**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 14 02:59:59 2014 Mar 14 03:17:48 how do i speed up my app without rewriting the floating point stuff in C ? Mar 14 03:18:43 because it is slow as mole-asses going uphill', i tell you what Mar 14 03:19:50 nick prove it Mar 14 03:20:15 as in, race them ? Mar 14 03:21:44 as in show something other than irc theory. are you just venting, or you have a problem? if venting, then join #android-dev-chat, if problem, pastebin some code for someone that can give you a second look at what you are wanting to accomplish, and maybe even collaborate a more efficent solution? Mar 14 03:22:03 #android-dev, you mean Mar 14 03:22:17 &that someone may not be me, i'm just saying if you are wanting to see if your code is correct as correct can be and still falling short they maybe able to help Mar 14 03:22:57 JesusFreke: no i meant if he has no code and is just venting then goto #android-dev-chat, cuz they may chat there, but i don't think it exist, but we can make it exist to stay on topic Mar 14 03:23:03 i've been drinking..... Mar 14 03:23:46 sure i'll put some code Mar 14 03:23:50 onto pastebin Mar 14 03:25:23 well, i ported this to openGL ES: https://github.com/danfuzz/xscreensaver/blob/master/hacks/glx/lavalite.c Mar 14 03:26:13 well that's in C, you said you didn't wanna rewrite in C. where's the java? Mar 14 03:26:25 i wrote it in java Mar 14 03:26:28 or more, where's your ported code that you are working on Mar 14 03:26:42 i know i'm saying, you are posting code that isn't the non ported Mar 14 03:27:01 where's the code that is sluggish Mar 14 03:27:28 are you using packed index buffers? Mar 14 03:27:50 or VBOs? Mar 14 03:27:52 i'm using FloatBuffer and allocateDirect() Mar 14 03:28:08 also calling loadtexture is slow Mar 14 03:28:34 nick9998: that sounds like a client side buffer? Mar 14 03:29:06 arcode: what do you mean? Mar 14 03:30:03 a client side buffer is loaded into main memory versus loading a buffer directly into video memory Mar 14 03:31:00 nick9998: you might consider rewriting it to use fixed-point arithmetic, if possible Mar 14 03:31:03 i made my first opengl app a couple of days ago so i am no expert...but i'll dig up a couple resources that helped me Mar 14 03:31:36 ok here is my LavaLamp.java, please take alook http://pastebin.com/X0LEPypG Mar 14 03:32:38 arcode: thanks, i didn't know about the non-client side buffer way... Mar 14 03:34:13 sup guys Mar 14 03:35:10 yo Mar 14 03:38:28 nick9998: i listened to this talk where he gives optimization tips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-62tRHLcHk Mar 14 03:39:19 also i followed all the lessons from here (lesson 7 and 8 are relevant to your question): http://www.learnopengles.com/android-lesson-eight-an-introduction-to-index-buffer-objects-ibos/ Mar 14 03:39:23 http://developer.android.com/design/downloads/index.html Where do I extract these downloads to? Mar 14 03:40:36 If possible, I'm really in a hurry: can anyone answer? Mar 14 03:41:07 thanks for the links! Mar 14 03:41:34 np, the last link has source code and a sample app to go with it :) Mar 14 03:45:01 is it faster to use TRIANGLE_STRIPS than TRIANGLES ? Mar 14 03:45:04 or doesnt really matter Mar 14 03:47:07 i'm not sure, perhaps make a frame counter and find out? Mar 14 03:49:16 cool i'l try that Mar 14 03:50:18 nick9998: hope everything works out. see it's nice to give details :) Mar 14 03:51:12 thanks yo, should be fine! Mar 14 04:00:55 I'm trying to build a score table in my game. Each number is an image (0-9), but how do I assign integers to these images? Mar 14 04:02:25 RetroDude: images like ImageViews? Mar 14 04:02:49 no like actually .png images, assets. Mar 14 04:03:47 what do you mean by "assign integers to these images"? like shove them in an array? Mar 14 04:04:16 yea id say use an array, u can stash objects by number Mar 14 04:04:50 hey guys how do i get a custom icon on the navbar? Mar 14 04:05:03 you can either stash the Image (Bitmap?) variables in an array, or you could create an array for the drawable IDs Mar 14 04:05:20 jareddlc: per activity? or just for the app Mar 14 04:05:38 sounds like an array is the way to go, thanks. Mar 14 04:05:41 per app i suppose Mar 14 04:05:44 i want to make a server Mar 14 04:05:50 and when the service is running show the icon? Mar 14 04:06:01 service* Mar 14 04:06:04 notbryant: Mar 14 04:06:25 jareddlc: do you mean the notification bar? Mar 14 04:06:53 navbar yes Mar 14 04:07:01 ohh Mar 14 04:07:05 yes Mar 14 04:07:10 what is navbar then xD Mar 14 04:07:39 lol nvm yes notification bar Mar 14 04:07:55 ok, so you want to create a notification Mar 14 04:08:04 jareddlc: http://i.stack.imgur.com/YSiGf.jpg Mar 14 04:08:15 thx sensen Mar 14 04:08:40 I believe the standard way is to the Notification Builder in the support library Mar 14 04:09:05 k Mar 14 04:09:18 "NotificationCompat.Builder" Mar 14 04:09:19 thx notbryant i'll do the googles Mar 14 04:09:26 np :) Mar 14 04:10:05 jareddlc: http://developer.android.com/training/notify-user/build-notification.html and http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/NotificationCompat.Builder.html Mar 14 04:10:32 with that Mar 14 04:10:46 it should show on the notification bar after a service has been started and will remain? Mar 14 04:12:03 jareddlc: You'll need to call startForeground in your service. Mar 14 04:12:12 yes, you just want to make sure to set "setOngoing" to true Mar 14 04:12:23 (note: I have never done notifications inside of a service, just inside an app) Mar 14 04:13:02 thx guys im sure i'll pop in a few Mar 14 04:13:08 I think there's a documentation for that already. I'll look it up, very straight-forward. Mar 14 04:13:11 np Mar 14 04:32:06 does anyone know if u can style a switch botton? Mar 14 04:32:14 i dont like that it puts the text right next to it Mar 14 04:32:33 if so where can i find properties for swtch buttons Mar 14 04:37:20 you can style just about anything if you work hard enough Mar 14 04:39:41 whats the proper syntax if I want to draw one of the array indexes to a place on the screen. Something like: g.drawImage(imageArray[0]), 50, Mar 14 04:39:41 25); Mar 14 04:40:45 where imageArray is the name of my array Mar 14 04:40:51 hey guys Mar 14 04:40:53 quick question Mar 14 04:40:59 when i hibernate my laptop Mar 14 04:41:02 and i come back to it Mar 14 04:41:13 logcat doesnt work, how do i fix this without restarting eclipse? Mar 14 04:42:11 can I move google map zoom controls ? Mar 14 04:42:18 a little bit more up Mar 14 04:50:06 hmmm Mar 14 04:50:17 how should I get map from SupportMapFragment/ Mar 14 04:50:59 jareddlc: you could try restarting adb Mar 14 04:51:07 getMap() i believe Mar 14 04:51:38 bankai_: it returns null Mar 14 04:51:46 you're doing it too early then Mar 14 04:52:30 well after transaction.replace() Mar 14 04:52:37 and commit Mar 14 04:52:47 seems like those two takes some time Mar 14 04:55:13 the SupportMapFragment takes a while to generate the map, you can really only get an instance of the map in the latter states of a Fragment - onStart or onResume Mar 14 04:55:47 if you're doing the SupportMapFragment programmatically, then i don't know. iwas told not to do it Mar 14 04:57:35 I've found different place Mar 14 04:57:58 well in some places I need to dothat Mar 14 04:58:03 i.e nested fragment Mar 14 06:22:53 Why doesn't android-ndk-r9d/docs/ANDROID-MK.html document BUILD_EXECUTABLE? Mar 14 06:47:15 yuck, the PreferenceActivity onBuildHeader() stuff is such a hack Mar 14 06:47:25 its like the dev just gave up Mar 14 06:48:01 calendar app sets a fragment like so accountHeader.fragment = "com.android.calendar.selectcalendars.SelectCalendarsSyncFragment"; Mar 14 06:48:09 wth Mar 14 07:04:15 lol Mar 14 07:47:40 hm, doesn't seem to be a way to simply disable a PreferenceActivity Header Mar 14 08:04:39 Hi. Is writing android apps with js possible and worth it? Mar 14 08:06:00 phao: yes-no and no Mar 14 08:06:08 Hehe. Mar 14 08:06:12 it is possible but far away from productive or professional Mar 14 08:06:18 and worth it: absolutely not Mar 14 08:06:37 I see. Why isn't it worth it? Mar 14 08:07:08 because even if you pput a lot of time in it (you will need more then with native android to get around the same quality) you won't get the same quality in fact Mar 14 08:07:21 its slower, it doesn't feel native on ios Mar 14 08:07:25 ehh ios.. Mar 14 08:07:29 hehehe Mar 14 08:07:31 it won't feel nativfe on any platform Mar 14 08:07:50 you will get an app that feels alienating on all platforms Mar 14 08:07:53 instead of really good on one Mar 14 08:08:31 i am working in an IT service company, doing native ios/android and crossplattform js development, and clients often want cross plattform, even though we tell them about all the drawbacks you have with them Mar 14 08:08:51 because to be honest its often just salesman seeing ahh we don't need to develop 2 apps, we only need one Mar 14 08:09:10 (even if especially for short to medium app sizes, from my experience, the time won't be so much different) Mar 14 08:09:21 and you see a lot of clients afterwards beeing totally disappointed about the result Mar 14 08:09:46 or saying.. ahh now we don't want that standard usecases, we want the fancy animatin use-case shiny pony Mar 14 08:09:50 TICKET-1234: Some widget doesn't behave exactly the same as in iOS Mar 14 08:09:53 and you only can say.. ehh yeah.. but not in JS :) Mar 14 08:10:02 my favourite :( Mar 14 08:10:10 alex_PP: which framework? Mar 14 08:10:21 every project i work on Mar 14 08:10:36 someone always opens a ticket along those lines Mar 14 08:10:57 yeah, i stumbled about lots of bugs in cordova and for fun looked through their bugtracker Mar 14 08:11:12 some of my favorites: No mechanism to change the app icon Mar 14 08:11:30 and: You disabling overscroll on iOS doesn't work in the general config Mar 14 08:11:53 or: open an link in the external browser :D Mar 14 08:11:55 native by the way Mar 14 08:12:02 totally bleeding edge case, no need to have that in a framework :) Mar 14 08:12:04 it's an expectations bug Mar 14 08:12:18 ha! Mar 14 08:12:21 Hi all Mar 14 08:12:45 Hey, I'm having trouble writing to my avd's sd card. When I try adb push, I get "Read-only file system". Mar 14 08:12:57 so phao, I guess that was enough wall of text. If you understand german and are around munich next week, you can listen to me bashing more around cross plattform crap on MobileTechCon :D Mar 14 08:13:16 heheh Mar 14 08:13:20 I can't understand german. Mar 14 08:13:37 I found a StackOverflow post suggesting I do "adb shell" and then "mount -o remount rw /sdcard", but that gives "mount: Invalid argument" Mar 14 08:13:40 no matter, you would get the frustration and bitterness I got from these frameworks :D Mar 14 08:13:57 But when I asked for js on android, it's wasn't really about cross platform. Mar 14 08:13:57 adnap: mount -o remount,rw /sdcard Mar 14 08:14:02 I'd be ok with an android specific framework. Mar 14 08:14:04 comma between the options Mar 14 08:14:14 I was just curious, anyway. Mar 14 08:14:27 phao: all the JS frameworks I know, are made because you want to have somethign cross palttform Mar 14 08:14:34 I see. Mar 14 08:14:38 timroes: That gives "Usage: mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] device directory" Mar 14 08:14:40 ofc you can use them to work only on a single platform Mar 14 08:15:23 advantage: you can code in a languague you nmight now, disadvantage: you dno't even use the 'positive sides' (cross paltform'ness) of the framework and only have the drawbacks Mar 14 08:16:08 phao also, some really just need a mobile website, not an "App" Mar 14 08:16:23 I see. Mar 14 08:16:48 adnap: yeah you are missing one parameter Mar 14 08:16:51 native is best UX, but at a cost. especially if you have to do 3: WP also Mar 14 08:17:05 but if its content heavy, mobile web app is probably best Mar 14 08:17:31 yeah second g00s totally: most of the companies only need a mobile webpage and not an app Mar 14 08:17:39 phao you mey enjoy reading 'mobile usability' by jacobson Mar 14 08:17:49 ok Mar 14 08:18:11 oh man, i confused him with Ivar Mar 14 08:18:13 http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Usability-Jakob-Nielsen/dp/0321884485 Mar 14 08:18:27 Jakob Nielsen. most of this is common sense now, but still good Mar 14 08:18:39 =D Mar 14 08:18:41 i like reading about their internal studies Mar 14 08:18:47 phao: also end users often have a clear oppinion about html5 crap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.swm.mobile.kitchensink Mar 14 08:18:49 timroes: Well, I have the link sdcard -> /storage/sdcard. I tried "mount -o remount,rw /storage/sdcard /sdcard", but I got "mount: Invalid argument" I don't know what I'm doing Mar 14 08:19:18 adnap: first parameter -> which device, second -> where to mount it Mar 14 08:19:23 timroes: Yeah, I know Mar 14 08:19:27 timroes: It's not working. Mar 14 08:19:31 if you just type mount yhou should get a list of what device it is Mar 14 08:19:52 infortunately someone stole my microusb cable as it seem, otherwise I would have looked... Mar 14 08:19:58 un* Mar 14 08:20:03 heheheh Mar 14 08:20:09 timroes: Actually, it's not listed Mar 14 08:20:09 13 1 start... that's tough Mar 14 08:20:25 phao: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appcelerator.titanium Mar 14 08:20:36 hi guys/girls I have to cache some information (json response and images) and I wonder if there is a known way to do so ? any advices ? Mar 14 08:20:39 na that was the wrong link Mar 14 08:20:55 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ikmultimediaus.android.irigrecorder&hl=en <-- also read the 3rd and 4th voted comments Mar 14 08:21:37 i could go on with examples how html5 also will effect your income besides your rating, but I will stop here now, and go search my microusb cables :) Mar 14 08:22:09 yeah.. it's pretty bad Mar 14 08:22:11 I'm using here. Mar 14 08:23:29 I think my avd doesn't have an sdcard. I just found the relevant docs though https://developer.android.com/tools/devices/emulator.html#sdcard Mar 14 08:25:08 tagrudev square has a disklrucache thingy Mar 14 08:25:32 https://github.com/JakeWharton/DiskLruCache Mar 14 08:25:35 tagrudev: use HTTP cache semantics and an HTTP client that does it for you Mar 14 08:26:11 I am currently using loopj implementation but it doesn't support http cache Mar 14 08:26:58 No surprises there, I suppose. Mar 14 08:29:39 that's going to be fixed in the future I think, but it currently doesn't solve my problem Mar 14 08:30:07 I would have used the okhttp, but I like the loopj approach with the response handlers Mar 14 08:30:28 i would argue that you shouldn't even be doing things at that level Mar 14 08:30:41 Hi all, I have this in my HttpPost: httppost.setEntity(new UrlEncodedFormEntity(nameValuePairs)); but is that key-value in the header or where does it put these keyvalues? (need to do the same for ios but don't know how) Mar 14 08:31:07 FrancescoV: that's a form URL-encoded body Mar 14 08:31:18 JakeWharton, then on what level ? I haven't done this before so I am open for ideas Mar 14 08:31:30 interacting with an http client directly Mar 14 08:31:36 dealing with serialization and stuff Mar 14 08:31:57 ah you're talking about the handlers Mar 14 08:32:31 JakeWharton: thanks, do you have experience with ios too? Have an idea how I can do the same for the ios platform? Mar 14 08:33:25 maybe some garbage like this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/22064061/132047 Mar 14 08:33:28 * JakeWharton barfs Mar 14 08:33:54 tagrudev: is loopj and actual HTTP client or does it just wrap apache and/or httpurlconnection? Mar 14 08:34:06 *an actual Mar 14 08:34:47 I think it wraps the apache client Mar 14 08:35:17 https://github.com/loopj/android-async-http/issues/103 Mar 14 08:35:25 This will be provided by using OkHttp instead of DefaultHttpClient, using HttpUrlConnection has it's perks, such as HttpResponseCache. Mar 14 08:36:25 FYI the forthcoming OkHttp v2 will have a high-level API for requests and responses and sync/async behavior Mar 14 08:36:57 the convenience of simple requests (like Apache but without 5000 classes) but with the performance of HttpUrlConnection Mar 14 08:37:09 more performance, actually. we're already faster. Mar 14 08:37:57 anyways, we're way off topic. DiskLruCache is a decent solution to having your own cache but its API isn't targeted for application-level use Mar 14 08:37:58 when I started coding the app I am on, that one got my eye on Mar 14 08:38:03 it's made for libraries to be built on top of Mar 14 08:38:20 hence, HttpResponseCache is built on DiskLruCache Mar 14 08:38:37 even HttpResponseCache has an API only a library could love Mar 14 08:39:33 doesnt it just save the info to files Mar 14 08:39:42 is there an option to keep it in the memory Mar 14 08:40:03 I guess I would just save the data in the database Mar 14 08:40:10 and locally cache the images Mar 14 08:40:37 it's a journal + files on disk Mar 14 08:41:46 JakeWharton, btw offtopic you're coding in picasso too ? Mar 14 08:41:57 yes. picasso is my baby Mar 14 08:42:18 I recently switched to it but https://github.com/square/picasso/issues/305#issuecomment-37575833 Mar 14 08:42:28 that one is a problematic issue Mar 14 08:42:35 for you specifically? Mar 14 08:42:46 nope I didn't open the issue Mar 14 08:43:23 Many thousands of apps across tens of millions of devices are using Picasso to download images just fine. Mar 14 08:43:41 One person who likely is misconfiguring a custom instance shoudn't worry you Mar 14 08:44:01 I got the OOM too Mar 14 08:44:09 I managed to fix that on the server side though Mar 14 08:44:15 making images smaller Mar 14 08:44:49 yeah OOM usually indicates a problem with either the app or images Mar 14 08:47:01 JakeWharton by any chance, do you know if its possible to 'adb shell am startservice ' when exported=false? i tried, i think every permutation of --user XXX and 'run-as', no dice Mar 14 08:47:25 ctate was good with this stuff Mar 14 08:48:59 Whether these imports (v4 and standard) interfere with each other? http://pastebin.com/z4QdUKP7 Mar 14 08:49:46 Flank_Y320-U30: no Mar 14 08:49:48 g00s: nope, sorry Mar 14 08:49:58 JakeWharton allright, thx Mar 14 08:55:39 JakeWharton, but I have crash of my app when I using this import android.support.v4.preference.PreferenceFragment; Mar 14 08:55:58 logcat http://pastebin.com/7Bm8y04S Mar 14 09:10:04 what is the best way to validate password in edittext? Mar 14 09:10:14 I set onkeytextlistener Mar 14 09:10:23 but got stackoverflow Mar 14 09:10:31 when invoking method on keypressed Mar 14 09:13:37 gordon_ why not just validate it when you use/persist it by reading the text from the view? Mar 14 09:14:07 it's done like that Mar 14 09:14:18 but I've got drawables Mar 14 09:14:26 which are changing Mar 14 09:14:26 Question : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22400530/how-to-check-whether-two-image-are-similar-in-android Mar 14 09:14:40 Guys share your views if you can Mar 14 09:16:28 How are the drawables relevant to the password validation? Mar 14 09:18:29 If you want to validate for every change you could use a TextWatcher. Mar 14 09:42:13 is it possible for android to limit the numbers to which child can call to Mar 14 09:47:06 Is build v22.3.0-887826 and Eclipse Platform 4.2.1 the latest ones shipped with ADT Bundle? Mar 14 09:47:38 should I upload also the project.properties to github if i publish my open source app? Mar 14 09:47:42 guys what you suggest instead of testflight for beta testing? Mar 14 09:48:35 Dudi_: play store beta testing? Mar 14 09:49:21 yoavst I'm not going to use Play store for my app Mar 14 09:50:20 Dudi_: You mean that your app won't be on playe store? Mar 14 09:50:40 yoavst not my call, but yea Mar 14 09:51:37 http://bit.ly/OpDcIl Mar 14 10:14:55 when do you rebuild as against to re-make? Mar 14 10:25:07 can someone recommend good proguard tutorial for android ? Mar 14 10:37:34 the android dev docs have a pretty comprehensive documentation for it. Mar 14 10:40:13 the decision to disallow camelcase file names for resource file names is strange. In order to support case insensitive file systems surely better to simply disallow two resource files having the same main name (eg X.png, x.xml) in the same directory. Java resource IDs are case sensitive anyways and it kind of breaks the code consistency to see camelCase everywhere and the the horrific underscore naming trend for resources. Mar 14 10:48:23 ugh Mar 14 10:48:36 I didnt found many resources there Mar 14 10:49:12 already have a nexus 7 (first version) for development... can someone recommend a larger tablet for cheap? i'm not going to use it for anything but testing. Mar 14 10:49:41 Nexus 10? Mar 14 10:49:52 oh i suppose they're probably cheap Mar 14 10:50:00 gordon_: I think you'd want to start here: http://proguard.sourceforge.net/#manual/introduction.html Mar 14 10:50:01 ultra-: not a real device but way better than the stock emulator: genymotion Mar 14 10:50:54 gordon_: And there's a section for Android at http://proguard.sourceforge.net/#manual/examples.html Mar 14 10:50:58 ohcibi: has genymotion solved the issues with google play services yet? Mar 14 10:51:11 sensen: thanks! Mar 14 10:51:16 cezium: what issues? I managed to install that stuff on a 4.3 device Mar 14 10:51:21 or 4.2 *notsure* Mar 14 10:51:22 oh cool ohcibi, thanks... hadn't heard of it Mar 14 10:51:24 any know a good alternate for android adv? like gerymotion or so Mar 14 10:51:32 i have a bad cpu no haxm no vt :D Mar 14 10:52:00 cezium: was able to test a bit around with the adID (our sdk uses it), seemed to work the same way as on my real devices Mar 14 10:52:26 looks like i can get by with the free version, too Mar 14 10:52:27 ohcibi: they dropped the support for it at some point which made me go back to real devices Mar 14 10:53:26 cezium: ah I believe this was even before me installing it.. so I guess the answer is no, the ydidnt solve it but you can setup a device with gps kinda easy Mar 14 10:53:46 maybe thats why they dropped the support Mar 14 10:54:33 ultra-: yes you can.. you only need pro for some additional fancy features like manipulating some sensors (some are even included in free) and recording videos of an app session Mar 14 10:54:40 gordon_: Im no expert but if you ask a specific Q maybe someone can help you. https://developer.android.com/tools/help/proguard.html Mar 14 10:55:17 ultra-: i'm not sure how that "free for personal use" goes if you use the devices in your company for testing, but who knows, right? Mar 14 10:55:22 I try to release app and shirnk size Mar 14 10:55:50 wait a sec I will paste stacktrace Mar 14 10:55:53 ohcibi: I guess I'll have to see I can get a license then. Mar 14 10:56:29 Warning: dagger.internal.Binding: can't find superclass or interface javax.inject.Provider Mar 14 10:56:40 the default emulator is slow as hell Mar 14 10:56:43 funny fact is I'm using butterknfie Mar 14 10:56:59 and added butterknife things to proguard.properties Mar 14 10:57:02 from it's site Mar 14 10:57:10 ultra-: as one said inhere before when he points _me_ to it: i pretty much stopped using real devices except for final testing Mar 14 10:57:37 awesome, i'm gonna dl it Mar 14 10:57:41 its awesome and thus even worth some money I think Mar 14 10:57:41 thanks for the tip Mar 14 10:57:54 perhaps once i'm making money on android Mar 14 10:57:58 muahah Mar 14 10:58:01 8-) Mar 14 10:58:27 i custom write all the touch stuff though, so i need a real device during development... but i also custom write all the on-screen stuff, and this will still be handy for testing all of that out Mar 14 10:59:42 stock emulator just sucks... period Mar 14 11:00:14 it does doesnt it. unbelievably useless. Mar 14 11:00:19 meh, on my linux box it runs smoothly Mar 14 11:00:22 it really doesn't Mar 14 11:00:27 runs for shit on my mac Mar 14 11:00:32 it's just slow Mar 14 11:00:37 runs like a dog on this debian box too. Mar 14 11:00:54 your boxes suck or you're doing it wrong ;) Mar 14 11:01:02 if you get the accelerated x86 image working right, it's fine Mar 14 11:01:20 ah damn, it requires virtualbox and i'm not installing that :/ Mar 14 11:01:31 i guess i'll stick with real devices Mar 14 11:01:42 real device is always better anyway Mar 14 11:01:47 i dual boot for windows but don't use virtualbox Mar 14 11:02:04 hey folks Mar 14 11:02:06 keep it real Mar 14 11:02:09 it doesn't require virtualbox at all Mar 14 11:02:16 it requires virtualisation support Mar 14 11:02:34 oh wait, i see Mar 14 11:02:55 I can't wait until I understand openGl better. Mar 14 11:03:10 i just automatically thought of windows or other desktop OS when i saw virtualbox Mar 14 11:03:31 genymotion doesnt require virtualbox? Mar 14 11:03:43 and whats the big deal about it?, you never see it, when using genymotion Mar 14 11:03:57 except if your computer crashes you might have to manually kill the device within vbox Mar 14 11:04:18 no no no... when i saw virtualbox, i thought it was windows only, so i'd need virtualbox... i'm just tired this morning Mar 14 11:04:33 no.. vbox runs on any platform 8-)) Mar 14 11:04:39 running any platform Mar 14 11:04:42 8-) Mar 14 11:05:27 <7JTAABRMY> does it run on symbian Mar 14 11:05:36 well.. its java.. so why not? Mar 14 11:05:57 java claims to run on any platform, not sure about symbian though Mar 14 11:06:31 genymotion requires vbox; and its way faster than the x86 images + hacm Mar 14 11:06:45 that's not even it... i thought ganymede was windows only, and that it was detecting my mac so it was telling me i had to virtualize windows first... that's how off i am this morning Mar 14 11:07:09 i'm using it on a POS MBP from 2009 Mar 14 11:07:17 excellent Mar 14 11:07:23 2011 MBA should work fine then Mar 14 11:07:23 i'm using it on a macbook late 2009 Mar 14 11:07:30 and on linux Mar 14 11:07:38 i dont work on windows.. windows is for play Mar 14 11:07:57 wintendo :) Mar 14 11:08:09 linux is for solving puzzles :) Mar 14 11:08:18 keep the mind sharp! Mar 14 11:09:36 buy mac Mar 14 11:09:39 install linux on it Mar 14 11:09:42 ??? Mar 14 11:09:43 profit Mar 14 11:10:41 buy mac, keep OS X on it, profit + FTW ! Mar 14 11:10:54 and let anyone see your data Mar 14 11:10:56 not profil Mar 14 11:10:58 *profit Mar 14 11:11:19 not sure i understand :) Mar 14 11:11:37 you probably didnt hear about latest ssl issue :) Mar 14 11:12:22 *yawn* Mar 14 11:12:35 hi all, it is possible to have a number near the notification in the notification bar? Mar 14 11:12:36 solaris ftw Mar 14 11:12:58 arcode :D Mar 14 11:13:25 xD Mar 14 11:14:37 gordon_ but this will help me some, right ? https://supporters.eff.org/shop/laptop-camera-cover-set Mar 14 11:17:16 android has its own issues http://www.informationsecuritybuzz.com/android-vpn-flaw-closer-look-means-secure-remote-access/ Mar 14 11:17:47 everybody screws things up Mar 14 11:18:10 yeah that's just it Mar 14 11:18:13 they all have their problems Mar 14 11:19:28 gordon_ and you guys have that awesome GnuTLS bug! http://readwrite.com/2014/03/05/gnutls-bug-linux-security-flaw-leaves-users-vulnerable-hacks Mar 14 11:22:02 but that apple one … i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but that extra break; seemed malicious; when you look at your code, don't you look and strive for symmetry and balance? its like a piece of art Mar 14 11:22:04 heh. if you listen to the linux fanatics that are always in denial (I'm a more realistic Linux user!) that gnuttls bug "isnt really a problem"... lol... Mar 14 11:22:24 sw gets bugs. people screw up. admit it. move on. Mar 14 11:22:27 i can't imagine gaving an extra break; i'd pick that up just scanning the code Mar 14 11:22:37 solved my question by importing backwarp prefs library as existing code Mar 14 11:22:44 backward Mar 14 11:23:30 My app has currently one Activity and one Fragment (added when app starts), but wen I push the back button, the app closes, that's good, but when I reopen the app, the Fragment is null and create it again, how can the first fragment stay visible? Mar 14 11:26:09 gordon_ i'm still trying to parse this one though http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor Mar 14 11:26:15 this is interesting Mar 14 11:26:24 g00s: thanks Mar 14 11:26:41 wonder if I got that bug too Mar 14 11:26:44 will check at home Mar 14 11:26:54 I dont have radio app ;) Mar 14 11:27:23 if i am especially paranoid about a piece of software, i'd compile it myself with statically linked openssl Mar 14 11:27:49 this is what i did with my mosquitto servers Mar 14 11:28:31 of course, there are hundreds of ways just to screw up configuring the server and client for ssl Mar 14 11:28:31 I dont have anything to OS X Mar 14 11:28:33 rather apple Mar 14 11:28:44 and I like kde ;) Mar 14 11:28:51 but at work I got a mac Mar 14 11:29:00 and I it has many good points Mar 14 11:29:03 but also bad points Mar 14 11:29:05 like everything Mar 14 11:29:25 only real issue is that Linux still doesn't handle hidpi screens Mar 14 11:29:34