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Nov 11 03:16:53 <DarkGhost> hello
Nov 11 03:16:59 <DarkGhost> is there anyway I can use ADT with netbeans?
Nov 11 03:18:10 <bankai_> i saw a few years ago a plugin for NB, if you're looking for alternative IDEs try IntelliJ
Nov 11 03:20:38 <DarkGhost> I mean I just thought I would be able to combine everything for netbeans since I already use it.
Nov 11 03:21:16 <bankai_> great time to convert to something better :)
Nov 11 03:22:21 <DarkGhost> Thanks :) This is my first app I'm about to start any tips or advice? I'm decent with programming but not very experienced with java/oop
Nov 11 03:22:29 <DarkGhost> more web development languages
Nov 11 03:22:50 <bankai_> java is a web dev language ;)
Nov 11 03:22:51 <pfn> you can't use ADT, but you could use netbeans for the code writing part
Nov 11 03:23:07 <pfn> but netbeans isn't even that good...
Nov 11 03:26:20 <pfn> g00s, I like the sensationalist title of that page, too... as if google were explicitly singling out people that want to mod their devices
Nov 11 03:27:58 <pfn> I should go into a vzw store, get the device id for a moto x, plug it into moto's bootloader unlock site and see if it says it's a supported device
Nov 11 03:28:07 <pfn> maybe tomorrow while I'm doing errands...
Nov 11 03:35:55 <g00s> alex_PP eBook deal of the day; i've heard good things about it http://www.peachpit.com/deals/
Nov 11 03:36:08 <g00s> one of amazon's best photography books of 2013
Nov 11 03:54:07 <Algorithm> Hi, is it possible for multiple instances of the same intentservice to be started at the same time? I am using an IntentService for FUSED location and am occasionally uploading this data.
Nov 11 03:54:53 <Algorithm> because of the latency, given a fast enough location update interval I would assume that the request will not have been updated. Is there either a guarantee that multiple instances of the intent service won't be started or is there a way to check/share a variable between them?
Nov 11 03:57:48 <pfn> no
Nov 11 03:59:01 <Algorithm> pfn: just to clarify, it isn't possible for multiple to start at the same time, right? Sorry I asked so many questions at once
Nov 11 04:02:37 <g00s> Algorithm the service acts like a singleton, but the intents will queue up
Nov 11 04:02:49 <Algorithm> awesome, thank you
Nov 11 04:03:01 <g00s> or if you want, you can take the approach like AsyncQueryService in the Calendar app
Nov 11 04:03:26 <g00s> where you would put the location in a queue, and then call startService which rips through the queue
Nov 11 04:05:14 <Algorithm> Is there a maximum size to the queue. That sounds like it could be a more efficient way of doing it
Nov 11 04:06:50 <g00s> yeah, i would pummel android with hundreds of intents
Nov 11 04:06:55 <g00s> *wouldn't
Nov 11 04:06:57 <g00s> :)
Nov 11 04:08:29 <Algorithm> Thanks for the help! I'll look into that and check back if I have any issues.
Nov 11 04:16:31 <Algorithm> g00s: You can explicitly create multiple instances of the same intent service, right? It's only treated as a singleton in that additional instances will be queued rather than automatically created. For example. I could write one Location Service and have it log at two different time intervals by explicitly starting two instances
Nov 11 04:17:44 <DarkGhost> I'm trying to open up eclipse from the adk bundle and it says It can't find javaw but I do have javaw just in a different folder. sohuld I copy that .exe to this folder?
Nov 11 04:28:22 <DarkGhost> gotitt
Nov 11 04:28:22 <DarkGhost> thanks
Nov 11 04:31:35 <ir7466> hi. is it possible to have conditionals in android templates?
Nov 11 04:31:55 <ir7466> ie... in the xml, have something like an if statement... to display a button if some condition is met, for example
Nov 11 04:35:04 <Ologn> ir7466, I have done that
Nov 11 04:35:29 <ir7466> what is the general idea behind it? i'm not even sure what you'd call such a thing in order to google it
Nov 11 04:35:32 <g00s> ir7466 yes/no .. you could probably put android:visibility="@string/test_visibility" ; where that string is set differently in different res/ configurations
Nov 11 04:36:58 <g00s> but the typical way of doing that would be to have different layouts by configuration
Nov 11 04:37:09 <g00s> you can play some tricks with @bool also
Nov 11 04:37:41 <g00s> Ologn how did you do it ?
Nov 11 04:39:16 <Ologn> g00s, I think I set a value in the xml, then searched for that value from the code
Nov 11 04:46:01 <g00s> in intellij / AS; is there something like eclipse's "go into" for a module; if i only want to see a specific module i the tree for example
Nov 11 04:46:48 <pfn> Algorithm, No, single instance only
Nov 11 04:46:58 <pfn> anything identified by Co. p
Nov 11 04:47:11 <pfn> component name in Android is singleton
Nov 11 04:48:06 <Algorithm> pfn: What do you mean identified by component name?
Nov 11 04:48:14 <pfn> g00s, not @string,@int
Nov 11 04:48:30 <pfn> Algorithm, ComponentName
Nov 11 04:48:51 <Algorithm> okay, thanks
Nov 11 04:49:03 <pfn> anything declared in manifest is identified by component name
Nov 11 04:49:39 <pfn> the only reason you would have multiple instances is because you're leaking memory
Nov 11 04:50:32 <Algorithm> ah, so I have to create two separate classes if I want two different intent services?
Nov 11 04:50:44 <pfn> basically, yea
Nov 11 04:50:47 <Algorithm> or two separate instances of the same class
Nov 11 04:50:49 <Algorithm> okay, thanks
Nov 11 04:50:58 <Algorithm> That's a bummer
Nov 11 04:51:26 <pfn> an intent service is a queue... why would you want multiple of the same...
Nov 11 04:53:23 <Algorithm> I'm currently playing around with two different location ideas. One follows research done by MS to create roads from gps logs. These points need to be close together though. The other is to gain a basic understanding of where people are and aren't. I am doing this to myself so no privacy concerns but I want to have one requesting location updates every 2 minutes to do geo clustering and the other only running when I drive since
Nov 11 04:53:24 <Algorithm> requesting updates every 1-2 seconds will drain the battery
Nov 11 04:54:05 <Algorithm> since the only real difference is in the update interval it would be convenient to start two services. One on device startup and the other only when I explicitly tell it to start
Nov 11 04:55:41 <SpeedEvil> #openstreetmap may also be relevant over on irc.oftc.net
Nov 11 04:56:33 <Algorithm> Thanks I'll check them out as well, especially as I get later into this project.
Nov 11 04:56:39 <g00s> SpeedEvil do you use osm in your app ?
Nov 11 04:57:05 <SpeedEvil> no, juat a contributor
Nov 11 04:57:21 <g00s> i wanted something like google maps minus the google; at the time osm widget was iffy but i checked 2 years ago
Nov 11 04:57:22 <SpeedEvil> do read and understand the license
Nov 11 04:57:42 <pfn> Algorithm, what you want is orthogonal to intent service
Nov 11 04:58:14 <Algorithm> g00s: I recently read about a map service that is like google maps. It's built on OSM. I'll try to find a url
Nov 11 04:58:24 <Algorithm> pfn: ah, okay. Do you have any suggestions?
Nov 11 04:58:37 <g00s> Algorithm thanks; yeah i thought i had to host my own tiles or something like that
Nov 11 04:59:08 <Algorithm> hopefully I can find it. I know I sent it to a coworker but I think it was on Jabber and my history has been lost.
Nov 11 04:59:38 <g00s> k, thx
Nov 11 05:00:18 <Algorithm> g00s: I believe it's here. https://www.mapbox.com. I haven't spent much time looking at the cost but it looks like a reasonable alternative
Nov 11 05:00:53 <g00s> thanks Algorithm
Nov 11 05:01:02 <Algorithm> no worries :)
Nov 11 05:11:26 <lasserix> What does the id argument of an OnItemClickListener mean for an arrayadapter<string> ?
Nov 11 05:12:02 <lasserix> nm
Nov 11 05:12:03 <canadiancow> what do you get when you call getId() on the adapter?
Nov 11 05:12:04 <canadiancow> :)
Nov 11 05:12:09 <rburgosnavas> hi there
Nov 11 05:12:31 <g00s> lasserix but you're not going to use ArrayAdapter anyhow, so
Nov 11 05:13:01 <canadiancow> that's true
Nov 11 05:13:18 <canadiancow> i actually wrote an adapter today where i think i used getId() for the first time ever
Nov 11 05:13:19 <canadiancow> :P
Nov 11 05:13:47 <g00s> ok, this is good google http://google.org/personfinder/2013-yolanda/
Nov 11 05:14:23 <canadiancow> a guy i worked with just moved to google.org
Nov 11 05:14:40 <g00s> i didn't even notice the .org
Nov 11 05:15:08 <canadiancow> yeah .org is where google does stuff like that :P
Nov 11 05:20:43 <maven__> Is it possible to get the splitActionBarHeight?
Nov 11 05:21:03 <maven__> I mean the bottom action bar height.
Nov 11 05:34:48 <g00s> canadiancow is there anything in Play Store that lets me donate to the Philippines ? Apple had that in the past
Nov 11 05:35:31 <misterli> .. and google get 25% of the donation ... :P
Nov 11 05:36:51 <canadiancow> no idea
Nov 11 05:39:23 <rburgosnavas> hey guys, does anyone in here have experience using Android's AudioTrack for streaming generated tones?
Nov 11 05:39:49 <nomnomdeguerre> having some trouble with joda-time
Nov 11 05:39:58 <nomnomdeguerre> the trouble being that it won't compile into my project
Nov 11 05:40:09 <nomnomdeguerre> but gives no warnings during compile time
Nov 11 05:40:17 <g00s> isn't it just a jar :P
Nov 11 05:40:23 <nomnomdeguerre> Using gradle
Nov 11 05:40:30 <nomnomdeguerre> so I declare the dependency
Nov 11 05:40:44 <nomnomdeguerre> and I can see it and the IDE is happy
Nov 11 05:40:53 <nomnomdeguerre> but then when I go to use it, I get a no class def error
Nov 11 05:41:11 <nomnomdeguerre>      Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/joda/time/DateTime
Nov 11 05:41:34 <nomnomdeguerre> build.gradle files declares:
Nov 11 05:41:34 <nomnomdeguerre> 	compile 'joda-time:joda-time:2.3'
Nov 11 05:41:57 <nomnomdeguerre> and I can see it in my external libraries
Nov 11 05:50:27 <misterli> did you sync gradle after editing build files?
Nov 11 05:50:40 <misterli> and.. why dont you just put it as lib in your libfolder and compile the lib filder completly?
Nov 11 05:51:03 <misterli> and/or (i dont know jode time) did you add it as module? And .. did you compile/include it with ressources
Nov 11 05:51:43 <g00s> also, try building from the command line first
Nov 11 05:52:49 <misterli> g00s, which os do you use for coding?=
Nov 11 05:52:59 <g00s> mac os 10.7
Nov 11 05:53:15 <misterli> with Android-Studio?
Nov 11 05:53:18 <g00s> yes
Nov 11 05:53:25 <misterli> latest version? ;-)
Nov 11 05:53:27 <g00s> yes
Nov 11 05:53:36 <misterli> 0.3.4?
Nov 11 05:53:39 <g00s> ya
Nov 11 05:53:44 <misterli> And you dont have problems with gradle?
Nov 11 05:53:49 <g00s> no
Nov 11 05:54:00 <g00s> gradle and i are friends
Nov 11 05:54:04 <misterli> brrr. Ubuntu makes me crazy. The latest Android Studio build does not work with gradle on ubuntu
Nov 11 05:54:05 <g00s> :)
Nov 11 05:54:25 <misterli> and google didnt fix it yet. Answer: Downgrade to 0.3.1....
Nov 11 05:54:33 <g00s> O.o
Nov 11 05:54:40 <misterli> yup
Nov 11 05:54:55 <misterli> and 0.3.1 throws some annoying errors on startup with null poiner exception in android studio core :>
Nov 11 05:55:54 <g00s> what happens on 0.3.4 then ?
Nov 11 05:56:17 <misterli> gradle can not synchronize/import projects on ubuntu with 0.3.4 and gradle 0.6
Nov 11 05:56:23 <misterli> 0.6/18
Nov 11 05:56:33 <g00s> 0.6.3 right ?
Nov 11 05:56:52 <misterli> yep
Nov 11 05:57:09 <misterli> There are some workarounds by removing the gralde jar files and replace them with older one, and such crap, ...
Nov 11 05:57:25 <g00s> so others are having that problem too ?
Nov 11 05:57:30 <misterli> yes. Everyone
Nov 11 05:57:31 <misterli> :)
Nov 11 05:57:35 <g00s> oh
Nov 11 05:57:50 <misterli> most answers on stackoverflow: Dont use Android Studio until it get at least beta-status
Nov 11 05:58:00 <g00s> use vim / emacs for now :)
Nov 11 05:58:26 <misterli> haha. Well. I want to purchase a macbook air in a few days. Does it really worth the price (by coding) compared to a (for example) gaming laptop?
Nov 11 05:59:07 <g00s> this past friday was the second week in a row they put out something busted right out of the gate and had to post an update late fri evening
Nov 11 05:59:32 <g00s> meanwhile, AS won't let me set update policy to dev channel (always stays on canary)
Nov 11 05:59:39 <misterli> yup.. this is horrible. I love Android Studio but when they keep making it worst then better ill use eclipse again..
Nov 11 05:59:43 <misterli> haha
Nov 11 05:59:59 <g00s> i thought 0.3.4 additions to 0.3.3 were silly; does 0.3.3 work ?
Nov 11 06:00:07 <misterli> With Windows you can not even install the latest version without putting some OWN PATH Environment-vars to the system..
Nov 11 06:00:17 <g00s> i think thet are gold plating it without getting core shit working ;)
Nov 11 06:00:22 <misterli> Yep. 0.3.3 works. But currently there's 0.3.1 for download and the patch upgrade to 0.3.4 directly
Nov 11 06:02:01 <g00s> what i have been doing is getting the full versions each release, and storing them away like a squirrel
Nov 11 06:02:09 <g00s> well the last 2 versions
Nov 11 06:02:15 <g00s> so i have 0.3.2 here, but its mac
Nov 11 06:02:28 <misterli> well. it's google. They should make things better - usually
Nov 11 06:02:30 <misterli> :P
Nov 11 06:02:56 <g00s> i keep getting the impression their software engineering culture is very immature
Nov 11 06:02:59 <misterli> I dont think it's really an android studio problem. It's more likely a compatibility problem with gradle on linux (and some dependencies) and android studio
Nov 11 06:03:12 <g00s> and you can't easily change culture ;)
Nov 11 06:03:19 <misterli> yup :/
Nov 11 06:03:35 <misterli> it's crazy that google replaced the c2dm with gcm and now with gcm xmpp already..
Nov 11 06:04:55 <g00s> misterli you are using gradle 1.8 too ?
Nov 11 06:05:02 <misterli> yes
Nov 11 06:05:04 <g00s> 1.9 will be out any minute
Nov 11 06:05:08 <misterli> really?
Nov 11 06:05:31 <misterli> well. I've created my projects with 1.8. It hate changing gradle on a running project since it may cause problems
Nov 11 06:05:40 <misterli> and (in some cases) it needs to recreate the whole project
Nov 11 06:05:51 <g00s> there is usually a tight dependency between the android-gradle plugin / gradle / as, so i would just use what they say
Nov 11 06:06:11 <misterli> do you know if there's a real gradle support with eclipse?
Nov 11 06:06:17 <Looney> Mavrik: you were saying about recommended GL ES version some time earlier
Nov 11 06:06:28 <Looney> is http://www.khronos.org/opengles/2_X/ an acceptable for Droids
Nov 11 06:06:41 <g00s> misterli no, i dont
Nov 11 06:06:44 <misterli> hm okay
Nov 11 06:06:58 <misterli> And did you use the new google xmpp gcm already? :) i have no beta-test account for that :S
Nov 11 06:07:05 <g00s> no
Nov 11 06:07:25 <misterli> Oh. Its fixed with 1.9? https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/69719/
Nov 11 06:08:05 <g00s> O.o
Nov 11 06:08:09 <g00s> there is a rc3
Nov 11 06:08:59 <g00s> i have no idea what i'm looking at there
Nov 11 06:10:21 <g00s> misterli also, i have so far had my own gradle install
Nov 11 06:10:26 <g00s> and i point AS to that
Nov 11 06:11:03 <misterli> haha
Nov 11 06:11:28 <misterli> yes. I had my  own gradle installation aswell. Compiled it myself and used the locale gradle path. But it doesnt work with android studio
Nov 11 06:11:59 <g00s> weird, mine does
Nov 11 06:12:28 <misterli> even after gradle clean, removing .gradle, editing the settings and build, ... using gradlew, ...
Nov 11 06:14:01 <g00s> but this pisses me off; i can't select 'dev' channel in updates; it always goes back to canary
Nov 11 06:14:12 <misterli> On all Macs or just on yours?
Nov 11 06:14:20 <misterli> Mac and dev is like windows and penguin...
Nov 11 06:14:23 <misterli> closed system..
Nov 11 06:14:51 <g00s> misterli i'm writing code now, you're messing with linux :)
Nov 11 06:15:02 <misterli> haha
Nov 11 06:15:32 <misterli> Well. I do like apple products because it's quality. The hardware is not cheap china-crap. Its expensive china-crap. :-) But usually everything works - just limited
Nov 11 06:15:44 <misterli> But.. i had a G4 years ago and this was worst for developing
Nov 11 06:16:12 <g00s> i like apple because if i have an issue, i can walk into the apple store and get help
Nov 11 06:16:18 <g00s> with hw
Nov 11 06:16:19 <misterli> for $$
Nov 11 06:16:31 <misterli> its called apple icare, isnt it?
Nov 11 06:17:01 <g00s> genius bar is free; of course out of warranty repair is not
Nov 11 06:17:15 <g00s> but they are sometimes lenient on that
Nov 11 06:17:23 <misterli> Yes and as far as i know out of warranty for most stuff is after a half or 1 year
Nov 11 06:17:40 <g00s> i know a few people that went and got stuff fixed for free
Nov 11 06:17:48 <g00s> but don't count on it
Nov 11 06:18:33 <misterli> Well. There's nothing against apple. They do a very good job. IPhons and Macbooks but at least they dont offer good support/stuff for developers
Nov 11 06:18:45 <g00s> misterli also, people like apple because of the 'choice paradox'
Nov 11 06:19:11 <misterli> That's true. I would lovely use an iphone instead of android because of this tons of settings which are not useable or not relevant for me, BUT
Nov 11 06:19:17 <misterli> there should be a "simple" and advanced mode
Nov 11 06:19:49 <g00s> right now, i think they only have 2 15" MBPs
Nov 11 06:19:56 <g00s> (both too much money, heh)
Nov 11 06:19:59 <misterli> On my university (psychologie) there was a test. people between 8 and 70 who had never used a smartphone before got an iphone and an android device for testing. They have had to do several things. Guess which device was easy to use for ALL people and guess which one was unuseable?
Nov 11 06:20:19 <g00s> i'm guessing the apple was easu
Nov 11 06:20:21 <g00s> *easy
Nov 11 06:20:31 <misterli> Yes.. Even old people could still use the iphone. Phonecalls, sms, apps
Nov 11 06:20:53 <g00s> now, i am using the Kindle app for Android
Nov 11 06:21:08 <g00s> you would think, this is a big company, they could do a great app here
Nov 11 06:21:18 <g00s> but their navigation structure is still fucked up !
Nov 11 06:21:19 <misterli> Nah.
Nov 11 06:21:29 <misterli> They does not even do a good job with their own app-store
Nov 11 06:21:35 <g00s> and this has been one of the problems wth android since day 1 : the task stack
Nov 11 06:21:37 <misterli> have you ever released an app in the amazon appstore? They cant do good android-software
Nov 11 06:21:41 <g00s> people getting lost in <back>
Nov 11 06:21:45 <misterli> haha
Nov 11 06:22:01 <misterli> They are using a default styled actionbar, dont they?
Nov 11 06:22:04 <g00s> i pressed back like 20 times and i kept oing through previous screens i thought were finished
Nov 11 06:22:09 <misterli> with search and sidebar and tabbed menu
Nov 11 06:22:10 <g00s> no, their own
Nov 11 06:22:13 <misterli> hmpf
Nov 11 06:22:16 <g00s> they have their own crap
Nov 11 06:22:56 <misterli> But it looks like that the Kindle (with Android) are very stable and fast
Nov 11 06:23:42 <lasserix> Anyone know relative percentage of android phones in use with arm v6 versus arm v7?
Nov 11 06:23:46 <misterli> But afaik it's still a test. Kindle with Android(-support) are not available everywhere
Nov 11 06:24:05 <g00s> misterli have you seen this? http://www.amazon.com/The-Paradox-Choice-More-Less/dp/0060005696
Nov 11 06:24:22 <misterli> Nop
Nov 11 06:24:26 <misterli> Does it worth it?
Nov 11 06:25:11 <misterli> There are some very simple and stupid rules to follow to not confuse users with crap
Nov 11 06:25:21 <g00s> i love this stuff; behavioral economics; evolutionary psychology, etc
Nov 11 06:25:44 <misterli> May i ask which software (for android) you have developed until now?
Nov 11 06:26:44 <g00s> misterli yeah, this is again, when i wonder about google … having read UI stuff over long periods of time, they still 'recklessly' ignore basic UI principles
Nov 11 06:26:54 <g00s> its the culture
Nov 11 06:27:20 <misterli> Indeed but android is still easy to develope compared to ios/iphone developing
Nov 11 06:27:37 <g00s> i mean, Alan Cooper talked about stuff not to do, like 15 years ago
Nov 11 06:27:55 <g00s> misterli depends on the project :D
Nov 11 06:28:09 <g00s> its good knowing several platforms
Nov 11 06:28:13 <misterli> do you have a project (for your own) which generate a good salary?
Nov 11 06:28:19 <g00s> not a good salary, no
Nov 11 06:28:36 <misterli> do you code for companys or for yourself?
Nov 11 06:28:42 <g00s> myself atm
Nov 11 06:28:46 <misterli> okay
Nov 11 06:28:58 <misterli> i had a salary starting at 10.000$/month until google blocked my app for no reason
Nov 11 06:29:14 <g00s> :O
Nov 11 06:29:20 <g00s> $10k  mo ?
Nov 11 06:29:21 <misterli> yes
Nov 11 06:29:22 <g00s> thats great
Nov 11 06:29:32 <g00s> i make about $10 / mo
Nov 11 06:29:36 <misterli> Now i tried several alternatives like amazon playstore, but ... this sucks
Nov 11 06:29:39 <misterli> haha
Nov 11 06:29:45 <alex_PP> 10k?
Nov 11 06:29:46 <misterli> it's easy to generate some money
Nov 11 06:29:47 <misterli> yes
Nov 11 06:29:51 <JesusFreke> "for no reason"  - why do I doubt that :)
Nov 11 06:29:59 <misterli> It was my fault
Nov 11 06:30:03 <alex_PP> that's impressive
Nov 11 06:30:11 <alex_PP> what was it, if you don't mind?
Nov 11 06:30:14 <misterli> They warned me because of no disclaimer/privacy and i updated the app. They aggreed
Nov 11 06:30:15 <misterli> BUT
Nov 11 06:30:26 <misterli> i had the same disclined app as "BETA" app with another package name in the playstore as active
Nov 11 06:30:31 <misterli> just 10 downloads
Nov 11 06:30:41 <misterli> And thishow they blocked the whole account with all apps
Nov 11 06:30:56 <misterli> It was an Anti-Theft App. Now it went into a spy-app. www.TheftSpy.com
Nov 11 06:31:39 <misterli> it's very hard to get the user to "enable unknown sources" and such
Nov 11 06:33:44 <g00s> misterli so www.thefyspy.com is your product ?
Nov 11 06:33:51 <misterli> yes
Nov 11 06:34:19 <misterli> but i dont develope on that anymore. There's a new project which will do better results and is not to "spy"
Nov 11 06:34:59 <g00s> ""I thought my girlfriend was cheating me so I installed the app to be sure. While I normally wouldn't spy on someone, TheftSpy was much more secure and less expensive than hiring a private investigator. I'm glad I did, too! It saved me from going through an expensive marriage and an ugly divorce!""
Nov 11 06:35:02 <g00s> haaa
Nov 11 06:35:23 <misterli> Haha
Nov 11 06:35:46 <misterli> ill try to get this into an add soon https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q77/s720x720/1381283_659656587398150_988793798_n.jpg
Nov 11 06:36:04 <misterli> with text "Thanks TheftSpy to figure out that my boyfriend cheated me"
Nov 11 06:36:58 <misterli> Anyway.. In my opinion it does not worth to build such a "big" software for selling
Nov 11 06:48:34 <nomnomdeguerre> qq: are AsyncTasks killed if the activity or fragment that created them is destroyed?
Nov 11 06:48:43 <g00s> no
Nov 11 06:48:44 <misterli> no
Nov 11 06:48:47 <nomnomdeguerre> cool
Nov 11 06:48:49 <nomnomdeguerre> thans
Nov 11 06:48:51 <nomnomdeguerre> with a k
Nov 11 06:49:45 <misterli> Why did noone try the new gcm push yet?
Nov 11 06:49:58 <misterli> i thought push is one of the most important feature for apps
Nov 11 06:51:16 <zhulikas> because it requires google play services
Nov 11 06:51:21 <misterli> so what?
Nov 11 06:51:34 <zhulikas> at least in my case that was a deal breaker
Nov 11 06:51:40 <misterli> most apps are downloaded via google play store (and those have google play services)
Nov 11 06:51:54 <misterli> the libray can be compressed with proguard to almost no size
Nov 11 06:52:01 <Looney> misterli: did you saved that poor guy from the expense of marriage
Nov 11 06:52:44 <misterli> Haha. I didnt write the textes. I dont even care about what people do with the software. It was a project for "Testing" onec and just went into this kind of app because lots of people (and companys) were looking for such an app for an affordable price
Nov 11 06:53:42 <Looney> well, it surely is a good way to make money
Nov 11 06:53:49 <misterli> It was. Not anymore
Nov 11 06:54:01 <misterli> Since google (with jb and kitkat now) have some security-checkups which blocks such kind of app
Nov 11 06:54:21 <Looney> no wonder that lots of disgruntled significant others are there to ensure that you make 10k/month
Nov 11 06:54:51 <misterli> well. It was not a Spy-app when it was in playstore
Nov 11 06:55:07 <misterli> It was "user-friendly" with an notification and an "optional" way to make it hidden
Nov 11 06:55:07 <Looney> aha, Muenchen misterli
Nov 11 06:55:25 <Looney> shouldn't it be HerrLi
Nov 11 06:55:29 <Looney> :-P
Nov 11 06:55:30 <misterli> haha.
Nov 11 06:55:36 <misterli> :D Where are you from?
Nov 11 06:57:52 <Looney> God's Earth Mein Herr
Nov 11 07:01:10 <surjya> hi folks... need some suggestion on pppoe client for android
Nov 11 07:01:54 <Looney> so, how would you suggest me to track statistics of an app which I intend to release to public
Nov 11 07:02:03 <misterli> analytics for android
Nov 11 07:02:06 <Looney> you have been there and done that misterli
Nov 11 07:02:06 <surjya> I have a nexus 7 running 4.3 jellybean. I have a usb-to-ethernet adapter connected to it. I wanna connect to pppoe-server runnin on ubuntu machine
Nov 11 07:02:26 <misterli> well. Google Publish has a very good tracking already?
Nov 11 07:02:27 <Looney> ok, so its similar to Google Analytics for websites
Nov 11 07:02:41 <Looney> but I am not going to be on app stort
Nov 11 07:02:42 <ktwo> you have a PPPoE server? :o
Nov 11 07:02:43 <Looney> but I am not going to be on app store
Nov 11 07:02:54 <ktwo> for what?
Nov 11 07:02:56 <surjya> @ktwo : yea
Nov 11 07:03:10 <misterli> Looney. Do you really want to release an app outof the playstore? :)
Nov 11 07:03:34 <surjya> @ktwo : just testing purpose
Nov 11 07:03:36 <Looney> well, its my first and I would like to give it a whirl outside the playstore
Nov 11 07:04:32 <ktwo> probably thats why there arent exactly a lot of clients for this :-) the use-cases are very limited for it, unless someone would use the android device as a router or something
Nov 11 07:04:52 <surjya> my nexus 7 will be pppoe client and my ubuntu machine would be pppoe-server... just need to check if the pppoe-client thing works
Nov 11 07:04:54 <Looney> only statistic I am interested in is that how many unique installtions
Nov 11 07:05:12 <misterli> Looney. Internet.-Permissions?
Nov 11 07:05:38 <surjya> @ktwo : there is a pppoe-client for linux which is rp-pppoe... in need it run it on android... any suggestions
Nov 11 07:05:43 <Looney> yup
Nov 11 07:05:48 <Looney> they are in place
Nov 11 07:05:54 <misterli> if yes use anylytics if you really dont want to go into playstore. https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/
Nov 11 07:06:03 <Looney> at it
Nov 11 07:06:53 <surjya> any more suggestions for me?
Nov 11 07:24:26 <Looney> misterli: basically I need to make a virgin install activity for analytics to detect new installation ? ?
Nov 11 07:25:58 <misterli> Looney. Basically you should/could your own tracking without activity. Use SharedPreferences to show if already installed and then push some data to your server via http for example. Versioncode, country, device, .. if this is enough for you
Nov 11 07:26:18 <lasserix> A device running ARM Cortex-A7 core would use arm-v7?
Nov 11 07:26:37 <lasserix> i mean armeabi-v7?
Nov 11 07:29:06 <Looney> well, I would like to use only simple +1 for a unique installation
Nov 11 07:29:11 <Looney> that is enough
Nov 11 07:29:27 <Looney> if the user want, then I will start invading their privacy
Nov 11 07:29:46 <misterli> why dont you just use playstore? even "new" apps from beginners and/or users who dont have/plan to have many purchases/downloads are good to use in playstore
Nov 11 07:30:06 <misterli> you can also track crashes via google publish
Nov 11 07:30:25 <Looney> I am sure that this app of mine is against their TOS
Nov 11 07:30:41 <Looney> copyright issues
Nov 11 07:30:46 <misterli> oh, i c
Nov 11 07:31:11 <misterli> well. Use GCM or HttpClient and send a push to one of your servers
Nov 11 07:31:18 <misterli> including a very simple php script to collect
Nov 11 07:31:40 <Looney> analytics seem viable solution to me
Nov 11 07:32:03 <Looney> and I hope that SharedPrefernces are not deleted on reboot
Nov 11 07:32:14 <misterli> No. They are just deleted when the app get reinstalled
Nov 11 07:32:45 <Looney> ok, not a biggie at the moment
Nov 11 07:35:47 <nyt> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=62091
Nov 11 07:35:48 * nyt sighs
Nov 11 07:35:50 <nyt> so friggen annoying
Nov 11 07:36:51 <canadiancow> do you have a fix?
Nov 11 07:36:57 <canadiancow> i mean it looks like you've completely figured it out
Nov 11 07:37:55 <nyt> didn't get that far yet
Nov 11 07:38:03 <nyt> don't have a server setup to build/test
Nov 11 07:38:30 <canadiancow> i'll make sure someone looks at it
Nov 11 07:38:39 <nyt> thx
Nov 11 07:39:55 <nyt> all my goog contacts via work are in network or similar depts so its nice to have someone from android poke in
Nov 11 07:40:51 <canadiancow> well if you come to this channel during pacific time business hours, there's usually a few people paying attention
Nov 11 07:40:56 <nyt> in the mean time, going to try to develop a workaround.  ontaskremoved is triggered when the app is swiped, so I have a window of time to run something before receiving a broadcast
Nov 11 07:40:59 <canadiancow> i jsut happen to have irc open right now :P
Nov 11 07:41:41 <nyt> just need to be able to run something not intrusive that gets waitingToKill removed from the process
Nov 11 07:41:55 <nyt> launching an activity does, but that's intrusive
Nov 11 07:51:06 <nyt> heh any ideas?
Nov 11 08:39:54 <lasserix> Anyone have any tips on determining changed content when a content observer is notified that some content (say in ContactContracts) has changed without holding the current state of that content to compare it to?
Nov 11 09:05:02 <wmealing_> is it an incorrect expectation of me that         getFragmentManager().beginTransaction().replace(R.id.fragment_holder, f).commit();
Nov 11 09:05:14 <wmealing_> would replace the fragment holder, rather than append the fragment to it ?
Nov 11 09:08:09 <wmealing_> add i get
Nov 11 09:08:11 <wmealing_> replace, nope
Nov 11 10:09:55 <brrt> hi folks
Nov 11 10:10:04 <brrt> i can haz question
Nov 11 10:10:18 <brrt> i'm in the actionbarsherlock menu item limbo
Nov 11 10:10:41 <CallumTaylor> actionbar comat is where it's at
Nov 11 10:10:47 <CallumTaylor> compat*
Nov 11 10:10:56 <brrt> i know
Nov 11 10:11:12 <brrt> i know only too well
Nov 11 10:11:12 <brrt> however
Nov 11 10:11:28 <brrt> it is 'impossible' (for whatever reason) to make changes like that on this project
Nov 11 10:11:52 <brrt> now i'm not here to bitch about my management, about which you have no reason to know anything at all
Nov 11 10:12:57 <brrt> but, what the hell? why isn't it even ever called?
Nov 11 10:14:14 <CallumTaylor> are you overriding it in a fragment or activity
Nov 11 10:14:29 <brrt> yes, a old (v4) style support fragment
Nov 11 10:14:41 <CallumTaylor> are you calling setHasOptions(true) in onActivityCreated?
Nov 11 10:14:55 <brrt> … in onCreate, actually
Nov 11 10:15:03 <CallumTaylor> hm
Nov 11 10:15:43 <CallumTaylor> oh you may want to extend SherlockFragment instead of the support fragment
Nov 11 10:15:57 <brrt> not-sure-if-that-is-an-option, but lets' run with it
Nov 11 10:16:02 <CallumTaylor> not sure if that'll make any difference
Nov 11 10:17:26 <brrt> it is impossible for now, anyway, so yeah
Nov 11 10:17:29 <brrt> :-)
Nov 11 10:18:06 <JakeWharton> minSdkVersion="14" is where it's at, actually
Nov 11 10:18:12 <CallumTaylor> is the hosting activity definitely getting the call?
Nov 11 10:18:24 <CallumTaylor> i'm so nearly there ;_;
Nov 11 10:18:25 <brrt> letmesee, that is a good thing to check
Nov 11 10:18:39 <CallumTaylor> at my company we only drop support for < 5% :(
Nov 11 10:18:54 <CallumTaylor> I'm gonna try get it pushed to like 10ish if i can
Nov 11 10:22:58 <brrt> alright, i'm just going to hack it into the containing activity
Nov 11 10:23:02 <brrt> thank you very much :-)
Nov 11 10:35:42 <Looney> ok, peeps, I have a thread which adds data to arraylist from the webz
Nov 11 10:35:55 <Looney> works quite neat
Nov 11 10:36:05 <Looney> now I want to put data in a listview
Nov 11 10:36:15 <Looney> should I be using runOnUiThread
Nov 11 10:36:21 <Looney> or ? ?
Nov 11 10:36:27 <Mavrik> define "put"
Nov 11 10:37:04 <Looney> I want to do setAdapter thingy
Nov 11 10:37:18 <Mavrik> yes, you need to do it on UI thread
Nov 11 10:40:54 <Looney> if I comment line 109, there is no exception
Nov 11 10:40:55 <Looney> http://pastie.org/8471551
Nov 11 10:41:44 <Looney> once, I uncomment the line 109, I get android.view.ViewRoot$CalledFromWrongThreadException
Nov 11 10:42:32 <Looney> should I include the runOnUiThread runnable inside my networking thread runnable
Nov 11 10:42:37 <brrt> Looney, probably, yes
Nov 11 10:42:56 <brrt> wait wait
Nov 11 10:43:06 <brrt> you are modifying the adapter on a background thread
Nov 11 10:43:20 <brrt> modifying the adapter should be running on the ui thread
Nov 11 10:43:44 <Looney> but runOnUiThread should take care of it, no  ? ?
Nov 11 10:43:45 <brrt> also, you should probably use an asynctask for this stuff
Nov 11 10:43:48 <brrt> no
Nov 11 10:44:00 <brrt> alright, lemme explain whats' happening here
Nov 11 10:44:06 <Looney> ok, please
Nov 11 10:44:12 <brrt> a): you are starting a thread, and it gets a result
Nov 11 10:44:18 <brrt> from Jsoup
Nov 11 10:44:21 <Looney> Amen
Nov 11 10:44:33 <brrt> genre is probably your arraydaapter
Nov 11 10:44:36 <brrt> adapter
Nov 11 10:44:43 <Looney> yup
Nov 11 10:44:55 <Looney> it is, you can guess from getCount
Nov 11 10:45:27 <brrt> alright, so what happens is that your arrayadapter is directly being modified in the background thread - the same thread that also read the jsoup data
Nov 11 10:45:41 <Looney> ok
Nov 11 10:46:27 <brrt> now, if your arrayadapter is being watched by the listview - 'connected to the listview', so to speak, it will see those updates coming from another thread, and raise an exception
Nov 11 10:46:58 <brrt> basically, you have to do one of the following things:
Nov 11 10:47:17 <brrt> a - load and process the data in the background, an b): insert the data into the adapter on the ui thread
Nov 11 10:47:30 <Looney> ok
Nov 11 10:48:01 <brrt> or, create a new adapter in the background thread, and add it to the listview in the ui thread
Nov 11 10:48:02 <brrt> :-)
Nov 11 10:48:37 <Looney> you suggest commenting line 109 and uncommenting 110
Nov 11 10:48:40 <Looney> ? ?
Nov 11 10:49:04 <brrt> no… i suggest you either move line 109 to line 92
Nov 11 10:49:27 <brrt> or better yet, you use an AsyncTask because they are made for this purpose
Nov 11 10:50:53 <Looney> replaced this with activityContext in your line suggestion
Nov 11 10:51:02 <Looney> or should I leave "this" as it
Nov 11 10:51:04 <Looney> or should I leave "this" as is
Nov 11 10:54:37 <brrt> you can probably just replace this with '' nothing :-)
Nov 11 10:54:46 <brrt> java knows that you mean the runOnUiThread of the containing object
Nov 11 10:54:49 <Looney> ok
Nov 11 10:55:27 <brrt> but serioulsy
Nov 11 10:55:31 <brrt> use AsyncTask
Nov 11 10:55:34 <brrt> its what they are for
Nov 11 10:56:13 <brrt> i can probably overdo the praise becoming to AsyncTask, but they are really quite useful for exactly this scenario
Nov 11 10:56:16 <Looney> I know, they are there and make life easier
Nov 11 10:56:31 <brrt> :-)
Nov 11 10:56:38 <Looney> since not a time critical thing I am upto, so trying to fiddle with thread
Nov 11 10:57:05 <brrt> very well, that is up to you
Nov 11 10:57:19 <brrt> just make sure the runnable is initialized before you start the thread getting the data
Nov 11 11:04:55 <Looney> figured that thing first
Nov 11 11:09:10 <Looney> partial voila
Nov 11 11:09:17 <Looney> no exception, no view
Nov 11 11:16:39 <brrt> no view? hmmm
Nov 11 11:16:58 <brrt> could you show the code again?
Nov 11 11:22:26 <pancakeface> I changed my package name and the app compiles and will load the first screen, but not any others.
Nov 11 11:23:02 <pancakeface> can't really figure out why
Nov 11 11:26:21 <pancakeface> I've changed the manifest, and refactored.
Nov 11 11:26:39 <pancakeface> Anything that tries to touch the database I'm using will crash though.
Nov 11 11:38:30 <shmooz> Looney: I'm doing a similar thing but scanning storage for media files in Asynctask and populating the list on ui thread
Nov 11 11:40:43 <shmooz> the part I'm still not sure if I did right is, in MainActivity I had to create a new runnable to check when the Asynctask has finished
Nov 11 11:41:11 <fabianH> When to use a asynctask ? and when to use a runnable?
Nov 11 11:41:49 <shmooz> use Asynctask for anything that will make the UI lag
Nov 11 11:42:47 <shmooz> I see runnable like a loop I can use to constantly check for something during runtime
Nov 11 11:43:33 <fabianH> ok thank you :)
Nov 11 11:48:31 <fabianH> any thoughts about my layout?
Nov 11 11:48:32 <fabianH> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nquraqed9ftqj9i/Screenshot_2013-11-11-12-46-53.png?m
Nov 11 11:49:32 <fabianH> I'm trying to do a school assignements and homework planner app
Nov 11 11:59:09 <Pitel_IPEX> http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide#TOC-Using-sourceCompatibility-1.7 nice, can I add 1.7 compatibility to ant?
Nov 11 11:59:53 <Pitel_IPEX> or, is there some guide to migration from ant to gradle?
Nov 11 12:00:07 <Pitel_IPEX> with android in mind
Nov 11 12:04:06 <lasserix> Does anyone know, can I layer a custom view on top of a gridview and still receive touch events in the gridview?
Nov 11 12:06:33 <thepoosh> lasserix: 1, you can catch the touch events and return false
Nov 11 12:06:35 <lasserix> fabianH, nice layout, tho you might use left and right justification to dileneate cells
Nov 11 12:06:44 <thepoosh> 2. you can set clickable to false
Nov 11 12:06:52 <lasserix> thepoosh: you mean on the custom view ?
Nov 11 12:06:53 <thepoosh> to everything that extends View
Nov 11 12:06:56 <thepoosh> yes
Nov 11 12:07:03 <lasserix> ahh
Nov 11 12:07:12 <lasserix> but i want the touch listener on the gridview
Nov 11 12:07:15 <thepoosh> vustomView.setClickable(false)
Nov 11 12:07:22 <SimonVT> lasserix: Yes, you can
Nov 11 12:07:30 <SimonVT> By default views don't catch touch events
Nov 11 12:07:35 <lasserix> ahh ok
Nov 11 12:07:44 <thepoosh> once you return false, the next view in the hierarchy will catch it
Nov 11 12:07:59 <SimonVT> You don't have to override anything, call any methods, etc
Nov 11 12:08:13 <lasserix> the end idea is to basically enable a drag and drop on a gridview by just drawing over the gridview (and using notifydatasetchanged to hide while in drag mode)
Nov 11 12:08:20 <lasserix> thanks!
Nov 11 12:08:56 <SimonVT> For drag'n'drop you should watch the devbytes on it
Nov 11 12:09:53 <lasserix> >
Nov 11 12:09:54 <lasserix> ?
Nov 11 12:10:11 <lasserix> ahh cool
Nov 11 12:10:11 <lasserix> thanks
Nov 11 12:10:22 <lasserix> trying to avoid 3.0>api calls so it is backwards compat
Nov 11 12:10:57 <lasserix> ahh perfect thanks SimonVT!
Nov 11 12:13:00 <ovrflw0x> for a person knowing Java, what's the ___fastest___ way to learn/start programming android apps?
Nov 11 12:13:21 <SybyAbraham> Good question!
Nov 11 12:14:38 <Pitel_IPEX> ovrflw0x: start with couple of basic tutorials, then xperiment ad read the doc.
Nov 11 12:14:49 <lasserix> overflw0x: generate some project ideas that seem feasible, code them rinse and repeat with more complexity
Nov 11 12:17:19 <ovrflw0x> i was wondering if there are some "copy/paste" working examples to start out with
Nov 11 12:22:01 <lasserix> Does anyone know if the phone type icons exist somewhere i can access thru android.R. (like work home mobile etc)?
Nov 11 12:22:02 <shmooz> ovrflw0x: do you have the IDE installed and written hello world ?
Nov 11 12:28:21 <anli> On some devices I get the message "the app has not been installed" when I try to run an apk-file, is there anyone else getting this?
Nov 11 12:36:02 <Looney> bogey call when I said no view, the text is in white  :'(
Nov 11 12:37:05 <ovrflw0x> does anyone have any internet android devel resource that would like to share to quickly grasp android app devel?
Nov 11 12:37:37 <Looney> and I was stupid enough to reuse and old xml without changing colour value  :'(
Nov 11 12:38:17 <Looney> the ephiphany of checking colour came after drinking a mug of magical fluid which earthlings call coffee
Nov 11 12:39:04 <shmooz> Looney: was it white on white ?
Nov 11 12:39:09 <Looney> yup
Nov 11 12:39:14 <shmooz> lol
Nov 11 12:39:43 <shmooz> well you can enforce colors in xml or java
Nov 11 12:39:52 <Looney> and you think its funny
Nov 11 12:39:57 <Looney> :-P
Nov 11 12:40:13 <shmooz> or themes
Nov 11 12:40:15 <Looney> changed the xml and now seeing data in my listview as expected
Nov 11 12:40:37 <Looney> why did I delay my coffee
Nov 11 12:41:16 <shmooz> switch to tea, its better
Nov 11 12:41:53 <shmooz> coffee is like coke, you get a nice buzz and then crash and burn
Nov 11 12:42:20 <shmooz> it dehydrates
Nov 11 12:42:54 <kakazza> I thought that was a myth?
Nov 11 12:43:39 <shmooz> ok maybe a bit of an exaggeration ;)
Nov 11 12:43:57 <shmooz> but I get headaches from coffee compared to tea
Nov 11 12:44:10 <kakazza> I don't remember exactly, but the rationale went like this: Yes, caffeine dehydrates, but you take it in with 200ml of water alongside it. :D
Nov 11 12:44:47 <kakazza> Whatever works for you. I drink both, and a lot of water.
Nov 11 12:52:02 <Looney> water yes, a lots of it
Nov 11 12:52:18 <^cheeky> kakazza: when it dehydrates it also dellites your vitamins and minerals ...
Nov 11 12:52:27 <Looney> because coffee is a know diuretic
Nov 11 12:52:49 <^cheeky> *depletes
Nov 11 12:53:22 <jakob|> i tried compiling w/o proguard, the apk-size was smaller w/o proguard!
Nov 11 12:53:30 <^cheeky> be smart grab a monster, got the caffeine + minerals so you crash onto a smooth fluffy pillow :P
Nov 11 12:53:31 <^cheeky> DING
Nov 11 12:53:33 <jakob|> i've used proguard on this project for years
Nov 11 12:54:02 <thepoosh> jakob|: progaurd is not just for apk size
Nov 11 12:54:08 <thepoosh> *proguard
Nov 11 12:54:41 <jakob|> thepoosh: but something must have changed in ADT. if i would have compiled this 1 year ago it would have been much larger because i have external jars and shit
Nov 11 12:55:12 <thepoosh> hmmm
Nov 11 12:55:32 <jakob|> that was the reason i started using proguard
Nov 11 12:55:40 <jakob|> to reduce the apk-size
Nov 11 12:57:57 <Looney> for padding font size, etc. sp is recommended unit ? ?
Nov 11 13:00:40 <lasserix> looking through this code I'm working with i wonder who the previous coder was using temporary names like "lolsinner" for a click listener
Nov 11 13:01:13 <Looney> hehe
Nov 11 13:01:22 <Looney> neat stuff you discovered lasserix
Nov 11 13:01:31 <lasserix> well just some of the names are very odd
Nov 11 13:01:50 <lasserix> guess just temporary names that never got codified before the project was passed on
Nov 11 13:01:54 <Looney> ok, if I rotate my phone, the listview data gets pulled from internet again
Nov 11 13:02:11 <Looney> I mean, shouldn't it be in Dalvik
Nov 11 13:02:21 <Looney> I mean in memort
Nov 11 13:02:23 <Looney> I mean in memory
Nov 11 13:04:03 <lasserix> not in a way you can access it i believe
Nov 11 13:04:13 <lasserix> you have to save your state somehow
Nov 11 13:04:24 <lasserix> you can use a non ui fragment to hold the listview's underlying data set
Nov 11 13:04:43 <Looney> came across the following suggestion on SO
Nov 11 13:04:48 <lasserix> or you can dump the underlying data set into retainobject in activity
Nov 11 13:05:45 <Looney> <activity android:name="yourActivity" android:configChanges="keyboardHidden|orientation|screenSize"/>
Nov 11 13:06:06 <Looney> but can I use this thing inside my application tag
Nov 11 13:06:18 <Looney> so that this applies to my all activities
Nov 11 13:10:31 <lasserix> yeah but if someone calls
Nov 11 13:10:37 <lasserix> while your app is loading
Nov 11 13:10:41 <lasserix> you'll still lose the state
Nov 11 13:10:45 <lasserix> when the user goes back
Nov 11 13:10:55 <lasserix> *while your app is in foreground/active
Nov 11 13:12:14 <Looney> ok
Nov 11 13:14:00 <Dragonya> Whats the best way to show a httpresponse? I'm using the entity.getContent() but i dont think im using it right, as i only get one line telling me what server type it is (usually apache)
Nov 11 13:14:39 <brx_> see EntityUtils class
Nov 11 13:15:11 <Dragonya> will do, thanks
Nov 11 13:29:33 <bluesm> Where I can find the definition of TextApperance.Medium  style ? And how can I search for other styles ?
Nov 11 13:32:10 <funkbox> how is fitsSystemWindows propagated ?
Nov 11 13:36:21 <totic> Hi I just learn about adding a custom button by using the android:imeOptions, but how do I add a custom one?
Nov 11 13:38:29 <kizzx2> hey guys
Nov 11 13:39:05 <kizzx2> i want to implement location update for my app using 2 trigger criteria — minDistance of 500m OR minTime of 10 minutes
Nov 11 13:39:35 <kizzx2> is the usage of 2 LocationListener for the same provider from the same app supposed to be supported?
Nov 11 13:48:49 <PatrickBic> hi, i am invoking a class B from some android class (A => invokes B.main).. B calls its constructor (B.main => B.cstr)... in that constructor it calls some library-class-function (B.cstr => C.someFunction)... i do get a java.lang.NoClassDefFound Exception @ C.someFunction.    the same code works just fine (without the invoke / Android stuff) on my desktop, therefore it has to do something with th
Nov 11 13:48:49 <PatrickBic> e invoke/android-stuff... any idea, anyone?
Nov 11 13:52:48 <FabianH> maybe u included the wrong class?
Nov 11 13:58:31 <PatrickBic> FabianH, same code works on my desktop, just using an "android launcher" makes it crash..
Nov 11 14:00:01 <Mavrik> is your library even included in android package?
Nov 11 14:01:32 <PatrickBic> its added under referenced projects. doesnt work if its included with a jar-file too
Nov 11 14:06:00 <FabianH> maybe you have a problem with your constructor
Nov 11 14:06:02 <PatrickBic> Mavrik, can i (double-)check that somehow?
Nov 11 14:06:25 <FabianH> post your logcat
Nov 11 14:06:44 <PatrickBic> lemme see.. one sec
Nov 11 14:08:55 <PatrickBic> 11-11 14:32:22.333: I/dalvikvm(29030):
Nov 11 14:08:56 <PatrickBic> Could not find method util.Constants.isWindows, referenced from method playerswt.PlayerSWT.<init>
Nov 11 14:09:20 <PatrickBic> util.Constants being the library-class and isWindows a static-function (to check if the code is running on windows)
Nov 11 14:12:38 <nyt> no
Nov 11 14:12:50 <nyt> ack misfire
Nov 11 14:14:04 <PatrickBic> nyt, was that meant for me?
Nov 11 14:19:18 <Disgrntld> hello, in an GLSurfaceView-based game, how granular should I make activities? Is it like per screen, per level, per game (and just handle scenes manually)?
Nov 11 14:19:26 <FabianH> anyone got tips for desisngning a android ui?
Nov 11 14:21:27 <Disgrntld> ...seems like I should have as few context-switches as limited by resource memory usage, does that make sense?
Nov 11 14:21:50 <sonOfRa> FabianH, d.android.com/tutorial
Nov 11 14:22:06 <t0th_-> hi
Nov 11 14:22:07 <jasabelle> what's the difference (if any) of using intellij instead of eclipse?
Nov 11 14:22:13 <t0th_-> i have the pic in drawable caled slide
Nov 11 14:22:18 <lemonxah> LOTS
Nov 11 14:22:24 <t0th_-> called slide_1_image
Nov 11 14:22:24 <jasabelle> are there things that eclipse can do and intellij cant or vice versa?
Nov 11 14:22:28 <FabianH> in my opinion, intelij is much slower ..
Nov 11 14:22:32 <lemonxah> intellij is TONS better than eclipse
Nov 11 14:22:42 <FabianH> at least on my 2 x 1.4 ghz laptop..
Nov 11 14:22:45 <t0th_-> When try  R.drawable.slide_1_image, is not getted
Nov 11 14:22:46 <lemonxah> but use android studio cause it is based on intellij's free version
Nov 11 14:22:47 <t0th_-> can help me?
Nov 11 14:23:12 <jasabelle> android studio is sitll experimental though?
Nov 11 14:23:13 <lemonxah> jasabelle, intellij can do more than eclipse .. eclipse cant do anything that intellij cant
Nov 11 14:23:24 <t0th_-> Resource	Path	Location	Type slide_1_image cannot be resolved or is not a field	
Nov 11 14:23:28 <lemonxah> jasabelle, not really its stable enough to use
Nov 11 14:23:35 <lemonxah> our entire dev team is on android studio
Nov 11 14:23:39 <CallumTaylor> has anyone used the new storage framework APIs? Im having trouble getting an image's path from the returned content URI, doing a managed query is returning null
Nov 11 14:24:00 <CallumTaylor> using 4.4s document picker
Nov 11 14:24:12 <FabianH> if you have a fast pc, then use android studio..
Nov 11 14:24:20 <FabianH> if not, then eclipse is the better choice..
Nov 11 14:24:29 <CallumTaylor> other way around
Nov 11 14:24:42 <lemonxah> if you have a slow pc use android studio
Nov 11 14:25:02 <lemonxah> if you have a fast pc why torture yourself with eclipse ? just use android studio
Nov 11 14:25:33 <porten> jasabelle: you can use intellij 13 eap
Nov 11 14:25:37 <FabianH> android studio is much slower
Nov 11 14:25:58 <lemonxah> FabianH, its not slower i have found it to be faster on all machines
Nov 11 14:26:01 <FabianH> i tried it on my slow pc, but it was not quite good
Nov 11 14:26:05 <FabianH> really?
Nov 11 14:26:08 <lemonxah> and i have not had android studio crash once
Nov 11 14:26:12 <FabianH> for me it's really slow
Nov 11 14:26:15 <lemonxah> eclipse crashes 3-4 times a day
Nov 11 14:26:21 <porten> it has most if not all of the features in astudio
Nov 11 14:27:35 <jasabelle> what's the difference between android studio and intellij?
Nov 11 14:27:53 <lemonxah> AS is based on IntelliJ 13 eap
Nov 11 14:28:05 <lemonxah> but its focussed on android as in only android projects
Nov 11 14:28:18 <lemonxah> if you doing other projects then use intelliJ 13 eap
Nov 11 14:28:24 <lemonxah> but thats about it
Nov 11 14:31:25 <FabianH> i really don't like to use android studios gradle
Nov 11 14:31:30 <FabianH> it's confusing for me..
Nov 11 14:31:44 <lemonxah> gradle might be confusing at first but its actually pretty decent
Nov 11 14:31:46 <FabianH> so much new things to learn.. i like to just add librarys to the project..
Nov 11 14:31:48 <kakazza> It's the new build system. Better get used to it ;)
Nov 11 14:31:57 <FabianH> where is the difference?
Nov 11 14:32:03 <FabianH> i don't get that..
Nov 11 14:32:15 <FabianH> what's wrong with the old system
Nov 11 14:32:28 <kakazza> No dependency management, for one.
Nov 11 14:32:34 <lemonxah> indeed
Nov 11 14:32:47 <lemonxah> maven is cool
Nov 11 14:32:58 <kakazza> Gradle makes it easy to build flavors, have custom fields in your BuildConfig file instead of just DEBUG etc.
Nov 11 14:33:27 <lemonxah> i love that i can just do compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:18.0.0' and it works
Nov 11 14:33:27 <kakazza> I guess as AS progresses, they'll automate things more. With 0.3.4 they added a GUI for some parts of the Gradle Config afaik.
Nov 11 14:33:36 <lemonxah> and that i can have my buildConfig generated
Nov 11 14:33:46 <kakazza> @AS being slow, I only heard that from linux users so far. But that's only anecdotal evidence.
Nov 11 14:34:04 <lemonxah> kakazza, i am on linux and its not slow
Nov 11 14:34:09 <lemonxah> faster than eclipse
Nov 11 14:34:24 <kakazza> I see, because a friend went back to Eclipse on Linux.
Nov 11 14:34:26 <kakazza> *shrugs*
Nov 11 14:34:32 <kakazza> YMMV
Nov 11 14:34:51 <lemonxah> we are 2 thirds on linux here and 1 third on windows
Nov 11 14:34:55 <lemonxah> and everyone is on AS
Nov 11 14:35:03 <FabianH> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nquraqed9ftqj9i/Screenshot_2013-11-11-12-46-53.png?m
Nov 11 14:35:04 <lemonxah> no complaints from either side :)
Nov 11 14:35:15 <FabianH> i need some suggestions for that layout..
Nov 11 14:35:21 <FabianH> i'm doing a school planner..
Nov 11 14:35:31 <FabianH> you like it?
Nov 11 14:35:48 <kakazza> lemonxah: That's good to hear!
Nov 11 14:42:53 <bluesm> Where I can find the definition of TextApperance.Medium  style ? And how can I search for other styles ?
Nov 11 14:43:29 <t0th_-> hi
Nov 11 14:43:31 <t0th_-> can read me?
Nov 11 14:43:34 <FabianH> hi
Nov 11 14:43:36 <FabianH> no
Nov 11 14:43:41 <t0th_-> thanks
Nov 11 14:43:47 <t0th_-> i have the pic in drawable
Nov 11 14:43:49 <t0th_-> called slide_1_image
Nov 11 14:43:51 <t0th_-> When try  R.drawable.slide_1_image, is not getted
Nov 11 14:44:07 <t0th_-> Resource	Path	Location	Type slide_1_image cannot be resolved or is not a field
Nov 11 14:44:11 <t0th_-> but i have the image
Nov 11 14:44:14 <t0th_-> in drawable
Nov 11 14:44:16 <t0th_-> i am using eclipse
Nov 11 14:47:12 <FabianH> try renaming
Nov 11 14:47:47 <t0th_-> trying
Nov 11 14:48:17 <t0th_-> nothins
Nov 11 14:48:27 <FabianH> show source
Nov 11 14:56:55 <t0th_-> http://pastebin.com/hUJpsD3t
Nov 11 15:00:04 <pfn> lemonxah, how are you effectively writing scala in AS? or at work it's all java?
Nov 11 15:15:32 <Yauhen90> Hello! Is there any possibility to give user link on play market with referal parameter and when application will be installed - use this referal parameter?
Nov 11 15:15:51 <CallumTaylor> Yauhen90: http://support.mobileapptracking.com/entries/22561636-How-Google-Play-Install-Referrer-Works
Nov 11 15:19:42 <t0th_-> any?
Nov 11 15:20:55 <Elderwolf> Design question.  I want my fragments to have access to a data helper for getting JSON from a webservice.  Should I make all my fragments through an interface so they have a callback from the data helper?
Nov 11 15:44:01 <CallumTaylor> does anyone know how to handle the URI returned from the new document picker in 4.4? Doing a content query on that returns null
Nov 11 15:58:34 <shadej> how to specify z-index on android?
Nov 11 15:59:01 <shadej> I have two overlapping views and i want hard code their z-index value
Nov 11 16:04:02 <evanc> shadej: the ordering in the FrameLayout determines their z-order
Nov 11 16:05:55 <shadej> evan: can i change their order programmatically?
Nov 11 16:07:17 <mms_> I bought motorola atrix 4g from ebay and its locked to ATT.  When I insert sim it asks for sim network unlock pin.
Nov 11 16:07:35 <evanc> shadej: remove them and use addView(View,int) to insert it in the desired position
Nov 11 16:07:38 <evanc> mms_: #android
Nov 11 16:07:43 <mms_> ok
Nov 11 16:09:25 <s0beit> how do fragments handle the back button when added to the stack? I'm getting adapter crashes and failures to initialize when i hit back even though I initialize data in onCreate
Nov 11 16:10:00 <s0beit> onResume? onStart? how do i handle savedInstance in those instances (or is it even needed if onCreate isn't called?)
Nov 11 16:12:07 <explodes> YEA ANDROID
Nov 11 16:12:09 <explodes> woop woop
Nov 11 16:24:56 <CallumTaylor> the new document picker in KK uses a different content URI which I can't get the file path from, what would be the best way to send the URI input stream over HTTP for file upload?
Nov 11 16:31:06 <Denel> hello. why does countdowntimer hang on the last second?
Nov 11 16:31:40 <explodes> havent you seen action movies?
Nov 11 16:31:43 <explodes> timers never hit 0
Nov 11 16:31:53 <t0th_-> hi
Nov 11 16:31:57 <DeadSix27> before they explodes
Nov 11 16:31:59 <DeadSix27> :p
Nov 11 16:32:03 <explodes> heh
Nov 11 16:33:20 <t0th_-> i have http://d.pr/i/wYVA in my Android Preferences of project: ../submodules/viewpagerindicator/library
Nov 11 16:33:39 <t0th_-> when i try   <com.viewpagerindicator.CirclePageIndicator i have an error
Nov 11 16:33:43 <Denel> heh
Nov 11 16:33:45 <Denel> but
Nov 11 16:33:57 <Denel> I made him to hit 0
Nov 11 16:34:00 <Denel> so jokes on you
Nov 11 16:37:48 <Mrdarknezz> Is it possible to pust an expandlelistview inside an expandeble listview expanded item
Nov 11 16:38:16 <Mrdarknezz> resulting in another level
Nov 11 16:41:30 <CallumTaylor> what will happen when OEMs start work on 4.4 with the document picker? I can see them removing it and using their own weird version which will return different content URIs x_x
Nov 11 16:41:32 <pfn> not really, no
Nov 11 16:41:45 <t0th_-> android studio or eclipse
Nov 11 16:41:46 <t0th_-> ?
Nov 11 16:42:19 <pfn> intellij
Nov 11 16:42:27 <t0th_-> free?
Nov 11 16:42:30 <pfn> yes
Nov 11 16:42:32 <pfn> use the CE
Nov 11 16:42:47 <t0th_-> can export eclipse and import in intellij ?
Nov 11 16:42:57 <pfn> should handle it somewhat
Nov 11 17:08:07 <CallumTaylor> static reference to Application singleton good/bad?
Nov 11 17:13:37 <tunage> where is the AVD? I installed the SDK but the AVD manager is no where to be found?
Nov 11 17:25:23 <shmooz> tunage: check your User\AppData\Local\Android dir
Nov 11 17:31:51 <Xtreme> hey guys, http://pastebin.com/K6YZAWyp Log part is the issue. Any sugesstions?
Nov 11 17:31:53 <Xtreme> i am expecting INT
Nov 11 17:34:58 <Xtreme> anyone?
Nov 11 17:35:02 <napster> I need to catch a broadcast, if my activity is in foreground and avoid it from being received by anything else. If my activity is not in FG, I need separate broadcast receiver to receive and create a notification about it. How can I do it?
Nov 11 17:36:45 <napster> Xtreme: Why don't you implement a method called getCurrencyName(position OR id); inside the adapter itself?
Nov 11 17:37:32 <napster> Xtreme: or even cleaner, get the object itself using the overriden getItem(position); method
Nov 11 17:37:56 <Xtreme> napster, :) answer is simple. learning andoird, following a tutorial. :) and new to java too. :)
Nov 11 17:38:46 <napster> Xtreme: oh :) You can override the getItem() method if you are extending a BaseAdapter and you may return the exact item from your data list there.
Nov 11 17:39:31 <napster> Then get it inside your on item click listener, by listAdapter.getItem(position); and get your required data from it.
Nov 11 17:40:11 <Xtreme> hmm.. interesting. :) thanks, Will try it. (not now, just after i finish this one, but i will)
Nov 11 17:40:55 <napster> okey
Nov 11 17:41:16 <napster> Can someone help me out on this one? : I need to catch a broadcast, if my activity is in foreground and avoid it from being received by anything else. If my activity is not in FG, I need separate broadcast receiver to receive and create a notification about it. How can I do it?
Nov 11 17:50:22 <eghdk> Trying to upload a new apk to google play, but the upload progress gets stuck at 1%. Is this happening to anyone else?
Nov 11 17:52:02 <Cadmi> Hi
Nov 11 17:53:15 <Cadmi> I have overrided the OnDrawText method of a textview. I want to keep what i have painted before calling this method every time. Unfortunately, every time this method is called, what I draw before is erased
Nov 11 17:54:37 <Cadmi> any idea please?
Nov 11 17:54:56 <Cadmi> the canvas is passed as paraemter to the OnDrawText method, and every time time the canvas is new.. so i think this is the reason
Nov 11 17:55:07 <Cadmi> can i reuse the same canvas every time ?
Nov 11 18:04:49 <FabianH> I get  Task 'wrapper' not found in project
Nov 11 18:05:10 <FabianH> when trying to import in android studio..
Nov 11 18:06:22 <FabianH> anyone got a solution?
Nov 11 18:06:28 <FabianH> that's why i hate android studio..
Nov 11 18:09:20 <t0th_-> hi
Nov 11 18:09:28 <t0th_-> i am using eclipse
Nov 11 18:09:39 <sleepster> does anyone know how to use android gradle and not include the dependencies "transitively" ? I have an app that depeends on a project and when I build the APK, it keeps packaging the external dependencies into the APK
Nov 11 18:10:42 <sleepster> or does someone know how to compile a jar into dex using android gradle?
Nov 11 18:38:03 <Tacticalmind> does anyone know where I can read how to put more complex shapes into my OpenGL ES environment rather than just squares and triangles
Nov 11 18:38:37 <Tacticalmind> like putting actual images in my OpenGL ES Environment
Nov 11 18:39:16 <JesusFreke> there are tons of opengl tutorials online. The basics are the same between desktop and ES version.
Nov 11 18:39:26 <JesusFreke> you can probably even find an opengl es tutorial these days
Nov 11 18:39:41 <JesusFreke> "texture" is likely the term you want to look for :)
Nov 11 18:40:06 <Tacticalmind> well i was told that the opengl es lesson on the android tutorial showed how to do what I'm asking but i can't find where
Nov 11 18:43:40 <Xtreme> Hey guys
Nov 11 18:43:43 <Xtreme> i have listview
Nov 11 18:43:48 <Xtreme> in which i have many edittext
Nov 11 18:43:54 <Xtreme> i need to set changelistener on them
Nov 11 18:43:58 <Xtreme> how can i do it?
Nov 11 18:49:50 <ColonelPanic001> I must be doing something dumb. Why can I access android.R.drawable.ic_media_play, but not android.R.drawable.ic_media_stop?
Nov 11 18:50:27 <ColonelPanic001> in teh gui designer (in android studio), @android:drawable/ic_media_stop causes a "cannot resolve" error, but the preview shows it fine
Nov 11 18:51:02 <Xtreme> anyone?
Nov 11 18:52:22 <ColonelPanic001> Xtreme: sorry, I havne't done anything like that
Nov 11 18:53:03 <Xtreme> ColonelPanic001, no prob :)
Nov 11 18:53:59 <ColonelPanic001> hm, looks like the ic_media_stop legitimately isn't in android.R. Weird, since there's play, pause, next, etc
Nov 11 18:55:03 <SimonVT> Noone references framework drawables directly anyway
Nov 11 18:55:15 <kakazza> Colonel does!
Nov 11 18:55:22 <ColonelPanic001> Q.E.D.
Nov 11 18:55:42 <ColonelPanic001> I just need a stop button and if there was one built-in already, didn't see the appeal of drawing my own qhite square :P
Nov 11 18:56:12 <kakazza> ColonelPanic001: http://j.mp/androidassetstudio
Nov 11 18:56:12 <SimonVT> See if there isn't one in the icon package on the design page you can use
Nov 11 18:56:36 <ColonelPanic001> cool, thanks
Nov 11 18:57:02 <kakazza> Click "Clipart", it contains what you need
Nov 11 18:57:46 <ColonelPanic001> just found it, thanks.
Nov 11 18:57:54 <ColonelPanic001> just seems weird they'd do everything except stop. meh.
Nov 11 18:58:49 <kakazza> SimonVT is right, though. You never know when they might remove an icon, so it's better to ship your own.
Nov 11 18:59:15 <SimonVT> They wont remove drawables that are exposed in the api
Nov 11 19:00:01 <dcow> but those drawables will be different based on which version of android your app is running on
Nov 11 19:00:09 <ColonelPanic001> heh, to be fair, I'm using pause, play, and stop - about as simple as a icon gets, simple shapes. Maybe I should do drawable xml files for them.
Nov 11 19:00:18 <ColonelPanic001> I mean, we're talking about a square.
Nov 11 19:01:06 <ColonelPanic001> and yeah, in this case I specifically need it white, rather than being in a menubar or something where I Might want to it be whatever the default is for that version of android, etc
Nov 11 19:01:07 <SimonVT> Stop is deprecated
Nov 11 19:01:21 <ColonelPanic001> heh. "stopping a media file is no longer supported"
Nov 11 19:01:34 <SimonVT> e.g. play music just has pause
Nov 11 19:02:07 <SimonVT> Lots of media players do
Nov 11 19:02:30 <ColonelPanic001> meh. I'm not trying to argue, it just seems odd to me.
Nov 11 19:03:09 <SimonVT> Pausing essentially stops it anyway, except it doesn't lose progress
Nov 11 19:03:36 <ColonelPanic001> right, so it's different.
Nov 11 19:03:43 <ColonelPanic001> not much, but is
Nov 11 19:03:51 <dcow> I guess they think stopping is analogous to the back button
Nov 11 19:03:57 <ColonelPanic001> yeah, that's probably it
Nov 11 19:04:14 <dcow> but also "awesome player" may not handle stopping media well either
Nov 11 19:04:24 <SimonVT> They just think it's redundant
Nov 11 19:04:31 <dcow> it has enough trouble seeking
Nov 11 19:04:53 <SimonVT> (which it is :p)
Nov 11 19:05:12 <dcow> how is it redundant if it performs a different function?
Nov 11 19:05:25 <dcow> not that I think they should add stop back, just curious
Nov 11 19:06:01 <SimonVT> There's no reason to add a stop button
Nov 11 19:06:13 <dcow> that may be true.
Nov 11 19:06:19 <dcow> but that's different that redundant d=
Nov 11 19:06:50 <dcow> *someone* may find it reasonable
Nov 11 19:07:06 <kakazza> SimonVT, you're a true believer.
Nov 11 19:07:11 <dcow> haha
Nov 11 19:07:22 <SimonVT> When playing a cd, stop and pause makes sense
Nov 11 19:07:24 <ColonelPanic001> maybe I'm thinking about this wrong then (still a bit new) - I was having the play/pause button do a mediaplayer.pause, and stop do a .stop() and .release()  - should I not do that?
Nov 11 19:07:32 <SimonVT> When playing digital media, eh..
Nov 11 19:07:32 <ColonelPanic001> this is for a mp3 stream
Nov 11 19:07:45 <ColonelPanic001> SimonVT: but you're just restating what you said, not saying why
Nov 11 19:08:10 <dcow> I don't think there's actually a pause() function.  there's just play and stop
Nov 11 19:08:21 <dcow> or start and stop rather
Nov 11 19:08:48 <ColonelPanic001> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaPlayer.html
Nov 11 19:08:50 <ColonelPanic001> sure there is
Nov 11 19:09:03 <ColonelPanic001> wait, read your line wrong
Nov 11 19:09:04 <ColonelPanic001> checking
Nov 11 19:09:09 <ColonelPanic001>  void 	pause()
Nov 11 19:09:10 <ColonelPanic001> Pauses playback.
Nov 11 19:09:10 <dcow> I'm wrong
Nov 11 19:09:28 <g00s> hm, should i be able to ContentResolver.notifyChange( URI  … ) on a URI that isn't based on an authority from manifest <provider> entry ?
Nov 11 19:09:49 <SimonVT> Pausing the stream essentially stops it
Nov 11 19:09:51 <dcow> ColonelPanic001: remembered it wrong sorry
Nov 11 19:10:04 <ColonelPanic001> dcow: np, you just made me check that I was right, never a bad thing
Nov 11 19:10:11 <ColonelPanic001> SimonVT: essentially, or it does the same thing?
Nov 11 19:10:20 <ColonelPanic001> I'm legitimately asking, not trying to argue.
Nov 11 19:10:30 <dcow> SimonVT but stop has a very different meaning as to what happens on the codec level
Nov 11 19:10:40 <ColonelPanic001> as in, I assumed pause would keep things in memory, keep the streaming going, etc, while stop might drop the connection, etc
Nov 11 19:10:43 <SimonVT> You might buffer a bit.. If the user pauses and backgrounds the activity, you can shut it down completely
Nov 11 19:10:43 <g00s> kakazza true believers, pragmatists, and skeptics :)
Nov 11 19:11:02 <SimonVT> You can handle this smartly in the app, instead of leaving it up to the user
Nov 11 19:11:13 <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I hate letting the user stop a music stream.
Nov 11 19:11:17 <dcow> so users are dumb?
Nov 11 19:11:36 <dcow> (I don't like assuming my users are idiots)
Nov 11 19:11:40 <ColonelPanic001> maybe they want to pause it for a second, then start back up, and later on they're legitimately done, and want to drop it entirely
Nov 11 19:11:45 <dcow> (but I digress)
Nov 11 19:11:45 <ColonelPanic001> this doesn't seem that far fetched to me
Nov 11 19:12:01 <ColonelPanic001> or in my case, I want to keep the foreground notification while paused, but drop it when they stop
Nov 11 19:12:13 <ColonelPanic001> because in one case they're not done using it, and in the other they are
Nov 11 19:12:55 <kakazza> g00s: :)
Nov 11 19:13:32 <dcow> ColonelPanic001: as I said before, I don't think it's because it's redundant, but more because of the way they want you to think about resource acquisition in android.  nothing should hold onto resources longer than needed, so stopping something (being done with it) is the same as finishing the activity displaying it
Nov 11 19:14:12 <SimonVT> I like how play music handles the notification. If paused while app is backgrounded, notification stays.. If paused while in app, it disappears
Nov 11 19:14:16 <dcow> media, then, should never be "stopped", or in other words, you should not hold onto resourcess you don't need
Nov 11 19:14:19 <ColonelPanic001> yeah, maybe. But that doesn't seem intuative, at least in this case. But, I'm just starting to think about it, maybe it is
Nov 11 19:15:13 <dcow> if it's paused, it means you can come back to it.  if it's stopped why hold onto it
Nov 11 19:15:30 <dcow> and in that sense I tend to agree with the deprecation of stop
Nov 11 19:15:39 <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I can see that argument
Nov 11 19:15:45 <SimonVT> When paused, you should be prepared to release resources anyway if device memory runs low
Nov 11 19:15:48 <kakazza> SimonVT: I don't have any music on my phone, when does it disappear when in background?
Nov 11 19:15:55 <dcow> SimonVT: but that's different
Nov 11 19:16:04 <ColonelPanic001> same here, maybe that's part of the confusion - I don't use android for music at all
Nov 11 19:16:15 <kakazza> When swiped away?
Nov 11 19:16:49 <SimonVT> kakazza: It has its own little x button actually
Nov 11 19:17:06 <kakazza> Eh?
Nov 11 19:17:17 <kakazza> Like the Alarm/Snooze has?
Nov 11 19:17:58 <dcow> the player stats a service that handles music playback.  when there's an activity showing, you comunitcate that way.  when you leave the activity, a notification is placed in the drawer
Nov 11 19:18:29 <dcow> you can "stop" the playback by dismissing the notification or you can simply pause it via the notification
Nov 11 19:18:58 <ColonelPanic001> that's pretty much what I should probably do, suppose
Nov 11 19:19:15 <dcow> in the case of dismissing the notification, they entire service playing the music is allowed to die, it doesn't sit around and wait for you to come back to it only to press a stop button, or something
Nov 11 19:19:40 <SimonVT> Leave the activity without anything playing and there's no notification
Nov 11 19:19:47 <dcow> yes
Nov 11 19:26:13 <paulo_> hello
Nov 11 19:26:29 <paulo_> shouldn't be that hard to port a java applet to android, right?
Nov 11 19:27:08 <dcow> what are you trying to do?
Nov 11 19:27:21 <dcow> android is not java
Nov 11 19:27:34 <paulo_> i mean as an android app
Nov 11 19:27:41 <paulo_> does it not use Java?
Nov 11 19:27:43 <fish47> Hi everyone, is it necessary to use android.text.StaticLayout in the UI thread ?  Thanks.
Nov 11 19:28:15 <paulo_> I have a card game java applet that I want to port to android.
Nov 11 19:28:23 <shmooz> does WebView contain a java applet engine ?
Nov 11 19:29:55 <evanc> fish47: all UI manipulation must be done from the UI thread
Nov 11 19:30:04 <evanc> shmooz: the fact that you're asking that scares me
Nov 11 19:30:28 <evanc> paulo_: it likely won't be easy, and it's equally likely that you shouldn't do it that way even if it worked.
Nov 11 19:30:55 <shmooz> evanc: I haven't tried it, but if it does, that's what paulo_ can use
Nov 11 19:31:12 <fish47> evanc: But what classes / interfaces  that make it can't run in child thread ?
Nov 11 19:31:41 <paulo_> most of the code is easily separable
Nov 11 19:32:25 <paulo_> I'll just need learn the gui part
Nov 11 19:33:14 <dcow> in that case, you are taking the right approach.  you should be able to "port" your strict java code rather easily.  you're correct you'll need a real android ui
Nov 11 19:33:17 <pfn> so I guess it's confirmed, the moto x on vzw doesn't have an unlockable bootloader
Nov 11 19:33:18 <pfn> fucking lame
Nov 11 19:33:30 <pfn> dev edition is such a ripoff
Nov 11 19:33:34 <dcow> vzw is fucking lame
Nov 11 19:33:44 <pfn> I'm disappointed that motorola is a google company...
Nov 11 19:33:58 <pfn> s/that/because
Nov 11 19:34:08 <paulo_> dcow: thanks
Nov 11 19:34:13 <dcow> you can buy a moto x out of contract
Nov 11 19:34:23 <dcow> from motorola, can't you?
Nov 11 19:34:25 <shmooz> almost as bad as java and mysql being owned by oracle ;)
Nov 11 19:34:53 <g00s> shmooz i almost wonder if java is making more progress under oracle than sun
Nov 11 19:35:10 <shmooz> g00s: almost but not quite ;)
Nov 11 19:35:11 <g00s> despite Dr Evil, etc
Nov 11 19:36:01 <shmooz> they should release it to the wild open source community to do what it wants with it, maybe under a BSD licence
Nov 11 19:36:24 <dcow> there is nothing proprietary about the java language spec
Nov 11 19:36:34 <dcow> the open source community has created the open jdk
Nov 11 19:36:36 <paulo_> just found out there are 6 apps in the play store for my card game. that idea is out the window
Nov 11 19:36:40 <dcow> and it sucks.. unfortunately
Nov 11 19:36:44 <shmooz> yeah but if oracle wants java gone, it will be gone
Nov 11 19:36:53 <dcow> what do you mean gone?
Nov 11 19:36:57 <coderroadie> paulo_ you should use some copyright and design patents.
Nov 11 19:37:11 <paulo_> coderroadie: what do you mean?
Nov 11 19:37:13 <shmooz> dcow: just like they decided to kill flash, they could decide to kill java
Nov 11 19:37:30 <dcow> shmooz: would anyone complain?
Nov 11 19:37:43 <shmooz> I would
Nov 11 19:37:58 <dcow> you *like* java as a language?
Nov 11 19:38:08 <dcow> I mean I put up with it because I like android
Nov 11 19:38:23 <shmooz> it may not be perfect but it is what we got used to
Nov 11 19:39:14 <shmooz> I don't want some top down decisions made by corporate executives to dictate what I learn and do
Nov 11 19:39:24 <dcow> the language isn't so much the problem as the vm
Nov 11 19:39:34 <dcow> shmooz: don't fool yourself
Nov 11 19:39:41 <dcow> shmooz: look at your entire life
Nov 11 19:39:55 <dcow> did you *want* mcdonalds
Nov 11 19:40:00 <shmooz> my life is different
Nov 11 19:40:28 <shmooz> I have woken up and entered the matrix
Nov 11 19:40:48 <dcow> shmooz: you will always be able to use a java-like syntax for things
Nov 11 19:41:04 <dcow> the real question is what the role of the jvm will be in the future
Nov 11 19:41:22 <shmooz> there should be a court decision to not allow languages to be owned by corporations
Nov 11 19:41:27 <dcow> if we get llvm to a point where we can use it in production, why not use taht
Nov 11 19:41:46 <dcow> be right back
Nov 11 19:49:55 <g00s> anyone using mbassador message bus on Android ?
Nov 11 19:50:35 <shigeru> never heard of it
Nov 11 19:51:10 <g00s> it has both message filtering and priorities
Nov 11 19:53:16 <dcow> shmooz: so you trust our government more than the private sector?  I wouldn't trust gov't one bit with tech decisions.  they don't even have a tech council anymore.  look what happened with the new healthcare website
Nov 11 19:54:25 <dcow> so unless you're proposing an international language standards body that regulates what computer languages are allowed....
Nov 11 19:54:32 <mattvv> yo guys, what's the best way to have a chromium webview on older devices? anyone know a solid project to use for this?
Nov 11 19:55:14 <dcow> mattvv: you can build webkit yourself and bundle it with your app.  but that's messy
Nov 11 19:55:33 <g00s> that sounds hard
Nov 11 19:55:33 <dcow> and not something I have known anyone to do.
Nov 11 19:55:36 <dcow> ^ yes
Nov 11 19:55:48 <dcow> we looked into it and it's much to involved
Nov 11 19:55:54 <dcow> for our resources anyway
Nov 11 19:56:00 <mattvv> yeah, i was looking into https://github.com/davisford/android-chromium a little bit
Nov 11 19:56:07 <mattvv> but wanted to see if anyone else had done it before
Nov 11 19:56:18 <g00s> mattvv for science !
Nov 11 19:56:42 <paulo_> sounds almost like a joke
Nov 11 19:57:49 <shmooz> dcow: I didn't say trust government, I just said languages need to be free of ownership
Nov 11 19:59:55 <p_l> dcow: the healthcare website, like majority of "government" project, was passed to a private contractor...
Nov 11 19:59:57 <dcow> they aren't owned really
Nov 11 20:00:38 <dcow> p_l: yes, but the gov't was ineffective at managing it because they don't have any sort of council or committee that even understands tech issues
Nov 11 20:01:03 <p_l> dcow: more like they don't have access to even be involved in managing it
Nov 11 20:01:09 <dcow> shmooz: like I said, no one can kill java.  buy oracle could kill their jvm
Nov 11 20:01:29 <p_l> as for killing java, it will live on with IBM...
Nov 11 20:02:22 <dcow> p_l: they paid over 600million in total for the site, they have the money, they certainly have the access — just not the skill/knowledge
Nov 11 20:03:24 <dcow> if you want to write a code swapping macro that lets you write c code in a java-like language, you could
Nov 11 20:03:35 <p_l> dcow: I worked as contractor in a government-paid project, talked with supposed oversight on another, and few other cases. While not in USA, I strongly suspect that USA got it even worse due to certain crazy ideas that are assumed by some to be even laws
Nov 11 20:04:42 <p_l> Apparently during last two decades there was a strong push for moving things more to private sector, with less control from government, at least that was the case with DoD projects. Somehow I doubt healthcare got better deal in terms of contracts there
Nov 11 20:05:22 <dcow> I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I see your point in relation to the healthcare project.
Nov 11 20:05:22 <p_l> and since it's done by external contractors, technical staff that has the skills to evaluate is often separated from such projects, laid off, or goes away because of low pay
Nov 11 20:05:33 <g00s> afaik, the healthcare website was run 'waterfall' which was probably enough to condemn it
Nov 11 20:05:47 <dcow> g00s: "waterfall is not inherently bad
Nov 11 20:06:05 <p_l> g00s: waterfall is pretty orthogonal to the whole thing
Nov 11 20:06:06 <dcow> I've heard a lot of people saying they didn't do agile
Nov 11 20:06:15 <dcow> it's just not relevant
Nov 11 20:06:15 <g00s> i'm not talking about agile
Nov 11 20:06:22 <p_l> and AFAIK at least officially they went with "scrum" :>
Nov 11 20:06:25 <Julian_B90> Hello I have a problem with my own ArrayAdapter
Nov 11 20:06:25 <g00s> waterfall is almost always bad
Nov 11 20:06:36 <g00s> unless of course, there are no risks
Nov 11 20:06:44 <dcow> g00s: for the rapid web world, perhaps
Nov 11 20:07:02 <dcow> g00s: but I disagree with the sentiment that there is not place for longer thought out projects
Nov 11 20:07:11 <g00s> thats why DoD asked Boehm to research why their projects were failing decades ago; hence the spiral model was "invented"
Nov 11 20:07:35 <dcow> Julian_B90: cool!
Nov 11 20:07:39 <p_l> g00s: that's a statement on the level of Wirth's renaming of Dijkstra's letter to "GOTO considered harmful", which led to generations of programmers who can't write basic control structures
Nov 11 20:08:10 <p_l> there's no silver bullet, no single model that can be applied for success
Nov 11 20:08:23 <g00s> p_l i dont think so :) so much evidence ? anyone taking on a large complex project with many unknowns should be automatically disqualified for suggesting waterfall
Nov 11 20:08:42 <p_l> one could say that waterfall is the top-most layer of organization, with various models underneath
Nov 11 20:08:52 <g00s> there is no silver bullets, but there is swallowing polonium
Nov 11 20:08:53 <Julian_B90> dcow can you help me
Nov 11 20:09:03 <dcow> Julian_B90: i don't know
Nov 11 20:09:23 <p_l> g00s: that's called "public offering" ;)
Nov 11 20:09:56 <Julian_B90> dcow this is my Error "java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException: Invalid index 30, size is 30"
Nov 11 20:10:07 <p_l> and eating a 12-course dinner of polonium is when you have shitty public offering evaluation method
Nov 11 20:10:08 <dcow>  g00s I think waterfall gets a bad wrap because there have been some large projects attempted by people without the talent to complete them categorized as "waterfall"
Nov 11 20:10:17 <kakazza> Julian_B90: The error tells you exactly where you went wrong.
Nov 11 20:10:19 <p_l> Julian_B90: an array of size 30 has last index 29
Nov 11 20:10:22 <kakazza> Indices are 0 based.
Nov 11 20:10:32 <Julian_B90> dcow and this is the source code if (i<30){              textView.setText(values.get(i));              i = i + 1;              textView2.setText(values.get(i));              i = i + 1;              textView3.setText(values.get(i));         }
Nov 11 20:10:43 <dcow> Julian_B90: http://pastebin.com
Nov 11 20:11:05 <p_l> Julian_B90: look at when you're incrementing and your limits
Nov 11 20:11:05 <kakazza> I hope you didn't hardcode "30" there.
Nov 11 20:11:12 <Julian_B90> http://pastebin.com/zNsA6AWv
Nov 11 20:11:17 <g00s> has anyone here even read Winston Royce's original paper on the waterfall? he said dont do it; it only works in an ideal world
Nov 11 20:11:24 <g00s> that was like in the 70s i think
Nov 11 20:11:33 <kakazza> g00s: Did you?
Nov 11 20:11:37 <g00s> sure!
Nov 11 20:11:42 <g00s> 15 years ag
Nov 11 20:11:44 <g00s> *ago
Nov 11 20:11:45 <kakazza> Julian_B90: What p_l said.
Nov 11 20:11:48 <p_l> Julian_B90: you're checking the indice only once while incrementing it few times
Nov 11 20:11:52 <kakazza> You're old :x
Nov 11 20:12:00 <dcow> Julian_B90: so when i = 29, what value are you getting for textview3?
Nov 11 20:12:03 <p_l> g00s: that's why I'm not saying anything about using it by itself
Nov 11 20:12:04 <g00s>  kakazza :)
Nov 11 20:12:59 <Julian_B90> dcow you're right
Nov 11 20:13:51 <kakazza> g00s: Are you? There was never an indication/
Nov 11 20:14:03 <dcow> g00s: we don't generally release in intervals shorter than 1month
Nov 11 20:14:29 <dcow> we do not feel that something like 2 week sprints is reasonable for the type of features we are building
Nov 11 20:14:33 <g00s> kakazza admittedly, i read that paper when i read Walker Royce;s book :D Walker knows his dad pretty well and clarified what he meant
Nov 11 20:15:15 <g00s> which was the 1e of http://www.amazon.com/Economics-Iterative-Software-Development-Steering/dp/0321509358
Nov 11 20:15:20 <dcow> depending on which "agile" you adhere to, 1mo can still be considered a sprint, but what about 2?  sometimes bigger features just need more time and testing
Nov 11 20:15:30 <g00s> again, i said nothing about agile at all
Nov 11 20:16:01 <g00s> iterative and agile are orthogonal; the former is old school stuff
Nov 11 20:16:33 <g00s> i haven't kept up with any of the agile stuff at all
Nov 11 20:16:41 <dcow> I don't think waterfall and iterative are exclusive
Nov 11 20:17:05 <dcow> waterfall just relates to when your client/customer sees a product (at least that's how I understand it)
Nov 11 20:17:07 <g00s> they aren't , a hybrid is called the fountain model described by Scott Ambler
Nov 11 20:17:10 <g00s> (one hybrid)
Nov 11 20:17:28 <g00s> there are a few with varying degrees of feedback
Nov 11 20:17:47 <g00s> even IBMs RUP is a hybris of iterative + waterfall
Nov 11 20:17:51 <g00s> *hybrid
Nov 11 20:18:08 <ColonelPanic001> "Play Music"'s notification looks like an ongoing, in that it sticks around, but has an "x" to close it - I'm not seeing how to do that
Nov 11 20:19:47 <dcow> g00s: so I don't think anyone is in disagreement if you argue waterfall is orthogonal to iterative.  thus you can have an iterative approach to development but still not release something until you think it's complete.  I think we were grouping a lack of iterating under waterfall and iterative under agile
Nov 11 20:19:50 <pfn> the x is just a pendingintent to send a broadcast
Nov 11 20:19:54 <pfn> the service clears the notification
Nov 11 20:20:01 <pfn> the broadcastreceiver
Nov 11 20:20:16 <pfn> basically, it stops foreground
Nov 11 20:20:47 <ColonelPanic001> I got curious and tried doing .setDeleteIntent(), but that didn't make it show up
Nov 11 20:21:22 <ColonelPanic001> I'm learning this as I go for the most part, sorry if this is dumb. heh
Nov 11 20:22:06 <Julian_B90> dcow OK, the error is gone but in the TextVie is not the right content.
Nov 11 20:22:25 <Julian_B90> The Content are New Text Lol
Nov 11 20:22:30 <dcow> Julian_B90: I'm sorry about that.
Nov 11 20:23:55 <ColonelPanic001> pfn: do I need to explicitly create my own layout for the notification to have that "closing x", then?
Nov 11 20:27:33 <Bronze> Hi, I need to write a cross-platform financial app.  (MS-Win,Linux,MAC,Android, .. maybe ios).  It will be a GUI oriented program like quicken or a modern spreadsheet.  Are there any widget toolsets that allow/enable a person to develop for all of those platform at the same time?  (Wxwidgets has the main three covered But i see that its not available on android. )
Nov 11 20:28:38 <Wavesonics> hey does anyone know if Android Studio's Gradle build is using the stock/vanilla gradle? or is it a fork?
Nov 11 20:28:42 <g00s> Bronze maybe xamarin / mono
Nov 11 20:29:18 <g00s> what you are doing, is the ugly kind of complexity
Nov 11 20:29:20 <Bronze> OK. Mono is a volne of a MS-basic product, correct?
Nov 11 20:29:25 <Bronze> (clone
Nov 11 20:29:30 <g00s> yes
Nov 11 20:29:47 * Bronze wonders how he typed volne for clone.... ? 
Nov 11 20:29:55 <dcow> Bronze: or you would develop for QT and try to get that running in iOS and Android
Nov 11 20:29:56 <g00s> Wavesonics i point it to my gradle install; but i dont know if it uses something else at other times
Nov 11 20:30:06 <Wavesonics> ah ok
Nov 11 20:30:25 <Wavesonics> looking into setting up a build server to use Gradle for our android stuff
Nov 11 20:30:27 <dcow> it should be stock gradel
Nov 11 20:30:31 <dcow> gradle*
Nov 11 20:31:08 <Wavesonics> dcow, ok, any idea where to grade the android plugin that gradle uses during the build?
Nov 11 20:31:19 <Bronze> dcow: develop a mainline app and port someone elses tool (who has already tried to port and failed)  to android?  Sorry. I'm in my mid-50's and I've already been through 7 death marches, which is 5 more than anyone should do in one software career. :-)
Nov 11 20:31:44 <dcow> Bronze: yeah I was not being serious
Nov 11 20:32:20 <Bronze> thanks god! :-)
Nov 11 20:32:25 <Bronze> *thank
Nov 11 20:32:32 <Bronze>  (must be typo day)
Nov 11 20:33:41 <Bronze> xamarin is also a derivative of an Ms language product. I've learned to stay away from those.
Nov 11 20:33:55 <g00s> one thing i dont understand, is that AS under the gradle/ plugin directory, includes gradle 1.8 and 1.9-rc2
Nov 11 20:34:08 <g00s> Bronze HTML5 then :D
Nov 11 20:34:21 <dcow> Wavesonics: "apply plugin: 'android'"
Nov 11 20:34:31 <Wavesonics> dcow, does that download it and everything?
Nov 11 20:34:41 <dcow> gradle is magic
Nov 11 20:34:45 <Wavesonics> fuck gradle is awesome
Nov 11 20:35:27 <dcow> Bronze: the truth is that multi-platform tools will not give you the experience you're looking for
Nov 11 20:35:49 <dcow> save for a good webapp
Nov 11 20:36:24 <ison__> hello, is it normal that calling empty method 3000 times per frame, slows down app from 80 to 30 fps?
Nov 11 20:36:43 <g00s> i regular jvm may optimize that out, but not dvm
Nov 11 20:36:53 <g00s> so yeah :)
Nov 11 20:37:18 <ison__> so it's not possible to render real-time tilemap on android phones?
Nov 11 20:37:23 <g00s> you are lucky its not seconds per frame :D
Nov 11 20:37:29 <ison__> it's only 30x30 map
Nov 11 20:38:17 <g00s> so, AS 0.3.5 is out
Nov 11 20:38:25 <Bronze> dcow: that was what I feared.
Nov 11 20:38:26 <g00s> is you are using linux, this should fix the stupid shit
Nov 11 20:38:26 <dcow> ison__: if those 3000 calls take on the order of 5ms ( so 0.3ms per function call) that would account for the slowdown
Nov 11 20:39:21 <dcow> Bronze: yeah some people use those cross platform tools, but I have yet to use an app developed using them
Nov 11 20:39:27 <ison__> ok then, i'll have to render game level in different way :/
Nov 11 20:39:34 <dcow> point being the good apps don't
Nov 11 20:39:47 <dcow> ison__: use the ndk
Nov 11 20:39:52 <ison__> is it faster?
Nov 11 20:40:08 <g00s> Bronze philisophically, you have to ask whether its best to provide functionality x for y platforms first, or x++ for <y platforms. how you capture market share is important ;)
Nov 11 20:40:17 <ison__> i'd love to write in c++ for android, but setting it up was too difficult and time consuming
Nov 11 20:40:20 <dcow> you get your own memory management, and empty function calls can be optimized
Nov 11 20:40:44 <ison__> maybe within few years SFML will be available for android
Nov 11 20:40:59 <dcow> ison__: it's not bad.  just get over the hump, you'll be glad
Nov 11 20:41:18 <ison__> what framework is the best for ndk?
Nov 11 20:41:21 <ison__> cocos2d?
Nov 11 20:41:26 <g00s> haha, AS 0.3.5 removed all the gradle 1.9-rc2 stuff
Nov 11 20:43:04 <ac_slater> Hey guys weird issue. I can see that in the 4.2.2 branch (via repo) that the android.MediaPlayer class has a .getMetaData method. In my 4.2.2 project in ADT (eclipse), that function doesnt resolve. Any hints?
Nov 11 20:43:23 <dcow> ison__: basically you want your event loop any any memory used by it running in native code.  render in gl, and lean on the system for touch input.  anything that is not your event loop (like a title screen) should be dalvik code.  I don't know anything about native frameworks, sorry.
Nov 11 20:43:23 <g00s> have your complieSdk right ?
Nov 11 20:43:30 <Bronze> g00s: very true.
Nov 11 20:44:03 <ison__> dcow, ok thanks then
Nov 11 20:44:16 <SimonVT> ac_slater: If it has @hide in the javadoc then it's not public
Nov 11 20:44:31 <g00s> Bronze its probably better to iterate on one for a few platforms first to define what people want
Nov 11 20:44:48 <g00s> too much inertial with all platforms at once ;)
Nov 11 20:45:02 <Bronze> excellent thinking
Nov 11 20:45:09 <kjeldahl> ison__: If you haven't already, you might want to check out libgdx if your primary target is Android.
Nov 11 20:45:30 <kjeldahl> Works great with desktop as well, and pretty good with iOS.
Nov 11 20:45:31 <g00s> kjeldahl are you in finland ?
Nov 11 20:45:41 <Nilium> I started toying with libgdx last night
Nov 11 20:45:51 <kjeldahl> Nope, Norway. We share a short strip of border up north.
Nov 11 20:46:00 <g00s> ah, i saw this the other day http://is12.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288617693274.jpg
Nov 11 20:46:09 <g00s> wonder if they get lost a lot out there
Nov 11 20:46:23 <kjeldahl> lol
Nov 11 20:46:37 <ison__> kjeldahl thanks, i'll take a look
Nov 11 20:46:42 <g00s> he's probably rather be here though http://ppcdn.500px.org/43787130/194d3289963778b82bf3fdbcc0461123d1576ddd/2048.jpg
Nov 11 20:47:04 <kjeldahl> Who wouldn't??
Nov 11 20:47:15 <g00s> :D
Nov 11 20:47:16 <Nilium> I think my main problem with libgdx is that I'm not convinced you can write good games on Android that aren't mainly written in C or C++.
Nov 11 20:47:16 <Nilium> Well, good, complex games
Nov 11 20:47:17 <Nilium> What I'm saying is Dalvik sucks.
Nov 11 20:47:34 <Bronze> ow
Nov 11 20:47:42 <g00s> Nilium hopefully ART experiment goes well :)
Nov 11 20:47:46 <shmooz> Nilium: they will replace it with ART soon :)
Nov 11 20:47:53 <Bronze> Nilium: what specifically about Dalvik?
Nov 11 20:48:01 <kjeldahl> Well, if you're planning on writing a software renderer, you're probably right. If not, care less java/dalvik shite and focus on getting something out!
Nov 11 20:48:15 <kjeldahl> gl does most of the heavy lifting anyway.
Nov 11 20:48:17 <Nilium> It's a VM. That's what.
Nov 11 20:48:21 <g00s> i don't think dvm has been worked on since Bornstein left
Nov 11 20:48:23 <ac_slater> SimonVT: hmm I guess I just dont know
Nov 11 20:48:37 <g00s> in 2011 :)
Nov 11 20:48:51 <Nilium> kjeldahl: GL and the bullshit you have to go through to use certain GL APIs
Nov 11 20:48:56 <Nilium> Like mapping buffers in ES3 from Java? Doesn't really work.
Nov 11 20:49:14 <Kript> hi
Nov 11 20:49:17 <ac_slater> SimonVT: I can see it here (sorry for the crap link) http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/4.2.2_r1/android/media/MediaPlayer.java/#1199
Nov 11 20:49:20 <Kript>  php extension enabled for the file to execute in http post method  ???
Nov 11 20:49:23 <shmooz> Nilium: have you heard about ART ?
Nov 11 20:49:24 <paulo_> is DVM open source?
Nov 11 20:49:27 <Nilium> Yes.
Nov 11 20:49:44 <SimonVT> ac_slater: Again, if it has @hide in the javadoc then it's not part of the public api
Nov 11 20:49:52 <evanc> Kript: er, what?
Nov 11 20:50:11 <Kript> my android app doesn t communicate with serveur apache php ..
Nov 11 20:50:30 <ac_slater> SimonVT: I don't see the @hide. Am I just overlooking it?
Nov 11 20:50:36 <kjeldahl> Nilium: The gl stuff is hard to get right, regardless of languages/platforms. When it is right, the language/platform matters less. IMHO.
Nov 11 20:50:40 <evanc> ac_slater: grepcode is hiding it
Nov 11 20:50:54 <ac_slater> evanc: ah. I've been trying to find it via github ...
Nov 11 20:51:08 <Nilium> Kript: You must be confused.
Nov 11 20:51:08 <Nilium> This is the #android-dev room, where we hate PHP and use Java which we also mostly hate.
Nov 11 20:51:08 <Nilium> Except for the masochists. They like Java.
Nov 11 20:51:31 <ac_slater> ah I found it. Thanks SimonVT and evanc
Nov 11 20:51:35 <Kript> i use eclipse
Nov 11 20:51:36 <Nilium> kjeldahl: It's easy to get right in C -_-
Nov 11 20:51:37 <Nilium> Y'know why? 'Cause it's a C API.
Nov 11 20:52:12 <shmooz> android apps do use server side php to connect to databases usually
Nov 11 20:52:33 <Kript> shmooz,  yes
Nov 11 20:52:49 <Kript> but my android apps don t call php
Nov 11 20:53:01 <kjeldahl> I no fan of java, but if you're aiming for games on Android, you'll be waiting for a long time for any real alternatives.
Nov 11 20:53:03 <shmooz> you must be missing something
Nov 11 20:53:46 <kjeldahl> But hey, you could reinvent the native stuff that the libgdx guys have done for you already. The trouble is while the rest of the world is writing games, you're about two years behind on even basic stuff. :-)
Nov 11 20:54:52 <Nilium> Well, I just lost most of any conversation going on 'cause my wifi crapped out and ZNC isn't logging this room.
Nov 11 20:54:58 <EPG> can someone recommend a (paid) app promotion service?
Nov 11 20:55:05 <g00s> Nilium haha, so funny about hating java and php
Nov 11 20:55:05 <Nilium> At any rate, I'm assuming you're trying to make the argument that doing rendition in GL is hard, which it isn't.
Nov 11 20:55:39 <kjeldahl> But I'm sure somebody said that to Carmack as well at one point in time. :-)
Nov 11 20:55:57 <Nilium> At any rate, the other sort of main issue is that using a general purpose library like libgdx leads to you trying to fit everything to its mold, which can be a very bad idea
Nov 11 20:56:38 <kjeldahl> libgdx is molded on Android and Desktop. HTML+iOS are extras. AFAIK.
Nov 11 20:57:02 <Nilium> I'm not talking about platforms.
Nov 11 20:57:10 <Nilium> I'm talking about using a tool and then trying to make all your data fit something else rather than writing code that fits the data.
Nov 11 20:57:37 <Nilium> In other words, you're taking a general purpose tool and trying to cram whatever square peg you have into its round hole god that sounds dirty
Nov 11 20:57:55 <nyt> so annoying =[ http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=62091
Nov 11 20:58:05 <kjeldahl> Could be, but based on my limited experience, it's "molded" on GL as well. ;-)
Nov 11 20:58:23 <kjeldahl> But an Unreal engine it is not.
Nov 11 20:58:43 <Nilium> You're still thinking too much about the wrong thing there
Nov 11 20:58:44 <Nilium> General purpose game engines, tools, etc. are usually a bad idea just because of cases like that where you know you could do something if the thing you were using were implemented differently, and you can't really afford to change it either.
Nov 11 20:58:46 <g00s> nyt interesting
Nov 11 20:59:17 * Nilium has a severe dislike of the Unreal engine
Nov 11 20:59:29 <shmooz> Nilium: is there anything you like ?
Nov 11 20:59:35 <kjeldahl> Nilium: Which business are you talking about, because what you're describing is not the game industry. ;-)
Nov 11 20:59:37 <g00s> nyt no owner :)
Nov 11 21:00:19 <nyt> g00s: i just submitted it last night =[
Nov 11 21:00:22 <Nilium> Hm, I'm getting messages in short bursts every minute or so
Nov 11 21:00:22 <Nilium> Wonder if I need to reboot the pi
Nov 11 21:01:25 <Nilium> kjeldahl: I'm talking about people who try to get into game dev and pick something general-purpose or build something to be general-purpose.
Nov 11 21:01:39 <kjeldahl> Nilium: Anyway, FWIW, I believe libgdx is pretty low level. The GL abstractions are fairly low, and the stuff done to textures etc (spritesheets+atlas) is more or less identical to games I wrote 20 years ago. That's gotta be low level stuff now!
Nov 11 21:02:21 <kjeldahl> (well, give or take a 3D software renderer or two)
Nov 11 21:02:33 <Nilium> libgdx is in an odd middle-ground, but there's nothing wrong with it there.
Nov 11 21:02:34 <kjeldahl> s/software/polygon/
Nov 11 21:02:44 <g00s> AS 0.3.5 was built on Sunday; those guys are working hard :)
Nov 11 21:03:17 <Wavesonics> AS is hanging when i launch it today "waiting for ADB" :( nothing seems to help it
Nov 11 21:03:33 <g00s> Wavesonics were you having the linux issue ?
Nov 11 21:03:38 <Nilium> I don't think I've seen anyone try to build software renderers in a while except as experiments
Nov 11 21:03:42 <g00s> can't remember who that was last night
Nov 11 21:03:42 <Wavesonics> g00s, Win 7 64bit
Nov 11 21:04:05 <Wavesonics> manually restarting ADB doesnt fix it, run as admin doesnt fix it, guess im going to reinstall AS
Nov 11 21:04:15 <Nilium> I remember one that I think RAD picked up at some point, but I don't know if anyone used that
Nov 11 21:05:59 <Nilium> Actually, no, an Unreal Tournament game shipped with it at one point, I think.
Nov 11 21:06:16 <kjeldahl> Lol, Pixomatic? Anyway, 2003 was a bit late for the generic software renderers anyway.
Nov 11 21:07:37 <Nilium> Yeah, Pixomatic.
Nov 11 21:08:03 <Nilium> That was the last one I'd seen that actually shipped in anything.
Nov 11 21:09:10 <bankai_> Wavesonics: kill adb.exe
Nov 11 21:09:11 <Wavesonics> reinstalling seems to have fixed it
Nov 11 21:09:21 <Wavesonics> bankai_, that didnt help
Nov 11 21:17:44 <pfn> since motorola is a google company, why can't google sell the moto x dev edition subsidized  :(
Nov 11 21:18:09 <pfn> I feel so disheartened by the unlocked bootloader situation
Nov 11 21:18:31 <kakazza> g00s: Notable changes?
Nov 11 21:19:06 <g00s> kakazza what was that ?
Nov 11 21:19:16 <shmooz> people are liking the moto x more than nexus 5 because it can wake up without you turning it on when you shout at it
Nov 11 21:19:21 <g00s> Philip Zimbardo is research director at Yahoo, wuuuut
Nov 11 21:20:32 <kakazza> In 0.3.5
Nov 11 21:21:08 <g00s> oh, nm John Boyd was research director
Nov 11 21:21:19 <g00s> kakazza i think they removed some gradle rc stuff
Nov 11 21:21:29 <g00s> -rc2 , messing up the linux guys
Nov 11 21:21:41 <g00s> might also be a more recent intellij build, can't find anything else
Nov 11 21:22:49 <pfn> shmooz, perhaps so, but an unlocked bootloader is important to me  :(
Nov 11 21:22:54 <pfn> unlocked/unlockable
Nov 11 21:22:55 <dcow> I can't imagine intellij was bumped over the weekend.
Nov 11 21:23:16 <dcow> no release notes so probably just a quick fix for the broken linux installs
Nov 11 21:23:28 <Nilium> No new EAPs right now.
Nov 11 21:24:07 <g00s> well, its based on 132.910074
Nov 11 21:24:14 <g00s> which was later than 0.3.4
Nov 11 21:24:17 <g00s> not sure :)
Nov 11 21:24:25 <Wavesonics> no change log for 0.3.5 yet
Nov 11 21:25:01 <g00s> oh man, this poor guy is getting the dreaded " "package file invalid" error when they are trying to update or install the app via Play Store. "
Nov 11 21:25:17 <g00s> i thought this was an issue with Play app a few months ago
Nov 11 21:25:34 <g00s> but he seems to think the toolchain is barfing something out invalid
Nov 11 21:29:54 <t0th_-> hi
Nov 11 21:30:37 <kjeldahl> g00s: If it works outside the Play Store, blaming the toolchain is a stretch, isn't it??
Nov 11 21:32:31 <g00s> kjeldahl https://plus.google.com/111008049726565799376/posts/R1HSezBWNa7
Nov 11 21:32:36 <g00s> > 1 million users, wow
Nov 11 21:34:05 <kjeldahl> The old 16k limit on number of methods?
Nov 11 21:34:23 <g00s> 65k :) GA is like 7K :D
Nov 11 21:34:35 <g00s> 64
Nov 11 21:34:39 <kjeldahl> Eh, I meant 16 bit..
Nov 11 21:35:48 <kjeldahl> He doesn't sound too methodical; his initial post says it works locally, but then in his comment he says he solved it and it is _now_ installing fine in the emulator.
Nov 11 21:36:16 <kjeldahl> But anyway, I know diddly squat about the issues, just looked at it now when you mentioned it.
Nov 11 21:40:43 <g00s> kinda weird that BluetoothLeService example uses binding method only; once the activity goes away it dies - whats the point of that
Nov 11 21:41:11 <p_l> can't you bind it to separate-process service?
Nov 11 21:41:33 <g00s> yeeaaah …
Nov 11 21:41:55 <g00s> but lifecycle wise, i would think bt connection would outlast UI, so it would need startService
Nov 11 21:42:15 <g00s> oh well, just a toy example
Nov 11 21:43:12 <sleepster> does anyone know how to use android's gradle plugin to convert a pure java JAR into a classes.dex
Nov 11 21:43:22 <sleepster> it seems pretty straightforward but I can't seem to figure it out
Nov 11 21:45:37 <explodes> This ColorMatrixColorFilter is not working quite right. When I change the ColorMatrix, do I need to recreate a new ColorMatrixColorFilter?
Nov 11 21:46:21 <explodes> Not working quite right means: there is no change to the saturation levels in the drawn bitmap
Nov 11 21:52:34 <explodes> Got it. With each saturation change, a new filter must be made and reassigned to the paint
Nov 11 21:53:29 <Elderwolf> Does Httpclient have access to the cookies stored in your app from webview?
Nov 11 21:53:59 <Julian_B90> Hello
Nov 11 21:57:16 <Tacticalmind> have any of you used learnopengles.com tutorials
Nov 11 22:00:36 <Julian_B90> can anyone help me with my ArrayAdapter http://pastebin.com/ktvrxfAe
Nov 11 22:00:49 <Julian_B90> My TextView are empty
Nov 11 22:05:17 <Julian_B90> Mhhhh
Nov 11 22:12:13 <Julian_B90> can anyone help me with my ArrayAdapter http://pastebin.com/ktvrxfAe
Nov 11 22:12:17 <Julian_B90> My TextView are empty
Nov 11 22:19:26 <MrMeTooo> listview
Nov 11 22:20:29 <MrMeTooo> How can I string the edittext content to my listview between activities?? any clue outthere
Nov 11 22:20:34 <Julian_B90> MrMeTooo what do you mean?
Nov 11 22:22:41 <MrMeTooo> <Julian_B90> I have 2 Activities I want to string the user edittext content and 2 spinner selection's to a listview in a different Activity OnClick
Nov 11 22:24:02 <Julian_B90> MrMeTooo mhh okay
Nov 11 22:24:43 <Julian_B90> MrMeTooo you are from germany?
Nov 11 22:25:26 <MrMeTooo> Julian_B90 I have the intents set... along with the put extras...along with the keys but they are not receiving the data
Nov 11 22:25:33 <MrMeTooo> no
Nov 11 22:26:13 <Julian_B90> MrMeTooo okay can you show me the sourcecode
Nov 11 22:26:23 <Julian_B90> http://pastebin.com
Nov 11 22:26:33 <jbwyme> hey guys, I'm working on an android library in android studio. I'm trying to setup gradle so that running "gradle install" will build the lib and publish it to my local maven repository. I've applied the 'maven' plugin and running "gradle install" runs successfully. However, it doesn't seem like anything is being installed to my local maven repo. Is there any special/additional configuration options that I may need to provide? 
Nov 11 22:26:34 <jbwyme> read that, by default, it only publishes jar files.
Nov 11 22:26:44 <osxorgate> is it possible to have a UIView that creates a UIImageView, and puts that new imageview *below* itself? So drawing order will be 1) the uiview 2) the imageview
Nov 11 22:27:04 <jbwyme> *by it i mean the maven plugin
Nov 11 22:28:23 <MrMeTooo> <Julian_B90> Done
Nov 11 22:29:36 <Julian_B90> MrMeTooo and where is the link?
Nov 11 22:29:43 <osxorgate> well damn wrong channel :0
Nov 11 22:30:19 <MrMeTooo> <Julian_B90> http://pastebin.com/Zzc0PnHJ
Nov 11 22:33:13 <Julian_B90> okay i have a similar problem
Nov 11 22:33:24 <Julian_B90> http://pastebin.com/ktvrxfAe
Nov 11 22:34:20 <jbwyme> what's the state-of-the-art way to publish .aar files to the local maven repo? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information on the interwebs
Nov 11 22:34:35 <jbwyme> it seems the maven-publish plugin is supposed to eventually supercede the maven plugin
Nov 11 22:36:55 <jbwyme> it also seems that this issue is still outstanding: https://github.com/ark/ark/issues/2
Nov 11 22:37:01 <MrMeTooo> <Julian_B90> I ran into problems also with list_item and array smh I chose a different route
Nov 11 22:37:09 <kakazza> MrMeTooo: Do getStringExtra in onCreate
Nov 11 22:39:48 <Julian_B90> kakazza do you have 10 minutes for me?
Nov 11 22:40:54 <MrMeTooo> <kakazza> If i leave the "public static String[] all" and I set the values the code will go through fine but but I cant seem to figure out a dynamic route that will work. When I move it in onCreate it doesnt populate also
Nov 11 22:42:56 <kakazza> I'm not even sure why you want the String[]
Nov 11 22:43:06 <kakazza> Just get the intent and the string extras in onCreate.
Nov 11 22:44:16 <stas123> hello!
Nov 11 22:44:26 <kakazza> Both of you should look up the Guides on how to use ListViews and Adapters. Especially afterwards the advanced lessons on efficient ListViews.
Nov 11 22:45:07 <stas123> I am just learning how to develop for android, and I'm having some trouble with the official tutorial..
Nov 11 22:45:35 <stas123> there is a part where you reference the android-support-v7-appcompat library
Nov 11 22:45:51 <stas123> and I can access all the classes from it, but not the resources
Nov 11 22:46:22 <stas123> I put this in my styles.xml: <style name="AppTheme" parent="@style/Theme.AppCompat.Light">
Nov 11 22:47:09 <MrMeTooo> <kakazza> if I just  get the intent along with extras my "new KoreyzAdapter" and "all" goes red like a said =...with static I have no problems
Nov 11 22:47:28 <MrMeTooo> <Julian_B90> any Ideas??
Nov 11 22:47:38 <stas123> and I am getting: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name '@style/Theme.AppCompat.Light'.
Nov 11 22:47:43 <stas123> has anyone had this problem in the past?
Nov 11 22:47:52 <Julian_B90> Not realy
Nov 11 22:48:17 <stas123> I can see the style entry in the library project
Nov 11 22:48:22 <stas123> but my program doesn't want to
Nov 11 22:53:53 <kakazza> MrMeTooo: Give your adapter your array as a parameter.
Nov 11 22:53:58 <kakazza> When you instantiate it.
Nov 11 22:55:18 <MrMeTooo> <kakazza> can you drop it in http://pastebin.com/ and send me the link so i can understand what you mean?
Nov 11 22:56:48 <kakazza> I don't really have time for this, I'm writing a report. You know how to pass arguments via a constructor, right?
Nov 11 22:57:55 <nomnomdeguerre> I have some questions about the activity lifecycle and stack
Nov 11 22:58:09 <nomnomdeguerre> Every time I create an intent, an activity goes on some sort of stack
Nov 11 22:58:21 <nomnomdeguerre> that can be traversed in reverse order by pressing last
Nov 11 22:58:29 <MrMeTooo> <kakazza> yes
Nov 11 22:58:36 <nomnomdeguerre> but what if I want to effectively delete the stack
Nov 11 22:58:41 <nomnomdeguerre> I'm deep in the app and I sign out
Nov 11 22:58:56 <nomnomdeguerre> now I want the current activity to be the sign on page, and have no stack behind it
Nov 11 22:59:13 <nomnomdeguerre> how do I do that?
Nov 11 22:59:49 <jbwyme> all: to anyone interested, the way I was able to publish the .aar to my local repository was to specify the file directly: http://pastebin.com/C5a0MXTZ
Nov 11 23:00:10 <jbwyme> then run "gradle clean build publishToMavenLocal"
Nov 11 23:00:53 <nomnomdeguerre> Do I just start all of my activities with the NO_HISTORY flag?
Nov 11 23:00:54 <nomnomdeguerre> i.setFlags(i.getFlags() | Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NO_HISTORY)
Nov 11 23:07:53 <puj> Howdy, I just upgraded to Android Studio 0.3.5, I seem to be having some issues building -- JDOMParseException : Premature end of file.
Nov 11 23:08:07 <puj> I'm using gradle 1.8, is there a new version requirement on gradle?
Nov 11 23:08:14 <puj> Or is something else the matter?
Nov 11 23:10:12 <puj> I've tried running `gradle wrapper` in my project.  I've re-imported the project.  I've downgraded and re-upgraded to 0.3.5..   I'm not really sure what the problem is
Nov 11 23:10:19 <puj> Maybe it's a permission I'm missing somehwere?
Nov 11 23:10:28 <puj> Any help/inspiration would be delightful :)
Nov 11 23:10:41 <puj> Also, running Ubuntu 13.10
Nov 11 23:20:20 <jeaye> How can I preserve my GL context during backgrounding?
Nov 11 23:20:52 <MrMeTooo> Guys I have 2 Activities I want to string the user edittext content and 2 spinner selection's to a listview in a different Activity OnClick any clue what I'm doing wrong check it out http://pastebin.com/Zzc0PnHJ
Nov 11 23:21:00 <p_l> jeaye: iirc you can't? You should ensure you have a way to rebuild it instead
Nov 11 23:21:32 <jeaye> p_l: I heard, through some sort of grapevine, that newer versions of Android support this.
Nov 11 23:22:09 <jeaye> At least, during activity switching.
Nov 11 23:22:11 <p_l> jeaye: Android will try to avoid destroying GL context, but amount of available GL contexts is actually GL driver specific iirc
Nov 11 23:22:30 <p_l> the problem with backgrounding is that your activity might get killed
Nov 11 23:22:44 <evanc> MrMeTooo: what are you expecting to happen?
Nov 11 23:23:16 <evanc> MrMeTooo: all that crap you're doing around line 28 (on the pastebin) - don't do that
Nov 11 23:23:35 <jeaye> p_l: What about with activity switching?
Nov 11 23:24:34 <MrMeTooo> <evanc> when the user presses "Submitt" Activity 1 will String the edittext content along with the spinner selections to the listview
Nov 11 23:25:16 <jeaye> p_l: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/opengl/GLSurfaceView.html#setPreserveEGLContextOnPause%28boolean%29
Nov 11 23:26:18 <Wavesonics> looks like Gradle 1.9 has a lot of features essentially targeting NDK support
Nov 11 23:26:28 <dragorn> Wavesonics: nice.  i'll have to check that out.
Nov 11 23:26:30 <Wavesonics> has anyone used Gradle to build a project w\ NDK support yet?
Nov 11 23:26:31 <p_l> jeaye: I was just going to link you to it
Nov 11 23:26:35 <dragorn> Wavesonics: yes
Nov 11 23:26:51 <jeaye> p_l: :P I'll try this. Thanks.
Nov 11 23:26:52 <dragorn> Wavesonics: well, yes, more or less.  I didn't roll actually calling ndk into it
Nov 11 23:27:01 <dragorn> Wavesonics: but it packages the shared libs up for me
Nov 11 23:27:33 <MrMeTooo> <evanc> How can I receive the information from Act1 and populate the listview?
Nov 11 23:28:00 <evanc> 18:21 < evanc> MrMeTooo: all that crap you're doing around line 28 (on the pastebin) - don't do that
Nov 11 23:29:20 <Wavesonics> dragorn, interesting, so u just compile the NDK stuff manually?
Nov 11 23:29:45 <Wavesonics> dragorn, ya gradle 1.9 seems to have a bunch of stuff for arcitecture specfic build flavors
Nov 11 23:31:55 <MrMeTooo> <evanc> y is it not populating?
Nov 11 23:34:08 <pfn> why must vzw be hellspawn in terms of giving customers what they want...
Nov 11 23:34:32 <shmooz> because they think they are still a monopoly
Nov 11 23:34:38 * pfn hopes volte improves the situation
Nov 11 23:34:42 <Wavesonics> pfn, vzw hates their customers, they hate handset makers, they just love them selves
Nov 11 23:34:58 <Wavesonics> it should!!
Nov 11 23:35:03 <pfn> there is absolutely no affordable phone I want on vzw  :(
Nov 11 23:35:24 <g00s> thats ok, vzw sucks
Nov 11 23:35:29 <Wavesonics> once that is out, by law, they will HAVE to allow all devices that pass cert
Nov 11 23:43:18 <Dragonya> woah logcat really sucks
Nov 11 23:43:22 <Dragonya> i have to restart so much
Nov 11 23:43:38 <Dragonya> thank god for file -> restart
Nov 11 23:43:45 <aunn> I am trying out gradle for flavorGroup like this http://pastebin.com/HvBfZAJL  and both armeabi.jar and x86.jar got compile into arm.apk and x86.apk. what am I doing wrong here ?
Nov 11 23:44:23 <Peaker> hey, how can I debug why I'm not receiving the android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast in my app's manifest?
Nov 11 23:44:54 <Peaker> I've got 2 android setups, and I install the same .apk in both, and in one I get the broadcast, and in the other I don't :(
Nov 11 23:45:00 <JesusFreke> Peaker: have you started the app manually at least once after instalation?
Nov 11 23:45:24 <Peaker> JesusFreke: nope, I don't have a launcher activity/icon, just the boot receiver that starts a service
Nov 11 23:47:21 <JesusFreke> Peaker: immediately after an application is installed, it is in a "stopped" state
Nov 11 23:47:33 <JesusFreke> while the application is in the stopped state, it can't receive broadcasts
Nov 11 23:47:44 <Peaker> "stopped" is a persistent state?
Nov 11 23:47:47 <JesusFreke> the user has to manually run the application at least once to move it out of the stopped state
Nov 11 23:47:49 <JesusFreke> yes
Nov 11 23:47:59 <Peaker> Well, I install the app via "Eclipse->Run", maybe that does that?
Nov 11 23:48:07 <Peaker> or rather, how do I know if it is in "stopped" state?
Nov 11 23:49:41 <JesusFreke> You might look at pm dump <package>
Nov 11 23:49:44 <JesusFreke> not sure if it will have it or not
Nov 11 23:49:59 <evanc> JesusFreke: IIRC that doesn't apply to adb-installed apps
Nov 11 23:51:45 <JesusFreke> Yeah, it looks like pm dump will show it
Nov 11 23:51:48 <JesusFreke> " User 0:  installed=true blocked=false stopped=false notLaunched=false enabled=0"
Nov 11 23:52:39 <Peaker> My "pm" doesn't seem to have "dump"
Nov 11 23:53:11 <JesusFreke> on-device?
Nov 11 23:53:59 <Peaker> via "adb shell"
Nov 11 23:54:11 <Peaker> anyway, "pm list packages -e" lists only enabled packages, and it is listed there
Nov 11 23:55:10 <JesusFreke> Yeah, it's a different flag than enabled
Nov 11 23:55:18 <JesusFreke> different flag/different meaning
Nov 11 23:55:41 <g00s> seems like its impossible to disable Youtube package :|
Nov 11 23:55:43 <JesusFreke> but as evanc said, if you're installing via adb (which you are, if you're running from eclipse), then that likely isn't the problem
Nov 11 23:56:57 <evanc> Peaker: does your app have this permission? http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html#RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED
Nov 11 23:57:12 <evanc> g00s: really? is its button disabled?
Nov 11 23:57:19 <Peaker> evanc: yeah
Nov 11 23:57:20 <pfn> Peaker, to receive manifest receivers, iirc, you must start your app at least one time post install
Nov 11 23:57:41 <Peaker> does "Eclipse->Run" do this one-time start?
Nov 11 23:57:42 <evanc> pfn: eclipse->run will do that, though
Nov 11 23:57:45 <g00s> evanc i disabled it, which removed downloaded updates, but then the updates re-installed themselves
Nov 11 23:57:49 <pfn> does he have a main activity?
Nov 11 23:57:56 <Peaker> because the app only has a broadcast receiver and a service it starts, there's no actual launch task
Nov 11 23:58:04 <pfn> Peaker, you must have a main activity
Nov 11 23:58:09 <pfn> and it must launch at least once
Nov 11 23:58:21 <JesusFreke> I don't think it has to be a main activity
Nov 11 23:58:21 <pfn> <-- ESP
Nov 11 23:58:23 <Peaker> pfn: hmm.. it does work on 1 of 2 of my Android setups without it?
Nov 11 23:58:36 <pfn> Peaker, this was a behavior change in 3.x or 4.x, I forget
Nov 11 23:58:43 <JesusFreke> 3.x I believe
Nov 11 23:58:44 <Peaker> I'm on 4.2.2 in both Android setups
Nov 11 23:58:47 <evanc> pfn: not exactly, but your app must have a component that's explicitly started (e.g. startService(new Intent("com.foo.bar", "PeakerActivity")); or whatever) AIUI
Nov 11 23:59:00 <pfn> evanc, yeah, but how are you gonna start it...
Nov 11 23:59:08 <pfn> without being main, or having another app do it
Nov 11 23:59:11 <evanc> pfn: adb shell am start
Nov 11 23:59:15 <evanc> but yes
Nov 11 23:59:20 <evanc> I was just being nit-picky
Nov 11 23:59:27 <evanc> Peaker: add an activity which commits suicide
Nov 11 23:59:37 <pfn> evanc, yeah, am start would work
Nov 11 23:59:49 <evanc> (in its oncreate it disables itself via PackageManager's setComponentEnabledState API)
Nov 11 23:59:58 <Peaker> Error: Activity not started, unable to resolve Intent { act=android.intent.action.MAIN cat=[android.intent.category.LAUNCHER] flg=0x10000000 pkg=<my-package-name> }
Nov 12 00:00:10 <Peaker> (when I try to "am start" it
Nov 12 00:00:20 <evanc> Peaker: in your real app, use that activity to give the users a "welcome, here's what my app is all about" wizard
Nov 12 00:00:39 <Peaker> well, it's not a user-facing app, just a package around a service that will be pre-installed on phones
Nov 12 00:00:44 <evanc> Peaker: "adb shell am start" is not sufficient. Consult the docs if you want to do it that way
Nov 12 00:01:08 <Peaker> I just need to have a background service that starts at boot
Nov 12 00:01:52 <JesusFreke> I believe the stopped state doesn't apply to bundled apps
Nov 12 00:02:08 <JesusFreke> assuming you're talking about something in /system/app or similar
Nov 12 00:02:15 <Peaker> I am wondering why one on my TouchWiz S4 4.2.2 it does work, and on my AOSP 4.2.2 it does not work
Nov 12 00:02:42 <JesusFreke> hah. I wonder if samsung borked the stopped state logic.
Nov 12 00:03:45 <Peaker> it will eventually be in /system/app, but I'm currently temporarily installing it into /data/app
Nov 12 00:03:50 <Peaker> (during development)
Nov 12 00:04:24 * g00s gets a certain satisfaction being able to say switch(intent.getAction()) :D
Nov 12 00:04:58 <Peaker> I think it did work on my AOSP 4.2.2 just a week ago (but I'm not entirely sure)
Nov 12 00:14:17 <Peaker> I tried adding "<action android:name="android.intent.action.MAIN"/>" to my receiver/intent-filter in the manifest.  "adb shell am start <my-package-name>" results in Error: Activity not started, unable to resolve Intent {  ... }
Nov 12 00:15:36 <Kript> http://pastebin.com/crfL2xXT i don t know why my app android doesnt call .php
Nov 12 00:15:54 <Kript> i have change  http://xx for past ..
Nov 12 00:17:08 <gdrc> android sdk java 7?
Nov 12 00:17:19 <Kript> yes
Nov 12 00:17:46 <Peaker> Why would it fail to resolve the MAIN intent that I added?
Nov 12 00:18:05 <Kript> my post it s ok ?
Nov 12 00:18:10 <evanc> you're likely missing the category. Also, it needs to be on an activity, not a receiver.
Nov 12 00:18:41 <evanc> Peaker: finally, adb shell am start starts a service, not an activity or receiver
Nov 12 00:19:09 <gdrc> i will return my nexus 5 :(
Nov 12 00:19:23 <Peaker> evanc: doh.. so I have no idea what I could try next :(
Nov 12 00:19:42 <evanc> er, I might be wrong about that. adb shell am startservice starts the service. Oops
Nov 12 00:21:16 <Kript> can t help me ?
Nov 12 00:23:09 <Peaker> evanc: if a broadcast receiver can receive android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED, why not android.intent.action.MAIN?
Nov 12 00:23:31 <evanc> Peaker: I mean it can, but that wouldn't help you with your issue
Nov 12 00:23:49 <evanc> (well, it can, but in a roundabout way)
Nov 12 00:24:09 <evanc> Peaker: adb shell am broadcast -n com.foo.bar/.PeakerBootReceiver
Nov 12 00:26:04 <Peaker> "result=0" for the broadcast means no receivers?
Nov 12 00:27:30 <Peaker> evanc: this worked!  does this change the persistent state of the app so that after reboot it will receive the broadcast?
Nov 12 00:28:25 <maven__> Is it necessary to create the DialogFragment to hold a Dialog?
Nov 12 00:28:32 <maven__> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#DialogFragment
Nov 12 00:29:19 <evanc> Peaker: it should
Nov 12 00:30:52 <Peaker> doh! why did Eclipse suddenly prefix my package name with "src." and decide the "package" directive now mismatches everywhere?
Nov 12 00:31:09 <Peaker> If only "mm" worked I could use emacs, eclipse is driving me nuts
Nov 12 00:32:08 <g00s> Peaker you can use emacs :) kjeldahl is using it
Nov 12 00:32:33 <g00s> i wasn't brave enough in the end; and fallback to vim when AS goes belly up, but that isn't often any more
Nov 12 00:32:52 <Peaker> Eclipse is my development bottleneck, taking 20 sec to restart, and requiring a restart constantly due to bugginess
Nov 12 00:33:05 <g00s> then try plain intellij
Nov 12 00:33:15 <g00s> or AS if you're adventuresome
Nov 12 00:33:35 <g00s> presumably, you don't have any gradle stuff yet - thats why i push you towards plain intellij
Nov 12 00:34:18 <Peaker> Do people actually use Eclipse? I don't get it, nothing actually works!
Nov 12 00:38:38 <dragorn> Wavesonics: sorry, dinner.  yes, I just compile ndk myself, but I always did under eclipse, too
Nov 12 00:38:53 <Wavesonics> ah ok cool
Nov 12 00:39:43 <dragorn> Wavesonics: I can give you the gradle for it.  I'm sure there's a way to automate the ndk build component, I just haven't cared
Nov 12 00:40:05 <Wavesonics> ya that gradle file would be awsome
Nov 12 00:40:17 <Wavesonics> im actually not sure there is a fully integrated solution yet for the NDK
Nov 12 00:40:33 <Wavesonics> the Gradle 1.9 changes look to address some shortcomings that may have prevented it up to this point
Nov 12 00:41:47 <dragorn> Wavesonics: it's definitely POSSIBLE, since you can just execute 'ndk build' and it will use the makefile stuff.  I suppose if your goal is to get rid of the makefile component entirely, you've got issues
Nov 12 00:42:03 <Wavesonics> yes thats the goal
Nov 12 00:42:04 <Wavesonics> eventually
Nov 12 00:43:09 <dragorn> Wavesonics: http://durandal.kismetwireless.net/~dragorn/pcap.build.gradle
Nov 12 00:43:29 <Wavesonics> awesome thx man!
Nov 12 00:44:06 <dragorn> Wavesonics: not my creation, but that's the gradle for it; i got it via a bunch of googling
Nov 12 00:44:21 <Wavesonics> cool
Nov 12 00:45:05 <dragorn> Wavesonics: the libs/ directory is of course the directory created by ndk build with the arm/ intel/ etc dirs
Nov 12 00:45:15 <Wavesonics> right right
Nov 12 00:45:27 <Wavesonics> http://www.gradle.org/docs/release-candidate/release-notes
Nov 12 00:45:32 <Wavesonics> 1.9 features
Nov 12 00:45:44 <Wavesonics> looks like some great work on speeding up build times as well
Nov 12 00:45:58 <zezba9000> Has anyone else ever got GooglePlayServices not found errors?  Even after exporting symbols ect...
Nov 12 00:46:17 <Wavesonics> zezba9000, don't think so :/
Nov 12 00:46:23 <Wavesonics> u using the maven dependency?
Nov 12 00:46:26 <zezba9000> I had to revert back to the normal AdMob SDK as the GooglePlayServices API just doesn't work
Nov 12 00:46:46 <zezba9000> Not in any context outside of Ecplips that is
Nov 12 00:47:38 <zezba9000> Also Does Google plan on making some universial API that contains all there APIs in one or something??  Why do they fragment all there stuff?
Nov 12 00:47:47 <zezba9000> AdMob is now in the AdMob SDK, GooglePlayServices SDK and GPS SDK iv'e been told?
Nov 12 00:48:06 <maven__> Android studio can not find R.class . What's the problem? I have tried re-build the project, Does not work.  http://imgbin.org/images/15640.png
Nov 12 00:51:32 <Rager> maven__: you've got issues building *something*
Nov 12 00:51:42 <Rager> ./gradlew clean && ./gradlew build
Nov 12 00:51:45 <Peaker> evanc: Thanks a lot for your help! It seems like this broadcast is a good workaround, at least for now :)
Nov 12 00:51:51 <Rager> add --info if build fails
Nov 12 00:52:12 <maven__> Rager, Thanks I will have  a try
Nov 12 00:53:14 <zezba9000> Also any reason Android doesn't build its APIs into the OS like every other mobile OS, BB10, iOS & WP8??  This would get rid of so much API fragmintation.
Nov 12 00:54:37 <pfn> huh
Nov 12 00:54:40 <pfn> what are you talking about
Nov 12 00:54:40 <|0xD34D|> lol
Nov 12 00:54:46 <|0xD34D|> the APIs are built into the OS
Nov 12 00:54:46 <pfn> the apis are built into the OS
Nov 12 00:54:47 * Rager blinks
Nov 12 00:54:51 <pfn> you really are talking out of your ass
Nov 12 00:55:02 <pfn> WP8 is a single version
Nov 12 00:55:08 <pfn> iOS has lots of fragmentation
Nov 12 00:55:10 <|0xD34D|> the fragmentation comes from new versions of android adding/removing stuff
Nov 12 00:55:14 <pfn> but fanboys upgrade annually, so that's not a problem
Nov 12 00:55:23 <pfn> BB10 is also a single version
Nov 12 00:55:27 <zezba9000> I'm not a fan boy, there are problems with them all
Nov 12 00:55:51 <zezba9000> I just see Androids API all over the place in comparison and trying to figure out why
Nov 12 00:56:04 <pfn> all over the place?
Nov 12 00:56:09 <pfn> there's only one android API
Nov 12 00:56:13 <p_l> WP8 is an exception because MS ensured that it was controlling updates, at the same time forcing little difference between different devices
Nov 12 00:56:17 <pfn> but different devices have older and newer versions of android
Nov 12 00:56:19 <zezba9000> Yes AdMob existing in 3 places is "all over the place"
Nov 12 00:56:28 <pfn> admob isn't an android api
Nov 12 00:56:30 <pfn> what's your point
Nov 12 00:56:47 <zezba9000> Is GooglePlayServices and Android API??
Nov 12 00:56:51 <p_l> no
Nov 12 00:57:12 <zezba9000> um yes it is... it runs on Android
Nov 12 00:57:20 <p_l> it's not part of OS API
Nov 12 00:57:28 <zezba9000> thus its a Android API even if it runs on other platforms
Nov 12 00:58:05 <Rager> zezba9000, stop
Nov 12 00:58:07 <p_l> according to your statement, a shitty one-file lib written and used by one person is a system API
Nov 12 00:58:38 <zezba9000> Then why is the GooglePlay Store responsible for pulling down the newest GooglePlayServices API features?
Nov 12 00:58:42 <p_l> Android APIs are the ones described as part of AOSP in the official docs (the ones that don't require google services)
Nov 12 00:58:52 <Rager> because googleplayservices is not part of Android the OS
Nov 12 00:59:22 <p_l> zezba9000: Google Play Services is an extra software package that can be installed separately on an Android device (ever heard of "gapps" in mods?)
Nov 12 00:59:26 <Rager> Android is the open source OS
Nov 12 00:59:43 <Rager> Google Play Services are closed-source Google-hosted cloud services
Nov 12 00:59:52 <p_l> The licensing for GooglePlayServices is separate completely and involves passing Google's testing
Nov 12 00:59:53 <zezba9000> I understand that
Nov 12 01:00:03 <p_l> zezba9000: doesn't look like it
Nov 12 01:00:14 <Rager> then why are you making combative and unconstructive remarks?
Nov 12 01:00:45 <zezba9000> The question is then why is the AdMob API and others so fragmented or shared in such a strange way between these "extra" APIs
Nov 12 01:02:00 <defuex> hello everyone, i was playing around with actionbarsherlock and now want to use my own home icon and a back button...but i think i do something wrong...can someone help me please? https://dpaste.de/Qeae
Nov 12 01:02:01 <p_l> zezba9000: it's because they are external libraries, not part of the system. And in case of AdMob it also involves history of the whole thing (acquisition etc.)
Nov 12 01:02:13 <pfn> so everything that runs on android should be shipped with android?
Nov 12 01:02:28 <pfn> so facebook, and evernote, and whatever else should ship with android?
Nov 12 01:02:36 <pfn> they all have android apis
Nov 12 01:03:11 <pfn> if you don't like or understand admob, don't use it
Nov 12 01:03:37 <zezba9000> pfn: AdMob is fine... fragmenting APIs is not
Nov 12 01:03:42 <pfn> fragmenting what apis?
Nov 12 01:04:04 <pfn> what exactly is fragmented
Nov 12 01:04:10 <pfn> there is a single canonical location for admob
Nov 12 01:04:10 <zezba9000> AdMob is fragmented between GooglePlayServices, GPS and the normal AdMob API
Nov 12 01:04:27 <p_l> zezba9000: those APIs are part of external offerings of various companies/services
Nov 12 01:05:23 <zezba9000> Normally a Linux distro doesn't work that way
Nov 12 01:05:52 <zezba9000> Normally to keep things better in sync you just pull the peaces you need that are part of a global repo
Nov 12 01:05:59 <zezba9000> like Arch Linux ect...
Nov 12 01:06:05 <jeaye> Using `setPreserveEGLContextOnPause`, is there any way I can determine if my context was preserved or not?
Nov 12 01:06:17 <zezba9000> So even drivers could be pulled via this system
Nov 12 01:06:33 <p_l> zezba9000: this is not a linux distro
Nov 12 01:06:52 <g00s> p_l wait, i heard it was :O
Nov 12 01:06:59 <zezba9000> p_l: Android is not Linux?  Or Googles Android is not Linux?
Nov 12 01:07:02 <Rager> android is linux, but it's not linux.
Nov 12 01:07:08 <g00s> :)
Nov 12 01:07:18 <p_l> zezba9000: it's not a GNU/Linux distro with central package repo
Nov 12 01:07:29 <pfn> android has a linux kernel
Nov 12 01:07:33 <pfn> doesn't mean it's a linux distribution
Nov 12 01:07:40 <p_l> it's a Linux OS, yes, but it's not POSIX even, less so a typical linux distro
Nov 12 01:08:10 <p_l> also, if you stick your nose into real world, you have to deal with software outside your distro all the time
Nov 12 01:08:14 <zezba9000> Still doesn't mean a normal repo system doesn't make sense just because they didn't use one for some reason
Nov 12 01:08:15 <Rager> linux isn't POSIX.
Nov 12 01:08:27 <Rager> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
Nov 12 01:08:29 <p_l> especially on annoying distro's that don't have slotting
Nov 12 01:08:38 <Rager> if you really want to get down to that.
Nov 12 01:08:40 <p_l> Rager: it's not certified, but it follows POSIX
Nov 12 01:09:00 <pfn> a normal repo system doesn't make sense for phones and tablets
Nov 12 01:09:01 <p_l> There were distros that had POSIX certification
Nov 12 01:09:02 <pfn> ok, lets move on
Nov 12 01:09:06 <pfn> stupid argument is stupid argument
Nov 12 01:09:23 <Rager> in any case, zezba9000, why are these indications that there is a problem with Android?
Nov 12 01:09:52 <Rager> the multiple places you can get the same AdMob SDK from are indicative of AdMob's past as a business asset, not as a coding project
Nov 12 01:09:53 <p_l> Rager: being coddled by distro packages and never having to ship bundled dependencies, apparently :)
Nov 12 01:10:16 <zezba9000> Rager: Because if you are going to make an OS that runs on many manifactured devices like GNU/Linux, you need to have a system set up that can handle it in a good way
Nov 12 01:10:26 <zezba9000> By that, I mean a way that keeps things up to date
Nov 12 01:10:34 <Rager> the AdMob SDK gets included in the APK as a dependency
Nov 12 01:10:44 <p_l> zezba9000: that's orthogonal to AdMob issue
Nov 12 01:10:44 <zezba9000> like a repo system that shares drivers and core system files
Nov 12 01:10:45 <Rager> because it's not part of the OS
Nov 12 01:11:15 <p_l> AdMob is not part of OS, it's a bundled dependency that the application has to include by itself
Nov 12 01:11:16 <Rager> that's not necessary for an OS in which the end user does not actually need the functionality of a rich package management system
Nov 12 01:11:18 <g00s> zezba9000 ubuntu phone uses apt for its package manager
Nov 12 01:11:23 <g00s> *ubuntu touch
Nov 12 01:11:31 <g00s> so yeah, i think it does make sense
Nov 12 01:11:37 <g00s> but google reinvents stuff ;)
Nov 12 01:11:42 <zezba9000> Rager: Doesn't matter if its part of the OS... same goes for many things on GNU/Linux
Nov 12 01:11:45 <Rager> it can work, but the reason Ubuntu touch uses apt is that it's Ubuntu
Nov 12 01:12:07 <p_l> g00s: till you have situation where you need two or three versions of the same package at the same time
Nov 12 01:12:23 <zezba9000> p_l: I get the simple fact AdMob is a stand alone API
Nov 12 01:12:44 <Rager> why should it be managed by a package manager external to the actual application consuming the API?
Nov 12 01:12:50 <Rager> that can land you in dependency hell
Nov 12 01:12:56 <g00s> docker ftw !
Nov 12 01:13:08 <pfn> anyway, if you want a central repository
Nov 12 01:13:09 <pfn> use maven
Nov 12 01:13:11 <Rager> plus, would we need a separate google marketplace for all those dependencies?
Nov 12 01:13:14 <g00s> just read somebody got docker running on raspberry pi
Nov 12 01:13:43 <p_l> zezba9000: the idea is that every APK is self-standing outside of <uses-library> stuff, which is quite easy to filter out...
Nov 12 01:13:48 <zezba9000> Rager: No just the core OS and drivers, libGL ect... type things would be part of the repo
Nov 12 01:14:09 <zezba9000> Some APIs make sense being there own package... like maybe even AdMob does
Nov 12 01:14:21 <p_l> g00s: it's not hard to get docker running. All you need is Go compiler for that platform and linux
Nov 12 01:14:42 <g00s> i think you still need aufs
Nov 12 01:14:45 <Rager> is android on raspberry pi a distant fantasy, still?
Nov 12 01:15:10 <zezba9000> p_l: This is not true... there are so many types you have to do special check simply because the Android OS updates will never happen on older devices...
Nov 12 01:15:23 <zezba9000> **so many times
Nov 12 01:15:48 <p_l> zezba9000: that's because they want to use APIs that aren't included in their minimal supported set. Which introduces the need to check at runtime
Nov 12 01:16:18 <g00s> p_l for multiple versions of the same package , gentoo had slots, not sure what apt does
Nov 12 01:16:27 <p_l> g00s: APT afaik is incapable of handling it
Nov 12 01:16:49 <JesusFreke> Rager: afaik, you can get android to run, just not run "well".
Nov 12 01:16:52 <zezba9000> p_l: I know why... I just think the root issue or the way OS drivers and bad libs is handles is wrong
Nov 12 01:16:54 <JesusFreke> on an rpi
Nov 12 01:16:55 <p_l> RPM theoretically can do so, even had some support for relocation, but it needs apropriate specced RPMs, which you can guess are rarity
Nov 12 01:17:16 <Rager> just google'd that one - looks like Broadcom just did the android build to infuriate the masses
Nov 12 01:17:45 <p_l> zezba9000: you're welcome to go fight vendors to give you the necessary access, or code workarounds all the time
Nov 12 01:18:00 <zezba9000> I think the Pi will be much better after Wayland gets more official on it
Nov 12 01:18:50 <zezba9000> p_l: I just wish Android had been set up to make this the best option for vendors
Nov 12 01:19:31 <Rager> the pi was interesting last year
Nov 12 01:19:59 <zezba9000> In the long run sharing core APIs that are pointless rewriting 1000 times over benifits everyone.... kinda like what needs to happen with GLES me thinks :)
Nov 12 01:20:16 <zezba9000> ...more like GLSL systex parser ect
Nov 12 01:20:17 <Rager> this year, it's too weak at its price point to be that interesting
Nov 12 01:20:26 <Rager> zez
Nov 12 01:20:30 <pfn> too weak at $25 or whatever it is? heh
Nov 12 01:20:40 <Rager> you're rambling incoherently
Nov 12 01:20:55 <Rager> $35
Nov 12 01:21:36 <Rager> and Broadcomm won't give people what they need to actually use the GPU
Nov 12 01:22:37 <p_l> zezba9000: the best option for vendors is the one where you don't get any updates
Nov 12 01:23:04 <zezba9000> Rager: Well its not incoherent, its just to hard to explain everything about GLES and how it relates to what I was talking about before... so i'll just drop it... as its a sestmic problem to other things
Nov 12 01:23:51 <zezba9000> p_l: ya for a system set up like ANdroid... but this is bad for 99% of everyone else
Nov 12 01:23:59 <Rager> you can't update the OS - there's no manufacturer or carrier that's going to let that happen outside of official OTA's
Nov 12 01:24:10 <Rager> well, we're talking about Android here
Nov 12 01:24:22 <p_l> zezba9000: manufacturers are interested only in what brings them money. In this case, selling new devices
Nov 12 01:24:48 <zezba9000> Rager: yep and why its not a problem with ANdroid rly, but the monitary system itself ;p
Nov 12 01:24:55 <zezba9000> so whatever
Nov 12 01:25:01 <p_l> zezba9000: the only other way to expect more involvement is if you paid for a support contract
Nov 12 01:25:07 <Rager> you're arguing nonsense about non issues
Nov 12 01:25:11 <zezba9000> I just see there being ways to get around it Android could take
Nov 12 01:25:29 <zezba9000> Rager: It is the core issue... but would take to long to explain in text
Nov 12 01:26:19 <p_l> zezba9000: you're slowly going into issue called "capitalism" fwiw
Nov 12 01:26:25 <zezba9000> p_l: I disagree... but its fine.  I know its not going to change.
Nov 12 01:26:49 <zezba9000> p_l: yes but everything in busness derives from that right?? So it is part of the core issue
Nov 12 01:27:01 <zezba9000> **dirives
Nov 12 01:27:03 <Rager> you're not arguing anything
Nov 12 01:27:14 <pfn> this has gone off into the weeds
Nov 12 01:27:17 <Rager> you're just making vague incoherent complaints about android
Nov 12 01:27:22 <pfn> agree
Nov 12 01:28:13 <p_l> pfn: love the multiple meanings in "gone off into weeds" :)
Nov 12 01:28:33 <Rager> in any case
Nov 12 01:28:49 <Rager> what's the best practice with regards to SettingsFragment in older api's?
Nov 12 01:28:50 <bankai_> did google give up on Guice and go with Dagger ? I see that espresso is using it.... they achieve the same goal, right ?
Nov 12 01:28:56 <p_l> g00s: http://dbareactions.tumblr.com/post/66488573177/when-the-mongodb-guys-manage-to-go-a-month-without <--- lol
Nov 12 01:29:09 <pfn> why would google give up on guice
Nov 12 01:29:12 <pfn> you mean roboguice?
Nov 12 01:29:18 <pfn> that was never a "google" project, per se
Nov 12 01:29:22 <Rager> *preferencefragment
Nov 12 01:29:23 <p_l> bankai_: doubtful - Guice is used in much "heavier" environments, and there's bunch of other stuff in that library
Nov 12 01:30:23 <g00s> p_l i saw this on HN today http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2013/11/11/why-you-should-never-use-mongodb/
Nov 12 01:31:01 <zezba9000> Rager: No i'm saying Android could have made better choices when it came to low level peaces of the Android stack... and worked with manufactuers to make it easier to update.  But at the same time the real reason is not with Android itself but the way the underlining structer Android was built around (aka a monitary system)... so anyway as I said before its going to come out all rambled when I can only iterate over very small peaces of my argument at a
Nov 12 01:31:01 <g00s> bankai_ i think the guy who worked on guice is now at Square :)
Nov 12 01:31:01 <zezba9000> time... it would require a long talk and I'm sry I didn't mean to go there.
Nov 12 01:31:38 <p_l> g00s: well, someone succintly wrote about how mongodb was kinda... fraud posing for (not in-memory) database so they'd built up money and either exit or make it into actual database ;)
Nov 12 01:31:56 <g00s> i havent used it
Nov 12 01:33:56 <p_l> anyway, Guice is much more than just the IOC library
Nov 12 01:34:24 <p_l> ahh, I mixed it up with guava
Nov 12 01:34:28 <p_l> shitty similar naming :P
Nov 12 01:35:33 <p_l> g00s: lol @ the fault tolerance example in the article you linked
Nov 12 01:35:45 <p_l> it's both fault tolerance and 2x speedup!
Nov 12 01:36:44 <p_l> and the romulans joke :D
Nov 12 01:40:39 <g00s> yey, kill -9 AndroidStudio
Nov 12 01:43:20 <p_l> ehhh
Nov 12 01:43:31 <p_l> the moment when you interrupt a system crash with an ordered shutdown ^^;
Nov 12 01:44:45 <g00s> keep running into the same few bugs; internal IDE errors - and what requires a kill : it shows a dialog on another desktop and neither windows accept focus
Nov 12 01:45:09 <g00s> could even be a swing issue
Nov 12 01:46:37 <bankai_> openjdk ?
Nov 12 01:47:01 <g00s> oracle
Nov 12 01:47:36 <g00s> 7u45
Nov 12 02:00:17 <jeaye> Using `setPreserveEGLContextOnPause`, is there any way I can determine if my context was preserved or not?
Nov 12 02:01:53 <zezba9000> jeaye: If that app crashes next time you try to use GLES ;p
Nov 12 02:02:40 <zezba9000> Isn't that feature only for Android3+ anyway?
Nov 12 02:03:23 <jeaye> API level 11
Nov 12 02:03:42 <jeaye> I need a better way to determine than checking for crash. :P
Nov 12 02:03:51 <zezba9000> Are you trying to target Android2.2+ ?
Nov 12 02:04:19 <ir7466> hi, quick question. I have ewighSum=3 on a linearlayout (horizontal), if I set 3 buttons to layout_weight=1 each, no problem - all equal width
Nov 12 02:04:22 <zezba9000> Because that feature does not work on Android2.2+ if I remember correctly
Nov 12 02:04:25 <jeaye> For simplicity, let's assume I'm only supporting API level 11+.
Nov 12 02:04:30 <ir7466> but what if I want the middle button to be bigger?
Nov 12 02:04:47 <ir7466> why can't i do weightsum=4, layout_weight=1,  layout_weight=2,  layout_weight=1 ?
Nov 12 02:05:15 <zezba9000> jeaye: Then you should not have to check... it should just work.
Nov 12 02:05:22 <canadiancow> ir7466, try it without weightsum
Nov 12 02:05:28 <canadiancow> i've never specified the sum - just the weights
Nov 12 02:06:18 <ir7466> canadiancow: in the graphical layout it doesn't look like that worked
Nov 12 02:06:22 <ir7466> if I do 1,1,1 - fine
Nov 12 02:06:27 <ir7466> but 1,2,1 doesn't work
Nov 12 02:06:36 <jeaye> zezba9000: Not quite. http://developer.android.com/reference/android/opengl/GLSurfaceView.html#setPreserveEGLContextOnPause%28boolean%29
Nov 12 02:06:39 <ir7466> it doesn't display the middle one
Nov 12 02:06:51 <jeaye> "Whether the EGL context is actually preserved or not depends upon whether the Android device that the program is running on can support an arbitrary number of EGL contexts or not. Devices that can only support a limited number of EGL contexts must release the EGL context in order to allow multiple applications to share the GPU. "
Nov 12 02:06:59 <ir7466> ahhh
Nov 12 02:07:04 <zezba9000> ya I miss spoke
Nov 12 02:07:05 <ir7466> it needs to be 2,1,2 ?
Nov 12 02:07:33 <canadiancow> that seems odd
Nov 12 02:08:05 <ir7466> i would have thought it would be like, 1 part this, 2 parts that, 1 part that
Nov 12 02:08:21 <zezba9000> jeaye: I'm guessing you use "glError" in some way
Nov 12 02:08:23 <ir7466> so for 1,2,1 - 1 os 25%, 2 is 50%
Nov 12 02:08:52 <zezba9000> If you use "glError" to check if something that should be true and it returns with an error recreate everything
Nov 12 02:10:01 <zezba9000> Although I personally recomend just making all your GLES objects backed by string file paths so you can just recreate the objects... like you must do with D3D9 on Windows ect...
Nov 12 02:14:01 <zezba9000> jeaye: Rly if you loose context you should consider the app quit.  If you hit the home button and not the back button your context is not lost
Nov 12 02:14:51 <zezba9000> In truth "setPreserveEGLContextOnPause" seems like a features not worth using.
Nov 12 02:17:49 <MrMeTooo> Cant figure out this dumb listview problem...sucks when you know its simple
Nov 12 02:18:59 <zezba9000> Wasn't the GoogleTV Android 4.3 update coming out this month?
Nov 12 02:22:11 <zezba9000> I guess I should have asked, has anybody gotten a GoogleTV Android 4.2+ update?  I'm wondering if there is any device besides the LG TV that has it.
Nov 12 02:23:23 <zezba9000> I tried developing for that a year ago, until I found out I couldn't use native code which both Xamarin and Unity are based on.
Nov 12 02:25:29 <s0beit> don't have one ;o
Nov 12 02:25:37 <s0beit> only article i found about it said 'later this year'
Nov 12 02:25:40 <g00s> what is googleTv :P
Nov 12 02:25:51 <s0beit> close to the end of the year, so i could assume you're right lol
Nov 12 02:26:50 <zezba9000> g00s: lol you know... the think Roku picked the slack on... at least is what there saying
Nov 12 02:27:15 <zezba9000> I rly want to try some stuff on one and see how well it does vs Ouya
Nov 12 02:27:22 <g00s> i saw my first 4k large screen TV the other day; it was so amazingly sharp - too sharp, my senses were saying it was fake. If i was where the camera was, no way my eyes would see all that so sharply
Nov 12 02:27:41 <g00s> but still cool :)
Nov 12 02:27:49 <MrMeTooo> I'm coding right now on XP sp1....yep i said it
Nov 12 02:28:08 <zezba9000> MrMeTooo: I have to ask why?
Nov 12 02:28:48 <zezba9000> MrMeTooo: I recomend PCLinuxOS vs WinXP :)
Nov 12 02:29:29 <zezba9000> g00s: Lucky I can't wait to watch Avatar on that :)
Nov 12 02:29:50 <MrMeTooo> <zezba9000> idk really
Nov 12 02:29:55 <s0beit> gonna ruin tv mood ->
Nov 12 02:30:15 <s0beit> have an annoying question that has been asked in many ways but I can't seem to apply it to my case, anyone know how to preserve fragment data (like asynctask data) when dealing with FragmentActivity and backStack and orientation changes... and app kills... all of the events that cause [me to have] crashes I guess
Nov 12 02:30:29 <zezba9000> Well some things I would love to see on a 4k TV... some things... who rly cares... but I love Avatar ;)
Nov 12 02:30:38 <s0beit> Application won't work, savedInstanceState is damn confusing (and certain events only fire on certain conditions, which makes it more confusing)
Nov 12 02:30:46 <s0beit> somebody telling me to use nested fragments now
Nov 12 02:30:50 <s0beit> much confuse
Nov 12 02:31:33 <g00s> one layer of fragments is confusing :)
Nov 12 02:31:42 <p_l> g00s: an interesting case in the article could be made that if you have non-trivial data in database, it might pay off to spend some time on the schema :>
Nov 12 02:31:58 <g00s> Recursive Confusion (TM)
Nov 12 02:32:06 <g00s> p_l :D
Nov 12 02:32:31 <s0beit> fragments were easier when i started, and i get the concept, but i do seriously wish android took care of all this death and rebirth of fragments/activity stuff
Nov 12 02:32:35 <s0beit> the most confusing part by far
Nov 12 02:32:38 <s0beit> ruined my whole day
Nov 12 02:32:39 <s0beit> lol
Nov 12 02:34:02 <s0beit> it's made more confusing in that there is many ways to do one thing, but they can be traps if your application isn't following the same flow as posted examples
Nov 12 02:34:35 <s0beit> like the person who suggested saving data to global application, which i only figured out wasn't going to work when i remembered that the fragments are stacked and don't have just one state lol
Nov 12 02:35:13 <g00s> Fragments were an early android hack attempt and making things easier for tablets
Nov 12 02:35:40 <g00s> i can see some OEM saying "hey google, we need android working on tablets" and goog think, what changes need to be made ...
Nov 12 02:35:44 <g00s> along comes fragments
Nov 12 02:35:45 <g00s> :)
Nov 12 02:36:07 <MrMeTooo> anyone ever been in a hackathon they look cool
Nov 12 02:36:32 <s0beit> i like the concept of fragments actually
Nov 12 02:37:49 <g00s> dianne probably whipped them up over breakfast on sunday morning
Nov 12 02:39:32 <g00s> i have no idea ;)
Nov 12 02:40:30 <s0beit> yeah... ;\ sometimes i wish the documentation was better, especially surrounding the data conservation stuff
Nov 12 02:40:40 <s0beit> I've had about 20 crashes and 2 rewrites for that
Nov 12 02:40:45 <s0beit> rest of my code was a breeze
Nov 12 02:40:59 <s0beit> now more googling and asking until i figure out how to do it not-stupidly
Nov 12 02:45:15 <zezba9000> Does Scala work well on Android?
Nov 12 02:47:17 <MrMeTooo> Can anyone tell me y my data is not being sent to my second Activity? http://pastebin.com/beBmwEde
Nov 12 02:47:55 <otiose> I'm having an issue I can't track down... I use webviews, although I think only 1 is loaded right now
Nov 12 02:48:37 <otiose> I'm getting a log tag "CallbackProxy" text "sendMessageToUiThreadSync Package=myPackage message=112" like... 20 times per second
Nov 12 02:48:57 <otiose> just a very very quick google search makes me think it might be some sort of webview-deadlock-race condition thing
Nov 12 02:49:08 <otiose> but that seems weird to me; anyone ever experience this?
Nov 12 02:50:19 <otiose> android 4.3, btw
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