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Aug 19 03:00:34 <MicronXD> Why do I get an "Unknown" GoogleAuthException when calling GoogleAuthUtil.getToken(context, account, "oauth2:server:client_id:[MyClientKey]:api_scope:" + Scopes.PROFILE);? Without "server:client_id:[MyClientKey]:api_scope:", I get an actual token back, but I can't use it on my app server to call the oauth APIs.
Aug 19 03:11:24 <detachYo> good day everyone
Aug 19 03:20:07 <g00s> bankai_au living the good life :) http://digg.com/video/its-been-a-long-day-you-deserve-to-be-as-relaxed-as-this-dog-getting-a-massage
Aug 19 03:22:48 <bankai_au> so... this is a thing now, is it ?
Aug 19 03:23:06 <g00s> dog massage, for a while. even accupuncture O.o
Aug 19 03:23:16 <g00s> bankai_au we're in the wrong profession
Aug 19 03:23:36 <bankai_au> i think that almost every day
Aug 19 03:23:56 <designaspiration> I can't decrease the size of a View using getLayoutParams() fuckery. increasing it works fine :( anyone know what's going on
Aug 19 03:24:48 <detachYo> today, i finished my first application (alpha state)
Aug 19 03:25:46 <g00s> congrats detachYo
Aug 19 03:26:12 <g00s> now the nihilism sets in
Aug 19 03:29:31 <detachYo> LMFAO
Aug 19 03:29:36 <detachYo> it had set in from day 1
Aug 19 03:29:37 <detachYo> :D
Aug 19 03:54:47 <pfn> apparently there aren't enough tvm calculators in the market, I'm writing another.
Aug 19 04:01:59 <dotDeb> what layout do you use for a listview?
Aug 19 04:02:08 <student01> When an in app purchase completes, which is called - onResume or onStart?
Aug 19 04:02:13 <student01> I assume the former
Aug 19 04:04:44 <g00s> onMoney
Aug 19 04:11:04 <g00s> i think its time for another tip calculator
Aug 19 04:15:15 <creatorb1> hello dev, anyone suggest me how to convert non responsive web to android?
Aug 19 04:16:49 <bankai_au> to an app or to make it work in chrome on android ?
Aug 19 04:31:35 <mints> hello anybody have work on PduPersister.class
Aug 19 04:31:47 <mints> for sending MMS programamtically
Aug 19 04:32:25 <mints> i need to send MMS programmatically in KITKAT
Aug 19 04:34:21 <g00s> who just shouted kitcat ?
Aug 19 04:34:27 <g00s> mints was that you ?
Aug 19 04:36:29 <g00s> wow, the bluetooth core spec is 2600 pages :O
Aug 19 04:36:32 <mints> yeah
Aug 19 04:36:55 <mints> finally into MMS source code
Aug 19 04:36:59 <mints> :(
Aug 19 04:54:35 <shmooz> my tip calculator will come with tips like 'look both ways when crossing the street'
Aug 19 05:21:14 <mints> any hint for MMS forwarding for KITKAT version
Aug 19 06:46:02 <surf2b1> Is there any difference between these two loops? http://pastebin.com/iSqj3AQT
Aug 19 06:46:28 <detachYo> Different as in speed?
Aug 19 06:47:23 <detachYo> I would choose the first one, as far as I know you wouldn't have to create an int for the loop.
Aug 19 06:47:41 <detachYo> which would take up space, but if that's your concern, then you're probably doing something wrong, somewhere.
Aug 19 06:47:56 <detachYo> so, go ahead and use either one, you should be fine in both cases.
Aug 19 06:51:52 <surf2b1> detachYo: yes
Aug 19 06:52:46 <surf2b1> Is the first loop the same as function "one()" here: http://developer.android.com/training/articles/perf-tips.html#Loops (under Use Enhanced For Loop Syntax)?
Aug 19 06:55:04 <detachYo> what do you mean same as?
Aug 19 06:55:08 <detachYo> No they are not.
Aug 19 06:55:14 <detachYo> Second one is closer to the syntax style.
Aug 19 06:55:21 <detachYo> But both should work. What are you trying to do?
Aug 19 06:56:33 <surf2b1> I'm not trying to do anything. I just saw a for loop like the first and was curious if it compiled the same as what the performance tip suggested.
Aug 19 06:57:43 <detachYo> probably didn't compile the same, but they will do the same thing essentially.
Aug 19 07:13:21 <niru> Hi all
Aug 19 07:13:30 <niru> Can someone have a look at http://pastebin.com/6Picmwnh
Aug 19 07:21:12 <niru> sorry thanks got it
Aug 19 08:52:49 <BoD> Hello, World!
Aug 19 08:57:27 <hackable> hello friemnds
Aug 19 08:57:30 <hackable> friends..
Aug 19 08:58:34 <hackable> how to get zipalign working on android studio
Aug 19 08:59:19 <BoD> it works by default
Aug 19 08:59:59 <BoD> imho
Aug 19 09:00:09 <hackable> don't know why is not working on my AS
Aug 19 09:01:07 <StingRay_> hackable: http://bit.ly/1tj7hYV
Aug 19 09:01:35 <capella-s3> hehe
Aug 19 09:09:43 <hackable> Thanks StingRay
Aug 19 09:11:03 <hackable> is working now...
Aug 19 09:11:13 <BoD> :))
Aug 19 09:27:48 <niru> I was getting NullpointerException so was running debug mode
Aug 19 09:28:34 <niru> I am seeing while resuming the debug the it stops at performLaunchActivity and stops
Aug 19 09:29:11 <Estel> You should read the lines that say "Caused by..."
Aug 19 09:32:17 <v_for_vasiliev> hi there :)
Aug 19 09:32:53 <v_for_vasiliev> who knows, how to remove setuid restrictions from 4.3 source?
Aug 19 09:33:59 <BoD> v_for_vasiliev: I don't understand the question
Aug 19 09:36:15 <v_for_vasiliev> http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus4/comments/1jdvi5/ i need to modify kernel source to remove that restriction
Aug 19 09:37:18 <BoD> ah ok no idea
Aug 19 09:37:30 <BoD> are you sure this is the right channel though?
Aug 19 09:37:39 <Zharf> #android-root might serve you better
Aug 19 09:37:42 <v_for_vasiliev> :( thanks anyway :)
Aug 19 09:37:51 <v_for_vasiliev> o
Aug 19 09:37:54 <v_for_vasiliev> right
Aug 19 09:37:58 <v_for_vasiliev> thank you :)
Aug 19 09:40:56 <niru> Estel: Caused by: says Nullpointer exception on onCreate()
Aug 19 09:41:06 <niru> but I dont see any issue there
Aug 19 09:41:10 <Estel> and then it tells you which line.
Aug 19 09:41:54 <niru> 74
Aug 19 09:42:52 <niru>  JSONObject forms=new JSONObject();     forms=sService.getForms();
Aug 19 09:43:37 <BoD> sService is null
Aug 19 09:44:04 <BoD> plus why do you assign form twice?
Aug 19 09:44:12 <BoD> *forms
Aug 19 09:44:33 <niru> ouch
Aug 19 09:45:49 <niru> thanks Estel and BoD
Aug 19 09:46:02 <BoD> my pleasure
Aug 19 09:47:23 <fancy42> Since I exchanged a framework for a newer version I'm getting the "application may be doing to much work on its main thread" error.  Is there a best practice to debug where this is coming from? This should be related to callbacks that might get called more often in the new framework version. It's not just that I'm too lazy writing logs everywhere, but I'm also curious if there are more sophisticated approaches to know what's going on on t
Aug 19 09:47:23 <fancy42> he main thread.
Aug 19 09:50:16 <BoD> Traceview I guess?
Aug 19 09:51:24 <BoD> and/or Systrace
Aug 19 09:55:05 <Estel> Is there a way to emulate SD card unmount on genymotion?
Aug 19 09:57:15 <StingRay_> ask them
Aug 19 09:57:45 <Estel> I might, but checked here first :P
Aug 19 10:08:11 <phyzloc> No activity on Android is guaranteed to stay alive. Does this mean I should build every activity independent? I.e. save all values that are needed to "rebuild" the activity every time?
Aug 19 10:09:42 <BoD> yes
Aug 19 10:09:55 <StingRay_> well thats what onSaveInstanceState() is for phyzloc
Aug 19 10:09:57 <BoD> you need to save the state
Aug 19 10:11:00 <phyzloc> Say you have two activities A to select a category and B to view the content
Aug 19 10:11:42 <phyzloc> So B should save the category id permanently so that if B restarts I should be able to get the right data?
Aug 19 10:12:00 <StingRay_> perm ? no
Aug 19 10:12:08 <StingRay_> just in a bundle for restore
Aug 19 10:12:48 <phyzloc> The data is there even when the app is destroyed?
Aug 19 10:12:53 <StingRay_> no
Aug 19 10:12:57 <StingRay_> all gone
Aug 19 10:13:20 <StingRay_> are you saying this
Aug 19 10:13:27 <StingRay_> user chooses cat B
Aug 19 10:13:34 <StingRay_> in activity B they close
Aug 19 10:13:50 <StingRay_> 4 days later they run your app agani and it needs to start in activity B cat B ?
Aug 19 10:13:59 <phyzloc> yes
Aug 19 10:14:17 <StingRay_> then have a read http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html
Aug 19 10:14:42 <BoD> wait I disagree it will work automatically
Aug 19 10:14:50 <phyzloc> I know the different kinds of storage but don't know how it's typically done
Aug 19 10:15:28 <StingRay_> BoD: so you say after 4 days, after application destroyed and phone reset, it will start at activity b ?
Aug 19 10:15:29 <phyzloc> BoD: What do you mean?
Aug 19 10:15:30 <StingRay_> really ?
Aug 19 10:15:46 <StingRay_> cause I think not :)
Aug 19 10:16:05 <BoD> StingRay_: after the phone is reset, not sure (probably not) but after 4 days, yes... The number of days does not matter :)
Aug 19 10:16:10 <phyzloc> If you take G+ app.. it will always start where you left off
Aug 19 10:16:19 <BoD> yup
Aug 19 10:16:39 <StingRay_> thats persistent save though, not taken from the stack
Aug 19 10:16:52 <BoD> the app is killed, the state is saved, it is restored when it is restarted
Aug 19 10:17:13 <BoD> StingRay_: that's handled by the system
Aug 19 10:17:33 <BoD> with the onSaveInstanceState api
Aug 19 10:18:06 <StingRay_> BoD: sorry but I think you are 100% wrong
Aug 19 10:18:11 <phyzloc> Hmm so if the app gets killed by lack of memory the data bundle is still stored
Aug 19 10:18:23 <BoD> phyzloc: yes
Aug 19 10:18:31 <BoD> StingRay_: prove it :)
Aug 19 10:18:42 <phyzloc> :)
Aug 19 10:18:52 <StingRay_> you want me to prove a negative ?
Aug 19 10:19:18 <BoD> well prove your different interpretation of how it works, which is a positive
Aug 19 10:19:41 <phyzloc> well, I could just test it
Aug 19 10:19:48 <StingRay_> phyzloc:  do so
Aug 19 10:19:58 <StingRay_> never take anyones word for it till you confirm
Aug 19 10:19:59 <StingRay_> ;)
Aug 19 10:20:10 <BoD> if you save your state, and it is not saved... what's the point?
Aug 19 10:20:16 <Estel> Does anyone have an idea why my app's image resources are appearing in the Gallery of some devices? They're being saved to getExternalFilesDir(), so I thought the media scanner wouldn't pick them up?
Aug 19 10:20:32 <StingRay_> yes you can store a state for the restore, android doent do this automatic
Aug 19 10:20:34 <BoD> is that what you're saying happens StingRay_ ?  The state is saved ... and then discarded?
Aug 19 10:21:03 <StingRay_> you store stuff in onSaveInstanceState like I said
Aug 19 10:21:06 <StingRay_> in a bundle
Aug 19 10:21:15 <StingRay_> this does not persist if the application is killed though
Aug 19 10:21:26 <StingRay_> only if it is restored
Aug 19 10:21:34 <StingRay_> killed > started
Aug 19 10:21:39 <StingRay_> paused > restored
Aug 19 10:21:49 <StingRay_> as is my basic none-programmery view on it
Aug 19 10:21:51 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 10:23:40 <BoD> well the javadoc of onSaveInstanceState says "This method is called before an activity may be killed so that when it comes back some time in the future it can restore its state. For example, if activity B is launched in front of activity A, and at some point activity A is killed to reclaim resources, activity A will have a chance to save the current state of its user interface via this method so that
Aug 19 10:23:42 <BoD> when the user returns to activity A, the state of the user interface can be restored via onCreate(Bundle) or onRestoreInstanceState(Bundle)."
Aug 19 10:24:00 <StingRay_> Acitity yes
Aug 19 10:24:04 <StingRay_> not application
Aug 19 10:24:09 <BoD> of course it depends on what they mean by "killed"
Aug 19 10:24:09 <StingRay_> activity*
Aug 19 10:24:26 <BoD> I think it means the process is killed
Aug 19 10:27:18 <StingRay_> it means activity like it says
Aug 19 10:27:34 <phyzloc> Ok, so it either holds the data or not. If not, then we should save it manually
Aug 19 10:27:37 <BoD> how can you kill an Activity :)
Aug 19 10:28:03 <StingRay_> asking the app class to pause
Aug 19 10:28:21 <StingRay_> well no kill, background/pause
Aug 19 10:28:32 <phyzloc> You can call finish() on it :)
Aug 19 10:28:35 <StingRay_> but if the app is removed there is no storage of the bundle
Aug 19 10:28:43 <StingRay_> for the activites
Aug 19 10:28:49 <BoD> yeah ... no :) I'm pretty sure killing means killing the *process*
Aug 19 10:29:36 <BoD> phyzloc: try it, save your state, then kill your app and see if you get it back
Aug 19 10:29:57 <phyzloc> Yeah I'll try it
Aug 19 10:30:20 <BoD> if you do I was right ;) if not StingRay_ was right ;(
Aug 19 10:30:30 <phyzloc> hehe
Aug 19 10:31:25 <StingRay_> easy way is just check if the bundle in onCreate is null… null == started    and not restored
Aug 19 10:31:51 <BoD> exactly
Aug 19 10:32:39 <StingRay_> now look at how fragments "to be restored works" as in practive, you check if it's null, if it is then create, if not use fragmentManager to reattach etc
Aug 19 10:33:06 <StingRay_> practice*
Aug 19 10:33:17 <StingRay_> dam I need more coffee
Aug 19 10:34:25 <BoD> but that proves nothing :) the fragments states are just saved in the same way
Aug 19 10:35:00 <StingRay_> but by your logic, a fragment would stay in the fragmentManager from the second you lauch the app to the moment your phone powers down
Aug 19 10:35:02 <StingRay_> lol
Aug 19 10:35:05 <StingRay_> thats just not the case
Aug 19 10:35:19 <BoD> well the fragmentmanager's state is saved
Aug 19 10:35:35 <BoD> so yeah it's the case :)
Aug 19 10:35:39 <BoD> brb lunch
Aug 19 10:35:40 <StingRay_> not what I said, I said that bundle is an indication as to if they are in the fragmentManager
Aug 19 10:35:56 <StingRay_> as in if it is started or restored
Aug 19 10:36:02 <StingRay_> anyways try for yourself
Aug 19 10:38:37 <daftbunny> hello
Aug 19 10:38:39 <daftbunny> :}
Aug 19 10:38:44 <daentech> hi all, does anyone have much experience with accessibility?
Aug 19 11:00:01 <EPG> daentech, ask a more specific question about your problem
Aug 19 11:04:20 <StingRay_> phyzloc: did you do your little test ?
Aug 19 11:37:54 <mlq> Hello, I am using 'android:icon="@android:drawable/ic_menu_send"' in the menu item definition in the XML file, but the icon does not show up. Any idea what I am missing?
Aug 19 11:38:53 <phyzloc> StingRay_: It's hard to make android destroy an activity
Aug 19 11:38:54 <phyzloc> :)
Aug 19 11:39:28 <BoD> just kill your app with recent tasks / swipe
Aug 19 11:39:31 <BoD> or with ddms
Aug 19 11:39:37 <BoD> or adb shell kill -9 pid
Aug 19 11:39:45 <StingRay_> or real world run 20 or so apps after it :)
Aug 19 11:40:00 <BoD> or settings / apps
Aug 19 11:40:11 <phyzloc> if I swipe-kill it then savedInstanceState becomes null
Aug 19 11:40:17 <StingRay_> shocker
Aug 19 11:40:38 <phyzloc> If I kill the app from app manager it also becomes null
Aug 19 11:41:34 <StingRay_> again, shocker, enough jest now though, so your options are maybe sharedPrefs to store info so that you can read and restore position
Aug 19 11:41:48 <StingRay_> thats what I do
Aug 19 11:42:05 <defer> yeah, some apps proactively store internal uris that point towards specific activities/states within them
Aug 19 11:42:08 <defer> that works.
Aug 19 11:42:23 <StingRay_> yeah in some persistant storage
Aug 19 11:42:46 <StingRay_> I think I just stored activity path names that I wanted constructed again
Aug 19 11:42:55 <StingRay_> but since take that out of my app
Aug 19 11:43:15 <defer> yeah, it has the benefit that it persists across reboots. I've done that as well but as a user sometimes it's annoying because you don't expect it
Aug 19 11:44:27 <StingRay_> BoD: tbh not sure how you have been writing apps that worked based on your assumption ? unless you never used that assumption
Aug 19 11:45:37 <BoD> ahah :) that's a bit harsh. You could totally write a functionning app even if you were wrong about its state being restored after processes are killed
Aug 19 11:46:10 <StingRay_> no I dont mean to be harsh, I mean if you thought you were correct you must have done something similar ?
Aug 19 11:46:27 <StingRay_> but I have no idea how it would have worked…maybe black magic :)
Aug 19 11:47:35 <phyzloc> Since I had trouble getting the activity killed by itself then maybe this situation doesn't occur very often in real life
Aug 19 11:47:39 <BoD> ah ok :) No it's just that I had the impression that after killing apps and restarting them you would not lose the state. And now I'm trying and indeed it does not work! I am suprised :) How did I not notice this before?
Aug 19 11:47:59 <StingRay_> phyzloc: it does
Aug 19 11:48:03 <StingRay_> lots,
Aug 19 11:48:12 <defer> ^
Aug 19 11:48:14 <StingRay_> user runs another silly app that uses all mem
Aug 19 11:48:19 <StingRay_> your app dies
Aug 19 11:48:19 <defer> meet the low memory killer.
Aug 19 11:48:22 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 11:48:53 <StingRay_> like if he/she runs my app, yours is totally gone get killed
Aug 19 11:48:54 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 11:49:45 <phyzloc> When you look at the lifecycle diagram you'll see that only after onPause and onStop the flow goes through "Process is killed" box. Not after onDestroy
Aug 19 11:50:18 <StingRay_> onDestroy is not guaranteed
Aug 19 11:50:41 <phyzloc> mm
Aug 19 11:51:09 <StingRay_> just assume that in the background it can get lost
Aug 19 11:51:25 <StingRay_> like cant find way home, taken by a tribe, cooked and eaten type lost
Aug 19 11:51:27 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 11:51:31 <phyzloc> Yeah, the app should be built that way
Aug 19 11:51:39 <BoD> WAIT
Aug 19 11:51:40 <erry> https://developers.google.com/+/quickstart/android  if i create a client key from the certificate in my machine, for an app, will it work if my colleague compiles the same app in his machine?
Aug 19 11:51:42 <erry> if that makes any sense
Aug 19 11:52:29 <StingRay_> erry: if you give him the same keystore
Aug 19 11:52:52 <BoD> I just tried with an app, Activity A -> Activity B -> typing something in one TextView -> Home -> Kill with ddms -> recent tasks, restart the app, I'm on activity B with my text
Aug 19 11:53:17 <StingRay_> Activity B did not die
Aug 19 11:53:19 <phyzloc> That's weird
Aug 19 11:53:24 <BoD> the whole process died
Aug 19 11:53:33 <BoD> so, including activity B
Aug 19 11:54:23 <StingRay_> depends on task lauch mode
Aug 19 11:54:34 <StingRay_> oh dam I need coffee again  launch*
Aug 19 11:54:40 <BoD> waaaat :)
Aug 19 11:54:57 <StingRay_> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html
Aug 19 11:55:23 <BoD> yeah no ok but... no :)
Aug 19 11:55:57 <StingRay_> just swipe it away and try
Aug 19 11:56:02 <BoD> ok
Aug 19 11:56:15 <StingRay_> and leave the horse dead
Aug 19 11:56:20 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 11:56:31 <BoD> does not work when I swipe
Aug 19 11:56:33 <erry> StingRay_, aha
Aug 19 11:56:42 <BoD> works 100% by killing with ddms
Aug 19 11:56:45 <erry> StingRay_, is the debug keystore always the same?
Aug 19 11:57:06 <StingRay_> erry well empty and not signing a release for debug is the norm
Aug 19 11:57:18 <StingRay_> BoD: well, just get users to do that then :)
Aug 19 11:57:26 <StingRay_> rathen than confining it to dev tools
Aug 19 11:57:27 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 11:57:33 <StingRay_> rather*
Aug 19 11:57:44 <erry> StingRay_, i can't leave it empty when creating a client id?
Aug 19 11:57:48 * StingRay_ goes for coffee, brain not owkring
Aug 19 11:58:13 <StingRay_> release, not debug
Aug 19 11:58:51 <BoD> StingRay_: there are probably different ways that an app can be killed, and one of these ways makes the state be restored, and another one doesn't
Aug 19 11:58:52 <StingRay_> BoD: at least we now know how you came to that conclusion :)
Aug 19 11:59:05 <BoD> now the question is
Aug 19 11:59:11 <StingRay_> and all User usecases are what I said
Aug 19 11:59:15 <BoD> if it is killed by the system to save resources
Aug 19 11:59:17 <StingRay_> and they are in the docs someplace too
Aug 19 11:59:20 <BoD> which one is it? ;)
Aug 19 11:59:53 <StingRay_> dead horse is what it is
Aug 19 11:59:55 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 12:00:06 <StingRay_> all use cases have to be user centric
Aug 19 12:00:17 <StingRay_> unless the app is not for release and some odd debug aid tool thingy
Aug 19 12:01:09 <BoD> well if the system kills the app to save resources, this is a normal and frequent and user centric case?
Aug 19 12:01:27 <StingRay_> yes but adb kill is not what the system calls
Aug 19 12:02:02 <BoD> there was an article somewhere explaining the different ways (and differences) a process can be kiled... Trying to find it again now
Aug 19 12:02:43 <StingRay_> not really interested tbh, sorry  :)
Aug 19 12:02:47 <phyzloc> Maybe Android cleans everything (including bundle) if user delibretly kills the app but no if Android does it
Aug 19 12:03:09 <BoD> phyzloc: I think that's probably the case
Aug 19 12:03:22 <StingRay_> no
Aug 19 12:03:24 <StingRay_> ugh
Aug 19 12:03:26 <StingRay_> try it
Aug 19 12:03:32 <StingRay_> you can test these things
Aug 19 12:03:35 <BoD> what do you mean try it :) we just did
Aug 19 12:03:42 <StingRay_> not with dev commands
Aug 19 12:03:42 <phyzloc> :)
Aug 19 12:03:54 <BoD> swipe: state discarded   kill -9 : state kept
Aug 19 12:04:14 <StingRay_> yes now prove that is the case if android decides to do it
Aug 19 12:04:34 <BoD> ok I'll try :)
Aug 19 12:04:39 <StingRay_> you will fail
Aug 19 12:04:44 <StingRay_> the horse is beyond dead now
Aug 19 12:04:46 <BoD> maybe
Aug 19 12:04:48 <StingRay_> it's in a grave :)
Aug 19 12:04:55 <StingRay_> and I have said goodbye  :)
Aug 19 12:05:01 <BoD> but Science™ will have advanced
Aug 19 12:05:03 <BoD> :)
Aug 19 12:05:09 <phyzloc> I started several apps to consume resources (including ingress) but my test app never died :-/
Aug 19 12:05:23 <BoD> phyzloc: I think there are apps or tools that can help for that
Aug 19 12:05:37 <StingRay_> takes lots of mem, image apps, chrome image search etc
Aug 19 12:05:39 <BoD> but first I want to find the article I remember
Aug 19 12:05:41 <StingRay_> easy to do though
Aug 19 12:07:28 <StingRay_> phyzloc: ask SimonVT or JakeWharton or someone like that for a def answer, or any pro, they will tell you about it
Aug 19 12:11:40 <BoD> does that make me a pro if I am correct?
Aug 19 12:11:44 <BoD> ;)
Aug 19 12:13:35 <StingRay_> BoD: point me to some apps you have done
Aug 19 12:13:40 * StingRay_ is interested now
Aug 19 12:13:43 <meital> does anyone have an example of comparing 2 audio files and getting the diff between them?
Aug 19 12:13:50 <Zharf> backlog too long to figure out what the problem is
Aug 19 12:13:57 <BoD> StingRay_: later :)
Aug 19 12:14:32 <StingRay_> BoD: ? and out of interest do any of them have design and implementation based on your assumptions ?
Aug 19 12:15:36 <BoD> not really. The only assumption here is: you should save your activity state, because your activity will be recreated.
Aug 19 12:16:25 <StingRay_> what did you mean later ?
Aug 19 12:16:56 <BoD> I mean I'm googling right now :) trying to find this article
Aug 19 12:17:10 <StingRay_> no i mean point me to some apps you have done
Aug 19 12:17:15 <StingRay_> interested to see
Aug 19 12:17:23 <BoD> yes but can you wait?
Aug 19 12:17:47 <Zharf> you can test your lifecycle stuff if you enable killing activities as they're put on background
Aug 19 12:18:10 <StingRay_> Zharf: oh yeah, forgot about that
Aug 19 12:18:13 <snowpong> anyone manage to build mixpanel library with Android Studio? I've got some problems importing the project - gradle isn't setup correctly it seems
Aug 19 12:18:15 <StingRay_> in dev settings  :)
Aug 19 12:18:37 <Zharf> yep
Aug 19 12:18:44 <Zharf> it's actually useful
Aug 19 12:19:02 <StingRay_> dam yes, but odly forgotten quite easy :)  well by me
Aug 19 12:19:04 <Zharf> managed to recreate a random/rare crash with it
Aug 19 12:21:33 <Zharf> ooo, just saw a black&tan shiba... me want
Aug 19 12:23:21 <Jesperhead> trying to pre-load some resources during my intro animation because server is sometimes a little slow. Unfortunately it doesnt appear that anything is being left in the cache
Aug 19 12:24:00 <StingRay_> are the resources needed ?
Aug 19 12:24:07 <StingRay_> for the app to work kinda thing
Aug 19 12:24:26 <StingRay_> cause that seems risky, specially with mobile
Aug 19 12:26:00 <StingRay_> BoD: dont search too hard, there maybe ways that it will auto restore based on x,y,z  point is it's not a guarentee so cannot be accounted, so need to design around it
Aug 19 12:26:07 <StingRay_> if your still searching btw
Aug 19 12:26:09 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 12:26:48 <BoD> well at least I found the article I remembered :) => http://www.doubleencore.com/2014/06/effects-android-application-termination/
Aug 19 12:27:06 <BoD> but it is irrelevent to this discussion :(
Aug 19 12:27:10 <StingRay_> so is what you say possible, maybe/yes.  Should that come into consideration … totally not  :)
Aug 19 12:27:23 <StingRay_> you can get dethTickes too
Aug 19 12:27:55 <BoD> dethTickes?
Aug 19 12:28:07 <StingRay_> deathTicket from binder to know that it has actually died
Aug 19 12:28:26 <molavy> hi
Aug 19 12:28:27 <BoD> oh, never heard of this
Aug 19 12:28:35 <molavy> can someone help me with this
Aug 19 12:28:36 <molavy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25383374/find-longest-straight-line-in-live-cameraafter-edge-detection-filter
Aug 19 12:28:38 <Jesperhead> StingRay_ yes unfortunately. I've brought up the need for a native ui and they want a webview. insanity i know.
Aug 19 12:29:34 <StingRay_> molavy: thats qutie a task
Aug 19 12:29:41 <StingRay_> good luck
Aug 19 12:29:54 <StingRay_> happy learning :)
Aug 19 12:30:07 <jonc> why would I get:  java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: com.di.stardm.ui.fragments.breathing.BreathingStrategyFragment.getChildFragmentManager   on some devices and not others?
Aug 19 12:30:45 <molavy> StingRay_: give me some keyword about it
Aug 19 12:30:56 <molavy> for search and find sample codes
Aug 19 12:31:09 <jonc> \
Aug 19 12:31:41 <StingRay_> http://potrace.sourceforge.net/
Aug 19 12:32:11 <StingRay_> the path/vector/bez whatever is down to you to do all the calc on it and searches
Aug 19 12:32:21 <jonc> ignore the /, tablet hit the other keyboard
Aug 19 12:33:28 <molavy> StingRay_: thanks
Aug 19 12:34:02 <StingRay_> molavy: cause getting what you want is loads more than just he simple edge filter on a bitmap, gettings a nice trace with paths is down to many things, and more than often is a visual tweak thing, not an entire automated process
Aug 19 12:34:20 <snowpong> If even the most basic stuff like include ':app' or buildscript is underlined in .gradle files in Android Studio "Cannot resolve symbol" - what is wrong? I mean it hasn't even gotten to the dependencies step that includes the gradle plugin?
Aug 19 12:36:55 <fancy42> I'm getting the error "shared lib <path-to-lib> already loaded in same CL 0x425b1cb8". What does it mean? I'm using a framework that's doing native stuff, so it's kind of hard to pinpoint the line that may be responsible for this.
Aug 19 12:38:49 <BoD> StingRay_ and phyzloc I just reproduced this use case: start app on activity A, go to activity B, type something in TextView, home, start lots of other apps, notice that my app is killed, restart it with recent tasks: my text is here
Aug 19 12:39:45 <StingRay_> BoD: see my last sentence …or to recap, yes no maybe, it really does not matter as it cannot be taken as a constant… so irrelevant to the actual design
Aug 19 12:39:55 <BoD> I agree to that
Aug 19 12:40:05 <BoD> but ... I was right :) :) :) :) :)
Aug 19 12:40:06 <StingRay_> in addition pointless to discuss :)
Aug 19 12:40:08 <StingRay_> no
Aug 19 12:40:18 <BoD> yes, totally
Aug 19 12:40:27 <StingRay_> yes you can create a non-constant case for app termination
Aug 19 12:40:45 <StingRay_> no, that is irrellevant and not the way to do things :)
Aug 19 12:40:50 <StingRay_> so yes,no
Aug 19 12:41:13 <StingRay_> but with the added, ignore that case …added to the end
Aug 19 12:41:25 <BoD> but I was right when I replied YES to the question "is the state given in onSaveInstanceState" kept by the system
Aug 19 12:41:33 <BoD> "
Aug 19 12:41:35 <BoD> :)
Aug 19 12:41:51 <StingRay_> erm … ok yes your were correct in a way that happens or may not happen
Aug 19 12:41:58 <BoD> ahaha :)
Aug 19 12:42:02 <StingRay_> there are common cases where it is no
Aug 19 12:42:11 <StingRay_> and therefore silly to use or assume
Aug 19 12:42:18 <StingRay_> hence no, do not design apps that way
Aug 19 12:42:20 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 12:42:45 <StingRay_> but if it helps your ego, yes totally correct, now show me the apps you have done that way, cause 1 swipe away from death :)
Aug 19 12:42:47 <Zharf> another random/possibly useful info, text fields retain their text if they have an id set
Aug 19 12:43:14 <BoD> yup
Aug 19 12:43:23 <Zharf> I haven't followed this discussion at all
Aug 19 12:43:57 <BoD> StingRay_: here are some apps I made http://JRAF.org/android
Aug 19 12:44:45 <BoD> I don't think you'll find anything related to that question in any of them :) they are simple apps
Aug 19 12:45:49 <StingRay_> yes maybe not…. but anyway my ending point given you have 8x more experience than me is maybe dont give advice that maybe will cause some1 to design in a way that is quite wrong
Aug 19 12:46:18 <StingRay_> not meaning that in a bad way, and not condescending either since you are a programmer and I'm not
Aug 19 12:46:23 <StingRay_> just saying be careful :)
Aug 19 12:46:42 <BoD> well I was just trying to answer precisely to a question
Aug 19 12:46:57 <BoD> independently of design considerations
Aug 19 12:47:32 <StingRay_> is it safe to assume a bundle is always given on restore of an app ?
Aug 19 12:47:34 <StingRay_> no it is not
Aug 19 12:47:36 <StingRay_> lol
Aug 19 12:47:50 <StingRay_> look …say what you want :)  I think I will bow out of this discussion
Aug 19 12:48:04 <BoD> it's ok :)
Aug 19 12:48:09 <BoD> no hard feelings
Aug 19 12:49:41 <StingRay_> no hard feelings at all, I've very new, I just though complex app knew that you cannot assume it's going to be there or restored based on many factors
Aug 19 12:49:48 <StingRay_> i'm*
Aug 19 12:50:04 <Zharf> why do I not think you're new...
Aug 19 12:50:22 <StingRay_> well new is relative
Aug 19 12:50:22 <Zharf> it feels like I've seen you around for years
Aug 19 12:50:27 <StingRay_> 2 years maybe
Aug 19 12:50:35 <StingRay_> new compared to BoD
Aug 19 12:50:47 <Zharf> I don't know BoD
Aug 19 12:50:54 <StingRay_> new as in java
Aug 19 12:50:57 <StingRay_> android etc
Aug 19 12:51:04 <BoD> I'm new on this chan :)
Aug 19 12:51:56 <StingRay_> BoD: 12+ years      me 2-3 years if that with no formal teachings,  me = new
Aug 19 12:52:03 <StingRay_> thats what I mean new
Aug 19 12:52:17 <BoD> yup
Aug 19 12:52:20 <Zharf> formal teaching is useless in this field, imo
Aug 19 12:53:13 <StingRay_> Zharf: is it though
Aug 19 12:53:28 <Zharf> I learnt all I know on my own
Aug 19 12:53:30 <StingRay_> I feel like I know android as a platform enough to do some pretty good and different apps
Aug 19 12:53:45 <StingRay_> but I dont feel like I know OOP and Java enought to call myself a real programmer
Aug 19 12:53:57 <StingRay_> enough*
Aug 19 12:55:21 <Zharf> I've been a developer since before high school though
Aug 19 12:57:04 <Zharf> I never graduated from univ because it was so boring and I felt that the courses didn't provide me anything new
Aug 19 12:57:31 <Zharf> instead I spent the time writing software -.-
Aug 19 12:58:24 <mgreg> i learnt a few useful things at university: writing compilers, data structures, AI techniques and algorithms
Aug 19 12:58:47 <mgreg> useufl things I learned commercially are to do with project management, and design patterns
Aug 19 12:59:06 <p_l> mgreg: University's biggest useful thing for me was exposing me to things I wouldn't encounter otherwise :)
Aug 19 13:00:04 <mgreg> we were taught java/C/c++ etc, but I didn't truly get to grips with C++ until I started writing my dissertation
Aug 19 13:00:07 <Zharf> I'm contemplating on becoming a taxi driver like the rest of my family unless I find a non-mobile/web development job soon... I'm getting sick of this
Aug 19 13:00:51 <jonc> The degree gets your foot in the door
Aug 19 13:01:13 <Zharf> meh
Aug 19 13:01:34 <jonc> So unless you've done a lot of networking it will be rather difficult to get past most HR departments without a degree
Aug 19 13:01:45 <Zharf> degrees have nothing to do with actual knowledge... so many useless "programmers" graduate each year
Aug 19 13:02:08 <BoD> wow really taxi driving > android dev?
Aug 19 13:02:11 <Zharf> bigger problem for me in finding a non-mobile/non-web job is that finland does nothing but those two
Aug 19 13:02:13 <jonc> and? So many useless programmers think that they don't need a degree also. It's hit or miss in both
Aug 19 13:02:35 <mgreg> Zharf, intel do a lot of non-mobile stuff over there
Aug 19 13:02:37 <Zharf> I get job offers all the time...
Aug 19 13:02:40 <capella> Heh - there's no money in software :) That stuff's free!
Aug 19 13:02:51 <Zharf> mgreg, also big corporations suck
Aug 19 13:03:13 <mgreg> they also pay the bills...
Aug 19 13:03:28 <Zharf> I don't care about the money, I just want interesting problems to solve
Aug 19 13:03:34 <capella> sucker
Aug 19 13:03:34 <mgreg> their open source department is based there
Aug 19 13:04:19 <Zharf> I make about two thirds of what others demand and I can't figure out what to do with the money :p
Aug 19 13:05:10 <jonc> save it to retire early and do your own thing later?
Aug 19 13:07:52 <Zharf> I hope I die before I retire, there's nothing else to do than work
Aug 19 13:10:13 <BoD> that's pretty grim
Aug 19 13:10:19 <mgreg> travel the world,take up motorcycling and rally driving
Aug 19 13:10:40 <Zharf> I don't see the point in any of that
Aug 19 13:10:50 <mgreg> have you tried it?
Aug 19 13:11:05 <BoD> are you depressed Zharf?
Aug 19 13:11:11 <mgreg> i never really like motorcycles until i got on one and had a lesson
Aug 19 13:11:12 <Zharf> fossil fuels are used way too much in the world anyway
Aug 19 13:11:55 <ocx> does an android read hls h264/aac livestreams?
Aug 19 13:12:07 <Zharf> not very well
Aug 19 13:12:13 <jonc> http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html
Aug 19 13:12:44 <Zharf> BoD, I wouldn't say that
Aug 19 13:13:19 <jonc> I like working on side projects. So if I could that's probably what I would do all the time.
Aug 19 13:13:43 <jonc> www.myflixfinder.com  I worked on that after work probably pretty close to full time for 3-4 months
Aug 19 13:14:14 <ocx> Zharf: what is best to use for livestreaming
Aug 19 13:14:17 <ocx> what codecs protcols
Aug 19 13:14:34 <jonc> ocx, I've been looking into this for a bit. What is your major concern?
Aug 19 13:14:40 <mgreg> also depending on your commitments you could move to another country for work
Aug 19 13:14:45 <jonc> Latency, quality, bandwidth?
Aug 19 13:14:47 <ocx> i wanna read a livestream on my android
Aug 19 13:14:58 <ocx> all
Aug 19 13:15:01 <Zharf> mgreg, I could, but I melt at over 20 degrees celcius
Aug 19 13:15:34 <mgreg> the UK and holland are fairly mild, we only get 5 dqays of warm weather a year
Aug 19 13:15:36 <jonc> Well the HTTP protocol is what netflix uses. It splits a video into X length time based segments. THen you buffer time segments
Aug 19 13:15:48 <jonc> so you typically have a several second (minimum) delay
Aug 19 13:16:02 <jonc> RTSP is closer to real time if I remember right
Aug 19 13:16:17 <StingRay_> are netflix ever going to ditch silverLight ? and how is that done on android and not on linux ?
Aug 19 13:16:30 <Zharf> mgreg, I have considered it, we'll see what happens
Aug 19 13:16:35 <Zharf> norway might be nice
Aug 19 13:16:50 <mgreg> Zharf, if you don't like something, change it, what's the worst that could happen ;)
Aug 19 13:17:03 <jonc> StingRay_, the netflix mobile app does the decoding. Yes, they have already created an HTML5 video player for I believe chrome. (Released recently)
Aug 19 13:17:13 <mgreg> I know a couple of people that got jobs in norway and ended up staying there
Aug 19 13:17:50 <jonc> http://techreport.com/news/26897/new-chrome-beta-enables-html5-netflix-on-linux
Aug 19 13:17:51 <Zharf> mgreg, I'm lazy and afraid of flying :p
Aug 19 13:17:51 <p_l> StingRay_: Chromecast actually has a linux program for watching netflix...
Aug 19 13:18:13 <p_l> (it's just a) for ARM b) probably a PITA to get running outside of chromecast ;))
Aug 19 13:18:22 <mgreg> Zharf, fear of flying or fear of change?
Aug 19 13:18:27 <Zharf> flying
Aug 19 13:18:35 <jonc> I love flying
Aug 19 13:18:47 <Syzygy> Is there a way I can define a default way a gridlayout is filled up? e.g. normal default is from left to right, top to bottom. but could I set the way it's filled from top to bottom left to right?
Aug 19 13:18:49 * p_l has not flown enough in recent years :(
Aug 19 13:18:49 <Zharf> well, heights really it is
Aug 19 13:19:03 <jonc> I didn't do it until I was 18, but it is awesome. Like a smooth bus (most of the time)
Aug 19 13:19:23 <snowpong> OK - so Android Libraries cannot be stand alone projects but only exist as Modules in Android Studio / Gradle? What does library makers do when they build .aar files and want to upload them. Make a "dummu" Android projects that has the library as the only module or?
Aug 19 13:19:25 <jonc> I only do it 1-2 times a year
Aug 19 13:19:28 <mgreg> i enjoy the turbulence and taking off :D
Aug 19 13:19:31 <p_l> Zharf: have you actually tried flying? I get a bit fearful of heights, don't give a damn while flying and generally doing dangerous things
Aug 19 13:19:46 <Zharf> p_l, yes, I went to turkey and back in the late 90s
Aug 19 13:19:48 <erry> so i have in build.gradle:     compile 'com.google.android.gms:play-services:5.2.08'
Aug 19 13:19:58 <erry> but i'm getting  GooglePlayServicesUtil﹕ Google Play services out of date.  Requires 5208000 but found 5089038
Aug 19 13:21:02 <erry> i have google play services rev 19 under extras
Aug 19 13:21:13 <jonc> I would love to learn to flyt
Aug 19 13:21:15 <jonc> fly*
Aug 19 13:21:19 <StingRay_> whrer are you getting that erry ?
Aug 19 13:21:47 <erry> StingRay_, it's logged in logcat when i try to do the connect() on the google play client
Aug 19 13:22:03 <StingRay_> so the devices play services is not up to date ?
Aug 19 13:22:15 <StingRay_> build with older version I guess ?
Aug 19 13:22:16 <StingRay_> maybe
Aug 19 13:22:49 <Estel> Yeah build with a version you have on your phone
Aug 19 13:23:11 <Estel> play-services:5.0.89
Aug 19 13:23:16 <erry> ajhh
Aug 19 13:23:21 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 13:24:18 <erry> that wokrs!! thanks <3
Aug 19 13:25:10 <ocx> so guys
Aug 19 13:25:16 <ocx> https hls is good on android or not
Aug 19 13:25:23 <ocx> i am running 4.4.2
Aug 19 13:25:55 <Zharf> when I tried it, it "worked"... has some issues and not able to seek
Aug 19 13:26:05 <Zharf> so I wrote my own hls player using mediacodec
Aug 19 13:26:38 <ocx> Zharf: did you try a livestream?
Aug 19 13:26:44 <ocx> why would you want to seek a livestream
Aug 19 13:27:02 <jonc> seek isn't universally supported. I don't know if it is part of the spec or not
Aug 19 13:27:17 <Zharf> why not? also our requirements had playing old clips
Aug 19 13:27:28 <Zharf> jonc, yeah, but it's fairly easy to implement
Aug 19 13:27:31 <ocx> i dont care about seeking
Aug 19 13:27:34 <ocx> its a livestream
Aug 19 13:27:41 <Estel> Oh then it's a good job I don't either ???
Aug 19 13:27:42 <jonc> hls will introduce several seconds of delay
Aug 19 13:27:54 <Zharf> indeed
Aug 19 13:28:15 <Estel> Seeking on iPlayer is incredibly useful, for example
Aug 19 13:28:31 <jonc> since it buffers 3 chunks. Each chunk will probably be a few seconds (you base it off of key frames if I remember right)
Aug 19 13:28:51 <jonc> I think Netflix uses something like 8 second chunks
Aug 19 13:28:56 <ocx> why do you wanna seek on a livestream!?!?!?
Aug 19 13:29:24 <jonc> you could implement seeking backward, but if it isn't part of your requirements, don't worry about it
Aug 19 13:29:40 <Estel> ocx: because I want to rewind thirty seconds and see what I missed when I suddenly had to get the door
Aug 19 13:30:02 <Estel> because I want to go back to the beginning of the program because I started watching it late
Aug 19 13:30:07 <Zharf> jonc, yep
Aug 19 13:31:10 <jonc> the hls protocol isn't overly complicated even. It's mostly just queuing up chunks while asking for the next chunk
Aug 19 13:31:41 <Zharf> decoding and playing the segments properly is more complicated
Aug 19 13:32:00 <Zharf> even with (or because of? ;) mediacodec
Aug 19 13:32:17 <jonc> yeah, but you could just use the codecs already built in (I would hope) for that
Aug 19 13:32:22 <Zharf> such a crap interface and implementation
Aug 19 13:32:51 <ocx> should the encoded data be in h264 baseline?
Aug 19 13:33:06 <Zharf> doesn't matter
Aug 19 13:33:12 <Zharf> android can decode main profile too
Aug 19 13:33:18 <Zharf> just not encode
Aug 19 13:33:33 <jonc> h264 will give you some of the best quality for size
Aug 19 13:36:41 <jonc> What do I need to do when a GLSurfaceview is no longer being used
Aug 19 13:36:58 <jonc> in the onPause of it's parent view I delete the shader programs, and then delete the texture I was using
Aug 19 13:37:56 <jonc> but something weird happens if I go back from that page sometimes. All the colors in my app (for the theme) go away
Aug 19 13:38:33 <Zharf> I seem to recall a similar problem with some application...
Aug 19 13:43:13 <jonc> I think I found some part of the issue: E/OpenGLRenderer? GL_INVALID_VALUE
Aug 19 13:52:25 <jonc> http://pastebin.com/Vb4eqr56  the last line prints the INVALID_OPERATION error code ofr glUniform1i
Aug 19 13:52:41 <jonc> hmmm
Aug 19 13:54:04 <jonc> the fragement lifecycle is onDestroyView always called when say an app is put in the background?
Aug 19 13:59:51 <ron_frown> damn it I am tired
Aug 19 14:00:36 <BoD> jonc: nobody knows
Aug 19 14:00:58 <BoD> it's one of the great unresolved mysteries of the universe
Aug 19 14:01:39 <jonc> haha
Aug 19 14:01:45 <BoD> :)
Aug 19 14:01:58 <jonc> I looked at the fragment life cycle, and at a first glance it wasn't obvious. I think I found my problem anyways
Aug 19 14:02:09 <BoD> ok
Aug 19 14:03:57 <jonc> from the pastebin that I posted a few minutes ago. I am getting an invalid operation from the GLES20.glUniform1(textureHandle, 0);
Aug 19 14:05:14 <jonc> but only after I close the app and reopen it
Aug 19 14:13:02 <lordgreg> hi all- when creating intent for new alarmmanager, should i rather use Intent.FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT or Intent.FLAG_CANCEL_CURRENT?
Aug 19 14:15:10 <ocx> should the encoded data be in h264 baseline?
Aug 19 14:15:48 <BoD> lordgreg: I use UPDATE and it works well
Aug 19 14:17:30 <lordgreg> BoD: yea, i don't use any extras that would be wiped or anything; The problem I was having is that everytime i've reopened my app i've created new object alarm and within new UniqueID that was passed into sent into PendingIntent.getBroadcast as requestCode. You can imagine that i've had tons of same alarms for the same thing after few reopens -.-
Aug 19 14:18:02 <lordgreg> passing correct "objectID" as uniqueid should fix the thing
Aug 19 14:30:13 <lordgreg> BoD: bug found and fixed :) ty for info
Aug 19 14:30:28 <BoD> well de nada :)
Aug 19 14:39:02 <alexfu> is there a way to get native code errors to show up in logcat?
Aug 19 14:39:17 <hackable> hello friends... trying to make use of viewpager and tab, i keep reciving backstack Error information
Aug 19 14:39:29 <hackable> Anyone have any idea what's happening?
Aug 19 14:39:39 <r00s> stack trace?
Aug 19 14:39:55 <hackable> yes r00s
Aug 19 14:41:31 <cobra-the-joker> Hey there , i have a problem here in ADT .... i installed it from the known site but nothing actually changed ( the menus and the project creation wizzard ) ... and it didnt prompt me to select where the SDK is ... any help ?
Aug 19 14:41:35 <hackable> hello poooooo
Aug 19 14:42:52 <alexfu> hackable: r00s meant to please post the stacktrace of your error.
Aug 19 14:43:55 <BoD> also known as "logs|gtfo"
Aug 19 14:51:55 <jonc> I figured out my opengl issue. I don't need to delete the programs onPause. It handles that all for me!
Aug 19 14:52:05 <hackable> ok
Aug 19 14:52:15 <hackable> thanks alexfu
Aug 19 14:54:45 <hackable> android.support.v4.app.BackStackRecord.doAddOp(BackStackRecord.java:394)
Aug 19 14:54:51 <cobra-the-joker> soooooo ... about the ADT problem ... anyone knows how to fix it ?
Aug 19 14:55:04 <hackable> thats the error when using viewpager and tab together
Aug 19 14:56:13 <hackable> java.lang.NullPointerException
Aug 19 14:56:17 <StingRay_> hackable:  http://bit.ly/1w4XNG9
Aug 19 14:56:59 <StingRay_> and http://bit.ly/1w4XScR
Aug 19 14:57:26 <StingRay_> you really should stop comming back here with nullPointerExceptions … sorry to say it  :)
Aug 19 14:57:39 <jvrodrigues> i always have to laugh when i click a lmgtfy link
Aug 19 14:57:45 <BoD> :)
Aug 19 14:58:08 <BoD> hackable: you probably have a pointer that is null, which produces an exception
Aug 19 14:58:14 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 15:01:55 <snowpong> anybody write libraries in here that they create .aar files from and upload to a maven or jcenter? any good complete repos I could look at how it's done (mostly interested in .gradle files)
Aug 19 15:02:43 <BoD> don't know about jcenter but I found maven central's procedure  to be a bit horrible
Aug 19 15:02:56 <BoD> hence I avoid it
Aug 19 15:04:08 <snowpong> BoD: OK - I noticed jcenter is the new default repo in Android Studio projects
Aug 19 15:04:12 <BoD> have you thought of hosting it yourself (or on github for instance)?
Aug 19 15:04:59 <snowpong> BoD: github at the moment I believe, it's a fork of an open source library - so just some small changes
Aug 19 15:05:46 <BoD> not sure I follow :)
Aug 19 15:05:51 <snowpong> BoD: the library does not contain their complete deployment / build .gradle files btw - otherwise I'd just look at those
Aug 19 15:06:11 <BoD> oh ok
Aug 19 15:08:42 <BoD> I have a very simple example to deploy to a local directory
Aug 19 15:09:03 <hackable> BoD
Aug 19 15:09:16 <hackable> Yes... !!!
Aug 19 15:09:29 <BoD> here https://github.com/BoD/android-switch-backport/blob/master/library/build.gradle (the uploadArchives task)
Aug 19 15:09:59 <BoD> hackable: ?
Aug 19 15:10:41 <hackable> yes BoD
Aug 19 15:10:46 <BoD> yes what?
Aug 19 15:10:49 <snowpong> BoD: thanks!
Aug 19 15:10:58 <snowpong> BoD: that gives me some pointers at least
Aug 19 15:11:06 <BoD> :) you're welcome
Aug 19 15:12:14 <snowpong> BoD: actually, I think I spoke to soon - they seem to have the needed stuff for uploading https://github.com/mixpanel/mixpanel-android/blob/master/build.gradle#L66 - I just didn't understand it immediately
Aug 19 15:12:51 <BoD> ah there you go :)
Aug 19 15:13:06 <StingRay_> I have an interesting one for anyone …. use immersive mode sticky then have a fragmentDialog come up and maintain immersive sticky but also with cancelableOnOutsideTouch set on the dialog  ;)
Aug 19 15:13:44 <BoD> what does it do?
Aug 19 15:13:53 <py0> Does anyone use intellij IDEA for an IDE? I see that ADT is specifically an eclipse plugin.. and intelli-I seems to offer android stuff but I'm not sure how useful it is
Aug 19 15:13:53 <StingRay_> not work is what it does
Aug 19 15:14:00 <BoD> ahah :)
Aug 19 15:14:17 <snowpong> BoD: so it would be gradle build && gradle uploadArchive in order to get the .aar either locally or pushed to some mave repo?
Aug 19 15:14:21 <StingRay_> you can navigate the app in the background of the shaded dialog overlay
Aug 19 15:14:26 <StingRay_> so bit of a design flaw there
Aug 19 15:14:28 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 15:14:39 <r00s> py0: the official android studio is intellij...
Aug 19 15:14:48 <py0> the official android studio hardly works
Aug 19 15:14:56 <py0> doesn't work*
Aug 19 15:14:58 <r00s> why not?
Aug 19 15:15:23 <py0> I've been having problems with it "out of the box"
Aug 19 15:15:30 <py0> that I just can't seem to fix
Aug 19 15:15:57 <BoD> snowpong: that's right.
Aug 19 15:16:15 <BoD> StingRay_: ouch
Aug 19 15:17:06 <snowpong> BoD: excellent, thanks
Aug 19 15:17:16 <platzhirsch> Has move to external SD card been disabled for Android 4.0 onwards?
Aug 19 15:17:18 <BoD> yw
Aug 19 15:18:32 <Leeds> platzhirsch: sometimes/mostly/depends-on-vendor
Aug 19 16:01:46 <snowpong> is there a RGB <-> HSV for RenderScript?
Aug 19 16:02:14 <tricknology> Hello, all
Aug 19 16:03:07 <tricknology> I am getting this message when tryign to connect my bluetooth device..
Aug 19 16:03:08 <tricknology> D/BluetoothUtils(13329): isSocketAllowedBySecurityPolicy start : device null
Aug 19 16:04:13 <tricknology> I read it was an ICS bug.. is this ficked in kitkat?
Aug 19 16:14:26 <luist> hey guys… this function downloads a file asynchronously, but when the device has no connection, it still creates an empty file (or at least delete the old one). shouldn’t it catch the exception before? how can i prevent that?? http://paste.ofcode.org/95CiBu6H3NKhVjEpDbsCxW
Aug 19 16:15:26 <kroot> luist: just have it write to a temporary file and move it to the destination once you've confirmed that it is complete
Aug 19 16:15:35 <BoD> +1
Aug 19 16:16:05 <luist> oh well
Aug 19 16:16:07 <BoD> also consider the DownloadManager apis :)
Aug 19 16:16:24 <kroot> See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomicity_(database_systems)
Aug 19 16:16:30 <luist> BoD: I’m using DownloadManager for other stuff but i need to write this config file directly to internal storage
Aug 19 16:16:38 <BoD> ok
Aug 19 16:17:21 <luist> kroot: yeah i was thinking that if i couldnt prevent the new file from being created in this case it would fix, but i can still have problems because its not an atomic operation
Aug 19 16:17:33 <luist> so ill do like you saidd
Aug 19 16:17:48 <kroot> luist: No, you'll still have problems if you only partially wrote the file.
Aug 19 16:18:04 <tricknology> createRfcommSocket is buggy
Aug 19 16:18:06 <luist> kroot: thats what i said :P
Aug 19 16:18:12 <tricknology> throwing D/BluetoothUtils(13329): isSocketAllowedBySecurityPolicy start : device null
Aug 19 16:18:16 <kroot> luist: Yeah :)
Aug 19 16:18:52 <bitkiller> my development device's battery is dying. does wiping battery stats really serve for anything?
Aug 19 16:19:05 <tricknology> lol no
Aug 19 16:19:19 <kroot> luist: Also have code that cleans up temporary files that match the pattern you pass to http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/io/File.html#createTempFile(java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String,%20java.io.File)
Aug 19 16:19:55 <tricknology> bitkiller your degrading battery is a chemical change, not anything to do with the files that track your batterys preformance
Aug 19 16:20:20 <bitkiller> tricknology, that's what i always thought
Aug 19 16:20:23 <luist> do i need something fancy to rename a file in MODE_PRIVATE?
Aug 19 16:21:06 <kroot> luist: no, it will keep its permissions
Aug 19 16:26:45 <cobeau> hey
Aug 19 16:27:31 <cobeau> I am new to android development where is the best place to start?
Aug 19 16:27:40 <p_l> d.android.com
Aug 19 16:27:49 <BoD> buy Reto Meier's book
Aug 19 16:29:17 <cobeau> thanks, are there any other online resources I should look at also?
Aug 19 16:30:25 <arruah> hey
Aug 19 16:31:01 <BoD> cobeau: there's this: https://www.udacity.com/course/ud853
Aug 19 16:31:52 <arruah> who can help to import this project to android studio? i can't add ActionBarSherlok to project https://github.com/kncgroup/bitcoin-wallet
Aug 19 16:35:34 <StingRay_> arruah: you will do better asking direct questions and giving info
Aug 19 16:35:45 <StingRay_> not many will respond to "I cant"
Aug 19 16:37:38 <StingRay_> arruah: that was not an invitation to private message me!
Aug 19 16:38:32 <StingRay_> arruah: I was not offereing to help either, just saying you have been asking the qestion for days, better to actually ask a question if you want an answer
Aug 19 16:38:48 <arruah> StingRay_, ok
Aug 19 16:39:04 <arruah> StingRay_, thank's anyway
Aug 19 16:39:20 <StingRay_> good luck in asking an actual question  ;)
Aug 19 16:39:27 <StingRay_> or outlining a problem  :)
Aug 19 16:39:53 <mattblang> so it looks like if you have a searchview focused, then go to another screen, the keyboard still pops up.
Aug 19 16:40:19 <mattblang> maybe I should hold a reference to the MenuItem and collapse it on pause?
Aug 19 16:42:44 <rgr> I thought arruah had claimed to get it to work the other day?
Aug 19 16:43:46 <arruah> rgr, I think for any question you will rebuke the bad design issue. Am I right?
Aug 19 16:44:17 <rgr> You havent asked any questions.
Aug 19 16:44:48 <rgr> You've continually said "help me import" showing now sign of what the problem might be or any understanding or demonstration of having read how AS works.
Aug 19 16:45:31 <rgr> Thats why no one is helping you. It might seem rough but the amount of people coming here with "I want to write an app how do I add two numbers together" is appalling :) Do some spade work and ask specific questions.
Aug 19 16:46:18 <rgr> (Im not sure what you mean about "bad design" but  I guess someone has been slagging off the structure of that project?)
Aug 19 16:47:02 <arruah> rgr, ok. I want to open this project in Android Studio. But in this project, there is no documentation. If I open it in the Android Studio then I have a lot of errors.
Aug 19 16:47:25 <StingRay_> arruah: thats a statement at best
Aug 19 16:47:33 <arruah> rgr, bad design of my question :)
Aug 19 16:47:39 <StingRay_> arruah: example is my question : does anyone know how to allow cancellableOnOutsideTouch on a fragmentDialog that is maintining IMMERSIVE_STICKY ? It seems to be broke, anyone tried or got it working, how ?  :)
Aug 19 16:47:53 <arruah> StingRay_, :)
Aug 19 16:48:04 <arruah> StingRay_, understood
Aug 19 16:48:31 <StingRay_> btw all that was a real question too if anyone has attempted it  :)
Aug 19 16:50:56 <luist> kroot: is this okay to rename the file that is stored in the MODE_PRIVATE? http://paste.ofcode.org/RxrWwYfFLWFHpcCNBQ3bSD
Aug 19 16:56:36 <luist> kroot: btw how can i know if the download finished succesfully?
Aug 19 16:58:31 <luist> omg how can i disable this soft keyboard for appearing in every single fragment?
Aug 19 16:58:49 <luist> theres not even edittext or any kind of use for it
Aug 19 17:00:13 <StingRay_> luist: I'm pretty sure answers are a simple google search away for that one
Aug 19 17:00:27 <StingRay_> tis a very simple and common thing to want/do
Aug 19 17:00:38 <luist> StingRay_: for which question ^^
Aug 19 17:01:13 <StingRay_> actually both
Aug 19 17:01:22 <StingRay_> but I suspect the keyboard will have more hits
Aug 19 17:01:36 <StingRay_> download progress, maybe 60% of hits
Aug 19 17:01:40 <StingRay_> guessing
Aug 19 17:03:46 <luist> StingRay_: i tried googling but the answer crashed my app: http://paste.ofcode.org/32UaRrnxqBzzxEcDGRK8Fay  :)
Aug 19 17:04:30 <StingRay_> "crashed my app" ok
Aug 19 17:06:37 <luist> StingRay_: oh nvm… i got it working
Aug 19 17:09:59 <rgr> arruah: so read the errors. Or use eclipse. But be prepared to read up on gradle etc. Building SW like this isnt a case of click and run.
Aug 19 17:10:58 <arruah> rgr, ok. errors about ActionBarSherlock. I am googling now
Aug 19 17:13:02 <rgr> arruah: how much android dev have you done?
Aug 19 17:13:19 <arruah> 1 hour :)
Aug 19 17:13:37 <rgr> because if you dont understand java, eclipse and the AS/gradle you're stuck mate.
Aug 19 17:14:04 <rgr> go do the tutorials then come back when you understand the IDE and Java/Android infrastructure.
Aug 19 17:15:59 <arruah> rgr, this project with readme.md I opened and launched Android Studio without any problems. https://github.com/schildbach/bitcoin-wallet
Aug 19 17:16:19 <arruah> rgr, knc-wallet forked from bitcoin-wallet
Aug 19 17:16:32 <StingRay_> arruah: but now your wanting to modify it ? so now comes the learning :)
Aug 19 17:16:48 <arruah> rgr, So I thought that there should be just as easy.
Aug 19 17:17:23 <arruah> StingRay_, Yet, while I just want to see how it works.
Aug 19 17:18:22 <py0|slacktop> I've been having quite a few issues with android-studio (slackware) since I've set it up. Right now, I've created a file called Gilli.java under LearnJava1/app/src/main/[Gilli.java]
Aug 19 17:18:22 <StingRay_> then learn and understand and you will get it
Aug 19 17:18:31 <py0|slacktop> I can't edit this .java file at all for some reason
Aug 19 17:19:21 <frankdrey-pc> hmmm
Aug 19 17:19:26 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: should be src/main/java/my/package/name/Gilli.java
Aug 19 17:19:32 <frankdrey-pc> so I have a maven module in my intellij project
Aug 19 17:19:36 <arruah> StingRay_, I'm trying to do it now. Sorry to bother you :)
Aug 19 17:19:38 <frankdrey-pc> and the other module is Android-Gradle
Aug 19 17:19:47 <frankdrey-pc> how do I get IntelliJ to ignore the maven module?
Aug 19 17:20:15 <frankdrey-pc> It won't build the Android-Gradle module because it doesn't want to mix Gradle and non-Gradle modules
Aug 19 17:20:15 <birbeck> frankdrey-pc: remove the module as a dependency in your build.gradle
Aug 19 17:20:25 <frankdrey-pc> it's not a dependency is the issue
Aug 19 17:20:50 <py0|slacktop> birbeck, create new class?
Aug 19 17:20:54 <py0|slacktop> or manually go for .java
Aug 19 17:21:00 <py0|slacktop> (I located said directory)
Aug 19 17:21:01 <heater89> When using a custom inputfilter for an EditText field, is it possible to return a value that will delete a character?
Aug 19 17:21:19 <heater89> Using ascii for DEL doesn't seem to do it, and was trying to avoid using a text watcher
Aug 19 17:21:24 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: create a package in your src/main/java folder and then create a new class in that package
Aug 19 17:21:25 <frankdrey-pc> ah fuck it, i'll use two projects
Aug 19 17:21:29 <frankdrey-pc> i'm starting to despise Gradle
Aug 19 17:21:50 <birbeck> frankdrey-pc: if its not a project dependency, you can either ignore it, or delete it
Aug 19 17:22:13 <frankdrey-pc> IntelliJ won't ignore it :/
Aug 19 17:22:25 <frankdrey-pc> "Unfortunately you can't have non-Gradle Java modules and Android-Gradle modules in one project."
Aug 19 17:23:00 <frankdrey-pc> and it seems to keep saying that my android module is no longer backed by gradle
Aug 19 17:23:55 <py0|slacktop> Thanks birbeck
Aug 19 17:23:59 <py0|slacktop> o/
Aug 19 17:25:47 <frankdrey-pc> re-importing for the 3rd time
Aug 19 17:26:03 <py0|slacktop> Hey since I'm here, does android target a specific 3d library vendor
Aug 19 17:26:35 <py0|slacktop> like.. "opengl is best" or "unity does this and that bla bla"
Aug 19 17:27:00 <frankdrey-pc> of course it also takes a few tries of importing the module before it actually appears
Aug 19 17:27:02 <frankdrey-pc> i fucking hate gradle
Aug 19 17:27:25 <frankdrey-pc> py0|slacktop, android uses opengl, unity is a whole engine on top of opengl, they're not really comparable
Aug 19 17:27:33 <dcow> ^
Aug 19 17:27:35 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: just opengl-es, third party 3d libraries are built atop it
Aug 19 17:28:08 <py0|slacktop> what is the difference between opengl and opengl-es
Aug 19 17:28:30 <dcow> es has a better shader language
Aug 19 17:28:39 <dcow> or, “enhanced"
Aug 19 17:28:54 <birbeck> i'm not really the best to answer graphic library questions, i'm sure google is your friend here
Aug 19 17:29:13 <frankdrey-pc> a few days ago I wrote my first pure opengles app...
Aug 19 17:29:19 <birbeck> dcow, "es" = "enhanced shader"
Aug 19 17:29:20 <birbeck> ?
Aug 19 17:29:25 <frankdrey-pc> 1. it didn't work 2. I had no idea what I was writing
Aug 19 17:29:30 <frankdrey-pc> birbeck, embedded systems
Aug 19 17:29:47 <birbeck> ok, i thought it was something closer to embedded :)
Aug 19 17:29:50 <dcow> es = embedded systems
Aug 19 17:29:58 <py0|slacktop> cool
Aug 19 17:31:38 <frankdrey-pc> *removes WIP gradle configs*, git commit -a -m "Gradle can go die in a hole."
Aug 19 17:32:01 <py0|slacktop> btw, do you guys also get that weird aapt error from android-studio when you first start it?
Aug 19 17:32:03 <py0|slacktop> http://bpaste.net/show/vu1xKyXVtP1ZDEoNaV1U/
Aug 19 17:32:53 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: never seen it
Aug 19 17:33:21 <py0|slacktop> Well.. I know that it exists because I see it there.. I don't know what to do about it really
Aug 19 17:33:58 <py0|slacktop> I have this.. but it's for 2013 and an older gradle version https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=56158
Aug 19 17:38:20 <charlie_sanders> brand new to android development, how to I get my TextView to align to the left and right hand signs of the screen ?
Aug 19 17:38:26 <charlie_sanders> my top level layout is a LinearLayout
Aug 19 17:38:54 <charlie_sanders> wait is it fill_parent ?
Aug 19 17:39:30 <d0de> I'm looking for advice about an IAP. I have one to unlock everything. When I get the response from Google Play that it's been purchased, I unlock everything in the app and write a value to sharedprefs. I check sharedprefs on every start and show the unlocked content if the key is there
Aug 19 17:40:27 <d0de> but I'm wondering what to do in case that key in sharedPrefs gets deleted. I was thinking of querying google play on every start if I don't find the key to get a list of purchased IAP, so I can then write the key again if needed. Does that sound sensible?
Aug 19 17:41:56 <py0|slacktop> Good lord, I cannot do *anything* with android-studio because it refuses to acknowledge the stuff in platform-tools
Aug 19 17:42:09 <py0|slacktop> for some reason it believes nothing exists in there.. but there's everything there
Aug 19 17:42:38 <d0de> py0|slacktop, file permissions?
Aug 19 17:42:50 <py0|slacktop> ..
Aug 19 17:42:55 <py0|slacktop> please elaborate
Aug 19 17:42:56 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: it is on your classpath? do you have ia32-libs?
Aug 19 17:43:30 <py0|slacktop> I'm not sure what ia32-libs are.. there was nothing mentioned about that in the developer page
Aug 19 17:44:00 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: are you running a 64-bit kernel?
Aug 19 17:44:04 <py0|slacktop> I have $HOME/android-studio/bin in the path
Aug 19 17:44:06 <py0|slacktop> yes
Aug 19 17:44:34 <birbeck> well you also need $ANDROID_HOME/tools and $ANDROID_HOME/platform-tools
Aug 19 17:44:47 <birbeck> if you are running 64-bit linux, you also need ia32-libs
Aug 19 17:45:02 <birbeck> the developer tools are still using a 32-bit toolchain
Aug 19 17:45:16 <birbeck> Google needs to get with the program here
Aug 19 17:45:43 <py0|slacktop> wow
Aug 19 17:45:55 <py0|slacktop> what a joke :|
Aug 19 17:46:44 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, were you the one to struggle with adding stuff to your $PATH the other day?
Aug 19 17:47:00 <py0|slacktop> birbeck, google just gives me a bunch of stuff about problems regarding these ia32-libs.. I have no idea how to obtain them
Aug 19 17:47:52 <py0|slacktop> yeah, I was having a lame day I guess.. I've since solved those problems
Aug 19 17:48:01 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
Aug 19 17:48:02 <py0|slacktop> @ ravilov
Aug 19 17:48:18 <py0|slacktop> hate debian
Aug 19 17:48:26 <ravilov> what distro are you on?
Aug 19 17:48:47 <ravilov> also there's no need to hate on debian, it's only the best and most complete distro out there ;)
Aug 19 17:49:01 <rgr> py0|slacktop: we discussed this before and you were told exactly what to do. Your problem. Try listening instead of whining.
Aug 19 17:49:25 <rgr> I use debian with it and it works flawlessly. But then I bothered to read how to add a path to $PATH.
Aug 19 17:49:40 <py0|slacktop> I don't need any fucking help adding a path
Aug 19 17:49:54 <rgr> No, you need a lesson in courtesy and attention span.
Aug 19 17:49:55 <ravilov> you do need to watch your manners though
Aug 19 17:50:11 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, is it safe to assume you're on slackware?
Aug 19 17:50:42 <py0|slacktop> I find it absolutely ridiculous that I'm getting help for one thing (or trying to) and some other asshat is just spewing garbage out of their mouth saying that I'm whining
Aug 19 17:50:59 <py0|slacktop> yes ravilov
Aug 19 17:51:36 <ravilov> as I've been told before... if you want help around these parts, you might need to grow quite a thick skin
Aug 19 17:51:41 <rgr> Sounds like whining to me. And your language does you no favours either.
Aug 19 17:52:15 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, in that case you might be SOA since you're using quite an unpopular distro
Aug 19 17:52:43 <ravilov> SOL*
Aug 19 17:53:21 <rgr> he needs the equivalent of multiarch IF hes running a 64 bit kernel. This was told by birbeck earlier. or thats what its called (and works so a child can installed it) in Debian.
Aug 19 17:54:08 <rgr> one quick google later: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
Aug 19 17:54:16 <patchie> anyone who can help make a template and setup android-python27 on Android studio? (its for creating android apps by using python code)
Aug 19 17:54:32 <rgr> Might be of help. Who knows. If you use some corner distro like slackware I thought you should probably know your stuff. Debian is 1337 enuff.... ;)
Aug 19 17:55:09 <birbeck> i used to love slack
Aug 19 17:55:13 <ravilov> patchie, highly doubt it
Aug 19 17:55:17 <py0|slacktop> troll harder rgr
Aug 19 17:55:22 <patchie> ravilov? why?
Aug 19 17:55:42 <patchie> there is a tutorial for eclipse, but i wanna use android studio
Aug 19 17:55:52 <rgr> py0|clasker - no trolling. I just gave you the multilib link. If you're too lazy to check it then GFY.
Aug 19 17:56:00 <ravilov> have yet to see someone around here using a scripting language to write their apps, patchie
Aug 19 17:56:14 <ravilov> there was one guy trying to do stuff in SL4A, but it was short lived
Aug 19 17:56:33 <patchie> ravilov: but that wasnt my question, i wonderd if someone wanted to use 5 min to help me set it up
Aug 19 17:57:15 <birbeck> patchie: it should be much easier in AS than Eclipse
Aug 19 17:57:27 <patchie> the apps made in android-python27 works on my android, but i havent rooted my phone, so i wanna use android studio to debug
Aug 19 17:57:46 <birbeck> but I do not bother with non-java android apps
Aug 19 17:57:53 <ravilov> patchie, I figured they can't help you if they're not using it themselves, but I could be wrong. either way I'm not your guy so wait for someone else to respond, and good luck
Aug 19 17:58:11 <patchie> birbeck: well, i just dont understand the file locations and stuff, and how to setup AS without using the wizard..
Aug 19 17:59:23 <patchie> well, its just the java part i am questioning about, since there is just a java program that is running the python code..
Aug 19 17:59:41 <patchie> the python code is fine, and all, but my problem is the java part, how to make it work in AS
Aug 19 18:00:01 <patchie> it runs fine in "aide" on my phone
Aug 19 18:00:27 <patchie> but in AS i have to setup modules ..and some other settings i guess
Aug 19 18:00:30 <patchie> to make it work
Aug 19 18:01:31 <rgr> so in other words you dont know java, you dont know AS and you dont know some other things you guess? Hmmm. How do you expect to "debug" python on Android using AS which is strictly java and gradle?
Aug 19 18:02:02 <rgr> (python27 sounds interesting btw)
Aug 19 18:03:52 <patchie> well, i wanna go into terminal into the android emulator to run code, but i first need to set up the app
Aug 19 18:04:51 <patchie> rgr: wanna help?
Aug 19 18:05:16 <patchie> rgr: can give you teamviewer access if you wanna
Aug 19 18:07:31 <luist> hey guys… im building a menu with 6 itens and i want it to fir the parent View height… atm i have fixed sizes, how can i set the width to 1/6 of the parent View? This creates 1 item of the menu with an icon and a title: http://paste.ofcode.org/5df22PXgGUWWDXHurYi4U
Aug 19 18:07:33 <Bombo> i'm trying to code a SDL app with ndk, it works without using SDL_Mixer.so, but using it i get this error: E/dalvikvm( 2379): dlopen("/data/app-lib/org.foo.app-1/libmain.so") failed: Cannot load library: soinfo_link_image(linker.cpp:1635): could not load library "libSDL2_mixer.so" needed by "libmain.so"; caused by load_library(linker.cpp:745): library "libSDL2_mixer.so" not found
Aug 19 18:07:44 <Bombo> root@android:/ # ls -l /data/app-lib/org.foo.app-1/libSDL2_mixer.so
Aug 19 18:07:48 <Bombo> -rwxr-xr-x system   system      95372 2014-09-19 20:58 libSDL2_mixer.so
Aug 19 18:07:50 <Bombo> its there
Aug 19 18:08:03 <Bombo> any idea why its complaining?
Aug 19 18:08:44 <Bombo> (i'm running android emulator with api 17)
Aug 19 18:09:01 <indrora> Bombo, are you using an x86 emulator image or an ARM emulator image?
Aug 19 18:09:04 <ravilov> Bombo, perms/ownership issue maybe?
Aug 19 18:09:14 <indrora> ravilov, no, that looks right.
Aug 19 18:09:16 <Bombo> indrora: arm
Aug 19 18:09:29 <indrora> Bombo, are you compiling for arm or x86?
Aug 19 18:09:30 <Bombo> ravilov: -rwxr-xr-x
Aug 19 18:09:52 <indrora> or all of them?
Aug 19 18:09:53 <Bombo> indrora: all
Aug 19 18:09:55 <ravilov> Bombo, did you forget about all the parent dirs?
Aug 19 18:10:59 <indrora> Bombo, unzip your produced apk and look at what the structure looks like. Check that there's a native lib for x86 and ARM.
Aug 19 18:11:19 <luist> anyone?????
Aug 19 18:11:27 <student01> Hey, I'm trying to figure out if there's a way for devices without a menu key to still access a menu if the actionbar is hidden
Aug 19 18:11:37 <Bombo> ravilov: all perms are ok, an in that dir lies libSDL2.so which alone works, i can draw stuff using it
Aug 19 18:12:21 <lewellyn> student01: my tablet with onscreen buttons just blurs/fades the icons if the actionbar is hidden. :P
Aug 19 18:12:37 <student01> hmm
Aug 19 18:12:45 <student01> So the options are still visible and accessible?
Aug 19 18:12:49 <ravilov> student01, pretty sure there isn't, or the swipe-down gesture wouldn't be a requirement of the new immersive mode
Aug 19 18:12:53 <lewellyn> oh. wait. misinterpreting.
Aug 19 18:12:54 <indrora> luist, this may be useful to you: http://www.hrupin.com/2012/02/how-to-set-view-width-height-in-percentage-of-parent-view-in-android
Aug 19 18:13:12 <lewellyn> sorry. multitasking and totally misread. i'm irrelevant here. :)
Aug 19 18:13:30 <ravilov> Bombo, I don't know then, could be anything
Aug 19 18:13:33 <indrora> luist, child weight = 1, total sum = 6
Aug 19 18:13:54 <Bombo> indrora: armeabi  armeabi-v7a  x86, every dir got all .so
Aug 19 18:14:11 <student01> My situation is that I'd like users of phones with menu buttons (galaxy s#, etc) to have full screen mode enabled because they can just hit "menu." But Nexus users can't hit menu, so they need to see the actionbar
Aug 19 18:14:17 <student01> Let me know if that isn't true ^^
Aug 19 18:14:50 <ravilov> student01, that would be correct
Aug 19 18:15:07 <ravilov> but pretty sure you can detect somehow if the device has a hardware menu button, and then adapt accordingly
Aug 19 18:15:07 <indrora> student01, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9044907/android-programatically-detect-if-device-has-hardware-menu-button
Aug 19 18:15:10 <py0|slacktop> ravilov, what about http://dl.google.com/android/android-sdk_r23.0.2-linux.tgz
Aug 19 18:15:23 <student01> thanks ravilov and indrora
Aug 19 18:15:33 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, what about it?
Aug 19 18:15:42 <py0|slacktop> it's a 32/64 sdk
Aug 19 18:15:53 <py0|slacktop> still need multilib?
Aug 19 18:16:02 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: that still wont work, yes you need multilib
Aug 19 18:16:08 <Bombo> ravilov: where does it look for additional .so libs? maybe there is a setting wrong somewhere?
Aug 19 18:16:17 <ravilov> py0|slacktop, certain (key) utilities are 32-bit no matter how you turn it
Aug 19 18:16:23 <ravilov> are always*
Aug 19 18:16:23 <py0|slacktop> oh
Aug 19 18:16:28 <indrora> Bombo, have you tried doing a clean?
Aug 19 18:16:35 <py0|slacktop> Why are they always 32bit
Aug 19 18:16:51 <ravilov> Bombo, as far as I know it only ever looks in /system/lib and in the app's private lib directory
Aug 19 18:16:56 <Bombo> indrora: multiple times yes
Aug 19 18:17:22 <birbeck> py0|slacktop: because that is how Google built them... they can probably ditch any 32-bit support for Linux and do everything in native 64-bit
Aug 19 18:17:33 <g00s> its going to be very interesting seeing the same phone : HTC One M8 with both Android / WP - side by side comparison on exactly the same spec HW
Aug 19 18:17:36 <birbeck> i haven't known anyone to run 32-bit Linux in years
Aug 19 18:17:42 <indrora> Bombo, strange. Does it work on real hardware? (Or alternatively, on an x86 emulator image?)
Aug 19 18:17:44 <Bombo> ravilov: can it be overridden?
Aug 19 18:17:48 <rgr> hot key to move to next hilited error in AS/Ij? (red bars in right hand margin). C-M-down/up doesnt crack it like it does with compile/build errors.
Aug 19 18:17:55 <birbeck> g00s: will it?
Aug 19 18:17:59 <ravilov> Bombo, no idea
Aug 19 18:18:18 <g00s> birbeck i think the first oem to release same HW phone with 2 platforms at same time
Aug 19 18:18:39 <Bombo> indrora: nope doesn't work on my friends android phone, but on my desktop it works, so can't be the code i guess
Aug 19 18:18:43 <ravilov> birbeck, no they can't - I'm still using an all 32-bit installation and have no intention on changing. I'm somewhat sure I'm not the only one
Aug 19 18:18:59 <rgr> bah. found it.
Aug 19 18:19:01 <Bombo> ravilov: hmmkay
Aug 19 18:19:08 <birbeck> ravilov: sometimes being the 1% sucks
Aug 19 18:19:19 <indrora> Bombo, does it work in an x86 emulator?
Aug 19 18:19:40 <birbeck> why would you ever use 32-bit linux anyways... especially on a dev machine?
Aug 19 18:19:57 <indrora> birbeck, people who're poor
Aug 19 18:19:59 <rgr> there are or were many reasons a while ago : not least flash and driver issues.
Aug 19 18:20:14 <Bombo> indrora: good question i'll try that
Aug 19 18:20:20 <birbeck> indrora: ummm, 32-bit and 64-bit Linux are the same price,,,, free
Aug 19 18:20:27 <rgr> no matter what the fanboyz said debian certainly wasnt 64 nit friendly where multiedia/flash was concerned a year or more ago. Seems fine now.
Aug 19 18:20:28 <indrora> birbeck, hardware isn't.
Aug 19 18:20:33 <rgr> s/nit/bit
Aug 19 18:20:42 <luist> indrora: okay i tried it but it’s still not working… http://paste.ofcode.org/P6kF5Lt47KXJhNqnbbU8Hb heres the parent View and the menu itens (child)
Aug 19 18:20:43 <birbeck> indrora: and the last 32-bit CPU was when?
Aug 19 18:20:53 <rgr> and the performance games are dubious at best in many cases.
Aug 19 18:20:54 <indrora> birbeck, I know quite a few students who can't drop the $500 for a new computer, so they limp along with a box they got from a friend 4 years ago that was new 7 years ago
Aug 19 18:20:59 <rgr> ganes.
Aug 19 18:21:14 <indrora> birbeck, last x86 chip produced? there still *are* today.
Aug 19 18:21:37 <indrora> the Atom series chips have been, predominantly, 32bit up until recently
Aug 19 18:21:48 <birbeck> indrora: almost any 7 yr old computer is still capable of running a 64-bit OS today
Aug 19 18:22:14 <birbeck> were atoms used in anything but netbooks and mobile devices?
Aug 19 18:22:28 <indrora> Yeah, several full-sized laptops shipped with them
Aug 19 18:22:52 <birbeck> with Windows I presume
Aug 19 18:23:20 <indrora> Some with linux, too
Aug 19 18:23:30 <birbeck> and the 32-bit android sdk works just fine on 32-bit windows xp/7
Aug 19 18:24:07 <indrora> and 32bit linux too
Aug 19 18:24:30 <birbeck> when did the first 64-bit athlon xp come out? that was the last time i ever did 32-bit anything, except on a mythtv frontend once
Aug 19 18:24:48 <luist> indrora: any ideas?
Aug 19 18:25:22 <indrora> luist, I'd fiddle around with seeing if setting the child height to match_parent would fix it
Aug 19 18:25:23 <birbeck> indrora: yes, they will work on 32-bit linux, but i would bet 99%+ of Linux devs are capable of or are already using a 64-bit kernel
Aug 19 18:25:36 <birbeck> and the sdk doesn't work oob on 64-bit linux
Aug 19 18:26:08 <indrora> birbeck, I know quite a few devs who still use x86 because they're too poor to upgrade their hardware.
Aug 19 18:26:09 <ravilov> birbeck, maybe google knows better and I'm in fact *not* the 1% :p
Aug 19 18:28:06 <indrora> luist, worst case, use tables?
Aug 19 18:28:40 <rgr> indrora: 64 bit costs next to nowt now so I question that. A rea "dev" who earns an income can afford at least a second hand 64 bit machine  : probably more a case of not being bothered. There really is no appreciative gain in a lot of cases looking back at older cores and clockspeeds. And many with Linux simply dont need faster fabby-dooper new HW as they dont play games on Linux.
Aug 19 18:29:37 <rgr> (that said my new i7 is nice... ;) But prior to that an 8 year old machine which was just fine)
Aug 19 18:30:17 * ravilov has a brand new very decent and fully capable laptop, but still chooses to run a 32-bit distro, everything just works, don't see any benefit of switching to 64-bit
Aug 19 18:30:24 <indrora> rgr, Hi, i'm a student and I'm currently doing what a lot of self-paying students who are on financial aid in the US by going to someone who *can* afford a $600 box and basically being their slave for 50 hours *on top of* schoolwork in roder to have a moderately decent machine.
Aug 19 18:30:35 <lewellyn> rgr: many virtual installs are into 32-bit guests.
Aug 19 18:31:21 <birbeck> lewellyn: and again, if you are really a dev, you dont put your primary dev environment in a vm
Aug 19 18:31:30 <lewellyn> who said anything about primary?
Aug 19 18:32:06 <dcow> i think it’s funny that people just assume 64bit is “faster"
Aug 19 18:32:07 <birbeck> i added that part, but you can emulate a 64-bit os just as easily as a 32-bit one
Aug 19 18:32:09 <indrora> rgr, I also happen to have a collection of older machines (4-5 years old) that I fix up for new college students, high schoolers, etc, who need a computer but can't afford one so that they can do at least papers and such with them. those machines are running 32bit because they're old. A recent one (ca. 2009) didn't even have PAE officially, and required some magical kernel mangling.
Aug 19 18:32:18 <birbeck> dcow: it has nothing to do with speed
Aug 19 18:32:24 <dcow> i know.
Aug 19 18:32:41 <lewellyn> birbeck: if your jenkins is on a 32-bit host, hope you don't plan on compiling any apks if the tools are only 64-bit... see how that works? :P
Aug 19 18:32:44 <birbeck> dcow: but Apple can market it as such :)
Aug 19 18:32:49 <indrora> dcow, you *do* get a slight (about 4-8%) performance increase if you're doing emulation of other HW sometimes if you write it right.
Aug 19 18:32:53 <ravilov> I think it's funny people just assume "everybody with any kind of sense is going to be on 64-bit because anything else makes no sense at all"
Aug 19 18:32:58 <dcow> emulation sure
Aug 19 18:33:07 <ravilov> too closed off into their own world
Aug 19 18:33:09 <dcow> but bigger op codes take loger to process
Aug 19 18:33:20 <birbeck> ravilov: you are just being ignorant
Aug 19 18:33:23 <indrora> dcow, Tell that to the 128bit mainframes of the day.
Aug 19 18:33:34 <ravilov> birbeck, sure, why not
Aug 19 18:33:38 <birbeck> "ravilov: too closed off into their own world" worst statement every
Aug 19 18:33:44 <ravilov> ok
Aug 19 18:34:04 <dcow> indrora: well yeah you can pack more into an op though
Aug 19 18:34:12 <dcow> there’s a tradeoff
Aug 19 18:34:37 <dcow> and at this point I’m sure it will become a moot point imminently
Aug 19 18:34:50 <birbeck> anyhow, i've got way better things to do that argue about cpu arch
Aug 19 18:34:51 <rgr> indrora: sure. they're old. And they work. Nothing to do necessarily wit not having the cash. Devs, by that I mean professional developers, generally would. I'm saying many students and part time or even full time devs dont upgrade because they dont need to. I saw next to no difference, a slow down in some cases due to larger memory usage, moveing from 32 bit debian to 64 bit on the same HW.
Aug 19 18:34:56 <indrora> dcow, not really. Instruction size has very little to do with your instruction processing time. (source: CS student who's studied this. )
Aug 19 18:35:43 <rgr> indrora: not necessarily the opcodes BUT the memory usage is frequently much bigger with 64 bit.
Aug 19 18:35:47 <lewellyn> tbh, i know a number of companies who do their continuous integration builds in 32-bit virtual machines. the overhead of a 64-bit install is significant enough to impact build times, in many common scenarios. (however, in others, the increased number of registers can make a 64-bit guest faster. that's why sysadmins earn their money: they get to do the boring parts of making sure that they're deploying appropriately.)
Aug 19 18:36:18 <indrora> lewellyn, iirc, Travis-ci runs on a mixture of x86 and x64
Aug 19 18:36:33 <lewellyn> many things do.
Aug 19 18:38:27 <Bombo> indrora: same thing, library "libSDL2_mixer.so" not found on x86 atom
Aug 19 18:39:10 <sqpat> should a INSTALL_REFERRER receiver be able to write to logs?
Aug 19 18:39:43 <sqpat> when i fire the test broadcast thru adb im able to but im not seeing my logs when downloaded from play store so im wondering if its not firing or not logging
Aug 19 18:41:21 <sqpat> logs show a PACKAGE_ADDED broadcast but not a INSTALL_REFERRER broadcast when i install
Aug 19 18:42:11 <lewellyn> indrora: btw, i assume this means you're actively devving? ;)
Aug 19 18:42:25 <lewellyn> i really need to get you some patches at some point soonish.
Aug 19 18:42:40 <dcow> indrora: I was talk about this: http://www.bcastell.com/tech-articles/how-does-word-length-affect-the-performance-and-operation-of-a-cpu/ c.f. the section on propogation delays for larger bit alu's
Aug 19 18:44:57 <whomp> i want all fields of a lot of my classes to be @Nullable. is there any easier way of doing this than marking each one individually?
Aug 19 18:45:05 <dcow> basically, you have to wait longer to perform general arithmatic on 64 bits vs 32.  the difference is becomming better, but what I mean is that it takes nominally more time to execute a 32bit program compiled for 64bits IF the program does not take adgantage of any of the 64bit features.
Aug 19 18:48:02 <dcow> indrora: but if you’ve got research that disputes the claim I’d love to read up on it (=
Aug 19 18:50:12 <indrora> dcow, so, that's math in n-bit versus m-bit systems. Basically, math above shifts and add/sub is hard. multiplication as it turns out doesn't scale nicely, and division is really nasty in anything over like, 8 bit chunks.
Aug 19 18:51:14 <indrora> dcow, there's no real "papers" on it, mostly experience of building a simple 8 bit processor.
Aug 19 18:51:31 <dcow> sure.  reading the article again, I guess the only assertion you can really make is that you could theoritically always clock a lower bit processor faster
Aug 19 18:51:54 <dcow> which isn’t not the performance bottleneck in most places.
Aug 19 18:52:19 <whomp> JakeWharton, any ideas?
Aug 19 18:52:24 <JakeWharton> on?
Aug 19 18:52:46 <whomp> making all fields in a class or classes nullable without writing an individual annotation for each one
Aug 19 18:53:02 <whomp> for server responses, i want to be super defensive
Aug 19 18:55:05 <rgr> whomp: why does that make anything super defensive out of curiosity?
Aug 19 18:55:23 <whomp> JakeWharton, ^
Aug 19 18:55:48 <whomp> rgr, super defensive about fields not coming back and stuff, since you get a warning any time you assume a field is not null
Aug 19 18:55:58 <rgr> my understanding (and Im realtively new to Java) is that its to stop the IDE warning you of null fields.
Aug 19 18:56:10 <whomp> rgr, that's @NotNull :)
Aug 19 18:56:17 <rgr> no.
Aug 19 18:56:33 <rgr> @Nullable says "it can be null"
Aug 19 18:57:08 <whomp> right, so the compiler will warn you when you assume that it's not null, i.e. de-reference without first doing a null check
Aug 19 18:57:09 <mrpyo> do you know how to implement a bar that hides on scroll up (like address bar in chrome)?
Aug 19 18:57:56 <rgr> exactly. But how does this make anything super defensive for server responses? This is then runtime.
Aug 19 18:58:12 <rgr> or do you mean to ensure youre prompted to handle the null case?
Aug 19 18:58:20 <whomp> rgr, the latter
Aug 19 18:59:24 <JakeWharton> you can tell IntelliJ to assume everything's nullable
Aug 19 19:03:24 <whomp> JakeWharton, i found @ParametersAreNonNullByDefault. is that what you mean, or is there another way in intellij?
Aug 19 19:03:36 <JakeWharton> i don't know. i just annotate things individually
Aug 19 19:03:44 <JakeWharton> but yes, that sounds like what i was thinking of
Aug 19 19:06:14 <whomp> kk thanks :)
Aug 19 19:10:56 <deam> hi
Aug 19 19:11:41 <deam> I have released my first Android app a few weeks back, now users are having some problems. I can debug just fine on my own device using logcat (all logging is done there). Is there a way to acquire logs of my application from the end user device?
Aug 19 19:12:13 <deam> I tried adding loads of error handling, but being able to view the logs would make my life much easier
Aug 19 19:13:40 <p_l> deam: ACRA?
Aug 19 19:14:05 <p_l> it seemed the simplest way to gather errors from the field some time ago...
Aug 19 19:14:47 <deam> I will look that up, thanks
Aug 19 19:17:36 <dragorn> deam: you can try to get them to click on the "report error" button when you crash, too
Aug 19 19:17:39 <dragorn> many users won't/don't
Aug 19 19:17:46 <dragorn> but if they do, you get the stack trace
Aug 19 19:18:19 <deam> ah, that would be a great help
Aug 19 19:18:47 <deam> I have actually pinpointed the function that goes wrong. But because there is a complex network protocol involved its really hard to debug (even with logcat at hand)
Aug 19 19:19:36 <sqpat> i'm getting INSTALL_REFERRER to fire.. 7 times out of what should be a couple hundred by now
Aug 19 19:19:46 <frankdrey> is there a good way to make a textview not take up any height if it's empty?
Aug 19 19:19:52 <frankdrey> i'd like to avoid playing with visibility
Aug 19 19:19:52 <sqpat> so its not failing all the time, just most of the time
Aug 19 19:20:17 <davidcorrado> deam: crashalytics
Aug 19 19:23:14 <frankdrey> actually, nvm, I can use visibility
Aug 19 19:23:20 <StingRay_> any alternative to paint BlurMaskFilter with HW Accel ?
Aug 19 19:32:02 <Zta1> Hi.
Aug 19 19:33:24 <bit_frankenstein> Hi, my app crashes when I try to drawcircle in bitmap on imageview using a touchevent. Any idea why ?
Aug 19 19:33:34 <charlie_sanders> demons
Aug 19 19:34:06 <Zta1> I have an Activity shown.  And I have a Service running in the background.  The Service want to "tell" the Activity something that it can e.g. immediately display in a Toast or toggle a View's visibility perhaps.  I'm thinking some registered handler in the Activity that works in the Activity's context or something.  Anyone know how to do this?
Aug 19 19:34:10 <bit_frankenstein> Well m atheist
Aug 19 19:37:04 <frankdrey> Zta1, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4787249/how-to-capture-the-new-intent-in-onnewintent <- you could try sending a new intent to it, but I'm not sure if that would work well for you. you could also register a broadcast receiver in the activity and send an intent to the broadcast receiver
Aug 19 19:41:05 <Zta1> I think the latter might work, but I don't know anything about broadcasts yet.  I just wanted to confirm that it's a likely doable road before takeing it =)
Aug 19 19:44:36 <Zta1> onNewIntent... interesting
Aug 19 19:46:10 <frankdrey> I dunno if it's the best idea
Aug 19 19:46:23 <frankdrey> would the service ever make the intent when the activity isn't open?
Aug 19 19:46:37 <frankdrey> because that'll call oncreate instead of onnewintent
Aug 19 19:47:23 <ravilov> broadcasting an intent from the service and registering a receiver for it within the activity seems like a better idea to me IMHO
Aug 19 19:47:48 <frankdrey> me too
Aug 19 19:49:10 <ravilov> either that or binding to the service and passing callbacks back and forth, but that seems trickier and less safe
Aug 19 19:50:57 <Zta1> yes, there is an issue with the first intent reaching onCreate
Aug 19 19:51:00 <Zta1> I wouldn't want that.
Aug 19 19:51:19 <Zta1> I'll try local broadcasting.  Thanks =)
Aug 19 19:55:16 <patchie> anyone here who knows android-studio who can help me setup an existing project in android-studio without using the wizard?
Aug 19 19:55:18 <SimonVT> Just use an event bus
Aug 19 20:27:03 <StingRay_> anyone know how to blur anything (line, shape) on a canvas ?
Aug 19 20:27:24 <StingRay_> seems I need to disable hardware acceleration in my app to do it?
Aug 19 20:27:29 <njcomsec> doesnt it depend on the language or graphics platform?
Aug 19 20:27:45 <dcow> StingRay_: depends on how you want to do it
Aug 19 20:27:58 <StingRay_> really dont care, just need a fuzzy 2d blur
Aug 19 20:27:58 <njcomsec> oh I didnt realise in in android dev. lol
Aug 19 20:28:17 <dcow> you can use the intrinsic renderscript blur
Aug 19 20:28:24 <dcow> but the max radius for that is 25 px
Aug 19 20:28:40 <dcow> otherwise you have to do multiple passes or write a sw blur
Aug 19 20:28:54 <dcow> there are so fast linear motion blurs out there
Aug 19 20:28:57 <StingRay_> is there an example of using renderscript then ?
Aug 19 20:28:59 <dcow> s/so/some
Aug 19 20:29:26 <dcow> um there are documents on using renderscript on the dev site
Aug 19 20:29:57 <StingRay_> tbh simple box blur would do, but means I have to start playing with bitmap data, just thought that android should have this already
Aug 19 20:30:09 <StingRay_> so all fancy effects are renderscript now ?
Aug 19 20:30:47 <HelplessJub> hi all, i have 1 main activity and 2 fragments. 1 fragment takes up the entire page and it switches to the other fragment if a button is pressed. There are also 2 dialog fragments, one for each fragment. Should i make it so that the activity holds all the information and directs the transition of the fragments, or should i do this within each of the fragments themselves
Aug 19 20:31:10 <dcow> StingRay_: I don’t think android ever had any of those fancy effects before renderscript
Aug 19 20:31:33 <StingRay_> dcow: BlurMaskFilter
Aug 19 20:32:06 <StingRay_> but SW only
Aug 19 20:32:06 <dcow> interesting
Aug 19 20:32:16 <dcow> oh so you want a hw blur?
Aug 19 20:32:21 <dcow> because before you said you didn’t care
Aug 19 20:32:57 <StingRay_> no i mean you cant have hardware acceleration enabled to use that sw mask filter on paint
Aug 19 20:33:07 <StingRay_> has to be disabled app wide
Aug 19 20:33:27 <dcow> ah.  I thought you could disable hw rendering on a per view basis
Aug 19 20:33:39 <dcow> but I’ve never done that so i have no real idea
Aug 19 20:33:51 <StingRay_> fk maybe you can  :)    Oh wait, yeah some flag
Aug 19 20:33:59 <StingRay_> I seem to remember that...ish
Aug 19 20:34:41 <dcow> actually I’ve had to make webviews sw render before because transparent backgrounds were not working in the 4.0-4.3 webviews
Aug 19 20:34:50 <dcow> when hw rendered
Aug 19 20:35:31 <dcow> the renderscript blur is pretty easy to use.  it’s about 5 lines of code
Aug 19 20:36:09 <dcow> you get a renderscript context.  creat an allocation.  apply the intrinsic blur to the allocation and create a new bitmap from the allocation after copying it back to your app
Aug 19 20:42:51 <HelplessJub> anyone?
Aug 19 20:43:47 <dcow> HelplessJub: I bleieve fragments should not contain knowledge of other fragments.
Aug 19 20:44:03 <dcow> the activity is your controller and fragments are “views with logic”
Aug 19 20:44:16 <dcow> kindof a poor design pattern in the first place, though.
Aug 19 20:44:54 <HelplessJub> dcow: how can i share a variable across the fragments and activity
Aug 19 20:45:07 <dcow> HelplessJub: you share an interface
Aug 19 20:45:37 <HelplessJub> dcow: ok, just making sure theres no more efficient method
Aug 19 20:45:39 <HelplessJub> thanks
Aug 19 20:45:39 <dcow> you write your fragment such that it must be attached to an activity that implements a common interface.  you callback to the activity when you need to tell it something
Aug 19 20:46:07 <HelplessJub> dcow: how about a dialogfragment for those two dialogs
Aug 19 20:46:10 <gdrc> HelplessJub, you could use Application
Aug 19 20:46:24 <dcow> and since the activity has a hard reference to your fragment, it can just call methods on your fragment directly
Aug 19 20:46:28 <HelplessJub> how should i proceed to pull the data from the dialogs, another interface?
Aug 19 20:48:11 <dcow> ideally all data should be passed by reference (uri) and obtained and modified individually by interested components in a transactional manner.
Aug 19 20:48:31 <dcow> in more simple cases you can use the intent extras explicitly
Aug 19 20:50:01 <rgr> just reference back the activity - let the view decide how to display the data but access the data from the activity store... :)
Aug 19 20:50:09 <StingRay_> why can I not find examples of renderscript blur on canvas drawn shapes
Aug 19 20:50:21 <StingRay_> do I have keywords missing ?
Aug 19 20:50:26 <dcow> StingRay_: because you have to blur the bitmap
Aug 19 20:50:41 <StingRay_> so how do I get a bitmap from a canvas
Aug 19 20:50:44 <dcow> you can’t apply renderscript to the canvas directly.  it has to be applied to an allocation
Aug 19 20:50:58 <dcow> StingRay_: That is the hard question.
Aug 19 20:52:37 <dcow> StingRay_: I think you ahve to create a bitmap shader and use it as the source for your canvas
Aug 19 20:53:07 <dcow> (you can grab a view’s drawing cache, but I don’t think that’s preferred)
Aug 19 20:53:09 <StingRay_> well apparently you can enable cache for the canvas and get it via the draw cache
Aug 19 20:53:23 <StingRay_> on a view level
Aug 19 20:53:29 <StingRay_> so not all that bad
Aug 19 20:53:35 <StingRay_> ugh but all this should be easier
Aug 19 20:53:37 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 20:53:40 <dcow> yes, you can do that.  I think it’s safer to just draw the canvas to the bitmap itself
Aug 19 20:54:18 <StingRay_> ah yeah, maybe indeed
Aug 19 20:54:19 <dcow> StingRay_: I think you can write your own shader if you want.  but I’ve never tried that
Aug 19 21:06:19 <eghdk> Hey guys. Yesterday I found out that I could use things like "top" and "ps" in adb shell. Is there a list of other commands I can run? I only know three linux programs "top" "ps" and "nano", but nano doesn't work. I just want to know what will work. Thanks
Aug 19 21:07:45 <HelplessJub> dcow: Should the activity handle the different actionbars for the different fragments as well?
Aug 19 21:08:28 <Wheelz> eghdk: I believe any commands busybox uses. www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html
Aug 19 21:09:16 <dcow> eghdk: ls /system/bin
Aug 19 21:09:26 <dcow> and no android does not have busybox by default
Aug 19 21:09:53 <jjbrunton> What is the easiest way to get all contacts that belong to a certain contact group?
Aug 19 21:10:09 <dcow> oh hmm it has something called toolbox
Aug 19 21:10:14 <dcow> may be a neutered busybox
Aug 19 21:10:47 <StingRay_> jjbrunton: query the contact provider
Aug 19 21:10:58 <StingRay_> or rather using the faster PhoneLookup
Aug 19 21:11:01 <StingRay_> I think
Aug 19 21:11:02 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 21:11:11 <jjbrunton> I gathered that but it's not as simple as that to get all the contacts
Aug 19 21:11:31 <StingRay_> huh?
Aug 19 21:11:34 <StingRay_> if you know the group
Aug 19 21:11:41 <jjbrunton> It looks as if you need to query each contact for their group membership
Aug 19 21:12:37 <dcow> eghdk: https://github.com/android/platform_system_core/tree/master/toolbox
Aug 19 21:14:24 <HelplessJub> dcow: Should the activity handle the different actionbars for the different fragments as well?
Aug 19 21:14:34 <dcow> HelplessJub: fragments can add thigns to the action bar, yes.
Aug 19 21:15:14 <dcow> you have to flag that you have options menu
Aug 19 21:21:29 <luist> hey guys… im compiling with minimum API 11 so i can’t use android.view.Display getSize(Point), only getWidth() which was deprecated in API 13, what should i do?
Aug 19 21:23:15 <StingRay_> change to 1
Aug 19 21:23:19 <StingRay_> sorry 13
Aug 19 21:23:21 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 21:24:39 <luist> but then my app wont run on 3.x tablets right
Aug 19 21:24:50 <StingRay_> correct, all 4 of them
Aug 19 21:24:55 <StingRay_> what will you do
Aug 19 21:24:56 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 21:25:01 <luist> that sucks :(
Aug 19 21:25:07 <luist> other solution?
Aug 19 21:25:09 <StingRay_> those 4 users will live
Aug 19 21:25:12 <StingRay_> trust me
Aug 19 21:25:29 <StingRay_> they only use their tablets for door stops now
Aug 19 21:26:10 <luist> my app will run on some public projects, not sure with what hardware/software, but the government here often buys crap for these projects
Aug 19 21:26:22 <luist> dont wanna reduce that much compatibility just because of this function
Aug 19 21:26:37 <StingRay_> then dont attempt to use newer functions :)
Aug 19 21:26:55 <luist> StingRay_: if i stick with getwidth it will work on every version?
Aug 19 21:27:09 <SimonVT> <0.1% of users are on honeycomb.. It's a dead platform.. Don't waste time supporting it
Aug 19 21:27:16 <SimonVT> Min sdk 15
Aug 19 21:27:29 <luist> meh okay
Aug 19 21:27:32 <mrj> Anyone using bamboo with genymotion for CI?
Aug 19 21:31:11 <I440r> trying to install android sdk tools 23, select it and ONLY it for intsall. click install, accept licence. it downloads and completes with "nothing was installed"
Aug 19 21:31:17 <I440r> no other error messages that i can see
Aug 19 21:32:13 <frankdrey> anyone knowledgeable in GLES? I'm trying to link a vertex and fragment shader. The link status ends up 0, but the logs say it linked successful
Aug 19 21:32:43 <Zta1> frankdrey, ravilov: Thanks.  LocalBroadcastManager works great.  Btw, I used http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/AndroidBroadcastReceiver/article.html#ownreceiver_localbroadcastmanager
Aug 19 21:32:48 <Zta1> gnite
Aug 19 21:34:44 <luist> why i cant subtract a R. element?? setBehindOffsetRes(width - R.dimen.slidingmenu_offset);
Aug 19 21:35:51 <I440r> can anyone tell me why android SDK tools version 23 do not install?
Aug 19 21:36:01 <charlie_sanders> so how do I handle my app's database creation ?  The tutorials just seem to create new entries on every startup.  Can I package my database and distrubute it ?  Or do I just check to see if theres data in there, if there is I don't create any ?
Aug 19 21:36:22 <charlie_sanders> I440r, what OS , IDE ?
Aug 19 21:36:28 <StingRay_> luist: cause thats a reference to a value
Aug 19 21:36:33 <StingRay_> not a value you want
Aug 19 21:36:39 <I440r> actually. i no longer have a tools directory
Aug 19 21:36:58 <luist> StingRay_: oh and how do i subtract it then
Aug 19 21:37:05 <I440r> so for some reason the orde4r of operatioins was "delete the tools i currently have, install the new tools?"
Aug 19 21:37:11 <StingRay_> luist: getResources().getDImension()
Aug 19 21:37:16 <I440r> cant install the new tools :/
Aug 19 21:37:27 <StingRay_> that would give you a value
Aug 19 21:38:43 <eghdk> dcow: Thanks man! THat's awesome. So all of those are just .c programs?
Aug 19 21:39:04 <eghdk> And... how the hell did you find that? I understand that it's open source... but this is sick!
Aug 19 21:39:25 <I440r> yea. that fixed it i think. just emerge android-sdk-update-manager to get my tools back, then run the update
Aug 19 21:39:36 <frankdrey> I'm gonna try the official tutorial. the one i was following is trying to do to much for a beginner's tutorial
Aug 19 21:39:54 <frankdrey> also, is it a bad idea to do "import static android.opengl.GLES20.*"?:P I'm lazy...
Aug 19 21:40:00 <luist> StingRay_: something like this? setBehindOffsetRes(width - (int) getResources().getDimension(R.dimen.slidingmenu_offset));
Aug 19 21:40:09 <dcow> eghdk: there are more than just what’s in the toolbox link.  such as `am` and `pm`.  to get the full list you can just look at system/bin
Aug 19 21:40:22 <StingRay_> luist: yes that will give you the value from the xml
Aug 19 21:40:23 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 19 21:41:12 <eghdk> dcow: Ok. This might be funny to you. But this is so mind opening. Holy crap!
Aug 19 21:41:38 <eghdk> dcow: Also... where do I find system/bin?
Aug 19 21:41:44 <luist> StingRay_: still giving me Resources$NotFoundException
Aug 19 21:41:45 <sarbs> on the device
Aug 19 21:42:15 <StingRay_> well make sure it's there
Aug 19 21:42:19 <dcow> eghdk: adb shell ls /system/bin
Aug 19 21:42:31 <dcow> eghdk: and it’s cool, we were all there once (;
Aug 19 21:43:36 <eghdk> dcow: Haha. I appreciate it. I'm just learning linux now. And I'm typing these things on my ubuntu machine, but then running something like ps on adb shell is awesome. I can see everything!
Aug 19 21:44:06 <eghdk> Also dcow is there anyway to see system/bin not in adb shell? Like on github basically? or the aosp repo or something?
Aug 19 21:45:03 <dcow> eghdk: good question.  I’m not actually sure in which location during the build the system/bin is populated.  If you find out, be sure to share.
Aug 19 21:46:18 <eghdk> I'll look for it now. I'm mostly just interested because I see stuff like vi and monkey in adb shell /system/bin
Aug 19 21:47:33 <eghdk> Interesting:
Aug 19 21:47:37 <eghdk> if(!strcmp(argv[0],"logcat") || !strcmp(argv[0],"lolcat") || !strcmp(argv[0],"longcat")) {         return logcat(ttype, serial, argc, argv);     }
Aug 19 21:48:11 <dcow> eghdk: it should also be noted that system/bin is not the only place binaries live
Aug 19 21:48:40 <sarbs> with a service, if i'm doing something just very quick and simple, can i do "performWork(); stopSelf(startId); return START_STICKY;" in onStartCommand and expect that the service will terminate immediately upon onStartCommand's completion?
Aug 19 21:48:54 <sarbs> or does stopSelf(int) need to be called after onStartCommand returns?
Aug 19 21:50:13 <eghdk> dcow: Whaaa? You're blowing my mind here.
Aug 19 21:50:39 <StingRay_> sarbs: sounds like you should be using intentService
Aug 19 21:51:06 <sarbs> StingRay_ there are other things this service does, i'm just trying to isolate behaviors in order to understand them better before i try to put em together
Aug 19 21:52:39 <eghdk> dcow: Just for my sake because I'm just learning c/linux. Binaries means programs?
Aug 19 21:52:50 <smitzer> "A device�s sensor readings contribute noise data due to high sensitivity of its hardware to various factors. For gaming purposes, these highly sensitive values are a boon, but for application hat need smooth readings, these hopping values are a mess."
Aug 19 21:52:50 <dcow> yes
Aug 19 21:52:59 <smitzer> what does boon mean?
Aug 19 21:53:10 <I440r> ok so im trying to launch an avd. i go into the adv manager. click start. i get a progress bar that goes to 100%, that window disappears... NO adv
Aug 19 21:53:11 <dcow> smitzer: buff
Aug 19 21:53:14 <I440r> wtf over?
Aug 19 21:53:16 <smitzer> i assume buff?
Aug 19 21:53:21 <smitzer> doesnt matter? why not?
Aug 19 21:53:46 <luist> StingRay_: oh i fixed it… thanks :)
Aug 19 21:54:04 <I440r> erm maybe its use host gpu is making it silently fail
Aug 19 21:54:15 <StingRay_> luist: yw
Aug 19 21:54:18 <I440r> no. turned that off and still no avd launches
Aug 19 21:55:16 <I440r> i cant launch my avd L/
Aug 19 21:55:16 <I440r> :/ even
Aug 19 21:55:31 <I440r> i think the emulator is starting but im getting no avd
Aug 19 21:56:25 <eghdk> dcow: Okay so yeah vi isn't in system/bin but I will figure it out! vi has to be an open source program in the AOSP right?
Aug 19 21:57:19 <sarbs> probably not eghdk
Aug 19 21:57:36 <sarbs> i don't think there are any shell text editors easily available for android
Aug 19 21:57:42 <dcow> eghdk: echo $PATH
Aug 19 21:57:43 <sarbs> you'll be better off pulling, editing, pushing
Aug 19 21:57:56 <dcow> => /sbin:/vendor/bin:/system/sbin:/system/bin:/system/xbin
Aug 19 21:58:01 <eghdk> sarbs: vi is available though?
Aug 19 21:58:19 <sarbs> sure, vi is available and open-source, but you'll likely have to figure out how to compile it for ARM and the android distro
Aug 19 21:58:34 <I440r> im getting a RANDR error. tell me randr is NOT a required item for avd launch
Aug 19 21:58:45 <eghdk> sarbs: No. thats not what I mean. Its available on android through adb shell
Aug 19 21:58:45 <I440r> im running through a freeking vnc session FUCK randr
Aug 19 21:58:59 <eghdk> dcow: What?
Aug 19 21:59:08 <sarbs> eghdk no, it's not - not on AOSP, at least
Aug 19 21:59:19 <sarbs> CM has it, apparently. didn't realize that
Aug 19 21:59:26 <eghdk> Really?
Aug 19 21:59:30 <dcow> eghdk: those are all the places where standard executables live.
Aug 19 21:59:41 <dcow> sarbs: I bet CM bundles busybox instead of toolbox
Aug 19 21:59:48 <sarbs> dcow they do
Aug 19 22:00:01 <I440r> can someone please tell me why my avd refuses to launch?
Aug 19 22:00:05 <eghdk> oh. is that the whole path thing where I added adb to my Linux path?
Aug 19 22:00:19 <eghdk> can I run echo $PATH in linux?
Aug 19 22:00:22 <sarbs> eghdk yeah, $PATH is where the system looks to find the commands you type
Aug 19 22:00:31 <eghdk> and oh snap. I am running CM!
Aug 19 22:00:42 <eghdk> So what's this whole toolbox vs busybox thing?
Aug 19 22:01:04 <sarbs> busybox is a (single) program that emulates a ton of the "standard" linux programs
Aug 19 22:01:23 <I440r> it doesnt emulaate them
Aug 19 22:01:49 <sarbs> s/emulate/acts like/, whatevs
Aug 19 22:01:54 <I440r> it has a cut down version of each of them within itself. you create symlinks to that ONE executable and argc[0] tells you which one to run
Aug 19 22:01:57 <sarbs> it's one program that has the functionality of a ton of others
Aug 19 22:02:14 <eghdk> This has turned into a great conversation. Thanks all. Have a lot to learn/research.
Aug 19 22:02:24 <dcow> yeah cm puts busybox in xbin
Aug 19 22:02:24 <I440r> can someone help me get my avd launched please
Aug 19 22:02:54 <eghdk> dcow: So can you explain echo $PATH before I have to go. Itgave me a long line of text. But I can't seem to deciper it.
Aug 19 22:02:56 <dcow> alongside toolbox in bin
Aug 19 22:03:01 <I440r> i doubt bb has vi. vi requires termcap or terminfo
Aug 19 22:03:15 <eghdk> dcow: You said /sbin:/vendor/bin:/system/sbin:/system/bin:/system/xbin
Aug 19 22:03:16 <I440r> in fact it was the author of vi that created the termcap database
Aug 19 22:03:23 <dcow> your path is where `sh` searches for executables when you type a command
Aug 19 22:03:44 <dcow> it’s a colon seperated list
Aug 19 22:03:51 <eghdk> okay. colon seperated
Aug 19 22:04:02 <sarbs> yeah, in CM vi is its own executable. /system/xbin/vi
Aug 19 22:04:07 <eghdk> that actually makes it readable. hahah
Aug 19 22:04:25 <I440r> then in cm you also have /usr/share/terminfo ?
Aug 19 22:04:42 <I440r> or maybe (like brainded debian distros) a /lib/terminfo ?
Aug 19 22:05:07 <detachYo> hello everyone
Aug 19 22:05:31 <I440r> how do i report a bug against android
Aug 19 22:05:34 <eghdk> So CM has busybox AND toolbox?
Aug 19 22:05:38 <sarbs> I440r /system/etc/terminfo looks like
Aug 19 22:06:00 <eghdk> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Aug 19 22:06:05 <I440r> sarbs well ill be... lol.. i never expected a terminfo to exist in android :)
Aug 19 22:06:10 <eghdk> I440r: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?
Aug 19 22:06:34 <eghdk> sarbs: What's terminfo?
Aug 19 22:06:39 <I440r> erm stupid hexchat is opening links
Aug 19 22:06:41 <sarbs> I440r for your avd, more details. what os, toolchain, cmd are you using?
Aug 19 22:07:14 <I440r> sarbs gentoo linux. let me get the toolchain ver
Aug 19 22:07:18 <sarbs> eghdk it's a library that i presume has a database of terminal capabilities - what terminals can do color, bold/italic, dimensions, etc. stuff vi needs to properly render itself on a screen, basically.
Aug 19 22:07:37 <I440r> first emerge -C links whih i keep havintg to do blargh
Aug 19 22:07:37 <eghdk> Oh.
Aug 19 22:08:00 <eghdk> sarbs: Can I find terminfo through adb shell?
Aug 19 22:08:11 <eghdk> And open it to change colors or something?
Aug 19 22:08:13 <sarbs> probably. it's not a command you run though.
Aug 19 22:08:26 <eghdk> It's a file though... right?
Aug 19 22:08:34 <eghdk> I'm just curious to see it now. hahah
Aug 19 22:08:47 <sarbs> it's a set of binary files
Aug 19 22:08:52 <I440r> eghdk, in linux when you do cursor control to draw things in the terminal you have to write strings that describe the cursor action. they are called escape sequences. every terminal uses its own escape sequences, termcap and terminfo are a way of describing those strings plus a crap load of other info about the terminal
Aug 19 22:09:02 <sarbs> not much you can do with them. programs use them
Aug 19 22:09:39 <eghdk> gotcha. Good to know though. I'm still learning linux/console now so it's very new but interesting. I appreciate the help.
Aug 19 22:09:40 <I440r> eghdk, to change colors means writing a color change escape sequence
Aug 19 22:09:53 <I440r> dont try learn terminfo, jut know its there
Aug 19 22:10:15 <I440r> sarbs. i have android sdk 23.0.2 installed
Aug 19 22:10:29 <I440r> the avd is 4.03
Aug 19 22:10:31 <eghdk> Exactly. It's too much to learn, I just wanted to know its there, and WHAT its there for. Again, I appreciate the expalnation. I have to be on my way but thank you.
Aug 19 22:10:36 <sarbs> do you know what command the emulator is being started with?
Aug 19 22:11:41 <eghdk> dcow: How can I edit the path? echo $PATH just prints.
Aug 19 22:11:58 <I440r> sarbs i launch the avd manager and click the "start" button
Aug 19 22:12:52 <g00s> bankai_au rxjava 0.20.0 final
Aug 19 22:13:52 <indrora> Is there seriously no way to get reasonable function call tracing without recompiling your kernel?
Aug 19 22:14:02 <dcow> eghdk: now you’re getting into framework modifications.  even with root your default sh is read only
Aug 19 22:14:14 <eghdk> sh?
Aug 19 22:14:21 <eghdk> shell?
Aug 19 22:14:33 <dcow> on desktop linus you can set your path with something like PATH = “$PATH:/my/extra/path"
Aug 19 22:15:12 <eghdk> dcow: Yeah I'm trying to remember how I added adb to my path, but can;t remember
Aug 19 22:15:16 <dcow> eghdk: sh is the default shell binary, yes
Aug 19 22:15:44 <I440r> preobably sh is a symbolic link to your shells executable (thats a guess, i never looked lol)
Aug 19 22:16:40 <frankdrey> ugh the opengles tutorials are very incomplete
Aug 19 22:17:11 <bankai_au> g00s: w00t w00t
Aug 19 22:17:37 <eghdk> dcow: Okay I found it on my osx machine. It's in .bash_profile?
Aug 19 22:17:49 <dcow> for bash, yes
Aug 19 22:17:58 <dcow> but that’s only your terminal shells
Aug 19 22:18:04 <dcow> you need to look in launchd.conf
Aug 19 22:18:11 <dcow> for osx, specificall
Aug 19 22:18:16 <dcow> because darwin is a bit weird
Aug 19 22:18:39 <eghdk> wait? whats the difference between bash then? Why is that "only your terminal shells"
Aug 19 22:19:11 <eghdk> You mean if I ssh into my computer, something like adb shell wouldn't work because I'm not running a "terminal" technically?
Aug 19 22:19:33 <dcow> no in osx all shells are login shells i believe
Aug 19 22:19:37 <dcow> that still works
Aug 19 22:19:46 <dcow> I’m talking about for system applications
Aug 19 22:20:07 <dcow> for all intents and purposes you seem concerned with, .bash_profile will suffice (if you’re using bash of course)
Aug 19 22:20:19 <dcow> you should check out zsh (;
Aug 19 22:20:28 <indrora> eghdk, I ssh into boxes that have android devices and adb to them all the time. You're free to even over SSH port-forward the android debugger port (8700 I think it was) over SSH and talk to it that way
Aug 19 22:20:33 <indrora> I've done it a few times.
Aug 19 22:21:25 <eghdk> indrora: Yeah, but dcow said that my adb is added to bash_profile which only handles it for the terminal.
Aug 19 22:21:43 <dcow> when did I say that?
Aug 19 22:22:01 <eghdk> for bash, yes [18:17] <dcow> but that’s only your terminal shells
Aug 19 22:22:11 <dcow> yes, but I said nothing about adb
Aug 19 22:22:26 <eghdk> Consider me confused. =/
Aug 19 22:22:28 <dcow> oh I guess you were talking about putting adb on your path in osx
Aug 19 22:22:35 <eghdk> Yeah!
Aug 19 22:22:51 <eghdk> In osx in in ~.bash_profile
Aug 19 22:23:04 <eghdk> at least thats where I put it, according to some tutorial online
Aug 19 22:23:09 <dcow> yes, that path is only available to shells which you get one of when you ssh
Aug 19 22:23:36 <eghdk> So why'd you recomend launcd.conf
Aug 19 22:23:37 <eghdk> ?
Aug 19 22:24:20 <dcow> you seem interested in information, so I was saying that’s how the underlying system handles setting up your environment
Aug 19 22:24:38 <dcow> i then said for all intents and purposes you seem concerned with, bash profile will suffice (=
Aug 19 22:25:35 <eghdk> Okay.
Aug 19 22:25:51 <eghdk> I thought maybe for ssh it might be different if I try to ssh as a different user and THEN adb
Aug 19 22:26:14 <eghdk> because .bash_profile is in MY home
Aug 19 22:26:17 <eghdk> home folder
Aug 19 22:26:50 <indrora> :\ I have this hunk of code that takes exponentially more time and I can't figure out why.
Aug 19 22:27:33 <dcow> eghdk: that is correct
Aug 19 22:27:46 <eghdk> Okay. So I was kinda right.
Aug 19 22:27:58 <eghdk> Those path changes are only for my user.
Aug 19 22:28:20 <eghdk> But that kinda makes sense, because different users might have a diff version of adb in a different dir?
Aug 19 22:28:21 <dcow> if you want adb on your system path, then you need launchd I think.  unless you want to modify /etc/bashrc
Aug 19 22:28:40 <dcow> eghdk yes you want to scope things to different users
Aug 19 22:28:41 <eghdk> whats /etc/bashrc?
Aug 19 22:28:51 <dcow> it’s the sytem bashrc used for interactive bash shells
Aug 19 22:28:53 <bankai_au> there's a channel for OS X support ...
Aug 19 22:29:13 <eghdk> Hahah. Sorry. Just making sure adb is in the right spot bankai_au
Aug 19 22:31:36 <ravilov> indrora, is the chunk recursive?
Aug 19 22:32:23 <indrora> ravilov, no, it's linear in design. I suspect it's caused by doing a lot of string operations. I'm generating about 2000 SpannableStrings
Aug 19 22:32:39 <frankdrey> if I have an activity with a listview and a header layout in the listview, will findViewById on the activity find views inside the header?
Aug 19 22:36:23 <HelplessJub> My ListFragment always shows the list is empty, even after i add to the array
Aug 19 22:36:35 <HelplessJub> how can i fix this
Aug 19 22:37:08 <StingRay_> by doing it properly ?
Aug 19 22:37:09 <indrora> ravilov, Found it. Making sure that certain strings were properly interned has fixed it.
Aug 19 22:39:08 <HelplessJub> Here's my XML http://pastebin.com/a0PyUbxc and my Fragment http://pastebin.com/hmsU75sm
Aug 19 22:39:26 <HelplessJub> StingRay_: whats the proper method
Aug 19 22:41:11 <StingRay_> HelplessJub: well where do you tell the adapter that the data has changed ?
Aug 19 22:41:36 <HelplessJub> the adapter handles it
Aug 19 22:41:41 <StingRay_> does it ?
Aug 19 22:41:43 <HelplessJub> on ActivityCreated
Aug 19 22:41:43 <StingRay_> how so ?
Aug 19 22:42:13 <StingRay_> notifyDataSetChanged
Aug 19 22:44:23 <g00s> oh wow, Tilda Swinton in a vampire movie; this has to be good
Aug 19 22:48:49 <HelplessJub> StingRay_: Thanks, that's what i am missing
Aug 19 22:49:29 <HelplessJub> since this is a custom adapter do you suggest i declare the adapter as a private variable of the fragment or try and access it using getListadapter
Aug 19 22:50:21 <smitzer> in a LP-filter, how do you choose alpha based on sampling rate?
Aug 19 22:59:41 <d0de> I'm trying to test out some IAP code that buys stuff from Google Play. Am I right in thinking that I have to upload every new version of the APK to google play and download it again onto my device in order to test every change to the code?
Aug 19 23:02:16 <StingRay_> d0de: no
Aug 19 23:02:37 <desmin88> HelplessJub: its up to you either wy
Aug 19 23:02:38 <StingRay_> there are docs in fake purchases on d.android.com
Aug 19 23:02:51 <HelplessJub> desmin88: thanks :)
Aug 19 23:03:10 <desmin88> but doing getlistadapter is just messy imo
Aug 19 23:03:13 <StingRay_> or, if you want to test properly, just make sure you are not on the dev account, that the app is same version live on play and signed
Aug 19 23:04:26 <d0de> StingRay_ , I'm following https://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/billing_testing.html but unless I'm not seeing it, it only covers testing IAP by uploading app to google play alpha or beta
Aug 19 23:04:51 <d0de> which means waiting a couple of hours for new APK to propagate after making every change??
Aug 19 23:05:48 <StingRay_> what it means is same version num and signed
Aug 19 23:06:13 <StingRay_> so basically you can change crap, do a signed build and install it local and it should be fine
Aug 19 23:06:20 <StingRay_> version and signed is what it needs
Aug 19 23:06:27 <StingRay_> iirc
Aug 19 23:06:51 <d0de> StingRay_, will try, thanks vm
Aug 19 23:07:18 <StingRay_> np  off to bed mpw, gl
Aug 19 23:13:35 <detachYo> When I set a geofence with a pending intent, then I want to cancel it. Do i cancel both pending intent and the geofence?
Aug 19 23:16:26 <desmin88> detachYo: wouldnt cancelling the pending intent cancel the associated geofence(s)?
Aug 19 23:17:06 <compengi> Hello everyone, has anyone tried to use the latest google api for requesting location updates through GoogleApiClient, LocationServices, FusedLocationProviderApi and LocationRequest?
Aug 19 23:17:56 <jjnye> detachYo: I've just done LocationClient.removeGeofences with the PendingIntent and it's worked fine
Aug 19 23:18:47 <detachYo> jjnye can you make an example in pastebin? If not, is this how it works: create pending intent, and then removeGeofences(pendingintet)?
Aug 19 23:19:05 <detachYo> desmin88: I don't know if it would. I thought so too, just decided to ask to make sure.
Aug 19 23:19:36 <jjnye> detachYo: yes, you're already correct. as long as the PendingIntent matches, it should work fine
Aug 19 23:20:48 <detachYo> jjnye: thanks for that info.
Aug 19 23:20:55 <detachYo> desmin88: you are correct :)
Aug 19 23:21:09 <detachYo> er... or not. I am not sure what this translates too.
Aug 19 23:22:27 <desmin88> honestly im confused here too
Aug 19 23:24:02 <desmin88> http://developer.android.com/training/location/geofencing.html#StopGeofenceMonitoring
Aug 19 23:24:04 <desmin88> just look here
Aug 19 23:25:20 <frankdrey-pc> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8275669/how-do-i-use-listview-addheaderview
Aug 19 23:25:25 <frankdrey-pc> I'm having this exact same problem
Aug 19 23:25:38 <frankdrey-pc> and passing a null container won't make a difference
Aug 19 23:25:55 <detachYo> jjnye: correct me if I am wrong. But creating a pendingintent with a unique id, then passing it to remove the geofence will take care of. also creating a geofence with lat, lng and rad and then removing that geofence will also do it?
Aug 19 23:26:02 <detachYo> Then wouldn't we have a pending intent hanging there?
Aug 19 23:26:16 <compengi> Do I have to have a custom implementation of FusedLocationProviderApi or is this object provided through LocationServices.FusedLocationApi?
Aug 19 23:29:13 <frankdrey-pc> if i don't call setAdapter, it seems to partially set up the view, but it looks very very odd
Aug 19 23:29:18 <frankdrey-pc> *the header view
Aug 19 23:32:26 <lasserix_> frankdrey just add a view on top of it
Aug 19 23:32:33 <lasserix_> that is your header since it is fixed
Aug 19 23:32:42 <frankdrey-pc> i need it to scroll with the list
Aug 19 23:32:59 <lasserix_> oh sticky header
Aug 19 23:33:40 <frankdrey-pc> hmmm, think I found a fix
Aug 19 23:33:45 <frankdrey-pc> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4393775/android-classcastexception-when-adding-a-header-view-to-expandablelistview
Aug 19 23:33:58 <frankdrey-pc> testing...
Aug 19 23:36:06 <frankdrey-pc> same thing
Aug 19 23:36:11 <frankdrey-pc> i wonder if i'm missing something somewhere
Aug 19 23:38:27 <frankdrey-pc> ahhhhh
Aug 19 23:39:04 <frankdrey-pc> I was returning the header in onCreateView, let's see if that was why
Aug 19 23:39:20 <frankdrey-pc> leftover from when the header was the main content of the page :p
Aug 19 23:40:03 <lasserix_> is a header supposed to be sticky be default?
Aug 19 23:40:49 <frankdrey-pc> seems to be the default behavior
Aug 19 23:40:50 <frankdrey-pc> working now :)
Aug 19 23:41:39 <HelplessJub> hey guys, what's the best way of saving an arraylist of an object so that you can load it the next time the app is oppened
Aug 19 23:42:53 <frankdrey-pc> HelplessJub, what kind of object is it?
Aug 19 23:43:46 <HelplessJub> frankdrey-pc: custom object with strings ints and another arraylist of another object with strings and ints and dates
Aug 19 23:44:29 <frankdrey-pc> Personally, I'd save a JSON file
Aug 19 23:44:48 <HelplessJub> frankdrey-pc: how can i do this
Aug 19 23:45:38 <whomp> any recommendations for a good database library?
Aug 19 23:47:11 <whomp> i want an easier way of getting to my data... perhaps an orm, as long as its performant
Aug 19 23:50:18 <detachYo> frankdrey-pc: thats a pretty good approach
Aug 19 23:50:54 <frankdrey-pc> http://android.wanderinghorse.net/2012/06/17/serialization-101-with-json-in-android/
Aug 19 23:51:30 <frankdrey-pc> basically you'll have to make methods to convert object <-> jsonobject
Aug 19 23:51:38 <hatoon> personal android studio is confident production use?
Aug 19 23:54:48 <JakeWharton> omg don't use JSONObject
Aug 19 23:54:53 <JakeWharton> hatoon: yes
Aug 19 23:54:59 <detachYo> JakeWharton: what's wrong with JSONObject?
Aug 19 23:55:13 <JakeWharton> um, it's the worst API ever written
Aug 19 23:55:35 <detachYo> OK, but why?
Aug 19 23:55:41 <detachYo> I have never had problems with it
Aug 19 23:55:50 <hatoon> version 0.8.6 beta JakeWharton
Aug 19 23:56:11 <JakeWharton> how about the fact that it throws checked exception for every API
Aug 19 23:56:34 <JakeWharton> that alone makes it unusable
Aug 19 23:56:47 <Norrin> JakeWharton, alternative?
Aug 19 23:56:51 <JakeWharton> Gson
Aug 19 23:56:56 <JakeWharton> and real Java objects
Aug 19 23:58:20 <frankdrey> JakeWharton, optStuff() does not use checked exceptions
Aug 19 23:58:20 <Norrin> JakeWharton, why is a checked exception bad?
Aug 19 23:58:38 <frankdrey> aka, use optString(key) instead of getString(key)
Aug 19 23:58:46 <frankdrey> *optString(key, "default")
Aug 19 23:58:53 <JakeWharton> that's stpuid
Aug 19 23:59:00 <frankdrey> ...why?
Aug 19 23:59:34 <HelplessJub> fight! fight! fight!
Aug 19 23:59:37 <frankdrey> lol
Aug 19 23:59:39 <JakeWharton> there is no fight
Aug 19 23:59:46 <JakeWharton> it's a fact
Aug 19 23:59:52 <desmin88> Gson is the greatest thing ever guys
Aug 19 23:59:54 <desmin88> get used to it
Aug 19 23:59:55 <frankdrey> mhm
Aug 20 00:00:21 <JakeWharton> why even having putString if optString exists?
Aug 20 00:00:23 <desmin88> I take raw wordpress json data and in 1 line i have all my objects made for it
Aug 20 00:00:27 <detachYo> desmin88: not sure if you're being sarcastic
Aug 20 00:00:37 <desmin88> im not being sarcastic at all
Aug 20 00:00:40 <desmin88> i fucking love gson
Aug 20 00:00:59 <HelplessJub> detachYo: sounds sarcastic to me
Aug 20 00:01:04 <desmin88> it makes everything so easy
Aug 20 00:02:26 <frankdrey> JakeWharton, would you be happier if they were renamed optString->getString and getString->forceGetString?:P
Aug 20 00:02:37 <JakeWharton> no
Aug 20 00:02:46 <JakeWharton> there shouldn't be two
Aug 20 00:02:55 <JakeWharton> there need not be a choice
Aug 20 00:03:18 <JakeWharton> that only scratches the surface of the awful interaction org.json.* imposes anyway
Aug 20 00:03:29 <frankdrey> anyway
Aug 20 00:03:42 <frankdrey> how does a header view affect listview's scrolllistener?
Aug 20 00:03:48 <frankdrey> does it count as a "visible item"?
Aug 20 00:04:42 <desmin88> HelplessJub: so are you going to use gson
Aug 20 00:04:46 <desmin88> because you should use gson
Aug 20 00:05:10 <JakeWharton> desmin88: it's ok. let them write their tens to hundreds of lines of code to manually create and parse JSON
Aug 20 00:05:34 <HelplessJub> deam: im going to use Json because i'm more familiar and hear great things
Aug 20 00:05:44 <HelplessJub> woops desmin88 **
Aug 20 00:05:57 <JakeWharton> those great things you hear are the sounds of your brain cells dying
Aug 20 00:06:08 <desmin88> JakeWharton dont take this the wrong way
Aug 20 00:06:13 <desmin88> but i kind of love you
Aug 20 00:06:16 <desmin88> (no homo)
Aug 20 00:06:25 <Psil0Cybin> aw how cute
Aug 20 00:06:30 <Psil0Cybin> relationships over IRC <3
Aug 20 00:06:32 <HelplessJub> JakeWharton: that was actually pretty funny
Aug 20 00:06:46 <HelplessJub> i didn't expect humor on this IRC
Aug 20 00:07:03 <Psil0Cybin> humor is what IRC is for.
Aug 20 00:07:03 <desmin88> HelplessJub: why would you dick around with manally create and parse your json
Aug 20 00:07:07 <desmin88> let gson do it for you
Aug 20 00:07:12 <desmin88> and use actual java model objects
Aug 20 00:08:13 <setuid> I vote for bson
Aug 20 00:08:44 <desmin88> you sick fuck
Aug 20 00:08:46 <frankdrey> I have a confession to make
Aug 20 00:08:46 <desmin88> jk
Aug 20 00:08:55 <frankdrey> my objects were already at one point json
Aug 20 00:09:01 <frankdrey> google cloud endpoints
Aug 20 00:09:10 <frankdrey> and i couldn't figure out how the fuck to get them back into json
Aug 20 00:09:23 <frankdrey> and i couldn't modify the object definition
Aug 20 00:09:31 <frankdrey> so i went with jsonobject
Aug 20 00:09:47 <setuid> http://bsonspec.org/
Aug 20 00:09:49 <setuid> mmm... bson
Aug 20 00:10:13 <HelplessJub> im looking into gson now, and it looks easier to implement
Aug 20 00:10:18 <d0de> Does anyone know how long it should take for an IAP cancelled in the google wallet merchant control panel to register as cancelled on google play?
Aug 20 00:10:30 <desmin88> Thank you Gson for taking this mess: http://gyazo.com/dd89ddd2acf1b9e34f4ef0751f15bfc6 and providing me with usable objects
Aug 20 00:10:40 <d0de> I'm trying to cancel a test purchase so I can try to buy the IAP again
Aug 20 00:12:01 <desmin88> and it did it all in 1 line
Aug 20 00:12:06 <desmin88> (save for some annotations)
Aug 20 00:13:18 <desmin88> (who puts dashes in json "post-thumbnail", seriously man)
Aug 20 00:14:13 <frankdrey> lol
Aug 20 00:14:14 <frankdrey> wait
Aug 20 00:14:26 <frankdrey> i think i found how to easily json-ize these objects
Aug 20 00:16:30 <desmin88> what objects
Aug 20 00:16:59 <frankdrey> cloud endpoints data
Aug 20 00:17:20 <desmin88> why couldnt you jsonize them before
Aug 20 00:17:28 <frankdrey> because I had no idea how :P
Aug 20 00:17:35 <frankdrey> so if it extends GenericJson...
Aug 20 00:17:47 <setuid> Why weren't they json to begin with?
Aug 20 00:18:11 <ThomQ> Hi guys. I'm kinda stuck. Maybe because it's late, but I can't seem to figure out an elegant solution for my problem.
Aug 20 00:18:48 <frankdrey> setuid, the cloud endpoints client library converts them into an object, you never get to actually see the json
Aug 20 00:20:41 <ThomQ> I have this static class (mapFragment), and I need to get a ref of the GoogleMap object in my main activity. Without having a handler or something loop over and over to check if the var googleMap != null, and without turning half my activity class to static, How would I get to know when I can get a ref to the googleMap object in my main activity?
Aug 20 00:21:28 <desmin88> you could do something like
Aug 20 00:21:57 <desmin88> in your mainactivity have a method onGoogleMapReady(googlemap map)
Aug 20 00:22:00 <desmin88> and have the fragment call that method
Aug 20 00:22:31 <ThomQ> but that will result in half my activity's method's having to become stati
Aug 20 00:22:31 <ThomQ> c
Aug 20 00:22:37 <desmin88> so basically a listener method
Aug 20 00:22:47 <desmin88> why is your fragment static
Aug 20 00:23:08 <frankdrey> does google.api.client.json.JsonObjectParser return a null object if it fails to parse it?
Aug 20 00:23:16 * setuid whispers {{{callbacks}}}
Aug 20 00:23:17 <ThomQ> good question desmin88
Aug 20 00:23:52 <ThomQ> setuid: i need the mapobject reference to set the callback listener :)
Aug 20 00:24:00 <desmin88> ThomQ: make it not static, no reason to do so
Aug 20 00:24:04 <desmin88> then make a listener method
Aug 20 00:24:25 <desmin88> or use an event bus
Aug 20 00:24:29 <desmin88> http://square.github.io/otto/
Aug 20 00:25:12 <setuid> Bus is the smart way
Aug 20 00:25:23 <setuid> message queue and bus
Aug 20 00:25:28 <desmin88> if you have 1 or more listener methods
Aug 20 00:25:30 <desmin88> use an event bus
Aug 20 00:25:32 <desmin88> teehee
Aug 20 00:25:56 <ThomQ> I looked into that last week
Aug 20 00:26:04 <ThomQ> and i got adviced against it
Aug 20 00:26:34 <desmin88> who advised you away from using an event bus
Aug 20 00:27:17 <ThomQ> cant remember Who it was, but the reason was because I could just as easily use a couple of bool checks.
Aug 20 00:27:29 <ThomQ> I'm looking into why my fragments are all static
Aug 20 00:27:40 <desmin88> boolean checks for what
Aug 20 00:27:55 <sarbs> fragments have to be static because they have to be recreatable by the system, without a reference to the enclosing activity
Aug 20 00:28:09 <sarbs> however a static class is a very different thing than a static instance
Aug 20 00:28:12 <desmin88> my fragments arent static
Aug 20 00:28:36 <sarbs> desmin88 are they inner classes of an activity?
Aug 20 00:28:54 <desmin88> no
Aug 20 00:28:57 <desmin88> what madman would do that
Aug 20 00:28:59 <desmin88> ;)
Aug 20 00:29:05 <sarbs> ThomQ using the onMapReady paradigm, none of your activity methods should need to become static
Aug 20 00:29:48 <desmin88> event bus
Aug 20 00:31:55 <frankdrey> yeah come on guys, use public transportation
Aug 20 00:32:03 <ThomQ> My fragments were static vars, because I can't access any methods in my main activity from the custom fragment activities otherwise
Aug 20 00:32:38 <frankdrey> holy shit
Aug 20 00:32:50 <frankdrey> this is 10000x faster than doing the jsonobject crap
Aug 20 00:33:00 <sarbs> what? i didn't follow that. can you gist anything?
Aug 20 00:33:19 <sarbs> frankdrey what is?
Aug 20 00:33:31 <sarbs> ThomQ https://gist.github.com/tophyr/4237c58e55674b5938df
Aug 20 00:34:02 <desmin88> ew
Aug 20 00:34:40 <frankdrey> sarbs, using a jsonfactory on the cloud endpoints objects rather than manually put'ing each field to a jsonobject :P
Aug 20 00:34:56 <sarbs> oh, i think i just got what you meant. you have multiple activities, and you're using static variables/methods to implement communication between those activities? *huge* no-no.
Aug 20 00:35:06 <ThomQ> sarbs: I can't use a mapactivity for a map fragment, but thanks
Aug 20 00:35:35 <ThomQ> sarbs: how should I do it then?
Aug 20 00:35:38 <sarbs> eh, my names were the first thing that came to my head, have nothing to do with GMS's actual MapActivity/MapFragment
Aug 20 00:36:01 <desmin88> lol sarbs
Aug 20 00:36:15 * sarbs super creative
Aug 20 00:36:23 <ThomQ> if i'm in a MapFragment class, and I want to use a method in the UI thread, I shoulnd't be accessing it by using Main.ThatMethod(); ?
Aug 20 00:36:53 <desmin88> no
Aug 20 00:37:19 <sarbs> mm.. i dont' think you fully understand what the ui thread is
Aug 20 00:37:57 <ThomQ> well probably not
Aug 20 00:38:10 <ThomQ> Why shouldn't I do it that way, and how should I do it?
Aug 20 00:38:43 <sarbs> i guess, my first question is: what are you trying to accomplish? in general, one activity shouldn't really need to run another activity's methods
Aug 20 00:38:45 <desmin88> paste us some of your code
Aug 20 00:39:59 <ThomQ> ow man, the code is way too much to paste at this point. Basicly what I do is I have the UI thread attaching the mapfragment, and attaching other fragments at other times, using the activity class as a 'hub' to connect the fragments.
Aug 20 00:40:18 <sarbs> ok, well let's clear up "UI thread" first
Aug 20 00:40:43 <sarbs> a thread is simply a set of statements that get executed serially
Aug 20 00:40:54 <sarbs> it has no concept of class, object, etc
Aug 20 00:41:50 <sarbs> you can think of threads as workers. a worker can do only one thing at a time. you can have multiple workers, and then can tell each other to do things
Aug 20 00:42:18 <sarbs> however threads don't attach to classes, or have their own variables, or anything
Aug 20 00:43:16 <sarbs> what i think you mean by "UI thread" is a central activity. yes?
Aug 20 00:43:57 <ThomQ> Yes, basicly the bank that handles the different references to most objects, and handles the interactivity between them
Aug 20 00:44:19 <ThomQ> although, thats a part of that activity, it also handles the actionbar, listeners, etc
Aug 20 00:44:25 <sarbs> ok. that's most often called a "controller" concept
Aug 20 00:44:52 <sarbs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller
Aug 20 00:45:22 <sarbs> as opposed to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computing)
Aug 20 00:47:05 <sarbs> now, with your controller, static variables aren't the worst thing in the world you could do, but there are definitely better ways of doing things. ignoring that for now, however, so we can understand what you're after.. the controller needs to give the MapFragment its GoogleMap object? where does the GoogleMap come from?
Aug 20 00:47:56 <ThomQ> from the MapFragment class I use to create / attach the fragment with
Aug 20 00:48:32 <ThomQ> so, basicly, I should use another class as Controller, not the activity
Aug 20 00:48:34 <ThomQ> ?
Aug 20 00:49:05 <sarbs> ehh.. maybe, but i'm not 100% clear on what you're doing
Aug 20 00:49:19 <ThomQ> hehehe, sjit :D
Aug 20 00:49:27 <sarbs> it's pretty common to have a parent activity with lots of child fragments. is that all you're doing? or do you have multiple *activities* involved here?
Aug 20 00:49:37 <ThomQ> no just 1 activty
Aug 20 00:50:17 <sarbs> ok. you shouldn't need static methods at all, then. all of your fragments in your activity already have links to the activity, and your activity already has methods to access all of your fragments
Aug 20 00:50:42 <ThomQ> so lets say i start the activity by attaching fragment A. Then later on I attach fragment B. both fragment's classes need to talk to each other and to the some methods in the activity
Aug 20 00:51:10 <sarbs> ok. now we're getting somewhere
Aug 20 00:51:27 <desmin88> event bus
Aug 20 00:51:40 <sarbs> lulz desmin88 ;) event bus is one option
Aug 20 00:51:40 <dragorn> yeah.  eventbus or similar implemented in the activity
Aug 20 00:51:48 <dragorn> a and b need to ask the activity to communicate between them
Aug 20 00:52:15 <frankdrey> alright. so i have a listview with a very long header. I want to trigger an event for when they scroll past the header and are on the list itself
Aug 20 00:52:18 <sarbs> the way i've done this previously is to have each fragment talk back and forth to the activity, and it tells the other fragments relevant things
Aug 20 00:52:26 <ThomQ> well yeah, from my activity to my fragments is no problem. The problem lies in the fragments talking to the activity. As it is now, everything I try to use from the main class in the fragments have to be static.
Aug 20 00:52:51 <sarbs> ThomQ hold on, i may actually have some code that you can see that may solve this for you
Aug 20 00:52:56 <frankdrey> doing any of the get*VisibilePosition() is useless because if the listview is empty, they will always return 0, even at the top
Aug 20 00:53:05 <frankdrey> getScrollY() constantly returns 0
Aug 20 00:53:19 <sarbs> what i've done in my projects is require that each Fragment define an interface that its parent must implement
Aug 20 00:53:47 <sarbs> hmm, no, i don't have any open-source code i can share. lemme whip up an example.
Aug 20 00:53:56 <ThomQ> but, the fragments themselves are not static, but still my IDE says I can't acces any non static variables or methods
Aug 20 00:54:18 <desmin88> ThomQ how experienced are you with java in general
Aug 20 00:54:55 <ThomQ> this is my first project in java
Aug 20 00:55:02 <desmin88> ok
Aug 20 00:55:34 <dragorn> ThomQ: you can get your activity from the fragment & cast it and then call methods on your instance.  No need to do statics.
Aug 20 00:55:58 <dragorn> MyActivity activity = (MyActivity) getActivity();  activity.some_pub_function();
Aug 20 00:56:19 <ThomQ> Ahh k. But how though? I've been using Main.RunThatMethod();
Aug 20 00:57:18 <sarbs> https://gist.github.com/tophyr/ed0ec9ff0fc5bb246670
Aug 20 00:57:54 <sarbs> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/Fragment.html#getActivity()
Aug 20 00:57:58 <desmin88> that looks ugly
Aug 20 00:58:09 <desmin88> just use an event bus
Aug 20 00:58:21 <sarbs> desmin88 it's a helluva lot nicer with some intermediate fragments that wrap all the functionality and enforce the interfaces
Aug 20 00:59:03 <sarbs> it's similar to iOS's delegate paradigm. the child doesn't care what actual type its parent is, as long as its parent conforms to the interface the child exposes
Aug 20 00:59:23 <desmin88> so
Aug 20 00:59:25 <desmin88> an interface
Aug 20 00:59:42 <ThomQ> Ahh k thanks sarbs, I think I kinda get the concept what you're trying to show me. By implementing FooFragment class in the activity, I can override all the methods that are in the FooFragment's class
Aug 20 00:59:57 <sarbs> ThomQ not FooFragment's class, IFooFragment *interface*
Aug 20 01:00:35 <sarbs> FooFragment doesn't care that it's attached to a MainActivity, or a FooActivity, or a MapActivity, or anything. as long as whatever its parent is, is also an IFooFragment, FooFragment is happy
Aug 20 01:00:53 <desmin88> thats how interfaces work
Aug 20 01:01:21 <sarbs> if you're only ever going to use your FooFragment with MainActivity, you can skip the interface stuff and just cast the return value of getActivity() to MainActivity or whatever
Aug 20 01:01:30 <sarbs> but using the interfaces makes your code a lot more reusable and modular
Aug 20 01:01:50 <frankdrey> I think I might do something ugly
Aug 20 01:01:53 <desmin88> or use an event bus
Aug 20 01:02:01 <ThomQ> :D desmin
Aug 20 01:02:08 <sarbs> lol
Aug 20 01:02:17 <frankdrey> header view height + status bar + action bar height
Aug 20 01:02:24 <frankdrey> check getY of header view
Aug 20 01:02:30 <ThomQ> Thanks. I'm gonna fiddle around a bit, read up a bit. I'll let yall know the results :P
Aug 20 01:02:31 <frankdrey> wait, no that won't work :P
Aug 20 01:05:20 <sarbs> https://today.java.net/article/2009/11/04/using-service-delegate-avoid-mvc-controller-bloat (not android, but concepts of delegation apply) and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14742501/when-to-use-an-event-bus
Aug 20 01:05:26 <sarbs> ^ ThomQ
Aug 20 01:05:38 <desmin88> frankdrey: You want to figure out if they scroll past the headerview to start loading in list items?
Aug 20 01:07:39 <frankdrey> desmin88, i have a persistent view at the bottom that should only be there when the actual list is visible
Aug 20 01:08:09 <desmin88> frankdrey: in what cases is the listview empty?
Aug 20 01:08:32 <frankdrey> desmin88, the default case :P it's a "chat"
Aug 20 01:08:38 <desmin88> ahh
Aug 20 01:08:41 <frankdrey> the view that appears is the message box
Aug 20 01:09:02 <desmin88> ok how about overriding getView
Aug 20 01:09:29 <frankdrey> have the box be part of the adapter?
Aug 20 01:09:49 <frankdrey> well i want it to be a persistent box on *top* of the list
Aug 20 01:10:02 <desmin88> you want to know when the user scrolls past the large header view
Aug 20 01:10:06 <desmin88> and can see the listview contents
Aug 20 01:10:06 <desmin88> yes?
Aug 20 01:10:10 <frankdrey> yup
Aug 20 01:10:23 <frankdrey> or if there are none, at least when it's at the bottom of the headerview
Aug 20 01:10:42 <frankdrey> if getScrollY worked, I could check when scrollY > headerHeight
Aug 20 01:11:07 <desmin88> what about just adding a footerview
Aug 20 01:12:13 <shmooz> wow sharp manages to come up with a unique looking smartphone  ...  http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/19/sharps-aquos-crystal-is-all-screen/
Aug 20 01:12:15 <frankdrey> header & footer views aren't on top of the list
Aug 20 01:12:30 <frankdrey> they're basically an extra view at the top and the bottom of the list, and scroll with it
Aug 20 01:13:15 <frankdrey> hmm, i guess i could settle for it always being visible :/
Aug 20 01:14:19 <ThomQ> Sarbs: Thanks, got the interface up and running, it works perfectly
Aug 20 01:14:29 <ThomQ> awesome, Learned something big today :D
Aug 20 01:14:38 <sarbs> cool, good :)
Aug 20 01:15:34 <sarbs> the event bus is another good option but it's not one i often go for; event buses (in my experience) tend to grow and become hard to manage as everything is very flat
Aug 20 01:15:55 <desmin88> i have the opposite experience
Aug 20 01:16:09 <ThomQ> Last thing though, I don't completely understand this line  ((IFooFragment)getActivity()).onMapReady(myMap); Why does it need to use getActivity?
Aug 20 01:16:13 <sarbs> interfaces liek you just did are applicable to way more than just activities/fragments.. anytime you have two conceptually separate things that need to talk to each other in specific ways, an interface can often make it easier
Aug 20 01:16:33 <sarbs> ThomQ getActivity() doesn't always return the same object
Aug 20 01:16:46 <ThomQ> yeah exactly. I've never used interfaces before, but now i'll prob use them Alot.
Aug 20 01:17:13 <sarbs> if your parent activity gets killed by the system, it will later get recreated and the fragment you have will be attached to the new one. you use getActivity() because it will give you what the current activity is
Aug 20 01:17:35 <sarbs> if you kept around a variable storing a reference to an activity, it might not be the right one anymore - then, crash
Aug 20 01:17:45 <ThomQ> Ahhh k. Yeah no exaclty, i get it
Aug 20 01:19:17 <sarbs> desmin88 you're probably more disciplined with your EB use than i am, then :) i'll use them occasionally, LocalBroadcastManager, real Broadcasts etc, but i try to avoid them if i know there'll always be a direct chain of links to where the msg needs to go
Aug 20 01:19:39 <ThomQ> That's more for communication between activities, right?
Aug 20 01:19:40 <desmin88> frankdrey: See how http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AdapterView.html#getFirstVisiblePosition() works with empty lists
Aug 20 01:19:41 <Winslow> What's with google constantly changing the Analytics sdk and all the class names... my god
Aug 20 01:20:23 <ThomQ> Winslow: I agree, I liked that last SDK better then the new one
Aug 20 01:20:41 <frankdrey> desmin88, it's always 0
Aug 20 01:21:39 <sarbs> ThomQ broadcasts can be used for any manner of communication, but yeah that'd be an appropriate way to comm between activities
Aug 20 01:21:48 <sarbs> since activities don't have parents that can orchestrate communication for them
Aug 20 01:21:58 <desmin88> application class
Aug 20 01:22:04 <desmin88> but thats gross
Aug 20 01:22:12 <sarbs> +1 desmin88
Aug 20 01:22:33 <ThomQ> sarbs: Very last thing. I did use a static reference to the activity, which I set in OnCreate. So, I should either go throught the code and use getActivy rather then a using that var, or fill that var in OnStart, in case the activity gets destroyed, correct?
Aug 20 01:22:41 <sarbs> i should have said, don't have parents <that keep references to the other children>
Aug 20 01:22:57 <sarbs> definitely use getActivity instead of keeping a reference to the activity
Aug 20 01:23:14 <sarbs> keeping a reference to an activity is almost always unnecessary
Aug 20 01:23:21 <sarbs> and in many cases an outright bad idea
Aug 20 01:23:33 <ThomQ> Cool, i'll do that right now
Aug 20 01:23:44 <ThomQ> Does C# use interfaces as well btw? Probably, I guess
Aug 20 01:24:11 <desmin88> frankdrey: Override getView()
Aug 20 01:24:13 <desmin88> when that gets called
Aug 20 01:24:14 <ThomQ> I remember getting flak early this summer for doing the same thing in C#, setting everything to static, just for the communication :D
Aug 20 01:24:16 <sarbs> yeah, c# has interfaces as well
Aug 20 01:24:25 <desmin88> youll know the listview is attempted to draw up a view for position 0
Aug 20 01:24:38 <Winslow> ThomQ: any idea what the Application class is that google analytics now refers too?
Aug 20 01:24:39 <desmin88> is attempting*
Aug 20 01:24:45 <frankdrey> :o
Aug 20 01:24:56 <desmin88> since its empty youll have no view to give it
Aug 20 01:25:00 <desmin88> but youll know it just tried
Aug 20 01:25:05 <oscarvarto> What is a typical use case for scalaz.\&/ ?
Aug 20 01:25:06 <frankdrey> desmin88, but if getCount is empty, will it try?
Aug 20 01:25:34 <desmin88> gonna find that out right now
Aug 20 01:25:35 <desmin88> hold on
Aug 20 01:25:46 <frankdrey> i'd race, but you'd probably beat me :P
Aug 20 01:25:52 <oscarvarto> sorry, wrong channel
Aug 20 01:27:31 <frankdrey> desmin88, the answer is no
Aug 20 01:27:34 <desmin88> yeah
Aug 20 01:27:42 <frankdrey> wait...
Aug 20 01:27:48 <desmin88> im looking atm
Aug 20 01:28:01 <frankdrey> oh right
Aug 20 01:28:15 <frankdrey> you know
Aug 20 01:28:40 <frankdrey> i could have an "empty" view
Aug 20 01:28:42 <frankdrey> in the adapter
Aug 20 01:28:57 <frankdrey> that way, there will always be something
Aug 20 01:29:26 <frankdrey> on that note, there's still the problem of getFirstVisiblePosition() giving 0 :P
Aug 20 01:29:38 <frankdrey> If only it gave -1 when nothing was visible
Aug 20 01:31:40 <desmin88> or
Aug 20 01:31:46 <desmin88> set an empty view on the listview
Aug 20 01:31:50 <desmin88> and check if its visible?
Aug 20 01:31:51 <desmin88> idk
Aug 20 01:31:52 <desmin88> blegh
Aug 20 01:31:56 <ThomQ> is there a GetActivity equivalent for non fragment classes?
Aug 20 01:32:15 <ThomQ> I seem to have found the reason i was using a static var for it in the first place :D
Aug 20 01:33:27 <ThomQ> or should I just send the context to the constructor of said classes?
Aug 20 01:33:40 <desmin88> no
Aug 20 01:33:58 <desmin88> when you say non fragment classes
Aug 20 01:34:01 <desmin88> do you mean activities
Aug 20 01:34:02 <desmin88> or what
Aug 20 01:34:15 <ThomQ> no not in activities either
Aug 20 01:34:28 <ThomQ> In customArrayAdapters for example
Aug 20 01:34:33 <desmin88> oh
Aug 20 01:34:34 <desmin88> then
Aug 20 01:34:36 <desmin88> yes
Aug 20 01:34:40 <ThomQ> or totally custom classes
Aug 20 01:34:44 <ThomQ> ow, lol
Aug 20 01:34:44 <ThomQ> :D
Aug 20 01:34:56 <desmin88> totally custom classes is different
Aug 20 01:35:22 <ThomQ> Yeah, I should prob make those child classes to the activity to begin with, right?
Aug 20 01:35:31 <desmin88> depends
Aug 20 01:35:35 <desmin88> what do these classes do
Aug 20 01:37:32 <ThomQ> ok, the classes where I'd need a ref to the activity are: an AsyncTask, arrayadapters, and a tut child class, but I'll prob can just use this there
Aug 20 01:37:42 <ThomQ> yeah this works in the child class
Aug 20 01:37:46 <desmin88> sounds good
Aug 20 01:39:30 <ThomQ> I always feel so bad when I made a Total mess of a project :D Not that it's like Undecypharable bad, riddles with bugs. It preforms quite well actually, hell, it's even already available. It's more my own OCD and sense of perfectionism
Aug 20 01:39:50 <desmin88> whats the app?
Aug 20 01:40:31 <ThomQ> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qstudios.whatsopennow
Aug 20 01:40:50 <ThomQ> we launched it a week or so, very low key, just to get a couple of users in to test it
Aug 20 01:41:10 <ThomQ> so the 10-50 installs is intentional, don't laugh :D
Aug 20 01:41:15 <desmin88> thats actually neat
Aug 20 01:41:42 <ThomQ> thanks!
Aug 20 01:41:54 <frankdrey> yeah, that actually looks really good
Aug 20 01:42:32 <frankdrey> installing :P
Aug 20 01:42:45 <ThomQ> thanks man. I've worked hard on it.
Aug 20 01:43:02 <ThomQ> *opening CrashLytics* heheh
Aug 20 01:43:40 <frankdrey> xD
Aug 20 01:44:20 <frankdrey> what does switching the color do?
Aug 20 01:44:32 <ThomQ> gives you a different set of categories
Aug 20 01:44:38 <ThomQ> day / nighttime
Aug 20 01:44:40 <frankdrey> aha
Aug 20 01:44:54 <ThomQ> the custom child class i was talking about earlier is a tutorial :D
Aug 20 01:46:01 <frankdrey> desmin88, i can't even get the view at the bottom to stay on persistently xD
Aug 20 01:46:32 <ThomQ> hold the radar icon to drag it around, and then you can search from that new position. That's somehting a lot of people didn't notice as well
Aug 20 01:46:32 <frankdrey> higher up in RelativeLayout = lower z-order right?
Aug 20 01:47:14 <frankdrey> ooh
Aug 20 01:47:27 <frankdrey> i suggest maybe some sort of gesture for that or something
Aug 20 01:47:52 <frankdrey> because it's a little difficult to drag it somewhere all the way from your house...but that said...if you're going far way, it'll be a different time :P
Aug 20 01:48:03 <frankdrey> so it's probably outside the scope of the app
Aug 20 01:49:12 <ThomQ> yeah shitty googlemaps api. Push and hold appears to be the only way to acclompish that. And true, there is travel time :D Once we got a nice amount of users and an accurate read on how many requests we are using a day, we'd like to implement a text search feature as well, either for a business or adress or city, etc
Aug 20 01:50:11 <yosyp> I’m trying to get the key hash using getPackageManager() inside an onCreate() using a try/catch block. It’s always catching with a $NameNotFound$ exception. Anyone have similar issues? (this is for interfacing with the facebook API by the way).
Aug 20 01:51:33 <frankdrey> I wonder if the Places Autocomplete API requires a map
Aug 20 01:51:41 <frankdrey> I use the autocomplete but have no map
Aug 20 01:51:51 <ThomQ> yeah it doesn't have to go together
Aug 20 01:52:02 <frankdrey> i mean, i don't have a map anywhere :p
Aug 20 01:53:02 <frankdrey> anyway, i give up on programming for today :P
Aug 20 01:53:06 <frankdrey> brb on my phone
Aug 20 01:54:51 <ThomQ> frankdrey: most if not all bar-finder like apps work without a map, they just show the searched for places in text lists, not to mention that they only cater to 1 type of place. But yeah Google Places is seperate from GoogleMaps. When you do use a map to show a Place Search result, you do have to do it on a google map though, according to the Terms.
Aug 20 01:55:04 <frankdrey> Aha ok
Aug 20 01:56:11 <ThomQ> I'm done for today too. it's already 04:00 am here
Aug 20 01:56:18 <ThomQ> Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated!
Aug 20 01:56:30 <frankdrey> Oh dang :p
Aug 20 01:56:34 <frankdrey> Only 7 pm here
Aug 20 01:56:55 <ThomQ> I enjoy the night hours to code, no-one bothering me :D
Aug 20 01:57:22 <ThomQ> Cya guys, I'll be back with some more n00b questions in the future
Aug 20 02:03:08 <vvikus> Okay. I'm really really stuck and I've come to IRC as a last cause. Is there ANY way for an Android Wear device to be able to interact with the network (http?). Or any way I can setup a listener device on an android phone in order to execute the http calls from the android wear and dump it back?
Aug 20 02:05:35 <frankdrey> http://developer.android.com/training/wearables/data-layer/messages.html
Aug 20 02:05:46 <frankdrey> You could probably do it through that
Aug 20 02:07:06 <Leeds> I'm pretty sure that Android Wear devices at the moment only have a bluetooth connection to a phone... so unless the phone is going to route HTTP over that connection, it ain't gonna happen directly
Aug 20 02:07:30 <vvikus> Yes, I've gone through that. But my problem is that I need to somehow make is a background listener on the phone so you don't have to open the app each time you want your android wear to make an http call
Aug 20 02:07:52 <p_l> services take care of that
Aug 20 02:07:58 <vvikus> Yeah, I'm trying to work my way around that unfortunatley :(. sucks how google glass can access gps and network, but not android wear
Aug 20 02:08:38 <p_l> because, well, Glass *has* GPS and wifi. all present Wear devices... don't
Aug 20 02:08:57 <vvikus> Using WearableListenerService? Would that somehow work between all of this?
Aug 20 02:09:11 <vvikus> (on the mobile of course)
Aug 20 02:10:08 <p_l> none of the wear bits that I recall required Activity...
Aug 20 02:19:22 <jabza> So I just got around to upgrading Android Studio to 0.8.6, and it tried to do a gradle sync, but it failed with this message: Error:org.gradle.tooling.model.GradleProject.getBuildDirectory()Ljava/io/File;
Aug 20 02:19:25 <jabza> Any ideas?
Aug 20 02:24:18 <whomp> i want to evaulate a user-inputted equation, like "((3 + 4) * 7)" that uses basic arithmetic operators. what would be the easiest way of doing this?
Aug 20 02:25:28 <JakeWharton> parse it into an expression tree
Aug 20 02:25:34 <JakeWharton> i used to use this as an interview question
Aug 20 02:25:57 <JakeWharton> i'm sure there's some library that will do it for you
Aug 20 02:26:10 <JakeWharton> but it's not that hard to do yourself and i'd encourage you to try it sometime
Aug 20 02:26:21 <frankdrey> Interview question?D:
Aug 20 02:26:28 <frankdrey> Fuck, I'd fail that interview
Aug 20 02:26:32 <desmin88> actually a neat way to do it all in java
Aug 20 02:26:48 <desmin88> instantiate a javascript engine
Aug 20 02:26:49 <desmin88> and eval
Aug 20 02:27:03 <JakeWharton> i don't know if i'd call that neat
Aug 20 02:27:22 <desmin88> :(
Aug 20 02:27:26 <JakeWharton> if you pull shit like that on an interview you're in for some pain when i ask follow-up questions
Aug 20 02:27:38 <desmin88> lol
Aug 20 02:27:39 <JakeWharton> but it's worth mentioning at the very least
Aug 20 02:28:38 <JakeWharton> frankdrey: the question starts without parenthesis and without order of operations
Aug 20 02:29:26 <JakeWharton> given "1 + 2 - 3 + 4 - 5 + 6" produce the value of 5
Aug 20 02:29:46 <frankdrey> Aha
Aug 20 02:29:59 <JakeWharton> don't support negatives, force there to always be spaces separating numbers and operators
Aug 20 02:30:03 <JakeWharton> start simple, then add complexity
Aug 20 02:30:08 <frankdrey> Well, I mean, I now see clearly how once you mentioned a tree..
Aug 20 02:30:22 <frankdrey> But if I saw that, I'd just think "oh crap" :P
Aug 20 02:30:29 <JakeWharton> you can also use two stacks
Aug 20 02:30:37 <JakeWharton> one for numbers, one for operators
Aug 20 02:32:17 <frankdrey> Hmm
Aug 20 02:35:28 <frankdrey> I'll try doing this in a few minutes
Aug 20 02:49:43 <frankdroid> You could create Value objects that could actually be an expression
Aug 20 02:49:57 <frankdroid> Or an actual value if they've been resolved
Aug 20 02:50:35 <I_Artist> I wrote a blog post that contains a script for connecting ADB over Wi-Fi for multiple devices. Am I allowed to post the link here?
Aug 20 02:50:44 <frankdroid> And the expressions could contain more Values
Aug 20 02:51:25 <Leeds> I_Artist: absolutely
Aug 20 02:52:01 <I_Artist> Thanks Leeds, didn't want to break any rules
Aug 20 02:52:08 <I_Artist> http://androiddevcorner.blogspot.ca/2014/08/automating-adb-over-wi-fi-for-multiple.html
Aug 20 02:52:46 <I_Artist> And I really have to fix my default nick! :-D
Aug 20 02:54:14 <frankdroid> Ha, I think I know how this can be done
Aug 20 02:54:16 <jabza> I_Artist: I wonder how many devices you could connect to during an I/O event with that script
Aug 20 02:55:36 <Leeds> they'd all have to do the key approval now, wouldn't they?
Aug 20 02:55:50 <I_Artist> Great question jabza :)
Aug 20 02:56:23 <I_Artist> Leeds, yeah, but it's still funny to think about it ;)
Aug 20 02:56:28 <jabza> Leeds: yeah, they'd have to approve your PC's fingerprint, assuming they're on up-to-date builds
Aug 20 02:56:38 <jabza> Which I would hope they would be at a developer conference
Aug 20 02:57:01 <Leeds> indeed... but flashing up the approval dialog on hundreds of devices would still be pretty amusing :)
Aug 20 02:57:29 <I_Artist> Wait, I/O is a developer conference?? I thought it was just for bloggers and leaches!
Aug 20 02:57:41 <jabza> Haha it would hopefully give those people a reminder to keep their security in mind at conferences!
Aug 20 02:58:08 <frankdroid> Wouldn't they all have to be plugged into your computer?
Aug 20 02:58:16 <jabza> Yeah most people think that. Even more people tend to think it's an enthusiast conference. Those people who pay all that money to get a ticket are going to be pretty disappointed
Aug 20 02:58:31 <jabza> frankdroid: nah, you can use ADB over WiFi. I do it all the time on my home network
Aug 20 02:58:55 <I_Artist> FrankDroid, yes. You have to be plugged in with USB first
Aug 20 02:59:00 <frankdroid> I mean to set it up
Aug 20 02:59:39 <jabza> Do you? It comes built into CM, and I'm pretty sure you can verify the fingerprint over wifi
Aug 20 02:59:58 <frankdroid> CM, but not AOSP
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