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Apr 30 03:08:04 <creitve> If I;m trying to build neat class structure, and somewhere inside a method needs application context to be invoked, it is a normal practice to pass a "Context context" argument all the way down to it, right?
Apr 30 03:12:43 <leslie> creitve, you can add them to build config if you're using gradle
Apr 30 03:15:35 <creitve> leslie: I have build.gradle, gradle,properties, local.properties, settings.gradle
Apr 30 03:17:26 <leslie> if you expect to use different settings for different configurations (think debug/release), set it in build.gradle, otherwise just make a static class
Apr 30 03:21:03 <creitve> leslie: thanks!
Apr 30 03:26:34 <piracyd3> leslie, I never done anything beyond adding dependencies inside build.gradle. Is there anything more I can explore, like what you have describe to put Activity context or API URL in it?
Apr 30 03:26:53 <leslie> one sec, piracyd3
Apr 30 03:26:59 <piracyd3> sure
Apr 30 03:29:03 <xWolfz> Hey #android-dev
Apr 30 03:29:23 <piracyd3> hey xWolfz
Apr 30 03:29:25 <xWolfz> I have a samsung galaxy s4, with the Android OS, not sure what version #.
Apr 30 03:29:42 <xWolfz> Where is there info on the OS, and how to develop app's and whatnot
Apr 30 03:29:48 <piracyd3> S4 is Jelly Bean bundled, if im not mistaken
Apr 30 03:30:01 <xWolfz> I find that there isn't much info when it comes to the Android OS, etc.
Apr 30 03:30:03 <leslie> piracyd3, you can setup proguard, for one thing
Apr 30 03:30:18 <xWolfz> piracyd3, I think it's upgraded to Kit Kat
Apr 30 03:30:31 <xWolfz> If Kit Kat is an actual version # name that's > Jelly Bean.
Apr 30 03:30:53 <piracyd3> leslie, okay I'll take a look at it
Apr 30 03:31:36 <pfn> xWolfz, d.android.com
Apr 30 03:31:52 <xWolfz> pfn, I love you, thanks
Apr 30 03:32:41 <Leeds> someone is easily pleased :)
Apr 30 03:32:42 <bankai_au> awww young love
Apr 30 03:33:29 <piracyd3> lol :3
Apr 30 03:34:24 <bankai_au> Leeds: do you code for HK companies or non-country specific ?
Apr 30 03:35:26 <Leeds> bankai_au: mostly local at the moment...
Apr 30 03:35:52 <bankai_au> do you do anything that you'd consider 'country specific' ?
Apr 30 03:36:12 <Leeds> sure
Apr 30 03:36:28 <bankai_au> not sure how to elaborate on that .... ummm ... i guess do you make UI considerations for HK stuff that you wouldn't do for something you'd target for western society
Apr 30 03:36:46 <bankai_au> i know .jp is very 'cute' and the 'cuter' you can make it the more appealing
Apr 30 03:37:03 <Leeds> ah... well, not so much that, no
Apr 30 03:37:37 <alexfu> Why is when I apply clipRect to a Canvas, the result is that antialiasing is not preserved ?
Apr 30 03:42:05 <yiati> Does anyone know of a nicer way to build a sectionable GridView with headers other than using library projects such as https://github.com/TonicArtos/StickyGridHeaders
Apr 30 03:42:41 <yiati> i.e. A nice standard library approach that wouldn't end up becoming that StickyGridHeaders library project
Apr 30 03:46:24 <Ram_> Hi there. Quick question. I am trying to implement a videoView that streams from a http source. I am trying to see if there is a way to cache the video, so that i can play it from my local storage even when I am offline
Apr 30 03:46:54 <Ram_> I already have a working videoView which would stream from the source.
Apr 30 03:49:37 <dragorn> Ram_: while I'm not familiar with videoview, i assume it takes an outputstream.  I'd expect you could feed it from a http connection or from a local file?
Apr 30 03:50:31 <Ram_> well the way it works is, videoview.setVideoURI(uriLink);
Apr 30 03:50:31 <Ram_> then videoView.start()
Apr 30 03:50:47 <dragorn> if it accepts any uri you should be able to make a uri to a local file
Apr 30 03:50:53 <dragorn> i'd expect?
Apr 30 03:50:58 <dragorn> I'm vaguely guessing here, mind you
Apr 30 03:51:09 <Ram_> but I dont want to wait untilit downloads,
Apr 30 03:51:18 <Ram_> as its playng , it has to store the stream somewhere,
Apr 30 03:51:26 <Ram_> I just want to be able to access that stored location.
Apr 30 03:52:21 <dragorn> you'd have to write your own http fetcher and write it to a file and send it to the videoview then.  I'd expect them to have a steam method too.
Apr 30 03:54:03 <creitve> I have troubles generating "blank fragment", using android studio wizard. It creates the layout, but it doesn't create the fragment itself. It does work with list and +1 fragments type. Is this a known bug?
Apr 30 03:54:30 <creitve> How buggy is it in general. I see it is in a preview state, but I thought it is widely used already.
Apr 30 03:54:35 <creitve> *?
Apr 30 03:56:56 <Ram_> dragorn, that jus loses the advantage,
Apr 30 03:57:20 <Ram_> waiting for an entire video to download before playing is not the approach i m looking for
Apr 30 03:57:35 <Ram_> people lose their patience  :-)
Apr 30 03:57:39 <Justin_T> Hi, I had a method called setListAdapter which takes a List<> as parameter, inside an Activity class, also I have another class that extends AsyncTask which I call inside a method in the Activity class.
Apr 30 03:58:01 <shmooz> Ram_: if you start downloading and then check size to see if it has enough to play, can't you just play it as it's downloading ?
Apr 30 03:58:16 <shmooz> I haven't tried it myself so I'm asking
Apr 30 03:58:37 <Ram_> I believe thats not the correct approach. Is it ?
Apr 30 03:58:52 <Ram_> can you play a file while its downloading half the way ?
Apr 30 03:58:55 <shmooz> should be, it's simple
Apr 30 03:58:57 <Ram_> players dont like it really
Apr 30 03:59:02 <Justin_T> In the onPostExecute method of the AsyncTask class I called the setListAdapter method like this: ((myActivity) this.context).setListAdapter(myList); where this.context is a Context variable
Apr 30 03:59:10 <shmooz> I can on my windows box
Apr 30 03:59:21 <dragorn> the only option if you're going to cache it is to download it to disk and play it from disk.  It's up to you to be clever enough to figure out how to play a partial file or split the stream from the httpclient
Apr 30 03:59:24 <shmooz> haven't tried it on android, but I will
Apr 30 03:59:38 <Justin_T> now I would like to know how I can convert that code for a class that extends Fragment
Apr 30 04:00:27 <Ram_> well i was hoping there exists an easy way to deal with this mess.
Apr 30 04:00:30 <shmooz> I can open a file with VLC that is downloading on my windows
Apr 30 04:01:07 <Ram_> shmooz, if there exist a solution, it doesnt make sense to implement it. A while ago, I rmember there was a class related to media player which lets one set the cachedirectory
Apr 30 04:01:25 <Ram_> I dont konw what it is, and i was hoping someone might be able to point em to the correct direction
Apr 30 04:02:02 <Ram_> I am not convinced that i actually have to do the heavy lifting, esp when the videoView would in fact download adn store the buffer video "somewhere"
Apr 30 04:10:23 <barbs> video-streaming is such a PITA on android
Apr 30 04:13:01 <QubeZ> hello all
Apr 30 04:42:28 <g00s> what do you guys think of this http://phandroid.com/2014/04/29/android-silver-rumor/
Apr 30 04:43:03 <g00s> have to wait for the details, but "OEMs who offer Android Silver handsets will commit to timely updates." <-- hasn't quite worked out in the past
Apr 30 04:55:21 <shmooz> g00s: I'll wait for the gold thank you
Apr 30 04:55:34 <g00s> no way, platinum :|
Apr 30 04:59:42 <capella|away> palladium ftw
Apr 30 04:59:58 <capella|away> It'll weight 4 pounds
Apr 30 05:01:42 <g00s> capella i hope this doesn't come to pass, a nexus device is about all i can tolerate
Apr 30 05:03:40 <shmooz> they got too many brainstormers , I wish they'd stop trashing stuff they came up with
Apr 30 05:06:52 <gordon_> interesting
Apr 30 05:29:33 <WiteCollrScalar> hello — i'm trying to automate installation of the android sdk in a docker container. when i try to install the platform tools, i'm getting: "Failed to rename directory /opt/android-sdk/default/tools to /opt/android-sdk/default/temp/ToolPackage.old01.
Apr 30 05:29:33 <WiteCollrScalar>   Failed to create directory /opt/android-sdk/default/tools"
Apr 30 05:29:44 <WiteCollrScalar> the tools directory is then empty
Apr 30 05:31:19 <WiteCollrScalar> also, the install seems to be doing something very odd. i get odd permissions-related issues being unable to access tools/ant/ when running from non-root accounts. however just moving the sdk directory seems to resolve the issue for some reason.
Apr 30 05:54:08 <g00s> interesting, Facebook switching to Hg?
Apr 30 05:56:20 <creatorb1> hello dev, can i use arabic fonts on device 1.6 android os, i have try to call dejavu fonts on asset folder and it's work but not well cause broken view word by word
Apr 30 06:01:37 <capella> Mercurial 3.0 just released :)
Apr 30 06:01:48 <g00s> yeah
Apr 30 06:02:34 <g00s> i decided to go with git a while ago; i may regret that decision some day. i certainly don't like it much. it was just where the inertia was
Apr 30 06:04:13 * capella wish there was an hg qpush --moveup fooPatch
Apr 30 06:04:43 <capella> but meh ... minor annoyance
Apr 30 06:06:58 <g00s> capella does ff29 have that new GC ?
Apr 30 06:07:39 <g00s> whats Nilium been up to these days ?
Apr 30 06:07:57 <capella> Not familiar ... seen the nick though
Apr 30 06:08:12 <Nilium> Getting my tooth crowned and applying for jobs.
Apr 30 06:08:23 <Nilium> Which reminds me, the Yahoo recruiter person who contacted me has decided to not respond to my response to his email.
Apr 30 06:08:27 <Nilium> Which is frustrating.
Apr 30 06:09:07 <g00s> uh, recruiters :/
Apr 30 06:09:21 <g00s> another kind of parasite
Apr 30 06:09:28 <capella> I wish they'd read the resume before they contact me the first time
Apr 30 06:09:41 <capella> Or know anything at all about IT
Apr 30 06:10:11 <g00s> the best is when they email/call and say "hey, we've looked at your resume and it looks reall good, can we talk"...
Apr 30 06:10:19 <g00s> and then you call them and they are like, who the fuck are you ?
Apr 30 06:10:26 <Nilium> I sort of assume Yahoo's "technical acquisitions" people aren't as stupid because it's a company big enough to pay for a good recruiter but who knows
Apr 30 06:10:45 <g00s> Yahoo seems like a cutthroat work environment
Apr 30 06:10:52 <g00s> i'd pass that one over myself
Apr 30 06:10:55 <wabz> hi, I work at Yahoo
Apr 30 06:10:59 <g00s> waaaaabz
Apr 30 06:11:01 <Nilium> What I do know is that he sent an email to a friend of mine with more or less the same content (each one's slightly different to mention what the person he's sending it to did)
Apr 30 06:11:35 <Nilium> Job's a job, pay me and I'll slit throats if you want me to.
Apr 30 06:11:39 <wabz> I don't work in sunnyvale, but I wouldn't say it's cutthroat
Apr 30 06:11:45 <tmalseed> Hi all, new to the channel. I'm wondering if I can get some advice.. I've built an image loader for async bitmap loading & caching, and for some reason my disk cache is becoming corrupt. So I'm hoping to implement a third party libary, such as Ion, Volley or Picasso. The thing is, Most image loading libraries are based on the premise that you already know the url of your image when you make a request.
Apr 30 06:12:08 <wabz> hey Nilium did you get my prvmsgs?
Apr 30 06:12:10 <Nilium> As long as it's not Microsoft's disturbing culture of screwing everyone else
Apr 30 06:12:10 <JakeWharton> how would you not know the URL?
Apr 30 06:12:10 <Nilium> Internally, that is.
Apr 30 06:12:13 <tmalseed> In my particular implementation,I need to query a server, parse the json to get the image url, and then load that image
Apr 30 06:12:14 <g00s> wabz were you there before Marissa showed up ?
Apr 30 06:12:24 <wabz> yeah I've been at yahoo for 7 years now :p
Apr 30 06:12:26 <JakeWharton> tmalseed: those are two separate requests
Apr 30 06:12:37 <wabz> my stock options are finally worth something again!!
Apr 30 06:12:38 <JakeWharton> the latter of which will work with any of the listed libraries
Apr 30 06:12:48 <tmalseed> JakeWharton: yes - and ah, well met :)
Apr 30 06:13:37 <g00s> Nilium well good luck, hope it works out
Apr 30 06:14:17 <g00s> wabz i don't know, i read that article the other day about yahoo being worth negative money :)
Apr 30 06:14:26 <creatorb1> hi anyone can help me? i want to use arabic fonts on 1.6 android os ? maybe you have a solutions
Apr 30 06:14:33 <wabz> lol
Apr 30 06:14:34 <tmalseed> The thing is, I've got a listview, and as entries are populated, the process begins: 1) Make a request to obtain the url. 2) parse the response 3), request for the image 4) cache image & display in listView. I'm basically using the Bitmaps are Fun implementation
Apr 30 06:14:48 <g00s> i still have no idea wth yahoo does, beside email ;) you guys need that prophet from AOL
Apr 30 06:14:49 <tmalseed> JakeWharton: Come to think of it, I believe I'm using your cache!
Apr 30 06:15:47 <wabz> I think our android flickr app is ok
Apr 30 06:15:50 <tmalseed> JakeWharton: Scratch that, I'm using the DiskLruCache from the JB source - but I did try your implementation of the cache just in case - and I'm still getting this problem.
Apr 30 06:16:06 <wabz> we have a long way to go with android -> ios parity
Apr 30 06:16:09 <JakeWharton> they're the same thing
Apr 30 06:16:19 <wabz> jbq is helping to move things along :p
Apr 30 06:16:34 <tmalseed> Yeah, pretty much
Apr 30 06:17:03 <tmalseed> But.. err I did not expect to bump into you here. Now that I've got you, maybe you have an idea of what could be going wrong.
Apr 30 06:17:19 <tmalseed> I'm not sure how familiar you are with the bitmap fun example, but I've just extended that.
Apr 30 06:17:29 <JakeWharton> never heard of it
Apr 30 06:18:11 <Nilium> Hm, I should probably sleep.
Apr 30 06:18:16 <tmalseed> Oh, damn - it's somewhere in the docs, Google's example of how to efficiently load and cache bitmaps, using both a memory lru cache and disk lru cache
Apr 30 06:18:37 <JakeWharton> I wrote something that does that. It's called Picasso.
Apr 30 06:18:44 <Nilium> Getting my tooth crowned meant I couldn't sleep last night because of dentist-fear, so now I'm well beyond exhausted.
Apr 30 06:19:17 <Nilium> Insert Jake's smuggest possible grin here.
Apr 30 06:19:20 <tmalseed> Yes, I'm well aware of picasso - although I'm reluctant to use it, because I'm not sure how to efficiently tie it in with my code.. As you say, I'm performing 2 separate requests
Apr 30 06:19:48 <wabz> g00s: you should use this too http://getaviate.com/
Apr 30 06:20:19 <tmalseed> The thing is, the request is fired from the getView() method in my adapter - and I'm reluctant to asynchronously request for a url, and then asynchronously request for an image after that url returns
Apr 30 06:20:35 <g00s> wabz looks nice :) but i dont have a phone, i think it makes me stupid
Apr 30 06:20:54 <tmalseed> It... feels dirty. Making chained async request calls for an imageView which may no longer be relevant by the time one or both requests return
Apr 30 06:20:55 <JakeWharton> tmalseed: unless you pre-load everything, you have no choice
Apr 30 06:21:13 <wabz> heh
Apr 30 06:21:26 <g00s> wabz i have a n7 though ;)
Apr 30 06:21:53 <tmalseed> Understood - but then.. Do you think it seems reasonable to say, use a Volley JsonObjectRequest, and in the onResponse() method, use Picasso to then handle the image loading ?
Apr 30 06:22:08 <JakeWharton> sure
Apr 30 06:22:32 <tmalseed> I guess what I'm worried about, is Picasso, by default will make 3 attempts to retrieve the image, correct?
Apr 30 06:22:57 <JakeWharton> it will make three attempts if the network is flaky
Apr 30 06:23:05 <tmalseed> Bear in mind I am way out of my league here ;)
Apr 30 06:23:24 <JakeWharton> a non-200 response, exception, etc. won't trigger a retry
Apr 30 06:23:46 <tmalseed> Yep, I understand
Apr 30 06:24:15 <tmalseed> It's hard to explain what my concern is here - I guess I find it hard to test how efficient these things are, and it just seemed wrong to fire Picasso from a Volley response
Apr 30 06:25:01 <JakeWharton> I understand the concern but you either have to pre-load the image URLs before showing the list or do subsequent http requests
Apr 30 06:25:23 <tmalseed> Mostly because - the JsonObjectRequerst is made for a particular item, so when that item is moved to the scrapheap, I need to cancel the volley request.. But then also cancel any associated in-flight picasso request
Apr 30 06:25:34 <tmalseed> Which is quite possibly beyond me
Apr 30 06:25:53 <JakeWharton> requestQueue.cancel(convertView); picasso.cancel(convertView);
Apr 30 06:26:23 <tmalseed> OK haha, not so difficult.
Apr 30 06:26:45 <tmalseed> Mind you, having the approach OK'd by Mr. Picasso himself is enough to give me the confidence to proceed with this method
Apr 30 06:28:05 <g00s> wabz "Yahoo To Produce Sci-Fi Streaming Sitcom" i guess Yahoo finally figured out what it wants to do :)
Apr 30 06:28:26 <wabz> I think we got more pageviews than google over the last few months
Apr 30 06:28:28 <g00s> (compete with netflix, amazon? )
Apr 30 06:28:31 <Leeds> g00s: yahoo has wanted to be a media company for a long time
Apr 30 06:28:31 <wabz> excluding tumblr
Apr 30 06:28:37 <tmalseed> JakeWharton: Well, I'll  move on to that shortly - but since you're familiar with the DiskLruCache (and I'm merely using it, I don't understand it's inner workings very well at all), I'll describe the reason I'm looking for an alternative to what I've got:
Apr 30 06:28:44 <wabz> it depended on the CEO Leeds :p
Apr 30 06:29:02 <wabz> we lost a lot of eng. talent when carol bartz declared we were a sales company
Apr 30 06:29:09 <Leeds> wabz: the current CEO isn't exactly a media insider... hasn't changed the goal
Apr 30 06:29:38 <Leeds> but I guess you know better than I do :)
Apr 30 06:29:42 <tmalseed> If I switch off wifi & mobile data, so the app won't download any further images to populate the listview - and I open the app, I see all of my images there as expected; They're sitting in the diskLruCache, and they're loaded into the LRU memory cache as well.
Apr 30 06:30:03 <Nilium> I find Yahoo confusing from the outside, but they make nice looking apps.
Apr 30 06:30:09 <tmalseed> But if I open and close the app, maybe 1 in 10 times, the cache is completely cleared, and from that point on the images are lost until I re-download them.
Apr 30 06:30:45 <tmalseed> The only reason I'm sitting here opening and closing the app, is I'm trying to reproduce the issue my users are having - after some time, downloaded images don't stick around and they need to be re-downloaded
Apr 30 06:31:05 <tmalseed> I can't catch any log calls pointing to the journal becoming corrupt, but I have absolutely no other leads.
Apr 30 06:35:48 <capella> My dad uses Yahoo for his news / home page
Apr 30 06:36:09 <tmalseed> Do you have any suggestions as to how I might isolate the issue - or test why/how the disk cache is becoming corrupt?
Apr 30 06:36:09 <LaSombra> Hey guys, what is the best, safe way to store user credentials?
Apr 30 06:47:00 <pragma-> not storing them
Apr 30 06:47:40 <Nilium> I thought about saying that, but nobody takes that answer seriously.
Apr 30 06:50:20 <capella> crap, I wrote it down :(
Apr 30 06:53:01 <g00s> this is cool http://www.gizmag.com/scio-pocket-molecular-sensor/31840/
Apr 30 06:54:45 <kamol> nice :)
Apr 30 06:56:07 <capella> and then the pop-up
Apr 30 06:56:29 <Nilium> Neat. What happens if you use it on eyeballs?
Apr 30 06:56:48 <g00s> Nilium let us know, for science !
Apr 30 06:58:10 <Nilium> Ok, buy me one
Apr 30 06:58:39 <g00s> maybe safer to do your tooth first
Apr 30 06:58:40 <kamol> I want it for my foods
Apr 30 06:58:53 <Nilium> My tooth is now half a tooth
Apr 30 06:59:16 <Nilium> It's 50% not tooth
Apr 30 06:59:49 <g00s> 'not tooth' … we must find out what the not tooth part is made of
Apr 30 06:59:50 <Nilium> I was hoping for a metal crown so I could claim I was part robot but it's not.
Apr 30 07:01:34 <Nilium> Porcelain, mainly.
Apr 30 07:02:43 <g00s> well, it just temporary. i'm sure on day google will come out with a wearable tooth running android
Apr 30 07:04:21 <Nilium> No, the porcelain is very much permanent
Apr 30 07:04:39 <g00s> Nilium what if they filed it down to be fang-like
Apr 30 07:05:07 <g00s> than you could be werewolf robot
Apr 30 07:05:10 <Nilium> Then it wouldn't have a very good base for the crown.
Apr 30 07:05:18 <g00s> gah
Apr 30 07:07:12 <Nilium> I'm also disappointed the crown has a normal tooth color
Apr 30 07:07:20 <Nilium> I wanted a neater color than off-white.
Apr 30 07:07:46 <Nilium> Like pink or something.
Apr 30 07:07:46 <Nilium> It'd be neat to have a pink tooth that nobody could see.
Apr 30 07:08:18 <Nilium> The weird part is just adjusting to the fact that there's a thing in my mouth and it's taking up space where a tooth would be but it has no sensation on its own
Apr 30 07:09:22 <Nilium> I think I might rewrite my VM in C rather than using C++
Apr 30 07:09:38 <g00s> Nilium try rust yet ?
Apr 30 07:09:50 <g00s> how did the Go experiment go?
Apr 30 07:10:18 <g00s> i get the impression you're sampling a bunch of techs
Apr 30 07:10:41 <Nilium> Tried Rust a while back but Go and Rust both don't play too nice with existing UI frameworks or OpenGL
Apr 30 07:11:36 <Nilium> Side-effect of them both having their own sort of coroutine things and both hijack thread 0 and can't guarantee code will run on it
Apr 30 07:12:15 <Nilium> So they're good if you don't need UI or anything, but if you're going to be interacting with a windowing system or trying to get events from the OS and the OS demands that this be done on a specific thread, you might be in trouble
Apr 30 07:12:32 <g00s> hmm, interesting
Apr 30 07:13:13 <Nilium> Basically, Go's good for writing tools and server stuff, you shouldn't bother with anything graphical
Apr 30 07:13:26 <Nilium> I don't have as much of an idea of where Rust is these days since I don't feel like there's much of a reason to try it righ tnow.
Apr 30 07:13:48 <Nilium> *right now
Apr 30 07:14:20 <g00s> when i heard about MS M# it sounded like a system-level programming language too; i wonder if it works fine with GUI things
Apr 30 07:14:26 <Nilium> Go was the only thing I was trying out recently. Beyond that, I've stuck to my usual choice of C++11, Objective-C (OS X/iOS specific bits), and Scala (for Android).
Apr 30 07:14:37 <g00s> still way too early to know
Apr 30 07:15:31 <Nilium> I didn't spend too much time with MSVC recently, but it's not in great shape.
Apr 30 07:16:36 <Nilium> Might fiddle with C# or F# later if I manage to get the motivation to try either again after so many years
Apr 30 07:17:14 <g00s> Nilium use git or hg ?
Apr 30 07:17:36 <Nilium> git.
Apr 30 07:17:46 <Nilium> I occasionally think I should learn to use hg but I figure if I ever need to it probably won't take long to get up to speed.
Apr 30 07:18:14 <g00s> i just saw this today http://www.cakebrew.com/
Apr 30 07:18:45 <Nilium> Nifty. Not sure why anyone would need a GUI for that, but nifty nonetheless.
Apr 30 07:19:18 <Nilium> I ask the same thing of people using GUI tools for git though, so I think I'm just sort of bad at giving up my shell.
Apr 30 07:19:47 <g00s> yeah i'm using git cli or tig
Apr 30 07:20:56 <Nilium> git-gui is pretty good and more or less sufficient for most stuff, too. Had line and hunk adds, which is about all I need for most stuff.
Apr 30 07:21:48 <g00s> yeah, i like GUI sometimes for visualization; cli for actions
Apr 30 07:21:55 <g00s> atlassian had a nice one
Apr 30 07:22:11 <g00s> interactive staging would be nice in gui i suppose
Apr 30 07:24:02 <gordon_> sourcetree?
Apr 30 07:26:29 <Nilium> SourceTree is Atlassian's
Apr 30 07:26:29 <Nilium> Also probably the best out of the git GUI tools
Apr 30 07:29:29 <gordon_> after todays update...
Apr 30 07:30:59 <g00s> gordon_ ?
Apr 30 07:39:45 <gordon_> sourcetree got update today with gui changes
Apr 30 07:41:26 <g00s> gordon_ were they good changes ?
Apr 30 07:41:44 <gordon_> no
Apr 30 07:41:44 <tmalseed> JakeWharton: not sure if you missed the above, or you're busy.. or otherwise
Apr 30 07:42:24 <Nilium> Mmm, blood in my spit. Expected, but still unpleasant.
Apr 30 07:42:41 <capella> thanks for sharing ?
Apr 30 07:43:32 <Nilium> Hm, looks like SourceTree 1.9 has slightly less texture to its UI.
Apr 30 07:43:32 <Nilium> That's nice.
Apr 30 07:44:05 <Nilium> Cat has decided to lay down on my lap and start biting my arm's skin and pulling on it.
Apr 30 07:44:12 <Nilium> The jerk.
Apr 30 07:48:49 <jellenagels> Does anyone here use Android Studio while using an external monitor? Because AS crashes when disconnecting my monitor from my macbook.
Apr 30 08:19:51 <f2prateek> Can't say I've ever run into that problem on Windows
Apr 30 08:45:39 <HashNuke> hey all
Apr 30 08:45:47 <jellenagels> hi
Apr 30 08:46:32 <HashNuke> I created a project using the latest Android Studio. I get this error when trying to run it - "Gradle project sync failed"
Apr 30 09:26:38 <apple741> I seem to have been charged for a test purchase, I'm trying to refund it but can't find the correct order?
Apr 30 09:36:26 <oles_> hi! does android native function "write" is expected to be thread safe?
Apr 30 09:37:52 <XeruX> http://pastebin.com/r4wKpG38 <- why doesn't the imageview fill parent (height) when using a color as background? It works when I change background to a drawable like ic_launcher...
Apr 30 09:41:22 <Syzygy> my IDE (android studio) tells me "thread exiting with uncaught exception", but doesn't tell me which esception or where it occured
Apr 30 09:42:31 <Syzygy> there is no stacktrace or anything similar.
Apr 30 09:45:00 <g00s> apple741 did your app finally show up ?
Apr 30 09:48:16 <Bouska> It seems that the appcompat is buggy, in "appcompat/res/values-large/themes_base.xml" I get a "Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name" for <style> in the file; can I safely remove res/values-large and res/values-large-v14?
Apr 30 09:49:28 <apple741> Hey g00s , sure did unpublishing it and republishing solved the issue
Apr 30 09:49:40 <g00s> wow, thats weird !
Apr 30 09:49:56 <g00s> well glad you got it all sorted out
Apr 30 09:50:11 <apple741> lol yeah it was a relief, thanks for your help with it :)
Apr 30 09:50:31 <g00s> i dont think i had any useful advice but, yw ;)
Apr 30 09:53:49 <g00s> capella weird thing is, FF is sometimes showing 'x' buttons on tabs, sometimes not
Apr 30 09:54:20 <capella> Desktop *nix? Or were you a Mac?
Apr 30 09:57:27 <g00s> capella mac
Apr 30 09:57:48 <g00s> i'll probably ask in #firefox tomorroe
Apr 30 09:58:10 <g00s> oh, i hope they fire all their UX people :)
Apr 30 09:59:23 <capella> >ouch<
Apr 30 10:00:06 * Leeds knows a way to get mozilla to fire people
Apr 30 10:02:10 <capella> >>ouch<< yah, we had issues recently
Apr 30 10:02:17 <Leeds> sorry :)
Apr 30 10:02:32 <capella> Github was worse!
Apr 30 10:02:34 <g00s> maybe they should have 2 firefoxen; one for idiots (which removes all the features) and one for power users, who aren't using chrome for a fing reason
Apr 30 10:02:39 <capella> heh - I think
Apr 30 10:03:31 <g00s> every time the UX people show up (Gnome) something gets screwed up
Apr 30 10:03:45 <capella> I wish we had a poweruser setting ... I hate those "do you know?" ... and "hint!" style things we've been adopting
Apr 30 10:03:50 <g00s> UX is important, but so is knowing your user ;)
Apr 30 10:03:55 <capella> yah
Apr 30 10:04:55 <g00s> or they need to take a different strategy and try A/B testing or something
Apr 30 10:08:00 <capella> g00s: it seems the X's on the background tabs hide on too many tabs or win sized such that the tab width reaches a minimum
Apr 30 10:08:33 <g00s> they should always appear when i hover over a tab
Apr 30 10:09:10 <g00s> lets say I have 10 tabs, one is foreground
Apr 30 10:09:55 <g00s> and i go to a bg tab, right click it, a menu shows up. but no affordance is shown that the context of the menu is what my mouse is over, so to me there is confusion - does this menu apply to the fg tab, or what i'm hovering over
Apr 30 10:10:01 <g00s> man, your UX guys arethe worst
Apr 30 10:10:10 <g00s> this is like, fucking UI 101
Apr 30 10:10:50 <g00s> mozilla's UX guys
Apr 30 10:10:53 <g00s> and girls ;)
Apr 30 10:10:57 * capella is just a poor unpaid contributor :P
Apr 30 10:11:41 <capella> but X on hover is a nice idea ... file it :)
Apr 30 10:12:06 <g00s> wasn't that the way it used to be (ff28?)
Apr 30 10:12:18 <g00s> you probably haven't used ff28 in like 2 years ;)
Apr 30 10:12:18 <shmooz> I'm going back to version 25 to fix that download resume problem, and disable updates
Apr 30 10:12:33 <capella> that's what my mac resource just asked me
Apr 30 10:12:46 <capella> re: wasn't it like that before
Apr 30 10:13:28 <shmooz> capella: only for the current selected tab
Apr 30 10:13:42 <shmooz> it doesn't show x on all tabs on 28
Apr 30 10:13:48 <capella> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/new/desktop
Apr 30 10:14:20 <capella> heh - I can't fix em all :D
Apr 30 10:14:38 <capella> and, that >unpaid< thing  XD
Apr 30 10:15:01 <g00s> i nominate capella for Mozilla CEO :)
Apr 30 10:15:21 <capella> We had a lot of discussion re: that in the tech ranks
Apr 30 10:15:29 <capella> not me I mean
Apr 30 10:15:52 <sau-man> hello
Apr 30 10:16:28 <sau-man> i have a project and need some advice with android.mk
Apr 30 10:21:56 <Trandroid> quick more java-oriented question, is it okay to read a file with BufferedReader while something else is writing with OutputStream? I will be reading only, and there is no lock on the file
Apr 30 10:22:15 <Trandroid> s/okay/good practice
Apr 30 10:23:24 <g00s> Trandroid i'd try #java
Apr 30 10:23:29 <bankai_au> g00s: rx seems to work quite nice ;) bit of hackery to get the main queue, but still very good :)
Apr 30 10:23:39 <g00s> bankai_au XD
Apr 30 10:23:40 <Trandroid> g00s: alrighty.
Apr 30 10:23:54 <bankai_au> g00s: i know you think i'm stupid, but i'm having fun :P
Apr 30 10:24:00 <g00s> bankai_au its the biggest change in thinking, and best library i've started using in a while
Apr 30 10:24:35 <g00s> i'm pretty hard to impress wrt to libraries; prefer to use standard stuff to minor things that 'improve' ;)
Apr 30 10:24:35 <bankai_au> that and dagger, for me
Apr 30 10:24:58 <g00s> yeah, i haven't tried that yet. i should when i have a situation calling for DI
Apr 30 10:28:11 <g00s> bankai_au i'm gonna be pissed if at I/O they announce ditching all the java stuff for some JS enyo-like thing
Apr 30 10:28:19 <g00s> i still think it was weird the way romain left
Apr 30 10:28:32 <g00s> i don't know the guy, don't know anyone close to him, or really why he left
Apr 30 10:29:03 <g00s> if DH leaves we know its time to move on to something else ;)
Apr 30 10:29:19 <g00s> Leeds what do you think of this Android Silver thing ?
Apr 30 10:29:27 <g00s> (rumor)
Apr 30 10:31:25 <sau-man> i'd like to make a shared .so file from multiple existing static .a files
Apr 30 10:32:13 <sau-man> i use prebuilts, however, the final generated .so is deviod of any symbols
Apr 30 10:39:33 <Leeds> g00s: if it's a merger of GPE and Nexus, that could be a good thing... although there could be issues with price, availability, etc.
Apr 30 10:40:18 <g00s> as a developer, i just want a 'reference implementation'
Apr 30 10:40:21 <g00s> for me thats nexus
Apr 30 10:40:55 <Click66> someone who could help me out? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23382304/android-audiorecord-synchronise-record-with-playing-sound
Apr 30 10:41:27 <Leeds> but they've been moving away from that anyway - Nexus is becoming more of a consumer vendor build, just that the vendor is Google
Apr 30 10:42:49 <g00s> i'm sure it won't happen, but if they move away from nexus i'd like a 'developer phone' again
Apr 30 10:42:58 <g00s> well, not sure, but … doubt it
Apr 30 10:43:30 <g00s> so now i'm going to have to as around, google around, "whats the device that oems are changing the least"
Apr 30 10:43:35 <g00s> uh, i hope this doesn't happen
Apr 30 10:43:45 <Leeds> I wouldn't be terribly surprised if such a thing exists at - and only at - I/O
Apr 30 10:44:33 <g00s> even if its some sanctioned build against a beagle or something, with recommended panel
Apr 30 10:44:41 <g00s> with fucking wires hanging out
Apr 30 10:44:46 <Leeds> of course, the competing rumour - which is one I like better - is an HTC-made N8
Apr 30 10:45:01 <g00s> HTC still alive, heh
Apr 30 10:45:18 <g00s> well, this rumor was for next year i think. or the N8 is the last one
Apr 30 10:46:27 <Leeds> anyone here going to I/O?
Apr 30 10:46:32 <Bouska> is there a chat for ormlite?
Apr 30 10:46:39 <g00s> i was reading some statement by elop on why they didn't go with android, made sense
Apr 30 10:46:52 <g00s> they didn't want to compete with samsung
Apr 30 10:47:02 <g00s> seems only samsung is doing well with android
Apr 30 10:48:05 <g00s> they decided to take their risks, if WP took off, they would be in a good position to capitalize on that
Apr 30 10:48:22 <g00s> vs almost certain problems competing with samsung
Apr 30 10:49:01 <Leeds> 'cept... it didn't take off
Apr 30 10:50:12 <g00s> yeah, not yet anyhow
Apr 30 10:50:28 <g00s> i still hope it does ;) would like to try something else that has potential
Apr 30 10:51:52 <g00s> we'll see at i/o .. mobile needs an infusion of innovation
Apr 30 10:51:54 <abiogenesis> Hi. Anyone tried to use ViewPager with multi touch swipe? It just doesn't work out of the box
Apr 30 10:51:59 <g00s> things are getting boring ;)
Apr 30 10:56:11 <g00s> actually, i find the ARA concept exciting
Apr 30 10:56:22 <g00s> but imagine the problems we'll have from that ...
Apr 30 10:56:50 <g00s> "hi , my app doesn't work on my ara with samsung foo module, asus bar module, and frobnoz wifi
Apr 30 10:56:53 <Bouska> How can I combine an AUTO_INCREMENT field in my DB (for Cursors) and my own id (in fact UUID) in OrmLite? Am I doing something wrong? (Not an SQL expert here)
Apr 30 11:07:36 <ubuntufreak> Hi guys, im facing some difficulty in implementing a sliding button in android like this http://i.imgur.com/Hsjn8SD.png I should be able to drag the middle red button either to left or right side to open a new fragment
Apr 30 11:08:16 <ubuntufreak> i tried it with the seekbar implementation but was not able to achieve the background image and red button to align properly
Apr 30 11:08:32 <ubuntufreak> how can that functionality be achieved friends
Apr 30 11:10:38 <shmooz> One plus One is a good representation of how smart we're getting
Apr 30 11:11:25 <Leeds> shmooz: you mean "smash your phone for a phone"?
Apr 30 11:12:08 <shmooz> that would be One times One
Apr 30 11:12:44 <Leeds> er... what?
Apr 30 11:13:08 <shmooz> exactly!
Apr 30 11:13:33 <Leeds> er... what?
Apr 30 11:24:55 <g00s> exactly
Apr 30 12:10:30 <creitve> I have a routine that sends user authentication credentials, and retrieves token for access. I also have several "pages" implemented in nav.drawer+fragments, each making API calls. I wan't to make my app force user to re-authorise if any of these fragments gets 403 error after a request. How this would usually be implemented? Should I use curstom exceptions and catch them, as I asked here earlier?
Apr 30 12:20:21 <LaSombra> In Retrofit, dunno in regular Android, you can set a custom Error Handler which you could probably handle these situations
Apr 30 12:20:52 <creitve> So there is nothing wrong in using exceptions here?
Apr 30 12:21:24 <LaSombra> IMHO, I wouldn't think so. But don't quote me on that, I'm a beginner in Android development
Apr 30 12:21:39 <creitve> Okay, thanks, so am I.
Apr 30 12:21:47 <pthreat> This question is kind of fucking stupid since I'm reading google's tutorial on how should I make applications. Thing is I know how to code in Java and can handle myself pretty well and this tutorial is making me sleep. Is there some other fast paced tutorial someone could recommend
Apr 30 12:29:32 <capella> http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/Android/article.html ?
Apr 30 12:30:31 <capella> tl;dr quick coding examples http://www.mkyong.com/tutorials/android-tutorial/
Apr 30 12:31:29 <creitve> capella: thanks!
Apr 30 12:31:38 <creitve> I had similar question
Apr 30 12:31:54 <creitve> but in reality what I probably need is a book about patterns
Apr 30 12:32:02 <pthreat> capella: thanks dude
Apr 30 12:32:25 <pthreat> the whole learning was getting slwo as fuck
Apr 30 12:32:29 <capella> np
Apr 30 12:32:37 <pthreat> s/slwo/slow/
Apr 30 12:35:00 <pthreat> capella: you've earned something ....
Apr 30 12:35:25 * capella prefers to write my own patterns ... then I know how they work
Apr 30 12:35:33 <pthreat> capella: you can take this bag of money OR ... you can open the mistery box
Apr 30 12:35:43 <pthreat> capella: what will it be
Apr 30 12:35:43 * capella is gonna need 'bout tree-fiddy
Apr 30 12:36:04 <pthreat> capella: Have you ever heard about http://runnable.com
Apr 30 12:36:18 <pthreat> WOW THATS AMAZING THANK YOU pthreat!
Apr 30 12:36:22 <pthreat> Yeah no problem
Apr 30 12:36:34 <capella> I have a thing called a compiler ... intelliJ
Apr 30 12:36:49 <pthreat> pthreat: Wait .. is that a root shell?
Apr 30 12:36:53 <pthreat> Yeah!
Apr 30 12:40:39 <yozilla> http://d3u67r7pp2lrq5.cloudfront.net/product_photos/482639/30NOV11highfive4_original.png
Apr 30 12:40:57 <shmooz> pthreat: think of an app you want to make and then find some examples
Apr 30 12:41:21 <shmooz> and then modify it
Apr 30 12:41:23 <pthreat> shmooz: I'm doing just that, good advice!
Apr 30 12:41:31 <pthreat> Not a fan of modifying things
Apr 30 12:42:28 <shmooz> well you gotta learn one way or another
Apr 30 12:42:55 <shmooz> compare examples
Apr 30 12:42:55 <capella> breaking things is the fastest way to learn
Apr 30 12:42:56 <pthreat> From scratch is better :) thanks shmooz
Apr 30 12:43:19 <pthreat> Wow I just created a text box and addd a button
Apr 30 12:43:21 <pthreat> added*
Apr 30 12:43:29 <capella> Just look at the Large Hadron Collider for example :)
Apr 30 12:43:31 <pthreat> And I wrote fuck in the text box! Amazing
Apr 30 12:43:42 <pthreat> capella: that's one heck of a good example
Apr 30 12:57:23 <sigmabeta> hey fellas, anyone know if there is an easy way to get the Thread object backing an Asynctask?
Apr 30 12:57:30 <sigmabeta> i.e. something I can call .interrupt() on
Apr 30 13:01:29 <g00s> why not call Asynctask.interrupt :|
Apr 30 13:01:55 <g00s> err, .cancel()
Apr 30 13:12:22 <capella> aw, you googled that
Apr 30 13:12:31 <WantToCode> How to compute the average of images before loading? Like this from the "Android Design in Action: Images" https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TsC1vOr4MHM/UmabyDD5vyI/AAAAAAAAz_8/6Ogr9aaN7X0/w976-h549-no/slides.021-001.png
Apr 30 13:17:26 <sigmabeta> g00s, it looks like .cancel(true) may do what I was looking for, good call. thanks
Apr 30 13:17:55 <burmat> anyone here use parse?
Apr 30 13:18:16 <burmat> (www.parse.com)
Apr 30 13:18:28 <WantToCode> me, for a month now.
Apr 30 13:18:51 <burmat> great. how good are you with ParseQueryAdapter?
Apr 30 13:19:23 <burmat> Because I am having trouble getting the positions of items in my LIstView because it is not used as an argument in getItemView()
Apr 30 13:19:28 <WantToCode> ahh. Its next on my list. Sorry. only worked with cloud code
Apr 30 13:19:34 <burmat> damn.
Apr 30 13:20:02 <burmat> how do you like it overall? So far, I am very impressed. This is the first time I have felt totally frustrated
Apr 30 13:21:02 <WantToCode> This is my first app. So cant really compare. I got frustrated because I didnt knew JavaScript and spent more than 20 hours figuring out how to start writing "something"
Apr 30 13:21:56 <burmat> yeah, the tutorials and everything are alright, but if you can dig into the docs that is where all of the power is. I just like that I didn’t have to write an API and I can just start interfacing with something. Haven’t looked into security yet though, that is next on my list
Apr 30 13:23:34 <WantToCode> Hey frankdoyle can you help with this? How to compute the average of images before loading? Like this from the "Android Design in Action: Images" https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TsC1vOr4MHM/UmabyDD5vyI/AAAAAAAAz_8/6Ogr9aaN7X0/w976-h549-no/slides.021-001.png
Apr 30 13:25:36 <frankdoyle> WantToCode: you mean for color? https://github.com/MichaelEvans/ColorArt
Apr 30 13:26:12 <frankdoyle> that said, you wouldn't be able to do that until after the images are loaded
Apr 30 13:26:20 <frankdoyle> since you have to have the images before you can do any work with them
Apr 30 13:26:31 <frankdoyle> and if you already have the images, there's no point putting a placeholder
Apr 30 13:27:19 <frankdoyle> pinterest probably has something in their api to allow for that without downloading the image
Apr 30 13:27:27 <WantToCode> Then what's the point of this, does it take images from cache and calculate a color and use it?
Apr 30 13:27:30 <WantToCode> oh ok
Apr 30 13:27:55 <WantToCode> Thanks
Apr 30 13:28:40 <frankdoyle> yeah. might be worth doing more research on, they might be doing something clever, but I can only imagine it's done with some kind of custom api support
Apr 30 13:28:56 <speeder> I want to know if anyone here has experience in implementing google analytics
Apr 30 13:29:01 <speeder> I am wondering how to use the "views" thing
Apr 30 13:29:05 <WantToCode> ok Thanks.
Apr 30 13:48:25 <g00s> pfn Leeds you guys use screen :) https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=7961
Apr 30 13:52:16 <pfn> so I heard
Apr 30 13:53:26 <Leeds> indeed
Apr 30 13:53:54 <pfn> I'm not gonna bother updating though
Apr 30 13:56:04 <g00s> seems like it had some nice things like vsplit
Apr 30 14:02:40 <mattblang> Is this still true?  From 4.2 docs, "Note: You cannot inflate a layout into a fragment when that layout includes a <fragment>. Nested fragments are only supported when added to a fragment dynamically."
Apr 30 14:04:46 <pfn> I rarely split Windows, and not vertically, so  not interested in updating
Apr 30 14:05:37 <pfn> look at the support library to see if it says any different
Apr 30 14:05:49 <pfn> Probably still true
Apr 30 14:07:27 <pfn> or just look at the source
Apr 30 14:13:54 <speeder> I suck :(
Apr 30 14:14:01 <speeder> I cannot implement Google Analytics
Apr 30 14:14:05 <speeder> and it was supposed to be trivial
Apr 30 14:14:45 <thepoosh> speeder, did you look at the docs?
Apr 30 14:15:57 <thepoosh> speeder, what have you tried?
Apr 30 14:16:05 <mattblang> speeder yeah, what is happening at the moment
Apr 30 14:17:58 <speeder> I am reading the docs, and not actually understanding them, some information is missing, but I dunno what is missing.
Apr 30 14:18:30 <speeder> mattblang, to be more precise, GA4 asks for it to be initialized in the "Application" to avoid overcounting, but the app I am modifieing don't use a custom Application class
Apr 30 14:19:01 <speeder> (in fact I never used a custom Application class... android manual states that you should usually not use a custom Application class...)
Apr 30 14:19:17 <mattblang> speeder can you link the doc you are reading
Apr 30 14:19:19 <speeder> And I am reading the source... and don't understood how the thing works at all.
Apr 30 14:19:23 <speeder> https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v4/
Apr 30 14:19:29 <speeder> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Application.html
Apr 30 14:21:53 <thepoosh> speeder, Application class, has some methods to it, onCreate is the one they want you to use
Apr 30 14:22:11 <thepoosh> for initializing all your managers, constants and singletons
Apr 30 14:22:18 <speeder> thepoosh, the example does not use on-create
Apr 30 14:22:21 <thepoosh> not sure it's the best approach since it might take time
Apr 30 14:22:39 <speeder> it only creates a method named "getTracker" and seemly something (I dunno what) calls this method somewhere automatically
Apr 30 14:22:41 <thepoosh> it's just a way to enforce global singletons through the app
Apr 30 14:22:41 <speeder> I cannot find where
Apr 30 14:23:06 <thepoosh> you can implement this with a factory method in a different class if you feel like it
Apr 30 14:23:39 <speeder> application if I remember is launched once, and it may contain several activities, right?
Apr 30 14:24:08 <thepoosh> application is the root class of an app
Apr 30 14:24:11 <speeder> if I put my GA tracker inside a activity, but use a single activity, I won't get overcounting I guess?
Apr 30 14:24:16 <thepoosh> and it runs first and dies last
Apr 30 14:24:45 <speeder> (I make games using Lua, the Lua interpreter is in a activity, that launches as soon as possible, and when exited it kills the whole application)
Apr 30 14:25:07 <g00s> speeder what lua implementation are you using ?
Apr 30 14:25:16 <thepoosh> Corona probably
Apr 30 14:25:32 <mattblang> thepoosh, speeder dang... so v3 is Legacy already?  I didn't even realize that v4 was out.  In v3 I am just using the EasyTracker
Apr 30 14:25:47 <thepoosh> I remember that
Apr 30 14:25:52 <thepoosh> we use Appboy
Apr 30 14:25:57 <thepoosh> instead of GA
Apr 30 14:26:27 <speeder> mattblang, that confused me the hell too, I spent one entire day trying to figure what was going on before noticing there was v3, v4 and doing google searches outside d. sites resulted into you seeing the two mixed
Apr 30 14:26:41 <speeder> g00s, Gideros
Apr 30 14:26:55 <speeder> Corona does not allow you to meddle with Java without charging the eyeballs out of you
Apr 30 14:26:57 <thepoosh> I think goos is sleeping now
Apr 30 14:27:49 <thepoosh> speeder, then use a factory method and a singltone instead
Apr 30 14:27:52 <g00s> hm, never heard of gideros
Apr 30 14:27:53 <speeder> thepoosh, actually, I am using Flurry, but I needed to track campaigns on google play (ie: what ad a person clicked to end in google play to install our app), and seemly only GA tracks that
Apr 30 14:27:55 <thepoosh> it's not hard at all
Apr 30 14:28:12 <thepoosh> speeder,  appsflyer can do that
Apr 30 14:28:17 <thepoosh> g00s, you're up!
Apr 30 14:28:22 <thepoosh> HAI MAN
Apr 30 14:28:27 <g00s> HAI :)
Apr 30 14:28:42 <speeder> appsflyer do that how?
Apr 30 14:28:47 <thepoosh> did you hear I am batman?
Apr 30 14:28:57 <thepoosh> speeder, it can track campaigns
Apr 30 14:29:00 <g00s> thepoosh i heard you were robin
Apr 30 14:29:01 <thepoosh> in a very good way
Apr 30 14:29:11 <thepoosh> g00s, http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/leonard-peeples-us-marshals-arrest-man-suspected-of-putting-gun-to-womans-head-and-posting-video
Apr 30 14:29:28 <thepoosh> since he's porr, I assume he was using the Android version
Apr 30 14:29:32 <speeder> g00s, Gideros is a kind of underdog competitor to Corona, it is made by a single dude, but for now I am thinking it is better than Corona (also their business-person behaviour is better than Corona's)
Apr 30 14:29:39 <thepoosh> therefore I helped the cops catch him
Apr 30 14:29:43 <thepoosh> I AM BATMAN!!!
Apr 30 14:30:40 <speeder> Corona did several things that annoyed me off (For example, they make lots of crazy stuff to prevent you from coding your own build server, unless you pay them absurds amounts of money)
Apr 30 14:31:44 <thepoosh> speeder, why not go native?
Apr 30 14:31:55 <speeder> thepoosh, because we also support iOS
Apr 30 14:32:05 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 30 14:32:15 <thepoosh> so why not Appcelerator?
Apr 30 14:32:18 <speeder> iOS by the way is more profitable, despite we being very low on ranking
Apr 30 14:32:24 <thepoosh> yes
Apr 30 14:32:33 <thepoosh> it's traditionaly that way
Apr 30 14:32:34 <g00s> i wish there was  a nice clean way for me to use lua from my java stuff, just for scripting
Apr 30 14:32:40 <speeder> android we have about 15 times the iOS downloads, but people don't pay shit
Apr 30 14:32:59 <thepoosh> it's the mentality
Apr 30 14:33:38 <g00s> so when you consider its easier to dev for (imho) and more profitable … any questions ;)
Apr 30 14:33:40 <speeder> Appcelerator is not really suited for games...
Apr 30 14:33:53 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 30 14:33:55 <thepoosh> ok
Apr 30 14:33:57 <mattblang> thepoosh, speeder I wish that mentality would go away.  I would love to pay for stuff that is polished with no ads.  Also there are almost no board game ports to the Android, probably because of that (and the fragmentation difficulties).
Apr 30 14:34:20 <speeder> mattblang, I don't have any fragmentation problems...
Apr 30 14:34:22 <speeder> also I make ad-less games
Apr 30 14:34:27 <speeder> although I am almost giving up
Apr 30 14:34:28 <thepoosh> yay!!!
Apr 30 14:34:33 <thepoosh> don't give up
Apr 30 14:34:36 <thepoosh> we love you!
Apr 30 14:34:40 <thepoosh> link to a game!!
Apr 30 14:34:44 <speeder> I don't use ads, neither scummy in app purchase
Apr 30 14:34:45 <g00s> speeder try WP side of things ?
Apr 30 14:34:54 <speeder> WP side of things???
Apr 30 14:35:01 <g00s> windows phone
Apr 30 14:35:05 <speeder> oh
Apr 30 14:35:12 <speeder> not tried that yet
Apr 30 14:35:23 <speeder> also I never saw a WP in person anyway
Apr 30 14:35:33 <speeder> I don't even know where to buy one
Apr 30 14:35:49 <g00s> i've seen a few lumia 521
Apr 30 14:35:54 <g00s> or 520?
Apr 30 14:35:59 <speeder> thepoosh, it is kids game... www.kidoteca.com is my site
Apr 30 14:36:07 <g00s> not many people have them, but the folks that do like it
Apr 30 14:36:10 <thepoosh> speeder, apparently, MS will pay you tons of money to develope for them with exclusivity
Apr 30 14:36:13 <speeder> g00s, I never saw a lumia in person, not even in a store
Apr 30 14:36:21 <thepoosh> a friend of moine has it
Apr 30 14:36:28 <thepoosh> and we have a WP department
Apr 30 14:36:31 <speeder> I am from Brazil
Apr 30 14:36:31 <thepoosh> so...
Apr 30 14:36:35 <g00s> when i go to the post office, i ask random people in line with me what they think of their phones
Apr 30 14:36:46 <thepoosh> speeder, cool you had a good sale for watch_dogs
Apr 30 14:37:04 <g00s> speeder ah, k … WP seems better in europe atm
Apr 30 14:37:42 <speeder> thepoosh, I mostly ignore Ubisoft stuff, their DRM policy is annoying
Apr 30 14:37:48 <speeder> I don't get their games even pirated
Apr 30 14:38:03 <thepoosh> wow
Apr 30 14:38:04 <thepoosh> that is harsh
Apr 30 14:38:15 <thepoosh> still, watch_dogs gave me a huge boner
Apr 30 14:38:19 <speeder> heh
Apr 30 14:38:20 <thepoosh> I pre-ordered
Apr 30 14:38:47 <speeder> I only pre-ordered one game in my life (Witcher 2... and I played it 1 year and a half after launch...)
Apr 30 14:38:54 <g00s> speeder http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/app-annie-ios-apps-get-85-more-revenue-android/2014-04-21
Apr 30 14:39:13 <speeder> when I ordered Witcher 2, my machine could not handle it... :P I forgot to check that little detail before ordering
Apr 30 14:39:46 <thepoosh> I just baught the first one
Apr 30 14:39:46 <thepoosh> on steam
Apr 30 14:39:49 <thepoosh> for 10$
Apr 30 14:39:59 <thepoosh> it's an awesome game
Apr 30 14:40:20 <speeder> g00s, mind you this is considering in-app purchase and ads too if I remember
Apr 30 14:40:31 <speeder> if you consider only up-front payments, android is FAAAAAAR behind
Apr 30 14:40:51 <thepoosh> speeder, apparently MS is the future
Apr 30 14:40:51 <thepoosh> http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/29/microsoft-is-technologys-comeback-kid/
Apr 30 14:40:56 <mattblang> So Activity Foo has a List Fragment and a Detail Fragment.  The Detail Fragment has a Google SupportMapFragment nested inside.  I am trying to do Master / Detail, and everything is working great until I click the second FooItem.  Apparently the Google SupportMapFragment doesn't like me doing another replace with a fragment in which it is nested in.
Apr 30 14:41:03 <speeder> iOS is... wierd (I have more paid than free downloads on iOS, and almost zero conversions, people just outright buy the apps without checking the demo first O.o)
Apr 30 14:42:10 <thepoosh> mathis98, are you invoking methods from Foo?
Apr 30 14:44:04 <mattblang> thepoosh im assuming you meant me, yes I am
Apr 30 14:44:17 <thepoosh> oh yeah
Apr 30 14:44:19 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 30 14:44:31 <thepoosh> what happens in the logs/debugging?
Apr 30 14:44:58 <mattblang> thepoosh FooActivity has the onItemClick callback that will selectivley launch a new intent, or replace the fragment, depending on if the container is present (like in the official example)
Apr 30 14:45:13 <mattblang> thepoosh pastebin, one moment
Apr 30 14:45:34 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 30 14:45:38 <thepoosh> why with Intent?
Apr 30 14:45:53 <mattblang> thepoosh http://pastebin.com/3iKphzSj
Apr 30 14:46:22 <thepoosh> looking
Apr 30 14:46:29 <mattblang> thepoosh if the Activity is in portrait on a phone I just want to launch the detail activity, rather than filling the container with the detail fragment
Apr 30 14:46:43 <thepoosh> mattblang, what happened in JobCenterDetailFragment line 103
Apr 30 14:46:44 <thepoosh> ?
Apr 30 14:47:06 <thepoosh> scratch that
Apr 30 14:47:08 <thepoosh> Duplicate id 0x7f09006c, tag null, or parent id 0x0 with another fragment for com.google.android.gms.maps.SupportMapFragment
Apr 30 14:47:12 <thepoosh> this will help
Apr 30 14:47:42 <mattblang> thepoosh yeah, line 103 is inflating the view.  so apparently it isn't liking inflating that SupportMapFragment a second time
Apr 30 14:47:55 <thepoosh> yes
Apr 30 14:47:57 <mattblang> thepoosh I read this on the 4.2 docs "Note: You cannot inflate a layout into a fragment when that layout includes a <fragment>. Nested fragments are only supported when added to a fragment dynamically."
Apr 30 14:48:08 <thepoosh> hmmm
Apr 30 14:48:09 <mattblang> thepoosh but I've never had a problem in the past until now, when doing a replace a second time
Apr 30 14:48:12 <thepoosh> that's a shame
Apr 30 14:48:23 <thepoosh> anyway, no need to inflate a different fragment
Apr 30 14:48:31 <thepoosh> just point it to the new location
Apr 30 14:48:46 <mattblang> thepoosh what do you mean?
Apr 30 14:49:22 <thepoosh> it's a GoogleMaps fragment?
Apr 30 14:49:33 <thepoosh> just give it the new location to show
Apr 30 14:51:56 <mattblang> thepoosh ahh yes, I was originally keeping a handle to the fragment so that it wouldn't be recreated after the first time, then I would just change the location, but I still got the error, I think after a config change maybe.
Apr 30 14:52:04 <mattblang> thepoosh lol, just found this on SO http://stackoverflow.com/q/14565460/1747491
Apr 30 14:52:46 <mattblang> thepoosh which seems to indicate that it is relatd to what I mentioned from the 4.2 docs
Apr 30 14:52:53 <thepoosh> cool
Apr 30 15:07:41 <g00s> hm, this is strange. if my app crashes while a service is started(START_NOT_STICKY), restarting the app from launcher causes the Service to restart with a null intent. I don't think this is supposed to happen
Apr 30 15:07:57 <g00s> or at least, its one of those corner cases that isn't documented, or I'm just confused
Apr 30 15:15:04 <TacticalJoke> If I want a simple layout for a dialog, can I specify just an EditText (or whatever) in the layout XML file?
Apr 30 15:15:15 <TacticalJoke> I don't need to specify a RelativeLayout for the EditText, right?
Apr 30 15:29:21 <speeder> I followed this step by step: https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v4/campaigns and got this error on logcat: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.google.android.gms.analytics.CampaignTrackingReceiver
Apr 30 15:29:21 <speeder> :(
Apr 30 15:32:49 <pfn> single item layouts don't need containers
Apr 30 15:34:57 <g00s> its amazing / scary how grepping through the aosp code for how START_NOT_STICKY is used in onStartCommand results in a different approach for almost each app
Apr 30 15:35:11 <g00s> some check if intent is null, some don't
Apr 30 15:35:19 <g00s> some call super, some dont
Apr 30 15:35:41 <speeder> damn Brazil internet
Apr 30 15:35:43 * g00s thinks, shouldn't this pretty much all look the same, a basic template
Apr 30 15:35:46 <speeder> anyone replied my question?
Apr 30 15:36:00 <speeder> (while I was out of internet)
Apr 30 15:36:05 <g00s> speeder no
Apr 30 15:36:11 <speeder> alright :(
Apr 30 15:37:46 <g00s> also this clearly seems like a bug in android framework if i'm passing START_NO_STICKY and my service is coming alive again
Apr 30 15:37:59 <g00s> this is the kind of crap which makes things infuriating.
Apr 30 15:38:11 <g00s> so in this case, it would go into an endless crash cycle
Apr 30 15:38:28 <g00s> then you try to start the app, and it would crash, and you would try to start, and it would crash ...
Apr 30 15:38:47 <g00s> because i assumed the intent form onStartCommand was not null
Apr 30 15:39:08 <g00s> according to the docs, a reasonable assumption when using START_NOT_STICKY
Apr 30 15:41:40 <pfn> so, to clarify
Apr 30 15:41:44 <pfn> there's no activity involved?
Apr 30 15:41:51 <pfn> e.g. if your app has a foreground activity
Apr 30 15:41:57 <pfn> the activity gets restarted -> the service gets started
Apr 30 15:42:44 <pfn> a crashed service doesn't generally auto-restart
Apr 30 15:43:34 <g00s> the activity crashes the app, but the service was already started. its only used in NOT_STICKY mode
Apr 30 15:43:43 <g00s> so there was an activity in the foreground
Apr 30 15:43:55 <pfn> then it's restarting the activity which is restarting your service
Apr 30 15:44:22 <g00s> actually, the activity doesnt start the service unless you press the button
Apr 30 15:44:24 * pfn goes back to investigating his race condition
Apr 30 15:44:34 * pfn shrugs
Apr 30 15:44:38 <g00s> yeah
Apr 30 15:44:39 <g00s> heh
Apr 30 15:44:39 <pfn> that's what it sounds like is happening to me
Apr 30 15:45:10 <g00s> the service isn't started until you press 'connect' :) hopefully, the framework isn't automatically doing that for me ;)
Apr 30 15:45:58 <pfn> dunno, maybe y ou have some code path that does
Apr 30 15:46:55 <g00s> i do have bind AUTO_CREATE, thats the only thing that would automatically trigger the creation of the service when the activity came to the FG, but thats not /startService/
Apr 30 15:47:21 <g00s> startService only fires from a button press, but looking through all these aosp apps ...
Apr 30 15:47:36 <g00s> they do check if the intent is null, even when using start_not_sticky - so I better also
Apr 30 15:47:38 <pfn> bindService will implicitly "startService"
Apr 30 15:47:44 <g00s> no
Apr 30 15:47:51 <g00s> definitely not
Apr 30 15:48:27 <g00s> onCreate will be called, but not onStartCommand
Apr 30 15:48:33 <pfn> hmm, ok
Apr 30 15:48:49 <g00s> i'm just going to do what all the aosp apps do ;)
Apr 30 15:48:56 * pfn shrugs
Apr 30 15:48:57 <g00s> seems safest bet
Apr 30 15:49:02 * pfn avoids service binders in all cases
Apr 30 15:49:13 <pfn> there's absolutely no reason to use them outside of ipc
Apr 30 15:55:32 <sha1sum> Hey all. I am getting errors about classes not being found that are in an external jar in the "libs" folder. I've ensured that "Android Private Libraries" is in the build path, that it's at the top of "Order and Export" under "Android Dependencies" and Eclipse is having no problem compiling my activity with references to the classes. ???
Apr 30 15:56:50 <sha1sum> "VFY: unable to find class referenced in signature" followed by "Could not find class 'com.foo.Bar'..."
Apr 30 15:57:40 * g00s has no idea what eclipse /adt is doing these days
Apr 30 15:57:47 <sha1sum> I've also verified that the classes are in the jar using the "jar" tool
Apr 30 15:59:09 <sha1sum> I do have updates to the SDK tools and the ADT plugin which I'm running now, but I've had no problems with external jars before with the same versions, so I'm not too hopeful about the updates fixing the issue.
Apr 30 16:04:14 <pfn> sha1sum, if it's not crashing, it's not a problem
Apr 30 16:04:42 <sha1sum> It's crashing when it's attempting to use the class(es)
Apr 30 16:05:34 <sha1sum> Activity displays fine. Whenever code is reached that attempts to instantiate a class from the jar, the app force closes.
Apr 30 16:06:36 <mattblang> say you have a DetailFragment that should change the title of the activity when in portrait, but not when in master / detail on landscape.  Where should I check to see if I shoudl change the title?
Apr 30 16:09:43 <Charl1e> Hey, bit of a CS question so not sure if anyone knows but... basically I want to preprocess some lists of data. I want to sort the same data in a number of ways, is is possible to have my sorted data array, and then another field that stores the order of indexes for my different sort order? Is there a better way of doing that without duplicating the data?
Apr 30 16:11:59 <vmusr> Hello,  has anyone used Apache POI with Android?
Apr 30 16:21:09 <askhader> Charl1e: The method you have in mind seems fine to me if there aren't too many (TM) different sortings.
Apr 30 16:21:50 <Charl1e> askhader: yeah I think there's only 2, max 3
Apr 30 16:23:10 <Charl1e> anyway, home time, cya
Apr 30 16:23:51 <MohammadAG> is there a way to use LayoutIfnlater with a different ClassLodaer?
Apr 30 16:47:31 <arielgpe> Hi! can someone help me?
Apr 30 16:49:23 <Leeds> arielgpe: hi
Apr 30 16:49:26 <Leeds> maybe!
Apr 30 16:49:50 <Leeds> unfortunately, this isn't #android-telepathy, so it's very hard for us to guess!!!
Apr 30 16:50:15 <arielgpe> Okay, i'll explain , sorry
Apr 30 16:50:37 <g00s> huh, didn't realize switch (null string) == NPE
Apr 30 16:50:39 <arielgpe> im developing a widget that its suppose to retrieve data form a json url
Apr 30 16:50:44 <arielgpe> When the user its logged in there are some TextViews on the widget that are suppose to load and update data from the JSON Url, but i cant seem to find a way to do this. I would usually use intents, but it looks like the widgetProvider cannot use intents or findViewById.
Apr 30 16:56:23 <arielgpe> so, no one?
Apr 30 16:58:14 <Leeds> arielgpe: I'm not clear on exactly what you don't know how to do, or what is failing... but I'm also going to bed in a minute, so... and you just quit, so hey!
Apr 30 17:07:01 <pthreat> Leeds: yay he quit!
Apr 30 17:07:15 <pthreat> Leeds: 1 | arielgpe: 0
Apr 30 17:07:28 <Leeds> I wasn't *trying* to get him to quit...
Apr 30 17:07:38 <pthreat> yeah right ...
Apr 30 17:09:20 <smallfoot-> When I build my project, my .apk file is unaligned. What does it mean that it is unaligned, and how do I align it?
Apr 30 17:10:36 <pthreat> smallfoot-: Honestly? I have no idea but why do you want to align something if you don't even know what unaligned means in this context?
Apr 30 17:11:01 <pthreat> I sure don't know what that means
Apr 30 17:11:37 <smallfoot-> pthreat, because unaligned is probably something bad, like uncool, unimpressive, etc
Apr 30 17:11:43 <Leeds> an apk is just a zipfile, aligning moves things to 4/8/whatever-byte boundaries to make it more efficient to read it
Apr 30 17:11:53 <smallfoot-> I see
Apr 30 17:11:59 <pthreat> It is a two step process. The unaligned apk is just an intermediate product. from stackoverflow
Apr 30 17:12:09 <Leeds> you can do it by hand, but most build tools should just do it for you nowadays
Apr 30 17:12:14 <vmusr> Is there any simple way to work on xlsx on android? Xlsx4j and Apache poi don't work and jxl works only on the binary format
Apr 30 17:20:38 <Korvin> Is there an android simulator?
Apr 30 17:20:47 <smallfoot-> you mean emulator?
Apr 30 17:20:48 <Korvin> no
Apr 30 17:20:54 <Korvin> I mean simulator
Apr 30 17:21:05 <smallfoot-> What do you mean by simulator?
Apr 30 17:21:11 <Korvin> I don't care for 1-1 accuracy, just to reduce the pain of testing
Apr 30 17:21:34 <Leeds> bluestacks?
Apr 30 17:21:45 <Korvin> I mean an android simulator, like how xcode has iphone / ipad simulators
Apr 30 17:25:30 <vmusr> Korvin - it's called AVD
Apr 30 17:25:34 <vmusr> Android virtual device
Apr 30 17:25:50 <Korvin> I know, those are emulators
Apr 30 17:26:00 <Korvin> I don't think there are any simulators
Apr 30 17:26:02 <Korvin> :/
Apr 30 17:26:08 <Korvin> emulator is just so miserably slow
Apr 30 17:26:16 <vmusr> Korvin define simulator, for those of us who hasn't used xcode
Apr 30 17:26:34 <pthreat> There's microsoft flight simulator too
Apr 30 17:26:40 <Mavrik> Korvin, you are using x86 image with GPU acceleration right?
Apr 30 17:26:45 <pthreat> (?
Apr 30 17:27:02 <alexfu> i noticed that changing background bounds has no effect unless it's done in the onDraw() method. Anyone got an idea why?
Apr 30 17:27:13 <Korvin> Mavrik: x86 I just get a crash
Apr 30 17:27:23 <Mavrik> then fix the crash.
Apr 30 17:27:28 <frankdoyle> simulator: reproduce the output by doing whatever, emulator: reproduce the output by recreating the internals
Apr 30 17:27:29 <Korvin> vmusr / pthreat, it's literally the difference between emulation and simulation
Apr 30 17:27:41 <vmusr> Korvin then use an x86 image
Apr 30 17:27:41 <smallfoot-> Use Intel x86 Android image with Intel HAXM, then its fast
Apr 30 17:27:54 <Korvin> Mavrik: the emulator process crashes
Apr 30 17:27:59 <Korvin> not the app
Apr 30 17:28:02 <vmusr> Korvin use Genymotion
Apr 30 17:28:10 <Korvin> vmusr: genymotion won
Apr 30 17:28:13 <Korvin> won't launch :p
Apr 30 17:28:18 <pthreat> Can't think of something that "reproduces the output by doing whatever" without gimicking the internals
Apr 30 17:28:22 <vmusr> Korvin then fix your enviroment
Apr 30 17:28:23 <Mavrik> Korvin, then instead of looking for another piece of software
Apr 30 17:28:27 <pthreat> But that's just me
Apr 30 17:28:28 <Mavrik> Korvin, fix your broken computer
Apr 30 17:28:34 <vmusr> If both avd and genymotion don't launch, then something is wrong with your enviroment
Apr 30 17:28:41 <Mavrik> if qemu and vbox won't start, your computer is fucked up
Apr 30 17:28:53 <Korvin> AVD and emulators launch fine, the x86 crashes
Apr 30 17:28:56 <Korvin> vbox works fine too
Apr 30 17:28:59 <smallfoot-> if AVD and Genymotion doesn't launch, it means your CPU lacks virtualization instructions, or its disabled in BIOS/UEFI
Apr 30 17:29:04 <Korvin> genymotion is whining about connectivity
Apr 30 17:29:15 <Korvin> smallfoot-: I'm on a vanilla retina MBP
Apr 30 17:29:17 <smallfoot-> oh
Apr 30 17:29:20 <smallfoot-> I don't know
Apr 30 17:29:34 <Korvin> :p I'll mess with it some more as that's my only option
Apr 30 17:29:35 <Mavrik> all of them work just fine on rMBP
Apr 30 17:29:42 <Korvin> I was just seeing if there was a simulator
Apr 30 17:29:53 <Mavrik> Korvin, those are simulators.
Apr 30 17:29:56 <vmusr> Korvin there isn't a simulator per se
Apr 30 17:30:10 <vmusr> And Apple's terminology is incorrect
Apr 30 17:30:18 <vmusr> But that's a diffrent story
Apr 30 17:30:28 <frankdoyle> pthreat: simulator runs x86 natively, the android emulator has to translate ARM code into x86
Apr 30 17:30:56 <frankdoyle> simplest terms, it cheats
Apr 30 17:30:56 <Korvin> apple's terminology isn't incorrect
Apr 30 17:31:07 <Korvin> it's a simulator, it's not actually accurate to the device
Apr 30 17:31:16 <Korvin> the emulator emulates the device along with hardware
Apr 30 17:31:22 <pthreat> it's fucking stupid. Im fucking EMULATING another device PERIOD. The architechture can suck it
Apr 30 17:31:23 <Korvin> simulator simulates the runtime
Apr 30 17:31:28 <Korvin> :p
Apr 30 17:31:42 <pthreat> Oh and btw? Fuck iphone
Apr 30 17:31:46 <pthreat> :
Apr 30 17:31:46 <pthreat> D
Apr 30 17:31:57 <Korvin> Genymotion: Unable to connect to your virtual device! Genymotion will now stop. Check your VirtualBox network configuration.
Apr 30 17:31:58 <frankdoyle> but, by definition, you're not
Apr 30 17:32:07 <pthreat> that's ok
Apr 30 17:32:11 <vmusr> Korvin firewall?
Apr 30 17:32:28 <pthreat> http://imgur.com/jacoj hahahaha
Apr 30 17:32:30 <Korvin> Is geny motion going over my lan to hit my simulator?
Apr 30 17:32:40 <Korvin> s/simulator/vbox/
Apr 30 17:33:06 <Korvin> I'm debugging it, like I said, I kinda have to
Apr 30 17:33:13 <Korvin> just wanted to know if there was a simulator
Apr 30 17:34:37 <vmusr> Is there any simple way to work on xlsx on android? Xlsx4j and Apache poi don't work and jxl works only on the binary format
Apr 30 17:35:53 <Mavrik> hmm, I doubt it
Apr 30 17:38:50 <pthreat> Question: Where the fuck do I put my own classes ?
Apr 30 17:39:41 <pthreat> just in src/com/myappName
Apr 30 17:39:52 <pthreat> ?
Apr 30 17:48:17 <mackief_> hey someone here?
Apr 30 17:55:56 <mackief> Someone's here?
Apr 30 18:01:57 <Korvin> Mavrik: x86 I get emulator: Failed to open the hax module
Apr 30 18:02:39 <Korvin> sounds like there's an intel program that will fix it? the SO answers are pretty vague
Apr 30 18:03:59 <Korvin> ah, this may just be the piece I was missing
Apr 30 18:05:20 <HashNuke> When implementing a backend for mobile apps, whats the best way to secure the API? I was thinking of returning an auth token on login, which can be used for subsequent requests. Any other way?
Apr 30 18:05:50 <Korvin> HashNuke: tls
Apr 30 18:06:01 <Korvin> and an authentication token
Apr 30 18:06:12 <Korvin> I follow an oauth workflow and use the token for every request
Apr 30 18:06:15 <p_l> Korvin: HAXM is intel's virtualization module available for intel cpus on windows
Apr 30 18:07:15 <p_l> HashNuke: TLS 1.2 with pinned certs and good ciphersuite is the very, very, very bare minimum, IMO (with client certificate pinning as well if you are not exporting the API to others).
Apr 30 18:07:28 <p_l> HashNuke: rest depends on the API use case
Apr 30 18:07:36 <SimonVT> And osx and linux
Apr 30 18:08:02 <p_l> SimonVT: on Linux at least HAXM doesn't exist - emulator uses KVM where possible
Apr 30 18:08:06 <HashNuke> p_l: the whole mobile app makes remote request on almost every activity. (everything is stored in the backend).
Apr 30 18:08:13 <p_l> unless they added something more
Apr 30 18:08:25 <p_l> HashNuke: ... that sounds like something that will be PITA to users
Apr 30 18:08:35 <p_l> you'll have to do a lot of caching
Apr 30 18:08:44 <HashNuke> p_l: yes. I'm caching whatever is possible
Apr 30 18:09:03 <p_l> mobile network is neither fast nor low-latency, no matter what fancy leaflets left the provider's PR office after a drunken binge
Apr 30 18:09:17 <Korvin> HashNuke: My app is similar, I just make heavy use of promises
Apr 30 18:09:23 <SimonVT> Then scrap the linux part of my statement :p
Apr 30 18:09:43 <HashNuke> Korvin: Here's what I had in mind: When the user logs in (with email and password), an auth token is returned, which is used along with subsequent requests example.com/api/whatever?token=123xyz (token remains the same for life).
Apr 30 18:09:52 <p_l> HashNuke: anyway, rest of authentication etc. depends on things like users having individual access codes etc.
Apr 30 18:10:06 <Korvin> HashNuke: you should follow oauth 2
Apr 30 18:10:20 <p_l> you might want to use OAuth, also read up on HMAC and such in tokens
Apr 30 18:10:21 <HashNuke> Korvin: But for that I'll have to open up a webview to login right?
Apr 30 18:10:24 <Korvin> With our other application we also encrypt data going both ways with aes256
Apr 30 18:10:28 <p_l> Korvin: not necessarily
Apr 30 18:10:32 <Korvin> HashNuke not really
Apr 30 18:10:42 <Korvin> twitter uses oauth
Apr 30 18:10:46 <Korvin> doesn't open a webview
Apr 30 18:10:48 <p_l> the webview is usually to interface with 3rd party service
Apr 30 18:10:55 <HashNuke> oh.
Apr 30 18:11:13 <mackief> Anyone available - that owns a N5 - to test a customrom based on AOSP KK?
Apr 30 18:11:15 <HashNuke> any libraries I should take a look at for oauth?
Apr 30 18:11:24 <p_l> i.e. App A asks for authorization to use service B and opens service B login page, to gain a delegated auth token
Apr 30 18:11:26 <Korvin> on android I use signpost
Apr 30 18:11:32 <p_l> mackief: #android-root
Apr 30 18:11:46 <Korvin> HashNuke: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-1.3.4
Apr 30 18:11:48 <HashNuke> Korvin: Thanks. I'll google it.
Apr 30 18:12:37 <Korvin> np
Apr 30 18:13:15 <HashNuke> Korvin: The client ID and client secret is shipped hardcoded into the mobile app?
Apr 30 18:13:26 <Korvin> heh emulator crashes with x86 and host gpu if an hdmi screen is attached
Apr 30 18:13:39 <Korvin> yeah HashNuke
Apr 30 18:13:47 <HashNuke> Korvin: thanks.
Apr 30 18:13:51 <Korvin> be careful with it though, twitter released their's last year
Apr 30 18:14:13 <Korvin> replacing hardcoded secrets is difficult
Apr 30 18:15:02 <HashNuke> Korvin: makes sense.
Apr 30 18:15:39 <HashNuke> Korvin: signups also happen thru oauth?
Apr 30 18:15:50 <Korvin> they can, yes
Apr 30 18:16:05 <Korvin> doesn't exactly need to though
Apr 30 18:16:14 <Korvin> just have an unauthenticated api endpoint that handles registration
Apr 30 18:16:22 <Korvin> doesn't need to be entwined with oauth
Apr 30 18:17:11 <HashNuke> Korvin: upon registration the user will have to be seemlessly be logged in, but in oauth, the user will have to manually login again granting access right?
Apr 30 18:17:19 <speeder> googne analytics is driving me nuts
Apr 30 18:17:23 <speeder> I am following the GA4 manual
Apr 30 18:17:25 <speeder> it works partially
Apr 30 18:17:34 <speeder> the part that is not working, the instructions are on the V3 site instead
Apr 30 18:17:39 <speeder> and the tag on logcat says GA3
Apr 30 18:17:42 <speeder> I am... confused
Apr 30 18:17:50 <Korvin> HashNuke: if you want them to be logged in directly after registering, just make it an oauth login endpoint
Apr 30 18:17:56 <speeder> fuck schizo google
Apr 30 18:18:25 <Korvin> just check if all of the registration values are provided, and if so, create the user and log them in
Apr 30 18:19:37 <HashNuke> Korvin: Sorry didn't get that "make it an oauth login endpoint". I thought oauth requests are all made with clientId and secret, inorder to get a user token, only after which user-related requests can be made. I don't see how an endpoint for signup can fit it.
Apr 30 18:20:02 <Korvin> HashNuke: think of it like this
Apr 30 18:20:16 <Korvin> oauth has nothing to do with username and password by default, you can write a grant for anything
Apr 30 18:20:26 <Korvin> say you wanted to make your service allow access to only people from the USA
Apr 30 18:20:50 <Korvin> you make them go through this endpoint that checks their ip or something and then returns a token that is authenticate
Apr 30 18:20:54 <Korvin> authenticated*
Apr 30 18:21:14 <Korvin> you can authenticate on any arbitrary rule, or no rule at all
Apr 30 18:21:25 <Korvin> so making that rule be that your registration be fully filled out is no problem
Apr 30 18:21:46 <Korvin> it can literally just be a registration form that submits to a login endpoint
Apr 30 18:22:00 <Korvin> the endpoint validates the entries and creates a user then authenticates that user
Apr 30 18:23:21 <HashNuke> Korvin: oh. Didn't know about oauth rules. I thought it was always about getting a user token upon making requests for one.
Apr 30 18:23:48 <Korvin> HashNuke: yeah, it's basically a framework that allows you to do that, but it's not coupled to a user at all
Apr 30 18:24:03 <Korvin> you manage the connection to your own user record from the authenticated token
Apr 30 18:25:01 <HashNuke> Korvin: so basically only the auth/registration is via oauth and every other request with the user token is not touching oauth stuff at all but instead just checking the db to see if the token matches with what was given.
Apr 30 18:26:08 <Korvin> HashNuke: essentially
Apr 30 18:27:04 <Korvin> I'm glad you followed what I was putting down :p
Apr 30 18:27:17 <Korvin> It's definitely a confusing thing until you actually implement it
Apr 30 18:27:36 <Korvin> especially signature stuff, but you won't need to worry about that as long as you use libraries on each end
Apr 30 18:31:56 <HashNuke> Korvin: I'm using an oauth provider library with Rails.
Apr 30 18:32:08 <Korvin> yeah, just make sure it's 2.0
Apr 30 18:32:52 <HashNuke> Korvin: Yes it's oauth2. But I know I'll need to understand whats happening in order to use it.
Apr 30 18:33:16 <Korvin> cool
Apr 30 18:33:19 <Korvin> I wish you luck :)
Apr 30 18:33:58 <pieces029> Hey everyong, does anyone have / know where to find instructions similar to http://source.android.com/source/using-eclipse.html but for IntelliJ?
Apr 30 18:34:03 <HashNuke> Korvin: haha. I think I'll need it. Thank you :)
Apr 30 18:36:01 <Korvin> pieces029: https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html
Apr 30 18:37:41 <HashNuke> pieces029: If you are just starting to learn android, I suggest falling back to the ADT Eclipse Bundle. You'll find a lot of tutorials.
Apr 30 18:42:03 <pieces029> Korvin: I'm looking to actually get the android open source project into intellij
Apr 30 18:42:12 <pieces029> not learning how to use android studio
Apr 30 18:42:21 <Korvin> ah
Apr 30 18:42:24 <Korvin> no clue then
Apr 30 18:42:28 <pieces029> ty
Apr 30 18:44:30 <pieces029> HashNuke: Although not what I was asking I would like to say that, Android Studio is far superior to eclipse and I would recommend it over eclipse every day especially to people learning android.
Apr 30 18:47:27 <HashNuke> pieces029: Been 3yrs since I did any android dev. I downloaded Android Studio today and couldn't get past the "Gradle sync failed" error after creating a project.
Apr 30 18:47:46 <HashNuke> pieces029: any way to fix that?
Apr 30 18:51:24 <pfn> god, I wish intellij had a thread dump view for android
Apr 30 18:51:28 <pfn> instead of having to fallback to ddms
Apr 30 18:52:37 <pfn> that's where intellij lags behind eclipse pretty heavily for android
Apr 30 18:53:16 <Syzygy> is there way to get the nth entry of a treemap without iterating over parts of the map?
Apr 30 18:54:30 <Korvin> what's the best way to get a unique install id?
Apr 30 18:55:27 <senior> How do you get ads in your game? Does Google provide a them?
Apr 30 19:00:42 <pieces029> HashNuke: Is that your only error messag?
Apr 30 19:00:48 <pieces029> message*
Apr 30 19:01:03 <HashNuke> pieces029: yes.
Apr 30 19:01:17 <HashNuke> pieces029: Spent half a day trying to get more.
Apr 30 19:01:28 <pieces029> there should be more in the console.  I would guess you don't have the right packages installed from the sdk manager
Apr 30 19:01:51 <HashNuke> pieces029: Just trying again. I found someone's blog post suggesting deleting $HOME/.gradle dir and then restartig Android Studio
Apr 30 19:02:21 <pieces029> if you can't get any from studio, run gradle from the command line
Apr 30 19:02:31 <pieces029> ./gradlew assembleDebug
Apr 30 19:02:53 <pfn> Syzygy, no, because that's how a Tree is defined
Apr 30 19:03:02 <pfn> Syzygy, you can write your own helpers to get the nth entry
Apr 30 19:03:09 <HashNuke> pieces029: gradlew not found
Apr 30 19:03:16 <pfn> trees don't have random access
Apr 30 19:03:24 <Syzygy> alright
Apr 30 19:03:46 <HashNuke> pieces029: http://cl.ly/image/062y0H312w0k that's the error I get
Apr 30 19:07:27 <HashNuke> pieces029: any clue whats wrong?
Apr 30 19:08:56 <valheru7> so with LocationManager, what's the best way to force the refresh of the last known location?
Apr 30 19:09:19 <pieces029> HashNuke: one sec
Apr 30 19:10:16 <pieces029> HashNuke: can you expand your android folder?
Apr 30 19:10:39 <HashNuke> pieces029: sure. what can i paste/show from there?
Apr 30 19:11:01 <valheru7> basically onLocationChanged() is never getting called but I want an updated location
Apr 30 19:11:35 <HashNuke> pieces029: http://cl.ly/image/2C0h0X3n343Q
Apr 30 19:12:51 <pieces029> HashNuke: I think your best bet is to run gradlew assembleDebug from the command line and see what errors that spits out
Apr 30 19:13:19 <HashNuke> pieces029: Dont have the gradlew command. Should I install gradle seperately?
Apr 30 19:13:32 <pieces029> No gradlew gets the correct version for you
Apr 30 19:13:49 <pieces029> /path/to/project/gradlew assembleDebug
Apr 30 19:13:55 <HashNuke> oh that way
Apr 30 19:14:17 <HashNuke> I didnt know there was a binary inside my project dir.
Apr 30 19:14:33 <HashNuke> "./gradlew: Permission denied"
Apr 30 19:14:37 <HashNuke> I think I'll have to chmod it
Apr 30 19:17:11 <HashNuke> pieces029: running the ./gradlew assembleDebug now seems to be downloading some stuff
Apr 30 19:20:08 <HashNuke> pieces029: in the end it says "Build Successful"
Apr 30 19:21:17 <pieces029> HashNuke: so it's android studio that doesn't know what's going on... Can you try and install the apk that it made?
Apr 30 19:21:23 <pieces029> shoudl be in the /build/apk folder
Apr 30 19:21:26 <pieces029> in your subproject
Apr 30 19:21:48 <HashNuke> pieces029: so gradle just built my app?
Apr 30 19:21:55 <RedDunce> hey guys, i know advertising in here is really a bad look, but one of my best friends is 9 votes away from having a chance to open for & meet krewella, one of his favorite dj's, this friday. if any of you guys wouldn't mind voting, it'd take 2 seconds
Apr 30 19:21:57 <frankdrey> why does the user notifications feature of google cloud messaging require sign up?
Apr 30 19:22:10 <HashNuke> I just closed Android Studio and started it once again to see whats wrong
Apr 30 19:22:12 <RedDunce> all you gotta do is hit the heart on this page (and maybe register with facebook, but the app doesn't need any permissions)
Apr 30 19:22:13 <RedDunce> https://wavo.me/pulses/10448806611510000?u=5356d90a56ebc04d3100028c&s=rdNgYn90cSVRwqxKr2y0Mt-4gQo&v=1
Apr 30 19:22:27 <RedDunce> it'd really mean a lot to both of us
Apr 30 19:22:59 <HashNuke> pieces029: Got no sync errors now after restarting android studio. I think chmoding the gradle and gradlew cmd helped.
Apr 30 19:25:24 <frankdrey> the form also asks for "active mobile users", how the heck am i supposed to know that before release?:P
Apr 30 19:29:04 <HashNuke> pieces029: Thank you. Got an app running on Android Studio.
Apr 30 19:29:21 <HashNuke> In order to celebrate, I'm going to delete Eclipse ADT bundle and go sleep for today.
Apr 30 19:29:56 <wolfehr> hey all, I’m trying to work with aadb in a custom build script, but can’t find any documentation for the implementation outside of the command line usage. Anyone know where I can find this?
Apr 30 19:30:16 <wolfehr> *aapt
Apr 30 19:31:44 <pieces029> HashNuke: np
Apr 30 19:32:24 <frankdrey> wolfehr, well a script is just a lot of command line commands in a text file, isn't it?
Apr 30 19:33:24 <wolfehr> the specific implementation of <aapt executable=“{aapt}” command=“package” verbose=“” etc. isn’t a direct <exec /> implementation, just looking for docs on that
Apr 30 19:33:44 <wolfehr> or even better, the mappings to the command line equivalents
Apr 30 19:43:20 <ahel> Hi, newbee question: how can i find the mantainer of a AOSP project?
Apr 30 19:44:25 <ahel> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Calculator.git last commit has been made by Baligh Uddin, but my google-fu skills hadn't helped
Apr 30 19:45:44 <senior> How do you get ads in your game? Does Google provide a them?
Apr 30 19:47:41 <TheBunnyZOS> senior:  There are many companies that provide ads SDKs and metrics libs for apps and games
Apr 30 19:48:35 <TheBunnyZOS> example… http://www.mobfox.com/publishers/integration/
Apr 30 19:55:02 * ahel is following another track
Apr 30 20:14:53 <_sillymarkets> Can anyone help me out with an idea for an android app? I just need someone to point to examples where I can look at the code
Apr 30 20:15:06 <_sillymarkets> .I want a one-button app, that when the user clicks it, it will send an email to a pre-defined address with a screen capture of the Phone Network Settings (Phone number, IMSI), along with the Call Logs and a time stamp
Apr 30 20:15:26 <_sillymarkets> Does anyone know of similar functionality that I could read the code and learn from?
Apr 30 20:15:53 <mihai_c> senior: a have just installed admob ads for a google play store app
Apr 30 20:16:22 <mihai_c> senior: admob/adsense now are the same
Apr 30 20:17:32 <mattblang> say I've got a Detail fragment that needs the ID of an item from the database (or whatever) to do a lookup and populate textviews, etc.  Is it okay to make an interface getId that any activity will need to implement that includes it?
Apr 30 20:17:48 <mihai_c> senior: here is a good start https://developers.google.com/mobile-ads-sdk/
Apr 30 20:18:59 <mihai_c> senior: and here is example code https://github.com/googleads/googleads-mobile-android-examples/tree/master/admob/banner
Apr 30 20:26:04 <jrobinson3k1> Is there a way with Android Studio to have a separate Application class that instrumentation tests use? I'm using Dagger and am trying to find a good place to inject my test modules.
Apr 30 20:46:52 <senior> So lets say you have 10000 users, how much revenue could that generate from ads? Obv it depends on how much they click them and other stuff but still maybe it is possible to give some sort of pointer?
Apr 30 20:51:47 <wfw> Hey all, I couldn't seem to find much clear explanation/guarantees in the docs -- I'm looking at telephony.sms and I want to know what thread_id is; is it unique? across what time frame?
Apr 30 20:58:57 <mihai_c> senior: i only had a week; i have 40 downloads per day, and my add is showing 120 times per day and i get 2 clicks. For that i make 0.14 euro cents
Apr 30 21:01:27 <mihai_c> senior: my game has 4 months and getherd 6000 total installs and 800 current installs, but as i said i started only a week ago
Apr 30 21:02:51 <shmooz> mihai_c: which app ?
Apr 30 21:03:24 <mihai_c> shmooz: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.probitorg.nasst&hl=en
Apr 30 21:03:34 <mihai_c> it's a game for kids
Apr 30 21:04:43 <shmooz> lol
Apr 30 21:04:55 <shmooz> making them sit on their phones like chickens
Apr 30 21:05:47 <shmooz> almost as bad as that other one where you it tells you how high you threw your phone
Apr 30 21:07:11 <mihai_c> :)
Apr 30 21:07:32 <mihai_c> well not quite, just a little worm up will do
Apr 30 21:07:48 <mihai_c> actually i forgot to put a temperature check
Apr 30 21:08:08 <shmooz> you should also detect hard bumps so that they don't crack the egg
Apr 30 21:08:28 <mihai_c> but now i remember from news that a girl was hurt from a phone battery explosion so i might be on the wrong path
Apr 30 21:09:03 <shmooz> mihai_c: you can put a disclaimer I guess
Apr 30 21:09:44 <mihai_c> anyway, a 3d game will heat up ten times more then keeping the phone in your hands for a while :)
Apr 30 21:16:07 <wfw> anybody have any clue on thread_id?
Apr 30 21:16:37 <wfw> it's an int, but is it sequential? when do they recycle, if ever?
Apr 30 21:19:23 <mihai_c> shmooz: where do i put the disclaimer? What should it say?
Apr 30 21:31:53 <senior>       builder.setRootUrl(LOCAL_APP_ENGINE_SERVER_URL_FOR_ANDROID
Apr 30 21:31:53 <senior>           + "/_ah/api/");
Apr 30 21:32:08 <senior> im runnign locally but not throughsimulator
Apr 30 21:35:41 <Gorroth> hi
Apr 30 21:36:02 <Gorroth> Is there some problem with unlocking Nexus 10s that have the latest version of Android?  Both me and a friend just unlocked ours, and upon reboot, it doesn't boot up.
Apr 30 21:36:15 <Gorroth> It just keeps spinning the google splash screen logo.
Apr 30 21:36:29 <senior> how do I run the phone against devappserver on localhost?
Apr 30 21:47:48 <senior> How do I run my app against the dev appserver running at localhost:8888 ? I just created the android appengine standard project and just want to be able to run it
Apr 30 21:48:09 <jrobinson3k1> In Dagger, can you not override Module provides if you use the plus() method?
Apr 30 21:48:16 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 30 21:48:26 <JakeWharton> graphs and their bindings are immutable once created
Apr 30 21:48:51 <jrobinson3k1> So I've been trying to figure out how to inject my test modules for a good while now, and I cannot for the life of me come up with a solution that works
Apr 30 21:49:20 <jrobinson3k1> I can't do it after the getActivity() call, as it's too late to inject at that point
Apr 30 21:50:22 <jrobinson3k1> it seems what I need to do is somehow add my test modules at the same time as all my other modules
Apr 30 21:51:12 <jrobinson3k1> but I can't figure out how to achieve that within the scope of testing.
Apr 30 21:52:04 <MiniFridge> Hello
Apr 30 21:52:20 <MiniFridge> I think there is an error with Android 4.4.2 on the Samsung Galaxy S4
Apr 30 21:52:48 <jrobinson3k1> the only solution that seems to make sense that I've found online is to create a Application class that duplicates the package of the main app's Application class, but Android Studio complains about duplicate files
Apr 30 21:52:49 <Jonathan_Eyre> I have the background of a custom listview correctly changing when an item is pressed, but I cannot seen to hightlight the currently selected item.
Apr 30 21:53:23 <Jonathan_Eyre> Since this is for API 8, I cannot use ?android:attr/activatedBackgroundIndicator
Apr 30 21:53:35 <MiniFridge> Basically, what happens is when I shut down and boot into safe mode, then go back into the normal part, all my downloaded apps are not inside the folders in the app drawer
Apr 30 21:54:12 <JakeWharton> jrobinson3k1: create an application class that extends the normal one and put it in the test manifest
Apr 30 21:54:39 <wfw> Hey, wondering what guarantees are made about thread_id for telephony.sms - are they unique? over what timeframe? are they incremental? do they ever reset/reuse?
Apr 30 21:54:39 <jrobinson3k1> there isn't a test manifest in Android Studio. can you still create and use one?
Apr 30 21:54:57 <JakeWharton> Jonathan_Eyre: state_activated wasn't added until API 11
Apr 30 21:55:12 <JakeWharton> jrobinson3k1: don't know. you should be able to create one
Apr 30 21:55:31 <jrobinson3k1> JakeWharton: Okay thanks, I'll look into that
Apr 30 21:55:53 <JakeWharton> with a test application you could override an Object[] getModules() method
Apr 30 22:00:06 <Jonathan_Eyre> JakeWharton: So pre-API 11 I should just figure that they won't be able to see the selected item?
Apr 30 22:00:18 <JakeWharton> or use a different state to differentiate
Apr 30 22:02:15 <Jonathan_Eyre> My current selector is a mess from every project I could find on this issue, but here it is currently. http://pastebin.com/ZzecjV0V
Apr 30 22:02:58 <Jonathan_Eyre> I can detect pressed events, but not selected. I'm not sure what state to use for API 8.
Apr 30 22:03:55 <senior> How do I set the application name oin my android client for the the appengine server?
Apr 30 22:07:55 <mattblang> say I want to implement a master detail pattern.  would it be best to have one activity that dynamically loads all the fragments depending on configurations, or should I do it more statically with XML.
Apr 30 22:34:28 <senior> has noone created an appengine connected project? i cant get it to run against appengine. hwo do i et the application name?
Apr 30 23:02:01 <senior> how do I make Eclipse buiold and deploy to appengine rather than to the devserver?
Apr 30 23:18:55 <senior> http://1-dot-booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/
Apr 30 23:19:23 <Asterfield> Is `mytexview.setText( dyamicContent );` _the_ right way to do things?
Apr 30 23:19:49 <Asterfield> Or is there some sort of `myLayout.render( myModel )` thing somewhere?
Apr 30 23:21:04 <senior> So http://1-dot-booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/ and http://booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/ is the same application? and when I deploy http://2-dot-booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/, http://booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/ will be the same and http://1-dot-booming-cairn-560.appspot.com/ will still exist?
Apr 30 23:37:40 <creitve> When I use sendBroadcast(broadcastIntent);  , if I include broadcast reciever right after this, will the activity that called it immediately recieve it?
Apr 30 23:39:27 <lasserix> Hello, anyone know if an intent service can bind to a remote service?
May 01 00:08:49 <g00s> gradle 0.10.0 :)
May 01 00:09:45 <g00s> ah, 0.10 has a new manifest merger
May 01 00:10:31 <g00s> "Placeholder support"
May 01 00:10:40 <g00s> oh, this is cool for putting a content provider in an aar
May 01 00:10:47 <g00s> authority can be parameterized now
May 01 00:10:56 <g00s> without stupid hackery
May 01 00:17:59 <alexfu> calling getBackground().setBounds() seems to have no effect on EditText unless it's in onDraw, and even then it doesnt work all the time...
May 01 01:06:23 <fancyfetus> hey guys
May 01 01:07:06 <fancyfetus> I am just about to delve into the android development world. I am already fluent in java, but am completely new to the SDK and that black-magic XML stuff.
May 01 01:07:25 <fancyfetus> Any good tutorials or books that you guys can recommend to get me going?
May 01 01:07:46 <bankai_au> d.android.com
May 01 01:07:50 <Anthaas> The same as any other language. Think of a project. Research how to do each part as you go along.
May 01 01:08:05 <Anthaas> ^ that link is for all documentation on the classes available with Android.
May 01 01:08:54 <barbs> there was one I used called "Hello Android", but that was 3 years ago, not sure what the best resource is now...
May 01 01:08:56 <fancyfetus> Anthaas, there is a certain amount of start up knowledge you need to begin doing that, no?
May 01 01:09:10 <g00s> barbs yeah, he hasn't updated Hello Android
May 01 01:09:13 <Anthaas> Nope. Why? If you don't know how to do the basics, then you research the basics.
May 01 01:09:32 <fancyfetus> When you don't know what the basics are, I mean.
May 01 01:09:46 <Anthaas> Then you find a "Hello world" example.
May 01 01:09:55 <barbs> Anthaas: not everyone learns that way. some people prefer tutorials. that's why they exist
May 01 01:09:56 <Anthaas> Find out how to show a layout, and edit a TextView on that layout.
May 01 01:10:14 <Anthaas> barbs: Tutorials show people how to do things, part of the research.
May 01 01:10:19 <fancyfetus> Alright, that should give me something
May 01 01:10:32 <g00s> maybe the bignerd book
May 01 01:14:26 <MpeterM> hello guys
May 01 01:14:33 <MpeterM> New here
May 01 01:14:44 <bankai_au> new Here();
May 01 01:15:22 <MpeterM> yea
May 01 01:15:34 <Anthaas> weOnlyTalkInCode(true);
May 01 01:15:58 <MpeterM> Well I guess I'd use some orientation {
May 01 01:16:01 <MpeterM> }
May 01 01:16:12 <Anthaas> Syntax error.
May 01 01:16:19 <bankai_au> landscape
May 01 01:16:22 <Anthaas> Haha
May 01 01:16:24 <Anthaas> Sorry
May 01 01:17:09 <MpeterM> Alright
May 01 01:17:23 <MpeterM> I'm introduced
May 01 01:19:42 <fancyfetus> Damn... Android projects contain a lot of folders...
May 01 01:20:53 <shigeru> hm so applinks.. i thought android could already do this?
May 01 01:22:15 <MpeterM> ->fancyfetus I think the folders are for organisation
May 01 01:37:04 <Mango_Man> anyone in nyc thinking of attending this? http://www.meetup.com/android-developers-nyc/events/179011832/
May 01 01:37:17 <winegoddess> so frustrated with changes made to ADT bundle. Anyone find a way to stop it from creating appcompat_v7 on new projects? its happening for my colleagues and me. some fixed it by not creating activities. not working for all.
May 01 01:37:22 <Mango_Man> eh, can't sign up yet anyway
May 01 01:38:00 <Mango_Man> winegoddess: the solution is to use android studio
May 01 01:38:22 <winegoddess> I will gladly be willing to test it. once it reaches Beta.
May 01 01:38:32 <bankai_au> IJ it up then
May 01 01:39:03 <winegoddess> well, maybe let it go a little bit longer
May 01 01:39:40 <androidnewb> Hi, is there anyway to rotate a videoView? my video is played sideways
May 01 01:39:54 <g00s> AS is good enough atm, just don't jump on a new release without letting the public test it for a few days ;)
May 01 01:40:19 <bankai_au> "good enough"? is that how you approach life, g00s ?
May 01 01:40:31 <g00s> usually the issue would be gradle not building your project, thats a major problem … but gradle is great these days too
May 01 01:41:15 <g00s> bankai_au yes, there are a few classes of people who approach life; "good enough" people are usually happiest, perfectionists usually the most unhappy ;(
May 01 01:41:48 <bankai_au> so i guess you use margarine instead of butter because it's "good enough"? you really surprise me ....
May 01 01:42:03 <g00s> all explained here http://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Unlocking-Mysteries-Psychological-Wealth/dp/1405146613
May 01 01:42:07 <Mango_Man> what about the "i can't believe it's not butter guys"?
May 01 01:42:13 <Mango_Man> *" guys
May 01 01:42:30 <bankai_au> g00s: you know i'm going to buy this book now lol
May 01 01:42:36 <g00s> XD
May 01 01:42:38 <Anthaas> Or those who milk their mothers for dairy goodness....
May 01 01:42:47 <g00s> Diener is classic in that field
May 01 01:43:55 <g00s> i hope they update it though, some new things have come out since 2008
May 01 01:45:26 <g00s> the attitude mostly pertains to certain types of decisions … like when you get married ;)
May 01 01:45:39 <g00s> or finding someone, etc
May 01 01:45:58 <g00s> maybe not your choice of IDE :D
May 01 01:46:57 <bankai_au> g00s: http://www.amazon.com/Makes-Brain-Happy-Should-Opposite/dp/1616144831 this is a good book if you're interested
May 01 01:48:24 <g00s> bankai_au i have that, haven't read it yet though
May 01 01:49:56 <g00s> bankai_au i want to read this next though, i've heard great things about it http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Good-Life-Ancient-Stoic/dp/0195374614
May 01 01:51:09 <g00s> even on HN, of all places
May 01 01:51:27 <g00s> another one recently discussed on HN was Capital, but thats like 700 pages ugh
May 01 01:51:37 <bankai_au> what's HN ?
May 01 01:51:43 <g00s> http://www.amazon.com/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-Piketty/dp/067443000X
May 01 01:51:46 <g00s> Hacker News
May 01 01:52:28 <g00s> and i'm not paying $21 for a kindle book either
May 01 01:52:55 <bankai_au> feel a bit ripped off when the diff between kindle and hardcover is 2 bucks
May 01 01:53:02 <GEEGEEGEE> how do you guys organise large UML diagrams?
May 01 01:53:13 <GEEGEEGEE> im strugling to fit mine on a reasonable number of pages
May 01 01:54:12 <g00s> ugh, i haven't done a UML diagram in a while :)
May 01 01:54:20 <wabz> since uni? :p
May 01 01:54:26 <GEEGEEGEE> its for my dissertation lol
May 01 01:54:39 <g00s> our last employer wanted us to UML diagram all the (legacy) things
May 01 01:54:41 <g00s> idiots
May 01 01:54:58 <Anthaas> GEEGEEGEE: Depends on the UML diagram. Which diagram in particular?
May 01 01:55:04 <g00s> even wanted us to get UML certification, i was so resistant i almost got fired
May 01 01:55:04 <GEEGEEGEE> class diagram
May 01 01:55:25 <g00s> GEEGEEGEE depends on your tool
May 01 01:55:26 <Anthaas> GEEGEEGEE: Class diagrams are a pain, have you packaged classes by feature?
May 01 01:55:31 <wabz> sounds a bit pointy haired
May 01 01:55:43 <g00s> your UML tool should allow you to project a view onto the model
May 01 01:55:53 <g00s> so all the classes may be in there, but you filter on a few
May 01 01:55:54 <GEEGEEGEE> im using Visio and reduced to only the nessecary classes
May 01 01:56:09 <g00s> thats the problem with UML, like all documentation, you have to knwo who is going to read it ...
May 01 01:56:11 <g00s> AND WHY
May 01 01:56:32 <g00s> if you just make a huge shitpile class diagram with everything, it serves nobody
May 01 01:56:49 <Anthaas> ^
May 01 01:56:50 <GEEGEEGEE> yeah
May 01 01:56:51 <g00s> and class diagrams can be auto generated anyhow
May 01 01:57:00 <g00s> the most important ones are sequence diagrams
May 01 01:57:09 <g00s> staecharts can also be reversed in certain situations
May 01 01:57:12 <g00s> (statecharts
May 01 01:57:15 <Anthaas> Borland has a tool called Together, comes as a plug in to Eclipse. You can reverse engineer projects into class diagrams.
May 01 01:57:21 <g00s> and Use Cases are 99% text, 1% diagram so
May 01 01:58:44 <g00s> uh man, i even tried reading the UML metamodel
May 01 01:58:49 <g00s> those guys get so carried away ;)
May 01 02:11:57 <g00s> oh gradle 1.12 is out huh
May 01 02:12:56 <g00s> "Upgraded to Proguard 4.11. Fixed incremental issues." i wish they had a link to a bug tracker entry
May 01 02:13:03 <g00s> what issues :|
May 01 02:13:20 <Anthaas> Gradle...
May 01 02:13:40 <Anthaas> Still don't know what dependancy injection is. I'm going to have to ask someone haha...
May 01 02:14:00 <Anthaas> Or why it would be used...
May 01 02:14:09 <g00s> gradle isn't DI
May 01 02:14:19 <g00s> DI is dagger, spring
May 01 02:14:27 <Anthaas> Its a build system isn't it?
May 01 02:14:34 <g00s> thats dependency management ;)
May 01 02:14:37 <Anthaas> I still dont know why you'd use that either...
May 01 02:14:38 <Anthaas> Oh hahaha
May 01 02:14:41 <Anthaas> I dont have a clue.
May 01 02:15:02 <Anthaas> Just need someone to explain it to me really.
May 01 02:15:07 <Anthaas> Nothing I've found online is much help.
May 01 02:15:15 <g00s> well, bundling .jar in your version control system sucks
May 01 02:15:34 <g00s> if you want a repeatable build, anyhow
May 01 02:16:06 <g00s> of course, there are degrees of repeatability … if you SW is used in a jet fighter, you'll also have to bundle the compilers and OS :)
May 01 02:16:23 <Anthaas> So, all dependency injection is is a runtime addition of libraries that are added to the project?
May 01 02:16:44 <Anthaas> For example, if I use examplelib.jar, rather than adding it to my project, I'd add it to my dependency management system to add it for me at runtime?
May 01 02:17:20 <g00s> these concepts start to blend with osgi + jigsaw
May 01 02:17:27 * g00s not going there
May 01 02:17:34 <Anthaas> ahhh
May 01 02:17:37 <Anthaas> hahaha
May 01 02:17:49 <Anthaas> Just need a basic understanding of when and why really, the how I can work out.
May 01 02:18:34 <Anthaas> I just hear maven and gradle spoken about so often in here, and I've not even used it once.
May 01 02:18:41 <JakeWharton> dependency management is using an address to point to a house rather than including the house
May 01 02:18:47 <JakeWharton> build systems offer so much more than dependency management
May 01 02:19:28 <Anthaas> Ahhh that analogy makes sense. So you can kind of plug projects together without having to physically include them within each other?
May 01 02:19:51 <g00s> wow, so after gradle 1.12 is 2.0
May 01 02:20:15 <barbs> I find AndroidStudio is fairly stable, it's just missing a few features
May 01 02:20:30 <SirLagz> ECLIPSE!!!!
May 01 02:20:31 * SirLagz runs away
May 01 02:20:49 <JakeWharton> Anthaas: yes. and it also means changing and updating dependencies is much easier. you're just changing a string
May 01 02:21:52 <Anthaas> JakeWharton: Oh thats kind of cool - so, for example, in Android when you are using say Google Maps, rather than including the google play services lib as a library, could you include it in your dependency management system?
May 01 02:22:18 <JakeWharton> yes. i updated Google Play Services today and that amounted to changing a '2' to a '3' and then clicking run
May 01 02:23:39 <Anthaas> JakeWharton: Haha! Brilliant! I am definitely going to look into how this is done, seems like it could save a fair amount of time. Thank you for your help explaining, it is really appreciated.
May 01 02:24:10 <Anthaas> If I am looking into dependency management, would it be worth looking up build management at the same time then?
May 01 02:27:02 <JakeWharton> i don't know what you mean about build management
May 01 02:27:28 <Anthaas> Sorry, I dont know the proper term, I mean gradle and whatnot.
May 01 02:27:43 <Anthaas> I'll definitely look into Dagger for DI though, I've heard a lot of people talk about it.
May 01 02:27:56 <JakeWharton> yeah I like Dagger
May 01 02:28:23 <JakeWharton> completely different concept than what we've been talking about though
May 01 02:28:42 <barbs> Anthaas: I'd suggest just looking at dependency management for now, and then read about other features of the gradle system as you need them
May 01 02:29:05 <barbs> just cos there's a fair bit you can do with gradle, but you generally won't need all of it, especially not at first
May 01 02:29:25 <Anthaas> JakeWharton: Oh...we were talking about dependency management, right? I thought that was a feature of any build system? Like gradle?
May 01 02:29:45 <Anthaas> barbs: I think that is probably what I will be doing.
May 01 02:29:47 <JakeWharton> Dagger is dependency injection in an app
May 01 02:30:42 <pfn> dependency injection is not management
May 01 02:31:32 <Anthaas> Sorry for the confusion guys, this is an entirely new concept to me. I really do appreciate the help though. Should any of you be in West Yorkshire or Somerset in the UK at any point I owe you all a drink!
May 01 02:34:13 <barbs> JakeWharton's probably got serious liver damage from all the beer he's received from developers he's helped
May 01 02:34:30 <Anthaas> Haha, but he will have earnt that liver damage and should wear it with pride.
May 01 02:36:53 <Anthaas> I got bored earlier waiting for a meeting, so I implemented Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock in as many languages as I could. I had 45 mins. I managed Java and Prolog.
May 01 02:47:40 <g00s> well, i just tried gradle 1.12 with plugin 0.10, and got Error:Cause: org.gradle.plugins.ide.internal.IdeDependenciesExtractor.extractRepoFileDependencies(Lorg/gradle/api/artifacts/ConfigurationContainer;Ljava/util/Collection;Ljava/util/Collection;ZZ)Ljava/util/List;
May 01 02:48:01 <JakeWharton> AS or CLI?
May 01 02:48:06 <JakeWharton> there's problems in the AS integration
May 01 02:48:12 <g00s> ah, k
May 01 02:48:15 <g00s> thanks
May 01 02:48:36 <pfn> there's 0.10 now? Neat
May 01 02:48:45 <pfn> I'm still on 0.7
May 01 02:49:55 <g00s> yeah, CLI works
May 01 02:50:01 <g00s> pfn a new manifest merger
May 01 02:50:41 <pfn> yeah, probably for that bug I filed
May 01 02:52:19 <pfn> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=58433
May 01 02:52:33 <pfn> hmm, not marked as fixed, guess not
May 01 02:55:19 <teasp00n> is there any way to add an arbitrary fragment to a viewpager without using an adapter? i have two views that are unrelated other than wanting to show them together on the first run (some help and settings)
May 01 02:55:46 <pfn> viewpager requires an adapter
May 01 02:56:26 <teasp00n> ill just have to hack an adapter then....
May 01 02:56:54 <pfn> if you don't want to use the adapter a view flipper is pretty easy
May 01 02:57:10 <pfn> doesn't swipe as nicely, but often good enough
May 01 02:57:18 <Anthaas> And if you give it an animation, it looks pretty good. I think the animation is better than a viewpager.
May 01 02:57:19 <Anthaas> Smoother.
May 01 02:57:33 <pfn> depends on what you're doing
May 01 02:57:46 <pfn> viewpager is good for dragging
May 01 02:58:05 <g00s> pfn i notice often things don't get marked as fixed; might just have to try it again with the new one
May 01 02:58:13 <pfn> viewflipper isn't
May 01 02:58:16 <g00s> especially when the solution is some larger overhaul
May 01 02:58:19 <pfn> possibly
May 01 02:58:39 <pfn> when I get around to updating to 0.10 I'll check it out
May 01 02:59:10 <pfn> right now, I don't want to force users onto build tools 19 yet
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