**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 01 02:59:59 2013
Nov 01 03:02:22 <Napalm> phutchins: just making a quick sample app to show how to use it
Nov 01 03:05:20 <gavilan2> anyone uses robelectric?
Nov 01 03:05:36 <HorizonXP> has anyone seen any docs on the Bluetooth HID support added in KitKat?
Nov 01 03:06:42 <Leaddore> Hello all, does anyone know if there are known issues with the Android AudioManager, specifically setRingerMode() when trying to set the phone silent?
Nov 01 03:07:29 <gavilan2> Has anyone tried modifying a listview or an expandable list view from robelectric? how do you test scrolling the list view, and that the getview method works properly?
Nov 01 03:07:39 <phutchins> Napalm: cool
Nov 01 03:11:43 <aut0tek> I've been trying to sort through documentation on USB Host mode. All I want to do is communicate with my Arduino over USB, but the examples I see are either one-way communications TO the device, or so old my Eclipse comes up with a million errors for the example.
Nov 01 03:13:36 <dragorn> aut0tek: so usb host mode gets you raw access to the usb endpoint
Nov 01 03:13:59 <dragorn> you'll have to write (or find) drivers for the usb serial interface presented by the arduino
Nov 01 03:14:06 <dragorn> there's also power concerns and device compatibility concerns
Nov 01 03:14:27 <aut0tek> Ohhh.
Nov 01 03:14:35 <aut0tek> So it's not that simple
Nov 01 03:14:37 <aut0tek> lol
Nov 01 03:14:47 <dragorn> unfortunately no
Nov 01 03:14:51 <dragorn> it's also pretty powerful
Nov 01 03:14:53 <dragorn> but not simple
Nov 01 03:15:37 <dragorn> there's some library projects for implementing various usb serial drivers
Nov 01 03:15:42 <dragorn> so you can probably find one of them
Nov 01 03:15:56 <dragorn> what android hw are you using
Nov 01 03:16:42 <dragorn> also the eclipse errors are probably the sdk rev being set wrong; usb host is in 4.0 and above (technically 3 but no-one uses 3); so set your minimum level to api 14
Nov 01 03:17:14 <aut0tek> I've seen a couple libraries, but I don't know about the licensing stuff, like one is lgpl, idk if I'm allowed to use it or not for an open-source project. The android I have is an S4
Nov 01 03:17:24 <dragorn> so the s4 should work
Nov 01 03:17:30 <dragorn> tho i haven't tried it w/ touchwiz
Nov 01 03:18:00 <dragorn> it DOES actually have a pretty solid power budget, it'll nuke your battery tho
Nov 01 03:18:38 <aut0tek> Perhaps I could remove the power over usb? I can apply power to the arduino externally
Nov 01 03:24:24 <dragorn> yeah - so I've made a board to do just that; you can do it w/ some hacked up cables, too
Nov 01 03:24:47 <dragorn> i'm looking to get the board I made produced actually for just this sort of thing
Nov 01 03:27:21 <aut0tek> cool. So I take it losing the + wire and keeping the - one doesn't solve that problem
Nov 01 03:43:03 <phutchins> Maybe I explained my problem incorrectly...
Nov 01 03:43:08 <phutchins> Say I have 3 listviews
Nov 01 03:43:36 <phutchins> I would like them all to be vertically expanded to the max needed to show everything in them. Any thing that is over screen size goes off the bottom of the screen
Nov 01 03:43:53 <phutchins> One listview is below the first and the third below that
Nov 01 03:44:07 <Napalm> draw a picture
Nov 01 03:44:11 <Napalm> and upload
Nov 01 03:44:15 <phutchins> when I scroll, I want to scroll the entire page that has all the list views expanded.
Nov 01 03:44:18 <phutchins> k
Nov 01 03:45:05 <dragorn> aut0tek: if you wanted to split the usb host power off, you'd sever the vcc line and keep the gnd, d+, d-
Nov 01 03:45:06 <phutchins> I can take a screenshot of my app
Nov 01 03:49:15 <phutchins> Napalm: http://icanhasnom.com/images/fliplist_scrolling.jpg
Nov 01 03:49:43 <phutchins> So from this screenshot you can see that the third listview is scrolling inside itself
Nov 01 03:49:48 <phutchins> I want it to run off the bottom of the screen
Nov 01 03:49:51 <Napalm> i see your problem
Nov 01 03:49:54 <phutchins> and all three to scroll together
Nov 01 03:49:56 <Napalm> your doing it wrong
Nov 01 03:49:59 <phutchins> so not "at the same time"
Nov 01 03:50:02 <Napalm> its not 3 listviews
Nov 01 03:50:02 <phutchins> right, i figured as much :)
Nov 01 03:50:12 <Napalm> its 1 listview with all the items in
Nov 01 03:50:30 <phutchins> well, I have a relativelayout with 3 listviews in it
Nov 01 03:50:39 <Napalm> no
Nov 01 03:50:48 <Napalm> you want one listview that fills the screen
Nov 01 03:51:04 <phutchins> but the button and text above the list views aren't from teh list view
Nov 01 03:51:05 <Napalm> each of the adapters should be merged together and the result set to the listview
Nov 01 03:51:07 <Napalm> https://github.com/commonsguy/cwac-merge
Nov 01 03:51:32 <Napalm> phutchins: then you should make them part of the list view
Nov 01 03:51:41 <phutchins> Yeah I could merge it... i guess. But I may not want the format of each of the lists to be the same
Nov 01 03:51:51 <Napalm> ok
Nov 01 03:51:55 <Napalm> they dont need to me
Nov 01 03:51:58 <Napalm> need to be
Nov 01 03:52:07 <Napalm> but it sounds to me like you just want a scrollview
Nov 01 03:52:16 <Napalm> and drop all of your views in it
Nov 01 03:52:24 <phutchins> yeah that might work best
Nov 01 03:52:28 <Napalm> so just get rid of your adapters and listviews
Nov 01 03:52:30 <phutchins> would it help to see my code for the view?
Nov 01 03:52:36 <Napalm> no
Nov 01 03:52:37 <Napalm> lol
Nov 01 03:52:40 <phutchins> :)
Nov 01 03:52:50 <Napalm> i have way too much code alreadyl, thanks anyway
Nov 01 03:52:52 <Napalm> ;)
Nov 01 03:53:01 <phutchins> haha
Nov 01 03:53:31 <phutchins> So i would completely loose the listview and use scroll view and populate that with the view taht i'm populating the listview with currently?
Nov 01 03:54:47 <phutchins> wait no.
Nov 01 03:54:53 <phutchins> i think i confused myself
Nov 01 03:55:36 <Gavilan3> phantomcircuit: there is no point in a listview that shows all it's content....
Nov 01 03:56:37 <canadiancow> does anyone have a signal booster from tmobile?
Nov 01 03:56:42 <canadiancow> ive been meaning to call for like a year
Nov 01 04:04:40 <phutchins> Napalm: you think I should just use something other than list views? I'm inflating it with a view that is a relative layout with two text views in it... I guess I need the listview for the adapter to work.
Nov 01 04:13:47 <g00s> how in the hell do i only get 1MB/s off VPN, but 7MB/s on vpn
Nov 01 04:13:59 <Napalm> compression
Nov 01 04:14:31 <g00s> hmm
Nov 01 04:14:51 <g00s> so is the data speedtest.net sending compressible; if i d/l a tar.gz maybe i won't see a difference
Nov 01 04:15:14 <Napalm> correct, infact they choose high entropy data to avoid compression
Nov 01 04:15:20 <Napalm> so, no idea
Nov 01 04:15:21 <mwo> noob question.  Just trying to figure out how to modify this demo http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html#DisplayMessage  so that I can append static text to what's displayed on the textview output
Nov 01 04:16:48 <g00s> how it going Napalm ? going to anddevcon or whatever is coming up?
Nov 01 04:17:12 <Napalm> just been to the UK one
Nov 01 04:17:19 <Napalm> Droidcon UK 2013
Nov 01 04:17:41 <canadiancow> so is that a no? :P
Nov 01 04:18:00 <Napalm> yes
Nov 01 04:18:05 <Napalm> yes its a no
Nov 01 04:18:06 <Napalm> :D
Nov 01 04:19:27 <acidjazz> i got these transparent images im using for buttons
Nov 01 04:19:27 <acidjazz> hmm
Nov 01 04:19:34 <acidjazz> im not getting that sweet blue background like others are
Nov 01 04:19:50 <acidjazz> maybe cuz im using <image> ? should i use <button> and then tie an image resource to it?
Nov 01 04:51:18 <g00s_> canadiancow so, are phones going to ship with the ART runtime, or is it more like a 'dev preview' at this point ?
Nov 01 04:51:33 <canadiancow> it's a dev preview
Nov 01 04:51:56 <canadiancow> if i had to guess, i'd say that it's just such a big change that it's not something that can be "launched" without devs actually using it first
Nov 01 04:52:09 <canadiancow> i mean it seems to work fine
Nov 01 04:52:10 <canadiancow> ive used it
Nov 01 04:52:18 <g00s_> interesting, i'd like to read more about it. its these kind of strategic things that i find interesting, as they give hints into google's direction of the platform ;)
Nov 01 04:52:40 <canadiancow> better, stronger, faster? :P
Nov 01 04:52:44 <g00s_> XD
Nov 01 04:53:12 <canadiancow> i mean that's really what it comes down to with everything
Nov 01 04:53:30 <canadiancow> "hmm... this is slow/inefficient/etc. we can probably make it better by doing X"
Nov 01 04:56:55 <alex_PP> ART?
Nov 01 04:58:58 <g00s_> alex_PP did you install an api 19 emu ?
Nov 01 04:59:35 <alex_PP> nope
Nov 01 04:59:49 <g00s_> ok; you would see it as an option in creating (dalvik or art)
Nov 01 05:00:21 <alex_PP> wow, didn't notice 4.4 was out
Nov 01 05:00:23 <alex_PP> awesome
Nov 01 05:00:27 <g00s_> hehe
Nov 01 05:03:37 <Napalm> https://github.com/slightfoot/android-tandem-scroll
Nov 01 05:03:43 <Napalm> if anyone wants it
Nov 01 05:04:00 <jalcine> the SDK is out
Nov 01 05:04:02 <jalcine> but I want a OTA
Nov 01 05:04:05 <jalcine> naow
Nov 01 05:04:06 <jalcine> lol
Nov 01 05:04:39 <Napalm> the nexus 5 roms have also gone live
Nov 01 05:05:49 <sunny_slls> hello everybody
Nov 01 05:06:44 <sunny_slls> hey i am trying to register a broadcastreceiver in the androidmanifest.xml file. It is registered to receive sms incoming to the number
Nov 01 05:06:59 <sunny_slls> will it be able to receive the sms if the application is not running ?
Nov 01 05:07:26 <sunny_slls> because in case i force stop the application then its doesn't receive any sms
Nov 01 05:07:54 <phutchins> Hey Napalm and desmin88, thanks for the help... Still working on a solution that fits my needs but I'm closer :).
Nov 01 05:08:47 <desmin88> phutchins: yw
Nov 01 05:09:01 <phutchins> Maybe I'll just make them as tabs on the fragment and switch between them and let them each scroll as they're meant to do...
Nov 01 05:09:14 <phutchins> No need to go against the grain :)
Nov 01 05:10:11 <sunny_slls> hi desmin88 hello phutchins
Nov 01 05:10:22 <phutchins> hi sunny_slls
Nov 01 05:11:15 <sunny_slls> phutchins, hey will the broadcastreceiver registered in the manifest file work if the application is not running ?
Nov 01 05:14:11 <phutchins> sunny_slls: not sure honestly. Maybe someone else knows.
Nov 01 05:14:54 <phutchins> sunny_slls: this may help however http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16395110/broadcastreceiver-not-working-when-app-is-not-running
Nov 01 05:15:52 <phutchins> sunny_slls: and this has an even better description in the second post http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12274997/why-broadcastreceiver-works-even-when-app-is-in-background
Nov 01 05:17:32 <JakeWharton> Jelly Bean MR2 is out!
Nov 01 05:20:28 <acidjazz> how do i specify the default background color of a pressed button somehow?
Nov 01 05:26:43 <g00s_> ohshit http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-nuclear-microsoft-apple-owned-rockstar-sues-google/
Nov 01 05:27:10 <g00s_> "This afternoon, that stockpile was finally used for what pretty much everyone suspected it would be used for—launching an all-out patent attack on Google and Android."
Nov 01 05:28:19 <g00s_> fucking East Texas
Nov 01 05:30:16 <Leeds> I wonder at what point Apple's market share drops low enough that Google can start fucking with iOS like they do with WP :)
Nov 01 05:31:25 <sunny_slls> hey i doesn't get any broadcast event if the application is stopped
Nov 01 05:31:37 <sunny_slls> and is not in onpaused state .
Nov 01 05:31:39 <g00s_> "Part of the company's strategy is avoiding a patent-countersuit by not having any operating businesses." such a douche move
Nov 01 05:31:49 <Leeds> sunny_slls: force stopped, or just ended?
Nov 01 05:32:19 <sunny_slls> Leeds, forced stopped
Nov 01 05:33:27 <Leeds> sunny_slls: it would appear that force stopping an app (in the modern Android world, anyway) does indeed disable manifest-registered broadcast receivers until the app is manually started again
Nov 01 05:33:41 <sunny_slls> Leeds,ok
Nov 01 05:34:05 <sunny_slls> Leeds, that means i need to register the broadcast receiver in the service
Nov 01 05:34:37 <Leeds> I'm pretty sure your service won't be running either if you've been force stopped
Nov 01 05:34:52 <Leeds> (is it just me, or does "force stop" sound like a Jedi power?)
Nov 01 05:35:28 <Gavilan3> Has anyone tried modifying a listview or an expandable list view from robelectric? how do you test scrolling the list view, and that the getview method works properly?
Nov 01 05:35:34 <Leeds> "these aren't the application components you're looking for"
Nov 01 05:36:11 <sunny_slls> Leeds, ugh~! i think there must be something because there are applications which restarts after some events
Nov 01 05:36:18 <sunny_slls> even if you force close
Nov 01 05:36:27 <Leeds> like?
Nov 01 05:37:30 <sunny_slls> like call tracing application which gives the description of the number
Nov 01 05:38:00 <sunny_slls> whenever the call comes it will give you from where the call has come etc...
Nov 01 05:38:49 <Leeds> can't see any particular reason that would keep running after being force stopped
Nov 01 05:39:07 <Blou_Aap> I am trying to overide EditText, but for the life of me it won't happen.
Nov 01 05:39:12 <sunny_slls> nope it won't keep the service running even after force close
Nov 01 05:39:18 <sunny_slls> but it would restart it
Nov 01 05:39:20 <Blou_Aap> Style, theme asigned to style
Nov 01 05:39:24 <sunny_slls> there must be some way to do it
Nov 01 05:39:51 <Blou_Aap> i dont want to use style="@style:blah"
Nov 01 05:42:04 <Blou_Aap> them is in a library project and both app and activity tag set to the theme
Nov 01 05:42:09 <Blou_Aap> overided edittext from Holo and standard
Nov 01 05:47:06 <alex_PP> so, it appears that the galaxy nexus wont be getting a 4.4 update :(
Nov 01 05:48:09 <g00s_> 'Speaking of rendering, the old bugbear of Android has always been scrolling performance. Especially in Chrome, there's always been a sense of lag that seemed completely out of place on top-tier devices. On the Nexus 5, we're very sad to report that the situation doesn't seem any better."
Nov 01 05:48:13 <g00s_> aww
Nov 01 05:48:28 <sunny_slls> hi g00s_ can you please provide with any idea for restarting the service if the application is force stopped or killed by android system
Nov 01 05:48:50 <g00s_> seems like a great phone, maybe iffy camera
Nov 01 05:49:58 <alex_PP> if it's killed by the system, it should restart from _most_ broadcasts
Nov 01 05:50:04 <g00s_> alex_PP i'm surprised; GN was fall 2011 so its just barely 2 years old ?
Nov 01 05:50:17 <alex_PP> if it's force killed, it needs to be manually restarted by a user, for security
Nov 01 05:50:33 <g00s_> "Google's reasoning for not updating it is that it's just too old; the company is only committed to updating Nexus devices for 18 months after their release."
Nov 01 05:50:37 <alex_PP> suppose they want nme to buy a new one
Nov 01 05:50:44 <alex_PP> bah
Nov 01 05:50:51 <g00s_> thats crapola man
Nov 01 05:51:05 <g00s_> its got 1GB ram
Nov 01 05:51:18 <alex_PP> but they're touting it's low end device performance all over the place
Nov 01 05:51:28 <alex_PP> exactly
Nov 01 05:51:35 <Leeds> I think a lot of it is because of the TI chip, where TI have pulled out of the AP market completely
Nov 01 05:51:57 <alex_PP> though, mine's getting a touch senile
Nov 01 05:51:58 <shmooz> they talked about kitkat running on lower ram devices so the old nexus devices should be included
Nov 01 05:52:44 <g00s_> otherwise the N4 would lose support in like 6mos
Nov 01 05:52:50 <Leeds> people are confusing "lower RAM" with "old"
Nov 01 05:53:35 <g00s_> i'm still trying to catch up with all the android news today
Nov 01 05:53:38 <g00s_> i hate news
Nov 01 05:53:45 <g00s_> i want bullet points !
Nov 01 05:53:57 <shmooz> Nexus S won't get 4.4 ?
Nov 01 05:54:04 <g00s_> well this is good i suppose "Samsung ousts Apple from top spot in JD Power tablet satisfaction rankings"
Nov 01 05:54:25 <g00s_> weird thing is, when i go to Best Buy, the samsung tablet area is always a ghost town
Nov 01 05:54:53 <g00s_> "iOS devices were on a run of nine consecutive JD Power awards — so it's a blow to the company's public image to lose out in a comparison that it has shown itself to care about." bwahahahahaha
Nov 01 05:55:32 <g00s_> how the fuck can LG sleep at night selling a plastic pumper for the n5 for $50?
Nov 01 05:55:38 <g00s_> *bumper
Nov 01 05:55:59 <g00s_> i went to wallmart and almost got one of those  kiddy bumpers for my n7, since i'm a clutz, they were like $5
Nov 01 05:56:04 <alex_PP> very comfortably
Nov 01 05:56:24 <g00s_> i guess its like printer toner cartridges right ?
Nov 01 05:56:46 <g00s_> "Google launches new wireless charging pad for the Nexus 5 and Nexus 7" wow, i didn't even know my n7 could do that :O
Nov 01 05:57:02 <g00s_> if that helps me save the usb port, maybe i should get it
Nov 01 05:57:33 <shmooz> the charge rate is much slower than usb
Nov 01 05:57:37 <JesusFreke> g00s_: the 2013 does, not the 2012
Nov 01 05:57:53 <JesusFreke> shmooz: seems to be about the same as usb (plugged into computer, not wall charger)
Nov 01 05:58:19 <Leeds> so much smaller than any sensible charging
Nov 01 05:58:25 <Leeds> er, slower, not smaller :)
Nov 01 05:58:32 <g00s_> "It's not clear how the magnets will affect the Nexus 5's compass and gyroscope" … like, permanently ? could this mess up the device ?
Nov 01 05:59:26 <JesusFreke> Leeds: it's fine for overnight charging
Nov 01 05:59:52 <g00s_> JesusFreke ugh, i've spent the last 3 days working through weird behavior of ragel code; i dont think its ragel, but sometimes you really have to think very hard about how its compiling the state machine; in this case a semantic condition is firing before the previous machine's exit action
Nov 01 06:00:01 <Leeds> JesusFreke: true, but I'd be thinking more desk than bedside
Nov 01 06:00:28 <Leeds> the point of wireless for me would be easy pick-up and put-down, which I don't need to do while I'm sleeping :)
Nov 01 06:00:32 <JesusFreke> Leeds: I don't have/use devices at/on/around my bedside :)
Nov 01 06:00:56 <JesusFreke> I usually just throw it down on the charger of an evening and forget about it
Nov 01 06:01:30 <ron_frown> ladies
Nov 01 06:01:31 <g00s_> JesusFreke is the wall charger faster than being plugged into a computer usually ?
Nov 01 06:01:36 <Leeds> phone is my alarm clock, tablet is my ereader - and my background noise machine to combat the SO's snoring
Nov 01 06:01:38 * g00s_ hasn't noticed
Nov 01 06:01:39 <Leeds> really loud snoring
Nov 01 06:01:40 <JesusFreke> g00s_: yes, by a fair margin usually
Nov 01 06:01:45 <ron_frown> yes I'm verizon and thus a bit buthurt about about the nexus 5
Nov 01 06:01:49 <ron_frown> but I am gonna pick up a g2
Nov 01 06:02:00 <Leeds> wall chargers typically go up to 2A nowadays, PC sockets are still mostly capped at 500mA
Nov 01 06:02:25 <Leeds> most devices come with at least a 1A wall charger
Nov 01 06:02:26 <ron_frown> start work on porting android 4.4 for my hardware tomorrow
Nov 01 06:02:57 <g00s_> ok; i guess usb 3 is much higher though
Nov 01 06:03:07 <g00s_> but yeah, my old laptop :) 500ma
Nov 01 06:03:27 <Leeds> g00s_: there have been a bunch of stories lately about USB3 potentially becoming an actual power standard, separate from data use
Nov 01 06:03:37 <g00s_> i think my old seagate driver toasted a usb port by sinking too much
Nov 01 06:04:11 <g00s_> ron_frown say no to vz ;)
Nov 01 06:04:27 <ron_frown> where I work there is nobody that comes anywhere CLOSE in coverage
Nov 01 06:04:35 <ron_frown> and I dont have a home phone
Nov 01 06:05:01 <g00s_> i never carry a phone and still manager to be fine :)
Nov 01 06:05:12 <g00s_> how the fuck can this be !
Nov 01 06:05:32 <ron_frown> do you have kids
Nov 01 06:05:36 <ron_frown> and do you have a day job =)
Nov 01 06:05:43 <g00s_> just use skype at work :)
Nov 01 06:05:50 <g00s_> i have a kid, with 4 legs :D
Nov 01 06:05:57 <Leeds> a young goat?
Nov 01 06:06:03 <ron_frown> cant pick up a phone
Nov 01 06:06:06 <g00s_> a fucking Lama !
Nov 01 06:06:10 <g00s_> no, a dog
Nov 01 06:06:10 <JesusFreke> sounds like a pretty bad birth defect
Nov 01 06:06:22 <g00s_> yeah, you know the water here in AZ
Nov 01 06:06:29 <g00s_> never can tell whats going to happen
Nov 01 06:08:56 <ron_frown> anywya
Nov 01 06:09:03 <ron_frown> nexus seems to leave a lot to be desired
Nov 01 06:09:13 <ron_frown> I'll deal with vzw and a weird placement of buttons
Nov 01 06:10:43 <g00s_> what processor is in the moto x ?
Nov 01 06:11:24 <Leeds> g00s_: snapdragon S4 Pro
Nov 01 06:11:35 <Leeds> with a motion co-pro and a voice recognition co-pro
Nov 01 06:12:04 <g00s_> MSM8960DT
Nov 01 06:12:21 <g00s_> hm
Nov 01 06:13:00 <StingRay_> anyone order a nexus5 ?
Nov 01 06:13:12 <g00s_> "The phone reportedly includes Qualcomm's Krait 300 CPU architecture as opposed to the Krait 200 (née Krait) in the Snapdragon S4 Plus."
Nov 01 06:14:57 <g00s_> i do wish along with the java 7 language features, they added classes from java 7 like nio.2. this still isn't a good situation
Nov 01 06:15:22 <g00s_> in kitkat that is
Nov 01 06:17:01 <g00s_> ron_frown does 4.4 give your HW any edge ?
Nov 01 06:17:09 <ron_frown> meh
Nov 01 06:17:18 <g00s_> maybe not worth it ;)
Nov 01 06:17:23 <ron_frown> its supposedly more optimized
Nov 01 06:17:34 <ron_frown> and in teh aosp builds the webview shit was real real real shitty
Nov 01 06:17:37 <ron_frown> touch handling was bad
Nov 01 06:17:46 <ron_frown> and canvas or svg rendering was terrible
Nov 01 06:17:49 <ron_frown> now everything is a chrome view
Nov 01 06:17:52 <ron_frown> that should be huge
Nov 01 06:21:51 <StingRay_> so many people are going to be complaining indirectly about 4.4
Nov 01 06:22:03 <StingRay_> they will see that their super duper amoled is burned
Nov 01 06:22:05 <StingRay_> :)
Nov 01 06:23:50 <g00s_> how is As 0.3.2 treating everybody :)
Nov 01 06:24:00 <g00s_> haven't seen any problems yet
Nov 01 06:24:16 <StingRay_> i'm still on 3.0
Nov 01 06:24:29 <StingRay_> updating now
Nov 01 06:25:23 <g00s_> i hope the new in process gradle build works well
Nov 01 06:25:47 <Blou_Aap> on mac 0.3.2 still gives a lot of ide internal crashes
Nov 01 06:25:55 <g00s_> oh shit
Nov 01 06:25:57 <Blou_Aap> but half as much as before
Nov 01 06:26:15 <g00s_> i'm on mac, i get those in some code folding for the editor
Nov 01 06:26:22 <Blou_Aap> yes
Nov 01 06:26:31 <StingRay_> Blou_Aap: I'm so used to that now, I call them status messages that happen to be red!
Nov 01 06:26:33 <g00s_> have to restart, editor goes dead
Nov 01 06:26:33 <Blou_Aap> and im using maven a lot
Nov 01 06:26:41 <g00s_> ooh
Nov 01 06:26:47 <Blou_Aap> with huge dependencies
Nov 01 06:26:57 <g00s_> if i was using maven i'd probably stay with plain intellij ;)
Nov 01 06:27:00 <Blou_Aap> but still, rather this than eclipse
Nov 01 06:35:15 <Ologn> Apple and Microsoft launched a major lawsuit against Google and Android
Nov 01 06:35:50 <Ologn> Or more specifically, the company they jointly own, Rockstar, did
Nov 01 06:36:06 <lemonxah> what is the problems with AppCompat and the themes?
Nov 01 06:38:16 <g00s_> lemonxah did you grab the newest appcompat released today ?
Nov 01 06:40:57 <Blou_Aap> why cant I overide EditText ?
Nov 01 06:41:15 <Blou_Aap> I really dont want to force style="" on evry edit text
Nov 01 06:41:28 <Blou_Aap> i got android:theme="" on my app in manifst
Nov 01 06:41:48 <Blou_Aap> I overide   <style name="LoginAndRegistration.GenericEditText" parent="@android:style/Widget.Holo.EditText">
Nov 01 06:42:07 <Blou_Aap> and cover all the matching arguments from Holo
Nov 01 06:42:18 <Blou_Aap> its in default "values" qualifier
Nov 01 06:42:30 <Blou_Aap> stles.xml and themes.xml
Nov 01 06:42:52 <Blou_Aap> in theme.xml i overide <style name="SBGTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Holo">
Nov 01 06:42:56 <lemonxah> no g00s_ i didn't
Nov 01 06:43:01 <lemonxah> but i will when i get home
Nov 01 06:43:05 <Blou_Aap> and  <item name="android:editTextStyle">@style/LoginAndRegistration.GenericEditText</item>
Nov 01 07:05:00 <veiz> BitmapFactory.decodeStream output an option with w/h, -1/-1... what's wrong with it?
Nov 01 07:55:29 <Pitel_IPEX> Oh great... i just updated google play services library in my project... and it crashed. According to exception, I had to add some meta-data element to my manifest specifying google play services version, but it's nowhere documented on the internet. Then, when the app starts, it says it need update to google play services. Okay, it opened Play store, and there is no update. Sigh, the edge is bleeding :/
Nov 01 07:56:21 <Pitel_IPEX> <meta-data android:name="com.google.android.gms.version" android:value="@integer/google_play_services_version" />
Nov 01 07:57:47 <Pitel_IPEX> http://android-developers.blogspot.cz/2013/10/google-play-services-40.html and the links there for maps and geofencing apis are returning 404.
Nov 01 08:28:48 <Nilium> The only when I care about is the Nexus 7 'cause screen recording gimme :|
Nov 01 08:28:53 <Nilium> Bah, scrolled up.
Nov 01 08:28:59 <Nilium> Well, that's totally out of context now.
Nov 01 08:29:24 * Nilium goes back to watching for splits
Nov 01 08:42:17 <dck28> Hi all, I've got a question about lockscreen widget lifecycle. Right now, the widget always reverts to the initialkeyguardlayout whenever the screen turns back on. The layout of my lockscreen widget does not persist. Does anyone know what might be the problem? The same widget works perfectly in the home screen host. Thanks!
Nov 01 08:43:07 <SoleSoul> Hi. I have a galaxy mini plus
Nov 01 08:43:16 <SoleSoul> sry, ignore
Nov 01 08:44:28 <SoleSoul> Hi. I have a galaxy mini plus and I couldn't find any rom based on 4.x which supports Hebrew. Is it a sane idea to compile Android on my own? How much effort is it?
Nov 01 09:07:41 <pduin> SoleSoul, you are more likely to get an answer in #android-root
Nov 01 09:10:19 <sulaiman> Hello, is it possible to know how many rows were deleted through a delete rawQuery?
Nov 01 09:57:38 <Miklas> I'm trying to create a video player with 3D effects (such as rotating the video in 3D, possibly even multiple video's). So I was wondering if - with lots of OpenGL ES calls and I need every bit of performance (because the frame rate cannot drop below 30FPS - is there any gain in using the NDK?
Nov 01 09:58:53 <Mavrik> using the NDK for what exactly?
Nov 01 10:00:03 <Miklas> For the video processing (reading a frame) and the OpenGL ES calls (getting the rendered video frame onto a quad and positioning it in 3D space)
Nov 01 10:05:51 <Mavrik> Miklas, well, last I checked MediaPlayer wasn't even exposed in NDK
Nov 01 10:06:00 <Mavrik> so you'll take a huge performance penalty
Nov 01 10:06:19 <Mavrik> if you'll take frames from Java to NDK instead of just using updateTexImage() which will copy frame (natively) on a texture
Nov 01 10:06:33 <Mavrik> your processing is being done on GPU via OGL anyway
Nov 01 10:07:27 <Miklas> So the SDK would be the better choice here?
Nov 01 10:09:10 <Mavrik> Miklas, first find out WHAT do you need
Nov 01 10:09:19 <Mavrik> if you don't even know how your video decoding will be done
Nov 01 10:09:31 <Mavrik> then it's really hard to tell you even if you CAN use NDK to do what you want.
Nov 01 10:10:51 <Miklas> It are default video's, nothing special to be done with the decoding. So a build in decoder would be nice. Let me check on the NDK docs.
Nov 01 10:36:27 <dck28> Hi all, I've got a question about lockscreen widget lifecycle. Right now, the widget always reverts to the initialkeyguardlayout whenever the screen turns back on. The layout of my lockscreen widget does not persist. Does anyone know what might be the problem? The same widget works perfectly in the home screen host. Thanks!
Nov 01 10:44:34 <Baluse> hello
Nov 01 11:40:52 <Zypho> So I downloaded the latest android SDK, the hello world tutorial mentions to change to the tools directory in the SDK and run android <command>, but I am getting the error: bash: android: command not found... any ideas?
Nov 01 11:42:21 <sigv> Zypho: what directory are you in right now?
Nov 01 11:42:42 <icedp> there is android commands?
Nov 01 11:42:47 <sigv> Zypho: that is, what is the output of `pwd`?
Nov 01 11:42:52 <icedp> I mean 'android' command ?
Nov 01 11:42:56 <sigv> icedp: yeah, $sdk/tools/android
Nov 01 11:43:11 <sigv> the sdk manager and a bunch of other things
Nov 01 11:43:18 <Zypho> sigv: /Users/mrudolph/adt-bundle-mac-x86_64-20130917/sdk/tools
Nov 01 11:43:40 <sigv> Zypho: try using ./android instead of android.
Nov 01 11:43:52 <sigv> (notice the "./" in the beginning)
Nov 01 11:44:02 <Zypho> Ah that works
Nov 01 11:44:05 <icedp> sigv: oh ok )) just ran it always thru SDK
Nov 01 11:44:15 <icedp> sigv: * IDE
Nov 01 11:44:39 <sigv> Zypho: yeah, okay. the issue with plain "android" did not work was that it was looking for a binary called android but in the wrong place. $PATH variable tells bash where to look for them.
Nov 01 11:45:27 <sigv> Zypho: your location of the android binary is not in $PATH so it could not find it. if you add "./" in front of it, that tells bash that it's the current directory.
Nov 01 11:45:37 <sigv> icedp: that works too. :0
Nov 01 11:45:40 <sigv> s/0/)/
Nov 01 11:45:57 <Zypho> sigv: should I reference the tools directory in my $PATH or the root SDK directory?
Nov 01 11:46:39 <sigv> Zypho: so, you can change the $PATH if you want. might be worth it if the path is not going to change in future.
Nov 01 11:47:15 <sigv> another important directory is $sdk/platform-tools/ because that contains adb and fastboot so you most likely want to add that one to $PATH too. ;)
Nov 01 11:48:39 <sigv> Zypho: mac has ~/.bashrc, right?
Nov 01 11:49:00 <Zypho> yup
Nov 01 11:49:01 <Zypho> got it
Nov 01 11:49:02 <Zypho> thanks
Nov 01 11:49:44 <sigv> just don't do a $PATH=~/adt-bundle/tools
Nov 01 11:49:58 <sigv> don't forget that you need to preserve the old $PATH
Nov 01 11:50:06 * sigv carries on
Nov 01 11:50:27 <Zypho> yeah
Nov 01 11:50:37 <sigv> icedp: here is the manual page for the android binary if you want to see what it does exactly. http://developer.android.com/tools/help/android.html
Nov 01 11:51:40 <icedp> sigv: thanks
Nov 01 11:52:08 <icedp> sigv: also you probably meant PATH=$PATH:~/adt-bundle/tools
Nov 01 11:52:33 <icedp> sigv: oh you said don't do ))) ok sorry
Nov 01 11:53:23 <sigv> icedp: haha, no problem :)
Nov 01 11:55:45 <icedp> my eyes just pass out the code from stream directly to hands without involving the brain which can understand "don't do" part
Nov 01 11:56:47 <CallumTaylor> has anyone else ever had an issue with GCM sending ints as strings in the received bundle extras?
Nov 01 12:04:15 <DarkSlay3r> Anyone have android 4.4 yet?
Nov 01 12:04:45 <Mavrik> -_-
Nov 01 12:18:35 <Zypho> Does the stock emulator provide access to the mic input?
Nov 01 12:20:27 <DarkSlay3r> Zypho: I will give you an arbitrarily chosen answer
Nov 01 12:20:33 <DarkSlay3r> will you accept it?
Nov 01 12:28:29 <rurufufuss> any NDK'ers know why my compilation includes sources from $NDK/platforms/android-3/ instead of the later ones?
Nov 01 12:28:44 <rurufufuss> is that a setting to be set somewhere, etc?
Nov 01 12:32:28 <Mavrik> rurufufuss, yep
Nov 01 12:32:36 <Mavrik> ndk-build APP_PLATFORM=android-9
Nov 01 12:32:45 <rurufufuss> thank you very much
Nov 01 13:12:59 <SidGBF> How to make Android reply to network broadcast messages?
Nov 01 13:14:47 <funkbox> bottom|right as a gravity sure does not seem to play nicely with a frame layout
Nov 01 13:32:06 <ReGiStRaS> is Nexus 5 out yet?
Nov 01 13:33:43 <p_l> ReGiStRaS: yes
Nov 01 13:33:49 <Zypho> its sold out though
Nov 01 13:34:00 <Zypho> sold out in canada in like 27 minutes
Nov 01 13:34:16 <funkbox> mine still hasn't shipped
Nov 01 13:34:22 <funkbox> i bought it at exactly 2 PM
Nov 01 13:56:37 <HorizonXP> funkbox: didn't it say it would take a few days to ship?
Nov 01 13:56:43 <HorizonXP> Mine is supposed to ship Nov 5 I think
Nov 01 13:57:06 <Leeds> some have shipped today, AFAIK
Nov 01 13:58:05 <HorizonXP> Leeds: ah. I guess I ordered it a few minutes too late.
Nov 01 13:58:20 <HorizonXP> Not a big deal, I won't be home until Nov 11 to receive it anyway
Nov 01 14:12:38 <Elderwolf> HorizonXP: Mine said Nov 5 as well, despite me ordering it when it said leaves 1-2 business days
Nov 01 14:13:03 <Elderwolf> HorizonXP: I'm suspecting that we'll see the shipments go out sooner, it's just a place holder while they go through the massive amounts of orders
Nov 01 14:13:21 <Elderwolf> Also, I'm totally not checking the status every 30 minutes.  Totally not obsessing...
Nov 01 14:13:33 <LiENUS> Elderwolf, yours said ships by nov 5
Nov 01 14:13:36 <LiENUS> not ships on nov 5
Nov 01 14:13:42 <LiENUS> you'll receive an email when yours ships
Nov 01 14:14:00 <LiENUS> i ordered 5 minutes after launch and received my email notification 11 hours later
Nov 01 14:14:10 <Elderwolf> LiENUS: yah, figured horizon had the same status.
Nov 01 14:14:47 <Elderwolf> I would have ordered a white one if the front was white. I'm not a fan of two tone.
Nov 01 14:15:31 <LiENUS> Elderwolf, mine still says leaves the warehouse by nov 5th
Nov 01 14:15:36 <LiENUS> despite having been updated to shipped status
Nov 01 14:20:11 <Elderwolf> I was trying to find documentation on sim card size.  Rumors suggested nano.  I bought a card cutter just in case, any idea?
Nov 01 14:20:40 <LiENUS> micro
Nov 01 14:20:53 <LiENUS> not rumor, confirmed by google
Nov 01 14:20:55 <ReGiStRaS> Should I wait for awhile to buy the N5 or just go ahead now?
Nov 01 14:21:43 <LiENUS> Elderwolf, https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3473178?hl=en&ref_topic=3485407
Nov 01 14:27:08 <Elderwolf> LiENUS: thanks
Nov 01 14:31:46 <HorizonXP> Elderwolf: I did have the same status
Nov 01 14:32:02 <HorizonXP> I ordered probably within the first 15 minutes
Nov 01 14:32:08 <HorizonXP> and it said 1-2 business days
Nov 01 14:39:46 <Turn_Left> are there any non java dev kits that produces brilliant android apps? any names?
Nov 01 14:40:04 <LiENUS> Turn_Left, android uses the java programming language...
Nov 01 14:40:12 <LiENUS> i mean you could use phonegap i suppose
Nov 01 14:40:37 <Turn_Left> oh i see.. but it's best to learn java?
Nov 01 14:41:05 <Turn_Left> i was thinking about qt quick
Nov 01 14:41:09 <yiati> Turn_left: Yes, if you are going for "brilliant" then Java and the Android SDK are the only way to go
Nov 01 14:41:21 <Turn_Left> yiati, oh i see
Nov 01 14:42:17 <pfn> non-java? scala
Nov 01 14:42:24 <pfn> but you should still have a firm understanding of java
Nov 01 14:42:24 <yiati> Turn_Left: There is the Android NDK which is in C/C++ and is built and supported by Google as a lower level library
Nov 01 14:42:26 <yiati> http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
Nov 01 14:42:41 <Turn_Left> ah thanks yiati
Nov 01 14:42:50 <Turn_Left> ok thanks also pfn
Nov 01 14:42:56 <pfn> you can't do any UI apps with the ndk, though
Nov 01 14:42:58 <yiati> Turn_Left: BUT, ... " In general, you should only use the NDK if it is essential to your app—never because you simply prefer to program in C/C++."
Nov 01 14:43:00 <pfn> unless you're gonna roll your own UI
Nov 01 14:43:20 <Turn_Left> oh i see
Nov 01 14:43:33 <pfn> but yeah, I write all my own apps in scala
Nov 01 14:43:37 <Turn_Left> ok i thnk it will be worth it to just learn java
Nov 01 14:43:41 <Turn_Left> oh
Nov 01 14:43:51 <LiENUS> pfn, real men use smali
Nov 01 14:44:01 <LiENUS> (thats a joke dont take it seriously turn_left)
Nov 01 14:44:09 <Turn_Left> :) ok
Nov 01 14:44:10 <yiati> LiENUS: Real men use whitespace
Nov 01 14:44:23 <yiati> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)
Nov 01 14:44:29 <CallumTaylor> real men use butterflies
Nov 01 14:44:34 <LiENUS> Turn_Left, you program in java, compile to java vm bytecode
Nov 01 14:44:46 <CallumTaylor> http://xkcd.com/378/
Nov 01 14:44:49 <LiENUS> then you convert the java vm bytecode to dalvik vm bytecode
Nov 01 14:44:50 <pfn> ugh, hangouts phone calls (web) aren't accepting dtmf right now
Nov 01 14:44:50 <Elderwolf> I code everything in assembly
Nov 01 14:45:00 <LiENUS> smali is the equivalent of assembly for the dalvik vm
Nov 01 14:45:08 <pfn> anything that can compile to java bytecode can be converted to dalvik
Nov 01 14:45:17 <pfn> so there are many jvm languages that are accessible for android
Nov 01 14:45:50 <Turn_Left> thanks for the info LiENUS
Nov 01 14:46:05 <pfn> anyway, yeah, smali isn't what you wanna do for app development either
Nov 01 14:46:12 <pfn> if you're hacking an app you don't have the source to, sure
Nov 01 14:46:33 <Leeds> smali is for hackers and communists
Nov 01 14:47:13 <CallumTaylor> lol Leeds
Nov 01 14:49:11 <LiENUS> pfn, im not sure why you'd use smali
Nov 01 14:49:17 <LiENUS> just dex2jar and java decompile it
Nov 01 14:49:36 <LiENUS> takes almost no more effort and makes it a hell of a lot easier to read
Nov 01 14:50:29 <pfn> LiENUS, because decompilation doesn't work 100%, and sometimes it doesn't work at all
Nov 01 14:50:37 <pfn> if you're using alternative jvm languages
Nov 01 14:50:44 <LiENUS> pfn, well there is that heh
Nov 01 14:50:54 <LiENUS> but anything interesting is gonna be in java anyway
Nov 01 14:51:01 <LiENUS> for instance i got curious about the new launcher
Nov 01 14:51:16 <LiENUS> the google experience launcher wrapper for it is just written in java
Nov 01 14:51:19 <LiENUS> so easy to decompile
Nov 01 14:52:58 <pfn> obfuscation can also make it difficult to compile
Nov 01 14:57:07 <pfn> decompile
Nov 01 15:06:38 <explodes> Is there a Free-To-Use (w/o credits i.e. Apache license) drawer view that slides out from the side of the screen, like Facebook's? Is the android NavigationDrawer usable just for a single activity?
Nov 01 15:06:47 <ReGiStRaS> Should I wait for awhile to buy the N5 or just go ahead now?
Nov 01 15:07:17 <Leeds> ReGiStRaS: BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
Nov 01 15:07:55 <PsychoGame> I noticed the removal of the msm7k folder in the new android-4.4 release. Does this mean from now on this platform will be unsupported?
Nov 01 15:07:57 <ReGiStRaS> but Kitkat is new...
Nov 01 15:08:12 <ReGiStRaS> so i thought issues will arise..
Nov 01 15:08:19 <CallumTaylor> explodes: http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/navigation-drawer.html
Nov 01 15:08:28 <Leeds> there are no issues
Nov 01 15:08:33 <Leeds> everything is perfect
Nov 01 15:08:40 <Leeds> and if there are, blame romainguy_
Nov 01 15:08:44 <ReGiStRaS> yet!
Nov 01 15:08:57 <CallumTaylor> god damn it romainguy_
Nov 01 15:10:14 <Elderwolf> So, is there a good way to encrypt and store credentials in Android or is my best bet creating a one-use password system that auto updates for my site?
Nov 01 15:10:32 <CallumTaylor> i think there's a credentials manager class
Nov 01 15:10:37 <CallumTaylor> or something similar
Nov 01 15:10:47 <CallumTaylor> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/accounts/AccountManager.html
Nov 01 15:11:00 <CallumTaylor> never used it though
Nov 01 15:14:38 <pfn> explodes, just use support-v4's implementations
Nov 01 15:15:55 <pfn> accountmanager isn't really a credentialmanager
Nov 01 15:17:22 <Elderwolf> Yah, that's what I seem to have found.  I'm afraid to roll my own becuase I figure it's too easy to decompile in android.
Nov 01 15:18:21 <explodes> pfn: cool, will do
Nov 01 15:19:10 <explodes> CallumTaylor: I know in iOS when you their navigation crap, whole subsets of UIViewControllers have to use a UINavigationViewController paradigm, I just want to add this in like a regular view, is this ok to do with NavigationDrawer?
Nov 01 15:19:37 <CallumTaylor> navigation draw can use a fragment or a standard view i believe
Nov 01 15:19:42 <CallumTaylor> generally you use a fragment
Nov 01 15:20:04 <pfn> explodes, yes
Nov 01 15:20:16 <pfn> DrawerLayout is a viewgroup like any other
Nov 01 15:20:21 <pfn> as is slidingpanelayout
Nov 01 15:21:36 <explodes> noice
Nov 01 15:21:39 <explodes> thanks!
Nov 01 15:28:55 <pfn> oh, there's a tiny bit of type inference added in java 1.7? heh
Nov 01 15:29:02 <pfn> that's kinda nice...
Nov 01 15:29:21 <CallumTaylor> is java 7 available in android now?
Nov 01 15:29:34 <CallumTaylor> i remember reading on the android studio change logs something about java 7
Nov 01 15:30:12 <Mavrik> CallumTaylor, some Java 7 features are supported yes
Nov 01 15:30:21 <Mavrik> for some you need to target API 19
Nov 01 15:30:24 <CallumTaylor> globally or only in android studio?
Nov 01 15:30:35 <Mavrik> SDK compiler afaik
Nov 01 15:30:44 <CallumTaylor> ah cool
Nov 01 15:32:12 <Mavrik> you'll probably just need to wait a bit for ADT and IDEA to integrate required stuff
Nov 01 15:32:18 <CallumTaylor> yeah :/
Nov 01 15:32:52 <CallumTaylor> java 7 has static method functionality in interfaces right?
Nov 01 15:33:45 <pfn> CallumTaylor, no, android doesn't support java7 bytecode
Nov 01 15:33:59 <CallumTaylor> shame
Nov 01 15:34:50 <pfn> not that there's anything in there worth using...
Nov 01 15:34:58 <pfn> only try-with-resources needs new bytecode
Nov 01 15:35:00 <bubbleguuum> doesn't API19 support try-with-resources ?
Nov 01 15:35:14 <pfn> dunno, but does it matter?
Nov 01 15:35:27 <bubbleguuum> not until 3 years until minSdkVersion=19 in most apps
Nov 01 15:35:33 <CallumTaylor> lol 3?
Nov 01 15:35:36 <CallumTaylor> that's optimistic
Nov 01 15:35:38 <bubbleguuum> probably 5
Nov 01 15:38:39 <pfn> doesn't matter most apps
Nov 01 15:38:42 <pfn> matters most devices
Nov 01 15:38:51 <pfn> and 3 years sounds pretty reasonable
Nov 01 15:39:03 <pfn> api14 minsdk can easily happen within the next year
Nov 01 15:39:07 <pfn> api14 is barely 2 years old
Nov 01 15:39:40 <bubbleguuum> I wouldn't be surprise most new apps go direct api14+ currently
Nov 01 15:40:38 <pfn> I dunno about most new apps
Nov 01 15:40:41 <pfn> but many do
Nov 01 15:41:00 <bubbleguuum> let's try targetSdkVersion=19 and see if app explodes...
Nov 01 15:41:14 <CallumTaylor> I'm hoping min 14 will be a reality for me after christmas
Nov 01 15:41:22 <CallumTaylor> when everyone gives their parents their old nexus 4s
Nov 01 15:44:31 <pfn> why would it explode
Nov 01 15:44:49 <CallumTaylor> can't handle the awesomeness of the new features
Nov 01 15:45:03 <CallumTaylor> gets stuck in an infinite loop of wows
Nov 01 15:45:36 <toxie> good morning
Nov 01 15:46:37 <toxie> can anybody tell me how to format a long number in time without offset
Nov 01 15:46:50 <toxie> i get a 18 hours offset
Nov 01 15:47:47 <pfn> new Date(millis, TimeZone)
Nov 01 15:47:53 <pfn> or something like that
Nov 01 15:48:12 <pfn> then format from there
Nov 01 15:58:51 <toxie> what timezone do i have to put?
Nov 01 16:00:05 <gueroJeff> Hi all, I'm trying to compile a list of all of the default locale's Android is delivered in. To this point, I've been relying on looking through the res directories of platform/packages/apps on master and have found 52 locales. Some apps that require rooting, however, have the count up to 83 (see http://wanamlite.com/language-enabler-enable-languages-samsung-roms/). Is there a better way of...
Nov 01 16:00:07 <gueroJeff> ...finding this list? Where might the discrepancy be coming from between the two counts?
Nov 01 16:05:55 <kevinb> device manufactures or custom roms might add their own translations not part of the open source android
Nov 01 16:06:26 <kevinb> my analytics show 202 variants of languages (that includes variants like "ko", "ko_KR", "ko_US")
Nov 01 16:06:35 <kevinb> i can send you the list of the 202 if you want it
Nov 01 16:06:44 <kevinb> oh 206 actually
Nov 01 16:08:33 <gueroJeff> kevinb: I'd really appreciate that. Thank you! What analytics did you run in order to determine that?
Nov 01 16:09:04 <kevinb> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7274735a8dd81dcd4f87
Nov 01 16:09:23 <kevinb> it's custom built analytics as the main offerings don't really fit my app type
Nov 01 16:10:06 <kevinb> my app is always running and "sessions" like google analytics and the like don't really make sense. so instead i have a checkin setup where once a month the install will checkin and report the device/rom/language and the app's user preferences
Nov 01 16:11:47 <gueroJeff> kevinb: cool. thanks for your help!
Nov 01 16:11:52 <kevinb> np
Nov 01 16:25:45 <bdbaddog> Is there any trick on getting the support4Demos or support7demos (which us the compat libraries ) to build?
Nov 01 16:25:45 <bdbaddog> for support4demos I get android:autoMirrored="true"   no resource identifier autoMirrored in package android
Nov 01 16:26:43 <bdbaddog> also tons of "error retriving parent for item:… android:Widget.Holo.ActionBar
Nov 01 16:27:07 <Leeds> autoMirrored appears to be part of the K RTL stuff
Nov 01 16:27:34 <bdbaddog> This is unmodified code from the <adt>/sdk/extras/android/support/...
Nov 01 16:28:12 <bdbaddog> been banging my head against a wall for a day or so now.. seems that code straight from google ought to just work..
Nov 01 16:28:27 <Leeds> have you updated your SDK for API19?
Nov 01 16:28:39 <bdbaddog> I've imported the android-support-v7-{appcompat,gridlayout,mediarouter) libraries and those build fine
Nov 01 16:28:42 <bdbaddog> yup. updated last night.
Nov 01 16:28:57 <bdbaddog> same problem with previous version.
Nov 01 16:28:59 <bdbaddog> using eclipse
Nov 01 16:29:02 <Leeds> and are you building with targetsdk 19?
Nov 01 16:29:43 <bdbaddog> nope. just changed.
Nov 01 16:30:06 <bdbaddog> clean and rebuilding.
Nov 01 16:30:22 <bdbaddog> so is eclipse defaulitng the targetsdk? or is it wrong  in the sample code?
Nov 01 16:31:39 <bdbaddog> ok so targetsdk needs to be latest then? whenevr I update the sdk and support libraries?
Nov 01 16:32:12 <Leeds> in this case, the demo code has been updated for K, so yes
Nov 01 16:32:20 <SimonVT> If you want to use features added in the latest api, you need to build against the latest api
Nov 01 16:32:26 <bdbaddog> so should that be api 19 google, or android?
Nov 01 16:32:51 <bdbaddog> o.k. I guess that makes sense. just getting confused because I want to run on 2.3.6 and above.
Nov 01 16:32:55 <Leeds> in general - at least for ant, and so probably for eclipse - you're meant to generate your own build stuff locally, so it has the right path for the SDK, etc.
Nov 01 16:33:05 <SimonVT> Build target != min sdk
Nov 01 16:33:37 <bdbaddog> o.k. rebuilding supportv7demos now with sdk 19.
Nov 01 16:33:42 <Leeds> and the build target is part of that
Nov 01 16:33:47 <Mavrik> my god, gradle support in Android Studio is so broken it's not even funny
Nov 01 16:34:04 <bdbaddog> o.k. that seems to work too.
Nov 01 16:34:09 <bdbaddog> o.k. now I feel just dumb.
Nov 01 16:34:23 <bdbaddog> :) thanks. I was thinking it was something simple I wasn't groking!
Nov 01 16:34:29 <Leeds> bdbaddog: were you drinking last night?
Nov 01 16:34:40 <bdbaddog> bdbaddog:  Was it night? ;)
Nov 01 16:35:06 <Leeds> er?
Nov 01 16:35:41 <bdbaddog> Like asking if I was breathing last night..
Nov 01 16:35:59 <bdbaddog> though the problems were the cause rather than caused by..
Nov 01 16:36:04 <bdbaddog> fairly new to android.
Nov 01 16:36:25 <Leeds> I was trying to give you an excuse :)
Nov 01 16:37:02 <bdbaddog> Nah. I own my lack of knowledge.. Accept and overcome.. (From Mr. Baseball with Tom Selleck)
Nov 01 16:37:18 <Leeds> Build it and they will come... life is like a box of chocolates
Nov 01 16:39:21 <bdbaddog> So if I add actionbar (via appcompat) to an existing applciation which is Activity based and not fragment based, do I need to switch to fragments?  If I want a series of screens to have the same action menu?
Nov 01 16:40:33 <Leeds> you can use ActionBarActivity, AFAIK
Nov 01 16:42:17 <Leeds> for what it's worth, it's a good idea to get into the habit of just throwing things into the d.android.com search box - I'd never heard of autoMirrored before searching
Nov 01 16:42:37 <CallumTaylor> alfred workflow ftw
Nov 01 16:46:42 <evanc> Leeds: that's also a new (API 19) API, right?
Nov 01 16:46:59 <Leeds> evanc: the mirrored stuff?  yeah
Nov 01 16:55:37 <misterli> Hello. Straight after starting my App (Paho MQTT Client) i get (on a few devices) an exception Error locating the logging class. I added slf4j as library but the same result. Any idea what i may do? i found in the source of paho client..         private static String jsr47LoggerClassName = "org.eclipse.paho.client.mqttv3.logging.JSR47Logger";
Nov 01 17:00:24 <CallumTaylor> is the library exported with the app?
Nov 01 17:00:37 <misterli> Its imported, yes.
Nov 01 17:00:52 <misterli> and in Project Settings as "CompilE" defined
Nov 01 17:01:01 <misterli> it works on the most devices. But not on a few
Nov 01 17:08:29 <Elderwolf> Tired of seeing status "peding" on my N5
Nov 01 17:08:51 <Leeds> you'd prefer "stroling"?
Nov 01 17:09:02 <CallumTaylor> wtf is peding
Nov 01 17:10:00 <Elderwolf> I don't know, but i think it means i'm not getting a Nexus 5
Nov 01 17:10:26 <Elderwolf> but yah, missed an 'n' "pending"
Nov 01 17:10:32 <CallumTaylor> ah haha
Nov 01 17:12:08 <anddam> I just installed Android Studio, installed several SDKs, Android Support Library and Android Support Repository, I created a new project with targetSdk 17. When I try to compile the module I get "Unresolved dependencies: - com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+"
Nov 01 17:12:28 <misterli> edit your gradle files
Nov 01 17:12:30 <anddam> I read the support-library intro but I don't get what's suggesting http://developer.android.com/tools/support-library/setup.html#add-library
Nov 01 17:13:05 <anddam> "http://developer.android.com/tools/support-library/setup.html#add-library" then there are instructions for Eclips with ADT and Android Studio, I'm using the latter so I followed that
Nov 01 17:13:31 <anddam> sorry bad paste
Nov 01 17:13:51 <anddam> "In order to use a Support Library, you must modify your application's project's classpath dependencies within your development environment." then there are instructions for Eclips with ADT and Android Studio, I'm using the latter so I followed that
Nov 01 17:14:28 <anddam> but adding    compile "com.android.support:support-v4:18.0.+"    to build.gradle doesn't edit the classpath like the instructions said, is that correct?
Nov 01 17:15:07 <anddam> how do I edit the project's classpath to include the Support Repository?
Nov 01 17:15:44 <anddam> and why are the instructions using :18.0+ at the end of the compile statement in build.gradle?
Nov 01 17:16:09 <anddam> since I'm using sdk version 17 should it be :17.0+ ?
Nov 01 17:25:55 <Gavilan2> Hello! Has anyone succesfully tested a listview with roboelectric? it doesn't seem to be drawing any of the list items......
Nov 01 17:27:40 <misterli> anddam. Synchronize your gradle after adding the support library
Nov 01 17:27:49 <misterli> i guess you are using android studio, right?
Nov 01 17:28:39 <anddam> misterli: yes, I think I wrote that. How do I sync gradle from Android Studio?
Nov 01 17:28:51 <anddam> I mean is that an operation done from AS?
Nov 01 17:29:27 <anddam> also, I'm not sure if I add the support library at all, my build.gradle already had " compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+'"
Nov 01 17:30:27 <anddam> https://gist.github.com/anddam/7268853 error and build.gradle
Nov 01 17:36:19 <anddam> found "sync Project with gradle file" in toolbar
Nov 01 17:37:51 <anddam> misterli: so the synchronization gives me the same "unresolved dependencies" error, even with the suggested "compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:18.0+'" or "compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:17.0+'"
Nov 01 17:43:43 <romainguy_> Leeds: it's not my fault anymore :)
Nov 01 17:43:59 <CallumTaylor> oh touché
Nov 01 17:44:40 <`backtick`> anddam: you probably have to exclude the library from the dependencies loaded by one of your depended upon libs
Nov 01 17:44:52 <`backtick`> because of conflicting or incompatible version numbers
Nov 01 17:44:55 <Leeds> romainguy_: that's why you're the perfect Guy to blame!
Nov 01 17:45:09 <CallumTaylor> ayo
Nov 01 17:46:18 <Leeds> because... the logic may be slightly stretched here... it's not your fault, so you don't care if people blame you :)
Nov 01 17:46:24 <Leeds> I'll work on the theory
Nov 01 17:46:55 <`backtick`> sufficient cleverness can explain anything logically
Nov 01 17:59:37 <misterli> Hello. Straight after starting my App (Paho MQTT Client) i get (on a few devices) an exception Error locating the logging class. I added slf4j as library but the same result. Any idea what i may do? i found in the source of paho client.. private static String jsr47LoggerClassName = "org.eclipse.paho.client.mqttv3.logging.JSR47Logger";
Nov 01 17:59:44 <andykitkat> Hello, does anyone know if Android 4.4 supports ID3 tags when playing http live streaming content?
Nov 01 18:01:16 <andykitkat> Any folks from Google here?
Nov 01 18:03:55 <explodes> this drawable is drawing a top AND bottom border, it should only be border…
Nov 01 18:04:23 <explodes> http://pastie.org/8448531
Nov 01 18:04:29 <explodes> Whyyyyyyyy android
Nov 01 18:10:18 <anddam> `backtick`: "the library" == appcompat-v7?
Nov 01 18:10:48 <anddam> `backtick`: also I'm not sure who could be depending on it, I create a new android application with AS and tried to build that
Nov 01 18:10:52 <anddam> should be pretty straightforward
Nov 01 18:12:30 <`backtick`> oh, do you have the support libraries?
Nov 01 18:13:33 <andykitkat> Is this the wrong forum for asking development questions for media playback?
Nov 01 18:32:58 <totic> Hi does anybody know  a better way of launching the google naviation than this:
Nov 01 18:32:59 <totic>  startActivity(new Intent(Intent.ACTION_VIEW, Uri.parse("google.navigation:q=" + address))
Nov 01 18:33:28 <totic> its just in the new version it takes forever to get it to go to the navigation and now it requires 5 clicks to exit
Nov 01 18:34:26 <jasta> hmm
Nov 01 18:34:38 <jasta> aosp 4.4 isn't building for me on two different ubuntu boxes
Nov 01 18:34:38 <jasta> wtf
Nov 01 18:36:01 <`backtick`> ok
Nov 01 18:36:19 <`backtick`> fix it and submit a patch, jasta?
Nov 01 18:36:36 <Looney> I am interested in seeing/modifying my phone lockscreen code
Nov 01 18:36:45 <Looney> running cyanogenmod
Nov 01 18:36:46 <jasta> `backtick`: still trying to work out why
Nov 01 18:36:53 <Looney> where should I look
Nov 01 18:37:44 <`backtick`> just being a brat
Nov 01 18:37:50 <`backtick`> < is
Nov 01 18:47:14 <kevinb> totic: they export the navigation activity still, com.google.android.apps.maps/com.google.android.maps.driveabout.app.DestinationActivity , not sure if calling that directly is any better than using ACTION_VIEW though. easy way to find exported activities is install nova launcher (disclaimer: my app) and long-press in empty space > Shortcuts > Activities, then find the activity you want. if you want to know the component name, enable Nova Settings > Long-pr
Nov 01 18:47:14 <kevinb> volume down for labs > Debug > Show Component in Edit dialog, then long-press on the activity shortcut on the desktop and select Edit
Nov 01 18:48:35 <totic> Nice, thanks kevinb !
Nov 01 18:51:07 <totic> You have made a pretty penny from it kevin, good for you!
Nov 01 18:51:25 <totic> Do I need the prime version?
Nov 01 18:51:46 <kevinb> haha yeah it's done pretty well. you don't need the prime version for activities or to find their component names
Nov 01 18:52:09 <kevinb> i mainly put the component name thing in their for my own usage, or for use by theme developers
Nov 01 18:58:50 <rikkus> I've just changed my app from having a couple of Fragments within an Activity (no support.v4), layout defined in xml, to having a main FragmentActivity, containing a FrameLayout, into which I insert a Fragment at onCreate, as talked about here: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html
Nov 01 18:59:29 <rikkus> Unfortunately, I just see a black screen when I run the app. I've set the background of the main FrameLayout to a colour, and that of the Fragment I add, but see nothing. Any idea how to debug this?
Nov 01 19:01:38 <kakazza> Any good reason to have minSdk=14 instead of minSdk=15?
Nov 01 19:01:45 <rikkus>         getSupportFragmentManager()
Nov 01 19:01:45 <rikkus>                 .beginTransaction()
Nov 01 19:01:45 <rikkus>                 .add(R.id.mainContainer, workoutsFragment)
Nov 01 19:01:45 <rikkus>                 .commit();
Nov 01 19:01:49 <rikkus> seems reasonable I think
Nov 01 19:01:54 <kakazza> I guess, since 14 isn't even present in the dashboard...
Nov 01 19:01:55 <rikkus> (sorry for multiline spam)
Nov 01 19:02:00 <kakazza> Did 14 have problems?
Nov 01 19:03:19 <Baluse> hello is there a way to get my keystore back from keystore.debug ?
Nov 01 19:08:03 <g00s> Baluse why? its ephermeral
Nov 01 19:08:27 <g00s> if you have a mismatch on device, just delete the app and install with new debug key
Nov 01 19:08:29 <rikkus> My fragment stuff was working - it's just that there was an uncaught exception in later code, so I didn't see the ui
Nov 01 19:08:41 <anddam> `backtick`: yes I have the support Library and Repository, I'm using AS tho' so only the latter should matter
Nov 01 19:09:02 <`backtick`> what's your build.gradle look like?
Nov 01 19:09:03 <totic> kevinb:  I can't get the "long-press in empty space > Shortcuts > Activities" from the navigations
Nov 01 19:09:19 <totic> There aren't empty spaces
Nov 01 19:11:50 <rikkus> Before I changed to loading a Fragment myself at runtime, rather than adding it to the main Activity's layout, I could call findViewById(R.id.listViewFoo) to find that ListView within the Fragment, but now when I call it, it returns null. After adding Fragments, do I need to wait for some callback to say that I can now address objects within them?
Nov 01 19:12:30 <rikkus> (I'm not comfortable with my Activity addressing a ListView inside a Fragment which it shouldn't care much about, but this seems to be necessary to use Loader)
Nov 01 19:15:46 <`backtick`> address objects inside of fragments with code inside of fragments
Nov 01 19:16:07 <rikkus> makes sense ;)
Nov 01 19:16:10 <`backtick`> give the fragments the data they need to populate their own views
Nov 01 19:16:38 * rikkus tries it that way around
Nov 01 19:22:00 <porten> If I have an external java package/library, can I build my apk via ant without creating a jar file and putting it into the libs directory?
Nov 01 19:22:14 <porten> something like referencing the classpath?
Nov 01 19:25:15 <Baluse> could i have
Nov 01 19:25:26 <Baluse> com.domain.android.app1
Nov 01 19:25:27 <Baluse> com.domain.android.app2
Nov 01 19:25:36 <Baluse> at store ? or it is going to confict?
Nov 01 19:26:15 <Leeds> nope, that's fine
Nov 01 19:32:38 <g00s> i wonderhow this strategy will pan out http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/1/5053878/android-4-4-kitkat-and-google-quest-for-the-next-billion
Nov 01 19:33:15 <g00s> on the one hand, its a necessary technical improvement to get one version of android on a greater range of phones
Nov 01 19:33:28 <g00s> otoh, carriers and oems don't really seem to give a crap
Nov 01 19:33:54 <edcba> that's why they want to bypass them
Nov 01 19:33:56 <g00s> and i wonder if this will lead to a general decline in the quality of handsets we see on the market, like all the crap during the froyo days
Nov 01 19:34:14 <g00s> most of the sellers now for android are high end phones
Nov 01 19:34:27 <g00s> moto x seems affordable, i suppose, but still has good specs
Nov 01 19:35:24 <g00s> edcba i wonder how realistic that is , though. they 'bypass' by selling nexus devices, but nexus devices have never historically sold that well from what i've read (compared to other devices, like SGS3, etc)
Nov 01 19:35:54 <g00s> and i recall nexus devices being more like overstock used by google engineers for that version of the platform
Nov 01 19:36:04 <g00s> that they decided to sell to the public ;)
Nov 01 19:36:21 <misterli> Hello. Straight after starting my App (Paho MQTT Client) i get (on a few devices) an exception Error locating the logging class. I added slf4j as library but the same result. Any idea what i may do? i found in the source of paho client.. private static String jsr47LoggerClassName = "org.eclipse.paho.client.mqttv3.logging.JSR47Logger";
Nov 01 19:36:44 <romainguy_> g00s: nexus devices are not overstock :)
Nov 01 19:37:11 <g00s> romainguy_ :) i wish i could find that article again
Nov 01 19:37:58 <g00s> misterli jsr47 is JUL right ?
Nov 01 19:38:12 <romainguy_> g00s: there's one thing I learned by working on Android: articles (esp. online) are often very wrong, sometimes a little wrong and rarely right :)
Nov 01 19:38:24 <g00s> :D
Nov 01 19:38:48 <g00s> i guess thats what starts conspiracy theories; wanting to know whats going on but having only straws to grasp at
Nov 01 19:39:07 <pfn> romainguy_, of course...
Nov 01 19:39:08 <g00s> i'll remember what romainguy_ says when reading future articles though ;)
Nov 01 19:39:08 <`backtick`> dammit google
Nov 01 19:39:11 <pfn> romainguy_, people are just wrong by default
Nov 01 19:39:23 <`backtick`> when I ordered it, the shipping time was supposed to be <2days, now it's 1wk
Nov 01 19:39:41 <Mavrik> for fucks sake, using gradle to build my app was the worst decision I made this year
Nov 01 19:39:43 <LiENUS> romainguy_, yeah they are
Nov 01 19:39:57 * Mavrik is in stabbing mood.
Nov 01 19:39:58 <`backtick`> wait.. nvm, works in business days math, kinda almost
Nov 01 19:39:59 <LiENUS> you didnt know that when lg cant sel g2s they just pop off the 5.2" screen and put on a 5" screen and call it a n5
Nov 01 19:40:00 <LiENUS> ?
Nov 01 19:41:13 <Looney> I think even eclipse would have done better  :-D Mavrik
Nov 01 19:41:27 <Mavrik> yes, it would have.
Nov 01 19:41:30 <Mavrik> gah.
Nov 01 19:41:46 <g00s> i get most of my news from the verge; i though it to be pretty reputable :|
Nov 01 19:42:18 <g00s> Mavrik one more soul claimed by gradle :D
Nov 01 19:42:22 <Looney> use vi and ant to live a hassle free minimalistic coding environment which works Mavrik
Nov 01 19:42:33 <Looney> heheh g00s
Nov 01 19:42:51 <Mavrik> yes, now that would be totally moronic
Nov 01 19:42:56 <g00s> i had a rough start but no problems with 0.6.3
Nov 01 19:42:57 * Mavrik goes off to write pom.xml
Nov 01 19:43:24 <Looney> heard good things about maven as well, Mavrik but never tried it myself
Nov 01 19:43:39 <Mavrik> Looney, yeah, I'm using maven for most stuff
Nov 01 19:43:45 <Looney> ok
Nov 01 19:43:56 <Mavrik> it's not Gradle per-se that's problematic... it's the fact that the IDE integration is totally horrible
Nov 01 19:44:03 <Looney> well, ant is taking care of me for now, so not much need
Nov 01 19:44:10 <Mavrik> and breaks in really wierd ways when you want to do something more advanced like annotation processing
Nov 01 19:44:16 <Looney> for something like maven
Nov 01 19:44:18 <Mavrik> I can do command-line builds fine... but IDEA just barfs
Nov 01 19:44:44 <Looney> well, barfing implies that you are using eclipse
Nov 01 19:45:06 <Looney> well, I gotta go and hit the bed
Nov 01 19:45:19 <Looney> catch you people later ;-)
Nov 01 19:46:48 <g00s> Mavrik if you have a problem please file a bug; also mention it on google groups adt-dev, maybe alex / tor will see it
Nov 01 19:47:10 <rikkus> `backtick`: Doing it that way worked and my code is much cleaner, thanks! I thought I had to have some code in the Activity and some in the Fragment, but I really only needed to reference the Activity a couple of times in the Fragment - for my SimpleCursorAdapter Context and Loader Context.
Nov 01 19:47:21 <g00s> i tried it with dagger and everything seemed to work ok; i thought that used an annotation prcessor
Nov 01 19:48:12 <BenOrnstin> I love how Eclipse has gone from feeling like the darling IDE that everone loves to the opposite in just a couple years
Nov 01 19:48:38 <BenOrnstin> I used to absolutely love it, and now it just feels like an unstable convoluted mess
Nov 01 19:50:03 <g00s> BenOrnstin the eclipse guys took a survey and found widespread dissatisfaction , hopefully they act :)
Nov 01 19:50:10 <g00s> but from what i hear, they have a manpower issue
Nov 01 19:51:49 <Ologn> My main problem with Eclipse is it seems to take forever to start and do other thigns
Nov 01 19:52:12 <Ologn> Also if I hit the wrong button everything becomes screwed up, which happens in Eclipse more than other apps
Nov 01 19:52:32 <Ologn> I don't even use it any more
Nov 01 19:54:01 <BenOrnstin> g00s, I hope so, because objectively I like it a lot
Nov 01 19:54:04 <Mavrik> g00s, honestly, I really don't wanna waste any more time dealing with debugging my tooling instead of developing my stuff :/
Nov 01 19:54:31 <BenOrnstin> But these days there are all these quirky crashes (when I export large apk's with Build Automatically turned on, etc) that just piss me off
Nov 01 19:54:54 <BenOrnstin> I'm not all that into switching IDE's midproject, so we'll see what happens I guess
Nov 01 19:54:59 <misterli> g00s. Jul?
Nov 01 19:55:43 <BenOrnstin> Hell, these days, I have to delete .lock file every couple times I open eclipse or it'll stall out right away
Nov 01 19:56:21 <g00s> misterli jsr46 is java.util.logging i think
Nov 01 19:56:22 <g00s> *jsr47
Nov 01 19:56:29 <g00s> so it can't find some static factory or something
Nov 01 19:56:48 <misterli> Okay. Well, why does it work on some devices and dont on some others?
Nov 01 19:57:51 <g00s> thats weird, its api 1 so it should be there
Nov 01 19:59:48 <g00s> Mavrik yeah, thats the big mistake i made. i migrated all my stuff to gradle (back in 0.4.x plugin days) and changed directory structure to match (even though, you can customize gradle to use the old structure). anyhow, by the end of it , once you use gradle you're either using vi/emacs/ST or AS; and AS was pretty damn rough back then.
Nov 01 20:00:01 <g00s> my productivity went to 0; i think pfn saw me swearing a lot :)
Nov 01 20:00:14 <g00s> hated life, wish i didn't make those changes, etc :D
Nov 01 20:00:32 <g00s> but now things have settled down, thank goodness
Nov 01 20:01:46 <g00s> i was physically reorganizing the project for better modularity; there was no way i was going to get it to load in eclipse any more. so i had to abandon it
Nov 01 20:02:00 <g00s> abandon eclipse ;)
Nov 01 20:05:13 <`backtick`> rikkus: glad to hear it
Nov 01 20:06:47 <Mavrik> g00s, mhm :)
Nov 01 20:07:04 <g00s> Mavrik i think you remember me swearing a lot too :)
Nov 01 20:07:12 <Mavrik> I'll hold on to Maven for company projects for a while :)
Nov 01 20:07:19 <Mavrik> at least until AS integration improves
Nov 01 20:07:31 <g00s> oh yeah, for deadlines / production i would not go with AS yet
Nov 01 20:07:32 <dragorn> hm; is there anything that would block runonuithread?  I'm seeing updates queue for a while and then eventually they all show up at once; the UI itself isn't blocked in the meantime
Nov 01 20:08:01 <dragorn> no, i stand corrected.  Nevermind.
Nov 01 20:08:06 <g00s> :)
Nov 01 20:11:03 <g00s> in AS, each time i right click -> run a test, it adds a new run configuration. this seems excessive since i have to delete them again :| any way around this ?
Nov 01 20:11:15 <g00s> right click on a test method
Nov 01 20:13:59 <`backtick`> who here groks the actionbar pretty well?
Nov 01 20:14:28 <seand> grok?
Nov 01 20:14:29 <diphtherial> i'm not sure if this is the appropriate channel to ask (it's more of an IDE question), but is there an easy way to build an eclipse project from the command line?
Nov 01 20:14:46 <diphtherial> i have a lot of project submissions from students, and i'm kind of loathe to have to import each and every one of them into eclipse
Nov 01 20:14:53 <missingno> speaking of ide questions is android studio any good
Nov 01 20:15:03 <diphtherial> it's based on intellij idea, of which i'm very fond
Nov 01 20:15:14 <tigrang> In one of my activities, using an AlertDialog has a white theme, and in another one it has a dark theme. Where is the theme setting set for dialog look?
Nov 01 20:15:24 <diphtherial> the ide is much more sensibly laid out and less prone to weird behavior than eclipse imo
Nov 01 20:15:35 <missingno> why does it create a FooProject alongside Foo
Nov 01 20:16:00 <`backtick`> this is the xml for a custom view I have (extends RelativeLayout): http://hastebin.com/taruhowoqe.xml
Nov 01 20:16:04 <tigrang> diphtherial: eclipse builds faster for me, though. I love intellij but the DEX stage takes forever
Nov 01 20:16:20 <missingno> "forever" is fortunately 20secs for me
Nov 01 20:16:22 <`backtick`> I can't get anything but the one ImageView that is marked as userBarItem_button to show, ever
Nov 01 20:16:27 <tigrang> 2 minutes for me
Nov 01 20:16:31 <tigrang> min
Nov 01 20:16:46 <missingno> damn dog
Nov 01 20:17:12 <tigrang> so, anyone know where AlertDialog gets its theme setting from and how to make it look like the light theme
Nov 01 20:17:37 <`backtick`> diphtherial: possibly relevant - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8444424/building-an-android-project-from-command-line-with-eclipse
Nov 01 20:18:22 <g00s> diphtherial why not have your student just include the ant build from 'project update' or whatever ?
Nov 01 20:18:43 <g00s> why if i had to import x projects for each student i'd probably kill myself
Nov 01 20:18:55 <`backtick`> tigrang: possibly relevant - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2422562/how-to-change-theme-for-alertdialog
Nov 01 20:19:18 <diphtherial> tigrang: fair enough; i haven't used android studio much, just intellij
Nov 01 20:19:24 <diphtherial> `backtick`: thanks :) i'll try that out
Nov 01 20:19:44 <diphtherial> g00s: it's too late for that, unfortunately :\ this is the last lab i'll have to grade of theirs, so i'll be ok
Nov 01 20:19:48 <`backtick`> teaching them to use ant will save you a lot of pain
Nov 01 20:19:50 <diphtherial> most of them submitted APKs, thankfully
Nov 01 20:20:06 <diphtherial> agreed, although it's kind of outside the scope of the class, and i'm just grading for this lab...
Nov 01 20:20:08 <diphtherial> er, class
Nov 01 20:20:28 <diphtherial> there are only twenty students in the class, anyhow
Nov 01 20:20:30 <`backtick`> but too late
Nov 01 20:20:31 <`backtick`> yeah
Nov 01 20:20:35 <tigrang> `backtick`: thanks, I'm just wondering why it looks different in different activities, though. I can't see anything differently Im doing betweent he two
Nov 01 20:20:52 <g00s> diphtherial i'm surprised you didn't write some script to take their code, create the ant build scripts, and then deploy to an emu :)
Nov 01 20:21:03 <`backtick`> do the activities have themes set?
Nov 01 20:21:10 <tigrang> Im not doing anything special in one activity that it has white background (which I want in my second activities)
Nov 01 20:21:17 <diphtherial> heh, that's actually a great idea; their projects are all laid out the same way, so i could just supply my own build script
Nov 01 20:22:12 <tigrang> `backtick`: no
Nov 01 20:22:57 <`backtick`> sorry... I haven't actually run into that problem before, then
Nov 01 20:23:15 <g00s> diphtherial i remember back in the day at uni; we submitted our code to a system that built and tested it, and compared the output down to the last space :)
Nov 01 20:23:21 <`backtick`> nor do I understand enough about what's going on in your application
Nov 01 20:24:10 <`backtick`> so, nobody on the actionbar weirdnesses?
Nov 01 20:26:56 <g00s> Nilium do you use Ps? i noticed a moom reviewer give 1 star because there was some issue there; i use Lr and think adobe does something flaky with their maximize behavior on mac
Nov 01 20:27:50 <Nilium> I use it, doesn't work in Photoshop, doesn't matter.
Nov 01 20:28:20 <Nilium> Leaving one star because Adobe can't keep its shit together isn't really reasonable.
Nov 01 20:28:46 <g00s> Nilium ok, but its not like it causes problems with other windows just because Ps/Lr is up … if it doesn't work with that app i dont care, yeah
Nov 01 20:28:51 <Nilium> Mainly 'cause it works through the accessibility APIs, so if there's an issue, it's Adobe's absolute hatred of friendly user interfaces and accessibility.
Nov 01 20:28:54 <Nilium> No.
Nov 01 20:29:21 <Nilium> I don't use Lightroom, so I don't know if that hijacks any global hotkeys or whatever, but I've never noticed any issues like that.
Nov 01 20:30:06 <g00s> Lr has a 2 or so window maximize functions, but they seem to just cover the whole screen rather than call some native os x function for real full screen apps
Nov 01 20:30:37 <g00s> yeah adobe .. ugh
Nov 01 20:32:19 <tigrang> `backtick`: on one it looks like http://blog.stylingandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/text.png and the other activity looks like http://i.stack.imgur.com/mcHz6.png
Nov 01 20:35:13 <`backtick`> well, then
Nov 01 20:37:30 <tigrang> `backtick`: I think I got it. My activity started the facebook login activity, that activity in the AndroidManifest had a dark theme set. I dont see how they changed my activities look tho
Nov 01 20:38:08 <pfn> but it's not your activity...
Nov 01 20:39:02 <tigrang> Nvm that wasnt it lol
Nov 01 20:39:22 <`backtick`> http://code.google.com/p/gmaps-api-issues/issues/detail?id=4902 < only tangentially related
Nov 01 20:42:53 <explodes> Ok now can 1 activity have multiple NavigationDrawer views?
Nov 01 20:43:19 <`backtick`> it seems odd that it might?
Nov 01 20:43:24 <`backtick`> what are you trying to do?
Nov 01 20:43:33 <pfn> so what's new in support-v4 19.0.0?
Nov 01 20:44:01 <explodes> I want several drawers on the side, each containing their own set of tools
Nov 01 20:44:11 <explodes> some drawers, when clicked, close and open up another
Nov 01 20:44:16 <explodes> some just pick tools
Nov 01 20:44:32 <explodes> some tools, when clicked*
Nov 01 20:44:49 <`backtick`> pfn: kitkat changes?
Nov 01 20:46:17 <g00s> pfn not muc, see the release notes ?
Nov 01 20:46:33 <`backtick`> explodes: this sounds a little different from NavigationDrawer
Nov 01 20:46:41 <g00s> http://developer.android.com/tools/support-library/index.html#revisions
Nov 01 20:46:52 <tigrang> `backtick`: okay, so after removing the theme for facebook login activity, and on my activity removing this line android:theme="@android:style/Theme.NoTitleBar.Fullscreen" I get the white look for the dialog.
Nov 01 20:47:13 <g00s> this looks interesting "Added drag-to-open user interface support for pop-up menus. For more information, see PopupMenuCompat and ListPopupWindowCompat." but i still don't get it
Nov 01 20:49:04 <seand> what is drag-to-open UI support for pop-up menus? i haven't seen that in an app yet
Nov 01 20:49:27 <g00s> no idea
Nov 01 20:49:29 <SimonVT> "When the listener is set on a view, touching that view and dragging outside of its bounds will open the popup window. Lifting will select the currently touched list item."
Nov 01 20:49:35 <SimonVT> Seems pretty obvious
Nov 01 20:49:59 <seand> SimonVT: do you know of any google apps that implement it?
Nov 01 20:50:16 <g00s> typical. google adds an api and expects us all to just know when / how to use it ;)
Nov 01 20:50:17 <SimonVT> I haven't tried KitKat yet
Nov 01 20:50:54 <g00s> how would a user even know to drag outside the view bounds anyhow ?
Nov 01 20:51:04 <g00s> what affordance should there be, etc
Nov 01 20:51:14 <seand> i would expect google apps to be slightly ahead of the API so they can test the UX
Nov 01 20:51:27 <explodes> android-support-v4 19 is missing DrawerLayout??
Nov 01 20:52:06 <seand> similar to how microsoft office UI has always been one step ahead of the OS
Nov 01 20:53:00 <g00s> seand if they put it in the support lib, i see this as a message as "we blessed it, use it"
Nov 01 20:53:44 <seand> g00s: i don't see how it would be useful at all
Nov 01 20:54:18 <SimonVT> If you don't have a usecase for it, just don't use it
Nov 01 20:54:40 <g00s> well, its knowing whats available so you can have a big toolbox to choose from
Nov 01 20:54:48 <g00s> but , knowing when to use is important
Nov 01 20:55:03 <g00s> i'm just wondering, when would i use this
Nov 01 20:55:15 <seand> usually when i touch something and drag away from it, it's because i don't want to execute whatever action happens when i touch
Nov 01 20:58:13 <missingno> should .idea be in gitignore
Nov 01 20:58:28 <`backtick`> could be that the popup is a "tray" of items that you want to drag into something else
Nov 01 20:59:03 <seand> `backtick`: hmm, yeah, good call
Nov 01 20:59:12 <`backtick`> actually, this would be good for something that you activate by touching it, then drag away to finish the action
Nov 01 20:59:23 <seand> like dragging selected songs into a playlist
Nov 01 20:59:35 <`backtick`> like, record voice on touch, when you drag outside of popup, open a menu to decide to do with the finished recording
Nov 01 21:00:46 <`backtick`> similar to the pie
Nov 01 21:01:20 <Baluse> hello
Nov 01 21:01:28 <Baluse> I have uploaded an apk
Nov 01 21:01:34 <Baluse> for alpha. how can i get it?
Nov 01 21:02:38 <explodes> Ok, so, can I have multiple drawers per activity?
Nov 01 21:03:25 <missingno> define "get it" Baluse
Nov 01 21:03:43 <Baluse> how can i define beta testers for my app before it is published?
Nov 01 21:08:33 <missingno> give them http links to the apk Baluse
Nov 01 21:15:13 <Baluse> is this going to work at devices without
Nov 01 21:15:18 <Baluse> memory card?
Nov 01 21:15:38 <evanc> yes
Nov 01 21:16:21 <Baluse> i think it asks for sd card
Nov 01 21:16:33 <evanc> what's "it"?
Nov 01 21:16:39 <Baluse> the smartphone ?
Nov 01 21:16:58 <Baluse> android doesnt allow to install apk without memory card
Nov 01 21:17:04 <evanc> yes it does
Nov 01 21:17:05 <Baluse> if not from store or usb
Nov 01 21:17:09 <explodes> wtf I am following the android tutorial for NavigationDrawers: this.mDrawerLayout.closeDrawer(drawer); raises: Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: View com.xxx.studio.studio.view.StudioDrawerView@41983c78 is not a sliding drawer
Nov 01 21:17:26 <Baluse> how evac?
Nov 01 21:17:27 <evanc> I'm pretty sure you can install from e.g. browser or gmail without an SD card
Nov 01 21:17:38 <Baluse> browser doesnt allow :s
Nov 01 21:22:35 <evanc> then put in an SD card
Nov 01 21:23:37 <Baluse> not possible
Nov 01 21:23:42 <michael__> Hello
Nov 01 21:24:53 <michael__> I am trying to download 4.4, and am getting the error (in red) "error: .repo/repo/: contains uncommitted changes"
Nov 01 21:25:32 <michael__> I have tried "cd .repo/repo; git reset; cd ../..; repo sync" and get the same error
Nov 01 21:25:52 <michael__> Is this a 4.4 bug or something I'm doing wrong?
Nov 01 21:25:52 <evanc> michael__: "cd .repo && git status"
Nov 01 21:26:58 <michael__> Where should I paste that too?
Nov 01 21:28:07 <michael__> http://pastebin.com/qJfs1a4F
Nov 01 21:28:13 <shanen> How can I prevent audio from being sent via HDMI? I need to have audio play through the speakers, with video going out HDMI.
Nov 01 21:29:14 <BenOrnstin> Weird? apparently I can 'overwrite' the final AsyncTask.execute(Param? params) with just execute()
Nov 01 21:29:19 <BenOrnstin> That seems dumb of java
Nov 01 21:29:58 <seand> huh
Nov 01 21:30:08 <JesusFreke> It doesn't "overwrite" it. It's a completely separate method
Nov 01 21:30:29 <icedp> methods can receive different set or arguments
Nov 01 21:30:37 <icedp> *of
Nov 01 21:31:23 <michael__> Is there a solution to my problem?
Nov 01 21:31:45 <seand> JesusFreke: i don't think that's right... (Params... params) and () can't exist together
Nov 01 21:31:56 <JesusFreke> seand: oops, you're right :)
Nov 01 21:32:33 <BenOrnstin> JesusFreke, hmm? yeah.  I'd thought that java threw a warning in that case though
Nov 01 21:32:45 <BenOrnstin> Since it's ambiguous which one should run
Nov 01 21:32:56 <BenOrnstin> I'm not getting an error though? which is weird
Nov 01 21:32:57 <JesusFreke> yea, I'm not sure how that is handled
Nov 01 21:33:06 <BenOrnstin> It's calling the overriden method
Nov 01 21:33:22 <BenOrnstin> And I can throw a runtimeerror if execute(Params? params) is called
Nov 01 21:33:29 <BenOrnstin> So it's not THAT bad practice
Nov 01 21:34:40 <BenOrnstin> 	public void jawn(String... a) { } public void jawn() { }
Nov 01 21:34:45 <BenOrnstin> That's not giving any warnings either
Nov 01 21:34:47 <BenOrnstin> Weird
Nov 01 21:35:03 <BenOrnstin> Frankly, I feel like it should
Nov 01 21:35:13 <|Agent> If you call jawn(), which one is called?
Nov 01 21:35:26 <BenOrnstin> jawn()
Nov 01 21:35:34 <seand> ask in ##java i'm sure they would know why
Nov 01 21:35:50 <|Agent> Maybe there's a special case for it; like it calls the no-arg one if it can, under the assumption that you'll be calling the vararg one with at least one argument.
Nov 01 21:36:02 <BenOrnstin> I'm curious as to what would be called with 		String[] strings = new String[0];
Nov 01 21:36:07 <BenOrnstin> Though I think I know
Nov 01 21:36:14 <BenOrnstin> So I guess that makes sense
Nov 01 21:36:49 <BenOrnstin> I think I will
Nov 01 21:39:00 <ron_frown> first running build of kitkat complete
Nov 01 21:39:27 <ron_frown> now I need to test to see if its worth dragging all my kernel drivers and shit over
Nov 01 21:45:50 <sigv> ron_frown: do you have it on a device?
Nov 01 21:47:01 <sigv> ron_frown: does the aosp browser fc if you try to open an incognito tab?
Nov 01 21:48:21 <ron_frown> sigv got it on the device
Nov 01 21:48:23 <ron_frown> havent tried that
Nov 01 21:48:36 <ron_frown> wont be a deal breaker even if it does
Nov 01 21:48:41 <ron_frown> my shit is all locked down
Nov 01 21:49:05 <sigv> ron_frown: hehe, but can you check real quick? :)
Nov 01 21:49:15 <sigv> and what do you mean with 'locked down'?
Nov 01 21:49:18 <ron_frown> gotta go break into it
Nov 01 21:49:25 <ron_frown> sigv I port android to custom hardware
Nov 01 21:49:32 <sigv> ron_frown: oh, i see. nice. :)
Nov 01 21:49:41 <ron_frown> users dont get chrome browser ;-)
Nov 01 21:50:05 <sigv> hehe
Nov 01 21:56:38 <ron_frown> trying now
Nov 01 21:57:11 <ron_frown> W/InputMethodManagerService(  426): Got RemoteException sending setActive(false) notification to pid 1947 uid 10015
Nov 01 21:57:11 <ron_frown> W/Binder  (  769): Caught a RuntimeException from the binder stub implementation.
Nov 01 21:57:14 <ron_frown> wah wah wah
Nov 01 21:58:54 <sigv> so... yeah, 4.4 breaks aosp browser.
Nov 01 21:59:54 <ron_frown> mindyou
Nov 01 22:00:01 <ron_frown> this is kitkat-release
Nov 01 22:00:06 <ron_frown> dev mightalreadyhave it fixed
Nov 01 22:00:26 <sigv> yeah.
Nov 01 22:00:46 <sigv> that's what you get for not using the "real" releases aka factory images. :)
Nov 01 22:09:46 <ron_frown> broser seems to have lots of issues in general
Nov 01 22:15:22 <^cheeky> hey guys, i am faced with an issue, so i would like to know if this might be the cause of it, if a class thats parable gets sent as and intent parcableArraylistExtra, and gets unpareled fine but .. when putting it in an saved instance doesn't work, would it be the parable class thats erroring out
Nov 01 22:22:20 <ron_frown> lets see if art changes anything at all
Nov 01 22:30:09 <explodes> Oh man.
Nov 01 22:30:14 <explodes> This
Nov 01 22:30:15 <explodes> damn
Nov 01 22:30:18 <explodes> stuff :P
Nov 01 22:30:28 <SuD> explodes explodes
Nov 01 22:33:04 <explodes> I don't get it, how do I designate certain views as Drawer Views?
Nov 01 22:40:58 <g00s> ugh; i keep having this problem with my N7; turn it on and 0-bars for my access point; all other devices on the network are fine; i have to reboot the device and everything starts working
Nov 01 22:45:13 <Baluse> dont bother
Nov 01 23:10:53 <glaksmono> anyone is here?
Nov 01 23:11:01 <glaksmono> how do i get the $(window).width() properly on android?
Nov 01 23:11:19 <glaksmono> for some reason i'm getting like .... random... 384
Nov 01 23:11:26 <glaksmono> i'm on Google Galaxy
Nov 01 23:11:30 <glaksmono> which is like.. much larger than that
Nov 01 23:11:33 <evanc> that sounds right
Nov 01 23:11:48 <glaksmono> evanc, eh?
Nov 01 23:11:48 <evanc> (in dips, not px)
Nov 01 23:11:54 <glaksmono> ahhhh dips
Nov 01 23:11:58 <glaksmono> how do i convert that into px?
Nov 01 23:12:06 <evanc> multiply by the density
Nov 01 23:12:45 <glaksmono> how do you know the density?
Nov 01 23:12:46 <glaksmono> :-/
Nov 01 23:15:19 <icedp> glaksmono:  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/DisplayMetrics.html
Nov 01 23:16:15 <Baluse> lol
Nov 01 23:16:33 <Baluse> why you need pixelz?
Nov 01 23:17:23 <Baluse> Dudes, android says to have 32x32 dip for actionbar icons with 24x24 content
Nov 01 23:17:36 <Baluse> but this ratio doesnt work for bigger
Nov 01 23:17:45 <Baluse> they appear smaller
Nov 01 23:17:51 <icedp> Baluse: to scale down a 15MB photo to display for example (for performance)
Nov 01 23:18:29 <Baluse> Action bar icons for phones should be 32x32 dp.  <
Nov 01 23:18:58 <Baluse> means no padding ?
Nov 01 23:19:01 <Baluse> http://developer.android.com/design/style/iconography.html
Nov 01 23:23:52 <glaksmono> i need pixel cuz i'm coding html5
Nov 01 23:24:43 <p_l> ... must... stop... from condescending
Nov 01 23:25:04 <evanc> glaksmono: [android javascript get pixels] -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14587435/javascript-not-getting-pixel-width-of-window-correct-on-mobile-devices
Nov 01 23:25:27 <evanc> also, http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/targeting.html
Nov 01 23:28:25 <glaksmono> doesn't work
Nov 01 23:30:27 <evanc> that's entirely unhelpful
Nov 01 23:31:03 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Can I use dagger without dagger-compiler?
Nov 01 23:31:43 <JakeWharton> not as of v1.1
Nov 01 23:32:35 <kakazza> I see. Thus not without javawriter.
Nov 01 23:33:07 <JakeWharton> right. the compile depends on that
Nov 01 23:33:10 <kakazza> I am trying to move from 0.9 to 1.1 on an old eclipse project. But I just can't seem to get annotation processing to work.
Nov 01 23:33:24 <groundnuty_m> hey, is there a neat way to deploy an app to physical test device using android studio/or others?
Nov 01 23:33:25 <kakazza> Are library projects a problem? The library projects contains dagger etc.
Nov 01 23:33:45 <SimonVT> groundnuty_m: Click the run button?
Nov 01 23:34:30 <groundnuty_m> I dream of some push-like baviour. android phone would have some deployment client that would be lets say in the same wifi network as dev pc, and dev pc could push and install ap on it
Nov 01 23:34:31 <JakeWharton> kakazza: library projects only need to depend on the runtime
Nov 01 23:35:04 <groundnuty_m> SimonVT: either I dont know of some basic functionality, or we dont understand each other ;)
Nov 01 23:35:44 <kakazza> JakeWharton: What exactly do you mean? "only need to" as in "should not contain other libraries"?
Nov 01 23:37:18 <SimonVT> groundnuty_m: That's what happens when you split your question up into multiple messages :) Usually, you'd just connect your device to your pc and click run.. Pushing over wifi, I don't know.. Root and wifi adb?
Nov 01 23:38:20 <glaksmono> please helppp
Nov 01 23:38:23 <groundnuty_m> SimonVT: I do have a root. I'm new to andr dev. but such 'push and deploy' seemd natural to me but I could not find any info on net :(
Nov 01 23:39:18 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Ah, ok. You mean dagger.jar. But I'm not sure where exactly to put the compiler and javawriter. It seems pretty intransparent in Eclipse how Annotation processing fails.
Nov 01 23:39:25 <kakazza> It just silently doesn't do its work.
Nov 01 23:45:10 <jasta>  soooo
Nov 01 23:45:13 <jasta> what do we have here with ART
Nov 01 23:45:33 <jasta> initial impressions suggest that the dex limit of 64k methods are a thing of the past.
Nov 01 23:45:51 <jasta> dx now has a --multi-dex option taht presumably punts to the art format to deal with
Nov 01 23:45:57 <jasta> format and runtime*
Nov 01 23:47:27 <SimonVT> ART?
Nov 01 23:47:52 <jasta> It would seem that there's a new optimized runtime that either replaces Dalvik completely or at least partially
Nov 01 23:47:58 <jasta> It would seem that it replaces Dalvik completely.
Nov 01 23:48:40 <jasta> what seems to be missing, however, is the interpretor.  it looks rather like it's a native compilation.
Nov 01 23:48:45 <jasta> but that cannot be
Nov 01 23:49:01 <SimonVT> Huh. Did they write about it somewhere, or did someone just look in AOSP and see what changed?
Nov 01 23:49:02 <jasta> it does have a GC engine, clearly
Nov 01 23:49:09 <jasta> SimonVT: i'm just digging into aosp
Nov 01 23:49:16 <jasta> i believe they are not ready to publish it formally
Nov 01 23:49:21 <jasta> it appears to be missing some pieces
Nov 01 23:49:36 <jasta> it has been under development, according to git, for quite some time (years)
Nov 01 23:53:51 <p_l> jasta: how "it cannot be"
Nov 01 23:54:03 <p_l> anyway, it *is*, technically, DVM. It's just a different implementation
Nov 01 23:54:33 <jasta> Yes, I suppose in the abstract sense but previously DVM was only an impl.
Nov 01 23:54:51 <jasta> I can't find the interpreter, which is weirding me out.
Nov 01 23:54:55 <p_l> s/was only an/was the only/
Nov 01 23:55:02 <jasabella> in the play store, some apps have paid and unpaid versions, are they two different packages or the same?
Nov 01 23:55:04 <p_l> jasta: why?
Nov 01 23:55:12 <p_l> jasta: separate packages
Nov 01 23:55:49 <jasta> p_l: i don't think so, actually.
Nov 01 23:55:55 <jasta> i think i'm just missing it.  i think it is here in runtime.
Nov 01 23:56:10 <p_l> ah, sorry. the separate packages thing was to jasabella
Nov 01 23:56:25 <p_l> still, why should lack of interpreter weird you out?
Nov 01 23:57:00 <jasta> because i'm trying to understand how it differs from the Dalvik impl.  it seems to be quite a bit more bare bones in terms of code.
Nov 01 23:57:57 <jasabella> ty
Nov 02 00:01:18 <jasta> i think i found it
Nov 02 00:01:20 <jasta> actually
Nov 02 00:01:23 <SimonVT> jasta: Apparently you can change the runtime to ART on the emulator
Nov 02 00:02:12 <p_l> SimonVT: it's supposedly also available on device
Nov 02 00:02:27 <SimonVT> Most likely.. I don't have a device to check on tho :p
Nov 02 00:02:38 <jasta> SimonVT: i'ma ware, but that's not what really interests me.
Nov 02 00:02:47 <jasta> i want to break down the implementation and figure out what's different / what it fixes
Nov 02 00:03:05 <jasta> in particular i want to understand how / if it addresses the dex 64k method limit
Nov 02 00:03:16 <jasta> the dx command-line tool has been updated with a --multi-dex option presumably for this
Nov 02 00:03:23 <jasta> but i dont understand how that plays with ART or Dalvik
Nov 02 00:04:17 <p_l> jasta: afaik the 64k limit applies per .dex file
Nov 02 00:04:33 <jasta> p_l: i'm also aware, but that means today that it applies per apk.
Nov 02 00:04:39 <SimonVT> Maybe dalvik just handles loading multiple dex files itself
Nov 02 00:04:46 <jasta> i'm trying to confirm if ART eliminates that.
Nov 02 00:04:50 <townsfolk> Hello. I'm new to android dev, and I need some help with saving state in fragments when using the home button as an up button.
Nov 02 00:05:02 <jasta> SimonVT: i don't think so, but perhaps.  i can find no evidence that dalvik was updated to support this.
Nov 02 00:05:06 <townsfolk> I've tried setting retainInstance to true, but the instance variables are null or reset to default values when onCreate is called again after I hit the back button.
Nov 02 00:05:10 <jasta> dexdump, for example, has no idea about multiple dex files
Nov 02 00:05:18 <townsfolk> I've tried overriding onSaveInstanceState, and onActivityCreated, but the bundle in onActivityCreated is null
Nov 02 00:05:27 <p_l> jasta: before, DVM only loaded classes.dex. It's possible though to load more if you're tricky
Nov 02 00:05:34 <SimonVT> jasta: Maybe try and convert a dex to that new format and see how it indexes methods
Nov 02 00:05:38 <townsfolk> any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated
Nov 02 00:06:22 <jasta> p_l: i'm also aware.  i want to know that google has addressed this for all parties.
Nov 02 00:06:25 <jasta> without hacks
Nov 02 00:06:37 <jasta> i've got my build done now though, so i'll know shortly
Nov 02 00:06:48 <etuleu> since the release of the new google play services we started seeing a security exception when trying to get an id token (requires com.google.android.providers.gsf.permission.READ_GSERVICES)
Nov 02 00:10:55 <SimonVT> jasta, they can't really fix the method limit without changing the dex format.. Dunno if they want to do that.. By outputting multiple dex files, you can at least load them on all platforms
Nov 02 00:11:10 <SimonVT> Without pre-dexing libraries, etc
Nov 02 00:12:24 <jasta> SimonVT: hehe, yes, again i know.
Nov 02 00:12:34 <jasta> what i'm trying to do is figure out what, exactly, they have done for this problem in Android 4.4.
Nov 02 00:13:04 <jasta> and i'm testing and spelunking source to figure that out
Nov 02 00:16:22 <^cheeky> guys , is there a limit to  how many singleton classes you could have in your app ?
Nov 02 00:17:30 <p_l> ^cheeky: not really other than general class etc.
Nov 02 00:17:32 <p_l> limits
Nov 02 00:17:36 <SimonVT> About 65k or until you run out of memory
Nov 02 00:18:18 <^cheeky> hmmm ok i am not giving up but this is my last attempt . :/ i am re-doing my app, parching parcels and saving parcels .. got me all confused and app was messed up
Nov 02 00:18:28 <p_l> from the pov of java a singleton class isn't in any way different from normal classes. Well, that's unless you're making them enum ;)
Nov 02 00:19:15 <^cheeky> yeah i thought that was the best practice
Nov 02 00:19:40 <^cheeky> this time, ill use enum and make private constructor should make it a singleton hopefully
Nov 02 00:41:18 <Chainfire> sorry about that
Nov 02 01:06:57 <JesusFreke> jasta: multi-dex doesn't have anything to do with ART, specifically
Nov 02 01:09:19 <JesusFreke> and art doesn't alleviate the 64k method limit
Nov 02 01:10:36 <p_l> I don't think you can alleviate that without breaking compat
Nov 02 01:10:49 <JesusFreke> afaik, the multi-dex stuff uses a private dalvik api to load the extra dex file in the existing class loader
Nov 02 01:10:58 <JesusFreke> but I'm not 100% positive
Nov 02 01:16:19 <blaze4g> I'm working on an app that uses in-app purchasing for descriptions.  I've got a beta APK uploaded with version code > 1, tester accounts setup on Google Play.  I keep getting an error "RPC:S-7:AEC-0" every time I launch the intent (using latest IAPHelper code).  What does that error indicate?
Nov 02 01:20:56 <diphtherial> this is going to sound awfully silly, but i've forgotten how to write an ant build.xml for an android project...anyone happen to know of a resource that goes over it?
Nov 02 01:21:03 <blaze4g> Err, purchasing for subscriptions not descriptions, sorry
Nov 02 01:21:24 <diphtherial> i could check the regular ant docs, but i'm concerned that it won't be very specific to android and i'll have to do a lot of digging elsewhere to fill in the gaps
Nov 02 01:21:36 <blaze4g> diphtherial: not I.  I just use Eclipse's UI.
Nov 02 01:22:00 <diphtherial> i'd normally use eclipse, but i have something like twenty projects to build, so i'd rather do it from the command line
Nov 02 01:22:21 <diphtherial> they all have the same structure (in fact, they all have the same package names, even), so i think i can use the same build file for each of them
Nov 02 01:26:34 <blaze4g> Understood.
Nov 02 01:28:51 <diphtherial> heh, i'll probably end up using eclipse anyhow, so thanks for the suggestion :3
Nov 02 01:39:35 <diphtherial> ok, figured it out; you can use android update project to generate it for you, apparently
Nov 02 01:41:58 <blaze4g> nice
Nov 02 01:57:29 <p_l> hmm... I'm tempted to sell my N4 and buy N5 ;>
Nov 02 01:59:21 <p_l> ... oh wow, 4.4 for N4
Nov 02 02:08:15 <p_l> apparently there are some nice privacy changes
Nov 02 02:09:06 <XXCoder1> p_1 $5
Nov 02 02:10:12 <p_l> you wish :P
Nov 02 02:10:30 <XXCoder1> you forgot "is my command" part. ;)
Nov 02 02:13:38 <p_l> XXCoder1: you can't even spell my name right, great way to end up on firewall's blacklist ;)
Nov 02 02:14:19 <XXCoder1> lol the time I decide not to use auto-nick lol
Nov 02 02:15:09 <p_l> still, I need to carry two phones anyway. Might as well walk around with N4 and N5 :P
Nov 02 02:15:23 <General_Crespin> I want a second phone.
Nov 02 02:15:40 <General_Crespin> TMo isn't worth a nickel around here, so I want to find someone with AT&t.
Nov 02 02:15:42 <General_Crespin> *T
Nov 02 02:15:52 <XXCoder1> add n1-3 and n6-7 to complete your carrying collection
Nov 02 02:16:08 * XXCoder1 is not resposible for odd looks and so on
Nov 02 02:16:20 <XXCoder1> also is there such thing as n6?
Nov 02 02:18:11 <General_Crespin> Nexus One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Nexus 5.
Nov 02 02:18:15 <General_Crespin> Then the 7 and 10.
Nov 02 02:18:34 <XXCoder1> lol ok
Nov 02 02:19:58 <p_l> I guess one could claim Xoom to having been N6 if not for the size? :>
Nov 02 02:20:33 <p_l> anyway, for those that have n4, there's 4.4 already. Before Google released it, even. xD
Nov 02 02:21:05 * p_l is very happy that some modding teams actually can build proper OS images
Nov 02 02:26:22 <XXCoder1> nice
Nov 02 02:56:59 <Baluse> hello when an activity is resume
Nov 02 02:59:45 <groundnuty_m> hey, I'm trying to write an app to get product info based on a barcode http://www.gtin.info/
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