**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 22 03:00:01 2014
Oct 22 03:05:25 <whatitis> goos, its always been the same, to change a theme dynamically on launch you do it before setcontentview right?
Oct 22 03:08:14 <g00s> whatitis yes - before appcompat - I call setTheme() before setContentView().
Oct 22 03:08:53 <g00s> if you don't theme the activity in the AndroidManifest, now with appcompat, you have to call setTheme() before super.onCreate also
Oct 22 03:09:08 <g00s> no biggy
Oct 22 03:13:05 <g00s> what do you guys recommend for PreferenceActivity + Theme.Appcompat ? it looks f'd up, so just use Holo < 21 and Material >= 21 ?
Oct 22 03:14:15 <pfn> g00s, you should always have a default theme
Oct 22 03:15:06 <g00s> pfn strange, if i set light in the manifest and then setTheme(dark) in onCreate, I got "flicker"
Oct 22 03:16:13 <g00s> thats why i left it out of the manifest, and just setTheme light or dark in onCreate
Oct 22 03:18:10 <pfn> of course
Oct 22 03:18:56 <pfn> window preview
Oct 22 03:19:14 <Mugwump101> hm?
Oct 22 03:20:42 <g00s> actually, my <application android:theme> sets windowDisablePrevue=true
Oct 22 03:21:11 <g00s> so there is a default theme, it just doest have a parent; and gets overriden in onCreate()
Oct 22 03:21:45 <g00s> so that prevented any flicker between the default theme and its opposite if it was set
Oct 22 03:23:44 <speakingcode-wor> no resource erros, no code erros.. still no R
Oct 22 03:26:20 <cliffreich_> oh well i managed to get everything working with appcompat. i guess a i hate google a little less now
Oct 22 03:26:27 <cliffreich_> and api 21
Oct 22 03:28:41 <g00s> cliffreich_ what feature of appcompat did you use ?
Oct 22 03:30:44 <cliffreich_> lucky me i could switch for the basic: drawer and actionbar. no toolbar yet. So nothing drastic
Oct 22 03:30:55 <cliffreich_> i wonder why the app icon/logo is hidden by default
Oct 22 03:31:07 <cliffreich_> had to change displayoptions or wont show
Oct 22 03:31:41 <cliffreich_> (on the actionbar)
Oct 22 03:31:57 <g00s> my textAppearance stuff is all messed up now
Oct 22 03:34:09 <Mugwump101> yay I got my drawables working. Sadly, this is the highlight of my day lol
Oct 22 03:35:18 <cliffreich_> from the actionbar?
Oct 22 03:36:03 <cliffreich_> mine too, i forgot that main style.xml couldnt have most of android: references... so it was some time there
Oct 22 03:37:42 <cliffreich_> now everything is appcompat
Oct 22 03:37:58 <cliffreich_> but i can handle it
Oct 22 03:40:51 <Mugwump101> cool
Oct 22 03:43:17 <g00s> is that google SO clone online yet ?
Oct 22 03:46:58 <tricknology> wot?
Oct 22 03:47:04 <Luminous_Dark> does anyone here use pgs4a or kivy to compile python code for android?
Oct 22 03:47:59 <StingRay_> Luminous_Dark dont think so, wrong place for that I think
Oct 22 03:48:16 <StingRay_> or rather not that I have ever caught anyone talking about :)
Oct 22 03:48:29 <Luminous_Dark> well, it is android development
Oct 22 03:49:14 <StingRay_> not common/normal though
Oct 22 03:49:40 <LucaRood> Hi, I would like to know how I could change my app's theme, at run time.
Oct 22 03:49:46 <LucaRood> I have already searched on google, but didn't quite get it, as I am really starting out at android development.
Oct 22 03:49:53 <LucaRood> I see I have to restart my activity, for the theme change to take effect, but I didn't understand how to do the theme change itself.
Oct 22 03:50:33 <StingRay_> LucaRood guessing here cause I dont use styles/themes but   setTheme() ?
Oct 22 03:51:10 <Luminous_Dark> anyway, I've only ever made an .apk with python, so I don't know how it is any other way.  Let's see if you can answer my question anyway.  It is the following: When I do some file IO, or more specifically, output, where is the file saved on my phone?
Oct 22 03:51:14 <barbs> anyone here seen this kind of stacktace before? http://pastebin.com/vXtjpFad
Oct 22 03:51:53 <barbs> I was using a viewpager and lots of views in one activity, I transitioned to the next activity and called onFinish(), and I can see that onDestroy() is getting called. When I go back, it crashes and throws that error :S
Oct 22 03:52:40 <StingRay_> Luminous_Dark you can read docs on storage at d.android.com
Oct 22 03:52:44 <LucaRood> StingRay_: Say I want to change themes on a button press, should I just put the setTheme() in the button press event?
Oct 22 03:53:09 <StingRay_> LucaRood I dont really have an opinion on where you do it :)
Oct 22 03:53:44 <LucaRood> StingRay_: Ok thanks :)
Oct 22 03:53:46 <Luminous_Dark> StingRay_ thanks
Oct 22 03:53:49 <LucaRood> I'll try it out
Oct 22 04:04:40 <StingRay_> barbs that is pretty explanatory though right ?
Oct 22 04:05:05 <barbs> nope!
Oct 22 04:05:48 <StingRay_> you know what a bitmap is ? you know you are using drawBitmap() ?
Oct 22 04:06:03 <StingRay_> and you know what recycle() is ?
Oct 22 04:06:20 <barbs> I do. but the activity shouldn't even be alive at that stage - I've destroyed it
Oct 22 04:06:30 <barbs> plus, there's no reference to my code in that stacktrace anywhere
Oct 22 04:07:10 <StingRay_> you have destroyed it ?
Oct 22 04:07:35 <barbs> yes. I call finish() on it, and I can see in the logs that it's being destroyed
Oct 22 04:08:19 <barbs> seems to only happen on the Nexus 5 as well. And if I change which activities are shown before that activity, I don't get the issue
Oct 22 04:08:58 <StingRay_> so you dont call recycle on any bitmap object ?
Oct 22 04:09:56 <barbs> nope
Oct 22 04:14:25 * cliffreich_ is a LinearLayoutCompat
Oct 22 04:18:40 <tricknology> someoen say bitmaps?
Oct 22 04:20:45 <StingRay_> funny term uses really, bit map as in map of pixels or silly windows bmp format :)
Oct 22 04:21:57 <tricknology> bmp
Oct 22 04:22:11 <tricknology> about to jump into writing a converter if I can't find one
Oct 22 04:22:23 <StingRay_> convertor ?
Oct 22 04:22:26 <tricknology> well.. I found one on github but it doesn't quite work
Oct 22 04:22:29 <StingRay_> er*
Oct 22 04:22:31 <tricknology> yes png to bmp
Oct 22 04:22:38 <tricknology> for use in Android
Oct 22 04:22:57 <tricknology> barbs:  If you call recycle() and later attempt to draw the bitmap, you will get the error: "Canvas: trying to use a recycled bitmap".
Oct 22 04:23:09 * StingRay_ is a fan of PNG, very versatile format 
Oct 22 04:23:29 <tricknology> StingRay_ me too, but in this instance I absolutely need a bmp
Oct 22 04:23:54 <tricknology> that or reqrite a portion of somoene elses SDK
Oct 22 04:24:01 <tricknology> rewrite*
Oct 22 04:24:14 <barbs> tricknology: yeah, I understand that. But I don't get why it's trying to draw any bitmaps at all - I destroyed the activity which has all the bitmaps in there
Oct 22 04:24:27 <tricknology> onResume()?
Oct 22 04:24:31 <tricknology> you mentioned a back button
Oct 22 04:24:56 <barbs> yeah, this is going back from the next activity
Oct 22 04:25:37 <barbs> are you suggesting it's calling onResume() on the first activity, even though it's been destroyed?
Oct 22 04:25:39 <tricknology> maybe write some log events in your onResume() and onPause() methods to make sure you are where you think you are on the activity stack
Oct 22 04:26:03 <tricknology> im ahving trouble understanding what the first activity is
Oct 22 04:26:51 <barbs> ok, so the first activity has a lot of UI elements, the user presses a button and it goes to the next activity and calls finish(), and I can see that ondestroy() is getting called in this case
Oct 22 04:27:00 <barbs> on the next activity, the user presses back, and that stacktrace is getting thrown
Oct 22 04:27:24 <tricknology> A1 <- A2?
Oct 22 04:29:18 <barbs> not sure what you mean there
Oct 22 04:30:14 <tricknology> you go back to activity 1 from activity 2/
Oct 22 04:30:44 <tricknology> check in your onDestory() method that isFinishing()
Oct 22 04:31:05 <tricknology> and make sure onResume() or onRestart() isn't being called
Oct 22 04:31:18 <barbs> I press back on Activity 2, and it seems to be doing *something* in Activity 1, but that's just a guess because the stacktrace doesn't reference my code.
Oct 22 04:31:18 <tricknology> maybe some kind of TAG with the activity name
Oct 22 04:31:33 <tricknology> I think it might be trying to inflate those views
Oct 22 04:31:40 <barbs> I'm guessing it's something to do with activity 1, cos it's got lots of images in it
Oct 22 04:31:44 <tricknology> which has had recycle() called on them
Oct 22 04:32:05 <tricknology> maybe see if you get GC messages in logcat
Oct 22 04:32:24 <tricknology> try and see, wouldn't hurt
Oct 22 04:32:53 <tricknology> i'm interested to see the activity lifecycle in this scenario
Oct 22 04:33:09 <tricknology> ...are you using fragments?
Oct 22 04:34:00 <tricknology> http://android-er.blogspot.com/2013/05/different-case-in-lifecycle-of-activity.html
Oct 22 04:35:25 <tricknology> so you finish() then go back.. onRestart() is called.. when onStart() then onResume() if it is an activity.  If destory() was called and your UI init method is in onCreate() then this would probably happen
Oct 22 04:35:58 <barbs> ahh, maybe that's what's happening...
Oct 22 04:36:17 <tricknology> try calling onStart() explicitly with try/catch in onResume()
Oct 22 04:36:28 <barbs> will have to check - unfortunately I can't seem to reproduce it, even though I didn't change anything :S
Oct 22 04:36:36 <barbs> thanks
Oct 22 04:36:43 <tricknology> catch the error and call your initUI() method, then call super.onResume()
Oct 22 04:36:49 <tricknology> aw bummer
Oct 22 04:36:55 <barbs> indeed!
Oct 22 04:37:02 <tricknology> it would be nice if you could because that's an interesting one
Oct 22 04:37:13 <tricknology> no device or just random?
Oct 22 04:37:48 <barbs> sorry what do you mean?
Oct 22 04:37:55 <barbs> it seems to only happen on the Nexus 5...
Oct 22 04:44:06 <tricknology> i mean do you have the nexus 5 to test
Oct 22 04:44:13 <tricknology> you said you can't reproduce it
Oct 22 04:44:29 <tricknology> so it's either random or you don't have the device
Oct 22 04:44:56 <barbs> so the bug was originally found on a real device, I don't have the real device, but I used a genymotion emulator and was able to reproduce it on that up to about half an hour ago :(
Oct 22 04:45:26 <tricknology> bug fixed? errrr....?
Oct 22 04:46:33 <barbs> haha, exactly ><
Oct 22 04:47:24 <tricknology> hey that android phone database parser dealy guy is.. well it's got the list from google once again but I haven't parsed the sob into the db, feel free to star it.. https://github.com/znwabudike/AndroidPhoneDatabase
Oct 22 04:48:21 <tricknology> you'll get as far as a long unparsed text list of devices
Oct 22 04:48:34 <tricknology> until I write a parser for the bufferedreader
Oct 22 04:54:58 <tricknology> http://pastebin.com/Xcgz6ZTK
Oct 22 04:55:02 <tricknology> paste of the output thus far
Oct 22 04:58:17 <g00s> anyone know what that bottom sheet is called seen here http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/10/21/a-look-at-google-drives-material-design-in-android-5-0-lollipop/
Oct 22 04:59:42 <StingRay_> sheet?
Oct 22 05:00:39 <g00s> yeah what looks like the old SlidingDrawer
Oct 22 05:00:59 <StingRay_> oh you mean from android beta ?
Oct 22 05:01:07 <StingRay_> and finalised in cupcake  :)
Oct 22 05:02:24 <StingRay_> google have a wicked way of implementing old and calling it new…that was the nav drawer right ? or options drawer or something like that
Oct 22 05:02:24 <JacobTabak> http://www.google.com/design/spec/components/bottom-sheets.html
Oct 22 05:02:26 <JacobTabak> g00s
Oct 22 05:02:28 <StingRay_> I forget the name
Oct 22 05:02:41 <JacobTabak> that what you looking for?
Oct 22 05:02:49 <JacobTabak> its literally called "bottom sheet"
Oct 22 05:03:06 <g00s> JacobTabak yes, thanks !
Oct 22 05:03:17 <StingRay_> it's the old UI component they ditched though ? what was it called ?
Oct 22 05:03:22 <StingRay_> pissing me off now
Oct 22 05:03:47 <g00s> SlidingDrawer
Oct 22 05:03:56 * g00s smacks StingRay_ in the head
Oct 22 05:03:59 <StingRay_> oh that was it ?
Oct 22 05:04:11 <g00s> JacobTabak is that in appcompat ?
Oct 22 05:04:39 <JacobTabak> i don't even think it's a native component
Oct 22 05:04:46 <JacobTabak> it's just a pattern you can implement
Oct 22 05:04:55 <g00s> oh its just some designer's halucination ?
Oct 22 05:04:58 <StingRay_> i think it's a horrid thing to use for what is shown there
Oct 22 05:05:10 <JacobTabak> StingRay_ hates everyone elses design, news at 12:00
Oct 22 05:05:13 <JacobTabak> ;)
Oct 22 05:05:17 <g00s> StingRay_ you think everything in material is horrid :D
Oct 22 05:05:23 <StingRay_> I dont actually
Oct 22 05:05:31 <g00s> lol JacobTabak
Oct 22 05:05:36 <StingRay_> but some of it makes no sense
Oct 22 05:05:49 <StingRay_> and some of it is totally horrid to the way a user would use it
Oct 22 05:06:35 <StingRay_> wait till I get to the visuals part of my app… I'll show you all   grrrr
Oct 22 05:07:18 <StingRay_> JacobTabak ever use gdrive api ?
Oct 22 05:07:34 <JacobTabak> briefly
Oct 22 05:07:39 <JacobTabak> a while back, not anything serious
Oct 22 05:07:49 <StingRay_> the new one right ?…oh not the new one then
Oct 22 05:07:58 <StingRay_> you used the web api wrapped thing ?
Oct 22 05:09:17 <JacobTabak> no
Oct 22 05:09:34 <g00s> StingRay_ are you under < 64k methods yet ?
Oct 22 05:10:00 <StingRay_> g00s thats what I'm attempting by using the gdrive api in play services
Oct 22 05:10:11 <StingRay_> so can take the old massive web wrapped  api out
Oct 22 05:10:27 <JacobTabak> o.O
Oct 22 05:10:33 <JacobTabak> how could anything be bigger than google play services
Oct 22 05:12:00 <tricknology> why < 64k methods?
Oct 22 05:14:23 <StingRay_> tricknology what do you mean why ? why is there a limit ? or "how" am I there already ?
Oct 22 05:14:25 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 22 05:17:09 <tricknology> why is there a limit?
Oct 22 05:17:34 <tricknology> not sure what app you're working so I can't really guage how many it should take.. and you're counting libs?
Oct 22 05:17:55 <StingRay_> oh, some int val dex thing, ask a programmer
Oct 22 05:18:24 <tricknology> you'r enot a programmer?
Oct 22 05:18:43 <StingRay_> barely
Oct 22 05:18:50 <StingRay_> artist/designer/vfx person
Oct 22 05:18:57 <tricknology> oh nice
Oct 22 05:19:08 <StingRay_> well no, attempting to be a programmer now though
Oct 22 05:19:10 <StingRay_> :)
Oct 22 05:19:13 <StingRay_> got bored
Oct 22 05:19:25 <tricknology> I'm an engineer, i got bored too
Oct 22 05:19:59 <StingRay_> you can only work on so much tv/film/games until it  does become quite boring
Oct 22 05:20:06 <StingRay_> suppose it's like that with anything
Oct 22 05:20:26 <tricknology> yeah, my heart was always in computers
Oct 22 05:21:58 <StingRay_> dam you apple for not making a good desktop expandable computer …. almost ordering a 2010-11 mac pro
Oct 22 05:22:44 <StingRay_> if apple ever made something like ATX form mid tower on i7 platform they would really take the market i think
Oct 22 05:24:10 <JacobTabak> then they wouldn't be able to charge 2x as much for repairs/upgarded components
Oct 22 05:25:35 <StingRay_> yeah suppose that would alter the who pricing dynamic they have currently
Oct 22 05:25:40 <g00s> i think also, if they have to make a choice between being 1mm thinner, and repearability because a socket makes it 1mm fatter, they go with the former out of "beauty"
Oct 22 05:26:01 <StingRay_> who=whole
Oct 22 05:26:45 <g00s> so is anyone using google helpouts yet ?
Oct 22 05:27:05 <g00s> poor commonsware guy, he's going to have to work hard to get all that reputation back :)
Oct 22 05:27:23 <tricknology>  does anyone know if there is a limit to the size of an array that String.split() can generate?
Oct 22 05:27:50 <tricknology> because I have this string... http://pastebin.com/vXtjpFad
Oct 22 05:27:52 <tricknology> and it's a monster
Oct 22 05:27:58 <tricknology> ooops
Oct 22 05:28:20 <tricknology> http://pastebin.com/Xcgz6ZTK
Oct 22 05:28:40 <StingRay_> thats no moon
Oct 22 05:29:04 <g00s> tricknology you wouldn't use string split for that, unless you did it line by line
Oct 22 05:29:12 <g00s> better off with a simple parser
Oct 22 05:29:50 <tricknology> was hoping for a shortcut :(
Oct 22 05:30:26 <g00s> seems like some weird data in that file too
Oct 22 05:31:02 <tricknology> eh?
Oct 22 05:31:14 <tricknology> data starts at line 9
Oct 22 05:31:35 <tricknology> this is actually a converted pdf
Oct 22 05:31:43 <tricknology> so i wouldn't be surprised
Oct 22 05:32:14 <g00s> like line 1928, wtf is that ?
Oct 22 05:32:21 <g00s> Germany (S9714/LIFETAB_S9714)
Oct 22 05:32:30 <g00s> anyhow, good luck :)
Oct 22 05:32:36 <tricknology> a device i guess lol
Oct 22 05:32:44 <tricknology> by Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd.
Oct 22 05:33:27 <g00s> Hon Hai made a product called Germany ? O.o
Oct 22 05:33:49 <tricknology> lol
Oct 22 05:33:51 <tricknology> http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Medion-Lifetab-S9714-Tablet.84487.0.html
Oct 22 05:33:55 <tricknology> well it is german
Oct 22 05:33:59 <g00s> i think some structure got lost
Oct 22 05:34:05 <tricknology> maybe that's what they submitted to google?
Oct 22 05:34:09 <tricknology> dawww :/
Oct 22 05:35:44 <tricknology> no! yay
Oct 22 05:35:48 <tricknology> check it: http://storage.googleapis.com/support-kms-prod/3A66AA84DBAE534708BE85706D1CFF3A4F80
Oct 22 05:36:18 <tricknology> apparently they made a device named Germany.. or so it says in google's supported device list
Oct 22 05:36:56 <tricknology> it looks like the only thing I have to worry about is multi-line devices
Oct 22 05:37:59 <StingRay_> 330 ?
Oct 22 05:38:07 <StingRay_> Vs 302 ?
Oct 22 05:38:30 <StingRay_> 249 ?  it's a mess
Oct 22 05:40:33 <tricknology> eh? lines?
Oct 22 05:40:56 <tricknology> *are those line numbers?
Oct 22 05:41:04 <StingRay_> yes
Oct 22 05:41:18 <StingRay_> I mean all the Asus then ASUS
Oct 22 05:41:26 <StingRay_> and so on and on and on with all the rest
Oct 22 05:42:30 <tricknology> that's exactly how it is on the PDF
Oct 22 05:42:37 <tricknology> nmf
Oct 22 05:43:04 <tricknology> that came from Google
Oct 22 05:43:20 <StingRay_> I would maybe do some trimming and fixing on it in something like coda
Oct 22 05:43:25 <StingRay_> before any real use
Oct 22 05:43:26 <tricknology> I just parsed it with PDFbox
Oct 22 05:43:31 <tricknology> hmm coda eh?
Oct 22 05:43:34 <pfn> g00s, no window preview makes your app look slow
Oct 22 05:44:02 <tricknology> pfn, the litte guy hiding in the menu button?
Oct 22 05:44:16 <g00s> pfn i don't notice any delay on modern stuff
Oct 22 05:44:50 <tricknology> StingRay_ what is coda?
Oct 22 05:45:15 <StingRay_> http://panic.com/coda/
Oct 22 05:45:24 <StingRay_> a nice text editor
Oct 22 05:51:22 <g00s> coda? no ... vimis fine and free :)
Oct 22 05:51:54 <g00s> dont need a beeeeuuutifuul pixel perfect editor for data munging
Oct 22 05:53:07 <pfn> vim is pixel perfect
Oct 22 05:59:37 <g00s> and on that note, emacs 24.4 is out :)
Oct 22 06:09:29 <Darklust> >Only $99
Oct 22 06:09:35 <Darklust> Hrm
Oct 22 06:16:46 <cliffreich_> does android studio uses the zip align automatically when i generate a signed apk?
Oct 22 06:18:08 <tricknology> I think it does
Oct 22 06:18:12 <tricknology> I remember reading something about it
Oct 22 06:21:49 <lasserix_> how do i use viewIsInEditMode?
Oct 22 06:22:07 <explodes> Hey there. So, I have a View with a background that is a selector. When "checked" the background is green, otherwise it is transparent, so it has "duplicateParentState=true". This view is a sub-view of View that is an individual item in a list.
Oct 22 06:22:19 <explodes> XML and Code: http://pastie.org/9666932
Oct 22 06:22:47 <explodes> When the code is called, the item's subview's state doesn't seem to change
Oct 22 06:23:00 <explodes> so, android:duplicateParentState="true" of a subview of a ListView-item isn't working, does it get snarfed by ListView's listSelector?
Oct 22 06:24:16 <cliffreich_> humm
Oct 22 06:25:02 <explodes> Oh god dammit
Oct 22 06:27:04 <cliffreich_> oh i didnt have zipalign in my gradle
Oct 22 06:27:59 <cliffreich_> aaand still the same size. i guess it did it
Oct 22 06:30:15 <explodes> Ok, so its still messed. I don't know what the problem. A sibling TextView has a selector for textColor and it is also not working
Oct 22 06:31:14 <explodes> does calling listView.setItemChecked(index, true) not update the "checked" state of a particular ListView's item?
Oct 22 06:34:59 <ravilov> does it not do that?
Oct 22 06:35:56 <explodes> f**** what?
Oct 22 06:36:08 <explodes> it modifies the "state_activated" flag instead of "state_checked"
Oct 22 06:36:16 <explodes> true story.
Oct 22 06:36:38 <explodes> <item android:color="@color/mint" android:state_activated="true"/> instead of <item android:color="@color/mint" android:state_checked="true"/> and it works.
Oct 22 06:37:47 <explodes> That was a fun 37 minutes
Oct 22 06:38:25 <cliffreich_> it happened to me with API 21. 12 hours were lost
Oct 22 06:39:00 <tricknology> 7196 devices in that list
Oct 22 06:39:17 <tricknology> wow, explodes
Oct 22 06:39:27 <cliffreich_> thats your min?
Oct 22 06:39:29 <lut4rp> o_o
Oct 22 06:39:29 <cliffreich_> whats*
Oct 22 06:40:12 <tricknology> @who?
Oct 22 06:40:14 <cliffreich_> trikonology whats your minsdk?
Oct 22 06:40:24 <tricknology> oh, for what?
Oct 22 06:40:25 <cliffreich_> i have 4785 devices
Oct 22 06:40:25 <tricknology> depends
Oct 22 06:40:34 <tricknology> 3.0 or 2.3
Oct 22 06:40:41 <tricknology> oooh
Oct 22 06:40:43 <tricknology> no no
Oct 22 06:40:52 <cliffreich_> im >14
Oct 22 06:40:52 <tricknology> i parsed the list of supported devices by google
Oct 22 06:41:03 <ravilov> the notorious "varires with device"?
Oct 22 06:41:22 <ravilov> oh nvm
Oct 22 06:41:56 <tricknology> https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1727131?hl=en found here
Oct 22 06:42:47 <tricknology> if there are tryle 7196 devices supported in the play store I'm in good shape
Oct 22 06:43:08 <tricknology> if it is useful at all to you guys.. what format would you prefer the table in?
Oct 22 06:43:16 <tricknology> CSV, sqlite?
Oct 22 06:43:24 <tricknology> both?
Oct 22 06:43:47 <ravilov> ALL THE FORMATS
Oct 22 06:44:05 <cliffreich_> i prefer the fastest or the easier so depends on the job
Oct 22 06:44:16 <tricknology> and where you will be using it
Oct 22 06:44:17 <ravilov> personally I'd prefer sqlite, everything else can be derived from that
Oct 22 06:44:39 <tricknology> well right now it is an ArrayList<AndroidDevice>
Oct 22 06:44:57 <tricknology> I can give it to you as a serializable if you want lol
Oct 22 06:45:13 <tricknology> half kidding..
Oct 22 06:45:32 <ravilov> yeah try encrypting it too, just for fun :p
Oct 22 06:45:38 <tricknology> going outside to ponder life
Oct 22 06:45:45 <tricknology> I'll only use a 3 digit key
Oct 22 07:18:22 <supay> wow
Oct 22 07:18:34 <supay> 7196 supported devices.. thats crazy
Oct 22 07:20:28 <tricknology> fragmentation, yo
Oct 22 07:20:51 <tricknology> but you gotta think.. a lot of countries have their own device manufacturers
Oct 22 07:21:14 <tricknology> there are so many on that list I haven't even heard of.. manufacturers, let alone models
Oct 22 07:21:24 <tricknology> that's when happens with open source
Oct 22 07:21:55 <tricknology> iOS controls the manufacture of their phone so it works with a few devies
Oct 22 07:22:17 <g00s> also Apple is less likely to permaban you for life for having too many keywords ...
Oct 22 07:22:30 <g00s> hmm, you know Appls is looking pretty good ;)
Oct 22 07:22:38 <tricknology> ha really? well damn
Oct 22 07:22:41 <g00s> tricknology is that list historical from the beginning of time ?
Oct 22 07:22:47 <tricknology> how many is too many?
Oct 22 07:22:57 <tricknology> no that is currently supported
Oct 22 07:23:12 <g00s> so at this very moment, 7196 devices, hm
Oct 22 07:23:17 <tricknology> I haven't checked to see if the list is accurate, lengthwise but yet
Oct 22 07:23:19 <tricknology> yes*
Oct 22 07:23:20 <g00s> and all of those have Play services ?
Oct 22 07:23:34 <tricknology> that list is from their website, ill grab the link
Oct 22 07:24:06 <tricknology> not sure if play services, but supported by play store, which would mean play services i guess
Oct 22 07:24:24 <tricknology> https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1727131?hl=en
Oct 22 07:24:45 <tricknology> it sure looks like 7k+
Oct 22 07:25:02 <tricknology> if the parser isn't perfect i might have missed like.. 10?
Oct 22 07:25:51 <g00s> BestBuy has a device O.o
Oct 22 07:25:55 <tricknology> anyway source is here - https://github.com/znwabudike/AndroidPhoneDatabase
Oct 22 07:26:01 <tricknology> haha yeah it tripped me out too
Oct 22 07:26:24 <tricknology> It is a java applet, mind you
Oct 22 07:26:46 <tricknology> aaand I haven't figured out maven so, unless the libs are in there the dependencies might be whack
Oct 22 07:27:36 <tricknology> looks liek they are though
Oct 22 07:28:25 <tricknology> g00s, do you have XP with GA?
Oct 22 07:28:37 <g00s> XP ?
Oct 22 07:28:44 <tricknology> experience
Oct 22 07:28:46 <g00s> GA?
Oct 22 07:28:53 <tricknology> google analytics
Oct 22 07:28:53 <Darklust> Georgia
Oct 22 07:28:57 <tricknology> lol
Oct 22 07:28:58 <Darklust> Welp
Oct 22 07:29:05 <g00s> tricknology no
Oct 22 07:29:15 <tricknology> okie dokey
Oct 22 07:29:54 <g00s> some of these are fucked up tricknology
Oct 22 07:30:02 <g00s> i mean, the listing
Oct 22 07:30:05 <g00s> Sugar
Oct 22 07:30:11 <g00s> sugar_aums
Oct 22 07:30:22 <g00s> The company was listed twice
Oct 22 07:30:40 <tricknology> oh yes
Oct 22 07:30:54 <tricknology> I noticed that.
Oct 22 07:31:05 <g00s> your pdf conversiont thing shoup put a * before the model, so you can know company vs models for sure
Oct 22 07:31:07 <tricknology> toshiba i think is the worst
Oct 22 07:31:28 <g00s> no wonder why these companies don't give a shit about updating their devices
Oct 22 07:31:47 <g00s> they have so many, they become just grains of sand on the beach
Oct 22 07:31:48 <tricknology> lol, so you see how many there are? look at Samsung Galazy S5
Oct 22 07:32:01 <tricknology> or Samsung in general
Oct 22 07:32:05 <g00s> lets update our 152 android devices ...
Oct 22 07:32:15 <tricknology> each carrier gets a different model too
Oct 22 07:32:25 <tricknology> each of those models isn't guaranteed to have the same hardware
Oct 22 07:32:40 <tricknology> ran into that with BT and Headphone jack
Oct 22 07:32:41 <g00s> tricknology but why were you doing this again :P
Oct 22 07:33:05 <tricknology> I want to know who has what type of phone, more than dev console can give me
Oct 22 07:33:17 <tricknology> which, from what I'm told, GA can do
Oct 22 07:33:19 <g00s> is that meaningful though?
Oct 22 07:33:36 <tricknology> it might be if I come across a problem liek BT or Headphone jack not working
Oct 22 07:33:38 <g00s> the data is too loose to be associated with more data
Oct 22 07:33:49 <tricknology> see how many devices exactly are affected
Oct 22 07:33:56 <g00s> nah, fuck it
Oct 22 07:34:05 <tricknology> I just need the model number... it comes from the phone
Oct 22 07:34:10 <tricknology> this is just to make it readable from me
Oct 22 07:34:19 <tricknology> for*
Oct 22 07:34:19 <g00s> but what are you going to do with it ?
Oct 22 07:34:26 <tricknology> make a pie chart or some shit
Oct 22 07:34:27 <g00s> once you get the model #
Oct 22 07:34:30 <tricknology> ooh
Oct 22 07:34:32 <g00s> some shit is right
Oct 22 07:34:35 <tricknology> send it to back end on login
Oct 22 07:34:43 <tricknology> store in db
Oct 22 07:34:53 <tricknology> let it sit until i need to generate a report
Oct 22 07:35:01 <g00s> with google smiting app devs , do you think thats a good idea ?
Oct 22 07:35:32 * tricknology chuckles
Oct 22 07:35:35 <tricknology> with that in mind, no
Oct 22 07:35:52 <tricknology> i mean, it's just the model number.  could be for version control
Oct 22 07:35:56 <tricknology> err DRM
Oct 22 07:36:03 <tricknology> fraud prevention
Oct 22 07:36:16 <tricknology> "hey that's not the device you normally use"
Oct 22 07:38:05 <tricknology> smiting.. that would be a good word for it..
Oct 22 07:39:53 <g00s> pfn so your SettingsActivity only takes one theme
Oct 22 07:40:12 <tricknology> how would I effectively compare somthign like "Taiwan Mobile" and "TaiwanMobile"
Oct 22 07:40:25 <tricknology> or "Sugar" and "sugar_amus"
Oct 22 07:40:27 <g00s> tricknology well, you could use 'edit distance'
Oct 22 07:40:39 <Darklust> Taiwan doesn't exisg
Oct 22 07:40:40 <g00s> among other things
Oct 22 07:40:44 <Darklust> exist*
Oct 22 07:41:03 <tricknology> well the company does
Oct 22 07:41:21 <Darklust> Just making sure we're clear
Oct 22 07:41:48 <tricknology> well do you mean exist as a state or what?
Oct 22 07:42:10 <Darklust> As anything country-related
Oct 22 07:42:11 <g00s> Darklust member of the 50 cent party ?
Oct 22 07:42:13 <tricknology> it is China for now
Oct 22 07:42:20 <Darklust> D:
Oct 22 07:42:24 * Darklust runs
Oct 22 07:43:13 <tricknology> ha, I googled that.. very interesting.
Oct 22 07:43:43 <tricknology> by some of the comments I see, i wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened here.
Oct 22 07:44:22 <g00s> pretty obvious i'm not on that camp :)
Oct 22 07:44:39 <tricknology> not here, i mean the internet in general
Oct 22 07:44:43 <tricknology> especially FB
Oct 22 07:44:47 <g00s> ahh
Oct 22 07:46:52 <supay> android studio or eclipse?
Oct 22 07:47:03 * tricknology runs
Oct 22 07:47:09 <supay> or does it depend on my level? (beginner or pro) ?
Oct 22 07:47:17 * Darklust slaps supay around a bit with a severed limb
Oct 22 07:47:23 <supay> lol
Oct 22 07:47:41 <tricknology> you will find more guides on Eclipse if you're new
Oct 22 07:48:17 <supay> ofc.. dev.android.com has articles written for Eclipse..
Oct 22 07:48:20 <tricknology> but also, you will have the pleasure of skipping Eclipse and using what's probably going to be the next standard IDE for Android
Oct 22 07:48:27 <supay> but ignoring that.. which one?
Oct 22 07:48:36 <supay> cool! :)
Oct 22 07:48:38 <tricknology> FWIH it's not /that/ different
Oct 22 07:48:55 <supay> i'll go with AS
Oct 22 07:48:59 <supay> tricknology: you're not a dev?
Oct 22 07:49:04 <tricknology> and your productivity will be better once you get used to it
Oct 22 07:49:08 <tricknology> i am
Oct 22 07:49:10 <supay> or have you just used one?
Oct 22 07:49:12 <supay> ah
Oct 22 07:49:14 <tricknology> but I don;t use AS
Oct 22 07:49:24 <supay> cool! :)
Oct 22 07:49:26 <supay> thanks
Oct 22 07:49:46 <tricknology> np
Oct 22 07:49:52 <tricknology> also maybe look into IntelliJ
Oct 22 07:50:26 <g00s> supay emacs 24.4 came out, may as well look at that too
Oct 22 07:50:30 <tricknology> ...which I am now downloading
Oct 22 07:50:38 <supay> tricknology: isnt it based off intellij?
Oct 22 07:50:40 <supay> i mean, AS
Oct 22 07:50:44 <tricknology> yes
Oct 22 07:50:54 <supay> g00s: lol :P and maybe i should update notepad++ as well
Oct 22 07:51:00 <supay> or apt-get update vi
Oct 22 07:51:01 <g00s> :D
Oct 22 07:51:13 <tricknology> :P
Oct 22 07:51:34 <tricknology> bedtime
Oct 22 07:51:39 <supay> cya tricknology
Oct 22 07:51:42 <tricknology> laters
Oct 22 07:55:52 <oddalot> Hi
Oct 22 07:56:13 <oddalot> trying to learn android development, but it's been hard for me to stick with it
Oct 22 07:58:52 <Carbonflux> you need to find a specific project and then solve all the problems involved in finishing it, that is the best way to learn.
Oct 22 08:01:16 <oddalot> Do you know a good example of one?
Oct 22 08:01:19 <supay> just curious - are the popular games that we see on the play store developed on Eclipse and Android Studio? Or is there something else for game development?
Oct 22 08:01:30 <supay> oddalot: you should pick a project that you're interested in.. that would motivate you to learn.
Oct 22 08:02:17 <supay> Im an android noob too.. I just know a bit of java. But i got this idea which i would love to have. App dev costs too much and here i am, asking questions, learning and developing my app.
Oct 22 08:02:25 <oddalot> I'm really interested in learning how the layout works. I'm a front end web developer and I deal with that a lot.
Oct 22 08:02:46 <Carbonflux> oddalot, ah no, the idea is to think of what YOU want to do, no matter how dumb it seems, then follow thru, if you fail you still will have learned a lot, the goal is not as important as the process but you need the goal, just make something up :)
Oct 22 08:02:53 <oddalot> I'm a pretty big Java noob as well
Oct 22 08:03:22 <oddalot> I'm pretty strong in javascript
Oct 22 08:03:52 <supay> oddalot: java isn't too difficult to learn.. are you familiar with c/c++? or just webdev?
Oct 22 08:04:41 <supay> oddalot: the best way to figure out layouts is by tweaking them around, dumping elements in and then running your app on different sized devices to see how it looks.. thats probably how you started out with layouts in webdev as well
Oct 22 08:05:14 <oddalot> I mean, I've learned Java, C etc... in the past, It
Oct 22 08:05:25 <supay> well, thats all you need
Oct 22 08:05:26 <oddalot> 's just I never mastered them, and forgot them
Oct 22 08:05:49 <supay> oddalot: head over to d.android.com and get started.. go go go!
Oct 22 08:05:59 <DarsVaeda> can you ask eclipse at question here?
Oct 22 08:06:15 <oddalot> I'm downloading the SDKs as we speak, but it's taking a while
Oct 22 08:07:18 <supay> DarsVaeda: if it is related to android somehow, im sure you can! :) dont ask to ask.. just ask! if its off topic, people will let you know and sometimes even redirect you to another chan
Oct 22 08:07:51 <supay> oddalot: id suggest downloading the bundle. its an easier way to get started. downloading the sdk separately and trying to make it all work with eclipse is a huge pain in the ass IMO
Oct 22 08:08:21 <oddalot> I'm using Android Studio
Oct 22 08:08:23 <supay> oddalot: google 'adt bundle'
Oct 22 08:08:42 <supay> oddalot: well, it probably came with the sdk, no?
Oct 22 08:09:02 <DarsVaeda> I have really troubles debugging on a mac with osx 10.10, although the device is shown as connected via "dab devices" it is not shown in the device chooser, I have to replug it and in many cases I can install my app but when it tries to launch the activity nothing happens and it just stops
Oct 22 08:09:04 <oddalot> Well, one of them, but I figured I might as well download all of them from the start
Oct 22 08:09:04 <DarsVaeda> any idea?
Oct 22 08:09:52 <supay> oddalot: you can do that from the 'SDK Manager'
Oct 22 08:10:03 <oddalot> That's what I'm doing ;)
Oct 22 08:10:15 <oddalot> I'm about 10% done.
Oct 22 08:10:17 <supay> DarsVaeda: it could be some error/problem with your app..
Oct 22 08:10:24 <supay> oddalot: ah, great! :) good luck
Oct 22 08:10:48 <DarsVaeda> no the app works fine in the cases I can actually upload and start it, can also start it manually after it was uploaded
Oct 22 08:11:27 <supay> DarsVaeda: maybe your wire is faulty.. or the phones drivers aren't installed on your computer.. or your usb port is unstable
Oct 22 08:11:57 <DarsVaeda> hmm yeah that probably is right, damn asus
Oct 22 08:12:06 <supay> haha :)
Oct 22 08:12:33 <supay> as long as you can test the app in some way or another, you should be fine.. i understand it is a little more work, but meh
Oct 22 08:12:33 <DarsVaeda> worst device ever -.-
Oct 22 08:12:42 <supay> :P
Oct 22 08:12:51 <supay> thats what i think about my xperia z2
Oct 22 08:13:05 <DarsVaeda> I probably is not as bad as this thing
Oct 22 08:13:11 <DarsVaeda> it
Oct 22 08:14:18 <supay> probably not
Oct 22 08:14:45 <Odaym> how do I reverse the process of requestDisallowInterceptTouchEvent()?
Oct 22 08:19:30 <supay> Odaym: that function/method takes in a boolean.. how about passing 'false' ?
Oct 22 08:19:50 <Odaym> it doesnt bring back the behavior that passing true to it causes
Oct 22 08:21:08 <supay> Odaym: then you need to provide more information.. some code and what exactly it is that you're trying to do
Oct 22 08:28:17 <Odaym> well basically I'm using requestDisallow so that I could get my listview (inside a drawer) to enable swiping on its items, so as not to have the drawer take that touch
Oct 22 08:29:04 <Odaym> so when I do that (in action_down), I get the items to swipe, but then you can't scroll the listview with that option of course because that event doesnt belong to the items
Oct 22 08:30:03 <Odaym> so view.getParent().requestDisallowInterceptTouchEvent(true) is allowing the item to be swipable but the listview to be unscrollable  (because action_down stops it of course)
Oct 22 08:30:36 <supay> Odaym: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15062365/how-to-work-when-listview-inside-the-scrollview
Oct 22 08:30:52 <supay> and all i had to do was google 'reverse requestDisallowInterceptTouchEvent()"
Oct 22 08:30:58 <Odaym> I guess it IS reversing the operation, but Im calling it inside on action up, and then calling it with True again in on action down :P
Oct 22 08:31:39 <supay> :P
Oct 22 08:31:48 <Odaym> well I dont have access to these elements in my class
Oct 22 08:31:53 <Odaym> I have the swipeListview element, yes
Oct 22 08:32:14 <Odaym> is "view" the row?
Oct 22 08:32:23 <Odaym> from the override of onTouch
Oct 22 08:34:05 <shmoon> hello
Oct 22 08:34:10 <Odaym> I dont understand how it's going to be able to differentiate
Oct 22 08:34:13 <shmoon> I got an app's apk file from my phone
Oct 22 08:34:29 <Odaym> when I press on the child and want either to move up (to scroll the whole list) or to move right/left to swipe the item
Oct 22 08:34:30 <shmoon> can i go through its code now ? the activity fiels, etc. ? is there some way to reverse engineer it or basically access code?
Oct 22 08:34:51 <asperon> hi guys, i want to create a round "grid view" that can take one or more items and display them as a circle, would a gridview be the best view to modify for this or do you have any other suggestions?
Oct 22 08:35:19 <supay> Odaym: code, code! :)
Oct 22 08:35:26 <supay> i mean, give us code, to see what you're doing
Oct 22 08:35:54 <vegetablesalad19> Hello, anyone knows how to resolve dependencies conflict in gradle? How to find out what exactly is the cause ?
Oct 22 08:36:03 <supay> shmoon: of course, here - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12732882/reverse-engineering-from-an-apk-file-to-a-project
Oct 22 08:36:27 <Odaym> http://pastie.org/9667116
Oct 22 08:36:35 <Odaym> there, I'm working on that class' onTouch event
Oct 22 08:36:46 <supay> shmoon: remember, when you reverse engineer a compiled apk, you wont get the 'original' code.. but some reverse engineered code. you might be able to understand how it works and tweak it etc.
Oct 22 08:37:16 <shmoon> supay: interesting, means our android odes are never safe
Oct 22 08:37:25 <shmoon> competitors can write our apps quick and know our IP
Oct 22 08:37:53 <supay> shmoon: not necessarily.. you can use obfuscation techniques etc
Oct 22 08:38:21 <shmoon> is that what this thing called proguard does?
Oct 22 08:38:22 <supay> vegetablesalad19: google the error/conflict string that you see
Oct 22 08:38:41 <supay> shmoon: yes.
Oct 22 08:38:55 <shmoon> ok obfuscation is a good one, hard to understand that code
Oct 22 08:39:09 <supay> shmoon: but understand this, if you know enough about reverse engineering, it is always possible to understand how some app was implemented.
Oct 22 08:39:13 <shmoon> but androdi system function names won't change hence a smart guy can understand i he wants to
Oct 22 08:39:28 <vegetablesalad19> supay, no luck. It doesn't show in error what causes the conflict. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26489788/how-to-find-dependency-conflict-in-gradle
Oct 22 08:39:39 <supay> vegetablesalad19: screenshot?
Oct 22 08:39:54 <supay> vegetablesalad19: ignore that
Oct 22 08:40:00 <Odaym> god damn it
Oct 22 08:40:01 <supay> i mean, my request for a screenshot
Oct 22 08:40:09 <supay> Odaym: found the answer? :)
Oct 22 08:40:32 <Odaym> no, I just was able to repeat the same mistake from the adapter which loads the stuff inside the drawer
Oct 22 08:40:39 <Odaym> meaning to requestDisallow in mid-touch
Oct 22 08:40:45 <Odaym> which fucks up the swipe
Oct 22 08:41:20 <supay> Odaym: hmm, im no pro.. so i might not be able to assist you. others on this chan might, when they see your question.
Oct 22 08:41:23 <Odaym> I pasted what Im working on, if you want to see
Oct 22 08:41:49 <shmoon> thanks supay
Oct 22 08:42:00 <supay> shmoon: np
Oct 22 08:42:30 <supay> vegetablesalad19: see if this helps? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18572430/how-to-import-remote-library-in-android-studio-using-gradle
Oct 22 08:43:04 <Odaym> what you pasted is totally unrelated
Oct 22 08:43:20 <Odaym> it only looks like it, but this is not what I was talking about
Oct 22 08:44:27 <vegetablesalad19> supay, thank you, but I'm already doing that. This is my stack post with code and error : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26489788/how-to-find-dependency-conflict-in-gradle
Oct 22 08:50:13 <thana> how can i programmtaically set my app as the default homescreen-app (android.intent.category.HOME)? i can assume that my app runs on a rooted device and even that it's a system app and might have the WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS permission
Oct 22 08:51:46 <supay> thana: by 'homescreen' do you mean 'launcher' ?
Oct 22 08:52:21 <niru> Hi
Oct 22 08:52:31 <supay> hi niru
Oct 22 08:52:51 <thana> supay: well, yes ;)
Oct 22 08:52:51 <niru> When I scroll over my compound view it gets recycled
Oct 22 08:53:25 <niru> And in logcat I see same Log.d messages repeated when scrolling over the ui
Oct 22 08:53:49 <supay> thana: interesting question! i would want that answer as well.. let me try google while we wait on someone to answer!
Oct 22 08:53:53 <niru> I know its related to getView method
Oct 22 08:54:09 <niru> implemented in adapter class
Oct 22 08:55:05 <niru> But not know exactly what I need to do to avoid the view from recycling
Oct 22 08:55:28 <thana> supay: i googled already but couldnt find an answer yet (besides "you cant" which i dont accept as i have every possible permission)
Oct 22 08:55:46 <supay> yes, which is what i was thinking
Oct 22 08:56:01 <supay> they say you can't unless ofc, you have root.. which implies you can do anything to your phone
Oct 22 08:56:02 <supay> lol
Oct 22 08:56:41 <supay> thana: have you tried/read this - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23110047/android-choose-default-launcher-programatically ?
Oct 22 08:56:43 <thana> so at the end it boild down to the question, where such settings are made ;)
Oct 22 08:57:06 <thana> supay: yes -- the way they describe is deprecated since api level 7
Oct 22 08:57:13 <supay> i see..
Oct 22 08:57:26 <supay> thana: you might need to look at the Android source!
Oct 22 08:58:18 <vinit-ivar> hey guys, any idea how I can constantly update a database in my app?
Oct 22 08:58:51 <thana> supay: mmh yes, indeed. already did this to mangel nfc... but it always makes me feeld bad as its never part of any public API and i do not know whether or not the (sometimes even public methods) are subject to change some time in the future :/
Oct 22 08:58:56 <vinit-ivar> I thought of using a SQL server, but the dude i'm writing this app for doesn't want to pay much
Oct 22 08:59:03 <vinit-ivar> so I figured, i'd use Drive
Oct 22 08:59:04 <cliffreich_> guys any recommendation before the production release?
Oct 22 08:59:49 <supay> thana: yeah, that is sad.. :( they might just not like what you're doing and deprecate stuff to stop it from working. Hmm
Oct 22 09:00:50 <supay> vinit-ivar: Mr. Ravishankar, you can try polling to your db. And why would you use Drive? He'd have to pay for the app backend. :/
Oct 22 09:01:15 <thana> supay: the software isnt intended to go into the wild anyway... so maybe i'm worrying to much about it. at the end i might even know excatly on which devices it will run and can test my stuff on them directly
Oct 22 09:02:14 <supay> thana: that is one way to do it.. browsing the android git repo to see something that might help.. but i doubt i'll find anything that easily :/ :P
Oct 22 09:02:19 <vinit-ivar> i'd have to host a db somewhere, though. Trying to avoid that.
Oct 22 09:02:44 <vinit-ivar> a Drive spreadsheet seems to be easier, speed and security are not issues here
Oct 22 09:02:57 <vinit-ivar> and how on earth did you know my name o.O
Oct 22 09:03:24 <supay> vinit-ivar: https://developers.google.com/drive/android/ good luck
Oct 22 09:03:42 <supay> vinit-ivar: you use that for your github and probably everywhere else on the internet.. not any serious doxing lol
Oct 22 09:03:56 <supay> vinit-ivar: google 'vinit-ivar' and see for yourself
Oct 22 09:03:58 <thana> supay: i think it could be more or less easy, to search the codebase for api level 6 and look what the now deprecated method did that time
Oct 22 09:04:30 <supay> thana: yes, and downgrade all the devices on which you'd like to run your app and use the method on that link! :)
Oct 22 09:04:44 <vinit-ivar> I've seen that, but it's a pretty irritating API honestly. I've been beating my head against a wall for days now. Ah well
Oct 22 09:04:53 <vinit-ivar> I took my name off github :/
Oct 22 09:05:20 <cliffreich_> do i need to add license checker for a free app? that damn thing is going to timeout and i dont even know why
Oct 22 09:05:26 <thana> supay: or just rebuild the functionality if possible
Oct 22 09:05:34 <thana> supay: as downgrading is not an option
Oct 22 09:06:01 <vinit-ivar> anyway, cheers, i'll try buying a server. any recommendations?
Oct 22 09:06:11 <supay> vinit-ivar: vinit.ravishankar@gmail.com lol
Oct 22 09:06:16 <supay> it shows on your github
Oct 22 09:06:22 <vinit-ivar> ah
Oct 22 09:06:23 <vinit-ivar> that
Oct 22 09:06:23 <vinit-ivar> hha
Oct 22 09:06:37 <supay> thana: thats another way to go.. :) seems too crude.. there must be a simpler way
Oct 22 09:07:04 <supay> vinit-ivar: im sure you can get some real cheap hosting plan with mysql.. try bigrock
Oct 22 09:07:54 <vinit-ivar> I've worked with bigrock before. not a fan of their customer support, but I suppose everybody's as bad
Oct 22 09:07:59 <vinit-ivar> thanks
Oct 22 09:08:40 <supay> vinit-ivar: your client isn't paying you much. let him deal with customer support ;) cheers!
Oct 22 09:13:10 <Chainfire> can someone do me a major favor and ZIP up the sdk/samples/android-L folder for me and upload it somewhere? it got completely messed up on my install and the SDK Manager is refusing to redownload it
Oct 22 09:18:01 <SilSila> friends...can anybody suggest me a good mobile so that i can test the android applications? is xiaomi redmi note smartphone can be useful for testing the android applications?
Oct 22 09:18:33 <vinit-ivar> you can use any cell phone to test the application
Oct 22 09:18:34 <Mavrik> Get Galaxy S3/S4
Oct 22 09:18:51 <Mavrik> testng or random chinese firmware isn't going to give you good results for western markets
Oct 22 09:19:00 <vinit-ivar> ^
Oct 22 09:19:14 <vinit-ivar> SilSila, get the Moto E/G if you're on a budget
Oct 22 09:24:08 <supay> Mavrik: why not?
Oct 22 09:24:27 <supay> Chainfire: refusing? use 'sudo' :P
Oct 22 09:24:53 <Mavrik> supay, because RedMi uses Xiaomi's MIUI which is heavily modified
Oct 22 09:25:03 <Mavrik> it doesn't even look like all other Androids and has modified base themes
Oct 22 09:25:14 <Mavrik> so what you're seeing on that phone isn't what everyone else will see.
Oct 22 09:26:10 <supay> Mavrik: it would change the way the app looks as well? I thought MIUI was some kind of heavily modified launcher
Oct 22 09:26:16 <vinit-ivar> also, if you're using the NDK, having a mediatek chipset isn't exactly a good idea
Oct 22 09:26:26 <Chainfire> found the download
Oct 22 09:26:33 <Chainfire> f'ing sdk manager never works
Oct 22 09:27:25 <oddalot> pwnt
Oct 22 09:27:30 <cliffreich_> i was about to upload the production apk and i got blank page hueh
Oct 22 09:27:39 <cliffreich_> damn license checker
Oct 22 09:28:20 <supay> lol
Oct 22 09:31:11 <cliffreich_> i dont even know
Oct 22 09:31:18 <cliffreich_> why did i add license checking for a free app
Oct 22 09:32:22 <cliffreich_> oh expansions. who needs that
Oct 22 09:34:53 <supay> does whatsapp use some php on its backend to connect the mobile app to the backend db?
Oct 22 09:34:57 <supay> if not, what does it use?
Oct 22 09:35:45 <sonOfRa> the "backend db" is an xmpp server, as far as I am aware, supay
Oct 22 09:36:06 <supay> sonOfRa: ah, so it uses a different protocol. okay! :)
Oct 22 09:36:08 <supay> thanks sonOfRa
Oct 22 09:36:09 <sonOfRa> well, lots of xmpp servers probably, for that amount of load
Oct 22 09:36:11 <supay> and epic nick
Oct 22 09:36:27 <supay> yes, ofc :)
Oct 22 09:40:13 <JuiceSSH> Has anybody got the 64bit emulator working on OSX yet? I see lots of people having the issue where it just black-screens, but no suggested fixes
Oct 22 09:43:53 <kanupatar> how can I search for all files in GPL license in android source?
Oct 22 09:46:28 <supay> is Juno an upgrade or a downgrade? I just started eclipse in the ADT bundle (which i just downloaded) and it says 'Juno'
Oct 22 09:47:59 <SilSila> vinit-ivar, can i use moto e/g is especially for android applications or can i use it for all purpose (calling,video, etc)?
Oct 22 09:48:58 <cliffreich_> oh shit im uploading the production apk
Oct 22 09:49:00 <cliffreich_> im dying
Oct 22 09:49:25 <adriandroid> is there a solution for playing inline Live Video Stream in android, need it work in WebView. Android 4.0+. HLS isn't playing nice across devices:<
Oct 22 09:49:58 <cliffreich_> my first android app :)
Oct 22 09:50:02 <supay> cliffreich_: RIP and May the Force be with you!
Oct 22 09:50:07 <supay> cliffreich_: can i see?! :D
Oct 22 09:50:37 <DarsVaeda> did anyone manage to start a large resolution device avd with the snapshot option?
Oct 22 09:50:39 <supay> SilSila: everything.. obviously! :)
Oct 22 09:50:54 <cliffreich_> i would be ashamed :( you guys are pretty experienced programmers
Oct 22 09:52:03 <supay> cliffreich_: nope, never feel that way.
Oct 22 09:52:18 <supay> cliffreich_: if you feel so, you can just pm me :)
Oct 22 09:59:26 <vinit-ivar> that's cool, cliffreich_
Oct 22 09:59:36 <vinit-ivar> and we aren't all experienced
Oct 22 10:03:00 <DarsVaeda> now I remember why I didn't use the emulator, even worse than my device ^^
Oct 22 10:03:02 <DarsVaeda> meh...
Oct 22 10:04:17 <monsti> omg :(
Oct 22 10:04:26 <monsti> no samples for cardview in the current sdk
Oct 22 10:05:39 * monsti feels like a virgin in a harem
Oct 22 10:07:02 <supay> DarsVaeda: duh! :P
Oct 22 10:07:53 <DarsVaeda> I set API level to 17, I setup an avd with level 17, start: can not load from snapshot, wasn't build for the hardware
Oct 22 10:08:20 <DarsVaeda> I start it manually, select in the device chooser target shows a question mark, whatever that means, won't start it
Oct 22 10:08:22 <DarsVaeda> -.-
Oct 22 10:09:56 <DarsVaeda> it works without the snapshot but yeah then I can watch like walking dead while testing cause its so freaking slow ^^
Oct 22 10:12:46 <ravilov> tough
Oct 22 10:14:02 <DarsVaeda> depressing, need to work on my thesis...and it is not about "how to setup debug (on a mac)" ;D
Oct 22 10:14:56 <ravilov> should be, seems it's a pretty broad subject
Oct 22 10:15:07 <ravilov> ... not necessarily with a happy ending - it's a mac after all
Oct 22 10:15:44 <DarsVaeda> at the end it's just a linux copy
Oct 22 10:15:57 <DarsVaeda> this is so debian with gnome all over
Oct 22 10:24:32 <gordon_> DarsVaeda: genymotion
Oct 22 10:24:43 <DarsVaeda> hmm?
Oct 22 10:24:46 <gordon_> x86 / x64 emulator /
Oct 22 10:25:06 <dck28> Hi, does anyone know how I can get rid of the following error?
Oct 22 10:25:06 <dck28> only position independent executables (PIE) are supported
Oct 22 10:25:14 <gordon_> DarsVaeda: just google it
Oct 22 10:25:24 <DarsVaeda> did already thanks :)
Oct 22 10:25:26 <Mrdarknezz> DarsVaeda: Genymotion is wonderful
Oct 22 10:29:38 <gordon_> https://ind.ie/phoenix/
Oct 22 10:29:47 <gordon_> open letter to Tim Cook was so sweet :D
Oct 22 10:31:12 <aaearon> tim cook: "tl; dr"
Oct 22 10:32:57 <gordon_> :D
Oct 22 10:44:15 <esing>  I noticed that the Kindle Android APP "Kindle Whispersync for Voice" only enables the VOICE feature for Kindle FIRE HD, but not for other android devices such as Samsung S5. Is the app simply checking what Device I am using and then enables/disables that feature? Because I can't imagine that it wouldnt work on Samsungs phones. I suppose they just want people buying their Kindle Fire's
Oct 22 10:47:28 <esing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfte_gqsAv4
Oct 22 10:50:48 <mylord> can i update nexus 7 2013 to android 4.4? how?
Oct 22 10:51:02 <gordon_> well
Oct 22 10:51:15 <gordon_> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Oct 22 10:51:20 <gordon_> and it's wrong channel
Oct 22 10:56:04 <shmoon> i read monkey stress tester tool sends system level events, like ?
Oct 22 10:56:31 <shmoon> or what does that mean, apart from click, keyboard, etc. events
Oct 22 10:57:46 <ejcweb> I've got a very simple app (for testing) that listens for SMS messages, and then posts to a URL the time each SMS was received.
Oct 22 10:57:51 <ejcweb> Right now I just construct a simple HTTP request to do this. Is there a library or another approach than can handle this and all error cases for me? (ie. retry later if no connection, etc)
Oct 22 10:58:19 <ejcweb> I just want to guarantee (as far as possible) that at some stage the POST request is made.
Oct 22 10:58:53 <ejcweb> Implementing my own exponential backoff retry mechanism seems like overkill for something this simple.
Oct 22 11:02:58 <bilb_ono> I am trying to set up google analytics for my app and it tells me to add code to my application class, but I cannot find this class anywhere. where in my project would it be defined?
Oct 22 11:03:49 <supay> Lol, does it mean im a crazy grammar-nazi if i found this on ind.ie/phoenix/ ? - "Greg brings years of experience in Objective-C and compiler developer to Ind.ie"
Oct 22 11:05:31 <vinit-ivar> years of experience in compiler developer
Oct 22 11:05:33 <vinit-ivar> sounds legit
Oct 22 11:06:30 <supay> Should be "Greg brings years of experience in Objective-C and compiler development to Ind.ie"
Oct 22 11:06:54 <dck28> Hi... my app is breaking under the PIE check... Really worried about the final release of Android L is going to impose this security feature... are there anyone who knows if Google is really gonna kill all these apps that uses native libs?
Oct 22 11:08:23 <vinit-ivar> yeah
Oct 22 11:08:55 <vinit-ivar> to supay, not dck28
Oct 22 11:13:04 <JuiceSSH> dck28: Yeah, the PIE requirement caused us some grief too. Our APK ships with telnet, mosh and bash binaries for ARM, MIPS and x86, and for each of those arch's we now ship PIE and non-PIE versions of the binaries!
Oct 22 11:13:14 * JuiceSSH wonders if he'll have to compile x86_64 versions of those too
Oct 22 11:17:38 <JuiceSSH> bilb_ono: You need to create a new class that extends Application, then specify that in your AndroidManifest.xml <application anroid:name="<your class here>"
Oct 22 11:18:32 <Zharf> does google play allow ads from other sources than their own (adsense is it?) (curious)
Oct 22 11:19:17 <Estel> Yes
Oct 22 11:22:47 <supay> Zharf: duh :P
Oct 22 11:23:01 <Zharf> supay, it's not a "duh"... it's a valid question
Oct 22 11:23:28 <Zharf> I was just wondering if I should whine to google about this app's ads or not :p
Oct 22 11:23:33 <supay> Zharf: never said it wasnt. but you could have easily googled the question. besides, notice the ":P"
Oct 22 11:23:34 <Zharf> not like I would use it anyway
Oct 22 11:23:47 <supay> haha :)
Oct 22 11:24:07 <Zharf> but they are nice enough to log all the URLs they're getting their data from
Oct 22 11:24:12 <Zharf> so I could just write my own app without ads
Oct 22 11:24:14 <Zharf> <3
Oct 22 11:24:22 <supay> yeah, i dont believe that that leak about adsense is true.. but i have my reservations against adsense as well
Oct 22 11:24:26 <supay> haha, yes! :)
Oct 22 11:26:11 <cliffreich_> how do i enable PIE?
Oct 22 11:26:34 <cliffreich_> i just released my first app and never heard of PIE
Oct 22 11:26:45 <Zharf> no clue what PIE is
Oct 22 11:27:08 <supay> cliffreich_: still shy? :P you wont share your app?!
Oct 22 11:27:24 <Zharf> topic says no advertising :)
Oct 22 11:27:50 <supay> Zharf: never asked him to link me here
Oct 22 11:27:56 <Zharf> fair enough
Oct 22 11:27:57 <supay> he could do it over pm if he wants to
Oct 22 11:28:02 <cliffreich_> supay its too awful... let me wait for the 2nd update bugs and design to share it with developers. devs will critique my app for sure :P
Oct 22 11:28:32 <supay> cliffreich_: i wont.. maybe i can give you feedback? im really interested! :) but you'd have to share it over pm, as Zharf pointed out!
Oct 22 11:28:46 <cliffreich_> someone will be oh this guy is just dumb after the first bug
Oct 22 11:28:49 <cliffreich_> heh
Oct 22 11:29:15 <supay> cliffreich_: people find bugs on google everyday.. its cool :)
Oct 22 11:41:32 <dck28> Hi people.. help... I've been spending all day trying to ndk-build something with r10c with the latest google-breakpad...
Oct 22 11:41:42 <dck28> please.. if anyone know how i can fix this.. pls...
Oct 22 11:41:42 <dck28> http://pastebin.com/n2LqPcSY
Oct 22 11:47:21 <ravilov> begging never helped anyone, at least not here
Oct 22 11:49:09 <dck28> then what helps?
Oct 22 11:49:46 <dck28> my head is spinning.. it's getting way too low level... i just wish what it is trying to say to me...
Oct 22 11:50:43 <hokkaido> are you compiling for x86?
Oct 22 11:52:09 <hokkaido> ah, mips64
Oct 22 11:52:53 <ravilov> I for one have never heard of "google breakpad" so can't help too much. it does tell you the exact file and line where it fails so that's a start
Oct 22 11:53:35 <hokkaido> I was thinking that he is compiling it for mips64 which is not supported.
Oct 22 11:54:01 <hokkaido> "The Breakpad processor library is able to process dumps produced on Mac OS X systems running on x86, x86-64, and PowerPC processors, on Windows and Linux systems running on x86 or x86-64 processors, and on Android systems running ARM or x86 processors."
Oct 22 11:54:08 <hokkaido> mips64 is not supported
Oct 22 11:54:18 <ravilov> dck28, asking questions in a precise and technically sound manner usually helps, begging and pleading usually just annoys people
Oct 22 11:54:28 <ravilov> we're not a charity here
Oct 22 11:54:51 <hokkaido> google-breakpad/src/common/memory.h:122:59: error: 'sys_mmap2' was not declared in this scope
Oct 22 11:54:55 <dck28> yah i know.. that's why i pasted a pastebin link.. i just wanna know what it is trying to tell me
Oct 22 11:55:09 <hokkaido> are you even reading what I am typing?
Oct 22 11:55:17 <hokkaido> or am I wasting my time trying to explain it to you?
Oct 22 11:55:36 <dck28> nah.. i am readying
Oct 22 11:55:50 <hokkaido> ok, so this is not available on mips64.
Oct 22 11:55:52 <dck28> but i tried just doing armeabi and it still spits out the same thing
Oct 22 11:56:25 <dck28> i'm talking about the Application.mk
Oct 22 11:56:45 <hokkaido> yes, I know.
Oct 22 11:56:54 <hokkaido> are you using 32-bit or 64-bit ndk?
Oct 22 11:56:59 <dck28> 64
Oct 22 11:57:17 <dck28> maybe i should try 32... that's a good idea...! thanks
Oct 22 11:57:49 <ravilov> tried googling already? often times googling the project name and the error yields good results
Oct 22 11:59:38 <hokkaido> dck28: https://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/browse/trunk/README.ANDROID
Oct 22 11:59:45 <hokkaido> dck28: have you followed this guide?
Oct 22 12:00:43 <kanupatar> where can I see the linux kernel source in android repo? I have downloaded the android 4.4 and did n't see that
Oct 22 12:01:32 <hokkaido> dck28: have you set APP_STL?
Oct 22 12:01:38 <hokkaido> dck28: APP_STL := stlport_static
Oct 22 12:01:46 <hokkaido> dck28: in Application.mk
Oct 22 12:02:02 <dck28> yeap
Oct 22 12:02:08 <hokkaido> dang. ok.
Oct 22 12:02:12 <asperon> what is the best way to "keep" a drag n drop operation on top of my view, ie if the user drags it outside i want to leave it where it was/stop the drag action
Oct 22 12:02:23 <hokkaido> dck28: I need to rush. best of luck.
Oct 22 12:04:04 <mylord> is there anything in android dev (eg eclipse) where you “target membership” of a .java file towards a particular project, like in xcode?
Oct 22 12:04:46 <mylord> because one of my files just isn’t loading properly in a way that was fixed, on iOS (in my phonegap project) by doing “Target Membership"
Oct 22 12:05:50 <dck28> hokkaido: Thanks I appreciate your help
Oct 22 12:18:06 <ravilov> mylord, a java source file is always a part of a project. I have no idea what this "target membership" thing does, and it would probably be best to refrain from ios references as they generally mean nothing in here
Oct 22 12:20:53 <Estel> Does anyone have experience using cupboard to map to-many relationships or inherited classes? Just trying to decide the least nightmareish solution
Oct 22 12:32:49 <Bpaul> Hi. How can I make something like a Spinner, that won't take focus, I only want to be visible in order for the user to know that something is loading, but don't take focus?
Oct 22 12:41:36 <kanupatar> where can I see the linux kernel source in the downloaded source code of android-4.4.4_r1
Oct 22 12:41:41 <kanupatar> ?
Oct 22 12:41:54 <Mrdarknezz> Bpaul: A spinner in android terminology is a form of dropdown selector
Oct 22 12:42:03 <Mrdarknezz> Bpaul: Like the <select> tag in HTML
Oct 22 12:50:02 <ktwo> with the newest android sdk i only see a black image in the AVD when connecting with RDP - any idea what it could be?
Oct 22 12:51:54 <thana> any idea why the packagagemanager grants the WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS permisison but not DEVICE_POWER?
Oct 22 12:54:34 <Estel> Bpaul: do you want a ProgressBar?
Oct 22 12:57:55 <Bpaul> i want to show something to make the user know that something is loading
Oct 22 12:58:02 <Bpaul> like a gif on top of a view
Oct 22 12:58:05 <Estel> Yes, you want a ProgressBar
Oct 22 12:58:06 <Bpaul> but i don't want ot use a gif
Oct 22 12:58:27 <Estel> By default it's an indeterminate progress bar that spins, but has some styles for horizontal loading progress stuff
Oct 22 12:59:19 <ravilov> thana, let me guess - on 4.4?
Oct 22 12:59:59 <ravilov> Bpaul, GIFs are not even available on android, and for a reason
Oct 22 13:00:14 <ravilov> at least not animated gifs
Oct 22 13:04:26 <thana> ravilov: no. 4.3.1
Oct 22 13:06:07 <ravilov> tried googling? it's pretty easy. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20986892/#answer-24994365
Oct 22 13:06:31 <Zharf> sogh
Oct 22 13:06:58 <Zharf> can't update google play services because of not enough space... 160MB isn't enough anymore apparently
Oct 22 13:07:09 <Zharf> 160M free that is
Oct 22 13:07:18 <Zharf> fucking bloatware
Oct 22 13:07:56 <ravilov> there's something wrong with your device/emulator
Oct 22 13:07:58 <p_l> pity that there's no automatic "thinning" of resources, by stripping unnecessary ones...
Oct 22 13:08:13 <ravilov> latest gpservices is about 37 MB
Oct 22 13:08:47 <Zharf> ravilov, android uses more space when installing
Oct 22 13:08:47 <ravilov> at least for me
Oct 22 13:08:54 <ravilov> how so?
Oct 22 13:08:54 <Zharf> a lot more
Oct 22 13:09:11 <ravilov> what for?
Oct 22 13:09:25 <Zharf> apk, unzipping, otherstuff probably
Oct 22 13:09:33 <ravilov> ... it doesn't unzip anything
Oct 22 13:09:41 <thana> ravilov: read what i wrote? its not that easy :/
Oct 22 13:10:22 <ravilov> thana, are you building your own ROM or something?
Oct 22 13:11:10 <thana> ravilov: WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS isnt granted to "third party apps" either. yet its granted to my app as its pretty easy to make it a system app if the device is rooted
Oct 22 13:11:39 <Zharf> also 37MB is massive bloatware still :p
Oct 22 13:11:48 <ravilov> thana, yeah... no
Oct 22 13:12:12 <ravilov> 4.4 changes all that, even if you're on 4.3 now best not rely on such stuff
Oct 22 13:12:31 <ravilov> here people do things by the book, if you want hacks and backdoors you should probably go to #android-root
Oct 22 13:13:10 <thana> ravilov: wasnt aware of that channel. thanks
Oct 22 13:13:35 <ravilov> in that case, try reading the channel topic as soon as you enter a channel, very good practice on irc
Oct 22 13:15:11 <thana> ravilov: yeah thanks for this hint, too. now please send it 12 years back in time when i needed it ;)
Oct 22 13:16:32 <ravilov> why bother? looks like you still need it :p
Oct 22 13:17:21 <thana> not really.. the only reason i went there now is because you told me to do -- i still think the topic of both channels rather suggest i ask this question here ;)
Oct 22 13:18:38 <ravilov> not the point. you've at least learned to actually *look* at the topic now. hopefully it'll stick
Oct 22 13:18:44 <Estel> As soon as anyone ever says "root" or "kernel" or "private API" they get pointed the other way :D
Oct 22 13:19:19 <ravilov> Estel, please take this to #android-root
Oct 22 13:19:21 <p_l> well... some unexported APIs are in the framework and do not necessarily require extra permissions :>
Oct 22 13:19:25 * ravilov hides
Oct 22 13:19:47 <ravilov> p_l, that then goes under "hack" which is still frowned upon
Oct 22 13:20:40 <Estel> ARGHHH I HATE SQL SO MUCH
Oct 22 13:21:25 <ravilov> sql is fine, I see no problem with it
Oct 22 13:21:26 <ravilov> must be you :p
Oct 22 13:22:59 <Zharf> uninstalled google play services, installed it again and it worked
Oct 22 13:23:13 <ravilov> problem solved
Oct 22 13:23:18 <ravilov> until next time
Oct 22 13:23:22 <Zharf> not really, it's still a fucking piece of shit bloatware
Oct 22 13:23:48 <Zharf> I don't understand what they have in there that makes it so fucking huge
Oct 22 13:23:52 <ravilov> not that I disagree, but you always have an option of not using it, bitching about it won't change anything
Oct 22 13:24:06 <ravilov> they have a complete mini-OS
Oct 22 13:24:40 <Zharf> it's 49MB now
Oct 22 13:24:46 <Zharf> got 143MB free space now
Oct 22 13:25:14 <ravilov> better get rid of some of those countless games then :p
Oct 22 13:25:24 <Zharf> I have 0 games
Oct 22 13:25:30 <Zharf> only a few apps installed too
Oct 22 13:25:41 <Zharf> 420MB storage space on the phone :p
Oct 22 13:26:18 <ravilov> that's... ridiculously tiny
Oct 22 13:26:35 <Zharf> well no one has made a usable phone since this, so I'm stuck with it
Oct 22 13:26:54 <ravilov> yeah they have, mine is pretty darn awesome
Oct 22 13:27:14 <ravilov> with so little storage, seems you could definitely make use of the now long forgotten apps2sd feature
Oct 22 13:27:14 <Zharf> does it have physical keyboard? if not then it's unusable :p
Oct 22 13:27:40 <Zharf> I do put all apps on sd that can be put on sd
Oct 22 13:27:56 <Zharf> but a lot of the big ones can't be put on sd
Oct 22 13:28:00 <ravilov> eh, no you don't, not if you're using the system built-in feature
Oct 22 13:28:07 <ravilov> that one is practically useless
Oct 22 13:28:09 <Estel> To be honest, if you choose to live in the .1% extremes of devices, you have only yourself to blame for the problems that come with it :D
Oct 22 13:28:36 <Zharf> Estel, I blame companies for forgetting about niche users, they only keep making bigger and crappier phones
Oct 22 13:28:42 <ravilov> also, sometimes I wish it did come with a hardware keyboard, still miss that from my G1 days, that would make this phone out of this world awesome, but even without it it's pretty sweet
Oct 22 13:29:03 <ravilov> Zharf, they didn't "forget" about them, they disregarded them on purpose
Oct 22 13:29:13 <ravilov> "fit into the mold or be done for!"
Oct 22 13:29:39 <Zharf> ravilov, I know, but it's a crap way to do business
Oct 22 13:29:48 <ravilov> and yet everybody's doing it
Oct 22 13:29:58 <Zharf> well everyone's crap :p
Oct 22 13:30:01 <ravilov> you can always become the first vendor to change that y'know
Oct 22 13:30:08 <VnM> If everyone jumped off a bridge..
Oct 22 13:30:09 <VnM> :D
Oct 22 13:30:10 <Zharf> I can't name a single company that has proper good values
Oct 22 13:30:26 <Estel> Which values are you saying are good?
Oct 22 13:30:29 * ravilov wonders what phone is that, in my opinion the G1 was the only one that had the hardware keyboard worth mentioning
Oct 22 13:30:34 <Estel> Making unprofitable phones with keyboards that nobody will buy? :P
Oct 22 13:30:42 <ravilov> even in the haydays of hardware keyboards, the G1's one was hard to top
Oct 22 13:31:13 <Zharf> Estel, only because people don't know any better!
Oct 22 13:31:31 <ravilov> dude, companies make the phones the people want, deal with it
Oct 22 13:31:38 <Zharf> ravilov, I'm using sony xperia mini pro
Oct 22 13:31:38 <rymate1234> I'm trying to have a ripple with a custom drawable used as a background for a listview item, however the ripple appears to be shwown twice http://images.rymate.co.uk/images/pHKgNYc.png
Oct 22 13:31:47 <ravilov> oh dear, that tiny keyboard? lol
Oct 22 13:31:54 <Zharf> it's awesome
Oct 22 13:31:59 <rymate1234> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fue4Rehz
Oct 22 13:32:13 <ravilov> if awesome == tiny, yes
Oct 22 13:32:22 <Zharf> well yes, tiny is awesome
Oct 22 13:32:26 <rymate1234> that's my twolinelistitem
Oct 22 13:32:31 <Zharf> I can't stand the new 4.5"+ phones
Oct 22 13:32:38 <rymate1234> my drawable is:
Oct 22 13:32:41 <rymate1234> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mSxGiCFQ
Oct 22 13:32:49 <ravilov> mine is 4.0", it's just right
Oct 22 13:32:56 <Zharf> samsung s3 mini seems proper sized but it's otherwise utter crap :p
Oct 22 13:33:10 <ravilov> yes all minis tend to be crap
Oct 22 13:33:20 <Zharf> s/minis/samsungs/
Oct 22 13:33:24 <ravilov> eh
Oct 22 13:33:24 * p_l would love a phablet that had hw keyboard
Oct 22 13:33:40 <ravilov> doesn't asus have something to that end?
Oct 22 13:33:53 <ravilov> no wait, that just transforms a phablet into a tablet
Oct 22 13:34:07 <Zharf> anyway, my only hope is that someone will make a bluetooth keyboard with some sort of dock that would attach to the phone so that it'd be like a proper integrated hardware keyboard
Oct 22 13:34:19 <ravilov> you can always get a bluetooth keyboard... that comes with yet another battery that will run out when you need it most :p
Oct 22 13:34:35 <p_l> Zharf: my only issue with that is that I'd block NFC antenna with it
Oct 22 13:34:42 <Zharf> I haven't seen one yet that'd hold up a phone like a proper hardware keyboard
Oct 22 13:34:50 <Zharf> and would be the same size as the phone
Oct 22 13:34:57 <Zharf> I don't care about nfc
Oct 22 13:35:01 <ravilov> Zharf, speaking of which, I've seen some modify my phone so as to attach a bluetooth slide-out hw keyboard originally made for ip4 ;)
Oct 22 13:35:04 <Estel> Screen size is a bit of a misnomer anyway. It's the device size that amtters - you could totally fit a 4-4.5" screen on the xperia mini pro if it didn't have such a stupid bezel
Oct 22 13:35:20 <Zharf> Estel, sure
Oct 22 13:35:35 <Zharf> I like the hardware menu/back/home buttons though :p
Oct 22 13:35:52 <ravilov> y'know, I used to be just like you
Oct 22 13:35:54 <p_l> Zharf: I want to mess a bit with HCE to make it emulate a mifare card, for traffic purposes
Oct 22 13:35:54 <rymate1234> any reason why my custom list item is doing this? http://images.rymate.co.uk/images/pHKgNYc.png
Oct 22 13:35:56 <Estel> Zharf, wake up! You're living in 2011 :D
Oct 22 13:36:05 <ravilov> I would not switch from my heavily outdated G1 to save my life
Oct 22 13:36:10 <ravilov> but then my wife came to the rescue
Oct 22 13:36:19 <rymate1234> drawable: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mSxGiCFQ list item: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fue4Rehz
Oct 22 13:36:30 <ravilov> she got a new phone and I got to use her old one (which was still much newer than my G1)
Oct 22 13:36:40 <Zharf> my main reason for choosing mini pro instead of pro was the frequency response graph of the headphone plug
Oct 22 13:36:57 <ravilov> ... darn, you are just way too specific
Oct 22 13:37:00 <Zharf> :p
Oct 22 13:37:05 <supay> rymate1234: that ui looks pretty nice ;)
Oct 22 13:37:08 <ravilov> you should probably venture into making your own phone from scratch
Oct 22 13:37:11 <rymate1234> it does
Oct 22 13:37:13 <Zharf> nexus 5 has crapped out headphone plug output too :E
Oct 22 13:37:18 <rymate1234> however I don't want 2 ripples
Oct 22 13:37:25 <supay> lol
Oct 22 13:37:34 <rymate1234> is there a way to turn off the ripple underneath the drawable >.<
Oct 22 13:37:39 <Estel> Zharf /really/ wants Project Ara phones...
Oct 22 13:37:42 * p_l wishes the serial port interface was published instead of being hidden
Oct 22 13:37:54 <rymate1234> Estel: so do I
Oct 22 13:38:00 <supay> me too
Oct 22 13:38:02 <Zharf> Estel, I do want them to have android though because I want to keep using the software that I've written
Oct 22 13:38:02 <ravilov> Estel, looks like he'd find something wrong even with *that*
Oct 22 13:38:11 <Zharf> not interested in porting to a yet another platform :)
Oct 22 13:38:18 <rymate1234> mainly so I dont have to upgrade my whole phone every 2 years to keep up with the latest version of android
Oct 22 13:38:28 <Estel> Have to assume that Ara will use Android.
Oct 22 13:38:57 <ravilov> porting is fun! especially when you have nothing better in your life than your phone :p
Oct 22 13:39:15 <ravilov> (things and mindsets change dramatically once you start a family)
Oct 22 13:39:38 <rymate1234> ravilov: I've had my fun with using custom roms when I had an ARMv6 phone
Oct 22 13:39:47 <rymate1234> now im just happy with a nice AOSP rom
Oct 22 13:39:51 <supay> rymate1234: could you link to your project pls?
Oct 22 13:39:55 <Zharf> I'm 30, I've never been in a relationship, I decided around 18 years ago that I will never do that :p
Oct 22 13:39:59 <rymate1234> uh
Oct 22 13:40:05 <ravilov> Zharf, I can tell
Oct 22 13:40:09 <rymate1234> I'd need to push the latest changes to github
Oct 22 13:40:15 <Zharf> time has only strengthened that resolve
Oct 22 13:40:19 <rymate1234> and I'm at school and they block all ports except 80
Oct 22 13:40:23 <ravilov> well, good luck with that, Zharf
Oct 22 13:40:31 <Zharf> not much luck needed
Oct 22 13:41:04 <ravilov> what, all you need is just a resolve to have an empty life? :p
Oct 22 13:41:21 <rymate1234> supay: code as of 3 days ago https://github.com/rymate1234/Rymate-Notes
Oct 22 13:41:33 <rymate1234> I'll see if I can push the code
Oct 22 13:41:35 <Zharf> considering that I can't think of anything that'd make life not empty, meh
Oct 22 13:41:36 <supay> rymate1234: you can use a github proxy.. http://nakkaya.com/2010/05/09/github-access-from-behind-a-firewall/ :)
Oct 22 13:41:42 <supay> thanks rymate1234
Oct 22 13:41:52 <Zharf> humans are stupid, they should stop reproducing
Oct 22 13:42:02 <Estel> But then there'd be no new phones :(
Oct 22 13:42:10 <Zharf> there'd be no need for them either
Oct 22 13:42:13 <Zharf> everything would be better
Oct 22 13:42:17 <Estel> But at least there'd be no SQL :D
Oct 22 13:42:19 <ravilov> what good are new phones when they all suck
Oct 22 13:43:05 <ravilov> Zharf, yes people are stupid, you can either run away from that, or try and change that with future generations and proper education
Oct 22 13:43:19 <Estel> Or
Oct 22 13:43:29 <Estel> If you can't beat 'em, join 'em :D
Oct 22 13:43:46 <Zharf> ravilov, I'd rather just forget about them, there's nothing that can be done to save humankind
Oct 22 13:43:52 <ravilov> that still counts as running away from it, Estel
Oct 22 13:46:03 <rymate1234> supay: i think my college filters anything that isnt http(s)
Oct 22 13:46:05 <rymate1234> :/
Oct 22 13:46:09 <supay> :/
Oct 22 13:46:14 <supay> hence the proxy
Oct 22 13:46:16 <supay> but ah well
Oct 22 13:46:39 <supay> any idea how i can define the heigh of my ListView to be "just above the edit text and button" ? :P in this code:
Oct 22 13:46:41 <supay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tcegnDiG
Oct 22 13:50:09 <Zharf> Estel, thanks for bringing project ara to my attention though, maybe something from there will pop up that might interest me
Oct 22 13:51:08 <ravilov> nah unlikely, the whole world is doomed anyway, isn't it?
Oct 22 13:51:34 <Zharf> sure, but might as well have some fun while waiting for the inevitable
Oct 22 13:51:46 <rymate1234> supay: do you want the edittext and button to be at the bottom of the layout?
Oct 22 13:51:46 <Estel> You people are a cheery lot...
Oct 22 13:52:15 <supay> rymate1234: yes, i want it to be seen.. but when i add the listview.. i just dont see it anymore.
Oct 22 13:52:33 <supay> actually, i want their position fixed at the bottom..
Oct 22 13:53:02 <ravilov> thanks Estel, what else can we do for you? :p
Oct 22 13:53:29 <supay> for that, i used android:gravity="bottom" on my LinearLayout.. wait a sec.. should i rather use the gravity attribute with the edittext and button instead?
Oct 22 13:53:32 * supay tries that
Oct 22 13:54:11 <ravilov> there's gravity and then there's layout_gravity, do not confuse the two
Oct 22 13:54:37 <supay> ravilov: well, it didn't work :/ anybody know what im doing wrong here?
Oct 22 13:55:02 <ravilov> I don't even know what you're doing at all
Oct 22 13:55:11 <ravilov> haven't been paying attention
Oct 22 13:55:25 <rymate1234> supay: for one of my layouts I have the buttons at the bottom in a seperate linear layout
Oct 22 13:55:28 <rymate1234> like this https://github.com/rymate1234/Rymate-Notes/blob/master/app/src/main/res/layout/fragment_note_edit.xml
Oct 22 13:55:38 <rymate1234> brb
Oct 22 13:56:11 <supay> ah, interesting
Oct 22 13:56:18 <supay> let me give that a shot
Oct 22 14:00:00 <sarbyn> I think that someone already asks for it, but somebody knows when Android 5 AOSP will be released?
Oct 22 14:00:37 <dragorn> probably whenever they release the nexus final images
Oct 22 14:01:10 <dragorn> so probably some time in the next week or two
Oct 22 14:01:58 <supay> damn, cant seem to get it working.. ugh! :(
Oct 22 14:06:50 <icedp> why getTag() always returns 1 indifferent of what I'm setting it to with e.g. setTag(42)? setTag(R.id.myid, 42); getTag(R.id.myid)
Oct 22 14:09:07 <icedp> ..works
Oct 22 14:09:40 <ravilov> icedp, isn't a tag supposed to be a string?
Oct 22 14:10:11 <icedp> ravilov: it's an Object
Oct 22 14:10:41 <ravilov> welp
Oct 22 14:10:44 <ravilov> 42 is not an object
Oct 22 14:11:36 <Zharf> did you try with Integer.valueOf(42)
Oct 22 14:12:21 <icedp> ravilov: 42 is int which autoboxes to Integer which is Object. setTag(key, 42)/getTag(key) works. but setTag/getTag without key returns 1 always which is strange. I though from documentation it should work in the same manner. why 1
Oct 22 14:13:32 <ravilov> yeah I'd try with a string anyway, just to make sure
Oct 22 14:15:18 <Zharf> I seem to recall some sort of issue with that... let me see if I can find some code
Oct 22 14:17:40 <w0rp> Has anyone written any quality articles about retrieving a moderate number of image from the Internet for displaying in a list? I've encountered this problem a number of times now.
Oct 22 14:18:26 <w0rp> The best I've ever done is ListAdapter + layout with ListView + layout for each item inflated and replaced + AsyncTask for each image + LRU file cache and files saved to the SD card.
Oct 22 14:19:22 <Zharf> w0rp, did you consider NetworkImageView from volley?
Oct 22 14:19:33 <w0rp> I was looking at Volley last night, actually.
Oct 22 14:21:40 <semanty> hi, anyone can help this, https://dpaste.de/p4oh, the log is put at the bottom
Oct 22 14:21:59 <semanty> i have tried many hours, there is no much on the search on the internet
Oct 22 14:22:08 <w0rp> Zharf: I think I'll give Volley a go, thanks.
Oct 22 14:22:25 <w0rp> I do this kind of stuff in an application which displays a catalog, and that will probably simplify things.
Oct 22 14:22:43 <asperon> what is the best way to "keep" a drag n drop operation on top of my view, ie if the user drags it outside i want to leave it where it was/stop the drag action
Oct 22 14:23:20 <Zharf> w0rp, it also caches the images for convenience
Oct 22 14:23:25 <w0rp> Yeah.
Oct 22 14:23:35 <w0rp> Rather than having to write my own LRU cache.
Oct 22 14:24:13 <Zharf> you wouldn't really, anyway... there's android.util.LruCache :)
Oct 22 14:24:54 <icedp> Zharf, ravilov: never mind my strange error, got it working (and it does work with Integers too)
Oct 22 14:25:08 <ravilov> well enlighten us
Oct 22 14:25:19 <Zharf> w0rp, actually, you'll need to provide an ImageCache implementation which is pretty simple, to be honest
Oct 22 14:27:32 <Zharf> w0rp, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/45734193ff7a01706567  like so
Oct 22 14:27:38 <icedp> ravilov: it was mistake in my logic.. just setTag(int or Integer or String or probably whatever); getTag() works
Oct 22 14:27:38 <Estel> asperon: it's a bit weird that you're getting the response code before completing the request?
Oct 22 14:27:58 <asperon> Estel?
Oct 22 14:28:59 <Estel> asperon: I'm not sure exactly, but I worry that urlConnectoin.getResponseCode() is opening the connection
Oct 22 14:29:32 <Estel> Then after that you're setting the request properties and headers and trying to get the output stream
Oct 22 14:29:41 <Estel> It might interpret that as opening the connection twice
Oct 22 14:30:12 <the_fog> Estel  I think you are talking to semanty
Oct 22 14:30:19 <asperon> Estel, i guess that wasn't directed at me ;)
Oct 22 14:30:25 <Estel> blink, yeah, mind fart
Oct 22 14:30:31 <Estel> semanty: ^^ xD whoops
Oct 22 14:30:39 <Estel> Sorry asperon :)
Oct 22 14:31:00 <semanty> Estel: oh, can you help?
Oct 22 14:31:52 <the_fog> asperon what about just storing the position of the item being dragged and reseting if dragged out of bounds
Oct 22 14:32:12 <Estel> semanty: read what I said
Oct 22 14:32:41 <asperon> the_fog, yeah, thats what i am doing now, but it doesn't make such a good ui experiance, i would prefer for the dragged item to stick inside the bounding view
Oct 22 14:34:14 <Zharf> there is some weird stuff with UrlConnection in java, it's one of those java things
Oct 22 14:34:55 <the_fog> so the item "floats" on the boundary until the user drags the touch back inside?
Oct 22 14:35:27 <asperon> the_fog, yes, that would be ideal
Oct 22 14:35:46 <Zharf> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/01/17/HttpURLConnection
Oct 22 14:35:57 <asperon> i am looking at onTouchEvent and to capture the EVENT_MOVE, i was just hoping that the was a more standard way to do it
Oct 22 14:39:01 <supay> how would i code this layout in Android?
Oct 22 14:39:02 <supay> https://sketch.io/render/sketch5447c170930a9.png
Oct 22 14:40:27 <blusky> supay: what's supposed to happen when you click on the "EditText" part ?
Oct 22 14:40:32 <blusky> virtual keyboard ? where ?
Oct 22 14:41:05 <supay> blusky: yep.. the normal keyboard popus up below the EditText and Button
Oct 22 14:41:09 <the_fog> asperon  I haven't used the drag and drop APIs so unsure, but just having a quick look there.... can you use ACTION_DRAG_EXITED to store last position of item when drag stops, and pick it up from there when the drag re-enters the view bounds?
Oct 22 14:41:10 <supay> like on Whatsapp
Oct 22 14:41:30 <pfn> two linear layouts or one relative layout
Oct 22 14:41:32 <pfn> easy
Oct 22 14:42:10 <shvelo> Just updated my app to Material-ish design using AppCompat, took almost no changes. Awesome
Oct 22 14:42:16 <supay> pfn: really? so RL ( LL, LL) ? RL is Relative Layout and LL is Linear Layout
Oct 22 14:44:02 <ChrisUK> will the android OS close your app if it uses too much memory?
Oct 22 14:44:59 <supay> blusky: any ideas? :/ pfn ?
Oct 22 14:45:33 <shvelo> ChrisUK, depends on the available memory I think
Oct 22 14:45:55 <pfn> yes
Oct 22 14:46:14 <FrancescoV> somebody uses otto (event bus)?
Oct 22 14:46:26 <supay> pfn: .. and they are?
Oct 22 14:46:49 <pfn> supay, learn to visualize
Oct 22 14:46:56 <pfn> ChrisUK, and of course, too much = too much
Oct 22 14:47:01 <shvelo> when does Handler.postDelayed terminate? should I explicitly disable it on onStop?
Oct 22 14:47:15 <shvelo> (I'm calling it recursively)
Oct 22 14:47:21 <supay> i did. i tried doing Linear Layout that has one vertical Linear Layout and one horizontal Linear Layout..
Oct 22 14:47:27 <supay> but that didn't seem to do the trick
Oct 22 14:47:28 <pfn> supay, then you're done
Oct 22 14:47:34 <pfn> but it does
Oct 22 14:47:40 <pfn> learn the options available to you
Oct 22 14:47:46 <ChrisUK> pfn: can you get about it
Oct 22 14:47:52 <ChrisUK> I mean I would like to allocate 100mb or so
Oct 22 14:47:53 <pfn> ChrisUK, use less memory, obviously
Oct 22 14:47:59 <blusky> supay: google "edittext android virtual keyboard", ==> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14579191/android-edittext-have-always-padding-from-bottom
Oct 22 14:48:01 <pfn> 100mb is probably fine
Oct 22 14:48:38 <pfn> on new devices at least
Oct 22 14:49:06 <blusky> if it doesn't answer your question, look at 2nd result, then 3rd, ... i'm sure a lot of people tried to make a "whatsapp" like view before :-)
Oct 22 14:50:06 <blusky> but the way you ask the question let me think you didn't try it hardly enough yet ^^
Oct 22 14:50:08 <supay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7e8SmIZd
Oct 22 14:50:18 <supay> lol pfn ^
Oct 22 14:50:36 <ChrisUK> is there a way of finding out how much I have available?
Oct 22 14:50:44 <supay> blusky: fair enough..
Oct 22 14:50:54 <ChrisUK> before the OS closes my app down
Oct 22 14:51:49 <pfn> supay, 1, you don't need weight sum, 2, you don't need to specify a weight on the input row
Oct 22 14:52:02 <pfn> supay, think about it logically
Oct 22 14:52:20 <pfn> supay, and for that matter, never create layouts with only a single child
Oct 22 14:52:46 <pfn> and also, do not use fill_parent, the correct value is always match_parent
Oct 22 14:53:00 <pfn> if you're using fill_parent, you're thinking wrong
Oct 22 14:53:46 <pfn> once you make those changes, think about your layout sizes, and the answer is immediately apparent why the shit don't work
Oct 22 14:53:51 <shmoon> i read monkey stress tester tool sends system level events, like ?
Oct 22 14:53:52 <shmoon> or what does that mean, apart from click, keyboard, etc. events
Oct 22 14:54:29 <semanty> Estel: i delete the getresponse , it seems OK, but my django server can;t get the data
Oct 22 14:54:34 <semanty> Estel: https://dpaste.de/QOmq
Oct 22 14:56:08 <supay> pfn: LOL. "and the answer is immediately apparent why the shit don't work"
Oct 22 14:56:13 <Estel> semanty: you deleted the log event on line 164?
Oct 22 14:56:22 <semanty> yes
Oct 22 14:56:38 <supay> thank you pfn :)
Oct 22 14:56:48 <pfn> interesting, at least on 4.4, but with ART, acra reporter doesn't work, neat
Oct 22 14:57:05 <pfn> at least for post-crash reporting, need to re-start the app for it to report
Oct 22 14:57:37 <semanty> Estel: android can goes smoothly, but the django serve cannot get data, just None
Oct 22 14:59:07 <Estel> semanty: well, not sure if that's an Android issue :P Presumably you're making the wrong HTTP request, which is a different issue.
Oct 22 14:59:24 <Estel> Have you considered using smoething like OkHttp?
Oct 22 15:00:54 <semanty> Estel: how could use log to show the data has been posted out successfully?
Oct 22 15:01:00 <killer> hey, i retrieved all d rows and columns in a cursor and used moveToNext ,moveToPrevious to move through , is there a way i can load a row with specific id , moveToPosition doesn't work like id
Oct 22 15:01:27 <supay> pfn: still can't stop laughing.. :P
Oct 22 15:03:35 <semanty> Estel: never knows that OK http
Oct 22 15:09:08 <supay> blusky, pfn: the weightSum seems to be messing up my app every time the keyboard pops up.. here is the improved code (thanks to pfn):
Oct 22 15:09:15 <supay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Gh3hxNK9
Oct 22 15:09:27 <pfn> screenshot what it looks like
Oct 22 15:09:32 <pfn> too lazy to read your layout
Oct 22 15:09:55 <pfn> supay, think about it, does the edittext ever need to stretch?
Oct 22 15:10:21 <supay> pfn: hmm, okay.. one moment
Oct 22 15:10:26 <Mavrik> huh
Oct 22 15:10:39 <Mavrik> Getting OOM errors while there are bunch of bitmaps ready to be GCed
Oct 22 15:10:41 <pfn> or rather, does the row it's in ever need to stretch
Oct 22 15:10:45 <Mavrik> MAT showing no references, what gives
Oct 22 15:10:49 <pfn> or does the button need to stretch
Oct 22 15:11:01 <pfn> and why would the edittext be smaller than the button...
Oct 22 15:11:47 <supay> pfn: it isn't.. thats the messed up thing.. it look correct with the current weights!
Oct 22 15:12:43 <pfn> think about the sizes you specified
Oct 22 15:12:59 <pfn> why should both the edittext and button be match_parent width?
Oct 22 15:13:08 <supay> pfn: the screenshot - http://imgur.com/bi4Iitz
Oct 22 15:13:18 <pfn> and think about what that means
Oct 22 15:13:22 <supay> oh wait. thats true
Oct 22 15:13:34 <supay> hang on, removing that and seeing if that helps
Oct 22 15:13:40 <supay> (i doubt it will)
Oct 22 15:17:22 <supay> pfn: fixed the code but that didn't help or make a difference
Oct 22 15:17:28 <pfn> of course it made a difference
Oct 22 15:17:39 <pfn> but I don't know what's broken according to your screenshot, or what you're trying to accomplish
Oct 22 15:18:42 <supay> pfn: lol.. make a difference to my original problem i mean, sorry
Oct 22 15:19:05 <supay> pfn: and im trying to stop the softkeyboard from pushing up my view and making the elements look smaller (thinner) and funny
Oct 22 15:19:13 <pfn> quit setting weights
Oct 22 15:19:15 <supay> trying a solution from google.. fingers crossed
Oct 22 15:19:17 <pfn> and it won't
Oct 22 15:19:25 <supay> pfn: what else do i do?
Oct 22 15:19:35 <supay> i dont want to set heights (fixed heights)
Oct 22 15:19:48 <pfn> you set it to wrap content
Oct 22 15:19:51 <pfn> and quit setting weights
Oct 22 15:20:00 <pfn> and yes, you should use fixed heights
Oct 22 15:20:22 <pfn> if you use weights, you will always end up with stuff stretching and squishing
Oct 22 15:20:25 <pfn> that's what weight means
Oct 22 15:20:26 <osipovas> supay; try putting your ui elements in a scroll view
Oct 22 15:20:42 <osipovas> then if the keyboard opens up the user can scroll down and fill them all out
Oct 22 15:20:59 <supay> pfn: wouldn't fixed heights mean that i would need to worry about all the different dimensions of screen sizes that android can support?
Oct 22 15:21:24 <yoavst> can someone try textView.setError("test") with the new AppCompat v21 and tell me if it looks fine?
Oct 22 15:21:25 <osipovas> not if you do it in dip
Oct 22 15:21:28 <supay> osipovas: thank you for the answer, but it doesn't seem like an elegant solution.. i mean, UX-wise
Oct 22 15:21:37 <supay> osipovas: oh, okay.. i did not know that
Oct 22 15:22:18 <supay> pfn: thanks! :)
Oct 22 15:22:20 <osipovas> supay alternatively you only have one edit text per screen and you go through multiple screens rather than just one
Oct 22 15:22:32 <osipovas> there is no way to tell what size a keyboard will be
Oct 22 15:22:40 <osipovas> there some custom keyboards that take an obnoxious amount of space
Oct 22 15:22:50 <supay> okay.. interesting!
Oct 22 15:22:57 <supay> thanks osipovas, i'll try that as well! :)
Oct 22 15:23:01 <pfn> supay, no
Oct 22 15:23:05 <pfn> supay, that's why you use dp
Oct 22 15:23:46 <supay> pfn: so i dont need to worry about anything except my own app? however fkin high the soft-keyboard may be?
Oct 22 15:23:50 <supay> thats a good deal! :D
Oct 22 15:23:53 <supay> i'll take it and run
Oct 22 15:35:07 <supay> HOLY CRAP, I DID IT!
Oct 22 15:35:10 <supay> I love you pfn <3
Oct 22 15:36:27 <rymate1234> yau
Oct 22 15:36:31 <rymate1234> yay
Oct 22 15:36:45 <supay> ;D
Oct 22 15:46:33 <Kottizen> Hi everyone. Is it possible to simulate an NFC card with an Android phone?
Oct 22 15:48:33 <danijoo> What am I doing wrong here? https://gist.github.com/danijoo/95d1bdc3ca6966cb326c
Oct 22 15:48:43 <Sculptor> Kottizen, you might find this interesting http://hydrabus.com/hydranfc-1-0-specifications/
Oct 22 15:48:48 <danijoo> im trying to use that roolbar.inflateMenu option on AppCompat Material Toolbar
Oct 22 15:49:06 <Sculptor> Kottizen, you can also find the dev on freenode - his nickname is bvernoux
Oct 22 15:49:09 <danijoo> The toolbar is showing up as it is supposed to, but doesnt inflate the menu
Oct 22 15:49:37 <danijoo> if I inflate it in onCreateOptionsMenu (the old way), its working
Oct 22 15:49:59 <Kottizen> Sculptor: Thank you, I'll look into that! :)
Oct 22 15:50:12 <Sculptor> np
Oct 22 15:55:53 <andreyrd> what does DexIndexOverflowException mean?
Oct 22 15:55:59 <andreyrd> I can't find anything on it >.>
Oct 22 15:56:47 <danijoo> what does the message say?
Oct 22 15:56:58 <danijoo> it it contains "65536", you are fucked.
Oct 22 15:57:29 <Sculptor> Kottizen, usually he hangs out in #airspy, but he's not online atm
Oct 22 15:57:39 <Sculptor> airspy is his 2nd project
Oct 22 15:57:40 <andreyrd> it does danijoo
Oct 22 15:57:58 <Sculptor> airspy will also work nice with android phones
Oct 22 15:58:00 <danijoo> andreyrd: theres a limit of 65536 methods per dex file
Oct 22 15:58:10 <andreyrd> :<
Oct 22 15:58:11 <danijoo> if you have more methods defined, it cant build the file
Oct 22 15:58:21 <danijoo> this includes methods from all libraries and support libs
Oct 22 15:58:23 * andreyrd curses at facebook sdk
Oct 22 15:58:52 <danijoo> yeah. thats one of those *evil* libs ^^
Oct 22 15:59:00 <Estel> Like the rest of them
Oct 22 15:59:03 <Estel> andreyrd: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+IanLake/posts/JW9x4pcB1rj
Oct 22 15:59:16 <danijoo> http://android-developers.blogspot.co.il/2011/07/custom-class-loading-in-dalvik.html this is a good source on how to ship arround this error
Oct 22 15:59:34 <Estel> There's a new support library available to fix it :)
Oct 22 15:59:47 <andreyrd> nice
Oct 22 15:59:50 <Estel> You just need to add a gradle script to split them
Oct 22 16:00:00 <andreyrd> but...i probably should try proguard first like he suggests
Oct 22 16:00:05 * andreyrd isn't using gradle
Oct 22 16:00:08 <andreyrd> i tried switching
Oct 22 16:00:19 <Estel> Proguard isn't a useful solution, it makes debugging impossible.
Oct 22 16:00:26 <andreyrd> but...it got messy :p
Oct 22 16:00:29 <andreyrd> true :\
Oct 22 16:00:38 <andreyrd> can't you make it strip but not obfuscate?
Oct 22 16:00:54 <Estel> There's a good script out there to strip Google Play services of uneeded libraries, try that if you don't want to multidex.
Oct 22 16:01:18 <Estel> You can take out about 10,000 methods if you don't need Games, Drive, etc.
Oct 22 16:01:41 <andreyrd> nope
Oct 22 16:02:10 <Estel> That said, I've only seen that as a Gradle script: https://gist.github.com/dmarcato/d7c91b94214acd936e42 but I'm sure you could adopt it to your build system of choice
Oct 22 16:06:47 <andreyrd> dammit, when i enable proguard i get 225 errors :p
Oct 22 16:07:46 <danijoo> proguard is really hard to config
Oct 22 16:08:01 <danijoo> because you need to make settings depending on what libraries you use
Oct 22 16:08:07 <danijoo> or it will break dependencies
Oct 22 16:08:28 <danijoo> I already gave up on that. seems to be impossible if you dont do it from project beginning on ^^;
Oct 22 16:09:17 <supay> why is this giving me an error?
Oct 22 16:09:18 <supay> <item android:state_pressed="true" android:drawable="@color/blue" />
Oct 22 16:09:26 <supay> it says - "<item> tag requires a 'drawable' attribute or child tag defining a"
Oct 22 16:11:00 <supay> can't i change the background color when my button is pressed?
Oct 22 16:11:20 <danijoo> a color isnt a drawable
Oct 22 16:11:30 <danijoo> replace android:drawable with android:color
Oct 22 16:12:12 <shmoon> still learning...
Oct 22 16:12:16 <danijoo> :) np
Oct 22 16:12:34 <supay> oh.. ok
Oct 22 16:13:19 <supay> danijoo: but then AS gives me an error - <item> tag requires a 'drawable' attribute or child tag defining a drawable
Oct 22 16:14:35 <Estel> Go the other way, you need to make a drawable that's a color drawable
Oct 22 16:15:29 <danijoo> see: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/color-list-resource.html
Oct 22 16:15:32 <SimonVT> Color selectors go in res/color/
Oct 22 16:15:49 <danijoo> good point SimonVT
Oct 22 16:16:39 <supay> i see, alright! :D
Oct 22 16:16:50 <supay> thank you Estel, danijoo and SimonVT <3
Oct 22 16:29:54 <g00s> sooo anyone have a good strategy on how to make PreferenceActivity / PreferenceFragment look at least semi-decent when in an app using appcompat? If I replace PreferenceActivity with ActionBarActivity, the PrefFragment still looks like crap (dark grey)
Oct 22 16:30:04 <platzhirsch> Are there any libraries to deal with emoticons?
Oct 22 16:30:13 <platzhirsch> For instance displaying the Android emoticons instead of the unicode?
Oct 22 16:32:57 <pfn> platzhirsch, the android fonts automatically render the emoji
Oct 22 16:33:24 <platzhirsch> pfn: oh, mine where empty.. that must be an API endpoint thing then
Oct 22 16:33:31 <pfn> 😁
Oct 22 16:33:39 <pfn> shows up fine for me
Oct 22 16:34:38 <platzhirsch> mhmm... I sent 😍 of the web interface of our site, and it sent me the JSON message which is displayed as \uf60d
Oct 22 16:34:47 <platzhirsch> resulting in an empty message, maybe I need to re-encode?
Oct 22 16:35:00 <pfn> funnily enough, it shows fine in android, but doesn't show up right in windows
Oct 22 16:35:01 <platzhirsch> respectively decode
Oct 22 16:35:01 <pfn> hah
Oct 22 16:36:47 <eghdk> Any way to make Android Studio behave like Eclipse for errors (like imports?). For instance I wrote a Toast.makeText() and it's complaining, but when I hover over it it just says cannot resolve symbol.
Oct 22 16:38:21 <pfn> ooh, appcompat includes the new drawer toggle icon, nice
Oct 22 16:39:22 <g00s> this is weird https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-developers/EDlzEiYJ-wE
Oct 22 16:40:05 <g00s> this guy has his app removed ... but nothing makes sense
Oct 22 16:41:51 * g00s wonders if devs would be more successful appealing if instead if communicating directly with google's bot, they wrote their own bot to talk to the google bot. the corss species communication is failing
Oct 22 16:43:55 <Leeds> they really really fucking need to deal with the arrogant "we've reviewed your appeal and FUCK OFF AND DIE" messages
Oct 22 16:44:09 <g00s> yeah thats insulting
Oct 22 16:44:43 <eghdk> Yeah it blows
Oct 22 16:45:34 <Leeds> it would be a very positive thing if they'd show any sign of differentiating between 'innocent' minor violations and major crimes
Oct 22 16:47:21 <hexafluoride> hey
Oct 22 16:47:34 <hexafluoride> <hexafluoride> my .dex file has a single entry on the string table
Oct 22 16:47:34 <hexafluoride> <hexafluoride> and that entry contains all the strings smushed into one
Oct 22 16:47:34 <hexafluoride> <hexafluoride> why is that?
Oct 22 16:47:36 <hexafluoride> basically, this
Oct 22 16:48:50 <Leeds> hexafluoride: are you saying the build tools are failing?
Oct 22 16:48:57 <hexafluoride> Leeds, no, dx works fine
Oct 22 16:49:10 <hexafluoride> but the string table contains one entry
Oct 22 16:49:14 <hexafluoride> which contains all the strings
Oct 22 16:49:25 <Leeds> and this is making your app behave oddly?
Oct 22 16:49:28 <hexafluoride> according to the reference, strings should be in separate entries
Oct 22 16:49:34 <hexafluoride> Leeds, no, I'm developing a Dalvik VM
Oct 22 16:50:10 <hexafluoride> well, just at the parsing stage right now
Oct 22 16:51:23 <g00s> i'm coming across lots of little gotchas usingappcompt; i used to be able to requestWindowFeature in fragment.onAttach() but not any more
Oct 22 16:52:20 <g00s> so ActionBarActivity must be doing something with the decor view before it even attaches fragments
Oct 22 16:53:04 <g00s> only to be documented in sweat and tears :)
Oct 22 16:53:21 <hexafluoride> can anyone answer my "question"?
Oct 22 16:53:44 <bubbleguuum> looks like AppCompat is going to be buggy...
Oct 22 16:54:20 <OverCoder> join #android-root
Oct 22 16:54:23 <OverCoder> o sorry
Oct 22 17:04:13 <OverCoder> I made an ImageButton programmatically, I've setBackgroundResource(), the resource is an XML file containing a selector to change the color depending on state, when i run the app, the background changes the way it's meant to be, but it's a little bit slow
Oct 22 17:04:16 <OverCoder> can somebody tell me why?
Oct 22 17:04:49 <OverCoder> takes like .25 to .5 second to change as far as i think
Oct 22 17:10:17 <viperZ28> Hi all, I want to create some custom views using Paint/Graphics and animcation. Are there any tools that I can use that provide real time updates?
Oct 22 17:15:04 <shadynastys> Can someone please help me understand the reality of the activity lifecycle? specifically on pause on resume What really gets called? I have created test projects and xamined the lifecycle. from what i have read i am guarenteed that onresume will get called once when the activity comes to the front. From what i have gathered from a real project is that i am not guarenteed that onResume
Oct 22 17:15:05 <shadynastys> will get called ONLY once when the activity is resumed. is this correct and why is this happening? https://gist.github.com/px-amaac/b1bdc5aea117acea06a3
Oct 22 17:17:36 <pfn> man, turning ART on made development so slow
Oct 22 17:17:48 <pfn> install takes forever now
Oct 22 17:21:26 <gdrc> pfn: really?
Oct 22 17:22:15 <pfn> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Spinner adapter view type count must be 1
Oct 22 17:22:20 <pfn> ugh, damnit appcompat, y u do dis
Oct 22 17:23:52 <g00s> heh
Oct 22 17:24:51 <g00s> pfn iosched uses spinners, maybe they do something
Oct 22 17:25:22 <killer> hey , how can i het get the position of the current row using cursor , I know moveToPosition exists but how can i know the current  particular position?
Oct 22 17:25:23 <pfn> installs used to take <10 seconds, now they're over 20 seconds with art turned on
Oct 22 17:26:23 <SimonVT> killer: Uh, getPosition() ?
Oct 22 17:27:11 <g00s> pfn is that because the of the dex to oat conversion ?
Oct 22 17:28:24 <killer> SimonVT: thnx ,seems like it should work
Oct 22 17:29:31 <shmooz> pfn: could that be because ART is less JIT than dalvik ?
Oct 22 17:32:40 <Tomashe> hey guys , im trying to upload my first apk file to google play
Oct 22 17:33:28 <Tomashe> first they told me i need to use the align tool but even then they say it is on debug mode , im using eclipse i dont see any way to change it from debug to release . in addtiional i added to the manifest file the debugging=false
Oct 22 17:33:34 <Tomashe> i need some help
Oct 22 17:35:27 <g00s> Tomashe doesn't matter, eclipse or android studio ...
Oct 22 17:35:42 <g00s> when you are doing a release for play, best practice is to use a command line build
Oct 22 17:36:11 <Tomashe> hmm
Oct 22 17:36:13 <Tomashe> ok
Oct 22 17:36:15 <Tomashe> i never did that
Oct 22 17:36:17 <Tomashe> how do i do that?
Oct 22 17:36:45 <g00s> i haven't used eclipse in a long time. i guess you have to decide whether to export a gradle thing or use the old ant based stuff
Oct 22 17:36:55 <g00s> i don't know which is better from eclipse though
Oct 22 17:37:25 <Tomashe> how do i use the command line of my project?
Oct 22 17:37:34 <g00s> look for something in ADT like 'export project as gradle' etc
Oct 22 17:37:36 <Tomashe> maybe i should just do everything on the eclipse but use the command line to make the last release
Oct 22 17:37:45 <g00s> Tomashe yeah, just the release is fine
Oct 22 17:37:55 <Tomashe> ok. how do i do it ?
Oct 22 17:38:36 <g00s> uh, well i dont know how to export gradle (you'll have to check the docs). for creating ant build system, thats definitely in the docs (android update project) or something
Oct 22 17:38:53 <Tomashe> ok
Oct 22 17:44:24 <Tomashe> in eclipse i got 2 options in export : export android application OR generate gradle build files
Oct 22 17:44:35 <Tomashe> u said something about the second optin before
Oct 22 17:45:34 <g00s> you can do either; i'm not sure what is best for you. you'll have to study up on gradle its likely either way, some tweaking is required
Oct 22 17:46:40 <g00s> do you guys find the fonts for Material way too damn small ?
Oct 22 17:47:02 <g00s> at least by default, the appcompt stuff has made my fonts so tiny !
Oct 22 17:51:34 <Tomashe> now i get that msg
Oct 22 17:51:37 <Tomashe> You uploaded an APK signed with a certificate that is not yet valid. You need to sign your APK with a certificate that is currently valid
Oct 22 17:54:24 <rclsilver> hi.. i'm looking for making an "settings" activity
Oct 22 17:54:43 <rclsilver> i would like to have a list of actions and each action is linked to an activity
Oct 22 17:54:48 <rclsilver> how to achieve this ?
Oct 22 17:54:57 <ravilov> ... did you at least *try* to google this?
Oct 22 17:55:14 <rclsilver> yes.. i googled "list view" and "settings activity"
Oct 22 17:55:27 <ravilov> it's called preferences, not settings
Oct 22 17:55:31 <rclsilver> i get a lot of answers but i don't known what is the best way to do this
Oct 22 17:55:33 <ravilov> and every preferences activity is a listview
Oct 22 17:55:38 <rclsilver> oki
Oct 22 17:55:45 <rclsilver> i'll take a look on this, thx
Oct 22 17:56:05 <g00s> rclsilver use PreferenceFragment
Oct 22 17:56:29 <takn> Does anyone know if the app store allows different apks signed w/ the same key?
Oct 22 17:56:56 <rclsilver> g00s: PreferencesActivity+PreferenceFragment, right ?
Oct 22 17:57:00 <StingRay_> takn what would be the use of that ?
Oct 22 17:57:06 <rclsilver> i'm on the preferences activity manual
Oct 22 17:57:10 <rclsilver> i'm reading it
Oct 22 17:57:10 <pfn> shmooz, no, because ART pre compiles on-install
Oct 22 17:57:20 <pfn> shmooz, so because of the pre-compiling, it takes dramatically longer to install
Oct 22 17:57:31 <g00s> rclsilver i would avoid PrefActivity atm; appcompat doesn't really work well with it
Oct 22 17:57:31 <pfn> shmooz, yes, basically, less JIT, it's up-front, not JIT
Oct 22 17:57:59 <rclsilver> the application target is 4.2.2 and more
Oct 22 17:58:00 <g00s> i think i'll stay on 4.4.4 for a while
Oct 22 17:58:07 <rclsilver> then i don't use app compat mode
Oct 22 17:58:24 <g00s> rclsilver well you probably will to do material stuff
Oct 22 17:58:40 * pfn uses appcompat to get new shiny material theme
Oct 22 17:59:20 <takn> StingRay_ , i basically have several similar apps.. let’s say 10 apps w/ different skins and content… I’m wondering if i can just use the same key to sign them all or if I need to create a key for each
Oct 22 17:59:41 <takn> ultimately this will be for an automated process
Oct 22 17:59:52 <gordon_> pfn: how is it? :)
Oct 22 18:00:10 <StingRay_> by key you mean your generated keystore for release builds ?
Oct 22 18:00:19 <takn> yes
Oct 22 18:00:34 <pfn> gordon_, is what?
Oct 22 18:01:07 <gordon_> mterial themes
Oct 22 18:01:08 <g00s> i liked the way my app looked on Holo more than appcompat on holo
Oct 22 18:01:10 <gordon_> in support lib
Oct 22 18:01:44 <ChrisUK> so basically you cant use more than 64mb of memory in an app
Oct 22 18:01:50 <ChrisUK> without risking it being closed down by the OS?
Oct 22 18:02:08 <pfn> adb -s T062005BNT shell screenrecord '/sdcard/drawer.mp4'
Oct 22 18:02:08 <pfn> Unable to open 'C:/Program Files (x86)/Git/sdcard/drawer.mp4': No such file or directory
Oct 22 18:02:11 <pfn> I really hate git-bash sometimes
Oct 22 18:02:17 <JacobTabak> lol windows
Oct 22 18:02:29 <JacobTabak> well, i hate on osx how you can't change the casing of a file in git
Oct 22 18:02:33 <JacobTabak> its like my biggest pet peeve
Oct 22 18:05:53 <g00s> hey Napalm
Oct 22 18:05:56 <Napalm> hey g00s
Oct 22 18:06:05 <g00s> what are you up to ?
Oct 22 18:06:13 <Napalm> fixing some ad code
Oct 22 18:06:15 <Napalm> #:(
Oct 22 18:06:31 <pfn> gordon_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vokl63_EKZg&feature=youtu.be
Oct 22 18:06:38 <pfn> although, qicr doesn't really have much to show for the theme
Oct 22 18:06:38 <pfn> heh
Oct 22 18:06:49 <Napalm> I/Ads(12452): Received log message: <"string": "<Google:HTML> You are using version 6.4.1 of the AdMob SDK which is non-compliant with the Google Play Ad Policy (http://goo.gl/6OZelH). On August 1st, 2014, Google Play will stop accepting updates to apps using this SDK. Upgrade to Google Play services now to avoid this deadline.", "afmaNotifyDt": "null">
Oct 22 18:06:52 <Napalm> sucks
Oct 22 18:06:52 <Napalm> !
Oct 22 18:07:08 <JacobTabak> that does suck
Oct 22 18:07:17 <JacobTabak> do you already have gms in your app?
Oct 22 18:07:20 <gordon_> nice !
Oct 22 18:07:21 <pfn> and youtube video processing slow
Oct 22 18:08:22 <gordon_> think so ;)
Oct 22 18:08:55 <Napalm> JacobTabak: nope, so its extra sucky
Oct 22 18:09:00 <JacobTabak> yea super sucky
Oct 22 18:09:13 <g00s> i think google should ban itself for being noncompliant
Oct 22 18:09:34 <Napalm> g00s: you got a change-log for builds-tools 21.0.1 or 21.0.2
Oct 22 18:09:46 <JacobTabak> man my go-to log tag of 'derp' is being foiled by binderproxy
Oct 22 18:09:50 <g00s> Napalm no :(
Oct 22 18:10:11 <g00s> they seem to play loosey goosey with changelogs
Oct 22 18:10:23 <Napalm> now its triple sucky.. its API is different
Oct 22 18:10:49 <JacobTabak> i see what you did there
Oct 22 18:10:53 <JacobTabak> l00sey g00sey
Oct 22 18:10:57 <g00s> :)
Oct 22 18:10:59 <tricknology_> hey anyone have experience importing a git project into intellij?
Oct 22 18:11:04 * tricknology_ finally got it
Oct 22 18:11:40 <shadynastys> omg My problem is only on my Phone. WTH. Is there a known problem that causes all apps to fire on pause on resume multiple times when an app is started?  Here is my LogCat with Logging in all lifecycle methods on a blank hello world project. https://gist.github.com/px-amaac/b1bdc5aea117acea06a3/edit
Oct 22 18:11:45 <tricknology_> I have some projects that are in an eclipse workspace linked up to a local git repo, wondering if there are any caveats there
Oct 22 18:12:54 <g00s> man seems like 21 emulators won't even start on mac 10.10
Oct 22 18:13:19 <StingRay_> g00s O.O you are 10.10 ?
Oct 22 18:13:33 <g00s> no i'm just reading a thread with lots of pain and tears
Oct 22 18:14:02 <gordon_> emulators on mac gives me kernel panic :D
Oct 22 18:14:09 <StingRay_> oh, gonna say, you either very silly or a little brave … or a socialite
Oct 22 18:14:35 <gordon_> did google say something when they will give sources ?
Oct 22 18:14:36 <g00s> gordon_ even with: $ sudo nvram boot-args="kext-dev-mode=1"
Oct 22 18:15:01 <g00s> everybody is like, OMG genymotion save uuuusss
Oct 22 18:15:30 <gordon_> no sources, no genymotion ;)
Oct 22 18:19:21 <g00s> http://www.wired.com/2014/10/twitter-fabric-sdk/
Oct 22 18:20:01 <tricknology_> I’m tryign to import a project from Eclipse and I’m not havign very much luck.. I see a .idea folder but no source
Oct 22 18:20:32 <g00s> looks like crashlytics is now part of fiber ... which means my prediction was correct
Oct 22 18:20:38 <g00s> i'm always right with this shit !
Oct 22 18:20:45 <Odaym> JacobTabak, I was just trying your customdrawertoggle solution on a different project (one that did not have any menu items) and the constructor takes just as the superclass actionbarDrawerToggle takes but does not place the ic_drawer anywhere..
Oct 22 18:20:51 <g00s> (unfortunately)
Oct 22 18:21:46 <JacobTabak> Odaym not sure what you mean
Oct 22 18:22:02 <Odaym> you give it a drawable ic_drawer icon, right?
Oct 22 18:22:13 <Odaym> the one it's going to use to perform the opening and closing of the drawer
Oct 22 18:22:21 <Odaym> the 3 vertical dashes, for example
Oct 22 18:22:27 <JacobTabak> yes...
Oct 22 18:22:33 <Odaym> well it doesnt put it anywhere
Oct 22 18:22:47 <JacobTabak> it goes to the constructor of drawer toggle
Oct 22 18:22:53 <Odaym> yea, I know
Oct 22 18:23:00 <JacobTabak> so what are you saying
Oct 22 18:23:05 <Odaym> it doesnt end up on screen automagically though
Oct 22 18:23:39 <JacobTabak> actionbardrawertoggle is deprecated now
Oct 22 18:23:40 <JacobTabak> did you know?
Oct 22 18:23:45 <Odaym> no
Oct 22 18:23:47 <Napalm> you use the new one in v7
Oct 22 18:23:47 <JacobTabak> you're supposed to use the one in support-v7-appcompat
Oct 22 18:23:59 <Sixmsj> is there a way to prevent edittext from changing?
Oct 22 18:24:03 <JacobTabak> Sixmsj disable it
Oct 22 18:24:14 <Odaym> ok, let me just
Oct 22 18:24:47 <Sixmsj> in iOS there’s a ‘should change text’ type callback that lets me determine if the text entered should be changed or not
Oct 22 18:25:10 <Sixmsj> disabling it on the beforetextchanged event should work JacobTabak ?
Oct 22 18:25:36 <JacobTabak> uhh
Oct 22 18:25:52 <JacobTabak> are you saying you want to filter input to an edittext?
Oct 22 18:26:01 <JacobTabak> like disable certain charrs?
Oct 22 18:26:12 <JacobTabak> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3349121/how-do-i-use-inputfilter-to-limit-characters-in-an-edittext-in-android
Oct 22 18:26:25 <Sixmsj> im trying to reproduce iMessage’s backspace mechanism when selecting new contacts
Oct 22 18:26:38 <Sixmsj> you enter in a name, it goes into the textview, and if you press backspace
Oct 22 18:26:49 <Sixmsj> instead of deleting the last character, it highlights the entire person’s name
Oct 22 18:27:10 <Sixmsj> in iOS, this is fairly straightforward because of that ‘should change text’ callback you get
Oct 22 18:27:17 <Sixmsj> not sure what the equivalent is in android
Oct 22 18:28:14 <JacobTabak> just make note of the value of the edittext in beforeTextChanged
Oct 22 18:29:52 <Odaym> is appcompatv4 included in the latest SDK's?
Oct 22 18:29:59 <JacobTabak> no
Oct 22 18:30:18 <JacobTabak> Sixmsj you probably want to extend EditText and override onKeyDown
Oct 22 18:30:30 <Odaym> well I'm able to reference classes from it without having imported it or anything
Oct 22 18:32:13 <Odaym> no, scratch that
Oct 22 18:32:30 <tricknology_> Hey Odaym
Oct 22 18:32:55 <andreyrd> Ugh I really don't want to do this multiple dex thing
Oct 22 18:32:58 <Odaym> hi
Oct 22 18:33:02 <JacobTabak> andreyrd you shouldn't have to
Oct 22 18:33:15 <andreyrd> JacobTabak, method limit
Oct 22 18:33:23 <Sixmsj> strip google play andreyrd
Oct 22 18:33:24 <Sixmsj> :D
Oct 22 18:33:32 <JacobTabak> andreyrd there are lots of workarounds is what im saying
Oct 22 18:33:43 <JacobTabak> and nobody uses multiple dex in production anyway
Oct 22 18:33:46 <andreyrd> I don't use gradle, the script I was given was for gradle :/
Oct 22 18:33:59 <JacobTabak> andreyrd its' independent of gradle
Oct 22 18:34:03 <JacobTabak> all you need to do is repackage the jars
Oct 22 18:34:19 <JacobTabak> also, you can run proguard on your debug builds (although it does slow you down a bit)
Oct 22 18:34:29 <andreyrd> I can't get proguard to work
Oct 22 18:34:34 <JacobTabak> ok, fix that
Oct 22 18:34:42 <andreyrd> I've been trying :(
Oct 22 18:34:45 <JacobTabak> andreyrd we also use GMS 4.3 rather than 5+ or 6+
Oct 22 18:34:49 <JacobTabak> it's 1/3rd the size
Oct 22 18:35:04 <andreyrd> GMS?
Oct 22 18:35:12 <andreyrd> Google Play Services?
Oct 22 18:35:16 <JacobTabak> yes
Oct 22 18:35:19 <andreyrd> Hmm
Oct 22 18:35:31 <JacobTabak> just use the minimum version that has the features you need
Oct 22 18:35:48 <andreyrd> I just use it for GCM
Oct 22 18:36:07 <JacobTabak> ok then drop that shit
Oct 22 18:36:09 <JacobTabak> to like 4.0 or w/e
Oct 22 18:36:31 <tricknology_> So I imported a new project into IDEA and my src project is yellow instead of blue..
Oct 22 18:36:50 <tricknology_> anyoen know how to change it? (src folder, I meant)
Oct 22 18:37:16 <JacobTabak> you can right click anything in the project explorer and mark source as source root, test root,e tc
Oct 22 18:37:25 <andreyrd> OK thanks JacobTabak
Oct 22 18:37:26 <JacobTabak> or you can go to project structure (cmd + ;) and set sources there
Oct 22 18:37:36 <JacobTabak> i dont know what you mean by yellow though
Oct 22 18:37:37 <hexafluoride> can anyone verify that the uleb128 value(0x01, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x02) is equal to 0?
Oct 22 18:37:37 <JacobTabak> or blue
Oct 22 18:37:47 <andreyrd> Any ideas for Facebook SDK (I use it only for login)
Oct 22 18:38:02 <JacobTabak> andreyrd since its' open source you can remove anything you don't need or want
Oct 22 18:38:20 <andreyrd> Okay, I guess I'll go through and do that :p
Oct 22 18:38:23 <tricknology_> ah thanks.. i just needed to right click the src folder >> mark directory as >> sources root
Oct 22 18:38:28 <JacobTabak> you should be fine for now just lowering GMS version andreyrd
Oct 22 18:38:33 <andreyrd> Okay
Oct 22 18:38:35 <JacobTabak> i'm 100% confident that will get you under the limit
Oct 22 18:39:01 <andreyrd> I'll try it in like 10 minute
Oct 22 18:39:03 <hexafluoride> can anyone verify that the uleb128 value(0x01, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x02) is equal to 0?
Oct 22 18:39:14 <wtiger> hey folks
Oct 22 18:39:15 <tricknology_> HF is nasty stuff
Oct 22 18:39:17 <andreyrd> Not at my laptop right now :p
Oct 22 18:39:48 <wtiger> how can i make an httppatch request in android?
Oct 22 18:40:18 <wtiger> currently i'm using apache httpclient, but it doesn't have the httppatch request
Oct 22 18:40:23 <JacobTabak> wtiger try OkHttp
Oct 22 18:40:33 <JacobTabak> api is much much better
Oct 22 18:40:34 <JakeWharton> MediocreHttp
Oct 22 18:40:42 <JacobTabak> :(
Oct 22 18:40:49 <wtiger> is api a package?
Oct 22 18:40:54 <wtiger> JakeWharton
Oct 22 18:40:58 <JakeWharton> wtiger:
Oct 22 18:41:38 <tricknology_> quick question.. I’ve never done it..
Oct 22 18:41:51 <tricknology_> what If I have a MainActivity with no layout and I don’t setContentView onCreate()
Oct 22 18:42:02 <tricknology_> app opens and closes?
Oct 22 18:42:06 <JakeWharton> no
Oct 22 18:42:06 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ the activity ends
Oct 22 18:42:07 <wtiger> JacobTabak is api a package?
Oct 22 18:42:29 <tricknology_> Is this what you would expect from a library project?
Oct 22 18:42:38 <JacobTabak> wtiger do you know what an API is?
Oct 22 18:42:40 <JakeWharton> the decor view gets initialized in onPostCreate no matter what
Oct 22 18:42:40 <tricknology_> (i am tryign to create a small library for use in android)
Oct 22 18:43:01 <tricknology_> I know eclipse will make a .jar and put it in /bin/ but unsure about Idea
Oct 22 18:43:02 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ no, there's no reason to create an activity with no content view
Oct 22 18:43:23 <tricknology_> JacobTabak, I was trying to get around generating a proper test case
Oct 22 18:43:29 <tricknology_> logs everywhere
Oct 22 18:43:43 <JacobTabak> i don't follow
Oct 22 18:43:45 <wtiger> JacobTabak I'm trying to fetch data from web apis
Oct 22 18:43:54 <JakeWharton> if the activity closed when you didn't set a content view then fragments attached to android.R.id.content would never work since they're created and added to the UI asynchronously
Oct 22 18:43:56 <shadynastys> I do not know when or how Amazicons got installed on my phone but it causes all other apps to pause and resume 3 times more often on app launch. Dont Download it. I spent 2 days trying to solve a bug in my project that was not really there because it was caused by Amazicons https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.taureano.amazicons&hl=en
Oct 22 18:44:10 <JacobTabak> wtiger SDKs have APIs, different from the webservice APIs you are interacting with
Oct 22 18:44:23 <tricknology_> I was just going to code it and keep running until my logs get me somewhere and the code works, JacobTabak.  Instead of writing test cases.
Oct 22 18:44:24 <wtiger> JacobTabak gotcha
Oct 22 18:44:26 <JacobTabak> my comment about OkHttps API is my way of saying that it's easy and clean to write effective code using OkHttp
Oct 22 18:44:43 <JacobTabak> rather than using apache http client (which you shouldn't use above API lvl 9)
Oct 22 18:44:44 <tricknology_> but Q:  if I am writing a library that uses andtoid methods, use Android test case and not JUnit?
Oct 22 18:45:29 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ if want to test anything that requires a context then you might want to use the android instrumentation
Oct 22 18:45:38 <JakeWharton> AndroidTestCase is still JUnit
Oct 22 18:45:47 <JakeWharton> it's all JUnit
Oct 22 18:45:51 <tricknology_> Thanks, not sure if I’ll need context at all
Oct 22 18:45:51 <JakeWharton> all the way down
Oct 22 18:46:04 <tricknology_> but so far you guys were all right about IDEA
Oct 22 18:46:06 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ i have unit tests and instrumentation tests, unit tests for things that dont require any android components
Oct 22 18:46:28 <Afzal> Wow TacticalJoke is missing all this talk of testing xD
Oct 22 18:46:36 <tricknology_> Thanks, Jake.  I was just confused on the modules and what they are for.  Looking at the docs for testing now.
Oct 22 18:46:37 <JacobTabak> please dont feed the troll
Oct 22 18:46:42 <Afzal> JacobTabak, he's not here
Oct 22 18:46:49 <tricknology_> (thank god)
Oct 22 18:47:09 <tricknology_> I mean someday I’ll want to know how to do it the /right/ way.. but for now, I just need to get it to work.
Oct 22 18:47:12 <g00s> shadynastys protip: don't install BS on your dev phone
Oct 22 18:47:54 <tricknology_> So tell me about this instrumentation test.. this generates useavble context without creating dummy activities?
Oct 22 18:48:23 <tricknology_> (becuase that’s how I was doing it.. blank mainActivity to generate context)
Oct 22 18:48:35 <shadynastys> lol ya i just cleaned it out.
Oct 22 18:49:11 <tricknology_> Should every test have it’s own module or should I create modules in much the same way I create packages?
Oct 22 18:50:01 <JakeWharton> the latter
Oct 22 18:50:06 <shadynastys> I think i installed it to look at an example of something i was trying to implement but i cannot remember what it was. Oh well gone now.
Oct 22 18:50:59 <tricknology_> Thanks, JakeWharton
Oct 22 18:51:17 <pfn> gordon_, sources always come after official images
Oct 22 18:51:30 <tricknology_> 1 more thing, probably not the last.. should te test modules go under the project folder?
Oct 22 18:51:59 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ see blundell's sample project
Oct 22 18:52:12 <tricknology_> thanks
Oct 22 18:52:22 <JacobTabak> lmk if you need link
Oct 22 18:52:31 <tricknology_> Android Simple InApp Billing / Payment | Blundell ?
Oct 22 18:53:34 <JacobTabak> https://github.com/blundell/tests-app-robolectric-junit
Oct 22 18:53:51 <JacobTabak> http://blog.blundell-apps.com/android-gradle-app-with-robolectric-junit-tests/
Oct 22 18:54:50 <tricknology_> thanks much
Oct 22 18:55:50 <andreyrd> JacobTabak: where can i download old play services?
Oct 22 18:56:12 <JacobTabak> maven central
Oct 22 18:56:18 <JacobTabak> er
Oct 22 18:56:19 <JacobTabak> LIE
Oct 22 18:56:20 <JacobTabak> retract
Oct 22 18:56:27 <JacobTabak> they all come from the google repository which you should have installed on your machine
Oct 22 18:56:50 <eghdk> Any help here for someone using a .so file? I'm getting this error "ava.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Couldn't load aacStream: findLibrary returned null"
Oct 22 18:57:11 <eghdk> It works on 4.0 devices, but I'm trying it on my 2.3 device and I'm getting that error.
Oct 22 18:57:43 <andreyrd> man, i really should switch to gradle... :(
Oct 22 18:58:05 <andreyrd> i don't have time to go through the process of converting it though, and it's too complicated to be done automatically
Oct 22 18:58:12 <JacobTabak> andreyrd /sdk/extras/google/m2repository/com/google/android/gms/play-services
Oct 22 18:58:29 <andreyrd> yeah installing it right now..
Oct 22 18:59:07 <andreyrd> how do i extract an aar so that it's compatible with old build system?
Oct 22 18:59:54 <JacobTabak> rename it to .zip
Oct 22 18:59:55 <tricknology_> what is that JacobTabak?
Oct 22 19:00:11 <hexafluoride> http://a.pomf.se/aavbpe.PNG
Oct 22 19:00:12 <hexafluoride> yay
Oct 22 19:00:13 <hexafluoride> it works
Oct 22 19:00:19 <andreyrd> ah cool thanks
Oct 22 19:00:58 <JacobTabak> whats what tricknology_
Oct 22 19:01:04 <tricknology_> so JakeWharton - so I’m clear.. Project >> src | tests >> src ...
Oct 22 19:01:16 <tricknology_> project src and tests module are sister directories?
Oct 22 19:01:21 <JakeWharton> that's the eclipse way
Oct 22 19:02:32 <tricknology_> Maybe I’m not understanding how the library is built in the end.. will it include those test modules? or jsut what is in /src/
Oct 22 19:03:00 <tricknology_> i guess i’ve just not seen this structure before
Oct 22 19:04:19 <JacobTabak> tricknology_ your release build won't include tests
Oct 22 19:04:39 <tricknology_> ok lovely, thanks again
Oct 22 19:05:47 <JacobTabak> if you're using gradle, and using instrumentation tests, you don't need a separate module for your tests
Oct 22 19:06:03 <JacobTabak> you only need a separate module if you're trying to do jvm tests
Oct 22 19:06:06 <tricknology_> I am not using gradle.. yet
Oct 22 19:06:15 <JacobTabak> maven? or ant
Oct 22 19:06:18 <tricknology_> so gradle will pull the source for me? i’m confused as to what it actually is even
Oct 22 19:06:22 <tricknology_> ...neither?
Oct 22 19:06:27 <JacobTabak> how are you building?
Oct 22 19:06:29 <tricknology_> right click create project.. done
Oct 22 19:06:34 <JacobTabak> in intellij?
Oct 22 19:06:48 <tricknology_> well.. this was imported form eclipse
Oct 22 19:06:57 <JacobTabak> so its using ant then i guess
Oct 22 19:07:04 <tricknology_> but in intellij it would be file>> new project
Oct 22 19:07:08 <tricknology_> I gues
Oct 22 19:08:16 <andreyrd> intellij has it's own build system, right?
Oct 22 19:08:23 <JacobTabak> no
Oct 22 19:08:45 <JacobTabak> it can integrate with numerous build systems
Oct 22 19:08:50 <JacobTabak> maven, ant, gradle
Oct 22 19:09:36 <tricknology_> am I goign tohave to buy a book on gradle?
Oct 22 19:09:51 <JacobTabak> no?
Oct 22 19:09:56 <andreyrd> well yes...
Oct 22 19:09:56 <g00s> as much as i like Toolbar, it does add a ton of extra crapols / boilerplate to the project in the form of toolbar layouts, etc
Oct 22 19:10:03 <andreyrd> but intellij also has a build system for android
Oct 22 19:10:10 <JacobTabak> no andreyrd
Oct 22 19:10:14 <andreyrd> :o
Oct 22 19:13:10 <pieces029> the gradle book is free
Oct 22 19:13:28 <g00s> the oreilly ones are terrible
Oct 22 19:13:41 <g00s> and outdated
Oct 22 19:13:46 <g00s> very ... outdated
Oct 22 19:13:55 <pieces029> I have just been using the docs, and looking at code in github.
Oct 22 19:14:15 <g00s> gradle has lots of docs, but for some reason i find them almost useless
Oct 22 19:14:21 <JacobTabak> ^
Oct 22 19:14:33 <pieces029> They can be very cryptic.
Oct 22 19:14:43 <pieces029> I find the javadocs and not the docs to be the best option
Oct 22 19:14:56 <pieces029> or I guess groovy docs in this case
Oct 22 19:21:26 <pieces029> Say I have a String "this is a string", and I want "this" and "string" to be bolded in a textview. I would use a SpannableStringBuilder using the append method. The issue I am seeing is that it only bold the last string used with append. Does anyone have expierence with this and know the correct way to get both to format properly?
Oct 22 19:21:49 <JacobTabak> yes
Oct 22 19:22:02 <pieces029> Here is actually the exact code I'm using http://paste.fedoraproject.org/144328/05693141
Oct 22 19:23:21 <JacobTabak> so you're passing in a string and then searching for specific substrings to apply a format to?
Oct 22 19:23:29 <JacobTabak> seems like a weird way to go about it
Oct 22 19:23:53 <pieces029> I get from a server a string and the values to bold in that string
Oct 22 19:24:14 <pieces029> For whatever reason it's applying the style to the last one and not the first.
Oct 22 19:24:27 <JacobTabak> because of setSpan
Oct 22 19:24:41 <pieces029> so that doesn't keep adding spans?
Oct 22 19:24:45 <JacobTabak> set generally doesn't
Oct 22 19:24:49 <JacobTabak> if it was addSpan, it probably would
Oct 22 19:25:25 <pieces029> but I'm setting a span within a specific regon. I was under the impression I could keep setting regions with different styles.
Oct 22 19:25:27 <JacobTabak> you should pre-format the charsequences before adding them to the spannablestringbuilder
Oct 22 19:25:48 <pieces029> pre-format?
Oct 22 19:25:51 <tricknology_> soo.. what are some of your favorite intellij themes?
Oct 22 19:26:00 <JacobTabak> apply the spans to the charsequence before adding them to the SSB
Oct 22 19:26:21 <pieces029> tricknology_: darkula
Oct 22 19:26:35 <tricknology_> haha love the name
Oct 22 19:26:36 <JacobTabak> or just get the string formatted in html with <strong>
Oct 22 19:26:43 <JacobTabak> from the server
Oct 22 19:26:48 <pieces029> Tha'ts not really an option.
Oct 22 19:27:06 <pieces029> If I could get the server to just do things I would change so many things...
Oct 22 19:27:07 <pieces029> hah
Oct 22 19:28:32 <JacobTabak> btw pieces setSpan documentation in Spannable says 'Attach the specified markup object to the range start…end of the text, or move the object to that range if it was already attached elsewhere.'
Oct 22 19:29:21 <tricknology_> eeh, I’m not understanding how to install darkula
Oct 22 19:29:33 <tricknology_> I got sublimetext
Oct 22 19:29:37 <pieces029> tricknology_: shouldn't need to install, just change to it.
Oct 22 19:29:43 <tricknology_> aaaah
Oct 22 19:30:38 <pieces029> JacobTabak: oh, so I can keep attaching different styles.
Oct 22 19:30:43 <pieces029> Just not the same one
Oct 22 19:31:02 <tricknology_> beautiful, thanks pieces029
Oct 22 19:31:06 <JacobTabak> yes pieces029
Oct 22 19:31:12 <JacobTabak> it seems thats the case
Oct 22 19:31:16 <tricknology_> now 2 hours later, time to start coding
Oct 22 19:31:28 <andreyrd> has anyone successfully used the radial timepicker from aosp?
Oct 22 19:31:37 <tricknology_> if anyone needs a PNG to BMP converter, that’s what I’m workign on
Oct 22 19:31:52 <tricknology_> feel free to star https://github.com/znwabudike/AndroidPNG2BMP
Oct 22 19:31:56 <JacobTabak> ?
Oct 22 19:32:05 <JacobTabak> thats build into android?
Oct 22 19:32:12 <tricknology_> not windows BM
Oct 22 19:32:14 <JacobTabak> oh lol
Oct 22 19:32:19 <JacobTabak> why would you want that
Oct 22 19:32:26 <tricknology_> I have an SDK that absolutely needs a WBM
Oct 22 19:32:44 <tricknology_> stupid..
Oct 22 19:32:46 <eghdk> Any help here for someone using a .so file? I'm getting this error "ava.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Couldn't load myStream: findLibrary returned null"
Oct 22 19:32:47 <eghdk> It works on 4.0 devices, but I'm trying it on my 2.3 device and I'm getting that error.
Oct 22 19:32:48 <JacobTabak> dont commit /bin to git
Oct 22 19:32:53 <JacobTabak> and where's your src :O
Oct 22 19:33:01 <tricknology_> i just started lol
Oct 22 19:33:46 <tricknology_> so it that where gitignore comes in handy?
Oct 22 19:34:19 <JacobTabak> heh yes
Oct 22 19:35:04 <tricknology_> but the /bin/ folder is ecentually where my lib.jar will end up, no?
Oct 22 19:35:10 <tricknology_> eventually
Oct 22 19:35:20 <JacobTabak> your output files should not go in source control
Oct 22 19:35:25 <JacobTabak> build, bin etc
Oct 22 19:35:32 <tricknology_> good to know
Oct 22 19:35:59 <tricknology_> so should I start with this? http://gary-rowe.com/agilestack/2012/10/12/a-gitignore-file-for-intellij-and-eclipse-with-maven/
Oct 22 19:36:12 <JacobTabak> you're not using maven
Oct 22 19:36:24 <tricknology_> well yes, I’ll probably take that out
Oct 22 19:36:36 <tricknology_> (or comment it out)
Oct 22 19:37:08 <JacobTabak> you'll also need to 'git rm --cached' all the files you already committed
Oct 22 19:37:14 <JacobTabak> that removes them from the repo but not your local machine
Oct 22 19:37:22 <JacobTabak> i mean, the ones that should be ignored
Oct 22 19:38:08 <tricknology_> “Error:(1, 9) Package name 'com.github.znwabudike.androidpng2bmp' does not correspond to the file path 'com.znwabudike.git.AndroidPNG2BMP'” big deal?
Oct 22 19:39:59 <lewellyn> yes. it's an error. therefore it's a big deal.
Oct 22 19:44:35 <ChrisUK> if I have set the heap size to large in the manifest
Oct 22 19:44:44 <ChrisUK> can I check that the phone is setting it to large?
Oct 22 19:45:03 <JacobTabak> what are you doing that needs so much memory -.-
Oct 22 19:45:05 <JacobTabak> i wouldn't rely on that
Oct 22 19:45:21 <tricknology_> I set the heap size = large once.. didn’t really make a difference
Oct 22 19:45:28 <tricknology_> then I used animations instead of animation-list
Oct 22 19:45:32 <tricknology_> problem solved
Oct 22 19:45:55 <Odaym> I included v7 appcomat as a library into my project, although I still cannot say extends android.support.v7.appcompat.ActionBarDrawerToggle
Oct 22 19:46:38 <tricknology_> Does anyone have the bug in IntelliJ that keeps the right-click menu open after you click on the toolbar?
Oct 22 19:46:44 <Odaym> I still get referenced back to the v4 version
Oct 22 19:47:04 <tricknology_> right-click your project, then click File.. the right-click menu should collamse or close
Oct 22 19:47:09 <tricknology_> this is on OSX
Oct 22 19:47:29 <ChrisUK> are dealing with serious limitations on memory a common problem in android development
Oct 22 19:47:34 <ChrisUK> involving alot of gfx?
Oct 22 19:47:45 <tricknology_> depends on what you’re doing
Oct 22 19:48:03 <tricknology_> usually there is a workaround, or a better way to do it
Oct 22 19:48:05 <t2mkn> any power toggles plugin developer here ?
Oct 22 19:48:43 <ChrisUK> problem is I am using unity
Oct 22 19:48:43 <tricknology_> like in my case, I was using animation-list on about 20 20kb images, changing th animation lists and such.  blewup the heap real quick
Oct 22 19:48:47 <ChrisUK> which doesnt give me many options
Oct 22 19:49:04 <ChrisUK> I currently have a large jpg I want to load as a texture
Oct 22 19:49:11 <ChrisUK> dont mind scaling it down
Oct 22 19:49:24 <ChrisUK> but cant even load it to scale it down
Oct 22 19:49:35 <ChrisUK> jpg is a picture taken by user
Oct 22 19:49:44 <StingRay_> ChrisUK well jpg is not a great format really
Oct 22 19:49:53 <StingRay_> well not for unity/game stuff
Oct 22 19:50:15 <tricknology_> can you get it in PNG first?
Oct 22 19:51:14 <tricknology_> Where do I go to submit feature requests for IntelliJ?
Oct 22 19:51:28 <tricknology_> project structure would be nice to have under the right-click menu
Oct 22 19:51:28 <ChrisUK> most pictures taken by the user is in jpg format
Oct 22 19:51:31 <ChrisUK> so have to work with that
Oct 22 19:51:48 <Odaym> yea there is no ActionBarDrawerToggle inside v7
Oct 22 19:52:01 <ChrisUK> problem is some of these pictures can be massive
Oct 22 19:52:06 <Odaym> inside appcompat at least, no way couldnt find it
Oct 22 19:52:07 <lasserix> hey g00s you around?
Oct 22 19:52:09 <StingRay_> ChrisUK thats an odd statement …. but regardless, you are not bound to that format….convert it
Oct 22 19:52:11 <ChrisUK> coming off phones and if I try to load them I run out of memory
Oct 22 19:52:30 <ChrisUK> so convert it before I load it
Oct 22 19:52:34 <ChrisUK> that is going to have alot of overhead
Oct 22 19:52:42 <g00s> lasserix hm ?
Oct 22 19:53:01 <StingRay_> ChrisUK well also adaptively load it… with no waste
Oct 22 19:53:04 <lasserix> Know of any good blue tooth tutorials? I need to set up my device as a client with my desktop as the server to transmit some bytes
Oct 22 19:53:44 <SimonVT> Odaym: Yeah, there is
Oct 22 19:53:52 <StingRay_> ChrisUK the max res you need is bound by the screen res anyways
Oct 22 19:54:16 <g00s> lasserix this one is good http://www.doubleencore.com/2013/12/bluetooth-smart-for-android/
Oct 22 19:54:21 <Odaym> the docs say there is
Oct 22 19:54:25 <Odaym> I can't reference it
Oct 22 19:54:29 <lasserix> thanks
Oct 22 19:54:30 <g00s> lasserix ah thats BLE
Oct 22 19:54:31 <StingRay_> ChrisUK but again, jpg can be an overhead here … it's not the correct use of the format
Oct 22 19:54:36 <lasserix> oh
Oct 22 19:54:40 <SimonVT> I can, everyone else can
Oct 22 19:54:41 <SimonVT> It's just you
Oct 22 19:54:50 <g00s> oh you using classic BT ? no i dont have any links. the docs are good enough
Oct 22 19:54:52 <ChrisUK> stringray: I have to go what the camera apps use
Oct 22 19:55:16 <StingRay_> not really
Oct 22 19:55:22 <StingRay_> but if you say so ;)
Oct 22 19:55:33 <ChrisUK> so I just convert all the jpgs on the phone to png?
Oct 22 19:55:34 <ChrisUK> lol
Oct 22 19:55:52 <StingRay_> no
Oct 22 19:56:11 <StingRay_> look do what you want then..  :)
Oct 22 19:56:20 <StingRay_> you obviously know whats best
Oct 22 19:56:46 <g00s> does appcompat come with '<' actionbar Up icon, or do i have to copy that from somewhere ?
Oct 22 19:56:53 <StingRay_> but jpg is a presentation finishing format … macro block and perceptual compression
Oct 22 19:56:58 <StingRay_> not for use in RT games
Oct 22 19:57:01 <StingRay_> or displays
Oct 22 19:58:00 <StingRay_> at the end of the day it's probably internally converted by unity neways
Oct 22 19:58:13 <StingRay_> as unity would not use it :)
Oct 22 19:59:03 <Odaym> I can see ActionBar from v7.app
Oct 22 19:59:17 <pieces029> JacobTabak: You can use the same styles, you just can't use the same instance
Oct 22 19:59:22 <Odaym> ActionBarActivity....ActionBarContainer....
Oct 22 19:59:23 <JacobTabak> makes sense
Oct 22 19:59:30 <Odaym> everything but ActionBarDrawerToggle
Oct 22 19:59:53 <SimonVT> Maybe you depend on the wrong version
Oct 22 19:59:54 <g00s> i'm still blown away at how complicated and large (# files) iosched is, for hardly doing jackshit
Oct 22 20:00:13 <g00s> its an indictment for how stupid things are getting
Oct 22 20:00:13 <SimonVT> Can you see Toolbar?
Oct 22 20:01:01 <Odaym> no
Oct 22 20:01:18 <SimonVT> Then you're not depending on the latest version
Oct 22 20:01:23 <JacobTabak> g00s dont be a negative nancy
Oct 22 20:01:30 <JacobTabak> they have a lot of code so its more informative! more samples!
Oct 22 20:01:31 <Odaym> the SDK manager didnt prompt for anything though
Oct 22 20:01:33 <Odaym> its rev 2
Oct 22 20:01:35 <Odaym> 20*
Oct 22 20:01:49 <SimonVT> Newest is 21
Oct 22 20:02:00 <Odaym> ah it just prompted when I opened again
Oct 22 20:02:10 <Odaym> 15 updates..
Oct 22 20:02:15 <Odaym> well thanks
Oct 22 20:02:28 <g00s> heh negative nancy - itts better to be a joyful jacob
Oct 22 20:04:09 <JacobTabak> i cant count how much time ive wasted because i forget that observbales stop working after an error
Oct 22 20:08:07 <JacobTabak> lol g00s
Oct 22 20:08:14 <JacobTabak> how do u know my rl name...
Oct 22 20:08:30 <g00s> how do you know mine ? XD
Oct 22 20:08:34 <JacobTabak> trololol
Oct 22 20:09:20 <JacobTabak> i have to say i feel so empowered
Oct 22 20:09:27 <JacobTabak> writing tests cases for these super edge cases
Oct 22 20:09:46 <g00s> android edge cases ? or yours ?
Oct 22 20:09:54 <JacobTabak> like showing a dialog, doing an operation in the background, rotating/recreating the activity, verifying that the operation completes and the ui gets updated
Oct 22 20:10:00 <Odaym> there we go
Oct 22 20:10:01 <JacobTabak> after rotation
Oct 22 20:10:20 <lewellyn> that doesn't seem terribly edgy :P
Oct 22 20:10:30 <JacobTabak> lewellyn indeed, but its the thing you write and test once, and never test again
Oct 22 20:10:37 <JacobTabak> thats why having a test case for it feels really empowering
Oct 22 20:11:45 <lewellyn> don't worry. your users will test that. :P
Oct 22 20:12:11 <JacobTabak> well surprisingly they dont really complain about it
Oct 22 20:12:37 <JacobTabak> most dont' mind if an operation just gets cancelled on rotate
Oct 22 20:12:41 <tricknology_> eh unable to add .git remote in intellij GUI
Oct 22 20:12:42 <JacobTabak> and they have to do it again
Oct 22 20:12:49 <JacobTabak> git remote add origin X
Oct 22 20:12:58 <JacobTabak> don't rely on the GUI :)
Oct 22 20:13:21 <tricknology_> waht is the syntax of origin?
Oct 22 20:13:28 <tricknology_> my magnet link?
Oct 22 20:13:42 <JacobTabak> git@github.com:znwabudike/AndroidPNG2BMP.git
Oct 22 20:13:49 <tricknology_> lovely, thanks
Oct 22 20:13:56 <JacobTabak> assuming you're using ssh
Oct 22 20:13:59 <JacobTabak> and have set up your keys in github
Oct 22 20:16:52 <Odaym> ah so the icon is no longer provided through the constructor
Oct 22 20:17:04 <tricknology_> can’t use the shttp: link?
Oct 22 20:17:10 <tricknology_> work key is not set
Oct 22 20:20:04 <JacobTabak> you can use it
Oct 22 20:20:15 <tricknology_> figuring that out now.. thanks :)
Oct 22 20:20:44 <tricknology_> remote origin already exists...
Oct 22 20:21:01 <JacobTabak> git remote rm origin
Oct 22 20:21:11 <JacobTabak> if you already have the origin set why are you setting it again
Oct 22 20:21:14 <JacobTabak> do you know how to git
Oct 22 20:21:24 <tricknology_> apparently I have 2 bases
Oct 22 20:21:40 <JesusFreke> And all of them belong to us
Oct 22 20:21:43 <tricknology_> “bro, do you even git?” haha
Oct 22 20:21:45 <JacobTabak> FREKEEEEE
Oct 22 20:22:10 <tricknology_> there we go
Oct 22 20:22:11 <JacobTabak> s/belong/are belong/
Oct 22 20:23:25 <Odaym> haha
Oct 22 20:26:28 <Sixmsj> is there a way to color parts of a textview with a background color?
Oct 22 20:26:43 <Sixmsj> for some range, set a color behind the text
Oct 22 20:27:19 <tricknology_> welkl.. i am pushing to my local repo but no changes on github.com
Oct 22 20:27:36 <StingRay_> Sixmsj probably yes, but not really sure what you are asking
Oct 22 20:28:45 <ChrisUK> to save on memory is it common to dump things to the file system ?
Oct 22 20:28:53 <ChrisUK> like to help with processing
Oct 22 20:29:34 <JacobTabak> ChrisUK what are you doing thats using so much memory?
Oct 22 20:29:43 <ChrisUK> photosphere app
Oct 22 20:29:47 <JacobTabak> ah :(
Oct 22 20:29:56 <ChrisUK> it is killing me lol
Oct 22 20:30:00 <JacobTabak> sounds very challenging
Oct 22 20:30:17 <ChrisUK> well it is
Oct 22 20:30:26 <ChrisUK> virtual reality photosphere app for google cardboard lol
Oct 22 20:30:35 <ChrisUK> for my first app
Oct 22 20:30:37 <ChrisUK> :)
Oct 22 20:30:38 <Odaym> well this is nice, you import the newly updated appcompat 7 into your project and it has errors under res/
Oct 22 20:30:53 <JacobTabak> its you :)
Oct 22 20:31:20 <Odaym> I didn't even touch it, you're crazy
Oct 22 20:31:30 <Odaym> all attr errors
Oct 22 20:31:35 <SimonVT> pebkac again most likely
Oct 22 20:32:01 <Odaym> no!
Oct 22 20:32:06 * StingRay_ speculates the error to be "already defined" ;)
Oct 22 20:32:06 <SimonVT> yes
Oct 22 20:32:14 <Odaym> it is the already defined
Oct 22 20:32:18 <Odaym> how the fuck do you know this hsit
Oct 22 20:32:42 <SimonVT> hah
Oct 22 20:32:52 <Odaym> even though, what's that got to do with me
Oct 22 20:32:59 <Odaym> the fact that he knows it means that it happened with him
Oct 22 20:33:03 <StingRay_> dont have 2 of the same things lol
Oct 22 20:33:14 <Odaym> ARGH!
Oct 22 20:33:19 <Odaym> right
Oct 22 20:33:53 <Odaym> see cause I thought the importing the lib directly and importing the project were 2 steps that "complimented one another"
Oct 22 20:33:59 <Odaym> because Im not sure which one does what
Oct 22 20:34:17 <tricknology_> anyoen know how to see the github user/server config settigns in intellij?
Oct 22 20:34:37 <Odaym> use terminal
Oct 22 20:34:50 <Odaym> easier
Oct 22 20:35:20 <tricknology_> Odaym, the trouble is that I try to chare my project on girhub and it says it’s already on github.. but when I commit and push, the changes aren’t reflected there
Oct 22 20:35:27 <tricknology_> share*
Oct 22 20:35:41 <Odaym> then the origin is setup wrong
Oct 22 20:35:55 <Odaym> well, the -u origin master thing that you do in the beginnnig
Oct 22 20:36:00 <Odaym> referencing the wrong repo
Oct 22 20:36:17 <Odaym> when you do it to setup track from origin to repo
Oct 22 20:37:15 <Sixmsj> StingRay_: something like this from imessage https://i.imgur.com/MKa7SZ5.jpg
Oct 22 20:37:39 <Sixmsj> the entire toolbar is a textview, but you can color a certain part (selection)
Oct 22 20:38:14 <tricknology_> might as well be chinese.. more reading I guess
Oct 22 20:39:01 <tricknology_> what if I delete the repo on github?
Oct 22 20:39:15 <g00s> tricknology_ try #git
Oct 22 20:39:20 <tricknology_> ty
Oct 22 20:39:41 <Sixmsj> StingRay_: i guess android’s equivalent is literally setSelection
Oct 22 20:39:57 <StingRay_> well yeah you are looking at a system function
Oct 22 20:40:06 <StingRay_> select/copy/paste
Oct 22 20:41:15 <drinfernoo> anyone getting a PIE error from aapt?
Oct 22 20:45:06 <g00s> waaat ... is google switching from actionmodes back to popupWindows for long presses ?
Oct 22 20:45:14 <eghdk> I'm new to gradle. My eclipse project when transferred to Android STUDIO automatically added compile 'com.actionbarsherlock:actionbarsherlock:4.4.0@aar' where is that coming from? The internet or a library? Because in eclipse I had it as a downloaded library.
Oct 22 20:48:50 <g00s> Napalm is there a way to use actionModes with RecyclerView ?
Oct 22 20:54:59 <g00s> is it me or google throwing shit out haphazardly - libraries - missing docs, missing examples
Oct 22 20:55:59 <g00s> website a mixture of new and outdated stuff ...
Oct 22 20:57:13 <gsteinert> I've noticed a few articles that descibe a now depreceated method for something... but I think the depreciation of only from 5.0 so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt :P
Oct 22 21:00:14 <g00s> such a bunch of amateurs :)
Oct 22 21:00:52 <drinfernoo> so no PIE aapt errors around here? I haven't found any info on it
Oct 22 21:02:29 <g00s> ah, progress bar is not supported on toolbar, so gotta move that somewhere else
Oct 22 21:03:10 <g00s> this is so funny: "How can I create ActionBar Tabs? setNavigationMode is depreacted since API 21." its like they dont even know ha
Oct 22 21:04:30 <drinfernoo> im getting this PIE error when building for v21
Oct 22 21:04:31 <bubbleguuum> Google, kind of deprecation. Let's add an API now, think about it later...
Oct 22 21:04:37 <bubbleguuum> *king
Oct 22 21:05:09 <bubbleguuum> ActionBar RIP (2011-2014)
Oct 22 21:05:11 <g00s> i'm used to Microsoft's way of doing things, everything is BAM .. there. Go !
Oct 22 21:05:19 <g00s> and for the most part Apple too
Oct 22 21:05:36 <g00s> it slike google has a bunch of interns releaseing thngs at there own will
Oct 22 21:06:09 <bubbleguuum> g00s, yes I think that particularly apply to the IAP and LVL libraries: crappy code, release once, totally unmaintained
Oct 22 21:06:12 <g00s> oh, docs aren't ready. i'll put it up on my personal blog for the time beeing ...
Oct 22 21:06:19 <g00s> w T f
Oct 22 21:07:10 <bubbleguuum> can't wait the day Material is deprecated and just LOL
Oct 22 21:07:51 <g00s> i'll reserve judgement until i actuall use a material app; so far none of the gapps on my n7 have been updated for that style
Oct 22 21:08:18 <pfn> it's too bad appcompat doesn't include the new ripple effects
Oct 22 21:08:45 <bubbleguuum> new ripples effect are cool
Oct 22 21:08:56 <gsteinert> g00s: The actionbar tabs is one of the ones I came up against... ended up using a PagerTabStrip from the v4 support lib, but I had to go elsewhere to find it!
Oct 22 21:09:43 <g00s> gsteinert but last time I used that thing, it didn't really look like "tabs". does it look indistibguishable from previous tabs now ?
Oct 22 21:10:09 <g00s> or maybe i used pagertitlestrip by mistake
Oct 22 21:10:28 <danijoo> maybe they want us to completly step away from tabs and implement them on our own
Oct 22 21:10:37 <danijoo> with textviews or sth like that
Oct 22 21:10:57 <gsteinert> its pretty good (for my purposees at least), default style is a bit lacking though... need to work out how to set a custom style
Oct 22 21:11:45 <gsteinert> danijoo: that wouldn't make any sense... why move away from a common lib that everyone uses to something that everyone will implement differently, will work differently and will have different bugs?
Oct 22 21:12:00 <danijoo> because.. its google :)
Oct 22 21:12:07 <g00s> you really can't use TabWidget by itself either if I recall
Oct 22 21:12:11 <gsteinert> I think if they're dropping the idea of tabs its because they want us to use something else... I just haven't found what that is yet :P
Oct 22 21:12:13 <StingRay_> and because different is not bad
Oct 22 21:12:22 <danijoo> https://plus.google.com/+ChrisBanes/posts/ZqVBYudxvFv
Oct 22 21:12:31 <danijoo> "Tabs: Use one of the many libraries available. I even wrote the SlidingTabs sample which you can use."
Oct 22 21:12:39 <gsteinert> StingRay_: different is not bad, but you need a different to replace the existing before you go taking the existing thing away
Oct 22 21:12:57 <danijoo> but i agree not having tabs built in sucks.
Oct 22 21:13:35 * g00s googles SlidingTabs
Oct 22 21:14:44 <g00s> so, yeah. stupid. all these people asking chris banes on his google+ profile how the hell to do this, that
Oct 22 21:14:59 <g00s> they could have just planned some documentation
Oct 22 21:15:10 <danijoo> totally agree on that.
Oct 22 21:15:17 <bubbleguuum> yeah doc is really missing
Oct 22 21:15:28 <danijoo> cant be that hard to update dev docs in time..
Oct 22 21:15:55 <danijoo> g00s: thats the sample he is talkin about https://developer.android.com/samples/SlidingTabsBasic/project.html
Oct 22 21:16:00 <bubbleguuum> I also fear that these compat libs will be a massive bugfest...
Oct 22 21:16:23 <g00s> danijoo awesome, thanks
Oct 22 21:16:56 <gsteinert> i've still got my head in AsyncTasks... aaand I've just realised I've been worrying about being able to get at a class member variable that doesn't need to be one! I ahve to start doing this when I'm more awake!
Oct 22 21:16:56 <tricknology_>  I added “bin/“ to .gitignore in the project root folder and /bin is still coming up on github  :( :(
Oct 22 21:17:08 <tricknology_> #git is dead
Oct 22 21:17:09 <danijoo> seems like it is a simple HorizontalScrollView with elements to click in it
Oct 22 21:17:13 <tricknology_> everyone sleeping
Oct 22 21:17:35 <gsteinert> tricknology_: "bin/*" might work better, but if you've already added it to your git repo you'll need to delete it first (git rm bin/*)
Oct 22 21:17:46 <flan3002> tricknology_: Well, did you add bin before you added it to the index/commited it?
Oct 22 21:17:56 <tricknology_> yes.. ha
Oct 22 21:18:03 <tricknology_> thanks
Oct 22 21:18:16 * tricknology_ walks off with tail between legs
Oct 22 21:18:58 * flan3002 watches tricknology_ wander off, confused.
Oct 22 21:19:26 <tricknology_> git rm /bin -r is the command I needed
Oct 22 21:19:38 <g00s> tricknology_ thats weird, usually #git is crazy
Oct 22 21:21:33 <tricknology_> not today iI guess..
Oct 22 21:22:05 <tricknology_> used the rm command and pushed, bin still there.  so I need ot pull and merge first?
Oct 22 21:22:20 <g00s> Chris Banes: Yes, we have removed a load of automatic features from the action bar when you use Theme.Material or appcompat:21.
Oct 22 21:22:25 <danijoo> offtopic: are devs of google forced to use g+ or why does everyone seem to give "support" over it? :)
Oct 22 21:22:26 <g00s> oh, i'm so excited !
Oct 22 21:22:34 <tricknology_> oh we got some life!
Oct 22 21:22:35 <JakeWharton> asynctask ftw
Oct 22 21:22:42 <JakeWharton> used one yesterday
Oct 22 21:23:14 <g00s> JakeWharton just to clarify, ftw or ftl ?
Oct 22 21:23:17 <g00s> :)
Oct 22 21:23:26 <danijoo> tricknology_: you have to delete it from git cache
Oct 22 21:23:33 <JakeWharton> for what i needed it was ftw
Oct 22 21:23:34 <danijoo> first add it to gitignore
Oct 22 21:23:43 <danijoo> then do git rm --cached bin/
Oct 22 21:23:55 <danijoo> then do a new commit
Oct 22 21:23:58 <danijoo> and it should be gone
Oct 22 21:23:59 <g00s> i'm waiting for JakeWharton to use a Fragment FTW
Oct 22 21:24:19 <JakeWharton> for trivial things they work fine
Oct 22 21:24:48 <JakeWharton> you can still extract utility from fundamentally flawed things
Oct 22 21:25:24 <tricknology_> : git rm --cached -- /bin -r; got that. then push?
Oct 22 21:25:42 <gsteinert> one thing I hate about switching between programming languages is the dfering uss of length(), size() and count()... can't someone get these people together and decide on one name!?
Oct 22 21:25:50 <w0rp> Is there a standard spinning icon I can get, like the one used in the indeterminate progress in the action bar?
Oct 22 21:25:53 <danijoo> tricknology_: see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7527982/applying-gitignore-to-committed-files :)
Oct 22 21:27:50 <JakeWharton> w0rp: that's the default ProgressBar one
Oct 22 21:28:19 <Mohsen_Hassani> Guys how do you resize a WebView?
Oct 22 21:28:29 <w0rp> JakeWharton: I'm wanting to use it in an ImageButton.
Oct 22 21:28:49 <danijoo> Mohsen_Hassani: resize? what do you mean?
Oct 22 21:28:53 <w0rp> So I can tap the button, it animates with progress, and then changes to a 'done' icon.
Oct 22 21:28:57 <danijoo> usually like any other view
Oct 22 21:29:37 <JakeWharton> w0rp: use ?android:attr/indeterminateDrawable
Oct 22 21:29:47 <JakeWharton> i think that's the right theme attribute
Oct 22 21:31:26 <Mohsen_Hassani> danijoo, I resized it using webview.setLayoutParams but it only resizes the main 'white' view, but not the whole UI.
Oct 22 21:32:22 <w0rp> JakeWharton: Can I set that with setImageResource or something?
Oct 22 21:32:35 <JakeWharton> if you need to set it in code you'll have to resolve it from the theme
Oct 22 21:32:47 <Mohsen_Hassani> danijoo, When I call loadData() method it covers the whole screen and if I resize it using LayoutParams, it only resizes the content screen, but not the main which holds this screen.
Oct 22 21:32:52 <JakeWharton> which is creating a TypedValue and then calling resolveThemeAttribute on a Context
Oct 22 21:34:08 <danijoo> Mohsen_Hassani: why dont you set layout params on the main then?
Oct 22 21:34:16 <danijoo> (whatever "main" refers to)
Oct 22 21:35:46 <Mohsen_Hassani> danijoo, I have nothing as the main, I'm only using the WebView. Do you think the screen behind it could be the AbsoluteLayout which in the docs says it's inherited from?
Oct 22 21:36:13 <danijoo> I think I dont understand your problem.
Oct 22 21:36:41 <virgilivs> Is there any way to write a large bitmap from an android app to internal storage (large means larger than app heap space)
Oct 22 21:37:26 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: do you have anything else in your activity to be displayed? a TextVView or Button perhaps?
Oct 22 21:39:29 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, danijoo, I'm sorry I didn't explain better. I think my problem for not being much clear is that I don't know much about Java and I'm not even developing in Java. I'm using Python-kivy to create Android apps. So now I'm trying to use this WebView in my app.
Oct 22 21:40:13 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: I'm not familiar with python-kivy, but I assume it has the concept of Activities?
Oct 22 21:40:35 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, danijoo, When I call the WebView from the app, it will be opened, covering the whole screen and I even can't see my app main screen. I just spent a long time to set size using the LayoutParams
Oct 22 21:41:17 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: where do you want the webview to be displayed if not in the full screen?
Oct 22 21:41:39 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, yes, I have something called activity :)
Oct 22 21:43:46 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, Just like what the 'mail' app in android does. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the 'mail' app uses the webview to display email messages!? No? it has some buttons and menus at top, and some buttons and the bottom and in the middle it uses the webview.
Oct 22 21:44:21 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, I need to do something like that. I need something scrollable to display html text, to render it like a browser.
Oct 22 21:44:28 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: I see what you mean. Can you pastebin the code you are using?
Oct 22 21:45:03 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, sure :) before pasting it, I'm sorry if it's not in your origin language (java-android). :)
Oct 22 21:45:37 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: that's fine, i think you're probably looking at a logical error rather than a syntax problem anyway
Oct 22 21:47:07 <JacobTabak> is there a generic success/fail callback in java that i can use
Oct 22 21:47:16 <JacobTabak> rather than creating my own interface
Oct 22 21:47:46 <andreyrd> exception?
Oct 22 21:48:11 <JacobTabak> async callback
Oct 22 21:48:20 <JacobTabak> maybe i should learn about future/callable
Oct 22 21:48:43 <gsteinert> JacobTabak: is this to report success/failue of an AsyncTask?
Oct 22 21:48:49 <andreyrd> Ah, yeah I wrote my own classes :p
Oct 22 21:48:57 <JacobTabak> no i don't use asynctasks
Oct 22 21:49:05 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, This is somehow a working snippet for me. http://dpaste.com/3H9482E
Oct 22 21:49:06 <andreyrd> But those are in the appengine backend
Oct 22 21:49:23 <andreyrd> I just figured I might as well return the original object
Oct 22 21:49:54 <pfn> hmm, is there any way to tie an ActionBarDrawerToggle to an action item?
Oct 22 21:50:09 <JacobTabak> u mean rather than the home button?
Oct 22 21:50:38 <pfn> kind of, I want one for the right drawer
Oct 22 21:52:03 <JacobTabak> you don't need to use a drawer toggle
Oct 22 21:52:11 <gsteinert> Mohsen_Hassani: I think `activity.setContentView(web_view)` is your problem. activity.getContentView sets the top level object - in this case it looks like you're setting the WebView. If you've got buttons and such, they should be part of some sort of layout (LinearLayout for example). You need to add the WebView to the relevant layout instead
Oct 22 21:52:14 <JacobTabak> it doesn't do anything special other than integrate with the actionbar / home button pfn
Oct 22 21:52:27 <JacobTabak> you can open/close the drawer directly and implement your own drawer listener
Oct 22 21:53:03 <pfn> ...
Oct 22 21:53:07 <pfn> it animates the icon
Oct 22 21:53:12 <pfn> that is special
Oct 22 21:54:15 <gsteinert> anyway, I've done what I planned to tonight and there's no ay I'm awake enough to start implementing database upates form the web, so g'nite all :)
Oct 22 21:54:35 <JacobTabak> right pfn, that's integrating with the toolbar
Oct 22 21:54:37 <OverCoder> why this: int sidebarColor = prefs.getInt("sidebar_color", R.color.app_color_default); causes: java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.String cannot be cast to java.lang.Integer
Oct 22 21:54:39 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, thank you so muchhhhh :)
Oct 22 21:54:57 <Mohsen_Hassani> gsteinert, I just review the code based on what you said. :)
Oct 22 21:55:00 <JacobTabak> so youer' saying you want to animate a generic action item?
Oct 22 21:55:32 <pfn> JacobTabak, sure, but in correlation to a drawer
Oct 22 21:55:41 <JacobTabak> just implement a drawer listener
Oct 22 21:55:49 <JacobTabak> and interpolate your animation based on that
Oct 22 21:56:17 <pfn> yeah, just want something that's already tied together a la actionbardrawertoggle
Oct 22 21:59:06 <g00s> "Toolbar should be nested inside DrawerLayout's content child view" ahhh
Oct 22 21:59:40 <JacobTabak> i just learned what Future does
Oct 22 21:59:43 <JacobTabak> that's pretty cool.
Oct 22 22:00:10 <OverCoder> um, doesn't R.color.* return an Integer?
Oct 22 22:00:27 <pfn> OverCoder, depends, yes?
Oct 22 22:00:43 <OverCoder> uh, they why i'm getting that shitty error
Oct 22 22:00:45 * OverCoder investigates
Oct 22 22:01:07 <pfn> OverCoder, because you need getcolor
Oct 22 22:01:32 <OverCoder> prefs.getColor()
Oct 22 22:01:34 <OverCoder> ?
Oct 22 22:01:54 * OverCoder googles
Oct 22 22:02:14 <OverCoder> o
Oct 22 22:02:15 <lasserix_> yeah
Oct 22 22:02:17 <OverCoder> thanks
Oct 22 22:03:23 <lasserix_> I'm using a camera to do a 3d rotation on lsitview children, but it's not quite working... anyone try to do something like that?
Oct 22 22:03:30 <lasserix_> basically my listview is squased a little
Oct 22 22:03:33 <lasserix_> i'm using drawChild
Oct 22 22:03:51 <lasserix_> to rotate using camera object, then concat the canvas matrix
Oct 22 22:08:14 <JakeWharton> JacobTabak: just don't try actually using a Future
Oct 22 22:08:31 <JacobTabak> lol why not, it seems like it could be useful in some rare circumstances
Oct 22 22:08:45 <JakeWharton> it's a poor abstraction
Oct 22 22:08:55 <JakeWharton> you have to use something like Guava or Java 8 to get actual utility
Oct 22 22:08:58 <Cracker_Z> http://winocm.com/projects/research/2013/11/22/milestone-one/
Oct 22 22:09:03 <JakeWharton> (ListenableFuture or CompletableFuture)
Oct 22 22:09:09 <JacobTabak> thanks - checking those out
Oct 22 22:09:30 <JakeWharton> I find the RxJava stuff much nicer
Oct 22 22:10:05 <JacobTabak> JakeWharton i feel like rxjava leaves a bit to be desired for observables that only emit 1 item
Oct 22 22:10:09 <OverCoder> resources.getColor(R.color.app_color_default), same error
Oct 22 22:10:15 * OverCoder throws himself from the window
Oct 22 22:10:18 <JakeWharton> how?
Oct 22 22:10:37 <JakeWharton> the number of items shouldn't affect much or anything
Oct 22 22:11:09 <JacobTabak> it's just overly complex
Oct 22 22:11:15 <JakeWharton> how?
Oct 22 22:11:34 <JakeWharton> Observable.just(item).subscribe(x -> println(x))
Oct 22 22:11:55 <JacobTabak> i mean it's fine
Oct 22 22:12:05 <JacobTabak> and it's probably what i'll use
Oct 22 22:12:24 <JacobTabak> JakeWharton i actually wanted to get your opinion on something related to this
Oct 22 22:12:30 <JacobTabak> i was dealing with activity rotation mid-network request
Oct 22 22:12:54 <Agamemnus> JacobTabak
Oct 22 22:12:59 <Agamemnus> Guess what?
Oct 22 22:13:13 <Agamemnus> ... come on. Say "what".
Oct 22 22:13:32 <Agamemnus> I'm very happy right now.
Oct 22 22:13:42 <JacobTabak> so i have a retrofit observable that is publishing to a non-configuration PublishSubject in my activity
Oct 22 22:14:01 <JacobTabak> which is a lot of boilerplate code, and its kind of unmanagable/unmaintainable
Oct 22 22:14:04 <Agamemnus> ... apparently, the slowdown in my game was caused because webgl can't handle non-power-of-2 textures.
Oct 22 22:14:14 <Agamemnus> Now it is much faster. (haven't uploaded yet!)
Oct 22 22:14:48 <JacobTabak> i was wishing there was a way to save my existing retrofit observable and resubscribe to it on rotation
Oct 22 22:15:01 <JacobTabak> but obviously that doesn't work since re-subscribing to it makes the request again
Oct 22 22:15:24 <JakeWharton> right. and it's not Retrofit's job to do that. but you should be able to implement that at a layer between in a generalized way
Oct 22 22:15:45 <JacobTabak> it's an interesting challenge
Oct 22 22:16:02 <Agamemnus> JacobTabak, did you see my message? Or am I on your ignore list again.
Oct 22 22:16:33 <JakeWharton> JacobTabak: it shouldn't be too bad. i have something like this somewhere...
Oct 22 22:16:50 <JacobTabak> yea, interesting to integrate it into a base activity in a reusable way
Oct 22 22:17:05 <g00s> maybe use cache
Oct 22 22:17:11 <JacobTabak> Agamemnus i noticed you updated your app several times in the last few days, that's nice you found a fix for that
Oct 22 22:17:18 <JacobTabak> (not sure why I still have it installed lol)
Oct 22 22:17:29 <Agamemnus> I'm updating it again very soon
Oct 22 22:17:34 <Agamemnus> And then it'll be super fast!
Oct 22 22:18:00 <Agamemnus> I thought the power-of-2 nightmare was over with 10 years ago
Oct 22 22:18:20 <JacobTabak> Agamemnus i noticed you put some configuration / setup dialogs in
Oct 22 22:18:29 <JacobTabak> but you dont demonstrate what the features you're talking about actually do
Oct 22 22:18:32 <g00s> JacobTabak see http://blog.futurice.com/top-7-tips-for-rxjava-on-android
Oct 22 22:18:37 <JakeWharton> i'm not sure i'd put it in a base activity
Oct 22 22:18:40 <g00s> search for .cache
Oct 22 22:18:43 <Agamemnus> I described them in the updates
Oct 22 22:18:52 <JacobTabak> cool g00s, thank you
Oct 22 22:19:03 <Agamemnus> But I suppose I can work a little on that. I just figure that people will play with it
Oct 22 22:19:09 <JacobTabak> people have no patience
Oct 22 22:19:18 <JacobTabak> and dont like to be asked to make choices abotu things they dont understand
Oct 22 22:19:35 <JacobTabak> i hate it when someone asks me a question and i have no idea how my answer will affect my experience
Oct 22 22:19:44 <JakeWharton> wow
Oct 22 22:19:53 <JakeWharton> #7 on that post is FUD bull shit
Oct 22 22:20:51 <Cracker_Z> Agamemnus how did you managed to use webgl?
Oct 22 22:20:53 <ChrisUK> do android apps have a folder they can read and write to
Oct 22 22:20:53 <f2prateek> It's in u2020 no? The gallerydatabse class eschews the activity life cycle so components can reattach to it
Oct 22 22:20:57 <ChrisUK> for their calculations
Oct 22 22:21:01 <JakeWharton> there's a lot of hand wavy stuff in here...
Oct 22 22:21:07 <JakeWharton> f2prateek: yeah but it's not reusable
Oct 22 22:21:23 <Agamemnus> Cracker_Z: webgl is what browsers use for 3d.
Oct 22 22:21:24 <JacobTabak> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Context.html#getFilesDir()
Oct 22 22:21:28 <JakeWharton> "You could, for instance, cast strings into integers this way."
Oct 22 22:21:28 <JacobTabak> ChrisUK
Oct 22 22:21:36 <TacticalJoke> Is there anyone who has used the Hudl 2 and can confirm or disconfirm that Android development works fine with it?
Oct 22 22:22:51 <JacobTabak> ... it's an android device?
Oct 22 22:22:55 <g00s> thats an old blog post, but the first one that came up :)
Oct 22 22:23:22 <TacticalJoke> JacobTabak:  Yeah, but people are talking about having issues doing development with the first Hudl.  The second is very new, so I'm not finding anything in Google.
Oct 22 22:23:41 <JacobTabak> TacticalJoke it's an android device, runs android apps, and has google play... so
Oct 22 22:23:54 <ChrisUK> ok thakns
Oct 22 22:23:57 <JacobTabak> are you consdiering buying it?
Oct 22 22:24:01 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Oct 22 22:24:02 <ChrisUK> thanks :)
Oct 22 22:24:05 <JacobTabak> why not by a nexus?
Oct 22 22:24:28 <JacobTabak> buy*
Oct 22 22:24:37 <TacticalJoke> The Hudl 2 is really inexpensive.  I can get it for £64.50 (~$100).
Oct 22 22:25:00 <JacobTabak> oic. i wouldn't, but that's just me
Oct 22 22:25:18 <JacobTabak> i'm sure you could get a used nexus 7 cheap
Oct 22 22:25:21 <JacobTabak> 2013 model
Oct 22 22:25:31 <Cracker_Z> Agamemnus i know, i tried google population map, it was nice! But Webgl is unsupopported in Android 4.4 default webview.
Oct 22 22:25:45 <Agamemnus> Oh, I'm using Cordova Crosswalk.
Oct 22 22:25:45 <TacticalJoke> I looked.  Still around the starting price on Amazon.co.uk.
Oct 22 22:25:52 <TacticalJoke> I do like the idea of an 8" tablet, though.
Oct 22 22:26:04 <ChrisUK> jocob so the directory returned bygetFilesDir () that is where programs cache their data etc?
Oct 22 22:26:13 <JacobTabak> i'll sell you my 2012 nexus 7 for $80 usd if you pay shipping
Oct 22 22:26:15 <JacobTabak> ;)
Oct 22 22:26:28 <TacticalJoke> lol
Oct 22 22:26:43 <TacticalJoke> That's not a bad price.
Oct 22 22:26:49 <TacticalJoke> I wonder what condition it's in.
Oct 22 22:26:59 <JacobTabak> ChrisUK look at that javadoc
Oct 22 22:27:02 <JacobTabak> there's another method... getCacheDir
Oct 22 22:27:20 <JacobTabak> filesdir is generally only removed when your app is uninstalled, cachedir can be cleared at any time by the OS
Oct 22 22:27:58 <JacobTabak> it's fine TacticalJoke, I never used it for anything but dev, my kid played games on it though
Oct 22 22:28:32 <JacobTabak> but that tablet is junk heh
Oct 22 22:28:32 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'll be using mine only for Android development.  I think.
Oct 22 22:28:44 <OverCoder> int sidebarColor = prefs.getInt("sidebar_color", 7); Error: cannot cast from string to interger
Oct 22 22:28:45 <TacticalJoke> You were gonna sell me junk?  :p
Oct 22 22:28:47 <OverCoder> shoot me
Oct 22 22:28:50 <OverCoder> plz do it
Oct 22 22:28:51 <TacticalJoke> I've heard it's not as good as the 2013 model.
Oct 22 22:29:48 <JacobTabak> hangouts is so annoying on osx, it brings chrome to the front whenever i click on a hangout window
Oct 22 22:29:52 <osipovas> didn't the 2012 models have some flash memory problems? Just eventually got sluggish?
Oct 22 22:29:55 <TacticalJoke> OverCoder:  Wut.
Oct 22 22:30:06 <JacobTabak> yeah its super sluggish
Oct 22 22:30:09 <Cracker_Z> Anyone know how to update Webview?
Oct 22 22:30:13 <g00s> osipovas yeah, no trim support
Oct 22 22:30:16 <JacobTabak> Cracker_Z its' updated automatically in 5.
Oct 22 22:30:18 <Cracker_Z> I'm struck on 33
Oct 22 22:30:26 <Cracker_Z> I know that
Oct 22 22:30:29 <g00s> or maybe an update to the OS added trim, dunno
Oct 22 22:30:36 <osipovas> the memory itself had no flash support or OS?
Oct 22 22:30:49 <Cracker_Z> Google is like = screw old devices, fck it!
Oct 22 22:30:49 <TacticalJoke> I wonder why Nexus devices need Google USB Driver while others don't.  Hmm.
Oct 22 22:31:12 <g00s> others come with their own ?
Oct 22 22:31:51 <g00s> kinda confused - docs say use Theme.AppCompat.NoActionBar if using ToolBar, but iosched still uses heme.AppCompat
Oct 22 22:31:52 <Cracker_Z> Someone should hack this Webview and replace it with latest 38 chromium build
Oct 22 22:32:26 <Cracker_Z> Is it even possible in Android <4.4?
Oct 22 22:35:32 <OverCoder> http://p.samuraimanpurse.com/69PaS7Ev.txt this causes ClassCastException
Oct 22 22:37:54 <TacticalJoke> "Throws ClassCastException if there is a preference with this name that is not an int."
Oct 22 22:39:08 <OverCoder> there isn't anything
Oct 22 22:39:13 <JacobTabak> g00s have you used .cache?
Oct 22 22:39:17 <OverCoder> nothing is stored in the preferences at all
Oct 22 22:39:36 <OverCoder> pretty much this is the very first piece of the onCreate() method
Oct 22 22:39:42 <g00s> JacobTabak so far, my obervables coming across service / UI have been hot so no
Oct 22 22:39:47 <JacobTabak> seems like a really good solution
Oct 22 22:40:05 <g00s> hope it works out
Oct 22 22:40:06 <JacobTabak> save a cached version of the retro observable to nonconfigurationstate
Oct 22 22:40:18 <JacobTabak> thanks dude, i'll let you know
Oct 22 22:40:32 <JacobTabak> and the beautiful thing is
Oct 22 22:40:36 <JacobTabak> i have all the tests written
Oct 22 22:40:41 <JacobTabak> so i can just try it and if the tests pass... voila
Oct 22 22:41:04 <TacticalJoke> OverCoder:  You're sure you haven't saved preferences previously.
Oct 22 22:41:07 <TacticalJoke> s/./?/
Oct 22 22:41:17 <OverCoder> nothing at all
Oct 22 22:41:25 <OverCoder> but, let me try something
Oct 22 22:41:54 <JacobTabak> OverCoder adb shell pm clear my.app.identifier
Oct 22 22:42:04 <OverCoder> sec
Oct 22 22:42:37 <OverCoder> Success :)
Oct 22 22:42:59 <Cracker_Z> Hurray!
Oct 22 22:43:47 <TacticalJoke> This post, advocating the use of custom views instead of Fragments, got mixed reactions on Reddit:  http://corner.squareup.com/2014/10/advocating-against-android-fragments.html  I wonder what people here think.
Oct 22 22:44:00 <TacticalJoke> Here's the Reddit discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2iodnx/advocating_against_android_fragments/
Oct 22 22:44:05 <g00s> TacticalJoke ask JakeWharton
Oct 22 22:44:14 <JacobTabak> trolol
Oct 22 22:44:21 <JakeWharton> it did not advocate custom views
Oct 22 22:44:27 <JakeWharton> it offered custom views as an alternative aproach
Oct 22 22:44:52 <JakeWharton> you can not use fragments and also not create custom views
Oct 22 22:45:22 <JakeWharton> and of course it got mixed reactions
Oct 22 22:45:31 <JakeWharton> people swallow whatever shit comes out of Google as gospel
Oct 22 22:45:36 <JakeWharton> sometimes that's fine, sometimes it isn't
Oct 22 22:46:20 * g00s preaches goospel
Oct 22 22:46:57 <JakeWharton> it's delusional to think that somehow Google engineers are infallible
Oct 22 22:49:48 <andreyrd> I also think fragments are kind of hacky
Oct 22 22:50:15 <JakeWharton> they're not hacky, just a poorly implemented concept
Oct 22 22:50:33 <bubbleguuum> a good part of Android feel hacky...not that I would have done any better...
Oct 22 22:50:34 <JakeWharton> NoSaveStateFrameLayout is a bit of a hack
Oct 22 22:50:55 <TacticalJoke> bubbleguuum:  I agree.  I feel like that quite often when doing Android development.
Oct 22 22:51:15 <TacticalJoke> s/like //
Oct 22 22:51:42 <bubbleguuum> Android developement generally favors shooting yourself in the foot
Oct 22 22:51:43 <TacticalJoke> I kinda like Fragments for simple stuff.  But I've not gone beyond "simple stuff".
Oct 22 22:51:54 <TacticalJoke> And I've not tried something like custom views.
Oct 22 22:52:23 <JakeWharton> there's nothing stopping you from creating re-usable components out of a view+controller or custom view
Oct 22 22:52:33 <g00s> I use fragments instead of activities, except when activities should be entry point into the app to receive Intents
Oct 22 22:57:46 <g00s> so i understand Toolbar i think; 2 use cases -  (1) anywhere in the hierarchy, or (2) in the standard place - but for #2, why even use it? why not just rely on the old actionbar?
Oct 22 22:58:20 <g00s> is it just that in 21, the old actionbar shows app icon + title ?
Oct 22 22:58:33 <g00s> (which is now oldschool) ?
Oct 22 22:59:04 <bubbleguuum> there's no app icon anymore on 21 using ActionBar and the Material theme
Oct 22 22:59:20 <bubbleguuum> setIcon() do nothing
Oct 22 22:59:40 <g00s> ok, so stupid question then, should i just be using toolbar for everything ?
Oct 22 22:59:54 <g00s> (wherever i was using standard actionbar)
Oct 22 23:00:15 <bubbleguuum> depends on what you are aiming for I guess
Oct 22 23:00:48 <g00s> i'm so tired, i don't even know what i'm aiming for uggg
Oct 22 23:00:49 <bubbleguuum> I converted my Holo app to use the Holo theme on pre-21 and the Material theme on 21 (no compat libs), so I kept the ActionBar code
Oct 22 23:01:39 <bubbleguuum> but the ActionBar with Theme.Material on 21 has some missing features so it's a bit different than Holo's
Oct 22 23:03:51 <JakeWharton> yes
Oct 22 23:03:54 <JakeWharton> always use toolbar
Oct 22 23:03:56 <JakeWharton> action bar is dead
Oct 22 23:04:09 <g00s> ok, thanks
Oct 22 23:04:24 <JakeWharton> not dead, but you know what i mean
Oct 22 23:04:29 <JakeWharton> the toolbar is much more flexible, etc.
Oct 22 23:04:34 <bubbleguuum> you can use toolbar only if using AppCompat
Oct 22 23:04:49 <JakeWharton> also minSdk 21
Oct 22 23:05:01 <bubbleguuum> indeed
Oct 22 23:05:47 <bubbleguuum> i find it annoying that AppCompat rely on support-v4 rather than v13 (compat Fragments vs rela Fragments)
Oct 22 23:05:49 <g00s> allright, so i should use toolbar even if its just going to the top like the past actionbar
Oct 22 23:06:28 <JakeWharton> wat. those are orthogonal
Oct 22 23:06:31 <TacticalJoke> <insanity-wolf>Use minSdkVersion=21 for all projects.</insanity-wolf>
Oct 22 23:06:36 <JakeWharton> fragments have nothing to do with appcompat
Oct 22 23:07:37 <bubbleguuum> "All of your Activities must extend from ActionBarActivity, which extends from FragmentActivity from the v4 support library, so you can continue to use fragments."
Oct 22 23:07:58 <JakeWharton> that doesn't prevent you from using native fragments
Oct 22 23:08:18 <JakeWharton> nor force you to use compat ones at all
Oct 22 23:08:36 <bubbleguuum> it it where depending on support-v14 it could extend Activity directly
Oct 22 23:08:44 <bubbleguuum> *support-v13
Oct 22 23:09:03 <JakeWharton> no, you still need to extend a base activity for the theming behavior
Oct 22 23:09:19 <bubbleguuum> wouldn't that be ActionBarActivity ?
Oct 22 23:09:42 <bubbleguuum> I'm possibly confused. Not that this cannot be confusing at times =)
Oct 22 23:09:53 <JakeWharton> yes. what i'm saying is no matter what you have to extend a custom activity so why would they bother shipping two with the same functionality
Oct 22 23:11:07 <bubbleguuum> I'm targeting minSdk=14. I prefer to use support-v13 rather than support-v4 to never have to deal with compat fragments
Oct 22 23:11:20 <JakeWharton> support-v13 is 3 classes
Oct 22 23:11:27 <JakeWharton> it depends on support-v4
Oct 22 23:11:45 <JakeWharton> it's a superset, not a replacement
Oct 22 23:11:53 <JacobTabak> ya common misconception
Oct 22 23:11:54 <TacticalJoke> Aren't compat Fragments better?
Oct 22 23:11:59 <JacobTabak> nobody will ever use a non-compat fragment
Oct 22 23:12:03 <JakeWharton> "better"
Oct 22 23:12:09 <JakeWharton> they're consistent in bugs and behavior which i value
Oct 22 23:12:10 <JacobTabak> most useless class ever
Oct 22 23:12:53 <bubbleguuum> I use exclusively non compat fragments
Oct 22 23:12:54 <TacticalJoke> My understanding is that native Fragments aren't updated unless the device's version of Android is updated, whereas compat Fragments are updated whenever support-v4 is updated.
Oct 22 23:13:04 <bubbleguuum> I don't need theme since targetting API 14+
Oct 22 23:13:06 <TacticalJoke> Is that right?
Oct 22 23:13:44 <TacticalJoke> It might be, for example, that 4.0 "native" fragments are buggier than the latest compat fragments.
Oct 22 23:13:56 <JacobTabak> bubbleguuum don't use viewpager?
Oct 22 23:14:12 <andreyrd> I use them
Oct 22 23:14:15 <JacobTabak> or have you implemented your own FragmentAdapters
Oct 22 23:14:29 <TacticalJoke> BTW, if we're depending on support-v13 do we also need to depend on support-v4?
Oct 22 23:14:36 <JacobTabak> no as he said above !
Oct 22 23:14:46 <bubbleguuum> JacobTabak: I use ViewPager but modified it to use real Fragments
Oct 22 23:14:54 <JacobTabak> and that benefits you... how?
Oct 22 23:14:57 <JakeWharton> you don't have to modify it to do that...
Oct 22 23:15:07 <JacobTabak> just the adapters
Oct 22 23:15:13 <TacticalJoke> bubbleguuum:  Compat fragments might be better!
Oct 22 23:15:14 <JakeWharton> support-v13 has those adapters
Oct 22 23:15:15 <andreyrd> I don't like that they aren't interchangeable though
Oct 22 23:15:15 <andreyrd> I can't use the AOSP time picker in my compat activities for example :<
Oct 22 23:15:43 <bubbleguuum> yes sorry I use the adapters from support-v13
Oct 22 23:16:07 <JakeWharton> support-v13 consists solely of those adapters (3 classes) and then depends on support-v4 for everything else
Oct 22 23:16:12 <andreyrd> And then ViewPager requires support for example :/
Oct 22 23:16:34 <JakeWharton> imagine how much you would be complaining if ViewPager was in the SDK and had API-specific bugs and functionality
Oct 22 23:17:56 <bubbleguuum> all of this is a bit ...confusing sometimes.
Oct 22 23:17:57 <g00s> things that don't have deep hooks and aren't vital should be in their own extras/libraries
Oct 22 23:19:18 <TacticalJoke> If multiple apps ship support-v4, is Android smart enough to keep only one copy on the device?
Oct 22 23:19:20 <JacobTabak> opinions - is it reasonable to wrap this whole block with a try/catch for IOException and NPException ? The bitmap methods can return null, and I am too lazy to write better code. http://pastebin.com/qvuaQgA9
Oct 22 23:19:24 <TacticalJoke> Assuming they're identical.
Oct 22 23:19:28 <JacobTabak> TacticalJoke no of course not
Oct 22 23:19:56 <g00s> TacticalJoke if anything, the trend id away from sharing pieces between apps (docker)
Oct 22 23:20:13 <g00s> better to be self contained; storage costs going down ;)
Oct 22 23:20:20 <TacticalJoke> JacobTabak:  Why "of course not"?
Oct 22 23:20:21 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: no. that would be dll hell!
Oct 22 23:25:03 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, okay.
Oct 22 23:25:21 <TacticalJoke> JacobTabak:  I so want to extract that 'try' body into a method of its own.
Oct 22 23:25:27 <TacticalJoke> And perhaps extract further.
Oct 22 23:25:42 <JacobTabak> not a bad idea
Oct 22 23:25:50 <JacobTabak> but i mean
Oct 22 23:25:59 <TacticalJoke> "try { doSomething(); } catch (WhateverException e) { handleIssues(); }" is so easy to read.
Oct 22 23:26:00 <JacobTabak> rather than checking for null after each BitmapFactory operation
Oct 22 23:26:17 <JacobTabak> i'm just wrapping the whole block in a who-gives-a-shit-what-goes-wrong-if-it-went-wrong try/catch
Oct 22 23:26:48 <JacobTabak> but yeah i am going to do what you suggested
Oct 22 23:27:30 <bubbleguuum> catching NullPointerException is not a good idea as it could mask a real NPE that is a code mistake
Oct 22 23:27:55 <TacticalJoke> Damn, that sucks having to worry about null all the time.
Oct 22 23:27:58 <TacticalJoke> Seems like an API flaw.
Oct 22 23:28:02 <bubbleguuum> nope
Oct 22 23:28:22 <JacobTabak> bubbleguuum that's my concern... but i really don't want to make this logic more complicated than it has to be
Oct 22 23:28:23 <TacticalJoke> Why didn't they just throw exceptions?
Oct 22 23:28:35 <JacobTabak> TacticalJoke they probably should have.
Oct 22 23:28:46 <TacticalJoke> I guess you could make a wrapper class that throws exceptions.  lol
Oct 22 23:28:51 <TacticalJoke> Long-winded, but it could be nice and clean to use.
Oct 22 23:29:22 <JacobTabak> bubbleguuum the code would be so much nastier with null checks everywhere
Oct 22 23:29:27 <JacobTabak> :\
Oct 22 23:29:34 <bubbleguuum> I disagree
Oct 22 23:29:47 <bubbleguuum> when you have to check for null, just do it
Oct 22 23:30:18 <TacticalJoke> What if you just wrap BitmapFactory.decodeFile?
Oct 22 23:30:24 <TacticalJoke> Something like BitmapFactoryHelper.decodeFile.
Oct 22 23:30:29 <g00s> null is often used as a sentinel value (unfortunately). in that case, yeah just check .. don't let NPE fuck up the app
Oct 22 23:30:30 <TacticalJoke> Though it is kinda hacky.
Oct 22 23:31:15 <JacobTabak> ;\
Oct 22 23:31:29 <andreyrd> ^
Oct 22 23:31:31 * andreyrd looks at amazon app
Oct 22 23:31:32 <andreyrd> 90mv
Oct 22 23:31:33 <andreyrd> Mb*
Oct 22 23:31:41 <lasserix_> What's the best way to animate a fade effect for a rect?
Oct 22 23:31:55 <lasserix_> I am not using a surface view, i just want a color to appear, then fade to alpha = 0
Oct 22 23:32:46 <g00s> so now that Toolbar is just a viewgroup, i can put Toolbars in my Toollbars, right ?
Oct 22 23:32:47 * g00s runs
Oct 22 23:32:48 <JacobTabak> a rect on a canvas?
Oct 22 23:33:08 <lasserix_> yea
Oct 22 23:33:38 <JacobTabak> dunno
Oct 22 23:33:54 <JacobTabak> g00s i was saying i want to make a game with lots of drawerlayouts embedded within eachother
Oct 22 23:34:07 <JacobTabak> its like a guessing game
Oct 22 23:34:14 <JacobTabak> you have to guess which edge and gravity
Oct 22 23:34:45 * OverCoder goes to sleepo
Oct 22 23:34:48 <OverCoder> s/po/p/
Oct 22 23:35:03 <OverCoder> o my
Oct 22 23:35:07 <OverCoder> wrong channel
Oct 22 23:35:56 <g00s> setContentView(new ToolBar())
Oct 22 23:36:08 <kluyg> does anybody know how to setup build.gradle for the project which is supposed to be a JAR that can be used in Android?
Oct 22 23:36:20 <kluyg> I tried Android Library at first, but is wants me to add AndroidManifest.xml and other stuff I don't need. I just need access to things like android.content.Context
Oct 22 23:36:27 <g00s> kluyg look at the gradle-samples-0.13
Oct 22 23:36:48 <g00s> just use the regular java plugin
Oct 22 23:36:57 <kluyg> and I need a JAR at the end that other can just drop to /libs folder and use in their Android applications
Oct 22 23:37:49 <chrisdunder> Anyone know the difference between android.os.Process.killProcess() and ActivityManager.killBackgroundProcess()? (Other than the added permission the AM method requires)
Oct 22 23:37:53 <kluyg> g00s I can't get java plugin to work :( it complains about missing classes (I suppose they're defined in android.jar)
Oct 22 23:38:10 <andreyrd> Lol
Oct 22 23:38:13 <andreyrd> Why not check when you use it?
Oct 22 23:38:29 <g00s> kluyg well if using the android stuff, then use aar (android library plugin)
Oct 22 23:40:43 <kluyg> g00s so there is no solution in the middle? I don't need resources, AndroidManifest.xml and other android stuff, just org.apache.http, android.content.Context, things like that
Oct 22 23:42:34 <g00s> not that i know of. if you try to use java plugin, you'll (i think) at least need a "provided" dependency on android.jar 4 in maven central which is lame
Oct 22 23:44:13 <kluyg> g00s I see, thanks a lot
Oct 22 23:46:28 <TacticalJoke> Why is there no "native" ViewPager?  Is it that Google momentarily wised up about the whole it's-better-to-use-libraries thing?
Oct 22 23:46:50 <TacticalJoke> s/wised/wisened/
Oct 22 23:47:10 <TacticalJoke> Wait, "wizened".
Oct 22 23:47:18 <JacobTabak> I think that may be the case, but their inconsistency is a bit irritating
Oct 22 23:47:25 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, it's odd.
Oct 22 23:47:32 <JacobTabak> like - why even bother with making native apis for the material stuff?
Oct 22 23:47:36 <JacobTabak> why not just put it all in appcompat
Oct 22 23:47:56 <tricknology__> Is there a way in intellij, like in Eclipse, to generate methods that can not be resolved?
Oct 22 23:48:06 <g00s> there shouldn't be an appcompat at all. just libraries that get updated and do the right fucking thing
Oct 22 23:48:09 <JacobTabak> of course tricknology__
Oct 22 23:48:16 <tricknology__> i mean besides the lightbulb
Oct 22 23:48:24 <JacobTabak> alt-enter i believe is the default keybind
Oct 22 23:48:24 <tricknology__> maybe a keystroke combination
Oct 22 23:48:30 <tricknology__> yee thanks
Oct 22 23:48:47 <tricknology__> can you combine keybinds? like have them do multiple things?
Oct 22 23:51:06 <TacticalJoke> BTW, I think it's "wised up".  Never mind.
Oct 22 23:51:19 <JakeWharton> there's a difference between re-usable components that don't require framework support and fundamental changes to the framework
Oct 22 23:51:27 <JakeWharton> ViewPager is the former, Material (and it's changes) are the latter
Oct 22 23:51:38 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, you have inbox?
Oct 22 23:51:42 <JakeWharton> yes
Oct 22 23:51:46 <JacobTabak> gahhh
Oct 22 23:51:49 <JacobTabak> lemme in on this
Oct 22 23:54:26 <g00s> i guess all my layouts then get another hierarchy deeper; seems everything becomes <linearlayout><toolbar /><content /></linearlayout />
Oct 22 23:54:44 <JakeWharton> they were already like that
Oct 22 23:54:55 <JakeWharton> how do you think the action bar worked?
Oct 22 23:55:03 <g00s> oh i thought it was soemthing special :)
Oct 22 23:55:12 <JakeWharton> you lost a level of depth at the decor view for a level in your control
Oct 22 23:55:25 <g00s> ah ok
Oct 22 23:55:45 <g00s> so at the end, its the same
Oct 22 23:55:52 <JakeWharton> yep. probably better, actually
Oct 22 23:56:14 <bubbleguuum> Google could have gone Toolbar in 2011 :p
Oct 22 23:56:40 <g00s> i think in 2011 i was on froyo ...
Oct 22 23:57:04 <JakeWharton> indeed. actionbarsherlock was just a standalone action bar that implemented the ActionBar API
Oct 22 23:57:14 <bubbleguuum> Hoenycomb was released in 2012 ?
Oct 22 23:57:26 <bubbleguuum> I don't even remember
Oct 22 23:58:02 <JakeWharton> ICS was November 2011
Oct 22 23:58:13 <bubbleguuum> so HC was 2011
Oct 22 23:58:17 <surf2b1> Is it possible to have a MenuItem in a SubMenu not dismiss the popup when clicked?
Oct 23 00:02:21 <tricknology__> having a bit of trouble creating a test module
Oct 23 00:02:57 <tricknology__> RD, new module, test module.. nothing in “Tested module”
Oct 23 00:06:05 <canadiancow> birbeck, you around?
Oct 23 00:06:13 <birbeck> sup
Oct 23 00:10:52 <g00s> hey its birbeck
Oct 23 00:11:23 <tricknology__> “Currently there is no way to create test module for library module automatically. You can, for example, create application module that depends on the library module, and then create test module for it. Another way is to put the instrumentation into the application module itself, so additional "test" module is not needed."
Oct 23 00:11:26 <tricknology__> whack
Oct 23 00:11:38 * tricknology__ should have waited...
Oct 23 00:11:58 <tricknology__> most of my day, done
Oct 23 00:13:46 <JacobTabak> tricknology__ ?
Oct 23 00:14:11 <JacobTabak> whats the problem now?
Oct 23 00:16:25 <JacobTabak> tricknology__ can I help you?
Oct 23 00:16:46 <tricknology__> JacobTabak, trying to create a unit test for my library
Oct 23 00:16:50 <JacobTabak> no problem
Oct 23 00:17:06 <tricknology__> create an activity that depends on the test?
Oct 23 00:17:14 <tricknology__> err lib*
Oct 23 00:17:47 <JacobTabak> create a sample app that uses the lib
Oct 23 00:17:54 <JacobTabak> or, create a java module and put junit tests in there
Oct 23 00:18:13 <bankai_au> pfn: probably not interested, but just FYI http://roboscala.org/
Oct 23 00:18:41 <tricknology__> gah that’s what I was doing at first but I figured “hey, let’s not “
Oct 23 00:19:00 <pfn> bankai_au, that's the iOS thing?
Oct 23 00:19:13 <bankai_au> yeah
Oct 23 00:19:32 <JacobTabak> (#toolazytotestanddontremember) I know progressDialogs are dismissed on rotation... are alertdialogs (not dialogfragments) dismissed as well?
Oct 23 00:20:28 <canadiancow> i thought all dialogs were
Oct 23 00:21:11 <JacobTabak> thought so too
Oct 23 00:21:17 <JacobTabak> but not 100% sure
Oct 23 00:30:51 <JacobTabak> Has anyone considered using static injection for a toast helper?
Oct 23 00:30:57 <JacobTabak> I'm going to do it.
Oct 23 00:31:05 <JacobTabak> Can't think of any reason why not to
Oct 23 00:31:13 <tricknology__> any way to migrate form a library to activity?
Oct 23 00:31:27 <tricknology__> (and have it auto generate hello-world?)
Oct 23 00:31:48 <g00s> um, in material is the nav drawer supposed to slide over the toolbar, or should the toolbar be above everything like before ?
Oct 23 00:32:23 <JacobTabak> g00s drawer is over toolbar
Oct 23 00:32:29 <JacobTabak> tricknology__ ...what?
Oct 23 00:32:39 <g00s> JacobTabak OK so they changed that ?
Oct 23 00:32:41 <JacobTabak> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26440879/how-do-i-use-drawerlayout-to-display-over-the-actionbar-toolbar-and-under-the-st
Oct 23 00:32:43 <JacobTabak> yes
Oct 23 00:32:49 <JacobTabak> that's chris banes asking & answering question
Oct 23 00:33:00 <tricknology__> JacobTabak, I created the project with the wizard, I guess, and I selected library.  I would like it to autogenerate a hello-activity
Oct 23 00:33:12 <JacobTabak> dont use wizards :(
Oct 23 00:33:21 <tricknology__> TIFU
Oct 23 00:33:26 <tricknology__> learning
Oct 23 00:33:40 <JacobTabak> i don't use anything generated by the IDE for activities, etc
Oct 23 00:33:44 <JacobTabak> i hate how they make menu resources
Oct 23 00:33:47 <tricknology__> tempted to just delete the whole project and start over lol
Oct 23 00:33:47 <JacobTabak> etc etc
Oct 23 00:33:52 <JacobTabak> do it
Oct 23 00:34:29 <tricknology__> “Mard Directory As” dead to me
Oct 23 00:34:32 <tricknology__> meak*
Oct 23 00:34:41 <tricknology__> m-a-r-k
Oct 23 00:35:03 <g00s> JacobTabak ok thanks. how did you get to http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html
Oct 23 00:35:22 <JacobTabak> what?
Oct 23 00:35:58 <g00s> ah nm
Oct 23 00:36:40 <TacticalJoke> In Play Newsstands, the drawer overlaps the toolbar.  In Play Music, it stays underneath.
Oct 23 00:37:28 <TacticalJoke> s/Newsstands/Newsstand/
Oct 23 00:38:37 <JacobTabak> play music hasn't been updated right?
Oct 23 00:38:53 <birbeck> hey g00s
Oct 23 00:39:22 <osipovas> I got the play music update
Oct 23 00:39:44 <osipovas> goes below the *bar
Oct 23 00:39:44 <TacticalJoke> It kinda looks like Material.  Not sure, though.
Oct 23 00:40:02 <osipovas> looks very material
Oct 23 00:40:33 <tricknology__> terminated
Oct 23 00:41:01 <TacticalJoke> tricknology__:  Are you defecting from Eclipse?  ;o
Oct 23 00:41:12 <tricknology__> It looks that wat
Oct 23 00:41:24 <tricknology__> way*.. but who knows, I might be back in a day lol
Oct 23 00:41:28 <TacticalJoke> lol
Oct 23 00:41:32 <TacticalJoke> I'll be the only Eclipse user.  ;|
Oct 23 00:41:37 <tricknology__> my productivity for today has fallen sharply because of the learning curve
Oct 23 00:41:44 <tricknology__> ceom to the dark side..
Oct 23 00:42:37 <surf2b1> I don't really like the size of the Toolbar for Play Music, GPlay, etc. too large :\
Oct 23 00:44:23 <g00s> hey birbeck !
Oct 23 00:45:40 <tricknology__> So it looks like I’m back to eclipse hahaha
Oct 23 00:45:46 <TacticalJoke> Play Movies & TV looks kinda weird here.  I have a dark-red toolbar with a grey overflow menu.
Oct 23 00:45:51 <TacticalJoke> tricknology__:  lol
Oct 23 00:45:59 <tricknology__> I deleted the project from the disk and used git ull in the directory
Oct 23 00:46:03 <tricknology__> pulll*
Oct 23 00:46:21 <TacticalJoke> Eww.  Google apps use toasts so much.
Oct 23 00:46:25 <tricknology__> then open op IntelliJ again and my project directory is wrecked
Oct 23 00:46:35 <TacticalJoke> I hate that calendar one: "Empty event not created"
Oct 23 00:47:13 <TacticalJoke> Play Movies & TV use a "Refreshing..." toast after clicking Refresh.
Oct 23 00:47:16 <TacticalJoke> Kinda ugly.
Oct 23 00:47:21 <TacticalJoke> uses*
Oct 23 00:51:07 <g00s> fuck yeah,rocket motors from kitty litter and sugar ! http://digg.com/video/making-a-rocket-with-sugar-and-kitty-litter
Oct 23 00:56:06 <tricknology__> anyone ever get this before? http://imgur.com/xwPhTb4
Oct 23 00:56:27 <tricknology__> I deleted the project and cloned from git again.. this is waht I got :/
Oct 23 00:56:33 <tricknology__> the files are on the disc
Oct 23 01:22:43 <ifmw> Hi, so Play Store on KitKat has all of the Lollipop animation niceties, but in the appcompat-v21 announcement I didn't see any mention of button touch animations on previous versions of Android. Is it included? If not can anyone point to libraries that backport those animations?
Oct 23 01:22:55 <barbs> man, proguard is such a pain
Oct 23 01:26:02 <TacticalJoke> I'm not getting a Material updated for Google Play.
Oct 23 01:30:01 <g00s> ifmw some of the nice animations require that render thread
Oct 23 01:30:05 <g00s> probably not
Oct 23 01:30:12 <g00s> barbs yeah, avoid if possible
Oct 23 01:31:52 <barbs> it's so annoying to configure correctly, especially if you're using lots of libraries...urgh
Oct 23 01:33:00 <lasserix_> besides using a handler/post is there any way i can animate a color fade to alpha for a rect on a canvas (for a custom view, but can't use animation on the view itself)?
Oct 23 01:34:37 <adriandroid> is there a solution for playing inline Live Video Stream in android, need it working  in WebView. Android 4.0+. HLS isn't playing nice across devices:< thanks
Oct 23 01:35:30 <ifmw> g00s: well google always used a lot of custom hacks in their apps to emulate platform features in older versions of android
Oct 23 01:37:39 <JacobTabak> ifmw the ripple effects haven't been forted as far as i know
Oct 23 01:37:43 <JacobTabak> ported*
Oct 23 01:39:28 <JacobTabak> lol, i find it kind of ironic that a base class can't instantiate a protected class in it's subclass
Oct 23 01:39:55 <JakeWharton> ripples aren't hard to port. the render thread just ensures performance
Oct 23 01:40:25 <Afzal> I can't even get RecyclerView to work with the older version, but now that barbs said something about proguard, maybe it's because of Proguard
Oct 23 01:41:15 <ifmw> JacobTabak: tbh nobody would want to reimplement everything from scratch without a library. Maybe they will make it into appcompat. Maybe someone else will clone them. I don't know
Oct 23 01:44:17 <g00s> Napalm are you here ?
Oct 23 01:49:36 <StingRay_> ifmw I have touch feedback and didn't need to do it off UI thread
Oct 23 01:51:48 <ifmw> StingRay_: ok
Oct 23 01:55:14 <JacobTabak> any built-in way to get okhttp's enqueued requests to callback on the same thread?
Oct 23 01:56:35 <JacobTabak> oh, i see why not
Oct 23 01:56:42 <JacobTabak> "Reading the response body may still block. "
Oct 23 01:56:42 <JakeWharton> no
Oct 23 01:56:48 <JakeWharton> right
Oct 23 01:59:51 <JacobTabak> that's pretty clever
Oct 23 01:59:54 <JacobTabak> i like it
Oct 23 02:12:44 <explodes> Dagger fans? I've never seen THIS error before: http://pastie.org/9669382
Oct 23 02:15:28 <explodes> homegrown.network.HomegrownService could not be bound with key homegrown.network.HomegrownService required by class homegrown.rx.refreshables.BaseServiceCachedRefreshable
Oct 23 02:21:19 <JakeWharton> Are you providing HomegrownService to the graph in a module?
Oct 23 02:23:01 <explodes> yea
Oct 23 02:23:31 <explodes> AppModule includes ServiceModule, my activity's ObjectGraph has AppModule
Oct 23 02:24:21 <explodes> Actually nevermind that is incorrect let me double check the hierarchy
Oct 23 02:25:14 <explodes> Yep I'm dumb
Oct 23 02:28:46 <explodes> no wait, ServiceModule "addsTo" AppModule...
Oct 23 02:30:50 <explodes> Oh, Dagger. You so confusin'
Oct 23 02:31:41 <JakeWharton> explodes: adds to is your responsibility
Oct 23 02:32:05 <JakeWharton> Do you have an instance of ServiceModule in the graph?
Oct 23 02:32:57 <explodes> Are you suggesting that if I use addsTo, I need to provide the instantiated module in the graph?
Oct 23 02:33:01 <explodes> let me double check
Oct 23 02:36:51 <explodes> When I explicitly add that module to the graph, I get the same error
Oct 23 02:43:52 <JakeWharton> Yes, that is what I'm saying
Oct 23 02:48:37 <explodes> But, since I have control over this entire graph I can use "includes" in the reverse direction and it will be automatic; addTo seems like it would be useful if you're adding to a 3rd-party module
Oct 23 02:52:45 <g00s> hm; i have no clue how to use RecyclerView with contextual action bar; batch / multi-select
Oct 23 02:58:18 <Napalm> hey g00s, whats up
Oct 23 02:59:22 <g00s> Napalm any rough ideas on how to use RecyclerView with contextual action bar ?
Oct 23 02:59:33 <Napalm> like every other view
Oct 23 02:59:44 <Napalm> startActionMode
Oct 23 02:59:59 <g00s> well, ok - but how about batch contextual actions ?
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