**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 17 02:59:58 2014 Sep 17 03:00:03 Interesting, I did not even know about the silver program, directly attacking Apple tends to be a mistake. Sep 17 03:00:47 it almost sounds like something MS would come up with. Sep 17 03:01:36 gotta be creative when companies like dell are butchering your product :) Sep 17 03:02:16 true, I just notice people get in trouble when they focus on what Apple is doing, rather than what they are doing ;) Sep 17 03:02:18 g00s: Eclipse is still the most popular IDE, I think. Sep 17 03:07:48 this looks good (if you're into startup stuff) http://www.amazon.com/Zero-One-Notes-Startups-Future/dp/0804139296 Sep 17 03:19:43 hmm, does anyone know how long it takes for your app to get indexed on the play store search? Sep 17 03:19:56 I mean, it works when using an explicit link but not the search, for some reason Sep 17 03:19:58 a few hours Sep 17 03:20:43 it has to propagate for a while. Sep 17 03:20:57 hmm, fair enough Sep 17 03:21:01 it's been half a day though Sep 17 03:21:32 hm...not sure. Sep 17 03:22:17 I don't remember how long after unloading a searched for my app, but it was visible the next day iirc Sep 17 03:22:23 I* Sep 17 03:22:33 I guess I just have to be a bit more patient Sep 17 03:22:56 yup, I think that is about your only option to be honest :) Sep 17 03:23:15 also, any tips on which blogs to send your apps to? Sep 17 03:23:23 besides androidpolice Sep 17 03:23:30 being an obvious one Sep 17 03:24:21 I don't really promote my app, so I don't know personally. Sep 17 03:25:53 you don't promote your app? Sep 17 03:26:05 do you try to make a living out of your android apps? Sep 17 03:27:06 no, I just wanted to go thru the process right now, also my app is dev-art so its free etc. Sep 17 03:27:23 in the future I might try to make some money I guess Sep 17 03:27:42 dev-art? Sep 17 03:27:48 I have a lot of apps planned Sep 17 03:27:59 ya, meaning: using programming to make art. Sep 17 03:28:05 ah fair enough Sep 17 03:28:37 EoN ok, stop right there. there are no "note apps" that haven't been done. there are no "new twists" in that area. it's funny you say that. I'm after a notes app which doenst have ANY 'todo' list or 'extra bits' on it. just notes. simple notes. when i click on the list i want it to open the note. then be able to edit it and save it via clear 'edit' and 'save' or 'done' buttons. no weirdness in switching between edit/view mode. also the font Sep 17 03:28:37 should be good/solid, and design be nice Sep 17 03:28:38 its kind of a movement right now, artists trying to figure out what the "native" media of computer art is and so on Sep 17 03:28:43 i'm yet to find it. please tell me what has that! Sep 17 03:29:10 EoN google Keep is like that :| Sep 17 03:29:19 i dont want any server side component Sep 17 03:29:31 google keep has a weird interface IMO Sep 17 03:30:18 the best notes app i've ever used was the iphone default notes app. i have an android copy but its a bit crap Sep 17 03:30:46 basically i'm after 'less', not more. and everything seems to have extras Sep 17 03:40:30 i'd use less over more any day Sep 17 03:43:04 it doesn't matter how beautiful a note taking app is, at this point you'll have to cut through the noise of 100K other beautiful note taking apps Sep 17 03:44:39 why can’t you save a parcelable to shared prefs -.- Sep 17 03:45:00 that would be too convenient Sep 17 03:45:06 also prefs are stored in XML Sep 17 03:45:19 i need a dingleberry to do that for me Sep 17 03:45:28 mvstore is your dingleberry Sep 17 03:45:56 well, that won't woth parcelable directly, hmm Sep 17 03:45:58 o yea? Sep 17 03:46:29 right now im just doing gson.toJson() Sep 17 03:46:31 but its a bit annoying Sep 17 03:46:42 because i need to get a type token to deserialize it Sep 17 03:46:42 g00s: true, too many notes app these days huh Sep 17 03:47:38 shingshang seems like everyone say, "i'm going to make a note taking app... but this one is going to be different: its going to be /beautiful/ Sep 17 03:48:22 g00s: that's what I did for the iPhone Sep 17 03:48:27 it worked, but not because of the note app Sep 17 03:49:12 one can substitute note taking app for 'messaging app that deletes messages after xxx' Sep 17 03:49:18 etc etc Sep 17 03:49:27 that's true too Sep 17 03:49:37 but the latter is pretty hot for investors I think Sep 17 03:49:50 i just get ppl to pay me to make their apps Sep 17 03:50:02 takes less effort than having your own idea Sep 17 03:50:34 how come adb shell pm clear is just ‘failed’ ? Sep 17 03:55:36 maybe you've already removed that app before? That's what I get if I try and uninstall an app that isn't there Sep 17 03:55:51 i wish :\ i can’t uninstall or clear from shell right now Sep 17 03:56:01 have to do it manually Sep 17 03:56:18 that's strange. how come? Sep 17 03:56:27 oh nm Sep 17 03:56:28 my bad Sep 17 03:56:42 debug { applicationIdSuffix '.dev' } Sep 17 03:56:45 :D Sep 17 03:56:57 forgot the .dev at the end of the app id Sep 17 03:57:02 that ol' chestnut! Sep 17 04:19:38 recyclerview is pretty cool Sep 17 04:20:07 yeah i've been meaning to play around with that Sep 17 04:20:26 been too lazy to copy it out of the 21-rc support lib Sep 17 04:20:27 like in the past i’d extend framelayout or something to make a custom view Sep 17 04:20:53 g00s: you can do this hack http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/297xli/howto_use_the_v21_support_libs_on_older_versions/ Sep 17 04:22:04 thanks i'll check that out Sep 17 04:26:17 huh, I thought recycler view is packaged separately already... Sep 17 04:26:32 can’t compile it with so unless you have l preview installed on a device, or want to use the stock android emu, it’s not really viable Sep 17 04:27:00 no compatibility with genymotion, etc Sep 17 04:27:16 Haven't noticed Sep 17 04:28:25 what do you mean havent noticed? Sep 17 04:32:20 the manifest in recycler Sep 17 04:33:15 Haven't even tried it yet, doesn't help that the new support libs cause my compiler to crash Sep 17 04:33:26 at least appcompat Sep 17 04:33:51 pfn javac ? Sep 17 04:34:02 no Sep 17 04:34:24 but the new annotation bullshit they implemented in the new appcompat Sep 17 04:34:26 ... Sep 17 04:36:29 JacobTabak keep mvstore tucked away in the toolbelt, its pretty awesome. if you need k/v its very fast Sep 17 04:36:48 i do Sep 17 04:36:51 need ti right now Sep 17 04:37:18 can you summarize in 1 sentence why its awesome Sep 17 04:37:22 how is it backed Sep 17 04:37:59 its backed by memory or log structured storage Sep 17 04:38:27 its the new engine of h2; just like sqlite is being refactored into a k/v store and sql layer ontop Sep 17 04:38:51 so if i have objects i want to store by id Sep 17 04:38:56 numeric id Sep 17 04:39:06 that i never need to modify Sep 17 04:39:12 just save and read Sep 17 04:39:25 you can modify all you want, but yeah Sep 17 04:39:35 the id would be the key of course Sep 17 04:40:35 why is this faster than shared prefs? Sep 17 04:40:40 doesnt shared prefs cache after the first retrieval Sep 17 04:40:58 JacobTabak i would only use mv store if you need performance, like you have billions of kets Sep 17 04:41:01 *keys Sep 17 04:41:11 or you need range queries, like between x and y Sep 17 04:41:13 ok i’ll keep that in mind Sep 17 04:41:19 probably not good for what im doing now Sep 17 04:41:25 yeah, otherwise its a dingleberry ;) you can use sqlite of prefs Sep 17 04:41:26 which is just caching like 100 objects with 4 fields Sep 17 04:42:33 i try to just use what the android framework gives unless its a big mismatch or performance problem Sep 17 04:42:49 * g00s doesn't like unnecessary dependencies Sep 17 04:42:56 i have so many dingleberries Sep 17 04:43:23 24 gradle deps Sep 17 04:43:27 problem is, all the digleberries get caught in each other and emergen bugginess ensues Sep 17 04:43:44 no problesm for me really Sep 17 04:43:52 :) Sep 17 04:54:09 hey dudes Sep 17 04:54:13 weird thing here Sep 17 04:56:03 http://cl.ly/image/2X3O0d3t3b11 this is my layout preview, and this is the app http://cl.ly/image/393j0F0j440u Sep 17 04:56:09 the line spacing isn’t previewed correctly Sep 17 04:56:11 or something Sep 17 04:56:14 is this always? Sep 17 04:57:35 how are you positioning it ? Sep 17 04:57:58 linearlayout Sep 17 04:58:00 on top of eachother Sep 17 04:58:21 pastebin, and you not setting any special formatting on the text? Sep 17 04:58:55 http://pastebin.com/sL6HYqEW Sep 17 04:59:02 oh sorry Sep 17 04:59:06 i just put some padding in there to make up for it Sep 17 04:59:11 let me repaste quick Sep 17 04:59:26 http://pastebin.com/jLErGaDH Sep 17 05:00:39 man i have never spent this much time on a layout Sep 17 05:00:55 huh, very odd, I know things like kerning are off in the preview, but not soo far out and not at the origin :) Sep 17 05:01:07 heres what it looks like in reality Sep 17 05:01:08 http://cl.ly/image/0F2b1u2o2G1O Sep 17 05:01:36 very annoying -.- Sep 17 05:02:01 well 2 things to do to visually and practically debug this Sep 17 05:02:23 1. turn on view bounds , confirm it's the bounds or the inner text print that the culprit Sep 17 05:03:00 2. to diagnose the same thing, use relative layout with topBottom and leftLeft rules Sep 17 05:03:48 3. Make the text size and style (and no all caps) identical to also add to this mystery :) Sep 17 05:03:55 http://cl.ly/image/0Q3c2Y0l2q00 Sep 17 05:04:05 view bounds are ok Sep 17 05:04:09 its just… weird Sep 17 05:04:44 in the layout preview, the clip box ends before the letters do http://cl.ly/image/172M2p2g1A0d Sep 17 05:04:55 like the y goes over the clip box Sep 17 05:05:00 and the g Sep 17 05:05:13 same amount it's offset at the beginning Sep 17 05:06:01 maybe the view is a little drunk ? given the text content context :) Sep 17 05:06:17 haha Sep 17 05:11:34 another build system http://pantsbuild.github.io/ Sep 17 05:11:56 from twitter, foursquare, and square Sep 17 05:12:02 false Sep 17 05:12:11 it's from twitter Sep 17 05:12:14 my friend always tells me about his crappy ideas for android apps that I should make Sep 17 05:12:21 and it's nowhere near new Sep 17 05:12:24 this time he's actually got a great idea Sep 17 05:13:08 an app that runs in the background so that if you lose it, you can say something like "where's my phone?" and it would starting ringing Sep 17 05:13:31 so it’s going to be listening to your mic 24/7? Sep 17 05:13:37 sounds legit Sep 17 05:13:59 ok apparently you can’t put radiobuttons in a tablerow Sep 17 05:14:41 this may actually be a problem Sep 17 05:14:58 JakeWharton pedantic Sep 17 05:14:59 so don't use them Sep 17 05:15:10 they're just compound buttons with a different background Sep 17 05:15:15 JacobTabak, yeah but thats a problem as well Sep 17 05:15:21 it will eat battery life most likely Sep 17 05:15:31 JakeWharton: i mean you need to have a radiogroup as the direct parent Sep 17 05:15:42 i’m going to have to handle the only-one-selected-at-a-time manually Sep 17 05:15:52 i believe that with API 19 and above, you can do voice recognition without internet Sep 17 05:15:53 just annoying Sep 17 05:16:42 moto x let's you say where's my phone Sep 17 05:16:43 g00s: pedantic is concerned with minor details (such as correcting your use of pedant), you had two glaring inaccuracies Sep 17 05:16:44 if I could figure out an ingenious way to save battery life, it might work Sep 17 05:17:00 pfn, oh really? I didn't know that Sep 17 05:17:22 pfn was it a HW dongle or something? i was looking for it here http://www.motorola.com/us/accessory-family-page-1/ Sep 17 05:18:09 oh i thought they had some new keychain fob too Sep 17 05:20:13 meh, i was thinking of the Motorola Skip Sep 17 05:20:18 i have to make a custom tablelayout that adds checked changed listeners to all its children Sep 17 05:20:39 or just do it manually… either way, lame Sep 17 05:21:07 or could modify radiogroup to look 2 lvls deep for compound buttons Sep 17 05:23:12 eh i’ll just use butterknife to get an array of the checkboxes i need to manage… should be easiest Sep 17 05:24:16 RadioGroup shouldn't be a ViewGroup Sep 17 05:24:27 yeah its a weird linearlayout Sep 17 05:24:29 it should just be an object that manages multiple views Sep 17 06:19:57 pretty interesting theory http://blog.sephiroth.it/2014/09/16/why-its-hard-to-find-android-developers/ Sep 17 06:27:12 It's hard because most of then want to hire supertechs with all the answers who don't require time, investment, and long term commitments Sep 17 06:28:55 capella-s3 thats why i've been doing my best (on the side) to learn about startups, marketing, hw design, and getting stuff manufactured ... Sep 17 06:31:03 :) I like IT as much as the business functional side... but I'd rather not own one Sep 17 06:31:47 * capella-s3 would rather gave my ass caned in Singapore Sep 17 06:32:37 capella-s3 ... Sep 17 06:32:46 heh wat Sep 17 06:33:31 "owning a business is hard" Sep 17 06:34:18 finance profits without producing anything, it can't be that hard :P Sep 17 06:35:27 yah... it's all "profit"... XD Sep 17 06:42:32 Companies make interviewing as unpleasant as possible...I find the asking for references most unpleasant Sep 17 06:45:03 The author of the article seems to have a case of Apple envy... faults it for crowding out interest in Android Sep 17 06:45:08 The one thing the HN crowd talks about is how cheap it is nowadays to launch a startup that can potentially have massive success Sep 17 06:46:17 Most Android developers I know, the designer thinks it's all like iOS, your job is basically to get the designers layout onto an Android Sep 17 06:46:20 I thing it's more a matter of market reality... there's no profit motive in open source software dev Sep 17 06:46:52 MS and Apple earn profits Sep 17 06:47:21 One billion Android devices are being sold this year, there is money to be made there... Sep 17 06:47:32 Hardware Sep 17 06:48:10 My apps made over $3000 last December, and that's one person working part-time on them Sep 17 06:48:46 And I used to make 50$hr for IBM Sep 17 06:49:01 That sells stuff Sep 17 06:49:30 People don't focus on earning money Sep 17 06:49:52 not in Android world, i agree Sep 17 06:49:53 I started programming a photo collage app for teen girls or whatever and I'm already bored with it Sep 17 06:50:35 I know it would be worth the development time if I finished it...but I'm currently futzing with cool live wallpapers that probably won't do much Sep 17 06:53:16 In the early days of the web people said there was no money to be made on the web Sep 17 07:04:54 Ologn, also google doesn't allow all countries to participate so i cant charge money or make money from the play store what so ever which is very very sad Sep 17 07:15:40 Ologn capella-s3 noticed this on HN http://startupclass.samaltman.com/ Sep 17 07:17:05 g00s, yes I'll watch the videos when they come out Sep 17 07:20:12 sounds sketchy... in that... I wonder how much rah-rah you'll get vs. useful detail Sep 17 07:20:21 anyone know if proguard can specifically strip classes, regardless of whether they're used or not? Sep 17 07:29:41 so why can't you use custom fonts with android? Sep 17 07:29:53 ...never, ever, ever, ever, ever works Sep 17 07:34:08 MartialLaw: you can't? Sep 17 07:34:49 I can't add AndroidStaggeredGrid to my project. Gradle says: Failed to find: com.etsy.android.grid:library:1.0.5 . Sep 17 07:37:45 barbs, g00s: "Error:Execution failed for task ':app:processDebugManifest'. > Manifest merger failed : uses-sdk:minSdkVersion 11 cannot be smaller than version L declared in library com.android.support:support-v4:21.0.0-rc1" this message is from a migrated project on Android Studio Sep 17 07:38:01 transition ain't that smooth anyway Sep 17 07:38:59 change your version of support library to 4:20.0.0 Sep 17 07:39:28 barbs: Thanks and ya! Did that, same Sep 17 07:40:19 barbs: I think I need support-v4-20.0.0.jar Sep 17 07:40:41 if you're using gradle, no Sep 17 07:40:56 put compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:20.0.0' Sep 17 07:41:05 in your dependencies in your build.gradle Sep 17 07:42:11 f2prateek: yeah Google FAILED to mention .ttf doesn't work anymore with Android...so you have to use .otf Sep 17 07:42:14 barbs: uses-sdk:minSdkVersion 11 cannot be smaller than version L declared in library com.android.support:support-v4:21.0.0-rc1 Sep 17 07:42:22 what an extremely frustrating thing Sep 17 07:42:23 eeinteresting https://github.com/davidmoten/rxjava-jdbc Sep 17 07:44:46 did you put it in the right gradle file? Sep 17 07:45:06 I changed the build.gradle Sep 17 07:45:14 which one? Sep 17 07:45:17 compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:20.0.0' Sep 17 07:45:27 inside my /app Sep 17 07:45:31 ok Sep 17 07:45:48 and you did a sync? Sep 17 07:46:14 sure Sep 17 07:47:45 I stackoverflow-ed a bit before asking on here Sep 17 07:48:09 do a clean? Sep 17 07:49:22 seriously, I need to draw outside the screen..why are the drawings being clipped off to whatever portion of the screen that's visible! Sep 17 07:49:32 okay, cleaned the project and the message is still there Sep 17 07:49:36 zero google results on this! Sep 17 07:50:13 maybe I can increase the borders of Canvas/ Sep 17 07:51:15 yea I think that's my issue, it sees that canvas spans the width/length of the screen, so that's where it draws. anything outside of that is clipped off Sep 17 07:53:10 barbs: I think I should update my AndroidManifest.xml as well Sep 17 07:53:35 In my AndroidManifest.xml, the uses-sdk is android:targetSdkVersion="21" Sep 17 07:54:02 you should be changing the target in your gradle Sep 17 07:56:25 barbs: changing it on my gradle fixed something. But the Error: "Manifest merger failed : uses-sdk:minSdkVersion 11 cannot be smaller than version L declared in library com.android.support:support-v4:21.0.0-rc1" is still there Sep 17 07:58:43 barbs: Ahh, great! I've changed the com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+ to com.android.support:appcompat-v7:20.0.0. Works fine now. Sep 17 07:59:10 barbs: Thanks Sep 17 07:59:24 ahh, that lil bugger Sep 17 07:59:29 knew it was one of those!! Sep 17 08:02:05 hi, i am an iOS developer that is thinking about jumping ship. Sep 17 08:02:10 i was wondering what phone that is either currently out or is soon for release would be good to switch to? Sep 17 08:02:13 preferably im looking for one with an unlocked bootloader Sep 17 08:02:16 JUMP! DO IT!! Sep 17 08:02:35 i also hate java, so what can i do to avoid it? Sep 17 08:03:09 im more of a C/C++/ command line person and java is one of those languages that seems to push you to an IDE Sep 17 08:03:29 oh... you hate Java Sep 17 08:03:32 it is possible to make android apps without an IDE, though generally not ideal Sep 17 08:03:47 it's also possible to make apps without java - using scala or kotlin Sep 17 08:03:52 or Qt Sep 17 08:03:55 Eclim solves the IDE problem for command line people Sep 17 08:03:59 you don't use IDE, but I think you are still coding in Java. Sep 17 08:04:00 so according to this, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/2d-graphics.html I do not have to create a bitmap to initialize the canvas with, if Im placing my calls to Draw inside onDraw() Sep 17 08:04:05 I'm using it with Emacs; works flawlessly Sep 17 08:04:09 so that's great, no need for bitmap, one is already provided Sep 17 08:04:10 or using other frameworks (like Xamarin) Sep 17 08:04:13 rweichler: Not much, sadly. There are Scala, Clojure and all the other JVM languages, but an IDE helps these too, even Clojure (a Lisp), because of the Java ffi. Sep 17 08:05:01 barbs: xamarin is worse lol Sep 17 08:05:05 if you want to stick with c++ you can deploy Qt applications on Android Sep 17 08:05:05 dhamidi: thanks ill check it out Sep 17 08:05:06 i'd start with java and then try other stuff as you feel more adventurous Sep 17 08:05:24 g00s: ok Sep 17 08:05:25 you can't access all of the Java stuff from C Sep 17 08:05:37 Yeah, what g00s said. Also, Qt apps feel... weird. :) Sep 17 08:05:46 and the NDK is a .. pita ;) Sep 17 08:05:48 For games that's probably okay though. Sep 17 08:06:50 flan3002: they are adding Android look and feel in Qt 5.4 flan3002 Sep 17 08:07:04 oh another question Sep 17 08:07:08 GrecKo: Oh, I didn't know about that. :/ Sep 17 08:07:14 uh so iOS has this framework called mobilesubstrate Sep 17 08:07:17 that allows for jailbreak tweaks Sep 17 08:07:20 it's not yet out Sep 17 08:07:25 only the alfa Sep 17 08:07:26 is there anything like that for android? Sep 17 08:08:06 xposed ? Sep 17 08:08:06 there are no jails on android Sep 17 08:08:11 rweichler: If I understood that correctly, it allows to alter the behaviour of applications? Xposed maybe? Sep 17 08:09:02 yeah Sep 17 08:09:02 thanks Sep 17 08:09:17 hm, really there are no books on renderscript O.o Sep 17 08:10:41 Yeah, RS doesn't seem to be that popular... :/ Sep 17 08:11:20 ugh, the docs are terrible Sep 17 08:11:42 if i didn't know any better, i'd think most of android was the result of some highschool science project Sep 17 08:12:21 maybe this really is the best google can do. perhaps - not as awesome as i though Sep 17 08:12:23 *thought Sep 17 08:13:07 the renderscrit reference seems like a doxygen generated dump Sep 17 08:14:01 hi! is that possible to know that java class was already loaded? Sep 17 08:14:17 Why do you need that? Sounds like a design mistake... Sep 17 08:14:54 come on man, how is this pawsable Sep 17 08:15:22 let me show Sep 17 08:16:27 checking to see if a class was loaded isn't too shady ... logging frameworks do that to see if the provider is there, for example Sep 17 08:16:42 I tried drawBitmap too, but I really dont think its needed cause the docs say you dont do it unless you're not using Draw calls in onDraw callback where canvas is already provided Sep 17 08:20:03 god damn it, screenshots! come on! Sep 17 08:20:50 hi guys, not really a android question, but is it possible in eclipse to just add the value-XXX string.xml files to a git repo, like github? Sep 17 08:21:09 i want to make it easier for the people that help me with the translations to work on the files Sep 17 08:21:21 you can add absolutely any file to github Sep 17 08:22:13 oles__: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/ClassLoader.html#findLoadedClass%28java.lang.String%29 Sep 17 08:22:33 alright, here we go! Sep 17 08:22:39 here's how the drawings begin https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/Screenshot_2014-09-17-11-15-46.png Sep 17 08:22:43 dhamidi, thx Sep 17 08:22:45 Sicp, any tips on how to do that, the whole project is stored in a svn repo today, so preferably it should work together with that Sep 17 08:22:49 and here's when I move them! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/Screenshot_2014-09-17-11-15-52.png Sep 17 08:22:59 no, see #git Sep 17 08:23:10 you see the drawings clipped off? why! Sep 17 08:24:59 I tried to draw them at the same X of the middle circle, and then craftily moving them back to where I wanted them to be but this produced the same result Sep 17 08:25:31 *craftily* Sep 17 08:26:17 dhamidi, it is not a public method Sep 17 08:30:17 Hi Sep 17 08:30:26 How can I make a backup of stock recovery? Sep 17 08:30:37 Any ideas? Sep 17 08:34:46 oles__: https://gist.github.com/dhamidi/b611baeb1cc860e08880 Sep 17 08:40:19 How do you reprepare the options menu on fragment transaction? Sep 17 08:44:42 dhamidi, have you tested that code? Sep 17 08:47:30 no Sep 17 08:52:03 is SparseBooleanArray an Android specific thing but not java ? Sep 17 08:57:11 Yes. Sep 17 08:57:17 God studio is such a memory hog. Sep 17 08:57:41 Starts ok, but as I work it'll grow to ridiculous proportions Sep 17 08:58:05 God studio is still in development Sep 17 08:58:12 use Android Studio or Eclipse Sep 17 08:58:28 huh? I uses only like 1-1,5GB of RAM Sep 17 08:58:35 I meant android studio. There's a studio by itself? Sep 17 08:58:42 Was 4gigs here Sep 17 08:58:42 there's God studio Sep 17 08:59:04 Aha I meant God, android-studio Sep 17 08:59:14 oh Sep 17 08:59:26 Yeah ponctuation counts! Sep 17 08:59:37 o/ Sep 17 08:59:38 well I just revealed a secret project Sep 17 09:00:36 4GB is still ok Sep 17 09:00:38 Don't know if it's really secret, but never heard of it and can't seem to google it. Sep 17 09:00:51 hi, doessomebody happen to know wifi socs used in xperia P and xperia U, or else a way I could find out? Sep 17 09:01:26 ive been workign with 4gb ram with android studio and its absolute rubish Sep 17 09:01:30 basically Sep 17 09:01:35 Yes well I am starting to realize how fast 8 gigs can go. Sep 17 09:01:52 if i use chrome or rythmbox or whatever compile takes over 5 minutes Sep 17 09:01:54 and freezes Sep 17 09:01:58 haha Sep 17 09:02:01 I am doing something wrong with EventBus: http://pastie.org/9561234 onEvent methond calls several times, when I reopen activity, but should calls only once. Any reason? Sep 17 09:02:01 that is awful! Sep 17 09:02:05 ya Sep 17 09:02:13 my swap is usually at 2gb Sep 17 09:02:27 it helped when i moved to firefox Sep 17 09:02:34 and installed openjdk 7 Sep 17 09:02:39 its lighter than oracles Sep 17 09:02:45 Luckily for me I have permanent info on RAM available, so I can react in time if not too concentrated! Sep 17 09:03:49 mhm, I'm running 16G on all my machines now, the cost really outweights all the frustration Sep 17 09:04:50 I was planning on it for next rig, might not wait after all. Sep 17 09:05:41 Which is ridicolous by itself... People have been able to work on machines with a lot less RAM decades ago. Sure, they did less, but then it's also people choosing Node.js instead of something that compiles to native code... Sep 17 09:06:17 *ridiculous ^^ Sep 17 09:09:00 I was going to say those words Sep 17 09:09:05 but then I remembered who cares Sep 17 09:09:20 Sure and we didn't have phones then either, but you know, progress etc. Sep 17 09:09:44 not what he's saying Sep 17 09:09:54 Hey, I have an activity that contains a list of about 50 buttons(each with a background), but loading that activity takes about 1.5 seconds , I have seen apps with lots of buttons but faster , so how can I improve the performance/load time ? Sep 17 09:09:59 he's saying that devs nowadays disregard memory issue because "there's so much of it, who cares" Sep 17 09:10:01 I think Sep 17 09:10:14 at least on the desktop Sep 17 09:10:39 Oh ok. Indeed. Sep 17 09:11:26 Someone on HN compared it to old US cars, which were designed with 'fuel is cheap, engineer time is expensive' or something along the lines. Anything that is supposed to be used by a large userbase is worth quite some time on the engineering side. Not saying Jetbrains does a bad job, their products are amazing, it's just the general notion, see Atom. Sep 17 09:11:28 but then you get those users who do not have 145,0000,000GB of ram Sep 17 09:12:12 yea totally valid Sep 17 09:12:35 I mean... I have 8G of RAM on my two-year-old laptop, so I only run into problems when simultaneously compiling stuff like LLVM and some Android app, but... Sep 17 09:14:49 little proof is that everybody touts C for being so memory efficient, and C is so old Sep 17 09:16:00 more languages would do that if the devs cared about being memory efficient, just like any other feature they implement in the language Sep 17 09:16:19 its not like a black art that only C knew how to do Sep 17 09:17:28 Well, in some places it is. Try optimizing for cache performance/data locality in Python... Sep 17 09:17:56 Or in Java for that matter. Basically, and all-heap language. Sep 17 09:17:58 *any Sep 17 09:18:15 (Yeah, primitives, but... no.) Sep 17 09:19:15 Not saying the productivity gains aren't worth it in many occasions. :) Sep 17 09:19:24 I'm talking about the design phase, before Java was created, to have efficiency on the list of things it needs to be Sep 17 09:19:36 they could've worked to make it do what C does Sep 17 09:19:40 but didnt Sep 17 09:20:28 Hey there. I wrote an activity which registeres itself as a Launcher. This activity starts a new activity with startActivity(..); in the onCreate() - but this somehow blocks the BOOT_COMPLETED intent from being sent, system wide. Any idea why? Sep 17 09:20:36 Well, that simplifies the mental and computational model in favor of productivity (as long as you don't have to optimize stuff), which is a valid thing to do imo. ^^ Sep 17 09:21:19 Java (Hotspot) is still insanely fast... so they did a good job. Sep 17 09:22:11 anyone knows the answer to this https://github.com/greenrobot/EventBus/issues/116 ? Sep 17 09:29:36 I come from a C background and am astonished by how much memory other languages use. My school made it very important that we control memory and have no leaks what so ever. Sep 17 09:30:05 memory leaks and memory usage are two different things Sep 17 09:30:17 using 8GB of RAM so you can cache stuff you would have to load form a slow external storage is NOT a memory leak Sep 17 09:30:36 flan3002, you're just forgetting how SLOW old computers were back then. Sep 17 09:30:45