**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 20 02:59:59 2014 Jan 20 03:04:29 Hey guys! I'm wondering what is the best approach to make a login activity flux through my app... I'm using Google+ Sign-in integration. Jan 20 03:04:30 I mean... Start the Main activity, and check if I need to call the Login activity? Or the inverse way? Jan 20 03:18:50 CocoStorm: anyway, seriously learn about proper database programming and protection against SQLi and similar... Jan 20 03:41:23 always start the main activity first Jan 20 03:41:30 and you're gone Jan 20 03:52:02 is there a dropdown spinner that actually drops down? or it only pops up a popup for selection ? Jan 20 03:53:17 I'd rather use a dropdown spinner to select categories of lists, rather than tabs or pager, its easier to use Jan 20 03:55:22 and setting the background color seems not that simple for ContextMenu popup, or dropdown popup, I have to create styles.xml and all this stuff, instead of just .setBackgroundColor(... Jan 20 03:56:55 if I was Obama I would make it illegal to use white background, along with the other energy saving laws, like phasing out of incadescent light bulbs Jan 20 03:57:37 then he'd really get accused with racism ;) Jan 20 03:57:45 haha Jan 20 03:58:52 Do white backgrounds still make a difference? We aren't using cathode tubes anymore Jan 20 03:59:21 it's about as smart as staring into the sun Jan 20 04:01:03 I would think white backgrounds still burn through battery a lot faster Jan 20 04:03:12 ok something funky is going on, i made a change to some code and my app barfs on a null pointer. undid the change and its still barfing Jan 20 04:03:31 clean Jan 20 04:03:38 its breaking on my mview.invalidate() which suggests that mview is not valid Jan 20 04:04:06 my onREsume has mview = findViewById(R.Id.mapView); Jan 20 04:04:19 so why is mview.invalidate() a null pointer exception? Jan 20 04:04:35 I440r: did you clean ? Jan 20 04:04:43 there is no make clean in intellij Jan 20 04:04:54 it rebuilds all on debug Jan 20 04:05:00 oh Jan 20 04:05:01 or i can just say "build all" Jan 20 04:05:47 if doing it caused it, undoing it should fix it Jan 20 04:06:12 actually gimme a sec i might know wtf Jan 20 04:06:18 nope still doing it Jan 20 04:06:29 intelij idea keeps creating new debug profiles randomly Jan 20 04:07:14 but anyway. rebuild project followed by debug project did not resolve the null pointer Jan 20 04:07:26 why is a pointer i know im initializing null by the time i try use it Jan 20 04:08:02 or maybe theres something inside mview thats null now? Jan 20 04:08:05 not mview itself? Jan 20 04:08:41 no idea Jan 20 04:12:27 ok this is freeking WEIRD Jan 20 04:12:50 if(null != mview) { mview.invalidate(); } Jan 20 04:13:00 well. the invalidate is now happening and NOT null pointer Jan 20 04:13:14 if i remove the if part and just invalidate it null pointers Jan 20 04:13:36 shouldn't it be if(mview != null) ??? Jan 20 04:13:44 no Jan 20 04:13:49 its a safeguard thing Jan 20 04:13:59 if(q = 1) always returns true Jan 20 04:14:09 if(q == 1) is what you mean Jan 20 04:14:10 so by doing Jan 20 04:14:18 ok Jan 20 04:14:28 if(1 == q) if you forget the double equals it halts compilation Jan 20 04:14:36 if(1 = q) oopts thi wont work Jan 20 04:15:03 its something experienced c coders have done for a long time. NOWADAYS if you do if(q = 1) the compiler warns you about it Jan 20 04:15:19 so its not a big deal so much any more - but good habits die hard Jan 20 04:15:31 unless its a boolean op in it, like boolean u; if(u = true) doWhatever(); it will always run Jan 20 04:15:31 that might be the first time I'm seeing null on the left side Jan 20 04:15:50 only failure in type safe and avoiding assignment error Jan 20 04:15:58 xxcoder good point Jan 20 04:16:11 easy to avoid, be lazier and use if(u) doWhatever(); Jan 20 04:16:15 if(true = u) will always fail Jan 20 04:16:49 i avoid that because its overly terse. i prefer to be SLIGHTLY more verbose in this case Jan 20 04:17:02 something is nullifying my mview pointer Jan 20 04:17:06 and its not me Jan 20 04:17:21 i know thats happening because NOW my view is no longer being invalidated Jan 20 04:17:25 it was at first but now its not Jan 20 04:17:41 who would nullify my views pointer and why?" Jan 20 04:17:44 its not me Jan 20 04:21:19 actually my mview is null - the invalidates im getting happen every 3 or 4 seconds so android is invalidating the view every now and then for me Jan 20 04:21:57 my only invalidate call for this view is wrapped inside an if(null) and it IS null - even though the view itself exists. the reference to it is being nullified Jan 20 04:22:01 srsly. wtf over? Jan 20 04:23:18 why is my screen full of I440r's rantings ... Jan 20 04:23:20 mview is a reference to an instance of a mapView class. the class exists bcause i can SEE the image associated with it being updated Jan 20 04:23:38 why are you being a dick? Jan 20 04:23:50 catfight Jan 20 04:24:23 no not really. but im not spamming this channel im giving information about whats happening and asking for possible answers as to WHY it would happen Jan 20 04:24:35 if bankai_ has anything positive and helpful to say it would be appreciated Jan 20 04:24:42 i can't see any useful information - can you show us some code or a ST or something ? Jan 20 04:24:54 no i can not show you any code. whats an ST? Jan 20 04:25:23 ST - stacktrace Jan 20 04:26:51 its null throwing a null pointer exception on mview.invalidate(). ie between my onResume() where i init mview and the first invalidate the reference is being nullified Jan 20 04:27:01 the view is not be destroyed Jan 20 04:27:07 just its reference Jan 20 04:27:30 did you try turning it on and off again ? Jan 20 04:27:36 ? Jan 20 04:27:38 what is 'mview' ? Jan 20 04:27:56 an instance of a mapView class Jan 20 04:28:04 which is a custom view specified in my layout Jan 20 04:28:26 mview = findViewById(R.Id.mapView); Jan 20 04:28:49 i do that in my onResume. by the time i do an invalidate the mview reference to the view is NULL Jan 20 04:28:56 and im not nullifying it Jan 20 04:32:25 need to see some code Jan 20 04:32:58 findViewById(R.id.mapView).invalidate() is also throwing a null pointer exceptoion Jan 20 04:33:07 therefor SOMETHING is destroying the view Jan 20 04:33:18 and thers no logcat of anything causing that Jan 20 04:38:18 I440r: bankai_ is right, if you want help you should show the code, we can't speculate the unknown Jan 20 04:38:31 this code does not get shared lol Jan 20 04:38:45 im not asking "what did this" im asking "what COULD do this" Jan 20 04:39:21 your Custom View Jan 20 04:39:40 which i did not change and was working before. i undid the change i made yet the breakage stayed Jan 20 04:40:22 wait till you find that missing semicolon Jan 20 04:40:35 which the compiler would have warned me about :P Jan 20 04:40:41 erm the ide Jan 20 04:40:58 try using a real ide, throw away that eclipse crap your using and install intellij idea Jan 20 04:41:18 I did install AS at least Jan 20 04:41:19 even google thinks eclipse is a pile of crap which is why they are moving towards idea Jan 20 04:41:26 AS? Jan 20 04:41:27 I'm still new kindof Jan 20 04:41:38 oh Jan 20 04:41:40 android studio Jan 20 04:41:42 thats good Jan 20 04:41:44 thats IDEA Jan 20 04:41:49 I know Jan 20 04:42:18 at times like these the best way to solve the problem is to Jan 20 04:42:22 1: close the IDE Jan 20 04:42:25 2: open youtube Jan 20 04:42:30 3: open a bottle of JD Jan 20 04:42:34 4: watch a movie and get drunk Jan 20 04:42:36 I started android dev just before AS was out Jan 20 04:42:37 5: sleep on it Jan 20 04:42:54 im not exactly an expert at android dev :) Jan 20 04:43:16 still a beginner in eclipse, but I am more comfortable in eclipse still Jan 20 04:43:24 but thus far, with less than " <--- this much knowledge about NDK development... i think im the leading expert on it in here lol Jan 20 04:43:39 or else all the real experts are letting me flop around Jan 20 04:44:02 shmooz, do yourself a HUGE favor. UNINSTALL eclipse Jan 20 04:44:09 just rm -rf * inside its directory Jan 20 04:44:20 no way, I love my Juno Jan 20 04:44:23 get rid of it, stumble around in the dark of AS/IDEA till you get used to it Jan 20 04:44:35 your pain will never end Jan 20 04:44:44 I hacked it to have the dark theme Jan 20 04:44:54 felt like a hack anyway Jan 20 04:45:03 i downloaded a sublime text theme for intellij idea Jan 20 04:45:22 I use Darkula on AS Jan 20 04:45:34 that was easier than getting Eclipse to be dark background Jan 20 04:45:35 you HAVE to hack it to theme it and you cannot totally theme it Jan 20 04:45:42 and you cannot turn off folding Jan 20 04:45:44 at all Jan 20 04:45:53 well. you can turn it off for ONE FILE AT A TIME Jan 20 04:45:59 well I got the widgets a dark gray and the text area all black Jan 20 04:46:00 close that file and open it again and folding is enabled again Jan 20 04:46:02 good enough Jan 20 04:46:16 have you seen sublime text? Jan 20 04:46:26 no Jan 20 04:46:30 download it and check it out. its default color theme is about the best ive ever seen Jan 20 04:46:38 and now i have it in ST and IDEA Jan 20 04:47:33 hmmm Jan 20 04:48:20 yeah it does look nice Jan 20 04:48:59 is there an ST plugin for Eclipse too ? Jan 20 04:49:17 if you want to be totally blown away by that editors features Jan 20 04:49:27 click on the support tab in is web page Jan 20 04:49:44 and watch the "perfect workflow" vids linked there Jan 20 04:51:21 Hey guys Jan 20 04:51:54 I'm about to get an android phone to have along-side my iPhone which can be used for dev purposes Jan 20 04:52:18 I'm wondering if theres any benefit of one android over another for this purpose, I can't decide which to purchase Jan 20 04:52:23 Money is of no concern Jan 20 04:53:48 AllTuna: depends what you're doing really. can't go wrong with a nexus though Jan 20 04:53:51 depending on exactly what you're planning to develop, it doesn't really make all that much difference Jan 20 04:54:33 You want a phone specifically for dev? You're going to want to add a minimum phone to that list. A really cheap one to test on older devices Jan 20 04:54:38 it's possible - but not certain - you could find issues in the differences between vendor builds Jan 20 04:54:51 (like samsung) Jan 20 04:55:37 I don't really understand the whole android system ATM, vendors bring out their own firmware? Jan 20 04:55:41 I'm currently using and developing on the nexus 5. Straight from Google, pretty powerful, little bloat, and up to date Jan 20 04:56:27 Android is open source. Anyone can do... Uh... Anything before loading it on a device, right? Isn't that what Samsung does? Jan 20 04:56:32 What about screen-size, is there a benefit to having, 'the most popular size', how do you test on other sizes? Jan 20 04:56:33 AllTuna: companies take the google source code, add drivers for their device, add rubbish, then release Jan 20 04:56:48 if you're REALLY lucky you'll get a carrier branded, manufacturer branded, which is shit on shit :) Jan 20 04:57:54 The most popular size is difficult. Not only do the sizes vary greatly, but so do the resolutions and dpis. Remember, some people have Andriod on their watch, some on their TV Jan 20 04:58:15 AllTuna: you need to have a bit of a read of some of the developer docs, to work out how things like screen sizes work Jan 20 04:59:01 But will it affect my purchase? Jan 20 04:59:13 if you're only going to get 'one' device, then of course Jan 20 04:59:17 it depends partly on what you're planning to develop Jan 20 05:00:15 AllTuna: don't forget, there's always the android emulator. While it's rather painfully slow, it does allow to do things like see how you app looks in different screen sizes Jan 20 05:00:19 Well I'd want to hit as many devices as possible, do you guys have multiple sized devices to test on, is this required? Jan 20 05:00:22 You can emulate several devices, but this is slow. Idk guys, would that be a good way to go? Get the most popular size then just emulate 1:1 to check the rest and make sure it looks fine? Jan 20 05:00:24 in particular, it's probably more important if you're thinking games or other performance/media/custom-UI stuff... if it's a front-end for an existing network service, say, and you're going to use native widgets, it's less of an issue Jan 20 05:00:52 AllTuna: you can use the emulator for different sizes Jan 20 05:01:29 Also, is it a bad time to get a phone, should I be waiting Jan 20 05:01:38 many releases come around feb dont they? Jan 20 05:01:39 I'd get a Nexus 5 if I were you to start and then a old gingerbread 2.3 phone Jan 20 05:01:49 it's always a good/bad time to get a phone... if it's just for dev, it won't matter that much Jan 20 05:01:51 2.3? :S Jan 20 05:02:03 still at 21% Jan 20 05:02:11 Leeds, if I prefer it to my iPhone, It'll also become my dominant phone Jan 20 05:02:19 AllTuna: what sort of development? Jan 20 05:02:47 All sorts of app dev, app dev company startup Jan 20 05:02:58 I send shmooz, unless you specifically want a tablet Jan 20 05:03:25 Second * Jan 20 05:04:21 I have a HTC Panache 2.3 (canadian MyTouch 4G clone) phone with a Nexus 7 tablet myself, perfect :) Jan 20 05:04:38 Hows the G2>? Jan 20 05:05:51 Not too powerful. Can't run some Snes games in emulation that the s3 can, if that helps put perspective on it Jan 20 05:06:20 Hmm, but the HTC One can? Jan 20 05:06:55 HTC one of a pretty competent phone Jan 20 05:07:50 Geez, none of these phones are particularly beautiful.. Jan 20 05:07:53 Anyone here have experience with monodevelop without unity for Android development? Recommended or no? Jan 20 05:08:11 * bankai_ shudders at the thought Jan 20 05:09:15 QQuixotic: you'd like HuaWei Ascend P6, it looks like an iPhone Jan 20 05:09:32 or sorry that was to AllTuna Jan 20 05:10:20 that's probably the nicest huawei phone i've ever seen Jan 20 05:10:41 yeah it is nice Jan 20 05:11:00 I'm not going to be able to decide this.. Jan 20 05:11:40 AllTuna: you'd also like Sony Experia Z because its thin and waterproof Jan 20 05:11:50 Huge though Jan 20 05:12:37 oh ok then you want the Moto X Jan 20 05:12:58 damn I should work for T-Mobile or something Jan 20 05:13:20 What are your thought on the S4 Jan 20 05:13:41 get the google play edition Jan 20 05:13:45 i would highly highly discourage anyone buying a samsung :) Jan 20 05:14:10 bankai_, why Jan 20 05:14:10 Powerful, but a lot of bloat. Like... Just the most. Some of the features are rather nice, though Jan 20 05:14:19 haaan?/? Jan 20 05:14:55 AllTuna: they are just f'ing weird, back button is in a weird place, shit UI, but yeah as shmooz said go for the google play edition if you want one of those, less crud. Hardware is alright Jan 20 05:15:35 Not an option in Australia Jan 20 05:15:52 S4 is probebly the nicest design, and it helps that its so popular Jan 20 05:15:53 they don't have them in our store? meh go with a nexus 5 then Jan 20 05:16:14 in a fragment transaction the container argument in replace(R.id.container, new_fragment) is that container replaced, or the contents of it, leaving the container intact? Jan 20 05:16:59 Don't really like the look of the 5. I think for me its between S4, G2, HTC One Jan 20 05:17:12 In terms of screen res and performance how do they compare Jan 20 05:17:39 zzxx: just basic thing i know is that fragments are used to replace contents not the containers Jan 20 05:17:49 AllTuna: what about Moto X ? Jan 20 05:17:51 jaami-win: ok thanks! Jan 20 05:17:54 AllTuna: http://www.gsmarena.com/ use this site it'll give you a run down Jan 20 05:18:45 find page is nice of that site Jan 20 05:19:22 Ooh theres a dual sim HTC One, wish I could get that here Jan 20 05:19:34 check kogan Jan 20 05:19:48 I've gotta get this on a plan Jan 20 05:19:54 thats why money isn't an issue Jan 20 05:20:09 does anyone have any suggestions as to why getView() - called from within a fragment, and after onCreateView has finished executing - would always return null? Jan 20 05:20:10 (even though there should be a view tree available) Jan 20 05:20:14 well all i had to do to fix the null pointer was CLOSE THE EMU grrr Jan 20 05:20:18 and fire it up again Jan 20 05:20:21 stupid google Jan 20 05:20:45 AllTuna: Moto X is closest to Nexus and has more useful additions than Samsung, like waking up the phone while driving by talking to it Jan 20 05:20:51 Idk about Australia, but here in the US the cost they add to your monthly bill for phones virtually always is MUCH more than the unlocked phone Jan 20 05:21:08 QQuixotic, oh, I know, my parents are paying though haha Jan 20 05:22:20 Whats the learning curve of android development. I wonder if I should get it before or after releasing my iPhone app Jan 20 05:22:42 big one if you're coming from iOS ;) Jan 20 05:23:01 is ios easier, or just different? Jan 20 05:23:24 just different, some stuff easier, some stuff harder Jan 20 05:23:25 i found android easier than ios Jan 20 05:24:04 but really i have no experience of developing IOs app Jan 20 05:26:57 learn anything but not damn sencha Jan 20 05:27:04 i hate sencha Jan 20 05:29:52 i'm a newbie, isn't "setOnClickListener" an interface? Jan 20 05:30:55 OnClickListener is Jan 20 05:33:54 Has anyone else here had issues transitioning to Android Studio and getting an import error saying that Gradle 1.8 and higher is supported? I'm positive that my Eclipse and its ADT plugin is fully updated, I'm not sure where the issue is Jan 20 05:34:20 guifa: lots of people have that issue Jan 20 05:35:04 So long story short, skip out on AS for now til it's more stable? Or is there a quick fix? Jan 20 05:36:08 so whats the easy way to do sqlite? ormlite? Jan 20 05:37:08 guifa: check out http://tools.android.com/knownissues i think that explains it Jan 20 05:39:13 hehe, gotta love typos: "Note: You must use Gradle 1.9 with Gradle 0.4.0." Jan 20 05:39:34 can someone tell me what happens when the user clicks somewhere in the main_activity (supposing we've implemented onClick() ) actually i want to know what the role of setOnClickListener is. Jan 20 05:40:59 levo1: isn't it kind of self explanitory ? Jan 20 05:43:27 bankai_: what i don't get is this: when we click on the screen who detects the clicked coordinate? and then what button.setOnClickListener(l) means. i looked the documentation but wasn't much helpful Jan 20 05:45:25 setOnClickListener sets onClick handler for that view, in this case a button Jan 20 05:49:14 levo1: I'll take a stab at it: When a button is pressed. The button is able to let other classes in your program know this. It could be any class at all. However, the button is not going to go around and tell every single class in your program that it was clicked. 99% of the time the class will no care and it will be a waste of resources to do so.... Jan 20 05:49:52 Therefore, if a clas is interested in knowing whether or not a button was clicked, it can let the button know by registering itself with the button Jan 20 05:50:04 this is the setOnClickListener Jan 20 05:50:18 it is like telling the button that you want to know when it is clicked. Jan 20 05:53:18 zzxx: so it informs its own activity (button.setOnClickListener(this) ) why OnClick() gets loaded? i mean how the activity class knows it should run the OnClick() ? Jan 20 05:56:54 When the button is clicked, it goes through the list of all the objects that have called to setOnClickListener(View.OnClickListener) and calls the OnClick(View) function in them Jan 20 05:57:25 each class that wants to be called by the button when it is clicked must implement the View.OnClickListener Interface Jan 20 05:58:26 another clarification, the Activity class does not call the onclick method, the button does Jan 20 05:58:49 levo1: What ide are you using? Jan 20 05:58:56 zzxx: eclipse Jan 20 05:59:00 ADT bundle Jan 20 06:00:00 ah, ok, I was going to suggest somehting, but I do not know if it works in eclipse ADT. only Android studio :/ Jan 20 06:00:47 zzxx: i have some college c++ knowledge, and this way of doing things seems little odd to me. can you suggest something to study which helps me understand the concepts? Jan 20 06:01:05 d.android.com Jan 20 06:01:08 zzxx: because in Android books they don't tell such things Jan 20 06:01:30 zzxx: d.android.com doesn't explain the process, does it? Jan 20 06:02:13 levo1: youtube has live examples Jan 20 06:02:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_pattern Jan 20 06:03:02 i cant say for sure, but im pretty sure if you start at the beginning and work your way through, d.android.com should help you understand it. Jan 20 06:03:30 also shmooz has a good point. look it up on youtube Jan 20 06:08:38 zzxx: thank you very much for your helpful response Jan 20 06:09:43 levo1: no prob Jan 20 06:56:17 Why do I have to hit the run button twice in ADT/Eclipse? Jan 20 06:56:27 if I do it once, then it just runs the previous build Jan 20 06:57:44 anybody experience the same problem? Jan 20 06:58:05 not me Jan 20 07:00:41 happens with 3 different versions of ADT with 3 different PCs, so I'm guessing it's an issue with the phone Jan 20 07:00:50 but it's Galaxy Nexus :/ Jan 20 07:12:25 hmm Jan 20 07:13:08 it's coz eclipse is shit and probably fires off the cached pre-built copy it has Jan 20 07:31:12 Can I create AudioTrack with sample rate that's different from the native output sample rate? Jan 20 07:31:24 I don't want to bother converting Jan 20 07:31:59 What's the worst thing that could happen? Jan 20 07:34:35 You could destroy the universe Jan 20 07:35:17 sweet Jan 20 07:35:47 or create an audio file that regardless of source sounds like mickey mouse or satan Jan 20 07:40:34 What is the fastest/efficient method to abort an http request? Jan 20 07:40:58 I wish the documentation on AudioTrack was clearer... Jan 20 07:41:12 The least they could do is give sample code, but no... Jan 20 07:42:15 napster probably close the socket Jan 20 07:42:33 whacking it with a hammer is faster Jan 20 07:43:00 shmooz: how about using a Kalashnikov? :) Jan 20 07:43:06 System.exit(0); Jan 20 07:43:18 napster: even better Jan 20 07:43:27 lurkerzero, what's unclear about it? Jan 20 07:43:30 shoot the phone ;) Jan 20 07:43:54 g00s: Heres a use case. I have a view pager, and the user swiping around fragments randomly. Jan 20 07:44:11 Zharf: if I create AudioTrack with sample rate that's different from native sample rate, what happens? Jan 20 07:44:34 Does AudioTrack do the upconvert/downconvert automatically, or does it fail entirely? Jan 20 07:44:36 I need to abort an http request, as fast as possible when a fragment is out of view Jan 20 07:44:58 each fragment in the view pager triggers an http request Jan 20 07:45:08 in the onCreateView() Jan 20 07:45:52 it would also be fine to abort it, when the user "begins to swipe" Jan 20 07:46:21 lurkerzero, resampling happens Jan 20 07:46:22 it should happen as early as possible, for the upcoming fragment to fire a new request Jan 20 07:46:56 lurkerzero, the documentation says it supports from 1Hz to 2*native sampling rate, I have my doubts about 1Hz but it's been working fine for me in all cases Jan 20 07:47:48 napster i dont use http actually; so i'm not to familiar with what the libs do there, but i would imagine you would fire off a concurrent request and just ignore the original one Jan 20 07:48:07 Zharf: Oh yeah I see it under setPlaybackRate() function description Jan 20 07:48:13 that's good Jan 20 07:48:22 thanks :) Jan 20 07:48:33 g00s: hmm, that is what I currently have. But, in my observation, that eats up bandwidth. Jan 20 07:48:47 lurkerzero, no problem Jan 20 07:48:58 g00s: The http libs have two methods Jan 20 07:49:08 either abort the connection from the client object Jan 20 07:49:18 or close the request object. Jan 20 07:50:11 The earlier one uses the Connection Manager's abort() method Jan 20 07:50:36 napster seems like basic lazy loading stuff to me, i think there are livbs out there for that like retrofit ? Jan 20 07:50:44 x/abort()/shutdown() Jan 20 07:51:05 g00s: ok, let me check retrofit Jan 20 07:51:31 i thought one of the square libraries was for this and had a cache Jan 20 07:52:22 oh that was probably picasso Jan 20 07:52:36 g00s: Does volley have something? Jan 20 07:52:45 anyhow this isn't my area, yeah maybe look at that too Jan 20 07:52:55 napster: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7007731/how-to-cancel-defaulhttpclient-execution-process-in-multithread Jan 20 07:53:15 shmooz: ok Jan 20 07:53:47 maybe its okhttp Jan 20 07:53:49 shmooz: I have infact came across almost all questions related to this on SOF Jan 20 07:54:06 ConnectionManager.shutdown() is somewhat slow in practice. Jan 20 07:54:14 I don't think it releases the connection properly Jan 20 07:55:00 g00s: ok looks like square does have some good stuff Jan 20 07:55:12 napster: he says later on that he solved it with AsyncTask's cancel() which calls onCancelled and he puts abort() in there Jan 20 07:55:32 shmooz: I used abort as well. :) Jan 20 07:55:52 in onCancelled ? Jan 20 07:55:54 I was just thinking if there exists a higher performance method or not Jan 20 07:56:25 well, abort() or shutdown(), all should be called from an onCancelled Jan 20 07:56:38 network on mainhtread is excepted from 4.0+ or something Jan 20 07:58:12 I came across this one yesterday : http://android-developers.blogspot.in/2010/07/multithreading-for-performance.html Jan 20 07:58:29 this is specifically for image loading in a listview Jan 20 07:58:48 but it does have some intuitive stuff in it. Jan 20 08:46:55 bankai_ reading another great UI book Jan 20 08:47:17 http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920032496.do Jan 20 08:54:56 Hi guys Jan 20 09:19:13 is there a simple way to get the GMT+x ID out of a TimeZone? Jan 20 09:21:43 Good morning. Anyone knows why my devices tend to show offline 90% of time. I have to reboot my pc/phones to get them working. I'm running debian linux. They used to work all the time on my laptop, but this pc is having problems. Jan 20 09:25:13 just restart adb service Jan 20 09:25:27 or if you haven't updated adb in a while do so Jan 20 09:32:11 lemonxah : I have restarted countless times, and it's up to date. Jan 20 09:32:29 Have tried most of I can think of and find in google Jan 20 09:33:15 did you install adb on debian? or are you using adb that comes with the sdk? Jan 20 09:33:32 First time I encountered "offline" problem, usualy it's just not detected or no permissions with "??????????" Jan 20 09:33:33 cause there is an adb package in debian but its outdated Jan 20 09:34:30 check your adb version Jan 20 09:34:35 with "adb version" Jan 20 09:34:38 It can also show as offline if the device was connected before unlocking the device (if you have a PIN lock on) Jan 20 09:34:44 lemonxah, I'm not using deb package. My version is "Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.31" Jan 20 09:34:52 hmm Jan 20 09:35:11 Or if you have Adb-over-wifi enabled Jan 20 09:35:16 On the device Jan 20 09:35:25 I have it on one of devices Jan 20 09:35:50 JuiceSSH, I'll try to remove see how it goes. Jan 20 09:36:10 How can I get both CET and GMT-1 if I get the available IDs from TimeZone.getAvailableIDs(int offsetMillis) Jan 20 09:36:20 that's not supposed to happen... Jan 20 09:36:24 imho... Jan 20 09:36:46 why? Jan 20 09:36:58 because CET is GMT+1 Jan 20 09:37:02 oh yeah, right Jan 20 09:37:16 JuiceSSH, no luck with that Jan 20 09:37:18 I subconsciously added the extra line there Jan 20 09:38:39 it gives me like 20 entries for africa, one for the atlantic, one for the arctic!, CET and Etc/GMT-1 Jan 20 09:38:40 Well it's not the end of the world. 2 out of 3 phones work (with reconnecting few times) and my VM works as well, but still kinda annoying Jan 20 09:38:41 ... Jan 20 09:40:47 ls Jan 20 09:41:01 ls: command not found Jan 20 09:41:29 ... is it possible that android handles GMT inverted internally? Jan 20 09:42:21 because honolulu which is GMT-10 is listed as ETC/GMT+10 Jan 20 09:43:17 that stuff is so confusing, i think everyone in the world should use the same timezone Jan 20 09:43:27 are you sure you're not just reading the offset backwards? Jan 20 09:43:34 and not more DST ! Jan 20 09:43:38 :P Jan 20 09:44:54 there are well over 1 billion people in UTC+8 with no DST :D Jan 20 09:45:04 Leeds I'm just printing whatever I get from TimeZone.getAvailableIDs(int offsetMillis) Jan 20 09:45:36 I mean.. maybe I could invert the offset Jan 20 09:45:54 but... CET is GMT+1, not -1 Jan 20 09:46:29 and when I set my phone to honolulu it even says it's -10, but when I print the time it's +10 Jan 20 09:47:36 How manage floating point data introduction and save in file where country uses ',' how decimal separator instead of '.' ? I'm developing a project in which using Italian like main language the decimal separator is ',' but in soft keyboard only '.' works. Overall when I do String.format("%f", x) I get 123,456 so ALL is a NIGHTMARE ... Jan 20 09:49:10 if i have a view in my xml and i have given the view a margin on the left will the margin area be counted as part of the overall width of the view? Jan 20 09:53:21 Hi all, whats the difference between fragmentTransaction remove fragment and fragmentmanager.popupbackstack? Jan 20 09:54:30 shineworld save floats in binary format ? Jan 20 09:54:48 string Jan 20 09:54:51 in XML format Jan 20 09:59:25 Save them in one format, always. Display using user Locale. Jan 20 10:02:56 shineworld so ime type is numeric but only '.' works in the soft keyboard ? Jan 20 10:04:25 shineworld i think you better store it in xml the right way ;) http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#float Jan 20 10:04:40 lexical rep: For example, -1E4, 1267.43233E12, 12.78e-2, 12 , -0, 0 and INF are all legal literals for float. Jan 20 10:06:29 yes only . works ... I'm using: android:inputType="numberDecimal|numberSigned" Jan 20 10:06:56 I edit floating points without exponential so only "-123.456" Jan 20 10:07:22 man, i think android is buggy but … i find that hard to believe ! so if your phone is localized to italy, you can't type 123,456 ? Jan 20 10:07:33 Could someone please point me to tutorial or doc on how to create custom component that uses xml to define it's visuals. Jan 20 10:07:39 I've just now found that i can add "Locale.US" to format go get always floating points strings using '.' instead of country dependent char Jan 20 10:07:58 String.format(Locale.US, "%." + String.valueOf(decimal) + "f", v); Jan 20 10:08:13 in this way I can modify my software to use always US way Jan 20 10:09:39 My phone is localized "Italy" and when I use android:inputType="numberDecimal|numberSigned" I can enter only . and not ,... Jan 20 10:09:58 4.2.2 AOSP (almost AOSP because is a rockchip tablet) Jan 20 10:12:21 I guess the thing I'm looking for is "Compound Views" ? Jan 20 10:31:18