**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 14 02:59:59 2014 Oct 14 03:08:27 how in the hell you are able to customize anything with this documentation http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html#prompt Oct 14 03:10:25 any one know if there's a ButterKnifey way to do setOnGroupExpandListener on an expandableListView? Oct 14 03:12:17 otherwise I guess I'll do it the ol' fashioned way :) Oct 14 03:13:41 there isn't Oct 14 03:14:18 no worries, thanks Oct 14 03:18:11 does propmt extends from a dialog or something? Oct 14 03:18:19 what are its attributes Oct 14 03:18:23 :/ Oct 14 03:20:20 cliffreich you have to look at the xml files for the most part Oct 14 03:20:37 attr.xml, styles.xml, themes.xml, etc Oct 14 03:21:05 which themselves will reference a bunch of other stuff, dimens, layouts, drawables, etc Oct 14 03:23:17 wait seems like its only the to use an indirect string Oct 14 03:23:37 thre* Oct 14 03:24:04 not like i can customize the spinner dialog or anything Oct 14 03:26:45 can i setup a layer for spinner ui items and other for dialog items? Oct 14 03:29:05 any LoaderCallbacks experts? Oct 14 03:29:33 Are there any good ways to intercept ALL requests from a webview? Oct 14 03:30:11 I have an activity that is loading a fragment that implements LoaderCallbacks, via fragmentManager.beginTransaction() Oct 14 03:30:31 I never get onLoadFinished Oct 14 03:30:50 then I read "Note that normally an application is not allowed to commit fragment transactions while in this call, since it can happen after an activity's state is saved" Oct 14 03:31:01 what alternatives do I have? Oct 14 03:34:57 if anyone knows the answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26352206/how-do-i-set-up-a-spinner-using-a-different-layer-for-spinner-items-and-another Oct 14 03:35:11 :) Oct 14 03:36:01 use booleans as state indicators and make the transaction in onPostResume and not in on Oct 14 03:36:14 onActivityResult* Oct 14 03:36:31 viperZ28 Oct 14 03:36:39 yes Oct 14 03:37:06 what i said, transactions in onPostResume Oct 14 03:37:38 hum, then put fragment element in layout resource file? Oct 14 03:38:27 you mean replace a view for a fragment? then yes Oct 14 03:38:31 all your fragment transactions Oct 14 03:38:45 so you wont have state loss issue Oct 14 03:39:11 will try that Oct 14 03:39:14 thanks Oct 14 03:44:27 Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this? I am trying to authenticate against a form based auth site, but it systematically returns a 403 saying I need to accept cookies. I have set the cookieStore, but it is always empty. I tried adding a get request first, doesn't work either. https://gist.github.com/SASDOE/5f10ed552ce90bc75e63 Oct 14 04:07:55 SASDOE if you set your cookie store properly you shouldn't need to do anything Oct 14 04:08:04 you shouldn't need to iterate over them, attach them to the request Oct 14 04:08:44 The problem is that the website seems to thing I am not accepting cookies Oct 14 04:08:55 well in the code you pasted you're not specifying a cookie store Oct 14 04:08:58 i'm not an expert on this - its been a while Oct 14 04:09:02 but you need to set a cookie store Oct 14 04:09:49 localContext.setAttribute(ClientContext.COOKIE_STORE, cookieStore); this is setting it. No? Oct 14 04:10:31 you should be using HttpUrlConnection not Apache client for one Oct 14 04:12:03 Ok well I'll try with that then, be back if I still have issues. Cheers Oct 14 04:12:38 any reason why you are using Default http client? Oct 14 04:12:58 Umm it worked for basic auth! Oct 14 04:13:41 http://developer.android.com/reference/java/net/HttpURLConnection.html Oct 14 04:13:46 read the section about cookies Oct 14 04:14:02 also, read this old article (from 3 years ago) about the difference between the two clients http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/09/androids-http-clients.html Oct 14 04:16:03 Cheers mate Oct 14 04:17:14 Jesse hates that post Oct 14 04:19:11 http://loopj.com/android-async-http/ Oct 14 04:19:18 ^ that is your new best friend Oct 14 04:20:12 persists cookies automatically in SharedPreferences Oct 14 04:20:24 Cool as well! Oct 14 04:20:27 is that even a good idea ? Oct 14 04:20:40 g00s: why not? Oct 14 04:21:09 it's fine Oct 14 04:22:28 man, i've rewritten so much stuff today Oct 14 04:22:37 it's crazy how shitty my code was 3 months ago :P Oct 14 04:24:41 it's kinda therapeutic, especially delete slabs of useless code :) Oct 14 04:25:02 best code is the code that isn't there :D Oct 14 04:25:06 lol Oct 14 04:25:10 actually, i added code :P Oct 14 04:25:18 ViewHolders Oct 14 04:25:38 no more 1000 findViewById() calls in getView() Oct 14 04:36:55 * Fall grins Oct 14 04:37:05 How can I go about detecting when an ACTV is open and showing results? Oct 14 04:40:45 hm, maybe one day i'll figure out the caveats of rx on android https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxAndroid/issues/12 Oct 14 04:40:58 so far most of this has been in my services, no need to worry afaik Oct 14 04:41:09 component lifecycle strikes again :) Oct 14 04:44:14 How do I get layout params if I want to return a textivew in the getView of an adapter? Oct 14 04:46:52 listview adapter? Oct 14 04:46:54 gridview adapter? Oct 14 04:47:00 whatever the adapter view is, thats the type of layout params you need Oct 14 04:50:01 lasserix_: hi Oct 14 04:52:42 g00s: easy fix: keep them out of the lifecycle Oct 14 04:53:35 JakeWharton the only thing from rxandroid that i've used so far, are the 2 schedulers ... do you use any of the other stuff ? Oct 14 04:53:46 i've only used the main thread one Oct 14 04:57:16 g00s viewobservables are nice Oct 14 04:58:51 hey niru Oct 14 04:58:54 listview Oct 14 04:59:08 JacobTabak: can you be more specific? Oct 14 04:59:25 ListView has its own layoutparams? Oct 14 04:59:58 what i need to check - i have a few hot observables in a bound service; activity.onStart subscribes those to a CompositeSubscription. activity.onStop removes the subscriptions. i have to make sure tere is no leak there Oct 14 05:00:05 lasserix_ AbsListView.LayoutParams Oct 14 05:03:23 lol man i spent all day trying to get robolectric to work with burst because i wanted to use it in a test, but there's no way i'm going to bother with integrating it into my project right now :\ Oct 14 05:03:33 funny how things like that work Oct 14 05:08:22 JacobTabak i get sidetracked too , only to find out mayb weeks later i'm off course :D Oct 14 05:08:36 such is curiosity Oct 14 05:08:51 maybe was worth it Oct 14 05:08:52 we'll see Oct 14 05:09:01 i learned how to debug apps with 2 different class loaders \o/ Oct 14 05:12:47 lasserix_: yesterday the compound view worked fine when I changed to findViewById Oct 14 05:13:34 I am trying with adding set methods for the views in the controller class and accessing them in the MainActivity Oct 14 05:14:26 But here problem is I am not able to see those methods through MainActivity Oct 14 05:17:53 cool Oct 14 05:18:57 lasserix_: sorry now I am able to see those methods :) Oct 14 05:19:14 I dont understand what was missing. Oct 14 05:19:43 I am writing a simplified clone of the old windowing system of the win32 api. I use bitmap controls ven for text. Can I use the standard input keyboard here? I would rather not write the whole android text input system again Oct 14 05:20:53 niru you probably used the wrong cast Oct 14 05:21:00 if you cast it linear layout you won't see them Oct 14 05:21:01 hmm Oct 14 05:22:37 Anohter thing; my debugger is very moody, does anyone know how to open a debug console in the IDE and write a "live debug log" too that? Oct 14 05:27:15 lasserix_: But I am only able to see the textviews Oct 14 05:27:24 http://pastebin.com/sJMR3Ufk Oct 14 05:27:25 make sure the access modifiers Oct 14 05:27:35 I think I have given visible=gone Oct 14 05:27:51 private TextView mtext; Oct 14 05:27:51 private EditText medittext; Oct 14 05:27:57 oh yeah Oct 14 05:28:01 that you were talking about code Oct 14 05:29:09 damn setTextSize causes lots of gc Oct 14 05:29:29 as many views I define in the activity_main that many rows get generated? Oct 14 05:29:45 This is so weird, i am getting gc like crazy, when setTextSize in a subclass textview Oct 14 05:29:50 *onDraw method Oct 14 05:30:18 isnt there a warning whenever you do anything in ondraw Oct 14 05:30:27 but i am just setting text size Oct 14 05:30:27 lasserix_ Can I override the draw method in a textview and still use the "built-in" text input "sytem"? Oct 14 05:30:28 no Oct 14 05:30:35 what? Oct 14 05:30:44 text input system? Oct 14 05:30:47 wtf are you talking about? Oct 14 05:30:53 but yeah Oct 14 05:30:54 lasserix_ Sorry, new to the API Oct 14 05:31:12 sorry your question makes no sense to me Oct 14 05:31:31 what does draw and input have to do? Oct 14 05:31:43 or i could generally say, as long as you call super? Oct 14 05:33:06 I will try harder: The "standrd" android keyboard (i know you can install several but for sinplicity), that I want to use, but I want to override all drawing methods as the "GUI" is to be used to a game. Oct 14 05:33:21 But yes, they dont really have anything to do with each other Oct 14 05:35:25 thanks lasserix_ its working in all sense now Oct 14 05:36:16 lasserix_ I assume that the "normal" control; textboxes, statics and so on are drawn with vector graphics as are all modern GUIs I know off, and I want to draw them using bitmaps that can be drawn very quickly by hardware blits. Oct 14 05:36:20 so whatever methods I need for a particular view I have to define them in the controller class only and just access them in MainActivity Oct 14 05:42:03 lasserix_: Oct 14 05:50:37 cph_dk: you want to replace the soft keyboard? Oct 14 05:50:48 niru you can define the methods whereever you want Oct 14 05:55:36 lasserix_: checkout the other tab Oct 14 06:25:34 there isnt xml designer other than the android studio one Oct 14 06:25:45 damn thing goes crazy and change values from other views Oct 14 06:56:36 i think i'm going to struggle with material design. even the basic stuff. like when i go into Play and scroll, the different papers move in a concerted but independent fashion - it doesn't even make sense to me. its like fucking with my brain, nothing in the real world would work like this. Oct 14 06:59:05 Which is funny, because material design is supposed to imitate an organic experience and feel more natural Oct 14 07:01:11 i'm skeptical, but maybe it will grow on me Oct 14 07:03:38 thats why it's called *organic* lol Oct 14 07:13:49 JesusFreke there ? Oct 14 07:16:20 hi all, I'm getting the following error while trying to get current gps location: http://pastebin.com/k8AD4Hf6 (the exception happens on line 28)...Any ideas how to solve it? Oct 14 07:28:00 java.lang.SecurityException: invalid package name: com.example.mypackage.test Oct 14 07:28:01 meital, did you look at the exception? SecurityException Oct 14 07:28:15 I didn't understand what it means Oct 14 07:28:44 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16176862/securityexception-when-calling-getlastknownlocation Oct 14 07:28:46 you are probably missing the permissions needed in your manifest Oct 14 07:28:47 google it Oct 14 07:29:11 I did and I read this link Oct 14 07:29:15 it's not the same issue Oct 14 07:29:17 yes Oct 14 07:29:22 did you add permissions? Oct 14 07:29:22 they are talking about "com.google.android.gms" Oct 14 07:29:25 yes Oct 14 07:29:33 are you using a custom rom? Oct 14 07:29:40 yes Oct 14 07:30:21 that could be it Oct 14 07:30:42 how do you think that it's related Oct 14 07:31:28 read the 3rd and 2nd to last comment under the question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16176862/securityexception-when-calling-getlastknownlocation Oct 14 07:32:57 I'll try running it on nexus in a sec, but I really don't think that this is the problem... Oct 14 07:34:29 they didn't say what the actual problem was Oct 14 07:34:36 it is a starting point Oct 14 07:36:30 ok, thanks Oct 14 07:38:43 same error on nexus Oct 14 07:43:37 iunno man Oct 14 07:43:57 you try changing the name? Oct 14 07:44:08 or starting a new blank project Oct 14 07:48:51 meital: pastebin your manifest Oct 14 07:55:07 or not, up to you Oct 14 07:59:00 Morning All Oct 14 08:00:16 Leeds: http://pastebin.com/wjbygHup Oct 14 08:03:51 What's a really typical way to get a user to click something without interrupting the workflow? Oct 14 08:03:58 I dont' want dialogs and all that shit ^^ Oct 14 08:04:14 meital: that's got a different package name in it... Oct 14 08:05:47 its possible to avoid that one activity ever goes to pause? just need it to destroy and recreate Oct 14 08:06:43 and create* Oct 14 08:08:13 Leeds: it's the same one, I modified it before sending it to you ;) Oct 14 08:08:29 well, good luck with that then... Oct 14 08:09:07 oh wait I did copy the wrong one :O Oct 14 08:20:55 hmm, learning about actionbarsherlock is fun Oct 14 08:21:36 ~fun? Oct 14 08:21:59 https://code.google.com/p/styled-action-bar/source/browse/trunk/res/menu/main_menu.xml Oct 14 08:22:12 basically the menu is tag is confusing Oct 14 08:22:56 I have been trying to include style and inside items inside it Oct 14 08:23:10 dammit quality of code decrease severely when i avoid to rest Oct 14 08:23:12 but I just learned that I have been trying it wrong Oct 14 08:23:16 or need more caffeine Oct 14 08:23:53 i thought sherlock isnt very useful now that android provides native backwards compativility Oct 14 08:23:58 bility* Oct 14 08:25:20 http://pastebin.com/CjZfzNUx Oct 14 08:25:39 so, all I wanted to add was a default background colour Oct 14 08:25:46 is it too much to ask Oct 14 08:28:51 is it possible to pass in two types of params to an Oct 14 08:28:54 AsyncTask Oct 14 08:29:46 hmm Oct 14 08:29:54 onats, no, it only takes one generic Params type - you'll have to make your own class to hold your params Oct 14 08:30:01 any good reliable ways to wait for layout in custom views? Oct 14 08:31:05 anyone know how i flatten a curve? Oct 14 08:31:27 AbigailBuccaneer: can I pass in arraylists to it? Oct 14 08:31:41 ie i am generating a scaling factor min-1 (min is greater than 0), the values decline too sharply, how can i flatten it? Oct 14 08:32:17 yeah onats, Params could be ArrayList Oct 14 08:32:29 (or, preferably, List) Oct 14 08:36:24 AbigailBuccaneer: it’s complaining I ahve to implement its doInBackground Oct 14 08:37:33 please ignore Oct 14 08:40:34 lasserix_: hammer and/or exercise is your friend depending where curve is Oct 14 08:40:35 lasserix_, that's a fairly generic question - what properties of the curve do you want to keep? Oct 14 08:40:54 hmm Oct 14 08:41:22 i mean, the easiest way to "flatten" a curve is to replace it with f(x) = 0, but intuitively that's probably not what you want :) Oct 14 08:42:17 if you apply a monotonically increasing function to the output of the curve - say sqrt(x), then it'll keep the sign of its derivative Oct 14 08:42:37 (ie. everywhere the original has peaks and troughs and inflections, so will the the new curve) Oct 14 08:42:47 basically i am trying to find a scaling function for Oct 14 08:43:10 the size of a dot on the face of a tube Oct 14 08:43:42 where orenitation the tube so that it revolves about an axis perp to your faces' forward vector Oct 14 08:44:02 and the greatest point (1) is at the center, so as the dot travels to the top or bottom (pole) it decreases Oct 14 08:44:36 maybe it's just because i haven't had breakfast yet but i really don't follow, lasserix_ Oct 14 08:44:38 right now i am just using the projection on the y axis as the ratio of the diff between the center and the relative position of the dot Oct 14 08:45:38 like if you had a bike tire, and you spun it so its axis of revolution is perpindicular to you Oct 14 08:45:45 and text was written on the rim, Oct 14 08:46:11 holding the tire in front of you so your eyes are coplaner with the center of the tire, so that the text on the rim closest to is the largest Oct 14 08:46:29 as you spin it the text goes farther away from you Oct 14 08:46:40 and decreases in size (relative to what you see) Oct 14 08:46:49 okay, i understand so far Oct 14 08:47:24 so like i said, project the point onto the y axis (its the up vector, z is into you, x is horizontal) Oct 14 08:47:34 take the abs diff between it and the center point Oct 14 08:47:53 then the ratio of that and the center point gives you 0 - 1 where values at the top and bottom become 0 and closer to the center become 1 Oct 14 08:47:57 but it's too steep Oct 14 08:49:54 oh this is the android dev Oct 14 08:49:54 heh Oct 14 08:50:01 it's for a list view i am trying to make circular Oct 14 08:50:05 looking Oct 14 08:50:28 yeah i did think this was a slightly odd channel to ask the question on, but it sounded fun :P Oct 14 08:51:37 oh Oct 14 08:51:41 i was asking in the math got confused Oct 14 08:51:53 which channel, but its for a listview to make it appear "circular" Oct 14 08:52:05 by which you mean cylindrical, right? Oct 14 08:52:06 anyways is there a way to do a Z rotate in canvas? Oct 14 08:52:08 yeah Oct 14 08:52:12 clindrical Oct 14 08:52:20 heheh, I got the background colour changed Oct 14 08:52:30 the activity's colour has changed Oct 14 08:52:54 and the area of actionbar where there is text or icon/drawable Oct 14 08:55:10 lasserix_, android.graphics.Canvas does deal with android.graphics.Matrix Oct 14 08:57:47 lasserix_, it looks like somebody's already solved this fairly elegantly :) https://github.com/renard314/ListView3d/blob/master/src/de/inovex/mtc/ListView3d.java Oct 14 08:58:39 solved something Oct 14 08:58:42 not what i need but it helps Oct 14 08:58:43 thanks Oct 14 08:58:47 fuck Oct 14 08:58:53 this is way too much work for this damn effect Oct 14 09:00:57 lasserix_, even if it's not the exact effect you want, it shows you a pretty nice strategy Oct 14 09:04:18 wot Oct 14 09:04:49 is there a good guide to code effects/graphic manipulation on android Oct 14 09:06:22 http://b2cloud.com.au/how-to-guides/3d-rotations-on-views/ Oct 14 09:07:43 something like that ty Oct 14 09:08:34 heh Oct 14 09:08:39 that was not direction at yo Oct 14 09:08:51 oh weird Oct 14 09:08:57 z is XY Oct 14 09:10:11 argh Oct 14 09:10:14 left handed system Oct 14 09:10:18 heh Oct 14 09:12:22 love it when you can dump a bunch of code because you switch the wya you do it Oct 14 09:12:30 no longer need to scale text if i just rotate it out o the visible plane Oct 14 09:13:31 Hello! Oct 14 09:15:01 pfn: Why do I still get this: "Failed to parse : must be an integer number or codename." ? I thought that this could be a string strating from 1.3.x? Oct 14 09:16:53 marrrk: where did you hear that it could be a string? Oct 14 09:17:14 Here: https://github.com/pfn/android-sdk-plugin Oct 14 09:17:17 L? Oct 14 09:17:21 hehh Oct 14 09:17:39 It says: minSdkVersion and targetSdkVersion are now SettingKey[String] and no longer SettingKey[Int] (support android-L) Oct 14 09:18:18 wha if its android-L Oct 14 09:18:22 are you writing scala? Oct 14 09:18:30 Yes Oct 14 09:21:39 yeah, you need to be clear about that up-front... someone else might be able to help Oct 14 09:22:30 say, pfn :) Oct 14 09:25:56 Okay, sorry I thought the "pfn:" at the beginning was enough to imply that :) Oct 14 09:28:14 I have another, more general question, though. How do I share data between fragments? I have this facebook session and I want it to be accessible in different fragments. Should I put it in the containing activity or can I pass it around in some other way? Oct 14 09:29:28 aaahhh, that feeling when your actionbar looks the way you want it to Oct 14 09:29:36 make a Facebook state manager and inject is as a dependency into all fragments that need it Oct 14 09:29:51 read about dependency injection if you don't know what I'm talking aout Oct 14 09:35:18 I am reading about this now. Oct 14 09:52:59 What would cause gradle not to include transitive dependencies? Oct 14 09:55:44 If you're depending in a specific packaging (e.g. if you've added @aar) Oct 14 09:56:16 why would that cause gradle to not include the dependencies? Oct 14 09:57:59 Ask those who made gradle Oct 14 09:58:56 Is the right way to explicitly set transitive=true for that dependency or is ther any other way? Oct 14 09:59:25 Is it possible to relase an update of your already published app but the update is only for say 4.+ devices ? Oct 14 09:59:37 While the old version remains for the older devices ? Oct 14 10:00:26 No idea, try it Oct 14 10:01:00 what if you use version detection for the new features Oct 14 10:01:34 I just had that issue back when gradle was new and aars was in addition to apklibs. Everyone moved to wars now anyway Oct 14 10:02:10 wars? Oct 14 10:02:12 for android? Oct 14 10:02:58 neredsenvy, yes Oct 14 10:03:03 It's just the UI I like the option of having FlowLayout but I guess I'll redo the layout with what was available in 2.3 I really don't have anything complex on the UI 2 buttons one is a gps even other opens a drop down list Oct 14 10:03:04 aars Oct 14 10:03:17 neredsenvy, even though, I think you need to do multi-apk release to keep the listing for older apps Oct 14 10:03:35 neredsenvy, you'll see the entry in apk list and those that are available for download will be shown as such Oct 14 10:03:51 Alright i'll give it a shot Oct 14 10:04:17 so, alternating the row layout (in a listview) can only be achieved using division by two operation ? ? Oct 14 10:05:16 Uhm, if you want every other layout to be different, that's the easiest way to do it, yes Oct 14 10:06:19 yup, alternate rows Oct 14 10:06:37 if (position % 2 == 0) { setDark} else {set light} Oct 14 10:06:38 done :) Oct 14 10:07:42 hello! anyone got experience with product flavours ? Oct 14 10:07:48 Are there any cool/hip/just not shit ORM libraries out there at the moment? D: Oct 14 10:08:06 want to install same apk twice on the same phone, but still got Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_CONFLICTING_PROVIDER] Oct 14 10:08:09 error Oct 14 10:09:55 Mavrik: I thought that pros might have some elegant solution :-P Oct 14 10:10:18 AlternateRowProducerFactory ;) Oct 14 10:10:38 :-P thats what I am talking about :-P Oct 14 10:10:39 which extends RowProducerFactory which extends ProducerFactory Oct 14 10:11:40 gordon_: multiple apps can't have the same content provider authorities Oct 14 10:17:12 SimonVT: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/applicationid-vs-packagename Oct 14 10:17:22 "With the new Android Gradle build system, you can easily build multiple different versions of your app; for example, you can build both a "free" version and a "pro" version of your app (using flavors), and these should have different packages in the Google Play store such that they can be installed and purchased separately, both installed at the same time, and so on. " Oct 14 10:17:57 I'm having an issue with ViewPager... I'm using one to display a gallery of items that can be either images or videos. The problem is that, because the ViewPager loads items up-front, I get the "Video loading" progress indicator on the image before the video. Unfortunately, setOffScreenPageLimit has a minimal value of 1, so I'm not sure how to prevent the video from loading in advance here Oct 14 10:19:14 gordon_: content provider authorities still have to be unique Oct 14 10:23:32 SimonVT: so it's impossible to install app twice ? Oct 14 10:23:57 what I want to achieve is, master build from google store and sometimes tests integration build on the same device Oct 14 10:24:04 No.. Just make sure they have their own content provider authority.. Oct 14 10:24:41 isnt possible by changing app package? Oct 14 10:24:42 Use two devices if you want to install the same app twice, or change the package name Oct 14 10:28:28 i wonder whats wrong Oct 14 10:29:23 SimonVT: thank you. I think I know how I can change it Oct 14 10:29:36 it's in AnroidManifest in section ? Oct 14 10:29:55 so i am tyring to build an interface where first there will be an image slideshow (using ViewPager for this) and a fixed chat box at the bottom. you can tap on the text box and write comments/chat messages that will start showing up below the viewpager. so I guess this will require scrolling hence my hierarchy is like this ScrollView > RelativeLayout > ViewPager + TextView - but ViewPager doesn't appears Oct 14 10:30:06 whats the right way to actually build this interface i wonder Oct 14 10:31:17 Yep, in the manifest. The content provider also uses it for uri matching Oct 14 10:31:28 has anyone used this app called hot or not? Oct 14 10:31:32 Doesn't ViewPager work with sliding/scrolling too, this is just a guess but your issue is probably that you're using 2 scrolling elements inside eachother shmoon Oct 14 10:31:34 =it has a similar interface Oct 14 10:31:38 shmoon probably by learning a bit more about it all and practice …. I mean what the relative layout for ? Oct 14 10:32:00 VnM: viewpager is horizontal scrolling, i am talking about the entire activity vertical scrolling Oct 14 10:32:31 StingRay_: i need multiple Views in the page, so wrapped them in a relativelayout and put in the scrollview since scrollview can have only 1 child Oct 14 10:32:54 ok yeah you really need some practice and less assumption Oct 14 10:33:24 viewpager > (page) viewGroup/scrollView +> many views Oct 14 10:34:15 I think that is more what you want…cause logically the way you have it…even if you could get it to work… it kinda means you want to horizontally scroll while keeping the previsou page vertical position when transitioning ... Oct 14 10:34:24 and not sure thats really what you want Oct 14 10:36:16 so in the page, first i want a slideshow of images. at the bottom there should be a chat box.if i swipe up with a nice transition the slideshow should go up and show me all the comments below the slideshow. Oct 14 10:36:40 slideshow has horizontall scrolling, entire thign has vertical scrolling and i want some nice transition when the swip up is done Oct 14 10:38:25 this is sort of what i want to achieve http://youtu.be/zumrT8abD5Y?t=1m28s Oct 14 10:38:28 in terms of UX Oct 14 10:39:10 btw Oct 14 10:39:16 if I'm doing some image filtering Oct 14 10:39:31 I need to use NDK or I can do something on java side? Oct 14 10:39:36 no experience in that field Oct 14 10:40:18 gordon_, I dont see why you could not do it in Java. Oct 14 10:40:58 memory Oct 14 10:41:04 with filtering I think it really depends on ,what,how and time constraints if RT Oct 14 10:41:05 well, I will try :) Oct 14 10:41:17 as to what to do and where Oct 14 10:41:56 if i create something usefull i will open source it Oct 14 10:42:09 maybe someone will add more options Oct 14 10:58:53 complicated shit Oct 14 10:58:57 apps arn't easy Oct 14 10:59:12 Life isn't easy! Oct 14 10:59:21 First app isn''t easy Oct 14 10:59:30 after that it gets a lot easier Oct 14 10:59:38 in my experience Oct 14 10:59:55 first app took me 6 months to make Oct 14 10:59:58 second app, 2 days Oct 14 11:00:32 shmoon, Oct 14 11:01:02 One of the shortest full fledged apps I built took 22 days from scratch to launch Oct 14 11:01:28 pifon: lol Oct 14 11:01:43 made more money on the second app than the first one Oct 14 11:01:51 so it wasnt shit either Oct 14 11:01:55 well Oct 14 11:02:11 i've spent 2 months on this and am thinking i have taken toooooo long, been depressed for the past few days due to this fact Oct 14 11:02:24 your first app? Oct 14 11:02:30 Then I worked for two product companies an observed one very annoying thing in both of them (then I started up) Oct 14 11:02:30 ya first mobile app, first android app. Oct 14 11:02:47 shmoon, wait, I'll send you something that will ease you Oct 14 11:02:54 how can I see the memory my app is hogging Oct 14 11:03:08 more like a benchmarking question Oct 14 11:03:09 yeah first app is the hardest becuase you have to figure out everything from scratch Oct 14 11:03:49 smallest of errors need hours of googline Oct 14 11:03:52 googling Oct 14 11:04:05 shmoon, 18weeks! http://www.kinvey.com/blog/2086/how-long-does-it-take-to-build-a-mobile-app Oct 14 11:04:26 Looney, There was a tool called LittleEye which would do that Oct 14 11:04:43 otherwise you've got to be pretty much of a data scientist to make sense of the things profiling returns :P Oct 14 11:05:17 hehehe, data scientist and yours truly Oct 14 11:05:19 :-P Oct 14 11:05:31 :P Oct 14 11:05:57 Is it only me who thinks profiling should have been easier on Android? Oct 14 11:06:10 heck, there are so many things that needed to be super easy but they aren't Oct 14 11:06:19 for example, custom fonts on TextViews Oct 14 11:08:10 Yeah just let us use Comic Sans! Oct 14 11:08:15 well, Google should've gone with C/C++ in lieu of Java Oct 14 11:08:35 but that is my opinion Oct 14 11:08:59 and here I am abusing Java to earn my bread and butter Oct 14 11:11:12 Looney, em Oct 14 11:11:14 Looney, Android Studio Oct 14 11:11:17 bottom right corner Oct 14 11:11:21 "Memory monitor" Oct 14 11:11:24 click on it. Oct 14 11:12:24