**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 13 02:59:58 2014 Mar 13 03:08:20 hell if JakeWharton doesn't use fragments why should I ;) Mar 13 03:08:57 gordon_: v13 is the same as v4 Mar 13 03:09:04 we don't need no stinkin fragments Mar 13 03:09:04 It just adds two classes Mar 13 03:09:13 Agree! Mar 13 03:09:24 What do you use other than fragments? Mar 13 03:09:44 views and layouts Mar 13 03:11:18 What about the retain-instance stuff? Mar 13 03:12:11 I also implemented my own action bar instead of using one off the shelf Mar 13 03:14:09 TacticalJoke: it's not that hard to save the minimum you need in your own backstack Mar 13 03:14:16 JakeWharton: I was thinking: couldn't you run JUnit at the command line? Mar 13 03:14:27 If it's hard to get set up in Android Studio. Mar 13 03:14:43 shmooz: Okay, but I was thinking of network connections and so on. Mar 13 03:14:52 I guess it depends on the app. Mar 13 03:14:54 just keep state Mar 13 03:15:10 unless it needs to change Mar 13 03:15:14 Don't network connections drop without setRetainInstance()? Mar 13 03:15:32 no Mar 13 03:15:38 don't think so Mar 13 03:16:07 I can continue streaming remote video with my app Mar 13 03:16:16 That's just a stupid hack for an activity's non-configuration instance state. Mar 13 03:16:33 I thought Google recommended Fragments and setRetainInstance. Hmm. Mar 13 03:16:40 Views + backstack yourself FTW Mar 13 03:16:58 Note that I am making the simplest Android apps. lol Mar 13 03:17:10 Y'all might be thinking on a different level. Mar 13 03:17:18 My next app will be a basic Reddit client. Mar 13 03:17:39 my next app will kill FlipBoard ;) Mar 13 03:17:39 I was planning to make everything in fragments. Mar 13 03:17:47 Will it kill Newsstand? Mar 13 03:18:11 not sure but FlipBoard lacks a lot of features Mar 13 03:18:23 I just couldn't get into FlipBoard, personally. Mar 13 03:18:27 I hated the up/down thing. Mar 13 03:18:29 And the animation. Mar 13 03:18:36 you mean the page flipping Mar 13 03:18:42 Yeah. Mar 13 03:18:58 yeah mine will make that optional so you can scroll up and down instead if you wnat Mar 13 03:18:59 want Mar 13 03:19:06 Cool. Mar 13 03:19:16 Should I use fragments for a simple Reddit client? Mar 13 03:19:22 and let you set background foreground colors Mar 13 03:19:27 Of course, I'm interested in the tablet UI looking good. Mar 13 03:19:54 and let you tap the titles that are flashing on the front page so you can jump straight to them, (which Flipboard doesn't do) Mar 13 03:26:06 I think my Reddit client should be 4.x. Mar 13 03:26:19 By the time I release it, Gingerbread's market share will probably be about 1%. lol Mar 13 03:26:22 if you made a reddit client i'd use it Mar 13 03:26:50 Same here. I've not found one I like much. Mar 13 03:26:56 RedReader is nice, but it lacks basic features. Mar 13 03:26:58 Most have annoying ads. Mar 13 03:27:23 Most have obnoxious features (e.g., an image viewer that overlays some other screen, rather than being full screen itself). Mar 13 03:27:24 'reddit is fun' is ok-ish, it just has some odd behaviours that i'm not fond of Mar 13 03:27:58 The main thing I'm unsure about is how to make it look good on a tablet. Mar 13 03:28:02 I don't own one. :/ Mar 13 03:28:06 I guess I should buy one. Mar 13 03:28:20 the emulator should be fine... i'll help you test if you want :) Mar 13 03:28:30 :) Mar 13 03:28:52 usually when you hold it in landscape there is horizontal space to show another view beside lets say a list of items for example Mar 13 03:28:58 Yeah. Mar 13 03:29:15 Subreddits in a small view on the left; main content on the right. Mar 13 03:29:20 so the description for the items would be on the right side in tablet mode but not on phone Mar 13 03:29:57 On the phone, I'll have to do navigation drawers on one visible fragment at a time or something. Mar 13 03:30:28 I'm thinking the latter is nicer. I don't like navigation drawers for something like this. Mar 13 03:30:37 They're too menu-y. Mar 13 03:31:05 if i have a service exported=false, should i still be able to 'adb shell run-as me am startservice me -a …. ? Mar 13 03:31:23 * g00s can't get it to work Mar 13 03:33:53 yeah it doesn't look like i can run 2+ Asynctask at the same time Mar 13 03:34:10 even if they are executed in different services :S Mar 13 03:35:08 bluezone you never heard of asynctask Mar 13 03:35:11 * g00s waves hand Mar 13 03:35:25 lol Mar 13 03:36:22 what else can i use then? i'm a total noob at running on other threads, asynctask made it easy :( Mar 13 03:36:49 bluezone try using rxjava Mar 13 03:38:18 bbiab Mar 13 03:49:58 bluezone: also, check how the executors got assigned etc. Mar 13 03:50:22 the default executor since some version of android executes all incoming asynctasks *serially*, not in parallel Mar 13 04:02:07 * bluezone is going to ragequit Mar 13 04:02:34 all i had to do was just use the Thread class Mar 13 04:03:03 instead of this nonsense asynctask Mar 13 04:03:11 bluezone, http://commonsware.com/blog/2012/04/20/asynctask-threading-regression-confirmed.html Mar 13 04:03:49 I have a dumb question Mar 13 04:04:01 why include a line like "if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT>=Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB)" Mar 13 04:04:13 if Build.VERSION_CODES.HONEYCOMB isn't defined on versions earlier than Honeycomb? Mar 13 04:04:16 alex_PP, lmao Mar 13 04:04:55 so at least it wasn't me who was at fault Mar 13 04:05:50 notbryant, it'll be the raw value of that constant in the compiled file Mar 13 04:05:51 notbryant: it simply won't execute the code for the earlier versions whether they recognice the tag or not Mar 13 04:06:01 *recognize Mar 13 04:06:16 alex_PP: wait, really? Mar 13 04:06:28 I guess my understanding of Java is just flawed then Mar 13 04:06:43 only for static final stuff Mar 13 04:08:05 notbryant, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5173372/java-static-final-values-replaced-in-code-when-compiling Mar 13 04:08:22 eclipse warns you about this if you do a references search on a constant Mar 13 04:09:45 oh, ok. so it's like #DEFINE in C++. You learn something new every day! Mar 13 04:09:55 yeah Mar 13 04:35:26 sup guys Mar 13 04:35:51 can and if so ,how do i start an intent without extending acitivity Mar 13 04:36:00 Intent enableBtIntent = new Intent(BluetoothAdapter.ACTION_REQUEST_ENABLE); startActivityForResult(enableBtIntent, REQUEST_ENABLE_BT); Mar 13 04:36:18 i am trying to write the bt class as agnostic as possible Mar 13 04:37:09 jareddlc you need a context Mar 13 04:37:38 g00s: i can send it this from my acitivy then ? Mar 13 04:37:41 is this bad practice? Mar 13 04:38:47 don't leak it Mar 13 04:38:56 for starting an activity, its ok Mar 13 04:39:14 well i have main Mar 13 04:39:20 i only plan to have 1 window probably Mar 13 04:39:37 Activity_main creates an instance bot Bt() Mar 13 04:39:49 i want to bt module to be able to turn off/on bt Mar 13 04:40:08 passing new Bt(this) how would it cause a leak? Mar 13 04:40:48 or should i do something where i emit a local broadcast Mar 13 04:40:57 and turn it on in the main activity? Mar 13 04:44:26 i have all my BT code in a service; there really is no use for it in an activity Mar 13 04:44:56 sure, the activity can say (is BluetoothAdapter.isEnabled() == false() { … ask user to enable } Mar 13 04:46:03 i want to write a service Mar 13 04:46:14 but in my service im thinking of just using the bt class Mar 13 04:50:23 hey g00s i;ll post my code after im done with the project Mar 13 04:50:27 so u can laugh at it :D Mar 13 04:52:44 jareddlc i think you told me, or i have you confused with woozly Mar 13 04:52:59 nope Mar 13 04:53:01 were you using ble or rfcomm, and what were you connecting to Mar 13 04:53:26 somebody was connecting to a game controller Mar 13 04:56:22 rfcomm Mar 13 04:56:42 ble, low energy? Mar 13 04:56:59 ugh i need a UI designer Mar 13 04:58:08 im guessing mBluetoothAdapter.enable(); is very bad? Mar 13 04:59:18 becaseu that solves all my problems Mar 13 05:00:01 its says under note" Bluetooth should never be enabled without direct user consent" Mar 13 05:00:10 what if my button is a switch that says bluetooth Mar 13 05:00:19 would u consider that user consent? Mar 13 05:02:09 anyone? Mar 13 05:22:50 life ? :) Mar 13 06:18:38 I'm having trouble modularizing my classes following the directions on the SIP developers description at: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/sip.html a lot of stuff has to do with using a SipManager object, but after login is when the calls are placed... so how do I maintain and manage those Mar 13 06:18:52 sipmanager and other objects? Mar 13 06:19:00 in android how do I make those objects final? Mar 13 06:19:55 wait... that wasn't what I wanted to ask Mar 13 06:31:26 Hi i would like to know if v3 of the in app billing api Google Play returns signed static responses in any case. According to http://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/billing_testing.html#billing-testing-static signed responses will be delivered when the app is published and signed with the release keystore Mar 13 06:31:44 but i still dont get the signature when using android.test.purchased SKU Mar 13 06:49:04 lol anyone? Mar 13 06:53:11 lol creativepsyco Mar 13 06:53:55 yeah i ended up waiting for 2 hours to get the signed response from a real purchase Mar 13 06:54:29 coz in any of the listed cases on the documentation site i was not able to get signed static response Mar 13 06:58:17 ok, i guess Mar 13 07:05:30 heh, this is funny. i'll join arnold in LA so we can ride in the tank and crush things ! Mar 13 07:05:42 first up, my droid-1 Mar 13 07:17:51 g00s: http://www.driveatank.com/packages/ Mar 13 07:19:01 JesusFreke :D http://digg.com/video/schwarzenegger-bought-a-tank-so-he-could-run-sh-t-over Mar 13 07:20:37 "saved all of my birthday cakes … why? so i can crush them!" Mar 13 07:22:23 never heard of omaze before, pretty cool idea http://www.omaze.com/experiences/arnold-schwarzenegger Mar 13 07:22:57 so i guess this is for supporting various causes Mar 13 07:36:32 cideroxylon, hi Mar 13 07:37:28 morning g00s Mar 13 07:37:38 good morning lemonxah Mar 13 07:53:48 [1] search for usb device, if found request permission to communicate. if not found show "no device found" , "BUTTON: try again OR exit", if "try again" is clicked goto[1] if "exit" simply finish(). instead of a loop with boolean checking, i want to make it interrupt based. anyone know how? Mar 13 08:08:55 wasn't there once.. http://android.kernel.org/ ? Mar 13 08:09:31 ah okay, got it :/ Mar 13 08:09:35 just google 'get android source' Mar 13 08:15:18 http://pastebin.com/9R4L2xpX uggg help? Basically this image is supposed to "blink" (think a fluorescent light blinking before it turns on... If i remove the last two animations (flashon1 and flashoff1) it will successfully blink once. But if I add them, the image just pops up and stays Mar 13 08:15:42 i suck at animations Mar 13 08:19:22 i also tried adding a for loop to do the dirty work, adding each animation before re-writing over the startOffset but it yielded the same results Mar 13 08:19:31 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18405757/how-do-i-manually-pause-an-activity-in-android and sleep for 100ms (because its the best reaction time of human, and assuming user is human :p ) http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080105162831AA4tL5e Mar 13 08:20:05 kuldeepdhaka: I cant pause the activity, its one animation of many occurring at the same time Mar 13 08:22:41 JesperHead, sorry idk (newbie) :) Mar 13 08:22:51 thank you anyways Mar 13 08:28:35 kuldeepdhaka, uh... can you explain more what are you trying to do? Mar 13 08:28:40 blocking back button is terrible UX Mar 13 08:28:56 Mavrik: was trying to help me :) Mar 13 08:29:09 aw, crap. just installed git 1.9 and it crashes right away Mar 13 08:29:40 JesperHead, you should probably use the new AnimatorSet playTogether() and playSequental() stuff Mar 13 08:29:46 g00s: you know, I don't constantly upgrade my software... and my software isn't constantly crashing Mar 13 08:29:51 JesperHead, this is my own problem buddy :) Mar 13 08:29:54 Mavrik: *blink* Mar 13 08:29:58 Leeds 1.9 isn't new though Mar 13 08:30:03 kuldeepdhaka: so sorry Mar 13 08:30:07 i mean, like a few months ? Mar 13 08:30:09 I didn't say anything about new Mar 13 08:30:14 JesperHead, np :) Mar 13 08:30:31 Leeds, that's just boring Mar 13 08:30:38 working computers and phones... no adventure in that Mar 13 08:30:58 Mavrik: I'm old... can't be fucked with constantly breaking stuff for fun anymore Mar 13 08:31:10 meh Mar 13 08:31:17 sure you do, being old is a state of mind ;) Mar 13 08:31:39 what im trying to do is till some device is not found, or if found, request permission from user to access it. dont allow user to go further as my app is oriented toward usb device, even if it continue's NULL exception will be thrown and app will be killed Mar 13 08:32:22 "being old is a state of mind" is only valid as long as you dont feel the age ;) Mar 13 08:32:34 ššš. Mar 13 08:33:02 kuldeepdhaka, the thing is, you can't pause the main thread or the OS will kill your process Mar 13 08:33:02 the github guy that compiled the package messed up Mar 13 08:33:11 kuldeepdhaka, and people hate you because your app wil stutter Mar 13 08:33:27 kuldeepdhaka, you can disable buttons and then postDelayed runnable on a main thread handler to reenable them after 100ms Mar 13 08:33:59 hello folks Mar 13 08:34:24 Mavrik, thats what i concluded before (afai understand) Mar 13 08:35:30 what's on everyone's mind? Mar 13 08:36:09 Mavrik, disabling all button would be hard, instead just dont let them continue. if user assign the device to app nothing will appear to user and direct gui Mar 13 08:36:28 i keep having this nagging feeling, i should use hg anyway, but its too late Mar 13 08:36:36 nothing will appear to user = no try again box Mar 13 08:36:44 direct gui = the main control panel Mar 13 08:37:28 ^^ or simply saying: the control panel :p Mar 13 08:40:06 so, what are you guys talking about? Mar 13 08:41:07 Leeds for the android tooling, if you are using gradle / as you are pretty much committed to being on a constant update cycle Mar 13 08:41:20 until the have a dev release, or beta which is more stable Mar 13 08:41:33 always stuff broken … with the hope a new release will be better ;) Mar 13 08:42:43 I don't know what that is. I'm a bit amateur. Mar 13 08:44:24 uh fuck. timcharper only has one prior release up, and THAT is fucking broken too Mar 13 08:45:18 what's wrong with it? Mar 13 08:47:10 g00s, which OS are you on? Mar 13 08:47:19 Mavrik 10.7 Mar 13 08:47:43 it says snow leopard , so i should be OK Mar 13 08:50:09 so does anyone in here develop games for android? Mar 13 08:50:54 * gordon_ doesn't Mar 13 08:51:39 what does gordon_ develop? Mar 13 08:55:07 so, does anyone else have discomfort in the arms that feels like someone has been tugging down on their arms while sitting at the computer? Mar 13 08:56:09 Leeds the irony of the situation is, my stuff is so /old/ - from not updating, i ran into this Mar 13 08:56:56 hehehe, been a programmer for 25 years, I've gone through all feelings u can have, I'm certain :) Mar 13 08:57:44 it's very distracting. what kind of things do you program? Mar 13 08:58:10 I'd love to have that kind of experience under my belt. heck, I'd take 2 year of real programming experience. Mar 13 08:59:13 I program just about anything Mar 13 08:59:55 that's really cool. I'm personally trying to start a indie game company. I love programming, but it's not my life goal. Mar 13 09:00:10 worked on webbrowser for a decently known company for a few years, I once made a lot of hacks for xbox, I worked on prototypes for the army and NATO for a few years on single-chip computers Mar 13 09:00:39 then I got burned out and I've been a fireman for 8 years.... but I wanna program again :) Mar 13 09:00:47 that's really fancy. Mar 13 09:00:52 what's stopping you? Mar 13 09:01:04 nothing, I'm programming :) Mar 13 09:01:15 haha, well then, that's good. Mar 13 09:01:23 boredDev, just don't expect to become rich Mar 13 09:01:43 i know. I'd just like to be able to manage bills at this point. Mar 13 09:02:25 worked for a few game companies, not much to get there. Webbrowser was the big one salary-wise Mar 13 09:02:43 I'm not a greedy person. I'd like to make enough to live a decent life. I'd really like to develop a company to give people with limited opportunities to seek a dream job in game development a chance. Mar 13 09:05:04 I think it's actually rather humorous, I don't even enjoy playing games all that much anymore, but I do enjoy making them. Mar 13 09:05:25 I think programming for fun is the way to do it :) Mar 13 09:05:46 you can still fight fires :) Mar 13 09:05:58 * g00s is putting one out right now Mar 13 09:06:00 ofcourse ! where do u think I program lol Mar 13 09:06:09 haha. Mar 13 09:06:16 can't program at home, too much distractions Mar 13 09:06:32 I've been dealing with that issue. Mar 13 09:06:47 but how is the only place I have. Mar 13 09:07:58 Mavrik: I owe you a beer bud. AnimatorSet is precisely what I needed. Mar 13 09:09:09 I for one - will never work for a gaming company again :) it's the most rotten business I've ever dealt with Mar 13 09:09:24 TJ_CRS: depends on the company, no? Mar 13 09:09:40 why do you say it's rotten? Mar 13 09:10:00 well, true. I've worked for 3 so far, and they all ended up screwing me over Mar 13 09:10:40 hmm :( what did they do? Mar 13 09:12:00 different things, worst one was the game we made from a rather famous norwegian movie. The owners of the movie let us have shares instead of salary for quite a few months. a Week before reeleasing the product he put the company into bankrupcy and bought the rights to the game Mar 13 09:12:04 leaving us with nada Mar 13 09:12:31 he made millions Mar 13 09:12:39 boredDev,inspired by Dong Nguyen ?? Mar 13 09:12:48 O_O! Mar 13 09:13:01 I don't know who that is. Mar 13 09:13:40 TJ that's terrible. I wouldn't blame that on games though, I'd blame that on dirty greedy people. Mar 13 09:14:06 rak_ I don't know who that is. Mar 13 09:15:48 oh, that's the flappy bird dude. No, I've been seeking game development for years, but I'll admit that a recent game I did was based on the idea instilled by flappy bird that a game could be addicting if it were highly competitive, and unreasonably difficult. Mar 13 09:16:35 However, through the game development, my friends encouraged me to make it a little more reasonable. Mar 13 09:20:00 aw, all the talkers disappeared. :( Mar 13 09:20:16 they are probably programming or drinking beer Mar 13 09:20:28 does anyone no about viewpager? Mar 13 09:20:29 two things that should never be done at the same time ;) Mar 13 09:20:40 does anyone know about viewpager? Mar 13 09:21:07 I don't drink alcohol very often. Mar 13 09:21:35 abh I don't really know much about it. what's it for? Mar 13 09:21:37 u should, it's brilliant :D Mar 13 09:22:12 my body isn't very tolerant of alcohol. plus it tastes terrible most of the time. Mar 13 09:24:08 i have built chat application n m try to add emojicons and stickers.. i have added but problem is wen i click on image emojicons its perfect size and all but wen i click stickers its coming same size has emojicons Mar 13 09:24:34 i need to know how i can differniate b/w emojicons n stickers? Mar 13 09:25:05 that's sounds super interesting, but I don't think I could be very helpful. Mar 13 09:26:07 a boolean with an is getter? Mar 13 09:26:58 that was prolly a stupid response, but it's the best I've got. Mar 13 09:27:04 do you use github? Mar 13 09:27:10 boreddev thnx anyways..:) Mar 13 09:27:58 ya i use githhub but its not opensource.. Mar 13 09:28:58 ah, alright. you're prolly going to need to share some code to get help. that's why I was asking, I'm new to these chatrooms, but sending dozens of lines of code doesn't seem practical to do here. Mar 13 09:29:52 ok.. i ll send link of pastebin there u can c my code Mar 13 09:31:10 ok. Mar 13 09:32:02 oh, I forgot all about pastebin. I used to use that for minecraft. haha Mar 13 09:32:39 http://pastebin.com/HDHnD0Da Mar 13 09:33:26 http://pastebin.com/1vip58n8 Mar 13 09:33:53 heh:).. ok look into it.. if any suggestion let me know Mar 13 09:36:58 Mavrik still there ? Mar 13 09:43:49 abh where are you setting the size? Mar 13 09:45:18 g00s, m. Mar 13 09:53:01 Mavrik did we have a discussion about android & typography, kerning, etc ? Mar 13 09:53:15 umm, maybe Mar 13 09:53:21 don't remember anymore really :) Mar 13 09:53:36 this was a nice article today http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/03/12/taking-a-second-look-at-free-fonts/ Mar 13 10:04:46 boreddev in emojitextview file gettextsize() is thr rite.. it ll set size Mar 13 10:08:03 nope. just default. and you defined a set emojicon size Mar 13 10:09:36 but, where is the part responsible for getting the sticker or emojicon, and how are they different? Mar 13 10:09:43 forgot command to connect device Mar 13 10:09:47 cant find in google Mar 13 10:10:02 adb select device -s serial ? Mar 13 10:10:18 serial = adb devices Mar 13 10:12:09 wha tcomamnd ? Mar 13 10:12:12 what comamnd ? Mar 13 10:12:20 what command to connect device ? Mar 13 10:12:40 adb connect -s serial ? Mar 13 10:12:47 doieo, ? Mar 13 10:12:51 adb shell pm -s serial ? Mar 13 10:12:59 what are you trying to do? Mar 13 10:14:09 install all trash in SDcard Mar 13 10:14:23 adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2 Mar 13 10:14:36 but idiot adb cant select device first Mar 13 10:14:57 and no change in fone. no "move to SD card" disabled Mar 13 10:15:01 doieo, is this a programming related question or just android question? Mar 13 10:15:02 idiot google idiot Mar 13 10:15:19 this ? Mar 13 10:15:22 your question ? Mar 13 10:15:48 ok nvm .. this is not the correct forum for you to ask your question in please read the topic of this channel Mar 13 10:15:48 ur question is just some engrish sentence Mar 13 10:15:56 get lost lemonxah Mar 13 10:16:28 how about .. no Mar 13 10:16:30 kthnxbye Mar 13 10:16:46 you aren't being very doieo, no one is going to help you if you act like that. Mar 13 10:17:05 ack! aren't being very nice* Mar 13 10:17:18 how to select device S5630a730976 Mar 13 10:17:31 to bad irc cant sed Mar 13 10:17:41 s/very/very nice/ Mar 13 10:17:48 that would have been awesome Mar 13 10:17:55 lemonxah speak programming language or leave Mar 13 10:18:02 that would be cool. Mar 13 10:18:31 poor doieo, i have allready started that you are asking in the wrong forum Mar 13 10:18:39 stated** Mar 13 10:20:29 so what's up lemon? you're an android developer? Mar 13 10:20:33 goto forum.com fOoL Mar 13 10:20:37 yes i am Mar 13 10:20:38 tHiS fREE mIRC Mar 13 10:20:44 ? Mar 13 10:20:49 this no forum Mar 13 10:21:01 u in wrong internet Mar 13 10:21:05 omg .. do you even know what the word forum means? Mar 13 10:21:27 forum : a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. Mar 13 10:21:52 all xchange sLEEP hErE- Mar 13 10:21:56 wAtEvEr Mar 13 10:22:08 uSeLeSs dEAD cHaNeL Mar 13 10:22:12 anyway done arguing with incompetence Mar 13 10:22:20 oNLY 'RuLE B0ts' Mar 13 10:22:36 so this has been productive... Mar 13 10:22:38 haha Mar 13 10:22:43 !lemonxah forum rule Mar 13 10:23:00 boredDev, i am a developer on mxit (largest mobile social network) Mar 13 10:23:33 dont argue with idiots. it makes you look one. use "/ignore name". Mar 13 10:23:50 heh no that qoute should read Mar 13 10:24:05 dont argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience Mar 13 10:24:09 :P Mar 13 10:24:40 whatever. I know that quote. but thought I'd just make it more succinct. Ive a page of you trying to argue with an obvious troll. Mar 13 10:25:10 heh not arguing per say .. more entertaining myself during my lunch Mar 13 10:25:31 sometimes its fun fueling .. but only for a bit Mar 13 10:25:31 u dEVeLoP tRaSh . mIxiT lArGeSt TrASh nEtW0rK Mar 13 10:26:14 I'm not familiar with mxit Mar 13 10:26:29 yesterday it was b0t, was useless cretins Mar 13 10:26:30 yeah it started in 2005 on J2ME Mar 13 10:26:54 check out www.mxit.com if you are interested Mar 13 10:26:57 adb set device -s shell pm setInstallLocation 2 ? Mar 13 10:27:39 heh g00s Mar 13 10:27:49 lemonxah: What's the tech stack behind, if you're allowed to share that info? Mar 13 10:28:10 also i like his tenacity, insult the people i want to help me Mar 13 10:28:41 sensen, it used to be a smack stack and then it mutated and then we rolled our own to handle more concurrent connections Mar 13 10:28:44 lemonxah /ignore ! Mar 13 10:28:49 hmm. Ive reached that bit in my java/android travels where there's no reason not to sit down and actually create something. know my way around intellij,androidannotations, activity lifecycles etc. Must try and develop some sort of "get up and go" now.... Mar 13 10:28:53 g00s, nah its fun to read :) Mar 13 10:28:55 g00s: +1 Mar 13 10:29:00 no its not. Mar 13 10:29:11 it pollutes the group and deters new people. Mar 13 10:29:41 that's true. Mar 13 10:29:43 and this IS a good group. Much friendlier than ##java for example which has detiorated into a a "biggest number of bans" competition. Mar 13 10:30:08 heh haven't seen that channel yet Mar 13 10:30:15 lemonxah: Ah, okay. :) Mar 13 10:30:24 rgr i just peeked at androidannotations; does't seem that useful Mar 13 10:30:37 sensen, at any one time we have over 3 mill concurrent connections Mar 13 10:30:55 lemonxah you can do that with one box right :D Mar 13 10:30:59 its useful in removing chunks of boilerplate code. for me it was more nice just to get it working and understand it. Mar 13 10:31:08 lemonxah: Humm.. How many box to serve those connections? Mar 13 10:31:12 heh nope g00s we have proxies Mar 13 10:31:25 like 30+ Mar 13 10:31:33 not sure of the exact numbers Mar 13 10:33:26 I see. Mar 13 10:34:36 lemonxah i could not find the article on HN , something like the '10m connection challenge' Mar 13 10:34:42 for one machine Mar 13 10:36:06 http://c10m.robertgraham.com/p/manifesto.html Mar 13 10:37:40 rgr there is a lot of boilerplate in android. i guess partly b/c of java, some because of design (content providers). i guess each person has a different tolerance to boilerplate Mar 13 10:38:07 i have no problem with simple, understandable boilerplate ... Mar 13 10:38:19 much prefer that to some weird magic that can go on and break behind my back Mar 13 10:38:26 like some annotation processor :) Mar 13 10:38:47 adb iDi0t Mar 13 10:44:19 g00s, hrmph, dunno, AndroidAnnotations significantly reduced boilerplate and made code noticably easier to read and maintain Mar 13 10:44:31 it's also pretty clear what it does and how :) Mar 13 10:51:33 some of the annotations seem fun; others like @UiThread and @Background i wouldn't use Mar 13 11:01:38 hello, you guys know of any DNS debug tools that work on android Mar 13 11:02:14 I am trying to connect my PC to android using one of those devices eth to usb Mar 13 11:03:23 I can actually ping from my android device to an IP, but cant ping to a hostname Mar 13 11:03:39 any ideas? Mar 13 11:20:18 notok: your DNS is broken Mar 13 11:21:29 SpeedEvil, please could you elaborate a bit more :o\ Mar 13 11:21:53 Alas - no. Mar 13 11:22:22 All I know about android DNS is that it's controlled by the android stack, and there isn't easy ways to fiddle with it Mar 13 11:22:47 I would wonder if there are DNS servers on the appstore Mar 13 11:23:23 er.. have no idea, lemme check Mar 13 11:23:36 dhcp returns the right stuff like gateway,dns,ip etc... Mar 13 11:23:59 and if I try to access something with IP it works yet dns is not working Mar 13 11:24:42 note that I am trying with eth0 interface Mar 13 11:24:43 just checked out AndroidAnnotations, it looks interesting, but it kinda feels like i'm drowning in frameworks at the moment :S there's just so many for SOOOOO many different (and similar) tasks Mar 13 11:26:04 bankai_ yeah, they have rest stuff, concurrency stuff, etc Mar 13 11:26:13 i'd use rxjava over their concurrency stuff any time Mar 13 11:26:28 are they smashing together existing frameworks or spinning their own everything ? Mar 13 11:26:35 i can live with findViewById() :) Mar 13 11:27:20 g00s, @Background and @UiThread are the main reasons I use it ;) Mar 13 11:27:58 * g00s smack Mavrik with rxTrout Mar 13 11:28:16 rxJava is awful Mar 13 11:28:31 it adds even more noise and boilerplate over already verbose Java concurrency primitives Mar 13 11:28:56 for alot of server-side concurrent work yes Mar 13 11:29:09