**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 02:59:58 2014
Jun 14 03:02:10 <LuxuryMode> DallasG I'm trying to use OkHttp and apparently it depends on Okio. I've added Okio, but still get "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com.squareup.okhttp.internal.http.RetryableSink"
Jun 14 03:02:34 <DallasG> I'd avoid using the RC
Jun 14 03:02:40 <JakeWharton> Why?
Jun 14 03:03:01 <DallasG> because it's an RC
Jun 14 03:03:12 <LuxuryMode> It's stable though...
Jun 14 03:03:19 <JakeWharton> Which means it could be promoted to a proper release.
Jun 14 03:03:35 <DallasG> I suppose it could
Jun 14 03:03:36 <JakeWharton> And if you avoid it, you'll never know if it works or not.
Jun 14 03:03:45 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton since you're here, could you assist? :)
Jun 14 03:03:59 <JakeWharton> So you'll defer any problems and cause us problems having to fix things post release!
Jun 14 03:04:22 <LuxuryMode> I've added both jars and clicked to "add as library", but no dice.
Jun 14 03:05:00 <JakeWharton> Don't think you've added them properly then
Jun 14 03:05:04 <DallasG> I'd say I don't tend to use bleeding edge, but that's not really true… but generally I personally wouldn't use something that's an RC for my company's released product
Jun 14 03:05:48 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton what am I doing wrong?
Jun 14 03:05:57 <JakeWharton> I have no idea
Jun 14 03:06:11 <LuxuryMode> "Failed resolving Lcom/squareup/okhttp/internal/http/RetryableSink; interface 980 'Lokio/Sink;'"
Jun 14 03:06:19 <LuxuryMode> is clicking to add both as a lib the correct way?
Jun 14 03:06:27 <JakeWharton> Well there's your answer, Okio wasn't included.
Jun 14 03:07:06 <LuxuryMode> I have them both in my deps: http://take.ms/rvm6f
Jun 14 03:10:07 <DallasG> what does your build.gradle look like?
Jun 14 03:10:23 <LuxuryMode> lemme check. last time i did android dev, i wasnt using grale
Jun 14 03:10:25 <LuxuryMode> gradle*
Jun 14 03:10:29 <LuxuryMode> been a couple years :)
Jun 14 03:11:05 <DallasG> you don't need to add each lib, btw, it looks like you're already including all *.jar from libs/
Jun 14 03:11:11 <LuxuryMode> DallasG: http://take.ms/oTK0s
Jun 14 03:11:30 <LuxuryMode> DallasG yeah you're right I see fileTree(dir: 'libs'...)
Jun 14 03:11:31 <DallasG> I don't use the GUI, so not 100% on how it works
Jun 14 03:12:59 <DallasG> try removing the two .jar lines
Jun 14 03:13:06 <DallasG> and then run Tools > Android > Sync…
Jun 14 03:13:11 <DallasG> and then run
Jun 14 03:13:30 <DallasG> I'm not sure off-hand how gradle might handle those duplicates anyhow
Jun 14 03:14:14 <LuxuryMode> DallasG looks like sync did the trick there. Thansk
Jun 14 03:15:21 <DallasG> I don't know what might be the 'best practice' but I prefer to manually list each dep (instead of a filetree) as it makes the dep list more transparent
Jun 14 03:16:48 <DallasG> per chance, did you happen to notice something like this at the top of your IDE? https://www.dropbox.com/s/yg9gt6c1tg769eg/Screenshot%202014-06-13%2023.16.28.png
Jun 14 03:16:48 <LuxuryMode> yeah that makes sense
Jun 14 03:16:59 <DallasG> seems weird to me that AS wouldn't auto-sync using that GUI…
Jun 14 03:17:00 <LuxuryMode> nope, never saw that
Jun 14 03:18:14 <JakeWharton> If you're using Gradle don't download jars!
Jun 14 03:18:46 <DallasG> [unless you have to]
Jun 14 03:18:54 <LuxuryMode> hmm, this is a brand new project and getting exceptions about inflating xml files
Jun 14 03:18:55 <JakeWharton> Well, yeah
Jun 14 03:18:57 <DallasG> lol
Jun 14 03:19:01 <JakeWharton> But we ship to central
Jun 14 03:19:10 <DallasG> …and thanks for that
Jun 14 03:19:18 <LuxuryMode> oh right, i can use the maven artifact?
Jun 14 03:19:33 <JakeWharton> Yeah. And it will resolve the transitive dependency for you.
Jun 14 03:23:00 <LuxuryMode> This the right way to do it? http://take.ms/Nr8AC
Jun 14 03:23:09 <LuxuryMode> oh i didnt need to add okio if i use gradle?
Jun 14 03:25:05 <JakeWharton> right
Jun 14 03:25:32 <LuxuryMode> hmm, still NoClassDefFoundError
Jun 14 03:25:34 <JakeWharton> yes, but i'd use the shorter syntax like the support library
Jun 14 03:26:11 <LuxuryMode> so theres two build.gradle files, which one am i supposed to be adding this to?
Jun 14 03:26:56 <DammitJim> why is my icon showing up as just the android guy?
Jun 14 03:27:08 <DammitJim> is it because I haven't signed my app?
Jun 14 03:28:21 <LuxuryMode> well, this sucks...
Jun 14 03:30:39 <JakeWharton> LuxuryMode: the one for the app
Jun 14 03:30:49 <JakeWharton> the one that has apply plugin: 'android'
Jun 14 03:30:59 <LuxuryMode> JakeWharton thanks. thats the one i did
Jun 14 03:31:14 <LuxuryMode> still getting that error. Any ideas on what else might be wrong?
Jun 14 03:43:29 <jaspertheghost> hello how could i go about deserializing a javascript object in java android  ….. &data1=stuff&data2=stuffmore   (not just parsing it on & but actual functions/libriaies used...
Jun 14 04:09:54 <bankai_au> jaspertheghost: what you've describe there are GET vars, nothing related to js or json
Jun 14 04:10:52 <jaspertheghost> JSON.stringify($(“form1”).serializeArray())
Jun 14 04:11:29 <jaspertheghost> .serialize returns GET var type … the above lets me convert it the way i want too
Jun 14 05:10:23 <g00s> Leeds you around ?
Jun 14 05:15:34 <capella> not for a WP user >:)
Jun 14 05:16:33 <capella> ah Rust, yet another language to learn ;)
Jun 14 05:17:16 <g00s> lol, i thought he might have a suggestion for a good linux live cd. is knoppix still the bees knees ?
Jun 14 05:18:06 <g00s> hasn't been updated in a while
Jun 14 05:24:02 <g00s> capella the more i play with WP i notice missing features, but i bet a lot have been fixed in 8.1
Jun 14 05:24:23 <g00s> i find its simplicity alluring though
Jun 14 05:24:45 <g00s> but, the clock app doesn't have a stopwatch or timer, for example … ugh
Jun 14 05:25:21 <capella> there's a conflict with a servo lib and the x11/extensions .... but I don't see that I have glfw packages installed?
Jun 14 05:25:24 <capella> craps
Jun 14 05:25:35 <Demon_Jester> I have been stuck on this problem for 2 days, and I still cannot solve my alarmmanger problem, I made post on stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24196890/android-schedule-task-to-execute-at-specific-time-daily and the guy who was helping me, I tried the piece of code he suggests, and I still cannot get it to work
Jun 14 05:25:38 <Demon_Jester> please help D:
Jun 14 05:26:07 <capella> and I meant .header not lib :D
Jun 14 05:50:38 <capella> well Servo for Android can build, package, install and run ... but there's a bug and I can't get it to hit the network !? Guess Chrome can relax :(
Jun 14 07:18:22 <marrrk> I still can’t get over the testing stuff.
Jun 14 07:18:38 <Nilium> Android is allergic to testing.
Jun 14 07:18:57 <Nilium> Or at least allergic to its own testing.
Jun 14 07:24:56 <marrrk> I don’t understand why Google doesn’t seem to give a shit about that.
Jun 14 07:28:14 <altcp> why is it allergic to testing?
Jun 14 07:31:26 <marrrk> altcp: Have you ever tried testing anything on Android?
Jun 14 07:32:05 <altcp> I'm a beginner dev, a complaint I could make is that it's kinda hard to debug (more specifically, to see which line caused an error..)
Jun 14 07:32:20 <altcp> (using eclipse)
Jun 14 07:32:29 <marrrk> Don’t use eclipse.
Jun 14 07:32:38 <altcp> what's the alternative?
Jun 14 07:32:46 <marrrk> Anything.
Jun 14 07:32:56 <marrrk> But the best one probably is IntelliJ
Jun 14 07:33:22 <canvs2321> best is to learn how to use and read logcat
Jun 14 07:34:10 <altcp> idd, most of the time I got the error out of that ;)
Jun 14 07:34:20 <altcp> marrrk: is that 100% free?
Jun 14 07:34:28 <marrrk> Community Edition is.
Jun 14 07:34:56 <marrrk> Has anybody tried Robospock? robospock.org ?
Jun 14 07:35:14 <altcp> ok thanks I'll look into it
Jun 14 07:35:51 <canvs2321> altcp: if your app crashes from an exception, the stacktrace in logcat tells you exact line #, so you just aren't utilizing your tools correctly
Jun 14 07:36:41 <altcp> I'd think so too, but sometimes I can't find any indiciation of my own code
Jun 14 07:37:12 <canvs2321> then i'm pretty sure using a different IDE won't help that. you have to learn debugging
Jun 14 07:37:16 <altcp> might be because I haven't looked hard enough.. :p
Jun 14 07:37:55 <canvs2321> logcat viewed on eclipse or anyother IDE will have the exact same outputs, unless you set flags to logcat
Jun 14 07:38:00 <marrrk> Well the IDE will help with that since any line that stems from your code will be a hyperlink into your code, thus blue and easier to see.
Jun 14 07:38:27 <altcp> well the reason this conversation started is because testing would be hard..
Jun 14 07:38:29 <canvs2321> or just learn to read logcat and not rely so heavy on blue
Jun 14 07:38:49 <canvs2321> you can filter etc...it's totally customizable to view logcat
Jun 14 07:39:41 <canvs2321> per process, per v/i/e/d/etc...can filter everything, or view everything. it's all there :/ but if it all looks like a garbled mess, then you need to learn the output of logcat
Jun 14 07:40:41 <marrrk> altcp: What helps a great deal usually if you have a crash is to filter the logcat output to only display log level Error and above.
Jun 14 07:41:32 <canvs2321> or you can set it to filter only errors/logs associated with your app package etc...
Jun 14 07:41:41 <marrrk> Yeah, that would be the next step.
Jun 14 07:41:45 <altcp> I see.. thanks for the help
Jun 14 07:42:03 <altcp> I suppose I've been 'spoiled' by visual studio regarding debugging :P
Jun 14 07:42:26 <marrrk> You can do the same kind of debugging in IntelliJ, I think.
Jun 14 07:42:37 <marrrk> If what you mean is setting breakpoints and stepping through your code.
Jun 14 07:43:13 <marrrk> Probably also can in Eclipse.
Jun 14 07:43:15 <altcp> breakpoints isn't a problem in eclipse afaik
Jun 14 07:43:30 <marrrk> Everything is a problem in Eclipse, just look at it.
Jun 14 07:43:31 <canvs2321> I agree Eclipse can be a pain in the ass, i've moved on awhile ago from it, but for your complaint about it it isn't necessarily related to Eclipse as much as not understanding Logcat. But maybe check out Android Studio, i've had WAY less errors with it
Jun 14 07:44:00 <marrrk> Android Studio is just a stripped down, green version of Intellij.
Jun 14 07:55:31 <marrrk> canvs2321: Can you actually help me to get any logcat output when running a test?
Jun 14 07:58:24 <marrrk> Ah, now it works.
Jun 14 07:58:27 <marrrk> weird.
Jun 14 08:30:45 <prishabh> What kind of code is this `public class ListViewLoader extends ListActivity implements LoaderManager.LoaderCallbacks<Cursor> {` - I'm specifically referring to `<Cursor>`
Jun 14 08:32:33 <Mavrik> generics.
Jun 14 08:36:42 <prishabh> will google that, thanks
Jun 14 08:57:38 <marrrk> So is it still necessary to have two xml blocks in the manifest for instrumentation tests?
Jun 14 09:29:10 <gdrc> what do you use guys to see the your app database? adb push its a long process
Jun 14 09:30:16 <marrrk> gdrc: Why not pull?
Jun 14 09:32:48 <gdrc> yes pull, my mistake
Jun 14 09:33:08 <gdrc> is not a tool that automatize that?
Jun 14 09:35:43 <marrrk> gdrc: Probably only if your device is rooted
Jun 14 09:36:10 <marrrk> From what I understand, the place where the sqlite file is stored is not accessible from the outside.
Jun 14 09:36:18 <marrrk> But is pull actually really so bad?
Jun 14 09:36:23 <marrrk> What OS are you on?
Jun 14 09:41:22 <marrrk> The testing is hard.
Jun 14 09:47:18 <MohammadAG> Where exactly should I (un)register BroadcastReceivers in fragments?
Jun 14 09:59:15 <gdrc> marrrk, note 10.1 2k14
Jun 14 09:59:21 <gdrc> i cant root it
Jun 14 10:00:18 <marrrk> I mean couldn’t you just make a little script that just contains „adb pull /data/data…db.sqlite/ .“ ?
Jun 14 10:01:26 <marrrk> gdrc
Jun 14 10:03:32 <gdrc> yes that's what I'll will do probably
Jun 14 10:05:01 <gdrc> marrrk, do you ever used play store private channel?
Jun 14 10:05:20 <marrrk> No I haven’t.
Jun 14 10:07:39 <gdrc> I have to distribute my app to 50 people ( 50 note 10.1 ). I'm looking for a way to install the app and guarantee updates. the fastest way is the URL to the raw apk for first instal
Jun 14 10:07:47 <gdrc> lation
Jun 14 10:10:26 <yaw> any idea on when Nexus 6 comes out this year? I’m contemplating waiting
Jun 14 10:12:30 <marrrk> gdrc: Why don’t you just put it on the play store?
Jun 14 10:13:35 <gdrc> marrrk, che updates are not immediate and I dont want other people can download my app
Jun 14 10:14:21 <marrrk> Yeah, I don’t know then.
Jun 14 10:17:16 <friendlyguy> hi there. has someone tried to work with "OUTPUT_FORMAT_RTP_AVP" aka 7 with mediarecorder?
Jun 14 10:17:27 <friendlyguy> i found this thread:
Jun 14 10:17:27 <friendlyguy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13754806/possibility-of-a-rtsp-server-on-a-android-device
Jun 14 10:17:49 <friendlyguy> and I've tried to figure out how this works
Jun 14 10:20:12 <friendlyguy> but i failed to figure out how to control / start streaming
Jun 14 10:20:39 <friendlyguy> he mentioned to setpro streaming.ip and streaming.port... i didn't find those properties
Jun 14 10:27:35 <pawell> Do you know maybe what is the format of image in method onPictureTaken(byte[] data,Camera camera) ?
Jun 14 10:27:38 <friendlyguy> anybody willing to help?
Jun 14 10:27:55 <friendlyguy> i also tried to find that property via adb root shell
Jun 14 10:28:14 <friendlyguy> getprop didn't list something like streaming.ip
Jun 14 10:43:48 <LighterFluid> any of you guys active? i got a question
Jun 14 10:44:27 <sabton> TIP: If you ever get NullPointerException, maybe sure you are not referring to an object that is null!!!
Jun 14 10:44:35 <sabton> *make
Jun 14 10:45:01 <sabton> took me like 4 hours to figure this out last nite
Jun 14 10:45:05 <sabton> hope it helps someone else
Jun 14 10:45:15 <SinnerNyx> So I'm making my own button styles. I've created a style just for buttons and set <item name="android:buttonStyle"> on the main apptheme to it. Everything is going fine, but I don't have any "pressed" styling capabilities it seems. Do I have to change the button to pressed programmatically is there some better way to change the style for pressed buttons?
Jun 14 10:45:17 <LighterFluid> but it says in the name of the exception thats the problem
Jun 14 10:45:23 <LighterFluid> nullpointerexception
Jun 14 10:45:29 <LighterFluid> pretty obvious what the issue is
Jun 14 10:45:37 <sabton> LighterFluid: hmmm, interesting point
Jun 14 10:45:45 <sabton> LighterFluid: wish I had noticed that earlier!
Jun 14 10:46:03 <LighterFluid> thinking usually works well
Jun 14 10:46:11 <yoavst> I'm using gradle assembleRelease and it says: Error:Execution failed for task ':app:packageRelease'.
Jun 14 10:46:11 <yoavst> > Failed to read key mykey from store "C:\Users\Yoav\Documents\pazam-android\pazam.keystore": Keystore was tampered with, or password was incorrect
Jun 14 10:46:28 <LighterFluid> here's a tip from me
Jun 14 10:46:31 <sabton> here's another:
Jun 14 10:46:32 <LighterFluid> when you get an error message, just google it
Jun 14 10:46:35 <sabton> TIP: If you ever get java.util.ConcurrentModificationException, make sure you do not modify same thing in multiple threads!
Jun 14 10:46:45 <LighterFluid> chances are, someone else has encountered it before and a solution has been found
Jun 14 10:46:47 <yoavst> I checked the pass using keytool and the pass if fine
Jun 14 10:47:19 <friendlyguy> i seriously need help getting a livestream from device a's camera to device b.
Jun 14 10:48:09 <friendlyguy> i manually set the property streaming.ip in the meantime... but this didn't helü
Jun 14 10:48:10 <friendlyguy> p
Jun 14 10:48:36 <LighterFluid> everyone needs help, but no one seems to be offering any
Jun 14 10:48:43 <friendlyguy> :)
Jun 14 10:48:43 <LighterFluid> what happened to my internet?
Jun 14 10:48:50 <LighterFluid> back in the day, everyone was willing to help out
Jun 14 10:48:50 <friendlyguy> i would help if i could ;)
Jun 14 10:48:55 <LighterFluid> when forums were a thing
Jun 14 10:49:10 <LighterFluid> nowdays you cant find help online, people just dont care
Jun 14 10:49:19 <LighterFluid> culture in decline if you ask me
Jun 14 10:49:29 <friendlyguy> thats no true... but you need to search harder ;)
Jun 14 10:49:37 <sabton> IRC has always been a toilet
Jun 14 10:49:44 <sabton> this is a particularly nice place
Jun 14 10:50:03 <LighterFluid> im not referring to IRC
Jun 14 10:50:10 <sabton> oh ok
Jun 14 10:50:30 <LighterFluid> just seems as though people are far less inclined to offer help nowdays
Jun 14 10:50:38 <sabton> stackoverflow is more helpful than any forum ever was
Jun 14 10:50:50 <friendlyguy> <-crying
Jun 14 10:50:57 <friendlyguy> ^^
Jun 14 10:50:59 <LighterFluid> yeah, but you cant open a thread for every dumb question you have
Jun 14 10:51:03 <LighterFluid> and i have so many dumb questions
Jun 14 10:51:17 <sabton> ahh
Jun 14 10:51:26 <friendlyguy> ^^
Jun 14 10:51:29 <sabton> dumb questions are obsolete though
Jun 14 10:51:35 <LighterFluid> thats what i hate about programming, i get high and envision what the app will look like and in my head is so simple and functional
Jun 14 10:51:35 <sabton> with the invention of Google
Jun 14 10:51:51 <LighterFluid> but then you gotta deal with all these little things that end up putting me off from doing anything
Jun 14 10:52:21 <sabton> all programmers deal with that, patience is a virtue
Jun 14 10:52:37 <LighterFluid> yeah, i know, thats when i realized that i might not be suited for this profession
Jun 14 10:53:10 * flan3002 wants to know what the conversation was about.
Jun 14 10:53:23 <LighterFluid> so many things...
Jun 14 10:53:49 <LighterFluid> we tackled some serious issues human face during their lifespan
Jun 14 10:54:06 <flan3002> Sounds interesting!
Jun 14 10:54:19 <LighterFluid> at this point, it sounds repetitive to me
Jun 14 10:55:17 <sabton> LighterFluid android in particular has been 1 question mark after the next, sometimes issues go on for days or even weeks
Jun 14 10:55:25 <sabton> you stay committed, you work it out, you move on
Jun 14 10:55:28 <sabton> patience
Jun 14 10:55:41 <gdrc> how can I update the build tool?
Jun 14 10:55:42 <LighterFluid> im aware of this
Jun 14 10:55:54 <LighterFluid> its just that im arrogant enough to convince myself that i'd be better off doing something else
Jun 14 10:56:45 <flan3002> LighterFluid: Something else as in 'not programming' or something else as in 'not Android'?
Jun 14 10:56:55 <LighterFluid> not programming
Jun 14 10:57:04 <LighterFluid> i might end up a poker player
Jun 14 10:57:45 <flan3002> The question must be where you end up one year after you became a poker player.
Jun 14 10:58:23 <LighterFluid> at higher limits, hopefully
Jun 14 10:58:29 <LighterFluid> making more cash than i did last year
Jun 14 10:58:44 <flan3002> So it's only about money for you? O.o
Jun 14 10:58:53 <LighterFluid> no, its about enjoying what i do
Jun 14 10:59:39 <flan3002> So, you don't enjoy programming...
Jun 14 10:59:51 <flan3002> That makes me wonder how
Jun 14 11:00:03 <gdrc> MinApi:19 . I love it :D
Jun 14 11:00:28 <flan3002> That makes me wonder how long you've been doing it and what you don't like about it specifically.
Jun 14 11:00:37 <LighterFluid> well right now i have this issue and i dont know where to turn to
Jun 14 11:00:42 <LighterFluid> i dont like being stuck constantly
Jun 14 11:01:12 <flan3002> Oh, I had lots of issues. Sometimes I gave up and did something else and later came back to the issue.
Jun 14 11:01:51 <flan3002> And there are always areas where nobody did something before and which you got to explore...
Jun 14 11:02:10 <flan3002> But I don't know about the nature of your issue, so I can't really tell something about it.
Jun 14 11:02:22 <LighterFluid> alright, ill try to put it into words
Jun 14 11:02:26 <LighterFluid> pour my heart out
Jun 14 11:02:40 <flan3002> Maybe just the topic?
Jun 14 11:02:43 <LighterFluid> this is the main issue im having, the one im having right now
Jun 14 11:02:48 <LighterFluid> i want to do something
Jun 14 11:02:50 <LighterFluid> but i dont know how
Jun 14 11:02:58 <LighterFluid> and i dont know who to consult
Jun 14 11:03:09 <flan3002> Well, what do you want to do?
Jun 14 11:03:29 <LighterFluid> i got a listview and i want to register onclicklistener to every item
Jun 14 11:03:36 <LighterFluid> listview with arrayadapter
Jun 14 11:03:43 <flan3002> And that's not working?
Jun 14 11:03:52 <LighterFluid> i dont know how to do it
Jun 14 11:04:05 <LighterFluid> what is the object to which im supposed to register the event
Jun 14 11:04:16 <LighterFluid> its not the listview, it's its children
Jun 14 11:04:17 <LighterFluid> the items
Jun 14 11:04:22 <LighterFluid> but how do i access them?
Jun 14 11:04:54 <flan3002> Have you googled that?
Jun 14 11:05:05 <LighterFluid> honestly, no
Jun 14 11:05:51 <LighterFluid> and i just found a solution
Jun 14 11:05:53 <flan3002> You should have. There are tons of examples on the internet about such basic stuff. On StackOverflow, on GitHub, everywhere.
Jun 14 11:05:56 <LighterFluid> the fuck is wrong with me
Jun 14 11:05:59 <AllTuna> Hey guys
Jun 14 11:06:15 <LighterFluid> hey guy
Jun 14 11:06:38 <AllTuna> How exactly would I create an image which could be used as the background for all different android screen resolutions and sizes
Jun 14 11:06:47 <AllTuna> Surely they'd look different on every size
Jun 14 11:07:05 <LighterFluid> as far as i know, you cant use the same one
Jun 14 11:07:14 <LighterFluid> you got those folders in resources
Jun 14 11:07:26 <LighterFluid> ldpi, mdpi, hdpi...
Jun 14 11:07:32 <LighterFluid> make one for each, i think thats how its done
Jun 14 11:07:43 <LighterFluid> but im not quite sure
Jun 14 11:07:50 <AllTuna> So, I'd create the same image, simply with different PPI?
Jun 14 11:08:19 <flan3002> You can use one image that has a high resolution and use that for every density. It will work, but if you downscale it beforehand, it has the chance to look better than when Android downscales it.
Jun 14 11:08:21 <LighterFluid> basically, yes
Jun 14 11:08:37 <Keestu> Hello,  is there any relationship between surfaceflinger sending signal to boot animation to stop, and launching Home screen ?
Jun 14 11:08:38 <LighterFluid> what flan says
Jun 14 11:09:05 <SinnerNyx> Ok, in colors I've defined button_bg and button_bg_pressed, and I now have a selector in my drawables called "apptheme_buttons.xml" with a pressed and focused state set to button_bg_pressed, and an unfocused, unpressed set to button_bg. However my button's are showing button_bg color but not updating to pressed...
Jun 14 11:09:17 <flan3002> Keestu: I know nothing about that stuff, but have you looked at the source?
Jun 14 11:11:19 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: But you set the background of these buttons to that drawable, right?
Jun 14 11:12:03 <Keestu> flan3002,  yes, looking at the source code , but not getting the clarity.
Jun 14 11:12:32 <flan3002> Keestu: Why do you need to know about it?
Jun 14 11:13:30 <Keestu> i m understanding how the system works, so that i can reduce the boot time
Jun 14 11:14:38 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: correct. I know that works because changing the button_bg in color.xml changes the button color. Only the button_bg_pressed never gets set.
Jun 14 11:15:11 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: Show me your drawable.
Jun 14 11:15:46 <flan3002> Keestu: Seriously? Don't you think the AOSP engineers did a good a job about it? Are you working on your own ROM or why do you want this?
Jun 14 11:15:48 <AllTuna> flan3002, greeeeaaaatt. Just spent like 10 hours working on some graphics in 72ppi
Jun 14 11:16:04 <AllTuna> with the scaling with they look roughly the same, i.e whats shown on screen
Jun 14 11:16:47 <flan3002> AllTuna: It's better if you downscale them, because it does make a difference if you got super detailed icons, but most of the time you'll get away just fine without them...
Jun 14 11:16:59 <flan3002> Also, it saves some space for your .apk.
Jun 14 11:17:43 <AllTuna> How big should I be making these images
Jun 14 11:17:45 <Keestu> flan3002,   yes, i am working on board purchsed from http://www.e-consystems.com/
Jun 14 11:17:55 <AllTuna> I meen, if I want a splash screen, how do I know the resolution
Jun 14 11:18:05 <SinnerNyx> flan3002 should I just paste it here?
Jun 14 11:18:23 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: No! Please use gist or ix.
Jun 14 11:18:29 * flan3002 prefers gist.
Jun 14 11:18:59 <Keestu> flan3002,   no doubt AOSP engineers did a good job only.  But then, why not still learning it ?
Jun 14 11:19:45 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: https://gist.github.com/0sinner/ec8e5f561dc8d994cdec
Jun 14 11:19:47 <flan3002> Well, why so? I can't/won't help you with that, but you're free to search for someone else...
Jun 14 11:21:20 <friendlyguy> sorry to ask again, but still fighting with it: streaming video from one device to another via rtp using mediarecorder output format 7 (OUTPUT_FORMAT_RTP_AVP)
Jun 14 11:21:46 <friendlyguy> somebody in here did that?
Jun 14 11:22:23 <flan3002> AllTuna: Well, what about the highest solution you want to support? Of course, for a splashscreen you might get some serious issues if you try to load and downscale a 2560X1600 on a low-end device.
Jun 14 11:23:58 <AllTuna> Then how would I do it to support all resolutions
Jun 14 11:25:35 <flan3002> AllTuna: We are speaking of a splash-screen?
Jun 14 11:25:45 <AllTuna> a splash screen, anything
Jun 14 11:25:47 <AllTuna> my whole app
Jun 14 11:26:09 <AllTuna> Is the goal not to support as many devices as possible?
Jun 14 11:26:22 <AllTuna> I dont want to not support high res screens
Jun 14 11:27:17 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: I didn't find a mistake, tested it and it works...
Jun 14 11:27:47 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: Weird.. Does it make a difference that my minsdkversion is 8?
Jun 14 11:28:03 <fBirD> AllTuna, maybe you will find your answer here http://petrnohejl.github.io/Android-Cheatsheet-For-Graphic-Designers/
Jun 14 11:28:09 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: My test layout file: <Button android:layout_width="match_parent" android:layout_height="100dp" android:background="@drawable/button"/>
Jun 14 11:28:16 <flan3002> No,not that one..
Jun 14 11:28:57 <AllTuna> fBirD, the values dont help me, I dont understand the concept of supporting multiple resolutions
Jun 14 11:28:58 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: This one: https://gist.github.com/9a6b869b00705442d4a5
Jun 14 11:29:00 <Keestu> flan3002, so ultimately trying to understand android framework  :)
Jun 14 11:30:00 <fBirD> AllTuna, by concepts you mean?
Jun 14 11:30:57 <flan3002> AllTuna: Basically, Android will rescale your images for you if you load them as a Drawable from your resources. However, loading a 2560 by 1600 image and downscaling it requires more memory and more time than just loading and displaying an image with the correct resolution.
Jun 14 11:31:38 <fBirD> flan3002, and the look and feel its a bit different.
Jun 14 11:31:44 <flan3002> Which might trouble you with memory problems on old devices.
Jun 14 11:31:47 <SinnerNyx> flan3002, ya that didn't work for me... weird.. I'll try to play with it a bit more.
Jun 14 11:32:03 <AllTuna> flan3002, so what would you do
Jun 14 11:32:20 <AllTuna> You're developing a new app, what image sizes do you create
Jun 14 11:32:25 <AllTuna> how do you design your UI
Jun 14 11:32:26 <flan3002> AllTuna: I would not have a splash-screen. That easy.
Jun 14 11:32:39 <AllTuna> Its not just about a splash screen though
Jun 14 11:32:54 <AllTuna> all images have to be relative to the size of the screen
Jun 14 11:32:58 <AllTuna> in every app?
Jun 14 11:34:09 <flan3002> I mainly use stock icons and create very simple icons myself. These already are prescaled, so I just copy them around. I rescale my own images as well, but it's not strictly necessary. It depends.
Jun 14 11:34:29 <flan3002> You could use vector icons, but I ran into some problems with those...
Jun 14 11:34:40 <flan3002> Also, they are more expensive to draw...
Jun 14 11:35:12 <flan3002> AllTuna: If you still want a splash screen, please read this: http://cyrilmottier.com/2012/05/03/splash-screens-are-evil-dont-use-them/
Jun 14 11:37:36 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: I think the issue is in my styles.xml file. Could you have a look through it? I was not setting the background to "@drawable/apptheme_buttons" directly in the activity layout. Instead I used the following theme: https://gist.github.com/0sinner/3839aa5cf8cb42196ec3
Jun 14 11:38:12 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: if I set the background directly in the layout xml and remove the line setting buttonStyle from the styles.xml it works.
Jun 14 11:38:15 <flan3002> Ugh, styles...
Jun 14 11:38:23 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: lol, bad idea?
Jun 14 11:38:25 * flan3002 does not like styles.
Jun 14 11:39:24 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: Have you set it directly for testing?
Jun 14 11:39:52 <SinnerNyx> Well, like I said, if I set it directly and remove the line setting "buttonStyle" from styles.xml, everything works perfect.
Jun 14 11:40:14 <SinnerNyx> for that one button
Jun 14 11:40:37 * flan3002 doesn't touch styles until absolutely necessary.
Jun 14 11:41:53 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: But you set the activity to that theme, right?
Jun 14 11:42:01 <flan3002> In the manifest...
Jun 14 11:42:54 <SinnerNyx> The application has android:theme="@style/AppTheme" . The activity should inherit that, right?
Jun 14 11:43:32 <SinnerNyx> There is no overriding value in the <activity>
Jun 14 11:43:34 <flan3002> Don't rely on it if you don't about it. Try to set it explicitly.
Jun 14 11:43:40 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: will do
Jun 14 11:43:43 <flan3002> *don't know about it
Jun 14 11:45:07 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: Still no joy. It is worth mentioning that changing the colors in colors.xml for button_bg works, and that should only work if the AppTheme is being applied.
Jun 14 11:48:13 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: setting the style of one of the buttons directly to "@style/AppTheme.Buttons" works fine.
Jun 14 11:48:56 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: As long as I don't set a "buttonStyle" in my theme all seems to work. I guess it's a bug (feature?) with the individual typeStyle attributes and the way styles are applied to them?
Jun 14 11:49:22 <flan3002> SinnerNyx: I don't know. Could be it...
Jun 14 11:57:12 <SinnerNyx> flan3002: I got it working. Not sure why but setting buttonStyle appears to make the button's clickable attribute false! So I added clickable with true in AppTheme.Buttons
Jun 14 11:57:20 <SinnerNyx> flan3002, thanks for helping me figure it out.
Jun 14 12:02:43 <LighterFluid> anyone getting this message in logcat: error opening trace file: No such file or directory (2)
Jun 14 12:02:48 <LighterFluid> what causes this?
Jun 14 12:03:10 <flan3002> Do you have the correct permission?
Jun 14 12:03:37 <LighterFluid> i left the default ones
Jun 14 12:03:46 <LighterFluid> just made a new project to test something out and this popped out
Jun 14 12:03:58 <LighterFluid> i was just using arrayadapter with listview
Jun 14 12:04:00 <flan3002> Oh what are talking about?
Jun 14 12:04:02 <LighterFluid> do i need some permission for that?
Jun 14 12:04:08 <flan3002> No, I misread it.
Jun 14 12:14:22 <peyam> Hi
Jun 14 12:14:42 <peyam> Can anyone simply explain to me when you use Try and catch? in a very simple english
Jun 14 12:14:56 <peyam> I seen many tutorials and still not get when to use it
Jun 14 12:15:03 <flan3002> Have you googled it?
Jun 14 12:15:44 <flan3002> It's really not hard to understand: You use it when you call methods that can throw exceptions and you don't want to allow them to pass up the call-stack.
Jun 14 12:16:06 <flan3002> If you don't use exceptions or don't care about them, you don't yet have to use try/catch.
Jun 14 12:17:54 <SinnerNyx> When I use mediaplayer, in my logcat I see: E/MediaPlayer﹕ Should have subtitle controller already set
Jun 14 12:18:18 <SinnerNyx> What does this error mean? What should I do to indicate that my sound has no need for subtitles?
Jun 14 12:28:33 <prishabh> I was going through a piece of code where I read this `reader.read(charArray);` and that modifies the `charArray`. Shouldn't it be `charArray = reader.read(charArray);` to work proeprly ?
Jun 14 12:31:38 <pluralism> Hi everyone! I'm working with a GridView of images but something is very wrong. When I scroll the GridView it automatically refresh itself. What could be wrong?
Jun 14 12:31:44 <pluralism> Here it's my adapter: https://gist.github.com/pluralism/6567781a27db34575737
Jun 14 12:56:10 <xan_IT> hi, im playing a row using mediaplayer, i want to mute that if phone are in mute, which is the best way?
Jun 14 13:29:43 <funktronic> has anyone recently found android studio to be.. slow ?
Jun 14 13:33:57 <flan3002> I consider IntelliJ slow.
Jun 14 13:34:22 <flan3002> Always did. Same with Eclipse.
Jun 14 13:34:32 * flan3002 is impatient.
Jun 14 13:34:38 <pfn> never slow for me...
Jun 14 13:34:57 <pfn> Get an ssd and more ram
Jun 14 13:38:08 <jug6ernaut> never slow
Jun 14 13:38:33 <jug6ernaut> if u don't have an SSD plus at LEAST 8GB of ram(ideal 16) ur doing it wrong
Jun 14 13:38:35 <funktronic> it's gotten slower since 0.6
Jun 14 13:38:41 <funktronic> it's a brand new MBP
Jun 14 13:38:49 <flan3002> I got a 8GB, but currently using only 1.8GB.
Jun 14 13:38:53 <flan3002> *- a
Jun 14 13:39:41 <jug6ernaut> when u say slow do u mean the build process?
Jun 14 13:39:46 <jug6ernaut> using the ide?
Jun 14 13:40:41 <flan3002> I can't speak for funktronic, but I hate the slow startup.
Jun 14 13:40:49 <flan3002> And the overall sluggishness.
Jun 14 13:41:17 <flan3002> Though I feel like Idea is far better than Eclipse.
Jun 14 13:42:23 <jug6ernaut> what do u call a slow startup?
Jun 14 13:42:36 <flan3002> Everything slower than VIM. :P
Jun 14 13:42:49 <jug6ernaut> ...
Jun 14 13:42:57 <funktronic> startup is pretty fast
Jun 14 13:45:46 <flan3002> Slow is subjective and for me everything is slow where I would hesitate to close the application because of the startup time.
Jun 14 13:46:33 <flan3002> Idea needs quite some seconds for startup, then several more to load the project plus possibly a minute for indexing.
Jun 14 13:47:21 <flan3002> And idea doesn't do well with my window manager, so I can't just let it start up in the background.
Jun 14 13:54:50 <pfn> I never close any app regardless of startup time because startup is always slow
Jun 14 13:54:57 <pfn> that includes gvim
Jun 14 13:57:13 <flan3002> pfn: time gvim -c ':q' takes 1.492 seconds for me. time vim -c ':q' only takes 0.095.
Jun 14 13:57:35 <pfn> indeed
Jun 14 13:57:40 <pfn> too slow
Jun 14 13:57:49 <flan3002> Yes, I don't use gvim.
Jun 14 13:58:06 <flan3002> 0.095 seconds seems tolerable though. :)
Jun 14 13:58:07 <pfn> I use gvim all the time
Jun 14 13:58:22 <pfn> I dislike terminal vim
Jun 14 13:58:25 <flan3002> Why?
Jun 14 13:58:57 <pfn> because I like leaving my terminals available for other use
Jun 14 13:58:59 <Napalm> hey pfn
Jun 14 13:59:18 <flan3002> pfn: Huh? That's a weird thing to say...
Jun 14 13:59:34 <flan3002> Why don't you spawn more terminals then?
Jun 14 14:00:02 <pfn> because I like my terminals 80 columns wide, most of the time
Jun 14 14:00:18 <pfn> and I prefer 3 editors side by side in vim
Jun 14 14:00:35 <Napalm> pfn: how goes? in to another vim battle i see :D
Jun 14 14:00:39 <pfn> Probably biggest reason I dislike running it in a terminal
Jun 14 14:00:51 <flan3002> Napalm: Gvim against Vim this time.
Jun 14 14:01:26 <pfn> anyway, if idea is too slow for you vs vim, just use vim
Jun 14 14:02:16 <flan3002> pfn: Well, that's a self-imposed obstacle. Either you have 80 cols, or three files next to each other. I still don't get to where your problem is.
Jun 14 14:02:38 <flan3002> pfn: You could always open three files in Vim...
Jun 14 14:03:25 <flan3002> No, I use Vim for all other languages, except Java. Java (in combination with Android) just is no fun at all without a proper IDE... Sadly.
Jun 14 14:05:00 <pfn> I never open more than a single terminal window
Jun 14 14:05:22 <pfn> so, no, you can't open 3 vim terminals side by side
Jun 14 14:05:30 <pfn> i
Jun 14 14:05:47 <gdrc> vim in 2014? seriously?
Jun 14 14:06:26 <flan3002> gdrc: Sure, why not?
Jun 14 14:06:32 <flan3002> What do you use?
Jun 14 14:07:01 <gdrc> at the moment android studio
Jun 14 14:07:18 <pfn> vim is perfectly fine for android/java
Jun 14 14:07:39 <gdrc> does it have suggestions?
Jun 14 14:08:13 <[twisti]> anyone know a decent REST client library thatll work on both desktop and android and is as tiny as something like that should be ?
Jun 14 14:08:14 <flan3002> pfn: Opening terminals is terribly convenient for me: MOD4 + Enter for a new instance of st. Dwm instantly reorganizes the layout so that I don't have to. time st -e "vim -c ':q';exit" take 0.082 seconds apparently, so I end up closing and opening terminals all day.
Jun 14 14:08:51 <pfn> No idea what st is, but om
Jun 14 14:08:56 <gdrc> [twisti]: okhttp and retrofit
Jun 14 14:08:58 <pfn> ok
Jun 14 14:09:14 <[twisti]> ill check them out, thanks gdrc
Jun 14 14:09:29 <flan3002> pfn: A virtual terminal, like xterm.
Jun 14 14:13:45 <[twisti]> oh retrofit looks sexy gdrc
Jun 14 14:14:10 <gdrc> [twisti]: I have to figure out how to setup auth
Jun 14 14:14:53 <[twisti]> we are going with token auth anyways so its just another parameter
Jun 14 14:15:48 <gdrc> what about first call?
Jun 14 14:16:08 <[twisti]> getToken(userName, passwordHash0
Jun 14 14:23:45 <pfn> Napalm, actually, I rarely use vim for android now, as ideavim is very good
Jun 14 14:23:59 <pfn> so much better than viplugin in eclipse
Jun 14 14:24:22 <pfn> and I paid for viplugin...
Jun 14 14:26:48 <gdrc> [twisti]: ok
Jun 14 14:27:05 <gdrc> [twisti]: what do you use as webservice?
Jun 14 14:27:34 <[twisti]> wildfly which uses RESTEasy i think
Jun 14 14:29:12 <jvrodrigues> hey guys
Jun 14 14:29:23 <jvrodrigues> is there a way to upload pictures to a webservice like tinypic?
Jun 14 14:29:45 <Leeds> there is network stack, no?
Jun 14 14:31:37 <Napalm> jvrodrigues: yes
Jun 14 14:46:20 <jvrodrigues> Napalm, could you point me to a tutorial?
Jun 14 14:46:33 <jvrodrigues> or to the best service to use this feature
Jun 14 14:47:21 <flan3002> jvrodrigues: What about exploring it?
Jun 14 14:47:47 <jvrodrigues> flan3002, where would i start?
Jun 14 14:49:17 <Leeds> jvrodrigues: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/network-ops/index.html
Jun 14 14:50:19 <jvrodrigues> Leeds, i just noticed i screwed up my question. I just want to know if there is a decent image host that i can use in my android app
Jun 14 14:50:25 <jvrodrigues> not how to upload it myself
Jun 14 14:50:29 <jvrodrigues> i got that covered
Jun 14 14:51:02 <gdrc> is this better ship app with database or create it with the code?
Jun 14 14:52:01 <jvrodrigues> ok i just found imageshack api, this should do t
Jun 14 15:11:04 <flan3002> Yay, artemma! :O
Jun 14 15:11:41 <artemma> Newbie question: I use PreferenceFragment to save preferences, then scheduled service from the same app tries to read it (from another process) and reads the old values unless MainActivity exited already. Is there a way to force saving settings to file?
Jun 14 15:12:05 <flan3002> Call SharedPreferences.Editor.commit() after editing.
Jun 14 15:12:07 * artemma thinks he is okay with programming in general, but only starting with android
Jun 14 15:12:33 <flan3002> Don't use .apply(), it is only in-memory with async commit.
Jun 14 15:12:42 <artemma> Hmm, I am not sure when "after editing" happens
Jun 14 15:12:54 <flan3002> After you changed all values?
Jun 14 15:13:00 <artemma> I inherit from PreferenceFragment and it manages persistence in itself somehow
Jun 14 15:13:09 <flan3002> Oh, I see.
Jun 14 15:13:19 <artemma> I instantite it via getFragmentManager().beginTransaction().replace(android.R.id.content, new PrefsFragment()).commit();
Jun 14 15:13:25 <artemma> instantiate*
Jun 14 15:13:49 <flan3002> So the other process reads settings while the Fragment still shows?
Jun 14 15:13:58 <artemma> nope, it isn't shown anymore
Jun 14 15:14:11 <artemma> and from inside the app I can read new values fine
Jun 14 15:14:16 <flan3002> Otherwise you could intercept the event when it closes and manually save them.
Jun 14 15:14:21 <artemma> from inside same process I mean
Jun 14 15:14:21 <funktronic> any of y'all playing with wear?
Jun 14 15:14:35 <artemma> e.g. if I do SharedPreferences dailyWallpaperPreferences = PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(getApplicationContext());
Jun 14 15:14:51 <artemma> then these preferences show new values
Jun 14 15:15:07 <flan3002> The correct ones?
Jun 14 15:15:10 <artemma> yes
Jun 14 15:15:27 <flan3002> And which values does the 'other process' read?
Jun 14 15:15:32 <artemma> but if I start another process (I do it via Alarmmanager), it gets old values
Jun 14 15:15:44 <artemma> unless I care to exit first app
Jun 14 15:16:20 <artemma> point of the app is to change wallpaper once in a while, so work is done by a BroadcastReceiver
Jun 14 15:16:57 <artemma> main activity exists mostly for just specifying settings: when exactly to change (if at all), how to change and for scheduling the first run
Jun 14 15:17:46 <artemma> problem is that sometimes scheduled run is to happen when main activity is on screen yet (especially during development it's normal situation)
Jun 14 15:19:26 <artemma> Or is PreferenceFragment - correct way at all if I want this extra control on when preferences are saved?
Jun 14 15:23:29 <flan3002> artemma: Would you please log changes to the preferences in onSharedPreferenceChanged and see if they happen at the right time?
Jun 14 15:23:32 <peyam> Hi, flan3002 : sorry I got disconnected
Jun 14 15:23:52 <peyam> flan3002, I dont get the concept of try and catch and why / they are usable
Jun 14 15:24:07 <artemma> flan3002: then I need to create instance of it elsewhere (e,g, in main activity) and monitor, right?
Jun 14 15:24:10 <flan3002> peyam: Do you work with Exceptions?
Jun 14 15:24:16 * artemma googling for onSharedPreferenceChanged
Jun 14 15:24:23 <peyam> no. I follow the tutorials actually
Jun 14 15:24:31 <peyam> mybringback.com
Jun 14 15:24:36 <flan3002> artemma: No, just override it in your fragment and log.
Jun 14 15:25:24 <flan3002> peyam: Do you know what an Exception is?
Jun 14 15:25:53 <peyam> yes. like " excapt me and my friend"
Jun 14 15:26:26 <flan3002> peyam: No, in Java.
Jun 14 15:26:37 <peyam> No then I dont. I dont know java so well just basic
Jun 14 15:27:06 <flan3002> You need to know what an Exception is before you need to know what try/catch is.
Jun 14 15:27:12 <flan3002> Head over to ##java.
Jun 14 15:27:20 <peyam> okej
Jun 14 15:27:25 * flan3002 doesn't feel like explaining Exceptions.
Jun 14 15:27:26 <pfn> just don't mention android
Jun 14 15:27:42 <pfn> those asshats keep saying android isn't java
Jun 14 15:27:49 <flan3002> It isn't.
Jun 14 15:27:49 <pfn> tell that to Oracle
Jun 14 15:27:55 <pfn> it is
Jun 14 15:28:09 <Mavrik> *sigh*
Jun 14 15:28:11 <Mavrik> :)
Jun 14 15:28:36 <artemma> flan3002: PreferenceFragment doesn't have onSharedPreferenceChanged
Jun 14 15:28:48 * flan3002 wonders if pfn really wants to discuss this.
Jun 14 15:28:56 <peyam> flan3002, I have one other question it should be simple to you
Jun 14 15:29:03 <artemma> and well, it is a shared prefs method
Jun 14 15:29:04 <flan3002> artemma: It doesn't?
Jun 14 15:29:25 <pfn> flan3002, what is your definition of java
Jun 14 15:29:30 <flan3002> artemma: Just do something along this: onSharedPreferenceChanged
Jun 14 15:29:32 <artemma> Android Studio tells it cannot @Override it
Jun 14 15:29:39 <pfn> it is in just about all circumstances java
Jun 14 15:29:42 <flan3002> pfn: Java is a language.
Jun 14 15:29:45 <artemma> though if it's abstract. maybe it's not overriding
Jun 14 15:30:06 <peyam> flan3002, this is my code. I  dont understand why  Ondra method works without any input argument. I mean I havent called it .. why is it working.
Jun 14 15:30:31 <peyam> http://pastebin.com/Rzz98zZB
Jun 14 15:30:42 * artemma examines PreferenceFragment signature
Jun 14 15:30:44 <flan3002> artemma: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13596250/how-to-listen-for-preference-changes-within-a-preferencefragment?rq=1
Jun 14 15:31:03 <flan3002> I really meant to paste that link, 'onSharedPreferenceChanged'...
Jun 14 15:31:07 <peyam> I mean I havent given it any input argument. and I know that its a method and not a function. but it works without any input argument
Jun 14 15:31:29 <artemma> flan3002: ah, I needed to implement a particular listener for it!
Jun 14 15:31:55 <pfn> flan3002, so, the programming language for android isn't java, is what you're saying...
Jun 14 15:31:58 <artemma> and then regoster somewhere. me reads SO page
Jun 14 15:32:22 * artemma was using C++ on Android :) More as just a proof of concept though
Jun 14 15:32:47 <peyam> it is a sdk. you can use it in Qt as well.
Jun 14 15:32:54 <flan3002> pfn: Android is an operating system, not a language. Android contains a virtual machine which runs bytecode which can be converted from bytecode which can be converted from Java.
Jun 14 15:33:08 <peyam> No linux is the operating system?
Jun 14 15:33:24 <flan3002> Linux is the kernel.
Jun 14 15:33:51 <flan3002> peyam: Please don't differentiate between methods and functions.
Jun 14 15:34:11 <flan3002> And procedures and subprograms for that matter...
Jun 14 15:34:49 <peyam> flan3002, okej. I did .net OOP long time ago. and im not sure if one could use a method that wantsa argument just like that
Jun 14 15:35:23 <flan3002> peyam: onDraw is called by the View system, and the canvas you get already adjusted for you.
Jun 14 15:35:40 <peyam> okeeey sweet
Jun 14 15:35:50 <peyam> Android is a lot simpler than I thought
Jun 14 15:36:02 <flan3002> Hah, don't say that yet.
Jun 14 15:36:16 <artemma> flan3002: I don't get what SharedPreferences.Editor.commit(); is supposed to mean :/
Jun 14 15:36:35 <artemma> do you mean calling commit() on some particular editor?
Jun 14 15:37:02 <flan3002> Yes, but if you don't have an editor, it's not sensible, ideed.
Jun 14 15:37:11 <flan3002> Have you logged the changes?
Jun 14 15:37:16 <artemma> doing that now
Jun 14 15:37:58 <artemma> flan3002: yes, I receive that event every time a setting checkbox is clicked
Jun 14 15:38:16 <flan3002> Without noticeable delay?
Jun 14 15:38:21 <artemma> no delay
Jun 14 15:38:36 <artemma> and in my tests background service anyway starts whole 2 seconds later
Jun 14 15:38:51 <artemma> I guess PreferenceFragment cares to update some in-app preference cache, it just doesn't get written to the file
Jun 14 15:39:24 <artemma> now I wonder if there is a way to force it flush all changes to the file
Jun 14 15:39:46 <artemma> it's alright if it takes some 100-200ms
Jun 14 15:40:55 <artemma> hey, stackoverflow helped again!
Jun 14 15:41:16 <L8> any tutorial/stackoverflow questions you guys know about how does chat apps (like whatsapp) works
Jun 14 15:41:17 <artemma> flan3002: it seems I just need to tell Android that I am going to use SharedPreferences from multiple processes
Jun 14 15:41:19 <artemma> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8714793/data-cache-in-shared-preference
Jun 14 15:41:44 <L8> I'm trying to integrate pubnub but I don't have the vision of how all the components connects each other
Jun 14 15:41:50 <L8> push notifications and stuff
Jun 14 15:42:17 <g00s> L8 facebook messenger uses mqtt for some stuff
Jun 14 15:42:19 <artemma> flan3002: except I am not sure how to specify Context.MODE_MULTI_PROCESS flag when instantiating PreferenceFragment :/
Jun 14 15:42:46 <g00s> L8 they have a blog about it somewhere, but it mostly just describes the rationale
Jun 14 15:43:16 <L8> g00s, I'll look for it, thanks
Jun 14 15:44:18 <g00s> the eclipse paho mqtt library works on android
Jun 14 15:44:33 <g00s> you can set up mosquitto somewhere
Jun 14 15:45:03 <Mavrik> or, better, you use two-way push messaging
Jun 14 15:45:11 <Mavrik> so you don't massacre users battery like Facebook does.
Jun 14 15:45:15 <artemma> aha, maybe fragment's oncreate
Jun 14 15:45:25 <Mavrik> (Hangouts uses that, Gmail and other services as well)
Jun 14 15:46:02 <Demon_Jester> hey guys I am receiving this error in android studio Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED] and I going over my manifest but I don't see anything "malformed" here is my manifest if someone can help me out. http://pastie.org/9290064
Jun 14 15:46:14 <Demon_Jester> I am*
Jun 14 15:48:17 <flan3002> artemma: So...
Jun 14 15:48:27 <flan3002> You said it works correctly for the current process?
Jun 14 15:48:46 <artemma> flan3002: I googled some example on setting Context.MODE_MULTI_PROCESS flag
Jun 14 15:49:07 <artemma> now in fragment's onCreate I am doing getPreferenceManager().setSharedPreferencesMode(Context.MODE_MULTI_PROCESS);
Jun 14 15:49:23 <artemma> and then trying to apply same in a service side as well
Jun 14 15:49:46 <artemma> but not sure how to get PreferenceManager for it
Jun 14 15:50:53 <artemma> in a service I use static method for getting preferences: PreferenceManager
Jun 14 15:51:03 <artemma> for gettng PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(context.getApplicationContext());
Jun 14 15:51:27 <artemma> but I can't see how to specify mode there. probably i need to somehow access "current" preference manager
Jun 14 15:51:59 <flan3002> I got this flwico guy pm'ing me... Funny. :D
Jun 14 15:52:25 <flan3002> 17:50 <flwico> wHo iS @OP tHeRe ?
Jun 14 15:52:26 <flan3002> 17:51 <flwico> cAn U pASte tHiS tHeRe ? " UnBan fLWiCo "
Jun 14 15:52:26 <flan3002> 17:51 <flwico>  ?
Jun 14 15:52:26 <flan3002> 17:52 <flwico> PMeD 7 oPs fRm oLD LiSt , nO iDi0t RePLyiN
Jun 14 15:52:39 <flan3002> I seriously hope he's joking.
Jun 14 15:54:12 <g00s> flan3002 /umode +g is your friend
Jun 14 15:54:29 <artemma> or maybe I should switch from getDefaultSharedPreferences() to getSharedPreferences() - it has a method that lets to set mode, but then will PreferenceFragment be able to use it
Jun 14 15:54:30 <artemma> ?
Jun 14 15:54:59 <flan3002> g00s: Yeah, I should do that.
Jun 14 15:56:01 <d_dobrev> Hi all.
Jun 14 15:56:21 <d_dobrev> I'm trying to use setProgressBarIndeterminate.
Jun 14 15:56:34 <d_dobrev> But it always appears to the left of my other items.
Jun 14 15:56:43 <d_dobrev> How can I make it appear between them?
Jun 14 16:01:22 <artemma> flan3002: setting MODE_MULTI_PROCESS in activity (writing side) didn't help, can't figure how to set it on a receiving (service) side
Jun 14 16:01:41 <artemma> and well, setting it on wrting side only should be enough, shouldn't it?
Jun 14 16:02:34 <flan3002> I don't know, sorry.
Jun 14 16:03:07 <artemma> okay, thanks for trying to help
Jun 14 16:03:11 <artemma> time to go for me anyway
Jun 14 16:03:28 <flan3002> Good luck with it! :)
Jun 14 16:03:34 <artemma> thanks!
Jun 14 16:03:47 <artemma> heh, it looks like I'd need some luck indeed
Jun 14 16:03:58 <artemma> it's a pity there is nothing like a flush() method
Jun 14 16:04:14 <artemma> I'd really like both service and activity to share same settings
Jun 14 16:06:42 <d_dobrev> In case that's not possible and I have to use a custom layout for the progress bar (through setActionView()), how can I make its width equal to that of a standard item?
Jun 14 16:11:04 <flan3002> Seriously? http://ix.io/cY6
Jun 14 16:11:49 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Actionbar?
Jun 14 16:12:42 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Yes, I'm talking about the ActionBar. I want the progress bar invoked by setProgressBarIndeterminate to be between 2 other items.
Jun 14 16:13:11 <flan3002> You need a custom layout. The default one is pretty... crippled.
Jun 14 16:14:00 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Thank you. I thought about that but I have to use setActionView(), correct? I don't know how to make my progress bar the same width.
Jun 14 16:14:14 <flan3002> Yes.
Jun 14 16:14:15 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I want all items to have the same width.
Jun 14 16:14:27 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Do you know how I can do that?
Jun 14 16:15:44 <flan3002> d_dobrev: LinearLayout?
Jun 14 16:17:33 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I'm not sure I understand. I add my items using menu.add(...).setIcon(...), where menu is the param I get from onCreateOptionsMenu.
Jun 14 16:18:08 <d_dobrev> flan3002: With the exception of the progress bar, where I use setActionView instead of setIcon.
Jun 14 16:18:31 <d_dobrev> flan3002: And this way the progress bar does not have the same width as the rest, and I don't want that.
Jun 14 16:19:54 <flan3002> Well, that's pretty much impossible. The action view is designed to take the space between your app icon and the overflow menu/action items.
Jun 14 16:20:22 <flan3002> You might be able to hack/reflect your way into it, but don't if you wan't to stay reasonably sane.
Jun 14 16:20:36 <flan3002> I did that once to use an SVG icon for the overflow menu... Terrible.
Jun 14 16:22:10 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I see. I find it a little hard to believe I cannot actually have a standard item with a custom view inside.
Jun 14 16:22:40 <flan3002> I might have misunderstood you.
Jun 14 16:22:45 <d_dobrev> flan3002: If I set an icon to it - Android's indeterminate progress bar one - and then animate it myself, would that work?
Jun 14 16:27:49 <d_dobrev> flan3002: In theory I could copy the animation from Android's source and animate the progress bar icon. What do you think?
Jun 14 16:28:50 <flan3002> I'm still not sure I get what you want. Have a picture?
Jun 14 16:31:37 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Of course. Please just give me a minute.
Jun 14 16:33:11 <Nazgul> hi
Jun 14 16:34:44 <d_dobrev> flan3002: http://postimg.org/image/8thbi60p7/
Jun 14 16:34:48 * flan3002 runs away again. Is there no safe channel?
Jun 14 16:35:47 <flan3002> d_dobrev: I'll have a look at it, when my 3kb/s connection manages to load it. :)
Jun 14 16:35:59 <LighterFluid> anyone here good with AdapterList? i have a fairly basic question
Jun 14 16:36:20 <d_dobrev> flan3002: That would give me time to prepare the other one. :)
Jun 14 16:36:33 <LighterFluid> ill ask it anyway
Jun 14 16:36:37 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: I may be able to help you.
Jun 14 16:36:45 <LighterFluid> alright, here's the thing
Jun 14 16:36:56 <LighterFluid> i wanna make a list of customized items
Jun 14 16:37:00 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Okay, loaded. Yeah, using the original drawable seems sensible. (If that's what you mean)
Jun 14 16:37:06 <LighterFluid> each row to contain several different objects
Jun 14 16:37:16 <LighterFluid> how do i go about doing that?
Jun 14 16:37:19 <LighterFluid> and 2nd question
Jun 14 16:37:28 <LighterFluid> when i use the onitemclicklistener
Jun 14 16:37:37 <LighterFluid> how do i distinct one item from the other?
Jun 14 16:37:57 <LighterFluid> i want different things to happen based on which item i clicked
Jun 14 16:38:17 <LighterFluid> just point me to the right direction, where can i find answers for this basically
Jun 14 16:38:24 <LighterFluid> i cant seem to do that on my own
Jun 14 16:39:02 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: About 2, you get the position of the item in the listener.
Jun 14 16:39:13 <LighterFluid> i did that
Jun 14 16:39:23 <LighterFluid> i made a switch based on position
Jun 14 16:39:27 <LighterFluid> but it didnt work for some reason
Jun 14 16:39:36 <LighterFluid> i thought it was the wrong way to do it for some reason
Jun 14 16:39:42 <LighterFluid> so i figured i'd ask
Jun 14 16:39:44 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: About 1, look at ListAdapter's docs. You need getView and getItemTypes (not sure abotu the name of the latter).
Jun 14 16:39:58 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: No, it's the rigth way.
Jun 14 16:40:05 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: *right
Jun 14 16:40:17 <LighterFluid> alright, thanks
Jun 14 16:40:19 <LighterFluid> ill get to it then
Jun 14 16:42:47 <d_dobrev> flan3002: http://postimg.org/image/jns42ryt5/
Jun 14 16:44:03 <jamesson> how can I tell, when a fragment has done loading and its contents are accesible?
Jun 14 16:44:32 <gdrc> look at the fragment lifecyle
Jun 14 16:47:54 <jamesson> gdrc: right, but at which stage is it complete? onCreateView or onActivityCreated?
Jun 14 16:48:58 <gdrc> RTFM: https://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html
Jun 14 16:49:29 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Now that it's all clear, what do you think, can it be done?
Jun 14 16:50:11 <jamesson> gdrc: ok, good. But oncreate view says "to draw a ui..." How do I know when the UI is finished drawing?
Jun 14 16:50:14 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Alright. Now, have you tried programmatically setting the icon to the drawable of the indeterminate progress? (which I'm searching currently)
Jun 14 16:51:00 <d_dobrev> d_dobrev: I have, and it works. It's a public resource, somewhere in android.R.drawable.
Jun 14 16:51:00 <gdrc> jamesson: when the framework calls the next method.
Jun 14 16:51:15 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I have, and it works. It's a public resource, somewhere in android.R.drawable.
Jun 14 16:51:24 <d_dobrev> flan3002: The problem is it's static.
Jun 14 16:51:30 <LighterFluid> d_dobrev: i just tried it again through a switch loop using position as the argument in switch and made a toast just to see the output, basically it always shows the last case, i defined 3 items so i have cases 0, 1 and 2 as far as position go, but no matter what i click it works as if i hit the 3rd one
Jun 14 16:51:32 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I need to animate it myself.
Jun 14 16:51:50 <jamesson> gdrc: which is onPause? But, that is too late to manipulate ui elements in he view
Jun 14 16:51:54 <flan3002> d_dobrev: How is it called?
Jun 14 16:52:30 <d_dobrev> LighterFluid: Not sure, sounds like you're missing break statements in your switch.
Jun 14 16:52:44 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Just a second, I'll tell you.
Jun 14 16:52:55 <LighterFluid> jesus, im retarded
Jun 14 16:53:02 <LighterFluid> thanks again
Jun 14 16:53:39 <flan3002> LighterFluid: We only have JesusFreke here, not jesus. (sorry for pinging)
Jun 14 16:53:41 <gdrc> jamesson: onActityCreated
Jun 14 16:53:55 <gdrc> onActivityCreated(Bundle) tells the fragment that its activity has completed its own Activity.onCreate().
Jun 14 16:54:09 <LighterFluid> ill use allah for my future references
Jun 14 16:54:46 <Blaxx> How can I make a phone automatically touch the screen?
Jun 14 16:55:50 <jamesson> gdrc: THANK YOU!. 3-4 days looking for this shit, sorry, not too smart of me
Jun 14 16:56:23 <gdrc> jamesson: trust me, it's ALL in the official android doc.
Jun 14 16:57:13 <flan3002> Yay, safe again!
Jun 14 16:57:15 <d_dobrev> flan3002: It's taking me a while, damn, I should've written it down the last time I was looking for it.
Jun 14 16:57:42 <havv> hi, I wrote this code: https://gist.github.com/Bennyz/16dc58ef3acc06a3e6be (the first snippet is in a separate class) and the doInBackground method is never called, and I don't really understand why
Jun 14 16:58:24 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Actually, I have. :) I've got a branch with that stuff over here.
Jun 14 16:59:28 <d_dobrev> flan3002: android.R.attribute.progress_bar_style_small
Jun 14 17:00:00 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Or very similar, I don't use Java and I have to manually fix the syntax.
Jun 14 17:04:00 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Are you sure there's no other way? The problem with animating the progress bar myself is that even if we get it right, Google might change the animation in a subsequent Android version and my progress bar's going to look non-native.
Jun 14 17:04:28 <d_dobrev> *even if I get it right
Jun 14 17:04:36 <flan3002> No, I'm not sure. :)
Jun 14 17:07:02 <VagrantSalt> Hi, all. I'm on OS X & trying to get an emulator going (API 19). Every time I compile though the emulator opens and just shows a black screen. I've downloaded the HAX path & tried with & without Host GPU enabled. Does anyone have any advice about getting the emulator to stop freezing when it loads?
Jun 14 17:07:13 <VagrantSalt> HAX patch**
Jun 14 17:07:55 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Let me try something...
Jun 14 17:09:19 <d_dobrev> VagrantSalt: Yes. Ditch the Google emulator and use Genymotion, much faster and less buggy.
Jun 14 17:09:53 <flan3002> No, I find the stock emulator still faster. When used with HAXM.
Jun 14 17:10:12 <VagrantSalt> Pardon my ignorance. Is HAXM different from HAX?
Jun 14 17:10:24 <flan3002> I don't know HAX.
Jun 14 17:11:25 <VagrantSalt> Ah, ok. I'm dl'ing genymotion now though & will try to get it to work with my ionic app. Thank you for the help d_dobrev & flan3002
Jun 14 17:11:54 <prishabh> I was going through a piece of code where I read this `reader.read(charArray);` and that modifies the `charArray`. Shouldn't it be `charArray = reader.read(charArray);` to work proeprly ?
Jun 14 17:15:46 <Napalm> jvrodrigues: still around?
Jun 14 17:15:56 <jvrodrigues> Napalm, yes i am
Jun 14 17:16:15 <jvrodrigues> Napalm, already found imageshack api, going to use that one
Jun 14 17:16:19 <jvrodrigues> seems to work fine for what i want
Jun 14 17:16:31 <Napalm> cool
Jun 14 17:20:06 <flan3002> d_dobrev: I was close to find a solution... Api level 16!
Jun 14 17:20:35 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Is it available in the support lib?
Jun 14 17:20:46 <flan3002> Nah.
Jun 14 17:20:51 <flan3002> Let me try something else.
Jun 14 17:21:04 * flan3002 really wants to solve this thing.
Jun 14 17:21:40 <d_dobrev> d_dobrev: Could you please tell me the API 16 solution, it may inspire me to find a universal one?
Jun 14 17:21:54 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Could you please tell me the API 16 solution, it may inspire me to find a universal one?
Jun 14 17:28:14 <flan3002> d_dobrev: I got something that sorta works: Use this drawable
Jun 14 17:28:54 <flan3002> https://gist.github.com/3710f4a1dfed44555f6e
Jun 14 17:29:17 <flan3002> You should be able to set it as the background of your menuitem.
Jun 14 17:29:36 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Thanks but what is spinner_black_76?
Jun 14 17:30:17 <flan3002> d_dobrev: http://i.imgur.com/li1RQOP.png
Jun 14 17:30:28 <flan3002> Probably the wrong page...
Jun 14 17:31:21 <d_dobrev> flan3002: This is the API 16 solution, correct?
Jun 14 17:31:31 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Save this [ http://ix.io/9D
Jun 14 17:31:36 <flan3002> Yep.
Jun 14 17:32:36 <d_dobrev> flan3002: http://ix.io/9D gives me nothing,  http://i.imgur.com/li1RQOP.png gives me a picture.
Jun 14 17:33:11 <flan3002> d_dobrev: Save that file as a png.
Jun 14 17:33:30 <flan3002> No, dont.
Jun 14 17:33:41 <flan3002> I thought it'd work.
Jun 14 17:34:08 <flan3002> Just use the file that came with your SDK. :)
Jun 14 17:34:29 <flan3002> I got mine from platforms/android-19/data/res/drawable-hdpi/spinner_black_*.png
Jun 14 17:35:46 <platzhirsch> How would you animate the press-down of a whole layout?
Jun 14 17:36:00 <platzhirsch> I used onTouchListener, but it seems to overwrite(?) the onClickListener
Jun 14 17:36:05 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Thank you. How about the universal solution, have you been able to think of something?
Jun 14 17:36:23 <flan3002> That should work pretty universally...
Jun 14 17:36:41 <flan3002> It's just not terribly pretty.
Jun 14 17:36:47 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I mean that the xml you sent me requires API 16, correct?
Jun 14 17:36:55 <flan3002> No, it doesn't.
Jun 14 17:37:03 <flan3002> Or I think it doesn't.
Jun 14 17:37:23 <d_dobrev> flan3002: I see. Is it the same animation that Android uses or just one that looks similar?
Jun 14 17:37:52 <flan3002> It's pretty much the same.
Jun 14 17:38:01 <flan3002> But an old one.
Jun 14 17:40:45 <flan3002> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=19248
Jun 14 17:41:02 <flan3002> Yay, Google, thank you!
Jun 14 17:42:06 <d_dobrev> flan3002: So, in general, it's possible neither to make setSupportProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility appear in a different location nor to tell setActionView() to have standard width.
Jun 14 17:42:30 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Therefore, the only way is to get the system icon for the progress bar and animate it myself.
Jun 14 17:42:38 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Is that correct?
Jun 14 17:43:15 <flan3002> No, it'd probably be possible. The question is how much effort you're willing to put into this. :)
Jun 14 17:44:38 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Well, as much as necessary because I don't want to ever come back to this because of future or past Android versions. :)
Jun 14 17:46:41 <flan3002> Well then, I won't help you with that. :)
Jun 14 17:46:58 <d_dobrev> flan3002: :)
Jun 14 17:47:11 <d_dobrev> flan3002: OK, thank you very much for all of your help.
Jun 14 17:47:27 <flan3002> Pulling a new drawable from the SDK is not enough effort to justify the time you need to get this right.
Jun 14 17:48:47 <d_dobrev> flan3002: My main concern is actually the animation. If I get the drawable through the system rather than hard-code it, it should always work fine.
Jun 14 17:49:21 <d_dobrev> flan3002: Anyway, I've saved your PNG and animation and I'll have them in mind. I have some incomplete animating of my own over here.
Jun 14 17:50:11 <flan3002> To be honest, it looks terribly ugly, so if you can find any other way of signaling progress, use it. (yeah)
Jun 14 17:58:29 <Demon_Jester> hey guys when I am using alarmmanager and I use AlarmManager.INTERVAL_DAY, and if I set a date using Calendar, will it set the calendar time day later? like if I were to set calendar tim for 1:00pm would it set 1:00pm for tmorrow (on the 15th?)
Jun 14 18:01:53 <platzhirsch> When I want to simulate a button down press on a layout, is onTouchListener the right approach?
Jun 14 18:03:22 <Lumen> Not sure if this belongs here, but I just installed Android Studio 0.6.1 on Arch Linux and it's not rendering any text. Does anyone know what the problem is and how to fix it? Do I need to launch AS with any flags? Thank you.
Jun 14 18:04:22 <Lumen> I have been using 0.5.9 and prior versions just fine. I never tried 0.6.0 so I don't know if I would've had the same problem there.
Jun 14 18:08:36 <flan3002> Lumen: DWM?
Jun 14 18:09:51 <Lumen> AwesomeWM
Jun 14 18:10:16 <flan3002> $ wmname LG3D and floating mode.
Jun 14 18:12:42 * flan3002 ditched Awesome in favor of dwm and is planning to write a Window manager in Rust.
Jun 14 18:13:37 <Lumen> Didn't work, but thanks.
Jun 14 18:13:47 <Lumen> Hahaha
Jun 14 18:13:59 <flan3002> Looked in the wiki?
Jun 14 18:14:17 <g00s> rusty window manager :)
Jun 14 18:14:22 <Lumen> Which one?
Jun 14 18:14:44 <flan3002> About awesome and Java applications.
Jun 14 18:15:05 <flan3002> g00s: Exactly how I will call it. 'rwm' for 'rusty window manager'. :)
Jun 14 18:15:24 <Lumen> I have not.
Jun 14 18:15:48 <josaphat> we talking about window managers?
Jun 14 18:16:00 <flan3002> Yep.
Jun 14 18:16:06 <flan3002> Lumen: Then do.
Jun 14 18:16:10 <josaphat> xmonad
Jun 14 18:16:36 <havv> how do I make sure camera is released regardless of how the app closed?
Jun 14 18:16:49 <Lumen> I'm on it.
Jun 14 18:19:29 <njcomsec> yeehhhh my new tablet works
Jun 14 18:20:52 <flan3002> Don't.
Jun 14 18:20:55 <sudoquai> Somebody able to develop #namecoinj - Namecoin is based on Bitcoin 0.3 - updating the desktop wallets is not possible at the moment - i have a Bounty of 2BTC on making a Android Wallet for Namecoin > only send/receive functions required (and based on Schildbach Source)
Jun 14 18:21:13 <flan3002> It's not like I said job listings are not allowed...
Jun 14 18:21:41 <sudoquai> oh sorry
Jun 14 18:21:49 <sudoquai> i misunderstood you then
Jun 14 18:21:52 <josaphat> havv, onStop(){ doReleaseCamera(); }
Jun 14 18:22:03 <friendlyguy> hi there. anyone has used mediarecorder with outputformat OUTPUT_FORMAT_RTP_AVP? I'm failing to do so. Cannot figure out how to handle it
Jun 14 18:25:01 <havv> josaphat: thanks
Jun 14 18:26:26 <g00s> hehe, iosched has that same bug with the nav drawer; they close the drawer when selecting 'Settings'  , start a preferenceActivity … and when you come back to it, the draw is open again because it never got a chance to save its state
Jun 14 18:27:25 <g00s> but really, the networking is seriously fucked with iosched 2014, lots of times things are not updating, cards / tiles are blank
Jun 14 18:27:32 <g00s> did a bunch of interns rewrite it ?
Jun 14 18:46:16 <marrrk> How do I get a pixel value from android.R.attr.actionBarSize?
Jun 14 18:48:39 <Napalm> marrrk: yes
Jun 14 18:48:47 <Napalm> marrrk: its always pixels
Jun 14 18:48:56 <marrrk> It’s a resource ID
Jun 14 18:48:56 <Napalm> views all measure with pixels
Jun 14 18:49:13 <Napalm> everything is pixel's except the resource values themselves
Jun 14 18:49:16 <marrrk> How do I get the actual pixel value from it?
Jun 14 18:49:45 <Napalm> marrrk: in code?
Jun 14 18:49:50 <marrrk> yes
Jun 14 18:50:09 <marrrk> there is a crazy thing on stackoverflow, but I don’t want to believe it
Jun 14 18:50:13 <marrrk> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12301510/how-to-get-the-actionbar-height/13216807#13216807
Jun 14 18:50:35 <Napalm> in a fragment or activity?
Jun 14 18:52:44 <marrrk> Activity
Jun 14 18:54:23 <Napalm> marrrk: https://gist.github.com/slightfoot/d9d97c2ae483bda91d91#file-getthemeattributedimensionsize-java
Jun 14 18:54:52 <marrrk> How come this is so unbelievably shitty?
Jun 14 18:55:24 <marrrk> I mean why is it so hard in code but so easy in xml?
Jun 14 18:55:52 <Napalm> how is that hard?
Jun 14 18:55:55 <marrrk> Sorry, I was being rude, thank you first.
Jun 14 18:56:00 <flan3002> Because the xml alternative was made to make it easier than in code?
Jun 14 18:57:13 <marrrk> It is hard in that you are using null and try finally. I would like to avoid that, but it seems like that’s not possible.
Jun 14 18:57:48 <marrrk> And you have to collect garbage yourself, apparently.
Jun 14 18:57:57 <Napalm> why would you want to avoid that? and potentially exhaust your TypedArray pool?
Jun 14 18:59:03 <g00s> do you guys notice some weird behavior with AS, when you switch between apps and come back to AS the file tree collapses for a while and then refreshes ?
Jun 14 18:59:31 <g00s> don't think i saw this before 0.6
Jun 14 19:00:16 <marrrk> I would want to avoid that for the same reasons that I want to avoid using malloc and free.
Jun 14 19:01:51 <josaphat> marrrk, The more powerful they try to make Java the platform, the more they're forced to push Java the language toward being C++
Jun 14 19:03:35 <flan3002> josaphat: Define powerful.
Jun 14 19:03:58 <josaphat> Control. Determinism.
Jun 14 19:04:23 <flan3002> Control can't get better than machine-code/assembly.
Jun 14 19:04:54 <josaphat> flan3002, not if you understand the compiler.
Jun 14 19:05:31 <marrrk> Another question: Anybody using Calligraphy?
Jun 14 19:05:41 <flan3002> I doubt this statement. I'm not saying you should use assembly, but it certainly gives you better control about your code.
Jun 14 19:06:28 <flan3002> And if you define powerful as expressive, C++ definitely is not the optimum.
Jun 14 19:06:45 <josaphat> I didn't. I said Control and Determism.
Jun 14 19:07:12 <josaphat> I need to know that in a closed system, my code will run the same way every time.
Jun 14 19:07:31 <flan3002> Assembly can do that.
Jun 14 19:07:32 <pfn> c++ is not expressive
Jun 14 19:07:39 <josaphat> The more you can extend the boundaries of the system and have it remain deterministic, the more powerful it is.
Jun 14 19:07:41 <flan3002> pfn: Nobody said that. :)
Jun 14 19:08:05 <marrrk> well, java is not impressive
Jun 14 19:08:06 <josaphat> I hate that word to describe computer languages.
Jun 14 19:08:14 <josaphat> "expressive"
Jun 14 19:08:35 <flan3002> josaphat: Got a better word?
Jun 14 19:09:20 <josaphat> flan3002, that would depend on what "expressive" refers to
Jun 14 19:09:47 <pfn> it means what the word means
Jun 14 19:10:02 <pfn> the ability to express your intentions in code
Jun 14 19:10:13 <flan3002> If something is 'expressive', it can express much with a low amount of code.
Jun 14 19:10:19 <pfn> more expressive, more such ability
Jun 14 19:10:24 <flan3002> s/something/a programming language/
Jun 14 19:10:29 <josaphat> / Most expressive language construct
Jun 14 19:10:44 <josaphat> # other most expressive language construct
Jun 14 19:11:20 * flan3002 doesn't know what josaphat gets at.
Jun 14 19:11:38 <josaphat> The purpose of comments is to express intention.
Jun 14 19:11:50 <flan3002> We are not talking about that.
Jun 14 19:12:35 <josaphat> "Expressive" means conveying meaning. That's what comments do and they don't require you to sacrifice control
Jun 14 19:12:37 <flan3002> Imagine writing an application X. In Assembly it takes a lines, while in Haskell it takes b lines, where a > b.
Jun 14 19:12:49 <JesusFreke> An expressive language doesn't require as many comments
Jun 14 19:13:04 <JesusFreke> because you can express what you're trying to do more naturally in the code
Jun 14 19:13:06 <flan3002> An expressive language gets more done with fewer symbols.
Jun 14 19:13:17 <josaphat> So the expressiveness of a language is directly related to the built-in libraries?
Jun 14 19:13:25 <josaphat> How much boiler-plate stuff is done for you?
Jun 14 19:14:03 <flan3002> Possibly.
Jun 14 19:14:07 <josaphat> simpleResult = MyLibrary.DoThatComplexThing();
Jun 14 19:15:07 <josaphat> It all depends on the libraries and your naming scheme.
Jun 14 19:15:14 <JesusFreke> not really
Jun 14 19:15:18 <flan3002> It's not about characters but symbols.
Jun 14 19:15:23 <JesusFreke> because that's just encapsulation
Jun 14 19:15:39 <JesusFreke> DoThatComplexThing still has an implementation.. and that implementation may or may not be concise
Jun 14 19:15:53 <josaphat> JesusFreke, Everything you do in code has an implementation
Jun 14 19:16:22 <flan3002> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages#Expressiveness
Jun 14 19:16:33 <flan3002> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_power
Jun 14 19:17:04 <JesusFreke> If DoThatComplexThing takes x "symbols", or "lines" or however you want to measure it in some language, but takes x/2 symbols/lines/whatever in some other language, then the other language is more expressive for that particular domain
Jun 14 19:18:03 <JesusFreke> flan3002: yeah, format expressivity is something different
Jun 14 19:18:06 <JesusFreke> formal*
Jun 14 19:18:29 <JesusFreke> It's more about what's possible to be expressed in a language, not how concisely it can be expressed
Jun 14 19:18:57 <flan3002> I wouldn't say that. It's not about Turing-completeness.
Jun 14 19:21:00 <flan3002> josaphat: Take this quicksort implementaion: http://ix.io/cYd
Jun 14 19:21:45 <flan3002> It's concise/compact and the only 'library function' is 'filter'.
Jun 14 19:24:43 <josaphat> Okay. I can see that
Jun 14 19:25:52 <flan3002> Now count the amount of 'symbols' you'd need to implement quicksort in assembly and decide for yourself which one is more 'expressive'. :)
Jun 14 19:30:07 <JesusFreke> or likely even java :)
Jun 14 19:30:12 <josaphat> It's just a different way of expressing a lot of abstract information
Jun 14 19:30:20 <JesusFreke> exactly
Jun 14 19:30:39 <josaphat> no different than "expressing" a lot by calling a library
Jun 14 19:31:15 <josaphat> You can just step up and down the spectrum of abstraction depending on how many routines you have to write yourself.
Jun 14 19:31:46 <josaphat> I can concede the expressiveness of the language itself. But I still question its usefulness.
Jun 14 19:32:08 <JesusFreke> You can improve the conciseness of an individual program by using a library, yes.
Jun 14 19:32:40 <JesusFreke> But that's independent of the expressiveness of the language as a whole
Jun 14 19:33:26 <flan3002> Well, in the Haskell quicksort example, the expressiveness comes from hardcoded (compiler) functions, so it counts as part of the language, not as a library.
Jun 14 19:33:55 <josaphat> flan3002, I find that extreme.
Jun 14 19:34:36 <flan3002> That's your good right. :)
Jun 14 19:35:10 <JesusFreke> it's not just the libraries though, it's the whole syntax. Even if you have a similar "filter" function in java, it's not going to be as concise
Jun 14 19:35:28 <josaphat> I just mean that's cheating. Java's enormous built-in library isn't part of the language
Jun 14 19:36:02 <josaphat> No way no how you can just count that as part of the language. Sure, it comes for free but it's still a separate thing
Jun 14 19:36:08 <flan3002> Yes, I do not count libraries to expressiveness of a language.
Jun 14 19:37:15 <josaphat> We're not really moving one way or another in this discussion
Jun 14 19:37:26 <josaphat> flan3002, but that haskell snippet is fucking dope and I want to really learn haskell now
Jun 14 19:38:24 <flan3002> josaphat: It is. Learn it! But be warned, parts of it really take a long time. (Not finished learning it)
Jun 14 19:41:38 <ktwo> anyone knows what the onclicklistener actually does with the button color ? how is the button "greyed" out when finger is up. Im asking because i want to emulate it in ontouch too
Jun 14 19:42:17 <JesusFreke> look at the source? :)
Jun 14 19:43:08 <ktwo> is the source for this stuff available?
Jun 14 19:43:27 <flan3002> No, actually Android is closed-source.
Jun 14 19:44:02 <flan3002> Everyone's been lying about Android being open-source and actually Google has been bought by MicroSoft years ago.
Jun 14 19:44:14 <josaphat> ktwo, see: Topic
Jun 14 19:47:45 <JesusFreke> iirc, the source for a lot of the stuff is even included with the sdk now, isn't it? So you can "go to definition" in your ide
Jun 14 19:48:31 <JesusFreke> Yeah, there's the "Sources for Android SDK" thing in the android sdk manager
Jun 14 19:50:02 <Napalm> ktwo: call setPressed(true); to get the pressed state (greyt color) and setPressed(false); to reset it back
Jun 14 19:50:20 <ktwo> Napalm, thanks!
Jun 14 20:00:52 <josaphat> flan3002, I love flan. It beats out cheesecake as my favorite dessert of all time.
Jun 14 20:01:09 <josaphat> sorry I just now realized what your nick was
Jun 14 20:01:11 <flan3002> :)
Jun 14 20:33:58 <An_Ony_Moose> can failing to load qnet-plugin.so be safely ignored in apps using a webview?
Jun 14 21:11:04 <adkins> hey guys, i want to place and trigger shorctuts in my app, for instance directcalls. I can select one but not trigger them correctly. After placing a shortcut i trigger the shorcut by "startActivity((Intent) data.getExtras().get(Intent.EXTRA_SHORTCUT_INTENT));" but its always using skype (on my phone) to make the call and not the standard phone activity. How can i make it work so that it just works like the standard android shor
Jun 14 21:23:57 <gdrc> world cup time
Jun 14 21:25:30 <adkins> gdrc: Task 1: coding (priority 1) , Task 2: world cup (priority 2) ;)
Jun 14 21:26:18 <gdrc> right but not when your country plays :D
Jun 14 21:26:22 <adkins> if a nba finals were on: Task 1: nba (priority 1) , Task 2: coding,.....world cup doesnt matter ;)
Jun 14 21:27:13 <josaphat> gdrc, I'm guessing England?
Jun 14 21:28:48 <CodemonkeyAlx> Good Evening (Least now it is) - I have an idea I want to run by you all. Kind of an open source project I have had brewing in the back of my head for a while now. - Anyone who has played MegaMan Battle Network will likely be familiar with the concept I am about to present. I want to built a Semi-Artificial Intelegence for use in Smartphones. So when you think about it... A learning ChatBot that can be used as a personal assistant
Jun 14 21:33:56 <josaphat> uh.
Jun 14 21:34:28 <josaphat> Sounds hard.
Jun 14 21:35:34 <BtbN> Sounds like Siri, you're a few years late.
Jun 14 21:36:54 <Mavrik> CodemonkeyAlx, what is your question exactly? :)
Jun 14 21:37:39 <josaphat> Mavrik, He wanted to run the idea by us. I think it's running really fast.
Jun 14 21:38:04 <Mavrik> looks like an awesome master thesis project :)
Jun 14 21:38:30 <CodemonkeyAlx> There are a few other things I want this thing to do by the time I am done with it. Such as being able to upload itself to my computer when my phone is plugged in. Just things that make it a little more unique than Siri or google now.  Mavrik I guess the best way to put it is "Anyone want to help me with this?"
Jun 14 21:39:09 * CodemonkeyAlx is failing to make this come across as interesting.
Jun 14 21:39:17 <josaphat> CodemonkeyAlx, Oh it's interesting
Jun 14 21:39:22 <pi-> Hello people, I'm trying to get Juce (multi platform C++ engine) to build on to android. I have to supply it with SDK and NDK path. No I already had SDK+Eclipse. They both came together in a single ADT package. Now I've separately downloaded NDK.
Jun 14 21:39:29 <josaphat> It's just... well what are your credentials?
Jun 14 21:39:46 <pi-> But do I need to launch eclipse and tell it the existence of this NDK?
Jun 14 21:40:03 <pi-> I'm on OS X
Jun 14 21:40:25 <Mavrik> eclipse doesn't give a damn about NDK.
Jun 14 21:40:26 <josaphat> CodemonkeyAlx, How will anyone know that if they join with you you'll follow through on what is undoubtedly a very complex project
Jun 14 21:40:37 <pi-> thanks Mavrik
Jun 14 21:40:38 <Mavrik> it just wants the native libs the NDK builds in proper folders.
Jun 14 21:41:52 <CodemonkeyAlx> josaphat, 1.5 years of learning and about 3 apps that really do the same thing - Offer quick acces to emergency services with the push of a widget. Most of them are defunct now because of a change in Android's permission parameters not allowing the user to auto dial out emergency services anymore. - I am working on a new version of this as we speak using text messages.
Jun 14 21:42:04 <CodemonkeyAlx> access*
Jun 14 21:43:32 <CodemonkeyAlx> So really I have my laughable attempts at apps before - Which I am trying to make up for by doing something to help build my credentials.
Jun 14 21:44:17 <josaphat> CodemonkeyAlx, you should aim much much lower than smart-assistant
Jun 14 21:46:59 <CodemonkeyAlx> I have dreams and goals. Which are good. However, they only get you so far. - I know josaphat. Which is why I am only really running the idea past you all. I know that something like this FAR outclasses me as a programmer which is why I love the idea so much. This is not a weekend app project. Its something that has peaked my interest for a long time now.
Jun 14 21:47:48 <josaphat> CodemonkeyAlx, Well... if you're dead set on that, I suggest taking it in individually marketable steps.
Jun 14 21:48:06 <pi-> http://pbrd.co/UCpk0X <-- here is the android project automatically generated by Juce's utility. Which file do I open from eclipse in order to run it?
Jun 14 21:49:07 <pi-> ^piqued IIRC Alx
Jun 14 21:49:24 <gdrc> what do you use for long process thread?
Jun 14 21:49:42 <CodemonkeyAlx> Either way, one day I'll build it. - There is not much point in drowning myself in something that could end up killing my ideals. xD - I should be building sudoku and tic-tac-toe xD
Jun 14 21:50:34 <josaphat> CodemonkeyAlx, You don't have to content yourself with something you're not enthusiastic about. Like I said, do it in chunks. You mentioned "uploading itself to my computer". Try to turn just *that* aspect of it into a useful app.
Jun 14 21:52:18 <CodemonkeyAlx> josaphat, good point. So build the transporter. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!
Jun 14 21:53:44 <jamesson> why does eclipse say that fragment onCreateView requires @override but onActivityCreated does not?
Jun 14 21:55:44 <CodemonkeyAlx> I mean I have worked on head swimmingly complex things before. At the beginning of last year we were working with a guy that fell through that wanted me to make my own launcher. I still have the basic code for it which I might end up using later now that I think about it. Suffice to say that project burned out after a while due to lack of communication and furthermore the guy was a fraud. Bad luck really so now its back to me and my fathe
Jun 14 21:55:44 <CodemonkeyAlx> r running our little personal safety show.
Jun 14 21:55:51 <josaphat> jamesson, are you the signatures match?
Jun 14 21:56:12 <jamesson> josaphat: sorry?
Jun 14 21:56:25 <jamesson> josaphat: signatures?
Jun 14 21:56:54 <josaphat> jamesson, make sure your declaration of onActivityCreated() matches the documentation
Jun 14 21:57:35 <jamesson> josaphat: copy, let me check
Jun 14 21:59:09 <jamesson> josaphat: quite right. Seems I am finally getting this :/
Jun 14 22:00:10 <pi-> Can anyone help me get eclipse to deploy an android project to my Android phone? I just did "File" -> "Switch Workspace" and set it to the folder containing the Android project. Now I click run, and get http://pbrd.co/UCqABj
Jun 14 22:00:43 <CodemonkeyAlx> jamesson, Dont feel bad... I have been "learning" for a year and a half. I still have so much I need to learn. Here is how I look at it for what it might or might not be worth. - Every day you dont learn something new is a day wasted.
Jun 14 22:01:31 <pi-> CodemonkeyAlx: but then some day you die
Jun 14 22:02:11 * CodemonkeyAlx Notices a slow steady burn setting in... "Well... that just happened..."
Jun 14 22:02:31 <pi-> And the day you learn this... :D
Jun 14 22:02:51 <CodemonkeyAlx> pi-,  Good point... Carpe Deim or Yolo or what ever you subscribe by...
Jun 14 22:04:01 <CodemonkeyAlx> If today is tomorrows yesterday... what does this make tomorrow? *sage nod*
Jun 14 22:05:57 <CodemonkeyAlx> pi-,  I think today I learned a what a heavy dose of realisim is. I need to finish up my one project before I even think about Zero being a thing.
Jun 14 22:06:48 <jamesson> CodemonkeyAlx: best not to learn under deadline :/
Jun 14 22:07:55 <CodemonkeyAlx> I could use a hand. I have three edit text's which are used to input phone numbers I am trying to link them all to one button that in turn saves them into some variables. Every time I hit save the app crashes. Now if I set it up that each edit text has its own save button it works fine but seems a little... Redundant... How do I put this all into one button?
Jun 14 22:08:02 <CodemonkeyAlx> jamesson, point taken.
Jun 14 22:08:44 <CodemonkeyAlx> Code incoming... in when I copy paste it.
Jun 14 22:09:30 <CodemonkeyAlx> Also my phone apparently cant ADB properly - Logcat seems to run and hide from it. - Alcatel One Touch Fierce.
Jun 14 22:11:02 <CodemonkeyAlx> Well look at that... dinner time... be back in a bit.
Jun 14 23:19:46 <L8> why it's so hard to find any normal tutorial on how to start with greendao or ormlite
Jun 14 23:45:40 <chinu> Hi , I am working with andengine and stuck with manageupdate of the sprite , can anyone tell me if we can check the sprite position of a perticular sprite ?
Jun 14 23:45:54 <chinu> when i have multiple sprite with same function
Jun 14 23:45:57 <chinu> and same name
Jun 15 01:09:56 <rasperin> Hey guys, I have a question, I have a json file with default data that my app uses. However, this file is updatable so I need to be able to delete it and replace it. I read I can't do that with files placed in the assets directory, so where should I place the file where I can still ship the app with a default file but replace the file if an update occurs?
Jun 15 02:36:48 <endra> Hello - what’s the best way to have different configuration constants for different environments of the same project? For example, dev/staging/production
Jun 15 02:37:29 <Napalm> endra: you using AndroidStudio?
Jun 15 02:37:39 <endra> Napalm: yes I am. I like it :)
Jun 15 02:38:46 <Napalm> http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide
Jun 15 02:39:08 <Napalm> endra: you can bring in a different source set for different flavor
Jun 15 02:39:34 <Napalm> this means you can have the same class (exact same package) in multiple directories
Jun 15 02:40:09 <endra> Napalm: I’ll read it up. Thanks. I’m just looking to compile the same code with different static final strings.
Jun 15 02:40:35 <Napalm> say called Environment which can have your static final strings, you can use that to determine your build
Jun 15 02:41:12 <endra> Napalm: yup, thanks for the help :-)
Jun 15 02:53:28 <Napalm> endra: http://tulipemoutarde.be/2013/10/06/gradle-build-variants-for-your-android-project.html < here you go
Jun 15 02:54:53 <endra> Napalm: thanks again! Bookmarked. I’ll do it up in a couple hours =)
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