**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:59 2014 Sep 07 03:00:49 speaking of fragments in XML, that might be the better approach for my situation. I'll try that Sep 07 03:02:23 timuses: but if I dont do the transaction it seems my onCreateView is never called because my background task is not run Sep 07 03:02:44 I'm loving this vertical viewpager. Swipe up down between a post and its comments Sep 07 03:03:06 anyone getting the motorola 360? Sep 07 03:03:59 I'm not following Sep 07 03:04:15 Why is your onCreateView dependent on an AsyncTask Sep 07 03:04:32 he doesnt know Sep 07 03:04:54 "onCreateView is never called because my background task is not run " Sep 07 03:04:56 He seems to know Sep 07 03:05:05 (the 'because' have it away) Sep 07 03:05:11 gave* Sep 07 03:05:15 thats not what i meant. Sep 07 03:05:48 JavaDog, what are you working on? Sep 07 03:07:55 timusus, I get a white screen at startup for a short while. I don't want that I want my UI to be seen immediately. is it because the background image takes a long time to decode perhaps? Sep 07 03:08:17 probably Sep 07 03:11:45 Here's what I don't get about 9 patch Sep 07 03:11:52 I want a background say 250dp in height Sep 07 03:12:05 The first and last 40dp of that height should be slightly darker than the rest Sep 07 03:12:18 (So say, the first 20% or whatever) Sep 07 03:12:26 So how many pixels should the 9 patch be/ Sep 07 03:12:31 desmin88, did you answer me? Sep 07 03:12:40 yes' Sep 07 03:12:41 if so, I guess there's nothing to do Sep 07 03:12:56 http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/load-bitmap.html Sep 07 03:13:05 timusus: It's a secret :p Sep 07 03:13:12 lol Sep 07 03:13:24 but it's pretty neat. I'll show you guys when it's done Sep 07 03:13:51 Oh, I thought you meant 9 patch is a secret Sep 07 03:14:11 it is Sep 07 03:14:35 yeah, don't you ever tell anyone else about 9 patches Sep 07 03:14:40 seriously Sep 07 03:15:23 if you do i will eat your 2nd born child Sep 07 03:23:33 hello friends, please what is the different between boolean and Boolean, which one to use best for conditional statement Sep 07 03:23:54 this isnt java 101 Sep 07 03:24:07 and not what should be discussed in this channel Sep 07 03:24:14 timusus, desmin88 : even if i dont use a background image but just a color I still get that white screen for about half a second... Sep 07 03:24:54 understand... but what i'm doing is related and i strongly believe most of us in the room know and understand what i talking about Sep 07 03:25:10 please use google Sep 07 03:25:16 and maybe learn java Sep 07 03:25:26 then I get 1. white screen 2. load screen 3. normal ui screen. so then step (2) is almost only making it worse Sep 07 03:25:29 smitzer: that means you still have something being done too long on the ui thread Sep 07 03:25:44 this is just what we work around with everyday... is just that i'm getting confused here... coause one of my function is returning unexpected condition Sep 07 03:25:52 sorry Sep 07 03:26:58 hackable: Maybe try the #java channel Sep 07 03:28:42 desmin88, well I do nothing but this now: http://pastebin.com/3GVbbTbM Sep 07 03:28:51 it is like 0.2 seconds of white screen Sep 07 03:29:02 what are you running the app on Sep 07 03:29:31 samsung galaxy s4 mini Sep 07 03:29:39 4.x.x something Sep 07 03:29:49 so not an old slow one Sep 07 03:29:51 what is your loading fragment Sep 07 03:30:39 http://pastebin.com/Jmkq6Xs5 Sep 07 03:30:54 just inflates the view and starts the background task Sep 07 03:31:00 ok lets see the task Sep 07 03:31:37 but the task is run on bg so how could it affect the white screen before it happens? Sep 07 03:31:52 just let me see it Sep 07 03:32:16 http://pastebin.com/CQgjW5Y9 Sep 07 03:33:12 ok and what is new MainmenuFragment() Sep 07 03:34:49 are you stealing my app? ;) Sep 07 03:34:56 yep. Sep 07 03:35:33 it just shows 3 buttons: PLAY, HIGHSCORES, ABOUT Sep 07 03:35:51 cant help you Sep 07 03:37:40 <_flip> Do you need permissions to get SharedPreferences to work or something? I can't get the data to persist Sep 07 03:38:44 how are you doing it Sep 07 03:39:30 i was looking at opengl es 2.0 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/opengl/GLES20.html (glMapBuffer -- not found). so i did a quick symbol check on libGLESv2.so and found "glMapBufferOES" why this is not available in java for v2 api but opengl es 3.0 java api has the api? (afaiu glMapBufferOES is same as glMapBuffer for ES -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2210008/what-the-oes-means-in-gl-renderbuffer-oes) Sep 07 03:40:03 <_flip> desmin88: you talking to me? Sep 07 03:40:08 yes Sep 07 03:40:50 one more link http://www.opengl.org/wiki/OpenGL_Extension Sep 07 03:41:35 <_flip> pretty much just followed the tut on developer.android.com. context.getSharedPreferences(context.getString(R.string.preference_file_loginhandler), Context.MODE_PRIVATE); - and then just get/put string Sep 07 03:42:03 paste Sep 07 03:42:21 <_flip> ok Sep 07 03:44:47 <_flip> desmin88: http://pastebin.com/CwUtDmAh Sep 07 03:45:47 youre making a new editor every time Sep 07 03:45:54 get an instance to one editor Sep 07 03:46:03 do all changes to it, then commit on that editor Sep 07 03:46:19 btw, you should not be encrypting anything Sep 07 03:46:43 <_flip> why not? Sep 07 03:47:08 why are you saving the password Sep 07 03:47:32 to check if what the user puts in is correct? Sep 07 03:47:53 <_flip> nah it's for later. The API requires email + password to log in Sep 07 03:48:14 ehhhh Sep 07 03:48:19 <_flip> not desireable but i'll have to keep the password saved for now anyway Sep 07 03:49:01 <_flip> (it's for the REST API i'll be using) Sep 07 03:49:16 <_flip> ok i'll try using the same editor object Sep 07 03:50:44 If you had a bunch of quiz questions in json, would it be better to have them in a database than to parse them for each game? Sep 07 03:51:05 maybe on first time app is run just parse the whole thing in a background task and put it in the db Sep 07 03:51:13 ^^ Sep 07 03:51:29 theres ways of having a preset database in your assets Sep 07 03:51:31 and using that Sep 07 03:51:40 yes but seems complicated Sep 07 03:51:41 you'll probably want to save information about the quiz so you can enhance the quiz game so might as well stuff it into the db Sep 07 03:51:53 nah don't preset it just d/l from a server and insert Sep 07 03:52:06 lasserix, why not preset? Sep 07 03:52:10 if you ship your app with the db it'll always have the initial db that can't be deleted Sep 07 03:52:12 I dont want to download from a server Sep 07 03:52:18 wrong Sep 07 03:52:29 lasserix, why cant it be deleted? Sep 07 03:52:31 you can but the original db you stick in your app is used to create a new db you can access in your app Sep 07 03:52:42 you can't delete your assests Sep 07 03:53:08 the apk is read only Sep 07 03:53:20 ok but how big is a sqlite db with 2000 multichocie questions? is it a problem? Sep 07 03:53:28 probably not ;p Sep 07 03:53:37 if you don't have a server what choice do you have? Sep 07 03:53:51 and having it in json would be the same problem Sep 07 03:53:59 not necessariy Sep 07 03:54:05 just depends if you want to populate a db Sep 07 03:54:08 well it is an asset file Sep 07 03:54:25 i would prefer not to have a server Sep 07 03:54:29 yeah but you can just read from it, if you only use a db for user data then you won't have redundant data Sep 07 03:54:50 i can't imagine the overhead of reading a json per quiz is going to be noticable Sep 07 03:55:41 well parsing 500kb of json takes a while maybe Sep 07 03:55:49 parse the json, put in db Sep 07 03:55:56 no server Sep 07 03:56:06 then I can use google multiplayer api Sep 07 03:56:11 500 * 2 = 1mb can't imagine that would be a problem Sep 07 03:56:16 without having a backend server right? Sep 07 03:56:20 ye Sep 07 03:56:37 but you could just split your json file into sections Sep 07 03:56:40 lasserix, ty. scandinavian? Sep 07 03:56:45 then don't bother setting up a db Sep 07 03:56:54 or only use one for user data / stats Sep 07 03:57:14 hehehe Sep 07 03:57:16 kind of Sep 07 03:57:40 <_flip> @desmin88 - thanks for you advise, that did the trick. Sep 07 03:57:44 np Sep 07 04:10:44 anyone here use the bluetooth smart application accelerator? i'm trying to figure out what value this provides over the standard 4.3 android BLE apis Sep 07 04:12:45 I'm trying to add a view on top of an existing OpenGL full-screen app. I've found absolutely zero references to "LinearLayout" or similar, and no XML files with specific layout info. What do I google for to do this? Sep 07 04:13:45 trying to follow this example: https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/ads/AdView.html Sep 07 04:19:04 stuck on this even though it seems reaallly simple Sep 07 04:26:04 anyone know of a way to programmatically suppress/desuppress usb dev access? Sep 07 04:26:14 my app has device admin permission Sep 07 04:28:51 ekx just dump your openglsurface view into a framelayout or relative layout with your other view Sep 07 04:34:35 looks like glMapBufferOES isnt available on Android sheh :( Sep 07 04:43:19 (i mean in api and not likely a ext that is supported by every phone) Sep 07 04:46:14 kuldeepdhaka if you look up "fun" in the dictionary, surely one of the definitions will be "(adj) Playing with opengl or BLE on android" Sep 07 04:47:27 g00s, :) Sep 07 04:58:56 I've edited the layout of a Settings screen and added code to onCreateView. After building, I copied Settings.apk to the device. My changes aren't appearing though! What is the correct way to edit/test these system apps? Sep 07 05:09:45 guys please some help, im trying to dynamically add content to my fragment but it doesnt work. here is the code http://pastebin.com/491XwC5J Sep 07 06:06:26 lADIES Sep 07 06:48:26 . Sep 07 07:33:28 Mh is it possible to change a *.so file? i would like to change a string i know is in there to a blank one Sep 07 07:35:50 ktwo, not easily Sep 07 07:35:57 recompiling is way easier Sep 07 07:47:36 Mavrik is it possible to recompile only a part of it? or is it "a whole?" Sep 07 07:47:49 https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/av/+/47c1a5f7c13d82aa8834fd4543bd1d713b97808e/media/libstagefright/id3/ID3.cpp what i want to change is here Sep 07 07:48:22 Yes, of course you have to recompile the whole compilation unit. Sep 07 07:48:47 Or patch the file, but since I guess you don't have the knowledge of how ELF files work... I doubt that's the way to go. Sep 07 07:49:14 mh and can a so be exchanged with a different one if the architecture is the same? Sep 07 07:49:26 or is it really dependent on the exact cpu which is used Sep 07 07:50:48 the actual issue i have is that "rkutf8" is appended to any UTF8-id3 tag - and in the source file i think there is an error Sep 07 07:51:01 https://github.com/HermanChen/Rockchip_4.1_release_libstagefright/blob/master/4.1_jb_release/libstagefright/id3/ID3.cpp (thats the one used i think) for rockchip Sep 07 07:51:23 in a subsequent release it was fixed Sep 07 07:52:36 if it has the same ABI then it can be replaced Sep 07 07:52:39 and a compatible arch Sep 07 07:54:36 I'm having the same problem as described here - http://stackoverflow.com/q/15692328 - my question is why such a behaviour in android ? Sep 07 07:58:16 its not a google api without unexpected and inane behaviors Sep 07 07:58:24 with no attention given to them Sep 07 07:58:58 <_flip> i thought google was usually pretty good Sep 07 07:59:07 umm Sep 07 07:59:12 <_flip> compared to MS anyway Sep 07 07:59:27 my question is why the state_checked drawable wouldn't show up when the item is checked in a gridview Sep 07 08:04:54 there is no answer Sep 07 08:08:23 desmin88: um why? :D Sep 07 08:08:29 because goog Sep 07 08:09:44 alright, so i think the answer is things are not clarified as far as states are concerned. strange, been years now. Sep 07 08:57:42 d'fuck Sep 07 08:57:59 why does Android Studio save keystore password in plaintext into the build.gradle file?! Sep 07 08:59:56 are there any ui libraries that bring android material design to older versions of android? Sep 07 09:00:22 they official Google ones are still in testing stage. Sep 07 09:00:33 (e.g. you can only use them when targeting L) Sep 07 09:01:28 so after the testing stage, do they become available for older versions? Sep 07 09:01:46 yes. Sep 07 09:01:52 not everything, but yes. Sep 07 09:02:31 that's good to know. thanks mavrik! Sep 07 09:06:49 peey but if you really want something it's easy to do Sep 07 09:07:01 Do you know an article about best-practices for introduction overlays? (To explain some features) Sep 07 09:07:02 material design is a metaphor … not a great one either Sep 07 09:07:19 but I dont know of anything that you can do right now in current versions Sep 07 09:11:23 I get it that it can be done, i'm just surprised to not find a comppnents library already, thats all. In the web world, we already have 2 open source projects for material design! Sep 07 09:12:56 i think cause it's more of an idea than function Sep 07 09:13:10 function is the pallet swapping and touchfeedback Sep 07 09:14:39 hmm. i'm not really sure on how ui components are handled with java, so cant comment on that Sep 07 09:14:41 quite a few users dont like the touchfeedback and the perceptual delay required Sep 07 09:15:25 so I think it will be a contrast in like/hate for most :) Sep 07 09:40:00 Here's a random question, an android phone with mobile data off. How susceptible to malicious attacks would the device be? Sep 07 09:41:58 well, you could hit it with a hammer, pour water on it, attack through wifi. Nothing more than common sense really. With Wifi on anythingy possible. Sep 07 09:42:45 wifi was off and this was at defcon 22, so I'd expect a certain level of professionalism Sep 07 09:43:08 perhaps its just paranoia, only used mobile data a few times Sep 07 09:44:31 or how about this question, would you still trust that android phone and plug it into a laptop? Sep 07 09:47:43 I think you're in the wrong group. Frankly Im not paranoid : its all down to common sense usually. Not usign mobile data is idiotic. You may as well throw your phone away and use a payphone. What do you have to hide? Anyway, wrong group. Sep 07 09:53:44 What do I have to hide? Sep 07 09:53:54 Defcon 22, look it up rgr Sep 07 09:54:03 Most hostile network in the world Sep 07 09:54:12 hilarious Sep 07 10:02:38 using it without a sim and without wifi might be safe-ish Sep 07 10:06:00 There is a better way to support deprecated API ? http://pastebin.com/f90f77jb Sep 07 10:06:16 display.getWidth() is deprecated from api 13 Sep 07 10:06:31 or just using it is "safe-ish" no need to propagate false fear. Obviously if youre storing your swiss bank account and pictures of you and your wife's sister on it you need to be a tad more careful. No mobile data is 100% secure. Be careful what you install and where from. Dont connect to free wifi plans unless you know them. Dont install APKs from anywhere without checking (google need a slap here for letting so much crud into the Sep 07 10:06:31 playstore anyway) Sep 07 10:08:13 ech0s7: google is your friend. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1016896/how-to-get-screen-dimensions : most aspects covered. Sep 07 10:20:23 hi guys, do you know of any website that lets you analyse existing android apps reviews based on gender? Sep 07 10:24:09 on gender? Sep 07 10:24:38 and shouldnt that be "guys and gals"? ..... Sep 07 10:25:00 yep like 70% of all reviews come from female people with an average of ... Sep 07 10:25:06 you can do lots of stuff there Sep 07 10:25:31 basically i would like to do a market analysis. and would like to have it gender based ;) Sep 07 10:25:55 (based on age would be awesome but i see no way to get that data) Sep 07 10:26:05 Wrong channel. I dont care which sex the reviewer is personally if thay make salient points. But if you want to do "market analsyis" then I would think you capable of finding this info via google and not asking in a programmers channel ;) Good luck. Sep 07 10:27:37 i tried google and could not find anything. so i thought: "well here are a lot of ppl working daily with android apps probably in comapnies where they use such a tool. so they might know..." Sep 07 10:28:45 be careful! in this new bright world led by PC blighted morons doing anything "gender based" might get construed as sexist ;)) Sep 07 10:28:53 m_e, Does google analytics hook into Android Apps? Sep 07 10:30:07 DLSteve: i think it does. but only on your own apps. you wont be able to get any data from random public apps. Sep 07 10:30:29 correct Sep 07 10:31:07 m_e, Oh, yah I doubt you would be able to get any of that as It would violate a lot of privacy policies. Sep 07 10:31:20 Or they would want a lot of $$$ Sep 07 10:31:28 to buy the Data set. Sep 07 10:31:33 You cant. Sep 07 10:32:20 rgr: that might be possible. yet it is important. there are so many crappy games like candy crush saga where you have to pay for everything and even ask your facebook friends to help you out to progress in the game. i would love to know which kind of people actually doing this. ^^ Sep 07 10:32:21 Do you even set your Sex in your gmail/app account? Dunno. Forgot ;) Sep 07 10:32:51 Crappy games? That earns millions a day. You may not like it but calling it "crappy" is a tad blind. Sep 07 10:33:11 But I will bet you a pound to a penny its at least 60% women playing it. Sep 07 10:34:03 DLSteve: well i could simply crawl all app reviews and sort them by gender if i analyse the names and match them to a "names-database". so this should be definately possible. it is of course not accurate, but you could aggregate some estimations. Sep 07 10:34:48 You would get very skewed results. Not ones that I would trust. Sep 07 10:36:07 rgr: i bet it is even more. and yes i call them crappy because they should cost like nothing to make penetrate you with in-app-purchases and facebook sharing stuff. yet they make millions. unbelievable! Sep 07 10:36:46 rgr: but anyways thats another topic. Sep 07 10:36:55 Not unbelievable. I dont buy in app stuff but people whining they need to pay for things grates a little. People pay for what they percieve as value : and this game brings a lot of fun to many people. Its all sour grapes. Sep 07 10:37:15 As for FB sharing : no you dont need to. Sep 07 10:37:30 (users can block it and you can set the share to be seen only by you) Sep 07 10:38:23 rgr: yes but they share willingly. because then they receive some kind of booster. so basically you pay or ask your friends for "help" Sep 07 10:39:01 so what? Its what powers and pays for a basically free OS and open source development tools. It works. I agree ads etc can be annoying but hey, so is life. Sep 07 10:39:34 Its all paper money as they say. Being paid for someone clicking on a button despite them not buying anything? Nice if you can get the clicks. Sep 07 10:40:53 rgr: i am perfectly fine with this model and not complaining. i just want to know which is my target group if i am going to develop such a game. Sep 07 10:40:54 God knows there are plenty of totally free half arsed copy cat games too. Play them! ;) Sep 07 10:41:12 rgr: lets say i am going to develop a shooter (which is more a male thing) will this still work? Sep 07 10:41:38 I think you should develop a game which gives you joy and hope someone else likes it. Targetting lonely women with a big credit rating with a game about cats wont bring you much happiness ;) Sep 07 10:41:51 rgr: haha Sep 07 10:42:39 m_e, Big drind is in simple games that you can quickly learn to play. They also tend to be games that you can play for short periods of time. Sep 07 10:42:47 *trend Sep 07 10:43:31 DLSteve: yes. but there is so much more. :) i.e. they typically ask you for a review when the game is still easy and you completed a few levels -> you enjoy it the most. Sep 07 10:43:51 DLSteve: they "force" you to share it with your friends on FB so the game spreads Sep 07 10:45:29 m_e not sure any game "forces" you…what if you dont use/have fb Sep 07 10:45:47 StingRay_: then you have to wait or pay... Sep 07 10:46:05 StingRay_: until your lives refresh Sep 07 10:46:13 oh so it gives you the option and adds incentive Sep 07 10:46:38 thats nothing like forced :) Sep 07 10:47:13 StingRay_: well if you are constantly asked to do some stuff with facebook to get the next level (or wait an hour) its nearly "forcing" ;) Sep 07 10:47:23 nope… :) Sep 07 10:47:36 thats annoying …still not forced Sep 07 10:48:58 another question maybe anyone kows that. lets say my game has a lot of bad reviews. could i change the game and rerelease it with a different name? (i assume google does not check if it is the same game) Sep 07 10:49:46 and would that negative rating from the preview app somehow influence my account and give my other apps a worse raking? ( i assume noone knows that but google) Sep 07 10:49:58 *ranking Sep 07 10:50:03 m_e: then pay for it. Its clever. Sep 07 10:50:52 the amount of 1 star ratings from morons who object to paying needs to be filtered since it adversely affects the rating for the GAME as opposed to the relative tightness or idiocy of the reviewer. Sep 07 10:51:53 rgr I think reviews for older versions, say version + time difference should go after set amounts Sep 07 10:52:16 cause a mistake that I made got me lots of 1 stars, that were never updated when I fixed Sep 07 10:52:17 StingRay_: in the apple app store it is like this. (nearly) Sep 07 10:52:38 but that mistake was when I was in early beta and asked no1 to review it Sep 07 10:52:39 :) Sep 07 10:52:39 i think they show only the rating of the current version by default and you can change that if you like) Sep 07 10:53:06 m_e thats sounds good Sep 07 10:54:18 good point re removing old ones. Sep 07 10:54:20 I wouldn't mind something like up to 4 month old reviews Sep 07 10:54:28 StingRay_: thats basically my problem. i am forced to develop the perfect app right at the beginning to avoid the bad reviews. because no one ever is coming back to change his 1 star review. Sep 07 10:55:22 you're god if you can do that. because for sure Kali from Pakistan or something will rate your app 1 Star because the 57th level of your free game required him to recharge his battery. its ludicrous. Sep 07 10:55:43 so i thought: "well lets make a prototype to test the market and see what ppl like and what they dont (based on the reviews). and then release a real version under a differnt name" Sep 07 10:56:05 rgr: :D Sep 07 10:56:10 rgr the worst is when despite 3 ways to contact me, users use 1 star reviews to ask questions (knowing they will get a response) Sep 07 10:56:31 StingRay_: oh.. true Sep 07 10:56:40 And you think people dont do this? There is no perfect game. No perfect audience. Do something you feel yuo want to do that has a target audience. With a "free and open" community I can assure the fuckwits will have their day no matter what you do. Sep 07 10:57:37 Unfortunately not everyone is born equal. PlayStore reviews prove this. Giving a soapbox to every moron with an opinion is akin to stepping back in time and handing out clubs to every neanderthal..... Sep 07 10:58:16 i want to build an autotexter, what is the best way? Sep 07 10:58:22 And as StingRay points out people use these reviews out of spite. "Hahaha I fucked up his game sales today because I dont think I should have to pay". The usual nonsense. Sep 07 10:58:38 jess44: whats an autotexter? Sep 07 10:58:56 a way of sending multiple texts Sep 07 10:59:11 o.O Sep 07 10:59:12 still no clearer. Why? To Whom? When? Sep 07 10:59:25 just for a laugh Sep 07 10:59:34 to any number Sep 07 10:59:38 still makes zero sense. Sep 07 10:59:43 ok Sep 07 10:59:51 use the app "yo" Sep 07 10:59:57 ok Sep 07 11:00:02 Well, you learn java, then you do the android tutorials. then you come here and ask specific questions. Sep 07 11:00:19 (bot time!) Sep 07 11:01:44 dont need to. ill strip the program down Sep 07 11:01:56 I personally thing the normal value weight of a star review is flawed for 2 reasons.. people who hate you and or your app are more likely to review than people who love it…there are figures out that prove this.. and a value star system doesn't really rank it as it should.. Sep 07 11:03:01 majority of my reviews are 5 star yet I'm clinging to a 4 star app due to …erm… dumb individuals Sep 07 11:03:02 Same as TripAdvisor. How many people bother to say "great". Most complain about things pretty much out of spite. Sep 07 11:03:29 rgr yeah… so the weight for a star needs to also reflect the majority vote somehow Sep 07 11:04:33 although I'm the worst at math so could not even suggest this to google lol Sep 07 11:06:19 StingRay_: i used that behavior to my advantage in my first app. it let you rate canteen dishes (from your university). then all we had to do was print a card that said "Did it taste good?" with our app name on the canteen tables. everyone was constantly complaing about the bad food. so they picked it up and wrote a bad review in our app... Sep 07 11:08:23 People should not be allowed to submit reviews etc unless they accompany it with at least 300 words on the strengths and weaknesses. "It suxxoorz" is not a review. Sep 07 11:08:54 rgr: true Sep 07 11:09:16 rgr, could go the opposite of twitter and have a 140 char minimum. Sep 07 11:09:55 yeah I dont want "it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux" as a review though Sep 07 11:10:10 the facebook messenger also got a lot of bad reviews just because ppl where pissed because facebook removed the messaging function from the main app. and now they needed to install another app to do the same they had done a few days ago with a single app. Sep 07 11:10:30 StingRay_, Still get crap reviews currently, that would at least filter the lazy. Sep 07 11:10:31 something like that. Lets turn off all PC here : people are not all equal and they dont all have valid opinions. Put a stop to the pollution of the review space by ensuring people actually have relevant things to say. Certainly the owner of the app should have the ability to have bullshit reviews removed or flagged as spam more easily and more effectively. Sep 07 11:10:34 the facebook messenger may be good. yet it still got a lot of 1 stars for a complete different reason Sep 07 11:10:40 StingRay_: thats easily caught. Sep 07 11:10:55 m_e: because idiots dont understand the permissions. Simple. Sep 07 11:11:19 rgr with effort by good, but I have had swearing not caught for weeks Sep 07 11:11:34 good/google Sep 07 11:12:58 sure , nothing is perfect. But something. I spent a while reading reviews for some good apps recently. The scathing ones were invariably written by complete and utter idiots. No other way to describe them. "My battery goes flat" or "only ten levels are free hence one star and not five" or "doesnt work on on 2.0.1 brick" etc etc. Its nothing short of scandalous. Putting a chimp in charge of the fire button on a battleship. Sep 07 11:14:29 where is the java code in an apk? Sep 07 11:15:58 lol. Yeah. Good luck with your "multiple text messenger"....... Sep 07 11:16:10 in what apk ? could be obfuscated …un-readable Sep 07 11:16:34 he's trying to reverse engineer an app to steal the code to make a spam messenger. Sep 07 11:16:48 oh fk…. good luck with that Sep 07 11:16:50 :) Sep 07 11:17:28 multiple messages to any number "just for a laugh". Sep 07 11:17:28 jess44 would be faster to learn java to the point where you can do that… and it's not hard to do Sep 07 11:19:38 its such a great idea. he is basically developing "the advertisers dream". this will be worth millions Sep 07 11:20:16 contact everyone you want with whatever message you have. Sep 07 11:21:46 People in the main despise push adverts. Sep 07 11:23:41 rgr: another thing "candy crush saga" is doing and their target group doesnt seem to mind. ;) Sep 07 11:25:22 I liked "Cow Clicker" Sep 07 11:25:26 thats not unsolicited. Totally different things. Sep 07 11:28:34 StingRay_: where am I messing up here? its driving me crackers. I have a control panel than in portrait I want at the bottom of the scfeen wrapping its content. The only other element is a framelayout above it to take the rest of the screen. I tried a traditional linearlayout with no joy now Im trying a relativelayout. Notice the alignParentBottom in the control fragment. I only see the Sep 07 11:28:35 framelayout. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cba7e6418311144be12c Sep 07 11:28:45 s/than/that Sep 07 11:34:38 hey all Sep 07 11:37:07 rgr I never and would never (there maybe a reason I forget to do with view parenting) use a fragment without a holder viewGroup Sep 07 11:37:33 cause I think the parses just gets that I'd then replaces with the fragment resut onCreateView Sep 07 11:38:01 but thats just a thought Sep 07 11:39:16 rgr I'm still in need of a coffee and a shower …. so that may not have made sense… made sense in my head though Sep 07 11:39:18 :) Sep 07 11:40:15 I tried putting them in their own linearlayouts. Still no joy. The docs suck, Layouts seem to be bloody finicky. Sep 07 11:40:19 rgr but at the end of the day I never have and never will use xml placements of fragments, I will always use fragmentManager to place them in viewGroups Sep 07 11:40:52 rgr do it with no fragments just colored views Sep 07 11:40:57 to get the layout you want Sep 07 11:41:14 the result at the moment is missing the fragment right ? Sep 07 11:41:21 yeah, standard debugging. But hoped it might be something obvious I cant see. Sep 07 11:41:56 cause currently unless the FrameLayout is transparent it sits over the fragment Sep 07 11:42:01 but since a fragment is simply a placeholder for a view it inflates itself in the xml layout definition there should be no magic here. Sep 07 11:43:10 waht I mean to say is that @+id/controlfragment is obscured by the frameLayout directly after it (that contains the 2 other fragments) Sep 07 11:43:19 and3e xactly why I define the controlfragment first. Ah, You get my meaning I think. So forgetting the fragments can one have a "bottom" sized element and anothr above it taking the rest of the space? I assumed relativelayout would cope with that. Sep 07 11:44:06 remember the fragment above IS sized (wrap_content). Sep 07 11:44:17 Ill try hardcoding the height. Sep 07 11:44:29 rgr relativeLayout does not stack though right ? Sep 07 11:44:36 so is layered Sep 07 11:45:06 to position them relative you need rules Sep 07 11:45:20 I have, oh, had the rules. shit. brb Sep 07 11:45:30 lol Sep 07 11:45:46 so the 2nd frameLayout would need topBottom of the 1st fragment Sep 07 11:46:02 but with this why not just use linearLayout with weight ? Sep 07 11:47:22 because weight is exactly what I dont want. The control frag has a defined height (wrap_content). Sep 07 11:47:34 anyway, I need to replace my relative attrs. Sep 07 11:53:44 Wowa. no two pass parsing in layouts! cant reference an id in the same xml if its declared after. Sep 07 11:53:54 nope Sep 07 11:53:57 :) Sep 07 11:54:32 this really sucks arse. Sep 07 11:54:35 as a layout language it's pretty crappy basic Sep 07 11:54:36 :) Sep 07 11:55:06 I resorted to ditching relative layouts and writing a layout Manager that does what I want with frameLayout Sep 07 11:55:10 tis quicker too Sep 07 11:55:49 and I can just attach layoutListeners to do it when anything changes, along with my own rules etc Sep 07 11:56:11 bit of an overkill but thought it interesting to learn anyway Sep 07 12:04:25 this really sucks. I can position the control frag at the top ok. just not "below" the frag before it since the frag before it doesnt have a predefined height. Now I understand why so many whine about Android layout. But I still think the error is in my court. There has to be a way to position a fixed height element after a "fill rest of parent" one. Sep 07 12:06:36 I'm 1 more coffee into the day now, still missing a shower … question is any view you have meant to be on top of another ? Sep 07 12:08:29 rgr I think it's hard to communicate sometimes what the idea is… well with layouts, but yeah, sure there is a way to get what you want though Sep 07 12:11:11 rgr: dunno if you've tried or not, but can you set your FrameLayout above="@+id/controlfragment" Sep 07 12:11:24 yes. Like the xml shows. (top bottom in 2d space : not in 3d) I want the control frag at the bottom of the screen (its fixed height) and the framelayout at the top. The z order of things inside the framelayout is inconsequential. I want the framelayout above it to take the rest of the screen. Sep 07 12:11:54 canvs2321: just playing with that now. there was a bug there too (I left a gravity in there). Sep 07 12:12:32 i know if i have a listview and i want a view below it, alot of times setting myView = below listView,listView would take all height, but setting listView above a view works Sep 07 12:12:51 works. Sep 07 12:13:00 f*ck. How blind I was :) Sep 07 12:13:40 canvs2321: yes. the simplest thing. Just specifiy the framelayout AFTER the canvas but tell it to position above the controlfragment. Of course the sizing can then work. cheers. Obvious! Sep 07 12:13:48 s/canvas/control Sep 07 12:13:50 in a hood erryday Sep 07 12:13:51 :) Sep 07 12:14:01 StingRay_ does it hurt? Sep 07 12:14:25 rgr I'm pretty sure since you need no layout overlay,overlap that linearLayout would be many times better Sep 07 12:16:26 probably. Ill revert. Sep 07 12:16:34 as in this http://pastebin.com/C0SjsPLq Sep 07 12:16:57 whats with the weight=1 there? Sep 07 12:17:05 take the rest of the screen Sep 07 12:17:11 aha. makes sense. I missed that. Sep 07 12:17:13 brb Sep 07 12:17:22 faster too, relative is very heavy Sep 07 12:19:13 doesnt matter. Its only all calculated once or when you change orientation or scale. Sep 07 12:19:21 but cleaner yes Sep 07 12:19:50 I mean the viewGroup relative has 10x the size and checks of linearLayout Sep 07 12:19:53 and yes, worked fine. Bah! What a waste of a morning ;) Still. best way of learning. Sep 07 12:20:39 StingRay_: sure but who cares normally. Its only done once or on orientation change . Bu this works now back with what I started! Linear. The weight trick I didnt know about. Sep 07 12:20:54 mistakes and anger pretty much cement the solution for eternity in ones mind :) Sep 07 12:22:22 heh Sep 07 12:29:53 finally all working. Always take a break..... was blinded. thanks StingRay_ and canvs2321 ! Sep 07 12:29:59 Hi, can somebody please tell me where to look, to fix this problem ? http://pastebin.com/Z23W4xD1 Sep 07 12:31:36 paste your code. Sep 07 12:32:16 The error is clear. The reasoning not so. You are accessing an array out of bounds. Reason could be one of many reasons if its not a system bug. Sep 07 12:32:34 it's the phone app Sep 07 12:33:11 If it were programed in C this would not be a problem :-P Sep 07 12:33:33 sure. But is he accessing it programmatically? Asking in a dev channel one would expect so. Sep 07 12:33:54 DLSteve: correct. We wouldnt see the error and someone in outer mongolia would have got called ;)) Sep 07 12:34:00 Thanks, guess i am a little bit wrong here, since i build a rom, and not a app ? Sep 07 12:34:08 rgr, haha Sep 07 12:34:51 SlowMoe: show the code you have written to access the phone. Maybe someone can help. If this is an error after just blindly "making a rom" then no, this is not the channel. Sep 07 12:36:45 sorry ... guess android-root is also a nogo ? Will search for a other irc. Thanks Sep 07 12:41:45 StingRay_, "relative is heavier and slower than linear" - do you mean for initial layout or in general? Sep 07 12:41:59 ravilov look at source code Sep 07 12:42:15 everything about it is monster :) Sep 07 12:42:23 I see Sep 07 12:42:41 only really needed if you do overlaps that need "relative" control Sep 07 12:42:51 I'm asking because I have a custom ViewGroup based on (extending) relative, so now I'm wondering will I benefit any if I switch to linear Sep 07 12:42:57 otherwise better off with linear/frame Sep 07 12:43:11 ravilov what was the reason for relative ? Sep 07 12:43:32 StingRay_, no reason, tried that one first and it worked so never tried anything else :) Sep 07 12:44:02 oh yeah, unless you have a complex conditional thing thats has relative linking, not sure it's best Sep 07 12:44:38 the only reason to even have a custom viewgroup is I wanted a view that "envelops" my usual layout so I can intercept touch events Sep 07 12:44:48 but the custom viewgroup really only has one child Sep 07 12:45:01 so I guess there should be no difference if I switch to linear Sep 07 12:45:25 well yes there will, it doesn't have to init the biggest most complex viewGroup that exists in android :) Sep 07 12:45:44