**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 13 02:59:58 2014 Sep 13 03:00:07 yeah the Moto X Pure edition looks decent Sep 13 03:00:11 Or that you can download along with the SDK...they are Apache License so you can use code from there as well Sep 13 03:00:28 yeah the samples in legacy/ApiDemos or whatever it is now Sep 13 03:01:33 And if anyone is interested in open source, I ported these live wallpapers to Android ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.unwrappedapps.android.wallpaper.creative ) and would be happy to work with someone on porting xscreensaver Sep 13 03:02:17 capella-s3 did you help put that site up ? Sep 13 03:03:24 No that's Josh (jdm)... we use that a lot on the # introduction channel for new contributors Sep 13 03:04:04 Ologn, how difficult was the port? I assume you used NDK? Sep 13 03:04:18 Carbonflux, yes Sep 13 03:04:32 http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/#!/progornoprog/proglang is the main entry for all things mozilla Sep 13 03:05:34 Carbonflux, the port was not all that hard as there were some simple live wallpapers like Sundancer. Some of the more complex live wallpapers were a little hard. Actually there probably still is some kind of mutual exclusion and threading problems. Sep 13 03:06:50 The screensaver code was not written for Android style services. Especially when settings change wallpapers and state in the middle of a render...I reduced global state and mutex'd as many critical sections as I could...and did other stuff... Sep 13 03:07:36 Like getopt is not thread safe so I replaced it with optlist, things like that... Sep 13 03:08:23 Ologn, did you run into any issues with opengl es, I noticed its missing some stuff, unless they were all fixed function pileline? Sep 13 03:08:36 Carbonflux capella-s3 also, contributing to FF not just open source, is important to keep the web more neutral and based around standards Sep 13 03:09:14 Carbonflux, not all that much. Jamie Zawinski of Netscape and DNA Lounge fame wrote a good OpenGL/OpenGL ES shim, which worked well for me Sep 13 03:09:16 Ologn, thats really interesting information, thank you, I have been thinking about some ports. Sep 13 03:10:36 Ologn, nice, I did not know about that, I had to do some stuff by hand in shaders I was used to opengl doing for me, but not much Sep 13 03:10:40 Of course his shim doesn't do everything. I added parts to his shim, like a glLoadMatrixf call Sep 13 03:12:39 g00s like the great PointerEvents... TouchEvents... PointerEvents... TouchEvents... PointerEvents... TouchEvents... debate? :D Sep 13 03:12:54 g00s, agreed :) Sep 13 03:14:13 I've done a bunch of ports of C/C++ libraries to the JNI and through on an Android UI...or ported games that use SDL...even if they use OpenGL...plus the live wallpapers... Sep 13 03:16:00 I guess SDL would mostly map into the canvas api Sep 13 03:17:33 I've been using pelya's SDL/Android framework. I know the official SDL crowd has SDL2 for Android, but very little uses SDL2. I don't know if the SDL2 people handle SDL1 for Android. Sep 13 03:18:20 I guess the only reason for SDL on Android would be for porting or if someone is really used to it. Sep 13 03:18:20 Someone tried to do a port of Neverball ( http://neverball.org/screenshots.php ) and made some progress...it's a big project though Sep 13 03:18:50 interesting http://www.amazon.com/The-Smartphone-Industry-Elizabeth-Woyke/dp/1595589635 Sep 13 03:18:53 Porting, sure. People have cross-platform games. Windows, Mac, Linux, Android... Sep 13 03:23:54 Seems like it would be hard to maintain all those platforms with a common code base without corporate resources. Sep 13 03:27:47 It needs a lot of disparate work. Graphics, sound, engine, game design... Sep 13 04:02:12 So to get my dagger dependencies in an activity, I have to specify that the module injects to that activity, and i have to inject the activity into the object graph? Sep 13 04:02:38 last part doesn't make sense Sep 13 04:02:45 yeah Sep 13 04:02:55 https://github.com/JakeWharton/u2020/blob/master/src/main/java/com/jakewharton/u2020/ui/MainActivity.java#L19 Sep 13 04:03:20 you are injecting the activity *with* the object graph Sep 13 04:03:55 oh Sep 13 04:05:22 so its letting the object graph know about the activity and telling it to let the activity have its dependencies? Sep 13 04:05:41 yes to the second part Sep 13 04:05:50 ok Sep 13 04:06:17 oh Sep 13 04:06:28 i got it now Sep 13 04:07:05 Inject the activity with the object graph, which allows the @Inject annotations to get the dependencies from the injected object graph Sep 13 04:07:46 I just got confused with that, I was thinking I was injecting the activity into the object graph, not injecting the object graph into the activity Sep 13 04:08:52 yep. you got it Sep 13 04:09:05 thanks for the clarification :) Sep 13 04:09:57 any particular issues with calling inject in my baseactivity class, if i know all subclasses will have @inject dependencies? I do this with butterknife too. Sep 13 04:10:05 nope Sep 13 04:10:13 you should watch my talk Sep 13 04:10:18 since i mention that as a pattern Sep 13 04:10:57 just found it, will have a look Sep 13 04:26:11 "and on the side we process tens of billions on cc transactions" hehe Sep 13 04:30:25 does anyone use an annotation processor for saving instance state Sep 13 04:30:42 i used androidannotations in the past but im getting tired of code not compiling because the generated classes arent up to date Sep 13 04:31:07 thats interesting Sep 13 04:31:18 saving what instance state? Sep 13 04:31:32 i use one for Parcelables Sep 13 04:31:40 in activities Sep 13 04:31:52 like @InstanceState String myString Sep 13 04:32:08 i was thinking it would be cool to add it to butterknife… but that would extend beyond the scope of the lib Sep 13 04:32:17 since you make a butterknife call in every activity anyway Sep 13 04:32:35 someone has made that Sep 13 04:32:38 don't remember what it's called Sep 13 04:32:45 i saw one that did too much Sep 13 04:33:13 https://github.com/frankiesardo/icepick Sep 13 04:33:16 cool Sep 13 04:33:23 because right now basically you need to define an instance field, constant key to save to state, then save state and restore it Sep 13 04:33:27 4 things to update every time you add a field Sep 13 04:33:29 to instance state Sep 13 04:33:48 that is pretty much what i need Sep 13 04:33:56 i dont like the @icicle annotation though Sep 13 04:34:03 neither do i Sep 13 04:34:04 guess ill have to change it :) Sep 13 04:34:44 you guys know there is history behind "icicle" Sep 13 04:34:56 im sure it’s very rich Sep 13 04:35:06 onSiS used to be called onFreeze Sep 13 04:35:09 it's cold Sep 13 04:36:12 g00s: im attempting to make my app similar to that blog post Sep 13 04:36:30 not sure how i feel Sep 13 04:36:33 desmin88 ah, great let me know how it goes Sep 13 04:37:39 well...just got an adt-1 in the mail today. Its stuck "Connecting to Google..." no amount of restarts can get it to do anything else Sep 13 04:37:54 any ideas? Sep 13 04:38:11 i wonder how icepick works, im a bit tired to dig in right now… using reflection at runtime? Sep 13 04:38:58 annotation processor Sep 13 04:39:28 annotations can be processed at runtime or compile time though Sep 13 04:39:48 i guess in this case, it can work at compile time Sep 13 04:40:09 androidannoattions actually generated code that your activities would have to rely on Sep 13 04:40:17 so whenever you clean, you get class not founds everywhere Sep 13 04:40:29 or if you refactor, it gets messy Sep 13 04:41:05 so now i need a lib like this for fragment arg and activity extras Sep 13 04:41:17 learn to love the boilerplate Sep 13 04:41:24 heh Sep 13 04:43:59 this is cool http://novoda.com/blog/the-making-of-icepick Sep 13 04:45:41 an annotation processor is always compile time Sep 13 04:45:56 you don't process annotations at runtime, you reflect on them Sep 13 04:46:02 its one thing to use some big canons, rxjava, something like dagger, retrofit whatever - but too many of these silly convenience things like icepick becomes dingleberries on your project; more headache than any harmless boilerplate could ever be Sep 13 04:46:03 ah Sep 13 04:46:15 dingleberries Sep 13 04:46:16 oh lawd Sep 13 04:46:41 g00s: but having to add 4 things every time you want to persist a field? Sep 13 04:46:50 thats too much Sep 13 04:46:57 it's just his opinion Sep 13 04:47:02 get off his lawn Sep 13 04:47:04 lol Sep 13 04:47:07 :) Sep 13 04:47:22 i just think of how many times ive tried to add somethign to instance state and either forget to restore or save or something Sep 13 04:47:28 and debugging that Sep 13 04:47:34 just me i guess Sep 13 04:48:04 learn to organize your code Sep 13 04:48:14 decalre 4 things, init 4 things, restore 4 things Sep 13 04:48:19 in order, you'll live Sep 13 04:48:24 teach me yoda Sep 13 04:48:45 (i will be trying out icepick in the mean time) Sep 13 04:49:15 yeah that's stupid Sep 13 04:49:20 do it once, forget about it Sep 13 04:49:27 it's a god damn computer Sep 13 04:49:31 make it do what you want Sep 13 04:49:37 JacobTabak wait until you have to make a content provider Sep 13 04:49:51 there's an annotation processor for that Sep 13 04:50:01 g00s: what is a content provider i don’t know how to computer Sep 13 04:56:42 JacobTabak its an architectural piece of android's IPC that no dingleberry can fix Sep 13 04:57:48 i love how the tutorials used to push content providers as THE way to store and retrieve data Sep 13 04:58:23 i think now they finally have a warning on there Sep 13 04:58:34 like DO NOT USE THIS unless you’re sharing data with other applications Sep 13 05:03:42 this little adt-1 really screams dev hardware....had to factory reset it. I got it to start but now the controller wont connect. Sep 13 05:04:58 JacobTabak i wonder if the devs of the Contacts content provider are still alive; or if they just hung themselves Sep 13 05:05:32 i dont understand why there aren’t api wrappers for those ? Sep 13 05:05:46 like why do we have to use cursors Sep 13 05:06:00 of course they should be available for performance critical stuff Sep 13 05:17:59 haha, this is great. BluetoohGattCallbacks don't happen on the main thread - and i don't see the docs even mentioning this Sep 13 07:29:51 1) What happens to singletone object after destroying activity, if i create it in activity and store reference to it only in activity? Sep 13 07:29:51 2) Same question but if i store reference to it in foreground service Sep 13 07:30:09 someone knows how to delete an app on chartboost? and what is the new in play ads? Sep 13 08:06:48 olologin: the key is the assignment operator. when you initialize the static object, even if your app is destroyed the hosting process is cached in the system memory so the assignment holds true until that process is destroyed (ie force close by the system). So you have to dereference the static assignments of the singleton by setting them to null. Sep 13 08:07:11 *when you want finalize/destory the singelton Sep 13 08:07:53 for instance i usually kill my static references (that could leak) in onpause and reassign them in onresume since onpause is the only life-cycle method guarenteed to be called during a "shutdown" process Sep 13 08:09:19 lasserix_: So even if i store reference in activity (but in static variable) after activity onDestroy it will be in memory and i can use it from service (until os kills process)? Sep 13 08:10:04 *singletone instance will be in memory Sep 13 08:12:00 hey guys Sep 13 08:12:44 are there some great revenue analytics tools I apply to the financial data the google dev console provides (monthly csv files, is there a "all sales single csv" as well?) Sep 13 08:12:55 I would like in special to know how earnings developed in the past 2 years Sep 13 08:13:54 Whats the best way to reference a library project? as a maven dependency? Sep 13 08:14:50 olologin: i am not sure about onDestroy but i think not Sep 13 08:15:17 onDestroy indicates the hosting process is being terminated, hence the reference is lost since the memory is deallocated Sep 13 08:16:13 lasserix_: thanks Sep 13 08:28:00 i could be slightly wrong in saying "the process is cached" -- i am not sure, but that is what i've deduced from inspecting during debugging Sep 13 08:28:12 and the end result is the same Sep 13 08:28:17 hey guys Sep 13 08:29:38 if I am trying to make a clickable map, what is the best way to go about it... should I set it up with a game engine Sep 13 08:29:55 what kind of map? Sep 13 08:30:05 onDestroy doesn't tell you what happens to the process, just whatever onDestroy is called on Sep 13 08:30:49 @lasserix basically I want to take a world map and allow the user to click on the country, if they click on the country I want the country to be highlighted and allow them to click on multiple countries Sep 13 08:30:55 SimonVT: so onDestroy being called by an activity doesn't guarentee a static reference of a field member is released? Sep 13 08:31:04 Nope Sep 13 08:31:10 ahh okay Sep 13 08:31:12 thanks Sep 13 08:31:22 An Activity is just one component of an app Sep 13 08:31:38 but it could mean it is released? Sep 13 08:31:39 how can I fix “FacebookException: Install attribution has been disabled on the server”? Sep 13 08:31:40 I know I can use color to figure out what part of the map was clicked on to say ok if it is this color then do something, but not sure how to change the shade of the color on the map Sep 13 08:31:55 I don’t see such a setting in FB app. It’s the Android FB SDK? Anyone know? Sep 13 08:32:01 There's no relation between onDestroy and the process being killed/reclaimed Sep 13 08:32:15 Ahh okay thanks Sep 13 08:33:09 So to answer olologin's question, a singleton initialized in an activity's on create is still accessable by a service of that app after the activity's ondestory is called? Sep 13 08:33:43 If the Activity was started in that process before the Service Sep 13 08:34:07 In fact service needs to store reference to singletone for accessing it Sep 13 08:34:07 Depending on how your Service is implemented, the process can be killed and the Service started later in a new process Sep 13 08:34:26 In that case, the Singleton wouldn't be initialized since the Activity was never started in that process Sep 13 08:36:21 Unless Android restores the activity stack immediately as well, but I wouldn't count on any special order Sep 13 08:37:27 You can only ever rely on Application#onCreate being called before whatever component you're in (unless it's a ContentProvider) Sep 13 08:49:30 so what is the best way to go about my issue anyone know Sep 13 08:51:02 SimonVT: ahh you mean within same process ie you can't access the singelton of a remote process Sep 13 08:52:27 I am trying to have a map image that when a user clicks on it, it responds to a touch event Sep 13 08:52:48 is it best to have the map in pieces and position each piece to make the world map or to use coordinates Sep 13 08:54:47 Lonesoldier728: the hardest part seems to be generating country pieces Sep 13 08:54:59 Android apps doesn't usually have multiple processes Sep 13 08:55:12 right so I am thinking of knowing what part of the image is clicked Sep 13 08:55:17 the thing is i wonder if there is some google map plugin to select by country, but i doubt it would give you the flexibility your game needs Sep 13 08:55:27 Each time an app component is started it could be in a new process tho Sep 13 08:55:56 Lonesoldier728: if you keep a a list of the bounding edges of each map, you can just compare the touch event position against the map's coordinates Sep 13 08:56:22 how can I find out all the bounding edges that is where I am confused Sep 13 08:56:23 SimonVT: yeah i just finished writing an sdk we use a remote process to host a raw binary executble Sep 13 08:56:28 I saw this on SO http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3961071/android-how-to-make-a-clickable-map-image-with-each-country-producing-a-differe Sep 13 08:56:45 Ahh but the key is that each time it is started, it could be new process. Sep 13 08:56:56 that is my question too but do not want to do it based on color Sep 13 08:57:01 SimonVT: thanks for the clarification! Sep 13 08:57:51 Assuming you don't tell it otherwise, all your app components live in the same process.. But if you background an app, then bring it to the foreground again.. There's no telling what happened between those two events Sep 13 08:58:23 That's why there's onSaveInstanceState, that'll be retained Sep 13 08:59:01 Ahh cool Sep 13 08:59:03 thank you Sep 13 09:00:21 Lonesoldier728: you can just model your countries as polygons and check if the x,y of the touch is in the polygon Sep 13 09:01:30 if you are clever you could find a map where each country is a different hue fill, then use a bitmask of the pixels to detect each country, to generate the coordinates of the bounding edges, but you could start by doing it by hand Sep 13 09:01:39 or mabye someon must have done htis already Sep 13 09:02:27 oh i guess that's what the comment said to do ;p Sep 13 09:03:31 oh you are NOt doing color looks like it is time to get some sleep Sep 13 09:03:44 how do I get polygons and coordinates Sep 13 09:03:53 you have to generate them some how Sep 13 09:03:57 forinstance you could do it by hand Sep 13 09:04:47 but i was saying you could do the color trick and then use some convex hull finder algorithm to get the polygons edges and then transform that into the screen coordinates and match it against the touch even tposition Sep 13 09:05:34 even that project from catchthecows you have to manually set the hotspots Sep 13 09:06:15 another thing is, if I do the polygon thing, on a click if I want to change the color of that region will I be able too? Sep 13 09:07:42 lasserix_ when clash of clans or boom beach are in there map view Sep 13 09:08:02 how do they know where you are clicking on the screen and is it just one big image Sep 13 09:21:20 Lonesoldier728: its just collision detection Sep 13 09:21:27 image the screen is 100 rectangles Sep 13 09:21:46 every click you check each rectangle rect whether the xy of the click is in the rectangle Sep 13 09:21:50 click->touch Sep 13 09:22:10 instead of rectangles, let it be whatever (non-overlapping) shape you want Sep 13 09:22:26 ah ok, how do I know the coordinates exactly then Sep 13 09:22:34 if you model your map so that you know each edge, you can then color in each region however you want Sep 13 09:23:16 i dont know that's up to, but somehow you need to detect edges of a photograph and mark off the apropiate regions Sep 13 09:23:59 you need to find some kind of world-country perimeter map Sep 13 09:24:10 *"perimeter coordinate" Sep 13 09:26:04 the real fun part about this is like disputed borders ;p Sep 13 09:27:43 yeah heh kk Sep 13 09:32:38 how can I see the coordinates, are they simple 0,0 from top left to 800x600 bottom right depending on the screen size? Sep 13 09:32:54 umm Sep 13 09:32:59 every screen has its own coordinates Sep 13 09:33:06 every touch event occurs in pixels Sep 13 09:33:14 but every screen has a different density of pixels Sep 13 09:33:45 so androud uses a way of measuring called "density indepedent pixels" which normalizes all the different densities so there can be one common way to measure Sep 13 09:34:26 ok yeah, how do you measure that then is it out of a 100% Sep 13 09:34:35 or how does that measure out exactly Sep 13 09:35:03 determined by the screen Sep 13 09:35:32 Yes, 0,0 is top left. Your view size isn't necessarily the same as the screen size, some might be used for screen decorations (status bar, navigation bar, action bar, ..) Sep 13 09:35:42 but you know for certain 100 dp one a low density devices will equal 100 dp on a high density device, even though the 100dp on the high density device will be physically smaller on than the low densitry, since the pixels are more densly packed Sep 13 09:35:50 But you know the size of the view, so the rest doesn't matter Sep 13 09:35:57 ^^ Sep 13 09:37:02 Lonesoldier728: isn't it awesome how an idea that seems simple in theory becomes a nightmare in practice? ;p Sep 13 09:37:12 yeah haha Sep 13 09:38:39 so if I want to use dp to detect the coordinates hit, how can I know if I am looking at an image file right now, how can I find out the coordinates right now so I can put it in dynamically to do something with it, or if I use the 100 rectangle method Sep 13 09:39:58 um Sep 13 09:40:06 the touch event pos x y is always in pixels Sep 13 09:40:18 you convert it to do dp if you need to do something that requires that Sep 13 09:40:51 SimonVT was saying that since the touch pos x y is relative to the view, (ie 0 0 is the top left of the view which is being clicked) you don't need to worry about that so much Sep 13 09:41:12 what you need to beable to do is map, within the view, where the x y of a touch event correspond to a country Sep 13 09:41:22 to do that implement a onTouchListener Sep 13 09:41:42 itll give you a MotionEvent with a type (DOWN UP MOVE CANCEL etc) and the x y Sep 13 09:41:48 (along with a lot of other information) Sep 13 09:42:40 hey, i have 8 images with the same size, i want to make from them loading animation, what should I use for image changing? timer, or is there any built-in classes for that? Sep 13 09:43:59 ok so I understand that I can grab the coordinates but then I would have to convert it for dip, or will the coordinates be based off dip? Also, how would I figure out exactly what the coordinates are exactly too tho, like how do I notice it, open it up with photoshop or something and see exactly what point equates to what manually? Sep 13 09:44:31 krokyze: AnimationDrawable Sep 13 09:44:57 ty Sep 13 09:45:05 Lonesoldier728: you don't have to convert to dp i was just mentioning that, what you do have to do is convert the view on tocuh pos to the map country coordinates Sep 13 09:46:19 for instance, you will always know that a country in the center of the map, if you make the map fill the width of the screen on all screens (view has layout_width = match parent etc) then you know that x / 2 will always get you close to the x coordinate Sep 13 09:46:23 of the map Sep 13 09:46:42 if it was in the xact ctner, x/2 y/2 would definatly be in the country Sep 13 09:47:08 what you could do is divide your map image into say 20 or 100 pieces, Sep 13 09:47:18 then based on one "unit" of piece, measure the map Sep 13 09:47:38 generting the permitiers for the countries, ie outline each country as a set of points, Sep 13 09:47:57 so if it is a 100 pieces, then some x/some number always has to happen? Sep 13 09:48:16 now you can take that collection of points, based on this arbitrary unit and figure out where the x / y is by figuring out how many pixels are in a unit Sep 13 09:48:29 if it is 1/3 then x/.333 Sep 13 09:48:36 yeah that's the idea Sep 13 09:48:55 i gota go booty call is here :) Sep 13 09:48:57 good luck! Sep 13 09:49:03 haha thanks kk have fun Sep 13 09:56:34 Is it possible to control the screenshot that gets shown in the Recent Apps list? Sep 13 10:05:10 or rather, how can I get it to actually show the content of my GLSurfaceView app? Sep 13 10:05:15 It just shows a black screen for now Sep 13 10:05:25 rather than the rendered contents of the app Sep 13 10:08:37 how can i define a drawing and pass it on to a child view, so the child view draws it? Sep 13 10:08:42 if that makes any sense Sep 13 10:10:00 basically i have a button i’ve written that’s subclassed from ViewGroup, and i want to define its drawing its parent class Sep 13 10:11:36 *from Sep 13 10:21:55 hey brought just a theoretical question today... games like Mario.. or Flappy bird... where there is a long 2d course, but only a screen sized portion is displayed at a time... how is that done? .. do they animate the entire course into one picture, and make cuts? .. do they have 500 pictures, so one for each step you take forward? Sep 13 10:24:18 P3nnyw1se: usually those are broken up into lots of smaller chunks, and only what's needed at a moment is drawn Sep 13 10:24:20 p3nnyw1se I am curious about that too Sep 13 10:25:12 ekz I realise that.. but what exactly is drawn ... is a permanent picture... cut of a map, everything painted onto the same Sep 13 10:25:14 e.g. you might have a level file that just says "place a red brick at coordinate x1,y1" Sep 13 10:25:16 or is there a calculation done Sep 13 10:25:38 saying 'place this here.. place this here.. place this here... draw' Sep 13 10:25:44 it's pretty simple, you just draw what's needed to cover the screen! Sep 13 10:26:03 if there's stuff off-screen, you don't need to waste processing time by drawing it Sep 13 10:26:07 and loading it Sep 13 10:26:23 but you understand the different possibilities right ? ... I'm not talking about whats not on screen.. I know they dont draw that Sep 13 10:26:24 a very simple check will tell you whether something is on or off screen Sep 13 10:26:28 i’d probably have a level file with properties, like coordinates of objects, object type, etc Sep 13 10:26:42 then a control for what coordinates you’re in Sep 13 10:27:00 ultra- gets it Sep 13 10:27:13 ekx what about those games that have long views and you can scroll left and right Sep 13 10:27:21 ultra- that makes sense... but then you have to calculate each time you draw.. to place the objects.. if you just drew like the MARIO first level... and cut it into 500 pictures.. .. you could just load 1.. according to marios position right ? Sep 13 10:28:07 Lonesoldier728: well then it's exactly the same, except it's really long :) Sep 13 10:28:21 i suppose, but that’s not how i’d do it Sep 13 10:28:25 i’m not a game developer though Sep 13 10:28:55 Lonesoldier728: you don't need to have every piece of information about the level being processed at a second, just what's needed to draw the stuff on screen and do physics calculations and stuff Sep 13 10:28:58 I was wondering cause I just see several ways to handle it... none of them involving drawing whats not on screen..even though ekx keeps thinking thats what I'm saying Sep 13 10:28:59 ;) Sep 13 10:29:08 bha Sep 13 10:29:18 I'm probably misreading your question Sep 13 10:29:27 I know we are only drawing on screen.. Sep 13 10:29:34 ekx for a long how do you know the coordinates or do you have a set image size so you get the coordinates that way (disregarding dip at that point) Sep 13 10:29:43 but I see ways like.. calculating whats suppose to be there.. or taking a big map.. cutting it into 500 still frames.. and just loading one of those frames Sep 13 10:30:03 according to position Sep 13 10:30:09 yeah Sep 13 10:30:13 that's how you can do it Sep 13 10:30:16 strictly talking about the background and not things like the blocks mario hits his head on? Sep 13 10:30:39 I suppose my frame cutting would fail with usable objects like brick etc. Sep 13 10:30:49 I'm asking because I've been working with gif files lately Sep 13 10:30:53 well, look at the backgrounds as part of the coordinate system Sep 13 10:31:04 I had 5-6mb worth of gif files loaded into an app.. and got memory leaks Sep 13 10:31:12 yeah gifs are harsh Sep 13 10:31:14 so now it hit me... we dont' have a lot of memory to deal with :P Sep 13 10:31:32 and I dont understand how games that features a lot of animations... angry birds.. e.g Sep 13 10:31:37 many screen-width images with assigned coordinates, if the image is within the coordinates, show it (plus an offset).. you’d have as many as two images loaded at once Sep 13 10:31:38 they handle that.. when I can't load in 5mb gifs Sep 13 10:31:55 tbh I don't get why gifs are such a problem these days... I see what you mean Sep 13 10:32:21 this scenario.. I had 5 views on screen... 5 animation-list.. each had 20 pictures of 32kb making up a gif Sep 13 10:32:21 vector, maybe Sep 13 10:32:31 when one of them is clicked.. I used animationdrawable to fire it once Sep 13 10:32:34 I guess nobody cares if gif rendering is efficient, they just get it to work and ship it Sep 13 10:32:35 Lonesoldier728: I don't follow Sep 13 10:32:42 after third or fourth click.. memory leak.. each time Sep 13 10:32:47 and I had barely loaded in 4mb Sep 13 10:33:24 ok I'm done... it's almost 4am Sep 13 10:33:29 later y'alls Sep 13 10:33:44 how can i paint an icon onto a child ViewGroup? like perhaps, make a canvas, and provide it to the child view Sep 13 10:34:03 without subclassing Sep 13 10:34:45 without subclassing.. no idea.. make it the background Sep 13 10:35:25 that i can’t do, since the button has its own drawing Sep 13 10:35:32 i want to tell it “draw this on top of everything being drawn" Sep 13 10:35:41 like layers in iOS, if you’ve worked with that Sep 13 10:36:16 yeah I'm soon about to do the same, cant you do some view and put it to foreground somehow? Sep 13 10:36:24 like put a view and force it on top Sep 13 10:36:38 yeah you can do that, but i’d still have to subclass view Sep 13 10:36:45 maybe not, i think i can use dispatchdraw or something Sep 13 10:37:12 you definitely can add multiple views using addView, if you’re adding it to a ViewGroup (not a View) Sep 13 10:37:42 Hello, is anybody using retrofit here? Sep 13 10:37:48 not i Sep 13 10:39:08 hi basic question again.. how do sprites work.. animations in same picture... it knows exacty where to cut each? .. why aren't these just placed into own seperate files and avoid the 'cutting' algorithm? Sep 13 10:41:14 to deal with the access to video memory bottleneck better Sep 13 10:41:58 games that have a map like thing, is there a certain size set and it is the same on every device or do they say 3 times the size if it does not fit on one screen Sep 13 10:42:47 for example Clash of Clans the map view is it a certain width and height Sep 13 10:42:49 Sculptor.. youre saying its a bigger load to access files than to take on and cut it ? Sep 13 10:43:05 or is it different for phone sizes Sep 13 10:43:29 can i programatically set the background color of a view using hex color codes? Sep 13 10:44:28 Color.parseColor(#FFFFFF) Sep 13 10:45:41 shouldn’t there be an alpha number too? Sep 13 10:48:58 just set the color, a hex color code is still a number Sep 13 10:49:17 0xFF000000 | 0xFFFFFF Sep 13 10:49:23 yes your correct Sep 13 10:49:53 backgroundColor = 0xFF000000 | 0xFFFFFF Sep 13 10:52:55 I show my levels in a 3*5 grid where level nbr and best time is shown. This removed the need for an actual highscore. Is it confusing to boot a game into a choose level View without a Main view first (PLAY, HIGHSCORES, ABOUT))? Sep 13 10:54:04 i’d say that games like angry birds and cut the rope have pretty good level selection, i’d do it their way Sep 13 10:54:14 and people have come to recognize that way of doing it Sep 13 11:00:27 is there any way to "dim" a view easily? i have custom views of varying sizes. My only thought is to draw a rectangle behind the view and set it to a dark color and then change the opacity of the view in front... is there a simpler way? Sep 13 11:07:12 basically how can i add a view on top of another view programatically? Sep 13 11:09:15 the view you’re adding to has to be a ViewGropu Sep 13 11:09:26 you should be able to change it to a ViewGroup without changing much else Sep 13 11:09:46 then make a new View with its alpha set lower, and use parent.addView(shadedView) Sep 13 11:21:21 ultra: yes but that is not the question. the question is if I should boot the app into level selection or into a main menu? Sep 13 11:39:39 ultra: yes but that is not the question. the question is if I should boot the app into level selection or into a main menu? Sep 13 11:39:45 (i was disconnected) Sep 13 11:51:37 zorka,Irc.freenode.net have probs again? Sep 13 11:51:40 :) Sep 13 11:52:14 i have problems (mobile broadband) Sep 13 11:52:22 i see Sep 13 11:52:48 i know for mobile broadband you need sasl support if i am right. Sep 13 11:54:53 zorka,Just try to help. Sep 13 12:01:14 perlsyntax, sure no prob Sep 13 12:04:26 :) Sep 13 12:54:50 hello Sep 13 12:55:07 are there any articles out there whether or not publishing to 3rd party app stores is worth it? Sep 13 12:57:32 I need some help, here's my activity code http://pastie.org/9550614 - I get this error "Attempted to access a cursor after it has been closed." - when i type something in the search box (EditText) and then quickly backspace it. once the box is empty and backspace gets triggered for a couple of times, it gives the error. what am i doing wrong ? need some help... Sep 13 13:04:01 when games make a background design for a game that can be scrolled left right and up down, is it an image view with a fixed size? Sep 13 13:05:28 meaning a phone that is an inch smaller like the samsung galaxy s4 vs the samsung note, will you be able to scroll more on the smaller phone than the larger Sep 13 13:20:23 i just attached my phone via cable to pc Sep 13 13:20:37 and deployed app on it... but I do not see any icon Sep 13 13:21:01 I see that app is installed but no icon anywhere. What I should check/ how I can launch that app? Sep 13 13:23:24 I can’t make retrofit work. It makes me sad. Sep 13 13:24:29 marrrk what issues you having Sep 13 13:24:54 Nothing happens. It doesn’t even crash Sep 13 13:25:08 I made a very simple service Sep 13 13:25:31 stefkos have you set for your MainActivity in androidmanifest? Sep 13 13:26:32 yeah my mistake Sep 13 13:26:35 thx krokyze Sep 13 13:26:59 And I get no log messages after creating the restAdapter Sep 13 13:37:44 show code Sep 13 13:37:47 not sure what you are doing then Sep 13 13:38:24 I finally found the error messages from that stuff Sep 13 13:38:28 so that’s good Sep 13 13:38:54 It seems like this is a problem: .setClient((new OkHttpClient).asInstanceOf[Client]) Sep 13 13:49:48 If I downloaded Android SDK and updated in one machine and then copied to another machine, will the updates be there? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 13 13:56:10 2014 Sep 13 13:57:38 hi Sep 13 13:58:00 i'd like get gps/gsm coordinates from C/ndk in android is it possible? Sep 13 14:03:02 maybe anybody know how to get GPS long/lat from kernel or C api Sep 13 14:03:04 ? Sep 13 14:03:40 thats complex Sep 13 14:04:20 should i Reverse Engineering my gps.marvel.so for that ? Sep 13 14:04:27 okay Sep 13 14:04:37 Moony22: ? Sep 13 14:04:49 if u want Sep 13 14:05:24 Moony22: what's the easiest way to do that without java? Sep 13 14:05:35 I'm not sure I use java Sep 13 14:06:27 Moony22: what about performance that "function" will be more slower ? Sep 13 14:06:56 hmmm Sep 13 14:06:57 performance and energe.. Sep 13 14:07:00 I use java Sep 13 14:09:11 hi there Sep 13 14:09:22 hi there Sep 13 14:09:54 Hi all, why my android emulator so slow on Mac Book Pro mid 2010? Sep 13 14:10:57