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Mar 08 03:10:19 <canvs2321-> adrianadrian: set onitemclicklistener for your listview?
Mar 08 03:17:04 <adrianadrian> cool will try it out, thanks dude
Mar 08 03:24:12 <elb0w> This is for android app dev right?
Mar 08 03:24:36 <adrianadrian> yar
Mar 08 03:26:58 <jason-s3studios> anyone familiar with andengine shaders?
Mar 08 03:31:37 <canvs2321-> adrianadrian: you set listener and just match position with your adapter data backing
Mar 08 03:35:32 <adrianadrian> okay cool i'll fiddle around with that
Mar 08 03:35:49 <adrianadrian> what do you mean by "match position"?
Mar 08 03:36:44 <adrianadrian> do you mean make calls to the adapter in the onItemClickListener ?
Mar 08 03:38:45 <adrianadrian> figured it out, cheers dude
Mar 08 03:38:58 <adrianadrian> i'm just getting confused by the way the adapter works
Mar 08 03:39:20 <jeremyabel> hello androidfriends. Does anybody here happen to have a Samsung S3 or S4, and like 250mb to spare?
Mar 08 03:39:37 <adrianadrian> *how adapters work in general
Mar 08 03:41:27 <pfn> what's to be confused about
Mar 08 03:43:38 <pieces029> Hello Everyone, I am trying to open a folder of images to a gallery application.  I have tried http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7131693/open-image-form-built-in-gallery but my app crashes.  Any Ideas?
Mar 08 03:45:42 <adrianadrian> i think i understand their functionality, just getting confused in my code. have a custom arrayadapter as well as a list and even though everything is working i'm not really sure how the two are working together
Mar 08 03:47:45 <canvs2321-> adrianadrian: what do you mean? what i'm saying is, you have an adapter, with that adapter you have a data set associated with it, upon clicking of an item, you can reference that data set
Mar 08 03:48:08 <adrianadrian> yeah I've got that figured out, that's all happening now.
Mar 08 03:48:49 <canvs2321-> you said you were confused
Mar 08 03:48:58 <adrianadrian> i still am, just not about that part
Mar 08 03:49:00 <adrianadrian> haha
Mar 08 03:49:19 <adrianadrian> all good i'll just fiddle around until it makes sense.
Mar 08 03:49:28 <canvs2321-> well whats the ?
Mar 08 03:49:59 <adrianadrian> *thinking*
Mar 08 03:50:05 <adrianadrian> *trying to think
Mar 08 03:50:14 <g00s> adrianadrian look in ApiDemos, they almost always use baseAdapter. if you implement that, it will all click
Mar 08 03:50:24 <adrianadrian> cool
Mar 08 03:50:54 <g00s> i think the reason why somebody wrote ArrayAdapter is, when ever you change the 'model' you have to call notifyDatasetChanged(). so all the operations to the array its babysitting do that
Mar 08 03:51:05 <g00s> which could be confusing for newbies i guess
Mar 08 03:51:10 <g00s> or at least easy to forget
Mar 08 03:52:23 <adrianadrian> i'm just spinning myself out because i've got multiple adapters doing different things
Mar 08 03:52:28 <adrianadrian> on the same listview
Mar 08 03:52:45 <adrianadrian> (i'm using ListViewAnimations library for drag and drop/swipe to delete/undo)
Mar 08 03:52:56 <canvs2321-> adrian: how/why would you have multiple adapters?
Mar 08 03:53:01 <adrianadrian> ^^
Mar 08 03:53:19 <g00s> if you used something like cwac mergeAdaoter ...
Mar 08 03:53:33 <g00s> ir jeff sharkey's technique
Mar 08 03:54:05 <canvs2321-> one listview would be one adapter, you can manipulate the adapter any way you want....why use multiple?
Mar 08 03:54:07 <g00s> but thats more advanced ;) i get confused looking at jeff's code :|
Mar 08 03:54:20 <g00s> canvs2321- for sections
Mar 08 03:54:25 <adrianadrian> i don't know, just following the instructions of the api
Mar 08 03:54:45 <canvs2321-> g00s: for sections would still imply one adapter
Mar 08 03:54:48 <g00s> for example, if i have one section of paired bluetooth devices, i would pour those into the first adapter
Mar 08 03:54:53 <adrianadrian> wait i'm looking intently at my code hoping it will make sense. brb.
Mar 08 03:55:07 <g00s> no, one adapter for the LV which encapsulates multiple shild adapters
Mar 08 03:55:49 <canvs2321-> sounds like you'd want more options for displaying, if one listview you'd set one adapter, and adjust accordingly
Mar 08 03:56:02 <canvs2321-> one adapter, and set your data as needed
Mar 08 03:56:25 <g00s> http://jsharkey.org/blog/2008/08/18/separating-lists-with-headers-in-android-09/
Mar 08 03:56:47 <canvs2321-> 2008?
Mar 08 03:57:31 <canvs2321-> everything you can concieve is possible with one adapter....
Mar 08 03:58:33 <adrianadrian> it's probably just my misunderstanding of the code
Mar 08 03:58:46 <adrianadrian> i.e. of what's actually happening
Mar 08 04:00:01 <adrianadrian> it might just be one adapter
Mar 08 04:00:36 <adrianadrian> it just has things like the main adapter being assigned to animationadapters and stuff from the listviewanimations library
Mar 08 04:00:58 <adrianadrian> so maybe the library is just working on the one adapter
Mar 08 04:01:24 <adrianadrian> and i'm just confused because i see "myadapter" and "animationadapter" = 2 adapters
Mar 08 04:01:54 <adrianadrian> at least it's all working, despite this :P
Mar 08 04:02:57 <g00s> canvs2321- 2008 yeah, the technique hasn't changed. but there are multiple ways to do it. cyrilmotier had a good blog on it too
Mar 08 04:03:05 <g00s> listview is pretty primitive
Mar 08 04:03:15 <g00s> i remember in 2009 when romain joked they would rewrite it
Mar 08 04:03:19 <g00s> never happened
Mar 08 04:27:47 <Slash_Tag> Anyone know of a way to update a fragments view after onCreateView has been called?
Mar 08 04:38:55 <f2prateek> onViewCreated
Mar 08 04:44:02 <g00s> f2prateek do you know any chance if fragment onRetainInstance only works for dynamically added fragments, not <fragment/> in layout ?
Mar 08 04:44:30 <f2prateek> no I don't
Mar 08 04:45:08 <g00s> ok, thx
Mar 08 04:51:22 <LoneSoldier728> hey picasso vs UL image loader - which is the way to go? pros cons thoughts?
Mar 08 04:52:20 <JakeWharton> LoneSoldier728: Picasso
Mar 08 04:52:24 <JakeWharton> Obvi
Mar 08 04:53:16 <LoneSoldier728> any reasons behind it over uil?
Mar 08 04:53:42 <LoneSoldier728> if you are one of the contributors of it, I can see why you say that lol
Mar 08 04:53:50 <JakeWharton> LoneSoldier728: I wrote it
Mar 08 04:53:54 <JakeWharton> Semi biased
Mar 08 04:54:09 <JakeWharton> But I wrote it because UIL sucks
Mar 08 04:54:33 <LoneSoldier728> hm kk, yeah someone else told me picasso too on my SO question
Mar 08 04:54:57 <LoneSoldier728> now is retrofit worth using too for pulling data as well... or just write my own async methods
Mar 08 05:01:02 <Slash_Tag> If anyone can help: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22265256/refreshing-a-fragment-view-from-mainactivity
Mar 08 05:02:01 <LoneSoldier728> slash_tag let me know if you find an answer I have been trying to figure that out too
Mar 08 05:03:37 <Slash_Tag> LoneSoldier728: Yea, I really need an answer to this because my app is kinda done without it
Mar 08 05:04:16 <LoneSoldier728> well reading your question I see you can update your view based on data passed back to it
Mar 08 05:05:24 <antitau> I've come across a strange error trying to open a Dialog...."Resources NotFoundException: Resource ID 0x0" on this code...http://pastebin.com/MjdPfUFL - I confirmed that everything is in the layout and the p & c variables have the correct IDs
Mar 08 05:05:30 <JakeWharton> LoneSoldier728: retrofit!
Mar 08 05:05:52 <LoneSoldier728> ha kk
Mar 08 05:06:40 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: hey
Mar 08 05:06:53 <Slash_Tag> Napalm: Hey man. Whats going on
Mar 08 05:09:11 <antitau> oh, stupid me - in case anyone is looking at my problem, its sorted.
Mar 08 05:09:29 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: cant you just use simple interfaces?
Mar 08 05:10:20 <Slash_Tag> Napalm: What do you mean?
Mar 08 05:10:39 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: Why not just have Fragment B on receipt of the data check its isAdded() flag and then change the UI/data it displays?
Mar 08 05:11:28 <Napalm> whats the problem here, the fact that Fragment B has already been created with old data or the fact Fragment C will be created and will not have the data set on it?
Mar 08 05:11:39 <Napalm> or both
Mar 08 05:11:43 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: ^
Mar 08 05:11:59 <Slash_Tag> Alright Ill try to break it down the best I can
Mar 08 05:12:31 <Slash_Tag> Fragment A has an EditText and a Button. When the button is clicked, it gets the string from the EditText, sends that back to MainActivity
Mar 08 05:12:52 <Napalm> using this method > http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/communicating.html
Mar 08 05:12:54 <Napalm> ?
Mar 08 05:13:19 <Slash_Tag> Yea Im using that
Mar 08 05:13:34 <Slash_Tag> So I get the data back in MainActivity and everything is fine there
Mar 08 05:13:54 <Slash_Tag> But then I want to send that data out to Fragments B and C
Mar 08 05:14:23 <Napalm> ok
Mar 08 05:14:24 <Slash_Tag> But Fragment B's onCreateView has already been called, so I cant update the view when I send over the data
Mar 08 05:14:35 <Napalm> yes you can
Mar 08 05:15:31 <Napalm> you can do it a few ways right
Mar 08 05:15:45 <Napalm> 1. just set the data to the fragment and have it update its views
Mar 08 05:16:32 <Napalm> 2. have all the fragments like B and C register themselves to recieve data from the MainActivity and when MainActivity gets it's data set you tell all the registered receivers of the new data
Mar 08 05:16:40 <Napalm> 3. recreate the fragment
Mar 08 05:18:38 <Napalm> 4. use an event bus and tell all subsribers of the new data and MainActivity, Fragment B would get notified of new data. Fragment C would get its data when created by MainActivity
Mar 08 05:18:49 <Napalm> i think this list is pretty endless tbh
Mar 08 05:19:00 <Slash_Tag> Well what I currently have is the fragment getting the data in onCreateView
Mar 08 05:19:01 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: ^
Mar 08 05:19:59 <Slash_Tag> and it gets it by doing MainActivity activity = (MainActivity) getActivity();
Mar 08 05:19:59 <Slash_Tag>         String myDataFromActivity = activity.getMyData();
Mar 08 05:20:25 <Slash_Tag> But theres definately a much better way of doing this that I dont know of..
Mar 08 05:21:18 <Napalm> Slash_Tag: and I just explained a few
Mar 08 05:21:54 <Napalm> the key here is the fragments need to fetch the data from the actvitiy aswell as be updated by the activity
Mar 08 05:22:26 <Napalm> in which case you need to break your updateUI behaviour out of onCreateView and into its own function
Mar 08 05:23:03 <Napalm> updateUI(MyData) can then be called from onCreateView and also called in a setMyData() on the fragment
Mar 08 05:23:15 <Napalm> just make sure you check the isAdded flag in setMyData
Mar 08 05:23:28 <Napalm> with me?
Mar 08 05:23:36 <Slash_Tag> I get what you are saying, yes
Mar 08 05:23:45 <Slash_Tag> I just don't know how I would about this
Mar 08 05:23:58 <Napalm> i just explained it
Mar 08 05:25:53 <Slash_Tag> So I need 2 new functions is what you are saying
Mar 08 05:26:45 <Napalm> yes, or however many you want to create
Mar 08 05:26:48 <Napalm> lol
Mar 08 05:27:16 <Slash_Tag> So I guess the first part would be getting the data
Mar 08 05:31:55 <Napalm> right, night all
Mar 08 05:35:03 <LoneSoldier728> JakeWharton just applied it to my grid wow so much smoother
Mar 08 05:35:23 <LoneSoldier728> big ups for Picasso
Mar 08 05:35:56 <JakeWharton> LoneSoldier728: woot!
Mar 08 05:36:17 <JakeWharton> LoneSoldier728: full disclosure: I wrote most of retrofit too
Mar 08 05:36:51 <LoneSoldier728> yeah i know I heard about retrofit a while back when I was writing my own async calls to my db but I think I am a little more open to libs now so ill take a shot
Mar 08 05:56:54 <LoneSoldier728> is it best to store user changes in sqlite and send server requests to update the servers db with it every hour or so with AlarmManager or what is the best way to go about it, without constantly updating the server since the user decides to change his settings or name 100 times
Mar 08 06:01:49 <g00s> thats an engaged user !
Mar 08 06:07:55 <Leeds> er, unless you're running your backend off a raspi or a *really* cheap VPS or something, it should be able to handle 100 updates in an hour...
Mar 08 06:11:56 <mygreymatter> Can I ask doubts here?
Mar 08 06:12:01 <mygreymatter> Can I ask doubts here?
Mar 08 06:12:53 <Leeds> I'm not sure
Mar 08 06:12:59 <g00s> i doubt it
Mar 08 06:13:43 <mygreymatter> What is this channel about?
Mar 08 06:17:10 <Leeds> I'm not sure
Mar 08 06:17:20 <LoneSoldier728> Leeds or g00s but 100 updates in an hour for thousands of users isnt that a lot of wasted requests
Mar 08 06:18:03 <mygreymatter> not sure. Ok.
Mar 08 06:18:12 <Leeds> mygreymatter: you're kidding, right?
Mar 08 06:18:44 <g00s> LoneSoldier728 depends , are you streaming data or transferring state. if you are transferring state, then eventual consistency might be ok
Mar 08 06:18:59 <mygreymatter> Leeds  Nope. I would pose a question. Some one can answer it if they know. Lets try.
Mar 08 06:19:17 <LoneSoldier728> g00s like user preferences for example
Mar 08 06:19:30 <Leeds> mygreymatter: you're new to IRC, then?
Mar 08 06:19:53 <mygreymatter> Leeds: Yes. Is there other channel for android programming? please guide me.
Mar 08 06:20:02 <Leeds> mygreymatter: read the bloody channel topic
Mar 08 06:20:54 <mygreymatter> isn't it about app development?
Mar 08 06:21:00 <mygreymatter> Leeds: isn't it about app development?
Mar 08 06:21:06 <LoneSoldier728> btw am I  typing something wrong, basically how do I say if(Cached) then get from cache else request from server?
Mar 08 06:21:12 <Leeds> what are the first three words of the channel topic?
Mar 08 06:21:21 <LoneSoldier728> I cannot find any answers really to the question
Mar 08 06:21:29 <mygreymatter> Leeds: Android application development
Mar 08 06:21:56 <Leeds> and that's me done for the day - quite early
Mar 08 06:22:11 <LoneSoldier728> lol
Mar 08 06:22:15 <LoneSoldier728> Leeds just ignore him
Mar 08 06:22:21 <mygreymatter> Leeds: From that, I infer I can ask doubts related to app development
Mar 08 06:24:20 <Leeds> mygreymatter: at some point you might ask a non-vague, non-meaningless question... I won't be here to answer it though, so good luck with that
Mar 08 06:24:54 <mygreymatter> I am able to download images (thumbnai l and then the original from the server). How to display thumbnail and replace it with the original? Both are bitmaps.
Mar 08 07:01:22 <JohnnyonFlame> Howdy! Does anybody know how one should use ANativeActivity_showSoftInput? It doesn't seem to work here.
Mar 08 07:09:32 <badseed> any op here?
Mar 08 07:11:16 <g00s> badseed if you are having problems, you may also try #freenode
Mar 08 07:11:43 <badseed> g00s dont send people in freenode for this channel’s issues please.
Mar 08 07:11:53 <badseed> are you the one who’s doing this?
Mar 08 07:12:04 <g00s> wut?
Mar 08 07:12:36 <badseed> do not send people in freenode, just because someone ask an op here, or for any other issue that has to do with “this” channel
Mar 08 07:21:59 <g00s> what the hell was that about O.o
Mar 08 07:23:11 <XXCoder1> no idea
Mar 08 07:25:15 <t3st3r> g00s> people on #freenode do not deal with channel-specific issues. So if someone asks for ops of *channel*, its usually wrong idea to send them to #freenode.
Mar 08 07:25:40 <XXCoder1> so far I see, nobody was
Mar 08 07:25:54 <XXCoder1> so yeah it was out of assend of nowhere
Mar 08 07:26:03 <g00s> t3st3r well, probably with that theory is that no ops are here, and people from #freenode have actually helped in the past
Mar 08 07:30:08 <immibis> g00s: hidden ops are common (people who can op themselves with chanserv or some bot)
Mar 08 07:30:21 <t3st3r> g00s> generally freenode staff would not deal with channel-specific administration as far as I know. So it only makes sense to send people here when its network-wide issue or something like this.
Mar 08 07:30:51 <g00s> t3st3r yes, but in the past they have helped with trolls and spamming
Mar 08 07:30:59 <g00s> immibis understood
Mar 08 07:31:12 <t3st3r> sure, if ops cant handle it, they can.
Mar 08 07:31:51 <t3st3r> but usually when it happens to be seriously destructive attitude affecting network in general.
Mar 08 07:45:54 <g00s> this is pretty interesting http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2014/3/comScore_Reports_January_2014_US_Smartphone_Subscriber_Market_Share
Mar 08 07:46:06 <g00s> in the top 15 apps, facebook is #1
Mar 08 07:46:53 * g00s wishes his app was in the top 15 list XD
Mar 08 08:03:56 <notbryant> I have a question: why did Android switch to using a FUSE filesystem?
Mar 08 08:06:04 <notbryant> I guess I'm not very knowledgable, but I can't really think of any advantages and causes some dumb bugs that have still yet to be fixed
Mar 08 08:53:39 * capella|away really needs a soft VKB / Input Method that's transparent ... then I can see what I'm typing and not have to constantly shift the darn thing around the screen
Mar 08 09:23:43 <wrenny> anyone good at reseting android device via Kies
Mar 08 09:58:36 <devuser> hi, i have a problem, i 'm developing on mino-pc android.. so when i attach an USB keyboard my activity is stopped
Mar 08 09:58:52 <devuser> how can i avoid this beaviour?
Mar 08 10:00:19 <kjeldahl> devuser: If you can, wild guess, check out activity configChanges in the manifest.
Mar 08 10:02:08 <devuser> ah ok... i rewrite configChanges method?
Mar 08 10:02:16 <Kake_Fisk> So apparently I have to call setContentView before findViewById, but this is a dynamic dialog. I can't use setContentView for a dialog?
Mar 08 10:04:30 <notbryant> Kake_Fisk: it seems like you should be able to
Mar 08 10:05:12 <Kake_Fisk> Here's my code: http://ideone.com/jkpaiu
Mar 08 10:07:09 <notbryant> Kake_Fisk: this is just a guess, but I think it is because you are using a dialog BUILDER, not a Dialog
Mar 08 10:07:24 <Kake_Fisk> Ou, I'll look into it
Mar 08 10:07:45 <notbryant> the dialog isn't built until you call "show()", so the view isn't attached to it
Mar 08 10:08:05 <SimonVT> Did you know that View has a findViewById method?
Mar 08 10:08:34 <SimonVT> Did you also know that a dialogs view isn't part of the activitys content
Mar 08 10:10:41 <notbryant> yeah, SimonVT is right. calling "activity.findViewById" is wrong. You would want to call it on "dialoglayout"
Mar 08 10:12:08 <devuser> kjeldahl,  thanks.. it works
Mar 08 10:12:09 <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, of course. Stupid mistake. When something looks right, it is hard to realize it might be wrong. Thanks
Mar 08 10:12:34 <Kake_Fisk> However, I didn't understand the second thing you tried to explain Simon.
Mar 08 10:13:33 <SimonVT> Calling findViewById looks in that activitys content view for the view
Mar 08 10:13:50 <SimonVT> Dialogs have their own window
Mar 08 10:14:51 <SimonVT> So at no point would you be able to find a view in a dialog by calling findViewById on the activity
Mar 08 10:15:09 <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, I see
Mar 08 10:15:44 <SimonVT> Also, you shouldn't create a layoutinflater from the activity for inflating views for use in a dialog
Mar 08 10:16:01 <SimonVT> That's why they added getContext to AlertDialog.Builder in API11
Mar 08 10:16:18 <SimonVT> And why the Dialog class has its own getLayoutInflater method
Mar 08 10:17:20 <SimonVT> On older platforms dialogs would always have a dark background, regardless of your activitys theme
Mar 08 10:17:20 <Kake_Fisk> Oh, I'll try to fix up in that
Mar 08 10:17:32 <kjeldahl> devuser: Excellent, pure speculation from my side but glad it worked.
Mar 08 10:17:34 <SimonVT> So if your activity has a light theme, layouts inflated with it with have dark text by default
Mar 08 10:17:42 <SimonVT> Add that to a dialog with a dark background..
Mar 08 10:17:59 <Kake_Fisk> Do you also have any idea why my spinner doesn't get it's values from the array
Mar 08 10:18:48 <SimonVT> Nope
Mar 08 10:19:45 <Kake_Fisk> Yeah, okay
Mar 08 10:45:00 <yoavst> If I used AlarmManager.set(..) for specific time, and then the user force stop my app, will it work?
Mar 08 10:55:08 <b0t> Hi..
Mar 08 10:55:13 <b0t> i need help pls...
Mar 08 10:56:22 <b0t> I have an error, do not know how to fix it
Mar 08 10:56:57 <b0t> Pay by help
Mar 08 11:00:02 <yoavst> b0t: You can say what is your error, it will help
Mar 08 11:02:37 <b0t> 03-08 08:02:05.775: E/InputDispatcher(674): Motion event has invalid pointer count 0; value must be between 1 and 16.
Mar 08 11:03:07 <b0t> I try to just click on a button
Mar 08 11:03:54 <b0t> attempt to modify an open source irc client
Mar 08 11:09:05 <b0t> Motion event has invalid pointer count 0; value must be between 1 and 16.
Mar 08 11:14:08 <b0t> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Mar 08 11:23:16 <b0t> .j yaaic
Mar 08 11:23:56 <Leeds> b0t: can you pastebin the full stack trace, at least
Mar 08 11:26:09 <b0t> when I try to run the button to connect to irc, only this error in the debug
Mar 08 11:26:14 <b0t> Motion event has invalid pointer count 0; value must be between 1 and 16.
Mar 08 11:26:17 <Leeds> b0t: can you pastebin the full stack trace, at least
Mar 08 11:26:39 <b0t> pastebin.com/KJDEW12
Mar 08 11:27:12 <b0t> Leeds want to see all my files?
Mar 08 11:27:29 <b0t> in a zip
Mar 08 11:28:26 <yoavst> If I used AlarmManager.set(..) for specific time, and then the user force stop my app, will it work? also, will it work on restart device?
Mar 08 11:28:27 <Leeds> "This paste has been removed!"
Mar 08 11:28:31 <Leeds> so that's a no-go then
Mar 08 11:29:04 <b0t> ok
Mar 08 11:29:06 <b0t> stop
Mar 08 11:29:43 <b0t> I'm using BlueStacks as emulator and eclipse to see the debbug
Mar 08 11:30:11 <b0t> the only error I have is:
Mar 08 11:30:15 <b0t> in the debug.
Mar 08 11:30:19 <Leeds> don't care, doesn't matter, stack trace or GTFO
Mar 08 11:30:22 <b0t> Motion event has invalid pointer count 0; value must be between 1 and 16.
Mar 08 11:30:56 <b0t> I can upload the file to "believe" that brings problems
Mar 08 11:33:08 <b0t> Leeds: yoavst this is
Mar 08 11:33:08 <b0t> http://pastebin.com/c9MPPgfU
Mar 08 11:34:41 <b0t> and this is her brother
Mar 08 11:34:42 <b0t> http://pastebin.com/nFYBzbMe
Mar 08 11:45:36 <b0t> Z:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mar 08 11:50:22 <yoavst> b0t: can we get the java code? not smali
Mar 08 11:50:38 <autrilla> Any other opinions on this? http://gyazo.com/37503d6454b4e1aa54d33dc0bddf4bc8.png
Mar 08 11:51:25 <b0t> not how to get it, I know some of this
Mar 08 11:51:29 <b0t> yoavst
Mar 08 11:51:55 <b0t> I think anyone who knows about this, solve the code in 5 minutes
Mar 08 11:52:18 <b0t> I can upload all the files in the decompiled apk now
Mar 08 11:52:25 <yoavst> autrilla: I think the settings should be smaller, like in play music
Mar 08 11:52:53 <autrilla> yoavst, I like that idea :)
Mar 08 11:53:07 <b0t> yoavst: I can pay you if you want
Mar 08 11:53:48 <yoavst> b0t: If you will send me the java code, I'll be able to see what wrong. I never learn smali
Mar 08 11:54:14 <yoavst> *I've never learned
Mar 08 11:54:41 <b0t> yoavst: tell me how I get the java code
Mar 08 11:55:13 <yoavst> b0t: You try to decompile an apk?
Mar 08 11:55:19 <b0t> yesss
Mar 08 11:55:33 <b0t> apktool d Apk.
Mar 08 11:56:37 <yoavst> b0t: http://www.decompileandroid.com/ that's return java files, but the resources will be number instead of R.something.something
Mar 08 11:57:03 <b0t> wowww
Mar 08 11:57:19 <Leeds> b0t: if you're playing with an open source app, why don't you have the source?
Mar 08 11:57:54 <b0t> Leeds: this is Yaaic
Mar 08 11:58:02 <Leeds> no, this is #android-dev
Mar 08 11:58:45 <yoavst> Leeds: https://github.com/pocmo/Yaaic/
Mar 08 11:58:49 <yoavst> source is here
Mar 08 11:58:53 <yoavst> sry, b0t
Mar 08 11:59:02 <Leeds> point, missed, me, done for real this time
Mar 08 12:00:14 <Leeds> ok, no, one more try...
Mar 08 12:00:23 <b0t> yoavst: that is the source code, but I implemented a LOGIN
Mar 08 12:00:49 <Leeds> b0t: if you're trying to modify an open source app, why aren't you starting with the source?  and why aren't you using actual development and debug tools which could give you actual information to let you solve actual problems? actually?
Mar 08 12:01:30 <b0t> Leeds: is simple, I am a newbie
Mar 08 12:02:10 <b0t> I just thought that modifying the apk, might work
Mar 08 12:03:01 <yoavst> b0t: modifying the apk might work if you want to replace resources
Mar 08 12:05:10 <b0t> This apk does not come with a login to enter the nickname can only configure, thousands of options, this is not for normal people. I wish that on the main screen in the home, appears to enter the nickname and pressing the connect button, connect directly to my channel.
Mar 08 12:05:25 <Leeds> then get the source and start hacking it
Mar 08 12:05:29 <Leeds> blah
Mar 08 12:06:09 <b0t> LoginActivity.smali someone did, it was logged as I want, but it's for an earlier version of Yaaic, inserting these files into this new version, I can not get it to work.
Mar 08 12:07:13 <b0t> I decompiled the new version of Yaaic, and I put in it the old version login files, but does not work
Mar 08 12:07:27 <yoavst> b0t: so edit the source in java
Mar 08 12:43:40 <Leeds> well he was weird
Mar 08 12:53:50 <omarino> Hi, did anyone use Google Analytics in his Android app?
Mar 08 12:56:44 <gordon_> we are
Mar 08 12:56:55 <gordon_> but i havent setup it
Mar 08 13:32:55 <Kake_Fisk> I'm getting an error on "Button buttonPublish = (Button) dialoglayout.findViewById(R.id.btnPublish);" Cannot cast from View to Button. This is my XML: "<Button android:id="@+id/btnPublish..."
Mar 08 13:36:29 <mikeche1en> anyone have a suggestion for how to make a single-station podcast player?
Mar 08 13:38:02 <kjeldahl> Kake_Fisk: You're sure that's where the error is? Maybe share a stacktrace or similar...
Mar 08 13:38:39 <Kake_Fisk> The error is compile-time. Do I get a stacktrace in that case?
Mar 08 13:40:21 <t4nk664> im using a custom notification app and im wondering what specific package gives the ' "app name" has been updated' notification in the status bar? is it google play itself or something else
Mar 08 13:40:38 <Kake_Fisk> kjeldahl: Oh, I had already defined a Button class
Mar 08 13:41:03 <kjeldahl> Yeah, don't do that.. ;-)
Mar 08 13:42:45 <Kake_Fisk> It's much easier in C++ with namespaces :p
Mar 08 13:44:13 <Mavrik> t4nk664, it's probably the google play store service
Mar 08 13:44:24 <Mavrik> com.google.vending or some such
Mar 08 13:44:57 <Mavrik> Kake_Fisk, are you using a wrong import for Button?
Mar 08 13:46:01 <t4nk664> thank you mavrik
Mar 08 14:06:36 <jellybee> Hey, I need to experiment with how accurate you can get with drawing using the touch interface of the device. I'm sure there's some code out there that allows that kind of interaction, a simple view that draws on it's surface according to the motions of the user makes on the screen. Do you know something like that?
Mar 08 14:11:53 <alexfu> has anyone uses Espresso?
Mar 08 14:13:27 <Mavrik> jellybee, something like that: https://github.com/thecodepath/android_guides/wiki/Basic-Painting-with-Views ? :)
Mar 08 14:18:24 <jellybee> Mavrik, looking, thanks.
Mar 08 14:30:25 <sal1191> i do most tasks in a shell session on my virtual server. I use android terminal emulator and the 'ssh' binary from Terminal IDE
Mar 08 14:31:04 <sal1191> i have shell scripts to change the brightness of my phone and also send a text message
Mar 08 14:31:16 <sal1191> over an SSH connection
Mar 08 14:31:55 <sal1191> but what I'm curious is if it is practical to interact with the phones gps from the command line
Mar 08 14:32:32 <sal1191> like if you tried to make a binary executable using a standalone toolchain from the ndk
Mar 08 14:33:02 <sal1191> which printed GPS coords to stdout
Mar 08 14:34:05 <sal1191> would this be possible given that the hardware is vendor specific? in this case i believe i would have to call dlopen on libmoto_gps.so, but is there generic documentation that exists on what to do next?
Mar 08 15:48:29 <autrilla> Where should I design my app? Photoshop, Illustrator?
Mar 08 15:48:42 <autrilla> I've already got it on paper
Mar 08 15:49:27 <b0t> Hello..
Mar 08 15:49:29 <b0t> i need help
Mar 08 15:54:36 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: W/dalvikvm(6673): threadid=1: thread exiting with uncaught exception (group=0xb2c02180)
Mar 08 15:54:37 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): in writeCrashedAppName, pkgName :org.yaaic
Mar 08 15:54:37 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): FATAL EXCEPTION: main
Mar 08 15:55:06 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at org.yaaic.activity.LoginActivity$1.onClick(LoginActivity.java:109)
Mar 08 15:55:06 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.view.View.performClick(View.java:3511)
Mar 08 15:55:06 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.view.View$PerformClick.run(View.java:14105)
Mar 08 15:55:06 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.os.Handler.handleCallback(Handler.java:605)
Mar 08 15:55:06 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:92)
Mar 08 15:55:07 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:137)
Mar 08 15:55:07 <b0t> 03-08 12:53:12.811: E/AndroidRuntime(6673): 	at android.app.ActivityThread.main(ActivityThread.java:4424)
Mar 08 15:55:15 <Zharf> do not paste in the channel
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Mar 08 15:58:14 <b0t> (_)_) __________ Zharf
Mar 08 15:58:59 <autrilla> canadiancow, are you there?
Mar 08 16:00:14 <autrilla> b0t is being rude
Mar 08 16:00:32 <b0t> what..
Mar 08 16:00:54 <autrilla> http://gyazo.com/416f5ff8c4c65d00f019049f7749e39a
Mar 08 16:02:29 <EGHDK> What the difference between having an anonymous inner class that is a Thread, and having the same, thats a runnable. Me and a coworker mostly do obj-c, but now moving onto java, we are unsure. From simple searches it seems like runnable and thread create new threads.
Mar 08 16:05:17 <LoneSoldier728> hey can I use an intent to just call a method?
Mar 08 16:15:10 <pfn> EGHDK, Don't extend thread
Mar 08 16:15:36 <Leeds> b0t: just to be clear, are you working with the java source code yet?
Mar 08 16:19:05 <b0t> nope
Mar 08 16:19:11 <b0t> i progress
Mar 08 16:19:16 <b0t> smal progress
Mar 08 16:20:19 <b0t> i work in smali, not in java Leeds
Mar 08 16:21:17 <Leeds> then you're a nutter
Mar 08 16:22:11 <b0t> Leeds: you know java?
Mar 08 16:22:28 <Leeds> I know kung-fu?
Mar 08 16:24:54 <^cheeky> i dunno any foo :/
Mar 08 16:26:32 <Leeds> b0t: I'd say pretty much everyone here knows at least some java
Mar 08 16:28:28 <b0t> I fail to get it, 3 days ago I am day and night
Mar 08 16:29:01 <Leeds> meh
Mar 08 16:29:29 <EGHDK> pfn: Is thread what I would normally use? anon inner class? new Thread{public void run(){//do long running stuff here so I dont block UI}}.start();
Mar 08 16:30:59 <pfn> no.
Mar 08 16:32:42 <pfn> don't extend thread
Mar 08 16:34:27 <EGHDK> I'm not extending it?
Mar 08 16:35:11 <EGHDK> I'm simply calling new Thread{ ...}.start(); in one of my methods.
Mar 08 16:39:20 <autrilla> Does anyone have a nav drawer PSD template?
Mar 08 16:40:44 <autrilla> I want to make a PSD with how the app would look
Mar 08 16:58:48 <fancy42> i have a drawer layout. and it seems to be at the correct position, but at the top and the left side there seems to be transparent for 20dp or something. i heard from a friend that this is a common problem. does anybody have experience with it?
Mar 08 17:02:09 <jellybee> Hey, is it possible to create Tabs (like in the Google Play app) in API 8? It does not have to be scrollable tabs..
Mar 08 17:15:23 <pfn> EGHDK, that's extending it
Mar 08 17:16:02 <pfn> I suppose it works, but is generally poor practice
Mar 08 17:16:53 <EGHDK> pfn: Really?
Mar 08 17:17:31 <EGHDK> That doesn't make sense to me. Care to point me to an article or elaborate? Why shouldn't I extend... etc? Thanks again. Appreciate it.
Mar 08 17:18:42 <pfn> read jcip
Mar 08 17:19:20 <EGHDK> java concurrency in practice?
Mar 08 17:19:58 <EGHDK> http://www.amazon.com/Java-Concurrency-Practice-Brian-Goetz/dp/0321349601/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1394299182&sr=1-1&keywords=java+concurrency+in+practice
Mar 08 17:23:29 <cff> aww
Mar 08 17:23:54 <cff> the "/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1394299182&sr=1-1&keywords=java+concurrency+in+practice" part is unnecessary
Mar 08 17:25:58 <EGHDK> cff: Heh. Thanks
Mar 08 17:50:57 <nick9998> hey doggies
Mar 08 17:52:09 <^cheeky> w00f w00f
Mar 08 17:52:44 <Zeppelin> i am busting for a dump
Mar 08 17:53:09 <nick9998> hold it, it builds character
Mar 08 17:53:34 <Zeppelin> yer i always try to hold on to my crap as long as i can
Mar 08 18:08:49 <pavel_> hi, does anybody here have experience with SQLCipher?
Mar 08 18:10:03 <g00s> pavel_ looks cool, it will be difficult to use though
Mar 08 18:10:25 <g00s> you'll have to compile your own sqlite with that extension, and then figure out how to access it from java
Mar 08 18:11:00 <pavel_> g00s ...no there is android port for sqlcipher
Mar 08 18:11:19 <cff> That's what the docs are for, pavel_why are you asking?
Mar 08 18:11:33 <EGHDK> pavel_: Yes there is? I'm using it.
Mar 08 18:11:42 <cff> http://sqlcipher.net/sqlcipher-for-android/
Mar 08 18:12:25 <g00s> wow cool, yeah they pretty much did all of that
Mar 08 18:12:34 <g00s> net.sqlcipher.database.SQLiteDatabase
Mar 08 18:12:53 <pavel_> i have non encrypted database and I want to decrypt it in android? any idea?
Mar 08 18:13:12 <g00s> read the docs ?
Mar 08 18:13:15 <g00s> lol
Mar 08 18:13:23 <cff> How can you decrypt something you haven't encrypted?
Mar 08 18:13:42 <g00s> cff i just caught that, a little tired XD
Mar 08 18:13:50 <g00s> even more lol
Mar 08 18:13:54 <cff> :-)
Mar 08 18:14:08 <Linkandzelda> hey guys, I'm trying to rotate the accelleromter values by 60 degrees. right now when my phone is flat on table facing sky the X gives 0.00 around about) and when one of the sides is facing the sky its +10/-10. how can I shift these values so that they show 0 while the side is facing the sky (and +10/-10 when the screen is facing the sky) ? thanks in advance!
Mar 08 18:14:09 <pavel_> oh sorry for bad english :D i have unencrypted database
Mar 08 18:14:39 <pavel_> and i dont know if i have to encrypt it in computer or in android
Mar 08 18:15:29 <EGHDK> You encrypt it in the actual application by using sqlcipher. You decrypt it inside of the application with whatever key you set for the db.
Mar 08 18:15:29 <EGHDK> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17223556/taking-an-example-app-and-adding-sqlcipher-not-working
Mar 08 18:16:22 <cff> pavel_: https://github.com/sqlcipher/android-database-sqlcipher#details-for-developers
Mar 08 18:18:40 <pavel_> yes but how can i encipher an existing unencrypted database in phone?
Mar 08 18:19:31 <autrilla> The nav drawer should always be extended on tablets, right?
Mar 08 18:20:31 <nick9998> pavel_: use cat command
Mar 08 18:21:02 <nick9998> okay dog?
Mar 08 18:21:28 <pavel_> no
Mar 08 18:30:06 <g00s> hmm! http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57620071-92/google-cited-as-bothered-by-android-windows-hybrid/
Mar 08 18:31:02 <g00s> not sure who they are marketing this kind of thing to though
Mar 08 18:31:27 <cff> they'll eventually find someone!
Mar 08 18:31:47 <autrilla> What was the website that gave you icons for a word?
Mar 08 18:32:07 <cff> autrilla: Google Images?
Mar 08 18:32:14 <autrilla> cff, nope
Mar 08 18:32:37 <cff> autrilla: https://www.google.com/search?q=icons+for+word
Mar 08 18:32:53 <cff> autrilla: or try "icons search by keyword"
Mar 08 18:33:05 <cff> without quotes
Mar 08 18:33:54 <g00s> there were 2, one i remember is noun project
Mar 08 18:34:03 <g00s> another one on HN a few days ago, can't remember
Mar 08 18:37:13 <cff> Icons for Android apps ?
Mar 08 18:38:19 <cff> http://hn.algolia.com/#!/story/sort_by_date/prefix/0/icons
Mar 08 18:56:20 <gillette> isnt it possible to nest packages in the src folder?
Mar 08 19:05:09 <Napalm> gillette: what do you mean?
Mar 08 19:05:39 <Napalm> gillette: that is to say, packages are hierarchical, so they are already nested
Mar 08 19:07:00 <RustyShackleford> I'm a bit confused about how to start my Service
Mar 08 19:07:30 <RustyShackleford> In the service, I'll be monitoring the current location with GPS, and provide alerts with TTS
Mar 08 19:07:45 <RustyShackleford> I probably want the service on its own thread, right?
Mar 08 19:08:31 <g00s> hmm, i have a class which extends Preference, but its setpersisted(false). It basically shows a value and when clicked launches an intent. But how can i make sure its always showing the right value in its summary? i don't think i can use SharedPreferences#registerOnSharedPreferenceChangeListener in my custom Pref (how would i unregister?)
Mar 08 19:11:14 <gillette> Is there a way to update all package names in the java files to the package name they are lying under?
Mar 08 19:12:28 <RustyShackleford> gillette,  hover over the error and see if it offers a solution
Mar 08 19:12:37 <RustyShackleford> eclipse, right?
Mar 08 19:15:50 <gillette> yes but then i have to do it for a every single file...
Mar 08 19:19:29 <RustyShackleford> there might a be an option like, "fix all errors of this type"
Mar 08 19:19:50 <RustyShackleford> anyway, unless you have a ton of files, it might be easier to just fix them manually
Mar 08 19:20:23 <RustyShackleford> at a certain point, you could have fixed them all while you were searching for a clever solution
Mar 08 19:23:17 <DarkChaoz> Is there any sites that explains irc protocol on android?
Mar 08 19:24:16 <SuD> irc protocol on android? like if irc was different on each platform?
Mar 08 19:24:21 <Thorbear> I don't think there is any special protocol for irc on android
Mar 08 19:25:28 <g00s> O.o
Mar 08 19:25:30 <DarkChaoz> Whatever err cuz i want to make irc app on android
Mar 08 19:25:55 <SuD> are you interested on a) IRC protocol. or b) android app development?
Mar 08 19:25:57 <DarkChaoz> Just need to know how its done
Mar 08 19:26:01 <g00s> pfn you have real competition now !
Mar 08 19:26:23 <Thorbear> DarkChaoz: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812
Mar 08 19:26:24 <SuD> c) both, including networking and GUI aspects
Mar 08 19:28:16 <DarkChaoz> Soz got dc'd
Mar 08 19:28:28 <Thorbear> DarkChaoz: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812
Mar 08 19:28:41 <RustyShackleford> should I subclass IntentService or Service?
Mar 08 19:29:26 <g00s> RustyShackleford by now, there has to be at least several hundred tutorials on reading gps in a service
Mar 08 19:29:39 <g00s> look ay MyTracks
Mar 08 19:29:49 <DarkChaoz> Thanks,
Mar 08 19:30:02 <RustyShackleford> g00s, oh i can see the source for My Tracks?
Mar 08 19:30:21 <g00s> unless you're in Iran or something ...
Mar 08 19:30:30 <DarkChaoz> isnt there any guides on how to make irc for android
Mar 08 19:30:48 <RustyShackleford> g00s, not sure what you mean by that
Mar 08 19:30:53 <SuD> DarkChaoz: obviously not. There are guides for IRC, other guides for android networking, and other guides for android GUI
Mar 08 19:30:57 <RustyShackleford> where could I find the source? does it come with ADT?
Mar 08 19:31:01 <DarkChaoz> Ahh
Mar 08 19:31:28 <SuD> http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1963 <-- IRC protocol from a practical approach (IRC over telnet)
Mar 08 19:31:55 <DarkChaoz> So more or less just learn from all 3 sections then esstientally build it from what i learnt?
Mar 08 19:32:26 <SuD> a full fledge irc client could be a little complicated for a newbiew though
Mar 08 19:33:04 <DarkChaoz> Yeh ofc.
Mar 08 19:33:31 <SuD> not that you cannot do it, just that it is going to take time and effort
Mar 08 19:33:32 <DarkChaoz> I've started to learn java before to progress to learn android
Mar 08 19:34:08 <DarkChaoz> First i'll practise by creating simple apps before dipping into the intermidiate stuff
Mar 08 19:34:28 <gillette> I want to rename my project and my repo on github. is it possible without problems to: Change the name of the project in eclipse and then just push the repo to another repo on github instead?
Mar 08 19:40:05 <autrilla> What do you think so far? http://gyazo.com/1ca94cce679febe8a0e8a674af1d0840
Mar 08 19:41:41 <p1ne> Hi. I am working on adding export to APK functionality to an application.
Mar 08 19:41:59 <p1ne> Could someone please direct me to the relevant resources for that? :)
Mar 08 19:51:32 <Napalm> p1ne: what do you mean exactly? you want to make an APK file? or you just want to send some data to other apps
Mar 08 19:52:15 <p1ne> No. Build an APK archive given the source and resources from scratch.
Mar 08 19:52:44 <p1ne> That is, emulate what the ADT does in Eclipse, but for a different app. ShrinkWrap, to be exact.
Mar 08 19:53:51 <Mavrik> p1ne, this is relevant for you then: http://developer.android.com/tools/building/index.html :)
Mar 08 19:54:55 <p1ne> Thank you :)
Mar 08 19:55:15 <p1ne> Is there any other project apart from ADT out there which has tried to do the same thing?
Mar 08 19:55:34 <p1ne> i.e integrate an "export to APK" feature?
Mar 08 19:55:54 <Napalm> p1ne: what are you trying to export?
Mar 08 19:56:42 <Napalm> code? app prototype?
Mar 08 19:56:44 <Napalm> what
Mar 08 19:56:45 <p1ne> It can be anything, actually(because APK is a ZIP like archiving format, and we want to preserve that). But it will mostly be source code.
Mar 08 19:56:55 <Napalm> i think you miss my point
Mar 08 19:57:07 <Napalm> what is the end APK
Mar 08 19:57:32 <Napalm> is this app that has the export featyre on an android device on or desktop
Mar 08 19:58:13 <p1ne> No, this is a desktop app. http://jboss.org/shrinkwrap
Mar 08 19:59:16 <Napalm> so this is an alternative for developers to make apps with? or something?
Mar 08 19:59:52 <Napalm> if so, then the best thing is to have your interface ask for the sdk build tools directory and just run the precompiled tools
Mar 08 20:00:06 <s4lt> Quick question about AsyncTasks and services:  In my service, I am requesting configuration data from a server.  I then spin up an asynctask to get the data.  However, my service shouldnt continue until the configuration data is received.  If I execute.get() on the Asnyctask, it blocks and I get an ANR.  If I execute() I don't think I can be assured that it has finished - how do I approach this?
Mar 08 20:00:11 <Napalm> p1ne: *
Mar 08 20:00:25 <Mavrik> s4lt, are you spawning another thread for your service?
Mar 08 20:00:46 <Mavrik> s4lt, because it seems like you're running your service on same Main/UI thread as your main app
Mar 08 20:00:51 <Mavrik> which is causing you problems.
Mar 08 20:01:12 <Napalm> s4lt: the request has to be async
Mar 08 20:01:19 <Napalm> s4lt: you would let you service continue
Mar 08 20:01:36 <Napalm> and have your async request call back into your service to tell the client that the operation has completed
Mar 08 20:01:58 <s4lt> Okay, that makes sense.
Mar 08 20:02:02 <Mavrik> hmm, usually running service code on Main thread is a huge code smell
Mar 08 20:02:08 <Mavrik> that's practically never what you want
Mar 08 20:02:09 <s4lt> How do I pass in the callback function?
Mar 08 20:02:11 <Napalm> p1ne: if this is more like a prototype thing, then your probably better of making a app that reads its assets directory for a script and images and what not and generically runs
Mar 08 20:02:41 <Napalm> s4lt: AsyncTask has a onPostExecute method
Mar 08 20:02:52 <s4lt> Mavrik from my understanding, Asyctask -is- spinning up a seperate thread.
Mar 08 20:03:05 <p1ne> Napalm: I didnt get your last point. The user will provide the data to be packaged. I want to write an API that gives the user an interface to specify the resources. Once it is done, the resources etc are to be compiled into an APK archive. Thats it.
Mar 08 20:03:52 <Napalm> s4lt: correct, but then you wait for it. using execute.get() which then makes your Async operation non-async
Mar 08 20:04:11 <Napalm> p1ne: ok? APK is just a zip.
Mar 08 20:04:18 <Mavrik> s4lt, yes, but you're waiting on it with execute.get on main UI thread of your app
Mar 08 20:04:22 <Mavrik> s4lt, which is kinda silly :)
Mar 08 20:04:39 <Mavrik> s4lt, do all your service work in a separate thread
Mar 08 20:04:51 <Mavrik> s4lt, there's no reason to run code on main thread in a service, there's no UI to update
Mar 08 20:05:23 <p1ne> Napalm: Yep. Thats what I said initially. But it has specific requirements. Like the Manifest file and the need to compile the Java source code into .dex file.
Mar 08 20:06:07 <Napalm> p1ne: then just execute the sdk tools to do so, just like the diagrams show on the page Mavrik linked you too
Mar 08 20:06:55 <Napalm> p1ne: you know the sdk tools are open-source so you can work out, how its done
Mar 08 20:07:16 <p1ne> Yes, that was helpful. I somehow missed the building and running page in the docs :)
Mar 08 20:25:13 <KneferilisHome> hello, I have a weird problem, in main method if I pass static variable to host/port to socket, it doesn't connect, if I pass it local variable it connects, any ideas?
Mar 08 20:35:07 <HisaoNakai> Hey folks. Do Android applications using Python with SL4A include the whole Python interpreter?
Mar 08 20:35:20 <p_l> HisaoNakai: yes
Mar 08 20:35:30 <p_l> Well, unless you depend on pre-installed SL4A
Mar 08 20:36:13 <HisaoNakai> Ah, I see...thanks, p_l .
Mar 08 20:41:40 <g00s> p_l are you using FF 27? seems this version has been eating ram like crazy, are you noticing that also ?
Mar 08 20:45:47 <meisolsson> Hi, I'm having a problem with getting the Location of the device, always a nullpointer, anyone know a safe and fast way?
Mar 08 20:50:21 <p_l> g00s: nope. The only ram guzzler here is Chrome, especially for keeping things that are no longer displayed
Mar 08 20:51:01 <g00s> wonder if its a stupid plugin. i only use noscript, abp, disconnect.me
Mar 08 20:51:39 <g00s> seems like i only have to browse a few pages and it goes to 1.5G
Mar 08 20:51:55 <g00s> (starts up at around 400mb)
Mar 08 20:58:32 <p_l> g00s: ... sorry to say, but check without noscript
Mar 08 20:58:49 <p_l> also, check if you get noscript's "we got updated" page upon restart of firefox
Mar 08 20:59:12 <g00s> yeah, i wish there was more visibility into what tabs / extensions where using what memory / cpu
Mar 08 20:59:33 <jacoplane> Does anyone know if it's possible to hide the soft keyboard when I open a Navigation Drawer?
Mar 08 20:59:58 <p_l> g00s: I noticed that if my FF suddenly slowed down, upon restart it would always show NoScript's "updated" page
Mar 08 21:00:07 <g00s> hm
Mar 08 21:00:44 <autrilla> What do you think so far? http://gyazo.com/1ca94cce679febe8a0e8a674af1d0840
Mar 08 21:01:50 <shmooz> jacoplane: lookup imm.hideSoftInputFromWindow(v.getWindowToken(),0);
Mar 08 21:01:57 <g00s> autrilla nice; i think they recommend Settings still goes in the action bar overflow though
Mar 08 21:02:14 <autrilla> g00s, oh. Google Music has it on the drawer
Mar 08 21:02:24 <g00s> also, try to make all the items the same height
Mar 08 21:02:37 <autrilla> g00s, yeah, that's photoshop. I'm eyeballing everything
Mar 08 21:02:42 <g00s> i'd get rid of the italic also
Mar 08 21:02:57 <autrilla> g00s, not to sure about it either
Mar 08 21:03:45 <Napalm> autrilla: only if settings play a big part in your app should they be on the Drawer
Mar 08 21:03:46 <g00s> i've never seen google music since gingerbread :D
Mar 08 21:04:02 <Napalm> autrilla: i assume you dont want farm's really playing with the settings?
Mar 08 21:04:17 <autrilla> Napalm, no, not really
Mar 08 21:04:34 <autrilla> They should be able to change some parts of the config of devices in their farms
Mar 08 21:04:42 <g00s> i can't read spanish, probably applies to '?' and 'i' also
Mar 08 21:04:50 <g00s> probably help & info :)
Mar 08 21:04:54 <jacoplane> schmooz: yeah I tried that but I can't get the view that contains the edittext from the parent activity of the fragment.
Mar 08 21:04:55 <Napalm> autrilla: we'll is that settings or "farm devices"
Mar 08 21:04:58 <autrilla> g00s, exactly :)
Mar 08 21:05:10 <autrilla> Napalm, oh, that won't be on settings
Mar 08 21:05:33 <Napalm> jacoplane: yes, you can hide the soft-keyboard
Mar 08 21:05:36 <autrilla> Not really sure I need settings at all!
Mar 08 21:05:48 <autrilla> Also, should the nav drawer always be shown on tablets?
Mar 08 21:06:08 <Napalm> autrilla: thats just preference
Mar 08 21:09:10 <g00s> autrilla i've never seen it shown by default on 7" devices
Mar 08 21:09:21 <g00s> (except learning mode)
Mar 08 21:09:28 <g00s> even landscape
Mar 08 21:09:44 <g00s> maybe landscape 10" ? probably not worth it
Mar 08 21:10:23 <viran> Hello, I'm working on a custom view, I'm looking for a way to move a rectangle I drew  50 pixels to the right/left ... any idea how? On the same onDraw() call while I'm drawing on the canvas, there are cases where I need to move stuff around right after they were drawn... any idea how?
Mar 08 21:31:21 <RustyShackleford> still trying to figure out how my Activity can "talk" with muy Service
Mar 08 21:31:26 <RustyShackleford> do I bind to the service?
Mar 08 21:32:53 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, if you're within a process
Mar 08 21:33:02 <Mavrik> there's ton of ways :)
Mar 08 21:33:14 <RustyShackleford> both components are part of the same app
Mar 08 21:33:20 <Mavrik> send intent, send message over EventBus/Otto, call object directly, etc.
Mar 08 21:33:24 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, I said process. :)
Mar 08 21:33:52 <RustyShackleford> yeah I'm not sure what that means, haha. I want the service and activity on different threads, if that helps
Mar 08 21:34:36 <RustyShackleford> so several examples seem to show commands being sent to a service. However, I want to retrieve info from the service
Mar 08 21:38:52 <w9jds_> I get an accesstoken to Drive.File via AccountManager and pass it to my App Engine service. Will I be able to upload a file via HttpPost or will I need to somehow attach my Client ID to the call?
Mar 08 21:39:32 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, Service is just a class
Mar 08 21:39:44 <Mavrik> as long as you're within the same process you can access it as any other class.
Mar 08 21:40:15 <RustyShackleford> well i guess the issue is: how am I supposed to get a reference to the Service?
Mar 08 21:40:38 <RustyShackleford> and that seems to depend on how the Service is started
Mar 08 21:40:56 <Mavrik> as I said, use an Intent or a messagebus library to send data to UI
Mar 08 21:41:05 <Mavrik> instead of trying to find a way to leak service reference ;)
Mar 08 21:50:19 <EGHDK> is there anyway to set a listener for if the keyboard pops up?
Mar 08 21:50:40 <EGHDK> or if the keyboard pops up because of the focus on a view?
Mar 08 22:12:24 <TacticalJoke> I'm getting a crash in the emulator.  I can't reproduce this on my two devices.  Is it safe to assume a bug in the emulator?
Mar 08 22:14:15 <RustyShackleford> Mavrik, i'm specifying android:process in the manifest. Can I still use Binder?
Mar 08 22:14:40 <RustyShackleford> i'm not quite sure, but I think I want to bind to the service
Mar 08 22:14:46 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, depends on what crashes.
Mar 08 22:14:55 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, well read the doc and be sure?
Mar 08 22:15:24 <RustyShackleford> you make it sound simple
Mar 08 22:15:42 <RustyShackleford> i've got so many tabs of docs open
Mar 08 22:15:59 <Mavrik> thing is, you're asking us code design questions
Mar 08 22:16:23 <Mavrik> on which we cannot answer beacuse we don't know what are you doing
Mar 08 22:16:35 <Mavrik> there are several ways to accomplish what you want.
Mar 08 22:17:01 <RustyShackleford> would you like me to describe my goals better?
Mar 08 22:17:08 <RustyShackleford> or would you prefer i fuck off?
Mar 08 22:18:00 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  I have a simple app with a simple activity.  The activity calls a simple dialog fragment.
Mar 08 22:18:11 <TacticalJoke> The crash happens *sometimes* when the dialog fragment calls getActivity().
Mar 08 22:18:17 <TacticalJoke> There is no reason getActivity() should return null.
Mar 08 22:18:35 <TacticalJoke> This happens *sometimes* in the 2.3.3 emulator.  Never in my two 4.x phones.
Mar 08 22:18:52 <RustyShackleford> Anyway, my Service monitors location with GPS, then compares it to a list of Locations I have. Additionally, the Service will handle alerting the user with TTS notifications
Mar 08 22:19:17 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, yes, that's certanly your bug
Mar 08 22:19:20 <Mavrik> not an emulator :)
Mar 08 22:19:41 <RustyShackleford> However, I also want to display some information from the Service in an Activity. The service will be active whether or not the Activity is active
Mar 08 22:19:42 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  My DialogFragment code is practically equivalent to the example on the Android Devlopers blog.  : )
Mar 08 22:19:52 <TacticalJoke> I don't see how getActivity() could ever return null there.
Mar 08 22:20:00 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, I suggest you use a messagebus library (EventBus or Otto)
Mar 08 22:20:09 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, your service sends updates via messages
Mar 08 22:20:26 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, and your Activity registers on bus in onResume and unregisters in onPause
Mar 08 22:20:44 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  Why do you think it's my bug?  Just wondering.
Mar 08 22:21:09 <Mavrik> it's fast, reasonably simple and harder to leak references :)
Mar 08 22:21:34 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, because having crashes because you're dereferecing activities on detached fragment is rather common for people dealing with fragments for first time
Mar 08 22:21:46 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, Fragment MAY have null in getActivity when it gets detached
Mar 08 22:22:01 <Mavrik> you're not handling that properly... you're probably running some code async which causes that race condition
Mar 08 22:22:19 <Mavrik> 2.3 probably just detaches fragment more often
Mar 08 22:22:46 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  There is no reason to detach, though.
Mar 08 22:22:50 <RustyShackleford> if the Service will always be running, should I start it in another process?
Mar 08 22:22:55 <TacticalJoke> Like I said, what I'm doing is the same as what's on the Android Developers blog.
Mar 08 22:23:14 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, well, it does detach. You have to be ready for that condition.
Mar 08 22:23:21 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, no
Mar 08 22:23:22 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  But then the app can't work.
Mar 08 22:23:29 <TacticalJoke> How does it get the activity if it has detache?
Mar 08 22:23:31 <TacticalJoke> detached*
Mar 08 22:23:34 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, no reason for it and it'll make passing data around a living hell for it
Mar 08 22:23:40 <RustyShackleford> so just on another thread?
Mar 08 22:23:42 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, it doesn't, because you don't have an activity
Mar 08 22:23:48 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, it's not part of an activity.
Mar 08 22:23:53 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, yep
Mar 08 22:23:56 <TacticalJoke> It has to call back to my activity.
Mar 08 22:24:01 <TacticalJoke> The activity is always there.
Mar 08 22:24:03 <TacticalJoke> Never gets closed.
Mar 08 22:24:03 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, start a new thread when service starts, do your work there
Mar 08 22:24:08 <TacticalJoke> This app is practically "Hello, world!" simple.
Mar 08 22:24:09 <TacticalJoke> : )
Mar 08 22:24:10 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, send updates via message bus
Mar 08 22:24:19 <Mavrik> RustyShackleford, update UI in message handler in activity :)
Mar 08 22:24:24 <Sicp> nothing is simple, dude
Mar 08 22:24:33 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, you're making wrong assumptions
Mar 08 22:24:58 <Mavrik> it's common, Fragment docs are shite around that issue
Mar 08 22:25:10 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  Then the Android Developers blog is wrong.  :/
Mar 08 22:25:40 <TacticalJoke> http://android-developers.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/using-dialogfragments.html
Mar 08 22:25:56 <TacticalJoke> If you search that page for "getActivity", that is what I'm doing.
Mar 08 22:26:41 <Mavrik> ah, yep, callback
Mar 08 22:26:48 <Mavrik> that can easily resolve into null activity :)
Mar 08 22:26:59 <TacticalJoke> So the blog is wrong, too?
Mar 08 22:27:08 <Sicp> it won't allow you to compile if you are somewhere that has no context
Mar 08 22:27:40 <Sicp> you need Context.getActivity() sometimes, depending on where you are trying to call getActivity() from
Mar 08 22:27:42 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, *shrug* What do you want me to say?
Mar 08 22:27:54 <TacticalJoke> The blog was written by Android engineers, I thought.
Mar 08 22:28:06 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  So do we have to use onAttach?
Mar 08 22:28:06 <Sicp> it's probably you who is wrong
Mar 08 22:28:51 <TacticalJoke> Here's my code.  It's really simple.  https://bitbucket.org/illusory/dicetherapy/src/c3c2bdba8e65401cdd3e6a48826207ca73a862da/DiceTherapy/src/org/bitbucket/illusory/dicetherapy/ItemDialogFragment.java?at=default
Mar 08 22:29:06 <TacticalJoke> Line 72 is where the crash is.
Mar 08 22:29:09 <Sicp> use pastie websites, don't link to Bitbucket dude
Mar 08 22:29:16 <Sicp> http://www.pastie.org
Mar 08 22:29:39 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, any reason you don't just check in the callback if acvitity is gone and skip UI update?
Mar 08 22:29:52 <Mavrik> since when fragment is detached it's also not visible
Mar 08 22:30:47 <TacticalJoke> Okay:  http://pastebin.com/S2RSNHrq
Mar 08 22:31:02 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  Because then the UI wouldn't be updated.  It needs to be updated every time.
Mar 08 22:31:11 <Mavrik> what difference does it make
Mar 08 22:31:15 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  The fragment is visible when this happens.
Mar 08 22:31:21 <TacticalJoke> Nothing gets destroyed.
Mar 08 22:31:22 <Mavrik> to not update UI that's not on screen?
Mar 08 22:31:26 <TacticalJoke> Everything is fine, and then it crashes.
Mar 08 22:31:32 <TacticalJoke> Mavrik:  It is on screen.
Mar 08 22:31:32 <Mavrik> that makes no sense
Mar 08 22:31:38 <TacticalJoke> You're not understanding what I'm saying.
Mar 08 22:31:45 <Mavrik> are you sure you're not creating multiple copies of fragment accidentaly?
Mar 08 22:31:45 <TacticalJoke> Everything is on screen: the activity, the dialog fragment.
Mar 08 22:31:58 <Mavrik> and you're getting callbacks triggered on wrong instance?
Mar 08 22:32:12 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'm sure.
Mar 08 22:32:14 <LoneSoldier728> why would a button over a listitem show as transparent showing the list through it?
Mar 08 22:32:48 <Sicp> you're in the second level of nesting, inside a listener
Mar 08 22:32:54 <Sicp> you don't get an activity where you are
Mar 08 22:33:13 <Sicp> someone else must get it for you, someone who is accessible where you are, in the listener
Mar 08 22:33:55 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Mar 08 22:33:59 <TacticalJoke> How comes it works almost always?
Mar 08 22:34:03 <LoneSoldier728> http://pastebin.com/VTAeyntj
Mar 08 22:34:04 <Sicp> never worked with fragments, but definitely fell into what Im seeing now, many times
Mar 08 22:34:21 <LoneSoldier728> so when I am typing text the button pops up naturally but then the list row shows through it?
Mar 08 22:35:20 <TacticalJoke> Sicp:  The anonymous class should be able to call getActivity() just as well.
Mar 08 22:35:26 <TacticalJoke> It can access its parent's methods.
Mar 08 22:35:27 <Sicp> of course not
Mar 08 22:35:32 <TacticalJoke> Why not?
Mar 08 22:35:59 <Sicp> why technically? I don't know. But from experience, that has never worked
Mar 08 22:36:02 <TacticalJoke> Anonymous classes have full access to their parents, surely.
Mar 08 22:36:06 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Mar 08 22:36:14 <TacticalJoke> So I'd have to use onAttach, basically.
Mar 08 22:36:16 <LoneSoldier728> nvm
Mar 08 22:36:17 <TacticalJoke> ?
Mar 08 22:36:18 <Sicp> I use Handler instead, I use AsyncTask to be able to always have a way of talking to UIThread
Mar 08 22:36:18 <LoneSoldier728> wrong id
Mar 08 22:36:25 <TacticalJoke> I'm always on the UI thread.
Mar 08 22:37:01 <Sicp> if that were to work normally, you wouldn't be casting it to Listener
Mar 08 22:37:14 <TacticalJoke> How do you mean?
Mar 08 22:37:35 <Sicp>                 ((Listener) getActivity()).onItemDialogOkClick(type, inputText);
Mar 08 22:37:36 <Sicp>                 ((Listener) getActivity()).onItemDialogOkClick(type, inputText);
Mar 08 22:37:36 <Sicp>                 ((Listener) getActivity()).onItemDialogOkClick(type, inputText);
Mar 08 22:37:36 <Sicp> ((Listener) getActivity()...
Mar 08 22:37:38 <Sicp> oops
Mar 08 22:38:26 <Sicp> eh, I'm in too deep, I don't know.
Mar 08 22:39:43 <TacticalJoke> K.  :D
Mar 08 22:39:48 <TacticalJoke> It's just casting to be able to call that method.
Mar 08 22:40:07 <TacticalJoke> The first example here does the same as I'm doing: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/DialogFragment.html
Mar 08 22:40:20 <TacticalJoke> Calls getActivity() inside an anonymous class.
Mar 08 22:40:38 <TacticalJoke> In fact, there are three examples of this on that page.
Mar 08 22:40:43 <TacticalJoke> I don't see how my code can be wrong.
Mar 08 22:41:20 <Sicp> what does the exception say
Mar 08 22:41:45 <TacticalJoke> getActivity() is returning null.  I checked.
Mar 08 22:41:50 <Sicp> what does the exception say
Mar 08 22:41:53 <TacticalJoke> It's a NullReferenceException.
Mar 08 22:42:05 <TacticalJoke> NullPointerException*
Mar 08 22:42:09 <Sicp> provide stack trace
Mar 08 22:42:13 <Sicp> the whole red section
Mar 08 22:42:57 <TacticalJoke> http://pastie.org/private/ox7ilbh3evytnvsknp2kw
Mar 08 22:43:05 <TacticalJoke> Sorry, ignore that "Changeset" line at the top.  : )
Mar 08 22:44:00 <RedEyedGirl> hi everyone I  wanna get started making apps for android I have an ACER ICONIA B1-710 that's running android. What should I do to get started? the typs of apps I want to make are relatively simple one screen apps that have touch screen interface support and render 2d sprites, backgrounds and stuff.
Mar 08 22:44:24 <Sicp> well there's a difference between the code you linked to on the Android docs and your code
Mar 08 22:44:32 <TacticalJoke> Sicp:  What difference?
Mar 08 22:44:45 <Sicp> they are casting it to FragmentDialog, something akin to the class they are extending in that class
Mar 08 22:44:51 <Sicp> you cast it to Listener
Mar 08 22:45:02 <Sicp> that's 1 difference
Mar 08 22:45:07 <TacticalJoke> Okay, but that's not the issue.  I've checked, and getActivity is returning null.
Mar 08 22:45:14 <Sicp> so you can't claim I'm doing the same thing and it fails
Mar 08 22:46:57 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  You're actually running Android on your laptop?
Mar 08 22:47:03 <Sicp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8276634/android-get-hosting-activity-from-a-view
Mar 08 22:47:06 <Sicp> try that
Mar 08 22:47:46 <TacticalJoke> Sicp:  I don't get it.  getContext()?
Mar 08 22:47:49 <TacticalJoke> Is that relevant here?
Mar 08 22:48:11 <Sicp> I think it does
Mar 08 22:48:12 <Sicp> try
Mar 08 22:48:16 <Sicp> you have a view instance
Mar 08 22:49:06 <TacticalJoke> The problem with this bug is that I can't reproduce it often.
Mar 08 22:49:13 <TacticalJoke> It happens maybe one in 25 times in the emulator.
Mar 08 22:49:22 <TacticalJoke> Never on my two 4.x phones.
Mar 08 22:49:27 <TacticalJoke> Not so far, anyway.
Mar 08 22:50:10 <Sicp> oh
Mar 08 22:50:39 <TacticalJoke> Okay, got it.
Mar 08 22:50:43 <TacticalJoke> getActivity() is definitely returning null.
Mar 08 22:50:48 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it's a 2.3.3 bug?
Mar 08 22:52:51 <TacticalJoke> I think it's fair to say that getActivity should never be returning null in that code.
Mar 08 22:53:03 <TacticalJoke> Especially because the docs for DialogFragments show three examples of exactly what I'm doing.
Mar 08 22:53:20 <Sicp> this is with the view.getContext() line?
Mar 08 22:53:28 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I didn't try.
Mar 08 22:53:32 <Sicp> you ought to
Mar 08 22:55:07 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  I'm not sure it makes a difference.
Mar 08 22:55:11 <TacticalJoke> I wish I had a 2.3.3 handset.
Mar 08 22:55:18 <TacticalJoke> I used to have one, but I upgraded it.  lol
Mar 08 22:55:33 <TacticalJoke> I think there's an extremely high chance that this is a 2.3.3 bug or an emulator bug.
Mar 08 22:55:45 <Sicp> you have to pay cash if you try a new line of code?
Mar 08 22:56:15 <TacticalJoke> Sicp:  I'd have to spend 10 minutes trying to reproduce the bug again with a new change that I don't think is relevant.
Mar 08 22:56:24 <shmooz> sounds like Bill Gates' dream's come true ;)
Mar 08 22:56:25 <Sicp> welcome to programming
Mar 08 22:56:26 <TacticalJoke> In any case, the docs do what I'm doing.
Mar 08 22:56:34 <TacticalJoke> If I'm wrong, so are the docs.
Mar 08 22:56:46 <Sicp> the docs don't care
Mar 08 22:56:53 <Sicp> you are the one who's going to end up with code that fails
Mar 08 22:56:55 <Sicp> lol
Mar 08 22:56:57 <TacticalJoke> lol
Mar 08 22:56:59 <TacticalJoke> True.
Mar 08 22:57:11 <TacticalJoke> I have an idea.
Mar 08 22:57:15 <TacticalJoke> I'll log onDetach.
Mar 08 22:57:17 <TacticalJoke> See whether that happens.
Mar 08 22:57:39 <RedEyedGirl> TacticalJoke: No I'm not but I want to get a pc that I can dedicate to running android for development testing and debugging. Hehehehe.
Mar 08 22:57:40 <Sicp> I think the answer has already been given to you by Mavrik
Mar 08 22:57:47 <Sicp> but you cannot understand it yet
Mar 08 22:58:11 <shmooz> RedEyedGirl: stay away from AMD cpu's
Mar 08 22:58:11 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  I'd recommend starting with Eclipse.
Mar 08 22:58:19 <TacticalJoke> Android Studio isn't quite there yet.
Mar 08 22:58:21 <TacticalJoke> IMO.
Mar 08 22:58:22 <Sicp> RedEyedGirl, http://developer.android.com/about/start.html
Mar 08 22:58:35 <TacticalJoke> Sicp:  Mavrik was talking about multithreading.
Mar 08 22:58:36 <TacticalJoke> I think.
Mar 08 22:58:39 <TacticalJoke> My app uses one thread only.
Mar 08 22:58:56 <TacticalJoke> lol
Mar 08 22:58:58 <TacticalJoke> In the emulator...
Mar 08 22:59:01 <TacticalJoke> The launcher just crashed.
Mar 08 22:59:02 <RedEyedGirl> why stay away from AMD cpus?
Mar 08 22:59:05 <TacticalJoke> Maybe the emulator is buggy.
Mar 08 22:59:12 <Sicp> you wish ;)
Mar 08 22:59:16 <RedEyedGirl> My friends and I are looking at a new AMD computer cpu that is clocked at 5 ghz
Mar 08 22:59:16 <TacticalJoke> haha
Mar 08 22:59:18 <shmooz> RedEyedGirl: the emulator won't work with them
Mar 08 22:59:23 <RedEyedGirl> Ohh.
Mar 08 22:59:29 <RedEyedGirl> Well, I won't be using it on that computer. It's for a friend.
Mar 08 22:59:43 <RedEyedGirl> I just thought there might be a reason like it being bad.
Mar 08 22:59:53 <RedEyedGirl> or the cores not actually clocking out at the right speeds.
Mar 08 23:00:04 <shmooz> if you want to run the emulator it's pretty bad
Mar 08 23:04:19 <Sicp> there are many solutions for getting a faster emulator
Mar 08 23:05:22 <Sicp> one is installing HAXM from the SDK Manager
Mar 08 23:05:45 <Sicp> and then installing the Intel x86 Atom image of whatever SDK you choose
Mar 08 23:06:15 <Sicp> creating an AVD and choosing Intel as the processor, HAXM will fire up and the emulator will be very fast
Mar 08 23:07:21 <Sicp> another solution is using Genymotion, http://www.genymotion.com
Mar 08 23:10:21 <TacticalJoke> Do any of you buy old phones from eBay for extra testing?
Mar 08 23:12:03 <shigeru> is there a canonical, best way to have an activity download an image from a web server and display it? I've heard AsyncTask is bad because rotating the screen may cause issues
Mar 08 23:12:04 <TacticalJoke> I have about 500 Google Chrome tabs.  : (
Mar 08 23:12:38 <shigeru> I've been starting an IntentService from the Activity to download the image and post it back via a Bus to the Acitivity to be displayed
Mar 08 23:13:10 <shigeru> I've also heard of people doing fancy shit with RxJava? don't realy know much about that yet though
Mar 08 23:13:37 <TacticalJoke> shigeru:  I'm clueless about this, but isn't using Fragments with setRetainInstance() a way to go?
Mar 08 23:13:57 <shigeru> and I've seen code with special "Controller" objects that do all an Activity's heavy lifting and just post back to the Activity to update the UI
Mar 08 23:14:03 <TacticalJoke> Regarding the activity-being-destroyed-on-screen-rotation thing.
Mar 08 23:14:18 <shigeru> TacticalJoke hmm yeah maybe
Mar 08 23:14:38 <shigeru> I feel like there's a ton of ways to approach this I guess, wondering if there's a "best' way
Mar 08 23:15:30 <TacticalJoke> shigeru:  http://www.androiddesignpatterns.com/2013/04/retaining-objects-across-config-changes.html
Mar 08 23:15:45 <TacticalJoke> They're recommending Fragments and setRetainInstance().
Mar 08 23:16:01 <shigeru> Cool I'll read up on that
Mar 08 23:16:02 <shigeru> thanks
Mar 08 23:16:25 <RedEyedGirl> soo yeah i still feel kind of lost. What development tools should I install on my computer to get started with android?
Mar 08 23:16:37 <shigeru> Android Studio!
Mar 08 23:16:55 <TacticalJoke> I wouldn't recommend AS, personally.
Mar 08 23:16:57 <TacticalJoke> Not yet.
Mar 08 23:17:09 <RedEyedGirl> I need to understand how things are implemented in the android system.
Mar 08 23:17:18 <TacticalJoke> 1. Almost all the documentation/tutorials are about Eclipse, not Android Studio.
Mar 08 23:17:38 <TacticalJoke> 2. Android Studio doesn't (AFAIK) have functions like "Create new Android test".
Mar 08 23:17:48 <shigeru> ah yea i think youre right
Mar 08 23:18:10 <RedEyedGirl> Should I go try to install eclipse and the android SDK?
Mar 08 23:18:25 <Sicp> RedEyedGirl, first place I'd go to when I want to know about developing for Android is d.android.com
Mar 08 23:18:31 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  https://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Mar 08 23:18:31 <RedEyedGirl> mkay
Mar 08 23:18:41 <TacticalJoke> You can get them both there.
Mar 08 23:18:48 <TacticalJoke> You just need the Java SDK.
Mar 08 23:18:49 <TacticalJoke> That's it.
Mar 08 23:19:15 <RedEyedGirl> thanks for that!!
Mar 08 23:19:18 <RedEyedGirl> so helpful
Mar 08 23:19:22 <TacticalJoke> Anytime.
Mar 08 23:19:30 <RedEyedGirl> now I play the waiting game
Mar 08 23:19:53 <RedEyedGirl> would it be a bad idea to try to create a 2d side scroller for android?
Mar 08 23:20:15 <shigeru> as a first project? probably
Mar 08 23:20:15 <TacticalJoke> Probably not.
Mar 08 23:20:20 <shigeru> lol
Mar 08 23:20:21 <TacticalJoke> What is your programming experience like?
Mar 08 23:20:23 <TacticalJoke> shigeru:  lol
Mar 08 23:20:24 <RedEyedGirl> in my experience using virtual inputs is an issue.. when I use nes emulators on my droid I have input issues.
Mar 08 23:21:12 <RedEyedGirl> Well my programming experiences is a little bit of object oriented coding. ALot of procedural programming as a hobby. and I know some C++ , some java and javascript. I'm familiar with things like object heiarchy, inheritance, object or class/function scope. Variables, definitions.. virtual functions.. factory classes...
Mar 08 23:21:27 <RedEyedGirl> I've messed with OpenGL a bit
Mar 08 23:22:09 <RedEyedGirl> but I"ve never coded for a system like android before.
Mar 08 23:22:55 <TacticalJoke> Okay, that sounds good.
Mar 08 23:23:27 <TacticalJoke> I'm just starting on Android right now.
Mar 08 23:23:31 <TacticalJoke> It's kinda fun.  It has weird parts.
Mar 08 23:23:48 <TacticalJoke> Almost all of my programming experience is with Windows.
Mar 08 23:24:14 <TacticalJoke> A touch-screen OS running on small devices makes for a different programmer experience, I guess.
Mar 08 23:24:44 <TacticalJoke> Like, Android sometimes essentially closes your app when it's running in the background, and you have to handle the reopening.
Mar 08 23:24:48 <TacticalJoke> That's a weird one for me.  lol
Mar 08 23:25:41 <RedEyedGirl> that's not cool. Lol.
Mar 08 23:25:50 <RedEyedGirl> Is there a way to keep an app running indefinitely unless the user closes it
Mar 08 23:25:56 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I just reproduced my bug.  onAttach() was called right before getActivity() returned null.
Mar 08 23:25:59 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  No.  lol
Mar 08 23:26:02 <TacticalJoke> Android reclaims the memory.
Mar 08 23:26:10 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  It's not necessarily bad in practice.
Mar 08 23:26:39 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  In the cases I'm talking about, the app is basically suspended.
Mar 08 23:26:45 <TacticalJoke> Not closed as if the user closed it.
Mar 08 23:29:28 <RedEyedGirl> Oh I see.
Mar 08 23:29:29 <RedEyedGirl> Suspended.
Mar 08 23:29:37 <RedEyedGirl> So what if I wanted to have an app that had an always connected..
Mar 08 23:29:48 <RedEyedGirl> stream of data
Mar 08 23:30:03 <RedEyedGirl> is there support for something like that even if the app is suspended?
Mar 08 23:31:04 <TacticalJoke> That's one thing I don't know just yet.
Mar 08 23:31:15 <TacticalJoke> I haven't looked far enough in that direction.  lol
Mar 08 23:31:47 <TacticalJoke> I've never really tried running something like an IRC client and keeping it open in the background (perhaps while the screen is off).
Mar 08 23:36:18 <RedEyedGirl> I notice that if I close alot of apps on my tablet it starts to run way faster( even the menus)
Mar 08 23:36:31 <RedEyedGirl> does the android interface use some kind of adaptive memory allocation?
Mar 08 23:36:55 <RedEyedGirl> or is it just that there are less apps taking up CPU time?
Mar 08 23:37:47 <gillette> Is there a way to prevent people with to small screens to install my app in the same manner as there is to prevent people with to low verions of Android? my game just wont fit very well to small screens so i wont even make it for smaller than 4". Can I set that or I have to check it once the app is installed and then display an error message?
Mar 08 23:38:39 <RedEyedGirl> hey gilette what kinda game are you making
Mar 08 23:40:08 <gillette> RedEyedGirl: roll a ball through a maze by tilting your phone. it is almost finished.
Mar 08 23:40:19 <jacoplane> gillette: like this? http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/supports-screens-element.html
Mar 08 23:40:40 <gillette> RedEyedGirl: it would be fairly easy to make a SIMPLE 2d sidescroller if you already know how to program well.
Mar 08 23:44:30 <gillette> jacoplane: ah thanks! thats goes into the manifest i suppose?
Mar 08 23:45:59 <jacoplane> gillette: yes
Mar 08 23:46:09 <RedEyedGirl> Gillette how hard is it to load sprite sheets or large scrolling backgrounds and have images scroll in a game on android?
Mar 08 23:46:38 <TacticalJoke> Okay, this is crazy.
Mar 08 23:46:45 <TacticalJoke> I'm getting another exception in the emulator.
Mar 08 23:46:50 <TacticalJoke> No way this is my code's fault.
Mar 08 23:47:06 <TacticalJoke> I think the emulator has race conditions or something.
Mar 08 23:47:14 <TacticalJoke> The emulator is trying to delete items in a list twice.  It's weird.
Mar 08 23:49:02 <TacticalJoke> When the user taps one of the items in the list view, a context menu appears.
Mar 08 23:49:05 <TacticalJoke> Lets them delete the item.
Mar 08 23:49:11 <gillette> is it also possible to set something like <requires="accelerometer">  for the application? or sensors has to be checked dynamically when app is already installed?
Mar 08 23:49:15 <TacticalJoke> The emulator is bringing up the context menu when there are no items in the list!
Mar 08 23:49:25 <TacticalJoke> If I press the Enter key quickly.
Mar 08 23:51:06 <gillette> redeyedgirl: i cant answer that exactly. but there are 2d game engines out there that handle a lot for you. dont know how hard to make something your self. But it is easy to load a bitmap and move it on the screen. scrolling bitmaps i dont know
Mar 08 23:51:15 <jacoplane> gillette: yes, again in the manifest, add uses-feature and then set required to true: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-element.html
Mar 08 23:59:45 <LoneSoldier728> can you detect when someone closes your app?
Mar 08 23:59:55 <LoneSoldier728> like I know there is onPause and Resume
Mar 09 00:00:39 <LoneSoldier728> but is there a way to tell that a whole app is onPause (so I can send an update to my servers with the users info stored in sqlite?) or how should that be handled without making constant requests for every action users make
Mar 09 00:02:51 <gillette>  maximum "smallest screen width", that confuses me totally?
Mar 09 00:03:19 <LoneSoldier728> what do you mean, it is saying the smallest possible
Mar 09 00:07:53 <DanielRHarris> Hi, I'm getting a "android.view.ViewRootImpl$CalledFromWrongThreadException: Only the original thread that created a view hierarchy can touch its views." error, and i had a question concering it. I end up setting data in hashmap from an async task, then at the end of the async task i call a function that utilizes the hashmap. Is this where the problem is?
Mar 09 00:08:07 <immibis> yes
Mar 09 00:08:18 <immibis> AsyncTasks run in different threads, which is their whole point
Mar 09 00:08:57 <immibis> doInBackground runs on a separate thread from everything else, then after it finishes, onPostExecute runs on the UI thread
Mar 09 00:09:14 <immibis> so do whatever you're doing in onPostExecute instead of doInBackground
Mar 09 00:09:21 <DanielRHarris> Ah ok, thanks!
Mar 09 00:10:28 <DanielRHarris> sorry, somewhat new to the whole java scene. How would one pass a variable from the async task to onPostExecute?
Mar 09 00:10:45 <DanielRHarris> return it?
Mar 09 00:10:51 <DanielRHarris> and thats all?
Mar 09 00:11:09 <gillette> I thought using android:smallScreens=["true" | "false"]                   android:normalScreens=["true" | "false"]                  android:largeScreens=["true" | "false"]                  android:xlargeScreens=["true" | "false"]
Mar 09 00:11:41 <gillette> would prevent the app from being installed? i just want to test that setting these things have the effect i want but it installs and then it crashes later in the game...
Mar 09 00:13:16 <TacticalJoke> DanielRHarris:  You can just return it, I think.
Mar 09 00:13:20 <LoneSoldier728> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22276802/when-should-you-be-making-a-server-request-vs-storing-it-in-a-db-android
Mar 09 00:13:25 <TacticalJoke> Whatever you return is passed to onPostExecute, as far as I can see.
Mar 09 00:13:46 <LoneSoldier728> hey so if anyone has advice on my question there, i added 3 possible options of what I can do... but not sure what is best?
Mar 09 00:23:27 <RetroDude> Hey experienced programmers, I'm a newbie java programmer have a quick question about touch screen controls in a game
Mar 09 00:23:32 <RetroDude> if (inBounds(event, 65, 285, 65, 65)) {
Mar 09 00:23:32 <RetroDude> 					// Move up
Mar 09 00:23:32 <RetroDude> 					robot.moveUp();
Mar 09 00:23:32 <RetroDude> 					robot.setMovingUp(true);
Mar 09 00:23:32 <RetroDude> 				}
Mar 09 00:23:50 <RetroDude> I'm using that currently which works fine for moving (in this case "up
Mar 09 00:24:32 <RetroDude> but it will continie to move up dispite moving my finger to another location.  It's only after I release my finger from the screen that it stops.  How do I make it so it stops if my finger moves outside that "up" range?
Mar 09 00:26:49 <DanielRHarris> Attempting to get this adapter setting to work... but it wont budge. Anyone know what's wrong? I'm feeding it all the right data, and the view is set up fine - http://pastebin.com/tgQRnS1q
Mar 09 00:29:50 <thammond> Does anyone have any recommendations for running parallel AsyncTasks? I'm trying to send a survey response choice back to my rails server via an AsyncTask. It works great for single select questions but only executes once for multiple choice questions. I thought I could just loop through each checkbox and if that checkbox is selected send that choice to the server via the AsyncTask but it...
Mar 09 00:29:51 <thammond> ...only seems to execute the first time. My code is here - https://gist.github.com/guitarlover52/699b7ccc499260853e2a
Mar 09 00:30:17 <b0br> yo all
Mar 09 00:31:08 <RedEyedGirl> brb
Mar 09 00:32:13 <gillette> magnetic_field, which sensor is that?
Mar 09 00:37:19 <DanielRHarris> Does anyone have any idea as to why this two line ListView isn't working? passing along all the right data....http://pastebin.com/tgQRnS1q
Mar 09 00:37:45 <RetroDude> seems like a lot of people posting questions and no answers... lol.
Mar 09 00:39:31 <TacticalJoke> Why are you passing null to setAdapter?
Mar 09 00:40:36 <DanielRHarris> I want to clear what's inside before i set it again
Mar 09 00:41:00 <TacticalJoke> Passing null doesn't clear anything.
Mar 09 00:41:19 <DanielRHarris> hmm read somewhere that it does... well... even if i remove it, still doesnt work
Mar 09 00:42:18 <TacticalJoke> Oh, sorry, it probably does.  But what I meant was that it seems pointless to call setAdapter(null) and then setAdapter(something).
Mar 09 00:42:30 <TacticalJoke> Also, wouldn't you use adapter.clear() rather than setAdapter(null)?
Mar 09 00:43:31 <DanielRHarris> Your right that probably would work better... What im trying to do is populate the listview with the hashmap i have, then if something changes, clear it, and reset it from the hashmap
Mar 09 00:44:32 <DanielRHarris> Unless im totally misunderstanding something and there is a better way to do thiss...
Mar 09 00:44:45 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure; sorry.
Mar 09 00:44:55 <TacticalJoke> I just saw the setAdapter(null) thing.  :)
Mar 09 00:46:26 <DanielRHarris> Can't get it to display anything in the listview, and its not throwing any errors. Irritating thing =P
Mar 09 00:57:48 <frankdrey> how would i specifiy multiple MIME types for a contacts provider selection?
Mar 09 00:58:38 <DanielRHarris> Ok now i finally got them to start appearing... the listview entry is obviously there and clickable... but with no text... any ideas?
Mar 09 00:59:36 <SimonVT> The keys you pass to the adapter are wrong?
Mar 09 01:00:52 <DanielRHarris> im passing data as the hashmap, thats right... and new String[] {"title", "message" } - thats right,,,
Mar 09 01:02:03 <frankdrey> https://developer.android.com/training/contacts-provider/retrieve-names.html#SpecificCriteria
Mar 09 01:03:02 <frankdrey> do i write an array like ['mimetype1', 'mimetype2'] or what?
Mar 09 01:03:07 <frankdrey> is it even possible?
Mar 09 01:12:07 <frankdrey> I give up, I'll just do two queries :P
Mar 09 01:14:02 <frankdrey> hmmm
Mar 09 01:14:06 <frankdrey> maybe an OR
Mar 09 01:14:27 <frankdrey> can you group pieces of a selection string with parentheses or something?
Mar 09 01:15:14 <brx_> frankdrey, use AND
Mar 09 01:15:28 <brx_> you pass the values to the second to last parameter, a string[]
Mar 09 01:15:58 <frankdrey> well yeah...so...
Mar 09 01:16:07 <frankdrey> i'm already doing an AND
Mar 09 01:16:20 <frankdrey> 1 & 2
Mar 09 01:16:37 <frankdrey> erm...i'm not explaining myself well
Mar 09 01:16:50 <brx_> pastebin.com
Mar 09 01:16:54 <frankdrey> basically how would I format 1 & (2 or 3)
Mar 09 01:18:09 <brx_> oh, not sure about that
Mar 09 01:20:21 <frankdrey> wait, aren't these sql format or something?
Mar 09 01:20:25 * frankdrey looks up sql format
Mar 09 01:22:10 <frankdrey> parentheses!
Mar 09 01:26:44 <frankdrey> that's one ugly string :P
Mar 09 01:32:30 <androidnewb> Hi, Im trying to build a Social Networking App using Parse.com and Android, is this posible?
Mar 09 01:38:10 <StriderZ> Their website makes it seem quite possible.
Mar 09 01:42:10 <Radium> hey has anyone heard of the heads up charades game?
Mar 09 01:42:23 <Radium> how would i implement that kindof tilt detection?
Mar 09 01:42:40 <Radium> is it fairly simple? is it native or will I have to make something?
Mar 09 01:45:54 <DanielRHarris> My ListView refuses to display any data (the boxes are there, just no text), anyone know why this might be? -http://pastebin.com/GhRV52CV
Mar 09 01:54:58 <DanielRHarris> My ListView refuses to display any data (the boxes are there, just no text), anyone know why this might be? -http://pastebin.com/GhRV52CV
Mar 09 01:59:12 <TacticalJoke> Is Robotium basically required for Android testing?
Mar 09 01:59:20 <TacticalJoke> I've started trying to do Android testing tonight, and I can't figure out a thing.
Mar 09 02:05:01 <b0t> help me, please :(
Mar 09 02:05:20 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): FATAL EXCEPTION: main
Mar 09 02:05:20 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{org.yaaic/org.yaaic.activity.LoginActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Mar 09 02:08:08 <skinkitten> Hey I am having a bit of trouble with AlarmManagers and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.
Mar 09 02:08:08 <skinkitten> I have a class MainActivity which extends activity and GetZmanimMap which extends AsyncTask. Inside MainActivity I have a method getZmanim() which runs GetZmanimMap.execute() and then does a few stuff to update list data. How do I make an alarm so that getZmanim() will run every day as early as possible after 12AM. Zmanim change based on day so I only need to update it once per day but the earlier the better. Do I need to mak
Mar 09 02:08:09 <skinkitten> e a new class that extends BroadcastReceiver? If so how do I get that class to call the getZmanim() method from MainActivity?
Mar 09 02:08:10 <skinkitten> Hope somebody could help me out :-)
Mar 09 02:09:22 <RedEyedGirl> ok the eclipse program is saying there's no java environment..
Mar 09 02:09:56 <b0t> pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Mar 09 02:16:08 <TacticalJoke> RedEyedGirl:  You need to download the JDK.
Mar 09 02:16:51 <skinkitten> anyone?
Mar 09 02:17:01 <leslie> what's the best way of configuring APK signing in Gradle without having to commit the keystore password to git along with the build script?
Mar 09 02:17:03 <skinkitten> I want a method to be called everyday after 12
Mar 09 02:17:04 <RedEyedGirl> I downloaded the fully integrated ADT it
Mar 09 02:17:49 <RedEyedGirl> including a version of the Eclipse IDE with built-in ADT (Android Developer Tools)
Mar 09 02:19:08 <linq> I'm just getting started with android development, and I'm wondering if there's a streamlined way of building an apk, pushing the apk to device, and running directly on the device in one step
Mar 09 02:20:45 <Leeds> linq: what build environment are you using?
Mar 09 02:21:23 <b0t> hhhhheeeelelelelleleepp
Mar 09 02:23:26 <Leeds> b0t: still reveling in your insanity?
Mar 09 02:23:41 <b0t> :(
Mar 09 02:23:58 <b0t> only one error
Mar 09 02:23:59 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{org.yaaic/org.yaaic.activity.LoginActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Mar 09 02:24:46 <b0t> .c
Mar 09 02:25:08 <Leeds> are you working with the java source yet?
Mar 09 02:26:06 <b0t> nope, smali
Mar 09 02:26:51 <Leeds> so the insanity continues
Mar 09 02:27:11 <b0t> i dont know java men...
Mar 09 02:27:35 <b0t> lol
Mar 09 02:28:02 <b0t> tell me that this error may be due
Mar 09 02:28:05 <b0t> please
Mar 09 02:28:15 <b0t> roidRuntime(11670): FATAL EXCEPTION: main
Mar 09 02:28:15 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{org.yaaic/org.yaaic.activity.LoginActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Mar 09 02:28:15 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): 	at android.app.ActivityThread.performLaunchActivity(ActivityThread.java:1956)
Mar 09 02:28:35 <samuel> hello guys
Mar 09 02:28:41 <linq> Leeds: Android Studio on Linux
Mar 09 02:29:08 <samuel> what is the best way to support multiple screens? use an SVG lib or include multiple backgrounds?
Mar 09 02:34:50 <immibis> b0t: look for "caused by"
Mar 09 02:35:15 <b0t> that does not appear in my log
Mar 09 02:35:32 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): in writeCrashedAppName, pkgName :org.yaaic
Mar 09 02:35:49 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): FATAL EXCEPTION: main
Mar 09 02:35:57 <b0t> 03-08 23:01:51.500: E/AndroidRuntime(11670): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{org.yaaic/org.yaaic.activity.LoginActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Mar 09 02:38:49 <niop> hi, facing the dilemma as a very green web developer, whether to write android/iphone app as web app, hybrid, or native.  the app is quite simple but it does require push notification.  i'd like to do web app, because it would do both platforms, handle easier extension later, and would provide familiarity with net technologies.  any tips here?
Mar 09 02:40:29 <samuel> AFAIK there is no way to do push in Android without a native app
Mar 09 02:40:43 <niop> yeah, that's what i heard
Mar 09 02:40:48 <niop> but apparently maybe not
Mar 09 02:41:03 <niop> eg http://roost.me/
Mar 09 02:41:11 <niop> or https://pushover.net/
Mar 09 02:41:26 <samuel> you could use those services
Mar 09 02:41:40 <samuel> but that would require your users having pushover or whatever
Mar 09 02:41:45 <samuel> installed in their phones
Mar 09 02:42:00 <niop> ah.. that's a bummer
Mar 09 02:42:27 <niop> what about hybrid then.. for any push stuff, invoke native wrapper? i believe communication with wrapper is possible
Mar 09 02:42:44 <samuel> probably easy to do
Mar 09 02:43:01 <samuel> you could write you Android app as basically just an HTML wrapper
Mar 09 02:43:27 <samuel> and have some sort of API to push
Mar 09 02:43:38 <samuel> but Android can kill apps automatically
Mar 09 02:43:42 <niop> ok, forgive my lack of expertise here.. but html wrapper here is a hybrid app?
Mar 09 02:43:50 <b0t> .c
Mar 09 02:44:10 <niop> .c?
Mar 09 02:44:31 <niop> a c wrapper
Mar 09 02:45:01 <niop> android could kill the api
Mar 09 02:45:18 <niop> that wouldn't be much good. it needs to be fairly bullet proof.
Mar 09 02:45:20 <samuel> it can kill it automatically if the phone lacks memory
Mar 09 02:45:25 <niop> wow
Mar 09 02:45:36 <niop> that would really suck as a user experience i'd imagine
Mar 09 02:45:36 <samuel> you would have to have it running all the time
Mar 09 02:45:50 <samuel> with some sort of notification icon
Mar 09 02:46:24 <samuel> what are you using for your web app?
Mar 09 02:46:27 <niop> not sure what you're referring to there.. but it sounds a bit dicey
Mar 09 02:46:31 <samuel> your best bet might be App Engine
Mar 09 02:46:36 <samuel> and then GCM
Mar 09 02:46:39 <samuel> http://developer.android.com/google/gcm/index.html
Mar 09 02:46:45 <niop> god, i wish i knew.. just entered the web dev space, and it's chaos.
Mar 09 02:46:50 <samuel> make a simple android app
Mar 09 02:47:02 <samuel> and write your web app on App Engine
Mar 09 02:47:31 <immibis> niop: visible apps have the highest priority, they won't be killed until the phone is really low on memory. that's why it's not a sucky user experience
Mar 09 02:47:45 <samuel> allows you to send push notifications to Android and iOS
Mar 09 02:47:55 <samuel> https://cloud.google.com/developers/articles/ios-push-notifications
Mar 09 02:47:58 <niop> but that's essentially native right?
Mar 09 02:48:14 <niop> but in a common language, python. or.. something else
Mar 09 02:48:19 <samuel> python
Mar 09 02:48:20 <samuel> php
Mar 09 02:48:24 <samuel> go
Mar 09 02:48:26 <samuel> java
Mar 09 02:48:30 <samuel> I use python
Mar 09 02:48:59 <samuel> but TBH I have never tried to do push notifications
Mar 09 02:49:35 <samuel> if you are just learning go with Java
Mar 09 02:49:46 <samuel> lets you do App Engine and Android
Mar 09 02:49:50 <niop> actually i'm really certain what they are even..  but the notifications on the phone that appear on the screen. i've got a windows phone.. it has status updates in boxes.. i guess thats' push.
Mar 09 02:50:15 <niop> ridiculous being in such a state of ignorance..  but necessity is the mother of invention.
Mar 09 02:50:20 <samuel> what do you mean by "push"
Mar 09 02:50:21 <samuel> ?
Mar 09 02:50:25 <niop> notification
Mar 09 02:50:39 <samuel> explain
Mar 09 02:50:46 <niop> prefer python.. past java.. although i believe it still exists.
Mar 09 02:51:19 <niop> dear.. dont ask me to do that.  well.. it's probably better i read up something on push notification before making a fool of myself.
Mar 09 02:51:42 <samuel> sorry but its hard to help if you cant explain what you want
Mar 09 02:52:17 <niop> cordova, which seems to provide access to native functions, doesnt allow push? there's no mention of the word on the main page i notice.
Mar 09 02:52:19 <niop> https://cordova.apache.org/
Mar 09 02:53:01 <samuel> cordova is not ready yet
Mar 09 02:53:10 <samuel> might not be the best idea to use it
Mar 09 02:53:17 <samuel> but if you wish... https://github.com/phonegap-build/PushPlugin
Mar 09 02:53:41 <BigBawb> Hello there, I made an application for android. I was wondering where I would set the image for the application when installed on a device?
Mar 09 02:53:47 <frankdrey> GCM notifications can do many different things
Mar 09 02:53:51 <niop> just saying i'm not exactly certain of what push notification technology is. even though i probably have it on my phone.  and i'd best look it up
Mar 09 02:54:14 <samuel> first figure out what you want
Mar 09 02:54:18 <frankdrey> they just call a broadcast receiver that does whatever you code it to
Mar 09 02:54:19 <rohan> hi. i have gson in my build.gradle as <<compile 'com.google.code.gson:gson:2.2.4'>> .. yet i can't resolve "gson.toJSON()"
Mar 09 02:54:53 <niop> samuel:  you're pointing to solutions for push in a web app.. but they're not ready?
Mar 09 02:54:59 <notbryan_> BigBawb: you would do that in the Manifest file, using android:icon in the 'application' tag
Mar 09 02:55:04 <niop> samuel: *push notification
Mar 09 02:55:14 <samuel> niop: cordova is just a preview
Mar 09 02:55:24 <samuel> but it works
Mar 09 02:55:36 <notbryan_> niop: "push" just means that the server is the one that is initiating the transaction instead of the client requesting it
Mar 09 02:55:46 <niop> frankdrey: ok ta.. gcm is a nice acronym to chase up.
Mar 09 02:55:57 <niop> ic
Mar 09 02:56:05 <niop> sounds useful
Mar 09 02:56:27 <niop> there's a lot to know in this area it appears.
Mar 09 02:56:41 <niop> not that that is in itself. but there's lots of other stuff. like...
Mar 09 02:56:48 <frankdrey> google cloud messaging
Mar 09 02:56:50 <niop> any comments on all this: http://todomvc.com/
Mar 09 02:57:16 <samuel> nice
Mar 09 02:57:22 <samuel> i did not know it existed
Mar 09 02:57:36 <notbryan_> wow, that is a lot of JS
Mar 09 02:57:47 <niop> samuel:  ok.. well, that's a very useful heads up.  nothing worse than investing trust only having to backtrack after having spent lots of coding hours.
Mar 09 02:58:01 <niop> yeah, it is
Mar 09 02:58:19 <samuel> you still learn even if you have to backtrack
Mar 09 02:58:47 <niop> yeah sure.. but sometimes i'd be just happy with pure productivity
Mar 09 02:59:00 <samuel> fair enough
Mar 09 02:59:04 <niop> tinkering can be nice though
Mar 09 02:59:34 <niop> so.. all those frameworks.. they're alternatives to google app engine?
Mar 09 02:59:45 <niop> more browser based i guess, being javascript
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