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Oct 24 03:09:13 <tricknology> import android.support.v7.app.ActionBarActivity;
Oct 24 03:10:21 <g00s> sprinke support on all the things
Oct 24 03:10:26 <g00s> *sprinkle
Oct 24 03:17:43 <g00s> when you use gradle dynamic versions ( 1.0.+ ) i think be default it only checks to see if something better exists every 24 h? is there a way to force it to check ?
Oct 24 03:17:47 <tricknology> Can you get android.util.Log messages through a test case?
Oct 24 03:18:12 <tricknology> ...because I am not seeing them
Oct 24 03:19:19 <g00s> boo rxjava release new release, didn't update CHANGES.md
Oct 24 03:19:32 <JacobTab_> g00s my bloggy is gonna be published s00n
Oct 24 03:19:41 <g00s> \o/
Oct 24 03:19:45 <JacobTab_> need u to review it !
Oct 24 03:20:09 <g00s> oh my
Oct 24 03:20:23 <g00s> i was just watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoxRwSNXXQ
Oct 24 03:20:38 <g00s> i think the NYT is using groovy in their App
Oct 24 03:20:45 <g00s> JacobTab_ let me know when its up !
Oct 24 03:20:54 <ajoul> hey
Oct 24 03:20:58 <JacobTab_> <5min
Oct 24 03:20:59 <ajoul> help a brother out
Oct 24 03:21:09 <ajoul> I have a list in android
Oct 24 03:21:14 <ajoul> and want to display some buttons below it
Oct 24 03:21:18 <ajoul> but the buttons get covered
Oct 24 03:21:21 <ajoul> by the xml
Oct 24 03:21:25 <ajoul> I mena by the lsit*
Oct 24 03:21:38 * g00s wonders why Google never asks me for Developer Story :(
Oct 24 03:22:13 <StingRay_> ajoul go read up on LinearLayout, FrameLayout, RelativeLayout and what a viewGroup is… that then should allow you to fix your prob…or come up with a solution yourself
Oct 24 03:22:43 <g00s> i mena by the isit too !
Oct 24 03:22:49 <ajoul> StingRay_: this is my XML please take a look at it
Oct 24 03:22:50 <ajoul> http://pastebin.com/2skYpKk6
Oct 24 03:22:52 <g00s> we *all* mena by the isit
Oct 24 03:23:12 <g00s> even StingRay_
Oct 24 03:23:28 <StingRay_> ajoul android:layout_height="wrap_content" not good for a listView
Oct 24 03:23:39 <g00s> not good - doesn't work
Oct 24 03:23:44 <StingRay_> ajoul since your parent is a linearLayout have a look at layout weight
Oct 24 03:23:48 <ajoul> StingRay_: what should I put
Oct 24 03:24:06 <ajoul> StingRay_: ok so if I keep the wrap_content height and put a weight of 0.7
Oct 24 03:24:11 <ajoul> it will be better
Oct 24 03:24:16 <StingRay_> go have a read
Oct 24 03:24:23 <StingRay_> you need to understand it a bit
Oct 24 03:24:43 <StingRay_> weight = fraction of remaining space after initial layout
Oct 24 03:25:00 <StingRay_> no fraction of screen :)
Oct 24 03:25:04 <StingRay_> not*
Oct 24 03:25:41 <ajoul> StingRay_: so weight of 1 will work?
Oct 24 03:26:14 <StingRay_> ugh…yes and match parent on the list
Oct 24 03:26:55 <StingRay_> as in height …but you should read rather than asking for absolutes … most of the time if someone gives you the answer it's not as effective as learning it when being pointed in the right direction
Oct 24 03:27:44 <StingRay_> ha…and scap listView and use recyclerView :)
Oct 24 03:28:32 * StingRay_ is gonna start to convert his way over complex listViews to this new view…for no other reason than learning…and it "could" be better….somehow :)
Oct 24 03:33:24 <JacobTab_> ok im officially a blogger g00s http://jacob.tabak.me/2014/10/a-fresh-look-at-retaining-state-persisting-retrofit-rxjava-observables-across-activityfragment-recreation/
Oct 24 03:35:54 <lasserix> Is there a better ds than nesting a hashmap three times?
Oct 24 03:36:18 <loke> DS?
Oct 24 03:37:29 <lasserix> data structure
Oct 24 03:37:53 <loke> lasserix: You have to explain what you're doing before anyone will be able to answer.
Oct 24 03:38:15 <lasserix> i have a 3 part hash
Oct 24 03:38:27 <lasserix> i need to be able to retrieve by each part
Oct 24 03:38:41 <lasserix> so like set a contains set b contains mapping of position - value
Oct 24 03:38:57 <g00s> why is AS turning into such a bloated pile of crap; this thing is taking 1.6 G mem
Oct 24 03:39:11 <g00s> i can fit 6 eclipses in that memory
Oct 24 03:39:19 <loke> g00s: no you can't
Oct 24 03:39:27 <g00s> loke like fuck i can
Oct 24 03:39:58 <g00s> allright, maybe 5
Oct 24 03:40:01 <loke> g00s: Not if you want it to do anything useful (arguably, Eclipse is utterly unable to do anything useful no matter how much memory you throw at it)
Oct 24 03:40:13 <g00s> not the way I set it up
Oct 24 03:41:02 <g00s> i could do everything in 450 mb memory; build all day long with ADT running
Oct 24 03:41:03 <loke> g00s: Well, go and use Eclipse then? (as for me, I prefer to use the full IntelliJ IDEA and even then, its memory usage is a few hundred MB)
Oct 24 03:41:21 <g00s> loke i'm just saying, AS is getting to be a pig
Oct 24 03:41:30 <g00s> and i dont care what you prefer :)
Oct 24 03:41:32 <smart1> hi, can i detect if android is in hotspotmode or not?
Oct 24 03:41:35 <chaosagent> an extremely awesome pig
Oct 24 03:42:06 <loke> g00s: Well, I have been using IDEA since version 3 (which was amazing), and even though they've now reaced version 14, it's still not as much of a hog as version 4. :-)
Oct 24 03:42:20 <loke> Version 4 was... well... you've never seen a hog until you saw that version
Oct 24 03:42:45 <loke> smart1: It's not
Oct 24 03:42:59 <loke> smart1: Android doesn't have hotspot. In android you have either Dalvik or ART
Oct 24 03:43:40 <smart1> loke, wifi hotspot. what are you talking about ^^
Oct 24 03:43:43 <g00s> JacobTab_ you may want to tweet this to @rxjava
Oct 24 03:43:50 <g00s> that will give you more feedback
Oct 24 03:44:04 <g00s> i'm not 100% if this is good
Oct 24 03:44:31 <g00s> JacobTab_ maybe see what JakeWharton thinks also
Oct 24 03:45:08 <smart1> so i mean can i detect if the device has opened an accespoint or if its connected to a wifi network
Oct 24 03:45:39 <loke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotSpot
Oct 24 03:46:04 <smart1> lol, nice. never heard about that :D
Oct 24 03:46:23 <loke> smart1: Exactly why do you want to check for this?
Oct 24 03:46:36 <loke> I have a hard time thinking of a situation where that would be useful
Oct 24 03:46:59 <Leeds> you should be able to find out if you're connected to a mobile hotspot, at least some of the time
Oct 24 03:47:00 <smart1> i'm developing and emergency network application for my thesis
Oct 24 03:47:08 <g00s> Leeds :D
Oct 24 03:47:39 <g00s> smart1 hope yours is unique; there are quite a few of those
Oct 24 03:48:05 <g00s> crowdsourcing signal, p2p, geolocation needs, etc
Oct 24 03:48:21 <loke> Leeds: Usually one wants to know if the user is connected to a network that has metering. There are unmetered (unlimited plans) mobile networks, and there are metered WLAN (for example, network sharing from a different phone). There is a special API that tells you whether the connection is metered or not.
Oct 24 03:48:39 <Leeds> when one Android device connects to another working as a hotspot, it identifies as such during the network config... and you can manually mark an AP as being a hotspot
Oct 24 03:48:43 <JakeWharton> I'll read in 15m
Oct 24 03:48:49 <JakeWharton> JacobTabak
Oct 24 03:49:21 <Leeds> just spent a few days in Japan with a rented hotspot - mostly worked very well :)
Oct 24 03:49:30 <g00s> JacobTab_ congrats on your first blog post , i enjoyed it :)
Oct 24 03:51:07 <lasserix> Theme.AppCompat.Light is supposed to have black background?
Oct 24 03:52:15 <smart1> there are not that many. i talk about disaster applications. the idea is to open a emergency application for this. for energy savings i have to control my devices network modes. and detect the one set. but i really got no hint in the api :( for energy cost sharing its important to swap ap modes between devices
Oct 24 03:53:50 <g00s> lasserix don't think so O.o
Oct 24 03:53:58 <g00s> mine is white
Oct 24 03:54:11 <lasserix> yeah
Oct 24 03:54:15 <lasserix> wasn't set in manifest
Oct 24 03:54:23 <lasserix> wow my drawing algorithm almost worked!
Oct 24 03:54:25 <lasserix> ;p
Oct 24 03:55:30 <g00s> so a tree of trees of trees
Oct 24 03:55:50 <lasserix> yea i have a hash that takes 3 arguements
Oct 24 03:55:57 <lasserix> i can parse the hash to get the three arguements
Oct 24 03:56:05 <lasserix> the three arguements correspond to each key, with a final value
Oct 24 03:56:27 <lasserix> well really i have never used triple nested hashmap before, so if it's not a problem to use then there is no worry
Oct 24 03:56:38 <g00s> its actually not so great
Oct 24 03:56:44 <g00s> (space wise)
Oct 24 03:56:57 <lasserix> fairly small values
Oct 24 03:57:22 <lasserix> first set contains 1-6, second contains 6-12, third contains 6 or 9
Oct 24 04:00:11 <g00s> could you make it single level, but 3-part key ?
Oct 24 04:00:19 <lasserix> it already is
Oct 24 04:00:23 <lasserix> but i have to iterate over them
Oct 24 04:00:51 <lasserix> ill work on it more
Oct 24 04:00:56 <lasserix> then i can show you the details
Oct 24 04:04:55 <Napalm> hey g00s
Oct 24 04:05:12 <g00s> hey Napalm
Oct 24 04:05:22 <Napalm> did you get my messages i left for you
Oct 24 04:07:05 <ZeroBeholder> So, I finally reloaded my laptop (Kubuntu 14.04, Ubuntu with KDE) and installed Eclipse Luna-- but it keeps crashing when I try to create a project from existing code. Anyone else affected? Solution found?
Oct 24 04:08:18 <smart1> ZeroBeholder, just an idea, what happens if you export and reimpoert a project created with luna
Oct 24 04:08:45 <ZeroBeholder> I'll give it a go.
Oct 24 04:10:10 <ZeroBeholder> Locked up in the new project dialog/wizard.
Oct 24 04:11:02 <ZeroBeholder> Crashed before I could get to the 'taking too long wanna terminate?' screen.
Oct 24 04:11:27 <g00s> ZeroBeholder what jvm ? oracle ?
Oct 24 04:11:29 <ZeroBeholder> Tried OpenJDK & Java 6-8
Oct 24 04:11:40 <ZeroBeholder> Was just typing that.
Oct 24 04:12:02 <ZeroBeholder> Oracle Java 6-8...
Oct 24 04:12:30 <g00s> i don't know if they support 8, but i guess its easy to find out. no harm in using 7
Oct 24 04:12:45 <ZeroBeholder> All four are installed. But only one at a time is set as the system default and gets used. I have tried all four.
Oct 24 04:12:48 <g00s> ZeroBeholder also check eclipse's logs
Oct 24 04:13:01 <ZeroBeholder> Ooooh, good idea. I feel silly now.
Oct 24 04:14:00 <ZeroBeholder> Where are those?
Oct 24 04:14:15 <ZeroBeholder> I don't see anything in /etc/log or in the folder where I have the binary.
Oct 24 04:14:30 <g00s> probably your workspace
Oct 24 04:14:40 <g00s> a dir  like .eclipse or something
Oct 24 04:14:53 <g00s> i haven't used it in about 2 years, sorry
Oct 24 04:15:24 <g00s> if ADT was still being actively developed like AS, with 1st class gradle support, i'd be using eclipse now
Oct 24 04:15:29 <g00s> but i wnated to use gradle
Oct 24 04:17:02 <ZeroBeholder> Maybe I'll take this opportunity to ask about alternative IDEs. Possibly there is better now...
Oct 24 04:17:23 <ZeroBeholder> Been out of the mobile dev arena for about a year and a half.
Oct 24 04:17:31 <g00s> the only alternatives are Android Studio and Intellij
Oct 24 04:17:31 <Leeds> there is no need for alternatives
Oct 24 04:17:35 <Leeds> there is only vim.
Oct 24 04:17:43 <g00s> and there is only leeds using vim :D
Oct 24 04:17:44 <ZeroBeholder> yy!
Oct 24 04:17:45 <capella> "There is only XUL"
Oct 24 04:17:58 <Leeds> are you the gradlekeeper?
Oct 24 04:18:00 <g00s> the One using the One
Oct 24 04:18:08 <g00s> gravekeeper
Oct 24 04:18:13 <ZeroBeholder> the bang was only for emphasis...
Oct 24 04:18:38 <g00s> Leeds emacs 24.4 came out, nows a good time to switch !
Oct 24 04:18:47 <Leeds> I am using the One... E8
Oct 24 04:19:09 <Leeds> or as they call it in Chinese - E-bah
Oct 24 04:19:21 <g00s> E-bah ?
Oct 24 04:19:30 <g00s> E-bay ?
Oct 24 04:19:43 <ZeroBeholder> taobao.com ?
Oct 24 04:19:48 <ZeroBeholder> (chinese ebay)
Oct 24 04:20:02 <Leeds> it's not really ebay
Oct 24 04:20:11 <ZeroBeholder> Yeah, I know.
Oct 24 04:20:34 <ZeroBeholder> But, weird/neat still. I buy stuff off of it every once in a while.
Oct 24 04:20:41 <Leeds> my gf gets about 1 shipment a week from there
Oct 24 04:21:06 <Leeds> latest thing, today, 8 pairs of glassless glasses
Oct 24 04:21:13 <Leeds> to go with the 8 or so pairs she already has...
Oct 24 04:22:07 <ZeroBeholder> That made me chuckle. Thanks for the heads up. Going to not even worry about Eclipse and see if Android Studio (since it is going to be the official IDE) will run.
Oct 24 04:22:30 <Leeds> I'm a little surprised they haven't reached a 1.0 for AS yet
Oct 24 04:23:05 <ZeroBeholder> Uh, what does someone do with glasses without lenses?
Oct 24 04:23:17 <loke> ZeroBeholder: I don't know. You see a lot of it in asia
Oct 24 04:23:27 <loke> I've seen it in both korea and singpaore
Oct 24 04:23:38 <g00s> Leeds glassless glasses ? what is that ?
Oct 24 04:23:44 <Leeds> they're a fashion thing... I thought it was pretty dumb, but to be honest they quite suit her
Oct 24 04:23:58 <ZeroBeholder> Oh. Trendy stuff, I wouldn't really know about that.
Oct 24 04:24:52 <ZeroBeholder> If it works for you, I'm not going to knock it.
Oct 24 04:25:11 <Leeds> I think she's only paying a couple of US$ for each pair
Oct 24 04:25:58 <g00s> Leeds so, are they glasses with no optical changes - but they still have glass ?
Oct 24 04:26:16 <g00s> they aren't just rims :)
Oct 24 04:26:25 <Leeds> I think it's a case of being able to wear contacts for optical correction, but having a choice of lots of styles of glasses without needing proper lenses...
Oct 24 04:26:29 <Leeds> g00s: nope, glassless
Oct 24 04:28:47 <Leeds> http://goo.gl/7JLebj
Oct 24 04:29:30 <g00s> Leeds they still have lenses , though
Oct 24 04:29:41 <Leeds> g00s: only the sunglasses there do
Oct 24 04:29:49 <g00s> huh
Oct 24 04:30:31 <g00s> the one on the right looks like the glasses for mr potato head
Oct 24 04:30:51 <loke> http://blogs.wsj.com/runway/2011/11/18/glassless-glasses-hit-hong-kong/
Oct 24 04:30:56 <loke> Hong Kong too, it seems
Oct 24 04:31:25 <explodes> My activity puts a fragment into view when a nav item is clicked on the drawer, but the fragment doesn't appear
Oct 24 04:31:33 <loke> Did the fad reach outside asia yet?
Oct 24 04:31:41 <Leeds> if you reload that photo, you should be able to go to photo 39 in the album now - proof of no lenses :)
Oct 24 04:31:45 <explodes> the code i'm making the transaction with is standard so i dont think that's the issue really
Oct 24 04:32:09 <g00s> Leeds haha
Oct 24 04:32:20 <explodes> but the FrameLayout that will hold the fragment has a background set to #f00 (red) and i don't see any red
Oct 24 04:32:30 <g00s> thats crazy. i think they should at least have UV blocking properties
Oct 24 04:32:42 <Leeds> purely fashion frames
Oct 24 04:32:45 <g00s> even if clear
Oct 24 04:33:11 <Leeds> as I say, I thought they were dumb fashion, but actually the do look good on my gf, so they're ok with me
Oct 24 04:33:34 * loke just remembered his daughter has a pair of those. How could I forget that (we bought them at Hello Kitty Land a few months ago)
Oct 24 04:33:46 <Leeds> Hello Kitty Land next to Legoland?
Oct 24 04:33:50 <loke> Leeds: yep
Oct 24 04:34:00 <Leeds> we went to Legoland a few months ago :)
Oct 24 04:34:00 <loke> Leeds: you been there?
Oct 24 04:34:09 <loke> ah, bot not HKland?
Oct 24 04:34:16 <Leeds> I managed to resist HKland
Oct 24 04:34:19 <loke> well you live in HK :-)
Oct 24 04:34:31 <Leeds> the land of HK, indeed
Oct 24 04:34:33 <loke> Leeds: Actually, to be fair. HKland isn't bad
Oct 24 04:34:49 <Leeds> Legoland was ok, did it as a day trip from SG
Oct 24 04:34:54 <loke> the third floor is a quite large indoor amuselemnt park
Oct 24 04:36:48 <explodes> :U
Oct 24 04:37:18 <Leeds> we were in Okinawa this week, trying to book a quick trip to Osaka for January right now :) going to .au in Feb, got 1/2 a day in SG on the way, just long enough for crab...
Oct 24 04:37:34 <Leeds> explodes: sorry, nothing personal... I've managed to go this long without dealing with fragments, so I can't really help
Oct 24 04:41:27 <Eulipion> anyone know how to fix '04:09:02.098 [ERROR] [org.gradle.BuildExceptionReporter] > Could not create plugin of type 'AppPlugin'.' ?
Oct 24 04:42:04 <Eulipion> i can't seem to figure out how a gradle version and com.android.tools.build:gradle:0.13.0 versions are related in any way
Oct 24 04:45:14 * loke doesn't even know what gradle is. What problem does it solve?
Oct 24 04:45:29 * loke relies on the build system in IDEA
Oct 24 04:46:04 <pfn> gradle is the toold
Oct 24 04:46:23 <bankai_au> Leeds: i'm going to osaka in jan too :)
Oct 24 04:46:45 <Leeds> bankai_au: cool... any particular reason?
Oct 24 04:47:15 <bankai_au> i used to live in osaka, so i'm visiting friends. then heading to tokyo, then nagano for snowboarding
Oct 24 04:47:20 <Leeds> sweet
Oct 24 04:47:42 <g00s> bankai_au awesome
Oct 24 04:47:45 <Leeds> we did Tokyo/Nagano/Kyoto a couple of years ago, then Kyoto/Osaka last year, Okinawa this year :)
Oct 24 04:47:56 <bankai_au> lots of yanks in okinawa i hear
Oct 24 04:48:12 <loke> bankai_au: especially now, or always?
Oct 24 04:48:26 <bankai_au> there's an army base there isn't there?
Oct 24 04:48:26 <Leeds> mostly on base nowadays - they're not so popular locally
Oct 24 04:48:40 <Leeds> Air Force rather than Army, I think - something like 40,000 troops there
Oct 24 04:49:04 <loke> 40k? Wow... And I feel Singapore is invaded when a single ship stops in port.
Oct 24 04:49:10 <bankai_au> i applied for a job there a few years ago, but turned it down coz they made it sound like a little american town haha
Oct 24 04:50:04 * loke visited the American Club in Singapore. That was very bizarre
Oct 24 04:52:00 <pfn> nice sounding trip
Oct 24 04:52:42 <pfn> I enjoyed my few days in Japan this summer
Oct 24 04:53:42 <Leeds> great place to travel - and we get some pretty cheap flights nowadays
Oct 24 04:54:28 <Leeds> if I can actually book this one - the airline site is overloaded because they're running a sale - it'll be US$310 for 2 of us, with 1 bag, including taxes and whatnot
Oct 24 04:54:40 <bankai_au> wow!
Oct 24 04:54:57 <bankai_au> who's that through?
Oct 24 04:54:59 <Leeds> except... booking failed, now showing a much higher price
Oct 24 04:55:02 <loke> Leeds: which site are you using?
Oct 24 04:55:18 <Leeds> HK Express, regional/low-cost carrier
Oct 24 04:55:23 <pfn> considering you're injjj
Oct 24 04:55:26 <pfn> hk
Oct 24 04:55:29 <pfn> it
Oct 24 04:55:32 <Leeds> might have missed it :(
Oct 24 04:55:35 <bankai_au> you could basically walk there
Oct 24 04:56:08 <Leeds> only a couple of hours to Okinawa - a bit further to Osaka/Tokyo
Oct 24 04:57:01 <pfn> its 1400 rt from sjc
Oct 24 04:57:38 <Leeds> er... sjc?
Oct 24 04:58:25 <g00s> suth jersey city
Oct 24 04:58:30 <g00s> *south
Oct 24 04:59:38 <Leeds> that's between England and France, right?
Oct 24 05:02:08 <g00s> Leeds closer to the Shire
Oct 24 05:02:59 <Leeds> I'm confused
Oct 24 05:03:17 <g00s> so Leeds whats next, patchless eye patches ?
Oct 24 05:04:13 <loke> g00s: Crotchless thongs
Oct 24 05:04:28 <g00s> yeowza
Oct 24 05:07:50 <Leeds> like... flip-flops?
Oct 24 05:08:39 <loke> How about an Android question? How do you create one of those titlebar-like thins that scroll out of the way when you scroll down but appear when you scroll up? Like the address bar in Chrome or the menu bar in the G+ application?
Oct 24 05:09:10 <g00s> those things drive me nuts
Oct 24 05:09:11 <loke> What are those called?
Oct 24 05:09:53 <StingRay_> a view  :)
Oct 24 05:10:23 <StingRay_> but I think you mean what moves the views out of the way, as in mode or condition etc
Oct 24 05:10:38 <loke> Hmm, ok
Oct 24 05:11:01 <loke> and related, the gmail application's top bar has that little shadow thing on the bottom
Oct 24 05:11:05 <StingRay_> so you can have immersive modes that do that…you can make your own views do that by listening to it
Oct 24 05:11:23 <StingRay_> as in the current view mode state of the main bars etc…
Oct 24 05:11:36 <loke> the botom has a grey line a few pixels high, and then the scroll view underneath are fading out like a shdow. how is that done?
Oct 24 05:12:01 <Leeds> isn't that material's z-axis?
Oct 24 05:12:54 <loke> Leeds: I have no idea. I'll try
Oct 24 05:13:14 <loke> and the grey line is just an empty blank view or something?
Oct 24 05:13:32 <JakeWharton> it also might be the window content overlay on the theme
Oct 24 05:13:46 <JakeWharton> it's a 9-patch which sits on top of the framelayout that the content is inflated into under the action bar
Oct 24 05:14:19 <ZeroBeholder> I thoroughly apologize for hijacking the channel by mentioning taobao. But, I like where this is going with the crotchless panties...
Oct 24 05:57:44 <g00s> https://medium.com/@joshliptzin/this-is-how-google-kills-your-app-c1abad30eb25
Oct 24 06:02:02 <andreyrd> Love the last line
Oct 24 06:02:05 <andreyrd> Shit like this makes me want to switch to iOS :p
Oct 24 06:02:13 <andreyrd> They actually have humans doing the reviewing
Oct 24 06:02:35 <g00s> ya, i think their approval process can be a hassle, but they dont permaban you unless you *really* fuck up
Oct 24 06:02:42 <Leeds> as I said t'other day... they should have an active and more manual process for *mistakes* than for obvious flagrant violations
Oct 24 06:02:42 <g00s> and retroactive removals are kinda rare(er) too
Oct 24 06:02:47 <g00s> Leeds yeah
Oct 24 06:02:54 <g00s> at the end of the day, they are both walled gardens
Oct 24 06:03:02 <g00s> one won't let you in, the other - gardener thinks everything is a weed
Oct 24 06:03:03 <andreyrd> They're both CYA
Oct 24 06:03:10 <andreyrd> Google is just really lazy about it
Oct 24 06:03:39 <g00s> andreyrd its kinda interesting been a dev since 2010, seeing how google has changed
Oct 24 06:03:42 <g00s> android dev that is
Oct 24 06:03:54 <Leeds> Google have just moved much much more to the *telling* developers the way it is, rather than communicating
Oct 24 06:03:58 <g00s> in te beginning they seemed more personal, more outreach, they needed community
Oct 24 06:04:25 <g00s> now, they have what they need (maybe even too much) and don't seem to give a damn
Oct 24 06:04:38 <g00s> Leeds right
Oct 24 06:05:04 <Leeds> you could even link in their wholesale abandonment of these IRC channels, if you fancied :)
Oct 24 06:05:44 <g00s> yeah, i seriously wonder what exactly google developer advocates do
Oct 24 06:06:09 <capella> go developer !
Oct 24 06:06:25 <capella> er, "go *google developer*"
Oct 24 06:06:55 <g00s> *smite*
Oct 24 06:06:56 <Napalm> I just emailed that to my advocate
Oct 24 06:08:57 <Leeds> g00s: try to get big companies not to go iOS first, I think
Oct 24 06:10:23 <g00s> Leeds oh yeah, that pisses me off on the Apple side - they want excusitivity also. I read a few times if an android port was taken, they would lose (on iTunes) editors' choice or some high placement
Oct 24 06:10:27 <Leeds> presumably only in the US, since that's where Google puts their effort
Oct 24 06:10:55 <g00s> all these companies are the same
Oct 24 06:11:22 <g00s> come on man, why can't i have a good ubuntu touch phoneeee plleeeeeez
Oct 24 06:11:23 <Leeds> s/good//
Oct 24 06:11:28 <Leeds> g00s: did you put your money down for the Edge, huh?
Oct 24 06:16:46 <g00s> Leeds i'm sure if it runs vim you'll like it ;)
Oct 24 06:16:56 <Leeds> meh
Oct 24 06:17:05 <g00s> nah - i got a $69 lumia 521 , that was my splurge
Oct 24 06:17:06 <g00s> i still love that thing
Oct 24 06:17:26 <andreyrd> I don't like Ubuntu in general :S
Oct 24 06:17:31 <g00s> yeah, their reputation in the linux community has defnitely changed in the 10 years
Oct 24 06:17:34 <andreyrd> I think they really shot themselves in the foot with the ads thing
Oct 24 06:19:41 <g00s> firefox was doing something there too
Oct 24 06:19:42 <andreyrd> Man, I think I'm slowly becoming an apple fanboy ;_;
Oct 24 06:19:42 <andreyrd> I did hackintosh and now I can't use anything other than OSX :p
Oct 24 06:19:42 <Leeds> I used a mac for a while, years ago - went back to Linux to get stuff done
Oct 24 06:19:42 <g00s> Leeds mac runs vim too :)
Oct 24 06:19:42 * g00s pretty sure Leeds balances checkbook in vim
Oct 24 06:19:42 <g00s> in octal
Oct 24 06:19:42 <andreyrd> If Linux got better multi touch support I'd be all over it
Oct 24 06:19:43 <Leeds> a whatbook?
Oct 24 06:19:50 <andreyrd> I love the three finger swipes for Spaces
Oct 24 06:19:52 <Leeds> g00s: it's the 21st century - I know the US is behind, but nobody in the real world has balances a chequebook in decades
Oct 24 06:19:53 <andreyrd> Lol
Oct 24 06:19:58 <g00s> heh, yeah
Oct 24 06:19:58 * andreyrd has a budget spreadsheet
Oct 24 06:20:00 <andreyrd> I want to convert it to an app
Oct 24 06:20:18 * capella started coding on an octal machine
Oct 24 06:20:38 <capella> Oh, g00s and I had this discussion before :P
Oct 24 06:20:46 <Leeds> I lost my local chequebook years ago... no idea where it is, haven't needed it
Oct 24 06:23:24 <g00s> i think so capella ...
Oct 24 06:25:56 <Napalm> g00s
Oct 24 06:33:32 <gordon_> is android's gradle plugin roadmap somewhere ?
Oct 24 06:33:33 <gordon_> found only this http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/roadmap
Oct 24 07:18:09 <surf2b1> StingRay_: Got it working with some reflection
Oct 24 07:38:55 <adkins> hi, is it possible to set the language of an app to english (via set locale)  but getting the current location/position from locationManager.network_provider in german? because my app lets the user select between these two languages but i would like to get the location names in the language of the country i`m currently in
Oct 24 07:41:18 * capella just special-case repaired a bug to the point where I wished I'd just accepted living with the bug
Oct 24 07:42:29 <capella> . o O ( think I'll just WONTFIX the dang thing :/ )
Oct 24 07:42:30 <VnM> :D
Oct 24 08:28:28 <lemonxah> wrote my own control that has an adapater backing the views
Oct 24 08:28:37 <lemonxah> extended from viewgroup
Oct 24 08:29:07 <lemonxah> but when ever i call onDataSetChanged() all touch events on my view doesn't work
Oct 24 08:32:11 <ravilov> cool story bro
Oct 24 08:37:12 * StingRay_ questions ravilov perception of what is cool 
Oct 24 08:41:08 <ravilov> StingRay_, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cool%20story%20bro
Oct 24 08:41:32 <StingRay_> fkin urban dics
Oct 24 08:41:42 <StingRay_> even more nonsense to learn :)
Oct 24 08:42:01 <ravilov> you no like urban dicks? :p
Oct 24 08:48:22 <VnM> Oh you guys
Oct 24 09:20:19 <Mrdarknezz> Anyone here having problems with Google Maps fragment causing OOM Errors?
Oct 24 09:28:32 <Zharf> no, but I've noted google maps causing a lot of GC triggers in my recent testing
Oct 24 09:35:29 <sdousley> Hey, does anyone have much experience with displaying JSON data back in a ListView?
Oct 24 09:38:55 <danijoo> I want to create an animated ImageView via animation-list xml. Is it possible to do that with a sprite sheet instead of having multiple pngs?
Oct 24 09:39:38 <danijoo> I cant find a way to tell animateion-list items to only use a part of the image provides
Oct 24 09:39:44 <danijoo> provided
Oct 24 09:40:01 <kar> my VPN tunnel sometimes uses the IP address I set by VPNService.Builder, but most often than not it uses the IP my device got from DHCP before establishing tunnel. Why is that? How to always make it respect IP address settings?
Oct 24 09:48:10 <marrrk> Is the Toolbar to be used with tabs?
Oct 24 09:48:31 <marrrk> I mean if I want tabbed navigation is it a good idea to put them in the toolbar?
Oct 24 09:49:26 <danijoo> marrrk: they completly removed tabs in 5.0
Oct 24 09:50:05 <loke> The top bar in the G+ application and Gmail, are they actionbars?
Oct 24 09:50:59 <danijoo> marrrk: they want you to create your own tabs with horizontalscrollview or whatever you want..
Oct 24 09:51:13 <marrrk> I see
Oct 24 09:51:19 <marrrk> I was actually just considering doing this now
Oct 24 09:51:24 <marrrk> Good!
Oct 24 09:51:41 <marrrk> Should that go into the toolbar thougH?
Oct 24 09:51:47 <danijoo> if you give me a second ill give you the official post of a google guy about what he considers being the best way to implement it
Oct 24 09:52:26 <marrrk> Yeah, that sounds like a good idea so I can do the exact opposite :D
Oct 24 09:52:49 <danijoo> there you go https://plus.google.com/+ChrisBanes/posts/ZqVBYudxvFv
Oct 24 09:54:01 <danijoo> and this is the example he is talking about: https://developer.android.com/samples/SlidingTabsBasic/project.html
Oct 24 09:54:40 <danijoo> basically a horizontalscrollview with textviews in it, and the sliding state is set by clicking on that texts
Oct 24 09:56:02 <marrrk> I don't want it to slide anyways so I should be fine doing it meself.
Oct 24 09:56:54 <danijoo> im pretty sure it wont take long for someone releasing a library which is exactly what old tabs were ^^
Oct 24 09:58:31 <danijoo> someone should fix his irc node..
Oct 24 10:01:05 <mva> Hello there!
Oct 24 10:01:30 <mva> can you advice me, how can I use conscrypt classes in my app?
Oct 24 10:02:04 <gdrc> Why does if I select my app from multitasking it resumes correctly and when I select from navigation drawer it starts from first activity?
Oct 24 10:02:10 <mva> when I trying to import it, and says hat there is no such package...
Oct 24 10:03:57 <danijoo> mva seems that you didnt add the depency correctly
Oct 24 10:04:09 <gdrc> ehm, app drawer not navigation drawer lol
Oct 24 10:05:31 <ultra-> i can’t get my app to use immersive mode… here are my flags: http://pastebin.com/UM3cE3jq
Oct 24 10:05:47 <ultra-> i set my target to 4.4 and my nexus 7 has been upgraded to 4.4, so i don’t get why this doesn’t work
Oct 24 10:08:31 <DeastinY> hi all
Oct 24 10:09:36 <mva> danijoo: can you advice me about proper way of adding it? :)
Oct 24 10:09:50 <danijoo> i never used that library, sorry mva :/
Oct 24 10:10:02 <danijoo> is is a gradle source, a jar, or how do you add it?
Oct 24 10:10:08 <DeastinY> When I implement an activity-filter to provide a view action for a filetype everyuthing works fine. But filemanagers like Astro sometimes "open my application inside theirs" as some kind of overlay. I was wondering what this feature(?) or approach might be called. Thanks for reading through :)
Oct 24 10:12:11 <mva> btw, to prevent XY-problem syndrome: my main problem is that I'm using java.security.interfaces.RSA* + java.security.PrivateKey; And I'm casting PrivateKey to RSAPrivateCrtKey. It worked fine before Android 4.4.2, but now it throws > java.lang.ClassCastException: com.android.org.conscrypt.OpenSSLRSAPrivateKey cannot be cast to java.security.interfaces.RSAPrivateCrtKey
Oct 24 10:12:44 <mva> So I decided to redo that with conscrypt.OpenSSLRSA*
Oct 24 10:14:09 <mva> but can't google enough documentation on that. And when I just trying to import org.conscrypt.<classes> or com.angroid.org.conscrypt.<classes>, and trying to build it with ant — I get javac errors that it is no such package
Oct 24 10:14:50 <mva> while it IS org.conscrypt in $ANDROID_HOME/sources/<target_name>/org/conscrypt
Oct 24 10:15:14 <mva> at least, it is for android-19 and android-21 (and I'm building for android-19)
Oct 24 10:18:37 <roxdragon> hi guys.. i have hide the action bar... with:  requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE); 	    getWindow().setFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN, WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN); 		
Oct 24 10:18:53 <roxdragon> if i want show the actionbar?
Oct 24 10:19:03 <mcmaur_> Hey guys could someone please help me? It's more than 10 days that I'm stuck. here: http://goo.gl/TcW95D
Oct 24 10:29:27 <ultra-> does it make sense that i should have to put the immersive mode flags on onResume? i was putting them in onCreate before and it didn’t work
Oct 24 10:29:36 <ultra-> it’s working now, but i want to make sure that’s right
Oct 24 10:29:57 <danijoo> if it works,its right :)
Oct 24 10:30:44 <ultra-> haha i’ve been told the opposite so many times that i just ask now
Oct 24 10:30:50 <ultra-> that was always my way of looking at it
Oct 24 10:31:26 <ultra-> so here’s another question then, since that’s how you look at it… all my layouts are done manually (graphics, everything is drawn)… it’s ok to call .layout on a view?
Oct 24 10:31:47 <ultra-> from my parent view’s onLayout, i use the dimensions to layout the child views
Oct 24 10:32:53 <mva> :/
Oct 24 10:32:58 <danijoo> if it works :p
Oct 24 10:33:13 <danijoo> its my paradim to everything related to programming
Oct 24 11:08:00 <danijoo> will there really be a drawable-xxxhdpi folder for nexus 6?
Oct 24 11:08:25 <danijoo> wondering how far this will go... nexus 6 (2017) drawable-xxxxxhdpi?
Oct 24 11:09:07 <Memorion> http://android-developers.blogspot.de/2014/10/getting-your-apps-ready-for-nexus-6-and.html
Oct 24 11:09:33 <danijoo> retoric question :)
Oct 24 11:10:54 <monsti> danijoo: vhdpi ... xvhdpi ... xxvhdpi <- the M$ style ;)
Oct 24 11:11:01 <danijoo> ^^
Oct 24 11:11:22 <monsti> remember? win 10 will be the new, new, new, new, new, new, new technology ;)
Oct 24 11:11:39 <beo6> are you all creating all these images by hand or do you create them automatically for every resolution?
Oct 24 11:11:58 <danijoo> depends
Oct 24 11:12:10 <danijoo> i often only include one of them
Oct 24 11:12:36 <danijoo> for thinks like 9.png elements its often pointless to provides them in 10 different resolutions
Oct 24 11:12:40 <monsti> beo6: i have eastern pixel slaves - they are cheap
Oct 24 11:13:25 <monsti> it took me some weeks to teach them "make it like this - with content like this"...
Oct 24 11:13:27 <beo6> monsti: probably named "photoshop action" ?
Oct 24 11:13:42 <monsti> no stanislav and victor ;)
Oct 24 11:14:01 <beo6> ah. vector. ;)
Oct 24 11:14:58 <monsti> the guys are great - but it was hard trial & error teaching them 9 patch
Oct 24 11:16:03 <beo6> 9 patch?
Oct 24 11:16:13 <monsti> 9.pngs
Oct 24 11:16:33 <beo6> ah yes
Oct 24 11:16:57 <monsti> also a never ending story is "how to use correct names for images" ;)
Oct 24 11:17:20 <monsti> one day i will add a svn trigger script and reject their checkins ;)
Oct 24 11:18:08 <monsti> "StuPid Window's n#ame.PnG" ;)
Oct 24 11:19:42 <beo6> as long as the name is a valid filename in windows
Oct 24 11:20:00 <icedp> I'm right that screenOrientation="nosensor" would result in portrait mode on phones and landscape mode on tablets?
Oct 24 11:20:56 <VnM> Yeah icedp .. ish, it sets it to the default device orientation, but for some small tablets, like the Nexus 7 the default orientation is portrait
Oct 24 11:21:40 <VnM> So there are some outliers, but generally it's portrait for mobile devices and landscape for tablets
Oct 24 11:21:50 <VnM> When using "nosensor"
Oct 24 11:22:20 <icedp> thanks VnM
Oct 24 11:25:12 <danijoo> Wouldnt call it "outliner"
Oct 24 11:25:22 <danijoo> I think its just portrait for everything > 7"
Oct 24 11:30:18 <osxorgate> i hacve a class extending mapfragment, which i add a popup window to (to the view hierarchy).  setRetainInstance(true) is called.  When the orientation changes I still have a handle to the popup, but it belongs to the old viewhierarchy. Is it a good idea to do this, and add it to the new hierarchy? Or am i leaking memory or something
Oct 24 11:30:36 <VnM> Not sure, but N7 is a tablet, and it's default orientation isn't landscape so in that aspect it's an outlier
Oct 24 11:40:25 <monsti> is there any CardView sample?
Oct 24 11:40:31 <monsti> or an api demo for L?
Oct 24 11:41:12 <cezium> monsti: its a framelayout with minimal makeup
Oct 24 11:48:52 <cliffreich> anyone using fabric yet
Oct 24 11:50:09 <roxdragon> guys i use: getWindow().addFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN);         getActionBar().hide();
Oct 24 11:50:16 <roxdragon> for switch in fullscreen
Oct 24 11:50:56 <roxdragon> but if i want return at normal mode...?
Oct 24 11:51:00 <roxdragon> if i use getWindow().addFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FORCE_NOT_FULLSCREEN); 			        getActionBar().show();
Oct 24 11:51:38 <MEmery> Why not use getwindow().clearflags?
Oct 24 11:52:12 <roxdragon> for return in normal mode (?)
Oct 24 11:52:51 <MEmery> Yes, getWindow().clearFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN);
Oct 24 11:52:52 <MEmery> Try that?
Oct 24 11:54:53 <roxdragon> thank youuuuuuu
Oct 24 11:55:57 <cliffreich> i wonder if you can use fabric twitter api with dynamic content and load more than regular api. as its twitters new baby
Oct 24 12:10:33 <Syzygy_> Does the Maps v2 API require a key even for debug builds?
Oct 24 12:21:13 <Chainfire> Android docs, Material: custom color accent like so: <item name="android:colorAccent">@color/accent</item>. However, I want to access the uncustomized color accent: <color name="mycolor">?????</color>. What do I put in place of ????? nothing I've tried worked
Oct 24 12:25:43 <aaearon> Syzygy_  yes
Oct 24 12:25:57 <icedp> Chainfire: hex value?
Oct 24 12:26:56 <olologin> Guys, can i close db when using cursor? I mean can i use cursor when it's db closed?
Oct 24 12:27:29 <mcmaur_> Hey guys could someone please help me? It's more than 10 days that I'm stuck. here: http://goo.gl/TcW95D
Oct 24 12:28:50 <Chainfire> icedp I dont want to hardcode
Oct 24 12:28:59 <Syzygy_> aaearon, do I use the same API key that I generate for a signed release build for my unsigned debug build?
Oct 24 12:29:22 <Chainfire> I can use it from layouts as ?android:attr/colorAccent though, but since it changes between API levels, I want reference I can change
Oct 24 12:29:59 <aaearon> yes you still need to add the SHA1 hash of the debug.keystore
Oct 24 12:33:23 <Zharf> trying to send commands to android emulator with telnet but whatever I give it instantly closes the telnet connection... any clues on what's happening? -.-
Oct 24 12:33:50 <Zharf> android monitor is also unable to send text messages and stuff to the emulator
Oct 24 12:34:28 <ravilov> Zharf, "help" should help
Oct 24 12:34:38 <Zharf> ravilov, nope, it disconnects immediately as well
Oct 24 12:34:53 <monsti> it's not connected
Oct 24 12:34:59 <monsti> of you have some firewall issue
Oct 24 12:35:14 <Zharf> it does give me the android prompt which says 'help' for commands and "OK"
Oct 24 12:35:33 <ravilov> Zharf, http://pastebin.com/hr0Wdh1g
Oct 24 12:37:11 <Zharf> ravilov, nope, I only get lines 1-6, whatever command I give it just disconnects
Oct 24 12:37:15 <ravilov> not quite sure what service is that on the emulator, or how it can even be disabled
Oct 24 12:37:28 <Zharf> this is also a freshly created android 5 emulator
Oct 24 12:37:37 <ravilov> oh lord
Oct 24 12:38:04 <ravilov> seriously, I've only ever heard of problems regarding the newest SDK
Oct 24 12:38:15 <Zharf> :)
Oct 24 12:38:24 <ravilov> already decided I'm not going to upgrade for now, everything I've heard so far only fortifies that decision
Oct 24 12:39:01 <Zharf> I generally don't give a crap about the emulator, but I was curious
Oct 24 12:39:15 <Zharf> I do have android L preview running on nexus 5 and it's horrible
Oct 24 12:39:28 <ravilov> there you go
Oct 24 12:39:39 <Zharf> but that's not why I was curious
Oct 24 12:39:46 <Zharf> I wanted to try the telnet stuff :p
Oct 24 12:39:56 <ravilov> I can't help but laugh everytime I see someone sway at L
Oct 24 12:40:08 <ravilov> yeah I guess you're better off with an older emulator for that :p
Oct 24 12:40:15 <Zharf> guess so
Oct 24 12:42:36 <Zharf> except telnet doesn't work on that either
Oct 24 12:42:46 <Zharf> apparently it says KO: forbidden binary request. Aborting
Oct 24 12:43:49 <jooles> It sounds angry...
Oct 24 12:44:03 <ravilov> lemme guess,windows?
Oct 24 12:44:24 <Zharf> sure
Oct 24 12:45:05 <ravilov> well it either is or isn't
Oct 24 12:45:21 <Zharf> ? -.-
Oct 24 12:46:40 <Zharf> https://github.com/android/platform_external_qemu/blob/master/android/console.c#L424  puzzling...
Oct 24 12:47:08 <ravilov> that's what I was getting too
Oct 24 12:47:29 <ravilov> something about invalid input
Oct 24 12:48:42 <ravilov> if you're really that curious and have enough spare time, you can always make a virtualbox VM with a *real* OS inside and try it there, as I'm pretty sure it has something to do with your OS or your settings
Oct 24 12:49:45 <Zharf> I wouldn't be so sure
Oct 24 12:49:50 <Zharf> I do have linux machines around
Oct 24 12:49:56 <Zharf> and I wouldn't call it a real OS either
Oct 24 12:50:00 <Zharf> there isn't a real OS in the world
Oct 24 12:50:03 <Zharf> they're all bunch of crap
Oct 24 12:50:22 <Zharf> I'm using putty as my telnet application though
Oct 24 12:50:43 <ravilov> dunno, for me linux does everything I throw at it and does it well, don't have any complaints as of yet
Oct 24 12:50:50 <ravilov> unlike any other OS I've tried
Oct 24 12:50:58 <ravilov> oh lord
Oct 24 12:51:02 <ravilov> you're not helping your case
Oct 24 12:51:02 <Zharf> it's personal, for sure :p
Oct 24 12:51:11 <ravilov> what's wrong with normal commandline telnet?
Oct 24 12:51:35 <Zharf> would have to install it separately and I don't have the media :p
Oct 24 12:51:43 <Zharf> they don't ship it with windows anymore
Oct 24 12:51:53 <ravilov> right
Oct 24 12:52:00 <ravilov> so much about that "OS"
Oct 24 12:52:32 <Zharf> nothing wrong with putty... -.-
Oct 24 12:53:40 <aaearon> what version of windows are you on? with windows 7 at least you are able to add telnet without needing the media
Oct 24 12:53:44 <ravilov> really? dunno, looks to me like it doesn't work :p
Oct 24 12:53:45 <Zharf> win8.1
Oct 24 12:53:57 <ravilov> you poor poor soul
Oct 24 12:54:19 <ravilov> a system so horribly unsuitable for development
Oct 24 12:54:20 <aaearon> is it requesting the media ?
Oct 24 12:54:28 <Zharf> you're just bashing at random walls, ravilov, your pathetic attempts at trying to promote your "superior OS" aren't working
Oct 24 12:54:31 <jooles> putty or cygwin work well enough
Oct 24 12:55:06 <ravilov> Zharf, I'm not trying to promote anything, I'm just stating the facts, you can take them or leave them, I don't care either way
Oct 24 12:55:32 <Zharf> ravilov, I have no interest in OS wars consider they're all equally crap at everything :p
Oct 24 12:55:38 <aaearon> http://www.sysprobs.com/install-and-enable-telnet-in-windows-8-use-as-telnet-client ???
Oct 24 12:56:03 <ravilov> whatever you say
Oct 24 12:56:47 <ravilov> bottom line is, my system works for me, while yours apparently doesn't :p
Oct 24 12:57:24 <Zharf> you're clearly not using your linux on too many things ;)
Oct 24 12:57:36 <Zharf> frankly if you still think there's good software in the world, you're too young to talk about software
Oct 24 12:58:08 <ravilov> riiiight, yep
Oct 24 12:58:13 <ravilov> I'm barely even using this box
Oct 24 12:58:20 <aaearon> rolled my eyes so hard i think i got a headache
Oct 24 12:58:20 <Zharf> just use whatever tools work for you from the massive heap of shit out there
Oct 24 12:58:47 <ravilov> aaearon, I know, right?
Oct 24 12:59:08 <VnM> Play nice ravilov
Oct 24 12:59:16 <ravilov> VnM, never
Oct 24 12:59:58 <ravilov> let's put it this way, this is the only system that works so incredibly well that I'm actually doing regular backups
Oct 24 13:00:32 <ravilov> I'm not saying getting it to work this well was easy, it took quite some effort... but it was totally worth it
Oct 24 13:00:39 <ravilov> and I'm not going to lose it now
Oct 24 13:00:56 <Zharf> and I'm not saying that you shouldn't use it -.-
Oct 24 13:01:05 <ravilov> especially because it really is set up that well that everything just *works*
Oct 24 13:01:10 <Zharf> I'm just saying that it's all the same shit, whatever you end up using
Oct 24 13:01:37 <ravilov> Zharf, you also believe there is no hope for humanity; I rest my case :p
Oct 24 13:01:46 <Zharf> what case? -.-
Oct 24 13:02:43 <VnM> As if you have any hope for humanity ravilov
Oct 24 13:03:16 <ravilov> but I do
Oct 24 13:05:17 <VnM> You must be on drugs, or hoping for Ebola to spread
Oct 24 13:05:44 <ravilov> ...
Oct 24 13:05:48 <Zharf> it should spread, unfortunately it's not going to be persistent enough to make any difference
Oct 24 13:09:09 <monsti> how usefull is beacon support in apps?
Oct 24 13:09:19 <subsignal> anyone good with contacts in here?
Oct 24 13:12:07 <VnM> Nah we're all recluses subsignal
Oct 24 13:12:39 <jooles> :P
Oct 24 13:13:09 <semanty> https://dpaste.de/rhGs , any one can help this? why does the table can not be update?
Oct 24 13:13:23 <semanty> the project_item
Oct 24 13:13:48 <semanty> the id, where values are all OK
Oct 24 13:14:26 <semanty> ProjectContract.Column.ID is also _id
Oct 24 13:15:17 <semanty> getContentResolver().update(uri, values, null, null);
Oct 24 13:17:23 <wmoran> Anyone have any insight into this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26538075/layout-weight-on-a-listview-causes-choicemode-to-stop-working
Oct 24 13:21:07 <mcmaur_> Hey guys could someone please help me? It's more than 10 days that I'm stuck. here: http://goo.gl/TcW95D
Oct 24 13:22:36 <Zharf> too much to read in my current state
Oct 24 13:22:56 <ggVGc> Zharf is drunk
Oct 24 13:22:59 <ggVGc> and horny
Oct 24 13:23:07 <Zharf> uhhuh...
Oct 24 13:23:25 <Mrdarknezz> wat
Oct 24 13:23:26 <ggVGc> that is too much to read
Oct 24 13:23:37 * ggVGc agrees with Zharf 
Oct 24 13:23:49 <rgr> libgdx it is then. Very nice little library.
Oct 24 13:24:03 <Zharf> ggVGc, I don't think most people here would understand the irony in your statements about me :p
Oct 24 13:24:06 <ravilov> it is also something he's asked not so long ago
Oct 24 13:24:15 <ravilov> pretty sure if someone knew the solution they'd say so by now
Oct 24 13:24:35 <subsignal> haha you silly fool
Oct 24 13:24:50 <subsignal> i am trying to pick a number from a specific contact URI
Oct 24 13:25:10 <ravilov> subsignal, haha you simpleton
Oct 24 13:25:23 <subsignal> ACTION_PICK gives a list of all contacts even if i pass the contact URI
Oct 24 13:25:26 <rgr> mcmaur : you saw there was an updated answer. Besides that "it doesnt work" is not really a lot to go on. You need to show some sort of indication you know where the trouble is.
Oct 24 13:25:52 <subsignal> using ACTION_VIEW if i selected the phone number it dials using the build in phone app, i need to change this funtionality for my app
Oct 24 13:26:48 <subsignal> either i need to be able to select the phone number and have it passed back or i need to be able to override the functionality of the list view seletion in the contacts view
Oct 24 13:29:09 <ravilov> subsignal, http://developer.android.com/training/basics/intents/result.html
Oct 24 13:29:45 <semanty> anyone can help the reason why the table can not be updated?
Oct 24 13:29:47 <semanty> https://dpaste.de/G3F7
Oct 24 13:29:50 <subsignal> yea ive read through this
Oct 24 13:30:08 <subsignal> ACTION_PICK present a list of all contacts
Oct 24 13:30:14 <subsignal> i already know the contact uri
Oct 24 13:31:10 <ravilov> then I'm afraid the standard dialer is not capable of dealing with what you want
Oct 24 13:31:27 <subsignal> i guess ill just rebuild a person view
Oct 24 13:32:17 <subsignal> wild that apple allows this but android doesnt there must be a way!
Oct 24 13:33:33 <ravilov> funny, at first they were copying each other, now it looks like people *expect* them to copy each other :p
Oct 24 13:33:44 <ravilov> just because one does doesn't mean the other should too
Oct 24 13:33:47 <Unknown0BC> I am staring at this menu editor in eclipse, what goes into the icon setting ? ( it does not have a brows button like the rest ).
Oct 24 13:34:06 <subsignal> i just figured its such a standard thing that there would be a way to do it
Oct 24 13:34:14 <subsignal> even the windows phone allows u to do this
Oct 24 13:34:23 <subsignal> and android is the most open platform ive used so far
Oct 24 13:34:27 <subsignal> just found it weird
Oct 24 13:34:33 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, using the "visual" editor is a bad idea anyway, you should be typing raw XML code like a real coder! but anyway, any drawable goes in there
Oct 24 13:34:55 <Unknown0BC> hehe
Oct 24 13:34:58 <subsignal> ^
Oct 24 13:35:05 <subsignal> yes that visual editor is super bad
Oct 24 13:35:07 <subsignal> lol
Oct 24 13:35:12 <ravilov> subsignal, you can try installing an alternative dialer, see if that helps any
Oct 24 13:35:27 <subsignal> we already have a voip sytem in place
Oct 24 13:35:29 <Unknown0BC> I must agree, since it gets stuck on stuff and messes up a lot of stuff.
Oct 24 13:35:39 <subsignal> i was just trying to use built in contact view for a person to select their number to dial
Oct 24 13:35:44 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, then quit using it, most people already have ;)
Oct 24 13:35:47 <Unknown0BC> but its such a nice "looking" interface ! ;)
Oct 24 13:35:49 <subsignal> its all good im just gonna rebuild a person view
Oct 24 13:36:10 <subsignal> once u start building custom views the editor throws up on itself
Oct 24 13:36:11 <subsignal> so
Oct 24 13:36:17 <ravilov> subsignal, yeah even viber has its own contacts view, even though they pull the data out of the phonebook
Oct 24 13:36:27 <subsignal> yea thats what we will do it seems
Oct 24 13:36:29 <subsignal> no biggie
Oct 24 13:36:38 <jooles> I find the visual editor handy as a properties reference or as a shorthand for setting some properties, but yeah it is kind of awful
Oct 24 13:36:50 <subsignal> just trying to use as much built in things as posssible so the user doesnt have to look at all these different views
Oct 24 13:37:07 <subsignal> thanks for the help rav
Oct 24 13:37:09 <rgr> jooles: ditto. There is a set who start crying if you use. It's very useful if you use it properly.
Oct 24 13:37:21 <ravilov> I only ever use the visual editor as a quick preview, even though even that is quite inaccurate most of the time
Oct 24 13:37:31 <subsignal> ^
Oct 24 13:37:45 <Unknown0BC> how did the guys who made it get to use it ?
Oct 24 13:37:48 <subsignal> yea on more custom things that visual editor can really f u up
Oct 24 13:37:48 <jooles> all tools are useful to some degree :)
Oct 24 13:37:51 <Unknown0BC> jeez
Oct 24 13:38:06 <Unknown0BC> You have to do double the coding to get it working.
Oct 24 13:38:21 <Unknown0BC> no triple.
Oct 24 13:39:10 <jooles> Unknown0BC, well they did use Java as the main app development language ;)
Oct 24 13:40:12 <Unknown0BC> oooooh yes... good old java, want to change a colour ? lets write a library for it... ;)
Oct 24 13:41:13 <ravilov> who in their right mind changes colors anyway
Oct 24 13:41:13 <cliffreich> guys whats a good way to promote app without money
Oct 24 13:41:14 <jooles> a library? Why not a whole new enterprise framework?
Oct 24 13:41:26 * jooles does like Java really
Oct 24 13:41:29 <ravilov> cliffreich, make it awesome and unique, and then tell a few friends
Oct 24 13:41:39 <jooles> also social media
Oct 24 13:42:02 <jooles> If it's worth a retweet/share, people will do so
Oct 24 13:42:07 <ravilov> but seriously, nothing promotes an app like its own quality
Oct 24 13:42:08 <cliffreich> my social media=0
Oct 24 13:42:22 * Unknown0BC blinks
Oct 24 13:42:27 <subsignal> better grind the social media front
Oct 24 13:42:42 <Unknown0BC> cliffreich, put it on google play and hold thumbs someone sees it.
Oct 24 13:42:52 <ravilov> cliffreich, is your app a frontend to your own developed social network? :p
Oct 24 13:43:03 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, he did say no money..
Oct 24 13:43:03 <cliffreich> its on from 2 days, but like 10 downloads so far
Oct 24 13:43:08 <Unknown0BC> ( if you have an account, err which you pay for )
Oct 24 13:43:20 <Unknown0BC> I forgot for a moment.
Oct 24 13:43:29 <subsignal> contact some bloggers
Oct 24 13:43:39 <subsignal> send them ur app for free if its not
Oct 24 13:43:43 <subsignal> maybe they will blog about it
Oct 24 13:43:55 <cliffreich> yeah its free
Oct 24 13:44:02 <subsignal> then send them a link
Oct 24 13:44:03 <cliffreich> what are good blogs to do that
Oct 24 13:44:10 <subsignal> google
Oct 24 13:44:21 <cliffreich> ok will do
Oct 24 13:44:25 <subsignal> depends on your type of app
Oct 24 13:45:41 <chinmaya> I want to know , how can i set the view of my application , that is shown in the overview screen for android device ?
Oct 24 13:45:44 <cliffreich> ravilov i mean i have same amount of social networks profiles as stallman
Oct 24 13:45:49 <cliffreich> :P
Oct 24 13:47:36 <ravilov> cliffreich, that means you have no personal profiles of your own, but you do have tons of groups and fan pages ;)
Oct 24 13:47:55 <ravilov> chinmaya, what is an "overview screen"?
Oct 24 13:48:16 <semanty> no one knows?
Oct 24 13:48:44 <cliffreich> just the same amount of personal profiles :(. maybe some day i'll have fans making fake profiles of me and i'll hate them in secret
Oct 24 13:49:05 <cliffreich> a man can dream
Oct 24 13:49:06 <chinmaya> overview screen (also referred to as the recents screen, recent task list, or recent apps)
Oct 24 13:51:50 <ravilov> chinmaya, I thought that always shows a random recent screenshot of the app
Oct 24 13:52:27 <chinmaya> ravilov, I think thats the last activity screenshot . Is it possible to manage the screenshot of the app
Oct 24 13:52:43 <ravilov> not that I know of
Oct 24 13:53:07 <ravilov> probably not though, or else that could be used for malicious purposes
Oct 24 13:53:38 <Unknown0BC> If I am going to avoid the graphical interface designer should I avoid the xml files also ?
Oct 24 13:53:46 <ravilov> it also serves as a quick reminder of where you left off in the activity, so...
Oct 24 13:53:55 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, ... no
Oct 24 13:54:17 <semanty> ask for help, sirs, https://dpaste.de/G3F7
Oct 24 13:54:24 <chinmaya> ravilov,  i know that apps using pincode to allow users to access the apps, show a blank screen or loading view
Oct 24 13:54:30 <ravilov> looks like you're a total beginner Unknown0BC, correct?
Oct 24 13:55:01 <Unknown0BC> ravilov, not exactly.
Oct 24 13:55:20 <ravilov> sure looks like it though
Oct 24 13:55:22 <Unknown0BC> :)
Oct 24 13:55:47 <chinmaya> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9822076/how-do-i-prevent-android-taking-a-screenshot-when-my-app-goes-to-the-background
Oct 24 13:56:18 <ravilov> I've seen nobody else actually try to use the visual editor, and when told not to consider abandoning xmls altogether
Oct 24 13:57:09 <ravilov> fyi, you won't get far if you stay away from xmls
Oct 24 13:58:20 <ravilov> oh Zharf, I lied, I just thought of one single thing my system/setup doesn't do (yet) that I wish it did - connect to my company's wifi with weird proprietary encryption and stuff
Oct 24 13:58:35 <ravilov> but even that is just a matter of time ;)
Oct 24 14:01:39 <monsti> chinmaya: i don't understand that SECURE flag ;)
Oct 24 14:02:16 <monsti> chinmaya: i can use a 2nd device and create a picture of the "secure" device ;)
Oct 24 14:02:55 <monsti> that's somehow similar "security" then the face recognicion lock ;)
Oct 24 14:07:12 <tricknology> RAVILOV, i'VE USED THE VISUAL EDITOR, IT'S NOT BAD. oops caps.  I manunly use it to generate a quick xml
Oct 24 14:07:18 <tricknology> mainly*..
Oct 24 14:07:30 <tricknology> sometimes I don't use an XML at all if the layou tis more complicated
Oct 24 14:08:46 <pfn> I've been using macroid, its nice
Oct 24 14:09:43 <ravilov> tricknology, if your typing is generally this good, I'm not surprised you'd rather click around than type code :p
Oct 24 14:09:47 * ravilov hides again
Oct 24 14:11:09 <pfn> Android layout XML is far too verbose
Oct 24 14:11:22 <pfn> clicking is arguably faster
Oct 24 14:13:05 <ravilov> pfn, copypasting my standard boilerplate works much better for me
Oct 24 14:13:13 <ravilov> I'd get nowhere with clicking
Oct 24 14:13:24 <ravilov> just not my kind of thing
Oct 24 14:15:39 <tricknology> My typing is shit, I have really short fingers
Oct 24 14:17:33 <tricknology> I'm surprised you didn't notice earlier. I always hit the key next to the one I want, or hit the space bar too early.  I think I need a mechanical.
Oct 24 14:18:12 <rgr> cant close the variable window in IJ. Its sitting over the tools area (debug, logcat etc). it says its docked but its not. any ideas how to properly reembed it?
Oct 24 14:18:54 <pfn> ravilov, copy pasting involves clicking for you, I bet
Oct 24 14:19:22 <ravilov> pfn, um no it doesn't
Oct 24 14:19:40 <pfn> it does for most people
Oct 24 14:19:51 <tricknology> he uses ctrl, shift, and page up/dn
Oct 24 14:20:01 <tricknology> and arrow keys..
Oct 24 14:20:19 <ravilov> not to forget home and end
Oct 24 14:20:35 <tricknology> ah yes, they are important too, but not on a mac
Oct 24 14:20:46 <ravilov> that's how I've always done it, can't stand making selections with the mouse
Oct 24 14:21:35 <tricknology> random, but you just reminded me. my dad used to take the mouse when he went to work in the summer because I was on the computer constantly. And that's how I learned to navigate without a mouse.
Oct 24 14:22:40 <ravilov> good hint, I might try that on my kids
Oct 24 14:23:32 <VnM> lol
Oct 24 14:23:49 <tricknology> and then install linux command line
Oct 24 14:24:29 <pfn> taking the keyboard is more effective, heh
Oct 24 14:24:42 <tricknology> in a few years you kids wil see everything in matrix mode
Oct 24 14:25:06 <tricknology> haha well he figured that out but by that time I had enough to buy my own, then I bought my own computer
Oct 24 14:25:26 <ravilov> pfn, if your goal is total absolute control over the poor kid, yes; this is better because it forces you to learn new skills - if you manage to navigate the computer using the keyboard only, then you've earned the right to use the computer in my book
Oct 24 14:25:46 <ravilov> tricknology, s/mode/code/
Oct 24 14:28:01 <semanty> https://dpaste.de/G3F7 anyone can help figure out why the project table item can not be updated?
Oct 24 14:28:35 <gottaGO> Is there something I can do with this -> Task 'aD' is ambiguous in root project 'MyExamples'. Candidates are: 'androidDependencies', 'assembleDebug', 'assembleDefault'.
Oct 24 14:28:42 <ravilov> semanty, asking once or twice is plenty enough, more than that is just spamming the channel, if anyone had a solution they would have offered it by now
Oct 24 14:28:50 <gottaGO> when running ./gradlew aD
Oct 24 14:30:06 <semanty> ravilov: that is y i send this for help after a long period, i hope new people can see that
Oct 24 14:30:36 <semanty> ravilov: and you really online this for quite hours, right?
Oct 24 14:31:21 <VnM> ravilov doesn't sleep, he's in our computers
Oct 24 14:31:35 <ravilov> semanty, doesn't work that way, sorry
Oct 24 14:31:41 <ravilov> and yes I am, is there a problem with that?
Oct 24 14:32:10 <VnM> Please get out of my computer
Oct 24 14:32:40 <ravilov> VnM, only after I'm done with it
Oct 24 14:32:43 <semanty> ravilov: nothing
Oct 24 14:36:33 <tricknology> semanty what is the problem?
Oct 24 14:36:59 <semanty> tricknology: the data for project can not be udpated
Oct 24 14:37:16 <semanty> tricknology: i checked many times, the statement should be right
Oct 24 14:37:53 <semanty> tricknology: there is no error, just return 0
Oct 24 14:38:15 <tricknology> it would be nice if you could see the sqlite statement you are generating
Oct 24 14:38:31 <tricknology> I usually just execute sql without using android's methods
Oct 24 14:40:31 <wmoran> semanty, http://billdoesgames.blogspot.com/2014/10/android-sqlite-and-rawquery.html
Oct 24 14:40:37 <wmoran> semanty, could it be related to that?
Oct 24 14:40:48 <tricknology> try to find the entries first.. test that.  maybe it's with your where
Oct 24 14:40:54 <tricknology> since you are generating that
Oct 24 14:41:30 <tricknology> oh you have a log there, what is that string on 63?
Oct 24 14:41:43 <tricknology> my guess is that it can't find that condition so nothing is being updated
Oct 24 14:42:16 <semanty> wmoran: sorry, i cannot enter into that site
Oct 24 14:42:38 <wmoran> semanty, that so?
Oct 24 14:43:09 <wmoran> Well, the upshot is that I found that certain SQLLite methods will not modify rows, and will not report an error either.
Oct 24 14:43:14 <tricknology> he is not using rawQuery is he? does update use it?
Oct 24 14:43:40 <wmoran> tricknology, I don't know if he's using rawQuery() ... didn't see reference one way or the other
Oct 24 14:43:44 <tricknology> I usually use execSQL()
Oct 24 14:43:52 <wmoran> Also, I don't know if that pattern extends to any other methods
Oct 24 14:44:06 <wmoran> Didn't test any more than necessary to fix my problem
Oct 24 14:44:09 <tricknology> do you have more than 500 entries that you are trying to update or insert?
Oct 24 14:44:21 <semanty> tricknology: https://dpaste.de/9ypm
Oct 24 14:44:36 <semanty> tricknology: no, in fact, not more than 50
Oct 24 14:44:55 <semanty> wmoran: anyone to put the content in dpaste?
Oct 24 14:45:01 <tricknology> byt you have >= 402 records?
Oct 24 14:45:16 <wmoran> tricknology, does SQLLite have trouble modifying more than 500 rows with a single statement?
Oct 24 14:45:27 <tricknology> not sure about modifying but inserting, yes
Oct 24 14:46:08 <ravilov> it does?
Oct 24 14:46:41 <wmoran> Wow ... you mean in a single transaction, or a single statement?
Oct 24 14:46:48 <semanty> tricknology: just a new app, the database not have that much dagta
Oct 24 14:46:49 <tricknology> transaction
Oct 24 14:46:50 <semanty> data
Oct 24 14:47:06 <wmoran> Wow ... that's a bit ridiculous
Oct 24 14:47:11 <wmoran> Btu good to know
Oct 24 14:47:17 <ravilov> tricknology, this makes me want to try that out as it seems kind of unprobable
Oct 24 14:47:24 <ravilov> buuuut I don't feel like it :p
Oct 24 14:47:25 <tricknology> https://github.com/znwabudike/AndroidPhoneDatabase/blob/master/src/com/github/znwabudike/androidphonedatabase/db/DbHandler.java
Oct 24 14:47:27 <tricknology> line 37
Oct 24 14:47:30 <tricknology> is how I handle it
Oct 24 14:48:04 <tricknology> 499 at a time
Oct 24 14:48:23 <ravilov> so it handles 499 just fine, but breaks down on 500?
Oct 24 14:48:24 <ravilov> that is weird
Oct 24 14:48:43 <tricknology> I think i set it 1 lower
Oct 24 14:48:54 <tricknology> just to be a weirdo
Oct 24 14:51:12 <pfn> ravilov, depends,
Oct 24 14:51:15 <tricknology> ahhh, i found this just now.. maybe there is no limit? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7199305/sqlite-number-of-transactions-limit this guy says he can do 10mil
Oct 24 14:51:42 <tricknology> http://www.sqlite.org/limits.html
Oct 24 14:52:03 <tricknology> I read somewhere that it was 500 and just went with it when my code broke inserting more than 500
Oct 24 14:52:50 <Chainfire> TextView, android:typeface="monospace" appears to no longer work when using Theme.Material ... any ideas on how to workaround anyone?
Oct 24 14:52:58 <tricknology> semanty if it's only your update method then I would check your syntax or variables.  can you first check if the entry exists? can you add to the table?
Oct 24 14:53:01 <GrecKo> tricknology: http://stackoverflow.com/a/14263897/2788674
Oct 24 14:53:08 <tricknology> i'm going to be gone for about 2 hours
Oct 24 14:53:30 <tricknology> there we go, that's what I read
Oct 24 14:53:39 <tricknology> thanks GrecKo
Oct 24 14:54:55 <js_> hi, what's the best way to simulate an htc one m8 on my mac? for web development
Oct 24 14:54:57 <semanty> tricknology: it does exist. i just updated data to server and at the same time update the database
Oct 24 14:55:12 <semanty> tricknology: after i refresh, the server has the value,
Oct 24 14:55:16 <pfn> what happens if I put an AdapterView in a RemoteViews in a notification?
Oct 24 14:55:39 <semanty> tricknology: before i refresh, the local database does not have that word
Oct 24 14:55:46 <semanty> udpated
Oct 24 14:57:57 <skrite> hey all, i have a question about this chunk from a tutorial http://pastie.org/9672656
Oct 24 14:58:20 <skrite> my question is how do i get the result from like 52 into my MainActivity.java class?
Oct 24 15:00:42 <skrite> i mean, i can get it into a logcat by System.out.println(client.execute("myurl.com") but i don't know how to return a result or put the result into a variable.
Oct 24 15:01:30 <osipovas> skrite http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html#onPostExecute(Result)
Oct 24 15:03:37 <osipovas> pfn http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/appwidgets/index.html#CreatingLayout
Oct 24 15:03:43 <osipovas> Only some are allowed
Oct 24 15:03:57 <skrite> osi
Oct 24 15:03:58 <osipovas> otherwise it throws some sort of exception, not sure what the exact exception is
Oct 24 15:03:59 <pfn> osipovas, I know which ones are allowed, and the adapterviews are
Oct 24 15:04:01 <skrite> osipovas: thanks !
Oct 24 15:04:11 <pfn> osipovas, the question is, what happens to adapterviews in *notifications*
Oct 24 15:04:32 <osipovas> Well a notification can have custom views, right?
Oct 24 15:04:38 <pfn> no
Oct 24 15:04:43 <osipovas> Set remoteviews or w/e
Oct 24 15:04:43 <pfn> it can only have remotableviews
Oct 24 15:05:44 <Chainfire> ok solved that as well... to get monospace on material you also have to set fontFamily="monospace". but then you wont get monospace on 2.x :')
Oct 24 15:05:48 <osipovas> remotableviews?
Oct 24 15:05:55 <pfn> osipovas, once again, the question is what notifications do with remoteviews
Oct 24 15:05:56 <pfn> er
Oct 24 15:05:58 <osipovas> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/notifiers/notifications.html#CustomNotification
Oct 24 15:05:59 <pfn> adapterviews
Oct 24 15:06:07 <pfn> you're pretty thick
Oct 24 15:06:25 <semanty> wmoran: how could i show the sql statement used by contentprovider in the log>
Oct 24 15:06:32 <osipovas> the cost to experiment with a notification is really small?
Oct 24 15:06:40 <pfn> uh, not for an adapterview
Oct 24 15:06:46 <pfn> an adapterview requires a lot of service plumbing
Oct 24 15:07:28 <pfn> and of course, it seems like no one has ever tried putting an adapterview into a notification...
Oct 24 15:07:32 <semanty> wmoran: or the raw sql, how to use, i searched with nothing returned
Oct 24 15:09:59 <osipovas> pfn, ooc are you trying to get Widgetish functionality out of Notifications since no more lockscreen widgets or something completely different
Oct 24 15:10:37 <pfn> osipovas, no, I'm trying to work around a problem I'm having with text truncation in my notification
Oct 24 15:10:51 <pfn> and what I want to do is basically impossible in a textview
Oct 24 15:11:17 <pfn> osipovas, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wwY-QgD1HNg/VElEXYTFU8I/AAAAAAAAMZA/cnoUCp7bglU/w368-h589-no/14%2B-%2B1
Oct 24 15:11:35 <pfn> osipovas, it always shows the beginning lines rather than the end
Oct 24 15:12:08 <osipovas> second or first notification?
Oct 24 15:12:14 <pfn> first
Oct 24 15:12:26 <pfn> an adapterview would fix the problem...
Oct 24 15:12:34 <pfn> but only if it works in notifications...
Oct 24 15:16:44 <pfn> and of course, looks like no one has ever tried
Oct 24 15:21:16 <osipovas> I have a feeling it won't work; looking at: setRemoteAdapter
Oct 24 15:21:44 <osipovas> mentions something about a widgetid
Oct 24 15:21:48 <osipovas> at least in the compat library
Oct 24 15:28:54 <wmoran> semanty, Use execSQL() for statements that modify data. Just give it a String with the SQL
Oct 24 15:29:10 <wmoran> You'll have to do your own sanitation of data, though, it doesn't take parameters
Oct 24 15:30:01 <semanty> wmoran: how do i put the content values?
Oct 24 15:30:27 <semanty> String sql = "UPDATE" + " "  + ProjectContract.TABLE + " " + "SET" + " " + values  + " " + "where" + " " + where;
Oct 24 15:30:30 <wmoran> Make a StringBuilder and do append() to create a valid SQL statement
Oct 24 15:30:33 <semanty> db.execSQL(sql)
Oct 24 15:30:53 <wmoran> For the record, that is not a recommended method ... it's vulnerable to SQL injection
Oct 24 15:31:02 <wmoran> Unless you use it carefully
Oct 24 15:31:48 <Noobda> hi all
Oct 24 15:31:50 <semanty> wmoran: i firstly want to approve the data can be updated
Oct 24 15:32:00 <Noobda> Anyone ever developed a chat app for android?
Oct 24 15:32:04 <Noobda> If so please help me >.<
Oct 24 15:33:09 <GrecKo> maybe the whatsapp devs are in this chan Noobda
Oct 24 15:33:19 <Noobda> That would be nice :)
Oct 24 15:34:01 <killer> hey, whenevr i run emaulator , it says " ./emulator -avd AVD_for_Nexus_One_by_Google
Oct 24 15:34:04 <killer> NAND: could not write file /tmp/android-killer/emulator-j9AMvv, File exists
Oct 24 15:34:06 <GrecKo> what is your problem Noobda
Oct 24 15:34:16 <Noobda> I don't understand why to use XMPP protocol for developing a chat application
Oct 24 15:34:42 <Noobda> I mean I can simply connect the device to the server's database and periodically check for messages
Oct 24 15:35:11 <GrecKo> because xmpp is a protocol that has been designed for that
Oct 24 15:35:36 <GrecKo> and is more robust than your way of doing
Oct 24 15:35:47 <Noobda> Well the thing is I cannot install xmpp on my servers
Oct 24 15:36:14 <GrecKo> ok
Oct 24 15:36:18 <Noobda> What can be a problem with my way?
Oct 24 15:36:21 <GrecKo> then do what you can do
Oct 24 15:46:38 <wordToDaBird> Noobda, what other protocol would you use if not that one?  What are its benefits of comparable protocols?  Why not use just standard HTTP?
Oct 24 15:47:37 <Noobda> yeah I'm gonna use HTTP
Oct 24 15:47:50 <Noobda> But I'll have to check the server for new messages every 100ms
Oct 24 15:48:30 <Shoosweetleafs> What's really wrong with native (C/C++/ASM) programming on Android simply because I prefer those languages? https://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
Oct 24 15:48:37 <Noobda> That might cause some problems (I'm not even sure what problems)
Oct 24 15:48:43 <pfn> ok, the end result, notifications do not support adapterviews
Oct 24 15:48:44 <pfn> :(
Oct 24 15:49:08 <pfn> there's  no way to notify data set changed, no way to force the initial view render to poll the remoteviews service
Oct 24 15:49:29 <Noobda> pfn is that for me? :O
Oct 24 15:49:35 <pfn> no
Oct 24 15:49:36 <wordToDaBird> Shoosweetleafs there is nothing wrong with going native on Android just have a rationale for it.  More than I prefer C++
Oct 24 15:49:47 <pfn> Noobda, why would I be talking to you
Oct 24 15:49:58 <Noobda> okay
Oct 24 15:50:06 <wordToDaBird> I do my secure stuff, client code for certificates, and keys in native
Oct 24 15:54:07 <Shoosweetleafs> I'm sure stuff like OpenGL is a lot better in C/C++.
Oct 24 15:54:28 <pfn> opengl is all done in GL
Oct 24 15:54:33 <pfn> so it doesn't matter that it's c++ or java
Oct 24 15:54:33 <semanty> wmoran: thank you so much, i figure it out. it is because i use intent to pass two table's id, and the id variable both refers to "_id", i put prefix, that is OK now
Oct 24 15:55:17 <semanty> wmoran: that means, i want to use project's _id, but actually i used step's _id, hope this can also helps others
Oct 24 15:56:17 <wmoran> The problem is so often somewhere other than where you're looking
Oct 24 16:01:54 <BaluderBaer> hi
Oct 24 16:04:05 <Mrdarknezz> BaluderBaer: hi
Oct 24 16:04:25 <tricknology__> haaaay
Oct 24 16:15:21 <shaun413> hi
Oct 24 16:17:38 <skrite> the app i need to build will make many request to our server for JSONArray objects. I should be able to build just one class that can handle this instead of using an AsyncTask in every activity, right?
Oct 24 16:20:40 <shaun413> hi
Oct 24 16:20:48 <osipovas> skrite does that sound right to you?
Oct 24 16:20:53 <shaun413> is android dev a good skill to learn?
Oct 24 16:21:03 <skrite> osi
Oct 24 16:21:03 <osipovas> keep things DRY
Oct 24 16:21:17 <pfn> I guess time to haxor with staticlayout
Oct 24 16:21:25 <skrite> osipovas: sounds like it would be keeping it more DRY, yes (i am coming here from the ruby and rails world)
Oct 24 16:21:59 <skrite> osipovas: just having the devil of a time figuring out how to do that.
Oct 24 16:23:05 <pfn> hmm, now do I get the width of the notification tray?
Oct 24 16:27:55 <Mrdarknezz> skrite: http://www.therealjoshua.com/2012/09/android-architecture-structuring-network-calls/
Oct 24 16:29:50 <tricknology__> Why not one async in your activity that calls methods from your json class?
Oct 24 16:30:52 <tricknology__> you coul do something liek this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15487807/android-development-having-an-asynctask-in-a-separate-class-file
Oct 24 16:35:14 <tricknology__> ..that is a nice async task Mrdarknezz, thanks for the link
Oct 24 16:35:40 <killer> hey , when i run lollipop emulator(4.X versions work fine) ,it ./emulator -avd AVD_for_3_7_WVGA_Nexus_One
Oct 24 16:35:42 <killer> qsSegmentation fault (core dumped)
Oct 24 16:36:02 <tricknology__> you using NDK? how are you getting a seg fault?
Oct 24 16:37:21 <killer> Nope the usual sdk , with all the same configurations same as 4.x avd's
Oct 24 16:37:31 <canadiancow> have you tried a different device?
Oct 24 16:38:10 <tricknology__> dat dere is a memory access vi-o-layshun
Oct 24 16:38:51 <killer> AVD_for_5_1_WCGA is the other one that i tried
Oct 24 16:40:24 <skrite> Mrdarknez: thanks for the link !
Oct 24 16:41:06 <skrite> tricknology__:  yes, that was kinda the issue, because i will likely have lots of activities, so lots of Async classes.
Oct 24 16:42:17 <pfn> ugh, notification_panel_width isn't documented
Oct 24 16:42:19 <tricknology__> then does it really matter if the activity is in your class or in your activity?
Oct 24 16:42:48 <skrite> tricknology__: good point
Oct 24 16:44:45 <tricknology__> the resource MrDarkneez gave is an example of a good design pattern, but I think what you want in the end is good clean code taht is easily readable, if you use that same taska lot in different activities, I’d say put it in a class.  If not, then the activity is fine unless you have a lot of other stuff goign on in there
Oct 24 16:47:51 <tricknology__> I am so stupid.. spent 15 minutes trying to figure otu why my app wasn’t displaying logcat messages.  I was using the signed apk X|
Oct 24 16:48:25 <skrite> tricknology__: ok, cool
Oct 24 16:58:04 <MyWay> hi
Oct 24 17:02:45 <Odaym> much nicer pull to refresh
Oct 24 17:06:59 <g00s> meh https://github.com/castorflex/PlayServicesStrip-plugin
Oct 24 17:07:16 <g00s> why the hell couldn't google have done this by now
Oct 24 17:08:07 <birbeck> nice find
Oct 24 17:08:20 <Odaym> what if I need the whole thing huh!
Oct 24 17:08:21 <Odaym> huh!
Oct 24 17:08:34 <Odaym> jk, I have no idea what that is
Oct 24 17:08:50 <birbeck> you have no idea what play services is?
Oct 24 17:09:03 <birbeck> how do you develop apps?
Oct 24 17:09:05 <Odaym> that was not a link to play services
Oct 24 17:09:06 <Odaym> smartass
Oct 24 17:09:28 <Odaym> that was a link to the "stripping down of play services plugin"
Oct 24 17:09:38 <tricknology__> Because why wouldn’t you need your app to do all the things?
Oct 24 17:10:30 <Odaym> tricknologic
Oct 24 17:10:32 <Odaym> :D
Oct 24 17:10:37 <Odaym> that'll be $10
Oct 24 17:12:36 <tricknology__> 10 doll-hairs? I think I can do that
Oct 24 17:13:22 <Odaym> double pun
Oct 24 17:13:41 <kuldeepdhaka> i would like Android to call GLSurfaceView.onSurfaceChanged()  on my request.  [so that i can load appropriate resources (in opengl thread) as per new configuration]  [note: "setRenderer" can only be called once -- doc]
Oct 24 17:13:46 <josemiguelgalvan> I spent time to connect a bq device with android studio to use it to debugging, if someone have problems with this, let me know to help you.
Oct 24 17:14:06 <Odaym> post about it on SO josemiguelgalvan
Oct 24 17:14:11 <Odaym> get rept!
Oct 24 17:14:13 <josemiguelgalvan> oka
Oct 24 17:14:41 <tricknology__> ^
Oct 24 17:15:18 <g00s> why does the paypal app need sms / calendar permissions ?
Oct 24 17:15:20 <g00s> http://thepcspy.com/read/paypal-permissions-microphone-camera-photos/
Oct 24 17:15:45 * g00s still asserts: android permission system is totally busted
Oct 24 17:15:54 <tricknology__> it’s jacked
Oct 24 17:16:07 <tricknology__> people are paranoid as it is.. permission system doesn’t help
Oct 24 17:16:28 <tricknology__> we had a lady call in freaking out because it “can take pictures and record audio
Oct 24 17:17:34 <tricknology__> are there Android devices out there with no SD card? or emulated SD card?
Oct 24 17:18:07 <tricknology__> I want to copy a file from raw to sd, or some place where I’m allowed to write it but I’m not sure if SD storage is generic enough.. anyone know?
Oct 24 17:18:50 <tricknology__> maybe I should rtfm some more.. http://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/files.html
Oct 24 17:19:09 <killer> my lollipop emulator doesn't work armeabi version but atom-intel-x86 works fine,is it ok to test app on x86 version only ?
Oct 24 17:22:51 <killer> ?
Oct 24 17:22:54 <kuldeepdhaka> tricknology, "are there Android devices out there with no SD card?" MotoG
Oct 24 17:23:04 <osipovas> killer depends; are you using NDK?
Oct 24 17:23:22 <tricknology__> thanks kuldeepdhaka
Oct 24 17:24:34 <ravilov> kuldeepdhaka, tricknology__, to my knowledge all android devices out there either have either an emulated card (a dedicated part of the internal storage) or a real SD card slot
Oct 24 17:24:45 <kuldeepdhaka> i see peoples dont even look at permission and just install them. they are not aware about what possibly could go wrong
Oct 24 17:25:07 <Odaym> people do look at permissions
Oct 24 17:25:20 <Odaym> there's no such thing as "people don't do XYZ"
Oct 24 17:25:22 <killer> osipovas: no
Oct 24 17:25:39 <kuldeepdhaka> Ravenheart, tricknology my note was just to for SD card
Oct 24 17:25:53 <Ravenheart> what?
Oct 24 17:26:10 <kuldeepdhaka> ravilov, ^
Oct 24 17:26:31 <osipovas> killer should be fine?
Oct 24 17:26:40 <kuldeepdhaka> Ravenheart, :)
Oct 24 17:27:03 <Ravenheart> i've started reading an android book
Oct 24 17:27:06 <Ravenheart> so far so good
Oct 24 17:27:12 <Ravenheart> and android studio is much better than eclipse
Oct 24 17:27:21 <tricknology__> NO.
Oct 24 17:27:22 <killer> osipovas: you mean it should work fine?
Oct 24 17:27:22 <Ravenheart> (but still no where near as good as VS)
Oct 24 17:27:34 <ravilov> enjoy your light reading, then when you're done head over to d.android.com to get some ACTUAL information :p
Oct 24 17:28:06 <osipovas> killer yes
Oct 24 17:28:51 <g00s> one question about http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2014/10/appcompat-v21-material-design-for-pre.html
Oct 24 17:29:00 <g00s> they have app:theme="@style/ThemeOverlay.AppCompat.ActionBar" />
Oct 24 17:29:16 <g00s> how does it work when the theme attribute isn't in android namespace, but app: ?
Oct 24 17:29:35 <kuldeepdhaka> Ravenheart, its all java. except with its own UI and xml feature to ease gui development. and thats it. (and yea optimized for phone)
Oct 24 17:29:48 <Odaym> you include that up in the parent of the XML
Oct 24 17:29:54 <Odaym> ending with res-auto
Oct 24 17:30:11 <Ravenheart> well my main language is C# and desktop apps
Oct 24 17:30:21 <Ravenheart> moving over to java feels painful
Oct 24 17:30:29 <Ravenheart> mostly because of the lack of good tooling
Oct 24 17:30:38 <Ravenheart> otherwise i must say android feels nice
Oct 24 17:30:39 <Odaym> Eclipse does this for me when I bring up suggestions for the element that has these attrs applicable
Oct 24 17:30:44 <Zikomos> Is there a way to listen for a URL hash change on a WebView (e.g. index.html -> index.html#hash). onPageStarted() only works for URLs that reload the page.
Oct 24 17:30:51 <ravilov> g00s, you define an extra namespace in your xml?
Oct 24 17:30:55 * kuldeepdhaka feels unproductive in java. (c was better)
Oct 24 17:30:58 <g00s> Odaym thanks - but I still don't get how it works. if i write a custom view, my ctor would read those custom attributes and do something
Oct 24 17:31:15 <g00s> in this case though, its just the toolbar not a custom view
Oct 24 17:31:15 <ravilov> your ctor can still get to that data
Oct 24 17:31:32 <andreyrd> Ravenheart: lack of good tooling?:P you must be using eclipse
Oct 24 17:31:44 <andreyrd> oh
Oct 24 17:31:45 <andreyrd> read up
Oct 24 17:31:46 <andreyrd> lol
Oct 24 17:32:15 <g00s> so in the example, are they assuming you will extend Toolbar?
Oct 24 17:32:29 <g00s> and then do something with that app:theme attribute? because it doesn't seem from the example
Oct 24 17:32:47 <kuldeepdhaka> Ravenheart, Android till now i felt is mostly for nui  (utilizing GNU/Linux and JVM)
Oct 24 17:34:02 <kuldeepdhaka> Ravenheart, i never felt lack of tooling. afaik theirs `adb`, `ndk-build`, `android` etc. and that all required
Oct 24 17:34:41 <g00s> Odaym here is another example https://github.com/google/iosched/blob/master/android/src/main/res/layout/toolbar_actionbar.xml#L23
Oct 24 17:34:46 <ravilov> g00s, the styling attributes are defined in the support lib already (through values/attrs.xml or similar) and are used inside the lib already, you don't need to extend anything, this is just a way to actually use them
Oct 24 17:35:14 <ravilov> (no idea if that made any sense)
Oct 24 17:35:15 <Odaym>  is what allows them to do that
Oct 24 17:35:20 <Odaym>     xmlns:iosched="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto"
Oct 24 17:35:21 <Odaym>     xmlns:iosched="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto"
Oct 24 17:35:22 <Odaym> oops
Oct 24 17:35:35 <Odaym> that's how understand it, dummy as it may sound
Oct 24 17:35:43 <ravilov> yes except for app:foo="bar" you need xmlns:app ;)
Oct 24 17:35:45 <Odaym> I put that line, then I can do custom:etc..
Oct 24 17:36:08 <g00s> yes, i understand the xml decl part... what i don't understand is , how are these 'not android' namespaces and attributes being used
Oct 24 17:36:20 <Odaym> cause you add them to your attrs
Oct 24 17:36:38 <ravilov> g00s, through the declarations in attrs.xml
Oct 24 17:36:46 <ravilov> which get translated into R.attr.whatever
Oct 24 17:36:51 <Odaym> <declare-styleable name="TypefacedButton">
Oct 24 17:36:51 <Odaym>         <attr name="typeface" />
Oct 24 17:36:56 <Odaym> now you can do app:typeface
Oct 24 17:37:00 <Odaym> or app:whatever
Oct 24 17:37:22 <Odaym> granted the element's type is com.your.app.TypefacedButton
Oct 24 17:37:43 <g00s> sure i've done that before ... ok let me recheck this all, i think my brain needed jumpstart
Oct 24 17:37:44 <ravilov> g00s, basically, to you it might be "just a toolbar" but in the support lib it is probably a view just like any other
Oct 24 17:38:05 <Odaym> see the element's type? it isn't <Toolbar>
Oct 24 17:38:11 <Odaym> it's com...........Toolbar
Oct 24 17:38:21 <Odaym> das it
Oct 24 17:39:23 <ravilov> g00s, well let me know if you need some cables, I think I might have some in my trunk :p
Oct 24 17:39:33 <Odaym> hahah
Oct 24 17:39:54 * g00s imagines ravilov crossing them, making sparks, while approaching menacingly
Oct 24 17:40:02 <g00s> with a twisted laugh
Oct 24 17:40:08 <ravilov> >:-]
Oct 24 17:40:28 <ravilov> stand still, it won't hurt at all
Oct 24 17:41:14 <pfn> yes, finally, my notification looks right
Oct 24 17:42:29 <Odaym> WELL RIGHT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!
Oct 24 17:42:38 * Odaym encourages
Oct 24 17:44:11 <Odaym> later
Oct 24 17:44:48 <g00s> later
Oct 24 17:47:26 <josemiguelgalvan> to connect any device that is not listed in Android Studio (ID Vendor) to debugging in OSX with Eclipse or Android Studio http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24685768/lg-device-not-listed-in-adb-devices/26553386#26553386
Oct 24 17:48:08 <g00s> ravilov : iosched:popupTheme="@style/ActionBarPopupThemeOverlay"
Oct 24 17:48:16 <g00s> there is no attr popupTheme in iosched :|
Oct 24 17:48:51 <tricknology__> Thanks
Oct 24 17:49:40 <ravilov> g00s, I'm not following, is that the error you're getting or your own statement?
Oct 24 17:49:55 <g00s> ravilov no, i'm still confused.
Oct 24 17:50:22 <ravilov> you've done custom views with custom attributes before?
Oct 24 17:50:25 <g00s> so they declare in xml res-auto this ns, iosched: ya ya this is easy stuff
Oct 24 17:50:52 <g00s> but where is this popupTheme coming from, and how is it being handled since its not in the android: ns ?
Oct 24 17:51:16 <josemiguelgalvan> you welcome!
Oct 24 17:51:28 <ravilov> again - it is coming from attrs.xml that's inside the lib
Oct 24 17:51:51 <g00s> then why isn't it android:popupTheme ?
Oct 24 17:52:05 <ravilov> because libs can't declare attributes in the system (android) namespace
Oct 24 17:52:10 <g00s> oh !
Oct 24 17:52:17 <ravilov> that's for framework only
Oct 24 17:52:34 <ravilov> did it click finally? :)
Oct 24 17:52:42 <g00s> ok so that part is out of the way, but how come it not then appCompat:popupTheme ?
Oct 24 17:53:01 <ravilov> to my understanding you get to name it whatever you want
Oct 24 17:53:15 <g00s> so the xmlpull parser inflating must ignore the ns
Oct 24 17:53:24 <ravilov> you declare xmlns:whatever="http://..." at the beginning, then just use whatever:blahblah="xxx"
Oct 24 17:53:45 <ravilov> no, it doesn't ignore the namespace
Oct 24 17:54:05 <ravilov> thing is, xmlns:android="..." is just a shorthand for the full namespace which in reality is "http://..."
Oct 24 17:54:31 <ravilov> so you get to declare your own shorthand, the xml inflater/parser will translate that to full URL anyway
Oct 24 17:54:54 <ravilov> and that's the only thing that matters, that the custom attributes fall into that namespace that ends with "res-auto"
Oct 24 18:01:58 <ravilov> any more questions?
Oct 24 18:02:47 <g00s> hmm
Oct 24 18:03:39 * g00s reading source
Oct 24 18:04:27 <ravilov> think of what you're using as a prefix (prefix:attr="value") as a kind of an "alias", what matters is the URL that hides behind it
Oct 24 18:04:34 <ravilov> technically, the system namespace doesn't *have* to use the "android" prefix, you can name it whatever you want, it's just a convention to name it "android" for clarity
Oct 24 18:04:43 <g00s> still, why is it app:theme rather than android:theme ?
Oct 24 18:05:00 <g00s> thats standard android: stuff
Oct 24 18:05:20 <ravilov> again, only the base framework code is allowed to use the system namespace
Oct 24 18:05:32 <ravilov> app:theme refers to the support library's attribute, not the system one
Oct 24 18:05:52 <g00s> all attributes are in a global namespace
Oct 24 18:05:59 <g00s> if android definex xxx, you can not
Oct 24 18:06:02 <SimonVT> Anyone can use any attribute, system or not
Oct 24 18:06:09 <SimonVT> It's most likely just for consistency
Oct 24 18:06:12 <ravilov> g00s, um yes you can
Oct 24 18:06:32 <ravilov> I can easily define my own custom attribute that I happen to call "layout_width"
Oct 24 18:06:38 <g00s> wat
Oct 24 18:06:40 <SimonVT> And no, system attributes does not conflict with app attributes
Oct 24 18:07:04 <g00s> wow, i remember having problems with that
Oct 24 18:07:52 <ravilov> well, not sure how else to put it, let me know when it clicks for you I guess :p
Oct 24 18:08:00 <g00s> ravilov thanks :)
Oct 24 18:08:19 <g00s> yeah, i remember defining at attr that collided with something in android
Oct 24 18:08:33 <g00s> and i thought i could by not havint it top level, but in<declare-styleable>
Oct 24 18:08:44 <SimonVT> That might be what you remember, but that's not what was happening
Oct 24 18:08:54 <g00s> ok
Oct 24 18:10:24 <pippijn> hi
Oct 24 18:10:51 <ravilov> g00s, np
Oct 24 18:10:57 * ravilov goes back to battling with his layout
Oct 24 18:11:23 <pippijn> I'm getting this problem with a scala project: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22586
Oct 24 18:11:39 <pippijn> can't install the apk
Oct 24 18:11:52 <pippijn> on android 2.3.3
Oct 24 18:12:03 <ravilov> not many scala users here
Oct 24 18:12:23 <pippijn> doesn't matter, I'm having a jvm related problem
Oct 24 18:13:21 <pippijn> I can't install an apk, because a library I use has too complex interface hierarchies
Oct 24 18:13:42 <ravilov> still kind of out of scope here, people here only focus on apps; but good luck, maybe someone will be able to pass some advice
Oct 24 18:13:55 <pippijn> I'm trying to install an app
Oct 24 18:13:58 <g00s> SimonVT at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/Toolbar.html none of the attributes like popupTheme are listed .. i think thats why I am confused
Oct 24 18:13:59 <pippijn> I'm also developing it
Oct 24 18:14:51 <g00s> shouldn't all these things like toolbar_titleMarginTop be in the documents ?
Oct 24 18:15:39 <ravilov> g00s, could be an attribute specific to the support lib and not to the core framework? just guessing
Oct 24 18:15:41 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/a8e70e5ec43a6abdd099
Oct 24 18:15:44 <pfn> well, that was kinda painful
Oct 24 18:15:59 <ravilov> I was checking the "inherited xml attributes" but it's not listed there either
Oct 24 18:16:31 <azizLIGHT> appify on #android is asking: Good evening. Since Travis CI cannot offer to generate the APK of our GItHub project and upload it to a GitHub folder or another static link, can anybody here please be so nice and recommend another service to us?
Oct 24 18:16:40 <azizLIGHT> he cannot join here without registering
Oct 24 18:16:49 <ravilov> man, these new java7 (8?) lambda methods/objects look so ugly
Oct 24 18:18:34 <azizLIGHT> i guess if you're willing to help appify, pm/query him
Oct 24 18:18:37 <pfn> ravilov, you just have a bad opinion of what good code looks like  :p
Oct 24 18:18:45 <azizLIGHT> thanks
Oct 24 18:18:56 <pfn> then have him register...
Oct 24 18:19:03 <pfn> no one's gonna pm
Oct 24 18:19:23 <ravilov> azizLIGHT, might be a better idea for him to simply register, it's not that difficult; also who is this Travis CI and why can't they upload stuff on github
Oct 24 18:19:26 <ravilov> ?
Oct 24 18:19:27 <ravilov> pfn, .flatMap (m => Seq(m, "\n")).init:_*)
Oct 24 18:19:33 <ravilov> how is that good/pretty? :p
Oct 24 18:19:44 <ravilov> what is this :_* part?
Oct 24 18:19:52 <pfn> the :_* is varargs expansion
Oct 24 18:19:58 <g00s> ravilov OK, then if they were appcompat specific they could have but the documentation for all the attributes here instead ;P http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/Toolbar.html
Oct 24 18:20:02 <azizLIGHT> ravilov: ok, relayed the message. lets see if he does it
Oct 24 18:20:58 <ravilov> g00s, agreed, it should be eithere here or there
Oct 24 18:21:01 <ravilov> but it's nowhere
Oct 24 18:21:02 <ravilov> strange
Oct 24 18:21:23 <ravilov> maybe it's one of them "hidden", "undocumented" ones :p
Oct 24 18:21:41 <ravilov> pfn, oh wow
Oct 24 18:22:08 <ravilov> pfn, wait... that's not even java!
Oct 24 18:22:15 <pfn> ravilov, no one ever said it was
Oct 24 18:22:28 <ravilov> yep, no one did, I just assumed
Oct 24 18:22:29 <ravilov> silly me
Oct 24 18:22:38 <ravilov> no wonder it looks ugly :p
Oct 24 18:22:50 <pfn> you just have a bad opinion of code
Oct 24 18:22:59 <ravilov> all these statements with no ; at the end make me feel uncomfortable
Oct 24 18:23:14 <pfn> yeah, ;, the epitome of ugliness
Oct 24 18:23:29 <pippijn> pfn: do you use scala for android app development?
Oct 24 18:23:33 <pfn> pippijn, yes
Oct 24 18:23:44 <ravilov> looks like he's in luck, just found a victim :p
Oct 24 18:24:00 <pippijn> have you seen the LinearAlloc issue?
Oct 24 18:24:05 <pfn> no
Oct 24 18:24:11 <pfn> but I also don't support 2.2
Oct 24 18:24:14 <pippijn> 2.3.3?
Oct 24 18:24:20 <pfn> haven't seen it, no
Oct 24 18:24:27 <pippijn> you support that?
Oct 24 18:24:28 <pfn> 2.3, haven't seen it
Oct 24 18:24:34 <pippijn> hmm ok
Oct 24 18:24:47 <pippijn> I test it in the emulator
Oct 24 18:24:50 <pfn> none of my users has a problem with 2.2 that's reported
Oct 24 18:24:51 <pippijn> I don't have a 2.3.3 device
Oct 24 18:25:19 <pfn> or 2.3
Oct 24 18:25:31 <pippijn> hmm ok
Oct 24 18:25:59 <pippijn> 5MB classes.jar (after proguard)
Oct 24 18:25:59 <pfn> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/scala-on-android/Ac3ToKKXUdg
Oct 24 18:26:01 <pfn> I guess he's run into it
Oct 24 18:28:02 <ravilov> wow, even the framework.jar is not that large
Oct 24 18:28:40 <pippijn> https://paste.xinu.at/WBZ9/
Oct 24 18:29:05 <pippijn> https://paste.xinu.at/WBZ9/#n3824
Oct 24 18:29:50 <pippijn> 3777 classes
Oct 24 18:30:11 <pippijn> oh, I can get rid of instareloader, I don't use that
Oct 24 18:30:20 <g00s> "The limit seem to have been 5MB in Gingerbread. It was bumped up to 8MB for an ICS patch"
Oct 24 18:30:26 <g00s> maybe minSdk = 16 !
Oct 24 18:30:46 <pippijn> 16?
Oct 24 18:30:59 <g00s> yeha, who is using 3.x ?
Oct 24 18:31:03 <tricknology__> nobody
Oct 24 18:31:17 <pippijn> but a significant number of people use 2.3
Oct 24 18:31:21 <g00s> ICS is dying, but still minSdk=15 should be OK
Oct 24 18:31:22 <tricknology__> unfortunately
Oct 24 18:31:23 <pfn> not significant enough to care
Oct 24 18:31:57 <ravilov> don't be hatin
Oct 24 18:32:07 * ravilov uses 2.3.7
Oct 24 18:32:09 <g00s> pippijn i wouldn't be surprised, if GB does in fiery explosion once Android One takes off
Oct 24 18:32:18 <tricknology__> http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Oct 24 18:32:21 <g00s> then cheap good new phones will be available
Oct 24 18:32:22 <tricknology__> Android… One?
Oct 24 18:33:01 <tricknology__> .compareTo(iPhone 5C)?
Oct 24 18:33:06 <g00s> tricknology__ like http://origin-www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-21/googles-big-plans-for-low-cost-android-one-phones-in-india
Oct 24 18:34:04 <pfn> ravilov, shitty phone
Oct 24 18:34:13 <pfn> ravilov, no wonder you think anything nice looks ugly, because you don't have anything nice  :p
Oct 24 18:34:20 <pfn> I get the new moto x next week, yay
Oct 24 18:34:26 <ravilov> pfn, this is purely by choice though
Oct 24 18:34:34 <pfn> ravilov, that doesn't make it any better
Oct 24 18:34:39 <pfn> 2.3 looks like ass
Oct 24 18:34:47 <pfn> and your opinion is practically nullified by prefering it
Oct 24 18:35:01 <ravilov> um ok
Oct 24 18:35:02 <ravilov> sure
Oct 24 18:40:21 <g00s> ravilov 2.3 is so old ... and probably has tons of security bugs that aren't patched
Oct 24 18:40:49 <g00s> you will have to move up sometime soon, whether your li-ion battery goes into a coma, or whatever
Oct 24 18:41:57 <tricknology__> even if the battery goes out there will stil be batteries otu htere
Oct 24 18:42:10 <g00s> if its replaceable i guess
Oct 24 18:42:16 <tricknology__> I had someone call me about an evo 4g the other day -.-
Oct 24 18:42:27 <g00s> is that the one with more wifis ?
Oct 24 18:42:30 <ravilov> g00s, it is very much replacable, not to mention I already have a spare
Oct 24 18:42:41 <tricknology__> 4 wifis instead of 3
Oct 24 18:42:46 <ravilov> not that it's anywhere near crapping out, still lasts me 2 days solid
Oct 24 18:42:49 <g00s> haha, i remember that video
Oct 24 18:42:56 <g00s>  i think somebody from tmo did it
Oct 24 18:42:59 <tricknology__> lol
Oct 24 18:43:11 <tricknology__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
Oct 24 18:43:33 <g00s> haha
Oct 24 18:43:41 <tricknology__> sprint messed up with their 4g service btw
Oct 24 18:43:49 <tricknology__> it’s crap.. sprint service is crap in general
Oct 24 18:43:57 <ravilov> g00s, and yes I'm aware 2.3 is old but it performs really well for me and I have no desire to upgrade (software or hardware wise), but I'm also aware I'll have to make the switch eventually, just getting mentally ready for it, it's not easy y'know :p
Oct 24 18:44:04 <g00s> what, what is that ? is it an iphone ? :)
Oct 24 18:44:24 <tricknology__> “i don’t care”
Oct 24 18:45:02 <g00s> hehe
Oct 24 18:45:34 * JacobTabak looks around
Oct 24 18:45:56 <g00s> GB was so weird, it was between froyo and HC which had totally different design / colors / styles
Oct 24 18:46:09 <g00s> some bastard child
Oct 24 18:46:55 <g00s> JacobTabak did blog stand up to scrutiny :P :) ?
Oct 24 18:47:00 <tricknology__> lol I just realized that google’s stats don’t include 3.0
Oct 24 18:47:10 <tricknology__> are they trying to erase history?
Oct 24 18:47:14 <ravilov> g00s, not that I care, I have my own system theme :p
Oct 24 18:47:17 <JacobTabak> g00s i haven't really publicized it
Oct 24 18:47:28 <JacobTabak> just shared it with a few ppl
Oct 24 18:48:06 <g00s> ravilov so anyhow, you are dealing with a huge bug surface area writing for minSdk=GB
Oct 24 18:48:13 <ravilov> tricknology__, doesn't it explain right there on the page? "platforms that take up less than 1% are not shown"
Oct 24 18:48:19 <g00s> but if you like pouring your energy into that, i guess fine ;)
Oct 24 18:48:27 <ravilov> g00s, it gets worse - my minSdk is
Oct 24 18:48:30 <ravilov> are you ready?
Oct 24 18:48:31 <ravilov> 4
Oct 24 18:48:32 <ravilov> :p
Oct 24 18:48:44 <ravilov> (no I'm not kidding)
Oct 24 18:49:13 <ravilov> I'm also not making or releasing apps for the great general public nor publishing them on play store, so yeah I can afford it
Oct 24 18:50:00 <tricknology__> 0.1% ravilov :P
Oct 24 18:50:13 <tricknology__> even still, my minsdk version is 3.0
Oct 24 18:50:21 <tricknology__> just to be a weirdo
Oct 24 18:50:57 <ravilov> well if you've seen that remark then I'm not sure why you think they're trying to erase history or whatever
Oct 24 18:51:22 <ravilov> I should totally drop my minSdk to 1
Oct 24 18:51:27 <ravilov> just to be weird
Oct 24 18:51:36 <ravilov> I've never even seen android 1.0 in real life
Oct 24 18:52:36 <genii> The oldest phone I have around here someplace is an HTC Hero, I think it's on 1.5
Oct 24 18:53:04 <tricknology__> I have an evo and a LG cricket
Oct 24 18:53:16 <ravilov> I have the original G1 that I flashed with 2.2 but I'm trying to get it back to 1.5 or 1.6
Oct 24 18:53:31 <tricknology__> but why?
Oct 24 18:53:36 <tricknology__> do you dev on windows 3.1?
Oct 24 18:53:39 <ravilov> why not?
Oct 24 18:53:43 <ravilov> what if I do?
Oct 24 18:53:50 <tricknology__> I would give you a medal
Oct 24 18:54:04 <ravilov> not everybody needs to be forced to fit into a mould y'know
Oct 24 18:54:15 <tricknology__> idk, it’s your device, I was just wondering what your motivation was, out of curiosity
Oct 24 18:54:36 <ravilov> specifically for G1? because it was originally shipped with it and because I feel it works best with it
Oct 24 18:54:43 <ravilov> it works with 2.2 as well but it's kinda sluggish
Oct 24 18:54:59 <tricknology__> I think all devices get more sluggish as updates happen
Oct 24 18:55:10 <tricknology__> happened to my evo, happened to my gfs phone, happening to my s3
Oct 24 18:55:16 <ravilov> why is it surprising then if I want to go back to older versions that were snappier?
Oct 24 18:55:23 <tricknology__> (but i have cyanogen so it could be for different reason)
Oct 24 18:55:55 <tricknology__> the argument is valid, I just don’t understand why you would want to, do you use this phone daily? or is it a dev phone?
Oct 24 18:56:01 <ravilov> everything gets worse as updates come in, and yet people do update anyway and even advocate updating is good for you
Oct 24 18:56:11 <ravilov> it's my pet phone
Oct 24 18:56:47 <tricknology__> in some cases updating is good for you.. security flaws need to be patched, but I think they expext better hardware configs out of each update
Oct 24 18:57:00 <tricknology__> until your phone drops out of the updatable frame
Oct 24 18:57:17 <ravilov> never did any vendor-driven updating anyway
Oct 24 18:57:26 <ravilov> don't care for it
Oct 24 18:57:30 <faz4> can anyone help me on this code ? https://gist.github.com/AmirHooshangi/05f06c42e4de38979de6
Oct 24 18:57:38 <faz4> this code adds each "custom" to same place in the view so they overlap each other .
Oct 24 18:58:01 <tricknology__> do you want that to happen?
Oct 24 18:58:03 <tricknology__> works as designed
Oct 24 18:58:28 <ravilov> whether they overlap or not depends on what kind of viewgroup you're using
Oct 24 18:58:47 <ravilov> I'm still waiting for an actual question
Oct 24 18:58:58 <faz4> i want each view to be added after the other one
Oct 24 18:59:12 <ravilov> then use a proper container for it
Oct 24 18:59:25 <ravilov> linearlayout seems like an obvious choice
Oct 24 18:59:41 <faz4> ravilov: let me check it
Oct 24 19:00:38 <ravilov> also you don't need to use index with .addView()
Oct 24 19:00:56 <ravilov> in fact it is probably better if you don't
Oct 24 19:01:06 <Zikomos> Is there a way to listen for a URL hash change on a WebView (e.g. index.html -> index.html#hash). onPageStarted() only works for URLs that reload the page.
Oct 24 19:03:23 <tricknology__> faz4 waht you are doing is probably stackign them on top of eachother, no?
Oct 24 19:03:45 <ravilov> sure takes him long to "check it"
Oct 24 19:03:48 <tricknology__> if you want them to appear in different places of what have you you need some layoutParams
Oct 24 19:04:00 <ravilov> um no he doesn't
Oct 24 19:04:35 <tricknology__> well, for gravity, margins, padding
Oct 24 19:05:06 <ravilov> that is all optional
Oct 24 19:05:57 <faz4> tricknology__: yes
Oct 24 19:06:26 <faz4> i want to design one form in layout.xml and fill it from DB and show it multiple times
Oct 24 19:06:35 <faz4> but i don't know how to do it.
Oct 24 19:06:44 <ravilov> googling it should help
Oct 24 19:06:58 <tricknology__> use a linearlayout like ravilov said
Oct 24 19:07:00 <ravilov> seems too trivial for google to not be able to give you an answer
Oct 24 19:07:10 <tricknology__> it will display them one after another in a row
Oct 24 19:07:15 <tricknology__> downward
Oct 24 19:07:42 <tricknology__> but..
Oct 24 19:07:44 <faz4> i changed it to LinearLayout and now i have them in one row
Oct 24 19:07:54 <tricknology__> ok that’s good, right?
Oct 24 19:08:09 <faz4> better than before
Oct 24 19:08:13 <ravilov> faz4, please look up docs for linearlayout, this channel is not a substitute for reading official docs
Oct 24 19:08:25 <faz4> ravilov: sure
Oct 24 19:09:25 <ravilov> (controlling whether they go left to right or top to bottom is even more trivial and is clearly explained in the docs)
Oct 24 19:12:06 <tricknology__> faz4, read up on all the layouts, you probably want relativelayout or gridlayout I’m guessing.. but it’s nice to know all the layouts so that you can choose better which one you need.
Oct 24 19:12:41 <faz4> tricknology__: that's a good idea
Oct 24 19:12:54 <ravilov> yes reading the docs is always a good idea
Oct 24 19:13:24 <pieces029> Is there a way to specify which application class is used when running unit tests? (I am not using robolectric)
Oct 24 19:13:31 <tricknology__> yes
Oct 24 19:13:53 <tricknology__> public class ConverterTest extends ActivityInstrumentationTestCase2<Hacktivity>{
Oct 24 19:14:08 <pfn> pieces029, application contexts are not loaded during unit tests
Oct 24 19:14:15 <tricknology__> then constructor.. public ConverterTest(){
Oct 24 19:14:16 <tricknology__> 		super(Hacktivity.class);
Oct 24 19:14:17 <tricknology__> 	}
Oct 24 19:14:22 <tricknology__> sorry shouldnt have pasted that here
Oct 24 19:14:25 <faz4> ravilov: the last question, I'll have one button which binds to one action listener and each form has it, can i get it's view and check which view has fired it  ?
Oct 24 19:14:51 <pieces029> tricknology__: I don't want activities. I have a Application class that I want loaded.
Oct 24 19:15:06 <tricknology__> ah sorry, misred
Oct 24 19:15:15 <pieces029> thanks though
Oct 24 19:15:58 <ravilov> faz4, not sure, I don't think there's a way to get a view's parent
Oct 24 19:16:31 <tricknology__> View.getParent().getClass().getName()?
Oct 24 19:16:33 <ravilov> you can always assign a custom ID to every button as you inflate it, then check for button.getId()
Oct 24 19:16:52 <ravilov> tricknology__, they will all be of the same class
Oct 24 19:16:57 <faz4> ravilov: you know something like html forms which we pass hidden id to a form so we can get which id has called the button.
Oct 24 19:17:07 <tricknology__> tag
Oct 24 19:17:16 <shaun413> thoughts on android studio?
Oct 24 19:17:18 <ravilov> faz4, yes I do, android apps are not html apps though
Oct 24 19:17:24 <shaun413> should I try it if im just starting out
Oct 24 19:17:25 <ravilov> or tags, yes
Oct 24 19:17:34 <ravilov> shaun413, sure
Oct 24 19:17:39 <shaun413> ok
Oct 24 19:17:49 <shaun413> i really dont like eclipse :/
Oct 24 19:18:04 <ravilov> ok
Oct 24 19:18:04 <tricknology__> I do
Oct 24 19:18:14 <tricknology__> at least for now
Oct 24 19:18:18 <faz4> ravilov , tricknology__ : thanks you really helped
Oct 24 19:18:29 <tricknology__> really? cool :)
Oct 24 19:18:36 <shaun413> i want to find a way to mount my one monitor vertically
Oct 24 19:19:07 <ravilov> ... just the right place to ask about this, huh?
Oct 24 19:19:20 <ravilov> unless that was just a random comment
Oct 24 19:19:32 <tricknology__> maybe hoping someone has done it?
Oct 24 19:20:17 <tricknology__> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mount+monitor+vertically
Oct 24 19:21:14 <tricknology__> I want 2 of these http://www.ergostoreonline.com/Dual-vertical-mount.aspx
Oct 24 19:21:32 <tricknology__> or one of these http://www.ergostoreonline.com/DIS-2-2.aspx
Oct 24 19:22:03 <JesusFreke> I want to replace all of those with a http://www.oculus.com/
Oct 24 19:22:06 <ravilov> or zero of these file:///dev/null
Oct 24 19:22:29 <ravilov> JesusFreke, what, just one?
Oct 24 19:22:49 <JesusFreke> I'm not sure how you would go about strapping multiple ones to your head
Oct 24 19:23:05 <JesusFreke> or how useful it would be
Oct 24 19:23:16 <JesusFreke> unless you happen to have eyes on the top/back of your head
Oct 24 19:23:17 <ravilov> maybe I have a different head for each day of the week :p
Oct 24 19:24:21 <JesusFreke> when the display resolution gets high enough, I think it will actually be feasible to use it instead of monitors. i.e. have some sort of simulated multi-monitor setup.
Oct 24 19:24:42 <tricknology__> why not this? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Google-Cardboard-Virtual-reality-Mobile-stereoscopic-Oculus-Rift-Durovis-Dive-vrase-3D/1977445899.html?af=ppc&isdl=y&src=Google&albch=Google&aff_short_key=6vYvMRFf&gclid=CJSPjIyCxsECFU5ufgodlgYAJg
Oct 24 19:24:46 <tricknology__> oh god :0
Oct 24 19:24:59 <ravilov> monitors? psh, try bare walls
Oct 24 19:25:06 <ravilov> all riddled with various command-line utils
Oct 24 19:25:28 <tricknology__> is that you ravilov from earlier who does not like the mouse?
Oct 24 19:25:35 <hackable> Hello friends...
Oct 24 19:25:42 <ravilov> tricknology__, correct
Oct 24 19:25:50 <ravilov> who says I'm serious about any of this? :p
Oct 24 19:26:17 <tricknology__> is this thing for real? http://tinyurl.com/lwjg5aj
Oct 24 19:26:46 <SuD> i think so, there was hype about that not long ago
Oct 24 19:26:55 <SimonVT> tricknology__: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.samples.apps.cardboarddemo
Oct 24 19:27:33 <hackable> need help, have a large json file... and i'm thinking of reading it and display in the Android UI, my question is... what's the best way to get it done, fetch it and assign it to a model or fetch it one after the other... also thinking if i should create different class and each class will be responsible to fetch there data from json... what do yu think guyz
Oct 24 19:28:37 <tricknology__> just make one big parser
Oct 24 19:28:57 <hackable> what's big parser?
Oct 24 19:29:13 <tricknology__> do you expect that your json data is goign to change much?
Oct 24 19:29:24 <ravilov> hackable, you only ever come in here when you need some sort of help, how about you contribute something back instead?
Oct 24 19:29:46 <hackable> Yes.. is going to change as user moving from one activity to another..
Oct 24 19:30:07 <tricknology__> I don’t even want to know
Oct 24 19:30:31 <hackable> Ravilov: i'm sorry for that... i do contribute
Oct 24 19:30:45 <hackable> Tricknology__ don't know what?
Oct 24 19:32:02 <hackable> actually, i'm using volley
Oct 24 19:32:38 <tricknology__> ok I have no idea about volley, my experience with JSON was to send data to a supercomputer and get calculated results back
Oct 24 19:33:30 <hackable> Sad!
Oct 24 19:35:32 <g00s> i think its weird volley never made it out of some dark corner in AOSP
Oct 24 19:36:09 <Mavrik> probably noone has time and will to maintain it publicly
Oct 24 19:36:12 <Mavrik> similar to ExoPlayer
Oct 24 19:36:40 <g00s> well, thats a red flag if ever :D
Oct 24 19:38:52 <rmnio> Hey guys. I got the bug in Google Developer Console which stops me from using some APIs in my app. I posted it on stackoverflow, G+ community, android-developers forum, but no result. What would you do?
Oct 24 19:44:16 <hackable> uhmmm..
Oct 24 19:44:49 <MarkyC> Is there an intent flag set when an Activity restarts because of a config change (rotation?)
Oct 24 19:46:16 <MarkyC> For example, I can check if an Activity was launched from the task manager with `(intent.getFlags() & Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_LAUNCHED_FROM_HISTORY) != 0`, but is there something like: FLAG_ACTIVITY_LAUNCHED_FROM_CONFIGURATION_CHANGE?
Oct 24 19:51:44 <icedp> So it turns out ScrollView cannot have GridView as I child. I need to have a small number 2-32 of ImageViews which scroll vertically with other views.. Do I need now to create GridLayout with 32 cells and inject ImageViews manually? It seems to be rather step behind after GridView. What options do I have?
Oct 24 20:05:24 <tricknology> gridlayout should work, icedp.  LinearLayout>ScrollView>GridLayout
Oct 24 20:10:13 <explodes> Can you @Inject (with Dagger, of course) into an Annotation...?
Oct 24 20:10:22 <JakeWharton> er, what?
Oct 24 20:10:40 <JakeWharton> explain yourself
Oct 24 20:11:54 <explodes> I want to make an annotation called @Bind(...keypath...) that binds the annotated function to a key path (dot-notation path of where a variable occurs in an API) but the API "controller" object needs to be created first, I was wonder if I could use injection to make that API object available
Oct 24 20:12:27 <explodes> *when that keypath's value gets updated, the function gets called with the changes
Oct 24 20:13:00 <jooles> Heyas
Oct 24 20:14:09 <jooles> Quick question: when porting a native app to android is it better to use the existing automake stuff with the NDK's "make-standalone-toolchain.sh" script, or to go through and add proper NDK makefiles alongside the autotools stuff?
Oct 24 20:14:46 <explodes> JakeWharton: What do you think, man?
Oct 24 20:15:02 <JakeWharton> I don't see how that's injecting into the annotation
Oct 24 20:15:21 <JakeWharton> seems like you just want to use the annotation's value to alter the injection
Oct 24 20:15:57 <explodes> not quite, there will be an instance of "Api" injected into the annotation
Oct 24 20:16:14 <explodes> the keypath parameter of the annotation determines what gets pull from the Api
Oct 24 20:16:36 <JakeWharton> annotations cannot have instances of objects
Oct 24 20:16:40 <JakeWharton> only value types can be used
Oct 24 20:16:44 <explodes> kk
Oct 24 20:16:48 <JakeWharton> (primitives, strings, class references)
Oct 24 20:17:00 <explodes> That answers my question
Oct 24 20:29:35 <Zikomos> Is there a way to listen for a URL fragment id change on a WebView (e.g. index.html -> index.html#fragment)? onPageStarted() only works for URLs that reload the page.
Oct 24 20:32:08 <jessie> How do you think Google's doing the hambuger to arrow animation?
Oct 24 20:32:43 <JacobTabak> jessie https://plus.google.com/+AndroidDevelopers/posts/D5xpUJt7x2m
Oct 24 20:32:51 <JacobTabak> http://developer.android.com/training/material/animations.html#AnimVector
Oct 24 20:34:11 <JacobTabak> not exactly sure what they do in appcompat with that api not available, its probably just animated frames
Oct 24 20:35:24 <jessie> JacobTabak: Awesome, thanks.
Oct 24 20:36:15 <literallycat> on glass: how do I get rid of the indicator at the bottom of a card scroll view like in this image: http://i.imgur.com/PPGwj4O.png
Oct 24 20:40:24 <SimonVT> I'd imagine they just draw lines in appcompat
Oct 24 20:40:25 <SimonVT> And do math
Oct 24 20:41:27 <icedp>  /quit
Oct 24 20:41:40 <ravilov> you quit
Oct 24 20:42:16 <JakeWharton> pfsh
Oct 24 20:42:17 <JakeWharton> math
Oct 24 20:42:20 <JakeWharton> so overrated
Oct 24 20:42:44 <skrite> any reason that this string from our api server cannot be converted to a JSONArray ? http://pastie.org/9673404
Oct 24 20:43:06 <Mavrik> because it's not an array.
Oct 24 20:43:51 <skrite> so it needs to be a JSONObject or somesuch?
Oct 24 20:44:28 <ravilov> seems reasonable
Oct 24 20:44:43 <Levite> can I use Android Studio to submit apps to the store currently?
Oct 24 20:44:48 <skrite> ok, thanks
Oct 24 20:45:00 <hackable> JakeWharton: i need help, have a large json file... and i'm thinking of reading it and display in the Android UI, my question is... what's the best way to get it done, fetch it and assign it to a model or fetch it one after the other... also thinking if i should create different class and each class will be responsible to fetch there data from json... what do yu think guyz
Oct 24 20:45:02 <Levite> because Eclipse is refusing to work
Oct 24 20:47:18 <Mavrik> what does the IDE have to do with the publish process?
Oct 24 20:53:48 <tricknology_> Ive never used eclipse to publish apps..
Oct 24 20:54:01 <tricknology_> you mean signing APKs?
Oct 24 20:54:42 <tricknology_> hackable, fetch the whole thing and create an object from it.. or an array of object
Oct 24 20:55:07 <tricknology_> depending on the size, maybe prefetch if you can predict what you’ll need
Oct 24 20:55:22 <tricknology_> (if your UI relies on the results)
Oct 24 21:01:01 <hackable> ok. thank
Oct 24 21:06:25 <mafiaboy> Hey , i used this " startActivity(new Intent("android.intent.action.MAIN"))" to go back to main activity, but it instead of going back to main activity shows options
Oct 24 21:10:46 <evanc> mafiaboy: a) that's starting every activity on the system which handles MAIN (everyone with a launcher icon) b) you probably want finish()
Oct 24 21:11:02 <evanc> offering to start*
Oct 24 21:11:17 <mafiaboy> finish(); should work ?
Oct 24 21:21:25 <gottaGO> save
Oct 24 21:21:44 <gottaGO> ( sorry wrong window )
Oct 24 21:22:30 * sq saves just in case
Oct 24 21:40:06 <helichopter> Hey guys, I'm trying to use android's built-in face detection. My phone supports face detection, but onFaceDetection() always receives a 0-length array of faces. Any idea why? Is it possible to detect faces with the back-camera?
Oct 24 21:44:10 <whatitis> paste some code, and your question(s) is/are kinda....
Oct 24 21:45:26 <whatitis> is this a human based face detection, or all faceable objects
Oct 24 21:52:21 <Odaym> I have a strange question
Oct 24 21:52:30 <Odaym> that's all.
Oct 24 21:53:48 <Odaym> no but seriously, is there a way I could find out how much time it takes between the moment where the code that runs "take picture" runs and the moment where the picture is taken is?
Oct 24 21:55:11 <Odaym> also can I be running a separate thread doing a certain task while I'm in camera mode?
Oct 24 22:02:13 <whatitis> cant you use time? and you can do seperate threads anytime you want
Oct 24 22:08:09 <Odaym> what about the camera thread acting upon something that came up in the other thread?
Oct 24 22:09:02 <Odaym> well the camera will be on the main thread
Oct 24 22:18:23 <improvnerd> Odaym: When you call takePicture, there's a shutter callback as well as a RAW and a JPEG callback. Between timing those and the time of the call to takePicture, you should be able to get what you need.
Oct 24 22:19:13 <Odaym> well I wouldn't know what to do with the amount of time if I got it, what I really need is to know whether I can catch an event at an exact moment
Oct 24 22:20:02 <Odaym> well I should be trying this instead of asking
Oct 24 22:20:46 <whatitis> yes, as your asking just leads to different questions
Oct 24 22:33:36 <perlsyntax> Hey all
Oct 25 00:04:22 <explodes> ayyy
Oct 25 00:19:38 <TacticalJoke> The Fonz?
Oct 25 00:27:22 <explodes> Yep!
Oct 25 00:28:51 <explodes> http://pastie.org/9673770 content_view has a zero-width after the activity's onCreate does a setContentView(R.layout.activity_main) This FrameLayout by all rights should be the full-size of the view... anything obviously wrong?
Oct 25 00:30:04 <explodes> This is from the project template with a DrawerLayout
Oct 25 00:31:51 <lasserix> does sqlite statement binding start at 0 or 1
Oct 25 00:31:59 <lasserix> and how do you do it with autoinc primary key
Oct 25 00:32:03 <lasserix> NULL, ?, ?
Oct 25 00:34:59 <whatitis> should prepare your question better
Oct 25 00:37:32 <whatitis> explodes, yes, oncreate doesnt say hey everything is computed
Oct 25 00:40:06 <jubjub> hey guys, my apps json file is local, thus when someone opens the app on a new device their information is lost. Can i upload the json file using google play services? or do i need a server?
Oct 25 00:43:35 <TacticalJoke> jubjub:  I googled and found this:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7109372/include-local-json-file-in-eclipse-android-project
Oct 25 00:45:02 <jubjub> this isnt the same thing TacticalJoke. What i mean is for example the json contains things specific to the user, if I use google+ login can i maintain that json, or do i require to upload/download from a server every time
Oct 25 00:45:18 <kuldeepdhaka> anyone used freetype or related library to draw text in JNI on GLSurfaceView? help regarding which version of opengl it support, and feedback about it
Oct 25 00:45:23 <pfn> google has a backup service
Oct 25 00:45:41 <kuldeepdhaka> (im using OpenGL ES 2.0)
Oct 25 00:46:44 <explodes> If I'm using DrawerLayout, do my fragments that go into that drawer need to be of type android.support.v4.app.Fragment?
Oct 25 00:47:10 <pfn> explodes, it can be whatever you want
Oct 25 00:47:21 <explodes> That's what I thought
Oct 25 00:49:59 <earational> hey
Oct 25 00:52:32 <explodes> What the crap mang
Oct 25 00:53:59 <explodes> when i replace a FrameLayout with a fragment using FragmentTransaction, the FrameLayout just becomes "the wrong color"
Oct 25 00:54:28 <explodes> FrameLayout is red by default, the new Fragment is green, but FrameLayout turns dark grey
Oct 25 01:00:16 <Agamemnus> help
Oct 25 01:00:29 <Agamemnus> https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/games/Player.html
Oct 25 01:00:41 <Agamemnus> how do I actually get the player id?
Oct 25 01:00:49 <Agamemnus> What is the code..?
Oct 25 01:03:16 <explodes> WHAT
Oct 25 01:03:24 <explodes> Do you mean the id of the Player in XML?
Oct 25 01:03:38 <Agamemnus> What?
Oct 25 01:03:43 <explodes> No of course not you mean the registered device id?
Oct 25 01:04:02 <Agamemnus> there is a getPlayerId()
Oct 25 01:04:05 <Agamemnus> but WHAT.getPlayerId() ?
Oct 25 01:05:44 <explodes> myPlayer
Oct 25 01:05:50 <explodes> myPlayer.getPlayerId()
Oct 25 01:05:51 <Agamemnus> How do I get myPlayer?
Oct 25 01:06:09 <explodes> idk man did you read the documentation or related tutorials?
Oct 25 01:06:16 <Agamemnus> no tutorials
Oct 25 01:06:21 <Agamemnus> docs are just an api listing
Oct 25 01:09:01 <explodes> God dammit, i've been working on this fragment bs for at least 3 hours now
Oct 25 01:09:15 <explodes> the whole project was supposed to take maybe 20
Oct 25 01:09:35 <whatitis> 20hrs, good time then
Oct 25 01:19:51 <RobertClarke> "We have reviewed your appeal and will not be reinstating your app. This decision is final and we will not be responding to any additional emails regarding this removal."
Oct 25 01:19:52 <RobertClarke> :'(
Oct 25 01:21:23 <whatitis> stop promoting badness
Oct 25 01:28:05 <TacticalJoke> RobertClarke:  What did you do wrong?
Oct 25 01:28:25 <RobertClarke> Not sure, have had the app up since last year, just randomly got taken down for spam keywords yesterday.
Oct 25 01:29:50 <zacts-> what is a good external bluetooth keyboard for android developers?
Oct 25 01:30:08 <zacts-> I need caps -> ctrl on the keyboard. and ctrl-[ or caps-[ sends escape
Oct 25 01:30:11 <zacts-> for vim
Oct 25 01:30:26 <zacts-> also, I need a keyboard that doesn't do: tttttthhhhiiiiiiiiiissss
Oct 25 01:32:54 <komandant> newbie dev here, how come there are no samples for api 21? do they usually ship later?
Oct 25 01:33:37 <whatitis> you sure?
Oct 25 01:38:34 <TacticalJoke> RobertClarke:  http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2k5z9s/this_is_how_google_kills_your_app/
Oct 25 01:39:10 <RobertClarke> Yup
Oct 25 01:39:16 <RobertClarke> That's $2k/mo out the window :/
Oct 25 01:39:17 <RobertClarke> fucking google
Oct 25 01:39:23 <RobertClarke> bends you over at every turn
Oct 25 01:39:27 <TacticalJoke> It's your third warning?
Oct 25 01:39:40 <RobertClarke> no
Oct 25 01:39:40 <RobertClarke> first
Oct 25 01:39:48 <TacticalJoke> Then you should be able to re-upload.
Oct 25 01:39:55 <RobertClarke> yeah
Oct 25 01:39:58 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Oct 25 01:40:00 <RobertClarke> I doubt it'll get to the same level it was at before
Oct 25 01:40:03 <TacticalJoke> Ya.
Oct 25 01:42:50 <TacticalJoke> Has anyone got Toolbar working well?  I've heard so many bug reports.
Oct 25 01:47:42 <komandant> i have the L preview samples, but there are no api 21 samples?
Oct 25 01:52:28 <kinch> heh, epiphany after seeing the overview of the android history at the end of lesson 1 of the udacity google course. The first letter of the "code names" is in alphabetical order so you don't have to memorize all those silly names to work out which version is older than which.
Oct 25 01:52:57 <kinch> a lot better than the OS X naming history
Oct 25 01:55:47 <AnkokuSeijin> Hi
Oct 25 01:56:27 <AnkokuSeijin> I've been wondering, is it possible to upgrade my Gingerbread to Jellybean? I have The Optimus Q
Oct 25 01:57:12 <JakeWharton> AnkokuSeijin: see #android
Oct 25 01:57:38 <AnkokuSeijin> JakeWharton: Thanks
Oct 25 02:08:04 <TacticalJoke> The new Google Play app shows the app icon on the Settings activity.
Oct 25 02:08:09 <TacticalJoke> Seems inconsistent with "material design".
Oct 25 02:13:49 <whatitis> is it updated?
Oct 25 02:28:02 <pfn> kinch, you only just realized?
Oct 25 02:38:35 <shaun413> hi
Oct 25 02:38:45 <shaun413> Im learning app dev and want a basic project to try
Oct 25 02:38:51 <shaun413> any ideas?, something simple
Oct 25 02:39:30 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: it's an evolution, not a hard switch. There's so much wrong and buggy about Play that they fix over the coming releases.
Oct 25 02:48:15 <ravilov> shaun413, not the best place to ask such questions, this is not exactly a place for noobs
Oct 25 02:48:30 <shaun413> heh
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