the same max width + max height Oct 12 04:06:05 I've done that in php using curl and wget , not sure how you do it in android Oct 12 04:06:37 to resize stuff to fit a shoutbox and stop people from posting huge images Oct 12 04:09:33 Your uses cases are too specific Oct 12 04:10:04 I don't know how you can expect a general purpose library to afford such extreme specific behavior Oct 12 04:10:16 Fork it and change whatever you want to make it what you need Oct 12 04:14:32 g00s: https://github.com/google/hesokuri <--- interesting uses of clojure Oct 12 04:22:48 When I define my own selector for a button and I'm supposed to put it in the "drawable" folder which one should I put it in? Oct 12 04:23:25 or should I make my own folder "drawable" instead of using the ones there? Oct 12 04:28:57 oh hai Oct 12 04:31:29 This crap: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/drawable-resource.html#StateList <-- says put it in /res/drawable but I have 5 different drawable folders. Oct 12 04:31:43 JakeWharton: I can certanly expect it :) Oct 12 04:32:23 I declare my own button states in main_button.xml and put it one of the drawable folders it won't recognize them. In addition it can't see my colors I've put in colors.xml in the /res/values folder? Oct 12 04:33:09 using Eclipse btw. Oct 12 05:00:58 p_l cool! but would you trust it :) Oct 12 05:07:58 g00s: yes. I've got more trust for that code than what typically goes into "FSF-approved linux distro" ;) Oct 12 05:09:04 GNU code is pretty horrible; look at screen if you'd like to vomit in your mouth Oct 12 05:10:34 g00s: more importantly I figure that even low-priority unofficial projects from Google got more release management behind them than, let's say, key generation in certain distros and automating tools ;P Oct 12 05:13:26 g00s, p_l, what're we talking about, sounds interesting Oct 12 05:14:03 alex_PP p_l posted this above https://github.com/google/hesokuri Oct 12 05:14:26 i have a hard enough time getting git to work normally; any other automagical layers would scare me Oct 12 05:15:23 as for my comments on code: first was reference to Debian maintainer breaking crypto key generation in either OpenSSL or OpenSSH *HORRIBLY*, the other was Saltstack devs making HUGE mistake in their "mass-key-gen" for Salt's RSA keys Oct 12 05:15:43 both required revoking and regenerating all keys created with those two tools Oct 12 05:15:43 hm, never heard of saltstack Oct 12 05:15:51 g00s: one of the server automation tools Oct 12 05:16:28 since it uses RSA keys for authentication, they added a tool in some release to ease up mass generation of keys for new nodes Oct 12 05:17:10 and didn't ask anyone with experience about whether the parameters to RSA that they use were sensible at all Oct 12 05:19:12 p_l did you read this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6517553 Oct 12 05:19:50 if this sentiment was correct "The US Government has no problem with seizing your private keys. It claims the right to impersonate you without your permission." , troubling Oct 12 05:22:08 is there some specific process to adding a new API to AOSP? what are the chances of such a submission being accepted? Oct 12 05:24:07 veeti just submit an enhancement request to the defect tracker Oct 12 05:25:47 well, it would be a fun learning experience to try and do it myself but not if the effort would be certainly fruitless Oct 12 05:26:46 oh, well - a hole api , i dunno how much luck you would have with that Oct 12 05:26:50 *whole Oct 12 05:27:37 well, not a whole api, just an addition to an existing one Oct 12 05:27:39 not a very huge one either Oct 12 05:28:20 g00s, i dare say this could lead to some nasty tangles Oct 12 05:28:26 if not used very carefully Oct 12 05:29:58 alex_PP hesokuri ? Oct 12 05:30:17 when should I use application context and when should I use activity context? Oct 12 05:30:37 veeti: you can make a patch for AOSP and submit it Oct 12 05:30:51 gavilan2 app context when you need a context that outlives the activity Oct 12 05:30:52 yeah Oct 12 05:31:35 i would be nervous :) Oct 12 05:32:00 seems it pushes to specially names branches on the other machines so you can keep stuff you're updating on many machines synced up Oct 12 05:32:19 i'd prefer to push to a draft change in gerrit and pull that when i want to update it Oct 12 05:32:21 g00s: is there any difference between those 2 context? why not use always the app context? Oct 12 05:32:47 i think the UI stuff needs activity context because the the ContextThemeWrapper or something like that Oct 12 05:33:43 g00s: then the guys at android should make those methods take Activity instead of Context Oct 12 05:33:58 not sure what you're referring to Oct 12 05:34:27 gavilan2: some (if not majority) of those methods can be used in different contexts Oct 12 05:34:48 different contexts? Oct 12 05:34:59 what other UI contex is available? Oct 12 05:45:45 wow, the FB beta testing program has 1 million users Oct 12 05:46:37 "Our beta testers currently use phones from over 50 manufacturers, run multiple versions of Android, and use our app in varying network conditions. " Oct 12 05:47:06 what i read into this, if that even FB can't buy enough devices to test all conditions ;) Oct 12 05:47:22 gavilan2: Services might want to do something with Contexts, for example... UI is not the only stuff that uses them Oct 12 05:49:28 wow, and FB is also using the regular Play infrastructure for this too Oct 12 06:06:30 Hello, folks! Can anyone please suggest me how could I launch an activity in background (i.e. during the Splash screen in separate thread) and once after "reuse Oct 12 06:06:38 "reuse" it Oct 12 06:07:27 Also it would be great, if I could also just switch back to main activity from this reusable one, and each time I click special button it would be reused again instead of creating new instance. Oct 12 07:52:34 hey guys, i am trying to launch another fragment inside viewpager's fragment, and launches the backbutton Oct 12 07:52:39 just like how android market is handling it Oct 12 07:52:42 how would I do that? Oct 12 07:53:12 using getChildFragmentManager does not follow hte back button Oct 12 07:54:01 gona try http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yohpapa/20130317/1363509114 Oct 12 08:10:21 guys Oct 12 08:10:23 anybody here? Oct 12 08:13:13 ssh, we're trying to sleep ;) Oct 12 08:13:17 lol Oct 12 08:13:21 hey, on android market app Oct 12 08:13:28 when you click something from the list to detail Oct 12 08:13:33 is it opening up another Activity? Oct 12 08:13:43 or is there some sort of fragment transition Oct 12 08:13:56 nvm, its opening up another activity Oct 12 08:14:44 there is no other way they can manage the tabbar that efficiently Oct 12 08:57:19 it's all fragments Oct 12 09:08:03 JakeWharton for gradle sub-projects, which do not have any resources, do you use the plain java plugin ? Oct 12 09:08:11 only twice Oct 12 09:08:51 so normally, i guess i would be using android-library plugin for these sub-projects which the app depends on Oct 12 09:08:58 same as a top level project, i suppose Oct 12 09:09:01 yep Oct 12 09:09:04 ok, thanks Oct 12 09:13:42 guys I do not understand what synchronized (this) means, I've read a few definitions but still not sure Oct 12 09:15:20 zquad: think of it like a gated area, that only 1 thing can be in at one time Oct 12 09:16:00 once one thread enters the synchronized area, any other thread will sit there at wait to enter, until the first thread exits Oct 12 09:16:08 for example if I have a timer to download a file every 10 seconds, then putting the download in there will prevent another download as long as the previous download is still occuring? Oct 12 09:16:26 and this applies to anything that synchronizes on that particular object instance Oct 12 09:17:09 zquad: possibly, it depends on how you have it implemented. There are better ways to solve that issue Oct 12 09:17:24 as an example, I mean Oct 12 09:17:51 in other words one download runs to completion before the next Oct 12 09:17:54 Generally, you rarely need to use synchronized yourself. There are almost always better and easer to use (i.e. harder to screw up) ways of doing whatever it is Oct 12 09:18:12 ok Oct 12 09:18:16 in that particular case, you could have a single thread that processes the download tasks Oct 12 09:18:29 yup Oct 12 09:18:34 and once its done, it just grabs the next task and starts to run it Oct 12 09:18:48 you would only need the synchronized block if you had multiple threads processing the tasks Oct 12 09:21:21 next question: in terms of best practice, I created a service which I want execute a series of events every few seconds. In my onStartCommand I have: http://pastebin.com/buWSzLp7 Oct 12 09:21:45 is this best practice? I read somewhere that I should use AlarmManager alarm instead Oct 12 09:22:15 why every 5s? Oct 12 09:22:35 well lets say 1 minute, any random period of time Oct 12 09:24:17 but why wait at all? Are the events such that you could process them as they arrive? Oct 12 09:24:39 its a background process which monitors a webservice Oct 12 09:24:44 indefinitely Oct 12 09:25:31 well, that won't work since its on the main thread ;) Oct 12 09:26:06 zquad i recommend watching the devbyte videos on power consumption and radio Oct 12 09:28:12 :)g00s I will but lets say I want to consume the webservice every hour indefinitely Oct 12 09:28:29 then you use alarm manager, or a sync adapter Oct 12 09:28:30 I just want to make sure I am using best practice as far as the webservice is concerned Oct 12 09:29:58 and you also have to look at the users' prefs on background data Oct 12 09:30:20 and of course, you wouldn't be waking up if there is no connectivity ;) Oct 12 09:30:25 so , its quite involved Oct 12 09:30:46 Yup, one piece at a time :) Oct 12 09:32:11 two days ago I ran into a problem where I couldn't call ssl and that really sucked No Peer Certificate. Oct 12 09:38:01 JesusFreke you're up late ! :P Oct 12 10:36:38 I am trying to figure out how to automate long press with monkeyrunner. please guide. Oct 12 10:36:51 long press on screen or screen widget Oct 12 11:58:03 guys, is there a fast android emulator for windows 8 Oct 12 11:58:29 use intel images with GPU accelration Oct 12 11:58:33 or genymotion Oct 12 11:59:01 thanks Mavrik downloading now Oct 12 12:22:57 Good book to jump into Android dev for an intermediate programmer? Oct 12 12:23:17 I've got Apress' Learning Android App Development Oct 12 12:23:22 Good enough? Oct 12 12:24:05 have you worked through the training on the d.android.com site? Oct 12 12:24:24 Cyph0n, d.android.com training is usually way better than books Oct 12 12:24:49 But Reto Meier's book is pretty good. Oct 12 12:54:30 before my application load, before MainActivity.onCreate is called I see an an error on my android app, asking me to Force Close. I am not sure how to debug that to see the cause, any suggestions as to how to debug it. I thought MainActivity was the application's entry point Oct 12 12:56:02 logcat Oct 12 12:57:35 hi everyone, could you please help me with ListView recycling - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19320980/how-to-show-more-lines-in-listview-on-user-click ? Oct 12 13:13:40 Leeds, Mavrik: I've worked through the training, but after the first section, it just went all over the place I think. I usually like a focused approach, like building a single application all the way through. Oct 12 13:29:24 Cyph0n, well the point is to read the things you need Oct 12 13:39:53 Is there a way to achieve the following automisation? On Bluetooth connection launch google play music, play song for 2 seconds, close play music, launch spotify Oct 12 13:40:05 this is the only way the metadata gets displayed Oct 12 13:40:20 hmm Oct 12 13:40:24 tasker could do that probably Oct 12 13:42:43 I dont have a credit card though; does this seem like a difficult task to program an app for that myself? Oct 12 14:07:44 what do you think most cell phones are 16:9, 16:10 ratio for screen? Oct 12 14:24:09 pancakeface 16/9 Oct 12 14:27:16 <^cheeky> morning/evening Oct 12 14:28:35 <^cheeky> oh pancakes sound so g00d rightt now Oct 12 14:38:51 lol :D Oct 12 14:39:50 anyone launch google now intentionally ? Oct 12 14:42:22 It launches accidently with that swipe from bottom even when I 'disable' it, wtf Oct 12 14:44:17 yay disabling everything google fixed it ! Oct 12 14:57:44 hi there, i am using account picker in the onResume method, if i picked an account, it restarts the onResume method again, is this expected behaviour?? Oct 12 15:03:50 Hey everyone ^^ I'm new to Android Development and now I've got a question which the web couldn't really answer me: I have got this code here for a button to play a sound when pressed: http://pastebin.com/EL8rxYh7 Now I want to add more buttons with different sound, do I have to add the same code for each button again or is there an easier way? ^^ Oct 12 15:05:46 i am new too, but i think you have to add a new button everytime (via xml and declare an onclick-listener) Oct 12 15:07:57 fr4nk235: Yea that what I intended to do but I thought there would be an easier way then adding about 50 onclick-listeners :D Oct 12 15:09:01 :) make it an array with incremented ids and the iterate over it XD no srsly, maybe someone else has a better solution Oct 12 15:13:41 hello. is there some sample code to make and recieve network requests so that i can test working of traffic stats Oct 12 15:35:26 fr4nk235, expected behavior Oct 12 15:36:04 jeah i see, account picker is just an activity put on the stack, if it returns, main activity is resumed... Oct 12 15:59:30 the dodumentation says: "When Activity A starts Activity B, Activity A is stopped, ..." but the onResume method is running until the end, then the main activity is stopped? Oct 12 16:00:27 how do I start using achartengine in android-studio? Oct 12 16:12:08 fr4nk235, huh? Oct 12 16:14:13 i logged the execution, in onResume i have an if-stmt if first run, works nice, in this if the acccount picker is called, but after the if-else i have also a log() and if the acc-picker opens, the log stmt is shown in logcat, so i assume, that onResume is executed until the end and then account picker is started.. Oct 12 16:14:40 yes, it runs in its entirety Oct 12 16:15:10 ah ok hm :-| Oct 12 16:20:33 hey, at notifications, does every app has its own notification-ids or are they system-wide, so that it would be possible to change notifications of other apps? Oct 12 16:23:20 <|0xD34D|> MoeMorox: I believe it's by package Oct 12 16:23:35 <|0xD34D|> would be horrible if it were system wide Oct 12 16:24:04 heh, yeah Oct 12 16:24:25 does anyone have an idea how apps like light flow work then? Oct 12 16:26:30 <|0xD34D|> they probably did it using some accessibility stuff Oct 12 16:26:33 <|0xD34D|> at least prior to 4.3 Oct 12 16:27:22 <|0xD34D|> 4.3 allows apps to access all notifications provided the user enables an app to do so Oct 12 16:28:05 yes, lightflow used the accessibility api Oct 12 16:30:38 okay, thanks Oct 12 17:01:02 <^cheeky> after than conversation regarding leaking with fragments confused me so much :( tried to fix think i broke everything :( Oct 12 17:02:07 <^cheeky> instead of passing in the context to the fragment, i read that its better to use getActivity, Oct 12 17:04:39 how do I set so the screen does not turn off allt he time, it is very annoying. Oct 12 17:05:04 <^cheeky> using getAvctivity.getApplicationContext does not let me cast to call say the Action bar on create Oct 12 17:05:26 <^cheeky> S_J: developer options Oct 12 17:05:28 S_J: there's an option in developer opt. Oct 12 17:09:51 <^cheeky> if i do getActivity and cast to Activity it works fine i guess , but in memory analyzer i see multiple instances of my gridView Oct 12 17:09:54 <^cheeky> :( Oct 12 17:10:00 <^cheeky> b00 Oct 12 17:32:43 <^cheeky> i have been using to commit to changes i have but if i want to start from my last commit with android studio how would i load it in ? Oct 12 18:10:43 <^cheeky> how do i load my last git commit into android studio ? Oct 12 18:12:17 git checkout that commit Oct 12 18:12:29 <^cheeky> in terminal ? Oct 12 18:12:34 what does android studio have to do with it Oct 12 18:12:50 or use the version control windows in studio Oct 12 18:12:55 <^cheeky> or in android studio , under VCS-> Git -> should i just do Revert ? Oct 12 18:12:58 either way, same result Oct 12 18:13:36 Google what the commands do Oct 12 18:14:10 <^cheeky> ok Oct 12 18:16:33 <^cheeky> i did not create .. different branches ... :( Oct 12 18:19:01 <^cheeky> ok here goes it .. :( git GIT RESET HEAD Oct 12 18:21:23 that just undoes you current uncommitted changes Oct 12 18:21:30 not even Oct 12 18:21:40 it just marks stuff not for adding ng Oct 12 18:29:25 textview.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER); doesn't center the textview (RelativeLayout). why? Oct 12 18:37:27 ^cheeky: http://pcottle.github.io/learnGitBranching/ Oct 12 18:37:51 (serious suggestion, not trying to be snarky :) Oct 12 18:38:41 Give it to me straight guys. Does my app icon suck? http://i.imgur.com/Gn5iVcT.png Oct 12 18:39:19 <^cheeky> JesusFreke: no no thank you i need to , i am doing too many things @ once Oct 12 18:39:24 <^cheeky> i appreciate ti Oct 12 18:39:26 <^cheeky> *it Oct 12 18:43:57 desmin88: yes Oct 12 18:44:56 vedu: :(\ Oct 12 18:45:34 how can i improve it Oct 12 18:46:32 im terrible at all things ui Oct 12 18:49:52 I've bought a book about that from amazon called "Design for hackers" xD I've to start reading it too Oct 12 18:50:18 Yes, your app icon sucks. Oct 12 18:50:39 atleast you guys are honest Oct 12 18:50:54 Are you seriously going with the cross of a crusader? Oct 12 18:50:58 umm Oct 12 18:51:03 I can't tell what it is Oct 12 18:51:15 cross templar? Oct 12 18:51:33 It's one of them. Either way, it's something associated with widespread bloodshed and murder. Oct 12 18:51:57 http://www.ucatholic.com/ Oct 12 18:52:29 i was more talking about how the cross templar is presented rather than the cross templar itself, lol Oct 12 18:52:48 I'm talking more about what the symbol represents. Oct 12 18:52:56 You have to be aware of these things. Oct 12 18:53:08 its not something i can change Oct 12 18:53:27 next time, do it with a svastika :) Oct 12 18:53:30 it's how how churches work after all! Oct 12 18:53:37 bloodshed and murder. Oct 12 18:53:47 DwordKnight, duly noted. Oct 12 18:53:58 I'd guess if you're making an app for catholics, though, they're mostly unaware of the history. So, contact them and ask them to make you an icon. Oct 12 18:54:01 nah just a joke man Oct 12 18:54:20 DwordKnight: i know i know Oct 12 18:54:40 Nilium: its an app for the website ucatholic.com, not just a general catholicism app Oct 12 18:54:52 I know. The point is you should be asking them to make you an icon. Oct 12 18:54:58 They have designers. Probably. Oct 12 18:55:15 nope :( Oct 12 18:55:38 im in a pickle here Oct 12 18:56:11 Ok, then safe mode: no border around the cross, put some newspapery like stuff around the cross (but it shouldn't intersect). Oct 12 18:56:43 Just figure out what the hell uCatholic does and try to make sure that comes through. Oct 12 18:56:51 i see Oct 12 18:56:53 Or hire a designer. Oct 12 18:58:33 I could make a lot of snarky comments about the church and its vileness and how it could be integrated into an icon, but I'd guess you're already aware of the comedy potential. Oct 12 19:00:05 what do I need to import to work with JSON? Oct 12 19:01:00 Something in org.json? Oct 12 19:01:25 Nilium: yeah i dont really want to discuss opinion of any church, just the suggestions for the ion Oct 12 19:01:28 icon* Oct 12 19:06:00 ahh yay, android emulator has a black screen Oct 12 19:09:49 Never use the emulator if you've got a device. Oct 12 19:09:55 If you don't have a device, never develop for Android. Oct 12 19:11:50 I should figure out how to get play services on an emulator, sometimes I'm so lazy about testing on device Oct 12 19:12:26 Performance on the emulator is so awful that I just can't figure why I should bother with anything other than a device. Oct 12 19:12:44 findViewById(R.id.id1) returns null. any ideas? Oct 12 19:12:48 The only use I've had for it so far is testing different layouts Oct 12 19:12:59 vedu: Check your layouts. Oct 12 19:13:42 Nilium: x86 image with intel HAXM is super fast for me.. Oct 12 19:13:58 oh, just need to install vending and gms apk Oct 12 19:14:17 It's still slow and cumbersome for me, considering using a mouse as a finger equivalent is really not a great idea. Oct 12 19:15:06 Nilium: I checked. they seem fine Oct 12 19:15:12 Check again. Oct 12 19:15:25 what exactly am I looking for? Oct 12 19:15:26 Check your code, check your layouts, etc. Oct 12 19:15:35 anyone have any issue with samgsuong g3 showing up in the samgsion original dock ? i bought the dock so that i can better see phone when developing but eclipse cant see it ... Oct 12 19:15:37 What do you think you're looking for? Oct 12 19:15:43 I am not getting any compiler error Oct 12 19:16:01 correctly defining the ID of the view Oct 12 19:16:08 What else could you be looking for? Oct 12 19:16:25 yes I have seen them. There are only 2 Oct 12 19:16:32 its a very small app Oct 12 19:17:16 Is your view inflated? Oct 12 19:20:27 * Nilium feels like that was either an ah-ha question or vedu was attacked by spiders. Oct 12 19:21:30 lol Oct 12 19:24:20 LOL Oct 12 19:24:52 is it possible that eclipse is acting up? I am getting some strange GUI errors Oct 12 19:25:01 Do a clean rebuild. Oct 12 19:27:47 how can I add via code textview in relativelayout one under other one? Oct 12 19:28:02 By reading the documentation. Oct 12 19:28:09 b00m. Oct 12 19:28:19 tough love from Nilium. Oct 12 19:28:26 is that easy? nice Oct 12 19:28:34 it's pretty easy Oct 12 19:28:37 Nilium: I think you are right. my view isn't inflated Oct 12 19:28:42 thanks Oct 12 19:28:42 I wrote some stuff in Scala to make it easier. Oct 12 19:28:57 Downside: the chance of you ever doing layouts programmatically is extremely low. Oct 12 19:29:08 Well, assuming you're not insane. Oct 12 19:29:32 LOL Oct 12 19:29:43 I don't know how many textview I need Oct 12 19:41:02 addRule! Oct 12 19:41:30 wtf what is the poing of a DOCK if the computer cant see the phone ... Oct 12 19:41:52 not even kies can see it and it is a original dock ... !!! Oct 12 20:01:55 is there some tool that will analyze my project and generate a list of all translatable strings? i wish to gather them for localization Oct 12 20:02:24 right now they are a bit clustered in several files Oct 12 20:05:04 What counts as translatable? Oct 12 20:05:16 <|0xD34D|> I got myself accustomed to putting all strings into strings.xml Oct 12 20:05:28 <|0xD34D|> only hardcoded strings are for log and debugging stuff Oct 12 20:05:32 I just put them all in a resource files. Oct 12 20:05:46 *file Oct 12 20:13:05 sounds like gettext Oct 12 20:13:52 osxorgate, you should just use the android resource files and folders Oct 12 20:14:43 Or did you put a bunch of strings in your source code instead of putting them in the resource files? Oct 12 20:15:07 sonOfRa: doing that, what i mean is that i want to give my translator a big list of all blah , to output that list automatically Oct 12 20:15:26 since it's scattered over a bunch of files Oct 12 20:15:49 <|0xD34D|> why not put them all in something like strings.xml? Oct 12 20:16:48 why is it scattered? Shouldn't all your strings be in res/strings.xml anyways? Oct 12 20:17:26 I keep mine in a few different files so I know where to look for strings for a specific situation. Oct 12 20:17:48 but all of them are xml files? Do they have a proper name? Oct 12 20:18:09 Do the strings have proper names? Or the resource files? Oct 12 20:18:46 'Cause I'm extremely picky about resource names. Oct 12 20:19:24 a fragment/activity gets its own resource xml file here, keeps things organized Oct 12 20:19:49 but for translations i could just extract the translatable strings to 1 file Oct 12 20:20:22 Probably. Oct 12 20:22:57 What about strings that are used in several fragments? Oct 12 20:23:09 Put 'em in a file that makes sense. Oct 12 20:23:18 It's not like there are hard rules for everything. Oct 12 20:27:40 StringsThatAreUsedInSeveralFragments.xml, obviously Oct 12 20:28:01 StringsWotHaveNoRealPolarCenterInTheirLivesResideHere.xml Oct 12 20:28:09 Ah, makes sense Oct 12 20:28:41 I should crib translations off some of my friends who speak other languages. Oct 12 20:28:59 Not actually sure if that's how I use the verb 'crib' Oct 12 20:29:23 Hm, no, apparently means steal. Oct 12 20:29:38 Naw, your crib is where you live Oct 12 20:29:40 We need a verb for "offer beer in exchange for work" Oct 12 20:41:05 entice? Oct 12 20:46:57 omg i feel so cheated !!! aparently the "docking station" i bought is only a charger ... WTF why would you call a table charger a dock .. i cant dock it to anythin ... well it has audio out so i guess you could dock it to useless speekers ... Oct 12 20:50:35 LOL Oct 12 20:54:09 grrr Oct 12 20:55:38 you got punked Oct 12 20:55:51 i guess so Oct 12 20:56:07 what else should it have? :P Oct 12 20:56:34 i should have read english version of prodduct description.... Oct 12 20:56:57 deebo: pehaps ability to connect to the computer ????? so i can use the doc while coding/testing Oct 12 20:57:10 deebo: that would be a dock in my eyes Oct 12 20:57:25 it has no usb input? Oct 12 20:57:29 i has Oct 12 20:57:39 but it is only a charger ... Oct 12 20:57:43 its so BS Oct 12 20:57:50 calling it a docking station Oct 12 20:58:07 i just have a case with a stand Oct 12 21:00:24 i dont like having a case =P Oct 12 21:00:52 Hello. Did anyone ever created a MQTT Client which reconnects in background even without wake lock (just a service, not foreground)? Oct 12 21:05:42 aw :( first thing i noticed was romain's not on the top of the list any more Oct 12 21:06:27 2 days till kitkat and nexus 5 ?? Oct 12 21:06:33 mmm kitkat Oct 12 21:06:52 where is the countdown livestream ? Oct 12 21:07:54 and version 5 will start with L maybe ? I say either liqorice or lollypop Oct 12 21:08:05 * hackkitten hands g00s a romain hat to wear instead :3 Oct 12 21:09:06 ;) Oct 12 21:09:59 did they say what was in kit kat? i can't remember now Oct 12 21:10:14 chocolate and waffles Oct 12 21:10:41 with a slight taste of key lime pie Oct 12 21:11:15 can anyone see why this is not RECONNECTING when the display is off and the connection drops/connect again? https://github.com/JesseFarebro/Android-Paho-MQTT-Service/blob/master/src/com/jessefarebro/mqtt/MqttService.java It uses the Eclipse PAHO lib... Oct 12 21:13:56 hackkitten is that a hat with a few romain lettuce leafs stuck in the band ? Oct 12 21:14:23 should be a hit with the local rabbits Oct 12 21:20:57