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Oct 12 03:05:13 <DammitJim> TheUnkn0wn0ne, is it WifiManager.WIFI_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION or WifiManager.NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION ?
Oct 12 03:08:16 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> DammitJim: From the docs, WIFI_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION indicates wifi has been enabled, disabled, enabling, or disabling. NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION indicates the state of the Wifi connectivity has been changed
Oct 12 03:08:50 <DammitJim> confusing how they defined it. Thanks!
Oct 12 03:09:08 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> Anytime
Oct 12 03:09:28 * JacobTabak high fives TheUnkn0wn0ne 
Oct 12 03:09:59 * TheUnkn0wn0ne high fives JacobTabak
Oct 12 03:14:17 <hephaestus_rg> ok i figured it out JacobTabak http://paste.ubuntu.com/8543295/
Oct 12 03:14:27 <hephaestus_rg> thank you for the help
Oct 12 03:19:24 <hephaestus_rg> if i want to use this instead of the normal http client
Oct 12 03:19:24 <hephaestus_rg> https://hc.apache.org/httpcomponents-client-4.3.x/android-port.html
Oct 12 03:20:08 <hephaestus_rg> what should i be `importing` in  my .java files
Oct 12 03:20:24 <hephaestus_rg> import org.apache.http.*; points to the ones in android.jar
Oct 12 03:20:58 <Agamemnus> DammitJim: nice name
Oct 12 03:21:05 <DammitJim> ty Agamemnus
Oct 12 03:21:33 <StingRay_> hephaestus_rg org.apache.httpcomponents.* ?
Oct 12 03:22:06 <StingRay_> hephaestus_rg sure that autocomplete is going to help you with that :)
Oct 12 03:22:15 <hephaestus_rg> it complains about "cannot resolve symbol"
Oct 12 03:23:17 <hephaestus_rg> http://imgur.com/lVVJ5pT
Oct 12 03:27:00 <hephaestus_rg> i'm trying to use a version of org.apache.http that i downloaded instead of the default one
Oct 12 03:27:12 <hephaestus_rg> not sure how to specify which one i want
Oct 12 03:29:18 <QubeZ> Not sure whether to go back to my Unity game project or Glass/Drone project.
Oct 12 03:32:09 <StingRay_> unity
Oct 12 03:32:13 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 12 03:32:27 <QubeZ> heh
Oct 12 03:32:28 <StingRay_> actually, I'm bias ...
Oct 12 03:32:46 <QubeZ> I'm re-creating a game like Twisted System mini-game from Fusion Frenzy
Oct 12 03:32:50 <StingRay_> but yeah, always games, given me a good life…up till the point I decided to try android programming :)
Oct 12 03:32:51 <QubeZ> but it of course has some twists
Oct 12 03:33:11 <QubeZ> StingRay_: game programming?
Oct 12 03:33:19 <StingRay_> no, games/td/artist
Oct 12 03:33:30 <StingRay_> well 3d/td/artist
Oct 12 03:33:37 <QubeZ> ahh
Oct 12 03:33:49 <StingRay_> worked lots with engine programmers etc
Oct 12 03:33:58 <StingRay_> and tool chains etc
Oct 12 03:37:36 <QubeZ> problem with game dev for indie developer is trying to do the graphics stuff
Oct 12 03:37:47 <QubeZ> im thinking just to buy the stuff from unity asset store but it gets expensive
Oct 12 03:38:07 <QubeZ> i've got most of the logic written for my game using placeholder objects... just stuck there now
Oct 12 03:38:48 <StingRay_> QubeZ well I've done artwork for big console games and films ;)
Oct 12 03:38:53 <g00s> keeps getting worse and worse i guess http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2izl2z/every_dev_should_read_this_before_investing/
Oct 12 03:39:04 <g00s> so if you have multiple apps, they don't say which one is infringing ?
Oct 12 03:39:13 <QubeZ> StingRay_: can I see some example of your work?
Oct 12 03:39:59 <StingRay_> I dont really have a portfolio site no more since I started doing this and even before I was an autodesk instructor for 5 years… so maybe 7 years since had a porfolio now
Oct 12 03:40:46 <StingRay_> QubeZ but was a joke, not really interested atm :)
Oct 12 03:41:09 <QubeZ> StingRay_: im not looking to hire you... I just wanted to see your work
Oct 12 03:42:18 <StingRay_> oh, erm, god, most of my work is in print,games,films … so I suppose I can point to games like battlefield etc, and say, I did that…but my job was more fixing other peoples f*ckups
Oct 12 03:42:37 <QubeZ> sounds good
Oct 12 03:42:41 <StingRay_> ha, I did ofter take items of work I wanted to do away from the team though
Oct 12 03:42:51 <StingRay_> like the seark stinger
Oct 12 03:43:04 <StingRay_> loved that boat :)
Oct 12 03:43:19 <Agamemnus> g00s: when I played Runescape, and it had a monopoly on 2.5D MMOs, shit like that happened every hour.
Oct 12 03:43:53 <Agamemnus> well, cartoonish 2.5D MMOs
Oct 12 03:45:53 * StingRay_ has the distinction of working on the lowest selling ps1 title of all time I think :)
Oct 12 03:46:01 <StingRay_> \o/
Oct 12 04:49:46 <Agamemnus> Is anyone still around?
Oct 12 04:50:02 <Agamemnus> I need some non-horrific mechanism for getting my game passed along to friends
Oct 12 04:52:44 <funkbox> buy everyone a nexus 7 and ship it to them
Oct 12 04:53:00 <Agamemnus> I have an idea
Oct 12 04:53:11 <Agamemnus> do people not use email anymore, by the way?
Oct 12 04:53:26 <Agamemnus> it seems if I email random people, they usually don't email me back
Oct 12 04:53:31 <Agamemnus> even people I know
Oct 12 04:53:48 <SilentByte> I do
Oct 12 04:53:55 <Agamemnus> I was thinking, a way for users to send the jigsaw game to their friends and offer them to beat the time.
Oct 12 04:54:05 <Agamemnus> my server sends the email
Oct 12 04:54:10 <SilentByte> I mean email is one of the perks of having a smartphone...
Oct 12 04:54:29 <Agamemnus> there IS facebook integration I could consider
Oct 12 04:54:33 <Agamemnus> and other shit like that
Oct 12 04:54:36 <Agamemnus> But meh
Oct 12 04:55:20 <SilentByte> Send your game to me :)
Oct 12 04:58:06 <StingRay_> Agamemnus fb seems the obvious thing
Oct 12 04:58:27 <StingRay_> not a fan of facebook, but for most games seems to be a high priority
Oct 12 04:58:41 <StingRay_> least in a share + challenge way
Oct 12 05:15:42 <QubeZ> Agamemnus: you sure these people that dont respond to your emails like you?
Oct 12 05:15:51 <QubeZ> maybe they're trying to tell you something
Oct 12 05:15:53 <Agamemnus> iunno
Oct 12 05:16:19 <QubeZ> just kidding man.... who knows, people dont have the corporate mentality for emails in their personal life
Oct 12 05:16:53 <Agamemnus> I was talking to a company that solid rights to art
Oct 12 05:16:53 <QubeZ> they're not looking at emails as an important form of communication -- like say, social media would be
Oct 12 05:17:02 <Agamemnus> and the guy keeps ignoring me
Oct 12 05:17:07 <Agamemnus> I have to keep emailing him
Oct 12 05:17:11 <Agamemnus> my contact at the company.
Oct 12 05:17:11 <QubeZ> so I'd concur, as much as I'm not a fan of FB either... go to where the people are
Oct 12 05:17:31 <Agamemnus> So I mean, email seems outdated for some people I guess. Even for corporate things
Oct 12 05:19:19 <g00s> i guess we should see L in the next few weeks ?
Oct 12 05:19:47 <g00s> i can't wait, if only because it won't be called L anymore, which is ungoogleable
Oct 12 05:19:54 <QubeZ> or if you're a Verizon customer like me... in another 120 days, if I'm lucky
Oct 12 05:20:15 * g00s is not a verizon customer XD
Oct 12 05:20:30 <g00s> those fuckers screwed me over, no way i'd ever use them again
Oct 12 05:20:42 <QubeZ> I used to root and put the latest ROMs but now my company wont allow corp software on rooted phones
Oct 12 05:24:32 <g00s> QubeZ still working on todomapr ?
Oct 12 05:26:30 <Agamemnus> ok
Oct 12 05:26:33 <Agamemnus> so here's my idea
Oct 12 05:26:39 <Agamemnus> for every one email you send
Oct 12 05:26:46 <Agamemnus> you get a free puzzle to play
Oct 12 05:26:51 <QubeZ> g00s: yes, put out a new build last night for point click destination
Oct 12 05:27:19 <g00s> oh yes,  i see
Oct 12 05:27:23 <QubeZ> now working on designing the UI to use navigation drawer for the selection and put the tasks on the main dashboard activity so no more of those cartoonish icons
Oct 12 05:27:24 <Agamemnus> oh by the way
Oct 12 05:27:40 <Agamemnus> any of you guys every implement the server validation mechanism of google play?
Oct 12 05:27:49 <QubeZ> but wrapped up in this unity project too so I may let the to do mapr build I put out last night bake for a bit
Oct 12 05:27:52 <Agamemnus> because I can't figure it out, at all
Oct 12 05:28:17 <QubeZ> decided to go ad-supported with in app billing -- sold 15 or so copies in the last few weeks
Oct 12 05:28:35 <Agamemnus> Did you do server validation?
Oct 12 05:28:42 <Agamemnus> Or just phone self-validation?
Oct 12 05:28:47 <QubeZ> south africa, israel, uk, US etc.. pretty neat.  Nothing to quit my day job.
Oct 12 05:29:03 <StingRay_> QubeZ what app ?
Oct 12 05:29:08 <QubeZ> To Do Mapr
Oct 12 05:30:43 <g00s> QubeZ i see you put it on amazon too
Oct 12 05:30:54 <g00s> how did you manage the maps / geo stuff across platforms ?
Oct 12 05:31:12 <g00s> i'm seriously thinking about releasing for amazon also
Oct 12 05:31:13 <QubeZ> not the latest build -- I've been getting lazy doing the amazon side
Oct 12 05:31:56 <Agamemnus> QubeZ: Is it server validation?
Oct 12 05:31:59 <Agamemnus> If so, any tips?
Oct 12 05:32:00 <g00s> yeah, gotta get rid of that 6 pack man ! thats so froyo :D
Oct 12 05:32:23 <QubeZ> g00s: I know, you keep reminding me :)
Oct 12 05:32:30 <QubeZ> I am.. going to use a nav drawer for the next build
Oct 12 05:32:34 <QubeZ> but I want to finish this game first
Oct 12 05:32:49 <Agamemnus> Testing
Oct 12 05:32:59 <QubeZ> g00s: been awhile since I built it for Amazon but I dont remember having to mess with the maps stuff much.
Oct 12 05:33:15 <QubeZ> Agamemnus: what do you mean is it server validation?
Oct 12 05:33:23 <Agamemnus> How do you validate the IAP?
Oct 12 05:33:40 <QubeZ> Through Google Play Services
Oct 12 05:33:46 <QubeZ> just like normal
Oct 12 05:34:11 <Agamemnus> I see.
Oct 12 05:34:19 <Agamemnus> But your server actually serves the content.
Oct 12 05:34:37 <QubeZ> It's only removal of ads so there is no content to serve
Oct 12 05:34:46 <QubeZ> it either has ads or doesn't based on the purchase
Oct 12 05:34:49 <Agamemnus> Aha, ok
Oct 12 05:35:05 <Agamemnus> I suppose that itself can be hacked either way
Oct 12 05:35:16 <StingRay_> Agamemnus I seriously think that for the number of users you are dealing with… this should not be a concern atm
Oct 12 05:35:20 <Agamemnus> I just need a good tutorial on actual server validation (like paypal)
Oct 12 05:35:26 <StingRay_> when you get to 500k then yeah
Oct 12 05:35:26 <QubeZ> but in that case, why would you want to server validate?  You just need to check Google Play that they bought your "content" then once you gpot a yes from Google you can serve them content.
Oct 12 05:35:30 <QubeZ> no need to validate anything on your server
Oct 12 05:35:37 <Agamemnus> QubeZ: yes
Oct 12 05:35:45 <Agamemnus> But how do I ask Google Play about that?
Oct 12 05:35:48 <Agamemnus> From the server?
Oct 12 05:35:52 <Agamemnus> From my server.
Oct 12 05:36:01 <QubeZ> you dont, you do it from the app dude
Oct 12 05:36:04 <QubeZ> or game
Oct 12 05:36:10 <Agamemnus> But that's not secure
Oct 12 05:36:17 <QubeZ> what?
Oct 12 05:36:39 <Agamemnus> Let's say you were buying diamonds
Oct 12 05:36:46 <QubeZ> game / app launches -> query Play Services for a list of content the user has puchased -> serve them content
Oct 12 05:36:56 <Agamemnus> Your phone tells the server where to ship the diamonds.
Oct 12 05:37:13 <Agamemnus> You buy the diamonds with the app.
Oct 12 05:37:34 <Agamemnus> The app tells Google Play about it. Google Play runs a bit and then tells your app that you sent the cash.
Oct 12 05:37:47 <Agamemnus> Then your app calls your server to send the message about where to send them.
Oct 12 05:37:58 <Agamemnus> But... that can be HACKED.
Oct 12 05:38:00 <QubeZ> you're making this very complicated
Oct 12 05:38:05 <Agamemnus> You can just skip to the last part.
Oct 12 05:38:10 <Agamemnus> and voila, free diamonds.
Oct 12 05:38:41 <Agamemnus> If you've ever implemented Paypal, they have a mechanism for server-side validation.
Oct 12 05:38:53 <QubeZ> I guess I dont understand what you're trying to do
Oct 12 05:38:55 <Agamemnus> Paypal sends your server data about a purchase.
Oct 12 05:39:10 <StingRay_> QubeZ no you do
Oct 12 05:39:14 <Agamemnus> I don't want the user's phone to send requests for unpurchased data.
Oct 12 05:39:27 <StingRay_> just Agamemnus has an app that serves diamonds
Oct 12 05:39:30 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 12 05:39:34 <QubeZ> are you selling content from your app that you want to skip the Google Play purchase process and use PayPal to avoid the 30% or what?
Oct 12 05:39:45 <Agamemnus> I'm using Paypal as ane xample
Oct 12 05:39:49 <Agamemnus> an example.
Oct 12 05:39:59 <QubeZ> lol wtf ya diamond analogy... dude, I'm not 10 years old.  You can just give me the real scenario.
Oct 12 05:40:05 <Agamemnus> The app can be hacked to send the diamond server a request
Oct 12 05:40:07 <Agamemnus> Ok, fine
Oct 12 05:40:18 <Agamemnus> Well, it's images in a jigsaw game
Oct 12 05:40:35 <QubeZ> StingRay_: I took your advice, I'm in Unity working on my game:  Ball 'n Walls
Oct 12 05:40:36 <Agamemnus> I don't want people sending requests to the server saying is_premium=1
Oct 12 05:40:40 <QubeZ> Balls 'n Walls
Oct 12 05:41:00 <StingRay_> QubeZ nice… :)  but remember my bias ;)
Oct 12 05:41:17 <QubeZ> lik StingRay_ said... you're over-complicating this given your non-existent user base
Oct 12 05:41:25 <Agamemnus> I know
Oct 12 05:41:30 <Agamemnus> But, it feels wrong.
Oct 12 05:41:54 <StingRay_> Agamemnus from a production sense your effort and direction feels wrong given the circumstance
Oct 12 05:42:08 <StingRay_> 500k and you have 20 people stealing… start to think about it
Oct 12 05:42:17 <Agamemnus> I just don't understand why there isn't any information about how to do this
Oct 12 05:42:22 <StingRay_> 1million and 2k are stealing, start looking into it
Oct 12 05:42:31 <StingRay_> 20 mil… implement something
Oct 12 05:42:35 <Agamemnus> It's on principle.
Oct 12 05:43:00 <Agamemnus> My code is important to me.
Oct 12 05:43:14 <StingRay_> you are going to put more effort into this for 0.1% of your userbase than making it acually a good game for the rest
Oct 12 05:43:26 <StingRay_> not worth it …maybe not ever… but 100% not now!
Oct 12 05:43:27 <QubeZ> +1 on that
Oct 12 05:43:38 <Agamemnus> I'm sure it's not that hard, but I just need to find good information.
Oct 12 05:43:52 <Agamemnus> I found some old stack overflow posts, but they were extremely vague.
Oct 12 05:44:02 <Agamemnus> let's see if they responded.
Oct 12 05:44:20 <Agamemnus> I mean, I am sure that a large number of paypal based systems are hackable
Oct 12 05:44:30 <Agamemnus> Amazon actually had the same problem.
Oct 12 05:44:34 <Agamemnus> It's disgraceful
Oct 12 05:44:49 <Agamemnus> They had millions to start and couldn't do it right away.
Oct 12 05:44:59 <Agamemnus> Not that I'm amazon.
Oct 12 05:45:21 <Darklust> Agamemnus confirmed to be Amazon irl
Oct 12 05:45:23 <Agamemnus> But I'm just saying that the missing server validation mechanism is extremely widespread, and it makes me uneasy.
Oct 12 05:45:48 <StingRay_> Agamemnus cool but dont alter the utter pointless nature of your concern given your standing
Oct 12 05:46:16 <StingRay_> if you get to a point where you should worry… I will congratulate you cause the game has made it !! !!
Oct 12 05:47:19 <g00s> yeah get some downloads first :)
Oct 12 05:47:36 <QubeZ> Agamemnus: whats the Play link to your game?
Oct 12 05:47:44 <adesst> help please, i just set my target project to android-17, Is android-17 runable on Android 4.0. The reason i switch to 17 is because the JavascriptInterface
Oct 12 05:48:03 <g00s> adesst target should be 19, soon 20
Oct 12 05:48:40 <g00s> oh, if you need that interface, minSdk = 17 then
Oct 12 05:48:43 <g00s> heh
Oct 12 05:49:41 <Agamemnus> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flyingsoft.safari.jigsaw.free
Oct 12 05:49:55 <adesst> g00s: thanks
Oct 12 05:50:05 <Agamemnus> adesst: target and min version are different.
Oct 12 05:50:23 <Agamemnus> 17 isn't 4
Oct 12 05:50:23 <adesst> it works and had tried to run it on emulator and works
Oct 12 05:50:25 <Agamemnus> 14 is 4
Oct 12 05:50:32 <adesst> yes 17 is 4.2.2
Oct 12 05:50:57 <Agamemnus> so you can't assume that 17 works on 4
Oct 12 05:51:32 <adesst> Agamemnus: i assumed that 17 is a superset
Oct 12 05:51:34 <Agamemnus> I dunno much about this.. I just set the min version to 14 and max to 19
Oct 12 05:51:40 <Agamemnus> er, target to 19.
Oct 12 06:00:36 <g00s> i'm seriously considering groovy for some parts of my android app
Oct 12 06:00:52 <g00s> good presentation here http://glaforge.appspot.com/
Oct 12 06:01:25 <g00s> maybe eve a DSL for some configuration stuff that /could/ be in xml ...
Oct 12 06:02:52 <Agamemnus> Hmm
Oct 12 06:02:57 <Agamemnus> Random question.
Oct 12 06:03:04 <Agamemnus> I already know the answer
Oct 12 06:03:19 <Agamemnus> I'm recording device UUIDs. Sometimes they have dashes ("-").
Oct 12 06:03:29 <Agamemnus> I guess I should just filter those out?
Oct 12 06:03:38 <Agamemnus> No point in recording the dashes, right?
Oct 12 06:03:56 <CanYouFTLTN> hi room, I’m thinking about making a tool
Oct 12 06:04:21 <CanYouFTLTN> does this sound useful: a tool that detects merge conflicts in ~realtime and alerts you
Oct 12 06:04:27 <Agamemnus> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4122.txt oh god
Oct 12 06:04:58 <Agamemnus> not for anyone here except maybe like 1 person.
Oct 12 06:05:18 <g00s> oh waitm to use groovy i have to use their own build plugin instead of the google one, gah
Oct 12 06:05:28 <Agamemnus> that would be useful for big companies or teams
Oct 12 06:05:46 <CanYouFTLTN> I work on an android dev team
Oct 12 06:06:15 <CanYouFTLTN> I think it’d be useful to start conversations on overlapping code
Oct 12 06:06:24 <Agamemnus> Sure, sure.
Oct 12 06:06:29 <CanYouFTLTN> and maybe prevent redundant work
Oct 12 06:06:56 <Agamemnus> If it seems to happen a lot, yes.
Oct 12 06:07:11 <Agamemnus> The other way to do it would be to reorganize how your team operates
Oct 12 06:07:35 <CanYouFTLTN> we do have a good tool (PivotalTracker) to manage task assignment
Oct 12 06:08:21 <CanYouFTLTN> which should prevent overlap, but if we’re not diligent enough in defining stories and keeping it up to date things can fall through the cracks
Oct 12 06:18:55 <lasserix> Is making an adapter a non-static inner class a bad idea/
Oct 12 06:19:57 <CanYouFTLTN> from what i’ve read you want to try and default to static
Oct 12 06:20:25 <CanYouFTLTN> can you feed what you’re trying to access outside the class to the adapter on contstruction
Oct 12 06:20:40 <lasserix> yeah
Oct 12 06:20:48 <lasserix> but i figured if the class is only living during the activity life cycle
Oct 12 06:20:55 <lasserix> why not just make it non-static for convience?
Oct 12 06:21:24 <CanYouFTLTN> I think the reasoning is that just in case you move it out later, it’s easier
Oct 12 06:21:32 <lasserix> ie I am extending linearlayout or something that will contain a viewpager
Oct 12 06:21:37 <CanYouFTLTN> I typically default to static and go non-static for convenience reasons
Oct 12 06:21:42 <lasserix> can't i just make the adapter a non-static inner class in this view?
Oct 12 06:21:54 <lasserix> *in this class
Oct 12 06:22:06 <CanYouFTLTN> well I wouldn’t recommend having an adapter in a view class
Oct 12 06:22:15 <CanYouFTLTN> they belong in the controller
Oct 12 06:22:28 <lasserix> yeah yeah
Oct 12 06:22:35 <lasserix> the adapter is the controller
Oct 12 06:22:40 <lasserix> but these are compact classes
Oct 12 06:22:44 <lasserix> so i can blend them here
Oct 12 06:22:56 <Agamemnus> is it possible to ask google play for a list of device uuids of your users?
Oct 12 06:23:16 <StingRay_> uuid of what ?
Oct 12 06:23:20 <Agamemnus> phones
Oct 12 06:23:29 <Agamemnus> devices
Oct 12 06:23:40 <StingRay_> uuid referenced/generated from what ??????
Oct 12 06:23:41 <CanYouFTLTN> lasserix, I make the decision to go non-static if I’m really using a lot of the containing classes variables and methods
Oct 12 06:23:43 <Agamemnus> of a specific app
Oct 12 06:23:49 <Agamemnus> the phone man
Oct 12 06:23:56 <StingRay_> there is no uuid of a phone
Oct 12 06:23:59 <Agamemnus> :(
Oct 12 06:24:01 <StingRay_> so no
Oct 12 06:24:04 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 12 06:25:32 <Agamemnus> http://plugins.cordova.io/#/package/org.apache.cordova.device
Oct 12 06:25:39 <Agamemnus> "The details of how a UUID is generated are determined by the device manufacturer and are specific to the device's platform or model."
Oct 12 06:25:46 <Agamemnus> i dunno man. that.
Oct 12 06:26:29 <Agamemnus> so the basic problem is. I know the uuid when a user runs, but not when they install
Oct 12 06:26:46 <Agamemnus> leakage
Oct 12 06:27:19 <Darklust> Agamemnus: Do you want to blacklist them?
Oct 12 06:27:57 <Agamemnus> no, I want to record them
Oct 12 06:28:21 <CanYouFTLTN> Agamemnus and StingRay
Oct 12 06:28:27 <CanYouFTLTN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twmuBbC_oB8&t=15m0s addresses the UUID issue
Oct 12 06:29:00 <CanYouFTLTN> basically the argument is to track the installation, not the device
Oct 12 06:29:54 <CanYouFTLTN> the danger of identifying by device is what if the user sells the device and the next user uses your app
Oct 12 06:30:03 <CanYouFTLTN> security issue
Oct 12 06:30:15 <StingRay_> CanYouFTLTN not relevant to me… I do it properly with accounts
Oct 12 06:30:29 <Leeds> Agamemnus: I suspect part of the problem is that you're trying to track a cordova UUID, which isn't an Android thing
Oct 12 06:30:50 <Agamemnus> it's not a cordova uuid per se
Oct 12 06:31:02 <Agamemnus> ok let me think about this
Oct 12 06:31:20 <Agamemnus> the reason I am tracking uuids is two reasons
Oct 12 06:31:40 <Agamemnus> first, I am trying to track user behavior
Oct 12 06:31:53 <Agamemnus> well that breaks if they uninstall and reinstall, but that's not common anyway
Oct 12 06:32:22 <Agamemnus> second.. yes, i want to save their settings
Oct 12 06:32:31 <Agamemnus> some of them.
Oct 12 06:32:50 <StingRay_> Agamemnus same them to sd/storage or to cloud
Oct 12 06:32:57 <StingRay_> thats what I do
Oct 12 06:33:04 <Agamemnus> so generate a uuid when they first run it.
Oct 12 06:33:21 <Agamemnus> but you can't run any code on install, can you?
Oct 12 06:33:35 <StingRay_> no, but on 1st run I can
Oct 12 06:33:50 <CanYouFTLTN> you could set a flag in shared preferences and only execute if it’s not there
Oct 12 06:34:02 <StingRay_> so I give options to restore settings/accounts etc
Oct 12 06:34:05 <CanYouFTLTN> execute the code once, then set the flag
Oct 12 06:34:48 <Agamemnus> all right
Oct 12 06:34:56 <Agamemnus> I can generate a unique uuid with localStorage
Oct 12 06:35:17 <Agamemnus> and save with*
Oct 12 06:35:28 <StingRay_> whats with the uuid ? thought you looked at links/info and know it's a bad idea
Oct 12 06:35:37 <Agamemnus> errrrr
Oct 12 06:35:52 <Agamemnus> a unique id maybe
Oct 12 06:36:02 <StingRay_> settings/prefs if you want to persist beyond installs ..use account/cloud
Oct 12 06:36:14 <Agamemnus> it isn't a bad idea
Oct 12 06:36:35 <Agamemnus> not a generated uuid by the phone
Oct 12 06:36:57 <Agamemnus> account/cloud
Oct 12 06:37:10 <Agamemnus> this is again getting into java and google doc nightmares
Oct 12 06:37:14 <StingRay_> google drive is a very convenient/easy way
Oct 12 06:37:25 <StingRay_> Agamemnus this is android dev…it is what it is
Oct 12 06:37:38 <Leeds> OH NO JAVA!
Oct 12 06:37:46 <g00s> its not java
Oct 12 06:37:57 <StingRay_> dammit… i now got the urge for more coffee
Oct 12 06:38:04 * StingRay_ goes for coffee
Oct 12 06:38:15 <Agamemnus> so i wonder the best way to approach this
Oct 12 06:38:26 <Agamemnus> a uuid is quick and easy
Oct 12 06:38:37 <Agamemnus> like from the cordova plugin
Oct 12 06:39:14 <Agamemnus> so now what I am thinking of doing is giving users free puzzles if they email their friends
Oct 12 06:39:32 <Agamemnus> i need to store the puzzles they pick somehow
Oct 12 06:39:53 <Agamemnus> should i make this an in app purchase thing for $0?
Oct 12 06:40:08 <Agamemnus> :|
Oct 12 06:40:22 <g00s> you cant i think min is 0.99
Oct 12 06:40:26 <Darklust> o_o
Oct 12 06:40:38 <Agamemnus> i already know exactly how to do this with phone uuids
Oct 12 06:40:43 <lasserix> Does enhanced for each loop iterate monotonically?
Oct 12 06:40:48 <Agamemnus> so i can make it a google cloud setting thing
Oct 12 06:41:52 <lasserix> or is the iterator ?
Oct 12 06:43:15 <g00s> Leeds http://www.volexity.com/blog/?p=33
Oct 12 06:45:03 <Leeds> lovely...
Oct 12 06:45:19 <Agamemnus> Yes, the minimum is 99 cents
Oct 12 06:45:31 <gordon_> cordova...
Oct 12 06:46:08 <Agamemnus> So I know how to set up all the pieces right now, already.
Oct 12 06:46:14 <g00s> i think our topic should say no cordova :D
Oct 12 06:46:17 <Agamemnus> Since the transaction isn't monetary
Oct 12 06:46:39 <gordon_> you reminded me how someone used it to display products from shop
Oct 12 06:46:43 <gordon_> it was so slow
Oct 12 06:47:03 <Agamemnus> :|...
Oct 12 06:47:33 <Agamemnus> I think I'm going to give up
Oct 12 06:47:38 <gordon_> that I decided that I will never install cordova app again
Oct 12 06:47:40 <gordon_> NEVER
Oct 12 06:48:02 <Leeds> g00s: we've got a nice subtropical getaway planned for next week... can see our hotel here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jjLe5wIcDI#t=25
Oct 12 06:48:28 <Agamemnus> gordon_
Oct 12 06:48:36 <Agamemnus> This isn't Cordova's fault, but Google's.
Oct 12 06:48:44 <Agamemnus> Try it again after the Android L release.
Oct 12 06:49:34 <Agamemnus> Ok.
Oct 12 06:49:37 <Agamemnus> So it's settled
Oct 12 06:49:46 <Agamemnus> Remove ads -- $1.50
Oct 12 06:49:58 <Agamemnus> Complete set of animals -- $2.00
Oct 12 06:50:21 <Agamemnus> Email your friends to get 2 free puzzles per email:
Oct 12 06:50:24 <Agamemnus> priceless.
Oct 12 06:50:42 <Agamemnus> (TM)
Oct 12 06:51:20 <gordon_> Agamemnus: how is it google
Oct 12 06:51:20 <Agamemnus> This is going to be great..
Oct 12 06:51:24 <gordon_> s fault
Oct 12 06:51:37 <Leeds> yay, spam your friends for pizzles :)
Oct 12 06:51:38 <Agamemnus> They're largely in charge of Chromium.
Oct 12 06:51:47 <Leeds> er, puzles
Oct 12 06:51:51 <Leeds> argh, puzzles!
Oct 12 06:51:56 <g00s> Agamemnus please stop spamming the channel with your brainfarts
Oct 12 06:52:09 <g00s> we don't care about cordova, or shit built with cordova
Oct 12 06:52:10 <Agamemnus> Lol.
Oct 12 06:52:59 <Leeds> right, goal for this week, assuming I don't have any real work to do: materialise my current work app, for no particular reason
Oct 12 06:52:59 <Agamemnus> That was very mean.
Oct 12 06:53:05 <g00s> stop it !
Oct 12 06:53:06 <Agamemnus> g00s: Stop being mean to me. Jerk.
Oct 12 06:53:27 <Agamemnus> He asked me
Oct 12 06:53:39 <Leeds> i.e. make it look as much like the new Play Store app as possible :)
Oct 12 06:56:44 <g00s> Leeds would have been great if you were in the video sipping a drink on a pool chair
Oct 12 06:57:22 <Leeds> not going to be there until Saturday :)
Oct 12 06:57:36 <g00s> or going down the damn overflow in a rubber duck inflatable
Oct 12 06:57:50 <g00s> move it up !
Oct 12 07:01:13 <Leeds> and something to offset your meanness... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8AggJ3_Xf0
Oct 12 07:08:04 <g00s> oh no Leeds , you should set them straight http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2iyt0y/vim_and_android/
Oct 12 07:09:06 <Leeds> eh, I don't reddit :)
Oct 12 07:09:15 <g00s> i dont have an account either
Oct 12 07:09:33 <g00s> put i read that subreddit since its like consolidated android news :)
Oct 12 07:11:48 <kiki67100> Hello everybody
Oct 12 07:12:00 <Leeds> probably a good idea...
Oct 12 07:12:38 <Leeds> time to brave the mean, protest-ridden streets of Hong Kong and go buy food, make vitamin D, see 3D people, etc.
Oct 12 07:12:49 <kiki67100> I  use BroadcastReceiver to catch SMS, i take picture when contains a text, i would like to know how I can create a kind of "Queu manager" to handle each TakePicture action ?
Oct 12 07:12:57 <kiki67100> Sorry for my english, i'm french
Oct 12 07:14:02 <kiki67100> I must use queu because the camera open / jpeg callback save / sendMMS / takes time
Oct 12 07:14:41 <gregtom6> hy all
Oct 12 07:14:57 <gregtom6> how can I turn on and off the NFC from API?
Oct 12 07:15:36 <gregtom6> I have found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6509316/how-can-i-enable-nfc-reader-via-api but I think it's outdated, and they don't say that is perfectly working or not
Oct 12 07:15:49 <Leeds> (note, the streets are very unmean, the protest areas are friendly, and a lot of people have welcomed the lack of pollution and community spirit from claiming some roads for the people)
Oct 12 07:16:43 <lasserix> Oh cool you can totally do UI stuff off the main thread as long as the UI stuff is not attached to the view hierarchy
Oct 12 07:18:09 <g00s> lasserix is living on the edge
Oct 12 07:18:24 <lasserix> heh
Oct 12 07:19:36 <g00s> lasserix is that a common technique ?
Oct 12 07:20:01 <lasserix> well i have like two dozen linear layouts that contain some compound views
Oct 12 07:20:13 <lasserix> they're all the same but the person wants to use a viewpager to swipe between sets of 3 of them
Oct 12 07:20:26 <lasserix> so after i get the user input, i generate them all and pass them to the pager adapte
Oct 12 07:20:42 <lasserix> probably i should just pass the state and let the pager adapter construct the views
Oct 12 07:20:43 <absk007> why does my /data dir gets full if connected to internet?
Oct 12 07:20:58 <absk007> Motorola Fire XT530
Oct 12 07:21:11 <absk007> Android 2.3.5
Oct 12 07:21:36 <g00s> absk007 please read topic
Oct 12 07:21:51 <absk007> g00s, oops! so where to?
Oct 12 07:22:18 <g00s> i dunno. motorola customer support ?
Oct 12 07:22:34 <lasserix> #android maybe
Oct 12 07:22:53 <Agamemnus> it doesn't get full
Oct 12 07:22:59 <gregtom6> somebody?
Oct 12 07:24:00 <Agamemnus> gregtom6: no idea, but try asking a follow-up question in the comments to the answer
Oct 12 07:25:11 <gregtom6> Agamemnus: what do you mean "follow-up" question?
Oct 12 07:26:33 <Agamemnus> On StackOverflow.
Oct 12 07:27:00 <Agamemnus> Ask the person who answered
Oct 12 07:27:07 <Agamemnus> In the comments.
Oct 12 07:29:53 <lasserix> g00s it takes like 300 ms on my slowest phone so if i just throw it into a bg thread and play some animation for the transition should be perfect
Oct 12 07:29:57 <lasserix> hence my motivation
Oct 12 07:30:23 <g00s> yeah, i'm just wondering if thats legit
Oct 12 07:30:28 <lasserix> hehe
Oct 12 07:30:30 <lasserix> why not?
Oct 12 07:30:31 <gregtom6> Agamemnus: it would be faster if you would tell me what is the actual state now
Oct 12 07:30:40 <lasserix> i am not technically modifying the UI, just preparing it
Oct 12 07:30:42 <gregtom6> but maybe I will ask that
Oct 12 07:30:46 <g00s> lasserix i dunno! thats why i asked if its a known technique
Oct 12 07:30:56 <g00s> or if it 'seems to work'
Oct 12 07:34:07 <lasserix> why does i always lose electric tapewhen i need it argh
Oct 12 07:38:12 <cliffreich> humm
Oct 12 07:38:16 <cliffreich> anyone here uses retrofit
Oct 12 07:40:37 <JakeWharton> I do
Oct 12 07:40:41 <adesst> nice, webview `console.log()` prints at `adb logcat`
Oct 12 07:44:12 <gregtom6> how can I enable NFC from API?
Oct 12 07:47:21 <Looney> in which xml do I add android:background to change colour of ActionBar
Oct 12 07:47:29 <Looney> I am using ActionBarSherlock
Oct 12 07:48:36 <Looney> I have already tried adding it inside menu tag
Oct 12 07:51:19 <StingRay_> gregtom6 Looney  pretty sure both of those questions are very common … and I hope you did some google searches :)
Oct 12 07:51:46 <Looney> I think I did some on Friday
Oct 12 07:51:50 <Looney> will redo it again
Oct 12 07:52:00 <gregtom6> StingRay_: yes I did and found nothing, only that it can be do in some kind of way, but they doesn't describe that
Oct 12 07:52:16 <StingRay_> link to info ?
Oct 12 07:52:19 <StingRay_> gregtom6
Oct 12 07:52:44 <gregtom6> StingRay_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6509316/how-can-i-enable-nfc-reader-via-api On the bottom of the page they say it should compile with makefile, not with android sdk
Oct 12 07:53:02 <gregtom6> StingRay_: but where is makefile? or what is that?
Oct 12 07:56:20 <lasserix> if i am doign some animations in a view pager, when's the correct/best place to start the animations?
Oct 12 07:56:29 <lasserix> the animations should be played when the page becomes current
Oct 12 08:01:29 <gregtom6> my internet has been broken
Oct 12 08:01:32 <gregtom6> so I'm back
Oct 12 08:03:11 <finishingmove> I'm trying to build a HeartTransformation (Picasso Transformation)
Oct 12 08:03:44 <finishingmove> after some googling I ended up trying to do it by using PorterDuffXfermode and an SVG heart shape
Oct 12 08:04:01 <finishingmove> but I'm getting null trying to decode the SVG resource
Oct 12 08:04:28 <finishingmove> anyone with some similar experience around?
Oct 12 08:05:14 <gregtom6> is there a way on stackoverflow to send private messages?
Oct 12 08:05:32 <finishingmove> I think you can invite someone to a private chatroom there
Oct 12 08:05:51 <StingRay_> thats sounds dirty
Oct 12 08:06:27 <JakeWharton> finishingmove: android doesn't support SVG. How are you decoding?
Oct 12 08:07:05 <finishingmove> I tried with BitmapFactory.decodeResource
Oct 12 08:08:05 <Darklust> O..o
Oct 12 08:08:26 <finishingmove> so would you suggest I use PNGs or some 3rd party lib for SVG?
Oct 12 08:08:44 <finishingmove> I'm pretty new to 2D graphics generally
Oct 12 08:08:48 <StingRay_> not really suggested….more like totally required
Oct 12 08:09:08 <StingRay_> but SVG is heavy anyways … whats the reason for it ?
Oct 12 08:09:42 <JakeWharton> finishingmove: you can either convert the SVG into native Canvas calls or use a PNG
Oct 12 08:10:39 <lasserix> JakeWharton: how do you manage switchingbetween your viewstates (since you can only call setContentView once) within an activity?
Oct 12 08:11:02 <SimonVT> addView/removeView?
Oct 12 08:11:06 <JakeWharton> addView, removeView
Oct 12 08:11:09 <lasserix> ahh
Oct 12 08:11:10 <lasserix> thanks
Oct 12 08:11:19 <lasserix> duh ;p
Oct 12 08:11:31 <finishingmove> ok, I guess the latter is much easier in that case
Oct 12 08:14:51 <JakeWharton> You can call setContentView more than once. It just calls addView on the decor view group (or one of its children)
Oct 12 08:15:01 <JakeWharton> But you shouldn't.
Oct 12 08:18:11 <gregtom6> StingRay_: did you find something about my prev question?
Oct 12 08:18:24 <StingRay_> well, yeah…the info is there
Oct 12 08:18:49 <StingRay_> an iffy yes with reflection, but officially no …take from that what you will
Oct 12 08:22:29 <gregtom6> StingRay_: so what should I do?
Oct 12 08:22:59 <StingRay_> thats a dangerous question to ask a stranger
Oct 12 08:23:18 <StingRay_> you should "deal" with it however you see fit
Oct 12 08:23:42 <gregtom6> StingRay_: why dangerous?
Oct 12 08:24:15 <StingRay_> asking opinionated people to make design decisions for you
Oct 12 08:24:52 <StingRay_> they will often decide based on their experience and preconceptions, and the dangerous part is these may not line up with your situation
Oct 12 08:25:32 <StingRay_> and design decisions based on speculation, not all that great at the best of times :)
Oct 12 08:25:40 <finishingmove> asking is not dangerous per se, it's what you do with the information really
Oct 12 08:26:31 <gregtom6> listen...I just want to craete an android app that can enable or disable NFC
Oct 12 08:26:33 <gregtom6> that's all
Oct 12 08:27:34 <gregtom6> the problem is I don't know how to do that. Maybe it's easier to root every phones for that application to work, but it would be easier to do that without rooting I think
Oct 12 08:27:36 <SimonVT> There's already an app that does this
Oct 12 08:27:38 <SimonVT> It's called Settings
Oct 12 08:27:54 <gregtom6> SimonVT: but I need an own app for do that, because it should be modified
Oct 12 08:28:23 <SimonVT> If there's no official API, which that stackoverflow question suggests, you're left with reflection, root or modifying the system
Oct 12 08:28:51 <gregtom6> SimonVT: but I don't know what is reflection, how to do what the person said in that post
Oct 12 08:29:12 <gregtom6> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6509316/how-can-i-enable-nfc-reader-via-api/26323084#26323084   Shasin Dhivare said that
Oct 12 08:29:19 <gregtom6> *Sachin
Oct 12 08:29:27 <gregtom6> on the bottom of the page
Oct 12 08:31:20 <SimonVT> He probably means that you have to build the app against the android platform instead of the sdk
Oct 12 08:31:23 <SimonVT> Like aosp apps
Oct 12 08:31:55 <SimonVT> You should probably try the reflection approach first
Oct 12 08:32:06 <SimonVT> At least that's something that can be easily googled
Oct 12 08:32:23 <gregtom6> SimonVT: and will that work for me?
Oct 12 08:32:31 <SimonVT> I have no idea
Oct 12 08:33:08 <SimonVT> Will the other approach work for you?
Oct 12 08:34:20 <gregtom6> SimonVT: well, I simply don't understand, why should I want to use reflection, because that is for API inspection...and I don't need the official API right now
Oct 12 08:34:55 <gregtom6> SimonVT: the official API doesn't contain code for enable NFC, at least not with unrooted phone
Oct 12 08:35:01 <gregtom6> I read this
Oct 12 08:35:25 <SimonVT> You read that the public API doesn't let you enable NFC
Oct 12 08:35:35 <gregtom6> SimonVT: yes, exactly
Oct 12 08:35:43 <SimonVT> Not every method in every class is exposed in the sdk
Oct 12 08:36:45 <gregtom6> SimonVT: that's why I think it is unusable for me now
Oct 12 08:37:00 <SimonVT> Methods that aren't exposed can be accessed with reflection. But you're basically relying on the behavior to not change
Oct 12 08:37:35 <SimonVT> And you don't necessarily have permission to do what those APIs do
Oct 12 08:38:25 <gregtom6> SimonVT: but I can't find a description about how to do that (the full nfc activation method), but on the other way there are at least 1 person who said it works
Oct 12 08:41:29 <gregtom6> SimonVT: with reflections, is it possible to write an app what doesn't need rooting? enable NFC without rooting?
Oct 12 08:42:09 <SimonVT> You'll have to try and find out
Oct 12 08:42:26 <SimonVT> If there's a method to enable, you can call it. But you don't necessarily have permission to perform that action
Oct 12 08:42:36 <SimonVT> Since this is not documented, you can either dig through the android source and find out
Oct 12 08:42:38 <SimonVT> Or, try
Oct 12 08:43:05 <gregtom6> SimonVT: I'm afraid that would take days to do that
Oct 12 08:43:13 <gregtom6> because I'm not an android programmer
Oct 12 08:43:34 <SimonVT> Tough luck
Oct 12 08:44:26 <lasserix>     View itemView = inflater.inflate(R.layout.viewpager_item, container,
Oct 12 08:44:26 <lasserix>                 false);
Oct 12 08:44:29 <lasserix> which constructor is called?
Oct 12 08:44:54 <SimonVT> Context, AttributeSet
Oct 12 08:44:56 <lasserix> I was trying to add a compound view to a view pager, in it I have inflate in the constructor, but now i Have to do this in the view pager
Oct 12 08:44:58 <lasserix> ahh okay thanks
Oct 12 08:45:21 <gregtom6> how can I download this library? http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/2.3.1_r1/android/nfc/INfcAdapter.java#INfcAdapter
Oct 12 08:45:37 <gregtom6> the Infcadapter.something part
Oct 12 08:45:48 <SimonVT> That's not a library, that's android
Oct 12 08:45:51 <gregtom6> INfcAdapter.aidl
Oct 12 08:46:08 <gregtom6> SimonVT: okay, so how can I use this in an android application?
Oct 12 08:46:58 <lasserix> oh fuck
Oct 12 08:46:59 <lasserix> damnit
Oct 12 08:48:00 <Darklust> lasserix: Sounds like you divided by zero
Oct 12 08:48:03 <gregtom6> okay then
Oct 12 08:48:15 <gregtom6> SimonVT: how to use this android.nfc.INfcAdapter in my android project?
Oct 12 08:48:32 <lasserix> How do I add a view to a viewpager without inflating from xml?
Oct 12 08:49:37 <Darklust> gregtom6: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/nfc/NfcAdapter.html
Oct 12 08:50:03 <gregtom6> Darklust: IIIIIIINfcAdapter, not NfcAdapter
Oct 12 08:50:11 <gregtom6> Darklust: http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/2.3.1_r1/android/nfc/INfcAdapter.java#INfcAdapter
Oct 12 08:50:13 <gregtom6> this
Oct 12 08:51:40 <SimonVT> Figure out how AIDL works
Oct 12 08:51:43 <SimonVT> Bind to some service
Oct 12 08:51:47 <SimonVT> Call methods
Oct 12 08:52:10 <SimonVT> Probably have to build against the framework (the makefile stuff from earlier)
Oct 12 08:52:24 <SimonVT> And even then, still no guarantee that it works :)
Oct 12 08:55:53 <gregtom6> People deleted my answer from stackoverflow...I just can't communicate with anybody who is maybe know the answers...
Oct 12 08:56:13 <gregtom6> that always makes me angry about the whole software developers...but nevermind
Oct 12 08:56:15 <StingRay_> gregtom6 I think you have been given lots of answers
Oct 12 08:56:26 <StingRay_> maybe the problem is you dont quite understand
Oct 12 08:56:26 <gregtom6> StingRay_: no, just only one, but nevermind
Oct 12 08:56:33 <SimonVT> Unless you actually answered the question, they were right to delete your "answer"
Oct 12 08:56:54 <gregtom6> SimonVT: that's another problem...concentrate on this
Oct 12 08:57:23 <Darklust> Wow
Oct 12 08:57:56 <Darklust> Yeah, you can google shit then
Oct 12 08:58:12 <gregtom6> Darklust: yes, nothing on google shit
Oct 12 08:58:20 <gregtom6> simply nothing useful
Oct 12 09:01:51 <gregtom6> I hate that I need to always use lot of hours because of trying to find information about writing or doing small works....because I need to spend tons of hours with researching for application contains maximum of 50 lines
Oct 12 09:02:45 <gregtom6> if it would be a common question, why there isn't anybody who simply describe the whole method of doing that in the first few findigs in google?
Oct 12 09:20:27 <MyWay> hi
Oct 12 09:28:40 <lasserix> dont think ive ever used fuck in my code as many times as for this project
Oct 12 09:30:12 <Looney> what are you brewin lasserix
Oct 12 09:30:34 <lasserix> some kind of lottery thing
Oct 12 09:31:27 <lasserix> they had no spec
Oct 12 09:31:30 <lasserix> except two things
Oct 12 09:31:52 <lasserix> which means a) i am not getting much out of it b) if i want it to shine its up to me
Oct 12 09:32:18 <lasserix> but since shine = much dedicated work but low profit (in terms of cash) it is just frustrating
Oct 12 09:32:30 <lasserix> but its going to look really good, i decided a good app in the store is worth the work
Oct 12 09:36:03 <Odaym> this code http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3401579/get-filename-and-path-from-uri-from-mediastore and this code http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7856959/android-file-chooser both bring back Null for the file path if the file is not chosen through File Manager
Oct 12 09:36:39 <Odaym> if from Downloads, Images, Audio, Video, etc... basically if the file URI returns "content" and not "file" ://
Oct 12 09:37:28 <adq> hoy, would anyone having "Moto 360" could run these few commands ( http://pastebin.com/8LNn081y ) via adb shell and paste me (in query) the output please?
Oct 12 09:38:49 <StingRay_> Odaym there is no question there….thought you should know
Oct 12 09:39:33 <Odaym> I mean the 1st answers of each, as solutions, do not work for files that return a URI of content://
Oct 12 09:39:53 <Odaym> they do not return a valid path for those files, only for files that return a URI of file://
Oct 12 09:40:22 <Odaym> no I just tested with something from Gallery, it did return
Oct 12 09:40:26 <Odaym> and it was content://
Oct 12 09:40:37 <Odaym> hmmm, no idea why this would fail elsewher
Oct 12 09:41:17 <Odaym> this is probably strictly for stuff in external storage
Oct 12 09:43:46 <StingRay_> depends on what content provider is returning
Oct 12 09:44:00 <StingRay_> you can work it out from the provider part of the uri normally
Oct 12 09:44:23 <StingRay_> then query accordingly, though if it's return from documents you have to do a few more things iirc
Oct 12 09:44:47 <Odaym> Im just going to prompt that they had better move the file to SDCard
Oct 12 09:45:03 <Odaym> if the path is null
Oct 12 09:47:19 <lasserix> is it possible to pause animations?
Oct 12 09:47:43 <Odaym> nah man I can't do that, why would I offer a chooser that opens everything if they can only pick certain files from it
Oct 12 09:49:06 <StingRay_> Odaym yeah, eventually you will need to resolve chosen items properly :)
Oct 12 09:49:06 <Odaym> I think this is a KitKat issue
Oct 12 09:49:28 <Odaym> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20067508/get-real-path-from-uri-android-kitkat-new-storage-access-framework in the question, the 2nd link is what I see
Oct 12 09:49:30 <Odaym> the "Now"
Oct 12 09:55:59 <Odaym> nah, that code returns null when the file is "Not a Document"
Oct 12 09:56:04 <Odaym> game is hard
Oct 12 10:18:31 <gregtom6> is this an official site or not? https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/nfc
Oct 12 10:18:47 <gregtom6> if all of the aidl-s are official, why can't I use them?
Oct 12 10:23:18 <StingRay_> offical what ?
Oct 12 10:23:31 <StingRay_> yes they are part of android
Oct 12 10:23:55 <StingRay_> no gregtom6 like you have been told, they are not part of the open sdk and set of api's used for app dev
Oct 12 10:30:04 <Morg0th> Hello, i have a custom action bar in an activity to have a centered title, and i'd like to display a textview at the very left, but it's not totally left aligned when the menu icon is displayed. how can i do this please? i uploaded a pic here: http://postimg.org/image/dy03sr53x/. the "50" view should be to the left.
Oct 12 10:35:05 <JavaDog> Can someone with android wear experience help me out? I have a pretty basic layout, but trying to get a reference to a TextView always results in a null pointer
Oct 12 10:37:07 <JavaDog> without fail, line 43 results in a nullpointerexception http://pastebin.com/Rfckz46E
Oct 12 10:37:45 <JavaDog> my xml files are the standard template for wear projects. The textviews exist in my round_activity
Oct 12 10:42:54 <ktwo> hey got an issue: sometimes my app restarts the activity from scratch when restarting form launcher, but not from taskmanager
Oct 12 10:42:56 <ktwo> what could be wrong?
Oct 12 11:09:17 <byt89> Hi, I am trying to switch to AS but I am having problems with in my opinion a simple task
Oct 12 11:09:42 <byt89> nvm
Oct 12 11:37:32 <havv> Hi, I'm new to Android. I am writing an app which will receive a stream of bytes which represent images and I want to know what would be an efficient way to display them (each image replaces the one before)
Oct 12 11:39:16 <StingRay_> load into bitmap and display on either surfaceView or imageView ?
Oct 12 11:39:20 <StingRay_> maybe :)
Oct 12 11:46:00 <Ostehaps2> Hey guys - im about to upload my android app to play store
Oct 12 11:46:03 <Ostehaps2> i have 1 question tho
Oct 12 11:46:24 <Ostehaps2> i have made seperate apks for phone  /  tablet
Oct 12 11:46:37 <Ostehaps2> i am able to do so right? i mean uploading different apks for the same app
Oct 12 11:52:54 <h4k1m> hi guys
Oct 12 11:53:15 <h4k1m> is it possible to get a cursor instance without doing a select query?
Oct 12 11:53:43 <h4k1m> I need a certain column index but I can't get it without a cursor instance
Oct 12 11:58:46 <JavaDog> Can someone with android wear experience help me out? I have a pretty basic layout, but trying to get a reference to a TextView always results in a null pointer
Oct 12 11:58:58 <danijoo> h4k1m: a cursor is a pointer on a database row, so i think no
Oct 12 11:59:13 <danijoo> Ostehaps2: nope
Oct 12 11:59:45 <h4k1m> danijoo: ok thanks
Oct 12 12:00:03 <danijoo> if you want different apps for both you must make 2 apks that exclude the other devices and load them up as seperate apps
Oct 12 12:00:19 <danijoo> but what you usually do is using the same apk for both and have different layouts in it
Oct 12 12:00:59 <Ostehaps2> danijoo - i was under the impression that multiple apks was supported
Oct 12 12:02:02 <danijoo> mh. you can try to upload them both one after another. If you really excluded phones on one apk and tablets on the other they might both stay active
Oct 12 12:02:09 <danijoo> that to warn you: this will be a mess
Oct 12 12:02:22 <danijoo> you always have to have a bigger versionCode in one of them
Oct 12 12:03:06 <JavaDog> Am I doing something wrong here? Line 43 results in a nullpointerexception http://pastebin.com/Rfckz46E
Oct 12 12:03:20 <JavaDog> And no matter what I try, I can't get a reference to any of the views which should have been created
Oct 12 12:04:13 <danijoo> I never worked with android wear but why do you have a layout inflated listener
Oct 12 12:04:40 <danijoo> shoudnt it be inflated after setCOntentView everytime so you can be sure?
Oct 12 12:04:45 <JavaDog> That's what the android wear wizard sets up as a template. I tried moving my code out of it, same story
Oct 12 12:05:03 <danijoo> mh. no experience with this. sorry :S
Oct 12 12:05:24 <JavaDog> That's alright. Anyone know android wear?
Oct 12 12:06:19 <licksjp> Hello
Oct 12 12:06:25 <licksjp> I am Japanese
Oct 12 12:06:32 <licksjp> I live in Japan
Oct 12 12:08:57 <danijoo> i dont
Oct 12 12:09:40 <Ostehaps2> Anyone else know if i am able upload multiple apks for one app ?
Oct 12 12:09:45 <Ostehaps2> one for tablet, one for smartphone
Oct 12 12:10:22 <danijoo> Ostehaps2: i gave you the only answer that you can get.
Oct 12 12:11:11 <Ostehaps2> danijoo was hoping someone had tried it before
Oct 12 12:11:53 <danijoo> theres nothing to try
Oct 12 12:12:13 <danijoo> one apk per app, but you can have multiple with different versioncodes if they exclude each other
Oct 12 12:12:19 <StingRay_> Ostehaps2 I have an answer for you  : you can try to upload them both one after another. If you really excluded phones on one apk and tablets on the other they might both stay active, that to warn you: this will be a mess
Oct 12 12:12:37 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 12 12:12:45 <Ostehaps2> Well according to the documentation one should be able to upload multiple apks
Oct 12 12:12:46 <Ostehaps2> http://developer.android.com/google/play/publishing/multiple-apks.html
Oct 12 12:12:59 <Ostehaps2> but i must admit im a bit worried about the process
Oct 12 12:13:31 <danijoo> if apk1 has versioncode 1 and manifest says its for everything and apk2  has versioncode 2 and says "only for phones", tablet user will get apk1 and phone users will get apk2
Oct 12 12:13:59 <danijoo> but you always have to take care of your versioncodes
Oct 12 12:15:41 <danijoo> Ostehaps2: why do you want to split your app into multiple apks? is it large?
Oct 12 12:19:27 <danijoo> btw what I told you is what is described at your link under "Using a version code scheme"
Oct 12 12:32:25 <JavaDog> That's so strange. My onLayoutInflated method is called *twice*, and the first time it returns "Using rectangular layout" then "Using round layout" the second time. I've found the source of my nullpointer but it looks more like a bug in the android wear sdk :\
Oct 12 12:39:00 <adq> yup JavaDog, it's a know bug, maybe you can handle this specific case or use android.support.wearable.view.BoxInsetLayout
Oct 12 12:40:10 <JavaDog> adq: How would I implement different UIs for round vs. square using BoxInsetLayout?
Oct 12 12:40:18 <adq> also do not rely on the emulator. By the way, do you own a Moto 360? if so, would you run these few commands ( http://pastebin.com/8LNn081y ) via adb shell and paste me (in query) the output please, it's very fast to do it?
Oct 12 12:40:33 <JavaDog> and yes, I'm testing on a moto 360
Oct 12 12:40:34 <adq> JavaDog, because boxinsetlayout will detect for you that and add enough padding
Oct 12 12:40:44 <adq> oh cool :)
Oct 12 12:40:59 <JavaDog> and sure, I'll run your commands
Oct 12 12:41:14 <adq> thank you very much!
Oct 12 12:41:25 <adq> (the moto360 is still not available in my country..... (france))
Oct 12 12:41:37 <perlsyntax> nope
Oct 12 12:41:54 <perlsyntax> hey all
Oct 12 12:42:44 <JavaDog> adq: They all returned "No such file or directory"
Oct 12 12:43:02 <adq> seriously ;(
Oct 12 12:43:04 <JavaDog> It's not rooted, in case it would need that
Oct 12 12:43:11 <adq> no need root
Oct 12 12:43:18 <adq> normally it should be available, but thx!
Oct 12 12:43:24 <JavaDog> sure :p
Oct 12 12:48:20 <JavaDog> adq: Thanks for letting me know that's a known issue. I've been struggling with it for hours :\
Oct 12 12:48:36 <JavaDog> I guess that has to be expected with young SDKs though
Oct 12 12:51:47 <adq> np!
Oct 12 12:58:01 <adq> JavaDog, would you run a last command for me (so i won't bother anyone anymore about moto360 ^^), "adb shell ls -lR / > /sdcard/tree" and then pulling the file via "adb pull /sdcard/tree REPLACEWITHTHEPATHYOUWANT", and finally paste it in pastebin
Oct 12 12:58:15 <adq> so I can know all the files, and maybe find what i want
Oct 12 12:58:51 <adq> it looks like the G Watch has not the same device tree, same for the emulator too... more fragmentation
Oct 12 12:59:38 <JavaDog> sure
Oct 12 12:59:38 <adq> you can remove the /sdcard/tree after pulling it, if you want to keep /sdcard of your moto360 clean (it does not take much space to dump anyway)
Oct 12 12:59:44 <adq> JavaDog, you rox!!!
Oct 12 13:00:41 <adq> if you want mine (on G Watch) feel free to ask of course
Oct 12 13:01:49 <JavaDog> it's just giving me "sdcard/tree: no such file or directory" even after I created the file
Oct 12 13:02:08 <adq> or maybe do it via first
Oct 12 13:02:10 <adq> adb shell
Oct 12 13:02:12 <adq> then
Oct 12 13:02:18 <Ostehaps2> danijoo sry had to take a call
Oct 12 13:02:21 <adq> ls -lR / > /sdcard/tree
Oct 12 13:02:36 <adq> it should copy the output of ls inside tree file
Oct 12 13:02:39 <Ostehaps2> but yeah, the app contains a rather large amount of images - so would prefer having two seperate apks
Oct 12 13:03:01 <adq> or maybe change /sdcard/tree to a place you know you can write
Oct 12 13:05:06 <adq> sorry to bother you so much, i would thought it is straigh-forward to retrieve the output of an ls command
Oct 12 13:05:34 <JavaDog> as I have learned over the past few days, nothing related to android wear is simple :p
Oct 12 13:05:41 <adq> ahah
Oct 12 13:05:47 <adq> learning too here ;)
Oct 12 13:06:47 <adq> what suprising me the most is how the emulator is "far" from a real device
Oct 12 13:07:34 <JavaDog> file was too big for pastebin, but here you go: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13228613/moto360_fileTree.txt
Oct 12 13:07:55 <Ostehaps2> Anyone here doing Android freelance work? My application is build using Titanium, so sourcecode is in JavaScript
Oct 12 13:08:02 <Ostehaps2> could easily use a helping hand
Oct 12 13:08:20 <Ostehaps2> paid ofc
Oct 12 13:08:31 <adq> woot thank you JavaDog :)
Oct 12 13:08:38 <JavaDog> no problem :)
Oct 12 13:09:00 <adq> don't hesitate to ping me about Android Wear
Oct 12 13:09:04 <adq> if you need something
Oct 12 13:09:23 <JavaDog> cool ^^
Oct 12 13:37:11 <JavaDog> Woo, progress! Things are looking good :)
Oct 12 13:37:32 <JavaDog> (aside from the graphics I made for my app. those look pretty bad.)
Oct 12 14:11:36 <semanty> hi, i have i fragment created by the activity, which further have 3 fragment, 1st is a normal fragment, 2nd and 3rd is listFragment, the problem is the 2nd and 3rd fragment height are fixed, the content can not be shown completely
Oct 12 14:14:28 <semanty> i mean what a method or UI design can show my 3 table data in one screen completely?
Oct 12 14:15:27 <StingRay_> semanty the question is that of design
Oct 12 14:15:37 <semanty> StingRay_: so?
Oct 12 14:15:38 <StingRay_> look at viewGroups and layout parameters
Oct 12 14:16:10 <StingRay_> so….so nobody here will know what the screen design is
Oct 12 14:16:38 <StingRay_> blanket answer … look at linearLayout and use layout weight
Oct 12 14:16:55 <semanty> StingRay_: yes, so here I want a design thought
Oct 12 14:17:00 <StingRay_> as to if that helps you…no idea… cause you need to understand it and I would need to know the screen design :)
Oct 12 14:18:05 <semanty> StingRay_: in fact, i hope the fragment height can be setup dynamically, so it will be easier for me
Oct 12 14:24:14 <troned> Can someone explain the UP vector in a Matrix.setLookAtM call in opengles 2.0?
Oct 12 14:56:58 <ashemark> Hi everyone
Oct 12 14:57:12 <licksjp> Hello
Oct 12 14:57:20 <licksjp> I am Japanese
Oct 12 14:57:25 <licksjp> I live in Japan
Oct 12 14:57:34 <licksjp>  I am Android developer
Oct 12 14:57:49 <ashemark> I want to pass longitudes and latitudes as parameters to uri.builder
Oct 12 14:57:52 <licksjp> my apps about 80 for Android apps
Oct 12 14:58:23 <ashemark> how do i pass floats and ints as parameters?
Oct 12 14:59:06 <yuizy> why do you want to pass floats and ints
Oct 12 14:59:19 <licksjp> ashemark does ur editor Android developer or eclipse?
Oct 12 14:59:21 <yuizy> just pass strings
Oct 12 14:59:33 <ashemark> ok
Oct 12 14:59:37 <ashemark> thanks
Oct 12 14:59:39 <JavaDog> String.valueOf(floatVal)
Oct 12 14:59:45 <yuizy> :)
Oct 12 15:14:14 <cliffreich> how do i disable urlencoding with query param using retrofit
Oct 12 15:14:28 <cliffreich> it does not have the encodedName as docs say
Oct 12 15:15:06 <TGMCians> hi #android-dev
Oct 12 15:31:00 <Nohus> I have a ViewPager with fragments and it appears empty initially, but when I scroll to another page and back the page is visible. Why is it blank on start? : |
Oct 12 15:31:12 <troned> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o92w46&s=8#.VDqeP3WUc8o
Oct 12 15:32:06 <StingRay_> Nohus cause you're doing it wrong … :)
Oct 12 15:32:25 <Nohus> StingRay_: Yeah I guesses that. : P
Oct 12 15:32:32 <Nohus> guessed*
Oct 12 15:32:45 <MikeWallaceDev> Have no fear, StingRay_ is here!!!
Oct 12 15:32:59 <StingRay_> well thats about as detailed as it gets :)   given the available info ;)
Oct 12 15:34:25 <Nohus> StingRay_: Should I paste the pager code, adapter code or the fragment's code? : |
Oct 12 15:35:13 <MikeWallaceDev> if you are only swiping one page, then it's probably not the adapter, if you are swiping two then it probably is the adapter
Oct 12 15:35:53 <Nohus> MikeWallaceDev: Page 0 is empty, page 1 is empty, then next pages are ok and when scrolling back 0 and 1 are ok.
Oct 12 15:36:56 <troned> can someone explain why the opengles 2.0 coord system is so backwards? or is it because something I am doing? i am playing with this example: http://developer.android.com/training/graphics/opengl/index.html
Oct 12 15:37:23 <troned> this is what my coord systems looks like: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=o92w46&s=8#.VDqeP3WUc8o
Oct 12 15:37:59 <Nohus> MikeWallaceDev: That means it's the adapters fault?
Oct 12 15:38:01 <MikeWallaceDev> Nohus, that's your adapter.  It's probably not setup correctly
Oct 12 15:38:07 <MikeWallaceDev> right :)
Oct 12 15:38:39 <MikeWallaceDev> but the error might not be IN the adapter, maybe it's a timing issue.
Oct 12 15:39:39 <Nohus> http://paste.nohus.eu/?wr2mX3 Here is my adapter, anything wrong with it?
Oct 12 15:43:50 <troned> noone good with opengles ?
Oct 12 15:50:54 <Nohus> Soo... yeah.
Oct 12 15:54:51 <troned> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26326986/android-opengles-2-0-coordinate-system-is-backwards-what-am-i-doing-wrong
Oct 12 15:56:26 <yuizy> what's so backwards about that
Oct 12 15:59:42 <troned> yuizy positive to the left...?
Oct 12 16:00:28 <troned> (1,1) is in the upper left quadrant.
Oct 12 16:00:36 <troned> normally it would be the upper right
Oct 12 16:00:43 <troned> and I would accept bottom right
Oct 12 16:00:49 <troned> but upper left...makes 0 sense
Oct 12 16:01:01 <JavaDog> So it's like the Flash canvas
Oct 12 16:02:09 <troned> but why?
Oct 12 16:04:39 <MikeWallaceDev> troned, do we work for Google? Go ask them...
Oct 12 16:05:28 <troned> MikeWallaceDev, no need to work for google to know why, there is probably a reasonable explanation
Oct 12 16:06:47 <troned> I managed to fix it so I can give "normal" coords as input but why it is like this still makes no sense to me
Oct 12 16:12:55 <Nohus> Oh I fixed my ViewPager, I was slowly getting hopeless.
Oct 12 16:21:08 <troned> found it
Oct 12 16:21:09 <troned> Note that the eye coordinates are defined in the right-handed coordinate system, but NDC uses the left-handed coordinate system. That is, the camera at the origin is looking along -Z axis in eye space, but it is looking along +Z axis in NDC. Since glFrustum() accepts only positive values of near and far distances, we need to negate them during the construction of GL_PROJECTION matrix.
Oct 12 16:21:32 <MikeWallaceDev> :)
Oct 12 16:23:41 <threehourtour> does anyone here work on a team as an android dev?
Oct 12 16:27:55 <MikeWallaceDev> team of one
Oct 12 16:27:56 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Oct 12 16:28:52 <StingRay_> worked in teams of 120+ but never work in a team on mobil dev
Oct 12 16:29:07 <StingRay_> mobile*
Oct 12 16:29:07 <milosvova> Hello guys! I'm trying to transfer a text message using SIP, is it possible somehow?
Oct 12 16:30:44 <StingRay_> actually thinking about it, the production dev team were sometimes 30-70  not 120
Oct 12 16:31:26 <MikeWallaceDev> StingRay_, is a fountain of lies.
Oct 12 16:31:58 <StingRay_> well I was including QA
Oct 12 16:32:11 <StingRay_> but you cant really do that since it's normally a shared resource
Oct 12 16:35:19 <MikeWallaceDev> Not AndroidDev related, but the answer blew my mind : http://askubuntu.com/questions/536217/what-environment-does-xargs-pass-to-grep
Oct 12 16:35:38 <MikeWallaceDev> (It's my question...)
Oct 12 16:35:46 <threehourtour> I was asking this question last night in here… I want to know if anyone would find it useful to have a tool that detects merge conflicts in ~realtime
Oct 12 16:37:30 <MikeWallaceDev> threehourtour, (great nick btw) do you mean with git?
Oct 12 16:37:36 <threehourtour> yes
Oct 12 16:38:07 <threehourtour> the idea is everyone installs a client app that monitors for working copy + staged changes and sends patches to a server
Oct 12 16:38:44 <threehourtour> that server, which also has everyones branches, does a mass comparison and alerts people of merge conflicts
Oct 12 16:38:55 <RusAlex> hi everyone. Having troubles with running my first app. Im not new in porgramming. But really new in android dev
Oct 12 16:39:11 <threehourtour> the idea is to get devs talking about areas they’re stepping on each other’s toes early and possibly prevent overlapping work
Oct 12 16:39:44 <StingRay_> threehourtour in a team thats lead that doesn't really happen
Oct 12 16:39:58 <StingRay_> well I can only speak from games/console dev
Oct 12 16:40:32 <threehourtour> so organization prevents any overlap?
Oct 12 16:41:13 <StingRay_> yeah
Oct 12 16:42:19 <StingRay_> again, my experience is not in a small mobile team, but in my production orientated roles in large teams, hell yes
Oct 12 16:42:27 <StingRay_> teams*
Oct 12 16:43:48 <threehourtour> ah, ok
Oct 12 16:46:42 <RusAlex> trying to follow google instructions to run first app. And found that row `import android.support.v7.app.ActionBarActivity` does not work. And I have to link this lib to my project. How to do this
Oct 12 16:46:44 <RusAlex> ?
Oct 12 16:47:04 <RusAlex> I tryed to copy support folder from sdk folder to <project>/lib folder
Oct 12 16:47:26 <RusAlex> and then run `android update project -p .` but no success
Oct 12 16:47:38 <RusAlex> ant still do not see support.v7 lib
Oct 12 16:49:23 <RusAlex> any suggestion how to include library to the project ?
Oct 12 16:51:23 <JavaDog> Summoning adq: How can I tell if my watch app is already running to prevent launching the same activity more than once?
Oct 12 16:51:43 <adq> use in your manifest, singleinstance mode
Oct 12 16:52:19 <adq> or maybe store a boolean in a sharedpreferences
Oct 12 16:52:24 <adq> (like a pid)
Oct 12 16:52:36 <adq> (err like a pid file)
Oct 12 16:53:18 <adq> that's not specific to android wear though ^^
Oct 12 16:54:08 <JavaDog> ah, launchmode=singleTask looks like what I want. Thanks :p
Oct 12 16:54:11 <adq> JavaDog, android:launchMode="singleInstance" inside your activity of your manifest
Oct 12 16:54:23 <adq> yep, read carefully the description of launchmode
Oct 12 16:54:33 <adq> most of the times, you do not need that ^^
Oct 12 17:01:52 <threehourtour> room any thoughts on Tizen?
Oct 12 17:02:15 <threehourtour> is Samsung going to make a big push and switch over to Tizen completely?
Oct 12 17:03:52 <StingRay_> would be a stupid move
Oct 12 17:04:16 <StingRay_> as close to nose dive to suicide as they could go I would think
Oct 12 17:05:05 <threehourtour> yeah I can’t imagine any android developer in their right mind wanting to switch to tizen
Oct 12 17:05:08 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> I think they'll end up losing even more profits trying to do that.
Oct 12 17:05:13 <threehourtour> considering how hard smasung has made it for us in general
Oct 12 17:17:55 <Leeds> goals for this week: 1) keep up with the washing up. 2) 10,000 steps every day. 3) materialise dayjob app...
Oct 12 17:22:29 <JavaDog> goals for this week's deadlines: 1) oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck
Oct 12 17:34:56 <J033> Hello, I am a beginning Android developer and I have a question. If I were to be making an app that made the LED glow when a notification from a different app appeared, how would I programatically wait for the event of the notification? I can't seem to find any documentation on this. Thanks!
Oct 12 17:43:00 <JacobTabak> man what is up with rotation pivot
Oct 12 17:43:21 <JacobTabak> i need to wrap my head around it
Oct 12 17:47:41 <sq> rotation pivots are strangely appropriate for wrapping heads around them
Oct 12 17:48:43 <Darklust> That's satisfyingly violent
Oct 12 17:49:33 <JacobTabak> someone should write a sample app
Oct 12 17:49:45 <JacobTabak> that has something rotating and lets you change the pivot
Oct 12 17:49:56 <JacobTabak> maybe then i would understand it
Oct 12 17:54:39 <perlsyntax> Hey what up?
Oct 12 17:55:33 <JacobTabak> greetings
Oct 12 17:55:39 <perlsyntax> :)
Oct 12 17:55:59 <perlsyntax> thanks JacobTabak
Oct 12 17:56:15 <JacobTabak> i have never been thankaed for greeting someone before
Oct 12 17:56:18 <JacobTabak> thanked*
Oct 12 17:56:52 <MikeWallaceDev> thank you for pointing that out JacobTabak
Oct 12 17:57:06 <JacobTabak> hello MikeWallaceDev
Oct 12 17:57:08 <JacobTabak> whats new
Oct 12 17:57:25 <MikeWallaceDev> I was waiting for the inception jokes ;)
Oct 12 17:57:47 <perlsyntax> cool
Oct 12 17:57:53 <MikeWallaceDev> what's new is that I THINK I'm actually going to get Android to build
Oct 12 17:57:55 <bilb_ono> I am trying to build the standard camera application in the sample api code on the android developer website. However the camera works fine on some phones and not at all on others. It mentions java out of memory errors which due to my research, indicate that I am not loading the bitmap efficiently enough. but the tutorial on the google site says nothing about decoding bitmaps. Should this be something that I have to worry about?
Oct 12 17:58:00 <MikeWallaceDev> compiling as we speak
Oct 12 17:58:02 <bilb_ono> or am i doing something wrong?
Oct 12 17:59:07 <perlsyntax> JacobTabak, why that?
Oct 12 17:59:20 <MikeWallaceDev> bilb_ono, are those rhetorical questions??
Oct 12 18:00:00 <perlsyntax> Does anyone seen the new gui in google play constole?
Oct 12 18:00:35 <perlsyntax> i just want to make sure it not just me seeing it:)
Oct 12 18:00:39 <perlsyntax> lol
Oct 12 18:01:07 <JacobTabak> they've had a new gui for over a year, did they change it again?
Oct 12 18:01:14 <bilb_ono> MikeWallaceDev, No. I don't know whether I should be doing all this bitmap decoding stuff. Im not sure why it would be necessary if the google camera tutorial doesn't mention it.
Oct 12 18:01:39 <bilb_ono> MikeWallaceDev, I guess I am wondering if it is necessary? for a simple camera app
Oct 12 18:01:46 <JacobTabak> bilb_ono if you take a raw image with the device's camera, you should not be trying to display that same image without reducing the size first
Oct 12 18:01:59 <MikeWallaceDev> Google tutorials are generic bilb_ono , they don't take edge cases into account
Oct 12 18:02:04 <perlsyntax> JacobTabake,i see i thought they just change somethings around.
Oct 12 18:02:25 <JacobTabak> bilb_ono its possible megapixels have gone up since hte tutorial was written
Oct 12 18:02:40 <bilb_ono> ah
Oct 12 18:02:42 <bilb_ono> great
Oct 12 18:02:44 <JacobTabak> but when an image is loaded into memory, each pixel takes 1 byte to display
Oct 12 18:02:44 <bilb_ono> ok thank you
Oct 12 18:03:03 <JacobTabak> so if you're loading a 10MP image, that's 10 MB
Oct 12 18:03:07 <JacobTabak> of memory, which is a lot
Oct 12 18:03:32 <bilb_ono> yeah mine seem to be 19 MB
Oct 12 18:03:41 <JacobTabak> http://developer.android.com/training/displaying-bitmaps/load-bitmap.html
Oct 12 18:03:57 <JacobTabak> adjust the inSampleSize to reduce memory footprint
Oct 12 18:03:58 <bilb_ono> is there an up to date simple camera tutorial somewhere?
Oct 12 18:04:41 <SimonVT> 4 bytes per pixel
Oct 12 18:04:51 <perlsyntax> JacobTabak,i was aking what is this new api thing in google play constole?
Oct 12 18:05:12 <JacobTabak> yea my bad
Oct 12 18:05:29 <JacobTabak> 4 bytes :)
Oct 12 18:06:35 <perlsyntax> Sorry for the newbie question.
Oct 12 18:08:32 <perlsyntax> Is there a google support number for developer?
Oct 12 18:08:43 <JacobTabak> perlsyntax what specifically are you asking about?
Oct 12 18:09:10 <JacobTabak> perlsyntax they are notoriously hard to get in contact with
Oct 12 18:10:00 <perlsyntax> really i didn't know that.
Oct 12 18:11:47 <perlsyntax> I just asking if they had a phone number supoort
Oct 12 18:12:20 <JacobTabak> perlsyntax we had an issue a while ago where we got locked out of our account and it took like a month to get it back
Oct 12 18:12:40 <perlsyntax> wow i didn't know that.Sorry to hear that.
Oct 12 18:13:53 <perlsyntax> JacobTabak,I just asking just  in case i had probs with my google play constol that all.
Oct 12 18:13:59 <perlsyntax> :) thanks.
Oct 12 18:17:32 <perlsyntax> I hope that don't happon to me.
Oct 12 18:17:34 <cliffreich> how do i save the app state for another activity...  mainactivity A wasnt displayed, so activity B was displaying something, if i switch app when i return it should be there the activity B!
Oct 12 18:26:37 <JacobTabak> cliff it will save its state automatically unless you call finish()
Oct 12 18:26:51 <JacobTabak> you can have multiple instances of activities though, so make sure you're not launching a new one
Oct 12 18:28:11 <g00s> "ChromeOS will no longer support ext2/3/4 on external drives/SD cards", lol
Oct 12 18:30:31 <TGMCians> perlsyntax you can contact with them via email
Oct 12 18:34:07 <cliffreich> JacobTabak im checking the code. but still no idea, last activity was the B
Oct 12 18:35:28 <cliffreich> ill i need some sleep
Oct 12 18:35:32 <cliffreich> will check later
Oct 12 18:35:40 <cliffreich> cya
Oct 12 19:07:36 <TGMCians> so guys isn't there any solution for this issue still http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24437564/update-eclipse-with-android-development-tools-v-23
Oct 12 19:08:11 <TGMCians> today again I had to download adt from their website to continue my work.
Oct 12 19:10:37 <Darklust> TGMCians: What if I told you
Oct 12 19:10:51 <Darklust> ADT isn't in active development
Oct 12 19:11:11 <TGMCians> yes I also shifted to AS
Oct 12 19:11:21 * Darklust slow claps
Oct 12 19:11:50 <TGMCians> but for my old project i still use adt for a hour or so
Oct 12 19:18:36 <cn28h> I'm trying to use beardedhen's android bootstrap library and it seems to be working fine but I can't get the font-awesome icons to load.  The common cause of this seems to be forgetting to copy the font-awesome ttf into the project's assets directory, but I've done that and tracing through the code the font seems to be loaded fine.  I also see it setting the typeface and text for the icons, but nothing displays when I actually run it.  What
Oct 12 19:18:36 <cn28h> else should I be checking? I'm fairly stumped
Oct 12 19:20:38 <cn28h> and the test project that comes with it, it sows fine there
Oct 12 19:32:11 <dysoco> Can I install Android Studio with an already installed Android SDK? I don't want to download everything again.
Oct 12 19:33:49 <TGMCians> dysoco yes you can
Oct 12 19:34:09 <dysoco> So is that configured on the installer or is that a separate download like with Eclipse?
Oct 12 19:35:17 <TGMCians> by default it comes with latest api + documentation etc.
Oct 12 19:35:51 <dysoco> Hm maybe I should just install it with the defalt
Oct 12 19:36:03 <TGMCians> yup
Oct 12 19:36:05 <dysoco> I just don't want it to conflict with my Eclipse ADT I use for game development.
Oct 12 19:43:04 <MikeWallaceDev> Holy crap, I come back from lunch and Android is still compiling!  It's been 2.5 hours...
Oct 12 19:45:46 <poutine> I have a web application that is like a dashboard for my home automation system, and it has a SVG I built of my house, and I'm at the point where I'm developing an android app for it. Can I make regions of a SVG clickable in android? Dynamically update a rect to be filled with a certain color?
Oct 12 19:47:12 <poutine> as far as what I've read, SVG support is fairly spotty
Oct 12 19:47:41 <MikeWallaceDev> It's not spotty. There isn't any. But there are libraries
Oct 12 19:47:54 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm not sure about the first question (you'd have to check the library)
Oct 12 19:48:00 <MikeWallaceDev> second question is a yes.
Oct 12 19:48:53 <poutine> Ok I'll check it out, thanks
Oct 12 19:49:34 <poutine> Is there a plan to open up the voice recognition to different top level prompts? It's a little annoying on my android wear to have to have google start my app, and then display the speech recognizer input window, and then give my home automation the command
Oct 12 19:49:41 <poutine> or is there a workaround
Oct 12 19:49:55 <poutine> Other than creating intents for every single action and using 'start'
Oct 12 19:51:56 <dysoco> Alright so I'm pretty new to Android Development, I have written for Android before but using LibGDX, an opengl library for games. Should I install the L Preview SDK and learn that or install the 4.4 one?
Oct 12 19:52:09 <dysoco> I've never written an Android app per se
Oct 12 19:52:57 <flan3002> You'll be fine with 4.4.
Oct 12 19:53:33 <dysoco> So there isn't a big difference between L and 4.4?
Oct 12 19:53:40 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> Not with OpenGL
Oct 12 19:53:50 <dysoco> no I don't mean OpenGL; I want to make an Android App
Oct 12 19:54:02 <flan3002> There is, but it's irrelevant to you. Mostly.
Oct 12 19:54:50 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> Oh, biggest change is a new system theme, Material, but it wont stop you from developing.
Oct 12 19:54:51 <SimonVT> If you don't expect to release before L is out, just use the L preview
Oct 12 19:55:50 <dysoco> Alright and what's the best way to learn? Official Google tutorials for now? I already know Java.
Oct 12 19:57:11 <Ologn> Android uses OpenGL ES, not OpenGL
Oct 12 20:01:09 <TheUnkn0wn0ne> Ologn: Oops. That's what I meant
Oct 12 20:27:23 <resu01> hello. I make a android volley post request. When i get the result i get the whole html page and whereas the result is successful i get a malformedjsonexcpetion
Oct 12 20:27:54 <resu01> how can i return only a json_encode("successful") as a result?
Oct 12 20:33:37 <SimonVT> .. are you asking how to make a webserver return a result when a request is made? That's not really on topic for an android app development channel
Oct 12 20:38:04 <Mavrik> My god people really need to at least glance over developers.android.com
Oct 12 20:38:29 <MikeWallaceDev> what's developers.android.com?
Oct 12 20:40:50 * Mavrik slaps MikeWallaceDev with Android 1.5
Oct 12 20:41:00 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Oct 12 20:42:17 <MikeWallaceDev> 3 hours into compiling 4.4.4... I wish I knew how much was left... Can I go do chores, or is this thing just about to finish??
Oct 12 20:46:42 <Mavrik> MikeWallaceDev, people were talking about 8-16 hour compile times
Oct 12 20:46:50 <Mavrik> but I don't know about the hardware they had
Oct 12 21:05:18 <MikeWallaceDev> Mavrik, aww man, I read 4... You're killing me
Oct 12 21:10:49 <lasserix> I have a modified listview where it behaves as a thumb wheel, ie the center position is the selected row-- which all works fine,
Oct 12 21:11:14 <lasserix> my question is what's the best approach to making the rows above and below the center position smalelr, as to make the thing appear on a disc in the z axis?
Oct 12 21:26:54 <aretecode>  I flashed the new Android L roboto font onto my s5, but now all the emoji are gone. I tried ~5 fonts that say they were official s5 default font but none of them restored the emoji. Any ideas? I am currently restoring a nandroid but it is older (should've backed up right before) so I hope I can copy the font from the restored version...
Oct 12 21:27:44 <SimonVT> aretecode: Try #android-root, this is for app dev
Oct 12 21:28:06 <aretecode> SimonVT, sorry I typed it in the wrong channel!
Oct 12 21:28:29 <bilb_ono> when I am showing a camera preview, is it in bitmap format? or does it only get converted to a bitmap when the image is captured and stored?
Oct 12 21:39:53 <lasserix> Is there some way to scale children of a list view based on their vertical position in the listview?
Oct 12 21:43:10 <lasserix> Or is there a way to differentially scale along the vertical axis of a view?
Oct 12 22:13:11 <JavaDog> Anyone know why calling ActivityName.this.finish(); in android wear doesn't want to kill my activity?
Oct 12 22:13:21 <JavaDog> It just sits there and does nothing
Oct 12 22:15:54 <JavaDog> nevermind, I think I figured it out
Oct 12 22:27:41 <lasserix> how do i add layout params to a textview returning from getView in an adapter?
Oct 12 22:29:47 <whatitis> do whatever to the given convertView and return it. they are recycled so have to remember that
Oct 12 22:31:11 <shmooz> lasserix: interesting, I just added some 3d rotation effect to my listview, but I was thinking of doing the same thing you are doing as well
Oct 12 22:31:41 <shmooz> let me know if you get it working like a spin wheel
Oct 12 22:32:03 <johnflux__> With an ImageView, can I tell the tools what image to use for the preview?
Oct 12 22:32:39 <whatitis> set a src
Oct 12 22:32:56 <johnflux__> whatitis: I don't want to really set the src, but only for the preview
Oct 12 22:33:02 <johnflux__> whatitis: it's a grid item
Oct 12 22:33:05 <lasserix> shmooz: yeah essentially its that
Oct 12 22:33:12 <lasserix> but to do some optimizations though
Oct 12 22:33:15 <lasserix> but it works
Oct 12 22:34:53 <obXiDeJSF> So, this is a C&P from the message I just posted over at #cyanogenmod, I was recommended to post it here and at #cyanogenmod by someone over at #android.
Oct 12 22:34:56 <obXiDeJSF> Basically, I was an idiot, I went into privacy guard and set "Android OS" as "Ask me" for all permissions. Stupid? Yes. I am a complete and utter idiot. Anyway, I assume, like other applications, privacy guard stores it's data in /data/data/${workspace}, so, I'm trying to mount /data from recovery mode. Unfortunately... it doesn't want to mount. `blkid` doesn't seem to list the block device that /etc/fstab claims /data is mounting from, a
Oct 12 22:35:13 <johnflux__> oh, tools:src
Oct 12 22:35:19 <shmooz> lasserix: but I'm not sure if I'm going to keep my effect, it seems to be slowing down the overall scrolling
Oct 12 22:35:40 <shmooz> I guess I should only animate it when they initially load, not when scrolling
Oct 12 22:35:52 <obXiDeJSF> I feel like this is the wrong place, now that I read the motd, I am really sorry, I just took the advice of someone over at #android, should of checked myself. Sorry for wasting your time.
Oct 12 22:36:00 <SimonVT> obXiDeJSF: This is the wrong channel indeed
Oct 12 22:38:51 <shmooz> lasserix: I tweaked this one to be faster 200ms instead of 10001 as in the example ... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21728641/animate-adding-item-and-item-movement-in-listview-like-google-plus-app
Oct 12 22:42:50 <MikeWallaceDev> #### make completed successfully (05:36:25 (hh:mm:ss)) ####
Oct 12 22:43:05 <shmooz> make what?
Oct 12 22:43:33 <MikeWallaceDev> Android 4.4.4 :)  My first build... stock
Oct 12 22:45:53 <Darklust> Gah I hope you didn't watch the terminal output while that was occuring
Oct 12 22:46:19 <Darklust> Friend of mine went blind and insane
Oct 12 22:46:29 <MikeWallaceDev> not too much this time Darklust
Oct 12 22:46:41 <MikeWallaceDev> I've been trying to build for a week!
Oct 12 22:47:18 <shmooz> congratulations
Oct 12 22:47:47 <MikeWallaceDev> thanks :)
Oct 12 22:48:41 <ggVGc> I have an opengl app, and I would like to be able to render one extra frame before the activity goes into pause. is this possible? I.e can I get notified before onPause that I will be paused?
Oct 12 22:48:41 <MikeWallaceDev> I posted a few questions regarding the build failing. The reason it failed is unbelievable...
Oct 12 22:49:00 <shmooz> MikeWallaceDev: are you gonna make some app?
Oct 12 22:49:40 <MikeWallaceDev> shmooz, I made plenty... This is building Android itself. I needed it for a paper.
Oct 12 22:50:13 <shmooz> like a thesis ?
Oct 12 22:50:53 <MikeWallaceDev> just an article
Oct 12 22:51:29 <shmooz> what was the reason it was failing ?
Oct 12 22:51:48 <MikeWallaceDev> ready for this? ....
Oct 12 22:52:09 <MikeWallaceDev> because grep was returning colored values
Oct 12 22:52:47 <Darklust> ANSI?
Oct 12 22:53:03 <MikeWallaceDev> I have GREP_OPTIONS=--color=always
Oct 12 22:53:43 <MikeWallaceDev> and that made one of the generated files have incorrect values
Oct 12 22:57:42 <MikeWallaceDev> here is the question that I had on Stack Overflow
Oct 12 22:57:44 <MikeWallaceDev> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26283055/how-do-i-build-android-aosp
Oct 12 23:00:56 <shmooz> MikeWallaceDev: you should update it with the reason that you found so everyone knows
Oct 12 23:01:19 <MikeWallaceDev> duh.  Why do you think I have the link?  That's what I am doing now
Oct 12 23:01:53 <shmooz> ohh
Oct 12 23:03:00 <MikeWallaceDev> posted
Oct 12 23:03:11 <lasserix> shmooz: the key is to only invalidate past some delta that's like ~ row height
Oct 12 23:04:09 <lasserix> oh you are adding a bounce to incoming
Oct 12 23:05:43 <shmooz> lasserix: you could modify the 3DRotate code to have it rotated at the top and bottom depending how close to those edges it is
Oct 12 23:06:04 <shmooz> and magnify as well as it gets towards the center
Oct 12 23:07:47 <lasserix> yeah i have the latter effect
Oct 12 23:08:09 <shmooz> can you show me the relevant code to that ?
Oct 12 23:08:27 <shmooz> do you put it in your getView() ?
Oct 12 23:08:34 <lasserix> umm
Oct 12 23:08:46 <lasserix> i subclass the row
Oct 12 23:08:55 <lasserix> then in getview pass the center of the listview (y)
Oct 12 23:09:15 <lasserix> then in onDraw of the that row, calculate the scale based on the difference between the row's center Y and the listview's center Y
Oct 12 23:13:01 <shmooz> lasserix: how do you detect the current y position of item in getView ?
Oct 12 23:13:08 <lasserix> you dont
Oct 12 23:13:16 <lasserix> you pass the center into the row
Oct 12 23:13:35 <lasserix> in getview, then in ondraw of the row, do top + height / 2 to get row center y
Oct 12 23:13:50 <shmooz> hmm
Oct 12 23:14:35 <lasserix> then take the difference and apply some equation to get the appropiate scale and scale the canvas
Oct 12 23:14:38 <lasserix> or the textsize or whatever
Oct 12 23:15:25 <lasserix> but like i said the key is to use onScroll in the listview and do a delta so it only invalidates the views for some delta ~ row height otherwise it'll fire too much and cause sluggishness
Oct 12 23:16:54 <whatitis> is top+height/2 seems wrong unless top is always 0
Oct 12 23:17:02 <lasserix> ?
Oct 12 23:17:23 <whatitis> to get center of a row
Oct 12 23:17:26 <lasserix> getTop + (getHeight(() / 2)
Oct 12 23:17:32 <whatitis> youd do height/2
Oct 12 23:17:43 <lasserix> yeah
Oct 12 23:17:48 <whatitis> k
Oct 12 23:17:49 <lasserix> order of operations means the division happens first ;p
Oct 12 23:20:01 <shmooz> BEDMAS
Oct 12 23:20:04 <Agamemnus> I dun it.
Oct 12 23:20:20 <shmooz> oops you did it again
Oct 12 23:21:04 <draxdeveloper> hello
Oct 12 23:21:21 <shmooz> hi
Oct 12 23:21:27 <draxdeveloper> i need to import a eclipse project, i am using android studio
Oct 12 23:21:47 <draxdeveloper> but in the import options there is no option for eclipse
Oct 12 23:21:56 <shmooz> its right in the wizard
Oct 12 23:22:01 <draxdeveloper> just gradle and maven
Oct 12 23:22:29 <draxdeveloper> in the import project froma external model...
Oct 12 23:22:59 <draxdeveloper> i don't have configured eclipse in the machine, but i an taking a andorid class from coursera and this class is using eclipse
Oct 12 23:23:19 <shmooz> so use eclipse
Oct 12 23:23:35 <draxdeveloper> so i need to import a eclipse project, and studio just are giving me those two options, i chosse gradle?
Oct 12 23:24:09 <draxdeveloper> i was trying to not need to configure everything again -_- but this not seems a option afterall -_-
Oct 12 23:25:08 <shmooz> you can import without converting to gradle or whatever
Oct 12 23:25:26 <draxdeveloper> would not be broken?
Oct 12 23:25:29 <shmooz> it will nag you to port it to gradle though
Oct 12 23:26:39 <draxdeveloper> i had eclipse here, but installed it from apt get
Oct 12 23:27:06 <draxdeveloper> i think i will try to configure it, since i have the sdk tools here...
Oct 12 23:27:28 <shmooz> yes you should be familiar with what the school is using
Oct 12 23:27:47 <draxdeveloper> yes, also studio is getting me mad...
Oct 12 23:28:03 <draxdeveloper> take me a long time to make it just run a hello world app
Oct 12 23:30:01 <shmooz> from gradle to grave is not a very long time ;P
Oct 12 23:31:09 <draxdeveloper> i think google should have waited more
Oct 12 23:31:38 <draxdeveloper> maybe android studio have good potential, but now is not the time to throw studio on ours faces
Oct 12 23:32:17 <MikeWallaceDev> I've been using it since the day it came out, and it's fantastic!
Oct 12 23:32:33 <draxdeveloper> that's is the reason the professor don't want to use the studio, the course is up to date, so he knows that google is throwing studio on the developers, but he said that studio is still 2 much buggy
Oct 12 23:33:06 <draxdeveloper> i got stucked in the old version bug with a slow internet
Oct 12 23:33:44 <draxdeveloper> i can't say yet what a think, but you need a google on your side, yes you can fix fast any bug
Oct 12 23:33:50 <draxdeveloper> at least the most common ones
Oct 12 23:34:55 <draxdeveloper> but if you have 3 days to send a assigment and one of those days you just have a VERY slow internet and on the other days you just get in home at 18:00
Oct 12 23:35:42 <draxdeveloper> the studio would be a problem... This and the fact that the course will not help me on anything related to the studio bugs...
Oct 12 23:36:26 <shmooz> draxdeveloper: you can do IntelliJ IDEA, maybe it doesn't have the same bugs
Oct 12 23:36:38 <MikeWallaceDev> I won't say that there aren't any bugs, it's software after all. But I never have any problems with Android Studio
Oct 12 23:37:29 <g00s_> i think studio is OK for production use. it crashes on me here and there but nothing stopping work
Oct 12 23:37:44 <MikeWallaceDev> do you use a Mac g00s_ ?
Oct 12 23:37:57 <g00s_> it comes down to the build system - if that is broken, well then yeah you can't build. but its been pretty good these days
Oct 12 23:38:01 <g00s_> MikeWallaceDev yes
Oct 12 23:38:25 <MikeWallaceDev> g00s_, so far, everyone who said that it crashes is on Mac...
Oct 12 23:38:49 <MikeWallaceDev> (by so far, I mean since the last few days when I have been asking this question)
Oct 12 23:38:53 <g00s_> maybe something to do with the JVM we all use (apple)
Oct 12 23:39:08 <draxdeveloper> yes, now is kind of fixed...
Oct 12 23:39:30 <shmooz> for me everything worked fine until like version 0.6x and then I tried skipping to 0.8x but I got lazy
Oct 12 23:39:31 <draxdeveloper> i had some problems on the begging, but i am using opend jdk, so maybe this is the problem...
Oct 12 23:40:10 <draxdeveloper> but the problem now is that i need to import the project and even if the chances are slight
Oct 12 23:40:21 <draxdeveloper> i am aiming to the 50 bests of the cours
Oct 12 23:40:24 <draxdeveloper> course
Oct 12 23:40:47 <MikeWallaceDev> How big is your app draxdeveloper ?
Oct 12 23:40:54 <draxdeveloper> so i can't afford use a different ide and going against the course
Oct 12 23:41:01 <draxdeveloper> is not my app, is the course app
Oct 12 23:41:05 <g00s_> i also don't use NDK so not sure how thats all worked out
Oct 12 23:41:13 <draxdeveloper> the problem is
Oct 12 23:41:22 <draxdeveloper> i started the import wizard
Oct 12 23:41:38 <draxdeveloper> and don't have the eclipse external model as a option
Oct 12 23:41:44 <draxdeveloper> just gradle and maven
Oct 12 23:42:32 <draxdeveloper> when i have more time i will configure better studio, maybe it's give me a headstart :)
Oct 12 23:43:29 <draxdeveloper> but, now i just need to do a really simple assigment, but just have until tomorrow, and tomorrow i will work unitl 18:00... And will wake up 5:00... So yeah, no luck this time
Oct 12 23:49:13 <draxdeveloper> just to dream a little lol (because no way i think i would get on top 50 from 70.000 students), but amazon is a good place to work?
Oct 12 23:54:07 <Darklust> draxdeveloper: Too many blood-thirsty animals and diseases, but I heard the women are something to see
Oct 12 23:54:53 <Agamemnus> UNREAL
Oct 12 23:55:02 <Agamemnus> took me a few seconds
Oct 12 23:55:12 <Darklust> ;)
Oct 12 23:57:28 <draxdeveloper> well Darlust, you made this joke to a Brazilian, so well...
Oct 12 23:57:38 <draxdeveloper> But i saying amazon store uU
Oct 12 23:58:26 <draxdeveloper> in theory, the top 50 of this course will have their curriculum sended to amazon, don't know what they will do with this
Oct 12 23:59:37 <Agamemnus> They will go to the circular file at Amazon HQ.
Oct 13 00:00:33 <Agamemnus> Very heavy I/O.
Oct 13 00:13:44 <draxdeveloper> hum... But they said that this is a patnership of amazon and this course...
Oct 13 00:14:46 <draxdeveloper> Whatever lol, what is the difference between use the java generated R file and the xml file with @ ?
Oct 13 00:15:04 <draxdeveloper> in other words, when i should use each one of the methods?
Oct 13 00:17:06 <Agamemnus> no idea
Oct 13 00:17:13 <Agamemnus> i hate java
Oct 13 00:17:17 <draxdeveloper> -_-
Oct 13 00:17:57 <draxdeveloper> but you are a android dev right? is a needed evil lol
Oct 13 00:18:20 <Agamemnus> lil bit
Oct 13 00:19:26 <draxdeveloper> lil bit? android is java lol, you generete java files...
Oct 13 00:20:26 <Agamemnus> i'm a lil bit of an android dev, and yeah
Oct 13 00:20:32 <Agamemnus> i code in javascript mostly
Oct 13 00:29:03 <draxdeveloper> lost connection heer
Oct 13 00:29:06 <draxdeveloper> here
Oct 13 00:33:24 <Agamemnus> i see
Oct 13 00:34:33 <lasserix> Agamemnus: you tried playing with dart?
Oct 13 00:36:41 <Agamemnus> no
Oct 13 00:36:51 <Agamemnus> too many languages to shuffle around in my head
Oct 13 00:49:17 <draxdeveloper> hum... if i need that a activity starts another specified activity, how can i proceed?
Oct 13 00:49:33 <draxdeveloper> i can create an intent with the activity name?
Oct 13 00:50:01 <lasserix> use the power of the droid
Oct 13 00:50:11 <draxdeveloper> or i need to know what is the right intent type to the said activity
Oct 13 00:50:18 <draxdeveloper> what? power of droid?
Oct 13 00:50:25 <lasserix> the power of the droid
Oct 13 00:50:28 <lasserix> repeat after me
Oct 13 00:50:58 <Leeds> draxdeveloper: are both activities yours?
Oct 13 00:51:08 <lasserix> 'o Great and Holy lord of digits, master of autonomy and creator of all that is Android'
Oct 13 00:51:27 <draxdeveloper> yes, both activities are mine
Oct 13 00:51:43 <lasserix> 'Bestow upon your humble servent an activity started in the name of < your activity name > so that your will may be done'
Oct 13 00:52:04 <lasserix> draxdeveloper: are you starting B to get something for A ?
Oct 13 00:52:15 <draxdeveloper> yes
Oct 13 00:52:29 <draxdeveloper> there is a button on 1 that starts 2
Oct 13 00:52:38 <lasserix> then you probably want somethign called
Oct 13 00:52:44 <lasserix> startActivityForResult
Oct 13 00:52:54 <draxdeveloper> no, i don't need the results
Oct 13 00:52:58 <lasserix> o
Oct 13 00:53:00 <draxdeveloper> i know that makes no sense
Oct 13 00:53:07 <lasserix> then you can just do a normal activity
Oct 13 00:53:07 <draxdeveloper> but it1s just an exercise
Oct 13 00:53:09 <lasserix> intnt
Oct 13 00:53:21 <draxdeveloper> yes, but what i put on the intent?
Oct 13 00:53:39 <draxdeveloper> to direct the android to understand that i want to start the activity 2
Oct 13 00:54:06 <Leeds> basically just the activity name
Oct 13 00:54:24 <draxdeveloper> ok, that it's was my doubt, ty
Oct 13 00:54:44 <g00s_> Leeds did d.android.com drop off the face of the planet ? nobody seems to read it :)
Oct 13 00:54:56 <g00s_> maybe unavailable in most parts of the world :)
Oct 13 00:55:12 <draxdeveloper> Intent intent = ActivityTwo; ?
Oct 13 00:55:48 <Leeds> g00s_: docs are hard
Oct 13 00:57:02 <draxdeveloper> the intent documentation is huge and i got lost there @@
Oct 13 00:58:35 <Leeds> g00s_: so, docs are hard :)
Oct 13 00:59:01 <g00s_> there are a few spots in the docs that things are actually clear :)
Oct 13 00:59:45 <draxdeveloper> ah, i think i found it
Oct 13 01:00:13 <draxdeveloper> sorry about it, i need to finish it today lol
Oct 13 01:01:57 <draxdeveloper> i think the new Intent() part was missing... But all example are with the class extension, the class name is the same of the .java file right?
Oct 13 01:02:40 <Leeds> yup
Oct 13 01:03:26 <Leeds> that's the way Java works, right?
Oct 13 01:05:04 <draxdeveloper> yes, like i said i an axious because i have just a little time, even being something simple uu
Oct 13 01:06:28 <Leeds> yeah... one thing to know about getting help from random strangers online - your deadline isn't as important to us/them as it is to you
Oct 13 01:07:46 <lasserix> dead line ("due date")
Oct 13 01:07:52 <draxdeveloper> yeah i know, sorry
Oct 13 01:15:02 <dragorn> Leeds: I used to have a sign at $oldjob-2, "failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part".  People didn't like that sign. :P
Oct 13 01:15:19 <Leeds> heh
Oct 13 01:15:21 <dragorn> Leeds: I also had a sign that said "Stupid should hurt".  I didn't like that job.
Oct 13 01:15:28 <dragorn> I just found both signs today while cleaning my basement
Oct 13 01:16:00 <Leeds> sounds a bit like the guy who famously had a jar of rubber fingers on his desk - implicit "don't give me a reason to add yours"
Oct 13 01:16:24 <dragorn> Leeds: That job sucked. :P
Oct 13 01:25:22 <g00s_> my stupid PIA mac vpn client is leaking memory like hell
Oct 13 01:31:24 <poutine> Apparently the SettingsActivity generated by android studio uses lots of deprecated stuff, does anyone know of a guide to do things properly?
Oct 13 01:31:50 <g00s> i haven't looked at it, but deprecated on android means "there is a better way to do this"
Oct 13 01:31:59 <g00s> usually
Oct 13 01:32:12 <g00s> so son't sweat it
Oct 13 01:37:33 <draxdeveloper> i don't know if i should jump in studio yet... There are so much mixed reviews...
Oct 13 01:38:20 <draxdeveloper> and some buggy stuff, i just don't know yet if the bugs can compromise your app someway... I will need to do the long run to decide
Oct 13 01:38:26 <draxdeveloper> until then i will use both
Oct 13 01:41:24 <poutine> I've used eclipse to make a few apps, and this is my first time using it, and I've been able to put together a wear app and mobile app without any significant issues or show stopping bugs
Oct 13 01:55:01 <Fall> Studio was painfully annoying to setup
Oct 13 01:55:08 <Fall> I don't feel it's reayd for the big time yet
Oct 13 02:02:33 <g00s> anyone use groovy on android? i get the impression that instead of using the official google gradle plugin, i have to use theirs - which is a red flag
Oct 13 02:05:24 <lasserix> whats the action bar import for backwards compat?
Oct 13 02:05:50 <lasserix> draxdeveloper: intellij is the way to go
Oct 13 02:05:55 <lasserix> as is just a specialized form of it
Oct 13 02:06:46 <lasserix> goos what's the free icon resource you link?
Oct 13 02:07:15 <lasserix> flaticon?
Oct 13 02:08:44 <g00s> lasserix hm, there are a few
Oct 13 02:08:47 <g00s> noun project ?
Oct 13 02:09:05 <lasserix> feel like so many of those are liscence tho
Oct 13 02:16:39 <pfn> g00s, official plugins are overrated, when are you going. to get it
Oct 13 02:17:16 <pfn> g00s, no 3rd party language works well on the official plugin
Oct 13 02:18:40 <pfn> ugh, so full
Oct 13 02:37:30 <MartialLaw> When I publish a new APK for my app on the google play developer's console will it notify all users who downloaded my app previously that there is an update?
Oct 13 02:37:53 <pfn> and damn, no business class. on the flight home. tomorrow :(
Oct 13 02:38:13 <pfn> MartialLaw, only people who have it installed from play
Oct 13 02:38:26 <MartialLaw> pfn, they will be notified?
Oct 13 02:38:33 <MartialLaw> alright thnx
Oct 13 02:39:00 <pfn> have you not ever used android?
Oct 13 02:41:27 <g00s> MartialLaw the user can disable 'auto-update' for your app in play, but otherwise yeah
Oct 13 02:42:11 <ggVGc> I have a GLSurfaceView, and implement the onSurfaceDestroyed callback. At one point my app shows a popup, so the view gets paused, and upon resume my GL context seems to have been flushed(which I expect), but surfaceDestroyed is never called. should it not be? If so, what am I missing?
Oct 13 02:45:46 <ggVGc>   private static native void nativeOnStop();
Oct 13 02:45:46 <ggVGc>   private static native void appSetPaused(int paused);
Oct 13 02:54:27 <g00s> Zubits look ... handy
Oct 13 02:54:35 <g00s> or should i say footsy :)
Oct 13 02:56:26 <Darklust> Cheese
Oct 13 02:57:14 <Agamemnus> omnomnom
Oct 13 02:57:17 <Agamemnus> i overate
Oct 13 02:57:40 <g00s> lol, i just used the new play for 5 minutes and aleady found a bug
Oct 13 02:57:53 <Agamemnus> cheetos
Oct 13 02:57:58 <g00s> google really needs to step up their QA
Oct 13 02:58:00 <Agamemnus> the new play?
Oct 13 02:58:18 <Agamemnus> Play has been crashing for months on me
Oct 13 02:58:31 <Darklust> I haven't gotten the update yet
Oct 13 02:58:58 <Agamemnus> especially when you scroll down to my game
Oct 13 02:59:02 <Agamemnus> get to the screens
Oct 13 02:59:04 <Agamemnus> boom, cras
Oct 13 02:59:06 <Agamemnus> crash.
Oct 13 02:59:39 <Darklust> The puzzle? I didn't have an issue
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