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Apr 03 03:01:50 <sensen> g00s: Thanks. Got something to play with over the weekend!
Apr 03 03:02:01 <g00s> sensen let me know how it goes :)
Apr 03 03:02:11 <g00s> bankai_au a newish presentation on rx + android http://www.slideshare.net/TimoTuominen1/rxjava-architectures-on-android-8-android-livecode-32531688
Apr 03 03:02:26 <bankai_au> argh i hate slideshows
Apr 03 03:02:33 <g00s> yeah
Apr 03 03:03:13 <g00s> i replaced all my event buses with rx
Apr 03 03:03:21 <g00s> worked well so far
Apr 03 03:03:47 <g00s> its eventually finding way into each corner of the app ;)
Apr 03 03:04:57 <IamTrying> From which version of Android release. Google Chrome version 33+ will be natively available instead of other web browsers?
Apr 03 03:05:07 <g00s> the challenge though, is when you are living withing the ComponentsCallback lifecycle, and you need to poll at some android callback
Apr 03 03:05:16 <bankai_au> can someone please kick him?
Apr 03 03:05:37 <g00s> so its not all push all the time :(
Apr 03 03:06:19 <f2prateek> g00s: how are you sharing the observables between components?
Apr 03 03:07:19 <g00s> f2prateek i know there is some stuff in rxjava-android, but i haven't looked at it so far. right now, some stuff like event buses are subscribed to in fragments and unsubscribed in onStop
Apr 03 03:07:44 <g00s> BehaviorSubject works well for that + CompositeSubscription
Apr 03 03:08:02 <g00s> i haven't figured this all out. but i'm working hard to, it "feels right" to me
Apr 03 03:08:05 <IamTrying> When WebRTC is used in Android. Why the system get frozen and hang while doing HD 1080p and 60fps
Apr 03 03:09:03 <g00s> f2prateek its pretty easy to rx-ify a lot of the android APIs like , sensors
Apr 03 03:09:17 <g00s> i just use it when it make sense, where i think i may compose events
Apr 03 03:10:11 <f2prateek> I was interested in how different components, say a service might post messages to fragment
Apr 03 03:11:00 <g00s> yeah i bind to the service and getObservable() which gives back a BehaviorSubject
Apr 03 03:11:10 <g00s> getState(), etc
Apr 03 03:12:16 <f2prateek> Interesting
Apr 03 03:12:45 <f2prateek> Does seem more involved and couple than using an event bus though
Apr 03 03:12:50 <f2prateek> *coupled
Apr 03 03:12:52 <g00s> so in that presentation, slide 16 .. i haven't done all of that
Apr 03 03:13:02 <g00s> still kind of wondering how well it all works
Apr 03 03:13:34 <regreddit> is theer a way to tell android Studio to always ignore an ambiguous import conflict? If you ue Jackson, it has a Pair class, and i always want to use java.util.pair
Apr 03 03:13:41 <regreddit> but it makes me choose every time
Apr 03 03:14:10 <g00s> f2prateek yeah, the bus is more decoupled. i liked this approach more though, because i have found it more useful to specify the exact timing and flow of events. my older app just become a buch of random onXXX it become hard to reason about the timing of things
Apr 03 03:14:52 <g00s> and then of course the composability
Apr 03 03:15:13 <g00s> i think the greenrobot event bus had ordered events
Apr 03 03:15:26 <g00s> so you can get some timing there, like chain of responsability type behavior
Apr 03 03:15:41 <g00s> each could mutate the object and pass it on to the next
Apr 03 03:16:01 <g00s> kinda like real android receiver priorities, not localbroadcastreceiver in support lib
Apr 03 03:18:07 <f2prateek> g00s: good point on the timing part
Apr 03 03:19:05 <g00s> i'm cautiously optimistic about rx so far; gotta worry about leaking references and GC
Apr 03 03:20:00 <g00s> yeah, he covers that in slide 20
Apr 03 03:20:01 <bankai_au> and junit testing is a sl*t
Apr 03 03:25:32 <alex_PP> "Has been ported to most platform and languages (except PHP)"
Apr 03 03:25:33 <alex_PP> ha
Apr 03 03:27:21 <jareddlc> hey does anyknow how to read from bt properly?
Apr 03 03:27:34 <jareddlc> im trying to figure out if im sending data correctly, but i only recieve "1"
Apr 03 03:29:48 <g00s> jareddlc its just a stream
Apr 03 03:30:44 <jareddlc> g00s:  im following the tutorial: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/bluetooth.html so im not sure if im sending data correctly, but i dont get what i expect
Apr 03 03:31:42 <jareddlc> however i want to log bytes
Apr 03 03:33:38 <g00s> jareddlc one thing that is useful in debugging BT stuff is to grab some TeeInputStream class somewhere
Apr 03 03:33:53 <g00s> have it save the raw bytes to a file, for debugging, etc
Apr 03 03:34:49 <g00s> hold on, here is mine. its very simple
Apr 03 03:35:55 <g00s> http://pastebin.com/DZH7b3AM
Apr 03 03:36:06 <g00s> if you find any problems with it, let me know :)
Apr 03 03:36:25 <g00s> its not a complete version - only the methods used by the streams returned by BluetoothSocket
Apr 03 03:36:45 <g00s> no warranties, of course ;0
Apr 03 03:38:39 <jareddlc> thats neat, however
Apr 03 03:39:00 <jareddlc> g00s: i see what it does is expects byte[] buffer, int byteOffset, int byteCount but the example doesnt do that
Apr 03 03:39:07 <jareddlc> thats probably one of my problems
Apr 03 03:39:33 <jareddlc> inputStream.read() expects *
Apr 03 03:39:51 <jareddlc> thx i'll make those changes
Apr 03 03:46:01 <jareddlc> g00s: by any chance are you using arduino?
Apr 03 03:46:08 <g00s> no
Apr 03 03:46:27 <Leeds> hah http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1463336/costly-government-apps-lag-popularity-game
Apr 03 03:46:28 <jareddlc> k
Apr 03 03:48:34 <alex_PP> 3.8 million downloads is quite a lot
Apr 03 03:48:53 <OxFEEDBACC> is there a way to dynamically assign an onSizeChanged handler to a *View?
Apr 03 03:49:06 <alex_PP> more than half of hk
Apr 03 03:49:29 <alex_PP> oh, they're the star, i see
Apr 03 03:49:41 <Leeds> yup, that's pretty impressive - they've crushed me :)  I'm hoping to hit the 50k bucket this summer...
Apr 03 03:50:13 <alex_PP> i've 4 apps up, 97, 35, 156 & 43 current installs
Apr 03 03:50:14 <alex_PP> wooo
Apr 03 03:50:48 <Leeds> slightly over 6k installs for my HK weather app
Apr 03 03:51:05 <g00s> The red tide app cost HK$128,000 for its development and first-year maintenance.
Apr 03 03:51:41 <Leeds> g00s: that's about how much tax I've paid in the past 4 years :)
Apr 03 03:51:54 <alex_PP> that's not a huge amount
Apr 03 03:51:58 <alex_PP> 16k us
Apr 03 03:52:16 <alex_PP> i wouldn't do a years work for that
Apr 03 03:52:26 <g00s> oh yeah, 16501
Apr 03 03:52:37 <Leeds> yeah, but... 10 downloads?
Apr 03 03:52:57 <alex_PP> that is pretty poor
Apr 03 03:53:03 <Leeds> for that much, they could have had someone hand-deliver tide notices to sailors :)
Apr 03 03:53:37 <alex_PP> my lowest install figure is 139
Apr 03 03:53:49 <alex_PP> i assume you'd get that just from idle browisng and random installs
Apr 03 03:54:18 <OxFEEDBACC> what did i expect...
Apr 03 03:54:19 <alex_PP> i have no idea about the apps i'm paid to write
Apr 03 03:56:19 <g00s> i'd be interested in hearing what the root cause of low downloads was. OTOH, i don't want to download a handful of silly apps
Apr 03 03:56:55 <g00s> i could see something potentially useful, like if the govt has to broadcast events like red tide, they have ONE app to do it, and you subscribe to the events you are interested in
Apr 03 03:56:59 <g00s> sounds like mqtt :D
Apr 03 03:57:10 <lasserix> Hello, anyone know if it's possible to send an xml layout file in an intent?
Apr 03 03:58:02 <canvs2321-> just set mime and ok, but why?
Apr 03 03:58:20 <jareddlc> g00s: figured it out, needed to dump it to a byteArray
Apr 03 03:58:23 <alex_PP> lasserix, there's almost certainly a better way to do that
Apr 03 03:58:56 <lasserix> alex_pp: i want to send one xml layout file from one app to a different app
Apr 03 03:59:11 <alex_PP> then no
Apr 03 03:59:17 <alex_PP> unless you own both
Apr 03 03:59:22 <lasserix> right okay
Apr 03 03:59:26 <lasserix> just curious
Apr 03 03:59:45 <g00s> lasserix you have me worried
Apr 03 03:59:51 <lasserix> ?
Apr 03 03:59:55 <g00s> what .. put that in your hea
Apr 03 03:59:58 <g00s> *head
Apr 03 04:00:13 <lasserix> ahh just an idea to do an implementation of a project at work,
Apr 03 04:01:21 <lasserix> they are trying to do some kind of android api and i was thinking of how to minimize surface area of interface
Apr 03 04:01:30 <lasserix> api/sdk
Apr 03 04:04:16 <lasserix> ahh
Apr 03 04:04:35 <lasserix> Anyone come across cool apps lately?
Apr 03 04:04:44 <lasserix> *from a developer point of view
Apr 03 04:06:05 <g00s> i came across this library today
Apr 03 04:06:07 <g00s> http://metrics.codahale.com/
Apr 03 04:06:34 <g00s> thats about it, still looking at it / ganglia
Apr 03 04:08:08 <lasserix> hmm
Apr 03 04:08:11 <lasserix> link broken?
Apr 03 04:08:23 <g00s> maybe you guys killed it
Apr 03 04:09:13 <lasserix> what's ganglia do?
Apr 03 04:09:27 <g00s> http://ganglia.sourceforge.net/
Apr 03 04:09:31 <g00s> monitoring
Apr 03 04:09:57 <lasserix> sorry i am little unexpirienced, what's an actual use case of this?
Apr 03 04:10:03 <lasserix> err like real life example
Apr 03 04:10:37 <g00s> collect & visualize metrics for ALL THE THINGS
Apr 03 04:11:22 <lasserix> hehe reminds me of how i like to trail off when describing something at work "oh yeah we got that task about the thing that does the thing with the thing that doesn't function when it is supposed to happen..."
Apr 03 04:11:38 <g00s> you can use it with rrdtool
Apr 03 04:11:41 <lasserix> what would you actually use ganglia for?
Apr 03 04:11:59 <g00s> monitoring your infrastructure
Apr 03 04:12:16 <g00s> at dhl we had expensive HP stuff for that
Apr 03 04:12:30 <lasserix> ahh so for instance you could moniter your bitcoin mining cluster?
Apr 03 04:12:56 <jareddlc> g00s: do u get odd BT data? example: im sending string "blink" and i get "b" and then next "link"
Apr 03 04:13:28 <g00s> we used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_OpenView which was expensive
Apr 03 04:13:43 <g00s> jareddlc sure, could be buffering
Apr 03 04:14:08 <dunkel2> hello, im having a little problem im trying to create an instance of an adapter inside a fragmetn and im getting this: No enclosing instance of type MainActivity is accessible. Must qualify the allocation with an enclosing instance of type MainActivity (e.g. x.new A() where x is an instance of MainActivity). What could be wrong?
Apr 03 04:16:09 <lasserix> ohh g00s so metrics is a good eay to do some profiling in an app say?
Apr 03 04:16:56 <g00s> i'm trying to determine if that first link (metrics.codehale) could be used like GA without the G
Apr 03 04:20:53 <lasserix> ?
Apr 03 04:34:58 <lasserix> anyone know a good repo of animations?
Apr 03 04:35:02 <bankai_au> you use HPOV? you poor poor thing, what a disgusting, repulsive piece of software
Apr 03 04:35:43 <g00s> thats what they had, yeah. lots of HP stuff
Apr 03 04:36:04 <bankai_au> we use it at my work, i can't believe it's still around, it's rotten in so many areas
Apr 03 04:36:32 <bankai_au> g00s: on another note, what's a good use case for Observable<T>.delay(...) ?
Apr 03 04:36:34 <g00s> we had tons of tech. international side was all JEE on hpux; US (airnorne) was windows + mainframe
Apr 03 04:36:44 <g00s> *airborne
Apr 03 04:40:31 <g00s> bankai_au i can't think of anything atm; i've gone through the catalog and only used a few (map, filter, zip, etc). but i try to keep these in mind for future
Apr 03 04:42:31 <lasserix> anyone know how to disable an IME suggestions bar? it keeps overlapping some of my UI
Apr 03 04:44:24 <JakeWharton> noSuggestions
Apr 03 04:44:47 <lasserix> ?
Apr 03 04:44:53 <JakeWharton> textNoSuggestions
Apr 03 04:45:09 <JakeWharton> this is an extremely Googleable question
Apr 03 04:45:35 <lasserix> Ahh but the problem is that a hint to the IME
Apr 03 04:45:55 <lasserix> it does not have to honor it, which causes the problem for the layout
Apr 03 04:46:06 <pfn> but the ime doesn't show a suggestions bar unless it's broken
Apr 03 04:46:11 <JakeWharton> indeed
Apr 03 04:46:29 <lasserix> Sorry, let me rephrase: is there a way to find the height of my UI window relative to the top of the IME?
Apr 03 04:46:36 <pfn> which ime is this a problem on
Apr 03 04:46:55 <lasserix> umm let's see i was using a stock htc butterfly phone
Apr 03 04:47:02 <pfn> does it matter? make your UI scroll
Apr 03 04:47:10 <lasserix> uhh
Apr 03 04:47:19 <pfn> use adjustPan as necessary
Apr 03 04:47:23 <lasserix> the text input field is covered up by the suggests bar
Apr 03 04:47:50 <lasserix> i had tried adjustpan but if that should fix it ill try working it again
Apr 03 04:47:56 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 03 04:52:56 <lasserix> oh JakeWharton: in a pinch I needed access to activity context in a class with no direct accessor. so i wrapped the activity context as a static nested class singelton inside the activity using a weakreference to hold the context. I was thinking of using it in general when I need to do certain functions requiring context in arbitrary classes--do you see any problems with this?
Apr 03 04:53:32 <bankai_au> g00s: actually perhaps something like ... a listview, that you want to queue up WS fetches ?
Apr 03 04:53:40 <lasserix> i think it was not a bad way to generally provide context statically...
Apr 03 04:54:15 <JakeWharton> why not just store the application instance on a static field of the application class? the only time it goes away is when the process is destroyed
Apr 03 04:54:28 <JakeWharton> still gross gross gross, but not as crazy
Apr 03 04:54:48 <lasserix> hmm
Apr 03 04:54:49 <lasserix> okay
Apr 03 04:55:09 <lasserix> I was trying to make certain abstracted encapsulated classes as atomic as possible
Apr 03 04:55:21 <lasserix> err self-contained, i mean
Apr 03 04:55:52 <lasserix> Jake: to be sure, I could use such an instance to get a content resolver, but i couldn't use that to inflate layouts correct?
Apr 03 04:56:23 <JakeWharton> you should be able to, but the fact that you would use it as so worries me
Apr 03 04:56:28 <lasserix> i was trying to prepare some layouts off the main thread, passing them back to the main thread then adding them as they are needed
Apr 03 04:56:38 <JakeWharton> a class with no direct accessor to a Context (something I don't buy in general) is responsible for inflating layouts?
Apr 03 04:57:11 <lasserix> i rolled my own "list view" where everything is pooled and created up front
Apr 03 04:57:22 <JakeWharton> you don't work at Facebook do you?
Apr 03 04:57:26 <lasserix> hehe no
Apr 03 04:57:30 <JakeWharton> they do this crap for Paper on iOS
Apr 03 04:58:19 <lasserix> no i just measured a preallocated "listview" (with no adapter or a custom one anyways) versus the normal listview using viewholder and convertview, and it saved about 200ms between invalidations
Apr 03 04:58:34 <lasserix> *between invalidating
Apr 03 04:58:55 <lasserix> and also makes a lot of custom animations and touch controller responses easier to handle
Apr 03 04:59:20 <lasserix> so i wanted to inflate/construct all of this in code off the main thread, and pass it back when i actually need it
Apr 03 04:59:38 <lasserix> that was the motivation anyways
Apr 03 05:00:40 <lasserix> probably overkill but my bosses are literally more concerned with the first 4 seconds the very first time someone starts the app then 90% of the rest of the time the app is ever used ;p
Apr 03 05:01:11 <JakeWharton> is the inflation the slow part or is it the measure/layout pass?
Apr 03 05:01:37 <lasserix> ahh so on notifydataset changed
Apr 03 05:01:49 <lasserix> the total time it took for getview to be called
Apr 03 05:02:16 <lasserix> was up to 200ms longer than doing everything preallocated
Apr 03 05:02:41 <lasserix> and just doing setText etc etc
Apr 03 05:04:21 <lasserix> sorry if that doesn't answer your question, my time profile was just a measure of how long it took for the UI to reflect the new data set
Apr 03 05:05:39 <lasserix> i was thinking you could do the same thing by setting getItemViewType and count to the exact number of rows which would cache every row along the same train of thought
Apr 03 05:06:28 <lasserix> anyways i was just wondering if it is safe to do this pre-inflation stuff off the UI thread
Apr 03 05:06:37 <lasserix> sorry kinda rambling now...
Apr 03 05:06:57 <regreddit> can i override JUST the toString method of the android pair class, or do i have to implement my own Pair class?
Apr 03 05:07:11 <lasserix> regreddit sure
Apr 03 05:07:24 <regreddit> i need to use a Pair in an arrayAdapter, but it requires a toString that *works*
Apr 03 05:07:47 <lasserix> regreddit cant you just toStringForAdapter?
Apr 03 05:08:03 <regreddit> I dont understand
Apr 03 05:08:16 <lasserix> what class are you using for pair?
Apr 03 05:08:37 <regreddit> what toString should do for a pair is return Pair.first in my casae
Apr 03 05:08:50 <lasserix> why does it have to be toString
Apr 03 05:08:53 <regreddit> Android.util.pair
Apr 03 05:08:55 <lasserix> can't you just getFirst
Apr 03 05:09:56 <lasserix> so you can definatly override toString
Apr 03 05:10:00 <regreddit> this pair is an array of pairs that I pass to an ArrayAdapter
Apr 03 05:10:08 <regreddit> that then is used for a spinner
Apr 03 05:10:11 <lasserix> but you could just as easily subclass Pair and add a method getFirst
Apr 03 05:10:14 <lasserix> and getSecond
Apr 03 05:10:21 <regreddit> it internally calls toString on my Array
Apr 03 05:10:44 <lasserix> you cannot change the fact it calls toString?
Apr 03 05:10:55 <regreddit> I dont think so
Apr 03 05:11:00 <lasserix> why not ?
Apr 03 05:11:05 <lasserix> can you post your code?
Apr 03 05:11:06 <regreddit> I dont know )
Apr 03 05:11:09 <lasserix> or the relevant part
Apr 03 05:11:10 <regreddit> sure
Apr 03 05:11:23 <regreddit> one sec
Apr 03 05:11:28 <nick9998> hey guys
Apr 03 05:11:44 <Errgnomeous>  A pound of any combination of quarters, dimes and half-dollars is worth $20.
Apr 03 05:12:08 <lasserix> that's not always true
Apr 03 05:12:39 <lasserix> Hi DrNick9998!
Apr 03 05:14:14 <regreddit> lasserix: https://pastee.org/3zb9g
Apr 03 05:16:02 <JakeWharton> Pair is an anti-pattern. Use a concrete type with semantic meaning!
Apr 03 05:16:36 <regreddit> well, if I did, it would be a name/value pair that accepted generics in this case )
Apr 03 05:16:44 <regreddit> thats why I use Pair
Apr 03 05:16:57 <canadiancow> hey JakeWharton, long time
Apr 03 05:17:16 <regreddit> or <String,T> 99% of the time
Apr 03 05:17:36 <canadiancow> class UsefulPair<T> extends Pair<String, T> ? :P
Apr 03 05:18:13 <regreddit> yeah, I guess I might as well just implement it myself, its only like 10 loc
Apr 03 05:21:58 <g00s> tuples in java almost always make readability worse
Apr 03 05:22:12 <g00s> in languages where you can say (x,y,x) = (1,2,3) thats nice
Apr 03 05:22:53 <lasserix> yeah tuple return type in python is nice ;)
Apr 03 05:23:09 <canadiancow> i generally agree
Apr 03 05:23:12 <canadiancow> i HAVE used Pair
Apr 03 05:23:22 <canadiancow> but i'd much sooner make a class Point { int x, y; }
Apr 03 05:23:39 <lasserix> if you use a lot of them byte buffer it
Apr 03 05:25:27 <g00s> yeah make x & y public final ;)
Apr 03 05:28:42 <JakeWharton> canadiancow: greetings
Apr 03 05:31:52 <RustyShackleford> My app has some data I want to share between a Service and an Activity. I decided to make my own Application class, and this data is a member of this Application. It's easy to access from both components, just use getApplication()
Apr 03 05:32:01 <RustyShackleford> uh, is this a good idea?
Apr 03 05:32:43 <g00s> RustyShackleford may as well make it a singleton if you do that ;)
Apr 03 05:32:48 <RustyShackleford> the focus of this app is primarily the Service. What if the Application, but the Service is still running?
Apr 03 05:33:28 <RustyShackleford> well the data is static, but I need to first parse a text file
Apr 03 05:33:35 <RustyShackleford> that might be a better idea
Apr 03 05:33:39 <g00s> make the data public static in the Service ?
Apr 03 05:34:17 <lasserix> rusty whats the service? just to do a long running task?
Apr 03 05:34:27 <lasserix> you can definatly use an intent service if its a "own shot" task
Apr 03 05:34:55 <RustyShackleford> The city has speed cameras. This service would monitor your location and direction, and warn you when you are approaching one
Apr 03 05:35:03 <lasserix> if its not, or if you need to do somethign involving multiple simaltaneous threads, you can use a service. binding the service will give you direct access in the activity to the service methods
Apr 03 05:35:32 <lasserix> ahh okay so you want a long running service, not bound to the activity, running its own thread
Apr 03 05:35:48 <RustyShackleford> so the data I want to share is an ArrayList<Location>, containing the locations of the speed cameras
Apr 03 05:36:26 <lasserix> so rusty i had to research something similar what i found the easiest (for me anyways) way to do this is have a service that has a thread
Apr 03 05:36:48 <lasserix> the service also a messanger which comes from the intent sent by the activity
Apr 03 05:37:02 <lasserix> which is a reference to the handler, so you can post messages to your activity from your service
Apr 03 05:37:18 <lasserix> so everytime the service detects whatever you need to inform
Apr 03 05:37:30 <RustyShackleford> i have a primitive handler set up already
Apr 03 05:37:41 <lasserix> you can check whether the activity is alive (send an intent stating it's alive, when activity destroyed send an intent stating its dead)
Apr 03 05:37:46 <RustyShackleford> but my service is its own process
Apr 03 05:37:52 <lasserix> that's okay
Apr 03 05:38:17 <lasserix> just means you have to pass the messenger via the bind method
Apr 03 05:38:25 <lasserix> but im not even sure you have to do that
Apr 03 05:38:55 <lasserix> http://www.survivingwithandroid.com/2014/01/android-bound-service-ipc-with-messenger.html
Apr 03 05:38:59 <RustyShackleford> I'm still a bit confused how handlers work
Apr 03 05:39:15 <lasserix> so a handler is nothign more than a thread callback essentially
Apr 03 05:39:31 <lasserix> the main thread has what's called a looper which is a synchronized message queue
Apr 03 05:39:49 <lasserix> this feeds the handleMessage of the handler which you want to override
Apr 03 05:39:52 <pfn> a handler is what processes messages on the queue
Apr 03 05:40:19 <RustyShackleford> who/what calls Handler.handleMessage()?
Apr 03 05:40:22 <lasserix> if you create the handler on the ui thread it'll belong to the ui thread, you can do that explicilty by creating the handler with the overload constructor getMainLooper as arguemnt
Apr 03 05:40:36 <lasserix> you override handleMessage on your subclass of the handler
Apr 03 05:40:48 <pfn> the message queue calls it
Apr 03 05:41:27 <lasserix> RustyShackleford this is not tested code but you can lookat it and can give you the idea
Apr 03 05:41:28 <lasserix> http://pastebin.com/iVkBS2wg
Apr 03 05:42:18 <lasserix> two main things you should always make a message using Message.obtain
Apr 03 05:42:34 <lasserix> and a static nested handler subclass must contain a weakreference to the activity that hosts it
Apr 03 05:42:40 <nick9998> i love all of u so much
Apr 03 05:42:52 <pfn> if there's no ipc, just post runnables
Apr 03 05:43:05 <lasserix> pfn: he said the service is in its own
Apr 03 05:43:08 <lasserix> brb
Apr 03 05:43:26 <pfn> in its own process? why
Apr 03 05:43:41 <lasserix> dunno ask him
Apr 03 05:44:49 <RustyShackleford> pfn, well it seemed easier than a thread
Apr 03 05:44:59 <g00s> hehe !
Apr 03 05:45:03 <RustyShackleford> I used  android:process=":remote" in Android.xml
Apr 03 05:45:11 <RustyShackleford> bam, i don't need to worry about threads
Apr 03 05:45:15 <g00s> you did that just to avoid a thread, thats hilarious
Apr 03 05:45:22 <RustyShackleford> maybe
Apr 03 05:45:30 <g00s> RustyShackleford i'm going to submit that to the daily WTF
Apr 03 05:45:31 <RustyShackleford> should I just spawn a thread?
Apr 03 05:46:26 <g00s> yeah ;)
Apr 03 05:46:28 <RustyShackleford> what exactly is wrong with a separate process?
Apr 03 05:46:40 <g00s> well then you have to worry about ipc
Apr 03 05:46:41 <nick9998> there  was an earthquake in chile
Apr 03 05:46:48 <g00s> nick9998 you're a little late !
Apr 03 05:46:59 <g00s> 8.2 was yesterday
Apr 03 05:47:05 <RustyShackleford> the service really has higher priority than the Activity
Apr 03 05:47:09 <nick9998> i'm not the best newsman
Apr 03 05:47:37 <g00s> hopefully people evacuate in case of tsunami
Apr 03 05:55:58 <thepoosh> canvs2321, lasserix: here?
Apr 03 05:56:37 <pfn> it's not.
Apr 03 05:57:19 <pfn> if you think it is, you're in for a rude awakening
Apr 03 05:58:14 <thepoosh> pfn: are you talking to me?
Apr 03 06:00:48 <amazwon> anyone about atm who wouldn't mind helping me out quick?
Apr 03 06:03:05 <thepoosh> amazwon: just ask, don't ask for permission to ask
Apr 03 06:05:43 <amazwon> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a way to use a dummy view here that works, my code works on an emulator, just not on my device http://pastebin.com/QUYezr99 ,
Apr 03 06:06:24 <lasserix> thepoosh whats up?
Apr 03 06:06:29 <pfn> be specific, read esr's smart questions guide
Apr 03 06:06:54 <lasserix> RustyShakleford you ONLY really need to do IPC when you have multiple apps that are going to use the same service
Apr 03 06:06:54 <thepoosh> lasserix: wanted to thank you for yesterday and to tell you I now have a pending pull request!
Apr 03 06:07:03 <lasserix> RustyShackleford: otherwise it's a lot of f-ing headache
Apr 03 06:07:17 <thepoosh> amazwon: are all those sleeps on the main thread?
Apr 03 06:07:20 <lasserix> RustyShackleford: also you can change the priority of your service (ipc or not)
Apr 03 06:07:45 <lasserix> thepoosh: ahh right on :)
Apr 03 06:07:49 <thepoosh> yep
Apr 03 06:08:38 <thepoosh> and because the reason of the AsyncTask was for DB access, I didn't change to runnables
Apr 03 06:08:59 <RustyShackleford> lasserix, what's difficult about IPC?
Apr 03 06:09:01 <lasserix> ahh they are the same thing
Apr 03 06:09:18 <thepoosh> asyncTask was more intuitive to me
Apr 03 06:09:19 <lasserix> RustyShakleford: do you know anything about sockets?
Apr 03 06:09:20 <RustyShackleford> not that i'm trying to be difficult, but I figured it out after quite alot of googling
Apr 03 06:09:27 <lasserix> RustyShackleford: or proxy classes?
Apr 03 06:09:28 <RustyShackleford> eh, not really
Apr 03 06:09:28 <amazwon> @thepoosh, what do you mean? sorry
Apr 03 06:09:34 <lasserix> RustyShackleford: or how to successfully manage memory
Apr 03 06:09:49 <thepoosh> amazwon: in your code, there are 2 calls to Thread.sleep(5000)
Apr 03 06:10:03 <RustyShackleford> maybe how to manage memory
Apr 03 06:10:16 <amazwon> @thepoosh, ah i see, they were to test something, because it didndt work on my device so used that to run after i type the passcode in
Apr 03 06:10:18 <lasserix> RustyShackleford: look at this way: why would you ever set up a server-client relationship on amazon cloud computing space to do the functionality of a calculator
Apr 03 06:10:33 <RustyShackleford> anyway I'll look into spawning another thread
Apr 03 06:10:38 <thepoosh> hmmm, that is how you get ANRs
Apr 03 06:10:39 <lasserix> you MUST
Apr 03 06:10:42 <g00s> bankai_au i wonder if the rx .delay() observable could be used like a z^-1 block as a digital filter. make an IIR/FIR out of .delay() and .sum()
Apr 03 06:10:44 <lasserix> spawn another thread using a service,
Apr 03 06:10:49 <RustyShackleford> i'm looking at this project again after shelving it for several weeks
Apr 03 06:11:11 <RustyShackleford> i just hacked together something that kinda-sorta works
Apr 03 06:11:17 <lasserix> Rusty: what's the service supposed to do ? constantly moniter traffic stuff in the background all the time or only when the app activity is in the foreground?
Apr 03 06:11:41 <RustyShackleford> yeah I kinda planned to keep it in the background always
Apr 03 06:11:52 <lasserix> how many apps are going to use the service?
Apr 03 06:12:06 <RustyShackleford> just this one
Apr 03 06:12:06 <lasserix> *distinct apps
Apr 03 06:12:15 <lasserix> yeah then don't bother putting it into its own process
Apr 03 06:12:26 <lasserix> you have no reason to.
Apr 03 06:12:42 <lasserix> again it's like starting a virtual machine just to run a calcultor
Apr 03 06:12:48 <RustyShackleford> also perhaps some kind of interactive notification in the notification screen
Apr 03 06:13:14 <lasserix> so all you need is a local service with a messenger
Apr 03 06:13:31 <g00s> you dont need a messenger :|
Apr 03 06:13:37 <lasserix> you can probably start the service sticky, and use a broadcast reciever to start it on boot
Apr 03 06:13:43 <lasserix> g00s: what's the better way to do that?
Apr 03 06:13:49 <lasserix> bind it?
Apr 03 06:13:49 <g00s> messenger is ok for ipc , like small protocols over ipc
Apr 03 06:14:36 <lasserix> g00s: how would I send non-parceable objects from a local service to my activity, and send requests to do tasks from the activity to the service without binding ?
Apr 03 06:14:50 <lasserix> *without binding or using messenger
Apr 03 06:15:02 <g00s> its all in the same process, don't say the word "parcel" or "bundle"
Apr 03 06:15:23 <g00s> well i guess you need those to pass shit to your activities and fragments
Apr 03 06:15:23 <lasserix> umm okay, but still how do you send objects back and forth?
Apr 03 06:16:09 <g00s> i think i said that like 20 minutes ago
Apr 03 06:16:12 <lasserix> specifically i need the activity to send flags to the service, i am guessing using a handler is faster than an intent, and i need to send objects from the service to the activity
Apr 03 06:16:16 <g00s> just put a static in your service
Apr 03 06:16:25 <lasserix> oh you can do that?
Apr 03 06:16:35 <lasserix> ahh that's cool
Apr 03 06:17:23 <thepoosh> is JakeWharton in the house?
Apr 03 06:17:24 <lasserix> so i can use a singelton int he service, call it directly from my activity, and then if i have to push results to UI use runonui or postonui in the activity on the object from the singlleton in the service?
Apr 03 06:17:25 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 03 06:17:31 <g00s> you could put the objects in a public static Queue
Apr 03 06:17:41 <g00s> and the service just blocks as its reading that
Apr 03 06:17:43 <g00s> so many ways
Apr 03 06:17:46 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: in here: https://github.com/JakeWharton/NineOldAndroids/
Apr 03 06:18:06 <thepoosh> are there any gradle/proguard specific instructions?
Apr 03 06:18:14 <thepoosh> hasn't been updated in 2 years...
Apr 03 06:18:15 <lasserix> g00s: and i can use the basic / run on ui method types to push results from the background thread singleton service?
Apr 03 06:18:27 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 03 06:18:28 <lasserix> *"types" -> methods
Apr 03 06:18:38 <JakeWharton> doesn't use reflection, gradle can handle jars
Apr 03 06:18:46 <thepoosh> yay!
Apr 03 06:18:46 <JakeWharton> you should be minSdkVersion="14" by now!
Apr 03 06:18:52 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 03 06:18:59 <thepoosh> my minSdk is still 10
Apr 03 06:19:03 <thepoosh> for some reason
Apr 03 06:19:10 <JakeWharton> += 4
Apr 03 06:19:13 <JakeWharton> or 5
Apr 03 06:19:21 <thepoosh> I wish
Apr 03 06:19:30 <thepoosh> we still have some 2.3.* users
Apr 03 06:19:42 <thepoosh> what about proguard?
Apr 03 06:19:49 <JakeWharton> so? they can stay on an old version
Apr 03 06:19:58 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Apr 03 06:20:06 <thepoosh> it's a product/CTO decision
Apr 03 06:20:11 <thepoosh> I don't get to make it
Apr 03 06:20:15 <JakeWharton> show them numbers
Apr 03 06:20:31 <lasserix> g00s: thanks for pointing that out--i am not above using singletons but since i have only been comfortable with them recently, i was used to always routing stuff via handler
Apr 03 06:20:39 <JakeWharton> describe to them how your development process will be sped up by X% by dropping Y% of users on GB where X > Y
Apr 03 06:20:44 <thepoosh> will do my best, I promise
Apr 03 06:21:04 <lasserix> thepoosh just copy all those assets manually
Apr 03 06:21:07 <JakeWharton> describe to them how the quality of the app will be increase by X% by dropping Y% of users on GB where X > Y
Apr 03 06:22:16 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: http://pbrd.co/1hD80R0
Apr 03 06:22:23 <thepoosh> I cannpt drop 10% of my users
Apr 03 06:22:28 <thepoosh> I mean, they wont
Apr 03 06:22:46 <JakeWharton> you aren't
Apr 03 06:22:51 <JakeWharton> you just aren't shipping them new feautres
Apr 03 06:23:04 <JakeWharton> but as a result you can ship new features 20% faster
Apr 03 06:23:10 <thepoosh> well
Apr 03 06:23:14 <JakeWharton> app quality goes up more than 20%
Apr 03 06:23:22 <JakeWharton> you can monetize 20% better
Apr 03 06:23:28 <thepoosh> I don't think they will be convinced unfortunately
Apr 03 06:23:58 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: these are my bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
Apr 03 06:24:19 <JakeWharton> well draw some fucking kittens in the form of a line and make them be convinced!
Apr 03 06:24:32 <thepoosh> lol
Apr 03 06:24:34 <g00s> tell them, because geometry !
Apr 03 06:24:41 <thepoosh> because MATH!!!
Apr 03 06:25:27 <g00s> thepoosh you are the expert, aren't you ?
Apr 03 06:25:32 <thepoosh> lol
Apr 03 06:25:46 <g00s> thepoosh did you see that video today :)
Apr 03 06:26:15 <thepoosh> I saw it three days ago, posted it in my company office FB page just to see my boss post it on his wall
Apr 03 06:26:31 <g00s> victory, i guess :D
Apr 03 06:26:48 <thepoosh> saying "you ask me what my day looks like"
Apr 03 06:27:05 <thepoosh> and then I commented, "asking me to draw red lines with green ink"
Apr 03 06:27:14 <thepoosh> THAT was victory
Apr 03 06:27:54 <g00s> 7 perpendicular
Apr 03 06:27:57 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: anywho, you say "drop 2.3.*" instead of managing this?
Apr 03 06:27:59 <thepoosh> yes yes
Apr 03 06:28:23 <thepoosh> a friend here said his problem was using the word "nearly" when he said it's impossible
Apr 03 06:28:53 <g00s> never give hope when no hope should be given ;)
Apr 03 06:29:15 <thepoosh> yes
Apr 03 06:36:39 <b0t> Hi, I have a problem with action bar sherlock
Apr 03 06:41:34 <thepoosh> b0t: why not use the appcompat actionbar?
Apr 03 06:42:37 <b0t> because I'm modifying an open source app, and do not feel like working too much
Apr 03 07:02:03 <PTBD> Hi, I am starting to develop my first app. Which should be a gallery app. And I was hoping to get some tips from people which know what they are doing. My main questions would be: what should I use to show picutres? They can also be animated so ImageView does not work. Is there something for both?
Apr 03 07:02:37 <PTBD> I have read to use VideoView or split the image and animate it by myself in imageView. Which would be better?
Apr 03 07:02:57 <PTBD> And also, swiping images to browse through the gallery. What should I use here?
Apr 03 07:05:13 <hyarion> does anyone here know if there is any technical support availble for android developers on motorola or samsung? (we are havning touchscreen issues (probably due to the driver design) on some device models and would like to know if there's any workarounds)
Apr 03 07:12:51 <JakeWharton> thepoosh: did you mean "why not use minSdkVersion=14"?
Apr 03 07:13:57 <creatorb1> bankai_au: are you still there?
Apr 03 07:22:25 <rgr> In my little android set up here IVe set up some test cases in my "pure java" (ie no android calls) library and I can test from intellij. But when I rund "gradle test" from the top level Im getting unknown class exceptions. If theres any gradle heads here that rely on it for their android builds, am I wrong in thinking gradle should take care of adding classpath to a run based on the gradle project hierarchy?
Apr 03 07:24:29 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: I will not be able to do this alone, the product people will not allow it
Apr 03 07:24:47 <thepoosh> I was talking about supporting the library
Apr 03 07:24:55 <bankai_au> creatorb1: yep
Apr 03 07:26:03 <JakeWharton> i meant in your recommendation of appcompat
Apr 03 07:26:27 <thepoosh> oh
Apr 03 07:26:36 <thepoosh> I meant using the support library
Apr 03 07:26:44 <thepoosh> because they added it to suppot v4
Apr 03 07:26:58 <kamol> there is maven repo for facebook sdk?
Apr 03 07:27:21 <thepoosh> kamol: https://github.com/facebook/facebook-android-sdk
Apr 03 07:27:29 <thepoosh> I think you'll find more information there
Apr 03 07:27:41 <JakeWharton> but why bother recommending appcompat when you can recommend minSdkVersion=14?
Apr 03 07:27:54 <thepoosh> hmmmm
Apr 03 07:27:59 <thepoosh> didn't think about it like that
Apr 03 07:28:18 <kamol> thepoosh: I am looking for maven repo, so I can include in sbt
Apr 03 07:28:23 <thepoosh> the default in eclipse creatine project is still misSdk="8"
Apr 03 07:28:57 <g00s> creatine is good stuff
Apr 03 07:29:09 <thepoosh> *creating
Apr 03 07:29:17 <thepoosh> g00s: thanks for pointing out my failures
Apr 03 07:32:14 <creatorb1> bankai_au : yess :-D , i'm found this http://moinur-rahman.blogspot.com/2012/02/connection-between-android-app-and.html nah that i mean, i have run that and it's works, but now i want to add the script on my app when user click submit button, then will download my new db on my server and that automatically replace old db on user application, maybe you or someone else on here can help me?
Apr 03 07:33:49 <bankai_au> so what's your question?
Apr 03 07:37:26 <creatorb1> bankai_au : first, i'm confused how to convert my db to the jsonscript?
Apr 03 07:39:34 <rgr> you know what json is?
Apr 03 07:40:48 <kakazza> The guy who fights against Freddy, right?
Apr 03 07:41:06 <Leeds> the web 2.0 vrsion of him
Apr 03 07:41:07 <g00s> heh
Apr 03 07:41:43 <rgr> lol
Apr 03 07:41:56 <g00s> Nilium use anything like Sketch ?
Apr 03 07:42:10 <g00s> Sketch is still too buggy, inkscape still too far behind
Apr 03 07:46:06 <creatorb1> rgr: yeah, i know how to get the data for cloud but i mean i'm confused how to replace new data to old db on my db sqlite...
Apr 03 07:49:08 <rgr> I dont know what you mean "data for the cloud". Assuming you receive a shed load of json representing your server side data then you need to decode that and submit to your local DB depending on  your own data model. That or use a system where your server can do a db dump that you can simply restore on the client side. How did the data get into your client side database in the irst place? That would seem to suggest you already know
Apr 03 07:49:08 <rgr> how. Or is your question : how do I use sqlite?
Apr 03 07:52:28 <bluey-_> hey whats the best way to differentiate between different builds. like ifdef for debug and production targets
Apr 03 07:52:38 <bluey-_> stupid iOS Developer here :-)
Apr 03 07:52:52 <alex_PP> BuildConfig.DEBUG
Apr 03 07:53:19 <bluey-_> can I differentiate there between maybe light version and pro version?
Apr 03 07:53:33 <alex_PP> how are you building
Apr 03 07:53:34 <alex_PP> ?
Apr 03 07:55:06 <g00s> interesting, MS is making Cortana extendable by 3rd party apps.
Apr 03 07:55:13 <bluey-_> well right now out of eclipse. but we want to differentiate within code and not branch stuff out
Apr 03 07:56:04 <g00s> bluey-_ if you are using gradle it should be easy
Apr 03 07:56:14 <rgr> using gradle to build my app and having my "android bit" and my core library both set as includes in my settings.gradle a "gradle test" at the top level directory SHOULD find the test right? (src/test subdir and all code annotated with @Test etc). Or do I need to specifically tell gradle these tests exist. Tests run fine from intellij as junit tests configured in the IDE.
Apr 03 07:56:30 <bluey-_> I think this company is still working on maven :-/
Apr 03 07:56:45 <alex_PP> yeah, with gradle you can add build config lines to different flavours super easily
Apr 03 07:56:49 <rox> bluey-_: here is how we do it: our entire app is marked as a library, then we have two different projects that depend on it, one is called .free the other .pro, then in features, that are limited to .pro, we check for app name
Apr 03 07:57:16 <rox> bluey-_: this way we have common code for different apps
Apr 03 07:57:21 <bluey-_> sounds like a lot of refactoring
Apr 03 07:57:32 <alex_PP> or, you could add a resource file with a boolean, or whatever
Apr 03 07:57:36 <alex_PP> or check your package name
Apr 03 07:57:42 <alex_PP> millions of ways really
Apr 03 07:57:57 <bluey-_> I think the package name would be a quick and dirty approache... hmm
Apr 03 07:58:32 <bluey-_> I guess I'll get it through ApplicationInfo or?
Apr 03 07:58:36 <Nilium> g00s: Not sure what Sketch is and I don't like Inkscape because it has the world's second worst user interface.
Apr 03 07:58:55 <g00s> gimp is #1 right ?
Apr 03 07:59:23 <Nilium> No. FontForge.
Apr 03 07:59:28 <g00s> oh hah !
Apr 03 07:59:41 <g00s> well, i'm all ears for affordable vector in mac ;)
Apr 03 08:00:16 <Nilium> I just use Photoshop 'cause I don't need special vector stuff all that often.
Apr 03 08:00:33 <g00s> i guess adobe may have an affordable subscription
Apr 03 08:03:07 <alex_PP> bluey-_, any context object
Apr 03 08:03:16 <alex_PP> gas getPackageName
Apr 03 08:03:18 <alex_PP> *has
Apr 03 08:03:28 <bluey-_> yeah I think I got it :-)
Apr 03 08:03:46 <Nilium> They did have an affordable subscription, I believe it's less affordable now that the photographers' discount period might've ended
Apr 03 08:03:52 <bluey-_> still need to get into all those android concepts
Apr 03 08:04:18 <Nilium> At any rate, I got Photoshop for $10 a month, which considering how much I use it is at least cheaper than when I used to have to do a full license/upgrade
Apr 03 08:04:39 <g00s> yeah, i don't use Ps, but i'd pay $10/mo for Ai
Apr 03 08:05:20 <Nilium> Well, that one's not $10/mo
Apr 03 08:05:50 <Nilium> It's important for me at least since I actually have to upgrade this time. Older versions of Photoshop have a burning hatred of retina displays and Mac OS 10.9
Apr 03 08:19:34 <gthoma2> Pretty new to Android, am trying to schedule an alarm with AlarmManager to cancel an added notification in the future... not really sure how to call the cancel function from  alarmManager.set()
Apr 03 08:21:35 <alex_PP> you need to build a pending intent that matches the one you set previously
Apr 03 08:21:36 <alex_PP> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/AlarmManager.html#cancel(android.app.PendingIntent)
Apr 03 08:22:47 <alex_PP> whoops, reread
Apr 03 08:23:37 <alex_PP> create a pending intent that calls sends either sends a broardcast or starts a service and in there call notificationmanager.concel with the same id as you used when you created the notification
Apr 03 08:23:38 <alex_PP> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/NotificationManager.html#cancel(int)
Apr 03 08:24:15 <alex_PP> <item type="id" name="notification.foo" /> is a nice way to generate unique IDs
Apr 03 08:29:28 <PadavanK> Guys, please advise: will mac book air i5/4096/13'3 be enough for android dev?
Apr 03 08:29:41 <g00s> i have 2009 MBP
Apr 03 08:29:46 <g00s> barely enough
Apr 03 08:29:57 <g00s> Core2
Apr 03 08:30:10 <g00s> best if you have > 4G memory
Apr 03 08:30:22 <Nilium> Does it need to be a laptop?
Apr 03 08:30:43 <Nilium> Take a long, hard look at whether you actually need a laptop.
Apr 03 08:31:01 <PadavanK> yep, i have 1 room and a little child. at 10pm he goes to sleep and i goe to kitchen
Apr 03 08:31:23 <alex_PP> should be ok
Apr 03 08:31:34 <alex_PP> use a device not the emulator though
Apr 03 08:31:43 <alex_PP> my old MBP was fine
Apr 03 08:32:22 <alex_PP> who is it in here that does all their android work in vi?
Apr 03 08:32:52 <g00s> leeds
Apr 03 08:33:15 <alex_PP> so, there always that option, then you could use any old junker
Apr 03 08:33:21 <Leeds> vim - close enough
Apr 03 08:33:23 <alex_PP> with patience
Apr 03 08:33:32 <alex_PP> and mvn or gradle
Apr 03 08:33:38 <g00s> whoa, there is no NumberPickerPreference ? man google is lazy
Apr 03 08:33:52 <Nilium> Nobody uses vi.
Apr 03 08:34:22 <Nilium> What would a number picker preference do?
Apr 03 08:34:31 <g00s> it would be a Number Picker
Apr 03 08:34:35 <Leeds> pick a number, save it in a preference
Apr 03 08:34:35 <g00s> ha
Apr 03 08:35:16 <Leeds> Nilium: pick a number, any number... is your number... 3?
Apr 03 08:36:36 * Nilium looks at his card
Apr 03 08:36:39 <Nilium> It was a queen.
Apr 03 08:37:08 <Nilium> Wait.. no, just Dr. Frank N Furter. Easy mistake.
Apr 03 08:37:29 <rhcake> is it ok for fragments to keep referneces to their views at all? (since replacing them on the stack doesnt destroy the isntance)
Apr 03 08:38:04 <g00s> rhcake if you do that in onCreate, does it matter :)
Apr 03 08:39:14 <Nilium> rhcake: Considering Fragment provides getView, I'd say yes, it's fine.
Apr 03 08:39:18 <rhcake> >_> im not following
Apr 03 08:39:26 <Nilium> Just don't retain the reference if it's not needed.
Apr 03 08:39:50 <Nilium> So you don't accidentally leak a context or something.
Apr 03 08:40:36 <Nilium> So maybe grab the references in onViewCreated and set them to null in onDestroyView.
Apr 03 08:40:46 <rhcake> using getView all the time :/ what a minor inconvenience
Apr 03 08:42:00 <Nilium> Utterly unacceptable. Actually, though, you probably don't want to use getView if you're going to need to find a subview by ID every time.
Apr 03 08:44:05 <rhcake> how else would i find it without getView?
Apr 03 08:44:25 <g00s> rhcake you should be OK. notice, there is onDestroyView
Apr 03 08:45:20 <rhcake> i fiugred setting the referneces to null would be hacky way of handling this
Apr 03 08:47:57 <g00s> you don't need to
Apr 03 08:48:15 <g00s> if that is necessary, every gapp aosp app has huge problems
Apr 03 08:48:30 <g00s> look at the iosched code for examples
Apr 03 08:57:40 <amazwon> MILF
Apr 03 08:58:17 <thepoosh> wat?
Apr 03 08:58:19 <rhcake> its so big o_o will looking at their code actually answer my question
Apr 03 08:58:36 <gthoma2> So I am trying to have an AlarmManager cancel a notification that has been added to trigger in the future. The Android docs say to use a PendingIntent with getBroadcast that matches the one that I added the notification with. From here I call cancel from the notificationManager with the same id as the notification... my question is...
Apr 03 08:59:18 <gthoma2> Should I create a separate BroadCast Receiver class for cancelling this notification? I imagine I have to cancel the notificaiton within onReceive?
Apr 03 09:02:43 <bluey-_> hmhm I'm trying to read the AndroidManifest.xml Metadata (AplicationInfo) but it crashes... I think it's returning a null object. anyone knows why and what is a workaround
Apr 03 09:09:09 <g00s> bluey-_ it should work; you're doing something wrong ;)
Apr 03 09:26:22 <mylord> I’m getting IllegalStateException, already consumed: EntityUtils.toString(theHttpEntity);
Apr 03 09:26:27 <mylord> but i’m only calling that 1 time
Apr 03 09:27:10 <mylord> but on subsequent calls function containing that, the incoming parameter theHttpEntity is the same object address for some reason.. maybe not discarded or..?
Apr 03 09:27:27 <mylord> what’s wrong here? http://hastebin.com/fefujeqece.avrasm
Apr 03 09:28:51 <Keestu> i have a question. Kindly give your inputs. there is  mediacodec which has got introduced in JB. http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaCodec.html .   I want to know how can i use it for hardware decoding?.
Apr 03 09:48:38 <lambda> i have a strange issue with android maps api v2: occasionally my inapp map remains black / blank for the whole time. the only solution which works is reinstall the app. have someone any idea?
Apr 03 09:48:47 <FrancescoV>  Hi all, I add a fragment in onResumeFragments, but a little time later, I can't find the fragment, what can be the problem?
Apr 03 09:52:45 <rhcake> google app code sure is messy
Apr 03 10:00:49 <g00s> rhcake thats because most android apis result in messy client code
Apr 03 10:05:51 <rhcake> ok the io apps fragments dont dereference their views, though it still feels like the right thing to do
Apr 03 10:09:08 <Ankhwatcher> How can I stop a LinearLayout from changing height when it's ScrollView parent changes height?
Apr 03 10:09:52 <shmooz> Ankhwatcher: wrap_content
Apr 03 10:10:31 <Ankhwatcher> shmooz: yes but I need it to be the size of the full screen
Apr 03 10:10:39 <Ankhwatcher> I need it remain the size of the full screen
Apr 03 10:12:18 <bluey-_> what would you recommend as a good starter book for android. especially one that skips all the java stuff
Apr 03 10:17:42 <g00s> i think they all skip java. maybe big nerd
Apr 03 10:18:04 <g00s> most up to date is probably commonsware, but it was only meh when i read it a few years ago
Apr 03 10:21:36 <wget> Hi guys. I'm experiencing a strange crash when running this code http://pastebin.com/F6umYUVc based on this training tutorial http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#DialogFragment  Here is the stacktrace I have http://pastebin.com/HfAqNT3K Do you know what could be the cause of that?
Apr 03 10:22:25 <wget> I checked on the web and found several possible solution but none are working. return builder.show() instead of create() (which is non sense), try to make our own AlertDialog class, etc.
Apr 03 10:22:52 <rgr> bluey-_: having recently been learning I would almost say dont bother. Do the android dev course google provides and then learn to harness the power of intellij or similiar to query and read up on classes etc. I used the dietel book but while its ok nothing beats actually building and compiling code in the oood IDE.
Apr 03 10:23:11 <rgr> s/oood/good
Apr 03 10:24:04 <bluey-_> yeah. I'll think you're right. But I hate in this process to read classes from people who can't code and sometimes don't notice it :-/
Apr 03 10:24:50 <rgr> what people cant code? Be careful with that view. Its often projection.
Apr 03 10:25:09 <bluey-_> well or use bad design pattern
Apr 03 10:25:52 <rgr> you need to accept that a prepared API wont be as you would do it. They never are. But often only after you become familiar with someting do you realise it was done like that for a reason.
Apr 03 10:34:11 <ingsoc> anyone used sl4a
Apr 03 10:34:14 <ingsoc> android scripting
Apr 03 10:34:23 <ingsoc> or is there a channel specific for that ?
Apr 03 10:42:55 <rhcake> why is googles io app calling isAdded() from onSaveInstanceState() in their fragment >_> is there any scenarion where it might not be added
Apr 03 10:43:05 <omarino> Hi, anyone used APK Extension Files ?
Apr 03 10:43:44 <Smilex> I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 mini connected over USB, and I'm testing my Phonegap app with the file service. In the Application Manager, the phone says that there's "test access to protected storage". Is saving files from web apps not supported on Android yet?
Apr 03 10:43:54 <Smilex> omarino: most do
Apr 03 10:45:13 <omarino> If I have different resolutions of images for my app (1080p, 720p, 480p), Is it possible to make the Google Play download the correct resolution of the images based on the device it self?
Apr 03 10:47:33 <Smilex> omarino: No, unless you implement that logic yourself in the app
Apr 03 10:49:20 <omarino> Smilex: Where will the logic download the files from? Is it possible to make it download from the APK Expansion Files?
Apr 03 10:49:33 <omarino> or do I have to have a host for my app?
Apr 03 10:49:53 <rox> omarino: i don't quite understand the situation you are describing - you want to have the Google Play app display different size images accoding to the size of the device that is viewing your app in Google Play?
Apr 03 10:50:47 <omarino> No, my app requires a lot of images to run (~60mb), I wanted to use APK Expansion Files to download the images
Apr 03 10:51:08 <wget> Still no one for my question asked above? ^
Apr 03 10:54:49 <Smilex> omarino: with the expansion files you can store all of the assets. What I meant was that you hosted the images on your server, and the app would download the correct images
Apr 03 11:00:00 <sensen> wget: PM me
Apr 03 11:00:44 <Gargron> Hey guys
Apr 03 11:00:51 <Gargron> So I'm doing a download in a thread
Apr 03 11:01:33 <Gargron> Should I: a) Try to minimize CPU usage while it happens, by slowing it down with Thread.sleep or b) let it have high CPU usage?
Apr 03 11:01:58 <nebby> Hi there. I am going through a book. I see I can swipe through items in a list using ListPager. But how do I write custom swipe handlers? Eg, I want to swipe between sections in my app (fragments) for example...
Apr 03 11:02:18 <g00s> Gargron just set it to background priority
Apr 03 11:02:33 <Gargron> g00s, how do I set a thread's priority?
Apr 03 11:02:40 <g00s> google knows
Apr 03 11:04:19 <Gargron> g00s, Thread.MIN_PRIORITY, is that it?
Apr 03 11:04:28 <g00s> should be
Apr 03 11:04:40 <Gargron> g00s, ok, got it
Apr 03 11:04:43 <Gargron> testing
Apr 03 11:05:25 <Gargron> CPU still at ~70 during the download
Apr 03 11:05:26 <g00s> also http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Process.html#THREAD_PRIORITY_BACKGROUND
Apr 03 11:07:54 <omarino> Smilex: got you, thanks!
Apr 03 11:09:00 <Gargron> g00s, ok, testing with the background one now
Apr 03 11:11:50 <wget> sensen wasn't able to solve my problem neither? Next one! ;-)
Apr 03 11:11:50 <wget> Does any one have an idea?
Apr 03 11:18:49 <Daneo> I'm running into issues testing an NFC operation. I have 'successfully' mocked a tag, but due to it being a mock, I'm unable to put it to use it in my code, as .connect() results in a NPE.  Suggestions ?
Apr 03 11:19:22 <kate_r> hi
Apr 03 11:19:38 <Daneo> The mock was made using the android.nfc.Tag createMockTag.
Apr 03 11:19:39 <kate_r> if my app doesn't use the action bar, how do i show the 3 dots settings menu when the device hasn't got a hardware key?
Apr 03 11:24:47 <Daneo> Is there any way you correctly mock the ndef.connect() method ?
Apr 03 11:34:54 <ThomQ> Hi all. I got a onTouchListener that fires a couple of times when touched. How would I destroy it after the initial first time touched?
Apr 03 11:35:35 <ThomQ> i've tried setting it to null, but I can't reference the onTouchListener from within the ontouch event
Apr 03 11:38:34 <wget> ThomQ: maybe make a counter you increment at the first time, then if the counter is > 1, you do not execute the event
Apr 03 11:38:56 <wget> a counter or a boolean, same algorithm.
Apr 03 11:40:51 <wget> ThomQ: Btw, why do you need to destroy that event listener?
Apr 03 11:41:04 <wget> JVM = garbage collector.
Apr 03 11:41:24 <ThomQ> wget: It won't be used after the 1 click. Building now, with that counter :)
Apr 03 11:42:08 <wget> ThomQ: Ok, or use a boolean boolean evenTrigerred = false; you put to true after the 1st click ;-)
Apr 03 11:43:13 <ThomQ> wget: K. Counter seems to fire 3 times, so i'll try the boolean
Apr 03 11:45:57 <wget> ThomQ: Btw, if you use the method onTouch() to detect a click, this isn't the right way to proceed.
Apr 03 11:46:27 <ThomQ> Got it working
Apr 03 11:46:31 <ThomQ> Ow, its not?
Apr 03 11:47:05 <wget> ThomQ: The onTouch() method  is called each time you touch AND move your finger on the screen. So the method can be called several times, even if you haven't clicked several times
Apr 03 11:47:16 <ThomQ> Yeah exactly. I gathered as much
Apr 03 11:47:41 <ThomQ> Should I use another method?
Apr 03 11:47:51 <wget> To avoid that, I put a condition to the MotionEvent, the latter must be MotionEvent.ACTION_DOWN.
Apr 03 11:50:01 <wget> ThomQ: Btw, if you use a button, use setOnClickListener instead.
Apr 03 11:50:18 <ThomQ> ahh k, cool
Apr 03 11:54:34 <Leeds> ThomQ: admob all good now, right?
Apr 03 11:54:56 <ThomQ> Yup, it worked for me a day or two ago :)
Apr 03 11:55:26 <Leeds> me too
Apr 03 12:14:58 <pavek> Does anyone by chance have an invite for the Chrome Remote Desktop app?  I would love to try it out!
Apr 03 12:16:12 <g00s> probably someone at the NSA
Apr 03 12:17:25 <pavek> No they have been doing that for years!
Apr 03 12:19:32 <Daneo_> Unable to find test for com.squareup.spoon.Spoon#screenshot ^^
Apr 03 12:22:32 <gavri> I add values to DATA1, DATA2 and DATA3 columns for a raw contact that gets aggregated, but only the value associated with DATA3 is displayed in the contact application. anybody know why this is?
Apr 03 12:23:59 <mikker> I'm very new to android dev and I'm trying to create an emulator
Apr 03 12:24:11 <mikker> But I can only make it work with arm
Apr 03 12:24:25 <mikker> which is terribly slow on my macbook
Apr 03 12:24:57 <mikker> but every time I try and make one with x86 it crashes on boot
Apr 03 12:25:03 <g00s> mikker try genymotion
Apr 03 12:26:20 <mikker> g00s: downloading it right away
Apr 03 12:26:28 <R4md4c> Any Idea why the AlarmManager does not fire any PendingIntent on Android TV Box Although the same application works fine on a tablet or phone ?
Apr 03 12:26:37 <mikker> yuck - sign up needed
Apr 03 12:44:45 <amazwon> Has anyone seen the latest developments on androids hitting earth?
Apr 03 12:45:15 <razor1101> what?
Apr 03 12:45:48 <kate_r> does anyone know how to imitate the effect of the 3-dots option menu on the action bar using an imagebutton? i just can't seem to get the menu to show up at the corner of the button
Apr 03 12:45:55 <kate_r> should i be using a context menu?
Apr 03 12:50:39 <mikker> g00s: Genymotion is indeed a lot faster
Apr 03 12:51:28 <g00s> :)
Apr 03 12:51:59 <Charl1e> <3 Genymotion
Apr 03 12:53:12 <t0th_-> hi
Apr 03 12:53:27 <itamz> the regular android emulator is fast enough for me with HAXM
Apr 03 12:54:03 <t0th_-> i have a menuitem witth actionLayout to layout_test, in my layout_test i have a edittext, how i put the focus in edittext when click on this menuitem  ?
Apr 03 12:54:25 <itamz> oh,  I didn't notice the x86 troubles part
Apr 03 12:54:29 <itamz> nevermind
Apr 03 12:56:48 <mikker> itamz: I have no idea what their origin is but I've tried (it feels like) everything
Apr 03 12:57:02 <mikker> But alas no x86
Apr 03 13:03:16 <R4md4c> Is there any indicator in android SDK that can show, that I am developing for a TV Box devcie ?
Apr 03 13:08:58 <pavel_> Hello everybody, how can i have menu item in action bar on the top side while having item on bottom side too?
Apr 03 13:09:18 <viran> Hey, I need an EditText with the numbers only keyboard, but I need to be able to edit the text at some points to something that's not numeric. i've tried setting the input type to number which gives me the numeric keypad and also to remove the input filters which doesn't seem to work.... any idea how can i accomplish that?
Apr 03 13:12:58 <MDTech-us_MAN> When I try to bind this service http://pastebin.com/j1hn2TQk using this code http://pastebin.com/6bZJ6LAU it will not bind.
Apr 03 13:12:59 <MDTech-us_MAN> here is my Manifest: http://pastebin.com/eTW9Wz9K
Apr 03 13:23:57 <kamol> any book you can recommend ?
Apr 03 13:28:02 <FrancescoV> what can be the problem for this: adding a fragment to supportfragmentmanager, getting the fragment by tag 10 seconds later, but it returns null (tag is the same)
Apr 03 13:36:48 <Ankhwatcher> If I want volley to not retry a request to I set the retry count to 1 or to 0?
Apr 03 13:39:09 <jaynewstrom> Ankhwatcher: 1
Apr 03 13:40:42 <pavel_>  Hello everybody, how can i have menu item in action bar on the top side while having item on bottom side too?
Apr 03 13:40:47 <jaynewstrom> from the code. you can see it might not be named the best :) https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/volley/+/kitkat-dev/src/com/android/volley/DefaultRetryPolicy.java
Apr 03 13:43:09 <FrancescoV> using the support lib v4, has this some issues for using fragments / limitations or something else?
Apr 03 13:54:09 <MDTech-us_MAN> When I try to bind this service http://pastebin.com/j1hn2TQk using this code http://pastebin.com/6bZJ6LAU it will not bind.
Apr 03 13:54:11 <MDTech-us_MAN> here is my Manifest: http://pastebin.com/eTW9Wz9K
Apr 03 13:55:12 <Ankhwatcher> jaynewstrom: thanks
Apr 03 13:59:39 <ech0s7> hi all!
Apr 03 13:59:52 <ech0s7> There is no option menu if the activity set FEATURE_NO_TITLE, why ?
Apr 03 14:00:36 <jaynewstrom> Ankhwatcher: i looked into the code a little more. and i'm not entirely sure what i told you is right. I have a note to look into that later today. for my self too :)
Apr 03 14:01:25 <Ankhwatcher> hah
Apr 03 14:01:29 <Ankhwatcher> well let me know
Apr 03 14:02:25 <Ankhwatcher> wait if 1 means no retries and that's the default then shouldn't my app already be not retrying?
Apr 03 14:02:48 <MDTech-us_MAN> When I try to bind this service http://pastebin.com/j1hn2TQk using this code http://pastebin.com/6bZJ6LAU it will not bind.
Apr 03 14:02:50 <MDTech-us_MAN> here is my Manifest: http://pastebin.com/eTW9Wz9K
Apr 03 14:02:55 <MDTech-us_MAN> plz help
Apr 03 14:04:08 <SuperNoeMan> Hey I have a IntentService being started by startService in an activity that gets kicked off at boot
Apr 03 14:04:16 <SuperNoeMan> but it seems to get killed...
Apr 03 14:04:29 <SuperNoeMan> I thought that an IntentService that was started with startService wouldn't die?
Apr 03 14:09:12 <jaynewstrom> Ankhwatcher: I'll let you know if I get to it today. not sure when i'll finish what i'm working on
Apr 03 14:09:21 <jaynewstrom> let me know if you find anything too please :)
Apr 03 14:14:09 <pfn> SuperNoeMan, it gets killed when there are no jobs to run
Apr 03 14:23:58 <amazwon> With regards to the latest android phones and privacy. Is there more security when using a dumby camera preview in the most recent android versions?
Apr 03 14:24:31 <SuperNoeMan> pfn: but the documentation says that if you create it with startService, it runs until stopService or stopSelf?
Apr 03 14:26:23 <SuperNoeMan> I never called stopSelf or stopService
Apr 03 14:26:25 <SuperNoeMan> ....
Apr 03 14:26:45 <pfn> false, it can stop at any time
Apr 03 14:27:05 <SuperNoeMan> pfn: what? then how do I keep it from stopping?
Apr 03 14:27:16 <SuperNoeMan> pfn: why would they put a lie up there on the documentation?
Apr 03 14:27:56 <SuperNoeMan> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html#CreatingAService
Apr 03 14:28:08 <SuperNoeMan> might want to scroll to "Creating a Started Service"
Apr 03 14:28:37 <SuperNoeMan> ah ok
Apr 03 14:28:38 <SuperNoeMan> Stops the service after all start requests have been handled, so you never have to call
Apr 03 14:28:43 <SuperNoeMan> that tells me everything
Apr 03 14:39:43 <s1gmab3ta> hey guys. I have a VideoView i'm trying to point at an RTSP stream consisting of h.264 video without sound. When I try this, it appears to crash AudioFlinger (log message: "AudioFlinger server died!") is there any way to get VideoView to not look for an audio stream?
Apr 03 14:40:16 <theblang> when you are making layouts using the qualified layout folders, do you leave a copy in the main layout folder as a fallback?
Apr 03 14:44:00 <pfn> SuperNoeMan, reading the docs OP
Apr 03 14:44:28 <SuperNoeMan> pfn: it turns out that a IntentService won't kill itself if it is bound...
Apr 03 14:44:33 <SuperNoeMan> so I have to figure out how to bind it
Apr 03 14:44:38 <Schoumi> hum i have an activityA and in some case activityA should launch another instance of it but it does nothing(no crash, no launch). i'm pretty sure that recently i haven't any problem to do this
Apr 03 14:44:39 <SuperNoeMan> I had the order of activities mixed up
Apr 03 14:44:40 <pfn> it won't kill itself until it gets unbound
Apr 03 14:44:44 <SuperNoeMan> I was having trouble binding it
Apr 03 14:44:50 <pfn> binding it is dumb
Apr 03 14:44:51 <pfn> #1
Apr 03 14:45:03 <pfn> #2, if you don't want the service to exit, don't use an intent service
Apr 03 14:45:18 <SuperNoeMan> well, I need to communicate with it anyway
Apr 03 14:45:27 <SuperNoeMan> and I'm only ever going to need one event processed at a time by it
Apr 03 14:45:35 <SuperNoeMan> so binding it was something I was already planning on
Apr 03 14:45:48 <SuperNoeMan> I had commented out the bind calls because they were causing an exception
Apr 03 14:45:50 <FrancescoV> is it allow/good to add a fragment in onResume of the FragmentActivity?
Apr 03 14:48:11 <Schoumi> an activity can't call itself?
Apr 03 14:53:05 <SuperNoeMan> are services bound to specific activities or to the application?
Apr 03 14:53:16 <SuperNoeMan> like, can I bind to a service in one activity, and then unbind in another?
Apr 03 14:55:08 <FrancescoV> SuperNoeMan: A bound service runs only as long as another application component is bound to it
Apr 03 14:55:54 <SuperNoeMan> oh ok. FrancescoV how can I get a specific service that already exists from an activity that needs to communicate with it?
Apr 03 14:59:03 <FrancescoV> SuperNoeMan: maybe this will help you: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html I haven't done it before
Apr 03 14:59:52 <pfn> SuperNoeMan, a bound service is bound to the service connection, nothing else
Apr 03 15:00:02 <pfn> erm
Apr 03 15:00:04 <pfn> no, that's not right
Apr 03 15:00:07 <phasip> So I am writing an android widget, as users may have many widgets on one screen my onUpdate updates many widgets and may take a very long time. The problem is, I can't find a way to reliably let my update call finish as it seems it sometimes is interrupted after some time. And if I use a asynctask thatone is sometimes also closed. What should I actually do to be sure that the update call finishes?
Apr 03 15:00:10 <pfn> it's bound by context
Apr 03 15:00:29 <pfn> since the stupid service connection isn't used in unbind
Apr 03 15:01:03 <Mavrik> phasip, split updating data into a separate service if it takes too long.
Apr 03 15:02:03 <amazwon> whats a good phone to use to test on?
Apr 03 15:03:41 <phasip> Okay Mavrik, I'll try that
Apr 03 15:05:41 <Syzygy> amazwon, the one most of your users are likely to use.
Apr 03 15:06:02 <Mavrik> also, more broken the better :P
Apr 03 15:06:14 <Syzygy> probably
Apr 03 15:26:39 <phasip> Mavrik: Thanks! It seems to be working
Apr 03 15:27:58 <jonc-1> A question to the people who use Otto in here, if you don't need to actually pass data through a post, but want to use it as more of a notification to do something, do you just create an empty class with a descriptive name?
Apr 03 15:28:39 <jonc-1> so to say I want to start looking for a location, and this needs to be triggered elsewhere, bus.post(new FindLocationEvent());
Apr 03 15:29:07 <jonc-1> where FindLocationEvent is just: public class FindLocationEvent{}
Apr 03 15:45:09 <bacon1989> Anyone have any experience with android remote management? I'm surprised there aren't more solutions for remotely controlling android devices
Apr 03 15:45:40 <bacon1989> I've tried using VNC server, but it keeps crashing, or just doesn't work for my phone
Apr 03 15:51:31 <pfn> ugh, how do I use buildnumber-maven-plugin to generate a buildnumber that android-maven-plugin can use in <manifest>
Apr 03 15:51:41 <pfn> it keeps coming up blank and defaulting to pom version
Apr 03 15:51:45 * pfn kicks maven
Apr 03 15:51:55 <dragorn> bacon1989: sounds like you want remote screen not remote management.  there isn't anything non-hacky for remote screen, it's not really in the architecture
Apr 03 15:56:51 <bacon1989> dragorn: yeah, it seems that way from what i've seen so far
Apr 03 15:57:14 <bacon1989> i'm hoping there would be better support in upcoming versions of android
Apr 03 15:59:05 <FrancescoV> Is it allowed to add a Fragment in onResumeFragments? Fragment is visible but can't find it by tag, what can be the problems/solutions?
Apr 03 16:02:50 <dragorn> bacon1989: I don't think it's somethign people are generally trying to do w/ android, so I wouldn't count on it
Apr 03 16:05:14 <MalekAlrwily> What is monthly earnings from google ads?
Apr 03 16:06:06 <bacon1989> dragorn: what is a better alternative for a cheap, powerful device that you can throw full 1080p video on?
Apr 03 16:06:33 <p_l> bacon1989: depends on what you define as 1080p
Apr 03 16:06:42 <dragorn> bacon1989: chromecast with plex is what I use.
Apr 03 16:06:49 <Leeds> MalekAlrwily: well, it's the amount you make each month from Google ads...
Apr 03 16:06:59 <dragorn> the android model is more remote control than remote display driving
Apr 03 16:07:37 <p_l> majority of what goes for 1080p video will easily go on some of the older (but top-end) android devices. SGS2 managed to put *more* than that. Avoid Tegra2 like hell
Apr 03 16:08:00 <MalekAlrwily> Leeds: for clicks or views
Apr 03 16:08:03 <MalekAlrwily> ?
Apr 03 16:08:11 <Leeds> clicks, normally
Apr 03 16:08:13 <bacon1989> well, we have an android app that boots on startup and goes straight to a webview displaying our information
Apr 03 16:08:33 <bacon1989> the problem is remote controlling the android device
Apr 03 16:08:42 <MalekAlrwily> Leeds: no earning for views?
Apr 03 16:08:54 <Leeds> views are easy
Apr 03 16:09:00 <bacon1989> it's fully rooted, so i've been just suggesting rolling our own remote control through screenshots and emulated finger taps
Apr 03 16:09:18 <bacon1989> but we need to look at third-party alternatives first
Apr 03 16:09:22 <dragorn> bacon1989: so control the webview via js or a tcp socket?
Apr 03 16:09:35 <bacon1989> no not the webview, the actual device
Apr 03 16:09:45 <bacon1989> the main use for the device is displaying a webview though
Apr 03 16:09:46 <MalekAlrwily> Leeds: is there a way to change it to the views?
Apr 03 16:09:58 <Leeds> MalekAlrwily: I don't think so...
Apr 03 16:10:04 <MalekAlrwily> :(
Apr 03 16:10:19 <Leeds> views are nearly worthless
Apr 03 16:10:20 <bacon1989> but we need to mak esure the displays are running, so it would be nice to be able to get screenshots, and even control the device remotely
Apr 03 16:10:24 <bacon1989> sort of like a VNC session
Apr 03 16:10:40 <bacon1989> for troubleshooting etc
Apr 03 16:11:27 <bacon1989> one major downfall to VNC is all the portforwarding we would have to do, where as with our windows systems, we can just use LogMeIn from a web browser to remote into our systems
Apr 03 16:12:46 <bacon1989> One that looked promising was 3CX Mobile Device Manager, but it only offers a shell. They had some sort of remote viewer in one of their older versions, but I guess they got fed up with it and stopped trying to develop it
Apr 03 16:13:00 <bacon1989> So I can only imagine that development in this realm is rather difficult
Apr 03 16:14:21 <MalekAlrwily> Leeds: What about this: https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/190515
Apr 03 16:15:31 <Leeds> MalekAlrwily: as far as I know that's a backwards calculation - that is, if you earned $10 from 100 clicks, and that came from 10000 ad views, you're earning $1 per thousand views
Apr 03 16:17:36 <MalekAlrwily> :(
Apr 03 16:18:41 <Leeds> anyone around want to do me a quick off-topic favour?
Apr 03 16:33:55 <aviran> hey folks, this doesnt seem to be a big question but it's unanswered on SO, maybe you could help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22839275/android-edittext-force-numeric-keyboard-but-allow-non-numeric-chars
Apr 03 16:50:55 <rsz> what is the difference between loader // fragment without UI // service ? why do I need the service, if I can do things async-ly with loader and why do I need the service when I can do the same with fragment-without-ui ?
Apr 03 16:57:46 <yiati> rsz: Services can run in the background even when the user is using a different app
Apr 03 16:58:12 <yiati> rsz: If you can do something without a Service you probably don't need a service
Apr 03 16:59:49 <rsz> ok, thanks yiati.
Apr 03 17:03:06 <IchGuckLive> Hi all is there a way on Oriantatio Landscape to tell wittch direction so the  screen is not upside down
Apr 03 17:11:20 <StrangeBrew> IchGuckLive, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14477133/how-to-use-android-sensor-event-to-determine-if-device-is-facing-up-or-down
Apr 03 17:11:47 <IchGuckLive> Thanks
Apr 03 17:11:49 <StrangeBrew> If i got you right..
Apr 03 17:11:58 <StrangeBrew> bp
Apr 03 17:12:00 <StrangeBrew> np
Apr 03 17:13:38 <IchGuckLive> i got one mashine the app is runing on that starts the app  upside down in landscape mode
Apr 03 17:24:50 <colintheshots> My Android Studio kept freezing, so I deleted my preferences and reimported the project. Now it says it can’t find the Google APIs, even though the version it’s requesting is definitely installed.
Apr 03 17:27:17 <IchGuckLive> did you update to 0.5.4
Apr 03 17:44:30 <Mango_Man> anyone using RxJava for android?
Apr 03 17:45:01 <lacerda> hi, anyone knows what exactly "Wi-Fi optimizations", in Advanced Settings, do?
Apr 03 17:45:12 <lacerda> in order to save battery
Apr 03 17:45:12 <colintheshots> Mango_Man: That’s my question, too. I’m really interested in it.
Apr 03 17:45:54 <Mango_Man> colintheshots: it looks lovely, and i can see how it'd be useful for expressing async calls. but there's very little mention of it beyond several blog posts on google.
Apr 03 17:46:18 <Mango_Man> on the android side, not general java/scala/jvm stuff
Apr 03 17:54:11 <androidnewb> Anyone know a social networking tutorial for android ? video or non-video is okay.
Apr 03 17:54:31 <aviran> Hey, anyone knows if a commercial app can use LGPL libraries?
Apr 03 18:01:17 <Mango_Man> man, continuation passing style is a really complicated name for something that's actually really simple in practice
Apr 03 18:04:04 <parmegv> hey, any good and recent lecture about gradle and android? I need to wrap my head around gradle to migrate from an ant project with multiple jni projects
Apr 03 18:06:53 <JakeWharton> Mango_Man: i am
Apr 03 18:07:54 <Mango_Man> JakeWharton: yeah i'm reading your u2020 app's source code at the moment for rxjava usage
Apr 03 18:08:05 <JakeWharton> it doesn't use it very extensively
Apr 03 18:11:53 <RetroDude> How do you take a screenshot with your phone.  I thought you could press volume down + power, but that doesn't seem to work?
Apr 03 18:13:29 <RetroDude> never mind, had to hold it for 1 second
Apr 03 18:30:35 <codetroll> good morning (ugt) - I wonder if anyone can help me with how I can do my initial setup in my application... My intended flow is described here : http://pastebin.com/JdZn0m4g
Apr 03 18:49:07 <jaynewstrom> Ankhwatcher: it looks like making network requests with 0 for the maxNumRetries works.
Apr 03 18:52:13 <theblang> codetroll for #2 you can set android:launchMode="singleTask" for the splash screen, I believe.
Apr 03 18:52:40 <codetroll> theblang - thanks I will look into that..
Apr 03 18:55:24 <theblang> codetroll for progress bar you could use http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#setProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility(boolean)
Apr 03 18:55:49 <codetroll> theblang on my way..... :)
Apr 03 18:57:33 <theblang> codetroll for chaining together your website calls, if you need the data from website a before requesting to website b, you can launch a new async task from the onPostExecute of your first async task.  that is how I did it anyway, not sure if it is the best way
Apr 03 18:58:21 <theblang> codetroll for showing a progress message, I used Toasts rather than change text in the action bar.
Apr 03 18:58:27 <codetroll> That is what I have seen as well.. It is not very nice code to look at though..
Apr 03 18:58:59 <codetroll> Well - I'd prefer to have a progress bar - but toasts may be the solution if I can't get it to work..
Apr 03 18:59:00 <theblang> codetroll which code?
Apr 03 18:59:37 <theblang> codetroll well, you can do both.  I do in all of my server queries.  I just display the indeterminate bar, then display a toast when the request is complete
Apr 03 18:59:47 <codetroll> my async calls, chained.. But I can probably move stuff about so it doesn't look cluttered
Apr 03 18:59:49 <codetroll> ah ok
Apr 03 19:00:17 <theblang> codetroll I see what you mean, you don't want to flash a lot of Toasts.  for me I just had to display one when everything was done
Apr 03 19:01:15 <codetroll> Yeah - I want the entire process to be displayed..  I hate when a lot of stuff happens and you can't see what is happening ;)
Apr 03 19:02:01 <theblang> codetroll yeah, im not sure wha tthe best way to handle that would be... let me know what you end up doing
Apr 03 19:02:37 <codetroll> I will.. I will probably take my time to get the progress bar working before I fall back to toasts ;)
Apr 03 19:20:59 <Zta> Hm, when I use the wizard in Eclipse to make a new Android project, and/or add a new Activity, it creates a class extending ActionBarActivity with an onCreate() that adds a PlaceHolderFragement to a SupportFragmentManager.  Is this really the standard?
Apr 03 19:21:30 <Zta> I think it used to be just a simple Activity with a plain onCreate().
Apr 03 19:21:43 <Zta> No ActionBar, not Fragments..
Apr 03 19:21:50 <f2prateek> It is if you're using fragments and supporting API<14
Apr 03 19:22:42 <Zta> I'd like to support API<14 but I'm not sure about if I want the Fragments...
Apr 03 19:24:53 <Zta> Anyway, I'm just struggling with a layout where I cannot make my ImageView align with the bottom of the screen.  So I tried tracing what was going on, and I realized that my Fragment was of course inside the Activity's layout, and thought that could be causing the trouble.  But the Activity's layout is a FrameLayout which I guess is harmless...
Apr 03 19:25:53 <SuperNoeMan> what happens if you call start service on a service that already exists?
Apr 03 19:25:55 <thepoosh> Zta: is the base of the fragment a RelativeLayout?
Apr 03 19:27:31 <thepoosh> “Every call to this method will result in a corresponding call to the target service's onStartCommand(Intent, int, int) method, with the intent given here. This provides a convenient way to submit jobs to a service without having to bind and call on to its interface.”
Apr 03 19:27:33 <thepoosh> SuperNoeMan:
Apr 03 19:27:35 <thepoosh> ^
Apr 03 19:32:12 <dragorn> SuperNoeMan: if it's already running it keeps running.  I just always call start, it doens't hurt anything.
Apr 03 19:32:25 <dragorn> thepoosh: interesting, I think I didn't realize that.  That's handy.
Apr 03 19:32:54 <thepoosh> dragorn: all i did is go to the docs on that method
Apr 03 19:33:03 <dunkel2> hello
Apr 03 19:33:05 <thepoosh> in the Context.startService
Apr 03 19:33:10 <thepoosh> dunkel2: !
Apr 03 19:33:25 <Zta> thepoosh: yes it is.
Apr 03 19:34:49 <dunkel2> i add a fragmetn to the backstage that new fragmetn sets a new title for the actionbar, but when i pop that fragment i dont get back my previous title, how can i detect in the previous fragment that that fragmetn is now on the window to change back the title?
Apr 03 19:34:51 <Zta> thepoosh: Currently the only child of the RelativeLayout is an ImageView with alignParentBottom="true" and wrap_content.  But maybe those attributes don't work when there are no other Views in the Layout?
Apr 03 19:35:28 <thepoosh> could it be that the image is just too large?
Apr 03 19:35:30 <dragorn> thepoosh: oh i'm sure, but I didn't remember reading it however long ago.  Not sure I actually need it, but it's convenient.
Apr 03 19:35:39 <thepoosh> yes
Apr 03 19:35:46 <thepoosh> docs are very convinient
Apr 03 19:36:06 <Zta> thepoosh: the image is displayed in the center of the screen, but fits in the width.
Apr 03 19:36:30 <thepoosh> well, it seems like the "wrap_content" is doing this to you
Apr 03 19:44:12 <Zta> it acts like a match_parent if I understand it correctly.
Apr 03 19:46:23 <thepoosh> Zta: it resizes according to the size of the bitmap
Apr 03 19:50:38 <dunkel2> how can i call a fragmetn method in the onBackStackChanged listener
Apr 03 20:00:46 <t0th_-> hi
Apr 03 20:00:54 <t0th_-> any can help me with Autocompletetextview ?
Apr 03 20:00:59 <Zta> thepoosh: Please see http://imgur.com/DexA7ia
Apr 03 20:02:05 <Zta> I want the grass to be at the bottom of the view and stretch to the width of the image.  The orange RelativeLayout "innerlayout" should fill out the rest above the image.
Apr 03 20:03:13 <Zta> (I probably haven't thought this though, because rotating the screen to a horizontal orientation will fill everything with grass, but ... that's a different problem =)  Right now I don't understand why the grass is centered)
Apr 03 20:10:10 <Zta> Anyone?
Apr 03 20:10:25 <SimonVT> Try https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ImageView.html#attr_android:adjustViewBounds
Apr 03 20:13:33 <Zta> SimonVT: YAY! Thanks =)
Apr 03 20:15:58 <Zta> I'm too new to Android layouts to understand why this isn't the default...
Apr 03 20:18:11 <SimonVT> It happens because the image is larger than drawn on screen.. By the default the width and height is the images size
Apr 03 20:18:37 <SimonVT> Since there's a constraint on how wide it can be (match_parent), the width is no longer the images width
Apr 03 20:18:45 <SimonVT> The height is still the images height
Apr 03 20:18:58 <SimonVT> (since it just wraps content)
Apr 03 20:19:33 <Zta> Ah..
Apr 03 20:19:48 <SimonVT> The default behavior is to just fit the image within the bounds of the view
Apr 03 20:20:10 <Zta> but still without preserving aspect ration?
Apr 03 20:21:58 <SimonVT> Lets say you wanted the ImageView to draw the image as tall as it is, and just crop away the sides
Apr 03 20:22:12 <SimonVT> Then you wouldn't want the imageview to ensure its aspect ratio matches that of the image
Apr 03 20:23:12 <Zta> hm, true.
Apr 03 20:23:30 <Zta> I guess I need to experiment a little with this.
Apr 03 20:23:56 <SimonVT> The most common usecase is to display an image that's smaller than the screen.. For this case the defaults work
Apr 03 20:24:23 <SimonVT> (at least mine is)
Apr 03 20:24:44 <SimonVT> Look into ScaleType as well, you'll need to know about those
Apr 03 20:24:55 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ImageView.ScaleType.html
Apr 03 20:25:08 <SimonVT> Basic image scaling
Apr 03 20:28:55 <arphen> I can't get my (really simple application) to register scroll and fling gestures, can someone take a look? http://pastebin.com/ikN6yzbn
Apr 03 20:29:01 <arphen> When I scroll or fling nothing happens, where it should log something.
Apr 03 20:33:32 <Zta> SimonVT: Thanks a lot.
Apr 03 20:33:46 <jaynewstrom> arphen: are you setting the activity as a scroll listener somewhere?
Apr 03 20:34:16 <jaynewstrom> you'd have to do listView.setOnScrollListener(this);
Apr 03 20:35:31 <jaynewstrom> shoot. after looking at your code. you're using gesture detector. don't mind me
Apr 03 21:09:02 <TSCHAKMac> What is the best way to swap out a fragment that is being serviced by a ViewPager?
Apr 03 21:10:31 <pfn> just swap it out in your adapter
Apr 03 21:11:09 <TSCHAKMac> okay, I'm needing to do a tab view, and in each tab view a somewhat linear progression of screens, as items are selected.
Apr 03 21:13:36 <Styles> Hey guys, where does http://www.appannie.com get all the data about apps? It seems the play store only displays the newest coolest highest rated apps.
Apr 03 21:19:38 <TSCHAKMac> pfn: do I need to notify the viewpager that something has changed? (e.g. calling setAdapter again?)
Apr 03 21:19:50 <arphen> jaynewstrom, is that correct as gesture detector?
Apr 03 21:23:06 <jaynewstrom> arphen: no. read the class overview http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/GestureDetector.html
Apr 03 21:39:05 <makeitTim> hey, anybody done a controllers.json yet for amazon fire tv?
Apr 03 21:40:06 <arphen> I can't get my (really simple application) to register scroll and fling gestures, can someone take a look? http://pastebin.com/ikN6yzbn
Apr 03 21:40:14 <arphen> When I scroll or fling nothing happens, where it should log something.
Apr 03 21:40:48 <nimwho> hey guys
Apr 03 21:43:11 <nimwho> I have a questioin regarding encryption...so I encrypted my rooted ls980 (sprint lg g2) while on cm11, and then BOOM my password doesn't work.  I could still get into cwm recovery, but the only thing it let me format was the /system.  It won't let me format /data.  Also, possibly BECAUSE I formatted the /system I may have lost root?  Now when I try to close cwm recovery, it says I don't
Apr 03 21:43:11 <nimwho> have root access, and asks me if I want to root the phone (it never seems to work, it still asks every time).  WTF do I do?  Haven't had use of my phone in 5 days, and I wanted to start working on developping :'(
Apr 03 21:43:53 <nimwho> oh right, and adb isn't recognizing the phone...
Apr 03 21:55:44 <MDTech-us_MAN> When I try to bind this service http://pastebin.com/j1hn2TQk using this code http://pastebin.com/6bZJ6LAU it will not bind.
Apr 03 21:55:46 <MDTech-us_MAN> here is my Manifest: http://pastebin.com/eTW9Wz9K
Apr 03 21:56:46 <pfn> TSCHAKMac, notifyDataSetChanged, as with all adapters
Apr 03 21:56:56 <pfn> TSCHAKMac, you also need to set an appropriate tag on the fragment
Apr 03 21:57:02 <pfn> default fragmentpageradapter is dumb
Apr 03 21:57:17 <TSCHAKMac> okay.
Apr 03 22:01:34 * MDTech-us_MAN is breakin' walls! http://cur.cursors-4u.net/smilies/images1/smi20.gif
Apr 03 22:01:42 * MDTech-us_MAN is sledge hammering his computer! http://youtu.be/SAT1eBpJyG8?t=30s
Apr 03 22:01:55 <MDTech-us_MAN> WHAT GIVES
Apr 03 22:02:10 <pfn> because, you lack details
Apr 03 22:02:14 <pfn> google esr smart questions
Apr 03 22:02:52 <MDTech-us_MAN> what info do you need?
Apr 03 22:04:19 <nimwho> can anyone help me?
Apr 03 22:04:29 <nimwho> I have a questioin regarding ridding a phone of encryption...so I encrypted my rooted ls980 (sprint lg g2) while on cm11, and then BOOM my password doesn't work.  I could still get into cwm recovery, but the only thing it let me format was the /system.  It won't let me format /data.  Also, possibly BECAUSE I formatted the /system I may have lost root?  Now when I try to close cwm recovery,
Apr 03 22:04:30 <nimwho> it says I don't have root access, and asks me if I want to root the phone (it never seems to work, it still asks every time).  WTF do I do?  Haven't had use of my phone in 5 days, and I wanted to start working on developping :'(
Apr 03 22:06:41 <MDTech-us_MAN> nimwho: see #android-root ,  #android-rom ,  and also the guys at #verizons3 helped
Apr 03 22:07:21 <MDTech-us_MAN> please note, #verizons3 is MOSTLY for the Galaxy S3, but you still can ask around
Apr 03 22:08:48 <Mentos> Might anyone know why my focusChangeListener on a SearchView isn't being called when I click the SearchView and it gains focus/shows keyboard?
Apr 03 22:08:53 <MDTech-us_MAN> pfn: I used the tutorial at http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html#Binder
Apr 03 22:20:49 <MDTech-us_MAN> pfn: When I removed the loop that checks weather the service is binded and I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/SG2Yvqdn
Apr 03 22:27:36 <MDTech-us_MAN> Is there a way to bind to a service in a different process?
Apr 03 22:41:16 <pfn> so fix your NPE
Apr 03 22:41:18 <pfn> sounds like an easy problem
Apr 03 22:49:31 <pfn> and "loop" wtf are you looping on
Apr 03 22:50:39 <pfn> what garbage are you doing...
Apr 03 22:51:45 <g00s> AS bugfix update \o/
Apr 03 22:58:01 <ThomQ> Hi all. I've been googling for a bit now, but I cant find any more info on swiping views, except the http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/swipe-views.html page which doesn't give any script reference links at all. All I could find was stuff about swiping tabs, which i'm not using. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
Apr 03 23:12:10 <g00s> is there some way to quickly switch between projects in AS/intellij so I don't kick off a build each time? one thing I really loved about eclipse , being able to have multiple projects open at the same time
Apr 03 23:13:35 <pifon> "The import android cannot be
Apr 03 23:13:36 <pifon> 	 resolved"
Apr 03 23:13:40 <pifon> What does this error mean?
Apr 03 23:14:12 <pifon> Also this :"The import java.io cannot be resolved"
Apr 03 23:14:26 <pifon> I am getting these in a project
Apr 03 23:14:31 <bazil5> Hi.
Apr 03 23:14:35 <pifon> on eclipse
Apr 03 23:14:41 <bazil5> Anyone knows android programming well and will help me for btc/ltc?
Apr 03 23:14:42 <g00s> ah, it was open in new window (not replace)
Apr 03 23:15:14 <pifon> I recently moved my project to a new windows installation BUT this error does not occur in other projects
Apr 03 23:27:47 <bazil5> Anyone knows android programming well and will help me for btc/ltc?
Apr 03 23:28:10 <JesusFreke> bazil5: see /topic
Apr 03 23:29:12 <g00s> what is btc/ltc ?
Apr 03 23:29:47 <JesusFreke> bitcoin/litecoin
Apr 03 23:29:56 <JesusFreke> do you even internet!? ;)
Apr 03 23:30:18 <Nilium> buttcoin
Apr 03 23:30:46 <Nilium> I remember I was offered bitcoins or regular monies for a job
Apr 03 23:31:21 <Nilium> I sort of question the sanity of anyone offering or taking buttcoins in exchange for work
Apr 03 23:31:32 <johnhamelink> I've been paid >£4k from various projects in bitcoin
Apr 03 23:31:36 <scelis> Is there any way to disable the highlighting of a single row in the middle of a ListView without losing the separators above and below that row? using areAllItemsEnabled and isEnabled removes those separators.
Apr 03 23:32:30 <lupine> johnhamelink, only if you cashed them out straightaway
Apr 03 23:32:37 <johnhamelink> lupine: ha
Apr 03 23:33:01 <lupine> for srs, nobody in the bitcoin ecosystem can run infrastructure
Apr 03 23:33:02 <johnhamelink> I didn't actually, I used them to pay some developers in other countries with no exchange conversion fee ;)
Apr 03 23:35:14 <JesusFreke> actually, you paid 2 conversion fees
Apr 03 23:35:38 <JesusFreke> from <source currency> to bitcoin, then bitcoin to <target currency>
Apr 03 23:35:57 <JesusFreke> or at least 1 side paid one of those fees :)
Apr 03 23:36:28 <johnhamelink> JesusFreke: nah, I was paid in btc, then paid someone else
Apr 03 23:36:31 <johnhamelink> so no conversion fee for moi
Apr 03 23:36:58 <JesusFreke> yeah, fair enough, if it stays in btc.
Apr 03 23:37:14 <johnhamelink> yeah :)
Apr 03 23:42:16 <bazil5> where can i upload an eclipse project for assistance?
Apr 04 00:07:44 <CrispyClean> Hello… I’m coding in html 5 and for some reason I can’t get this image to display on android 2.3. It shows when I navigate directly to the images URL but not inside my page.
Apr 04 00:09:06 <DoYouKnow> hi. I am getting an error: cannot convert from type mapsactivity to fragment, after following androidhive's tutorial on Android Tab Layout with Swipeable Views
Apr 04 00:09:38 <g00s> CrispyClean html5, android 2.3 ? LOL !
Apr 04 00:09:42 <DoYouKnow> return new MapsActivity; : Type mismatch: cannot convert from type MapsActivity to Fragment
Apr 04 00:10:02 <DoYouKnow> return new MapsActivity(); : Type mismatch: cannot convert from type MapsActivity to Fragment
Apr 04 00:10:02 <DoYouKnow> rather
Apr 04 00:11:24 <dunkel2> hello
Apr 04 00:11:32 <CrispyClean> g00s i know i know but everything else works… even an audio tage. It’s just one jpg :-(
Apr 04 00:12:11 <DoYouKnow> hi dunkel2
Apr 04 00:13:13 <dunkel2> how can i make my app compatible with android 2.3?
Apr 04 00:13:38 <dunkel2> do i just need to change this value? android:minSdkVersion="16"
Apr 04 00:13:52 <JesusFreke> dunkel2: you have to make sure you're not using any incompatible apis
Apr 04 00:14:37 <JesusFreke> In some cases, you can have dynamic checks on the api level "protecting" calls to apis that didn't exist in 2.3 or whatever
Apr 04 00:14:54 <DoYouKnow> yeah, my minsdkversion is like 11 right now
Apr 04 00:14:56 <JesusFreke> of course, you have to either disable whatever that feature is, or provide some workaround/alternate implementation
Apr 04 00:15:00 <DoYouKnow> for this app I'm working on
Apr 04 00:15:14 <dunkel2> mm i see, and how can i know the incompatible apis?
Apr 04 00:15:18 <JesusFreke> but yes, changing the minsdk is the first step. That will at least let it be installed
Apr 04 00:15:28 <dunkel2> my app is pretty simple
Apr 04 00:15:32 <dunkel2> jsut normal stuff
Apr 04 00:15:36 <dunkel2> but im using the drawer
Apr 04 00:15:39 <dunkel2> and fragments
Apr 04 00:15:40 <JesusFreke> dunkel2: I believe there should be some lint checks. But I don't know offhand how to run the android linter
Apr 04 00:16:06 <JesusFreke> well, if you're using fragments, you'll have to use the support library in order to use them on 2.3
Apr 04 00:16:18 <JesusFreke> because fragments didn't exist on 2.3
Apr 04 00:17:00 <wviana> Hi guys, I'm having a problem, ever time that I import a project I'm getting a lot of app.v4.fragments and a style error   <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light"> , is it common ? I'm having this error with a lot of different projects, and I already try in different computers.
Apr 04 00:17:13 <dunkel2> oooh then i will need to change the imports to support.v4
Apr 04 00:17:26 <dunkel2> and then fix all the getFragmetn to getSupport
Apr 04 00:17:29 <dunkel2> right?
Apr 04 00:17:53 <wviana> I think dunkel2 is having a close problem , kkk
Apr 04 00:19:11 <dunkel2> what do you mean :(
Apr 04 00:19:44 <wviana> I'm geting crazy here with this app.v4 errors
Apr 04 00:20:10 <wviana> dunkel2: I mean looks like mine
Apr 04 00:20:19 <dunkel2> :O
Apr 04 00:20:39 <dunkel2> i hope i can deal with it :S
Apr 04 00:40:28 <DoYouKnow> http://pastebin.com/djfmMNG9
Apr 04 00:40:45 <DoYouKnow> I am getting an error on return new MapsActivity()
Apr 04 00:40:53 <DoYouKnow> and return new WarningsActivity()
Apr 04 00:41:30 <DoYouKnow> it said the return type if MapsActivity/WarningsActivity and not a fragment
Apr 04 00:41:38 <DoYouKnow> while I'm sure I'm returning what's supposed to be a fragment
Apr 04 00:41:50 <DoYouKnow> unless the rootView is unpacked into non-fragment form
Apr 04 00:41:54 <DoYouKnow> which I don't think is possible
Apr 04 00:45:32 <DoYouKnow> I don't understand how a function can return the name itself as a type
Apr 04 00:45:42 <DoYouKnow> *the name of the function itself
Apr 04 00:45:59 <DoYouKnow> I maybe did at one time
Apr 04 00:46:01 <DoYouKnow> but not now
Apr 04 00:52:52 <creatorb1> do you have a sample source project, about update db with webservice? i need to learning about that i have searched on google but difficulty to found like as i mean........
Apr 04 00:55:45 <bazil5> hi. where can I find a coder who'll help me with programming an app for a fee?
Apr 04 00:58:08 <Left_Turn> ask in #freenode
Apr 04 01:03:35 <DoYouKnow> ok, I think I found my problem. the fragment xmls I was referencing weren't being detected, so I went with one of the compiler solutions and it was completely wrong
Apr 04 01:04:00 <DoYouKnow> now it thinks the fragment is of type XmlPullParser
Apr 04 01:04:02 <DoYouKnow> whatever that is
Apr 04 01:21:00 <Maziz> hi all
Apr 04 01:21:06 <Mango_Man> all i want to do is a bulkInsert of at most 100 ContentValues objects, off the UI thread. which concurrency method would you guys/gals choose?
Apr 04 01:36:00 <Thorbear> AsyncQueryHandler
Apr 04 01:36:36 <g00s> make sure you do the 100 as a batch (in 1 transaction)
Apr 04 01:40:56 <Mango_Man> thanks Thorbear! i think g00s mentioned this yesterday too...though i got distracted by asynctask vs handler vs service vs intentservice vs rxjava etc etc
Apr 04 01:42:11 <g00s> i forgot how AQS worked wrt transactions; for large bulk it might not be good
Apr 04 01:43:02 <g00s> but still, prepared statements off a thread in a service in a (series) of transactions, maybe each 100 or so inserts
Apr 04 01:43:05 <Thorbear> Mango_Man: If you want to insert things into a database outside the UI thread, you'll either want AsyncQueryHandler working with a ContentProvider, or some sort of service.
Apr 04 01:44:06 <g00s> on my old froyo phone, i got 3k rec/sec insert
Apr 04 01:44:48 <Thorbear> I've found AQH to work quite well, even with large amounts of data, although it took some fiddling with the implementation of my contentprovider, to make sure all rows were inserted in a single transaction
Apr 04 01:52:21 <codeguru> any ListFragment gurus online?
Apr 04 01:53:13 <Mango_Man> Thorbear: hmm, i see what you mean, that'll definitely take a bit of fiddling. especially with inserts into tables with many-to-many relationships
Apr 04 01:53:17 <slani> any NavigationDrawer gurus online :D
Apr 04 01:53:36 <Mango_Man> slani: i can help, what's your problem?
Apr 04 01:57:43 <slani> Mango_Man: I'm traying to implement NavigationDrawer. When I select first item on navigation list my app crashed. Here is a code and log cat. Also when I start app fisrt fragment is not visibel. http://bpaste.net/show/EBCEvEh3m939RdqTjf5y/
Apr 04 01:58:35 <slani> Mango_Man: I can paset all code if you need it
Apr 04 01:59:51 <dragorn> slani: it's right at the top of the exception list.
Apr 04 01:59:57 <dragorn> slani: explicitly, java.lang.ClassCastException: org.test.app.MainActivity@b1256be0 must implement OnFragmentInteractionListener
Apr 04 02:00:16 <dragorn> slani: look at some of the demo code; you must implement the listener class as well and the associated functions
Apr 04 02:01:16 <dragorn> slani: in the demo code look explicitly for something like MainActivity extends Activity implements ....
Apr 04 02:04:22 <Mango_Man> slani dragorn - alternatively you could drop support for pre-API 14 navigationdrawers
Apr 04 02:05:08 <slani> dragorn: I'm doing on this example and  http://developer.android.com/training/implementing-navigation/nav-drawer.html there is no OnFragmentInteractionListener
Apr 04 02:05:48 <dragorn> I suspect you're not doing quite what you think you're doing.  Maybe you're mixing support and non-support objects.
Apr 04 02:05:58 <slani> hm??
Apr 04 02:06:00 <dragorn> That error is pretty explicit anyhow.  Fortunately for you.
Apr 04 02:06:07 <slani> yes
Apr 04 02:06:20 <dragorn> you can do annoying things like include some stuff from the support lib, and some stuff not
Apr 04 02:06:29 <Mango_Man> slani: The exception occurs after selectItem() btw
Apr 04 02:06:33 <dragorn> and then you get weird behavior.  Usually it just won't compile.
Apr 04 02:07:09 <dragorn> slani: it looks, btw, like that error is due to viewpager, not the drawer.
Apr 04 02:08:45 <chups> clear
Apr 04 02:10:55 <slani> so I have to solution. implement OnFragmentInteractionListener or develop my app for andorid with API >= 14
Apr 04 02:12:06 <chups> hey guys is the reminder bubble part of the sdk, if not do you know of a library that supports it?
Apr 04 02:12:44 <slani> Mango_Man: thanks
Apr 04 02:12:48 <slani> dragorn: thanks
Apr 04 02:12:49 <Mango_Man> slani: if you're straight-up following the nav drawer guide, then you shouldn't be getting this error. check your imports, or check what's happening after selectItem() gets called, or look over how the nav drawer objects are interacting with your existing code
Apr 04 02:16:08 <dragorn> slani: look at the viewpager stuff in the support docs, that'll probably answer it
Apr 04 02:18:12 <g00s> dragorn your quick opinion on something, if an app connects to a BT device, what UI options would you give the user for connection retry, reconnection retry, backoff/delay, etc? atm, i only reconnect if the UI is presented (and no limit to attempts)
Apr 04 02:19:11 <g00s> trying to decide if its worth exposing these at all; if the nature of BT makes this a special case (most apps don't expose these things)
Apr 04 02:19:35 <androidnewb> Hi how do you know which was was click in the ArrayAdapter list?
Apr 04 02:20:29 <Mango_Man> androidnewb: the position is passed in as a param in the onclicklistener
Apr 04 02:20:31 <Mango_Man> something like that
Apr 04 02:21:39 <androidnewb> Mango_Man: I know how to do it to a simple_list, you know any tutorial video or non-video for it? if you make your own ArrayAdapter?
Apr 04 02:22:31 <t2mkn> Which device u recommend for devs. Nexue 5, Galaxy S5, Xperia Z1, HTC One m8 ?
Apr 04 02:22:31 <Mango_Man> androidnewb: if you extend arrayadapter, then the position is passed into getView()
Apr 04 02:22:45 <Mango_Man> androidnewb: should you decide to override getView()
Apr 04 02:23:05 <androidnewb> Mango_Man: ok, ill keep that in mind when working, thanks!
Apr 04 02:24:14 <t2mkn> Any one ... ?
Apr 04 02:24:56 <PadavanK> nexus 5 or galaxy
Apr 04 02:26:40 <t2mkn> Galaxy S5 m thinking.  Any better if nexus 5 is considered?
Apr 04 02:27:33 <PadavanK> well, with nexus you'll always have newest version of android
Apr 04 02:28:01 <glassuser14> hi everyone
Apr 04 02:28:31 <glassuser14> i wanted to know if anyone knew how to pull data from the gplay store like appname, devname, etc. something like how appannie does
Apr 04 02:29:03 <t2mkn> Humm what about Google's. 18 months roadmap
Apr 04 02:30:01 <t2mkn> They dont like to give update if device is older then 18 months
Apr 04 02:32:29 <dragorn> g00s: hm.  I guess the question is how unstable your bt connection is
Apr 04 02:33:04 <g00s> dragorn once its connected its ok; for some reason its taking multiple attempts to connect though. usually, 3-4
Apr 04 02:34:24 <dragorn> g00s: i'd probably just limit that to some number before you warn the user at all
Apr 04 02:34:26 <dragorn> g00s: like 5
Apr 04 02:34:37 <dragorn> g00s: just let it churn until it connects, up to some number
Apr 04 02:34:52 <dragorn> if you know it's going to take a bunch of tries, no point in telling the user all the time when youe xpect it to fix itself
Apr 04 02:35:02 <g00s> yeah, thats good. less options = better
Apr 04 02:35:50 <dragorn> yeah
Apr 04 02:36:05 <dragorn> if there's no harm in not telling the user, don't bother trying to tell them
Apr 04 02:36:08 <dragorn> is my $0.02
Apr 04 02:36:20 <dragorn> particularly on mobile
Apr 04 02:36:37 <dragorn> best case it's not useful, worst case people will focus on it vs. a real error
Apr 04 02:37:28 <t2mkn> Nexus 5 proximity sensor: is return value juwt 0 and 1 or variables ? Any one ?
Apr 04 02:38:15 <dragorn> no clue
Apr 04 02:38:31 <dragorn> re: dev device, depends what you want to do.  If you expect to need to root your device for debugging shit, nexus all the way
Apr 04 02:54:29 <alex_PP> notice handed in, wooooooooo
Apr 04 02:54:42 <glassuser14> anyone know how to pull app data from gplay? is there an api for that
Apr 04 02:55:29 <alex_PP> nope
Apr 04 02:55:38 <alex_PP> you'll have to scrape the html
Apr 04 02:56:04 <glassuser14> oh really
Apr 04 02:56:10 <glassuser14> how does sites like appannie do it
Apr 04 02:56:41 <alex_PP> like that i suspect
Apr 04 02:56:54 <glassuser14> oh wow, thats a lot of work
Apr 04 02:58:12 <slani> dragorn: i find soolutin, but i thinks this is not ok. In my fragment activtiy I coment this line in onAttach method http://bpaste.net/show/j8vsHjEPW74i0WrL3mmB/
Apr 04 02:58:36 <glassuser14> @alex_PP in gplay it only shows the top apps, how are they able to catch all the other apps
Apr 04 02:59:15 <alex_PP> diligence & patience?
Apr 04 02:59:31 <glassuser14> but gplay only shows the top apps there is no full list of apps on there
Apr 04 02:59:58 <alex_PP> if you crawl through all the links on all the pages, i reckon you'll get to most stuff
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