**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 10 02:59:59 2014
Jan 10 03:09:48 <ultra-> do the emulators give me a fair representation of what my app would actually look like?  mostly regarding text size
Jan 10 03:10:12 <zinx> they can, but you should generally not be depending on a particular text size.
Jan 10 03:13:17 <ultra-> well, my interface is completely custom and i'm trying to match it up to how the ipad version of my app looks
Jan 10 03:13:30 <ultra-> i'm not sure if that changes things
Jan 10 03:13:48 <zinx> yes
Jan 10 03:13:58 <zinx> you should also not try to match it to the ipad version
Jan 10 03:14:17 <zinx> Android has an actual layout system
Jan 10 03:14:28 <ultra-> it's not applicable to my app
Jan 10 03:14:28 <zinx> devices are not all exactly the same size
Jan 10 03:14:37 <ultra-> yeah, but the layout is all defined based on screen size
Jan 10 03:14:39 <zinx> and do not all have exactly the same size fonts, etc
Jan 10 03:15:17 <ultra-> http://www.sub-version.net
Jan 10 03:15:27 <ultra-> that grid adapts to whatever screen size
Jan 10 03:15:48 <ultra-> there can be any number of buttons but they scroll in various ways
Jan 10 03:16:28 <ultra-> so laying out everyting manually has been working well for me, but the font size on a nexus 10 emulator looks nothing like a physical nexus 7... way smaller on the 10
Jan 10 03:20:58 <windwaker> If I'm using the action bar for navigation, should I be using fragments or is it okay to use a different activity for each page
Jan 10 03:24:43 <bankai_> windwaker: fragments should be used for all the same 'type' of content
Jan 10 03:24:57 <windwaker> what's the benefit to doing that
Jan 10 03:29:52 <windwaker> bankai_ ^
Jan 10 03:30:53 <ailaviu> hello, anyone online?
Jan 10 03:30:59 <ultra-> nobody at all :)
Jan 10 03:31:09 <ailaviu> err
Jan 10 03:31:29 <windwaker> ./who
Jan 10 03:31:37 <ailaviu> /who ?
Jan 10 03:32:07 <windwaker> you.
Jan 10 03:32:22 <ailaviu> i came here for placing a question, dun know if here is the correct place or if this is my 'lucky day' :D
Jan 10 03:32:31 <ailaviu> but, I gonna shooot
Jan 10 03:32:45 <windwaker> first rule of irc, don't ask to ask
Jan 10 03:33:44 <ailaviu> I have a 2nd phone that I dont use it, so I found an application that allows me to connect on irc, good.. my Question is if there's an application for android as bouncer (psybnc)
Jan 10 03:34:21 <ailaviu> I can keep ON that phone and connected to my wireless network, would be great to use it as bouncer :P
Jan 10 03:34:42 <ailaviu> I did look on google for such thing but .. no succes :\
Jan 10 03:40:12 <windwaker> ailaviu: why would you want a bouncer running on your phone. I would look into something like ZNC http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
Jan 10 03:41:12 <windwaker> you can VPSs for like 5 bucks a month if you need to
Jan 10 03:41:57 <ailaviu> since I have this phone and not using it.. :) I do prefer to have my own service, hehe
Jan 10 03:44:08 <windwaker> ailaviu: can you write java?
Jan 10 03:44:23 <g00s> i think there is a quassel client for android
Jan 10 03:44:32 <ailaviu> hm, im not good at that
Jan 10 03:44:32 <ailaviu> :\
Jan 10 03:45:18 <windwaker> client != bouncer g00s
Jan 10 03:45:36 <g00s> right, but you could use quassel core somewhere lese
Jan 10 03:45:40 <g00s> *else
Jan 10 03:45:59 <XXCoder> quessel run in only 12 parascs ;)
Jan 10 03:46:02 <g00s> wherever you would run your bouncer
Jan 10 03:46:04 <XXCoder> or was it 22
Jan 10 03:46:48 <XXCoder> ah 18-parsec route
Jan 10 03:47:58 <ailaviu> huh
Jan 10 03:48:18 <ailaviu> I'm only a noob person who does just Install/uninstall
Jan 10 03:48:19 <ailaviu> :)))
Jan 10 03:48:53 <XXCoder> heh was joking because quassel was almost spelled kessel - as in star wars kessel run in 18-parsec
Jan 10 03:52:31 <ailaviu> so.. it's an imposible mission
Jan 10 03:52:33 <ailaviu> :D
Jan 10 03:52:36 * ailaviu -_-'
Jan 10 03:57:54 <Baluse> Hello dudes
Jan 10 03:58:17 <ailaviu> hi
Jan 10 03:58:18 <Baluse> Is it bad practice to keep a retrofit service instance  at application  class  ?
Jan 10 03:58:40 <Baluse> and be created again on application create
Jan 10 04:13:29 <JakeWharton> Baluse: no
Jan 10 04:23:20 <Baluse> hehe now I feel safe to use it
Jan 10 04:23:42 <wilornel> Hey guys! I'm trying to "mSensorManager.unregisterListener(mSensorEventListener);". I have a service which creates a thread (along with a Handler) in which I registerListener and in which I have a sensorEventListener. If I want to unregisterListener, do I have to do it from inside the sensorEventListener, from inside the new thead, or from the service? Or, it does not matter at all?
Jan 10 04:24:27 <Baluse> JakeWharton I know its your library , so using ((MyApp) getApplication()).getService() is okay ?
Jan 10 04:26:10 <Baluse> wilornel do not know but why registering outside the thead ? it wont run ?
Jan 10 04:26:34 <wilornel> I'm doing registerListener inside the new thread
Jan 10 04:26:51 <wilornel> It's because I don't want the calculations to be slowing down the main thread
Jan 10 04:27:12 <wilornel> Now, where from do I need to unregisterListener ?
Jan 10 04:27:37 <Baluse> I dont know , but I guess it could be from anywhere since you have da instance....
Jan 10 04:28:14 <wilornel> Baluse: That's what I thought.
Jan 10 04:28:41 <wilornel> The real problem is that even though I unregisterListener, my onSensorChanged is still being called inside SensorEventListener...
Jan 10 04:30:39 <wilornel> There are many submissions on StackOverflow about unregisterListener not working, but none of them has a correct answer
Jan 10 04:32:46 <Baluse> hm
Jan 10 04:33:16 <Baluse> could it be wrong instance or whatever ?
Jan 10 04:33:31 <Baluse> i recall I had simillar problem once
Jan 10 04:33:41 <wilornel> Nope, not wrong instance. I'm starting to think that unregisterListener is not unregistering all sensors
Jan 10 04:33:51 <wilornel> Wait, you had a similar problem?
Jan 10 04:35:12 <wilornel> Baluse:
Jan 10 04:37:25 <Baluse> yes but I dont remember now
Jan 10 04:37:46 <Baluse> its 6:37 am here havent sleep - insomnia probs
Jan 10 04:41:55 <wilornel> I just set the sensorManager to null....I guess it's fine?
Jan 10 04:42:02 <wilornel> ... for now?
Jan 10 04:43:36 <JakeWharton> Baluse: Yep.you want them to be singletons
Jan 10 05:18:19 <eghdk> What's the most efficient way to get the current date in Android. I'm looking to get a format in M/D/YYYY.
Jan 10 05:19:33 <wilornel> eghdk: https://www.google.com/search?q=current+date+in+Android ?
Jan 10 05:19:38 <Nilium> That way lies madness.
Jan 10 05:19:59 <wilornel> Which way?
Jan 10 05:22:04 <bankai_> if you're making an app that's not just for you , please please DON'T use that format
Jan 10 05:22:30 <Nilium> There's probably a way to get the system format.
Jan 10 05:23:00 <Nilium> In which case, you should just use that and then blame Google for stuff.
Jan 10 05:23:54 <wilornel> Oh crap. M/D/YYYY, ew
Jan 10 05:26:01 <desmin88> whats wrong with month day year
Jan 10 05:26:18 <wilornel> 2/3/2014
Jan 10 05:26:26 <wilornel> well, it's unlogical
Jan 10 05:26:43 <bankai_> and confusing
Jan 10 05:26:46 <wilornel> yeah
Jan 10 05:27:11 <wilornel> there is D/M/YYYY and there is M/D/YYYY. Sometimes you have to try and figure out the date is which
Jan 10 05:27:13 <desmin88> the entire us uses that date format, so if you target the us, that format is probably the way to go
Jan 10 05:27:15 <wilornel> for example with 2/3/2013
Jan 10 05:27:41 <wilornel> desmin88: The entire us? Are you sure? Maybe some people will find that way unlogical, and will go with day month year
Jan 10 05:28:12 <desmin88> well not speaking in absolutes
Jan 10 05:28:20 <desmin88> but it is the accepted date format in thus
Jan 10 05:28:22 <desmin88> the us*
Jan 10 05:28:25 <bankai_> so what? fuck everyone that doesn't live in the USA?
Jan 10 05:28:41 <bankai_> great way to support the american stereotype :)
Jan 10 05:28:48 <desmin88> "the entire us uses that date format, so if you target the us, that format is probably the way to go"
Jan 10 05:29:09 <desmin88> don't put words in my mouth please.
Jan 10 05:30:35 <desmin88> also, 'the american stereotype' lol
Jan 10 05:31:31 <g00s> i think the date/time format is stored in system prefs
Jan 10 05:31:43 <desmin88> ^
Jan 10 05:31:51 <g00s> wasn't there a class to get the user's preferred format ?
Jan 10 05:31:54 <bankai_> DateFormat.get* will return that format
Jan 10 05:32:16 <g00s> its one of these mofos
Jan 10 05:32:17 <g00s> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/format/package-summary.html
Jan 10 05:32:18 <bankai_> getDateFormat, getLongDateFormat, getShortDateFormat, getMediumDateFormat
Jan 10 05:32:29 <eghdk> If I was making an app, I would check if it would be US and format it for US, for everyone else, I would put it in rest of world format. This APP is for me. So I woant the simplewst way to get the date.
Jan 10 05:32:58 <desmin88> just get the system set format
Jan 10 05:33:02 <desmin88> everybody wins
Jan 10 05:33:04 <bankai_> ^
Jan 10 05:33:37 <XXCoder> isnt ther ;library for sorting region stuff like this
Jan 10 05:33:49 <XXCoder> like set region to usa, show date stuff
Jan 10 05:34:00 <bankai_> XXCoder: see the above links and references
Jan 10 05:34:15 <eghdk> What object do I use to get the date?
Jan 10 05:35:04 <desmin88> the date object
Jan 10 05:36:27 <eghdk> myDate.getDate() is depracated?
Jan 10 06:29:44 <eghdk> What's the best way to get if today is a monday, tuesday, etc;
Jan 10 06:41:20 <alex_PP> Calendar.getInstance().get(Calendar.DAY_OF_WEEK);
Jan 10 06:41:26 <alex_PP> eghdk,
Jan 10 07:14:46 <cff> Can I download programatically the Statistics data for my Android application?
Jan 10 07:15:00 * lut4rp yawns
Jan 10 07:15:11 <cff> i.e. the data you can Export as CSV from the Developer Console -> All Applications -> Statistics
Jan 10 07:15:31 <cff> I want to be able to download it with wget/curl/etc or from a programming language
Jan 10 07:23:27 <cff> I see there is no mention of gsutil tool like for the Financial reports
Jan 10 07:23:35 <cff> in the Statistics section
Jan 10 07:23:36 <cff> :(
Jan 10 07:23:59 <cff> Google should allow developer to download usage statistics programatically
Jan 10 07:42:45 <cff> i.e. the data you can Export as CSV from the Developer Console -> All Applications -> Statistics
Jan 10 07:45:12 <JakeWharton> use Charles to watch the request
Jan 10 07:45:21 <JakeWharton> emulate via curl
Jan 10 07:48:37 <cff> JakeWharton: yeah, I thought of doing that, see what is the ajax request the page sends
Jan 10 07:48:52 <JakeWharton> probably doesn't need much
Jan 10 07:57:16 <ir7466> Hello. I'm using Html.fromHtml("&#1004;"); but it's not working, not displaying anything.
Jan 10 07:57:20 <ir7466> What am I doing wrong?
Jan 10 07:58:06 <JakeWharton> not giving us enough info to help
Jan 10 08:01:56 <hokkaido> :D
Jan 10 08:02:46 <ir7466> Spanned newText = Html.fromHtml(existing+ "&#1004;");  myButton.setText(newText);
Jan 10 08:02:55 <ir7466> I just see the existing text plus a bit of space
Jan 10 08:03:00 <ir7466> so clearly it's updating
Jan 10 08:03:09 <ir7466> but the html.fromhtml isn't working properly
Jan 10 08:10:28 <dheeraj_> Anyone here using eclipse in Linux.?
Jan 10 08:12:43 <dheeraj_> please help  me in solving "PANIC: Could not open: Motorola"
Jan 10 08:12:52 <dheeraj_> what does this means??
Jan 10 08:21:16 <Ologn> dheeraj_, open a shell, type "dmesg | grep -i panic"
Jan 10 08:21:42 <Ologn> Is there any output?
Jan 10 08:21:59 <dheeraj_> Ologn: No output
Jan 10 08:22:31 <Ologn> If you do a "dmesg | tail ", does it say anything about panic's or Motorola?
Jan 10 08:23:24 <dheeraj_> Ologn: No nothing is there about panic or motorola
Jan 10 08:23:28 <dheeraj_> :/
Jan 10 08:23:42 <Ologn> dheeraj_, OK, so it wasn't a kernel panic probably
Jan 10 08:24:06 <dheeraj_> Ologn: so whats the problem here?
Jan 10 08:24:27 <g00s> wouldn't a kernel panic halt the box ?
Jan 10 08:24:45 <dheeraj_> g00s: Means?
Jan 10 08:25:05 <Ologn> g00s: that's usually the default way a kernel panic would be handled
Jan 10 08:26:15 <Ologn> dheeraj_, the problem is you're trying to open an AVD and the message is a symptom of that not working currently
Jan 10 08:26:16 <dheeraj_> I googled about this but they all say about Windows.. To create a environment variable..
Jan 10 08:26:43 <Ologn> An AVD probably called Motorola...or perhaps an actual Motorola device
Jan 10 08:27:11 <dheeraj_> Ologn: this is the device i made from AVD menu,
Jan 10 08:27:33 <dheeraj_> Previously it was PANIC: Could not open: AVD for_Nexus_S_by_Google in linux
Jan 10 08:27:59 <Ologn> dheeraj_, the problem is Eclipse is not finding the .android directory
Jan 10 08:28:56 <dheeraj_> Ologn: I found that directory in /root/.android
Jan 10 08:28:57 <Ologn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15103782/avd-panic-could-not-open-not-a-path-issue
Jan 10 08:30:03 <dheeraj_> Ologn: I read this link before also
Jan 10 08:30:03 <Ologn> Also, if it is in root, the permissions might be strange
Jan 10 08:30:13 <Ologn> I usually create avd's as a normal user
Jan 10 08:30:38 <dheeraj_> Ologn: so do i  copy them any where else..??
Jan 10 08:30:45 <dheeraj_> If yes where??
Jan 10 08:31:21 <Ologn> dheeraj_, what happens when from the command line you run "emulator -avd Motorola", or whatever the avd is called?
Jan 10 08:32:21 <dheeraj_> it is saying emulator: command not found.
Jan 10 08:34:05 <raj> I have a website that uses sockjs and websocket for chat. Can I interface an android app to communicate with the website's chat users as well?
Jan 10 08:34:36 <Ologn> dheeraj_, it should be in the tools subdirectory of your android SDK directory
Jan 10 08:34:40 <Ologn> the emulator command
Jan 10 08:34:57 <dheeraj_> let me see
Jan 10 08:35:48 <dheeraj_> Ologn: same output as on eclipse "PANIC: Could not open: Motorola"
Jan 10 08:37:20 <Ologn> dheeraj_, you said it was in root...I think it's a permission problem
Jan 10 08:37:38 <dheeraj_> Ologn: .android directory is in /root/   and  android SDK directory is in /home/dheeraj/android
Jan 10 08:38:02 <dheeraj_> does it make some thing wrong/
Jan 10 08:38:04 <dheeraj_> ?
Jan 10 08:38:27 <Ologn> You can probably create a new AVD and use it...and if you can do that and not use the old one...it's probably a permissions problem
Jan 10 08:39:18 <dheeraj_> Ologn: i tried that too, before it was nexus_by_Google then i made a new ADT Motorola. But same problem
Jan 10 08:40:37 <Ologn> I think everything points to some kind of permission problem
Jan 10 08:41:03 <dheeraj_> How can i change the permission?
Jan 10 08:41:53 <Ologn> (sudo) chown -R directory changes who owns a resource
Jan 10 08:43:28 <dheeraj_> You mean .android?
Jan 10 08:43:41 <dheeraj_> chown -R /root/.android
Jan 10 08:43:59 <dheeraj_> chown -R /home/dheeraj/android
Jan 10 08:44:45 <Ologn> (sudo) chown username -R  directory
Jan 10 08:45:01 <Ologn> so username now owns directory and whatever is under it
Jan 10 08:47:27 <dheeraj_> Ologn: same problem
Jan 10 08:47:43 <dheeraj_> do i restart?
Jan 10 08:49:10 <Ologn> Personally I would create a user called test, log in as test, get the Android SDK, and do everything as test - no pointing to root or dheeraj
Jan 10 08:49:20 <Ologn> I would create an AVD and try to launch it
Jan 10 08:49:41 <Ologn> Do everything in one account, in one directory /home/test
Jan 10 08:50:42 <Ologn> If that works, you can then go back and sort out the permissions for the other stuff
Jan 10 08:51:15 <Ologn> It should work, and it makes things less complex...if it works you have one working avd on your machine, while you debug the rest
Jan 10 08:51:44 <dheeraj_> Ologn: actually i am new to android, i had never worked
Jan 10 08:51:47 <dheeraj_> before
Jan 10 08:51:59 <dheeraj_> i just need to test the app i got here
Jan 10 08:52:27 <Ologn> dheeraj_, it's unusual to have a /root/.android   My .android is in my home directory
Jan 10 08:53:21 <Ologn> With a new test user, it would be /home/test/.android  and maybe /home/test/sdk , all in the same directory, all owned by the same user
Jan 10 08:53:23 <dheeraj_> Ologn: so do i copy that in /home/dheeraj
Jan 10 08:53:42 <dheeraj_> ohkk
Jan 10 08:54:26 <Ologn> Create a test user, get it working all by itself as the test user.  If it works there, you can play with the AVD as test, and debug the rest at your leisure.
Jan 10 08:55:47 <Ologn> That you're pointing to /root/.android makes it seem like your setup got botched somewhere
Jan 10 08:56:22 <Ologn> /home/dheeraj/.android would be a much more normal place for that directory to be
Jan 10 08:56:44 <Ologn> bbl
Jan 10 08:56:46 <dheeraj_> i copied that in my home directory
Jan 10 09:00:52 <Tee_Pee_> Hey folks, quick question - when I set a mock location on Android, the actual location I get is ~3 kilometers away from what I needed, and logging the coordinates shows variation in the first decimal... any way to avoid this?
Jan 10 09:06:05 <serrghi> Tee_Pee_: sounds like you are doing something very wrong
Jan 10 09:07:09 <Tee_Pee_> How wrong can you make a new location and send it to your location provider? :S
Jan 10 09:09:47 <serrghi> idk, but when i mock my locations i get accurate down to 5m or so
Jan 10 09:10:01 <serrghi> sounds like the mock location youve set is wrong
Jan 10 09:10:16 <Tee_Pee_> Triple and quadrouple checked with google maps
Jan 10 09:10:25 <serrghi> what are you using to mock your location?
Jan 10 09:10:46 <Tee_Pee_> I set the lat, long, accuracy to 1, no bearing, no altitude, the location provider is set to PRIORITY_HIGH_ACCURACY
Jan 10 09:10:53 <Tee_Pee_> Code
Jan 10 09:11:02 <Tee_Pee_> the location request is set to *
Jan 10 09:11:17 <Tee_Pee_> I connect my location provider, set it tmock mode, create the location and assign it
Jan 10 09:12:56 <serrghi> have any code?
Jan 10 09:13:05 <serrghi> *to show
Jan 10 09:13:06 <Tee_Pee_> I do, but let me just try this... one second
Jan 10 09:14:03 <Tee_Pee_> Yeah, now it becomes funky... no matter what I set the lat and long to, mock location provides me the same coordinates
Jan 10 09:14:23 <serrghi> show me some code :)
Jan 10 09:14:34 <serrghi> been a while since ive mocked locations
Jan 10 09:16:10 <Tee_Pee_> http://pastebin.com/cyuybM4z
Jan 10 09:16:16 <Tee_Pee_> there, that's the extent of it
Jan 10 09:16:28 <Tee_Pee_> ignore the bearing, I just tried that now, didn't work without it either
Jan 10 09:18:01 <Tee_Pee_> ok... herp derp I'm an idiot... the location I get is actually my real location... i.e. mocking doesn't work at all.
Jan 10 09:18:07 <Tee_Pee_> I have it enabled on my device and in my manifest
Jan 10 09:19:46 <serrghi> you have enable mock locations on device?
Jan 10 09:20:00 <Tee_Pee_> Yup
Jan 10 09:20:05 <Tee_Pee_> However I know what might be the issue
Jan 10 09:20:15 <Tee_Pee_> before assigning the location in my app I do a quality check against what it already has
Jan 10 09:20:22 <Tee_Pee_> might be that the mock location is failing that
Jan 10 09:20:54 <Tee_Pee_> nope... it keeps returning the real location
Jan 10 09:21:04 <serrghi> you could try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps just to check that everything works when going that direction
Jan 10 09:21:19 <serrghi> so go there, set a fake location, back to your app and check what you get then
Jan 10 09:21:39 <serrghi> if that didnt change your location something else is wrong
Jan 10 09:23:33 <serrghi> cant see anything wrong with your code. Go through http://developer.android.com/training/location/location-testing.html again and just double check everything
Jan 10 09:23:35 <Tee_Pee_> let's see
Jan 10 09:23:56 <serrghi> didnt see a mLocationClient.connect() anywhere in your code, but i guess its somewhere else?
Jan 10 09:24:19 <serrghi> also, make sure to check that your code is actually run :P
Jan 10 09:25:40 <Tee_Pee_> ok yeah, even that returns my actual location
Jan 10 09:25:42 <Tee_Pee_> so it's not my code
Jan 10 09:25:48 <Tee_Pee_> it's there
Jan 10 09:27:02 <pecorade> Hi.
Jan 10 09:30:43 <Tee_Pee_> Ok, stupid solution attempt - rebooting my phone
Jan 10 09:31:32 <serrghi> :D
Jan 10 09:33:44 <bluesm> Can I assign VERY little data to a view ? (For example using getTag setTag method of the views)
Jan 10 09:34:45 <bluesm> I seem that this is good way: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5291726/what-is-the-main-purpose-of-settag-gettag-methods-of-view
Jan 10 09:37:30 <Tee_Pee_> nothing
Jan 10 09:37:39 <Tee_Pee_> looks like cyanogenmod doesn't like mock location
Jan 10 09:39:30 <serrghi> hm, i dont think thats the issue since ive used mock locations on my cm devices
Jan 10 09:39:39 <serrghi> however, maybe theyve broken something in latest
Jan 10 09:39:52 <serrghi> if you run the demo code by google, is there still an issue?
Jan 10 09:40:03 <serrghi> Anyway, if you run the code in your emulator thing should work
Jan 10 09:43:04 <Tee_Pee_> hey, I got it to work
Jan 10 09:43:16 <Tee_Pee_> I had to disable network location in my phone's location settings
Jan 10 09:44:34 <serrghi> huh, weird
Jan 10 09:56:17 <deanrock0> hi, how can I solve "Error executing appt: Return code 138"? I tried googling it, but didn't find anything that could help me.
Jan 10 09:59:13 <Mavrik> hmm
Jan 10 09:59:20 <Mavrik> does genymotion support faking of internet speed?
Jan 10 10:16:13 <bluesm> How can I change ui from onPostExecute() from asynctask ?
Jan 10 10:22:16 <kjeldahl> bluesm: Just do it; you're already on the ui thread when you get called in that method.
Jan 10 10:27:55 <ohcibi> is it correct that a libraries AndroidManifest.xml file is not used (unless using gradle which seem to merge all modules manifests)? at all
Jan 10 10:28:39 <Mavrik> ohcibi, yes.
Jan 10 10:29:08 <_genuser_> I can't figure out why the TextView isn't taking up fill width and centering the text.    http://pastebin.com/nvqM5TFZ
Jan 10 10:29:49 <_genuser_> I have tablelayout width fill_parent, table rows is also fill_parent and textview is also fill_parent. however it just shows as wrap_content on teh left side.
Jan 10 10:30:25 <ohcibi> _genuser_: user match_parent instaed of fill_parent.. fill_parent is usefull if you have two views in a linearlayout and want one of the views to fill up all space not used by the other view
Jan 10 10:30:30 <ohcibi> _genuser_: s/user/use/
Jan 10 10:30:50 <ohcibi> _genuser_: maybe this fixes the centering as well but i'm not sure
Jan 10 10:31:20 <_genuser_> testing it now. I thought fill_parent says take up all the space , and you're done. :
Jan 10 10:31:23 <_genuser_> :)
Jan 10 10:32:29 <ohcibi> _genuser_: it does actually but as you want to have one view to take the _whole_ space match_parent is the correct one.. I don't know why its not working with fill_parent..
Jan 10 10:32:38 <_genuser_> row and textview set to layout_width="match_parent" and tablelayout set to fill_parent. nothing different.
Jan 10 10:32:57 <ohcibi> _genuser_: also have a close look at all your xml files.. maybe you are including some styles that define padding or margin.. they are generated by default when creating a new project
Jan 10 10:33:45 <ohcibi> _genuser_: if tablelayout has no other view in its parent view you want match_parent there as well
Jan 10 10:33:49 <_genuser_> right above it, I have a linearlayout with a textview, and it works for that one.
Jan 10 10:34:05 <ohcibi> then maybe the tableview has some styles applied
Jan 10 10:34:43 <_genuser_> I was using it cleanliness.
Jan 10 10:35:03 <_genuser_> is there any reason not to just use LinearLayout with vertical and use more LinearLayouts with horizontal inside?
Jan 10 10:35:16 <_genuser_> inner LinearLayouts being "rows"
Jan 10 10:35:28 <ohcibi> _genuser_: i just tried it and it takes up all the spaces (tried the first paste)
Jan 10 10:35:52 <_genuser_> even in the emulator it doesn't work.
Jan 10 10:35:53 <ohcibi> _genuser_: does the root view has match_parent?
Jan 10 10:36:03 <_genuser_> let me try it on a real device.
Jan 10 10:36:13 <_genuser_> no, nothing has match parent in mine. 'coz I like to run a tight ship.
Jan 10 10:36:20 <_genuser_> when I tell it to fill_parent, that's it, lol!!!
Jan 10 10:36:25 <ohcibi> oO
Jan 10 10:36:45 <ohcibi> _genuser_: are you only joking?
Jan 10 10:37:12 <_genuser_> yep. I'm a new android dev. Have recently been getting more comfortable with designing UI.
Jan 10 10:37:21 <_genuser_> Using what I know and learning more along the way.
Jan 10 10:37:46 <ohcibi> _genuser_: oh so you don't need any actual help?
Jan 10 10:38:17 <_genuser_> I need help. I meant I was joking about "run a tight ship, it muyst be only fill_parent"
Jan 10 10:38:43 <_genuser_> ok, I have set all of them to "match_parent", except the rootlevel scroll view, which is fill_parent.
Jan 10 10:38:44 <CallumTaylor> fyi, fill_parent is the same as match_parent
Jan 10 10:38:49 <_genuser_> should I change that one also?
Jan 10 10:38:58 <ohcibi> CallumTaylor: no its not..
Jan 10 10:39:02 <CallumTaylor> yes, it is
Jan 10 10:39:11 <CallumTaylor> quite literally the same
Jan 10 10:39:16 <CallumTaylor> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.LayoutParams.html#MATCH_PARENT
Jan 10 10:39:36 <_genuser_> now, they're all set to match_parent from that TableLayout to it's parent(s). still now centering or filling up the parent.
Jan 10 10:39:37 <ohcibi> no... match_parent will set the width to the width of the parent... fill_parent will set the width to what is available in the parent view
Jan 10 10:39:56 <CallumTaylor> match_parent = -1, fill_parent = 1
Jan 10 10:39:57 <CallumTaylor> -1
Jan 10 10:40:07 <ohcibi> _genuser_: there must be somethine else wrong.. as I said I even tried it with fill_parent and it works... fill_parent should be the same as match_parent for only one child indeed
Jan 10 10:40:08 <CallumTaylor> they are the same, fill_parent got renamed to match_parent in api 8
Jan 10 10:40:27 <ohcibi> oO
Jan 10 10:40:36 <Mavrik> yep
Jan 10 10:41:33 <_genuser_> tried it on a real device, still the same.
Jan 10 10:41:39 <ohcibi> okay.. makes sense anyways..
Jan 10 10:41:44 <_genuser_> ohcibi: let me delete the entire view, and create with just that much code.
Jan 10 10:42:11 <ohcibi> _genuser_: you must be doing wrong something else: your code worked in my example
Jan 10 10:42:57 <ohcibi> _genuser_: http://pastebin.com/zM4bxwqX this is my full layout.. shows a black row which takes upt he entire width
Jan 10 10:43:46 <_genuser_> ohcibi: nice! I'm going to clean up the entire file just start with that. if that works, then it's something inside that file that's messing it up.
Jan 10 10:43:58 <ohcibi> _genuser_: or styles
Jan 10 10:44:21 <_genuser_> are there any styles that would be getting applied here if I'm not specifically adding them in my UI tags?
Jan 10 10:44:23 <ohcibi> _genuser_: they get generated when creating a new application and they contain padding for the root view...
Jan 10 10:44:36 <ohcibi> _genuser_: iirc you can define styles in the manifest
Jan 10 10:44:43 <ohcibi> no
Jan 10 10:44:46 <ohcibi> just themes
Jan 10 10:44:50 <ohcibi> which can have styles
Jan 10 10:45:25 <_genuser_> right, I see proj/values/styles.xml only has one tag:  <style name="AppTheme" parent="android:Theme.Light" />
Jan 10 10:45:59 <ohcibi> k.. should be clean then
Jan 10 10:47:33 <_genuser_> http://pastebin.com/as4awMBM
Jan 10 10:47:43 <_genuser_> clean file, that's all there is in it. still left aligned.
Jan 10 10:48:08 <_genuser_> I wouldn't think android:Theme.Light would have anything in it by default that override layout_width for TableRows
Jan 10 10:48:42 <_genuser_> but it is the table view for sure. when I remove the table view, it works fine.
Jan 10 10:49:11 <_genuser_> interesting find: android:layout_weight="1"
Jan 10 10:49:17 <_genuser_> will make it center and take up the entire space.
Jan 10 10:49:32 <ohcibi> _genuser_: matching parents width is working now, though?
Jan 10 10:49:59 <_genuser_> matching parents width works meaning it doesn't do anythign different from fill_parent.
Jan 10 10:50:12 <_genuser_> but what fixed the actual problem was layout_weight.
Jan 10 10:51:59 <ohcibi> _genuser_: android:gravity is for the _parents_ view
Jan 10 10:52:10 <ohcibi> _genuser_: put that into the tablerow and it should center, I just trie dit
Jan 10 10:52:18 <_genuser_> let me try that.
Jan 10 10:52:55 <ohcibi> _genuser_: by matching parents view works, I actually meant that there should be ne paddings or anything anymore (i.e. the row should take up the entire width) is that still failing?
Jan 10 10:53:07 <_genuser_> ok, that works. However, the lable doesn't fill up all the space.
Jan 10 10:53:20 <_genuser_> but I don't really mind because the label doesn't have any backgrounds etc.
Jan 10 10:53:43 <ohcibi> _genuser_: I just wanted to ask why do you want the label to take up the entire width?
Jan 10 10:53:59 <_genuser_> this table row will act as a "header".
Jan 10 10:54:08 <ohcibi> _genuser_: you usually put a label inside a container view if you want to do anything with background (buttons are designed like that)
Jan 10 10:54:16 <_genuser_> next table row will have two labels with layout_weight=".5" to take up half each.
Jan 10 10:54:27 <ohcibi> _genuser_: are you actually displaying table data in those views?
Jan 10 10:54:36 <ohcibi> _genuser_: or are you actually layouting your views with tables?
Jan 10 10:54:52 <_genuser_> it would be more tabular data.
Jan 10 10:55:12 <_genuser_> but now and then I'd like to use up a row for labelling the section underneath it.
Jan 10 10:55:19 <ohcibi> _genuser_: and is your "header" somehow related to fields of that data?
Jan 10 10:55:24 <ohcibi> ah k
Jan 10 10:55:29 <ohcibi> that sounds correct
Jan 10 10:55:47 <_genuser_> so under the balance "header" row, there will be another row, which will show confirmed, unconfirmed, balance for the user. along with any orphaned balance.
Jan 10 10:56:04 <ohcibi> _genuser_: yep, so those are actually table sections, right?
Jan 10 10:56:13 <ohcibi> e.g. no header for the entire activity
Jan 10 10:56:25 <_genuser_> yeah, that's a table header. for table sections.
Jan 10 10:56:31 <ohcibi> good.
Jan 10 10:56:42 <_genuser_> the tabular nature of the data is what made me decide to learn about tablelayout.
Jan 10 10:56:59 <_genuser_> so then this problem is solved. :)
Jan 10 10:57:14 <_genuser_> thank you very much for looking and helping me out.
Jan 10 10:57:28 <ohcibi> _genuser_: ok ok... I'm doing much html as well and it was(is?) a very common design failure to layout webpages using tables..
Jan 10 10:57:49 <_genuser_> oh right, I only recently moved away from tables to divs/css for layout.
Jan 10 10:57:58 <ohcibi> so I'm somewhat sensitive on that 8-9
Jan 10 10:57:59 <ohcibi> 8-)
Jan 10 10:58:16 <ohcibi> _genuser_: that "recently" makes my sensitiveness 8-)
Jan 10 10:58:42 <_genuser_> I used tables because css just wasn't mature enough. but once I discovered that all the browsers (even IE) renders stuff the same way if you use html 4.01 strict doctype.
Jan 10 10:58:50 <_genuser_> then I moved to css and haven't looked back to tables.
Jan 10 11:00:24 <ohcibi> html4.01 strict exists since >10 years now... but this gets off-topic 8)
Jan 10 11:00:51 <_genuser_> yeah, I think about 4 years ago I moved to 4.01
Jan 10 11:01:25 <_genuser_> most of the web layouts I've done last 4+ or so years have been more serious and customer facing so I've used 4.01
Jan 10 11:02:06 <v1c3> Whats the best way to use Sensor.TYPE_ACCELEROMETER and Sensor.TYPE_MAGNETIC_FIELD both at once? It feels very "laggy"
Jan 10 11:03:51 <v1c3> I tried to smooth the sensorvalues a little bit, but it's not what i wanted: https://dpaste.de/uxBp
Jan 10 11:05:28 <k1p1Black> hi
Jan 10 11:05:44 <k1p1Black> i got a question with updating my view dynamically
Jan 10 11:06:09 <k1p1Black> My app crashes when i click the button to send the info to the next activity
Jan 10 11:12:37 <superlinux-hp> hi. for the alert dialog box, how do you set the default warning icon??
Jan 10 11:12:41 <ohcibi> is it possible to restrict the cookies set in a webview to 1st party ones?
Jan 10 11:13:21 <superlinux-hp> I want to set the warning icon that comes with the sdk by default.
Jan 10 11:14:30 <Sirolf> k1p1Black you'll have to give more info on what you're doing
Jan 10 11:14:39 <k1p1Black> yea
Jan 10 11:15:09 <k1p1Black> when i click my button send ,it must go to the next activity screen and print it out
Jan 10 11:15:52 <Sirolf> print what out?
Jan 10 11:16:15 <k1p1Black> print the info taken from the mainactivity
Jan 10 11:16:52 <k1p1Black> Intent intent = new Intent(this, ReceiveMsg.class);
Jan 10 11:17:48 <Sirolf> you met the extra's of the intent?
Jan 10 11:18:03 <Sirolf> met=mean
Jan 10 11:18:17 <k1p1Black> yea
Jan 10 11:18:45 <Coryn> okay, so I'm going to make games for androids and sell them on google play and become a millionaire. So where do I start?
Jan 10 11:19:00 <Coryn> will I most probably not make a dime?
Jan 10 11:19:00 <k1p1Black> i use putExtra(theMsg); and took it out int he receivemsg.class as getStringExtra(MAINACTIVITY.name)
Jan 10 11:19:14 <Coryn> also, do you need a company to do it?
Jan 10 11:19:24 <k1p1Black> putExtra(name, value)
Jan 10 11:20:01 <Sirolf> k1p1Black .. and what is the error?
Jan 10 11:20:15 <k1p1Black> when i click the send button, the app crashes
Jan 10 11:20:31 <k1p1Black> states "Unfortunately,the app has been stopped"
Jan 10 11:20:40 <Sirolf> what does logcat say?
Jan 10 11:20:59 <Sirolf> Coryn you can easily publish apps yourself
Jan 10 11:21:27 <k1p1Black> java.lang.IllegalStateException:could not execute method of the activity
Jan 10 11:21:30 <Sirolf> k1p1Black .. did you declare the new Activity in the AndroidManifest.xml ?
Jan 10 11:22:25 <k1p1Black> Nope
Jan 10 11:22:39 <k1p1Black> i'll do it now
Jan 10 11:23:32 <Sirolf> :-)
Jan 10 11:24:07 <superlinux-hp> hi. for the alert dialog box, how do you set the default warning icon??
Jan 10 11:24:09 <superlinux-hp> I want to set the warning icon that comes with the sdk by default.
Jan 10 11:25:22 <Coryn> Sirolf: so after a month of intense development, I could publish a game. If the game is good, what profit can I expect?
Jan 10 11:25:25 <k1p1Black> thanks sirolf
Jan 10 11:25:34 <k1p1Black> works perfectly
Jan 10 11:25:36 <k1p1Black> :)
Jan 10 11:25:36 <Sirolf> np k1p1Black :)
Jan 10 11:25:40 <Coryn> Sirolf: won't it just drown among all the other games?
Jan 10 11:26:24 <Sirolf> Coryn depends on your marketing ... but if it's only 1 month intense development ... what could go wrong :P
Jan 10 11:27:17 <Coryn> Sirolf: wasted time? :p
Jan 10 11:27:18 <Sirolf> if it's good and original enough ... ppl will recognise it I guess
Jan 10 11:27:40 <Coryn> so, is it a reasonable salary.. or just sub-pocket money?
Jan 10 11:27:41 <Sirolf> with writing games .. chances of wasting alot of time is always a problem
Jan 10 11:27:41 <Sirolf> haha
Jan 10 11:28:23 <Sirolf> if you'll write multiple games a year .. and you're good .. you're hoping for one of them to really sell well I guess
Jan 10 11:28:25 <Coryn> I mean, 1$ for an app you made.. won't even pay for tooth paste
Jan 10 11:29:08 <Sirolf> maybe you want to get noticed by large companies who'd like to use your game
Jan 10 11:29:11 <Sirolf> I don't know
Jan 10 11:29:20 <Sirolf> not a millionair myself ... yet ;-)
Jan 10 11:29:30 <Coryn> Sirolf: are you making money of writing apps?
Jan 10 11:30:10 <Sirolf> for the company I work for yes ... and trying to write a game in my own time ... but I have no idea what to expect
Jan 10 11:30:24 <Coryn> :(
Jan 10 11:30:49 <Sirolf> I think it all depends on your skills and determination
Jan 10 11:31:42 <Coryn> life is hard..
Jan 10 11:31:45 <ohcibi> Coryn: to add an opinion: I have a friend who developed a game for android.. it was nicely popular as long as it was free, but when they put a charge on it (not even much), popularity was over... i _think_ (without acctually knowing) that it is somewhat difficult to gain much money on android
Jan 10 11:32:11 <Sirolf> exactly
Jan 10 11:32:47 <Sirolf> maybe you could try free games with paid advertisement
Jan 10 11:32:57 <ohcibi> or ingame payments
Jan 10 11:33:02 <Coryn> thank you for your opinion ohcibi. Most probably, you won't make any money.
Jan 10 11:33:06 <Sirolf> if you get enough volume it'll work out
Jan 10 11:33:37 <Coryn> I've tried to make money via youtube. I'm not making a dime.
Jan 10 11:33:57 <Sirolf> there will always be ppl who'll make lots of money with games ... it's just most ppl wont:)
Jan 10 11:34:08 <ohcibi> Coryn: i'd say you have to think about different business aproaches (again without me knowing which) as the classic buy-and-sell seems not to work out in the googlesphere
Jan 10 11:34:40 <Sirolf> most succesful games make their money with the in-game currency
Jan 10 11:34:53 <ohcibi> nowadays at least yep...
Jan 10 11:34:57 <mark_oz> Sirolf: examples?
Jan 10 11:35:04 <ohcibi> mark_oz: nfs world
Jan 10 11:35:07 <m1hael> Coryn: i think there is an audience for non-free apps. i myself have bought several apps on android
Jan 10 11:35:08 <Sirolf> like to speed up process
Jan 10 11:35:22 <Coryn> that's too experimental for the one-guy developer. You can't create your own currency etc etc.
Jan 10 11:35:36 <ohcibi> Coryn: then try it with extras..
Jan 10 11:35:37 <Coryn> (and put up currecy servers and so on)
Jan 10 11:35:38 <ohcibi> pro-versions
Jan 10 11:35:46 <Sirolf> look up the most profitable apps in the play store ... they're mostly free apps ... meaning the earn by in-app purchase
Jan 10 11:35:47 <ohcibi> paid with real money via google play
Jan 10 11:36:03 <ohcibi> Sirolf: or just ads
Jan 10 11:36:14 <ohcibi> but i also think in-app-buy is worth more
Jan 10 11:36:27 <Sirolf> ads aren't measured there right?
Jan 10 11:37:00 <Sirolf> anyway ... gotta eat now ;) let me know when you become rich Coryn
Jan 10 11:37:28 <Coryn> wow, videos that I put up 1 year ago has 4,7 and 44 views each. Failed attempt.
Jan 10 11:37:38 <Coryn> Sirolf: well, never that is ;)
Jan 10 11:41:11 <JohnnyonFlame> When it comes to audio, did anything change the last couple years? Or do I still need to send samples from native to JNI, from there to audioflinger, etc.
Jan 10 11:47:31 <lacx> Hey all
Jan 10 11:49:23 <lacx> in Eclipse ADT I have a ListView which in layout preview shows "Heading 1/Subheading 1, Heading 2/Subheading 2" etc. Can I use the the headings in the preview or shoul I implement my own with a TextView etc..?
Jan 10 11:58:59 <Catharsis> Hello peeps
Jan 10 11:59:15 <Catharsis> Quick question (may not be a quick answer)
Jan 10 11:59:57 <Catharsis> I am viewing a single record from a ListLayout (powered by sqlite) and wanted to offer an edit as well
Jan 10 12:00:21 <Catharsis> so I have a view record ayout and a edit record layout in 2 seperate xml files
Jan 10 12:00:42 <Catharsis> I found that I can use setContentView to change between the 2
Jan 10 12:01:07 <Catharsis> but should I be using a FrameLayout instead and setting 1 to visible at the right time?
Jan 10 12:05:26 <bluesm> How can I change ui from onPostExecute() from asynctask ?
Jan 10 12:07:11 <kjeldahl> bluesm: Already answered. Read up.
Jan 10 12:07:42 <bluesm> kjeldahl: Oh sorry. I have problems to catch up, when you not write my nick :)  thank you :)
Jan 10 12:08:25 <bluesm> kjeldahl: How long time ago you answered ?
Jan 10 12:08:51 <CallumTaylor> kjeldahl: bluesm: Just do it; you're already on the ui thread when you get called in that method.
Jan 10 12:09:20 <bluesm>  CallumTaylor: So different method of the same class could run on different threads ?
Jan 10 12:09:33 <CallumTaylor> onPostExecute is run on the UI thread
Jan 10 12:09:40 <lacx> what Callum said X)
Jan 10 12:09:43 <kjeldahl> bluesm: Yes.
Jan 10 12:11:39 <bluesm> kjeldahl: So just pass the Context to the constructor, and operate on the UI  ?
Jan 10 12:12:05 <kjeldahl> bluesm: That method does exactly that by design, so you an do whatever you need to do to update UI etc.
Jan 10 12:12:10 <CallumTaylor> have a look at my blog post: http://blog.callumtaylor.net/handlingasynctasksanddialogfragmentswithorientationchangingjava-android
Jan 10 12:12:13 <CallumTaylor> this may help
Jan 10 12:12:25 <kjeldahl> "so you CAN..."
Jan 10 12:27:41 <j4hr0m> hi room
Jan 10 12:38:39 <Catharsis> hi j4hr0m
Jan 10 12:39:18 <nikdev> hi is any one here
Jan 10 12:39:34 <freiform> Hi, I do have a question on threads and runnables. I want to record raw audio data and do some processing to determine if i want to save the current samples. I have a service instancing a thread at the moment. Eevery time i finish recording a desired timeframe of audio (e.g. 4s), I exit the thread and the service creates a new recording thread. i figure that this seems like a lot of overhead. is there a way to make the runable persistent, so I can
Jan 10 12:39:34 <freiform>  just call it again without having to create a new instance?
Jan 10 12:40:14 <Catharsis> nikdev: I am definately not here :)
Jan 10 12:40:45 <nikdev> hi, consider a service is running. can it update an textview object while servic is running??
Jan 10 12:42:42 <nikdev> hello could anyone clarify my dought....
Jan 10 12:43:07 <freiform> nikdev: sure, just implement a message handler in your activity and send messages from the service.
Jan 10 12:44:58 <nikdev> i am a beginner to android. could you suggest some ref link where i can get some info on "message handler" plz
Jan 10 12:48:46 <nunne> Updated to android studio 0.4.2 (from 0.3.x) and now I just get the error "Gradle project sync failed. Please fix your project and try again.". Tried both classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:0.7.+' and classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:0.6.+'. But the same error.
Jan 10 12:49:56 <freiform> nikdev: maybe something in the lines of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15685752/how-to-use-an-android-handler-to-update-a-textview-in-the-ui-thread
Jan 10 12:54:24 <cff> Does anyone know a reliable source of currency conversion rates?
Jan 10 12:54:25 <cff> I'm looking for some kind of XML file, for conversion rates between Swiss Franc CHF and all other currencies
Jan 10 12:55:14 <deebo> just do a google query "100 chf in eur"
Jan 10 12:55:22 <cff> deebo: no
Jan 10 12:55:26 <deebo> yes.
Jan 10 12:55:28 <cff> deebo: I need access to it programatically
Jan 10 12:55:35 <cff> I need to store that in the database and update it daily
Jan 10 12:55:48 <deebo> daily is too slow!
Jan 10 12:56:00 <cff> sure
Jan 10 12:57:34 <bluesm> Async task is designed to tackle one thing.  I'm not able to implement several doInBackground  and onPostExecute methods...
Jan 10 12:57:47 <bluesm> Is should create class that cope with several AsyncTasks ? Right ?
Jan 10 12:57:54 <shineworld> http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
Jan 10 12:58:30 <Kegsay> cff, http://code.google.com/p/currency-converter-api/ seems to be your best bet.
Jan 10 12:59:18 <cff> Kegsay: I can do the coding myself, I need the data
Jan 10 12:59:29 <shineworld> cff, http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
Jan 10 12:59:29 <cff> shineworld: thanks, European Central Bank seems a good source
Jan 10 12:59:37 <cff> shineworld: yeah :-)
Jan 10 12:59:58 <shineworld> your are welcome
Jan 10 13:00:04 <Catharsis> You know that feeling when you think your doing something not quite right but it works and you don't know how to do it better?
Jan 10 13:00:09 <Catharsis> I have that feeeling..
Jan 10 13:01:15 <Sirolf> can someone help me with the in-app purchase process? I'm getting back "false" on the verifyPurchase method in the Security class of the Iab class
Jan 10 13:03:11 <shineworld> Catharsis, I'm always is that state .... sigh
Jan 10 13:03:47 <compac> How long does it take for the app to show in play's search results? I can find it if I search for "app name" (with the quotes in the browser) or for developername (no spaces) but searching for app name gives and the app is not displayed in the results.
Jan 10 13:04:24 <Catharsis> shineworld: at least I am not alone then
Jan 10 13:05:01 <Catharsis> Does this channel do code review?
Jan 10 13:05:05 <Sirolf> compac first time can take up to a day sometimes ... but usually 3 hours max
Jan 10 13:05:06 <shineworld> compac, if you mean what you have to wait before your app appears on play store .... about 3 days first time....
Jan 10 13:05:53 <compac> shineworld, I see, it's been 24h only
Jan 10 13:06:02 <shineworld> 2.3 days was my first push....
Jan 10 13:06:08 <shineworld> I wasn't lucky :)
Jan 10 13:06:32 <compac> But you could find it if you searched for your dev name, right?
Jan 10 13:06:34 <shineworld> fortunately was only a dummy app for test
Jan 10 13:06:50 <shineworld> I'm trying now
Jan 10 13:07:30 <shineworld> however I preferred to deploy my apps using a external server ... my customers can't wait 3-24 hours for an update
Jan 10 13:08:09 <shineworld> yes works... also searching for name
Jan 10 13:10:18 <shineworld> but by my very little experience search was available later than apk
Jan 10 13:10:35 <Coryn> anyone in here making any money by selling apps on google play?
Jan 10 13:11:21 <shineworld> -1
Jan 10 13:11:55 <compac> I was reading a few threads about that yesterday and some people do report that they make some money, around $50 a month. Beer money but still.
Jan 10 13:12:08 <Coryn> hmmm
Jan 10 13:12:26 <Coryn> worth giving it a try? You just need to upload some .apk to google play, right?
Jan 10 13:12:33 <Coryn> anyone tried it?
Jan 10 13:13:03 <compac> I don't think it's worth it if you're in it for the money.
Jan 10 13:13:24 <Coryn> why not?
Jan 10 13:13:26 <compac> I mean if you want to make money from your apps.
Jan 10 13:13:38 <compac> Because few people can live off their apps.
Jan 10 13:13:47 <shineworld> I don't know if "relative cost" for so little earn volumes can give some advantages... open a money channel open new taxes issues to solve... at least in my country...
Jan 10 13:14:18 <compac> shineworld, In EU?
Jan 10 13:14:21 <Coryn> what's 'relative cost'?
Jan 10 13:14:22 <shineworld> Italy
Jan 10 13:14:32 <compac> That's interesting, I'm from Italy too
Jan 10 13:14:40 <compac> I didn't even thought about taxes.
Jan 10 13:15:21 <Catharsis> Can I swear in here?
Jan 10 13:15:28 <compac> Don't you have to earn more than 400 euros to pay taxes? That's what someone from Spain was saying.
Jan 10 13:15:48 <Catharsis> Serious question btw!
Jan 10 13:15:56 <Coryn> so if your earn 1$ (optimistic) for each sale, and you sell 1000 copies (highly unlikely), you won't make much anyway.
Jan 10 13:15:56 <shineworld> you know that paypal or any other amount is tracked by services... when you reach a 1000E of volume you are "TRACKED" and if you go over you have to have a P.IVA and pay related costs which are over the gain
Jan 10 13:16:21 <Catharsis> Okay I won't swear but excuse me for a second..
Jan 10 13:16:27 * Catharsis does a happy dance
Jan 10 13:16:35 <Catharsis> It works!!! Woooooohoooo
Jan 10 13:16:36 <shineworld> if you sell 1.000.0000 app at $1 isn't a TRUE problem however :)
Jan 10 13:17:08 <Catharsis> Have no idea if it's the "right" way to do it but it works !!
Jan 10 13:17:12 <Coryn> selling 1.000.000 copies. Now how did angry bird succeed doing that?
Jan 10 13:17:26 <compac> How much do you have to pay for 1000 euros ? After google takes its cut.
Jan 10 13:17:31 <Coryn> I mean.. how do you make an app that sells over 1M copies?
Jan 10 13:17:50 <Coryn> compac: estimate guess: you'll keep 50% in the end
Jan 10 13:18:06 <Coryn> compac: google only shows you YOUR earning, after they've taken their cut.
Jan 10 13:18:08 <shineworld> I my contry till 3.500E you don't need a P.IVA but you have to pay at least 34% of taxes
Jan 10 13:18:08 <Mavrik> Coryn, you fail alot.
Jan 10 13:18:10 <compac> Coryn, That was my guess too
Jan 10 13:18:15 <compac> That's a lot
Jan 10 13:18:19 <Mavrik> you fail year after year after year
Jan 10 13:18:22 <compac> (of taxes)
Jan 10 13:18:25 <Mavrik> until you finally polish it :)
Jan 10 13:18:39 <j4hr0m> why is it important to always call the superclass in android activity methods?
Jan 10 13:18:53 <daivyk> hi, is there a channel for IOIO ?
Jan 10 13:19:03 <shineworld> IOIO :) great object
Jan 10 13:19:17 <daivyk> hehehe
Jan 10 13:19:18 <shineworld> do you use it in AOA mode ?
Jan 10 13:19:19 <Mavrik> j4hr0m, because superclasses also do initialization stuff
Jan 10 13:19:25 <shineworld> +1
Jan 10 13:19:26 <Mavrik> check out the source :)
Jan 10 13:19:47 <Catharsis> Okay gitHub checkin time...
Jan 10 13:19:50 <j4hr0m> Mavrik: what initialization stuff?
Jan 10 13:19:55 <shineworld> because Java isn't C++ (which call inherited by default)
Jan 10 13:20:12 <Catharsis> Quick before I break it again
Jan 10 13:20:26 <Coryn> so.. can you add crappy app after crappy app to google play? Like, produce 1/day? Aren't there any quality check first, before they're published on google play?
Jan 10 13:20:54 <shineworld> daivyk, IOIO have a google group
Jan 10 13:21:22 <daivyk> shineworld: ahnn ok!
Jan 10 13:21:35 <shineworld> I'm with hands in AOA too
Jan 10 13:22:06 <daivyk> AOA ?
Jan 10 13:22:34 <shineworld> Android Open Accessory Mode (the way which IOIO use to communicate with Android target)
Jan 10 13:22:52 <Coryn> Do you have to own a company to sell apps?
Jan 10 13:23:15 <compac> No Coryn
Jan 10 13:23:41 <shineworld> +1
Jan 10 13:23:42 <daivyk> shineworld: ahnn.. im new to IOIO, i am only doing the software part, i am trying to use IOIO + GPS but the phone is freezing the UI.. hehehe and i dont know why! the IOIO keeps responding.. wierd
Jan 10 13:24:00 <rhcake> do fragments have any event that's called when they're brought back from the backstack? it looks like every fragment in the stack is active at once
Jan 10 13:24:27 <shineworld> daivyk, what version of IOIO are you using (1st or 2nd ) ?
Jan 10 13:24:39 <daivyk> shineworld: IOIO-OTG
Jan 10 13:24:59 <shineworld> so you know that to work fine you have to disable DEBUG - USB mode .... sigh
Jan 10 13:25:25 <Coryn> if I add an app on google play today.. for how long will it be profitable (if it were in the first place)? Are apps something that has to be 'fresh and new' all the time?
Jan 10 13:25:33 <shineworld> IOIO-OTG use USB to communicate in AOA mode (if your android is > 4.2.1)
Jan 10 13:25:50 <shineworld> so you can't debug an app ....
Jan 10 13:26:23 <shineworld> to develop you have to use BlueTooth in IOIO, and load IOIOBT module
Jan 10 13:26:36 <shineworld> the system is slow but you can develop....
Jan 10 13:26:47 <daivyk> shineworld: hummm.. let me see, the phone is a samsung gt-s5301b
Jan 10 13:27:11 <Catharsis> Right bed time for me peeps, happy developing, going to end today on a high :)
Jan 10 13:27:14 <daivyk> shineworld: yes, i have tried to connect via tcpip but the IOIO socket always connects to it... yeah.. i can't debug
Jan 10 13:27:17 <daivyk> hehehehe
Jan 10 13:27:20 <funkbox> Coryn: chacnes are it will never be profitable
Jan 10 13:27:21 <Sirolf> has anyone here ever used in-app purchase?
Jan 10 13:27:25 <Sirolf> as a dev I mean ;)
Jan 10 13:27:37 <funkbox> Sirolf: yes, i've spend way too much money on fifa
Jan 10 13:27:52 <Sirolf> lol
Jan 10 13:27:59 <daivyk> shineworld: i think the phone is not strong enought to handle gps + ioio.. so it dies.. huauhahua
Jan 10 13:28:17 <Sirolf> ever developed in app-purchase functionality yourself I mean?
Jan 10 13:28:18 <shineworld> daivyk, YOU can debug with TCP/IP and IOIO using USB like an Accessory Device BUT every time you connect the IOIO to device or device enter in accessory MODE you have to call ADB reconnect
Jan 10 13:28:35 <shineworld> because entering in Android Accessory Mode RESET the adb debugger
Jan 10 13:28:37 <shineworld> service
Jan 10 13:28:44 <daivyk> shineworld: ahnn.. so that's why! nice to know. thanks
Jan 10 13:29:26 <Sirolf> Coryn ... if you want to earn money ... go to school and get a real job ;-)
Jan 10 13:30:11 <shineworld> daivyk, I know IOIO guys wrote a java BRIDGE program to simplify debug using a LINUX machine how middle man between IOIO and Android... in this way you can use debug ....
Jan 10 13:30:44 <shineworld> I've do same thing in a my project where I've left IOIO and used a my "TOY" using a RENESAS CHIP
Jan 10 13:31:06 <shineworld> https://github.com/shineworld/uartaccessory
Jan 10 13:31:28 <daivyk> shineworld: is there a way to avoid the asking permission on using a usb accessory ? because the phone will be on a bike for tracking and no human interaction is going to be possible, in debug mode there is no popup, but on normal mode there is.
Jan 10 13:31:52 <shineworld> in this sample I've used a linux program to do the ACCESSORY DEVICE which emulate a Android -> AOA -> USB cable -> LINUX -> USB to UART -> customer device with UART interface
Jan 10 13:32:39 <daivyk> nice
Jan 10 13:32:44 <shineworld> you will have the asking permission only the first time .... then, if you select the checkbox, you set it like preferred AP
Jan 10 13:33:11 <shineworld> but you have to implement the right BroadcastReceiver to manage permission request
Jan 10 13:33:36 <Coryn> Sirolf: I'm in school, but I need some extra money
Jan 10 13:33:45 <shineworld> look at: https://github.com/shineworld/uartaccessory/blob/master/android/UartAccessoryTest/src/it/shineworld/uartaccessorytest/MainActivity.java
Jan 10 13:33:48 <shineworld> there is a sample
Jan 10 13:33:51 <daivyk> shineworld: insert the intent-filter for accessory probably
Jan 10 13:34:40 <shineworld> and over all mark the activity like "android:launchMode="singleTask" to avoid the app reload/restart every time you remove the AOA connection
Jan 10 13:34:42 <Sirolf> Coryn ... just develop a brilliant new app ;) it'll pay out
Jan 10 13:35:42 <daivyk> shineworld: right now i am using IOIO with the IOIOService
Jan 10 13:36:10 <shineworld> daivyk, in early stage I've used a IOIO to add UART feature to android devices without USB HOST features... then I've used a my board to do same with minor costs...
Jan 10 13:36:24 <daivyk> shineworld: but i am monitoring for IOIO disconnect, so i send an alarm to restart the service, it is working pretty fine
Jan 10 13:37:19 <shineworld> :) IOIO simplify the disconnect phases because have inner a good workaround about an important issue in AOA android framework layer
Jan 10 13:38:25 <daivyk> shineworld: yeah, it works pretty well, everytime it calls the callback
Jan 10 13:38:35 <shineworld> yes... good toy
Jan 10 13:42:41 <daivyk> shineworld: even with the debug disabled the UI blank.. it think that everything is working, but i lost the screen feedback, if i press the back button it beeps with the default sound, the IOIO is fleshing the LED to infor it is connected.. so i think that everything is working fine, but the screen dead.. hehehe!!
Jan 10 13:43:25 <shineworld> - enable TCP/IP Debug
Jan 10 13:43:43 <daivyk> shineworld: i am going to do it now.. Android 4.0.4
Jan 10 13:43:49 <daivyk> on phone
Jan 10 13:44:05 <shineworld> ah 4.0.4 should work in two ways:
Jan 10 13:44:16 <shineworld> 1 - if Debug is ON the IOIO works in ADB client mode
Jan 10 13:44:27 <shineworld> 2 - if Debug is OFF the IOIO worls in AOA mode
Jan 10 13:44:58 <shineworld> try to do a "adb logcat | grep accessory
Jan 10 13:45:07 <shineworld> to catch if you are using the AOA mode
Jan 10 13:45:29 <daivyk> shineworld: but when i enable tcp ip and disconnect from pc and connect to the board and i start the service, ioio does not connect
Jan 10 13:46:22 <shineworld> use ADB in usb mode, connect your phone at PC and try ADB logcat | grep accessory
Jan 10 13:46:55 <shineworld> is important to know what type of "communication" media is using IOIO
Jan 10 13:47:50 <shineworld> if none "accessory" line was cough your job will be simplified a lot
Jan 10 13:51:18 <shineworld> In "poor" words to understand why your main thread (UI) frozen you have to have a minimal debug feature.
Jan 10 13:51:18 <lacx> off-topic but would appreciate opinions: I have been asked for a job to explain my experience with "high-traffic" websites. Obviously thats a pretty vague and ambiguous question, how could you define "high-traffic"?
Jan 10 13:53:09 <funkbox> lacx: "high traffic" is usually in the context of whomever is asking. everyone thinks their site is high traffic
Jan 10 13:54:40 <lacx> thanks funkbox
Jan 10 13:54:53 <lacx> I was thinking similar
Jan 10 14:01:33 <tonySoprano9099> hello guys
Jan 10 14:02:29 <tonySoprano9099> whenever I return to an activity using finish() and inside the returned to activity I had a listview,, why do the items of the listview return null ? for example when trying to get them from layoutinflator
Jan 10 14:02:49 <tonySoprano9099> public void onItemClick(AdapterView<?> parent, View view, int position, long id)
Jan 10 14:03:13 <tonySoprano9099> TextView tv = view.findViewById(R.id.textview) returns null
Jan 10 14:04:36 <jonc> tonySoprano9099, it means in view it cannot find a view by the id R.id.textview
Jan 10 14:04:55 <jonc> find a View*
Jan 10 14:04:56 <tonySoprano9099> jonc, exactly.. but why ?
Jan 10 14:04:58 <tonySoprano9099> shouldnt it ?
Jan 10 14:05:08 <tonySoprano9099> the listview is not null tho, as i checked
Jan 10 14:05:57 <jonc> the listview is not null, but is the list view populated and does it have a TextView with id=textview in it?
Jan 10 14:06:34 <jonc> the onItemClick function returns the view that is clicked (view of the item in the listview)
Jan 10 14:06:52 <jonc> bad wording, it does not return, it sends as an argument
Jan 10 14:07:32 <tonySoprano9099> jonc, yes, let me redecribe what is happening in detail.
Jan 10 14:07:48 <funkbox> tonySoprano9099: the view does not contain R.id.textview
Jan 10 14:08:03 <tonySoprano9099> funkbox, i know, but shouldnt it ?
Jan 10 14:08:04 <funkbox> tonySoprano9099: post your code
Jan 10 14:08:18 <tonySoprano9099> funkbox, ok let me paste in pastebin
Jan 10 14:09:14 <tonySoprano9099> but before that, (as the code has many classes and I cant share all of it), let me try explaining it here.
Jan 10 14:09:37 <tonySoprano9099> I have an activity A that has a listview... when I enter it, it functions normaly.. as I can see the items in the list and can press on them and get appropriate actions.
Jan 10 14:10:05 <tonySoprano9099> In my layout, I also have a button, when I click it takes me to another activity.
Jan 10 14:10:09 <tonySoprano9099> lets call it B
Jan 10 14:10:53 <tonySoprano9099> now, whenever I call finish() inside B, I get back to A (as expected) and I still dont get ANR, however, once I click on the listview, a NPE is popping.
Jan 10 14:10:56 <Coryn> can you spam googe play with some quick coded apps, and hope to make some $$?
Jan 10 14:13:25 <fmj47> tonySoprano9099: check the logs, you should see a stack dump
Jan 10 14:14:26 <fmj47> my guess is that when you reload state for activity A, you're not setting everything back properly.
Jan 10 14:14:32 <tonySoprano9099> fmj47, I have. It points me to the checkbox that is null. (which I already know)
Jan 10 14:14:42 <tonySoprano9099> fmj47, thats what I am thinking also.
Jan 10 14:15:01 <tonySoprano9099> fmj47, I took most of the code inside onResume(), however, still the same.
Jan 10 14:15:19 <tonySoprano9099> as onResume gets called after getting back from the finish.
Jan 10 14:20:25 <daivyk> shineworld: i am trying now what you said, grep accessory, nothing prints on screen, phone connected to usb on pc
Jan 10 14:21:31 <Coryn> should I just forget this app-dev thing?
Jan 10 14:22:16 <tonySoprano9099> Coryn, yes.
Jan 10 14:22:34 <tonySoprano9099> Unless you love it. Then no.
Jan 10 14:23:30 <tonySoprano9099> fmj47, jonc, funkbox, the issue is solved :) thanks for the tips.
Jan 10 14:23:34 <shineworld> daivyk, ok, if you not rebooted phone by last IOIO connection and you don't get any "accessory" text in logcat mean that IOIO is connecting in ADB client mode otherwise you should found something like "D/UsbDeviceManager(  358): entering USB accessory mode: UsbAccessory[mManufacturer=SHINE, mModel=Android Accessory Emulator, mDescription=SHINE Android Accessory Emulator, mVersion=1.0, mUri=https://github.com/shineworld/uartaccessory, mSerial=SH
Jan 10 14:23:34 <shineworld> INE Emulator]" (PS: related to IOIO info obviously)
Jan 10 14:24:14 <daivyk> shineworld: i rebooted.. so thats why
Jan 10 14:24:25 <shineworld> arhg....
Jan 10 14:24:46 <daivyk> but now i am trying to see the log on console using tcp
Jan 10 14:24:50 <shineworld> ... I know... to start with AOA and IOIO isn't so simple....
Jan 10 14:29:06 <daivyk> shineworld: D/IOIOConnectionRegistry( 3971): Successfully added bootstrap class: ioio.lib.android.accessory.AccessoryConnectionBootstrap
Jan 10 14:29:29 <daivyk> shineworld: D/AccessoryIOIOConnection( 3971): No accessory found.
Jan 10 14:29:41 <daivyk> with tcp enabled I can't connect to IOIO
Jan 10 14:31:00 <shineworld> the rule is:
Jan 10 14:31:09 <shineworld> android < 4.1.2:
Jan 10 14:31:45 <shineworld> - debug mode ON which mean that IOIO works like an ADB client emulator (emulate a PC ADB calls)... Very dangerous in terms of safety and slow speed
Jan 10 14:32:12 <shineworld> - debug mode OFF which mean that IOIO works like an Android Accessory Device. Safety and fast speed
Jan 10 14:32:28 <shineworld> android >= 4.1.2
Jan 10 14:32:34 <daivyk> shineworld: but is it possible to connect o adb via tcp with debug off ?
Jan 10 14:32:41 <shineworld> nope...
Jan 10 14:33:00 <daivyk> ok
Jan 10 14:33:02 <shineworld> debug on run the adbd (daemon) responsable of adb
Jan 10 14:33:08 <shineworld> so
Jan 10 14:33:23 <shineworld> when you use IOIO in AOA mode you LOST ADB
Jan 10 14:33:39 <shineworld> the only whay to debug it is to use a BlueTooth dongle in IOIO
Jan 10 14:33:59 <shineworld> you have to import IOIOBT library in project
Jan 10 14:34:12 <shineworld> and use a compatible BT 3.0 dongle in IOIO USB port
Jan 10 14:34:56 <daivyk> hummm.. ok! actually i already have the 3 libs added.. LibBT, LibAndroid, LibAccessory
Jan 10 14:35:05 <shineworld> I think develop an android APP (overall an app which is connected to an external board like IOIO or Arduino) without debug is a very HARD JOB
Jan 10 14:35:18 <shineworld> ok, do you have a BT dongle ?
Jan 10 14:36:05 <daivyk> i think i can get one, but i connect the phone via usb to the IOIO
Jan 10 14:36:53 <shineworld> this was my way to develop with IOIO:
Jan 10 14:37:23 <shineworld> - Android tablet with 4.2.2 + LibBT on app
Jan 10 14:37:32 <shineworld> - Android usb connect to PC to develop
Jan 10 14:37:38 <shineworld> - IOIO with BT dongle
Jan 10 14:38:43 <shineworld> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c8ygf02iquwbs0y/IMG_20140110_153553.jpg
Jan 10 14:39:14 <shineworld> so IOIO "talk" to Android using BT flow leaving ADB to use USB
Jan 10 14:39:17 <daivyk> shineworld: so you talked with the IOIO via BT, right ? your tablet connected to IOIO via BT and you tablet connected via usb printing on logcat
Jan 10 14:39:33 <shineworld> when program is finished you can simply remove BT dongle and connect USB to IOIO without any change
Jan 10 14:40:06 <Lafi> hey, if anyone has any idea how a web app can force the screen from turning off that would be great :p
Jan 10 14:40:36 <Lafi> or alternatively allow gps and cpu usage ( I don't think it's possible )
Jan 10 14:40:47 <daivyk> shineworld: ok, i few question just to clarify.
Jan 10 14:40:58 <Lafi> m.youtube.com keeps the screen on while video is playing..
Jan 10 14:41:04 <shineworld> yes I've used IOIO with BT just for simplify develop
Jan 10 14:42:22 <daivyk> shineworld: you devel app on pc + tablet via usb. ioio + bt. app running you receive via adb from usb, but how you connect to ioio? tablet BT enabled an connected to ioio ?
Jan 10 14:43:22 <lacx> can you execute methods ina fragment from ouside the fragment?
Jan 10 14:43:31 <funkbox> on a kindle, is there a way to get a user's email?
Jan 10 14:43:37 <lacx> i.e. from the MainActivity
Jan 10 14:43:42 <funkbox> like GET_ACCOUNTS
Jan 10 14:44:43 <shineworld> daivyk, when io attach a BT dongle in IOIO and you power it you can discover it with tablet BT features and PAIR it using the code specified in IOIO wiki documentation (I don't remember if is 1234)
Jan 10 14:45:55 <daivyk> shineworld: ok, thanks! because as you can see, this way is a development like writing the code and flying at the same time.. and the plane always crash and you dont know why... hehehehe!!
Jan 10 14:47:14 <shineworld> yeah... infact, tired to this debugging way I've made a mine board to avoid that... so I use a Linux program how BRIDGE to get ADB working in AOA mode :)
Jan 10 14:47:24 <shineworld> but this is another history :)
Jan 10 14:50:43 <Chainfire> so, Play Service should be updated to 4.1 with a new Drive API ... can't find it though - anyone ?
Jan 10 14:52:00 <daivyk> shineworld: pro.. :)
Jan 10 14:57:48 <daivyk> shineworld: i am goint now to a friends house to pickup the BT dongle.. brb!
Jan 10 15:01:55 <BrutusBoots> anyone here do any work with the multimedia framework? specifically stagefright
Jan 10 15:02:41 <lacx> How do you get data INTO a Fragment? i.e. I have a dynamic array of values I would like to provide to the Adapter being instantiated in the Fragment, but not sure how/if I should be calling Fragment methods (someone on SO said it was bad practice/tight coupling)
Jan 10 15:03:29 <lacx> ive used it fro Audio/Video recording BrutusBoots..
Jan 10 15:03:33 <sabton> lacx how do you get data into ANY class?
Jan 10 15:03:34 <lacx> for*
Jan 10 15:04:03 <lacx> constructor/getSet
Jan 10 15:04:11 <sabton> no diff. for frags
Jan 10 15:04:14 <BrutusBoots> lacx: I'm looking to see if I can figure out some stats from playing a stream.. like frames dropped, played, etc
Jan 10 15:04:28 <alexfu> lacx: use the factory pattern and create a static method which creates a new instance of your fragment as well as a bundle to store your arguments. then call Fragment#setArguments passing in the Bundle
Jan 10 15:05:49 <sabton> why cant he just pass args into the static factory method?
Jan 10 15:06:00 <alexfu> sabton: thats what i meant
Jan 10 15:06:11 <sabton> oh ok
Jan 10 15:06:24 <alexfu> sabton: pass it into the static factory method, then pass it into a Bundle
Jan 10 15:06:26 <lacx> fair enough BrutusBoots I have also been doing streaming! Its fun when it works! I notice in LogCat (all messages) - after stopping with stop() BrutusBoots there is some info on recieved/dropped frames, that must be accessible from the sdk!
Jan 10 15:06:39 <sabton> lacx: and note the factory approach is because your fragments needs a default ctor, but your initialization needs may need to pass args
Jan 10 15:06:51 <lacx> thanks guys alexfu, sabton
Jan 10 15:07:22 <BrutusBoots> lacx: I've been digging through the sdk but can't seem to find anything to get those stats... I see AwesomePlayer maintains the stats but can't seem to figure out how to get my hands on them
Jan 10 15:07:26 <lacx> Yea my Fragments currently do nnot have default constructors
Jan 10 15:08:03 <lacx> im defining the fragment in layout XML and not manually 'constructing' it..
Jan 10 15:08:08 <lacx> so I was confused
Jan 10 15:08:27 <lacx> thats wierd BrutusBoots I assumed they would be there..
Jan 10 15:09:30 <lacx> never tried that method tho alexfu  thanks, is there Android docs for tht?
Jan 10 15:09:59 <BrutusBoots> lacx: the MediaPlayer in the SDK is extremely light on any sort of statistics
Jan 10 15:10:50 <lacx> yea BrutusBoots luckily I dont need stats (yet!), other way to do it maybe with ffmpeg on the target side?
Jan 10 15:12:48 <alexfu> lacx: https://gist.github.com/alexfu/8356042
Jan 10 15:14:06 <alexfu> lacx: getInstance should actually be renamed to newInstance since it's creating a new one each time
Jan 10 15:14:06 <lacx> thanks alexfu! legend X)
Jan 10 15:14:17 <lacx> i get ya
Jan 10 15:14:50 <BrutusBoots> lacx: still hoping I can stumble upon something in here that will give me some kind of info.  I'm surprised the MediaPlayer doesn't provide any stats
Jan 10 15:16:09 <alexfu> lacx: i also forgot the return statement in the factory method
Jan 10 15:18:06 <lacx> what should it be alexfu?
Jan 10 15:18:16 <alexfu> lacx: i updated the gist
Jan 10 15:18:18 <lacx> abv not this.xyx
Jan 10 15:18:24 <lacx> thanx
Jan 10 15:38:56 <pellis> I'm trying to adapt shipfaster to gradle - but tests are not going well. anyone tried this or have an idea why robolectric doesn't work well with gradle? (shipfaster: https://github.com/pyricau/shipfaster)
Jan 10 15:43:32 <Coryn> being a hacker doesn't grant you any "automatic" money it seems :(. I want to have a service that brings me money in the background. :3 how do you do that? By making Youtube videos?
Jan 10 15:44:26 <jonc> You have to put something out that people will spend money or time on
Jan 10 15:44:58 <jonc> and sometimes even if you put something out that is worth money or time, it does not mean people will actually know about it and spend time / money on it
Jan 10 15:46:39 <Coryn> :(
Jan 10 15:46:50 <Coryn> I need a way to finance my  studies, online
Jan 10 15:47:47 <Coryn> they withdrew my school-money-support-whatever this semester
Jan 10 15:48:06 * evanc | school-money-support-whatever.
Jan 10 15:49:32 <ironmarx> Mornin'
Jan 10 15:50:17 <jalcine> anyone here happen to work with the ouya? If so, how do you connect Android apps with the OUYA?
Jan 10 15:50:21 <jalcine> like a companion kind of thing.
Jan 10 15:51:15 <alexfu> jacky: is that a dev question?
Jan 10 15:51:36 <alexfu> jacky: if not #android may be a better place to ask
Jan 10 15:51:42 <jacky> slighty ;) I'm looking for a proper means of communicating with the OUYA from a mobile device.
Jan 10 15:51:50 <jacky> Any recommended practices and/or libraries
Jan 10 15:52:06 <jacky> I typically have lines of codes but today's an exception :$
Jan 10 15:52:46 <alexfu> jacky: seems like they have a dev kit.
Jan 10 15:53:06 <jacky> right; but it's for building apps on their platform
Jan 10 15:53:17 <jonc> jacky, not sure if the OUYA has bluetooth, but potentially could do that
Jan 10 15:53:21 <jacky> I'm looking to communicate with the OUYA itself, if that make senses.
Jan 10 15:53:28 <jacky> It does; the controllers work using that
Jan 10 15:53:53 <jonc> Do you want an app running on the OUYA that you communicate with and does things?
Jan 10 15:53:55 <jacky> ah I see what you're getting at
Jan 10 15:53:58 <alexfu> jacky: so you're looking for a way to control the ouya via mobile phone?
Jan 10 15:54:17 <jonc> I don
Jan 10 15:54:18 <jacky> alexfu: more or less but like on a RPC kind of level
Jan 10 15:54:39 <jonc> I don't know if they have any sort of control API
Jan 10 15:54:47 <jacky> jonc: it seems like either having a daemon/service listening for input or using bluetooth may be necessary
Jan 10 15:55:24 <jonc> Yup
Jan 10 15:55:41 <jacky> thanks guys
Jan 10 15:55:43 <jacky> just need a bit of direction
Jan 10 15:55:57 <jonc> you could also write a server that accepts tcp connections
Jan 10 15:56:23 <jacky> that seems like the most sane route
Jan 10 15:56:31 <jacky> Might use ZeroMQ for that
Jan 10 15:56:36 * jacky is familiar with it
Jan 10 15:56:41 <_genuser_> hey guys, seeing an interesting issue. listadapter for a listview only shows one item.
Jan 10 15:56:56 <_genuser_> getCount returns 4. but getView is only called once with position 0.
Jan 10 15:58:01 <alexfu> _genuser_: you sure you're adapter is accessing the same object as you had intended?
Jan 10 15:58:33 <_genuser_> alexfu: yes, I think so. IN the Adapter constructor, I'm using Log.i("", mWorkers.size()); and it's showing me 4.
Jan 10 15:58:48 <_genuser_> alexfu: in getCount() I'm also logging the .size() that I'm returning and it's 4.
Jan 10 15:58:58 <alexfu> _genuser_: post your adapter code as well as the code where you set the adapter
Jan 10 15:59:01 <pfn> then view 1-3 are not visible
Jan 10 15:59:04 <pfn> so it doesn't retrieve those
Jan 10 15:59:12 <_genuser_> alexfu: cool.
Jan 10 15:59:33 <alexfu> pfn: it's only 4 items... i doubt his/her screen is so small it can only show 1 item.
Jan 10 15:59:50 <pfn> depends on how big those items are
Jan 10 15:59:59 <pfn> it's not like listview items are always just tiny things
Jan 10 16:00:11 <alexfu> pfn: true.. but a row size that huge is a bit absurd lol
Jan 10 16:00:24 <pfn> not really
Jan 10 16:00:57 <alexfu> pfn: i suppose if it's a completely custom and doesn't really represent your usual listview
Jan 10 16:02:33 <eghdk> There's a tool for iOS where I can draw a shape, and it will output the code into stuff similar to paint and canvas in android. Does anyone know of a tool like this for android? I'm having trouble drawing rounded corners and straight lines in one image.
Jan 10 16:05:27 <_genuser_> alexfu: http://pastebin.com/yh6JVag7   <- adapter code.
Jan 10 16:06:23 <_genuser_> alexfu: assigning it using:            mWorkers.setAdapter(new WorkersListAdapter(getActivity(), UserWorkers.mWorkers));
Jan 10 16:07:01 <Sirolf> LIFE is good!!! I just wasted half a day because I didn't copy the Base64 key from developers console completely... Weeeeeee! :D
Jan 10 16:07:30 <_genuser_> Sirolf: a day spent coding. :)
Jan 10 16:07:43 <Sirolf> better take copy/paste away from my resume ;)
Jan 10 16:08:06 <_genuser_> Sirolf: I copy/pasted a working adapter and it doesn't work in teh new list.
Jan 10 16:08:26 <_genuser_> Sirolf: copy/paste is betraying us.
Jan 10 16:08:56 <SimonVT> And UserWorkers.mWorkers has 4 items in it when you create the adapter?
Jan 10 16:09:10 <_genuser_> SimonVT: yes sir!
Jan 10 16:09:46 <pfn> how about when you actually set the adapter
Jan 10 16:09:58 <_genuser_> http://pastebin.com/NVuTpkUv
Jan 10 16:10:26 <_genuser_> that's the LogCat output. I print out the Workers name in the constructor of the listadapter.
Jan 10 16:10:44 <_genuser_> I also print out using log.i the count being retruned in getCount, it says 4 also.
Jan 10 16:10:48 <Sirolf> and what is the problem _genuser_?
Jan 10 16:11:27 <_genuser_> Sirolf: .setAdapter(this_adapter) on teh listview and it only shows 1 item. getView() is only called once for position 0.
Jan 10 16:11:54 <Sirolf> ok
Jan 10 16:12:22 <alexfu> _genuser_: can you also post your ListActivity/Activity/Fragment/ListFragment that's using the adapter?
Jan 10 16:12:48 <_genuser_> alexfu: I assume you only care about the blurb setting the adapter?
Jan 10 16:12:56 <SimonVT> Either your list is scrollable or there's only 1 item in the mWorkers when the adapter is set
Jan 10 16:13:00 <alexfu> _genuser_: not necessarily
Jan 10 16:13:16 <_genuser_> listview declaration. might be off here then.
Jan 10 16:13:19 <_genuser_> <ListView android:id="@+id/workerslist" android:layout_width="fill_parent" android:layout_height="fill_parent" />
Jan 10 16:14:11 <SimonVT> Anyway, I can't ignore the rest of the code.. You shouldn't keep a static reference to your layoutinflater and you have to set the data in getView even if convertView is not null
Jan 10 16:14:14 <Sirolf> we need the activity which uses the adapter
Jan 10 16:14:37 <SimonVT> And pass the parent to inflater#inflate
Jan 10 16:14:44 <_genuser_> SimonVT: so just remove the reference to convertView==null?
Jan 10 16:15:10 <_genuser_> if I need to return one view always and it will always be the same, I think then I should remove that check.
Jan 10 16:15:14 <SimonVT> Create view when null, set data always
Jan 10 16:15:42 <_genuser_> SimonVT: I see. wasn't thinking clearly. let me fix that bit. and re run it once.
Jan 10 16:15:58 <thykka> has anyone succesfully installed android ADT bundle on Ubuntu 13+?
Jan 10 16:16:11 <SimonVT> That's not your issue tho.. I'd imagine that's elsewhere in your code
Jan 10 16:16:24 <Sirolf> probably in the activity _genuser_
Jan 10 16:16:37 <alexfu> _genuser_: post your Activity/Fragment class
Jan 10 16:16:39 <SimonVT> As in, outside of your adapter
Jan 10 16:18:51 <x-firez_> hi, would you mind to have a look at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21048675/multiple-asynctasks-in-android
Jan 10 16:19:13 <x-firez_> maybe some1 of you can help me with that..
Jan 10 16:19:16 <_genuser_> alexfu: coool. just thought I'd try a quick thing or two.
Jan 10 16:20:56 <Sirolf> _genuser_ does it work now? ;-)
Jan 10 16:22:20 <_genuser_> http://pastebin.com/ErZScwLw
Jan 10 16:22:31 <_genuser_> activity calling the adapter.
Jan 10 16:23:15 <alexfu> _genuser_: and how many times does populateInfo gets called?
Jan 10 16:23:28 <alexfu> _genuser_: you're setting a new Adapter each time thats called.
Jan 10 16:24:05 <_genuser_> so far it's only called once. but if I hit refresh button on the activity, it will call it again.
Jan 10 16:24:49 <alexfu> _genuser_: for starters, you should set an Adapter ONCE and then be updating it from then on...
Jan 10 16:25:27 <alexfu> _genuser_: or rather, update the backing data and then call notifyDataSetChanged on the adapter
Jan 10 16:25:28 <SimonVT> How much of the listview does the one item fill?
Jan 10 16:25:56 <_genuser_> just one row one liner for the nsame.
Jan 10 16:26:40 <alexfu> _genuser_: how tall is the actual row? less than half the screen?
Jan 10 16:26:47 <_genuser_> much less.
Jan 10 16:26:54 <_genuser_> one text box at 12sp fontsize.
Jan 10 16:28:20 <_genuser_> so I guess I'll set the listadapter onCreate and then update it and call notifydatasetchanged();
Jan 10 16:28:35 <_genuser_> let me chagne all that and see if it works.
Jan 10 16:28:51 <alexfu> _genuser_: well... you set the adapter in oncreateView since it's a fragment
Jan 10 16:36:47 <BulleTTime> hi guys,
Jan 10 16:36:53 <Sirolf> Hi ;-)
Jan 10 16:37:18 <Sirolf> the comma suggests a follow up question ..
Jan 10 16:37:27 <BulleTTime> hehe yeah:)
Jan 10 16:37:31 <Sirolf> ;-)
Jan 10 16:37:37 <BulleTTime> i want to use a native libary in eclipse, i think im almost there, but i get a error:
Jan 10 16:37:46 <BulleTTime> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unable to load native library: /data/data/com.example.com.bt.test/lib/libRenderToTexture.so
Jan 10 16:38:18 <BulleTTime> is this tipical a wrong path to libary?
Jan 10 16:38:44 <eghdk> I get a random crash from com.google.android.gms every once in a while. Something about a buffer memory leak or something. Does anyone know what that means?
Jan 10 16:40:24 <nunne> Can't get Android Studio 0.4.2 to work after update. What am I supposed to use for Gradle settings? Either in complains about I should use Gradle 1.9.. and when I download and use Gradle 1.9 it says I should use Gradle 1.8...
Jan 10 16:41:56 <BulleTTime> i added the libary using android tools that added jni folder
Jan 10 16:42:06 <x-firez_> BulleTTime: Sometimes it might help to use Project -> Clean. Helped me a few times with these kind of mistakes.
Jan 10 16:42:14 <BulleTTime> but what is the /data/data/ comming from?
Jan 10 16:42:21 <BulleTTime> where*
Jan 10 16:42:41 <x-firez_> In the top menu.
Jan 10 16:43:55 <jonc> Do videos go in the drawable folder?
Jan 10 16:44:26 <pellis> anyone using studio+gradle+robolectric?
Jan 10 16:45:56 <alexfu> jonc: i would place that in assets
Jan 10 16:46:26 <jonc> Think I just found that it is supposed to go in the raw folder
Jan 10 16:46:36 <_genuser_> ok, guys, the problem was that the list size was set to layout_height="wrap_content" and that only makes room for one row.
Jan 10 16:46:47 <_genuser_> when I changed it to 320dp, it shows all of the items.
Jan 10 16:47:05 <_genuser_> I'm not sure how to make it change its own to just display all teh rows without needing scrolling.
Jan 10 16:48:44 <autrilla> Can anyone help with integrating App Engine on Android Studio? I get this error: http://gyazo.com/3d76d417610d5414b4b8b9d2b42a3d96
Jan 10 16:53:14 <x-firez_> can anyone help me with that please? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21048675/multiple-asynctasks-in-android
Jan 10 16:55:22 * Zharf can't remember the last time he used asynctasks
Jan 10 16:55:33 <jonc> No clude x-firez_, I am bad and use other threading things
Jan 10 16:55:43 <jonc> Typically an Executor service
Jan 10 16:55:54 <x-firez_> jonc: which one?
Jan 10 16:55:58 <Zharf> I don't have a big enough screen to read the code right now
Jan 10 16:56:19 <x-firez_> Zharf: Nevermind. ;) Maybe you can read it afterwards?
Jan 10 16:56:28 <Zharf> but I generally just do threading with just normal java utilities
Jan 10 16:56:34 <jonc> Executors.newScheduledThreadPool(2); as a ScheduledExecutorService
Jan 10 16:56:43 <Zharf> x-firez_, maybe when I get home...
Jan 10 16:57:17 <alexfu> thats funny cuz AsyncTask was built to alleviate some of the pains that come w/ Java threading
Jan 10 16:57:26 <Zharf> and it sucks at it
Jan 10 16:57:27 <x-firez_> jonc: Doesn't the use of AsyncTask imply the use of such an ExecutorService?
Jan 10 16:57:30 <Zharf> threading is easy
Jan 10 16:57:54 <jonc> x-firez_, I believe AsyncTasks pull from a special thread pool
Jan 10 16:58:08 <alexfu> Zharf: what particular aspect of it does it suck?
Jan 10 16:58:12 <jonc> I think creating the thread yourself will not take from that
Jan 10 16:58:33 <alexfu> havent looked much into the implementation behind AsyncTask
Jan 10 16:58:44 <x-firez_> jonc: Okay, thx, I'll try.
Jan 10 16:59:40 <Zharf> http://bon-app-etit.blogspot.fi/2013/04/the-dark-side-of-asynctask.html?m=1
Jan 10 16:59:48 <x-firez_> What I think might be my problem is that the amount of threads doing the asynctasks.execute() stuff is limited...
Jan 10 16:59:55 <Zharf> too much to type on mobile ;)
Jan 10 17:01:05 <x-firez_> Zharf: Yeah, I read this article. This guy suggests using ThreadPoolExecutors.
Jan 10 17:01:24 <Zharf> yeah as would I
Jan 10 17:01:44 <x-firez_> As I did... But had the same reactions as described in my stackoverflow post...
Jan 10 17:02:07 <Zharf> you're probably deadlocking somehow
Jan 10 17:02:14 <x-firez_> That's why I'm really getting crazy because I run out of possibilities. :)
Jan 10 17:02:38 <x-firez_> Had the same thought, but doesn't seems so...
Jan 10 17:03:48 <jonc> anyone know of a way to make a videoview not start black and resize before the video is loaded?
Jan 10 17:03:58 <JeremieDeNoob> http://pastie.org/8621079  im trying to create a new fragment with certain state to start. but it seems the bundle is null in the onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState){} function... im probably doing somethign terribly wrong
Jan 10 17:04:52 <Zharf> jonc, it's a surfaceview thing that I wouild like to know a workaround as well, but I'm living with it for now...
Jan 10 17:05:59 <eghdk> egh
Jan 10 17:07:38 <JeremieDeNoob> I would suspect this woudl be a straightforward issue for any half decent android programmer in here :)
Jan 10 17:08:03 <SimonVT> You set arguments with setArguments and you get arguments with getArguments
Jan 10 17:08:28 <JeremieDeNoob> well now that you put it that way... im probably an idiot
Jan 10 17:08:37 <JeremieDeNoob> so what is the saved instance state then? how would i set that?
Jan 10 17:08:56 <Zharf> onsaveinstancestate
Jan 10 17:09:11 <JeremieDeNoob> oh i see
Jan 10 17:10:00 <JeremieDeNoob> so is using setargument,getarguments and oncreate a safe/proper way to set the base state of the fragment
Jan 10 17:10:27 <SimonVT> yep
Jan 10 17:10:36 <Zharf> sure
Jan 10 17:11:27 <JeremieDeNoob> ok thanks guys!
Jan 10 17:11:42 <JeremieDeNoob> those android kids arent as bad as the iphone guys claim  ;)
Jan 10 17:12:12 <JeremieDeNoob> why cant we all just be friends
Jan 10 17:12:44 <jonc> I develop for android but have an iPhone, but not a fan of apple and apple fanboys
Jan 10 17:14:03 <jonc> doing things on old android phones made me not like it so much (a lot of the hacks put in place to bring new features to the older versions)
Jan 10 17:14:22 <jonc> Now if you are only developing for like ICS+ it's much much nicer
Jan 10 17:18:06 <autrilla> Can anyone help with integrating App Engine on Android Studio? I get this error: http://gyazo.com/3d76d417610d5414b4b8b9d2b42a3d96
Jan 10 17:20:30 <BulleTTime> anyone know how to code with native inside eclipse im a little stuck
Jan 10 17:26:21 <autrilla> Apparently I need to use maven
Jan 10 17:32:02 <_genuser_> ok, so my listadapter was working fine. rather it's the listview that's not setup correctly.
Jan 10 17:32:34 <_genuser_> if I use layout_height="fill_parent" it just shows 1 row. If I use layout_height="0dp" with layout_weight="1" it does the same.
Jan 10 17:32:48 <BulleTTime> is it able to load native c++ code and then create the main class?
Jan 10 17:32:59 <_genuser_> but if I set the height to 200dp it makes it big enough to show multiple rows.
Jan 10 17:33:39 <evanc> _genuser_: pastebin you layout XML (both the listview and the row)
Jan 10 17:33:41 <_genuser_> the ListView is enclosed in a LinearyLayout and then in a ScrollView which are both set to wrap_content.
Jan 10 17:33:55 <_genuser_> evanc: coming up
Jan 10 17:33:57 <evanc> _genuser_: ListViews do not go inside ScrollViews.
Jan 10 17:33:59 <evanc> Peroid.
Jan 10 17:34:05 <evanc> Period, too
Jan 10 17:34:08 <jonc> BulleTTime, you "can't" write an app in native C++, you can write libraries I believe, but I do not believe you can do an app in it (and release it)
Jan 10 17:34:39 <BulleTTime> yes you can, with visual studio..
Jan 10 17:34:40 <BulleTTime> ?
Jan 10 17:34:57 <BulleTTime> actualy thats why i want to do it in eclipse
Jan 10 17:35:01 <jonc> for android? Android apps run on the dalvik virtual machine
Jan 10 17:35:02 <_genuser_> evanc: hmmm, I would like the entire view to be scrollable. there's some tabular data. Then a listview to show multiple rows, and then some additional data. on smaller screens most of this might fall off screen.
Jan 10 17:35:15 <jonc> which is a java vm
Jan 10 17:35:35 <evanc> _genuser_: a ListView is already scrollable. How would this work on smaller screens?
Jan 10 17:35:35 <BulleTTime> i mean i have a app made within visual studio 2010 for android..
Jan 10 17:36:23 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: are you there? i am now with a BT dongle, is it plug-n-play? i am going to do the pairing now.. at least trying.. hehehe
Jan 10 17:36:34 <_genuser_> evanc: I was using the listview to use the adapter to add dynamic number of rows. and hoping it would set it's height to wrap_content and not need scrolling for it's own content.
Jan 10 17:37:11 <shineworld|IT> daivyk, is IOIO OTG is ready to accept a BT dongle and recognize it (if support BT 3.0 protocol)
Jan 10 17:37:43 <shineworld|IT> just attach on IOIO, powerup the hardware, turn on BT in your phone an search for devices
Jan 10 17:38:22 <shineworld|IT> then load HelloWorld sample from IOIO examples and try it
Jan 10 17:38:28 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: trying it now..
Jan 10 17:38:53 <evanc> _genuser_: wrap_content on a listview doesn't make sense, because the rows aren't inflated until they need to be (when they're shown in the window)
Jan 10 17:39:50 <_genuser_> evanc: what would the ideal UI component to show, dynamic number of rows of data and continue with more data below it?
Jan 10 17:40:07 <_genuser_> dynamically generating tablerows or somesuch?
Jan 10 17:40:31 <evanc> _genuser_: depends on how many rows we're talking about
Jan 10 17:40:59 <evanc> if it's a small number (say, < 10) just generate the tablerows. Otherwise, maybe ListView with a footer
Jan 10 17:41:03 <_genuser_> 0-10 rows. the list shows the workers for an account. could have many workers. but average is 0-10
Jan 10 17:41:17 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: damn.. i think is not compatible.. nothing!
Jan 10 17:42:05 <_genuser_> evanc: it could pose problem with listscrolling vs. scrollview scrolling, if the user is trying to scroll by tapping on listview.
Jan 10 17:42:18 <_genuser_> maybe I should just get rid of it and stick with dynamic tablerows
Jan 10 17:43:42 <evanc> _genuser_: I'm saying ditch the scrollview (or the listview)
Jan 10 17:44:06 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: http://www.iogear.com/product/GBU421/
Jan 10 17:44:07 <funkbox> what's a good pattern for communicating errors for form input?
Jan 10 17:44:08 <evanc> if you generate tablerows, ditch the listview. If you use a footer (or header), dump the scrollview
Jan 10 17:44:22 <_genuser_> scrollview is for the entire activity, which would definitely have enough data to need scrolling.
Jan 10 17:44:26 <_genuser_> so then the listview should go.
Jan 10 17:44:36 <funkbox> setError. thanks y'all
Jan 10 17:44:48 <funkbox> _genuser_: what's the setup?
Jan 10 17:44:55 <BulleTTime> lol so noone is developing apps in visual studio :P ?
Jan 10 17:44:56 <funkbox> scrollviews can be slow
Jan 10 17:45:04 <funkbox> BulleTTime: i am, but not andorid
Jan 10 17:45:07 <_genuser_> can I inflate the view I currently use for list item, into a table row?
Jan 10 17:45:13 <BulleTTime> ofcource
Jan 10 17:45:37 <BulleTTime> but i need to know something more than just loading a native libary
Jan 10 17:45:39 <_genuser_> funkbox: scrollview hosting a listview where the listview is supposed to be autosize to show all teh rows so the user doesn't know that it's a listview.
Jan 10 17:45:45 <BulleTTime> anyone has a good tutorial or?
Jan 10 17:45:49 <evanc> _genuser_: listviews, by definition, are intended for showing more data than will fit on screen. I'm saying that if you dump the scrollview, the listview would replace it.
Jan 10 17:45:51 <_genuser_> funkbox: but I see after discussing here that it might be better to ditch it.
Jan 10 17:46:03 <funkbox> _genuser_: ditch the scrollview
Jan 10 17:46:13 <jonc> You should not have a listview inside a scrollview (or the other way around)
Jan 10 17:46:15 <funkbox> having two scrolling containers in the same direction is extremely bad
Jan 10 17:46:25 <_genuser_> evanc: i under that. However, there's tables above the listview, and tables below it that have non-list data.
Jan 10 17:46:31 <funkbox> you CAN have a horizontal scroll view with listview children
Jan 10 17:46:33 <funkbox> but other than that
Jan 10 17:47:23 <_genuser_> I am really starting to understand what exactly the listview inside a scrollview would do. now I agree with you guys that it's a really problematic idea.
Jan 10 17:47:29 <nebs> I have such an abnormal aversion to tables
Jan 10 17:47:47 <_genuser_> yeah the TableLayout is really pissing me off.
Jan 10 17:48:02 <_genuser_> I have pretty much decided to use LinearLayouts instead of tables.
Jan 10 17:48:32 <_genuser_> can I dynamically add new rows to a table and inflate a view from xml layouts in it?
Jan 10 17:50:40 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: yeah. the dongle blinks for 3 seconds and then it keeps the led on, but no bluetooth device appears on the phone.. i think it is not compatible
Jan 10 17:53:50 <smallfoot-> Does nobody use ADT?
Jan 10 17:53:58 <smallfoot-> Does everyone use Android Studio?
Jan 10 17:54:24 <daivyk> shineworld|IT: thanks for the help. i am going to continue to devel without adb.. hehehe, i have to finish the project.
Jan 10 17:56:13 <smallfoot-> I added files to /storage/sdcard/Download/ but they don't show up in the Storage Access Framework activity dialog, why?
Jan 10 17:57:16 <alexfu> smallfoot-: ADT is the tools. If you develop Android apps, you use tools one way or the other.
Jan 10 17:57:59 <SimonVT> ADT is the eclipse plugin
Jan 10 17:58:13 <smallfoot-> I meant the Eclipse plugin
Jan 10 17:59:13 <alexfu> SimonVT: doesnt that seems backwards to you?
Jan 10 18:00:59 <SimonVT> It's just how eclipse plugins are named..
Jan 10 18:01:35 <SimonVT> Like the java plugin is JDT
Jan 10 18:08:02 <Emmanuel_O> hello
Jan 10 18:08:20 <_genuser_> nice. I can inflate the list_item view from xml layout into a TableRow.
Jan 10 18:08:23 <_genuser_> so listview is gone.
Jan 10 18:11:28 <nebs> hey Emmanuel_O
Jan 10 18:11:46 <Emmanuel_O> hey!
Jan 10 18:16:38 <nebs> ^^
Jan 10 18:18:50 <shineworld|IT> daivyk, blinks are right so your IOIO support it
Jan 10 18:28:13 <pellis> hello
Jan 10 18:28:35 <pellis> i can only use gradle test from command line. is there a tool to only run tests that changes automatically? like a watch mode?
Jan 10 18:29:29 <CocoStorm> How can I use the options menu from the option button on my device instead of the action bar? I can do this for andriod 3.0 and above right?
Jan 10 18:30:43 <alexfu> CocoStorm: It should take care of that for you
Jan 10 18:30:58 <CocoStorm> alexfu, how do you mean?
Jan 10 18:31:07 <alexfu> you're talking about the menu button right on your phone?
Jan 10 18:31:27 <CocoStorm> yeah
Jan 10 18:32:01 <alexfu> CocoStorm: it should automatically use that then
Jan 10 18:32:11 <CocoStorm> alexfu, ah I see awesome :)
Jan 10 18:34:40 <FireBreath> more test
Jan 10 18:37:25 <speeder> hello!
Jan 10 18:37:31 <speeder> where I find the folder where my app saves files?
Jan 10 18:37:34 <speeder> (like, savegames)
Jan 10 18:39:43 <FireBreath> Try the /android/data/ folder
Jan 10 18:39:49 <FireBreath> and go find the package name of the app you're looking for.
Jan 10 18:42:34 <speeder> thanks
Jan 10 18:42:40 <speeder> my games I use a certain SDK to make
Jan 10 18:42:52 <speeder> and even games that I don't put save games, use 6mb after launching just once
Jan 10 18:42:54 <speeder> I dunno why
Jan 10 18:43:01 <speeder> (they use 6mb + whatever else I save)
Jan 10 18:49:50 <pellis> anyone running android studio + robolectric ?
Jan 10 18:54:00 <speeder> something weird happened
Jan 10 18:54:05 <speeder> first, there is no /android/ folder
Jan 10 18:54:15 <speeder> I went into the /data/ folder and all packages were there
Jan 10 18:54:21 <speeder> I entered my package just fine
Jan 10 18:54:30 <speeder> then I entered a folder that I think was symlink to the sdcard
Jan 10 18:54:38 <speeder> now when I do to /data/ folder, there are no packages there
Jan 10 18:54:39 <speeder> wtf
Jan 10 18:54:52 <shigeru> try data/data/<your package>
Jan 10 18:56:10 <speeder> actually it is data/data
Jan 10 18:56:11 <speeder> yes
Jan 10 18:56:13 <speeder> :P
Jan 10 18:56:30 <speeder> how I see folder file size?
Jan 10 18:56:39 <speeder> there are seemly just lots of empty folders on my package
Jan 10 18:56:44 <speeder> I dunno what folder is taking random 6mb
Jan 10 18:59:07 <speeder> alright, I found my package (I am using root even), its "sandbox" files are not there...
Jan 10 18:59:10 <speeder> any other place where they might be?
Jan 10 18:59:34 <speeder> whatever place they are, android DOES know how much they take, and I can delete them with the manage apps settings menu
Jan 10 18:59:49 <smallfoot-> I added files to /storage/sdcard/Download/ but they don't show up in the Storage Access Framework activity dialog, why?
Jan 10 19:01:18 <shigeru> speeder maybe something like `du data/data/<package name>
Jan 10 19:02:32 <speeder> ah, found it :)
Jan 10 19:02:51 <speeder> thanks for the du command
Jan 10 19:03:10 <speeder> the offenders are the music files. seemly when app is in sdcard, the sdk copy all music files to the internal memory
Jan 10 19:03:34 <pellis> I'm having so much hard time with gradle.. spent entire day already
Jan 10 19:05:55 <smallfoot-> gradle is good stuff?
Jan 10 19:06:40 <marrrk> Hello my dears!
Jan 10 19:06:53 * JesusFreke is not your dear. :)
Jan 10 19:07:20 * capella I'm not your friend, pal! ;)
Jan 10 19:08:04 <smallfoot-> hello my homosexual lover!
Jan 10 19:08:29 <marrrk> Wow, that got quite a reaction
Jan 10 19:08:46 <smallfoot-> <3
Jan 10 19:08:52 <smallfoot-> I added files to /storage/sdcard/Download/ but they don't show up in the Storage Access Framework activity dialog, why?
Jan 10 19:09:27 <g00s> capella you're awake, and the sun is up … wtf !
Jan 10 19:10:22 <nebs> he means deers.  his deers.
Jan 10 19:10:41 <capella> g00s: I'm like a gerbil, always awake and hacking, unless I fall over and go to sleep
Jan 10 19:11:13 <JesusFreke> You have to code to wear down the fingernails, which continuously grow.
Jan 10 19:11:15 <marrrk> .so files are machine code right, so that's why Genymotion doesn't like them because it's x86?
Jan 10 19:11:18 <g00s> deers! http://digg.com/video/watch-this-man-call-an-entire-herd-of-deer-over-for-breakfast
Jan 10 19:11:35 <g00s> JesusFreke :)
Jan 10 19:12:02 <g00s> capella is lumpy ^^
Jan 10 19:12:13 <g00s> (from the video)
Jan 10 19:12:52 <nebs> I do that with my dragons
Jan 10 19:13:45 <nebs> tie a little feed bag on...
Jan 10 19:13:55 <nebs> he ties feed bags onto 30 deer?
Jan 10 19:14:03 <nebs> ... he has 30 feed bags?
Jan 10 19:14:08 <nebs> this man is invested.
Jan 10 19:15:49 <BrutusBoots> any stagefright gurus here?
Jan 10 19:17:11 * capella gerbils aren't lumpy, they're fluffy
Jan 10 19:19:43 <autrilla> Does anyone remember where in d.android.com do they talk about the tools they use to design icons etc? Like Photoshop, Illustrator...
Jan 10 19:20:38 <g00s> capella fluffy lumps :P
Jan 10 19:20:39 <compac> I don't remember reading about tools, the thing they've mentioned is that you should try to use vectors.
Jan 10 19:20:56 <jonc> Is the fragmentpageradapter part of the standard sdk now? or do I still have to use v4 library?
Jan 10 19:21:00 <alexfu> autrilla: i dont think they explicitly talk about design tools themselves
Jan 10 19:21:28 <autrilla> alexfu, they did somewhere... It was not explicitly about it, but they said which ones they used
Jan 10 19:21:45 <g00s> autrilla i think an i/o video they said in passing all the designers use Ps
Jan 10 19:21:50 <g00s> i think romain said that too
Jan 10 19:21:51 <alexfu> autrilla: its more than likely illustrator
Jan 10 19:21:59 <autrilla> There was another one
Jan 10 19:22:04 <compac> autrilla, http://developer.android.com/design/style/iconography.html They mentioned photoshop
Jan 10 19:22:06 <autrilla> Photoshop, Illustrator.. and one more
Jan 10 19:22:16 <compac> and illustrator apparently
Jan 10 19:22:45 <Y0sh1> maybe fireworks?
Jan 10 19:23:03 <jonc> ViewPager is extra libraries only?
Jan 10 19:23:05 <autrilla> Maybe
Jan 10 19:23:37 <alexfu> jonc: theres a v13 version which should work w/ native fragments
Jan 10 19:23:47 <alexfu> jonc: for 13+ of course
Jan 10 19:23:47 <jonc> thank you
Jan 10 19:23:55 <Y0sh1> illustrator, photoshop and fireworks are usual adobe graphics making and editing tools
Jan 10 19:24:26 <Y0sh1> hi btw, im new here :)
Jan 10 19:24:29 <g00s> i bet up until HC they use MS Paint
Jan 10 19:24:49 <alexfu> g00s: lol yeah...
Jan 10 19:25:38 <Y0sh1> i have been using android since 1.5. graphics indeed improved since then :P
Jan 10 19:26:12 <jonc> alexfu, kind of figured that, but not an issue only developing for s4 / nexus 5 atm
Jan 10 19:29:59 <BulleTTime> guys man.. no one cares native c++ ? i need help :S
Jan 10 19:30:19 <smallfoot-> you can use GIMP and Inkscape for graphics
Jan 10 19:30:21 <BulleTTime> within eclipse
Jan 10 19:33:58 <g00s> smallfoot- yeah, i used inkscape; although it seems dead on mac
Jan 10 19:34:23 <smallfoot-> I see
Jan 10 19:34:41 <smallfoot-> I use Linux, the operating system of the master race
Jan 10 19:41:48 <pellis> in maven - what android version should i put to support 4.0 and up?
Jan 10 19:42:53 <BulleTTime> hey anyone?
Jan 10 19:43:08 <BulleTTime> native inside java man im stuck
Jan 10 19:50:33 <jonc> BulleTTime, you do not do native C++ for android development
Jan 10 19:50:41 <jonc> you do java
Jan 10 19:51:06 <jonc> you can't just take a c++ project from visual studio and load it into eclipse
Jan 10 19:51:48 <jonc> if the code you have is all c++, you will have to rewrite it in java specifically for android
Jan 10 19:52:09 <alexfu> jonc: uhm. i think he/she is using NDK...
Jan 10 19:53:18 <jonc> They were talking about moving a visual studio project to eclipse earlier, which is possible to use NDK in visual studio I'd imagine, but would probably use it with eclipse
Jan 10 19:56:36 <BulleTTime> jonc sorry, i just mean this
Jan 10 19:57:43 <BulleTTime> im working on putting a project from project anarchy (havok) into a eclipse project.
Jan 10 19:58:22 <BulleTTime> just wanting to have the 3d game as activity / class as activity
Jan 10 19:59:00 <BulleTTime> i have a android app working in visual studio 2010..
Jan 10 19:59:26 <BulleTTime> but, can i use that in eclipse?
Jan 10 19:59:48 <BulleTTime> i have almost every file
Jan 10 20:00:49 <BulleTTime> if i can build a app with vs , why not in eclipse with all..
Jan 10 20:01:44 <jonc> I would say because they are probably using C++ as a scripting language, and they have a build chain that they have integrated to Visual Studio
Jan 10 20:02:08 <smallfoot-> I added files to /storage/sdcard/Download/ but they don't show up in the Storage Access Framework activity dialog, why?
Jan 10 20:02:09 <jonc> http://qni.projectanarchy.com/questions/4099/using-eclipse-and-android-sdk.html
Jan 10 20:02:30 <smallfoot-> I added files to /storage/sdcard/Download/ on the emulator but they don't show up in the Storage Access Framework activity dialog in the emulator, why?
Jan 10 20:06:40 <ollienx> Hey guys, I have a widget and even though my widgetCategory is home_screen|keyguard it only shows up on the lock screen. Any reason this could be?
Jan 10 20:07:35 <smallfoot-> I know nothing about widgets
Jan 10 20:08:36 <ultra-> i have a Paint object that draws in onDraw, how do i animate its alpha?
Jan 10 20:08:41 <ollienx> What's quite interesting is that even though I had this code running on another phone, when I bring it over to my new phone, on the asme version, it doesn't work
Jan 10 20:08:46 <ultra-> i know it needs to redraw every frame, but i don't know how to get it to do that
Jan 10 20:10:19 <alexfu> ultra-: assuming you're in a View, just call postInvalidate()
Jan 10 20:10:54 <ultra-> alexfu: i'm not sure where, let me show you the little bit of code i have
Jan 10 20:12:45 <alexfu> ultra-: call it at the end of onDraw
Jan 10 20:13:31 <ultra-> which type of animator do i use then, AlphaAnimation or ObjectAnimator?
Jan 10 20:14:29 <ollienx> what the fuck, I even pulled the APK from the old device and it SITLL doesn't have the same funcitonality
Jan 10 20:14:56 <CocoStorm> I'm trying to make a byte array parseable but when i do in.readByteArray(picture) where picture is a byte array I get a type mismatch error, cannot convert from void to byte[]
Jan 10 20:17:18 <ultra-> i'm lost on where i even am with this animation, gonna just delete it all
Jan 10 20:17:21 <ultra-> it's probably crap anyway
Jan 10 20:20:13 <alexfu> ultra-: If im not mistaken, AlphaAnimation does the alpha animation for you. you dont have to do anything
Jan 10 20:20:49 <ultra-> i think i'm missing where you (must) attach the Paint object's alpha to the alpha animation
Jan 10 20:20:55 <ultra-> i'll look over the class reference again
Jan 10 20:20:59 <ultra-> i'd think it would be that simple
Jan 10 20:21:56 <SimonVT> Just animate the alpha of the view
Jan 10 20:22:32 <ultra-> i don't want the entire view animated, though.  just the rect that i'm painting
Jan 10 20:22:43 <alexfu> ultra-: then you'll have to do that yourself
Jan 10 20:22:48 <ultra-> ok, i see
Jan 10 20:23:30 <alexfu> via redrawing
Jan 10 20:25:32 <ultra-> ObjectAnimator makes it pretty easy if i have a property to animate, and if, when setting that property, it changes the Paint's alpha and calls invalidate(), that might work... but i don't know how to make the property
Jan 10 20:25:55 <ultra-> for instance, i subclassed a View and animated its "scrollX" property like this: ObjectAnimator xAnimator = ObjectAnimator.ofInt(this, "scrollX", newOffset.x);
Jan 10 20:26:10 <ultra-> how do i get my property recognized like "scrollX" is?
Jan 10 20:27:37 <Dreeass> Does someone know to create a DialogPreference with a TimePicker without a library?
Jan 10 20:28:15 <SimonVT> Make a method called setPaintAlpha that sets the alpha of the paint.. ObjectAnimation.ofInt(yourView, "paintAlpha", 0, 0xFF).setDuration(duration).start()
Jan 10 20:28:17 <Dreeass> Why is it so easy when using the TimePickerDialog thing but not easy when using it as a preference...
Jan 10 20:28:39 <ultra-> ah, it can derive setPaintAlpha from "paintAlpha", that's easy then
Jan 10 20:29:10 <ultra-> thanks... trying to get iOS out of my head for now, where you define properties
Jan 10 20:31:58 <eghdk> If I have a class that deals with bitmap, then in this class, I create a view, with a background resource of said bitmap. If I null out the class, will the bitmap be gone as well?
Jan 10 20:33:18 <jonc> I am trying to load images into a view pager, the problem is that after I get to the 3rd or 4th image I get a: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
Jan 10 20:33:18 <jonc>             at android.graphics.BitmapFactory
Jan 10 20:33:25 <jonc> any ideas?
Jan 10 20:33:47 <pfn> load smaller images
Jan 10 20:33:48 <SimonVT> Use less memory
Jan 10 20:34:12 <louielouie> jonc: check out the BitmapFactory options so you use less memory
Jan 10 20:34:12 <jonc> I've tried in the fragments onPause to get the drawable and then the bitmap and recycle it
Jan 10 20:34:16 <jonc> but that doesn't seem to work
Jan 10 20:35:42 <compac> Anyone submitted apps to amazon's market as well?
Jan 10 20:36:27 <eghdk> jonc: Make sure you are using BitmapFactory options, and if your bitmaps are all the same size, then reuse the same bitmap.
Jan 10 20:36:35 <marrrk_> pfn I'm a bit confused about native stuff with your plugin. It's not possible to compile C-code, right? But using some .so files is fine, correct?
Jan 10 20:36:49 <pfn> marrrk_, you'd use ndk-build to build
Jan 10 20:36:59 <pfn> you can just put pre-compiled stuff in libs/
Jan 10 20:37:00 <alexfu> jonc: theres a whle section on loading bitmaps efficiently on d.android.com
Jan 10 20:37:03 <alexfu> *whole
Jan 10 20:37:47 <Houte> So my game is: mainmenu-> 1. play, 2. highscores, 3. howtoplay . easy enough to do with 4 activities and 4 views. but there is also fragments, would they decrease the amount of code and complexity? what are the fundamental tradeoffs between multiple Activities and Views and using Fragments?
Jan 10 20:38:03 <marrrk_> That sounds good.
Jan 10 20:38:25 <marrrk_> So just to be sure .so files fall under the category of precompiled stuff, right?
Jan 10 20:38:26 <jonc> Houte, I would suggest 1 activity and 4 fragments
Jan 10 20:40:48 <kafor7> Hello guys
Jan 10 20:41:06 <pfn> marrrk_, yes
Jan 10 20:41:14 <marrrk_> Purrfect
Jan 10 20:42:19 <kafor7> I'm an android beginner and I have the following problem: I want to use SQLite database and ListView and I'd like to update everything automatically. Is a content provider the only way to do that ?
Jan 10 20:43:43 <kafor7> But from developer.android they say that : "You don't need a provider to use an SQLite database if the use is entirely within your own application."
Jan 10 20:45:47 <alexfu> kafor7: thats correct. what do you mean by update everything automatically?
Jan 10 20:46:36 <jonc> I've looked at the d.android.com bitmap loading before, the problem is that I can't down sample these, they are pretty close to full screen images
Jan 10 20:46:37 <kafor7> I want to update my database quite frequently (this application is some kind of bot)
Jan 10 20:47:37 <kafor7> so i just want to perform insert/delete/update query and don't worry about listview etc
Jan 10 20:48:05 <kafor7> like MVC pattern
Jan 10 20:48:22 <alexfu> jonc: have you tried http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/manage-memory.html#inBitmap ?
Jan 10 20:49:10 <jonc> it's not an issue of reuse
Jan 10 20:49:30 <alexfu> kafor7: you want the db to update the listview when the db has been updated/modified?
Jan 10 20:49:46 <jonc> I have 6 fragments each with an imageview that matches the parents size, each fragment loads a different image
Jan 10 20:50:01 <kafor7> alexfu: yes
Jan 10 20:50:22 <jonc> when I put these fragments in a viewpager and get to the 4th image or so, the thing craps out
Jan 10 20:50:48 <jonc> although I just realized, the video I loaded into memory previously may be taking up a lot of room, I'll try unloading that
Jan 10 20:52:44 <alexfu> kafor7: i would use an event bus for that
Jan 10 20:53:23 <kafor7> alexfu: what's that ?
Jan 10 20:54:39 <marrrk_> It's not a euphemism
Jan 10 20:55:56 <Houte> so can the newer APIs run on all old phones(i guess not)? are you missing out much if you only target the latest release?
Jan 10 20:56:08 <JakeWharton> Houte: target ICS and up
Jan 10 20:56:08 <alexfu> kafor7: its a pattern that facilitates communication between objects
Jan 10 20:57:05 <kafor7> and why don't you use content provider ?
Jan 10 20:57:06 <alexfu> kafor7: actually, its more of an implementation of a pattern
Jan 10 20:59:36 <alexfu> kafor7: content providers are generally used for allowing other applications to access your data. if you're just looking for a way to update your views when your db has been modified/updated, you're probably better off using some sort of event bus. that way you data stays private
Jan 10 21:02:10 <alexfu> kafor7: http://square.github.io/otto/
Jan 10 21:03:56 <alexfu> kafor7: you would of course have to write up some sort of internal API that then calls to the appropriate CRUD method of SQLiteDatabase and while you're in that method, make post an event
Jan 10 21:06:09 <marrrk_> How do I find out what's the most recent version of Google Play Services?
Jan 10 21:06:18 <JakeWharton> it's 4.1, just came out yesterday
Jan 10 21:06:48 <JakeWharton> though i wouldn't use it yet as it hasn't rolled out to everyone
Jan 10 21:06:57 <JakeWharton> the version number is listed here: https://developer.android.com/google/play-services/setup.html
Jan 10 21:07:06 <smallfoot-> I used the Emulator Monitor in Android Studio to push files into /storage/sdcard/Download/ then I remount the filesystem, but the files don't show up in applications that use the Storage Access Framework, why?
Jan 10 21:07:16 <R4md4c> Hello, I am using the SlidingMenu project to implement the Navigation Drawer pattern, the question is how can I make the navigation drawer to expose part of the left menu ? I want something like in this photo http://i.imgur.com/lJjtH0G.png.
Jan 10 21:07:24 <marrrk_> Thank you, Jake
Jan 10 21:08:32 <marrrk_> I can't not use 4.1, now that you said it's so fresh.
Jan 10 21:09:35 <R4md4c> In general how can I achieve the UI in the screenshot with or without SlidingMenu ?
Jan 10 21:09:58 <g00s> marrrk_ using the latest version of google stuff is always a sure path to profilt :|
Jan 10 21:10:14 <marrrk_> Okay, I resist it
Jan 10 21:18:54 <jonc> R4md4c, Look at the example code for the project
Jan 10 21:20:09 <R4md4c> jonc: I've downloaded the demo in the play store that contains example project of the SlidingMenu project, but there was no such thing
Jan 10 21:20:25 <jonc> https://github.com/jfeinstein10/SlidingMenu
Jan 10 21:20:28 <marrrk_> pfn, I suspect the .so files are not added to the dex because I get a crash saying "Couldn't load stlport_shared from loader dalvik.system.PathClassLoader
Jan 10 21:20:31 <jonc> has a quick sample application
Jan 10 21:20:51 <jonc> just scroll down and it has it right on the main page
Jan 10 21:21:07 <JesusFreke> marrrk_: I hope you mean apk, not dex :)
Jan 10 21:21:12 <marrrk_> Yeah, sorry
Jan 10 21:21:13 <JesusFreke> and it's easy enough to check, just unzip it
Jan 10 21:21:19 <marrrk_> I'm confused with all these nasty three letter words
Jan 10 21:21:33 <marrrk_> good idea
Jan 10 21:22:20 <jonc> marrrk_, are you trying to use native libraries and building with android studio?
Jan 10 21:22:41 <marrrk_> No I'm trying to use sqlcipher and building with sbt
Jan 10 21:22:58 <jonc> native library = .so
Jan 10 21:23:05 <marrrk_> Then yes
Jan 10 21:23:17 <marrrk_> To me an .so is a "Linux DLL" :)
Jan 10 21:23:19 <jonc> and ok, in android studio you have to place the .so into a jar for it to work
Jan 10 21:23:25 <jonc> yeah
Jan 10 21:23:32 <jonc> native library :P
Jan 10 21:23:54 <eghdk> I have an array list with 5 objects. I know I want to delete object, 1, 3, and 5, but after I delete 1 and 3, there is no 5 left. So, I'm really actually deleting 1 and 4. Ideas?
Jan 10 21:24:11 <jonc> marrrk_, where do you have the .so files?
Jan 10 21:24:15 <marrrk_> in
Jan 10 21:24:39 <marrrk_> src/main/libs/armeabi/
Jan 10 21:24:42 <jonc> eghdk, I believe removing resizes the arraylist
Jan 10 21:24:44 <marrrk_> but not in a jar
Jan 10 21:24:53 <R4md4c> jonc: I've read the code of the example project but I didn't find this feature in the list of demos
Jan 10 21:24:54 <jonc> marrrk_, just making sure the armeabi was there
Jan 10 21:25:15 <jonc> R4md4c, take what you learned, try it out, get an idea of how it works and then make what you want with it
Jan 10 21:25:25 <SimonVT> eghdk: Delete 5, 3 and 1
Jan 10 21:26:14 <jonc> no one will have the exact solution you are looking for, you have to come up with a solution on your own, you can be pointed to resources that will start to give you ideas on how it is achieved.
Jan 10 21:26:21 <eghdk> SimonVT: I can't. No "easy" way to explain. But the delete are basically done one at a time. But they have to be totally dynamic.
Jan 10 21:26:44 <SimonVT> Then remove objects instead of indexes
Jan 10 21:26:50 <jonc> then update the indices anytime you remove?
Jan 10 21:27:03 <jonc> keep track of how many you have deleted, subtract that from the index?
Jan 10 21:27:10 <marrrk_> I probably have to put them in
Jan 10 21:27:12 <marrrk_> src/main/jni
Jan 10 21:28:00 <eghdk> SimonVT: I am trying, and my object is settup that it has its own unique index as well for this exact purpose, but I can't figure out how to remove it. I'm trying myObject.remove();, but I don't know what to put in as a param.
Jan 10 21:28:07 <pellis> any reason why this won't resolve on central? com.github.chrisbanes.actionbarpulltorefresh:library:jar:0.9.3
Jan 10 21:28:37 <SimonVT> Because you randomly added :jar
Jan 10 21:29:14 <pellis> SimonVT, nah that's just the output from maven
Jan 10 21:29:29 <pellis> I'm actually using this http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.github.chrisbanes.actionbarpulltorefresh/library/0.9.3
Jan 10 21:29:54 <SimonVT> Because you told maven it was a jar
Jan 10 21:30:00 <pellis> hmm?
Jan 10 21:30:12 <pellis> you mean i should give it a 'compile' thing?
Jan 10 21:30:48 <pellis> that didn't work
Jan 10 21:31:03 <SimonVT> Might want to just show what you're doing
Jan 10 21:31:27 <Houte> So what is the advantage of a Fragment over another Activity/View, I don't really see it. How does it make my code more modular/flexible?
Jan 10 21:31:49 <pellis> SimonVT, sure, just this http://pastie.org/8621831
Jan 10 21:32:12 <SimonVT> Yeah, it defaults to jar
Jan 10 21:32:22 <SimonVT> actionbarpulltorefresh is not a jar
Jan 10 21:32:43 <eghdk> SimonVT: take a look at this. I'm adding object to my array list like this. myArrayList.add(new myObject(data, unique_id)); how would I go about myArrayList.remove if I know the unique_id I want to remove?
Jan 10 21:32:48 <pellis> SimonVT, what is it then?
Jan 10 21:32:56 <smallfoot-> Which is most popular, Eclipse (ADT) or Android Studio?
Jan 10 21:33:03 <SimonVT> Check maven central what it is
Jan 10 21:33:14 <pellis> SimonVT, AAR?
Jan 10 21:33:22 <smallfoot-> Everyone uses gradle?
Jan 10 21:33:26 <nebs> I like eclipse, eprsonallu.
Jan 10 21:33:28 <FireBreath> i'mt thinking Eclipse is still more popular
Jan 10 21:33:29 <jonc> smallfoot-, I would say it's definitely moving towards Android Studio
Jan 10 21:33:32 <nebs> *personally
Jan 10 21:33:39 * helo maven
Jan 10 21:33:40 <FireBreath> I use Eclipse.. don't see much reason to convert
Jan 10 21:33:49 <jonc> but as of now Eclipse is probably more popular
Jan 10 21:34:29 <SimonVT> eghdk: Find the object with that id, remove that object
Jan 10 21:34:33 <pellis> how can i tell maven to use AAR?
Jan 10 21:36:37 <smallfoot-> I don't understand why Google builds ADT against old Eclipse 3.6 instead of new modern version of Eclipse
Jan 10 21:37:01 <pellis> SimonVT, hmm.. so how do I tell maven to use AAR?
Jan 10 21:37:21 <pellis> apklib?
Jan 10 21:37:36 <eghdk> SimonVT: Okay, so I'll make a for each loop to iterate through the arrayList, and remove the matching id? That sounds correct… and not doing too many things… right?
Jan 10 21:37:36 <SimonVT> http://maven.apache.org/pom.html#Dependencies
Jan 10 21:38:19 <SimonVT> Unless you have something that maps id's to objects, then yeah
Jan 10 21:38:37 <bourbon> is it possible to get a cursor from the MediaStore api that has both Image data and Thumbnail data (ie, can you join two URI's on a single query)
Jan 10 21:38:56 <CocoStorm> What's the best way to save an arrayList of objects? SharedPreferences or writing to a file?
Jan 10 21:40:06 <theblang> CocoStorm check this out http://stackoverflow.com/a/7057858/1747491
Jan 10 21:41:31 <CocoStorm> theblang, Oh thanks, so I guess i can use SharePreference.  The arraylist will still remain saved even when the app is killed?
Jan 10 21:43:14 <theblang> CocoStorm Yes, if you commit something to shared prefs then it will persist.
Jan 10 21:43:39 <CocoStorm> theblang, thanks
Jan 10 21:43:43 <pellis> SimonVT, I'm pulling my hair.. what on earth is AAR. google doesn't really show anything.. i only found apklib which doesn't work
Jan 10 21:44:36 <SimonVT> Android ARchive
Jan 10 21:44:48 <SimonVT> http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cactionbarpulltorefresh
Jan 10 21:45:09 <SimonVT> As you can see, actionbarpulltorefresh is packaged as an aar
Jan 10 21:45:14 <marrrk_> I think it's the Gradle equivalent of an apklib, but I may be wrong.
Jan 10 21:45:23 <SimonVT> So you need to tell it to use the aar in your dependency declaration
Jan 10 21:45:32 <pellis> SimonVT, yes i see. but i can't find out for the life of me how to make maven see it
Jan 10 21:46:05 <SimonVT> <type>aar</type>
Jan 10 21:46:12 <pellis> SimonVT, doesn't work
Jan 10 21:46:24 <pellis> SimonVT, is it possible that this is a gradle-only package?
Jan 10 21:46:33 <SimonVT> Then you're using a version of the android maven plugin that doesn't support aar's
Jan 10 21:46:50 <pellis> ah.
Jan 10 21:48:09 <pellis> oh god it works
Jan 10 21:48:12 <pellis> thanks SimonVT
Jan 10 21:48:14 <theblang> CocoStorm I think you will need this Java class: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/io/Serializable.html .  Then you can do something like this to turn the bytearray into a string for storage: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8586244/1747491 .  I dunno, you may decide that it is more trouble than it's worth.
Jan 10 21:49:17 <CocoStorm> theblang, what do I put instead of SHARED_PREFS_FILE ?
Jan 10 21:49:50 <theblang> CocoStorm Personally, I use ORMLite to store in a SQLite DB
Jan 10 21:50:07 <pellis> man android/java build ecosystem is so broken
Jan 10 21:50:12 <CocoStorm> Oh, I have to put in a database?
Jan 10 21:53:16 <evanc> CocoStorm: shared prefs are not a relational database (the "R" in "ORM")
Jan 10 21:56:57 <pellis> this is so broken
Jan 10 21:57:33 <pellis> SimonVT, pulltorefresh:aar -> smoothprogressbar:aar
Jan 10 21:57:55 <pellis> SimonVT, i tell maven pulltorefresh is aar, but since it depends on smoothprogressbar - maven treats smoothprogressbar as jar
Jan 10 21:58:05 <pellis> i have no way to tell it it's also an aar
Jan 10 22:01:34 <SimonVT> You can try excluding it from its dependencies and add it manually
Jan 10 22:16:45 <smallfoot-> You guys run Android Studio 0.3.2 or beta-0.4.0?
Jan 10 22:17:03 <helo> ed
Jan 10 22:17:11 <SimonVT> 0.4.2
Jan 10 22:18:11 <jjnye> smallfoot-: I believe you're gonna need fairly bleeding-edge versions to work with the latest build plugins
Jan 10 22:18:46 <lasserix> Hello anyone know how to find via the contacts content provieder the contact of the person whose actual phone it is?
Jan 10 22:19:30 <smallfoot-> jjnye, what you mean build plugins?
Jan 10 22:19:45 <smallfoot-> SimonVT, 0.4.2 is stable? its better than 0.3.2? or its buggy?
Jan 10 22:21:43 <SimonVT> It's .1 better
Jan 10 22:22:56 <smallfoot-> :p
Jan 10 22:22:57 <jjnye> smallfoot-: the gradle build plugin. you need 0.4.0 or newer according to the release notes http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system
Jan 10 22:22:58 <SimonVT> If we assume that the ratio of amount of bugs they fix per release to amount of bugs they introduce is above 1, then yes, it's more stable
Jan 10 22:28:15 <theblang> Say you are developing an app that uses maps and that needs to be in the Play store as well as the Amazon App store.  You can't use Google Maps API, as it isn't part of the AOSP.  You instead need to use Amazon Maps API when on a Kindle.  You can easily check what device your app is running on at runtime.  Would a good strategy be to create two Map Activities, one that uses Google and one that uses Amazon, and fire the appropri
Jan 10 22:35:51 <dbro> Can anyone point me to some good literatue on how cf-auto-root works?
Jan 10 22:35:51 <palithius> groovy, bad programming language, or the worst programming language?
Jan 10 22:36:48 <Zharf> meh
Jan 10 22:36:56 <marrrk_> I'm sure there's worse
Jan 10 22:37:21 <palithius> we'll go with bad then
Jan 10 22:38:40 <marrrk_> What don't you like about it?
Jan 10 22:39:33 <SimonVT> dbro: #android-root
Jan 10 22:40:17 <marrrk_> Is there a way to install the android sdk without eclipse with apt-get in Ubuntu?
Jan 10 22:40:25 <dbro> SimonVT: right, thx
Jan 10 22:40:58 <g00s> palithius javascript might be worse :)
Jan 10 22:41:05 <g00s> or php
Jan 10 22:41:14 <marrrk_> What's so bad about javascript then?
Jan 10 22:41:25 <palithius> it tries to be really cool be reducing the amount of syntax to write, but the consequence is that it has a ton of implicit rules you have to memorize.
Jan 10 22:41:54 <marrrk_> Maybe it is worth it after a while? I have not tried it
Jan 10 22:41:56 <g00s> i laughed at this js snippet from tbray [5, 10, 1].sort();  ==> [ 1, 10, 5 ]
Jan 10 22:42:34 <g00s> palithius yeah, i dont like that either (sometime, you don't have to use parentheses … bah yuck)
Jan 10 22:42:41 <palithius> exactyl
Jan 10 22:42:59 <palithius> it's not consistent.  So sometimes I think I am looking at a closure, but it's really something else, etc.
Jan 10 22:43:14 <palithius> You have to implicitly put it together in your mind to the point where it feels like more work.
Jan 10 22:43:30 <palithius> I end up having to go back to the docs again and again
Jan 10 22:43:31 <g00s> well, not like groovy really ever took off ;) except for gradle … how many shops use grails
Jan 10 22:43:59 <palithius> well unfortunately the google team is switching to gradle
Jan 10 22:44:01 <marrrk_> Hmm, but that seems like it should be overcome by not abusing the feature if it's optional. I mean you can write ugly code in any language.
Jan 10 22:44:32 <eghdk> Is anyone here good with android.graphics.Paint? How do I go about drawing one shape that has straight lines, as well as curved lines?
Jan 10 22:44:32 <g00s> palithius yeah, its arguably OK for making DSLs, so it its a nice fit for gradle
Jan 10 22:44:55 <marrrk_> eghdk: With multiple calls to canvas.drawXXX()
Jan 10 22:45:31 <marrrk_> you can do a Path and then run .lineTo and arcTo and quadTo and cubicTo(?)
Jan 10 22:47:11 <Norrin> palithius, sounds like haml
Jan 10 22:47:23 <Norrin> not a PL, but you know what I mean.  same problem.
Jan 10 22:47:38 <Norrin> and coffeescript.  removed everything that tells you wtf is going on
Jan 10 22:47:43 <eghdk> markk	Do you have any experience with this? I've been stuck
Jan 10 22:47:57 <marrrk_> eghdk: What are you trying to do in the first place?
Jan 10 22:48:46 <eghdk> marrrk_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21055809/how-to-draw-curves-and-straight-lines-in-one-image
Jan 10 22:49:18 <marrrk_> eghdk: That's really easy.
Jan 10 22:49:46 <eghdk> =/ I just can't make it work. It's been days now fidgeting around with it.
Jan 10 22:49:48 <marrrk_> There are canvas functions that do drawRectangle and drawRoundedRectangle I think
Jan 10 22:50:36 <eghdk> Yeah, but I need to be able to stoke it like one image.
Jan 10 22:50:51 <eghdk> drawing two shapes doesn't work out
Jan 10 22:50:58 <marrrk_> So what's the problem with the path you're drawing, then?
Jan 10 22:51:27 <marrrk_> Have you tried arcTo?
Jan 10 22:52:17 <eghdk> I don't understand how to use arcTo. The oval, startAngle, and sweepAngle have me confused
Jan 10 22:53:49 <marrrk_> I remember that to be my problem to but for my use case I could use quadTo. If you want to try how that looks do a quad to with the first arguments being the corners of the battery. That will do a parabola, though.
Jan 10 22:54:14 <eghdk> interesting.
Jan 10 22:55:12 <marrrk_> Maybe the arcto defines the oval that fits into the rectangle that you supply and the angles I would guess cut out the part of the oval that will be drawn
Jan 10 22:57:42 <marrrk_> I would suggest you just try out various values on an empty canvas and see what it gives.
Jan 10 22:57:52 <eghdk> Yeah, I don't know what the hell arcTo needs in order to work. I was think a 4 point square with rounded edges, might need 8 points?
Jan 10 23:00:39 <CocoStorm> If I have an ArrayList of objects in an Activity and I got back from that to the MainActivity and nothing is handled in onPause or onResume, would the arrayList be empty when I go back to it?
Jan 10 23:00:52 <marrrk_> eghdk: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3499/zrcr9fwn_png.htm
Jan 10 23:01:09 <marrrk_> That's my theory with the two angles, the red part being the resulting arc.
Jan 10 23:01:19 <CocoStorm> The Activity should still remain alive no?
Jan 10 23:01:26 <Houte> If I decide later that I want to redesign my UI for a tablet instead of keeping it the same, then this will be easier to do if I have used Fragments than if I used several Activities?
Jan 10 23:02:44 <marrrk_> So I suggest making the RectF a square and the angles 0 and 90 degrees.
Jan 10 23:03:16 <gdrc> hello
Jan 10 23:05:46 <IvelfanFr> Hello everybody
Jan 10 23:06:13 <IvelfanFr> I have a trouble with ListView Adapter.
Jan 10 23:07:57 <eghdk> marrrk_: For arcTo it requires an oval as a param. What do you think they mean for that?
Jan 10 23:08:01 <IvelfanFr> When I modified the XML item view, nothing append, the Item is always the same.
Jan 10 23:08:10 <marrrk_> eghdk: Have you seen my picture?
Jan 10 23:08:16 <bricker> Does android pre-define any basic color resources? @android:color/white, for example?
Jan 10 23:08:20 <marrrk_> The type of the Oval is RectF, right?
Jan 10 23:08:33 <marrrk_> bricker: yes
Jan 10 23:09:01 <bricker> marrrk_: Thanks. I'm having a hard time finding any documentation for this
Jan 10 23:09:11 <marrrk_> Doesn't auto-complete work?
Jan 10 23:09:12 <bricker> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Color.html Is it just those listed at the top?
Jan 10 23:09:44 <marrrk_> There are also the holo ones somewhere if you are >= 4.0 but why not use nice colours instead?
Jan 10 23:09:52 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.color.html
Jan 10 23:10:03 <eghdk> marrrk_: Oh yeah it is RectF… what the hell is rectF… lol
Jan 10 23:10:06 <bricker> SimonVT: ah, thank you!
Jan 10 23:10:18 <SimonVT> RectF is a rect that uses floats
Jan 10 23:10:21 <marrrk_> RectF is a rectangle with float type coordinates
Jan 10 23:10:23 <marrrk_> yes
Jan 10 23:10:37 <eghdk> how would I use that in arcTo?
Jan 10 23:10:53 <marrrk_> Like in the picture I sent you earlier.
Jan 10 23:10:54 <SimonVT> Try it and see
Jan 10 23:11:09 <marrrk_> The oval is defined by the rectangle.
Jan 10 23:11:13 <CocoStorm> I have Activity A start Activity B with extras (an ArrayList).  Activity B makes use of this ArrayList but when I press back, and then start Activity B again with extras, the ArrayList is empty. Shouldn't Activity A keep hold of the contents of the ArrayList as long as the app is still alive?
Jan 10 23:11:20 <eghdk> gotcha
Jan 10 23:11:48 <eghdk> How would I go about just a plain oval than… RectF oval = new RectF();?
Jan 10 23:12:09 <marrrk_> Plain?
Jan 10 23:12:28 <marrrk_> You have to tell the oval where it should be by giving it coordinates.
Jan 10 23:12:51 <marrrk_> Something like new RectF(0,0, canvas.getWidth(), canvas.getHeight());
Jan 10 23:12:54 <smallfoot-> I use DDMS to push files to the sd card at /storage/sdcard/Download/, but Android does not find these files.
Jan 10 23:13:00 <smallfoot-> What can I do to make Android discover files?
Jan 10 23:13:12 <marrrk_> ls
Jan 10 23:13:15 <marrrk_> Sorry.
Jan 10 23:14:42 <pellis> with gradle do you all run tests on the command line?
Jan 10 23:15:49 <eghdk> marrrk_: OH. okay.
Jan 10 23:16:33 <IvelfanFr> I make a xml file like this which name is "simple_item" : http://pastebin.com/pewLHNJc. I used it in my Custom BaseAdapter like this : http://pastebin.com/Pqs9Ypvp. I have what I want, but when I modify simple_item.xml like this : http://pastebin.com/gg35kNVh. @id/txtSimpleItem2 is always at the bottom of @id/textSimpleItem.
Jan 10 23:16:45 <IvelfanFr> Why ?
Jan 10 23:17:33 <IvelfanFr> Why the simpleItem2 TextView isn't before the simpleItem TextView ?
Jan 10 23:26:01 <IvelfanFr> Noone can help me ? I'm lost :)
Jan 10 23:49:45 <Coryn> lol, canadiancow
Jan 10 23:53:28 <CocoStorm> I have Activity A start Activity B with extras (an ArrayList).  Activity B makes use of this ArrayList but when I press back, and then start Activity B again with extras, the ArrayList is empty. Shouldn't Activity A keep hold of the contents of the ArrayList as long as the app is still alive?
Jan 10 23:54:06 <smallfoot-> When I click on the "Downloads" app, then it shows nothing. But when I click on the "Gallery" app, it says there is a image there.
Jan 10 23:54:52 <jayd16> hey guys, so I'm trying to update my app to work on Kindle and for some crazy reason they the default for  duplicateParentState seems to be false.  Is there a quick work around to turn it back on or am I doing something that's causing this?  I really dont want to go through my entire app and explicitly set this everywhere.
Jan 10 23:56:21 <jayd16> @Coco, depends on how you're storing the array list.  You'll probably want to use onSaveInstanceState to save your array list.
Jan 10 23:58:27 <CocoStorm> jayd16, I'm not storing it, I just meant in general if I have an isntance of an arraylist does it go back to null when activity B is started and you go back to activity A
Jan 10 23:59:19 <Coryn> so trying to make any $$ of substance by making youtube videos: won't happen? :3
Jan 11 00:01:44 <jayd16> coco, you can't assume that the activity instance you return to is the same instance that runs when you go back to it.  Its best to write your apps assuming they'll get destroyed as soon as they're paused.  Basically, unless you set non-static variables in create or resume then you have to explicitly save them.  Android isn't setting them to false, its creating a new instance of that activity where your variable is not set.
Jan 11 00:04:36 <CocoStorm> jayd16, I see, I thought changing activities wouldn't call ondestroy
Jan 11 00:05:06 <CocoStorm> so the activities could get killed almost instnatly when starting another?
Jan 11 00:05:16 <g00s> heh, a new android book http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781783286874.do
Jan 11 00:05:40 <jayd16> Coco, they might.  You have to account for that.
Jan 11 00:06:03 <g00s> "In this book, you'll learn how to use AsyncTask correctly" bah, snooze
Jan 11 00:06:33 <bricker> Is setting an explicit string for DateFormat really heavily discouraged? I hate the standard US d/mm/yy format.
Jan 11 00:06:56 <zinx> i use YYYY-mm-dd
Jan 11 00:07:06 <zinx> but, you should probably use the default
Jan 11 00:07:12 <bricker> zinx: Yeah it's so much better, both logically and aesthetically.
Jan 11 00:07:14 <zinx> since that likely uses the system setting.
Jan 11 00:07:25 <zinx> (which you can set to YYYY-mm-dd)
Jan 11 00:07:57 <bricker> I can't on my kindle :(
Jan 11 00:08:02 <bricker> I don't think so, anyways
Jan 11 00:08:23 <daivyk> is there anything built in to enable log to a file ? i am going to explain why, i am using IOIO to devel an app and i dont have by now a way to see debug messages, so maybe something like log everything into a text file and then connect to phone and get it... hehehehe
Jan 11 00:10:10 <CocoStorm> Also if Acitivty A parses an ArrayList to the another but I save the arrayList to sharedPreference before it does, does it parse the same instance of the ArrayList so that I don't have to load or do i need to load the arrayList from sharedPreferences?
Jan 11 00:11:43 <jayd16> uhm, can you rephrase that a bit?
Jan 11 00:13:29 <JesusFreke> daivyk: you're familiar with logcat?
Jan 11 00:13:48 <daivyk> JesusFreke: yes
Jan 11 00:14:19 <JesusFreke> well, if I were you, I would try to find a way to use logcat :)
Jan 11 00:14:31 <JesusFreke> rather than going off and doing your own logging thing
Jan 11 00:15:13 <CocoStorm> Sorry, So I have Activity A which holds a reference to an ArrayList.  It is a parceable and is added as an extra when Activity B is started for Activity B to use.  I want to save the state of the ArrayList before Activity B gets called, so if I save it to for example, a sharedPreference, when Activity B is called and passes that ArrayList is that specific ArrayList the updated loaded version or do
Jan 11 00:15:13 <CocoStorm>  I have to load the SharedPreference before Activity B gets called?
Jan 11 00:16:08 <jayd16> They are not the same instance
Jan 11 00:16:14 <jayd16> changes are not mirrored
Jan 11 00:16:56 <CocoStorm> Ah okay
Jan 11 00:17:09 <daivyk> JesusFreke: the way is to use bluetooth with IOIO, but i haven't find a BT dongle compatible with IOIO, so i am thinking to build a log, i have to finish the app, but is kinda extensive app so without debug is a madness.. heheheh
Jan 11 00:18:00 <jayd16> coco, my guess is you probably also want to look into startActivityForResult().  You can have an activity return an intent with an updated arraylist or some such thing
Jan 11 00:18:02 <zinx> daivyk: why won't logcat work for you?
Jan 11 00:18:16 <JesusFreke> daivyk: I don't know anything about IOIO. But my comment stands, if you're running an application on android, and are wanting to write a log, you should probably use logcat
Jan 11 00:19:27 <daivyk> zinx: because when i am using IOIO on debug ON i cannot connect to it, ADB and IOIO works the same, so even with tcpip enabled to connect via wifi its a no go.. so the only way is to use bluetooth and this way i see the logcat messages.
Jan 11 00:19:51 <CocoStorm> jayd16, it can send an updated ArrayList back?
Jan 11 00:24:04 <CocoStorm> Also is there a good tutorial on how to save an arraylist of custom objects to file
Jan 11 00:24:14 <CocoStorm> I'm looking everywhere on google >.<
Jan 11 00:24:34 <daivyk> nice, found a solution for my problem.. http://acra.ch/
Jan 11 00:25:18 <daivyk> bug report tool.. ;)
Jan 11 00:26:02 <jayd16> @coco, search for "java serialization techniques."
Jan 11 00:27:48 <g00s> heh
Jan 11 00:28:06 <g00s> coco, how long are you going to be stabbing this with a fork
Jan 11 00:28:29 <daivyk> CocoStorm: one solution, http://code.google.com/p/google-gson/
Jan 11 00:28:49 <CocoStorm> g00s, lol
Jan 11 00:29:12 <g00s> ok, how many things in your list again ?
Jan 11 00:30:57 <CocoStorm> none to start out with but I add to the list over time
Jan 11 00:31:12 <CocoStorm> g00s, and the object has a string and a LatLng
Jan 11 00:32:08 <g00s> how many realistically?
Jan 11 00:32:43 <jayd16> what order of magnitude, 10s, 100s, or 100,00s?
Jan 11 00:33:00 <CocoStorm> Oh maybe around 50 at most
Jan 11 00:33:01 <g00s> yeah, i mean its a bit different between 10 and 10000 :)
Jan 11 00:33:05 <CocoStorm> maybe 30
Jan 11 00:33:37 <CocoStorm> but probably less
Jan 11 00:33:46 <g00s> i'm so used to using sqlite i almost always use it as a replacement for fopen
Jan 11 00:33:47 <jayd16> just use share preferences, make the objects implement Serializable interface
Jan 11 00:34:19 <CocoStorm> jayd16, I'd have to use .putString() though?
Jan 11 00:35:19 <jayd16> oh right, its only primitives.
Jan 11 00:36:41 <CocoStorm> what should I do :S
Jan 11 00:38:45 <jayd16> http://www.mkyong.com/java/how-to-write-an-object-to-file-in-java/
Jan 11 00:39:36 <CocoStorm> but how does that apply to an arrayList?
Jan 11 00:40:52 <jayd16> arrayList is serializable, just make sure your objects are serializable and it'll work out
Jan 11 00:41:36 <CocoStorm> oh really? okay I'll give it a shot :)
Jan 11 00:44:32 <daivyk> jayd16: but shared preferences does not have a putSerializable(), so i maybe wrong, but i think it will not work. only Boolean, Float, String, Int, Long is possible.
Jan 11 00:44:47 <daivyk> the easiest solution is to use google json and just putString()
Jan 11 00:47:24 <daivyk> no? heheheh.. :P
Jan 11 00:50:41 <I440r> doing an ndk build on some assembler sources (no c at all) and im getting "selected processor does not support ARM mode"
Jan 11 00:50:53 <daivyk> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/io/Serializable.html > last section "Recommended Alternatives".
Jan 11 00:50:59 <I440r> problem is my Android.mk does not specify a processor and i have no idea how to do so
Jan 11 00:51:25 <I440r> http://docs.huihoo.com/android/ndk/r5/ANDROID-MK.html  was no help here
Jan 11 00:54:38 <I440r> ha!  LOCAL_CFLAGS := -macpu=cortex-a8  <--- fixt
Jan 11 00:54:52 <I440r> funny im adding CFLAGS to assembler soures :/
Jan 11 00:57:04 <I440r> errr wtf. got my asm shared lib built... ndk-build STRIPPED it
Jan 11 00:57:05 <I440r> wtf
Jan 11 00:58:42 <meetoman> hey guys
Jan 11 00:58:50 <meetoman> what's a good way of getting prefix from uri?
Jan 11 00:58:55 <meetoman> been googling for past half an hour or so
Jan 11 00:59:28 <meetoman> I can do raw split but i m sure there are better way of doing it
Jan 11 00:59:43 <jayd16> what do you mean by prefix?
Jan 11 01:00:17 <meetoman> www.google.com, trying to get "www."
Jan 11 01:00:23 <meetoman> in fact, i just want a host without prefix
Jan 11 01:01:00 <jayd16> new Uri("your String").getHost()?
Jan 11 01:01:19 <meetoman> getHost() has the prefix
Jan 11 01:02:47 <jayd16> so you know it'll always either have www. or it won't and you just want to make sure it always does not have it?
Jan 11 01:03:16 <meetoman> well, the spec does not want it
Jan 11 01:03:23 <meetoman> so i am just following the spec
Jan 11 01:03:32 <meetoman> .net can easily take it out, not sure about java
Jan 11 01:03:33 <ironmarx> Too many pronouns. I'm not clear on what anybody wants anymore.
Jan 11 01:04:58 <meetoman> ironmarx, i just want a Uri that can detect prefix
Jan 11 01:05:19 <meetoman> this is pretty commonly used stuff, I'll write one and open source it if I dont find one
Jan 11 01:06:28 <ironmarx> meetoman: A prefix is any continuous substring of the URI that starts at index 0. The String class can do that.
Jan 11 01:07:52 <meetoman> ironmarx, so "www.google.com" and "google.com, how do i make both return "google.com"
Jan 11 01:08:31 <jayd16> meetoman, what about en.wikipedia.com, do you want the 'en'?
Jan 11 01:08:35 <meetoman> nope
Jan 11 01:08:38 <meetoman> just wikipedia.com
Jan 11 01:09:11 <jayd16> just use string.split('.') and take the last 2
Jan 11 01:09:11 <ironmarx> How about sports.yahoo.com? Removing the earlier part will be a different link than yahoo.com
Jan 11 01:09:29 <ironmarx> (I regret not using developer.android.com)
Jan 11 01:09:33 <meetoman> ironmarx, i just need to know the domain, that's it
Jan 11 01:09:43 <meetoman> been reading on both URI and Uri class
Jan 11 01:09:54 <meetoman> jayd16, problem with that is what if its www.yahoo.com.uk
Jan 11 01:09:58 <meetoman> I do need yahoo.com.uk
Jan 11 01:10:01 <I440r> actually the stripping was right, im not exporting any globals yet lol. so NOW i have my android native forth library file building just fine
Jan 11 01:10:06 <I440r> not WORKING yet
Jan 11 01:10:23 <ironmarx> meetoman: Split on just the first period.
Jan 11 01:10:48 <ironmarx> meetoman: As far as I can understand, that might be what you're looking for. Good luck!
Jan 11 01:10:58 <meetoman> ironmarx, what if its "yahoo.com.uk"
Jan 11 01:17:30 <daivyk> meetoman: your solution is to use Guava library and call InternetDomainName.topPrivateDomain(), it will return what you want.
Jan 11 01:17:32 <CocoStorm> I keep getting EROFS (Read-only file system) error when creating new file
Jan 11 01:17:49 <meetoman> daivyk, found a stackoverflow talks about it
Jan 11 01:17:51 <meetoman> trying it right now
Jan 11 01:17:52 <CocoStorm> or at least when doing new FileOutputStream("filename");
Jan 11 01:17:59 <meetoman> with guava-r07.jar
Jan 11 01:18:51 <daivyk> meetoman: yeah, i was doing a research if is ok to use with Android, but its ok! no problem.
Jan 11 01:20:27 <meetoman> CocoStorm, do you have     <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE"/>?
Jan 11 01:20:35 <CocoStorm> meetoman, yeah
Jan 11 01:21:30 <CocoStorm> this is the code for saving https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8623d713ac1c2390a704
Jan 11 01:21:35 <CocoStorm> maybe I've done something wrong?
Jan 11 01:23:33 <smallfoot-> People told me Eclipse ADT sucks, use Android Studio. So I did, but now I cant import libraries to my project because no gradle file...
Jan 11 01:28:49 <meetoman> daivyk, guava doesnt run with android
Jan 11 01:32:08 <I440r> when building a 100% asm  .so file (using ndk) how do i make GCC also produce an assembler listing. if the freeking stupid build system built the assembler sources with the freeking ASSEMBLER instead of the c compiler i could pass -alm > file.lst
Jan 11 01:32:53 <I440r> i dont want to "only" produce the listing, i want to "ALSO" produce a listing for every build
Jan 11 01:34:01 <smallfoot-> You guys name your REQUEST CODE's like 1000, 2000, 3000 ? or 1001, 1002, 1003, or you go from 1,2,3 or what?
Jan 11 01:35:13 <p_l> I440r: what are you compiling?
Jan 11 01:35:25 <dragorn> smallfoot-: whatever makes you happy
Jan 11 01:35:36 <smallfoot-> any best practice?
Jan 11 01:35:40 <dragorn> smallfoot-: not that I know of
Jan 11 01:35:41 <smallfoot-> or common convention
Jan 11 01:35:54 <p_l> I440r: because outputting assembler listing from assembler source doesn't make any sense, so I suspect a C file composed practically of inline assembly?
Jan 11 01:35:56 <dragorn> it's just an int constant
Jan 11 01:36:22 <p_l> I440r: If so, -S passed to GCC will create an assembly file
Jan 11 01:36:34 <I440r> p_l no it makes perfect sense. or else why would they add the -alm switch to gnu as
Jan 11 01:36:35 <p_l> for the rest, just go with classic makefile stuff
Jan 11 01:36:48 <I440r> p_l no that produces ONLY a listing, not "also" a listing
Jan 11 01:37:45 <p_l> I440r: a listing that can be fed to GCC again to make object code
Jan 11 01:38:15 <p_l> as for gas having listing options, they are there to print macroexpanded/debug-augmented etc.
Jan 11 01:38:18 <daivyk> meetoman: really ?
Jan 11 01:38:49 <p_l> and because it's gnu, adding tons of 0.001%-use options is their schtick, especially if such option existed in some other tool
Jan 11 01:39:00 <I440r> p_l no the ENTIRE reason for producing an assembler listing AT ALL is for the sake of debug. "lets see what the assembler thinks i meant"
Jan 11 01:39:08 <I440r> or "where exactly did the assembler put this"
Jan 11 01:39:57 <p_l> I440r: that's also what GCC will output with -S - it will simply stop before assembling the code. As for producing both listing and object file, I think you need to read about makefiles...
Jan 11 01:40:51 <I440r> p_l no. the -S switch makes gcc output an assembler SOURCE file
Jan 11 01:40:54 <I440r> not an assembler LISTING
Jan 11 01:41:13 <I440r> a listing shows the object code associated with every opcode, the section offset for every opcode
Jan 11 01:41:35 <I440r> tons of other useful debug. having gcc produce an assembler soruce file given my assembler sourcefile is pointless
Jan 11 01:42:45 <p_l> if you want that kind of listing, you can produce it two ways - by telling GCC to pass assembler options (-Wa), or by using -S and feeding it to GNU AS
Jan 11 01:43:52 <I440r> p_l great. how do i tell ndk-build to pass the assembler soruce file that was produced when gcc was passed my ASSEMBLER soruce file to the assembler?
Jan 11 01:44:15 <I440r> gotta love the gnu development tools. they arent totally brain dead at all.
Jan 11 01:44:18 <I440r> not even a little
Jan 11 01:48:31 <meetoman> daivyk, yah, found a version that runs, and this one actually works
Jan 11 01:48:49 <daivyk> meetoman: which one ?
Jan 11 01:49:01 <p_l> I440r: you are aware that ndk-build uses classic makefile, just with a bunch of predefined stuff?
Jan 11 01:50:07 <I440r> p_l yes i know Android.mk is just a Makefile
Jan 11 01:50:50 <p_l> so change the rules to invoke gnu tools the way you want
Jan 11 01:53:01 <I440r> p_l i know im bucking the system here, "-Wa,-al >file.lst" worked
Jan 11 01:53:04 <I440r> yay
Jan 11 01:55:31 <daivyk> meetoman: wierd.. guava 15 is compiled with java 1.6
Jan 11 01:56:00 <daivyk> meetoman: i am checking the .class files and indeed is java 1.6
Jan 11 02:08:23 <arcode> how can i vertically center a listactivity that is composed of a bunch of linearlayouts?
Jan 11 02:15:46 <CocoStorm> Hey guys I'm getting FileNotFoundException: /markerFile: open failed: ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jan 11 02:15:46 <CocoStorm> .  My code is https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3651230799a457737235
Jan 11 02:15:50 <CocoStorm> Does that not create the file?
Jan 11 02:21:45 <arcode> CocoStorm: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9620683/java-fileoutputstream-create-file-if-not-exists
Jan 11 02:22:58 <smallfoot-> Damn, I wish Java supported type infering "var" like in C#
Jan 11 02:23:14 <smallfoot-> Foo foo = new Foo();
Jan 11 02:23:21 <smallfoot-> var foo = new Foo();
Jan 11 02:23:22 <CocoStorm> arcode, oh, also do I need the .txt extension?
Jan 11 02:24:54 <CocoStorm> arcode, now it says open failed, read only file system
Jan 11 02:25:35 <arcode> you shouldn't need an extension, did it create the file?
Jan 11 02:26:53 <CocoStorm> arcode, no it gave me an IOException saying I'm trying to write to a read-only file system
Jan 11 02:28:17 <arcode> maybe yu don't have root permission
Jan 11 02:28:35 <CocoStorm> arcode, what do you mean?
Jan 11 02:28:54 <Chainfire> CocoStorm does your manifest have the permission WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE ?
Jan 11 02:29:02 <CocoStorm> Chainfire, yep
Jan 11 02:30:16 <dragorn> CocoStorm: is your sdcard known working otherwise?  can you make new files on it with astro, etc?
Jan 11 02:30:25 <dragorn> (or some other file manager)
Jan 11 02:31:02 <CocoStorm> dragorn, I'm not sure I haven't tried but it does work
Jan 11 02:31:07 <dragorn> CocoStorm: if so, then secondarily, are you 100% positive you're opening the right path to the external storage, and not ending up in some other RO directory
Jan 11 02:31:09 <CocoStorm> can I not save to internal memory though?
Jan 11 02:31:22 <dragorn> CocoStorm: well, I ask that, because one of the fallback modes linux uses for a broken filesystem is to remount it read only
Jan 11 02:31:32 <CocoStorm> dragorn, ah I see
Jan 11 02:31:49 <CocoStorm> dragorn, how do I check it I'm opening the right path to the external storage? :S
Jan 11 02:31:59 <dragorn> CocoStorm: I've definitely seen that happen when my microsd was failing
Jan 11 02:32:14 <dragorn> CocoStorm: log your file.tostring ?
Jan 11 02:32:35 <CocoStorm> dragorn, I see, couldn't I write to internal memory? it's safer especially if users don't have an external sd card right/
Jan 11 02:32:36 <dragorn> CocoStorm: oh.  as i scroll up
Jan 11 02:32:40 <dragorn> CocoStorm: yyour path is wrong
Jan 11 02:32:50 <dragorn> CocoStorm: you're trying to write to '/markerfile' according to your paste
Jan 11 02:32:52 <Coryn> wow.. fun fact: if you get 1M views on youtube, you can expect +/- 100$ on average. Why even bother?
Jan 11 02:32:57 <CocoStorm> dragorn, yes
Jan 11 02:33:01 <dragorn> that would be in the root of the filesystem, which isn't writeable
Jan 11 02:33:07 <CocoStorm> oh right
Jan 11 02:33:51 <dragorn> there's an api for getting the external storage (which might be the internal memory), check the docs site.  You could *test* a hardcoded path to /mnt/sdcard or something (check your system to see where it's mounted)
Jan 11 02:34:05 <dragorn> but you should really use the API once you've tested since different systems might mount it differently
Jan 11 02:34:58 <CocoStorm> dragorn, I've tried this but it didn't work, but I didn't include any specific file path http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesInternal
Jan 11 02:37:32 <dragorn> CocoStorm: File foo = new File(Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() + "/markerfile");
Jan 11 02:39:39 <CocoStorm> dragorn, now I'm getting this error FileNotFoundException: /markerFile: open failed: ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jan 11 02:40:20 <dragorn> seems like you're not including the path still
Jan 11 02:40:26 <dragorn> it shouldn't be in '/'
Jan 11 02:40:46 <CocoStorm> dragorn, that's strange :S I've replaced it with that code you wrote exactly
Jan 11 02:42:01 <dragorn> Throw it at a log and see what you're creating.
Jan 11 02:42:15 <dragorn> Also throw that environment call at a log and see what it thinks is going on
Jan 11 02:42:15 <CocoStorm> kk
Jan 11 02:42:27 <dragorn> also throw a getexternalstoragestate at a log; I dunno
Jan 11 02:42:53 <arcode> can i nest layouts 3 levels deep?
Jan 11 02:44:58 <CocoStorm> dragorn, Environment: /storage/sdcard0
Jan 11 02:44:58 <CocoStorm>      File: /storage/sdcard0/markerfile
Jan 11 02:46:34 <dragorn> so I think you're not using the file you're making there, because the capitalization doesn't match the error you pasted
Jan 11 02:46:51 <dragorn> maybe you're making a new file variable w/ the broken path still
Jan 11 02:49:04 <CocoStorm> oh dear
Jan 11 02:49:08 <CocoStorm> that's true
Jan 11 02:49:18 <CocoStorm> now that you mention it I forgot to say i have this method too https://gist.github.com/anonymous/282eb3e0c6730b758227
Jan 11 02:50:36 <CocoStorm> dragorn, do i need to use the specific path for the input stream too?
Jan 11 02:52:06 <CocoStorm> okay yep, it finally works
Jan 11 02:52:06 <CocoStorm> *phew*
Jan 11 02:52:15 <Coryn> trying to make a profit via youtube is a no-go, I suppose?
Jan 11 02:52:29 <CocoStorm> thanks dragorn for helping me out
Jan 11 02:52:35 <dragorn> cool
Jan 11 02:52:38 <CocoStorm> :)
Jan 11 02:52:48 <CocoStorm> I used the same filepath for the input stream and it went smoothly
Jan 11 02:59:55 <otiose> so im reading about the WebView's vulnerability with addJavascriptInterface, and here http://blogs.avg.com/mobile/analyzing-android-webview-exploit/ it says "So if you develop an application for SDK version 17 or higher, you must add the @JavascriptInterface annotation to any method that you want available to your JavaScript."
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