**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 01 02:59:59 2014 Apr 01 03:15:20 wow, irc is actually mentioned as an avenue for support? who fucked that up... Apr 01 03:16:16 that is bizarre that THIS channel would be on the official Android site Apr 01 03:16:21 no offence :) Apr 01 03:16:44 or offense :) Apr 01 03:17:50 it's even worse than that... #android is listed too! Apr 01 03:20:45 speaking of cool things, did anyone gee the 'emoji translate' in chrome ? Apr 01 03:21:01 and s.android.com describes both channels as "maintained", which would seem to be false advertising :P Apr 01 03:21:11 bankai_au: I saw it, was too scared to click it :) Apr 01 03:21:29 oh it's funny .... i was playing with it after i caught all the pokemon in the area Apr 01 03:23:10 whoa, freaky... Apr 01 03:24:02 thought you'd be used to that kinda thing, being in HK Apr 01 03:24:13 I try quite hard to avoid it Apr 01 03:24:24 you speak canto ? Apr 01 03:24:29 no Apr 01 03:24:56 mando ? Apr 01 03:25:09 hello, i'm having trouble with dropbox on my d2vzw, running android 4.4 Apr 01 03:25:18 it crashes whenever i try to sign in or sign up Apr 01 03:25:26 email the app maintainer then Apr 01 03:25:30 yingman Apr 01 03:25:36 i've uninstalled and reinstalled, cleared cache and data for the app, restored from titanium and rebooted to no avail Apr 01 03:25:40 got a logcat here: http://pastebin.com/rqbkPqAa Apr 01 03:26:15 anyone know what might be the problem here? Apr 01 03:26:48 paste the code where the problem happens... Apr 01 03:27:01 leeds: @me? Apr 01 03:27:08 yup Apr 01 03:27:19 did you see the logcat? Apr 01 03:27:27 this isn't my app, this is just the standard dropbox app Apr 01 03:27:33 so i don't have the source Apr 01 03:27:46 then how do you expect us to do anything? as bankai_au said - contact dropbox Apr 01 03:27:49 anyone know how to fail fast in calabash-android? i don't want my other tests to continue if the current test fails Apr 01 03:28:12 oh i didn't realize that was at me. i was hoping someone might have gleamed something from the logcat Apr 01 03:28:29 daturkel: are you a developer? Apr 01 03:28:37 not for android Apr 01 03:29:49 do you really think that if someone showed you a crash dump for a closed binary on whatever platform you do use, you could do anything significant to help them fix it? Apr 01 03:30:16 which file should I add dependencies to? Apr 01 03:30:37 for what ? Apr 01 03:31:04 thanks. Apr 01 03:31:12 I have a jar file for iconify Apr 01 03:31:22 wow, the dumb is flowing well today... Apr 01 03:31:36 http://joanzapata.com/android-iconify/ Apr 01 03:32:25 It says to "Download JAR or via Maven Central", well I don't want to get maven so I just want to import the jar file and add that dependency Apr 01 03:32:32 But I'm not sure where I need to do that Apr 01 03:32:44 are you using gradle ? Apr 01 03:32:48 no Apr 01 03:33:02 not giving us much to work with here ... Apr 01 03:33:18 I'm using Eclipse Apr 01 03:33:27 there's nothing special about the dev environment Apr 01 03:34:48 http://tools.android.com/recent/dealingwithdependenciesinandroidprojects Apr 01 03:36:31 So anything I put in libs/ is automatically picked up? Apr 01 03:43:22 if I want to calculate file integrity of a download on android, what's the best algorithm to use? Apr 01 03:47:50 damccull, doesn't matter hugely Apr 01 03:47:58 there are some collision examples with md5 Apr 01 03:48:23 and some theoretical attacks on SHA1 Apr 01 03:48:31 alex_PP: is any one faster than another? i know of md5, sha-1, and i think I remember something of crc from long ago Apr 01 03:48:46 how much data are you hashing? Apr 01 03:48:46 I'm not encrypting anything, just verifying data Apr 01 03:49:12 possibly up to 200mb Apr 01 03:49:27 whoah... can't you do it as an extra ? Apr 01 03:52:07 https://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/49550/which-hashing-algorithm-is-best-for-uniqueness-and-speed Apr 01 03:52:24 but damccull Apr 01 03:52:30 yes? Apr 01 03:52:45 almost any is going to be fine Apr 01 03:52:56 oic. ok. Thanks alex_PP! Apr 01 03:53:16 choose the one that the server's giving out Apr 01 04:47:52 Anyone have some example code showing how to implement leaderboards? Apr 01 05:02:03 is it possible to create HTC One m8 specific AVD to test my app. it keeps on crashing on this device. Apr 01 05:02:49 probably not Apr 01 05:03:21 that is, you can make an AVD to reproduce some characteristics of the M8, but it's unlikely that it would be close enough to cause the same crash Apr 01 05:04:58 ammm... developers need some facility to resolve such issues. Apr 01 05:05:38 go to a shop, find a friendly user, ask HTC for help... Apr 01 05:06:11 ya thats one option Apr 01 05:06:28 what do the logs say ? Apr 01 05:06:39 that's 3 options :P Apr 01 05:07:24 app works fine on other devices. but this issue is in HTC One m8 only Apr 01 05:07:30 what do the logs say ? Apr 01 05:07:47 it's not like there are many M8s out in the world yet... Apr 01 05:07:50 also no crash reports are getting submitted Apr 01 05:08:03 lots of australian m8s (hehe) Apr 01 05:08:26 bankai_au: if they don't advertise it as "G'day M8" down there I'll be very disappointed Apr 01 05:08:28 what am I chop liver? :) Apr 01 05:08:30 ya, but i want every one to be happy with the app :D Apr 01 05:08:45 mmm... chopped liver - will be eating that next week Apr 01 05:08:46 Leeds: "Get a new HTC m8, m8... they're gr8!" Apr 01 05:09:11 bankai_au: see, now I'm imagining a bowl of HTC breakfast cereal Apr 01 05:09:18 Where can I find examples of adding leaderboards in an app (google play services) Apr 01 05:09:36 RetroDude: there's examples on google Apr 01 05:09:43 get HTC!!! new one!!! its too costly. need some one to donate me :P Apr 01 05:10:33 where at? Apr 01 05:10:36 HTC ROMs are f'ing awful Apr 01 05:10:38 t2mkn: it's not out here until at least the end of this week, I'm stuck with an ancient obsolete M7! Apr 01 05:11:08 RetroDude: probably https://developers.google.com/games/services/web/api/leaderboards Apr 01 05:11:15 m8 will come on April in my place Apr 01 05:11:25 yeah, it's been April for 13 hours here :) Apr 01 05:11:38 15 here Apr 01 05:11:51 hehe... there are 30 days in it :P Apr 01 05:12:04 you would think bankai Apr 01 05:13:00 i cant get all the devices to test. need to make some kind of log system inside app. Apr 01 05:15:43 how do you know it's crashing on m8s if you haven't got one and have no crash reports? Apr 01 05:16:33 emails my friend, users of m8 Apr 01 05:18:44 they have tried to submit the crash report, but noting is getting submitted !!! Apr 01 05:20:45 aah one new!!! galaxy s4 (jflte). i dont have this ether Apr 01 05:23:50 g2g bb for now. Apr 01 05:27:19 if using support lib v4, should I commit it into repo or not? Apr 01 05:32:42 http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABREA2U0TY20140331 Apr 01 05:33:12 reading that article, somewhere it states that backdoor is included in java's bsafe Apr 01 05:33:17 someone have heard of such thing? Apr 01 05:47:39 damn. expandedlistview is one tough to understand cookie Apr 01 05:50:15 * creatorb1 anyone know how to parse json to sqlite Apr 01 06:18:57 ValicekB are you okkay bro :3 Apr 01 06:19:11 bankai_au http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/21vx41/now_that_the_snow_is_melting_ive_finally_figured/ Apr 01 06:22:05 bro, main channel please ;) Apr 01 06:23:16 what's good mocking framework for android ? Apr 01 06:23:21 mockito, easy mock ? Apr 01 06:33:08 depends what "for android" means Apr 01 06:33:33 I enjoy mockito Apr 01 06:40:34 I am having issues with including libraries in AS. I am not sure where to look for this. I have the required SDK's installed, I am not sure why I am getting a broken class path. Has anyone seen this/can help me out? http://prntscr.com/35zv95 Apr 01 06:50:45 hi, where can i find source to a simple LAN chat application with file transfer support? Apr 01 07:14:03 hello, is there any open-source IP messenger for Android? Apr 01 07:58:20 hey everyone Apr 01 08:04:03 hello to everyone Apr 01 08:04:12 I have a question Apr 01 08:04:48 I'm an engineer of software Apr 01 08:05:01 and I use uml for design my application Apr 01 08:05:21 I don't understand how to apply uml to android Apr 01 08:05:42 Can you suggest me a book for this stuff? Apr 01 08:13:03 So, I have run across the ever annoying "need to put something in a listview that does not belong in a listview". Namely a WebView with facebook comments. Apr 01 08:14:10 The reason I want to have it in my listView is that I want to continiously scroll content and continue, if possible, to have listView cells below the facebook social comments webView. Apr 01 08:14:34 but I am finding this quite hard to do, and I am hoping there might be an easier way. Apr 01 08:20:32 is there someone who has made a library for properly handling scrolling of content which supports something like this? Apr 01 08:20:34 If one of my Activities are being opened with an Intent, which method should I override to catch that Intent? Apr 01 08:21:26 At the moment I'm using a view to intercept touch and either using it to setTranslationY on my webView, or dispatching it to the webView so it scrolls internally. Apr 01 08:25:38 mihalybak, you could in onCreate do getIntent() Apr 01 08:27:02 havchr: ah ofcource, in other case I was considering startActivity(Intent pIntent) Apr 01 08:27:45 oh but no, startActivity if the other way and would not have worked Apr 01 08:39:19 does it make sense for menu items with an actionView to have a title? Apr 01 08:39:40 As is bugging me about it, not sure what providing one would do (when the app runs) Apr 01 08:40:46 suck it and see Apr 01 08:41:17 the app runs fine Apr 01 08:41:32 just wondering, if there was a degenerate case when it would use the title for the actionView Apr 01 08:41:42 but then it wouldn't be functioning :P Apr 01 08:41:48 what happens when you long press? Apr 01 08:42:28 the actionView for the menuitem is a switch with "always show in action bar". nothing happens on long press Apr 01 08:43:36 tried running it with a screen reader? Apr 01 08:43:52 no Apr 01 08:43:54 hmm Apr 01 08:45:08 g00s, I'm thinking accessibility Apr 01 08:45:21 yeah, thats a good reason. i'll put it back in Apr 01 08:45:26 thanks Mavrik / alex_PP Apr 01 08:46:33 though you should test it Apr 01 08:46:54 an actionview might be expecting you to use the view accessibility stuff Apr 01 09:22:26 hello Apr 01 09:26:06 . Apr 01 09:40:58 hi Apr 01 09:41:12 Google Play Developer Console - Supported devices 0 Apr 01 09:41:20 Can you guys see this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22781739/google-play-developer-console-supported-devices-0 Apr 01 09:42:29 Willams, you have a typo. Apr 01 09:42:35 you're requesting a feature that doesn't exist. Apr 01 09:42:47 thats quite a few permissions :) Apr 01 09:43:05 I tried to remove all the permission but have same still Apr 01 09:43:19 the d in hardware is not subtle Apr 01 09:44:26 Chainfire : let me correct it and retry Apr 01 09:45:23 wow worked Apr 01 09:45:27 thank you guys Apr 01 09:45:30 awesome Apr 01 09:45:41 Can I call multiple times finish() on the same instance and get multiple callbacks to onDestroy? Apr 01 09:45:50 e.g. on an Activity Apr 01 09:47:39 i doubt it Apr 01 09:49:46 is there a way I can use direct construction of a view hierarchy as what is returned in a fragment's onCreateView ? Apr 01 09:51:40 lasserix, you mean if you can create it programatically instead of inflating? if so, yeah, that's fine. Apr 01 09:56:15 in a vertical LinearLayout, I have a Button then a Textview. The button has style="borderlessbuttonStyle". But it looks ugly that the text of the button doesn't align with the text below it. How would you fix this? i guess i could go into the style and mimic the exact padding, is there an easier way ? Apr 01 09:57:00 g00s: I have another problem, currently I call finish() on an instance of MyActivity and onDestroy() is call backed, and then on another instance of MyActivity I call finish(), BUT onDestroy() is NOT called!, The onDestroy() on the 2nd instance is ONLY called when I create a 3rd instance of MyActivity , what is going on here ? Apr 01 09:57:00 i guess basically, "align this textview margin with that view above" Apr 01 09:57:34 cff thats weird, i have no idea Apr 01 10:11:27 hi Apr 01 10:11:47 when my app launches, it first shows up a black screen with the title bar - is there any way to hide it? Apr 01 10:14:04 are you using fragments or injection ? Apr 01 10:15:32 bankai_au, no i'm not Apr 01 10:18:58 hi all, is there a way to initiate a secure https connection from android to an endpoint and then read dialogue inputs directly into that pipe such that input cannot be snooped? Apr 01 10:19:09 cannot use webview Apr 01 10:20:54 sure, httpsurlconnection works fine Apr 01 10:21:10 ssl is a topic of itself, but anyhow Apr 01 10:21:58 g00s: so I can initiate a https connection and then read input from user (via keypad) into it directly such that the input is not visible to snoopers? Apr 01 10:22:20 well, if the snooper is the NSA i'm not so sure... Apr 01 10:22:24 kate_r, set the theme for the activity in the manifest Apr 01 10:22:45 compac, right. which theme should i use? Apr 01 10:22:51 g00s: anyone short of the NSA... Apr 01 10:22:57 yeah Apr 01 10:23:30 kate_r, what's the lowest api you support? Apr 01 10:23:32 g00s: could you point me to some docs please? or parts of the docs? (newb, sorry) Apr 01 10:23:45 compac, it's 11 for now Apr 01 10:24:03 elzid there is quite a bit to read Apr 01 10:24:11 scattered around Apr 01 10:24:25 g00s: I have 2 weeks for feasability Apr 01 10:24:28 :) Apr 01 10:24:31 ok Apr 01 10:24:34 https connections are quite well documented, what are you talking about reading 'straight into it'? Apr 01 10:24:52 elzid ok, well here are some links Apr 01 10:24:55 http://developer.android.com/reference/javax/net/ssl/HttpsURLConnection.html Apr 01 10:25:25 https://www.feistyduck.com/books/bulletproof-ssl-tls-and-pki/ Apr 01 10:25:48 https://crypto.stanford.edu/~dabo/pubs/abstracts/ssl-client-bugs.html Apr 01 10:26:02 all the papers here http://android-ssl.org/ Apr 01 10:26:09 enjoy ! Apr 01 10:26:14 compac, something like Theme/Translucnet? Apr 01 10:26:17 kate_r, android:theme is the xml attribute, also check the documentation. you probably want theme.holo.no action bar or full_screen. Apr 01 10:26:22 *Theme.Translucent Apr 01 10:26:47 g00s: Oh I won't! Be sure of that! Cheers buddy! Apr 01 10:26:55 compac, so how does it work.. how come setting the theme takes away the black screen? Apr 01 10:27:07 elzid and http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/authenticity-is-broken-in-ssl-but-your-app-ha/ Apr 01 10:27:14 you said you wanted to remove the title bar, right? Apr 01 10:27:35 compac, well, the screen which has the title bar Apr 01 10:27:44 before my main activity is rendered Apr 01 10:28:42 I'm not sure I follow. Apr 01 10:29:04 g00d: got it thanks Apr 01 10:29:27 compac, basically before my main activity is rendered, it shows a black screen with a titlebar Apr 01 10:29:43 compac, i've tried adding a splash screen, but it still shows before the splash screen shows Apr 01 10:30:12 It's probably just your device being slow Apr 01 10:30:16 I know what you mean Apr 01 10:30:53 are you testing it on a real device or the emulator? Apr 01 10:31:50 compac, well, both Apr 01 10:31:53 an Activity does not pass through any of the usual states when you have it already running and press Run in Eclipse. Apr 01 10:32:04 no onDestroy, onPause or onStop Apr 01 10:32:11 kate_r, What device do you own? Apr 01 10:32:21 compac, it's a nexus one Apr 01 10:32:31 compac, but is there a way to customise that screen? Apr 01 10:32:56 kate_r, Does it do it just for you app? Apr 01 10:33:46 compac, yeah - well my app does need to read a bit of stuff from the db Apr 01 10:34:07 ah Apr 01 10:34:54 compac, strangely (?) it isn't shown if i use Theme.Holo.NoActionBar Apr 01 10:35:05 Sicp, Press the back button on the emulator and you will see it calls onPause and onStop. onDestroyed is called only when you either fall finish() or when the system wants to reclaim memory. Apr 01 10:35:45 I know, I am asking instead about the "thing" that happens when your app closes the previously-running version of itself and opens the new version Apr 01 10:35:48 kate_r, right, it just shows a back screen Apr 01 10:35:50 that closing does not register any event Apr 01 10:36:07 black* Apr 01 10:36:24 compac, right. i got fooled by that :P Apr 01 10:36:59 g00s how did you want to align it? Apr 01 10:37:17 Sicp, what do you mean when your app closes its previous running version? Apr 01 10:37:24 wat... Apr 01 10:37:28 nvm Apr 01 10:38:16 Right, read the doc again. Apr 01 10:42:36 lasserix just wanted the left margins of each text to align Apr 01 10:42:59 maybe i need gridview Apr 01 10:43:03 gridlayout Apr 01 10:54:42 I can't seem to build a signed apk -> Error: ..../Name-defaultFlavor-debug-unaligned.apk (No such file or directory) Apr 01 10:54:58 anyone has the same problem ? android studio 0.5.3 Apr 01 10:57:55 build from the command line Apr 01 10:58:05 i think you have to ensure you have a signing configuration Apr 01 11:00:49 how is that it worked and now it's not Apr 01 11:00:53 I like updating studio :D Apr 01 11:02:25 oh, no idea then Apr 01 11:06:33 it builds from the command line though Apr 01 11:06:35 hahah wtf Apr 01 12:37:28 is there any way to get all settings stored in settings.system or settings.global without defining each explicit? Apr 01 12:54:50 Hello. Is there a way to show an animated gif in the text view drawable? Apr 01 12:57:13 anyone know if there's a "standard" way of opening the gallery app? Apr 01 12:59:08 mastro, https://gist.github.com/tagrudev/9913469 Apr 01 12:59:13 I was wondering what people's experiences are with creating and flashing custom roms on android devices Apr 01 12:59:17 I don't even know where to start Apr 01 12:59:33 bacon1989, try at #android-root read the topic Apr 01 12:59:41 tagrudev: alright thanks Apr 01 13:00:14 tagrudev, I've also found that... I don't really like it :/ Seems like an hack and I'm not sure it will work with any device / any version / any customization of the OS (Samsung, Sony, ...) Apr 01 13:00:26 tagrudev, I was hoping in a public API Apr 01 13:01:08 I don't think so, well catch the exception Apr 01 13:05:08 tagrudev, it's a pending intent Apr 01 13:05:35 tagrudev, and the question for me is not how to check if there's an activity there without launching it.. it's what to put in there if there's no one Apr 01 13:07:55 good day! Apr 01 13:09:10 is there any sample which extends calenderView In Android Apr 01 13:10:16 as I do to my app window left floating, and double clicking will maximize and minimize? Apr 01 13:18:48 is it possible to extend calenderView and create a custom design Apr 01 13:25:43 Guys i need help Apr 01 13:26:05 i'm trying to implement a horizontal list Apr 01 13:26:15 is trying to use view pager a good idea? Apr 01 13:27:20 view pager is a nice component and it works well. but how would we know your use case? Apr 01 13:28:39 I have a list with a custom row Apr 01 13:28:53 multiple items... etc Apr 01 13:29:13 in landscape, i would like it to be laid out horizontally Apr 01 13:29:28 but apparently list view doesn't do that Apr 01 13:29:44 so i wanted to find out if this could be done in view pager Apr 01 13:29:55 or some alternative.... Apr 01 13:30:20 I'm having a problem with fragments overlapping. Apr 01 13:30:28 getSupportFragmentManager().beginTransaction().replace(R.id.content_frame, new ActionListFragment()).commit(); Apr 01 13:30:32 Everytime i've used view pager, i've use it as 1 screen is the full screen. so one "row" would be full screen. not sure if you can do it otherwise though Apr 01 13:30:56 when I replace the fragment, I still see the old one. Apr 01 13:31:23 that won't really make sense on a tablet... Apr 01 13:32:06 DarkSlay3r_: i just found this. maybe something like that is possible Apr 01 13:32:06 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9468581/can-viewpager-have-multiple-views-in-per-page Apr 01 13:38:01 This might just work Apr 01 13:38:11 Thanks jaynewstrom Apr 01 13:39:19 any exaple for extending Android CalenderView widget to change look and feel Apr 01 13:40:25 Cafzalone: it's not easy. there are some open source alternatives that are quite a bit easier to change the look of. Apr 01 13:42:16 jayjayjajay, can you suggest any of them, and is there any simple example code that is available which shows extending CalenderView Apr 01 13:44:31 https://github.com/square/android-times-square is decent. i've used it. haven't tried any of the others. i know there are at least 2 more when i looked into it though Apr 01 13:46:18 jaynewstrom> all saying it is difficult to extend calender view, what is the difficulty that I can expect Apr 01 13:46:26 last i looked at cafzalone, i had to do some reflection to change font colors and what not. i don't know if that has changed though Apr 01 13:47:12 haha. i said your name rather than CalendarView Apr 01 13:47:33 yea LOL :D Apr 01 13:48:00 do you have an example code of the same that I can use Apr 01 13:48:31 i don't. code was from my last job. and i was doing it about a year or more ago now. Apr 01 13:49:53 ok, you know I challenged a guy on this task, now feeeling sad while thinking abt the challenge Apr 01 13:50:11 -_- Apr 01 13:53:15 hi, I'm trying to populate a gridview in a fragment from an AsyncTask in onCreateView, I'm having some problems getting null pointer as I try to set an adapter to the view Apr 01 13:54:59 why getting no response from this node call to mongo? collection.update(arg0, arg1, {upsert:true}, {safe:true}, function(err, result) { … nothing Apr 01 14:01:48 I am really rusty and never was extremely experienced. What options would you suggest a novice in obtaining more specifics from a dictionary in my application? I can't seem to find the right information on it. Apr 01 14:06:28 so apparently I was talking to a null process for 10 minutes Apr 01 14:08:05 ah okay found what I was looking for, was in the copy paste area on dev site. Apr 01 14:08:09 Peace. Apr 01 14:17:36 hi ! Apr 01 14:19:06 anyone know if there is a similar coffescript (as a concept) tool to generate the XML layout android Apr 01 14:20:32 Hi! Apr 01 14:20:49 Whom can I ask about stock browser? Apr 01 14:38:44 Why on Android stock browser (verified both on HTC and Samsung) two paragraphs has different width, depending on background-color property presence? http://i.sgr-a.ru/webkit-bug.html Apr 01 14:46:12 IZH delete the quotes Apr 01 14:46:44 sry Apr 01 14:47:01 i meant to say, you're missing a

on paragraph #2 Apr 01 14:47:13 both actually Apr 01 14:47:44 sabton: What quotes to delete? Around green? Apr 01 14:48:16 nono ignore that, i pasted on accident Apr 01 14:48:20 you are missing closing tags Apr 01 14:48:27 add

's Apr 01 14:48:43 Already. Nothing happens. Apr 01 14:48:58 They are not required since it's not an XHTML. Apr 01 14:50:40 The green paragraph still has width longer then white one. Apr 01 14:50:48 yeah i see, dunno Apr 01 14:51:47 it's honoring the formatting in the source Apr 01 14:51:51 for paragraph #2 Apr 01 14:51:55 like blockquote Apr 01 14:52:50 Yes. The main question is: how setting of background-color affect width. Apr 01 14:53:01 Hello, I can't seem to figure out why when I attach image to my POST then it won't use correct mime-type, it's always "application/octet-stream" Apr 01 14:53:05 http://pastebin.com/myvrwNVv Apr 01 14:55:35 you set it yourself Apr 01 14:55:54 why would it know what to set the type to if you don't set it... Apr 01 15:00:25 IZh: Webkit bug in 3.x, fixed in recent builds. Stock Android browser wasn't updated. Apr 01 15:01:05 pfn: I looked all over and couldn't find how to set it with code I have, could you please give some example Apr 01 15:01:29 the example is to read the docs Apr 01 15:02:44 do I set it in File class, couldn't find anything in it. And I can set it in AQuery only if I use HttpEntity Apr 01 15:03:01 freeone3000: Oh! Could you please provide a description or a link to this bug? I want to read how to make workaround. Apr 01 15:03:55 Or keywords to find it. Apr 01 15:04:30 pfn: could you please nudge me into right direction, what doc should I read to find this out. I have been true AQuery doc multiple times Apr 01 15:05:35 IZh: Essentially, don't set background-color on an element. Apr 01 15:06:03 freeone3000: :-)) Then how to color it? Apr 01 15:06:12 vegetablesalad19, read the aquery docs Apr 01 15:06:13 IZh: And there we go. Apr 01 15:07:28 IZh: On affected systems, setting the background color changes the computed size of the element. Setting the size explicitly overrides this. Not setting the color avoids the issue entirely. Apr 01 15:08:04 private TakePhotoReceiver(Camera mCamera) { Apr 01 15:08:04 this.mCamera = mCamera; Apr 01 15:08:12 mCamera.takePicture(null, null, null, new PictureCallback() Apr 01 15:08:38 im using these methods to take a photo, was just wondering if someone could give me a quick walk through on how to save them to internal storage, cant find anything that seems to work Apr 01 15:10:03 pfn: I searched AQuery docs and wiki for "mime" and 0 results Apr 01 15:10:21 vegetablesalad19, search for type, not mime Apr 01 15:10:39 amazwon: In your PictureCallback, you're given JPEG byte[] data. Open a stream to a file and write it. Apr 01 15:11:36 thanks freeone3000 il work on that part Apr 01 15:13:39 freeone3000: Hmm... Setting the width could help, but I don't know what width to use. Consider a document with some paragraphs highlighted and very wide tables that enlarges document width. (Actually it's an HTML5 specification document ;-).) So what width to use for screen-sized paragraphs? I would like to long tables to hand over the screen but other text should fit into the screen. Apr 01 15:14:46 IZh: 100%. Apr 01 15:15:11 IZh: Unless you mean the tables, in which, yeah, you're sort of out of luck there. The colored tables will be slightly wider than the non-colored tables. Apr 01 15:15:44 IZh: Non-colored tables could have half an em of padding added to each side, which is approximately the amount of additional space that background-color adds, but again, the bug was fixed on more recent webkit. Apr 01 15:15:47 pfn: only thing about mimetype in AQuery doc and wiki is about "makeSharedFile", everything else type related is with server response type. I will go thrue it for 5th time just to make sure Apr 01 15:16:13 vegetablesalad19, docs, not wiki Apr 01 15:16:21 vegetablesalad19, and ask the aquery maintainer/developer/userforum Apr 01 15:16:23 this is not it Apr 01 15:16:28 pfn: docs AND wiki Apr 01 15:16:28 I'm not going to research aquery for you Apr 01 15:16:47 freeone3000: 100% doesn't work in my example. Apr 01 15:16:56 pfn: have you done this? Or you just presume it's there, and I havent looked? Apr 01 15:17:07 I don't use aquery Apr 01 15:17:09 I have no interest in it Apr 01 15:17:28 freeone3000: http://i.sgr-a.ru/webkit-bug2.html Apr 01 15:17:29 what do you use ? Apr 01 15:17:32 and it's 99% that you haven't looked in the right place Apr 01 15:17:37 urlconnection Apr 01 15:18:06 IZh: Yeah, breaks on 4.3, but works on 4.4.2. Apr 01 15:18:21 freeone3000: I have 4.4.2 ;-) Apr 01 15:18:28 freeone3000: HTC One. Apr 01 15:18:33 IZh: Or possibly breaks on LG G2 running 4.3, but works on Galaxy Note 3 running 4.4.2. Who knows what Samsung did to that ROM. Apr 01 15:18:43 pfn: I looked all over wiki and javadocs, don't know where else to look. Apr 01 15:19:00 pfn: anyway thank you for youre time Apr 01 15:20:23 IZh: Just to be sure - you're aware that the size of the element *should* extend past the right of the end of the text column? Apr 01 15:21:03 freeone3000: Probably, yes. Apr 01 15:22:36 freeone3000: All I want is to read some docs on my phone. It can contain oversized elements (like 
 source code examples, tables, etc) and normal or colored text. The goal that presence of over-sized elements shouldn't affect colored text.
Apr 01 15:23:00  Goodday, question here.
Apr 01 15:23:00  pfn: I checked sorcode and ""Content-Type: application/octet-stream"" is hardcoded, so I have 100% looked everywhere and it's not possible without editing source
Apr 01 15:23:15  Freeone3000, So on that take picture, is the picture then stored in (byte[] data ?
Apr 01 15:23:20  freeone3000: My browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.4.2; ru-us; HTC_One Build/KOT49H) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/534.30
Apr 01 15:23:20  Is it possible to remove the status bar on tablets without removing the home/back buttons?
Apr 01 15:24:30  vegetablesalad19, file a bug with aquery
Apr 01 15:24:53  Thandruil: you mean running your app in immersive mode?
Apr 01 15:25:30  Yah, I've removed the title bar, with the style.
Apr 01 15:25:48  But How do I remove the notificationsbar and the "tray"?
Apr 01 15:25:49  IZh: http://i61.tinypic.com/2aev5lz.png is a correct rendering, just so you know.
Apr 01 15:26:50  Thandruil: https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html
Apr 01 15:27:43  Hmm, that's Android 4.4 tho.
Apr 01 15:28:31  Why paragraphs width is not as a screen width? I mean, why it is correct? I could understand if the browser scale down the font so the long line would fits into screen width. But nor long line fits, nor paragraphs.
Apr 01 15:28:31  Tablet's running on 4.1.2 (Galaxy Tab 2 10.1)
Apr 01 15:30:29  freeone3000: What's the rules to render the page "correct" like that?
Apr 01 15:31:17  IZh: Because pixels aren't real pixels, 100% is screen-width, and the browser's default zoom is not 100%.
Apr 01 15:33:06  freeone3000: By the way, could you recommend some books/articles about mobile browser's rendering mode and how it differs from "Desktop view"?
Apr 01 15:33:35  IZh: http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/webview.html
Apr 01 15:36:13  freeone3000: Thank you. It's more from Android app developer's perspective and I'm currently web-apps developer. I need to understand how to adapt my sites to mobile view mode.
Apr 01 15:36:47  IZh: Ah. http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/index.html is an overview from the web dev's perspective.
Apr 01 15:37:11  freeone3000: Thank you. :-)
Apr 01 15:40:04  anyone heard of a 20 bit floating point number?
Apr 01 15:41:13  :-O
Apr 01 15:41:19  it could even be fixed point, but I have 20 bit bit strings, and each one contains some form of number, but they don't seem to be straight integers (I know the normalized 0 to 1 value of each bit string, but not the actual value)
Apr 01 15:42:10  jonc-1: where from you get it?
Apr 01 15:42:16  Bluetooth device
Apr 01 15:42:23  it's the battery level
Apr 01 15:43:07  the library that came with the device has issues, so i've written my own, have most of the sensor data coming in and parsed (typically just different bit length unsigned ints)
Apr 01 15:43:34  is it bad to write to sharedpreferences too frequently?  not from a computational standpoint, but thinking about constant writes to the flash memory.
Apr 01 15:43:42  jonc-1: Often it's a two digit precision * 100 and converted to integer. Like: 89,73% => 8973
Apr 01 15:44:17  0xC6B1A is ~100% battery life,  0xBC6F1 ~80% and 0xBAEEB ~ 67%
Apr 01 15:44:37  jonc-1: Charge to maximum and print the level. ;-) Also it could be a voltage level.
Apr 01 15:44:59  ^ those are the values at different rough percentages
Apr 01 15:45:29  printed the value with their library (which doesn't work consistently, dies if the activity is killed), and then immediately swapped to my library and dumped the hex
Apr 01 15:46:25  jonc-1: Do you know voltage level of your battery? Could it be 1.8 Volts?
Apr 01 15:46:36  no clue
Apr 01 15:46:48  it's built into the device no easy way to open it up
Apr 01 15:47:50  Anyone know if there's a way to communicate with other applications with a rooted device?
Apr 01 15:48:11  bacon1989: Intents, broadcasts, services...
Apr 01 15:48:22  jonc-1: You can discharge your device for a long time (until 0%) and grab all of the values.
Apr 01 15:48:44  freeone3000: so only through normal means, I mean accessing the SQL database from some other application, starting other applications, stopping other applications. Uninstalling other applications
Apr 01 15:48:45  jonc-1: Then it will be more easy to correlate bits.
Apr 01 15:48:59  jonc-1: Twenty exactly? That looks like 40.
Apr 01 15:49:30  By the way, 3 bytes is a 24.
Apr 01 15:49:38  bacon1989: First two can be done by normal means, last two can be done by shell commands.
Apr 01 15:49:52  ah ok
Apr 01 15:49:54  1 hex = 4 bits
Apr 01 15:49:58  5 hex bits = 4 bits
Apr 01 15:50:06  5 hex digits*
Apr 01 15:50:09  =20 bits
Apr 01 15:50:49  C6B1AC6B1AC6B1AC6B1AC6B1AC6B1AC6B1D00001   The full 20 byte data packet in hex, a repeating 5 hex digits until the last one + a counter
Apr 01 15:51:06  jonc-1: What is the device?
Apr 01 15:51:13  a biosensor watch
Apr 01 15:52:04  Type a model, I'll try to find a protocol. ;-)
Apr 01 15:52:32  it's proprietary and typically a research device, it doesn't use the standard bluetooth protocols unfortunately
Apr 01 15:52:39  How do I make a fullscreen app where the UI/softkeys only comes in on an edge swipe?
Apr 01 15:52:39  bluetooth low energy*
Apr 01 15:52:55  FireBreath "immersive mode"
Apr 01 15:53:21  3.7V battery
Apr 01 15:53:36  260mA
Apr 01 15:54:36  ugh, wtf is up with maven... it says I have a duplicate file if I try to filter a resources file
Apr 01 15:55:39  coulomb counting seems to be the standard way in modern electronics
Apr 01 15:58:08  everytime I tell myself i'm going to learn to code again I open up the same android project, run into the same issue, smash my head against a keyboard, and resign to trying to figure it out the next time.
Apr 01 15:59:42  jonc-1: Devices with radios don't have constant discharge. Standard for Lions is voltage differential (since they have really big curves).
Apr 01 16:00:21  which means I'd need to know the curve for that specific battery?
Apr 01 16:00:36  jonc-1: You've got the voltage and amperage, that's enough for the curve.
Apr 01 16:03:25  jonc-1: 20-bit is also suspiciously telling, as is the huge jump from 100% to 80% and the significantly smaller jump from 80% to 67% that they're using voltage.
Apr 01 16:03:33  jonc-1: Discharge it once to 0% and log all values.
Apr 01 16:03:35  jonc-1: (20-volt op-amps are a nickel.)
Apr 01 16:03:49  Err. 20-bit, not 20-volt.
Apr 01 16:04:05  By the way, it could be a logarithmic scale...
Apr 01 16:04:24  IZh: The discharge for lion batteries is an s-curve.
Apr 01 16:04:31  Hi Guys, any one willing to help? on line 106: mCamera = getCameraInstance(); I get NullPointerException, i don't why. http://pastebin.com/fM5XPuTY
Apr 01 16:05:07  androidnewb: Line 223. Do something when you get that exception. Anything.
Apr 01 16:05:49  freeone3000: ok. thanks!
Apr 01 16:09:46  freeone3000: I put logCat on line 223, there no problem, i don't see the logcat
Apr 01 16:10:55  androidnewb: And your NullPointerException lists line 106?
Apr 01 16:11:47  freeone3000: Yeah, the was my first NullPointerException, also line 110
Apr 01 16:12:03  I already put mCamera.open() before line 110
Apr 01 16:13:00  androidnewb: Pastebin your stacktrace.
Apr 01 16:13:18  freeone3000: ok. hold on, brb.
Apr 01 16:13:39  Why would Theme.Holo.NoActionBar.Fullscreen ... have an action bar
Apr 01 16:16:44  freeone3000: here the code I used http://pastebin.com/TzmiJb3g and here the screeshot of the error http://s28.postimg.org/hbfhxjygd/Screen_Shot_2014_04_01_at_11_14_42_AM.png
Apr 01 16:16:59  androidnewb: It's *text*. You can copy-paste it.
Apr 01 16:17:31  androidnewb: That's also not the code you used, since line 150 is a try statement.
Apr 01 16:17:36  freeone3000: your talking about the text in the log cat?
Apr 01 16:17:41  androidnewb: Yes.
Apr 01 16:18:00  yea, this is the new code http://pastebin.com/TzmiJb3g
Apr 01 16:18:26  freeone3000: i don't know how to copy the text in the logcat
Apr 01 16:18:43  Ctrl+C
Apr 01 16:19:18  select it in the terminal with your mouse and middle-click elsewhere to paste it
Apr 01 16:20:13  ok , Crtl+C works for me
Apr 01 16:22:54  hi. I am trying to compile a weather program for android but I get the error: /home/khronos/android/android-ndk-r9/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.8/prebuilt/linux-x86/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-linux-androideabi/4.8/../../../../arm-linux-androideabi/bin/ld: error: cannot find -lc
Apr 01 16:23:37  but I added libc.so to the Makefile
Apr 01 16:24:34  LIBS = -L/usr/local/trmm/lib /home/khronos/android/android-ndk-r9/platforms/android-9/arch-arm/usr/lib/libz.so /home/khronos/android/android-ndk-r9/platforms/android-9/arch-arm/usr/lib/libm.so /home/khronos/android/android-ndk-r9/platforms/android-9/arch-arm/usr/lib/libc.so
Apr 01 16:25:45  Is there any way to make the Main Activity's title different from the launcher title?
Apr 01 16:26:47  setTitle
Apr 01 16:26:55  does anyone know a quick solution as why this is not working on my phone, but is working on my emulator, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28711d3&s=8#.UzroqvldX4Y
Apr 01 16:29:56  amazwon: Full stacktrace, as text, please.
Apr 01 16:39:12  how do i full stacktrace as text?
Apr 01 16:41:53  http://pastebin.com/uVBTuzfr
Apr 01 16:41:58  thats the full code
Apr 01 16:42:07  amagad.. figured out immersive mode without everything reappearing on each touch event.  brain hurts from too much headdesk
Apr 01 17:03:18  http://pastebin.com/uVBTuzfr
Apr 01 17:03:30  anyone know a quick solution as to why this work on emulator but not on my device?
Apr 01 17:05:08  are ypu building for an api level your device does not support?
Apr 01 17:05:13  Is there a way to get com.google.android.maps.MapView to work inside fragments?
Apr 01 17:06:42  I have compile with 19 target 18
Apr 01 17:20:39  hey everyone !
Apr 01 17:20:41  I use this line 	OutputStream os = new FileOutputStream(file); , this is holding an image from my camera take photo, can someone please just give me a little hand in storing photos so they store all of them, atm i only store one and it over writes
Apr 01 17:21:05  amazwon, file needs to be a new file name
Apr 01 17:21:13  amazwon: you have to generate a filename
Apr 01 17:21:21  maube use timestamp
Apr 01 17:21:37  if you use the same File file for each one, you will overwrite
Apr 01 17:22:11  programming is not for all people
Apr 01 17:23:38  Quick Question : Today I published my one app, here I am waiting for last 15 hours, yet still not on Google Play, It takes generally max 2-3 hour. What could be reason that it still not live
Apr 01 17:24:18  this has taken me ages to get to here, would you suggest to put it in straight under the os.close() or under the media scanner connection? http://pastebin.com/Kek0Xfg5
Apr 01 17:27:34  if anyone knows a good tutorial for how to do this i would appreciate it, keep getting mixed up, im new to this
Apr 01 17:27:56  TGMCians: usually within 5-10 minutes for me...
Apr 01 17:28:34  what's the package name, i can see if it shows for me
Apr 01 17:28:39  amazwon: the android dev site has tons of tutoarials, including how to take pictures
Apr 01 17:28:58  amazwon: have you looked there?
Apr 01 17:29:27  well i just need to save these photos from this code, yeah looked everywhere for over a week on this now/learning tuts at the same time, still missing something
Apr 01 17:29:48  wat?
Apr 01 17:30:17  iv been searching all over the net, everything i do doesnt seem to work, i think im going the wrong way about doing it
Apr 01 17:30:26  the very first result in google search for "android take picture" is the google developer tutorial on how to take a picture
Apr 01 17:30:44  you are googling wrong
Apr 01 17:30:48  http://developer.android.com/training/camera/photobasics.html
Apr 01 17:30:52  Anyone know what options I might need to set on UniversalImageLoader such that two separate calls for the same URL will have 2 onLoadComplete calls?
Apr 01 17:30:53  yes, i have been through that code many times, but cannot work out how to implement it into my code
Apr 01 17:31:12  are you a developer?
Apr 01 17:31:41  student
Apr 01 17:31:59  FireBreath : yes, it takes maximum 2-3 hours, but In my case, still app not live, it has been more than 15 hours
Apr 01 17:32:00  i just finished a 40 hour course
Apr 01 17:32:19  i'd suggest learning a bit about developing for android before copy pasting code everywhere - you will just get confused, mad, and discouraged
Apr 01 17:32:54  40 hours is barely enough - what did you learn in 40 hours?
Apr 01 17:32:55  TGMCians: what's the package name.. i can see if it shows?
Apr 01 17:33:30  I can attest that copy pasting code everywhere and coming here every 2 seconds when it blows up.. is.. quite frustrating.
Apr 01 17:33:32  yeah iv done that aswell, started off about 8 weeks ago learning through a java book, then went to android dev, then just done a 40 hour course on java again as was getting nowhere, only got 4 weeks now and got 15k words to do and finish a basic app so just need to save these files and im done for the app
Apr 01 17:33:49  FireBreath : com.smartfuzz.android
Apr 01 17:34:14  regreddit: you suggest that that code on the camera link where it saves can be easily implemented into my code??
Apr 01 17:34:27  hmmm yeah not showing up.   honestly never seen that, and I've deployed 3-4 dozen apps and uncountable updates
Apr 01 17:34:43  Any solution ?
Apr 01 17:34:49  after 3-4 hours everything always appears unless there's an issue
Apr 01 17:34:56  you can try the usual unpublish/republish
Apr 01 17:35:27  Is there anything forum to contact with Google Guys for this ?
Apr 01 17:35:31  amazwon: that code can be implemented in ANY code
Apr 01 17:36:01  TGMCians: and your dev console shows is as "Published" and offers you a link to "View in google play store" .. which goes to a not found page?
Apr 01 17:36:23  Yes
Apr 01 17:37:31  i;d try dev support then:  https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/?rd=1#contact=1&topic=3450769
Apr 01 17:41:44  Anybody got a recommendation for online course or book that would be a good introduction to Android coding for somebody who has a basic (though outdated) knowledge of java coding?
Apr 01 17:42:43  why not start from here: http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html ?
Apr 01 17:43:28  Well.. I do use that as a reference.. but was hoping for something a little more guided to walk through how things work rather than copy/pasting code exaples and seeing things work.
Apr 01 17:43:58  Like I just went to a half dozen sites to figure out how to get immersive mode working... it works now.. my action bar is gone.. not sure why, or how, or what I'd do to undo it.. but it's gone! :)
Apr 01 18:01:22  anyone use Jenkins + gradle to build ypur Android app?
Apr 01 18:01:44  leeeeeeroy jenkins!!!!!!
Apr 01 18:01:52  Trying to figure put how to integrate an external gradle.properties file into the build
Apr 01 18:04:40  oooh, i think i may have a way, by injecting environment variables in the build.gradle
Apr 01 18:04:41  Hi, so I can get my app to make a call with an intent Intent.ACTION_CALL, however, is there a way for my App to know if its actually ringing ?
Apr 01 18:05:53  I am getting a parse error on this xml file
Apr 01 18:05:58  http://pastebin.com/k4c2AgjL
Apr 01 18:06:11  not that demons can be
Apr 01 18:06:48  I've closed and opened ecplise thousand times
Apr 01 18:12:06  my eclipse has demons
Apr 01 18:12:19  ?????????????????
Apr 01 18:12:23  maybe* your eclipse had demons
Apr 01 18:12:34 * Unknown0BC laughs silently
Apr 01 18:13:51  spooky.
Apr 01 18:18:03  is the only reason/motivation to use fragments in activities is for muti-paned ui's ?
Apr 01 18:18:19  *multi
Apr 01 18:19:59  they remind me of framesets in html.
Apr 01 18:21:32  rsz, I use fragments as a full page, so I may have nested fragments to make up different parts of a ui
Apr 01 18:22:17  I use a single activity for my entire app, and use Fragments to be the UI minus a possible title bar that I have in the activity's layout
Apr 01 18:26:00  @reggedit, if you get a minute spare could you possibly show me how, Iv just done it and trying to intergrate it and boiling my brain over it, even tho it looks so easy
Apr 01 18:27:14  jonc-1, now the sound like iframe! :-)
Apr 01 18:27:24  *they
Apr 01 18:29:07  amazwon: not really, but if you can pastebin the errors you are getting, and i can take a peek - it sounds like you are not familiar with the android development environment, so my suggestion is to do some more tutoarials
Apr 01 18:29:22  starying withe the ones on The Android Developer site
Apr 01 18:29:41  This code is generating the error "Cannot read property "style" of null: http://pastebin.com/we2dPQQi
Apr 01 18:29:50  any help would be truly appreciated
Apr 01 18:29:59  I'm developing a library for android that contains an activity and a wrapper function to launch it with some default initialization, etc..  I've managed to create a working build of the .jar, and an app that uses it.
Apr 01 18:30:23  However now I'm trying to reproduce the steps, and I'm running into runtime errors with classdefnotfound; really having a hard time tracking down where I missed a step
Apr 01 18:31:29  Does anyone have recommendations for a step-by-step guide for building and including a .jar with class definitions, then using it elsewhere?  I feel like I've tried every variation of including the .jar in various directories and export options, etc in eclipse
Apr 01 18:31:30  fredhead: I would guess that it's something declared in your Manifest or styles.xml
Apr 01 18:35:00  notbryant: I don't have a styles.xml, but here is my manifest: http://pastebin.com/U3xDufRY
Apr 01 18:36:55  The error now says "04-01 11:36:15.907: E/GooglePlayServicesUtil(20904): The Google Play services resources were not found. Check your project configuration to ensure that the resources are included.
Apr 01 18:37:28  I know I have google play services hooked up because my ads are running, I wonder what I'm missing.
Apr 01 18:38:00  Might anyone know why when I make two calls to UniversalImageLoader with the same URL yet a different Listener, only one listener gets an onLoadComplete call?
Apr 01 18:38:16  fredhead: not really sure, googling that error, it sounds like it's actually JS, so I'm clueless
Apr 01 18:39:22  the first error, that is
Apr 01 18:39:40  the first error is no longer showing up, only the second.
Apr 01 18:41:53  I've never used the Google Play Services so I am of no help here
Apr 01 18:47:43  I am a complete newbie to eclipse development for android. Should I be inserting my code in the FullScreenActivity.java file or somewhere else?
Apr 01 18:48:02  for example, for creating an imageview
Apr 01 18:48:28  DoYouKnow, if you're a complete newbie you should definitely 1) Uninstall Eclipse, 2) Get Android Studio
Apr 01 18:48:44  the easiest way to get started would probably be to lay the view out in the xml file
Apr 01 18:48:56  thanks dbro
Apr 01 18:49:21  see the setContentView(R.layout.xxx) call in FullScreenActivity.java? Find that layout file in res/layout/ and add an ImageView element
Apr 01 18:49:33  but I'm telling you you'll have a much better time learning the new tools
Apr 01 18:49:57  ok, sounds logical
Apr 01 18:56:48  With, android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice how do I check the items? When I touch the item it highlights but does not become checked
Apr 01 19:00:39  @reggesit still around?
Apr 01 19:01:15  I got my code compiling now, tried adding in time stamp, got program shut down as soon as it installs, if anyone could give me a tip would appreciate it, http://pastebin.com/mN8THvbr
Apr 01 19:01:39  problem with saving, as soon as photo is taken, needs to save, the problem occured while trying to save the file
Apr 01 19:06:33  Silly question : I am looking for ffmpeg official library for android, I did not find anything on their site, Any link please if you have
Apr 01 19:07:24  TGMCians i dont think there is. i know people have compiled it
Apr 01 19:08:02  okay g00s
Apr 01 19:10:06  amazwon: look at the logs
Apr 01 19:10:22  Is there a way to get ARGB of a single pixel without using something huge like monkeyrunner's takeSnaphot? It takes too long.
Apr 01 19:10:44  draw your view to a canvas
Apr 01 19:10:48  and take the argb of a pixel on it
Apr 01 19:11:17  the docs say Service.stopForeground(boolean) should take down the ongoing notification, but in my case its not. neither is sopSelf(). the service is being destroyed, but its startForeground(notification) is not going away. what am i doing wrong ?
Apr 01 19:11:35  g00s, you probably posted that notification manually
Apr 01 19:11:38  or you're passing the wrong ID
Apr 01 19:11:41  TGMCians: I put together a bunch of scripts for building ffmpeg for Android: https://github.com/OnlyInAmerica/FFmpeg-Android
Apr 01 19:11:58  I also have pre-built .sos I can send you for proof-of-concept
Apr 01 19:12:15  the ID is correct - BUT I am updating the notification after startForeground - does that mean I need to cancel it manually then?
Apr 01 19:12:25  yes
Apr 01 19:12:25  i must have missed that in the docs
Apr 01 19:12:28  ok, thx
Apr 01 19:12:44  wow- g00s up early :)
Apr 01 19:12:47  pfn, and if I am trying to get a pixel from an app that is not mine?
Apr 01 19:12:55  g00s, you'll see that after you stopForeground the notification is no longer ongoing
Apr 01 19:13:13  has anyone built an android app using androiud scripting (python) but used an  embedded web server and built UI with web tech (CSS/JS/HTML)
Apr 01 19:13:28  g00s, i.e. you can swipe it off
Apr 01 19:13:34  pfn huh weird, i can't swipe it
Apr 01 19:13:42  in fact, the swipe icon isn't even there
Apr 01 19:13:45  then your service hasn't stopped
Apr 01 19:13:54  or you set the flag ONGOING in your notification
Apr 01 19:14:00  the service is stopped and destroyed according to dumpsys
Apr 01 19:14:09  don't set the ongoing flag
Apr 01 19:14:14  so i think i must have updated this notification in  a way
Apr 01 19:14:52  i will change this .setOngoing(true) -> false
Apr 01 19:15:01  for the builder, maybe thats also messing it up
Apr 01 19:16:16  wow, more rain
Apr 01 19:16:20 * pfn looks out his office window
Apr 01 19:19:14  anyone used android scripting
Apr 01 19:19:20  interesting. so i flipped the notificationBuilder .setOngoing(true) -> false, and after the service quit the 'swipe away' icon appeared.
Apr 01 19:19:31  (SL4A)
Apr 01 19:19:51  i wonder if i should leave it like that or just cancel it altogether now.
Apr 01 19:21:30  i'll also cancel it, since its oh yes, shit its april 1
Apr 01 19:22:14  yes capella my neighbor's door is smacking against the railing, can't sleep through it
Apr 01 19:22:40  blowing in the wind kinda thing??
Apr 01 19:22:52  yeah
Apr 01 19:23:12  hrmph ... must control ... fist of death ...
Apr 01 19:23:55  i almost forgot about april 1 though ...
Apr 01 19:24:09  android development environment is sooooo sloooow
Apr 01 19:24:10  did you guys get that freenode notification saying they converted all your accounts to Google+
Apr 01 19:24:11  on windows
Apr 01 19:24:11  haha
Apr 01 19:24:42  http://blog.freenode.net/
Apr 01 19:25:03  oh noes !!!
Apr 01 19:25:07  DoYouKnow, get more ram?
Apr 01 19:25:21  DoYouKnow also use fast emu or genymotion
Apr 01 19:25:57  ok
Apr 01 19:26:16  dbro : yes please if you can
Apr 01 19:26:41  oh, a new version of genymotion is out
Apr 01 19:27:00  TGMCians: Haven't combined them all into one .so : https://github.com/Kickflip/kickflip-android-sdk/tree/preview/sdk/src/main/jniLibs/armeabi
Apr 01 19:27:16  but you can check out that project's structure for an example of how to use it
Apr 01 19:27:33  hmm
Apr 01 19:39:27  Hi can anyone help me? I trying to record a video after I stop the Recording I get an error http://pastebin.com/cSM7wTws , also the preview screen is missed up when recording
Apr 01 19:45:39  androidnewb : post your error
Apr 01 19:45:42  huh, this is so weird. so in my service i startForeground (a notification) and then update that a few times. onDestroy has stopForeground(true). now … when the service stopSelfs() with no UI bound to it, the service gets destroyed and notification STAYS but is no longer ongoing (so swip icon appears). but if the UI is bound to it when it stopSelfs, icon stays until unbinding and then completely disappears
Apr 01 19:46:19  so many weird corner cases in the android framework
Apr 01 19:47:26  i would expected the same behavior, notification stays but is not ongoing
Apr 01 19:47:45  but apparently overlapping bind / startService() lifecycle seems to modify this
Apr 01 19:48:30  When I task switch to another app and then back to mine.. I lose Immersive mode... how to enforce that it is always immerisve ?
Apr 01 19:49:08  FireBreath i guess i would stuff that as a flag in ONsaveInstanceState
Apr 01 19:49:21  when you come back, see if you were in immersive, and then take action
Apr 01 19:49:43  just guessing, if the docs don't say
Apr 01 19:49:54  in onResume
Apr 01 19:50:48  Okay, I'm noob.  I used the wizard in Eclipse to create a new app.  It has a titlebar (or action bar?) and I don't want that.   People at Stackoverflow mostly recommend changing AndroidManifest to use  but that somehow feels shaky with all the style.xml files.  What's the proper or "academic" way fixing it?
Apr 01 19:54:27  Zta thats correct way
Apr 01 19:54:58  is there a way to set an app's MainActivity's title and not have the launcher name change too?  also, without flickering the title when the app first starts (happens when I use setTitle).  There must be a way, the gmail app does it.
Apr 01 19:55:15  fg
Apr 01 19:55:19  oops sorry
Apr 01 19:55:29  Zta the alternative is saying requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE); in each activity, which seems to be a pain
Apr 01 19:56:09  theblang hmm, i think i read something about that
Apr 01 19:56:25  g00s ive read through several SO questions, but can't find a good solution so far
Apr 01 19:56:50  theblang try this http://cyrilmottier.com/2013/01/23/android-app-launching-made-gorgeous/
Apr 01 19:57:51  not sure about the title thing though
Apr 01 19:58:17  if I add the imageView1 as an ImageView to the xml file do I need to still create an object imageView1 in the code?
Apr 01 19:59:28  DoYouKnow: If you want to interact with the View — say add an OnClickListener — otherwise no
Apr 01 19:59:52  g00s I could always do a splash screen I guess, lol
Apr 01 19:59:57  g00s: I was thinking perhaps it was possible to inherit from a style that uses a theme without actionbar.
Apr 01 20:00:29  i thought thats what android:style/Theme.NoTitleBar was
Apr 01 20:01:38  But it doesn't work.  It crashes and says I need to use a style that inherits from Theme.AppCompat..
Apr 01 20:02:11  is there Theme.AppCompat.NoTitleBar ?
Apr 01 20:02:30  hey guys
Apr 01 20:02:53  this is probably very simple and I asked a bit before but am still not really sure/confident
Apr 01 20:02:58  https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/status.html
Apr 01 20:02:58  g00s: nope
Apr 01 20:03:01  I'm working on this: http://cdn1.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/03/Twitch1.jpg
Apr 01 20:03:10  that's our iOS app. I'm doing the Android app
Apr 01 20:03:26  working on the navigation drawer (you can see what it looks like on iOS on the right side of that link)
Apr 01 20:03:29  Zta see ^^^
Apr 01 20:03:38  g00s: seems i figured it out with onWindowFocusChanged
Apr 01 20:03:43  g00s: titlebar, actionbar, statusbar... many names.  Yes, thanks for the link, I'll look into it.
Apr 01 20:04:07  Would you make a list with several special elements in it to handle things like the dividers and the dynamic navigation and static nav?
Apr 01 20:04:16  Or would you split it into separate lists somehow?
Apr 01 20:04:31  What's the most correct way to handle that navigation?
Apr 01 20:07:31  dbro: it's not working
Apr 01 20:08:00  dbro: I have the xml for the imageview in activity_main.xml
Apr 01 20:08:09  id/imageView1
Apr 01 20:08:23  @+id/imageView1
Apr 01 20:09:25  and I also put an imageloader.getinstance().displayimage(url, imageView1)
Apr 01 20:09:42  I'm trying to use the universal image loader library
Apr 01 20:09:59  DoYouKnow: Did you get a reference to imageView1 like:  ImageView imageView1 = (ImageView) findViewById(R.id.imageView1);
Apr 01 20:10:27  brb
Apr 01 20:10:39  no, I didn't do that
Apr 01 20:10:45  I've seen something like that in .NET though
Apr 01 20:11:48  Should I really extend ActionBarActivity now that I don't want an ActionBar?
Apr 01 20:12:58  g00s ahh, I was overlooking something in this answer.  this is how to do it http://stackoverflow.com/a/7250902/1747491
Apr 01 20:37:59  lol is there really no way to get all markers from a google map? You have to keep your own collection?
Apr 01 20:38:07  ProgramMax multiple listviews, with seperate adapters, is probably the easiest.  that is how I would probably do it.
Apr 01 20:43:52  bankai_au a Manning book on Rx :)
Apr 01 20:44:03  but its in scala; not sure i'll understand it
Apr 01 20:45:31  why insist on using java?
Apr 01 20:48:27  hi , i have problem on animation imageview  .
Apr 01 20:48:37  i created a loader that infinite roate while content fetch from server done,but in this case when i user
Apr 01 20:48:49  theblang Is there a way to make the listview's height the correct height for the contents?
Apr 01 20:49:35  rotate device and change orientation, image find new angle , instead rotate  themself
Apr 01 20:49:54  and make big cycle on rotating
Apr 01 20:50:01  how can i fix this issue
Apr 01 20:51:56  i can't find any solution on web , because rotate animations and screen orientation has lot's meaning in other cases
Apr 01 20:52:52  any idea?
Apr 01 20:55:13  ProgramMax just making it wrap_content should work right?
Apr 01 20:57:00  sweet. Awesome. Thanks :D (I don't know why I brain-farted on that one)
Apr 01 20:58:01  ProgramMax haha, np!  im actually working on nav drawer myself atm
Apr 01 21:43:40  is there an easy way to always recreate the activity when going back in the activity stack?
Apr 01 21:48:00  wtf is up with the new humble bundle, 2 of the games there are repeats
Apr 01 21:49:19  hello
Apr 01 21:49:49  i have an actionbar menu item but when i click it, it dowsnt trigger the onOptionsItemSelected
Apr 01 21:49:53  what could be the problem?
Apr 01 21:50:04  the action item is on a fragment
Apr 01 21:54:45  Good afternoon ;)
Apr 01 21:56:30  I've been tinkering with AdMob the last few days, I was wondering if anyone has noticed since they updated the SDK that when the frames render, there is a drop in performance? I've been searching around, found a few complaints, but I can't tell if my phone is dying or if it's something they changed.
Apr 01 21:59:52  Hi Autumn guy.  I just added admob to my app and did not its not as responsive.  I thought it was just me.
Apr 01 22:02:25  RetroDude: Nope, it seems to be quite laggy, at least on my phones. I have two devices I test with, and they seem a bit odd. The Google forums (support lol) show a lot of people complaining about various issues the last few days.
Apr 01 22:02:35  I know they just recently changed the way the ads are handled and added new analytics and such.
Apr 01 22:07:28  Hi Guys, I've been following this tutorial http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html  and my video capture seems to be working expect when I start recording, the preview recording screen flickers, it changes the screen size when recording
Apr 01 22:37:59  Are there any rules that must be followed when creating a launcher icon?
Apr 01 23:04:37  Hello! I have a question about ContentProviders and the way they notify CursorAdapters. If I, for example, notify the following URI when I insert a row content://com.example/table/1 will a Loader query made to content://com.example/table be notified?
Apr 01 23:04:47  I'm guessing yes...
Apr 01 23:07:33  Now, if I notify the same row content://com.example/table/1, but this time the query was made to content://com.example/table/filter will this be notified too?
Apr 01 23:08:19  hello
Apr 01 23:08:25  is there a class that draw on cartesian plane a 'simple' math function? like log(x), sin(x), etc.
Apr 01 23:20:20  greetings android developers.  In my app, I want to make it so if the users presses the power button that the game will reset all states/variables for the next instance.  Where can I find this poweroff action?
Apr 01 23:32:58  hi all anyone expert for database sqlite android?
Apr 01 23:35:01  I knw you guys will just discourage me from doing this, but how do I get IntelliJ to track changes to the out dir?:P
Apr 01 23:35:10  aka, i want my apk in git
Apr 01 23:35:25  i already have it added
Apr 01 23:35:39  it just doesn't seem to recognize changes, keeps the version I added long ago
Apr 01 23:36:57  pretty sure you need to remove old version and add the new every time
Apr 01 23:37:04 * JesusFreke provides the requisite "don't do that" :)
Apr 01 23:38:15  git really only diffs text files, not binary
Apr 01 23:40:18  Hi, i have a Google wallet merchant account, but it does not request my payment method
Apr 01 23:41:14  i want to insert my db sqlite via json on server, anyone know how to do it i'm found is http://gedelumbung.com/phonegap-tutorial-menampilkan-dan-parsing-data-json-dari-web-services-android-ios/ maybe is work on eclipse bro? or do you have a completed tutorial about that?
Apr 01 23:44:11  is there anyone have a Google Wallet Merchant Account?
Apr 01 23:47:17  I am looking for an android dev to make an app for me
Apr 01 23:47:21  I can pay in dogecoins
Apr 01 23:48:45  good luck with that
Apr 01 23:50:12  how to get file database on server to sqlite android, i will try some tutorial on google but i'm confused
Apr 01 23:51:30  lol daemon35, are you serious?
Apr 01 23:52:29  daemon35 april 1, ha !
Apr 01 23:52:41  i am seriois
Apr 01 23:52:45  serious
Apr 01 23:52:55  me too :)
Apr 01 23:52:59  daemon35: in case you are serious, you might read /topic ;)
Apr 01 23:53:19  oh
Apr 01 23:53:29  o
Apr 01 23:53:30  k
Apr 01 23:53:40  well does anyone know where I can post this job?
Apr 01 23:53:54  craigslist
Apr 01 23:54:14  dogelist
Apr 01 23:54:20  reddit? or maybe, gasp, 4chan
Apr 01 23:54:27  (/b/ for extra hilarity)
Apr 01 23:54:43  dogelist looks useful
Apr 01 23:54:58 * p_l now probably nulled his "good deeds count" for last month
Apr 01 23:55:47  you can on reddit, but honestly... you won't be able to find a developer worth a damn that will accept dogecoin
Apr 01 23:56:14  Dogecoins might blow up like bitcoins did
Apr 01 23:56:42  pretty much guaranteed to
Apr 01 23:57:02  hey doesn't square take bitcoins now ?
Apr 01 23:57:26  yes, square market
Apr 01 23:57:28  bitcoins have the advantage of having certain amount of mass
Apr 02 00:04:02  thing is that i have binary files in other dirs that get updated fine
Apr 02 00:04:24  it's just the out folder that's getting ignored (and no it's not in a .gitignore)
Apr 02 00:10:50  Hi all. I'm trying to add some bitmaps to my project. I got a URL ref for them, but I'd like to cache them from the HttpResponse input stream. Is this a viable option, and if so, how would I do it?
Apr 02 00:11:17  so far i've only dealt with getting JSON objects from a inpustream
Apr 02 00:12:50  BitmapFactory.decodeStream
Apr 02 00:14:31  Cool, thanks
Apr 02 00:20:12  i have some question about Google Wallet Merchant Account, is there anyone have it?
Apr 02 00:20:56  I have been researching android Dialog, I am working on making a Dialog with a list of colors (not nessecarily as an actual `list) similar to the layout here http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/02/android-layout-tricks-1.html - should I be using DialogFragment or what is the best way to do this?
Apr 02 00:34:00  How do I track if the screen is off or on so that I can execute certain code if the phone is turned off during the running of my app?
Apr 02 00:35:00  emem, http://thinkandroid.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/handling-screen-off-and-screen-on-intents/
Apr 02 00:36:40  you can catch USER_PRESENT broadcast
Apr 02 00:36:45  aretecode: yes, dialogfragment
Apr 02 00:37:43  bankai_au, thank you! Is the one on http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html sufficient?
Apr 02 00:38:37  sure, why not....
Apr 02 00:42:06  is it bad design to write a couple of values to a database in the onPause() method of a fragment or should i write them to variables there and do the db writes onStop() or similar?
Apr 02 00:44:25  teasp00n the hardcore approach is to handoff the write to a service
Apr 02 00:44:56  (write off the UI thread)
Apr 02 00:45:15  g00s: true, don't really have time to implement something like that. could offload to a worker thread i spose
Apr 02 00:45:47  if its just a small write, i guess the safest would be to write the values on the main thread before onPause finishes
Apr 02 00:46:17  g00s: yeah its a small write - single tuple gets updated or inserted
Apr 02 00:46:35  yeah … maybe flag with // FIXME for future consideration
Apr 02 00:47:00  yeah, sounds good
Apr 02 00:52:19  bankai_au there is a new Rx book from Manning (MEAP) so its unfinished.
Apr 02 00:52:25  its in Scala though
Apr 02 00:52:32  meh @ scala
Apr 02 00:52:41  i got bitten by Rx today :|
Apr 02 00:52:49  did it hurt? or was it a sexy bite? ;)
Apr 02 00:53:21  i thought if i had a Subject and I unsubscribed from it, that its observer would not be called any more … not the case. not sure if its a bug or not
Apr 02 00:54:21  so in my service i was unsubscribing , and another thread sent an event which posted a android Notification after the service was detroyed
Apr 02 00:54:33  oh haha
Apr 02 00:54:39  how long did that take to figure out ?
Apr 02 00:54:47  ffuu like 4 hours
Apr 02 00:57:07  does this mean you solved your problem ?
Apr 02 00:58:55  yeah, in onNext() i have if (unSubscribed()) return
Apr 02 00:59:16  changed Action1 to Subscriber so i could query isUnsubscribed
Apr 02 00:59:23  but still, seems hacky
Apr 02 00:59:34  wonder if i should file a bug
Apr 02 01:00:30  i'm not sure it is a bug
Apr 02 01:00:36  me neither
Apr 02 01:08:59  rx isn't all that great is it :p
Apr 02 01:09:21  I still don't understand why you guys are bananas for it
Apr 02 01:34:29  bankai_au one thing that worked pretty well today; i had a few Subscriptions in a fragment (gotta unsubscribe in onStop). i used a CompositeSubscription which manages all of them. seems decent
Apr 02 01:35:12  hi here. is there something particular to keep in mind while using cursor / loader / adapter / litsview and a sort order clause ?
Apr 02 01:35:25  I ask this cause I face some strange behavior
Apr 02 01:35:36  not that i can think of
Apr 02 01:36:08  of course, its up to the provider to sort the way you want
Apr 02 01:36:54  the content provider impl honor the sort order clause provided to the query() method, and actually sorts the result set
Apr 02 01:40:15  but when 1) the cursor loader is initialized 2) the list view correctly shows the result set with ID DESC order 3) I insert a new row, with obvioulsy ID > last ID 4) then list view seems to confuse the row when invoking bindView() on the adapter
Apr 02 01:43:12  chris-marl your own provider ?
Apr 02 01:45:31  Question. How would I encapsulate a string, if the string contains "? Example string = "  He said "that's cool"!  ";
Apr 02 01:46:35  ThomQ, escape the " with \"
Apr 02 01:47:29  yes own provider and I think the query() impl is ok (ui tested)
Apr 02 01:47:29  the strange behavior only occurs when I insert a new row while the adapter is already "watching" the ID DESC  sorted cursor
Apr 02 01:47:55  is it possible to build a gradle project from maven
Apr 02 01:48:38  thanks Frank
Apr 02 01:48:40  chris-marl only thing i can think of is that query() isn't notifying of a Uri change, leading to some weirdness. i've never had a problem
Apr 02 01:49:07  i mean, update/delete/insert isn't notifying the uri
Apr 02 01:49:19  or the Uri tree isn't matching
Apr 02 01:49:44  The query() impl does the classic cursor.setNotificationUri(getContext().getContentResolver(), uri);
Apr 02 01:49:53  yeah
Apr 02 01:50:09  and update/insert/delete the also classic getContext().getContentResolver().notifyChange(pmsgUri,null);
Apr 02 01:54:09  chris-marl nothing comes to mind. i'd try the following for debugging
Apr 02 01:54:28  set ob your own ContentObserver, and in onChange() log to see if its firing as expected
Apr 02 01:54:43  also use the cursor.dump() to see whats being delivered by the loader
Apr 02 01:55:27  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/DatabaseUtils.html#dumpCursor(android.database.Cursor)
Apr 02 01:56:06  sometimes observer's won't fire if notifyDescendants is false, but i would imagine CursorLoader did that
Apr 02 01:56:36  but i'm not sure if you are getting the right data back from the loader and its just not processing right in the adapter
Apr 02 01:58:58  the data are ok, it's the adapter that call bindView() after I call swapCursor() on the adapter, on the onLoadFinish() event of the cursor
Apr 02 01:59:44  I can see in the log the adapetr rebind the exisiting view with the new result set (cursor), before invoking newView() to create the ne row
Apr 02 02:00:38  I'm thinking, I may do something other that just swapCursor() if the result set size has changed ?
Apr 02 02:03:00  Hi, all. Does anybody know how to properly handle error cases when using GCM Upstream messaging feature? Im sending a message with 0 TTL but receiving a "send_error" SERVICE_NOT_AVAILABLE in my broadcast receiver (probably becouse my signing for "upstream" feature wasn't approved). How can a client can be sure that the message was delivered?
Apr 02 02:06:13  ugh just ran into this nasty crap https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=61850
Apr 02 02:06:21  its amazing android even starts at all
Apr 02 02:06:37  i'm amazed when anything works
Apr 02 02:07:01  g00s: I could apply that to pretty much any modern computing device
Apr 02 02:07:27  fortunately we haven't yet reached the point where we rely on statistical distribution of probably events
Apr 02 02:07:57  p_l perhaps, but if there will be lots of bugs, its nice if there are lots of updates :|
Apr 02 02:08:10  g00s: *SNRK*
Apr 02 02:08:14  you're dealin with embedded
Apr 02 02:09:03  and embedded where there's more than one manufacturer without single dictator whose model of screwing everyone over involves timely updating
Apr 02 02:10:11  at least I can compile my own firmware pack to fix bugs if necessary, instead of having random combination of binary blobs assembled by people of unclear skils
Apr 02 02:10:40  p_l you won't have time for that as you get older ;)
Apr 02 02:10:43  (yes, I used to update WinMo devices, how did you guess? :>)
Apr 02 02:10:54  g00s: my compile times only got shorter :P
Apr 02 02:11:35  hm
Apr 02 02:11:38  like 5 hours ? :D
Apr 02 02:11:50  that said, I have this backburner patch for android that will never make it into official distro, but unofficial roms would be happy to have (Mifare for All)
Apr 02 02:12:08  gordon_: I haven't actually checked with android, but I *do* run Gentoo :P
Apr 02 02:12:24  oh gawd ....
Apr 02 02:13:05  bankai_au: as long as I don't have annoying stuff from dev-haskell/ installed, updates tend to go pretty fast
Apr 02 02:13:23  I got this OnTouchListener that doesn't move with the dynamiclayout when it gets inflated. Is there a better way then destroying it and creating a new one?
Apr 02 02:13:28  and when you can copy your environment by rsyncing $HOME... :)
Apr 02 02:14:07  ThomQ: what does that mean it "doesn't move" ?
Apr 02 02:16:07  p_l: it does because of ccache? ;)
Apr 02 02:16:15  n
Apr 02 02:16:24  after upgrading my eclipse from eclipse.org, and my android sdk is up to date, i'm having this problem =/ http://i.imgur.com/hbtpHyz.png
Apr 02 02:16:32  well, i set the listener, mess around with the views layout, extending it in this case, and then the listener still has the same position the view was in befor messing with it, but not the same position as the viw
Apr 02 02:16:34  view
Apr 02 02:16:52  gordon_: more like because modern PC has more processing power than typical user needs anyway and I've got an SSD :P
Apr 02 02:17:25  p_l: I really would like to think that, after compiling kde for 3,5 hours
Apr 02 02:17:41  gordon_: well, that's you error - compiling gigantic C++ suite :P
Apr 02 02:17:48  not only is it gigantic, it's also C++
Apr 02 02:17:58  BullShark: never had that error, you will probably need to reinstall it. or install intellij
Apr 02 02:18:14  p_l: same as gnome
Apr 02 02:18:38  gordon_: Ewww. At least KDE is usable
Apr 02 02:18:45  xfce !
Apr 02 02:18:47  now now, kids ....
Apr 02 02:19:14 * p_l actually doesn't use any "Desktop Environment". Terminals in plain WM, few apps...
Apr 02 02:19:24  I like kde programs - good quality
Apr 02 02:19:25  I could run this setup under TWM :D
Apr 02 02:19:40  gordon_ :: or google a lot lol, i am not using the eclipse bundle, problems with having latest eclipse as well as adding other plugins such as Vrapper, EGit (which was later added to the bundle through a bug report I made)
Apr 02 02:20:09  BullShark: I used to do that, then I really looked at intellij
Apr 02 02:20:25  it has everything out of the box and still is faster
Apr 02 02:20:34  gordon_: hear, hear
Apr 02 02:20:40  gordon_ :: i may do the same. i was hooked on netbeans for a while till i took the time to learn eclipse well.
Apr 02 02:21:02 * p_l still can't get over the true black magic that must exist deep in IntelliJ's GUI engine
Apr 02 02:21:04  BullShark: intellij is easy
Apr 02 02:21:27  p_l: the swing ? :D
Apr 02 02:21:34  gordon_: no, the stuff that calls Swing
Apr 02 02:21:36  it is *old*
Apr 02 02:21:45  #define stuff
Apr 02 02:22:27  gordon_: Swing pretty much covers only drawing and getting events. Actually meshing the code to create the objects to draw etc. is a different thing, and IntelliJ manages to be blazing fast *despite* using Swing
Apr 02 02:23:10  hello
Apr 02 02:23:13  it still scares me they have all this swing code, but oracle isn't doing anything with swing any more
Apr 02 02:23:26  oracle aren't doing much anything any more
Apr 02 02:23:40  except taking your money, they sure love taking money
Apr 02 02:23:41  evidence; AA on mac is broken on jre 7+ for swing, not JavaFX
Apr 02 02:23:41  BullShark: intellij is particularly easy because it doesn't pack its own undecipherable "build system"
Apr 02 02:23:56  g00s: anyone actually uses JavaFX?
Apr 02 02:24:16  p_l they are hoping. it will be part of Java 9 mobile
Apr 02 02:24:22  *SNRK*
Apr 02 02:24:26  JavaFX for desktop, mobile :)
Apr 02 02:24:43  jme/jse get merged
Apr 02 02:25:08  bankai_au: oracle makes me sad :(
Apr 02 02:25:14  well there is qt for java
Apr 02 02:25:15  oracle makes me angry
Apr 02 02:25:24  not only you....
Apr 02 02:25:28  p_l the question is, would you start a new project today with swing. or … who even starts new java gui projects :)
Apr 02 02:25:47  g00s: if there's not good alternative...
Apr 02 02:25:50  g00s: I'd start with Swing if I had to do Gui with Java
Apr 02 02:26:29  I've done some swing projects
Apr 02 02:26:32  it was... slow
Apr 02 02:26:32  i wouldn't  , since oracle says its deprecated without saying its deprecated ;)
Apr 02 02:26:35  because it will actually work without packing binary deps or depending on quite recent JRE (and possibly extra stuff)
Apr 02 02:26:41  and it doesnt work as expected sometimes
Apr 02 02:26:58  swing and awt can go into the trashbin
Apr 02 02:27:13  p_l: binaries arent bad, if you have something like maven to manage them
Apr 02 02:27:22  g00s: they should long time ago
Apr 02 02:27:36  gordon_: maven won't manage stuff installed on deployment target
Apr 02 02:27:38  thing is javafx is.. not good either
Apr 02 02:27:54  gordon_: I'm talking about errors of the "Wrong ELFCLASS" kind :)
Apr 02 02:27:57  p_l: I know, but it can build project for like 3 platforms
Apr 02 02:28:25  (not to mention having to get SWT crap built for all targets, which is *non-trivial*)
Apr 02 02:28:38  I dont like swt somehow
Apr 02 02:30:55  let's see... how many platforms I can hit right now with Swing... 3*Windows, 4*Solaris, >7*Linux, 2*AIX, ... probably z/OS but I'm not going there, depending on how far I allow backward compat, 1 or 2 VMS, similarly 2 to 4 on OSX...
Apr 02 02:31:45  but we can't confuse #platforms with #devices; if mobile devices are outnumbering everything else, the java gui framework that works on mobile will become very important
Apr 02 02:32:06  p_l: honetsly you only need windows, linux and mac
Apr 02 02:32:23  in 32 and 64
Apr 02 02:32:34  but mac is 64 only now
Apr 02 02:32:36  so..
Apr 02 02:32:39  g00s: except significant portion of Java GUI projects that aren't targeted solely for specific mobile platform anyway are applications that won't feel good on mobile anyway
Apr 02 02:32:46  gordon_: depends on the project type :P
Apr 02 02:32:55  also true
Apr 02 02:33:07  gordon_: I used to work for a company that had no Linux, Windows or OSX in production
Apr 02 02:33:43  the few (2~3) FreeBSD servers were going to be decomissioned to 1 (which hosted another dept's dev team's SVN)
Apr 02 02:34:03  so they didnt need gui ;)
Apr 02 02:34:17  gordon_: we actually had some GUI Java apps deployed on IBM JVM :P
Apr 02 02:34:37  but that was stuff that came as complete package in this case
Apr 02 02:34:47  Also had a bunch of Solaris workstations in places
Apr 02 02:35:23  funnily enough they were heavily in demand when we had to put Oracle consultants on something :P
Apr 02 02:36:08  anyway, I don't like writing GUIs anyway :P
Apr 02 02:36:28  eh
Apr 02 02:36:46  call me when someone develops portable WPF, or resurrects CLIM into modern form
Apr 02 02:36:46  people should use openjdk
Apr 02 02:36:58  WPF..
Apr 02 02:36:59  gordon_: openjdk appears to be pretty much the worst option
Apr 02 02:37:13  I used to love WPF, before I started to use it
Apr 02 02:37:22  p_l: reason?
Apr 02 02:37:38  it's almost the same as hotspot
Apr 02 02:37:41  Sun/Oracle without some bits. Personal experience points to IBM having some secret sauce they are not sharing
Apr 02 02:38:28  eh.. it reminds me of one thing about gimp and photoshop
Apr 02 02:39:02  'I would use gimp but it doesnt have one option I need' - 'it doesnt because you gave your money to adobe'
Apr 02 02:39:04  gordon_: yes. It *is* hotspot minus whatever didn't fit the license (and I am not going to check what). It doesn't offer *anything* over Hotspot other than good tumblr feels, and both are pretty shitty in desktop performance or performance of running multiple independent applications (as opposed to packing everything into JBoss)
Apr 02 02:39:28  gordon_: because Adobe tends to actually notice that said options are wanted
Apr 02 02:39:50  GIMP is good as long as you don't stray from RGB-land
Apr 02 02:40:13  (and 8bpc at that)
Apr 02 02:40:24  it comes in 2.10
Apr 02 02:40:26  ;)
Apr 02 02:40:36  I dont want to talk about adobe
Apr 02 02:40:40  because I dont like it
Apr 02 02:40:49  i hope inkscape gets their shit together with mac
Apr 02 02:40:56  seems like the worst run project on the planet
Apr 02 02:41:15  dont know if inkscape doesnt use their own GUI toolkit
Apr 02 02:41:27  gordon_: basic CMYK support was probably most requested feature since early 1.x times. Getting it in 2.10 is like grabbing the idiot ball, then swallowing it whole and pointing to the bump and saying "look, I'm pregnant!"
Apr 02 02:42:24  ... it's been... 14 years, since I first used GIMP, and it was a heavily wanted feature *back then*
Apr 02 02:43:05  still most people dont need that
Apr 02 02:43:08  meanwhile we had such nice projects as XML-based replacement for XCF etc.
Apr 02 02:43:13  maybe not most but many
Apr 02 02:43:23  gordon_: only if you conflate it with MS Paint
Apr 02 02:43:30  :D
Apr 02 02:43:37  CMYK is *THE* base feature if you want to print
Apr 02 02:44:13  this is what I've found few days ago
Apr 02 02:44:14  http://www.rileybrandt.com/2014/03/09/photoshop-to-gimp/
Apr 02 02:45:01  by now, thinks like 64bit colour in Lab colourspace with automatic import and virtual lightroom for raw camera photos with HDR is stuff that I actually had to use for a stupid website
Apr 02 02:46:36  gordon_: I'm not saying it's not impossible... though I'd like to point out that the guy mentions at the start he is essentially using Lightroom, and then only does little followup in graphic editor :>
Apr 02 02:46:59  have you guys tried this? http://www.darktable.org/
Apr 02 02:47:08  when I have to deal with PS/AI/ID it usually involves print media
Apr 02 02:47:20  g00s: nope
Apr 02 02:47:57  shit i have a receiver thats not firing from a pendingIntent. i hate that crap
Apr 02 02:47:58  g00s: so far, when I had to, I went with Photoshop's support. For personal things I do not have a camera better than my N4, so it's pretty much wasted
Apr 02 02:48:12  its like, your strings are floating around but not in the right places
Apr 02 02:48:29  i used to say android is bundles all the way down, its really String constants
Apr 02 02:49:00  p_l i just use Lr. another tool based on outdated GUI shit (Carbon)
Apr 02 02:49:07  and async calls :P
Apr 02 02:49:11  apple removed carbon adobe is fucked
Apr 02 02:49:21  g00s: well... I don't use Apple :P
Apr 02 02:49:43  dragorn :)
Apr 02 02:51:12  p_l: I use at work :(
Apr 02 02:51:32  gordon_: Apple? My condolonces :P
Apr 02 02:53:19  as hardware it's not bad
Apr 02 02:53:31  but there are some thing in OS X, I'd like to change
Apr 02 02:58:18  gordon_: from my pov it's nearly always overpriced horribly
Apr 02 02:58:45  to the point that I once managed to configure a laptop that had more power and was cheaper than then-current Mac Pro
Apr 02 02:59:01  I wanted thinkpad
Apr 02 02:59:08  but it's more pricy ;D
Apr 02 02:59:29 * p_l got low-med range thinkpad at bargain :D
Apr 02 02:59:43  I'm tired of low-med
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