**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 17 02:59:59 2014
May 17 03:02:27 <viovu> anyone making something interesting?
May 17 03:08:10 <njcomsec> im making a time machine
May 17 03:18:38 <Carbonflux> making a small app that visualizes sound as interference patterns.
May 17 03:19:28 <Carbonflux> I was thinking about making it live wallpaper but its a battery hog
May 17 03:21:05 <njcomsec> sounds cool
May 17 03:22:29 <QubeZ> hello all
May 17 03:24:23 <Carbonflux> I wanted something simple so I could go thru the whole process of realizing an app for the first time, it going to be a free one.
May 17 03:24:39 <Carbonflux> releasing*
May 17 03:24:47 <Carbonflux> hi QubeZ :)
May 17 03:36:03 <QubeZ> hi Carbonflux
May 17 03:36:45 <QubeZ> anyone familiar with the distanceBetween method for Location?  I pass in the results float array but do I need to declare the array size upfront? i.e. float[] results = new float[3]; // like this?
May 17 03:36:57 <QubeZ> or do I need to allow it to grow dynamically then check the size?
May 17 03:39:44 <viovu> just use a geodistance algorithm from the web
May 17 03:40:06 <QubeZ> why not use the built-in method provided?
May 17 03:41:09 <QubeZ> i misread the docs and found better explanation on another site
May 17 03:41:27 <QubeZ> distanceBetween() will result distnace, intial bearing and final bearing if you pass in a 3 element array
May 17 03:41:42 <QubeZ> so I"ll use that, although im going short distances so I only need distance and initial bearing
May 17 03:43:03 <Carbonflux> Heh, I would like to hear the answer for that too
May 17 03:43:49 <Carbonflux> I would use the built in method, at least at first because of portability
May 17 03:44:03 <QubeZ> distanceBetween() source code appears to use a standard formula so it would be dumb for me to implement the same
May 17 03:44:48 <QubeZ> here's what I've done so far... I have my distance between my old and new GPS location every 5-10 secs and bearing.  I'm trying to figure out how to make my AR Drone follow the same path I"m traveling when the AR Drone has no knowledge of GPS.
May 17 03:45:01 <QubeZ> I didn't buy the GPS flight recorder on purpose to make this a nice challenging project
May 17 03:45:33 <Carbonflux> what about the compass
May 17 03:45:34 <Carbonflux> ?
May 17 03:45:38 <QubeZ> I'll need to use my distance and bearing to provide the details of pitch/yaw/roll to the AR Drone so that it travels the same
May 17 03:45:54 <QubeZ> yes it has a compass so I can use that to give it the heading/bearing
May 17 03:46:17 <Carbonflux> so you want it to hover near you and move with you?
May 17 03:46:25 <QubeZ> not sure how to get the same distance though -- I guess I could take how much I've traveled in meters then make sure the AR Drone based on speed and time covers the same amount of ground
May 17 03:46:44 <Carbonflux> thats going to be fuzzy
May 17 03:46:58 <Carbonflux> in a physics problem it would be easy
May 17 03:46:59 <QubeZ> Carbonflux: *nod*.  If I buy the GPS flight recorder which is around $100 I could just pass it the GPS coordinates and call it a day but this might be fun to try out
May 17 03:47:21 <Carbonflux> agreed
May 17 03:47:32 <Carbonflux> besides GPS might have issues anyway
May 17 03:47:49 <Carbonflux> in theory you might be able to use other sources of information also
May 17 03:47:53 <Carbonflux> I think its a fun problem
May 17 03:47:59 <QubeZ> ya definitely
May 17 03:48:23 <QubeZ> so far I have it spinning left when I move Westward and spinning right when I move Eastward
May 17 03:48:25 <Carbonflux> once you get it working you could mount a defensive weapons system on the drone also and market it as a body guard ;)
May 17 03:49:08 <Carbonflux> thats great
May 17 03:49:22 <QubeZ> once I get that piece working, I'll tap into the video feed and deliver that to my Google Glass
May 17 03:49:31 <Carbonflux> I think its going to have to be more of a dynamic update and feedback system than pure math
May 17 03:49:44 <QubeZ> imagine flying it around 100 ft up in the air, following your line of path and you're getting that birds eye view in Glass
May 17 03:49:47 <Carbonflux> haha, thats great
May 17 03:50:00 <Carbonflux> you may have found an actual use for those things ;)
May 17 03:50:09 <QubeZ> lol
May 17 03:51:00 <Carbonflux> to be serious, the applications for this are vast, I think its a very good idea.
May 17 03:51:44 <Carbonflux> one issue is security tho, I have read about people hacking camera drones, one case resulting in a crash and injury when it his an athlete at a sporting event.
May 17 03:52:02 <Carbonflux> hit*
May 17 03:53:20 <QubeZ> ya for long-term thats true...I could only hope to secure it with WPA2 and hope someone doesn't hack it in the 15 minutes the battery lifecycles
May 17 03:54:06 <Carbonflux> I think thats good enough, it seems like most of the drone-smart interfaces are unsecured right now.
May 17 03:54:56 <Carbonflux> In the case I am referring too, someone in the crowd hacked the camera drone using a regular smart photo and was never caught.
May 17 03:55:29 <Carbonflux> phone* sorry, having a bad typing day
May 17 03:55:50 <QubeZ> ok i was like wtf is a smart photo
May 17 03:56:53 <Carbonflux> heh, its my fault for multi-tasking, the eproms in my fingers swap words around.
May 17 03:57:13 <QubeZ> lol
May 17 03:57:15 <QubeZ> np
May 17 03:58:04 <Carbonflux> is a 15min battery life fairly standard for consumer level drones?
May 17 03:58:14 <QubeZ> yes
May 17 03:58:49 <QubeZ> there are some mods I can do to the AR Drone to lower the weight from 330g to around 290g that will increase it to over 25 mins of flight
May 17 03:59:05 <QubeZ> but haven't invested that yet, I've only done simple mods to keep it safe when landing hard
May 17 03:59:20 <viovu> using titAnium
May 17 03:59:38 <QubeZ> truthfully i've had it for a month now and only flew it through the app a few times -- im obsessed with coding for it right now
May 17 04:00:24 <Carbonflux> Its early days yet, but its obviously going to get better, this is a huge market.
May 17 04:00:38 <viovu> try progress a neural network to learn tricks, so that you can just press a button and it will do the trick
May 17 04:00:54 <viovu> like a flip or whatever
May 17 04:01:21 <Carbonflux> That kind of coding is a lot of fun, imo, controlling physical devices.
May 17 04:01:26 <QubeZ> the huge market is sporting events.. drones following athletes filming their extreme events in the mountains for snowboards for example
May 17 04:01:54 <QubeZ> Carbonflux: ya, i'm getting sick of just writing software that runs on smartphones.  I want to use things like phones + Glass to interact with physical devices in a new way.
May 17 04:02:02 <QubeZ> figured this was a good lead into robotics as a hobby
May 17 04:03:04 <viovu> I reckon drones are awesome for drug dealing
May 17 04:03:07 <Carbonflux> I think for other things too, for example working in forests, fire fighting, search and rescue, law enforcement, the military applications are obvious of course. But I actually think this could be very useful in land management and wild-life applications also
May 17 04:03:18 <Carbonflux> that too viovu :)
May 17 04:03:42 <Carbonflux> heh, thats a really good idea actually
May 17 04:03:51 <njcomsec> a search and rescue drone would be useful
May 17 04:03:55 <njcomsec> that can perform first aid
May 17 04:04:02 <Carbonflux> their use in crime in general in fact could be huge.
May 17 04:04:08 <Carbonflux> yup
May 17 04:04:19 <viovu> customer sends GPS location,  dealer sends drone with drugs, customer give drone money, drone gives drugs, drone delivers back the money to dealer
May 17 04:04:44 <QubeZ> lol
May 17 04:05:00 <viovu> drones have shitt battery life and will never improve
May 17 04:05:06 <njcomsec> wait
May 17 04:05:07 <Carbonflux> lol, someone is going to do that
May 17 04:05:18 <njcomsec> the drone also needs weapons to shoot the customer if he dosnt pay the drone
May 17 04:05:23 <viovu> they would need to rest to recharge more than a human walking
May 17 04:05:34 <QubeZ> viovu: thats an interesting comment -- never improve?  You think that people in the 80s thought that of processors?
May 17 04:05:46 <QubeZ> we are always finding ways to improve things
May 17 04:05:56 <QubeZ> even if the battery life itself isn't improved, what about wireless charging?
May 17 04:05:58 <viovu> battery cells don't have the same law as transistors
May 17 04:06:15 <njcomsec> batteries are constantly improving
May 17 04:06:20 <Carbonflux> I think wireless
May 17 04:06:41 <njcomsec> vehicles and aircraft performance are always improving too
May 17 04:06:41 <Carbonflux> at some point room-temp superconducting is going to change all of this
May 17 04:06:50 <viovu> I think the watch battery is still the same size as the 80's and still now it hold the same charge
May 17 04:08:07 <viovu> unless wd get some special resource unknown to man from mars or the moon. don't think batteries will improve much
May 17 04:08:17 <Carbonflux> sounds like we are going to have to resort to Tesla style wireless power
May 17 04:08:49 <viovu> I think the only WYoming to improve is to move away from electricity
May 17 04:09:12 <viovu> use ether or black matter or something
May 17 04:09:13 <njcomsec> you mean to use magic?
May 17 04:09:22 <Carbonflux> the problem is if you make the drone too lite you will need to use more power to stabilize it in the wind etc
May 17 04:09:25 <njcomsec> black matter?
May 17 04:09:44 <Carbonflux> so there is an issue of diminishing returns
May 17 04:09:57 <viovu> theoretic mass
May 17 04:10:07 <njcomsec> you mean antimatter?
May 17 04:10:22 <viovu> I always had this dream of a submarine drone
May 17 04:10:41 <Carbonflux> Heh, ya thats just what we need, anti-matter powered drones flying around ;)
May 17 04:11:13 <viovu> thAt works on solar batteries, a GPS, and smugglers drugs across the ocean, but my engineering friend said it would be viable
May 17 04:11:35 <viovu> wouldn't
May 17 04:12:26 <QubeZ> you can deal drugs locally (on 25 min battery life)
May 17 04:12:48 <njcomsec> no one would smuggle drugs accross the ocean in a drone
May 17 04:12:54 <njcomsec> it doesnt make sense logistically
May 17 04:13:57 <njcomsec> if you are going to transport accross the ocean you are going to want at least a truck full.... much more than a drone can carry
May 17 04:14:55 <viovu> pfft, I don't deal drugs or anything,  but I've been thinking for months now, what would be the best way to deal drugs without getting caught, but then I reAlised its the physical transaction that is the fault, if aerial could remove the physical then it would be impossible to get caught
May 17 04:15:24 <njcomsec> you are more likley to get caught with a drone anyway
May 17 04:15:49 <QubeZ> ya, following the drone back to you -- thats how you get caught dude
May 17 04:16:08 <viovu> just makes me sick that everything is so monitored, our SIM cards, our iP addresses, our GPS locations
May 17 04:16:23 <njcomsec> police will see a drone, think it is some russian spy, every spy agency will be all over it
May 17 04:16:37 <viovu> number plates
May 17 04:16:54 <QubeZ> or you find a way to get a ton of mini-drones that are cheap -- send a swarm, only one of them carries the cash and they split up and only the one with the money comes back to the real location while others self-destruct like mission impossible
May 17 04:17:07 <njcomsec> best way is to train lots of birds
May 17 04:17:26 <viovu> u basically cannot do anything secret
May 17 04:17:28 <QubeZ> viovu: what are your thoughts on the Google Glass privacy issue?
May 17 04:17:28 <njcomsec> birds fly around all the time..... and have been proven to be useful messenger for thousands of years
May 17 04:17:46 <njcomsec> they are fast, relaiable, and no one notices them
May 17 04:17:48 <viovu> now u talking tubes haha
May 17 04:17:55 <QubeZ> I wear mine out a lot, not really a picture taking type of person, I use it purely for coding and testing my code but I have yet to have someone confront me in a hostile manner.
May 17 04:18:12 <viovu> but those homing birds only have one dropoff point
May 17 04:18:20 <viovu> and home point
May 17 04:18:40 <njcomsec> thats all you need
May 17 04:18:54 <QubeZ> this is so off topic lol
May 17 04:19:04 <Carbonflux> lol good point
May 17 04:19:13 <QubeZ> im glad my android location dilemma -> drone -> drug dealing
May 17 04:19:21 <Carbonflux> its a very funny conversation tho
May 17 04:19:25 <njcomsec> lol
May 17 04:19:25 <viovu> hmmmm, maybe, unless the feds learn ur dropoff point and follow the bird back with a drone
May 17 04:19:27 <QubeZ> im enjoying it
May 17 04:19:52 <QubeZ> what you need is a drone that flies like a bird -- I saw it on a Ted Talk
May 17 04:20:03 <QubeZ> then you control it fully while it blends in with other birds
May 17 04:20:06 <viovu> I saw that on Ted
May 17 04:20:16 <viovu> big robot bird
May 17 04:20:51 <viovu> I had all the Ted talks on my terabyte,  but took like 128 gig so I deleted it
May 17 04:21:02 <QubeZ> maybe other birds wont like to hang out with it because it doesnt smell like a bird but at least it 1) wont compete for mates and 2) wont compete for food -- thus I think other birds might like it and welcome it into their collective.
May 17 04:21:03 <viovu> they just tAlk crOp on there anyhow
May 17 04:21:15 <QubeZ> you leave it in their collective for awhile training it in the ways of the birds
May 17 04:21:19 <QubeZ> then you start selling drugs
May 17 04:21:47 <viovu> neural network adaption mechanism
May 17 04:22:26 <viovu> hey, please don't use the term drugs, I only take mushrooms :)
May 17 04:22:51 <QubeZ> I dont do drugs anymore but I couldn't imagine selling them
May 17 04:23:32 <QubeZ> I can imagine that drug dealers are very sophisticated these days and have figured out a way to get some developers involved if they were going to use robots to handle transactions
May 17 04:23:42 <viovu> but then again if it's not competing for anything,  at wich point does it become a scarecrow?
May 17 04:25:10 <viovu> I actually know a few drug dealers and they basically told me they have never been caught and they basically get calls all day and deliver. maybe the police don't really care that much, they just pretend to
May 17 04:25:43 <Carbonflux> well, we legalized pot here, that should help a bit
May 17 04:25:44 <viovu> anyhow enough on that topic
May 17 04:25:48 <Carbonflux> :)
May 17 04:26:04 <QubeZ> viovu: law enforcement is focusing their resources on catching the distributors
May 17 04:26:13 <viovu> what 're you guys developing these days?
May 17 04:26:30 <QubeZ> its like bootleg movies, doesn't make sense to go after each and every tom dick and harry
May 17 04:26:49 <Carbonflux> QubeZ, I really do hope you market this app you are working on a some point, I think you could make money on it, or just sell the technology.
May 17 04:27:21 <viovu> qubeZ, WHAT APP are you working on?
May 17 04:27:29 <Carbonflux> heh
May 17 04:27:32 <viovu> sorry phone keyboard
May 17 04:27:41 <QubeZ> well I doube this little project will amount to much -- I'm sure people much smart than me have already begun long ago and progressed much further.
May 17 04:27:54 <QubeZ> viovu: here's what I'm doing...
May 17 04:28:26 <Carbonflux> ah, but you have not done it, don't get fooled by that narrative :)
May 17 04:29:03 <QubeZ> AR Drone has WiFi and acts as an AP (this is default behavior).  My Google Glass connects to it and so does my phone.  Phone gets GPS coordinates (my location) and as I move, takes 5 - 10 sec samples I calculate distance and bearing to send to the AR Drone (it has no GPS capability right now).
May 17 04:29:26 <QubeZ> then video from the AR Drone flying 100ft up feeds to my glass so I get aerial view to my Glass
May 17 04:29:57 <viovu> why?
May 17 04:30:04 <QubeZ> for fun?
May 17 04:31:02 <viovu> how about you do all that, except he flys behind you, and carries your coffee?
May 17 04:31:21 <QubeZ> now you're mocking me
May 17 04:31:30 <QubeZ> well its just a fun little project to play and learn :)
May 17 04:31:39 <viovu> nah I'd do that
May 17 04:33:15 <viovu> ha I got an idea. an escape drone, so if your in the street with drugs....cops comMing from all direction, you just give the drugs to the drone and he escapes with it,
May 17 04:33:32 <viovu> escape goat
May 17 04:33:49 <viovu> or a drone that herds sheep
May 17 04:36:02 <viovu> does the drone have proximity sensors?
May 17 04:36:12 <desmin88> Foolishly didnt
May 17 04:36:14 <desmin88> woops
May 17 04:36:44 <desmin88> Foolishly didn't have offsite backups for my app and now im reconstructing it from a decompiled apk :(
May 17 04:36:51 <QubeZ> viovu: it has ultrasonic sensors and pressure sensors for altitude detection, magenetometer
May 17 04:37:07 <Mango_Man> desmin88: that sucks, no version control?
May 17 04:37:22 <desmin88> not offsite version control
May 17 04:37:42 <viovu> sounds like an expensive drone
May 17 04:37:54 <QubeZ> $300, not too bad
May 17 04:38:02 <QubeZ> good entry level for me to play with
May 17 04:38:08 <QubeZ> Parrot AR Drone 2.0
May 17 04:38:22 <viovu> those 4 fanned drones?
May 17 04:38:30 <QubeZ> yes, quadcopter
May 17 04:39:26 <viovu> u say 20 min battery power?
May 17 04:39:48 <QubeZ> about 15min out of the box but you can mod it to lower weight to get it to around 25 min
May 17 04:39:58 <QubeZ> but its not a big deal because I have 3 batteries
May 17 04:41:12 <viovu> and it has GPS?
May 17 04:41:31 <QubeZ> there is a $100 USB add-on that gies it GPS flight recorder features but I didn't buy it
May 17 04:41:44 <QubeZ> I could easily get that then solve my dilemma but I want to try and tackle this problem and learn
May 17 04:42:11 <viovu> good luck
May 17 04:43:18 <QubeZ> thank you
May 17 04:43:57 <viovu> have looked at other people's coding project for the same drone?
May 17 04:44:13 <viovu> like on github or SourceForge
May 17 04:44:21 <QubeZ> yup lots over the last month
May 17 04:44:51 <viovu> and what was rhetoric coolest thing you saw?
May 17 04:45:01 <QubeZ> most people do 'follow me' using OpenCV and some image detection on their shirt or something like that but I want follow me from greater distance without camera line of sight
May 17 04:46:11 <QubeZ> there was a project from I believe Univ of Munich which I think published the drone-autonomy module for Node.js -- it does some autonomous stuff like self correcting after the drone is pushed to some extreme circumstances
May 17 04:46:54 <viovu> seems very hobbiful to me
May 17 04:47:01 <QubeZ> another cool project I saw was panaroma where the drone would fly to a height of around 200ft, spin slowly 360 degrees taking pictures and then land again
May 17 04:47:18 <viovu> I would also do everything with opencv
May 17 04:47:19 <QubeZ> so you could sitch the pics together
May 17 04:47:36 <viovu> I like the panorama idea
May 17 04:49:05 <QubeZ> Android + Drone .. feels natural to me
May 17 04:49:15 <QubeZ> very cool potential
May 17 04:49:40 <viovu> still think it's very camera based
May 17 04:49:52 <QubeZ> what is very camera based?
May 17 04:50:56 <viovu> it would be cool if you could get exactly how much it moved in degrees
May 17 04:51:18 <viovu> as in a house
May 17 04:51:42 <viovu> teach it to learn rooms and navigate and get out of people's way
May 17 04:52:19 <QubeZ> ya that would be neat... i may go indoors after I've had fun outdoors :)
May 17 04:52:48 <QubeZ> there was some project about taking multiple drones that learn from each other and search an empty building in an optimal way (no room is searched twice)
May 17 04:55:14 <viovu> how about a drone that detects people on the street and begs them for money
May 17 05:01:51 <desmin88> I took a break from android dev for while
May 17 05:02:18 <desmin88> And im wondering if its been made so you can have subfolders in /res
May 17 05:02:28 <viovu> android dev is over crowded
May 17 05:03:21 <viovu> they should format Google play
May 17 05:27:26 <emotionull> hello
May 17 05:28:59 <emotionull> is there any standard way to upload image to server? I found numerous ways on the internet, tried a few..all work pretty well..
May 17 05:29:47 <emotionull> standard as in...recommended by android devs?
May 17 05:43:57 <desmin88> probably with volley
May 17 05:44:33 <emotionull> base64 is not good for large files and unreliable connections, right?
May 17 05:45:36 <desmin88> uhh
May 17 05:45:45 <Mango_Man> hmm, so i have compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+' in my build.gradle, but appcompat isn't appearing under External Libraries in Android Studio
May 17 05:45:49 <Mango_Man> anyone else run into this problem?
May 17 05:46:40 <desmin88> emotionull: i mean base64 is just a representation of data so
May 17 05:47:56 <emotionull> desmin88: ya...but it increases the size by 37%...and I guess it is not suited for unreliable connection..compared to multipart
May 17 05:48:13 <emotionull> *almost 37%
May 17 05:49:09 <emotionull> Mango_Man: Yup...just checked..same case as urs...but app is working perfectly
May 17 05:49:15 <desmin88> use a compressed format then
May 17 05:50:07 <Mango_Man> could be that i'm missing a download in the sdk manager
May 17 05:50:24 <desmin88> are there any build errors?
May 17 05:51:12 <Mango_Man> yep: No resource found that matches the given name '@android:style/Theme.AppCompat'.
May 17 05:51:52 <desmin88> appcompat isnt @android
May 17 05:51:58 <desmin88> so of course you get a build error
May 17 05:52:09 <Mango_Man> really? darn
May 17 05:52:45 <desmin88> common problem
May 17 05:53:09 <Mango_Man> thanks a bunch desmin88
May 17 05:53:14 <desmin88> np
May 17 05:53:22 <Mango_Man> also, sleep deprivation is bad
May 17 05:54:23 <emotionull> any irc room for android noobs ??
May 17 05:54:26 <emotionull> :P
May 17 05:54:42 <desmin88> sadly this is the only one
May 17 05:54:46 <emotionull> :9
May 17 05:54:48 <emotionull> :(
May 17 05:55:41 <emotionull> I feel so tiny in front of members like JakeWharton in this room...I hv to think 100 times b4 asking / answering anything
May 17 05:56:23 <desmin88> we all start somewhere
May 17 05:56:35 <Mango_Man> maybe you need to null your emotions
May 17 05:56:44 <Mango_Man> :D
May 17 05:56:48 <emotionull> yeah
May 17 05:57:02 <emotionull> :D
May 17 05:58:03 <Leeds> trust me, there's a lot more noobs than experts in here
May 17 05:58:35 <desmin88> oh how true that is
May 17 06:36:08 <desmin88> ahh just figured out how to have sub folders in res/xxx/
May 17 06:40:12 <napster> Hey Guys, I’m planning build a betting app for mobile games which have Leaderboard integration. My question is that, can I use leaderboard API for sharing scores with other people? What I’m trying to achieve is, trying to find out if Google Leaderboard can be used as a trusted source for doing a bet between two gamers.
May 17 06:44:07 <desmin88> look who it is
May 17 07:11:58 <Trekka12> Hey guys, if Ive uploaded an app onto Google Play and wish to replace first upload with a new one without keeping first one as version 1, how can I?
May 17 07:12:04 <danijoo> why are motorolas such a pain <.<
May 17 07:12:20 <danijoo> Trekka12: simple answer: you cant
May 17 07:12:48 <danijoo> the version id if for andriod to determine if the new apk is a newer one or not.
May 17 07:13:07 <danijoo> but you can still name version 2 "version 1"
May 17 07:13:26 <danijoo> but to upload a new apk, the versioncode must always be higher then the old
May 17 07:15:01 <slani> can someone suggest good html parser
May 17 07:15:22 <Trekka12> Soo, you mean that the old one cannot get ridden off from google play store?
May 17 07:15:36 <Trekka12> or does the new one replace the old one completely if I keep the version 1 name?
May 17 07:16:08 <danijoo> the version name is saying nothing
May 17 07:16:18 <danijoo> only thing that matters is version code, and this must increment
May 17 07:16:36 <Trekka12> but if version name is still 1.0, but version code is 2 instead of 1, will the version code 1 version still be available for people to access via google play?
May 17 07:16:40 <Trekka12> cuz I dont want that
May 17 07:16:52 <danijoo> you can name your apk with versioncode 1 "version  999" and upload a versioncode 2 with name "version 1" and it still works
May 17 07:17:20 <danijoo> as soon as you upload a new version, the old wont be shipped anymore
May 17 07:17:25 <Trekka12> meaning?
May 17 07:17:26 <danijoo> and users get an update notification
May 17 07:17:28 <Trekka12> wont be accessible?
May 17 07:17:42 <danijoo> yeah. if you download from google play, you cant choose
May 17 07:17:46 <danijoo> you always get the newest
May 17 07:17:47 <Trekka12> ah nice
May 17 07:17:51 <Trekka12> neat feature
May 17 07:17:53 <Trekka12> likey likey
May 17 07:17:56 <Trekka12> thanks man
May 17 07:17:57 <Trekka12> ill try it
May 17 07:18:00 <danijoo> yw
May 17 07:18:24 <danijoo> although it usually takes about 1 h for google to commit the changes after your upload
May 17 07:18:51 <Trekka12> no probs
May 17 07:18:57 <Trekka12> I doubt any1 is downloading my app right now
May 17 07:19:28 <Trekka12> commited changes of content mostly - since I kinda screwed up and marketed my own firm a lot on the companys app which I developed... which I realize now was totally wrong and unprofessional :/
May 17 07:19:35 <Trekka12> So had to correct, and get rid off old one
May 17 07:19:39 <Trekka12> rookie mistakes you know ;P
May 17 07:21:49 <danijoo> i think theres nobody in this channel that didnt messed up a google play store upload once :p
May 17 07:22:29 <Trekka12> hehe xD
May 17 07:22:34 <Trekka12> comforting to hear my friend
May 17 07:22:35 <Trekka12> ^^
May 17 07:22:44 <Trekka12> knowing im not the only one
May 17 07:22:47 <Trekka12> ;p
May 17 07:22:55 <Trekka12> seems to have worked tho, thx for help :)
May 17 07:23:12 <danijoo> I once refractored parts on an app and uploaded it to google (50k users)..
May 17 07:23:34 <Trekka12> ?
May 17 07:23:37 <Trekka12> how u mean?
May 17 07:23:42 <Trekka12> what did the refactoring do then?
May 17 07:23:55 <danijoo> 5 hours later I realized I included a bug letting all devices under api 15 crash
May 17 07:24:03 <Trekka12> ahh
May 17 07:24:04 <Trekka12> ;/
May 17 07:24:04 <danijoo> at startup
May 17 07:24:06 <Trekka12> damn
May 17 07:24:56 <Trekka12> the lesson u take from something like that tho... knowing the bug for next time u develop, it might be useful to have such knowledge for future app devs
May 17 07:25:04 <Trekka12> but still, lame that it happens at all
May 17 07:25:15 <danijoo> good advice in such a case: dont look at reviews the next few days after such a mistake :D
May 17 07:25:21 <Trekka12> xD
May 17 07:26:57 <Trekka12> how come my linebreaks only go to next row when doing 2 linebreaks in row on google play store description text content editor?
May 17 07:27:14 <Trekka12> I want airier between the paragraphs, dont seem to be getting any tho
May 17 07:32:33 <danijoo> you mean the description in store listing?
May 17 07:33:05 <Trekka12> mhm
May 17 07:33:20 <Trekka12> if i write a 2 paragraph text the air between paragraph 1 and 2 is slim
May 17 07:33:26 <Trekka12> even tho i used two linebreaks in a row
May 17 07:33:36 <autrilla> Napalm, bad news, the guys at #mysql say it's impossible to do that with triggera
May 17 07:33:38 <autrilla> triggers*
May 17 07:34:08 <danijoo> autrilla: cant you do it in yout java code?
May 17 07:34:17 <autrilla> danijoo, yes
May 17 07:36:25 <danijoo> Trekka12: works fine for me with normal formatting..
May 17 07:46:55 <danijoo> what the heck. Running Google play services on a 2.3 device witchout google play services installed throws a "Could not find method android.app.Activity.getFragmentManager" when trying to check if play services is installed
May 17 07:47:11 <danijoo> well played google
May 17 07:51:07 <autrilla> Is there an infinite loop that I can't see here?
May 17 07:51:19 <autrilla> http://pastebin.com/2eQxCQWw
May 17 07:52:23 <danijoo> yes
May 17 07:52:42 <danijoo> you say "as long as cursor is NOT after last, do the stuff"
May 17 07:53:01 <danijoo> what you want is while(!cursor.isLast())
May 17 07:53:13 <danijoo> not isAfterLast()
May 17 07:54:50 <autrilla> danijoo, hmm.. there's still an infinite loop somewhere in my app
May 17 07:55:53 <autrilla> danijoo, because that doesn't fix the infinite loop
May 17 07:56:09 <autrilla> isAfterLast works fine
May 17 07:57:11 <napster> Trekka12: You probably have to remove the app first.
May 17 07:57:20 <danijoo> try to determine where the loop is
May 17 07:59:04 <autrilla> danijoo, it's in the while loop, whether I use isAfterLast or isLast
May 17 08:00:02 <danijoo> try this approach: while(cursor.moveToNext()) { // do your stuff }
May 17 08:00:50 <danijoo> moveToNext will return false when the end of the cursor is reached
May 17 08:01:21 <napster> Hey Guys, I’m planning build a betting app for mobile games which have Leaderboard integration. My question is that, can I use leaderboard API for sharing scores with other people? What I’m trying to achieve is, trying to find out if Google Leaderboard can be used as a trusted source for doing a bet between two gamers.
May 17 08:01:50 <autrilla> danijoo, same deal
May 17 08:01:57 <autrilla> It might be an error with the query
May 17 08:02:28 <danijoo> you are sure the error isnt after the cursor?
May 17 08:02:34 <danijoo> in the for loop?
May 17 08:03:17 <danijoo> well shouldnt. so maybe its your query then
May 17 08:03:21 <autrilla> I am sure it is before the for loop
May 17 08:04:10 <autrilla> It is in the while loop
May 17 08:17:28 <WantToCode> Hi, How do I check if a textView is visible in a fragment (not View.VISIBLE flag but I can see it on screen). I have checked many questions on SO like this http://stackoverflow.com/q/4628800/3488870 but doesnt help.
May 17 08:17:35 <WantToCode> For eg: In the detail Fragment, I want to check whether the textview containing the article is shown or not. Like here it is shown http://puu.sh/8Pwsk.png, http://puu.sh/8PwyX.png , while here it isnt http://puu.sh/8PwtC.png ..
May 17 08:17:43 <WantToCode> The fragment contains FrameLayout with ScrollView in the back and "Scroll To Read" textview in front. http://pastebin.com/vECSDbL6
May 17 08:18:56 <WantToCode> I would like to display "Scroll To Read" only if the article is not visible on screen.
May 17 08:24:16 <autrilla> I seriously don't understand why the cursor doesn't move to the next item
May 17 08:25:33 <danijoo> have you changed the code?
May 17 08:26:10 <autrilla> Not a lot
May 17 08:26:30 <Zaknefain> hey there!
May 17 08:26:33 <autrilla> I'm logging this now:
May 17 08:26:34 <autrilla> Log.d(getClass().getName(), shoppingList.getName() + " " + shoppingList.getPosition() + " " + cursor.moveToNext());
May 17 08:26:34 <danijoo> I use while(cursor.moveToNext()) and it works.
May 17 08:28:16 <Zaknefain> is there anybody who could help me showing a Map in an application? I got the "failed to find style 'mapViewStyle' in current theme" error and my app crashes everytime i want to the maps screen
May 17 08:33:04 <autrilla> http://pastebin.com/qAigKQtM still infinite loop
May 17 08:36:11 * autrilla facepalms
May 17 08:36:18 <danijoo> and you are sure it isnt in one of your other methods ike upadte() ?
May 17 08:36:31 * autrilla was calling cursor.moveToFirst() on cursorToShoppingList
May 17 08:36:45 <danijoo> ... ^^
May 17 08:37:34 <WantToCode> danijoo: autrilla If you have time can you please solve my problem, please?
May 17 08:38:03 <danijoo> i cant
May 17 08:38:20 <autrilla> I don't know the answer, if I knew, I would have answered
May 17 08:38:25 <danijoo> same
May 17 08:38:28 <WantToCode> hmm Ok. Thanks. :(
May 17 09:16:47 <dominuskernel> hello everybody
May 17 09:17:08 <dominuskernel> I have this test program for Android : http://pastebin.geany.org/PxMGS/, http://pastebin.geany.org/CzCuC/, http://pastebin.geany.org/Megi1/ , http://pastebin.geany.org/2sSj7/ . When I write the address web and click on the button in the main layout, the program is finished and it doesn't go to another layout to show the website.
May 17 09:17:58 <dominuskernel> this is android kikat in eclipse kepler
May 17 09:18:37 <dominuskernel> eclipse 4.3.1
May 17 09:20:15 <danijoo> you mean nothing happens on button click or the app closes?
May 17 09:20:40 <dominuskernel> the app closes
May 17 09:20:48 <danijoo> with or without an error/stacktrace?
May 17 09:21:59 <dominuskernel> but the error is only that the app had to close but It doesn't show me why
May 17 09:22:51 <danijoo> nothing in logcat>
May 17 09:22:53 <danijoo> ?
May 17 09:24:03 <dominuskernel> just a moment please that I see it because I'm noob in android
May 17 09:24:11 <danijoo> ok
May 17 09:28:01 <danijoo> dominuskernel: I think I found your problem
May 17 09:28:15 <dominuskernel> this is the message in logcat http://pastebin.geany.org/ONrUj/
May 17 09:29:01 <dominuskernel> but I don't understand very well it
May 17 09:29:14 <danijoo>  Caused by: android.content.ActivityNotFoundException: Unable to find explicit activity class {com.example.proyecto010/com.example.proyecto010.OpenWeb}; have you declared this activity in your AndroidManifest.xml?
May 17 09:29:26 <danijoo> have you declared openWeb in your manifest file?
May 17 09:29:50 <dominuskernel> I see that now
May 17 09:29:53 <danijoo> :)
May 17 09:30:00 <danijoo> you must add every new activity to it
May 17 09:30:26 <danijoo> like this: <activity android:name="com.example.proyecto010.OpenWeb" />
May 17 09:31:16 <dominuskernel> lol I'm idiot :)
May 17 09:31:27 <dominuskernel> i forgot that
May 17 09:31:31 <dominuskernel> sorry
May 17 09:31:34 <danijoo> also. for your OpenWeb activity, you have setContentView(R.layout.opeweb); while the file is named OpenWeb (if the title is the filename)
May 17 09:31:48 <danijoo> looks like a typo ;)
May 17 09:32:01 <dominuskernel> danijoo now it run
May 17 09:32:06 <danijoo> :)
May 17 09:32:08 <dominuskernel> thank you very much
May 17 09:32:12 <danijoo> you are welcome
May 17 09:32:37 <dominuskernel> sometime my brain is idiot :)
May 17 09:35:26 <dominuskernel> danijoo now I have learn in see it when I have an error of this type
May 17 09:41:01 <mathis98> ok ive created an sqlite database in an app on a device, whats the easiest way to get the database off so I can bundle it as a default database
May 17 10:01:12 <danijoo> mathis98: you have to include the database into your app as an asset and on first start you must copy it to the data folde
May 17 10:01:13 <danijoo> r
May 17 10:09:42 <WantToCode> Is there a callback mechanism for Picasso? Like `do something` after image has fully loaded?
May 17 10:09:51 <JakeWharton> second argument to .inteo
May 17 10:09:53 <JakeWharton> .into
May 17 10:11:12 <WantToCode> Thanks JakeWharton
May 17 10:12:33 <Zaknefain> anybody got any experience in coding a maps application in android?
May 17 10:22:16 <Trekka12> define maps application Zaknefain
May 17 10:22:28 <Trekka12> using Google Maps API within an application?
May 17 10:22:33 <Zaknefain> yes
May 17 10:22:43 <Trekka12> yes just finished app using that yday
May 17 10:22:46 <Trekka12> what u wonder?
May 17 10:23:23 <Zaknefain>  I got the "failed to find style 'mapViewStyle' in current theme" error and my app crashes everytime i want to the maps screen
May 17 10:23:47 <Trekka12> okay
May 17 10:24:06 <Trekka12> failed to find mapViewStyle usually means spelling error or un-existent style
May 17 10:24:07 <Zaknefain> but i just discovered that I have to have a api key
May 17 10:24:11 <Trekka12> yes
May 17 10:24:16 <Trekka12> debug key if u test the app
May 17 10:24:20 <Trekka12> release key if u publish the app
May 17 10:24:44 <Trekka12> debug key can be found in eclipse in Window > Preferences > Android > Build > Debug or something like that
May 17 10:24:55 <Zaknefain> hmm I am on a mac and a bit of an beginner to this whole android codin stuff
May 17 10:25:01 <Trekka12> ok
May 17 10:25:04 <Zaknefain> where do I get such keys
May 17 10:25:07 <Trekka12> I am windows, no idea about Macs
May 17 10:25:13 <Trekka12> u code in eclipse?
May 17 10:25:19 <Trekka12> debug key is fairly simple to find there¨
May 17 10:25:30 <Trekka12> release key is only required once you decide to publish ur application
May 17 10:25:43 <Trekka12> key must also be assigned to your application projects Android Manifest.xml file
May 17 10:26:12 <Zaknefain> jep i'm using eclipse
May 17 10:26:18 <Trekka12> ok
May 17 10:26:19 <Trekka12> go Window
May 17 10:26:21 <Trekka12> Preferences
May 17 10:26:26 <Trekka12> then Android, Build
May 17 10:26:31 <Trekka12> and u should find a SHA1 key
May 17 10:26:35 <Trekka12> under debug
May 17 10:27:02 <Trekka12> then you go to google console on the web, make a new project for your maps api, and enter that SHA1 key
May 17 10:27:08 <Trekka12> a api key will be generated
May 17 10:27:11 <Trekka12> an api key**
May 17 10:27:23 <Trekka12> then a simple matter of copy-paste it into the manifest.xml file
May 17 10:28:04 <Zaknefain> I got the SHA1 fingerprint
May 17 10:28:14 <Trekka12> yes
May 17 10:28:18 <Trekka12> go to google console on web
May 17 10:28:43 <WantToCode> JakeWharton: you have also suggested using Target (wiith strong reference) at many places. Is it a better method than simply using .into(view, new Callback() {...})?
May 17 10:28:44 <Zaknefain> jep
May 17 10:28:50 <JakeWharton> no
May 17 10:28:55 <JakeWharton> worse
May 17 10:29:02 <JakeWharton> well it depends on what you're doing
May 17 10:29:16 <JakeWharton> when people try to use Target they're usually wrong
May 17 10:29:33 <Trekka12> Zaknefain, then u go create a new project in upper left corner of the google console interface, if not alrdy done this
May 17 10:30:02 <Trekka12> then name project, and scroll down until u find the maps api v2
May 17 10:30:08 <Trekka12> enable it (on)
May 17 10:30:09 <WantToCode> JakeWharton: Um, I was just looking at the issues page on Github. I am just adding image from a url string to ImageView. I would just like to measure the height of the imageview after the image is loaded.
May 17 10:30:19 <Trekka12> then goto api access
May 17 10:30:28 <Trekka12> press create new android key
May 17 10:30:30 <JakeWharton> WantToCode: yep. use the two-argument .into method with the callbac
May 17 10:30:31 <Zaknefain> Trekka12: And then which is the right API there are so many
May 17 10:30:32 <JakeWharton> k
May 17 10:30:37 <Trekka12> paste ur fingerprint (SHA1)
May 17 10:30:46 <WantToCode> JakeWharton: ok THanks
May 17 10:31:11 <Trekka12> dont forget to attach a semi-colon with ur app projects package name after the SHA1 key
May 17 10:31:14 <Trekka12> Very Important!
May 17 10:31:27 <Trekka12> then an API key will be generated for u to copy
May 17 10:31:31 <Trekka12> ok Zaknefain?
May 17 10:31:57 <Zaknefain> Trekka12: I search for the Auth Ribbon
May 17 10:33:15 <Trekka12> ?
May 17 10:33:20 <Trekka12> I dont know what that is
May 17 10:48:56 <Zaknefain> http://imgur.com/qD5jKZ2
May 17 10:49:09 <Zaknefain> anybody got an idea what i should do?
May 17 10:50:35 <emotionull> Maybe compile it and see if it works fine
May 17 10:51:34 <Zaknefain> Unfotunatelly it does not
May 17 10:51:40 <autrilla> Would you use https://github.com/alter-ego/drag-sort-listview for a reorderable listview or something else?
May 17 11:28:07 <WantToCode> JakeWharton: How can I check for the imageview's height in the call back after the image is loaded? getHeight, getTop, getBottom on the imageView, all are retruning 0.
May 17 11:37:43 <WantToCode> I just want to display a small text when the image is too large than the screen.
May 17 11:45:32 <shvelo> wow the glorious JakeWharton himself!
May 17 11:47:13 <emotionull> Tony Stark of Android Community :P
May 17 11:48:09 <r3s> Hi, I have a string to a file of the form file:///storage/sdcard/1400326658493.jpg obtained dynamically and I am trying to add this to an image view, but I don't know how I can convert it to a uri so that I can put it in to an imageview using getBitmap
May 17 11:48:18 <r3s> Can someone guide me how to achieve this
May 17 11:50:38 <emotionull> uri.getPath
May 17 11:50:56 <r3s> Just do that on tmy string?
May 17 11:50:59 <r3s> my*
May 17 11:51:31 <r3s> there's no getPath method
May 17 11:52:25 <emotionull> how r u getting that file path?
May 17 11:53:37 <emotionull> tried this?     File file = new  File(path);
May 17 11:53:52 <emotionull> Bitmap bmp = BitmapFactory.decodeFile(file.getAbsolutePath());
May 17 11:54:08 <emotionull> myImage.setImageBitmap(bmp);
May 17 11:54:49 <emotionull> I think u ll hv 2 romove that file:// from the path first
May 17 12:16:40 <autrilla> Would you use https://github.com/alter-ego/drag-sort-listview for a reorderable listview or something else?
May 17 12:22:31 <CTCB> I'm just getting in to Android Development, and I have a question: Once I am ready to release my devices on more than one device, is there a way to target multiple phone / tablet screens and ratios in one app?
May 17 12:23:05 <autrilla> Yes
May 17 12:23:22 <autrilla> Read the supporting multiple screens article on d.android.com
May 17 12:23:26 <puckipedia> usually, it just scales the GUI
May 17 12:23:56 <puckipedia> you don't have to define all ratios
May 17 12:25:16 <CTCB> Right now, I don't need to worry too much about multiple screen sizes, because I'm just targeting the Amazon Kindle Fire Series, because: 1.) It's free to apply for the Amazon App Store, no $25 Fee. 2.) I have an Amazon Kindle Fire HDX 8.9",  so I have a hard device to test my game on. 3.) Because cats.
May 17 12:25:36 <danijoo> autrilla: why not
May 17 12:29:24 <CTCB> I think the $25 Application Fee for the Google Play Store is a little bit stupid. I mean yeah, iOS charging $99 a year and Steam charging a one off Fee of $100 is fine, because they are closed source programs / environments.
May 17 12:29:43 <CTCB> Whereas Android has always been Open Source.
May 17 12:30:34 <puckipedia> it's to stop spam
May 17 12:31:14 <CTCB> Yeah, I understand that, but it's also a little stupid.
May 17 12:31:34 <CTCB> Why can't an App go through a Review Process instead of that Fee.
May 17 12:31:37 <puckipedia> well, there's no reviewing before the app goes into the app store
May 17 12:31:52 <puckipedia> It saves employees!
May 17 12:32:20 <puckipedia> Also, there's some apps which only run in combination with another app, and require root, a Nexus 5, etc
May 17 12:32:44 <puckipedia> There's no way Google has every phone ever made
May 17 12:34:47 <SimonVT> Google services are closed source programs / environments
May 17 12:42:38 <Mavrik> gah
May 17 12:42:53 <Mavrik> anyone have an idea of how to create those small overflow menus on cards?
May 17 12:43:29 <SimonVT> Just overlay and imageview on the layout
May 17 12:43:30 <autrilla> Mavrik, pic?
May 17 12:43:40 <autrilla> Ah, I know what you mean
May 17 12:43:46 <autrilla> I made a cutom View for that
May 17 12:43:51 <Mavrik> SimonVT, mmmm, figured
May 17 12:43:56 <Mavrik> *grumbl*
May 17 12:44:11 <autrilla> I "copied" other overflow menus
May 17 12:45:29 <SimonVT> Mavrik: It's just wrapping your existing layout in a framelayout and putting the imageview in it
May 17 12:45:55 <Mavrik> yeah, that's not such an issue
May 17 12:46:18 <Mavrik> I was just overly optimistic
May 17 12:46:31 <Mavrik> hoping Google actually managed to add an API for that rather common pattern :P
May 17 12:48:58 <autrilla> Is the card API public? From here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+KirillGrouchnikov/posts/7DgbBnxDL4q
May 17 12:49:09 <autrilla> I doubt it, but..
May 17 12:49:12 <SimonVT> I made an imageview subclass that handles the popupmenu, etc, I can just drop in and add actions to
May 17 12:50:43 <Mavrik> autrilla, no, there's no card API
May 17 12:50:48 <Mavrik> it's just a 9patch anyway
May 17 12:51:01 <autrilla> Or a simple drawable
May 17 12:51:10 <autrilla> Mavrik, but some of the stuff they use for Google Play would be useful
May 17 12:51:27 <Mavrik> yeah
May 17 12:51:31 <autrilla> For example, card overflow
May 17 12:51:34 <autrilla> :P
May 17 13:17:46 <NGabi> Hello! Can please someone tell me how can I add  library project to another android project. I keep trying an d it does not work.
May 17 13:22:25 <NGabi> Bonjour! S'il vous plaît quelqu'un  peut me dire comment puis-je ajouter projet de bibliothèque à un autre projet Android. Je continue d'essayer mais il ne fonctionne pas.
May 17 14:21:40 <zzxx> hello, are there any tutorials out there that teach how to implement my *own* push notification service? When I search, everything comes up as either google cloud messaging, or links to other web services that do the work for you. I am interested to learn how push notifications work behind the scenes though.
May 17 14:23:53 <Leeds> zzxx: it's one of those things... if you need to ask a question like that, you don't know enough to be able to do it properly anyway
May 17 14:25:21 <zzxx> While I appreciate your concern, perhaps you could point me in the right direction so that I can start to learn
May 17 14:26:33 <Leeds> d.android.com
May 17 14:27:05 <zzxx> dude, youre making some pretty big assumptions about my level of competency.
May 17 14:27:23 <Leeds> yes, I am, based on your asking for a tutorial on how to create a complex network service
May 17 14:33:04 <zzxx> Was my use of the word "tutorial" offputting? I realize that it is not a trivial task to implement such a service, I am a competent android programmer, and have some experience with network programming, but I am unsure of where to seek out resources to further grow my skill and knowlegde about implementing a push notification service.
May 17 14:33:16 <zzxx> If anyone has a useful answer, I'd be happy to hear it
May 17 14:38:05 <emotionull> hello devs..I m getting a weird error
May 17 14:38:23 <emotionull> the HttpResponse header returns HTTP Ok
May 17 14:38:36 <emotionull> but the content length is -1
May 17 14:39:01 <emotionull> although the server is returning some text in any case
May 17 14:39:34 <emotionull> do I need to set the content length from the LAMMP Server explicitly
May 17 14:39:35 <emotionull> ?
May 17 14:45:05 <true-techie> how can i place the context in a bundle?
May 17 14:46:45 <Tobbi> I am starting an Intent to reorder an already running activity on top. How do I pass extra data to this activity that has not been started but reordered. Or rather: is there a handler that tells me when this activity has reordered so that I can get the extras I passed to the intent?
May 17 14:49:07 <OfekRay> Tobbi, you can use startActivityForResult instead of startActivity and then getting messages with overriding onActivityResult
May 17 15:18:48 <gotama> Can anyone help me with switching between two custom view class, ive tried inflating it but i might be not getting it :P
May 17 15:27:58 <Ghiottone> hi all. Anyone having problems with last android-support-v4 lib?
May 17 15:28:21 <Ghiottone> I'm getting NotificationCompat.BigTextStyle() cannto be resolved to a type
May 17 15:39:16 <mintux> what does this error mean
May 17 15:39:19 <mintux> http://codepad.org/drROibUs
May 17 15:39:56 <mintux> it's my code: http://codepad.org/0FygKcW4
May 17 15:40:43 <Ologn> mintux: Android has main threads
May 17 15:41:06 <Ologn> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/NetworkOnMainThreadException.html
May 17 15:41:12 <Ologn> The exception that is thrown when an application attempts to perform a networking operation on its main thread.
May 17 15:41:18 <mintux> it's a simple app to show source of webpage
May 17 15:41:30 <Ologn> mintux, you have to do some (all) network operations in the background
May 17 15:41:42 <Ologn> mintux, the main thread is the display/UI thread
May 17 15:42:19 <Ologn> mintux, so any thread which could cause a delay of a few seconds, like a network request, has to be done on a background thread such as an asynctask
May 17 15:42:34 <mintux> Ologn: so my way is wrong
May 17 15:42:48 <mintux> Ologn:  and if speed be too slow then it fail
May 17 15:43:16 <mintux> ah
May 17 15:43:28 <mintux> so this way is deprecated
May 17 15:43:52 <Ologn> mintux, yes, deprecated since Honeycomb...and before Honeycomb it was a strong suggestion
May 17 15:44:31 <mintux> i just followed a video tutorial that is old too
May 17 15:45:49 <mintux> thanks
May 17 15:53:37 <g00s> did you guys know that the Play refund system changed ?
May 17 15:53:43 <g00s> http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/05/16/google-quietly-implemented-automated-refunds-apps-15-minute-window/
May 17 15:53:50 <g00s> so before 15 minutes; the same
May 17 15:54:23 <g00s> 15 minutes - 48hours; can still refund (developer loses sale)
May 17 15:54:40 <g00s> after 48 hours; google eats the refund
May 17 15:55:27 <g00s> i don't recall getting any information / email about this change from googlfe
May 17 15:57:30 <Leeds> that's because officially nothing has changed
May 17 16:00:49 <g00s> officially is meaningless doublespeak :)
May 17 16:07:44 <eghdk> I have an image view with an ontouch listener on it. On touch, Id like to retrieve the color of the pixel that my finger is on. How do I go about doing this?
May 17 16:16:09 <MarkyC> Do we have to remove OnEditorActionListener's onPause?
May 17 16:16:44 <ufk_> i want the user to be able to add or remove ingredients in a list. do i simply use ListView and a bunch of TextViews or there a nicer approach ?
May 17 16:18:14 <g00s> ufk_ listview
May 17 16:19:25 <ufk_> thanks :)
May 17 16:34:44 <ufk_> ahm.. i want an image chooser, that the user will be able to choose from gallery or camera. is there an element for that?
May 17 16:35:34 <Leeds> you can Intent out to the gallery/photos app to choose
May 17 16:36:13 <ufk_> so there isn't a simple image chooser element.. ok :) thanks
May 17 16:38:54 <conor_f> I am having some problems with ExpandableListView. I want to put a button in the group view but when I do, it makes the button unclickable and the group view unclickable so I can't see the children
May 17 16:39:43 <conor_f> From googling, I think it has something to do with setting the focusable attribute on the button, but while that makes the button work, it doesn't let the group view be clicked still
May 17 16:39:47 <conor_f> any advice?
May 17 16:46:27 <conor_f> no?
May 17 16:48:31 <ExEcUtIvE> hi guys
May 17 16:48:49 <ExEcUtIvE> how can i get the process when my app is running?
May 17 16:50:12 <eghdk> I have an image view with an ontouch listener on it. On touch, Id like to retrieve the color of the pixel that my finger is on. How do I go about doing this?
May 17 16:55:58 <conor_f> got it! Had to set in XML focusable attr of the button to true and in the code to false
May 17 16:56:02 <conor_f> strange but it works
May 17 16:56:09 <conor_f> why doesn't it work if I set focusable in XML to fasle?
May 17 16:56:21 <g00s> Leeds i was reading http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/05/16/interview-link-bubble-and-action-launcher-developer-chris-lacy-shares-his-thoughts-on-android-app-development-and-more/
May 17 16:56:39 <g00s> one statement ...
May 17 16:56:45 <g00s> " …  my experience a great many of these apps not only can’t be uninstalled, but can’t be disabled either. … "
May 17 16:57:00 <g00s> i've never seen an app that could not be disabled; is this true ?
May 17 16:57:36 <Leeds> perfectly possible for system apps to be undisableable, I think
May 17 16:58:52 <g00s> this is why i'm worried about the possibility nexus goes away; i don't really care much about HW / specs; i just want a clean image with no shit installed … especially stuff installed by oem / carrier that can't be disabled
May 17 16:59:16 <Leeds> nexus is has been less clean recently anyway
May 17 16:59:28 <g00s> lots of googly things yeah .. but ...
May 17 16:59:50 <Leeds> but assuming the rumoured Silver is basically a merger of GPE and Nexus, that should be okay - as long as you don't mind paying full price for a handset
May 17 17:00:08 <g00s> GPE?
May 17 17:00:11 <g00s> oh nm
May 17 17:00:46 <g00s> i just want a reference platform; don't care if its a bunch of wires & shit
May 17 17:01:16 <Leeds> google play edition
May 17 17:01:30 <Leeds> you might end up with something like a beagleboard at this rate
May 17 17:01:39 <g00s> yeah that is fine
May 17 17:03:12 * capella hates when I reach that point in the patch analysis ... "Ok I know how to fix it, but is it worth the time, effort, and code crapification?"
May 17 17:03:40 <g00s> capella FF ?
May 17 17:03:55 <g00s> man, i had to go onto #firefox and get help … but nobody could help
May 17 17:04:04 <capella> Yah ... small tweak to our remote tabs page ... got me working with the java again \o/
May 17 17:04:17 <capella> g00s: re: what?
May 17 17:04:31 <capella> (got sick of javascript)
May 17 17:04:33 <g00s> i have about 10 windows; each maybe 5-10 tabs or so … and FF process is taking like 30% of my CPU, and i can't figure out which one
May 17 17:04:54 <g00s> has me baffled … because i have 'don't load tabs until selected'
May 17 17:04:56 <capella> Ah, there's a bug for that ... didn't we talk?
May 17 17:05:00 <g00s> yeah
May 17 17:05:06 <g00s> so i stopped using FF atm
May 17 17:05:16 <capella> electrolysis effort is implementing something
May 17 17:05:20 <g00s> i'm using Chrome, and looking at httpsb
May 17 17:05:27 <capella> ohdear
May 17 17:06:05 <capella> My annoyance (not just FF) is every dang page seems to want to start playing background music these days
May 17 17:06:18 <g00s> capella have you seen this ? https://github.com/gorhill/httpswitchboard
May 17 17:06:24 <capella> I optn up 20 tabs for reading and one of them start singing @ me
May 17 17:06:40 <g00s> capella OH and I also added unloadtab but that didn't fix either
May 17 17:06:45 <g00s> hehe
May 17 17:07:09 <capella> mmm  ...
May 17 17:07:15 <g00s> capella did you see the recent article about ABP on HN ?
May 17 17:07:32 <Leeds> chrome has a "this tab is making noise" indicator now...
May 17 17:07:36 <capella> mmm ... saw something ... some back and forth with us and the author
May 17 17:07:53 <capella> I worked a bug for them on our side once
May 17 17:07:54 <g00s> ABP is essential, but its getting out of hand bloated
May 17 17:08:00 <capella> tell me !
May 17 17:08:36 * capella thought we were doing a "this tab is making noise" thingy
May 17 17:09:12 <capella> On Win I can use the mixer to silence the app ... on mobile ...meh ...
May 17 17:09:14 <g00s> i think chromium has an updater now too
May 17 17:09:45 * capella needs to write an addon- to just always switch to ReaderMode
May 17 17:16:11 <capella> g00s: that looks good ... blacklist the stuff you commonly encounter vs. ABP which has a >huge< css script that it parses
May 17 17:16:54 <g00s> capella i also use http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
May 17 17:17:09 <g00s> i dont think you are allowed to change that on android w/o root
May 17 17:17:23 <capella> yah hosts blocking ... I read some of that earlier too
May 17 17:18:20 <capella> and I have root .... just haven't been intrepid enough to tweak around ...  I have the Android Adblock but it doesn't help with browser ads afaict
May 17 17:19:33 <capella> "AdAway"
May 17 17:20:06 <g00s> there is also bluehell
May 17 17:20:57 <capella> yah, didnt try that one either yet
May 17 17:21:47 <Leeds> always worth remembering that however bad things are on Android... they're worse on The Other Platform
May 17 17:21:58 <mathis98> thats nonsense
May 17 17:22:13 <Leeds> you have to do 'metro' styling there!
May 17 17:23:03 <Leeds> obviously, FF don't do metro ;)
May 17 17:25:15 <g00s> i like metro, so thats fine ;) WP 8.1 was pretty fun when i played with it
May 17 17:25:29 <capella> I did about 5 patches for Metro, converted the about:config screen to touch ... then they saw me working and cancelled the project
May 17 17:25:37 <Leeds> I doubt I'll ever see my WP8 phone again
May 17 17:25:57 <capella> Got a nice SurfacePro2 out of it though ;)
May 17 17:26:59 <g00s> ars technica gave it WP 8.1 awesome reviews http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/
May 17 17:27:20 <g00s> MS new CEO is doing lots of interesting things too
May 17 17:27:28 <g00s> seems like a 18 from ballmer
May 17 17:27:31 <g00s> *180
May 17 17:28:48 <g00s> http://www.businessinsider.com/nadella-builds-new-microsoft-in-3-months-2014-5
May 17 17:29:16 <g00s> now i have a big trip and need to see if google maps will let me work offline OK
May 17 17:29:29 <Leeds> calling it a new MS is probably hyperbole - from BI, really? - but yeah, he's definitely trying to turn the battleship
May 17 17:29:48 <capella> yah ... MS turned into Mr. Corporate ... lost track of retail consumers ... when the decided they wanted their business, they told us what to buy vs. asking what we wanted
May 17 17:29:50 <capella> hence Win8 / Metro ugly for desktop, Kinect whether you want it or not, etc
May 17 17:30:35 <Leeds> hmm, I hadn't connected the new kinect-less xbone, but you're right, another example of MS being less pushy
May 17 17:30:42 <g00s> interesting part of that article is at the bottom "Next up, Nadella still has big problems to fix ..."
May 17 17:30:44 <capella> But they are back-pedalling all the right ways
May 17 17:31:22 <g00s> seems like a more humble MS that realizes it has to work with others
May 17 17:31:27 <g00s> that, i think, is refreshing
May 17 17:31:53 <yoavst> Why should I use okHttp instead of jsoup?
May 17 17:32:12 <d0de> are there any tutorials for developing an android app for someone who has never used java before?
May 17 17:32:44 <Leeds> g00s: something which I heard a while ago, which seems to have slipped under a lot of people's radar, is that they've dropped the 'Windows' name from Azure
May 17 17:33:04 <g00s> maybe its running linux :)
May 17 17:33:06 <g00s> XD
May 17 17:33:14 <Leeds> it does support Linux, and apparently pretty well
May 17 17:33:51 <WantToCode> Can somebody help me with this ? http://stackoverflow.com/q/23711150/3488870 I need to find if a textview can be seen on the display or not (not the view.Visible thing).
May 17 17:33:59 <Leeds> that's my point - new open MS, less focus on everything-is-windows, etc.
May 17 17:34:41 <g00s> Leeds do you know if the moto E is pretty much stock or motoblur ?
May 17 17:34:42 <Leeds> d0de: a) do you know other any languages, or are you starting by learning to code from nothing? b) start by learning the Java language, don't worry about things like UI, then start on Android
May 17 17:35:06 <Leeds> g00s: I think motoblur is largely dead - from everything I've read, the new Moto phones are pretty much stock with a few Moto apps
May 17 17:35:38 <g00s> moto has some of their apps in Play, like the new emergency app
May 17 17:35:46 <g00s> thats awesome, i'd rather just add the stuff i wanted
May 17 17:36:08 <Leeds> right, but they'll only install on Moto phones - I think it's more so they can push updates through Play, rather than any real unbundling... HTC are doing it as well
May 17 17:36:23 <g00s> makes sense
May 17 17:36:29 <Leeds> ha ha sense :)
May 17 17:39:28 <Leeds> d0de: a) do you know other any languages, or are you starting by learning to code from nothing? b) start by learning the Java language, don't worry about things like UI, then start on Android
May 17 17:39:32 <d0de> Leeds: I know some javascript. I was trying to port a webapp to Android to Phonegap / cordova. I realized it was going to suck in Phonegap vs. a native app. I'm trying to work out if it's realistic to write it from scratch in java
May 17 17:39:58 <capella> moz has a graphics project called Azure ... I kept saying ,,, but MS??!
May 17 17:40:11 <Leeds> well, you'd need to learn a new language, a new platform, and to a great extent a new application model
May 17 17:40:20 <g00s> so I/O 2014 schedule was out a few days ago ...
May 17 17:40:29 <g00s> but i think some things were added since
May 17 17:40:39 <g00s> did you guys see this about Polymer ? https://www.google.com/events/io/schedule/session/492aed57-d7b9-e311-b297-00155d5066d7
May 17 17:41:21 <capella> multiscreens confuse me
May 17 17:41:48 <d0de> Leeds, I figure it's worth experimenting with. What would you recommend I start with to try to pick up the basics of the language?
May 17 17:41:59 <Leeds> d0de: SunOracle has a java tutorial...
May 17 17:42:37 <Leeds> my main advice would be not to try to rush it - take it as it comes, and if it's taking too long, maybe now isn't the time
May 17 17:45:13 <d0de> Leeds, would you say it's harder to pick up the basics of java than the basics of javascript?
May 17 17:45:29 <Leeds> yes, I would... Java is a more formal, more engineered language
May 17 17:47:28 <d0de> it certainly seems that way so far
May 17 17:47:28 <Leeds> the result would probably be better than phonegap, but it'll take more work and time... if it's an existing webapp, you might want to try to build a quick phonegap version, then work on the 'real' native app
May 17 17:48:59 <d0de> the problem is that it plays media, and phonegap seems really lacking in this area. Something as simple as "pause all media when the phone rings or is off the hook" isn't possible without using a plugin with some java code, and there are no up to date plugins for that feature. There seem to be lots of basic features that aren't possible to implement in phonegap
May 17 17:49:16 <Leeds> ah, yeah...
May 17 17:50:06 <d0de> and there are also *loads* of bugs
May 17 17:50:13 <Leeds> surely not :)
May 17 17:51:27 <yaodin> I'm trying to read a url from an xml (I can read all other data in the xml) but the urls are throwing an unexpected type error (before you ask there are no &) does anyone have any experience with this?
May 17 17:51:44 <d0de> I'm probably being silly and it probably isn't possible for me to write a java version from scratch without knowing any java, but I feel it's at least worth trying. I guess the advantage of not knowing anything is that you don't know how over-ambitious you're being
May 17 17:52:53 <d0de> I don't suppose anyone happens to know if it's possible for a background service to control more than one media player instance in Android?
May 17 17:55:18 <Leeds> I've only done the one foreground video player
May 17 18:09:20 <WantToCode> g00s: are you little bit free? Can you please look at this ? http://stackoverflow.com/q/23711150/3488870 I need to find if a textview can be seen on the display or not (not the view.Visible thing).
May 17 18:15:54 <capella> or a little but country?
May 17 18:16:02 <capella> *bit ... :P
May 17 18:16:40 <WantToCode> capella: sorry?
May 17 18:16:58 <capella> :) Joke ... g00s is a little bit country
May 17 18:17:54 <WantToCode> capella: can you help me with this? have spent all day now dealing with this weird thingy
May 17 18:20:06 <capella> you want to find if an item in a listview is displayed vs. scrolled out of sight kinda thing?
May 17 18:21:09 <WantToCode> no, In the detail fragment, on the right. All the news things are in a scroll view. I want to know if the article body is visible on the screen or not.
May 17 18:21:57 <WantToCode> For eg in this http://puu.sh/8Pwsk.png the article is "After the landslide..." and in this it is not visible because the image is too large http://puu.sh/8PwtC.png
May 17 18:22:14 <WantToCode> In the later case I want to display a "Scroll TO Read" textview
May 17 18:22:27 * capella (finds elegant solution to hack approach ... does a happy dance)
May 17 18:22:28 <WantToCode> which is right now visible (just for testing though)
May 17 18:23:49 <capella> oic
May 17 18:24:06 <WantToCode> I first thought of getting the image height and comparing with Window size but image returns size 0.
May 17 18:25:01 <WantToCode> any clue?
May 17 18:26:14 <capella> wondering if a visual clue is required ... won't most people know there's "stuff" offscreen / how-to-scroll?
May 17 18:28:19 <WantToCode> hmm I know it is weird to add this thing and thing is happening on 10inch Tabs mostly. On phones 1/20 times the images are large, for the case when there are infographics, on tab 7" too sometimes images are large.
May 17 18:28:35 <WantToCode> I wonder if there isnt any easier approach, I should scrap this idea.
May 17 18:29:23 <WantToCode> Weirdest thing being the getHeight on image view returning 0
May 17 18:31:03 <lucastt> i just installed the sdk, and when i try to build a 'hello world' app, it throws an error
May 17 18:31:23 <Leeds> a super secret error?
May 17 18:31:28 <lucastt> /android-sdk-linux/build-tools/19.1.0/aapt: File or directory not found
May 17 18:31:46 <capella> double secret probation!
May 17 18:31:56 <lucastt> but that file exists
May 17 18:32:02 <Leeds> can you run it?
May 17 18:32:08 <lucastt> let me try
May 17 18:32:22 <lucastt> no, same error
May 17 18:32:25 <lucastt> but it exists
May 17 18:32:30 <Leeds> are you trying to run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit only Linux install?
May 17 18:32:48 <lucastt> i don't know if my distro is 64-bit only
May 17 18:32:56 <puckipedia> which distro?
May 17 18:33:06 <lucastt> elementary OS, based on ubuntu
May 17 18:33:07 <puckipedia> actually, what does `uname -m` say?
May 17 18:33:23 <WantToCode> capella: scrap the idea then? no clue?
May 17 18:33:37 <lucastt> puckipedia, that exact command?
May 17 18:33:45 <puckipedia> without ` of course
May 17 18:33:46 <capella> wanttocode... That's entirely up to you as the UI designer :)
May 17 18:34:00 <kbs> If I only ever programatically broadcast an explicit intent to a receiver - can I simply register it as <receiver android:name="FooReceiver"/> in the manifest file?
May 17 18:34:01 <lucastt> x86_64
May 17 18:34:03 <capella> Time and experience will tell you that
May 17 18:34:12 <puckipedia> lucastt, so probably 64-bit only
May 17 18:34:20 <WantToCode> capella: ahh...! :( Thanks for your time
May 17 18:34:30 <lucastt> is there a way to make it run a 32-bit binary?
May 17 18:34:32 <puckipedia> so, run `sudo apt-get install ia32-libs`
May 17 18:34:42 <puckipedia> which will install 32-bit libs
May 17 18:34:48 <capella> Is ok :) I have people tell me how to design things ... I get to just make the code work
May 17 18:34:50 <lucastt> huh, the last time i installed that i had to reinstall the system
May 17 18:34:58 <lucastt> because it made my theme engine works weirdly
May 17 18:35:00 <puckipedia> hmm
May 17 18:35:03 <puckipedia> shouldn't happen
May 17 18:35:05 <capella> If I designed things, we'd still be on command line
May 17 18:35:25 <lucastt> it only make my theme engine works weirdly, i had to reinstall the system because i'm bad at fixing stuff, lol
May 17 18:35:32 <Leeds> at some point soon, Google will probably have to start building the SDK for 64-bit - I think it's getting more common to have 64-bit only installs
May 17 18:36:19 <lucastt> i tought 64bit systems could run 32bit files by default
May 17 18:36:30 <puckipedia> well, you need the 32-bit libs
May 17 18:36:34 <Leeds> not without 32-bit libs installed
May 17 18:36:34 <puckipedia> which for some reason aren't installed
May 17 18:36:39 <lucastt> i see
May 17 18:36:43 <lucastt> i'll install it
May 17 18:37:00 <Leeds> if you're only running software from your distro, it'll typically all be built for 64-bit nowadays
May 17 18:37:14 <Leeds> we started the x86_64 transition a *long* time ago
May 17 18:37:18 <puckipedia> if it doesn't work, press ctrl+alt+f2 and log in, and `sudo apt-get remove ia32-libs` hopefully
May 17 18:37:21 <lucastt> what do you mean Leeds /
May 17 18:37:49 <lucastt> i'll make a restore-point just to be shure, lol
May 17 18:37:51 <Leeds> lucastt: which bit?
May 17 18:38:02 <lucastt> <Leeds> if you're only running software from your distro, it'll typically all be built for 64-bit nowadays
May 17 18:38:23 <Leeds> erm, what needs explaining there?
May 17 18:38:30 <puckipedia> Well, software from your distro is installed via apt-get or the package manager, which only distributes 64-bit software
May 17 18:38:37 <lucastt> "only running software from your distro"?
May 17 18:38:39 <puckipedia> (or 32-bit with the 32-bit libs as dependency)
May 17 18:38:42 <lucastt> oh
May 17 18:38:49 <lucastt> thanks
May 17 18:40:17 <Leeds> I have the same problem with my home server - I can't run plex on it, because I can only get a 32-bit package
May 17 18:40:31 <puckipedia> Leeds, no 32-bit libs?
May 17 18:40:42 <puckipedia> also, can't you compile it yourself?
May 17 18:40:48 <Leeds> puckipedia: as with lucastt, I haven't needed them - and no, plex isn't open source
May 17 18:40:52 <Mavrik> *sigh*
May 17 18:41:02 <Mavrik> lucastt, run ldd on aapt and other binaries that doesn't work
May 17 18:41:07 <Mavrik> run apt-cache search for that file
May 17 18:41:18 <Mavrik> run apt-get install lib<whateveryouneed>:i386
May 17 18:41:34 <Mavrik> IIRC you need to install 2 libs or so for the SDK to work on Elementary / Ubuntu 12.04
May 17 18:41:58 <Mavrik> ia32-libs isn't really needed and can cause problems
May 17 18:42:22 <lucastt> i'll need it for a lot of files
May 17 18:42:24 <Leeds> Mavrik: it's good that people need to know that sort of thing to use the SDK, right?
May 17 18:42:26 <lucastt> i'll need it for the sdk
May 17 18:42:48 <Mavrik> Leeds, indeed
May 17 18:42:57 <Mavrik> Leeds, I have no idea why they distribute it as x86 binaries
May 17 18:42:58 <Mavrik> -_-
May 17 18:44:33 <lucastt> i tried to install 32libs
May 17 18:44:48 <lucastt> it throws errors
May 17 18:45:18 <lucastt> it says it was impossible to fix the problems, because i held broken packages
May 17 18:45:58 <lucastt> and that the package has unmet dependencies
May 17 18:46:42 <lucastt> should i get help for that on ##linux/ #ubuntu?
May 17 19:00:00 <lucastt> conclusion: i might switch distros
May 17 19:00:01 <lucastt> lel
May 17 19:01:12 <Mavrik> how will that help?
May 17 19:01:22 <Mavrik> you'll have the same issue everywhere
May 17 19:04:24 <autrilla> The DevBytes video for listview reordering has an OnItemLongClickListener on the ListView to trigger the dragging. How could I make so that it only triggers when I press the drag handle / grip?
May 17 19:04:30 <lucastt> Mavrik, not really
May 17 19:04:39 <lucastt> Elementary OS has some really bad issues
May 17 19:04:48 <lucastt> it's not just because of that android sdk thing
May 17 19:04:53 <lucastt> i was already thinking about switching
May 17 19:05:32 <Mavrik> eOS is pretty much just Ubuntu 12.04
May 17 19:05:39 <Mavrik> which is about as stable as it gets right now
May 17 19:05:45 <Mavrik> so... well... :)
May 17 19:06:29 <autrilla> How does eOS perform on old laptops (off-topic here)
May 17 19:06:49 <autrilla> And old computers for that matter
May 17 19:07:51 <Mavrik> it uses 3d desktop by default
May 17 19:07:59 <Mavrik> so depends on what do you mean "old"
May 17 19:08:06 <Mavrik> it performs about the same as 12.04 LTS :)
May 17 19:08:19 <autrilla> A 3 year old vostro
May 17 19:08:35 <autrilla> Worst computer I've ever had
May 17 19:09:18 <lucastt> Mavrik, not really.
May 17 19:09:34 <lucastt> the main difference is the support, lol
May 17 19:10:03 <lucastt> anyway, as i said, i'm not switching distros just because of that
May 17 19:10:06 <Mavrik> autrilla, as long as it has like 4GB of RAM it should work just fine.
May 17 19:11:36 <autrilla> I think it has 3GB
May 17 19:11:47 <autrilla> Meh
May 17 19:11:50 <autrilla> It's a very bad laptop
May 17 19:12:04 <Mavrik> yeah, that should be ok
May 17 19:12:06 <puckipedia> I upgraded my ultrabook from 3gb to 12gb :P
May 17 19:12:15 <puckipedia> Seriously, I don't ever have memory problems
May 17 19:12:38 <autrilla> http://hothardware.com/newsimages/Item9295/dell-vostro-1320-notebook-1.jpg it migh as well be from the 90
May 17 19:12:41 <autrilla> 90's
May 17 19:13:25 <autrilla> I sometimes have memory problems on the PC I'm currently at, when you open large files in PS... 8GB just aren't enough
May 17 19:13:44 <Mavrik> puckipedia, hmm, that's a wierd combo
May 17 19:13:55 <Mavrik> what kind of ultrabook upgrades to only 12GB from 3GB?
May 17 19:14:20 <puckipedia> Mavrik, 3gb built-in (non-removable)
May 17 19:14:26 <puckipedia> added one 8gb ram stick
May 17 19:14:47 <Mavrik> you mean 4GB?
May 17 19:14:54 <autrilla> That doesn't make 12GB
May 17 19:14:59 <puckipedia> wait
May 17 19:15:00 <puckipedia> what
May 17 19:15:04 <Mavrik> I know UX32VDs had 4GB soldered + one RAM slot that took 8GB to total of 12
May 17 19:15:15 <Mavrik> but haven't seen anyone solder 3GB inside :)
May 17 19:16:55 <puckipedia> sorry, you're right
May 17 19:16:56 <puckipedia> 4GB
May 17 19:18:17 <Mavrik> ah, just got confused :)
May 17 19:18:25 <Mavrik> yeah, alot of RAM helps for dev work
May 17 19:18:41 <puckipedia> Still, Goat Simulator took everything
May 17 19:18:47 <autrilla> I have 2 more 4GB sticks somewhere, but I couldn't find it
May 17 19:18:57 <autrilla> find them*
May 17 19:19:06 <Mavrik> puckipedia, hehe
May 17 19:19:14 <Mavrik> yeah, I have 16GB in all my machines
May 17 19:19:22 <Mavrik> that and SSD is pretty much must for proper dev work
May 17 19:19:29 <autrilla> I do have an SSD
May 17 19:19:35 <autrilla> 128Gb only though
May 17 19:20:03 <puckipedia> Mine has a built-in 24GB ssd and a 500GB hdd
May 17 19:20:35 <autrilla> 24GB? Does Windows even fit there?
May 17 19:20:47 <Mavrik> it's a precache
May 17 19:20:51 <puckipedia> Mavrik, yep
May 17 19:20:53 <autrilla> Oh wow, now that I remember, does Windows 8.1 use paging file on SSDs?
May 17 19:20:54 <Mavrik> not exposed to OS
May 17 19:20:59 <puckipedia> actually, it is
May 17 19:21:03 <autrilla> Ah, it's a SSHD
May 17 19:21:09 <puckipedia> intel uses it for saving the hibernation partition and some other
May 17 19:21:15 <Mavrik> puckipedia, right, forgot that Intel shows it to you
May 17 19:21:17 <puckipedia> but I can use it to mirror my /lib folder :P
May 17 19:21:18 <Mavrik> Apple hides it
May 17 19:21:21 <Mavrik> SSHDs as well
May 17 19:21:40 <Mavrik> on Windows you get a tool to enable block-level caching on Ivy Bridges
May 17 19:22:31 <g00s> 16GB + SSD, nice Mavrik ; so you wouldn't like my 4G + 5400 rpm machine :|
May 17 19:22:43 <Mavrik> g00s, well
May 17 19:22:47 <Mavrik> if you do something professionally
May 17 19:22:51 <Mavrik> you need proper tools
May 17 19:22:53 <g00s> no wonder ant is so fast for you ! hahaha
May 17 19:22:59 <Mavrik> and a developer really only needs a single machine
May 17 19:23:12 <Mavrik> puny 1000€ will buy you a huge lot of desktop hardware
May 17 19:23:31 <autrilla> I'm considering getting a better computer for my workplace too
May 17 19:23:42 <autrilla> I usually just code at home, most stuff I code is unrelated to my job
May 17 19:24:54 <autrilla> For ~500€ I should be able to get something decent
May 17 19:25:34 <Mavrik> get another 300 or so to get something really good that'll last years
May 17 19:25:46 <Mavrik> 800EUR will buy you 16G of RAM, 256SSD and a proper quad i7
May 17 19:26:22 <autrilla> Mavrik, as I said, I don't really code at work. At home I have a 4670, m4 SSD and an r9 280x
May 17 19:26:31 <Mavrik> and?
May 17 19:26:33 <g00s> Mavrik what brand machines do you like? are you using windows ?
May 17 19:26:51 <g00s> i should ask, laptop. i may need a new laptop soon
May 17 19:27:02 <Mavrik> no, I'm not using windows
May 17 19:27:21 <autrilla> I'd love to use linux, but the Adobe Suite isn't supported
May 17 19:27:26 <Mavrik> autrilla, if your works can't afford to add 300EUR for a proper machine to you... you might wanna look somewhere else :P
May 17 19:27:29 <puckipedia> Just multiboot!
May 17 19:27:34 <g00s> yeah, I use adobe Lightroom; man i hate adobe
May 17 19:27:35 <autrilla> Mavrik, of course we can
May 17 19:27:43 <Mavrik> g00s, as for brand... pretty much anything that gives me alot of power/quality for money
May 17 19:27:56 <Mavrik> g00s, right now we mostly use rMBPs at work
May 17 19:28:06 <g00s> rMBP ?
May 17 19:28:12 <autrilla> macbooks
May 17 19:28:13 <g00s> retina, ok
May 17 19:28:32 <Mavrik> Lenovo Thinkpads are fine, Yogas as well, ASUS zenbooks, Sony Z series
May 17 19:28:38 <Mavrik> good laptops are rather expensive tho
May 17 19:28:50 <Mavrik> so... get a desktop if you don't really need portabilit
May 17 19:28:51 <Mavrik> y
May 17 19:30:16 <autrilla> Mavrik, socket 1550, right?
May 17 19:31:02 <Mavrik> 1155 or whats it? haswells
May 17 19:31:21 <autrilla> There's 1150, 1155, 1156 and 2011
May 17 19:31:37 <autrilla> I'd go with a 3770
May 17 19:32:10 <Mavrik> ah, it seems 1150 for haswells
May 17 19:32:14 <autrilla> Yes
May 17 19:32:21 <autrilla> I won't need a GPU, right?
May 17 19:32:22 <Mavrik> yay Intel.
May 17 19:32:28 <autrilla> Integrated should be fine
May 17 19:32:45 <puckipedia> unless you want to game :P
May 17 19:32:53 <autrilla> At work? No, not really
May 17 19:33:19 <puckipedia> or watch a wall of youtube videos about android, all at the same time
May 17 19:34:17 <autrilla> Mavrik, oh, those are Ivy Bridges
May 17 19:34:43 <autrilla> 1150 for haswell
May 17 19:34:59 <Mavrik> mhm, haswells are 4xxx
May 17 19:35:11 <Mavrik> puckipedia, meh, HW decoder onboard :P
May 17 19:35:11 <autrilla> Yes, 4790, for example
May 17 19:36:02 <eghdk> I have a custom View that does its own onTouchEvent Listener inside of the custom views class. I want to add another onTouchListener in my activity to this custom view. What can I do to ensure that both Listeners get called?
May 17 19:36:08 <autrilla> Case? Cooler Master K280 looks decent
May 17 19:37:57 <Mavrik> eghdk, override setOnTouchEventListener, keep reference and pass through events
May 17 19:39:03 <eghdk> Mavrik: Erm.... what do you mean pass through events?
May 17 19:39:14 <Mavrik> eghdk, a view may have one listener.
May 17 19:39:28 <Mavrik> so if you set your own listener on a base class in your custom view
May 17 19:39:42 <Mavrik> your custom view will have to keep a reference from "outside" listener and pass over events to that one
May 17 19:40:39 <autrilla> Mavrik, what RAM would you get? Brand and model
May 17 19:40:46 <Mavrik> the cheapest one
May 17 19:40:48 <Mavrik> :)
May 17 19:40:58 <Mavrik> 1600 if it's cheap enough
May 17 19:41:03 <eghdk> Well so my listener inside of my custom view works. I then create new CustomView and setOnTouchListener... where do I pass events? In my activity or in my customView class?
May 17 19:41:09 <autrilla> 22€/2GB
May 17 19:41:12 <autrilla> That's 1333
May 17 19:41:26 <autrilla> And 1600 is 39€ 4GB
May 17 19:41:29 <autrilla> But it's cl11
May 17 19:42:02 <WantToCode> android.R.dimen.status_bar_height contains the height of "status bar". Is it ActionBar+notification bar height or just the actionbar?
May 17 19:42:18 <autrilla> WantToCode, it's the size of the status bar
May 17 19:42:24 <autrilla> Which is what you call notification bar
May 17 19:43:02 <WantToCode> ok. and how can I get the sizes of action bar at top and the navigation bar at bottom?
May 17 19:43:19 <autrilla> Why would you want that?
May 17 19:43:30 <autrilla> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12301510/how-to-get-the-actionbar-height
May 17 19:43:53 <autrilla> Mavrik, did your 800€ include peripherals?
May 17 19:43:59 <Mavrik> nop
May 17 19:44:01 <WantToCode> I want to get the height of the viewable area without all the bars.
May 17 19:44:15 <Mavrik> good monitor is another 400-1000 depending on what you want :P
May 17 19:44:33 <Mavrik> WantToCode, hmmm, grab the size of decorview?
May 17 19:44:39 <autrilla> Mavrik, errr 4k or what
May 17 19:44:49 <autrilla> My monitors cost 89€ and 132€
May 17 19:44:55 <Mavrik> also I think one of the getScreenSize returns that value as well
May 17 19:45:09 <Mavrik> autrilla, well, 27" 2560x1440 or yes, 4K if you want :P
May 17 19:45:21 <Mavrik> dual fullHD maybe? :)
May 17 19:45:53 <autrilla> There is a chance I will only use this computer for 3 months or so
May 17 19:46:06 <eghdk> Mavrik: Well so my listener inside of my custom view works. I then create new CustomView and setOnTouchListener... where do I pass events? In my activity or in my customView class?
May 17 19:46:42 <Mavrik> hmm, don't understand your question really
May 17 19:46:42 <autrilla> I'm running dual fullhd now, and it's good enough
May 17 19:46:47 <Mavrik> your customview should be opaque :)
May 17 19:47:08 <autrilla> Mavrik, have you ever done reorderable listviews?
May 17 19:47:16 <Mavrik> autrilla, yes.
May 17 19:47:19 <Mavrik> it was a pain :)
May 17 19:47:25 <autrilla> It is being a pain for me
May 17 19:47:32 <autrilla> Mavrik, did you use any libs?
May 17 19:47:41 <autrilla> Or did you just code everything yourself
May 17 19:49:36 <WantToCode> Sorry, got disconnected. I was saying that I am currently using getWindowManager().getDefaultDisplay(); to get Display and use getSize
May 17 19:49:45 <Mavrik> autrilla, I think I used dragsortlistview or some such
May 17 19:50:09 <autrilla> Mavrik, yeah, discontinued. https://github.com/bauerca/drag-sort-listview
May 17 19:50:19 <SimonVT> Isn't there a devbytes on this? Should be fairly easy to implement then
May 17 19:50:39 <autrilla> SimonVT, the devbytes thing goes prtty much against every design principle imo
May 17 19:50:54 <autrilla> They just have a OnLongItemClickListener to trigger stuff
May 17 19:51:05 <SimonVT> So use something else "to trigger stuff"
May 17 19:51:20 <SimonVT> The entire drag, etc, logic would be the same
May 17 19:51:32 <WantToCode> Mavrik: is the above code I am using OK?
May 17 19:52:06 <Mavrik> autrilla, well, worked fine enough (it was some time ago tho :) )
May 17 19:52:08 <autrilla> SimonVT, yes, sure, but I would have to notify the ListView when I click the drag handle
May 17 19:52:16 <aoeu> Is there a way to preload convertviews in a ListView with more than 1 view type?
May 17 19:52:55 <SimonVT> I don't see the issue
May 17 19:53:09 <SimonVT> aoeu: Nope
May 17 19:53:09 <autrilla> I thought that would be bad
May 17 19:53:10 <QbY> What would be the best way to unicast a video stream from the camera?
May 17 19:53:34 <autrilla> well then
May 17 19:53:55 <aoeu> SimonVT: What do I do then? I just accept that the view lags/hang every time a new listitem is created?
May 17 19:54:28 <SimonVT> autrilla: OnItemLongClickListener doesn't "notify the listview" about anything that has to do with dragging items around
May 17 19:54:34 <aoeu> SimonVT: All my pages are listviews. Some of these lists can have 4-5 different view types, each having different heights.
May 17 19:54:41 <Mavrik> hm.
May 17 19:54:46 <Mavrik> the lagging part is the problem
May 17 19:54:51 <Mavrik> not the preloading part.
May 17 19:55:06 <autrilla> SimonVT, it tells the ListView subclass they made to start the dragging
May 17 19:55:14 <aoeu> Mavrik: It lags because a view is created. What makes ListViews smooth is that Views are created once, and not created when you scroll.
May 17 19:55:17 <Mavrik> you need to fix your lag issues not just move delays somewhere else.
May 17 19:55:29 <SimonVT> autrilla: And that is completely impossible to do from anything but an OnItemLongClickListener?
May 17 19:55:30 <aoeu> Creating a view when scrolling is what cause the issue.
May 17 19:55:50 <SimonVT> What makes it impossible?
May 17 19:56:03 <autrilla> SimonVT, I could, in the adapter, set up a touch listener for the handle and send an Event via Otto
May 17 19:56:10 <autrilla> To notify the ListView
May 17 19:56:20 <aoeu> It's impossible not to have the lag.
May 17 19:56:27 <aoeu> The view is big and complex.
May 17 19:56:28 <autrilla> That's what I  thought, but then I thought that was not the correct way to do it
May 17 19:57:06 <SimonVT> Or just call a method directly on the listview
May 17 19:57:33 <MohitKanwal> g00s: Heya, I finally managed to figure out all the gradle stuff to load Dex files during runtime
May 17 19:57:49 <MohitKanwal> g00s: Here is the github repo: https://github.com/creativepsyco/secondary-dex-gradle
May 17 19:57:56 <aoeu> Why don't the ListView/adapter create views in advance?
May 17 19:58:08 <autrilla> SimonVT, yeah, right. getView gives the ListView as a parent ViewGroup, right?
May 17 19:58:56 <Mavrik> aoeu, simplify the view.
May 17 19:58:58 <Mavrik> optimize drawing
May 17 19:59:12 <Mavrik> it HAS to be laid out somewhere
May 17 19:59:22 <Mavrik> you're app will still be slow, you just move waiting time somewhere else
May 17 19:59:44 <aoeu> Mavrik: I can't.
May 17 20:00:48 <autrilla> Either git or IDEA are really stubborn, idk how to tell it not to use the drag-sort-listview lib
May 17 20:01:02 <autrilla> Removing the git submodule is not enough apprently
May 17 20:01:09 <WantToCode> aoeu: If you havent, you should watch these two videos from I/O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YdwzAvwOA, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBM6wVEO70, why different things happen in listviews.
May 17 20:01:10 <Mavrik> aoeu, find a better developer to do it for you.
May 17 20:02:01 <aoeu> Mavrik: There's no simpler way to show the content.
May 17 20:02:39 <aoeu> I need a way around this. Will I need to implement my own ListView? I hope not.
May 17 20:02:42 <g00s> MohitKanwal wow, nice !
May 17 20:03:40 <aoeu> Mavrik: each listitem is taller than the height of the screen
May 17 20:03:55 <aoeu> Mavrik: it contains lots of things, spinners, viewpagers, etc.
May 17 20:03:59 <Mavrik> huh.
May 17 20:04:08 <MohitKanwal> g00s: it took me a while to figure out the entire gradle build pipeline and the tasks but once that is done, pretty much the rest is similar to the blogpost
May 17 20:04:56 <g00s> i'll have to study it
May 17 20:04:59 <g00s> :)
May 17 20:06:25 <aoeu> Mavrik: what do you suggest?
May 17 20:06:38 <Mavrik> profiling, seriously rethinking your implementation
May 17 20:06:41 <aoeu> Mavrik: I just need to ask the adapter to create 4 views at first.
May 17 20:06:43 <Mavrik> using custom viewgroups and views.
May 17 20:06:53 <aoeu> Mavrik: I'm using custom viewgroups and views.
May 17 20:06:54 <Mavrik> aoeu, how does that help
May 17 20:06:59 <Mavrik> if you have stuttering
May 17 20:07:14 <Mavrik> what makes you think users will look at blank screen to wait for your views to lay out _
May 17 20:07:36 <aoeu> Mavrik: They're created at first, when the list is not scrolling. You don't notice this loading as much as the one that occurs when scrolling and revealing new views that are not created.
May 17 20:07:57 <aoeu> Mavrik: There's a loading screen that hides the content of the page.
May 17 20:09:35 <Nazgul> hello
May 17 20:10:09 <autrilla> something with the DevBytes' ListView is very wrong. In a ListView with 2 items it's requesting item 12
May 17 20:10:19 <aoeu> Mavrik: So you're saying that there is no way, not even a hack that let us do this?
May 17 20:11:25 <autrilla> What the heck are you loading that takes so much, aoeu ?
May 17 20:11:28 <Mavrik> Not that I would know.
May 17 20:11:57 <Mavrik> I'm also saying you probably did something very wrong when designing / implementing the app which causes you the problem in the first place.
May 17 20:12:05 <SimonVT> It isn't usually creating the view hierarchy that takes time, but measuring/layout (which has to happen every time anyway)
May 17 20:12:10 <Mavrik> And that you're trying to patch the wrong issue.
May 17 20:12:37 <Mavrik> mhm, you can do alot to cut that time down by inserting custom viewgroups for complex parts
May 17 20:12:44 <aoeu> Mavrik: Our main page has a ViewPager (with complex items inside), a list of offers, a list of category, and a footer. Since we can't seem to put 2+ lists inside a scrollview, we had to merge both lists into 2, to which we added the main section and bottom section as list items. But when the List is first displayed, only the main item is visible, so it doesn't create any convertview for listitems. When the first item is shown, it c
May 17 20:13:05 <aoeu> Mavrik: Seem for all future list items. Then, once they're all created, scrolling up and down is very smooth.
May 17 20:13:12 <aoeu> same*
May 17 20:14:31 <autrilla> Huh. The OnItemLongClickListener is not triggering
May 17 20:14:42 <aoeu> Mavrik: I have no control over the design. I'm a dev. PMs don't want to change design, designers don't want to change the design. The client, above all, don't want to change the design. The exact same design is present in the iOS app, and it works fine. They want the iOS and Android app to be identical when it comes to the content of pages, so we have to deal with these constraints.
May 17 20:15:59 <aoeu> Rather than using a LinearLayout with bunch of stuff in it, each item that would be in a linearlayout (including lists) become an item is the list.
May 17 20:16:33 <aoeu> How would you put 2 lists in the same page, one above the other?
May 17 20:17:15 <g00s> aoeu could you use one ListView and cwac-mergeadapter ?
May 17 20:17:25 <SimonVT> Or have one list that displays two datasets
May 17 20:17:28 <puckipedia> probably not the same effect
May 17 20:17:34 <g00s> i'm not really following the conversation that well :)
May 17 20:17:53 <SimonVT> Depends if both needs to be visible
May 17 20:18:18 <SimonVT> (List being list view)
May 17 20:19:20 <aoeu> g00s: cwac-mergeadapter is similar to what we built
May 17 20:19:34 <aoeu> g00s: but how does it solve the issue of creating new views?
May 17 20:19:34 <autrilla> Hmmm... the ListView does get the touch events
May 17 20:20:06 <aoeu> g00s: like, when you scroll and a view that was never created before has to be shown? doesn't the creation of the view cause a lag?
May 17 20:20:20 <g00s> wouldn't you lazy load that ?
May 17 20:20:30 <g00s> prefetch, cache, etc
May 17 20:22:33 <autrilla> It should draw it :(
May 17 20:25:14 <aoeu> g00s: that should work
May 17 20:25:43 <g00s> oh wow, you can't switch on a long in Java
May 17 20:25:45 <aoeu> g00s: so i create them when the list is created, and hold them somewhere inside the adapter, and when I should create a new view, i actually just get the one that was already created
May 17 20:25:54 <aoeu> g00s: use C#
May 17 20:26:59 <Mavrik> O.o
May 17 20:27:07 <Mavrik> aoeu, well, profile your slow points first
May 17 20:27:13 <Mavrik> find out what's taking so long
May 17 20:27:25 <Mavrik> act on that... use TraceView and HiearchyViewer
May 17 20:27:26 <aoeu> Other question: Should I generate all assets in all resolutions, or can I just use XHDPI and let the device scale them?
May 17 20:27:51 <Mavrik> slow devices will take their time loading large images, decoding and scaling them
May 17 20:28:05 <aoeu> Mavrik: It has to take long. The view has to be created, so I create it before it's visible. If I were using a ScrollView, the view would be created before I would reach it, wouldn't it?
May 17 20:28:24 <aoeu> Mavrik: So it does affect performance? Good to know.
May 17 20:28:31 <Mavrik> yes, yes it does :)
May 17 20:28:44 <Mavrik> internal device flash can be rather unintuitevly slow
May 17 20:28:46 <aoeu> Mavrik: I thougth it would just be done automatically and cached.
May 17 20:29:09 <aoeu> When creating the package.
May 17 20:29:25 <Mavrik> nope.
May 17 20:31:14 <Istar_Eldritch> For what I've experienced the first time the image loads it takes long time. It should be cached at that time as the consequent uses of the same image are faster.
May 17 20:32:20 <aoeu> Another question: All the data is bound asynchronously to my views. So when I scroll very fast, the views are white/empty, and then content is applied to it. Is there a way around it?
May 17 20:32:38 <Istar_Eldritch> Also if the image is too big it may overflow the heap memory of the device.
May 17 20:33:13 <aoeu> And when views are recycled, I see the old content of the view before data gets bound. Is there a way to reset a view without reinflating it?
May 17 20:33:47 <Napalm> autrilla: actually its not, because i have it working
May 17 20:37:07 <Istar_Eldritch> aoeu, I think for the first approach is the correct one. Synchronous loading is a bad experience in the user side. What you can do is showing the a ProgressBar in the image view during the load. I can't say anything about your second question as I don't know if there's other way.
May 17 20:37:08 <g00s> ok, now i see. somebody had this problem last week. if you select an item from the nav drawer, close the drawer and then start another activity, the animation is somewhat screwed up and very janky
May 17 20:37:28 <autrilla> Napalm, huh. I used something else, triggers can't be used for that btw
May 17 20:40:48 <Napalm> autrilla: what do you think the triggers are being used for?
May 17 20:41:10 <autrilla> Napalm, you can't have a trigger affect the same table that triggered it
May 17 20:41:17 <Napalm> yes they can
May 17 20:41:27 <Napalm> remember its sqlite not mysql
May 17 20:41:27 <Napalm> :P
May 17 20:42:11 <autrilla> Napalm, oh. The guys at #mysql told me that wasn't possible, of course
May 17 20:42:34 * autrilla reboots
May 17 20:55:43 <autrilla> Napalm, do you have Hugo?
May 17 20:55:56 <Napalm> no idea what that is?
May 17 20:56:25 <autrilla> Napalm, for logging
May 17 20:56:36 <autrilla> Just to know what methods were executing for you
May 17 20:56:55 <Napalm> nope never used it
May 17 20:58:38 <autrilla> Napalm, but you said the DevBytes' approach was working for you, right?
May 17 20:58:50 <Napalm> approach to what?
May 17 20:59:04 <autrilla> ListView
May 17 20:59:13 <Napalm> you mean reorderng?
May 17 20:59:16 <autrilla> yes
May 17 20:59:18 <Napalm> yes
May 17 20:59:37 <g00s> Napalm did you see that I/O talk about Polymer ?
May 17 20:59:53 <g00s> i dont remember it being up when the schedule first went live
May 17 21:00:06 * g00s hopes its not like volley :D
May 17 21:00:17 <autrilla> Brb, my GPU fans are at 100%, I must have done something wrong with the thermal paste
May 17 21:00:42 <g00s> stop mining all those bitcoins
May 17 21:01:16 <capella> ah! My VCR fans just kicked in !
May 17 21:01:36 <g00s> capella FF makes my CPU fan run
May 17 21:01:39 <g00s> XD
May 17 21:01:44 <capella> hahahahaha
May 17 21:02:02 <g00s> i closed the lid on the laptop and woke up : 0% battery
May 17 21:02:12 <g00s> and, stuff didn't shut down right
May 17 21:02:18 <capella> well, that's how opensource projects get financing when ads on the newtab page are unavailable
May 17 21:02:28 <g00s> so not only did FF kill my battery with the lid closed, it wouldn't resume session when i started
May 17 21:02:30 <g00s> such a troll
May 17 21:03:36 <g00s> capella thats not such a bad idea; during idle times let mozilla mine bitcoin :)
May 17 21:05:09 <capella> i bet people would even allow that given the options ... mmmm .... maybe I'll suggest it around :D
May 17 21:07:21 <Napalm> back
May 17 21:08:16 <Napalm> g00s: no not seen it, but i heard about it.. doesn't really interest me
May 17 21:08:47 <Napalm> back later
May 17 21:37:06 <jamesson> could somebody tell me please, what happens exactly when the bluetooth device is selected here? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/development/+/25b6aed7b2e01ce7bdc0dfa1a79eaf009ad178fe/samples/BluetoothChat/src/com/example/android/BluetoothChat/DeviceListActivity.java
May 17 22:17:03 <jamesson> could somebody tell me please, what happens exactly when the bluetooth device is selected here? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/development/+/25b6aed7b2e01ce7bdc0dfa1a79eaf009ad178fe/samples/BluetoothChat/src/com/example/android/BluetoothChat/DeviceListActivity.java
May 17 22:22:37 <jamesson> anybody see this anywhere in the docs? EXTRA_DEVICE_ADDRESS
May 17 22:43:13 <jamesson> could somebody tell me please, what happens exactly when the bluetooth device is selected here? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/development/+/25b6aed7b2e01ce7bdc0dfa1a79eaf009ad178fe/samples/BluetoothChat/src/com/example/android/BluetoothChat/DeviceListActivity.java
May 17 22:56:54 <WantToCode> Why are there so many types of touch and gesture listeners? Is there any significant difference between them for an event like scrolling up?
May 17 23:51:04 <ejcweb> I notice that when I call startAnimation for a View, if the View is initially not visible (for example, it's parent View might be hidden), then the animation will only begin when the View becomes visible.
May 17 23:51:13 <ejcweb> Is this documented anywhere?
May 18 00:01:22 <CTCB> How do I add the NDK directory as a PATH environment variable?
May 18 00:05:27 <CTCB> I need to have Android's NDK as an environment variable, apparently.
May 18 00:48:39 <viovu> what news?
May 18 00:49:44 <viovu> Don't reinvent the wheel.
May 18 00:50:58 <viovu> but if I went back in time and inventescape the wheel before it was suppose to be invented, would it still be reinventing?  we need new words for time travel
May 18 00:51:27 <viovu> unreventing I think is a good time travel word
May 18 00:52:27 <viovu> inventiscape = invent
May 18 01:11:42 <CTCB> How do I add the NDK directory as a PATH environment variable?
May 18 01:11:45 <CTCB> I need to have Android's NDK as an environment variable, apparently.
May 18 01:13:22 <heNNa-> export NDK_HOME yourPathToTheNDK
May 18 01:14:34 <heNNa-> for PATH: export PATH=${PATH}:/your/path/to/NDK
May 18 01:16:03 <CTCB> Do I do that in Command Prompt?
May 18 01:16:52 <heNNa-> if you need it "Just now" yes
May 18 01:17:05 <heNNa-> if you need it more than once add it to your bash profile
May 18 01:17:19 <heNNa-> ~/.bash_profile probably
May 18 01:17:41 <CTCB> I need to run ndk-build.cmd in my Program Folder. And it won't work, because it can't find the NDK.
May 18 01:17:51 <heNNa-> uh windoze?
May 18 01:17:56 <viovu> anyone that explain time me how to make an sqllite database on pc for android
May 18 01:18:29 <viovu> been reading about metadata and _id field
May 18 01:18:50 <CTCB> heNNa-: Yes, it's Windows.
May 18 01:19:24 <heNNa-> http://www.nextofwindows.com/how-to-addedit-environment-variables-in-windows-7/
May 18 01:21:20 <viovu> my computer-] properties 》 system settings
May 18 01:21:32 <viovu> environment variables
May 18 01:22:53 <Leeds> aw, windows... bless.
May 18 01:27:04 <viovu> I want to make just another bible app
May 18 01:27:11 <viovu> jaba
May 18 01:27:25 <CTCB> heNNa-: Even though I've done that, it's still fails.
May 18 02:56:36 <jbendes> @all is there a way to grab a snapshot of an RTSP stream?
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