**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 20 02:59:59 2014 Oct 20 03:00:00 I was just going though disabling some libs and makes no diff Oct 20 03:01:39 I'm 100% sure that this is not the dex limit in my case as it happend when I added a new class and recyclerView lib, now I removed both and even disabled other libs, same thing Oct 20 03:02:33 gonna restart machine.. .cause this is just odd :( Oct 20 03:03:03 You broke everything Oct 20 03:04:43 The dex-limit thing is insane. Oct 20 03:05:05 How could anyone not have thought that would've been a bad idea up front? Oct 20 03:05:18 ha i'm sure they didnt think about it until it happened Oct 20 03:05:34 i'm sure they don't think about a lot of stuff until it happens :D Oct 20 03:05:46 yea but its sad how one bad decision Oct 20 03:05:52 It's kinda like the Y2K thing. "The world will never make it past 1999 anyway." Oct 20 03:06:06 it kinda didn't TacticalJoke Oct 20 03:06:18 so they were right about that one anyhow Oct 20 03:06:22 Dd the world end? Oct 20 03:06:23 great so restart does nothing :( Oct 20 03:06:23 Did* Oct 20 03:06:24 16 bit addressing... Oct 20 03:06:24 Well the fact that the limit is the highest a short int can be, I'd say it's a design flaw Oct 20 03:06:26 i mean c'mon Oct 20 03:06:32 that was really naive Oct 20 03:06:42 TacticalJoke yes, the world probably ended in the 80.s We're in a hyperobject. Oct 20 03:06:54 That would explain a lot. ;o Oct 20 03:07:10 sec StingRay_ ill get the fi Oct 20 03:07:11 fix Oct 20 03:07:27 I better sleep. Have a good time. :) Oct 20 03:07:43 in your android section of build.gradle for the module in question: dexOptions { jumboMode = true } Oct 20 03:08:01 g00s: nope, everything went poorly Oct 20 03:08:23 maqr come on, you can't tell me it was this tough setting up xcode :D Oct 20 03:08:31 although - provisioning a device is such a pita ! Oct 20 03:08:48 g00s: xcode is easier to get running, but it's unstable over time, and with big projects it gets worse and worse Oct 20 03:09:07 maqr so you came to android :D Oct 20 03:09:18 we'll talk again in a few months Oct 20 03:09:54 maqr also, btw - did you use the 32 or 64 bit emu ? Oct 20 03:10:05 i didn't even know there were both, but seems more luck on 32 bit Oct 20 03:10:12 g00s: tried both, neither works... i'm thinking about just waiting a few weeks and seeing if intel/google sort it out Oct 20 03:10:16 JacobTabak no diff Oct 20 03:10:28 #workedforme Oct 20 03:10:29 g00s: now that 10.10 is officially out, it might help Oct 20 03:10:39 like I said, there is no way I'm at 65k even with the new google services crap Oct 20 03:10:54 StingRay_ it might also be strings Oct 20 03:10:58 just try it ! Oct 20 03:11:02 DO EEET@ Oct 20 03:11:05 I jsut did Oct 20 03:11:09 same error Oct 20 03:11:54 dexOptions just go in the android{} yeah ? Oct 20 03:11:59 yes Oct 20 03:12:10 and the error you pasted is not the method limit thing Oct 20 03:12:32 JacobTabak is it the physical size of the apk ? Oct 20 03:12:41 dont know Oct 20 03:12:44 6.2mb Oct 20 03:12:47 like you can have 10 methods but 2 gazillion strings Oct 20 03:13:03 man, my app is like 382k Oct 20 03:13:07 wtf did you do ! Oct 20 03:13:23 all the silly libs Oct 20 03:13:32 dingleberries strike again Oct 20 03:13:34 g services blaa blaaa Oct 20 03:13:55 http://pastebin.com/xnnAQWYV Oct 20 03:13:58 exact error Oct 20 03:14:12 StingRay_ can i see your dependency { } block Oct 20 03:14:32 hmm, --force-jumbo right there Oct 20 03:15:22 or gradle --dependencies ftw Oct 20 03:15:29 StingRay_ ^^^ Oct 20 03:15:44 ? Oct 20 03:15:52 are you using gradle ? Oct 20 03:15:59 yeah Oct 20 03:16:09 so gradle --dependencies >> pastebin Oct 20 03:16:11 dont know much about it all yet, but yes Oct 20 03:17:39 http://pastebin.com/e1x0RJwB Oct 20 03:18:17 oh Oct 20 03:18:58 no, still cant be 65k limit Oct 20 03:19:06 though that force jumbo fixes that anyways ? Oct 20 03:19:27 StingRay_ again, gradle --dependencies ! Oct 20 03:19:34 btw, thats a lot of stuff Oct 20 03:19:46 wow i learned something today, gotta check out okio Oct 20 03:20:27 StingRay_ compile 'com.squareup:otto:+' Oct 20 03:20:29 lol Oct 20 03:20:33 pick a version, any version Oct 20 03:21:08 Why do you depend on okio-parent? Oct 20 03:21:21 yeah thats weird too Oct 20 03:22:05 StingRay_ and we don't know whats in libs/ Oct 20 03:22:51 StingRay_ also you say compile files('libs/commons-io-2.4.jar') Oct 20 03:22:59 but then you say all the things in libs at the end Oct 20 03:23:19 * g00s hands StingRay_ some bleach and a mop; time to clean up Oct 20 03:25:12 And commons-io is available in central Oct 20 03:26:15 StingRay_ you probably want to run $ gradle --dependencies to see how these, and the transitive deps, are all resolved Oct 20 03:34:33 ok yeah 65k limit Oct 20 03:34:49 great, so what does one do now ? Oct 20 03:36:45 wait - didn't you say "no way i'm at 65k" Oct 20 03:36:48 haha Oct 20 03:37:32 now that would be cool if in AS, you clicked on project structure -> dependencies, and it gave you a breakdown of the methods in each one Oct 20 03:37:33 well I think play services and drive etc are the killers Oct 20 03:37:43 thats like 20k Oct 20 03:37:56 thats amazing Oct 20 03:37:57 lol Oct 20 03:38:16 and now recyclerview and pallette that I was going to look at Oct 20 03:38:50 g00s: http://instagram.com/p/uRQX9Pm5Jp/ :D Oct 20 03:38:50 StingRay_ you can also read http://blog.osom.info/2014/10/multi-dex-to-rescue-from-infamous-65536.html Oct 20 03:39:22 JesusFreke is it organic or GMO ? Oct 20 03:39:47 thats doesn't look like something from god's green earth .. Oct 20 03:39:57 monsanto skunk works Oct 20 03:40:44 JesusFreke that reminds me of the asparaberry skit on saturday night live long ago Oct 20 03:40:59 don't watch SNL, so *shrug* :) Oct 20 03:42:00 JesusFreke there is a little update to ragel Oct 20 03:43:39 g00s: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (re: upgrading libraries :p) Oct 20 03:44:00 :) Oct 20 03:44:45 yo devs, do you stopPreview and release camera on each onPause and re-initialize onResume, or just stopPreview/startPreview on onPause/onResume? Oct 20 03:45:24 I'm doing a complete stopAndRelease() and reInitialize() on onPause/onResume and haven't noticed any issues. but the documentation said the camera initialization might be slower on some devices. Oct 20 03:47:04 g00s not sure I undestand the --multi-dex Oct 20 03:47:23 where exactly does that go in gradle script ? Oct 20 03:48:44 StingRay_ i haven't had to do it before Oct 20 03:51:41 bankai_au http://digg.com/video/supreme-court-dogs Oct 20 03:51:48 how's your scheduler go ? Oct 20 03:52:26 g00s: that's weird ... just weird Oct 20 03:52:58 bankai_au oh yeah, that. see, if i ignored all the new toys i'd probably be done with that ... Oct 20 03:53:09 but no ... Oct 20 04:12:26 multi dex is a really shitty solution Oct 20 04:14:44 is there any function in AS that gives you a breakdown of the method counts for your deps ? Oct 20 04:15:00 so you can at least be aware of whats going on Oct 20 04:15:08 no, but dx does Oct 20 04:17:26 pfn whats the alternative… not that I know how to do multi dex anyways Oct 20 04:17:38 StingRay_ get rid of crap Oct 20 04:17:54 so on phones with two sdcards, can you not enumerate thru external storages? Oct 20 04:18:09 g00s like what ? Oct 20 04:18:16 only you can decide Oct 20 04:18:21 oh wow, my app wont close with the back button and im not overriding onbackpressed Oct 20 04:18:32 I just see Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory(); but nothing about getExternalsStorages() type thing. Oct 20 04:18:36 even if i override with finish it wont Oct 20 04:18:38 cliffreich thats happened a few times to me using gmail Oct 20 04:18:45 like once in a while Oct 20 04:18:59 isn't that caused by doing too much work at the end of the activity lifecycle ? Oct 20 04:19:03 actually, some other apps too ... so i thought it was a framework glitch Oct 20 04:21:08 g00s well I can just not add recyclerView … but wanted to :( Oct 20 04:21:36 Oh, the framework is getting official, easy support for multi-dex-to-rescue-from-infamous. Oct 20 04:21:36 StingRay_ you have to know what the heavy hitters are; recyclerview probably isn't pushing you over the limit Oct 20 04:21:45 StingRay_, proguard Oct 20 04:22:01 WTF SwiftKey... Oct 20 04:22:16 weirdest autocorrect ever Oct 20 04:26:39 pfn will slow stuff massive though Oct 20 04:26:46 proguard everytime Oct 20 04:27:04 * pfn shrugs Oct 20 04:27:18 I proguard on every build Oct 20 04:28:17 you find it comparable to not ? Oct 20 04:29:11 hmmm http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/multidex/MultiDexApplication.html :( Oct 20 04:30:46 StingRay_, it doesn't actually run every single build, I have a complex cache system Oct 20 04:49:37 yay! I get to build a …hmmm nexus 5 or nexus 6…. decisions :( Oct 20 04:50:20 First world problems Oct 20 04:50:37 yeah, well 3D vis problem :) Oct 20 04:52:50 seems like sub-project aars don't need blank elements in the manifest any more Oct 20 04:53:17 i was overrinng finish in a small and non visible part of the code heheh Oct 20 04:54:02 g00s: wow I remember spending hours tracking down that gradle build error the first time it hit me... Oct 20 04:54:09 i guess some apps use that to avoid breaking I/O ops Oct 20 04:56:58 pfn: where do i find example of complex cache systems based on android Oct 20 04:58:28 my cache system it's so basic Oct 20 05:00:22 cliffreich pfn was on about build cache Oct 20 05:00:29 is that what you mean ? Oct 20 05:01:38 oh no... i meant app cache Oct 20 05:02:29 how come stack traces get truncated in ADB Oct 20 05:02:38 its dum Oct 20 05:02:44 oh Oct 20 05:02:49 i guess it's logcat 4000 char limit Oct 20 05:02:50 hmm Oct 20 05:02:54 i could fix that Oct 20 05:08:30 hi Oct 20 05:08:36 can someone help me with this Oct 20 05:08:36 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26367706/mediametadataretriever-getframeattime-return-first-frame-only Oct 20 05:11:52 molavy Oct 20 05:12:00 i think that api is just not very reliable Oct 20 05:14:18 i wonder why google only has one 'platform tools' but a bunch of prior build tools Oct 20 05:14:43 can't even go back to a known good config unless you backed up Oct 20 05:15:22 have you had a problem? Oct 20 05:16:31 i would roll everything back if i could Oct 20 05:17:06 i can always grab old gradle plugins, build tools, but not platform tools Oct 20 05:18:02 what problem ? Oct 20 05:19:23 Hi all Oct 20 05:19:36 I have few edittext fields sharing same id in the layout Oct 20 05:19:45 JacobTabak i keep having problems with adb Oct 20 05:19:49 more problems Oct 20 05:19:55 while I enter some data in one edittext the same data is getting entered in multiple locations Oct 20 05:19:55 is it the genymotion thing? Oct 20 05:19:57 more than usual, because its always a problem Oct 20 05:20:07 no with my fucking device Oct 20 05:20:14 do you have genymotion installed? Oct 20 05:20:20 atm no Oct 20 05:20:31 Why is it so. I tried android:saveWnabled="false" but its not working here Oct 20 05:20:46 i can't use genymotion for a lot of things, or the emu, because my project uses bluetooth Oct 20 05:20:57 g00s have you tried killall -9 adb Oct 20 05:21:00 niru, use different ids Oct 20 05:21:01 android:saveEnabled="false" Oct 20 05:21:03 of course :) Oct 20 05:21:29 i mean it always crashed. my crash logs fill up with adb shit Oct 20 05:22:01 due to some design constraints I have to go with same ids....as in future I will be getting more and more such fields and I cant go on adding them with different ids. Oct 20 05:22:29 niru, your design is wrong Oct 20 05:24:08 this is so lame android.os.TransactionTooLargeException Oct 20 05:24:10 :( Oct 20 05:24:20 damn parcel too big Oct 20 05:24:42 why would this api return 100 results Oct 20 05:24:44 thats dummmm Oct 20 05:25:56 gzip Oct 20 05:27:43 well it's interesting because theres no crash Oct 20 05:27:45 the process just dies Oct 20 05:28:23 took me a minute to clear the filter and put log on warn to find why Oct 20 05:29:57 seems rather hard to plan for this Oct 20 05:44:25 hm, in a gradle subproject, is rootProject.foo and rootProject.ext.foo equivalent for accessing extra properties of the rootProject ? Oct 20 05:48:52 Anyone use Android Studio on Mac? Oct 20 05:50:19 i do :( Oct 20 05:50:22 you are the only one Oct 20 05:51:01 you doing a survey thete? Oct 20 05:56:25 Hi there, this is doing my head in. ACTV only matches the first 3 characters, so if I type "mer", I get a few results beginning with mer, however if I continue typing to include "merry", and a result exists in the list, however it isn't showing Oct 20 06:00:05 did you match 3 or >=3 Oct 20 06:01:07 I'm not limiting :/ Oct 20 06:01:11 at least I don't know of any Oct 20 06:02:08 setThreshold is the number of characters before it starts displaying results Oct 20 06:02:18 the only configuration that relates to 3 lol Oct 20 06:02:31 I have a Filter in my Adapter Oct 20 06:18:41 post some code Oct 20 06:20:49 !seen Stingray_ Oct 20 06:20:52 Aw Oct 20 06:23:24 here's my filter: http://pastebin.com/bgYR2EZJ Oct 20 06:23:56 \ Oct 20 06:32:24 Fall, I see nothing obviously wrong with the code, but here are a few minor changes, might or might not help: http://pastebin.com/bMpayuPD Oct 20 06:34:22 Fall, actually better use this one, it's more optimized: http://pastebin.com/UxEDTqgY Oct 20 07:26:20 dagnabbit! Oct 20 07:26:59 Camera.Parameters.getFocusMode() returns infinity and Camera.Parameters.FOCUS_MODE_INFINITY returns infinity. Yes in an if statement matching the two, they do not match. Oct 20 07:31:59 asdasd Oct 20 07:32:02 Anyone use drawChild of listVIew? Oct 20 07:36:18 i have the licensing lib as im on beta testing Oct 20 07:36:28 anyone else had issues connecting to a SSLv3-disabled server using HttpsUrlConnection? TLS doesn't seem to work, but it throws an exception only once it falls back to SSLv3 and fails, which isn't very helpful :( Oct 20 07:36:28 should i remove license verification for a free app Oct 20 07:36:51 nvm maybe ill add a paid feature in the future, who knows Oct 20 07:48:44 I have a framelayout with wrap_content for width and height Oct 20 07:49:12 but it doesn't expand when I add an imageview with a larger width Oct 20 07:56:20 I'm finding some information on promotional codes on google play but I can't really find any relevant information as in if developers can create them for their apps and if so, how - and if not, how do they work? -.- Oct 20 07:56:38 any clues? Oct 20 08:00:31 hello guys, I just updated my libraries to api level 21, after update my project is not working Oct 20 08:00:38 I am getting com.android.dex.DexException: Cannot merge new index 66438 into a non-jumbo instruction! Oct 20 08:02:16 any idea on this guys ? Oct 20 08:04:11 how do I add an identifier to a view so I can check what kind it is in my code? should I just extend my own class from the view type or is there an even easier way? Oct 20 08:15:23 DarsVaeda, View view = findViewById(R.id.whatever); if (view instanceof WhateverView) ... Oct 20 08:15:48 basic java right there Oct 20 08:17:21 yes but I set the stuff programmatically so it has no specific id and there can be several instances of WhateverView Oct 20 08:17:48 has anyone updated to api 21 Oct 20 08:18:34 i think from some API you can set ID's Oct 20 08:19:37 DarsVaeda: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1714297/android-view-setidint-id-programmatically-how-to-avoid-id-conflicts Oct 20 08:19:49 not sure if it helps, but you can create ids programmatically in xml Oct 20 08:19:50 setId(lalala) Oct 20 08:20:04 sorry, wait, I meant, you can create ids in XML without attaching them to a view Oct 20 08:21:03 maybe I asked wrong... Oct 20 08:21:50 I have one edit text that I set in xml and I add several programmatically, but those contain different text and need to be treated differently in code so I need a way to identify them Oct 20 08:22:53 you need to maintain a list of references to these textviews? Oct 20 08:22:53 that stackoverflow has the way to create ids Oct 20 08:23:51 ArrayList myTextViews = new ArrayList ah right that would be an idea, thanks :) Oct 20 08:24:45 np <3 Oct 20 08:28:36 DarsVaeda, in that case assign them either to specific fields in your class, or to a HashMap and identify them by key (String) Oct 20 08:43:32 what's the point of LinearLayoutCompat? Hasn't LinearLayout been around forever? Oct 20 08:46:44 probably different defaults Oct 20 08:58:47 Anyone play with drawChild on listView? Oct 20 09:00:05 Does anyone know why AS seems to have stopped resolving my external dependencies since updating to 0.8.13? The editor throws up lots and lots of underlines, but it still compiles fine. Oct 20 09:08:37 ravilov: I think it can draw dividers or something. Oct 20 09:09:02 Estel: What is AS? Oct 20 09:09:56 marrrk: LinearLayout changed with ICS to include dividers Oct 20 09:10:18 Okay, so I guess I don't need to use the compat one, then. Oct 20 09:10:58 only if you want the dividers Oct 20 09:12:45 DrSkyLizard: Android Studio Oct 20 09:12:55 anyone knows how to use onKeyLongPress? Oct 20 09:14:57 ravilov, thanks I used an ArrayList with a custom object, worked fine Oct 20 09:19:41 just great Oct 20 09:19:51 setting targetsdk to 21 makes sure gradle doesn't find any android sdk classes. Oct 20 09:21:35 just goes to show it is unwise to jump ship the second a new sdk comes out Oct 20 09:21:46 so far I've only seen people having issues Oct 20 09:24:45 right. Oct 20 09:24:57 which is very useful when clients depend on you to ship versions that work with new OSes. :) Oct 20 09:25:55 er, if your app needs to support the latest and greates api that only just came out in order to even work... then you're in more trouble than I thought :p Oct 20 09:26:57 It's not necessarily hasty if you're creating a branch to start Material-ifying an existing app either :P Oct 20 09:28:52 ravilov, hmm, dunno, I think my clients like the fact that our libraries work when new hardware architecture arrives Oct 20 09:29:01 they pay us alot for it and I think it's reasonable :) Oct 20 09:31:43 also the fact that CI coverage is broken in SDK 19 annoys me to no end Oct 20 09:48:41 I have an activity with a Nav Drawer. I want to switch between 2 fragments. Should I keep a reference to the fragments in the NavDrawerActivity or should I be retrieving them from the fragment manager using tags/id? Oct 20 09:54:22 Clockworkant: the second option sounds more reasonable to me Oct 20 09:54:54 marrrk: I've found someone trying to implment the same thing http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22713128/how-can-i-switch-between-two-fragments-without-recreating-the-fragments-each-ti Oct 20 09:55:31 Just all options seem pretty dirty, where you have to hang on to the current fragment yourself rather than request it from the fragment manager Oct 20 09:55:37 Clockworkant: Why are you afraid of recreating them in the first place? Oct 20 09:57:17 good question, they have nested fragments (tablet app) and quite a bit of state I didnt really want to persist Oct 20 09:58:41 I'm also having an issue where I don't think they are being destroyed. Getting a duplicate ID issue when I replace a fragment Oct 20 09:59:49 marrrk: Do you need to do anything special to destroy a fragment when calling replace? Oct 20 10:00:55 not that I know of, I learned yesterday though, that the FragmentManager transactions are not synchronous so you could run into trouble there I suppose Oct 20 10:01:21 ha! seriously? Ok that might explain some things Oct 20 10:05:11 marrrk: in your experience with fragments, have you used nested fragments? The docs for 4.2 say not to declare them in xml, I wondered if this is still true in 4.3 Oct 20 10:05:47 I don't remember if I've used any nested fragments. Can't think of a particular use case for them now either. Oct 20 10:06:53 I like nested fragments for modularising my layouts into different sections with different responsibilities. (Tablet app with 3 separate sections) Oct 20 10:21:24 Should I worry about swipe tabs being between completely different parts of the app, rather than just different aspects on basically the same data set? Oct 20 10:23:45 The design guidelines definitely suggest that swipe-tab views should be semantically related (like in the Play Store app), but there are almost no examples out there any more of tabs without swiping Oct 20 10:23:45 marrrk: a good example of nested fragments would be a Fragment that contains a ViewPager and each page is also a Fragment Oct 20 10:24:42 Clockworkant, Napalm both good examples. Oct 20 10:25:49 I'm trying to add onKeyLongPress to the SoftKeyboard sample... should I modify something here before calling startTracking() ? https://gitorious.org/0xdroid/development/source/7b53e3937797ee1eea71c6291bdcd58cb9dedf7a:samples/SoftKeyboard/src/com/example/android/softkeyboard/SoftKeyboard.java#L462 Oct 20 10:45:57 android.support.multidex.MultiDexApplication is a thing now? :D :D :D Oct 20 10:47:11 Based on this nested layout being declared in code, I'm rethinking my modularisation strategy! marrrk Napalm Oct 20 10:47:30 You method hoarder Estel! Oct 20 10:47:55 Estel: see \extras\android\support\multidex\library Oct 20 10:48:16 Yep, going to try integrate it. Oct 20 10:55:15 Estel: dont be fools by the docs. multi-dex will wont work on APIv4.. it simply compiles against it you need a min Android Version of 2.1 to use multi-dex Oct 20 10:55:46 Fortunately I'm living in a post ICS world Oct 20 10:55:54 the hell is multidex Oct 20 10:56:08 alright fellow nerds, 4:3 or 16:9 for taking pictures. Which would you prefer? Oct 20 10:56:37 I'm leaning towards picking a 16:9 resolution if available and if not, the biggest 4:3. Oct 20 10:59:03 no one with any suggestions? Oct 20 11:01:16 B0BBY: 1:1 Oct 20 11:01:31 lol yeah, BlackBerry ftw! Oct 20 11:01:43 VnM_: No. Medium Format Oct 20 11:02:49 Unfortunately the cameras using it are quite expensive: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Medium-Format-Digital-Cameras/ci/16734/N/4259332394 Oct 20 11:03:49 Oh crap. I just realised that the Hasselblad MF digial cameras are actually 4:# Oct 20 11:03:50 4:3 Oct 20 11:03:55 Well that sucks. Oct 20 11:04:01 Shiiiit, just get a BlackBerry Passport, cheaper! Oct 20 11:04:29 Or a medium format _film_ camera. Those have full 1:1 Oct 20 11:05:29 loke: well, my front facing camera support 1:1. but it's an odd looking format. A complete square. especially when viewing surfaces are typically 16:9 increasingly, and 4:3 if not 16:0 Oct 20 11:05:34 *16:9. Oct 20 11:06:04 Personally, I use Olympus cameras which are 4:3 natively, so that's what I generally use. Oct 20 11:06:27 I really like the 1:1 format though and would definitely use it if my cmarea had such a sensor. Oct 20 11:06:40 16:9 is way too wide Oct 20 11:07:13 Essentially. Use what your camera uses natively. If you want to crop, you can do that in post-prod later. Oct 20 11:07:20 isn't a traditional photo 3:2 Oct 20 11:07:35 Chainfire: Depends on what you mean by "traiditional". Oct 20 11:07:47 Chainfire: The most traditional is large format, which is square Oct 20 11:08:01 Chainfire: Medium format film is also 1:1. Oct 20 11:08:17 loke: so my camera app will by default pick the biggest 16:9, if not the biggest 4:3. But only if nothign is saved in config. You can certainly pick one from the settings and it will use that from that point. Oct 20 11:08:45 Chainfire: You're probably thinking of 35mm, which is 22:16 Oct 20 11:09:45 my note2 front facing camera picked the biggest 4:3. so did the back one. Oct 20 11:09:47 (that's like 8:6) Oct 20 11:10:04 meaning the android camera apps that comes stock on the phone. Oct 20 11:10:04 oh wait. that's 4:3, isn't it :-) Oct 20 11:10:17 heh, fractional reduction is always fun. Oct 20 11:10:55 actually 22:16 becomes 11:8 (11 is a prime) Oct 20 11:11:53 oh, well, there you go. them 35mm creators weren't fooling around. Oct 20 11:12:50 Yeah, and I'm a moron. I was looking up the 32mm movie format. Stills are 36:24 (which, indeed, is equal to 3:2) Oct 20 11:14:50 Obviously, large format is where it's at. I wonder when we'll see a 5x8 digital sensor :-) Oct 20 11:14:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_format_(photography)#mediaviewer/File:35mm_MF_LF_Comparison.svg Oct 20 11:15:03 see I was right all along ;) Oct 20 11:15:12 Chainfire: Well, yes. Oct 20 11:15:24 You're the best Oct 20 11:15:24 Chainfire: Except that part where you said "traditional" :-) Oct 20 11:15:35 medium and large formats though, are these still far ahead quality wise vs the latest full frame DSLRs? Oct 20 11:15:45 Chainfire: Yes. By far Oct 20 11:16:04 wtf Oct 20 11:16:07 why is rect final Oct 20 11:16:09 damn Oct 20 11:16:13 Well, there are no off-the-shelf large format digitals. The only ones I've heard about are use in large telescopes Oct 20 11:16:31 I haven't even ever seen an MF in real life Oct 20 11:16:41 Chainfire: I have. In a store Oct 20 11:17:03 Chainfire: But a good one will set you back at least 10k USD, without a lens Oct 20 11:17:13 lasserix> final and hide, Google's favorite keywords, and my least favorite ... :P Oct 20 11:18:01 what do MF lenses go far? multiple thousands as well? Oct 20 11:18:31 Get the H5D-60, only 34500 USD Oct 20 11:18:34 no lens Oct 20 11:18:34 I'm trying to make a (divisible) currency in my app (for in-game item purchase etc) and I'd like users to be able to buy quantities of this currency using in-app billing. It appears that the only way that this would work is to manage this by myself and to buy a managed product and then immediately consume it, so that it can be purchased again. Is there a better way to do this, or some common practice that is different? Oct 20 11:19:19 nb-ben: You want to make a pay-to-win game? Sorry. You're dead to me. Oct 20 11:19:42 (and yes, I realise that was a trollish thing to say. Please don't reply) Oct 20 11:20:09 the logic is written. let's see how it plays out. :) Oct 20 11:20:12 loke: well, given the information that I gave to you, it's possible that the purchasable items are limited to cosmetics only (skins, clothing etc). Wouldn't that be fine? Oct 20 11:20:32 nb-ben: Yes it would. Hence, my immediate apology Oct 20 11:20:40 I'm not usually a troll. Oct 20 11:20:57 How can I get TextWatcher to only call a function when text has actually been edited? At the moment I am using afterTextChanged, and it is called even when just focusing the EditText. Oct 20 11:21:22 who'dathunk, it would take two whole days to get a complete camera app going. thought it was like a 4hr job or something. eh Oct 20 11:22:53 barq: Are you using EditText? Oct 20 11:23:05 Yes, I am. Oct 20 11:23:12 chainfire, well i typically will write a lot of stuff just in java, using dummy classes filling in for android stuff.. but why is rect final? ... yeah indeed! Oct 20 11:23:27 barq: it's been a while, but wouldn't you be using TextView.OnEditorActionListener Oct 20 11:24:12 TextWatcher is standard android Oct 20 11:24:16 not deprecated either Oct 20 11:24:36 barq: or TextView.onTextChanged Oct 20 11:24:37 yeah thats the thing... debates I've seen going on since I started coding many years ago: from a design perspective, there are reasons to make things final. from a practical perspective, these reasons almost always end up being shortsighted and wrong Oct 20 11:25:26 Chainfire: Another proof of this is that languages that have the "strongest" object oritentation doesn't hide data at all Oct 20 11:26:13 A lot of things are final in Android because early versions of Dalvik had such horrible optimisers. Oct 20 11:26:24 object orientation and information hiding aren't really exclusive Oct 20 11:26:45 it's more about static/dynamic typing Oct 20 11:26:46 nb-ben: my point exactly Oct 20 11:27:09 most statically typed languages try to provide you with means of encapsulation Oct 20 11:27:26 Old documentation recommended against using accessor methods, and collections in favour of static arrays because method calls were so slow Oct 20 11:27:38 Only final methods were inlined Oct 20 11:27:58 that makes me uneasy Oct 20 11:28:11 Chainfire: all of this is changed now Oct 20 11:28:36 Chainfire: you can do most previously evil things without guilt now Oct 20 11:28:37 on one hand a performance issue with the interpreter makes you want to change your code because of the practical reasons, on the other hand its not something you should need to worry about Oct 20 11:28:46 *shouldnt Oct 20 11:28:51 yeah well Oct 20 11:29:00 you can still find ancient-isms in my code these days Oct 20 11:29:03 Chainfire: I would still not favor performance over correctness Oct 20 11:29:11 Chainfire: Well yeah. It was incredibly shortsighted Oct 20 11:29:22 Chainfire: even if method calls were introducing overhead Oct 20 11:29:33 oh I agree, unless there's really no other way Oct 20 11:29:43 if its slow to the point that it becomes bad UX Oct 20 11:29:53 nb-ben: Agree. My early Android code completely ignored those advice, and guess what? That code is a lot better today than the ones that did :-) Oct 20 11:29:56 then pragmatism must take over Oct 20 11:30:08 Chainfire: the other way is to not make an investment until the thing is sane Oct 20 11:30:28 Chainfire: if I am making code that I know will need to be replaced in a year from now, I will simply not write it Oct 20 11:30:47 I write a lot of code that will need to be replaced in a year. But if I don't, I make less money. Easy choice Oct 20 11:31:28 Chainfire: it's like if you smoke you feel better, but the same thing keeps you from feeling better by default Oct 20 11:31:33 Anyway. Bye now. I'm heading home Oct 20 11:31:35 thank you floating point math! Oct 20 11:32:38