**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 26 02:59:59 2014 Jan 26 03:37:45 Jesus, finally!! There was nothing wrong with the C++ code, it was a bug in Eclipse/CDT flagging includes as missing when the code was compiling fine. Doing a complete clean/rebuild and restarting eclipse and it finally built it ok. So that's a couple of hours lost :) Jan 26 03:40:48 ah, Eclipse and the infamous "Clean" button strikes again Jan 26 03:42:06 I swear I clicked "clean" bout 20 times - it was restarting eclipse that finally did it. Was driving me nuts :) Jan 26 03:42:16 lol Jan 26 03:44:15 intelliJ++ Jan 26 03:46:23 Heh, I think I'll try that for my next project. Just need to get this one finished now - got a week to do 2 week's worth of work (which is why I'm working at 03:46 on a Sunday morning!) Jan 26 04:24:51 quick question Jan 26 04:25:08 for mNewValues.put(UserDictionary.Words.APP_ID, "example.user"); Jan 26 04:25:25 if i add words to the userdictionary how do I know what my app id is? Jan 26 04:25:36 getpackagename seems to be incorrect Jan 26 05:25:06 anybody have experience with the userdictionary content provider? Jan 26 05:25:17 i've insterted words with an app_id Jan 26 05:25:36 but if i try to delete them with the same app id, it never finds anything to delete Jan 26 05:45:21 it's the uid... Jan 26 05:46:31 Docs.... they're out there ... http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/UserDictionary.Words.html Jan 26 05:46:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier Jan 26 05:47:47 not uuid Jan 26 05:47:55 uid Jan 26 05:48:34 in every case it was 0 Jan 26 05:48:44 even though if I insert with a contentvalue Jan 26 05:48:54 that has app_id = myPackageName Jan 26 05:49:45 based on the docs, the APP_ID is supposed to identify the app that did the insert Jan 26 05:49:50 because package name is absolutely wrong Jan 26 05:50:20 why is reading the docs so difficult... Jan 26 05:50:31 well i DID read them, but maybe i misunderstood them Jan 26 05:50:40 in the example they use "example.user" Jan 26 05:50:50 http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/content-provider-basics.html#Query Jan 26 05:50:56 *frack* - messed up on my wiki-fu Jan 26 05:50:58 public static final String APP_ID Jan 26 05:51:08 hmm Jan 26 05:51:25 I wonder what that looks like Jan 26 05:51:28 oh is see public static final String APP_ID Jan 26 05:51:28 Added in API level 3 Jan 26 05:51:29 The uid of the application that inserted the word. Jan 26 05:51:29 TYPE: INTEGER Jan 26 05:51:44 so it's an int, not a string Jan 26 05:51:50 right, why so hard to read... Jan 26 05:51:54 (confusing) Jan 26 05:52:08 esp b/c in the example they use a string app_id Jan 26 05:52:40 examples are just that Jan 26 05:52:45 never canonical Jan 26 05:53:04 file a docs bug for that example Jan 26 05:53:25 so the correct behavior is: Jan 26 05:53:45 app_id should be a integer uniquely identifiying the app that added the row Jan 26 05:54:41 uid Jan 26 05:54:51 not an arbitrary int Jan 26 05:55:25 ok, i'll try with an int and we'll see what happens Jan 26 05:55:32 thanks for the help thus far, pfn Jan 26 05:55:47 public static final String APP_ID = "appid"; Jan 26 05:55:49 string, Int part is wrong Jan 26 05:56:02 not any int Jan 26 05:56:12 this int http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Process.html#myUid() Jan 26 05:56:46 oh i see. i was just going to generate a UUID Jan 26 06:03:44 a uuid is too big for an int Jan 26 06:04:31 but not too big for an integer value in sql Jan 26 06:06:23 so use a long instead of an int Jan 26 06:17:01 is there a way to notice the user that he can slide the viewpager? Jan 26 06:17:58 Have you seen the Galaxy Nexus lock screen? Jan 26 06:18:55 It shows sort of square brackets ( [ and ] ) at each side of the screen when the screen is shown, which fades out Jan 26 06:19:21 which android version? Jan 26 06:19:31 4.2.1 I think Jan 26 06:20:45 well, i have nexus 4, but I don't remember this animation Jan 26 06:23:30 Yeah, it's not on the N5 either, but I vividly remember it on the GN =) Either way, I found it a nice way to indicate swiping, some simple, very visible, graphic on the side that fades out Jan 26 06:25:35 hello I have a Mainclass that has a class inside which contains a number I want to store. how can I go about doing that? Jan 26 06:25:48 that number I want to use outside of that class but inside the Mainclass Jan 26 06:25:56 I'll tell you why I need it. I have 2 fragment in tabs navigation that could be 1 fragment if the device screen is bigger then 4 inch (it a waste of tab in 4 inch+). Jan 26 06:27:03 there is also third tab. so there are 2 tabs in 4 inch+. the problem it that the tab length it to demn long (first tab: Short URL, second tab: Upload image >> Short Url and Upload image) Jan 26 06:35:00 I ahve swipes and tabs and one button that I want to change functionality for each tab. how can I do that? Jan 26 06:40:55 haha got it! Jan 26 07:11:02 ugh, stupid AS clobbered my manifest when I created an activity Jan 26 07:11:31 and gave it the wrong name its considerably more difficult to swipe when you have peanut butter on your fingers Jan 26 07:34:50 is it chunky? Jan 26 07:35:00 in fact, it is Jan 26 07:35:18 :-). . . . Jan 26 07:35:58 * g00s is embarrassed to mention, he's reading a book on android fragments Jan 26 07:36:10 a fing book on fragments! Jan 26 07:36:36 easy stuff, just can't figure out how to make something out of a pile of fragments though. still. Jan 26 07:36:38 * g00s sucks Jan 26 07:38:48 oh wtf, AS created a whole directory structure in the wrong place Jan 26 07:39:03 all i did was 'create android activity' Jan 26 07:39:16 Is there bourbon in the peanut butter?? Jan 26 07:40:00 no, bacon would be good Jan 26 07:40:34 mmmm .... bacon ............ Jan 26 07:43:17 the problem with gradle, google, AS … gradle is so flexible, its integration into intellij has to be difficult to test Jan 26 07:44:10 my project was pretty basic , but simply making an activity resulted in a whole new src/ tree in the wrong spot Jan 26 07:44:26 this is the template feature Jan 26 07:44:57 ah ... new project from scratch? Jan 26 07:45:12 no thats what i'm saying Jan 26 07:45:20 i had an existing project ... Jan 26 07:45:29 and then said "New -> Android Activity" Jan 26 07:45:44 from there, selected "Settings Activity" Jan 26 07:45:50 and all fuck broke loose Jan 26 07:46:11 new directories were made, new manifest Jan 26 07:46:27 hundreds of compiler errors, bad package names starting with ............. Jan 26 07:47:04 capella kjeldahl is right, its best to use emacs, vim, or ST Jan 26 07:47:17 i'm just trying to get the courage up to use emacs + java Jan 26 07:48:30 I use intelliJ for development of my small personal apps, for large stuff like mozilla projects I use the ST Jan 26 07:48:59 though we can load into AS Jan 26 07:51:00 If I have a string that contains html tags in it and I want to reflect those in a view. Is the best way to do that to insert it into a webview? Jan 26 07:51:36 for simple html, use Html.fromHtml Jan 26 07:51:43 webview is pretty heavy ... Jan 26 07:51:57 yeah, bold, italic work Jan 26 07:52:33 What would be the limitations of .fromHtml? Jan 26 07:52:59 nvm, dumb question.. ill check the docs Jan 26 07:53:42 * pfn shrugs, 100% happy with intellij Jan 26 07:54:02 I rarely use vim for Android now Jan 26 07:54:20 only for browsing aosp source Jan 26 07:54:54 i like ST for browsing source, with its little file explorer panel Jan 26 07:55:03 although, vim ctrl-p works nice too Jan 26 07:55:27 no idea what that is, I just :e dir Jan 26 07:55:38 netrw has tree mode with preview recently Jan 26 07:55:39 "file explorer" ? The sliding view on the right? Jan 26 07:55:50 wutever that is :) Jan 26 07:56:01 I don't use it or something Jan 26 07:56:13 I use very few vim features Jan 26 07:56:24 That things nice, but it always makes my code look like theres 5 times more of it than there is Jan 26 07:56:47 netrw is pretty buggy; ol dr chip :) Jan 26 07:56:50 * pfn uses primarily old school vi features only Jan 26 07:57:28 i think :e is netrw Jan 26 07:57:31 yeah Jan 26 07:57:46 ideavim is one of the reasons I'm 100% happy with intellij Jan 26 07:57:57 anyone know why I'm getting this? java.lang.ClassCastException: android.widget.ImageView cast to android.widget.button Jan 26 07:58:10 that and the sbt and scala plug-ins Jan 26 07:58:12 Worked before now its giving me this. Jan 26 07:58:23 Let me know if you need to see the code. Jan 26 07:58:23 because you're casting wrong Jan 26 07:59:28 here is my casting code : Jan 26 08:00:07 / Instantiate the preview button to button. Button button = ((Button rootView.findViewById(R.id.Preview)); Jan 26 08:00:44 next // Instantiate the imageview1 to image ImageView image = ((ImageView) rootView.findViewById(R.id.imageView1)); Jan 26 08:00:55 (Button)rootview.findViewById(...) Jan 26 08:01:28 you have ( … ) around everything Jan 26 08:02:11 ok I took those extra parens out it still isn't working Jan 26 08:02:29 next mistake? Jan 26 08:02:46 Preview isn't a button... Jan 26 08:02:54 I named it that way Jan 26 08:02:56 What's the error? Jan 26 08:02:57 ClassCastException? So that should be pretty obvious. Jan 26 08:03:08 yes, it is obvious Jan 26 08:03:14 Preview isn't a button Jan 26 08:03:29 The thing you've found is not a button. Double-check your layout. Jan 26 08:03:50 sometimes R gets fucked up too, maybe clean Jan 26 08:04:03 happened a lot with eclipse / adt Jan 26 08:04:04 End o' story. Jan 26 08:04:35 That can happen too. Jan 26 08:04:39 I'm black Jan 26 08:04:58 you're purple to me Jan 26 08:05:17 And I just remembered I need to play with Kotlin some time. Jan 26 08:05:17 pfn is purple to me too, Nilium is red. Jan 26 08:05:35 I don't know my own color Jan 26 08:05:43 I should be purple. Jan 26 08:05:43 Freesia was purple, therefore I should be purple. Jan 26 08:05:57 you're red to me Jan 26 08:06:05 where's an environment that R doesn't fuck up like this g00s Jan 26 08:06:15 This is like that eye color on an island test except with random colors for everyone. Jan 26 08:06:22 skinkitten_ well, first make sure its not eclipse :) Jan 26 08:06:26 got all red when I cleaned it Jan 26 08:06:40 what do you use? Jan 26 08:06:49 Doesn't fuck up when I use sbt and IntelliJ. Jan 26 08:07:00 agree Jan 26 08:07:41 sbt is scala Jan 26 08:08:02 It can also do Java. Jan 26 08:08:10 do you guys remember that bug? in eclipse, if you added something with @+id sometimes the R file indexes were OBO or something, and you would findView on the wrong ID and shit explodes at runtime Jan 26 08:08:28 And I'd guess probably anything else, if you decided to write something for it. Jan 26 08:09:03 Dunno. I never used Eclipse. Jan 26 08:09:03 and cleaning the project would fix it O.o Jan 26 08:09:11 I started Android dev with TextMate and I ended up with IntelliJ/Sublime. Jan 26 08:09:33 I use sbt on a bunch of Java Android projects Jan 26 08:09:37 I've avoided Eclipse since my Windows days of using it for C++ stuff. Jan 26 08:09:39 works flawlessly Jan 26 08:10:07 * capella used eclipse for 4 hours, realized it was pos dumped it for intelliJ Jan 26 08:10:31 "clean" button ... XD Jan 26 08:10:42 And then there are the scary people who use netbeans Jan 26 08:11:10 I don't have buttons. I just have really weird key bindings. Jan 26 08:11:42 I've made logical keybindings Jan 26 08:11:44 ⌘b⌘⇧c for clean, in my case. Jan 26 08:11:53 Which actually does nothing in IntelliJ other than launch an AppleScript that writes "clean" to the terminal window I keep sbt in Jan 26 08:11:59 ^r for run Jan 26 08:12:16 Nilium, you can run it in intellij now... Jan 26 08:12:31 oh yeah, i forgot about Nilium excursion with applescript :| Jan 26 08:12:33 dude updated the plug-in a few months back Jan 26 08:12:50 I _can_ but I got so used to the applescript thing 'cause I could keep it on another screen without accidentally closing the sbt tool window and not being able to see it Jan 26 08:13:23 Plus this way IntelliJ can't take sbt with it on the random occasion I break it Jan 26 08:14:03 Really wish tool windows in IntelliJ didn't close when I press their shortcut key to leave them and return to the editor Jan 26 08:14:52 I wish there was a go to editor keystroke Jan 26 08:14:59 I think Eclipse has almost the correct behavior there, but then Eclipse also has severely broken tool windows Jan 26 08:15:10 There isn't? Jan 26 08:15:38 there isnt Jan 26 08:16:00 otherwise you wouldn't use the toolwindow keystroke to return to editor Jan 26 08:16:25 do you guys use PreferenceActivity or PreferenceFragment ? Jan 26 08:16:38 Yeah, Eclipse still does one thing wrong: if I detach a panel into a separate window then drag the main window, it also moves the panel window. Jan 26 08:16:43 i dont think i have seen any apps that show a pref fragment alongside anything else Jan 26 08:16:51 depends on minsdk Jan 26 08:17:08 afaik preferencefragment is not present in the support libarary? Jan 26 08:17:15 is not Jan 26 08:17:19 no - im minsdk=16 Jan 26 08:17:20 Well, Ascension 2 uses PreferenceFragment since the minSdk is 14 and I use a custom layout for the activity showing preferences Jan 26 08:17:32 ok new question, with live wallpapers is there a way to use an Activity for the settings instead of PreferencesActivity, and have the live wallpaper "preview" restart after the settings activity ends? Jan 26 08:17:45 And so far as I know, PreferenceActivity doesn't really like it when you use custom layouts (in my case, displaying PreferenceFragments in a ViewPager). Jan 26 08:17:53 erdos: Yes, that would be what I do. Jan 26 08:17:54 i'm just calling finish() in my settings activity but the preview is still using the old values Jan 26 08:18:15 you have to tell the preview to update... Jan 26 08:18:17 Does your service listen for changes to the preferences? Jan 26 08:18:38 hmm, no it doesn't Jan 26 08:18:50 Easiest way to handle that is to just make the service a listener for changes to your shared preferences. Jan 26 08:18:51 Just make sure to shut that off if it's not active. Jan 26 08:19:12 excellent thank you :) Jan 26 08:19:56 Now if only my live wallpaper actually sold. Jan 26 08:20:10 hehe what's your live wallpaper? Jan 26 08:20:40 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.spifftastic.ascension2 ⇐ That. Jan 26 08:21:03 the price is a bit steep imo Jan 26 08:21:03 It basically fell off the top paid list and never recovered. Jan 26 08:21:28 so I tried to clean it and now the R file isn't recognized Jan 26 08:21:31 oh but you were on the top paid list! that's pretty good, did you get some sales back then? Jan 26 08:21:34 Could lower it, but that wouldn't change anything now. Jan 26 08:21:43 Nilium how easy / hard is ascension on battery life ? Jan 26 08:21:43 do you promote? Jan 26 08:21:54 it looks pretty cool Jan 26 08:22:06 g00s: Fairly light. Jan 26 08:22:06 I was on the top paid list after release, tried promoting, didn't really do much, etc. Jan 26 08:22:11 any ideas? Jan 26 08:22:17 And then some jerk came along, gave it a two-star review 'cause it didn't work on some experimental Chinese ROM, and it plummeted Jan 26 08:22:26 :( Jan 26 08:22:38 So I've mostly decided the project's dead. Jan 26 08:23:17 Tried doing updates for a while to get it back up, but that did nothing, so it's not worth the time I could be spending on other things. Jan 26 08:23:43 Nilium, I suggestion if I may, add a video of it on the device. I see how I could tweak it but I didn't see how it would look Jan 26 08:23:51 * one Jan 26 08:24:21 Have any suggestions for how to do that? Jan 26 08:24:23 on the real screen, with icons Jan 26 08:25:15 once I clicked on you link my first thought was - would it look messy underneath icons? Jan 26 08:25:19 *your Jan 26 08:25:23 Nilium: Well, perhaps your primary market was some experimental Chinese Rom devices... Jan 26 08:25:27 'Cause I've thought of it, but the problem is mostly that I have no good way to actually do a recording of a physical device. Jan 26 08:25:36 If I did anything, it would be an extremely shaky camera. Jan 26 08:25:39 this will be my first app on the store, so i'll be happy with just a few sales Jan 26 08:25:51 Actually the video looks nice. Is it sped up? It looks a little busy for a background. Jan 26 08:26:11 If it says "#x" in the corner, it's sped up. Jan 26 08:26:51 the app looks very neat though. I reckon all you need is to promote it Jan 26 08:27:19 genymotion can do video, doesn't the regular emu also ? Jan 26 08:27:26 you could also make a free version with disabled options Jan 26 08:27:33 oh there is a video :) Jan 26 08:28:08 I'm not doing a free version, so let's not get into that discussion Jan 26 08:28:36 fair enough Jan 26 08:28:55 Version 1 had a free edition, and if it had any effect on sales for the two years or so it was available, it wasn't positive Jan 26 08:29:11 btw, your dev webpage is down Jan 26 08:29:25 Dev webpage? Jan 26 08:29:38 Nilium: looks really configurable. Have you measured the power draw of this? Jan 26 08:29:39 developer's website Jan 26 08:29:52 CaptainFarrell: Works for me. Jan 26 08:30:17 hraf: I ran it through a bunch of profiling stuff back when I was still working on it, but I can't remember any specifics. Jan 26 08:30:21 i get redirected to http://www.spifftastic.net/ and nothing happens Jan 26 08:30:37 i use google chrome Jan 26 08:30:50 I would suggest that is something on your end. Jan 26 08:31:04 That doesn't really say anything about network issues Jan 26 08:31:43 Nilium if its really tweakable maybe have a website where people could share their setups Jan 26 08:31:50 if you say so, the rest of the internet works perfectly Jan 26 08:32:28 g00s: Cost doesn't really justify it Jan 26 08:33:26 rewrite it in kotlin :D Jan 26 08:33:36 CaptainFarrell: I do say so. → http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31892/Screenshots/0g1z.png Jan 26 08:33:57 you know, you're acting a bit anal for a person who asked for feedback Jan 26 08:34:10 Also forgot to enable javascript in Firefox. Jan 26 08:34:10 So I'm surprised it looks fine despite that. Jan 26 08:34:16 I didn't ask for feedback -_- Jan 26 08:34:43 And I'm appreciate of the feedback, I'm just saying, my site ain't down. Jan 26 08:35:12 Nilium: Is the Ascension name a throwback to old school demo fests or just a random name? Jan 26 08:35:17 I've got it open in three browsers and other folks are saying it's up, so my advice with a lot of things where sites are inaccessible is to assume it's your problem first Jan 26 08:35:31 hraf: Just a name I chose a while back. Jan 26 08:35:51 I never got into the demo scene Jan 26 08:41:23 well i'll be dammed http://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2013/08/working-with-kotlin-in-android-studio/ Jan 26 08:41:55 Yeah, it's pretty simple to set up. Jan 26 08:42:29 It's also got some nice language features. It's like Scala at times, but manages to be a little less verbose Jan 26 08:42:41 thats … nice :) Jan 26 08:43:04 Though in either case - scala or kotlin - you end up having way nicer code than if you used java. Jan 26 09:11:07 Nilium: is it possible to just restart the wallpaper service when the preferences change? i'm calling stopSelf() but it's not doing anything Jan 26 09:11:30 my settings activity overwrites an image that's loaded by the wallpaper service... very frustrating! Jan 26 09:11:33 No. Jan 26 09:11:37 heh rats Jan 26 09:12:03 So notify the service that it needs to reload the image? Jan 26 09:12:54 yeah... i guess that's what i'll do, just thought it would be easier to reload it Jan 26 09:12:56 thanks :) Jan 26 09:13:41 Could probably just use LocalBroadcastManager for that. Jan 26 09:14:16 That way you can broadcast an intent, the service receives it, handles it if it needs to, etc. Jan 26 09:15:23 sorry, i'd need to do more reading of the docs before i understand how that would work, i think i'll just make the app reload the image since i'd like to get this done tonight Jan 26 09:15:33 i'll make a note to look into that in my tickets though :) Jan 26 09:15:53 Are you on Mac OS? Jan 26 09:16:51 yeah Jan 26 09:17:23 how come? Jan 26 09:17:32 Then you should probably buy Dash so you can browse Android docs more easily. Jan 26 09:17:57 never heard of it Jan 26 09:18:07 Because you're going to be referring to them a lot. Jan 26 09:18:18 oh wow, this looks good! Jan 26 09:18:35 http://kapeli.com/dash ⇐ That would be Dash. Jan 26 09:19:10 I basically just recommend it to everyone because it's one of the most useful tools I keep open 24/7. Jan 26 09:19:49 do you use alfred? i wonder if there's an integration between the two Jan 26 09:19:55 No. Jan 26 09:20:17 have you heard of it? Jan 26 09:20:17 I could never get into alfred/launchbar/etc. Jan 26 09:20:20 Yes. Jan 26 09:21:28 I do use ShortCat, but that's a different kind of bar thingy Jan 26 09:21:56 ok i'm getting this, thanks for the tip! Jan 26 09:23:55 downloading android studio Jan 26 09:24:10 did a trick that fixed that R bug Jan 26 09:24:16 re-add the R import Jan 26 09:26:12 Step 1) convince people to use the same tools I do, step 2) convince them to use the same programming languages I do, step 3) rule the world Jan 26 09:27:22 I thought you were using jetbrains Jan 26 09:27:48 I use vim, Sublime Text, and IntelliJ, depending on what I feel like. Jan 26 09:36:49 ah Jan 26 09:40:02 i need to find a good mac epub reader Jan 26 09:41:16 i find it annoying intellij can't seem to use font weights; i prefer light or extra light in dark themes because the AA seems to make the fonts thicker Jan 26 09:41:30 well, at least for the code editor Jan 26 09:42:19 What always brings vim back is working with 10 different codebases each with their own style-guides and emacs' dtrt mode isn't quite up to snuff in adapting to it all. Jan 26 09:49:07 What always brings vim back for me is I do a lot of stuff in a shell and it's habit to just type 'vim filename' to edit something Jan 26 09:50:13 Although I do find it a little weird that I always use :wq instead of ZZ. Jan 26 09:50:40 Like, ZZ is there, it's clearly less work, but habit Jan 26 09:54:11 Hello. I'm developing a social client app, which makes use of oauth2 with custom provider. This is my first android app. On launch I'm showing the main activity, displaying what I have in cache, then connect to the server and check if my token is still valid. If yes, I connect and sync the data of the listview, if not, I skip to the authenticating activity with the form in webview. Am I doing the right thing? I'm new to the android dev and the concep Jan 26 09:56:03 Does it work? Jan 26 09:56:21 oh man, this app is doing weird things.. when i reload the image in the wallpaper service, it turns up somehow in my settings activity :P Jan 26 09:56:29 Actually, it is a concept in my head. I wanted to check my thughts before implementing. Jan 26 09:56:48 and the preview still has the old image... Jan 26 09:56:58 Maybe there is just a better pattern for this. Jan 26 09:57:08 I have no opinion then Jan 26 09:57:24 hey folks! I have problem with ndk. Here are my errors and config files: http://pastebin.com/1aXaurPP Where is my mistake ? Jan 26 09:57:43 Maybe. Might be a good idea to consider just designing it without worrying about whether the design is a pattern. Jan 26 09:58:04 Okay, will give it a try. Thanks a lot. Jan 26 10:05:05 JohnPoison: Without having used the NDK, I'd say it _looks_ like you're either not linking to a system library or somehow not linking to a C++ standard library that includes atomics Jan 26 10:06:03 Either way, you're obviously not linking to something Jan 26 10:10:16 Nilium, thread is in STL and I supposed it should be linked Jan 26 10:11:31 Thread? Jan 26 10:18:45 Nilium, header Jan 26 10:19:23 Well, the issue is with atomics. Jan 26 10:19:26 looks like I forgot to add -stdlib=libc++ Jan 26 10:23:13 Does any one know quality threshold to push the application over the air from my web application?. The quality threshold is not published in the docs Jan 26 10:24:09 o.o Jan 26 10:25:30 As I guess it depends on the rating, reviews, number of install of the application and app must be free. Let me know if any other criteria for this Jan 26 10:43:12 where do you guys prototype your gui? eclipse or mock up services? Jan 26 10:43:33 On a device. Jan 26 10:44:42 * Nilium watches TGMCians from both IRC and room 15. Jan 26 10:49:29 Does relativeview not like to play nice with scrollview? Jan 26 10:49:38 I was not aware of this. Jan 26 10:51:31 Also I may have been misled, where's the noob help channel? Jan 26 10:51:51 Because this place is about as lively as my alcoholic great grandmother. Jan 26 10:52:08 Nothing likes to play nice with scrollviews. Jan 26 10:52:22 That makes me sad. Jan 26 10:52:31 Also, it's 2:50am in the US. Not going to be that lively. Jan 26 10:52:47 Oh, shit, I forgot not many aussies are on here. Jan 26 10:53:09 Anyway, is your scrollview's height set to match_parent? Jan 26 10:53:09 <_rm> and it's sunday :) Jan 26 10:53:16 Yeah mate. Jan 26 10:53:31 I think it's a size issue, I keep getting java exceptions in the eclipse renderer. Jan 26 10:53:42 And is your relative layout's height set to something other than match_parent Jan 26 10:53:46 Size must be greater than zero. Thing is, I have the scrollview wrapping, so. Jan 26 10:53:51 Well, ignore the eclipse thing. Jan 26 10:54:00 Oop. Jan 26 10:54:09 Test it on a device. Jan 26 10:54:10 Oh, ignore the java exception in eclipse Jan 26 10:54:26 I will, does it sometimes fuck up in eclipse but work elsewhere? Jan 26 10:54:45 This would have been good to know a while ago. Jan 26 10:54:52 aren't you supposed to be wasted, Immaterial ? Jan 26 10:54:53 In fact, avoid visual UI editor things for Android altogether if you can help it. They're buggy and not particularly friendly at best and misleading at worst. Jan 26 10:55:14 I know farrel, staya day and all. Jan 26 10:55:18 Not everyone celebrates aussie day. Jan 26 10:55:51 I could spout a bunch of shit about celebrating a police state but really, I have to finish this program. Jan 26 10:55:53 Urgently. Jan 26 10:55:56 Or, as my australian friend calls it, aboriginal genocide day. Jan 26 10:55:59 So I have no time to get drunk. Jan 26 10:56:22 So, yeah, opinions. Jan 26 10:56:39 Nilium; Don't forget about all the kids the entirety of the white race stole. Jan 26 10:57:07 :P Jan 26 10:57:30 I'm not australian, so my knowledge of its history/culture is extremely limited Jan 26 10:57:35 Ah. Jan 26 10:57:54 Stolen generation, our ancestors stole a bunch of aboriginal kids and tried to breed the black out of them. Jan 26 10:57:58 I just hear a lot about wogs lately. Jan 26 10:58:06 i dunno, guys, i think you're too serious. nothing bad about having holidays as long as you don't use the opportunity to cause troubles Jan 26 10:58:33 Well, that's disturbing, but sounds about par for the course for racist past generations Jan 26 10:58:35 Which apparently makes it okay to blame white people generations later. Jan 26 10:58:49 Which is strange. Jan 26 10:58:50 imo, it's not that fair as half the population moved there later and should not have that white guilt at all Jan 26 10:59:15 history is history Jan 26 10:59:24 I'm iffy with white guilt, I don't think anyone should feel bad about something they had no part of. Jan 26 10:59:37 Well, it's history once it's not ongoing, and my understanding is that it's still not exactly cleared up Jan 26 10:59:44 Moving on though, nilium, I've just been editing the XML from text, checking the UI to see how it turned out. Jan 26 10:59:54 plus, not all whites are anglo-saxon Jan 26 11:00:07 Yeah, best you can do there is build it quickly and test it on a device Jan 26 11:00:16 Or in the emulator. Emulator's mostly sufficient for layout testing. Jan 26 11:00:32 It takes too long to load and it's laggy as hell on my machine. Jan 26 11:00:44 getting back to my previous question. i've tried using fluidui.com several times Jan 26 11:00:57 I've just been going with the device for testing. I remember attempting an export but t did crash. Jan 26 11:01:09 That's the emulator on all machines. Jan 26 11:01:10 Genymotion apparently helps, but I've actually never used it Jan 26 11:01:11 and found their widget library very limiting Jan 26 11:01:34 Ah. Jan 26 11:01:42 I've found that I don't really care all that much since building and installing on a device is fairly fast. Jan 26 11:01:45 Well, nil, thanks for the help and I'll give it a go. Jan 26 11:02:49 Advice: sledgehammer. Jan 26 11:02:55 It solves problems like nothing else. Jan 26 11:03:11 Tried fire. Jan 26 11:06:08 Maybe throw a potted plant out a window next. Jan 26 11:26:39 Greetings, folks! Can anyone please tell me what am I doing wrong? I have layouts with white background color, which is okay in Eclipse XML layout editor and on couple of HTCs, but if I run this via simulator or some samsungs (ace/ace 2/note 2), those layouts does take their parent's color (something like gray) Jan 26 11:52:22 Ridiculous... background of layout is #FFFFFF, i've made a button which outputs background color to log, it says #000000, while background is #F2F2F2 (detected by photoshop). After this log output, I've made setBackgroundColor with Color.WHITE as parameter, and... background really became white and outputs #FFFFFF to log. What the hell is with this? Jan 26 11:54:53 I can't even google anything Jan 26 11:55:22 hey ppl i am trying to build my eclipse project in visual studio, everything works except: Jan 26 11:55:53 when i create view using setContentView all views working, only Jan 26 11:56:08 below that findViewById aint work Jan 26 11:56:23 causes a nullpointer reference Jan 26 11:56:59 so why would setContentView(R.layout.activity_main) work and findViewById not? Jan 26 11:57:24 im 100% sure that the id im using is there i can actualy see it Jan 26 11:57:45