**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 30 02:59:59 2013 Nov 30 03:00:01 Hello, can someone walk me through the process of porting 2 projects from Eclipse to Android Studio Nov 30 03:01:00 Real men do not use IDEs Nov 30 03:01:54 DarkSlay3r: IDEs are more comfortable. I can focus on programming more Nov 30 03:04:03 he's being facetious Nov 30 03:04:30 bankai_: I know Nov 30 03:04:57 AFAIK there's no real easy way, the setup is completely different Nov 30 03:05:02 esp as far as importing deps etc. Nov 30 03:06:12 ok, I am now going to export the projects from Eclipce Nov 30 03:09:33 Just copy and paste the code into classes hahaha - restructure it manually... Nov 30 03:09:41 Pain in the bum, but at least you know it will work I guess Nov 30 03:14:59 how does android typically handle big textures (say, 2048x2048) ? I know i had a problem once, but i dont know if it was device, OS version, gpu, etc specific Nov 30 03:16:22 NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Nov 30 03:17:06 this Android Studio piece of crap deleted ALLL my layout files Nov 30 03:17:15 EACH AND EVERY ONE Nov 30 03:17:45 revision history? Nov 30 03:18:14 last time I pushed it to Git, was 2 months ago Nov 30 03:18:22 AHA!!!! Nov 30 03:18:35 I FOUND THEM!!! Nov 30 03:18:58 yay for VCS Nov 30 03:19:04 It turns out I accidentally copied them into a separate folder Nov 30 03:19:16 a couple days agoe Nov 30 03:19:25 you know it keeps history, right ? Nov 30 03:19:57 bankai_: Like I said, I didnt check it in in the last 2 months Nov 30 03:20:12 it does it automatically Nov 30 03:20:51 I was in the process of copying over to Android Studio. I didn't actually start using it Nov 30 03:22:26 ok, I'm starting over. Nov 30 03:22:41 exporting 2 projects from Eclipse Nov 30 03:23:03 Done Nov 30 03:23:08 Closing Eclipse Nov 30 03:23:25 Opening Android Studio Nov 30 03:24:43 ok, clicking Import Projects Nov 30 03:25:50 so here, I need to select the build.gradle that is in the folder of one of my projects, correct? Nov 30 03:26:57 bankai_: right? Nov 30 03:27:46 i'll take that as a yes. Nov 30 03:27:47 nfi, i use IJ, still haven't got on the gradle band wagon Nov 30 03:28:01 ok Nov 30 03:29:40 Project is using an old version of the Android Gradle plug-in. The minimum supported version is 0.6.1. Please update the version of the dependency 'com.android.tools.build:gradle' in your build.gradle files. Nov 30 03:29:49 that is the error I get Nov 30 03:29:55 what do I do? Nov 30 03:30:06 it tells you Nov 30 03:33:16 Anyway I can invert Y axis on a canvas? Nov 30 03:39:00 bankai_: it is an android problem Nov 30 03:39:14 http://stackoverflow.com/a/19633915 Nov 30 03:39:22 finally! Nov 30 03:39:38 my projects are finally ported! Nov 30 03:39:49 YAHHHOOO! Nov 30 04:18:09 anyone see an example of RxJava & lazy loading a cursoradapter? basically, i have most of the data in the listview coming from the cursor, but one field (a status) which is async Nov 30 04:18:54 hey guys, I'm trying Complete Linux Installer on Android and I'm having an issue where I get a message saying connetion refused when I try connecting to the X server with the VNC app, can anyone help me out? Nov 30 04:19:28 Alpha-Omega see topic; thats doesn't seem like an app dev question Nov 30 04:19:39 g00s: ok Nov 30 04:27:20 Post-release refactoring/code-cleaning is like going out drinking and waking up the next morning with a blood-soaked bed and wondering aloud, "What the hell did I do?" Nov 30 04:27:28 Or at least it is for me. Nov 30 04:27:51 I'm not discussing the blood-soaked bed though. Nov 30 04:29:01 when its 2 years post release, its like "uh, time to start over :)" Nov 30 04:29:40 That too. Nov 30 04:30:09 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31892/Screenshots/7kaf.png ← A comparison of release and post-release-refactoring Nov 30 04:30:59 is that ST? Nov 30 04:31:08 Yes. Nov 30 05:13:33 http://developer.android.com/training/location/receive-location-updates.html Nov 30 05:13:58 Why is MainActivity extending FragmentActivity instead of Activity? Nov 30 05:14:26 i don't see any Fragments being used Nov 30 05:14:57 Note: To make your app compatible with platform version 1.6 and later, the activity that displays the DialogFragment must subclass FragmentActivity instead of Activity. Using FragmentActivity also allows you to call getSupportFragmentManager() to display the DialogFragment. Nov 30 05:15:42 shoky: i missed that, thank you Nov 30 05:16:43 so if I'm targeting API 14 and up, should I use Activity or FragmentActivity Nov 30 05:23:30 Activity Nov 30 05:49:29 what would be the best option for bookmarking in android apps Nov 30 05:49:54 would be three strings that would form a bookmark Nov 30 05:50:30 SQLite seems a bit overkill Nov 30 07:15:05 seems like android:background="@drawable/x" in xml, vs setBackground(getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.x) have different behavior, shouldn't those be exactly equivalent? Nov 30 07:28:12 mornin! Nov 30 07:28:19 o7 Nov 30 07:28:26 \o/ Nov 30 07:28:46 ( . Y . ) ? Nov 30 07:43:50 hey Nov 30 07:45:57 hey Nov 30 07:47:30 is it possible to detect if the main menu (the one with icons for every app) is being shown? Nov 30 07:47:51 It's surprisingly easy to implement trailing conditionals in Scala. Also probably bad. Nov 30 07:49:24 <_genuser_> if I want to draw a line in a layout, what's the best UI item to use? Nov 30 07:57:16 And `1 + 2 onlyIf true otherwise 4` now works. Now to never actually use this. Nov 30 08:51:29 hi Nov 30 08:57:43 hi Nov 30 09:01:56 is there anyone who can help me a little bit with my kernel-building ? Nov 30 09:06:29 hmm Nov 30 09:06:40 looks like I#m way to early to get help ^^ Nov 30 09:06:51 I try it in the afternoon Nov 30 09:06:52 bye Nov 30 09:11:57 hello robots Nov 30 09:13:01 <^cheeky> hiya !!! Nov 30 09:13:09 :D Nov 30 09:13:13 <^cheeky> :P Nov 30 09:15:52 anyone know other similar tools like androidbootstrap.com that can speed up development process? Nov 30 09:18:01 I've heard some say it's not that great, but as a beginner it seems like gold Nov 30 09:18:30 stuff like google cloud endpoints, etc Nov 30 09:23:13 Hi. Nov 30 09:23:22 hello Nov 30 09:23:27 Why have I never bought bitcoins Nov 30 09:23:42 i keep asking myself the same question lately Nov 30 09:24:26 Like Nov 30 09:24:29 why didn't i turn my apartment into a huge mining operation when i learned about it Nov 30 09:24:29 I could have made hundreds of dollars Nov 30 09:24:32 in several weeks Nov 30 09:24:48 i guess it's cause I don't have enough capital as a college student to invest so heavily Nov 30 09:24:49 :S Nov 30 09:25:28 my roommate had glitch in electric bill, perfect to cool down house full of servers lol Nov 30 09:26:07 Lol, we get free heating basically cause we are the top floor Nov 30 09:26:08 :P Nov 30 09:26:22 haha Nov 30 09:26:27 warm climate here Nov 30 09:26:42 was talking about stocks with my non-technical brother, and told him he should speculate in bitcoins Nov 30 09:27:21 i found out how hard it is to explain what bitcoin actually is Nov 30 09:27:54 magic internet monies Nov 30 09:27:57 mostly when people don't understand why it's even a needed concept Nov 30 09:27:59 LOL Nov 30 09:28:11 saw TC report on bitcoins.com Nov 30 09:28:50 Security is hard Nov 30 09:28:57 thats why I juse use Google auth services Nov 30 09:28:58 :D Nov 30 09:29:16 haha Nov 30 09:29:19 valgrind: Go away, this is Java. Nov 30 09:29:59 I'm building out a custom backend for this project I'm working on, including a user management system. It's a lot of work on small details, but it's so sexy Nov 30 09:31:16 conjunction junction what's the user managements function? Nov 30 09:32:50 translation: what's so sexy about it? Nov 30 09:32:56 Solike, I'm building a Trivia database management system for this Trivia game I'm building out as a project. But first I'm building a content creation system where people can login to work on questsions Nov 30 09:33:10 so there are several types of accounts, the content creators, who login and create questions Nov 30 09:33:24 the content editors, who log in and see a queue of questions to moderate and approve/disapprove Nov 30 09:33:31 and admins to administrate it all Nov 30 09:33:32 :D Nov 30 09:33:34 all custom Nov 30 09:33:45 omg i was thinking about building a trivia app today Nov 30 09:34:03 but wow that's a lot cooler than what i was thinking Nov 30 09:34:17 It's actually on github, if you wanna look. There isn't much up yet. Nov 30 09:34:27 https://github.com/bedoherty/TriviaGame Nov 30 09:34:28 i'm a beginner, but yeah definitely :D Nov 30 09:34:55 i was thinking about a trivia with friends kind of version Nov 30 09:35:14 This is a trivia game for the Chromecast Nov 30 09:35:21 if they don't have that already, it was really just a passing thought. haven't researched it Nov 30 09:35:33 nice Nov 30 09:35:34 the idea is that you have the game on a TV, whether its at your house, a bar, sports, game, you get the idea Nov 30 09:35:39 and then everyone gets to play with their phones Nov 30 09:35:39 :D Nov 30 09:35:51 omg Nov 30 09:35:59 i don't know much about chromecast Nov 30 09:36:19 wow you should make a drinking game version as well :D Nov 30 09:36:33 lol Nov 30 09:37:23 <^cheeky> drinking game version is must :P Nov 30 09:37:27 haha Nov 30 09:37:53 There willbe much drinking done by the time this project is over Nov 30 09:38:04 and much more drinking in like 9 days, once I'm 21 Nov 30 09:38:59 also finding some non-invasive way to rate the questions, and adding incentive Nov 30 09:39:53 So like, the idea is the game would be free, but I could offer like trivia packs, so let's say you really like Doctor Who, you can buy a $0.99 expansion that adds a category for Doctor Who questions Nov 30 09:40:28 i want to have your babies Nov 30 09:40:38 lol Nov 30 09:40:39 jk loving the idea though Nov 30 09:41:26 <^cheeky> DO IT Nov 30 09:41:31 <^cheeky> dr Who ++ Nov 30 09:41:51 I've been toying with the idea in my head for like a few months Nov 30 09:41:54 <^cheeky> this would have to use GCM yah ... Nov 30 09:41:58 several months actually now Nov 30 09:42:00 <^cheeky> i am n000bB00b Nov 30 09:42:07 I just started working on it like, 3 days ago lol Nov 30 09:42:15 trivia content creators will be hard to come by, but adding game aspects/leaderboards Nov 30 09:42:23 I'm working out a prototype game, gonna get my friend to design assets Nov 30 09:42:24 it's like a game within a game Nov 30 09:42:40 then once I have a displayable product, I might try to get some sort of investment maybe Nov 30 09:42:43 or put it on campus bars Nov 30 09:44:15 does anyone know if SensorManager calls are thread safe? I'm assuming they have to be but I can't find any confirmation Nov 30 09:50:41 fiddling with some combination of time to answer, wrong-to-right answers, user based input, and other input you could probably come up with a pretty awesome ranking system Nov 30 09:52:15 Yeah, it's a simple concept at the core, so it allows for a lot of fun decision making on the design and implentation Nov 30 09:52:23 which is why I wanted to make this Nov 30 09:52:56 maybe give content creators trivia currency they can use to buy the expansions Nov 30 09:55:31 what I like most about the idea is the possibility for hyper personalized or inside joke type questions. Nov 30 10:00:37 what's new name for ia32-libs on ubuntu 13.10? Nov 30 10:04:26 hey, is there a way to ask for extra permissions after an app is installed? Nov 30 10:04:50 like can I write an app which does not require Contacts or Location permission but then later ask the user if they want to approve it? Nov 30 10:06:26 groups of close friends/communities/companies could make trivia sets relevant only to people in said group. Allowing for a more emotional/hilarious connection to questions. "Who showed up hungover to the business meeting then puked in the conference room?" OMG ALEX YOU'RE CLASS ACT Nov 30 10:06:43 i think on updates but what would i know Nov 30 10:09:29 For Ubuntu 13.1 ia32-libs is not available anymore. So, you can try this one: Nov 30 10:09:29 sudo apt-get install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32stdc++6 Nov 30 10:10:06 thats from stackoverflow but has no upvotes Nov 30 10:11:51 Swag, adding new users works Nov 30 10:13:43 damn now you made me want to make a trivia game lol :( Nov 30 10:15:42 if you want some help on it let me know Nov 30 10:17:22 crappy programmer, mediocre designer, but an expert online marketer/advertiser Nov 30 10:18:02 i am running lint in my project and i see the following message: has more than 80 views, bad for performance Nov 30 10:19:07 this layout is tablelayout with 240 textview inside (24rowsx10col) Nov 30 10:19:34 is there any way to implement this table? Nov 30 10:19:46 well is the performance actually poor? Nov 30 10:20:09 does it work as you have designed it? no problems? If so, ignore what it says. Nov 30 10:21:05 not really but the user in an old phone can see it Nov 30 10:21:36 it works good but i also want to achieve good user experience Nov 30 10:21:56 if there isn't any other way to implement this i will not change it Nov 30 10:22:10 but that's why i am asking Nov 30 10:22:47 if i use merge in reusable textviews will i see any difference? Nov 30 10:23:29 <^cheeky> ahh for the life of me i cant seem to get this to work :/ Nov 30 10:28:32 <^cheeky> hmmm strange .. been on 4.4 on my N4 .. i just charged it after letting it die completely and waited a few hours before i, charged it. picked it up .. the batts indicator showed it was fully charged turned it on .. and it says its only 87 % ;/ Nov 30 10:28:49 im having same issue Nov 30 10:28:54 on atrix Nov 30 10:29:05 and it literally won't charge higher than 86% Nov 30 10:29:27 and then will randomly drop to 15% at times Nov 30 10:29:36 hey, is there a way to ask for extra permissions after an app is installed? like can I write an app which does not require Contacts or Location permission but then later ask the user if they want to approve it? Nov 30 10:30:13 <^cheeky> once i move ill try to install the N5 image on my n4 if thats poissible .. it looks so much nicer than what i got OTC Nov 30 10:30:53 then again i'm using experimental CM build, and it's only 4.2 Nov 30 10:31:14 <^cheeky> yeah i havent done anything.. Nov 30 10:31:54 nesoi, it seems like that would open up a lot of possibilities for tom foolery Nov 30 10:32:29 keep in mind I don't know for sure, but the google operates I don't think they would allow it Nov 30 10:32:35 the way* Nov 30 10:32:43 Eeeeeee : IOS does it and it seems to work just fine. My question is not "is it a good idea" but "can it be done"? Nov 30 10:34:48 And admins can now approve users. w00t Nov 30 10:34:56 now just need to add a form for people to request permissions Nov 30 10:34:57 :D Nov 30 10:35:43 nsoi: as required permissions are declared in the manifest file, and i've never seen an app request additional permissions my conclusion would be that it can't be done Nov 30 10:36:02 users are accustomed to only having to approve permissions in the play store, and moving that process into an app would take away a degree of control from google Nov 30 10:37:30 and i can think of a million ways people could dupe users if that were possible Nov 30 10:38:15 again Eeeeeee IOS does it and it works just fine. Better than Android's default behavior, I'd argue Nov 30 10:39:31 Listen I'm a newb, but I could definitely argue why it benefits Google to not have such a feature Nov 30 10:40:28 I've never used iOS, so I can't attest to whether or not it's a good function for that platform Nov 30 10:40:35 All I want is android.permission.BRICK Nov 30 10:40:36 nesoi: personally, i would be much happier as a user knowing from the outset what permissions an app requires. there are times, i'll grant you, that optional permissions would be useful, but i can't think of any time i'd prefer an app to keep it from me until it actially needed it Nov 30 10:40:56 whats your reasoning behind wanting to request some permissions later if you dont mind me asking? Nov 30 10:41:02 the point is, you wouldn't 'need' it. it would be required only for some certain features Nov 30 10:42:59 I like the transparent policy of some app makers that request all needed permissions, and then have a brief explanation of why they need the extra permissions Nov 30 10:44:27 Hey. Nov 30 10:46:03 and honestly when some apps request too many permissions and don't provide an explanation for why (if it's not logical), I have no problems with moving on to their competitors that have less features Nov 30 10:46:59 and do it quite frequently Nov 30 10:48:01 <^cheeky> if some one can help me ... i would really really appreciate it and iam kinda desperate, coz i am having a hard time trying to acheive this, .. i have a viewpager, and in the i have a button in the action bar, when i press it i want the to push up the bottom action bar and show a list view, does anyone know the name of the pattern so i can google it perhaps ? Nov 30 10:50:20 what's an example app that uses that pattern Nov 30 10:51:16 <^cheeky> FlikR app Nov 30 10:52:55 <^cheeky> umm the bottom action bar, would be a sticky .. and the crazy thing is the bottom that moves up pushing the image is an expandable list view Nov 30 10:54:51 Where do you guys get ideas for apps? Nov 30 10:56:36 <^cheeky> i just look @ apps that are similar, or google search or the native apps itself Nov 30 10:56:36 I steal them from this guy named Brian|CS whenever he talks about his projects Nov 30 10:56:46 Lol Nov 30 10:56:51 :D Nov 30 10:57:01 See, I come up with far more ideas than I have time to see to completion Nov 30 10:57:09 so most of the time, I share with the hope someone will steal it Nov 30 10:57:10 lol Nov 30 10:57:13 don't we all Nov 30 10:57:19 <^cheeky> i tried using , slidepane layout but the bloody thing doesnt slide up from the bottom .. Nov 30 10:57:20 hhahaha Nov 30 10:58:12 <^cheeky> viewpager with each item inthe pager being an expandable list with the top being a image view and the bottom being a listview with explaindable listview in them ?lol Nov 30 10:59:47 I feel my workpower is being unused :( Nov 30 11:00:21 autrilla this might not be a good idea for attempting to find profitable app ideas, but take ideas/subjects that you're already passionate/knowledgeable about and ask yourself how it could benefit other people Nov 30 11:00:41 Eeeeeee, it doesn't need to be profitable :) Nov 30 11:00:53 Most of my ideas are not doable Nov 30 11:01:01 Yeah, I do most of the things I make for shits and giggles Nov 30 11:01:08 what are you passionate/knowledgeable about Nov 30 11:02:46 here's an example i saw of this recently: a skateboarder created this app that helps people decide what tricks they should do when playing skate (which is the skateboard version of the basketball game horse) Nov 30 11:04:13 hes probably better at skateboarding than app making because it had bad reviews, but it was inspiring because only a real skater would have that app idea Nov 30 11:07:33 i think there's something like 10m skaters in the US, and he had 100K installs which isn't bad considering a much smaller percentage play skate regularly enough to want an app for it. Also considering the bad app ratings Nov 30 11:09:11 Eeeeeee, I like the stock exchange Nov 30 11:09:17 However, you have to pay to get data Nov 30 11:09:21 lol Nov 30 11:09:39 that one might be tapped out. what do you like about the stock exchange Nov 30 11:09:55 the stock exchange Nov 30 11:10:01 Eeeeeee, earning money Nov 30 11:10:07 Mostly Nov 30 11:10:07 lol Nov 30 11:10:20 interesting concept i'll have to research this thing you speak of Nov 30 11:11:27 i ask because that's a huge subject with a lot of apps that will do it better, faster and with data then you'll have access to Nov 30 11:11:42 more data* Nov 30 11:11:59 so you really have to niche down into the subject Nov 30 11:12:20 to find a unique concept that people will find useful Nov 30 11:14:52 they have a couple web apps where people invest fake money to get better at trading Nov 30 11:15:43 I haven't looked but you might check if there are any existing apps that are similar Nov 30 11:18:21 find something that the big boys would never touch... this is a good example because they typically follow the money. not much money to be made in a fake stock exchange. Nov 30 11:18:48 but it is a learning product, and there's big money in those. Nov 30 11:29:45 I enjoy quotes from famous thought leaders, so I'm making a quote app. There's already one that has every feature, great ratings, and has stood the test of time. Though it's design is horrid, it's not optimized for tablets, and it's quote selection is rather limited. You don't always have to come up with something revolutionary. Just do it better than any of the current products available. Facebook their myspace :P Nov 30 11:33:23 If it never becomes as popular as other apps it won't matter because its something I'm passionate about. Nov 30 12:17:22 Remember to include a lot of steve jobs quotes Nov 30 12:18:08 xD Nov 30 12:18:14 in android dev? Nov 30 12:46:14 alankila oh you know it!! gonna release separate version(s) dedicated to startups, tech founders/ceos, and programmers Nov 30 12:47:56 speaking of that.. does Google have issues with reusing code in that fashion to target different search terms/users? Nov 30 12:50:30 alankila pushing around 140 steve jobs quotes atm :D Nov 30 13:09:17 hello Nov 30 13:10:06 <^cheeky> Eeeeeee: hey ., not that it matters to you lol , but i charged the phone back again .. seems to have charged 100 % Nov 30 13:11:12 I'm totaly new to android-dev, could someone please help me with problem I'm suck with? Nov 30 13:11:25 I got this code from AndroidQuery page http://pastebin.com/8N4z8JXd Nov 30 13:12:06 It should get callback and set the image, but it just doesn't work. It calls the function, but cant see the image Nov 30 13:12:19 I can see the image if i remove callback Nov 30 13:13:56 If I look at callback function I'm owervriting then there is a whole lot more going on, but examples in android-query page tell me that this should work as it is Nov 30 13:14:04 I'm confused Nov 30 13:16:17 <^cheeky> i have no idea what android-query is.. but callbacks or interfaces, should be registered in the hosting activity, specifically onAttach and null it onDetatch(), but i am on the same boat as you Nov 30 13:16:23 ^cheeky weird, i swear the problems are related somehow regardless of differing versions. the 86-87% is just too coincidental Nov 30 13:17:06 <^cheeky> well i was watching adb while it was plugged in , and i saw some optimizations failing and what not Nov 30 13:17:34 did you do anything that made it charge like normal? Are you using 4.4 that came with device or is it a mod Nov 30 13:18:25 <^cheeky> blah i hop once i drain it will do a full charge, and also this might be a minute detail that prolly wouldnt have an impact what was your power source, wall, cpu , car charger and was it he original mini usb cable ? Nov 30 13:18:36 <^cheeky> no mods Nov 30 13:18:47 er nah you're right Nov 30 13:18:52 it was a kindle cord Nov 30 13:18:57 i have long lost the original Nov 30 13:19:15 <^cheeky> just got the update yesterday, even though i did not get a notification i had to go to updates and check and BAM! it gave me the update :/ Nov 30 13:19:26 i also have the problem if phone is really dead it won't charge when hooked up to computer Nov 30 13:19:34 lol Nov 30 13:19:47 <^cheeky> honestly i should invest in one them what you call it, ... Nov 30 13:19:49 <^cheeky> crap Nov 30 13:19:54 <^cheeky> wireless chargers Nov 30 13:20:48 even more battery problems, last night it showed blank battery with question mark in it.. apparently the fix whipping the metal connectors and pressing on them lol Nov 30 13:20:51 <^cheeky> saw some cheap on amazon, this mini usb cable is crappy , i lost my first n4 coz of that .. good thing it under the warranty period Nov 30 13:20:56 wireless chargers don't charge as well as cables Nov 30 13:21:13 <^cheeky> daam Nov 30 13:21:43 <^cheeky> but i dunno the, using the cables .. wear and tear on the mini usb cable .. Nov 30 13:21:45 <^cheeky> what ever Nov 30 13:22:14 I have a half dozen small mini usb cables.. they're cheap at amazon Nov 30 13:22:24 break one, grab another Nov 30 13:22:26 the technology has been around for 100 years, yet we're only getting around to trying to refine it. to charge our toys. how sad lol Nov 30 13:22:40 <^cheeky> naah the mini isn [port Nov 30 13:22:51 <^cheeky> usb Nov 30 13:23:01 <^cheeky> inside the phone gets bent Nov 30 13:23:18 that's just shit design Nov 30 13:23:22 they're all cross compatible, but i swear i hear more and more about not using cords from other products Nov 30 13:23:25 <^cheeky> :/ Nov 30 13:23:56 my galaxy nexus has been dropped on the cable multiple times.. it's solid as hell, just bends the cable Nov 30 13:24:36 how are you breaking cables Nov 30 13:25:12 sounds like some intense testing hah. i think i still have every single microusb cable i've ever come across Nov 30 13:25:24 <^cheeky> i dont break the cables... Nov 30 13:25:26 <^cheeky> lol Nov 30 13:25:33 it's the connector on the cable Nov 30 13:25:46 when you drop two things that are that flimsily connected, something's gotta give Nov 30 13:25:49 ahh gotcha Nov 30 13:25:53 it's either the phone, or the cable Nov 30 13:26:14 now that you mention it i have had problems before with a connector shorting Nov 30 13:28:44 <^cheeky> i dunno if i am implementing this right .. like i have one activity .. well two .. but this one Activity .. which uses the navigation drawer, i just swap out and reuse my fragments ALOT ... :/ Nov 30 13:28:46 ordered a nexus 7 1st gen from groupon for 120.. they're telling me it's gonna take 2 1/2 weeks for delivery. having some serious buyers remorse Nov 30 13:29:34 <^cheeky> oh dude Nov 30 13:29:36 kicking myself for being a cheapskate Nov 30 13:29:44 <^cheeky> i dont want be the messenger of bad news, Nov 30 13:29:48 fml Nov 30 13:29:50 :( Nov 30 13:29:51 What's wrong with it? Nov 30 13:30:25 they're made to order and ship from china? that's the only thing i can come up with for such a huge delay Nov 30 13:30:28 Needs an expert advice here :) Nov 30 13:30:29 <^cheeky> the bussiness model is freaking annoying ... and i have has crazy freaking experiences with them .. in the end they couldnt give me the product refunded the money and have me 10 dollars groupon to some service .. Nov 30 13:30:34 I'm using this adapter : https://code.google.com/p/seker-common/source/browse/trunk/android/kaeppler-droid-fu-c48e07e/src/com/github/droidfu/adapters/ListAdapterWithProgress.java?r=23&spec=svn41 Nov 30 13:30:42 for loading remote data. Nov 30 13:30:44 <^cheeky> annoying @ least to the consumer Nov 30 13:31:16 It somehow disabled the items in the list when not-loading data. But perfectly fine when loading data. Nov 30 13:31:23 *disables Nov 30 13:31:35 they had a class action lawsuit that i got an email about, felt bad about praising the company too early on Nov 30 13:32:16 I'm not familiar with the site, but it seems like a common model. Nov 30 13:32:24 Longish delays when ordering things for cheap(er). Nov 30 13:32:47 Speaking of which, any suggestions for where to buy cheap used v2.3.3+ phones? Nov 30 13:33:00 A more readable version is here : https://gist.github.com/subinsebastien/7719148 Nov 30 13:33:20 Have anyone here used this adapter code by Kaepler? Nov 30 13:33:44 Not me. Nov 30 13:34:22 v2.3.3, I bet you can find some one ebay.com :) Nov 30 13:34:29 ZiNC: ^^ Nov 30 13:34:30 Not cheap enough. :) Nov 30 13:34:49 Maybe with luck. Nov 30 13:35:07 ZiNC: hmm, but you get fresh ones. Why buy used? Nov 30 13:35:08 did the same thing with locket, the app that pays you to display ads on your homescreen. started telling everyone it's the future of mobile advertising... praising it's existence. then started using the app and it force closed every unlock. contacted the company only to realize they were in over their heads. Nov 30 13:35:18 napster: To save money? Nov 30 13:35:52 ZiNC: What if it stops working after a while due to the rough use in the past? :) Nov 30 13:36:17 napster: It won't see tough usage from me. If it works on arrival I expect it will continue working with high probability. Like any other device. Nov 30 13:36:21 rough Nov 30 13:36:36 hmm, agreed Nov 30 13:36:41 yeah i'm sure they'll be using my money for 2 1/2 weeks, while i do it right this and spend the extra $20-30 to get it in time for bday Nov 30 13:36:47 But really, what good new 2.3.3-2.3.6 devices can you find new for reasonable price? Nov 30 13:36:50 time* Nov 30 13:38:10 Does anyone here target API level <=9? Nov 30 13:38:35 ZiNC: Me, 8 Nov 30 13:38:40 Why? Nov 30 13:38:56 I mean, because you don't really need more than that, Nov 30 13:38:56 some users are still on 2.3x I suppose Nov 30 13:39:02 napster, sure you know this but they merged droid fu into some other project.. might have an updated version of what you're looking for Nov 30 13:39:04 etc. Nov 30 13:39:21 Eeeeeee: I see Nov 30 13:39:26 napster: 8 is 2.2 Nov 30 13:39:28 starts with an e Nov 30 13:39:46 er i Nov 30 13:39:47 ZiNC: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html Nov 30 13:39:49 ignition Nov 30 13:39:53 https://github.com/mttkay/ignition Nov 30 13:40:19 they seems to have dropped iginition as well Eeeeeee Nov 30 13:40:32 rly? Nov 30 13:40:42 er 10 months whoops Nov 30 13:40:55 yep Nov 30 13:41:03 honestly i'm the biggest newb in this chatroom Nov 30 13:41:06 napster: Yeah, not much on 2.2. From stats on the web I think API level 9 isn't that common as well. Nov 30 13:41:11 probably shouldn't listen to a word i say lol Nov 30 13:41:55 ZiNC: yeah, one reason is that 9 was not popular. From the beginning, I targeted from 8 to _latest_ Nov 30 13:42:08 Eeeeeee: never mind :) Nov 30 13:42:31 i was using 2.2 until some savior released experimental 4.2/4.3 build for atrix Nov 30 13:43:03 Most users would only use stock firmware. Nov 30 13:43:10 I.e., manufacturer-provided. Nov 30 13:44:15 I think the best think you can do is, get a good resolution phone with 2.2 and develop everything for that phone and test thoroughly on that. Nov 30 13:44:20 ya and with 2 yr contracts being so prevalent i'm sure 2.2 won't be used much longer Nov 30 13:44:56 I'd go with API v10. Nov 30 13:45:23 v10 makes the most sense I think Nov 30 13:45:33 saw an article the other day where guy was saying 12 and higher, and just saying to hell with lower versions Nov 30 13:45:34 About two months ago, API-8 had 2.4% users. Nov 30 13:45:50 but obviously that's not viable for real apps Nov 30 13:45:52 Yes, v-10 is perfect from now on. Nov 30 13:47:26 <^cheeky> :/ Nov 30 13:47:29 I don't get the lack of Bluetooth support in the emulator. Nov 30 13:48:07 A strange omission for a platform that's well established for a few years. Nov 30 13:48:12 <^cheeky> can anyone pleas tell me what i could use . product name or type that i could mount my phone to record my drive Nov 30 13:48:15 I think I should post my issue on StackOverflow Nov 30 13:48:15 what did they think nobody would be developing on laptops? Nov 30 13:48:24 or desktops with bt cards Nov 30 13:48:35 Laptops? Why? Nov 30 13:48:40 More like, no one would develop for Bluetooth. Nov 30 13:49:12 I think even the Sun WTK emulator has Bluetooth support, and you can't even call it a real emulator. Nov 30 13:49:14 wouldn't it use the computers bluetooth Nov 30 13:49:29 Well, that'd be nice an extra, Nov 30 13:49:40 but I'd be happy mainly with emulator -> emulator BT comm. Nov 30 13:49:41 most laptops come with bluetooth support Nov 30 13:49:57 do you guys use the default emulator? Nov 30 13:50:00 Two instances would be ideal for testing even before real devices. Nov 30 13:50:01 Hi, I have my whole project set to the ligh version of the correct theme (e.g Theme.Black for 2.x and Theme.Holo for 3.x and Theme.DeviceDefault for 4.x), but I want to use the Light versions of those themes for two textfields. How can I do that? Nov 30 13:50:07 Default in what way? Nov 30 13:50:24 or is genymotion type emulators widely used Nov 30 13:50:37 default as in the clunky one that ships with android studio Nov 30 13:50:45 Eeeeeee: I use genymotion, but I think the 'defaukt' emulator is 'still' the most common one Nov 30 13:50:48 default* Nov 30 13:50:51 wow Nov 30 13:50:57 Genymotion is good, but it takes a hell lot of space on my working PC Nov 30 13:51:33 it takes disk space, of which i got plenty :) The good thing is that is had virtualbox's awesome performance Nov 30 13:51:45 does have* Nov 30 13:51:58 No Bluetooths support there, right? Nov 30 13:51:59 was forced to use the "default" emulator the other day, and i didn't know why I used it for as long as I did Nov 30 13:51:59 -s Nov 30 13:52:13 ZiNC: you could try bridging a usb BT device trough virtualbox Nov 30 13:52:19 I know. Nov 30 13:52:21 but I don't know if that would actually work Nov 30 13:52:24 But that's not ideal for me. Nov 30 13:52:29 I think BT works fine, geny is vbox basically Nov 30 13:52:42 it doesnt support bluetooth still i don't believe Nov 30 13:52:43 What I read suggests Android x86 on VM can use that. Nov 30 13:53:00 Again, best to work with actual devices :) Nov 30 13:53:13 btw what's the big benefit Nov 30 13:53:18 What would be the best way to keep a service alive as long as it has bound activities when dealing with an orientation change Nov 30 13:53:19 do the apps not behave the same? Nov 30 13:53:34 They probably do. Nov 30 13:53:42 i mean i've tested on both, but haven't done it long enough to notice subtle differences Nov 30 13:53:43 you can actually change the phone's 'hardware' settings trough the vbox gui (I lowered the amount of ram used for most of my Genymotion devices, because running two tablets which each claim 2gb of ram on a 4gh ram host machine is... painful) Nov 30 13:54:18 guys any other channels for porting apart from android-root Nov 30 13:54:20 Also, it's possible (quite easy) to install Google Apps on Genymotion devices, which means that I can test my Maps Api app there Nov 30 13:54:50 i've been having weirds bug since updating to genymotion 2.2 Nov 30 13:55:33 BTW, any preferred phone manufacturers for dev? Nov 30 13:55:44 wondered the same Nov 30 13:55:59 ZiNC: the nexus devices Nov 30 13:56:04 Why? Nov 30 13:56:06 and then one from each large vendor Nov 30 13:56:11