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Nov 07 03:00:14 <StuartWhelan> Hi Folks, my lan is running using the 10.0.2.0 network.. How can I get my emulator to access other hosts on my lan when the avd is running its own 10.0.2.0 network?
Nov 07 03:12:59 <StuartWhelan> Hi Folks, my lan is running using the 10.0.2.0 network.. How can I get my emulator to access other hosts on my lan when the avd is running its own 10.0.2.0 network? I tried using adb forward tcp:8080 <desthost>:8080
Nov 07 03:14:13 <OERIAS> here is new channel, #android-os ,everyone is welcomed to join.
Nov 07 03:14:42 <bankai_au> aren't there already too many android channels
Nov 07 03:15:22 <OERIAS> bankai_au, isn't there too many irc users?
Nov 07 03:16:26 <bankai_au> no
Nov 07 03:16:46 <yazdmich> so im locked out of my device (soft bricked), able to ADB in, i've backed up my storage partition, but i can't rm the problem app that softbricked it, because i can't escalate. i run su, but i get no root shell, no "permission denied", no "su not found", just another regular shell prompt
Nov 07 03:17:01 <bankai_au> yazdmich: wrong channel
Nov 07 03:17:08 <yazdmich> oops
Nov 07 03:18:07 <shmooz> we probably also need a #android-wear
Nov 07 03:18:27 <bankai_au> #android-wear-dev ?
Nov 07 03:18:38 <shmooz> yes
Nov 07 03:18:48 <shmooz> it's too different
Nov 07 03:20:25 <B0BBY> hey guys, I'm looking to make a picture gallery. Does anyone have any recommendations on what control to use? my current google search shows a listview is what people are using to implement image gallery
Nov 07 03:21:52 <shmooz> B0BBY: GridView is also popular for gallery
Nov 07 03:22:35 <shmooz> I will make app eventually give the user the choice of switching between ListView and GridView
Nov 07 03:23:24 <B0BBY> gridview, I see. let me google a bit on that too. :) thanks. I just thought there'd be a gallery control.
Nov 07 03:23:36 <AMrDan> Hello, how are you folks?! :-)
Nov 07 03:23:42 <B0BBY> I mean thre's cards, pages, papers, top action bar, bermuda triangle, there's gotta a gallery, heh.
Nov 07 03:24:53 <AMrDan> does somebody have a good android book to suggest?
Nov 07 03:25:35 <shmooz> B0BBY: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/Gallery.html
Nov 07 03:26:22 <B0BBY> shmooz: I saw that, but it's deprecated. heh, why build it in the app even.
Nov 07 03:26:44 <g00s> Zharf i'm going to write a guide for google "secrets to documenting your platform"
Nov 07 03:27:16 <B0BBY> or "slow down and don't release a huge platform every 6 months."
Nov 07 03:27:25 <shmooz> B0BBY: deprecated doesn't mean you shouldn't use it
Nov 07 03:27:37 <AMrDan> g00s, thats gonna be useful
Nov 07 03:28:10 <B0BBY> shmooz: yeah, but if tomorrow, they remove it altogether, I'd be up a sh|t creek trying to learn a new way to do it. with app in app store...
Nov 07 03:28:47 <shmooz> if deprecated hasn't been replaced by something better, use deprecated
Nov 07 03:29:22 <B0BBY> I see the logic in that, believe me. but gridview ain't so bad either or listview.
Nov 07 03:29:46 <shmooz> yeah, that's better, do it yourself
Nov 07 03:30:31 <B0BBY> heh, I'm starting to really understand why an app is really a "small team" thing vs. a single dev thing.
Nov 07 03:31:32 <shmooz> not because we are disagreeing about something I hope
Nov 07 03:31:46 <shmooz> and not really disagreeing
Nov 07 03:32:04 <B0BBY> no, I like dev input into how to tackle a situation. I'm just gonna need a web front.
Nov 07 03:32:34 <B0BBY> and I saw my friend's team do a proper web site, done by people who do web design for a living. not just a dev with html5/css2,3 experience.
Nov 07 03:32:46 <g00s> B0BBY you can also look at https://github.com/lucasr/twoway-view
Nov 07 03:33:08 <B0BBY> and it looks amazing when done by guys who're upto speed with bootstrap.js, jquery, etc etc.
Nov 07 03:33:13 <g00s> you'll probably want to not use listview or griview for this; probably something based on recyclerview
Nov 07 03:33:33 <B0BBY> g00s: thanks for the insignt, let me go check out the link.
Nov 07 03:33:42 <B0BBY> I'll potentially have 50+ or even 100+ images.
Nov 07 03:34:14 <g00s> thats ok, but dealing with bitmaps on android requires some special treatment
Nov 07 03:35:22 <B0BBY> I see. so far these will be jpegs, but the thing is each jpeg will be buried in a binary blob in a file. reading it out parsing it and displaying it.. I'm thinking it will be a big hit on performance.
Nov 07 03:37:10 <g00s> you'll have to see
Nov 07 03:37:10 <whatitis-> are these images retrieved from web or bundled within app?
Nov 07 03:38:38 <g00s> B0BBY shouldn't be too bad. you'll have to do a few things to ensure buttery performance
Nov 07 03:38:39 <B0BBY> both, local and web retrieved. once they're retrieved, they'll be stored locally. so next time, you're either viewing local ones or retrieving more and storing.
Nov 07 03:39:02 <B0BBY> g00s: I'm thinking asynctasks like crazy for sure.
Nov 07 03:39:07 <Afzal> o.O method tracing in java not working in Android 5.0 o.O
Nov 07 03:39:17 <Afzal> or my file system permissions are screwed up
Nov 07 03:39:23 <osipovas> B0BBY: look at the Picasso library
Nov 07 03:39:31 <JakeWharton> looks good to me
Nov 07 03:39:32 <whatitis-> why are they stored in binary blob/db?
Nov 07 03:39:51 <B0BBY> osipovas: oh interesting. let me google.
Nov 07 03:39:58 <osipovas> http://square.github.io/picasso/
Nov 07 03:40:30 <Afzal> oh my app probably needs the permission :/
Nov 07 03:40:34 <B0BBY> whatitis-: that's how the customer will have them. security by obscurity. they're just hidden in single files as blobs, along with additional image specific info.
Nov 07 03:42:23 <B0BBY> whatitis-: so it's not really meant to be secure. just not viewable outside the logged in session and outside of the app.
Nov 07 03:43:15 <B0BBY> osipovas: thanks. already viewing. :)
Nov 07 04:02:34 <g00s> just reading here, these Alpaca farmers are having a rough time. I have a plan! Google should hire them to write some documentation and do QA.
Nov 07 04:03:00 <g00s> http://modernfarmer.com/2014/11/alpaca-industry-matures-growing-pains/
Nov 07 04:03:58 <g00s> who knows, maybe they can even work on Play store to implement things like coupon codes
Nov 07 04:04:14 <g00s> as long as they get along with the hamsters
Nov 07 04:05:19 <g00s> the Alpacas can rotate from doing serious stuff to mowing the lawn
Nov 07 04:05:38 <g00s> i think the goats are going to have some competition
Nov 07 04:08:43 <bpe> <shmooz> we probably also need a #android-wear <- already one, but the few ppl are extremly silent
Nov 07 04:09:11 <g00s> i haven't seen anyone with a wear device yet
Nov 07 04:09:23 <bpe> i did
Nov 07 04:09:39 <bpe> but personal experience is not really relevant
Nov 07 04:09:44 <g00s> bpe are you around mountainview ?
Nov 07 04:09:52 <bpe> nop i'm in the south of france :)
Nov 07 04:10:05 <bpe> they did not even yet released moto360 or the new round LG watch R
Nov 07 04:10:07 <g00s> oh nice :)
Nov 07 04:10:13 <bpe> there is no market here i guess
Nov 07 04:18:22 <pfn> I haven't seen anyone with a wear device yet either
Nov 07 04:19:03 <bankai_au> i've seen one, a dude at work has one of those samsung tizen watch doobries
Nov 07 04:19:08 <B0BBY> ok, I"m liking recyclerview.
Nov 07 04:20:20 <pfn> I still have yet to try out recyclerview2
Nov 07 04:22:47 <pfn> I forget, does sqlite have foreign keys? and RI?
Nov 07 04:23:01 <g00s> RI ?
Nov 07 04:23:55 <g00s> yes, FK .. and enforced since froyo timeframe :)
Nov 07 04:31:26 <g00s> heh, i was going to get that free guide from google on Google Play Books - it won't let me until I enter a credit card. Even though its free
Nov 07 04:32:31 <Ioyrie> g00s: welcome to freemium
Nov 07 04:34:49 <B0BBY> there's a recyclerview2? ugh.
Nov 07 04:35:20 <g00s> no, only one
Nov 07 04:35:53 <B0BBY> the other guy mentioned 2.
Nov 07 04:36:19 <g00s> typo
Nov 07 04:37:11 <bpe> g00s, in pdf: http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/androiddevelopers/shareables/distribute/play_dev_guide_secrets_en.pdf
Nov 07 04:37:14 <g00s> although, the '2' key is really close to 'return' :P
Nov 07 04:37:26 <g00s> bpe yeah thanks
Nov 07 04:37:27 <bpe> but it's not transcendant at all
Nov 07 04:37:35 <bpe> it's for starters obviously
Nov 07 04:37:52 <B0BBY> hmm, cardview, listview, gridview, etc. lot of choices
Nov 07 04:37:53 <bpe> however the ui is great
Nov 07 04:38:02 <bpe> still things to learn for how they display stuff :)
Nov 07 04:38:29 <bpe> s/for/from/
Nov 07 04:56:38 <pfn> w2, close to each other
Nov 07 04:56:47 <pfn> obvious typo
Nov 07 05:09:05 <TacticalJoke> RecyclerView2: Judgement Day
Nov 07 05:09:40 <JakeWharton> RecyclerView 2: Recycle Harder
Nov 07 05:10:34 <B0BBY> judgement day? that sounds like a movie.
Nov 07 05:10:58 <JakeWharton> B0BBY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
Nov 07 05:11:41 <B0BBY> heh, that's hilarious.
Nov 07 05:11:54 <TacticalJoke> :D
Nov 07 05:12:27 <B0BBY> man, I hate it when I record a guitar piece all teh way thru and notice sub sections where timing is off.
Nov 07 05:12:38 <TacticalJoke> Man, I hate XML comments.  So ugly.
Nov 07 05:12:44 <B0BBY> I gotta sit thru an entire session again just recording the robotic rhythm bits.
Nov 07 05:13:00 <TacticalJoke> Whoa, we both used "man" as a mild interjection.
Nov 07 05:13:39 <B0BBY> :) altho, xml comments are probably more annoying than trying to record something without mistakes... even if I do 500 takes.
Nov 07 05:14:13 <TacticalJoke> I only play live (the piano), and I have to pretend my mistakes just didn't happen.
Nov 07 05:14:33 <JakeWharton> man, what are the odds
Nov 07 05:15:00 <B0BBY> well normally your "human touch" is what makes the piece enjoyable. it's just that when you have two guitar takes mirroring each other and one is slightly off in the rhythm, the entire thing sounds kludgy...
Nov 07 05:15:26 <B0BBY> so what kind of piano do you play?
Nov 07 05:15:48 <TacticalJoke> Given that will.i.am has sold records, I'm sure there's a way of fixing this with computers.
Nov 07 05:16:08 <TacticalJoke> Honestly?  I play mainly Disney songs nowadays.  I learned because of my niece.  lol
Nov 07 05:16:14 <TacticalJoke> Good arrangements, though.
Nov 07 05:16:18 <B0BBY> TacticalJoke: yeah, there is. cut the entire track into piece and slide them into sync with teh correct one. but I'm starting to dislike that approach.
Nov 07 05:16:27 <TacticalJoke> I used to play a lot of Chopin.
Nov 07 05:16:48 <B0BBY> chopin. so you're a real musician then!!
Nov 07 05:17:06 <TacticalJoke> This is one I play: http://youtu.be/BxTA6wn4qzI
Nov 07 05:17:08 <TacticalJoke> A Disney one.
Nov 07 05:17:25 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I used to have lessons and so on.
Nov 07 05:17:31 <B0BBY> for a guitarist, I spend too much time learning drums, bass, mixing, producing, electronic music, electro house, house, trance, etc. lol.
Nov 07 05:18:14 <TacticalJoke> I get out of practice all the time.  It gets depressing.
Nov 07 05:18:53 <B0BBY> lately, I have been enjoying playing the bass on my latest recording. I just need real bass and I remember how much I know nothing about bass.
Nov 07 05:19:02 <B0BBY> but I enjoy playing it so muchx still.
Nov 07 05:19:08 <TacticalJoke> You're all about that bass, huh.
Nov 07 05:19:17 <B0BBY> just the last two days. :)
Nov 07 05:19:30 <B0BBY> the bass been sitting idle for 3 years, lol.
Nov 07 05:19:41 <B0BBY> man, I love that playing on the piano.
Nov 07 05:20:03 <TacticalJoke> It's an addiction for me.
Nov 07 05:20:08 <B0BBY> what make is the piano?
Nov 07 05:21:04 <TacticalJoke> I have a Yamaha.
Nov 07 05:21:23 <B0BBY> very nice, really enjoyable. I have not developer the keyboard awareness to be able to smackdown on on octaves on the left hand.
Nov 07 05:21:26 <B0BBY> especially that fast.
Nov 07 05:21:55 <B0BBY> very nice, enjoyed it quite a bit.
Nov 07 05:22:16 <B0BBY> I have Yamaha p95. the cheapest I could find with the best reviews for realistic key weight/gradation.
Nov 07 05:22:23 <TacticalJoke> That's not me in the video, BTW.  That's just someone playing that piece I play.  :D
Nov 07 05:22:34 <TacticalJoke> IMO, I play it better, but I think he's probably a better player overall.
Nov 07 05:22:42 <B0BBY> ah, I thought it was one of your recordings.
Nov 07 05:22:48 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, the P95 is good enough for the basics, I think.
Nov 07 05:23:11 <B0BBY> I need real weight, so my practice would enable me to eventually move to a real piano. And a midi interface.
Nov 07 05:23:18 <B0BBY> didn't care for metronome, soundbanks, etc.
Nov 07 05:23:30 <whatitis-> p95 got that quadcore 3A battery?
Nov 07 05:23:35 <B0BBY> I have all the soft synths avaialble on the computer, etc.
Nov 07 05:23:39 <TacticalJoke> I have a P140 with really heavy keys.
Nov 07 05:23:50 <TacticalJoke> Way heavier than those of any real piano I've tried, I think.
Nov 07 05:24:18 <B0BBY> my fingers felt odd for a few days. now my casio "keyboard" feels like I might break it, if I really let loose
Nov 07 05:25:44 <B0BBY> it sucks to record something and really like it, mix it, master it, and a week later notice a mistake and then it keeps getting more and more noticeable.
Nov 07 05:25:57 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that must be annoying.
Nov 07 05:26:09 <B0BBY> and you have to re-record the entire instrument take. I have so many pieces that are just waiting for a re-take.
Nov 07 05:26:15 <TacticalJoke> I feel like that with my app's icon.  I made it weeks back, but it sucks.
Nov 07 05:26:21 <TacticalJoke> And it seems to suck more the more I look at it.
Nov 07 05:26:48 <B0BBY> yeah, some things your eyes get used to and your mind starts thinking of it as my rough project.
Nov 07 05:26:49 <TacticalJoke> I also need to make it "material".
Nov 07 05:26:54 <TacticalJoke> For we are living in a material world.
Nov 07 05:26:58 <B0BBY> heh
Nov 07 05:27:04 <whatitis-> tacticaljoke, you thoughts dont matter, its the user
Nov 07 05:27:15 <B0BBY> I hand drew all my app icons and really liked the idea of icons that look like they were sketched with a pencil.
Nov 07 05:27:24 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, the users would hate the icon, too.
Nov 07 05:27:34 <TacticalJoke> I'll spare them the displeasure and create something decent (I hope).  :D
Nov 07 05:27:42 <B0BBY> and in the end, I decided it wasn't as good as an icon set that looks more "pro"
Nov 07 05:27:44 <whatitis-> bah you dont know that as dev
Nov 07 05:27:58 <TacticalJoke> It's not the worst icon ever, but it's not great.
Nov 07 05:28:11 <B0BBY> so I re-drew them using shapes in my graphics app.
Nov 07 05:28:26 <TacticalJoke> As a human, I feel I can speak on behalf of the rest of my species when I say that nobody will like this icon very much.
Nov 07 05:28:43 <B0BBY> snapchat icon sucks. and they're valued at 10billion.
Nov 07 05:28:52 <B0BBY> tons of icons suck. you just need users.
Nov 07 05:28:55 <whatitis-> Basically,  what you like .01% of users will hate or like. but thats all that it takes with thinking your thoughts matter to the world. its hard
Nov 07 05:29:43 <TacticalJoke> B0BBY:  God, you're right.  That icon is horrible.
Nov 07 05:29:49 <TacticalJoke> Looks like a teenager made it in MS Paint.
Nov 07 05:30:04 <TacticalJoke> whatitis-:  A bad icon is a bad icon.  As the guy who created the icon, I can assure you that it sucks.
Nov 07 05:30:05 <B0BBY> heh, there you go.
Nov 07 05:30:33 <whatitis-> the internet opens up a whole new audience, but you have to accept that you dont have to be keen to 1 person out of billions
Nov 07 05:30:46 <whatitis-> post it
Nov 07 05:30:50 <TacticalJoke> I used to put George Bush's head onto babies' bodies in Photoshop, though, so I think I can snap something up.
Nov 07 05:30:51 <B0BBY> do you guys try to push out apps that can get lot of users? or are you both more the "developer for hire" type..
Nov 07 05:31:32 <TacticalJoke> I've not released an Android app yet, and I probably won't charge for anything I release.
Nov 07 05:31:41 <TacticalJoke> I'm hoping to make a really good Reddit client.  No ads, of course.
Nov 07 05:31:54 <whatitis-> you make apps for yourself, if very few cant understand it, then they went down the wrong road
Nov 07 05:32:18 <B0BBY> I have released one free one. had like 50-100 downloads. had all 5-starts reviews (all 6 of them).
Nov 07 05:32:35 <B0BBY> two weeks later, I stopped using it and basically supporting it, lol.
Nov 07 05:33:06 <B0BBY> but at least I have a developer account setup. Unfortunately, google is too strange to let me use the same account to push out a chrome extension.
Nov 07 05:33:19 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I set mine up the other week.
Nov 07 05:33:21 <B0BBY> they need a separate 5 dollar fee to verify identity from teh same account for chrome web store.
Nov 07 05:33:22 <TacticalJoke> Was kinda exciting.
Nov 07 05:33:55 <B0BBY> I mean the account is already verified. Just let me push out a chrome extension. it's not like 5 dollar fee is really gonna make google any serious change.
Nov 07 05:34:22 <whatitis-> tacticaljoke, if your idea gives you the experience you wanted, charge others to experience your hardwork
Nov 07 05:34:39 <B0BBY> and chrome won't install packaged extensions outside of web store.
Nov 07 05:35:50 <B0BBY> whatitis-: so you release any apps?
Nov 07 05:36:47 <whatitis-> I have in the past yes, and incurred quite a bit of income. hoping todo the same with more apps
Nov 07 05:36:55 <TacticalJoke> whatitis-:  http://i.imgur.com/DDLmIDU.png
Nov 07 05:37:03 <JesusFreke> "incurred" - lol
Nov 07 05:37:06 <whatitis-> haha
Nov 07 05:37:07 <JesusFreke> you make it sound like a burden
Nov 07 05:37:15 <B0BBY> whatitis-: nice, enough to replace your main income? or just as side income?
Nov 07 05:37:25 <whatitis-> incurred means got results
Nov 07 05:37:32 <TacticalJoke> whatitis-:  Do you agree that the icon sucks?
Nov 07 05:37:37 <whatitis-> ive made over 30k
Nov 07 05:37:49 <B0BBY> yeah I call that serious incurring.
Nov 07 05:38:08 <whatitis-> that icon is fine if dealing with a dice result
Nov 07 05:38:31 <B0BBY> so what was your app?
Nov 07 05:38:34 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, there's a dice thing going on in that app.  I guess I can't say too much in case someone takes my idea and makes a better version of it before I release.  :D
Nov 07 05:38:47 <B0BBY> and what kind of revenue model did you pursue in incurring said profits!!
Nov 07 05:38:59 <TacticalJoke> That red action bar is yucky.  That's just the product of me trying random colours this evening.
Nov 07 05:39:23 <B0BBY> TacticalJoke: lol, again! snapchat. even if someone has an app, you can make it again with a crappier icon AND slight change and make tons.
Nov 07 05:39:24 <whatitis-> the icon is fine, if by viewing it they realize and associate your apps idea
Nov 07 05:40:16 <whatitis-> my app was a root driven model. gave ability to use those options
Nov 07 05:40:18 <B0BBY> tbh, the icon is just fine.
Nov 07 05:41:39 <TacticalJoke> I don't know how best to do icons.  Should I start with the largest one and auto-scale down?  Or start with medium?
Nov 07 05:41:44 <TacticalJoke> Or something else?
Nov 07 05:41:56 <TacticalJoke> (In Photoshop, I mean.)
Nov 07 05:42:07 <B0BBY> lol, I just make a png that looks halfway decent and let eclipse/android resize it.
Nov 07 05:42:08 <whatitis-> tacticaljoke, you start large then work down
Nov 07 05:42:39 <whatitis-> optimizing/changing detail as getting lower
Nov 07 05:42:46 <B0BBY> my current app, I'm just doing 138x138 icons. because that was teh default grid size in my drawing app.
Nov 07 05:43:14 <whatitis-> 512 is what is needed for market, then work down
Nov 07 05:43:32 <whatitis-> for launcher
Nov 07 05:43:58 <whatitis-> as for any other icons you follow density
Nov 07 05:44:10 <TacticalJoke> We also need that new image for the market.
Nov 07 05:44:13 <TacticalJoke> I forget the size.
Nov 07 05:44:44 <B0BBY> ic_launcher for my app already release was just 100x100.
Nov 07 05:44:44 <whatitis-> its not as much as icon as graphic for that larger one
Nov 07 05:44:46 <B0BBY> png file.
Nov 07 05:48:13 <whatitis-> 100x100 sounds more towards xhdpi, but still have todo 512x512 for ps, then larger for whatever they are wanting
Nov 07 05:48:57 <B0BBY> yeah, I'm glad they have a do 1,2,3,...n steps before releasing. who can really keep track of it all heh
Nov 07 06:00:29 <kamol> how to recreate view in Fragment?
Nov 07 06:03:53 <JacobTabak> yo
Nov 07 06:05:26 <JacobTabak> is there any documentation on why i can't set a view's visibility to GONE when it's animating
Nov 07 06:11:16 <JakeWharton> what kind of animation?
Nov 07 06:11:24 <JakeWharton> old style it'll stay visible until it completes
Nov 07 06:11:31 <JakeWharton> new style it'll gone right away
Nov 07 06:23:31 <JacobTabak> ok maybe I need to change teh way I load it
Nov 07 06:23:54 <JacobTabak> I'm loading from an xml resource so I guess I was using the old way
Nov 07 06:24:10 <JakeWharton> you can use new-style in xml
Nov 07 06:24:12 <JacobTabak> (it's an endless animation, a custom indeterminite progressbar)
Nov 07 06:24:16 <JakeWharton> you just need to use animator instead of animation
Nov 07 06:24:22 <JacobTabak> cool, good to know
Nov 07 06:24:24 <JacobTabak> thanks
Nov 07 06:24:26 <JakeWharton> and res/animation/ instead of res/anim/
Nov 07 06:24:29 <JakeWharton> (i think)
Nov 07 06:24:30 <whatitis-> or give details of how you are doing it. there are listeners. setting gone while animating is...
Nov 07 06:24:32 <JacobTabak> animator or something
Nov 07 06:24:48 <JacobTabak> it is what
Nov 07 06:25:48 <whatitis-> it is moot to set a view gone while animating if said view is the one animating
Nov 07 06:26:35 <JacobTabak> not sure what you mean but i'll be ok i think
Nov 07 06:27:30 <whatitis->  your question was how to set a view to visibility gone while animating, duh
Nov 07 06:27:58 <JacobTabak> that actually wasn't my question
Nov 07 06:28:03 <whatitis-> not finished animating but while
Nov 07 06:28:08 <whatitis-> you said it...
Nov 07 06:28:20 <whatitis-> so ask better questions?
Nov 07 06:28:28 <JacobTabak> i got a perfect answer immediately without clarifying bud
Nov 07 06:28:39 <whatitis-> haha
Nov 07 06:29:11 <JacobTabak> my question was - is there documentation on why you can't
Nov 07 06:29:49 <JacobTabak> and not sure why you think it would be moot to set a view that's animating to gone, i quite often set indeterminite progressbar's visibility to gone
Nov 07 06:29:56 <JacobTabak> which is what i'm doing here -.o
Nov 07 06:34:26 <whatitis-> you set it gone while animating?
Nov 07 06:34:52 <JakeWharton> setting it to gone is extremely common
Nov 07 06:35:04 <JakeWharton> you start a fade and set it to gone
Nov 07 06:35:10 <whatitis-> if so then that view isnt relevant to your broad while animating question, as its simple
Nov 07 06:35:21 <whatitis-> while or when done?
Nov 07 06:35:28 <JakeWharton> before
Nov 07 06:35:42 <whatitis-> then while isnt relevant
Nov 07 06:35:49 <JakeWharton> it's the same thing
Nov 07 06:35:51 <whatitis-> its gone before
Nov 07 06:35:55 <whatitis-> no
Nov 07 06:36:00 <JakeWharton> yes
Nov 07 06:36:18 <whatitis-> so you constanlty set gone while animating
Nov 07 06:36:26 <whatitis-> makes sense
Nov 07 06:36:57 <JakeWharton> i have no idea what the fuck you say 100% of the time
Nov 07 06:37:00 <JacobTabak> ^
Nov 07 06:37:08 <JacobTabak> but you are argumentative so you've got that going for you
Nov 07 06:37:21 <JakeWharton> i'm now convinced you are a turing test
Nov 07 06:37:42 <whatitis-> its simple. setting gone before an animation has 0 todo with while animating, as its gone before animating?
Nov 07 06:38:23 <JakeWharton> no they're exactly the same because visibility changes won't take effect until animations complete
Nov 07 06:38:37 <whatitis-> hahah
Nov 07 06:38:37 <JakeWharton> so whether you set it to gone and start an animation immediately or set it while one is playing the behavior is the same
Nov 07 06:38:51 <whatitis-> and youve seen his code?
Nov 07 06:38:56 <JakeWharton> his, no
Nov 07 06:39:07 <JakeWharton> but i'm extremely familiar with View.java's code dealing with this behavior
Nov 07 06:39:18 <JakeWharton> i wrote an entire library around it, actually
Nov 07 06:39:43 <whatitis-> exactly, im guessing as much as you are. there is a before an animation, a while an animation and a complete of it
Nov 07 06:40:35 <JakeWharton> yeah o
Nov 07 06:40:36 <JakeWharton> kl
Nov 07 06:40:50 <TacticalJoke> whatitis- is an AI experiment.
Nov 07 06:41:16 <whatitis-> my main question I slowly got to was, he didnt show anything, and to speculate that he couldnt set gone while an animation was hard to judge
Nov 07 06:41:36 <JacobTabak> i dont even get why this conversation is still happening
Nov 07 06:41:40 <JakeWharton> me neither
Nov 07 06:41:59 <JakeWharton> where's g00s to derail the conversation
Nov 07 06:42:14 <g00s> right here :)
Nov 07 06:42:20 * g00s derails
Nov 07 06:42:26 <whatitis-> g00s we need a link while animating! :)
Nov 07 06:42:28 <JakeWharton> now's about the time when you link Amazon Echo
Nov 07 06:43:03 <TacticalJoke> A la prochaine.
Nov 07 06:43:42 <JacobTabak> i like double tap to wake
Nov 07 06:43:44 <g00s> here you go http://dcurt.is/amazon-has-no-taste
Nov 07 06:43:45 <JacobTabak> its a good thing
Nov 07 06:45:12 <JacobTabak> ialreadyknewgurl~
Nov 07 06:46:23 <JacobTabak> so the sad thing about my nexus 9
Nov 07 06:46:29 <JacobTabak> is i'll probably never pick it up once i get lollipop on my phone
Nov 07 06:47:17 <gordon_> he
Nov 07 06:47:21 <JakeWharton> she
Nov 07 06:47:27 <gordon_> what happen with nexus 9 ?
Nov 07 06:47:35 <gordon_> damn I cant read
Nov 07 06:47:36 <gordon_> now I get it
Nov 07 06:48:17 <gordon_> JakeWharton: sorry in english it's "huh?" ;)
Nov 07 06:49:31 <whatitis-> so jacobtabak, minus my sidetracking were you able to set a view to gone while its animating?
Nov 07 06:49:45 <JacobTabak> i was able to before I asked
Nov 07 06:49:56 <JacobTabak> I just wonder if there was a reason or documentation on why it didn't work by default
Nov 07 06:49:59 <whatitis-> Before?
Nov 07 06:50:12 <JacobTabak> I didn't ask how to do it, I asked why it didn't work automatically
Nov 07 06:51:05 <whatitis-> you said you couldnt, I think thats why im so misunderstood,  as the questions I question arent questions :/
Nov 07 06:51:42 <JacobTabak> i just override setVisibility on my custom view to stop the animation on GONE and restart it on VISIBLE...
Nov 07 06:52:17 <gordon_> JacobTabak: hack
Nov 07 06:52:18 <whatitis-> well to stop the animation isnt setting it while animating :/
Nov 07 06:52:37 <whatitis-> guess it is, but its more of how to stop animating
Nov 07 06:52:44 <JacobTabak> well as jake said i could use an animator rather than an anim
Nov 07 06:52:49 <JacobTabak> but i already had this in place and it works fine
Nov 07 06:54:16 <JacobTabak> gordon_ i never hack P:
Nov 07 06:55:01 <gordon_> said no one, never
Nov 07 07:02:38 <kamol> JakeWharton: I am recalling galleryDatabase.loadGallery (API) & cache is diabled. It works - gives updated data. However, View remain the same… Something wrong with GalleryAdapter?
Nov 07 07:03:22 <JakeWharton> no, it's just a plain, boring adapter
Nov 07 07:05:53 <kamol> JakeWharton: do you think I should recreate view of fragment in this case?
Nov 07 07:06:26 <JakeWharton> i mean, i don't know anything about your app or what you are trying to accomplish. but i can tell that solution is almost always the wrong answer.
Nov 07 07:09:14 <kamol> JakeWharton: agree
Nov 07 07:09:38 <whatitis-> just a question jakewharton, do you have to say no to fragments based on your company?
Nov 07 07:10:00 <JakeWharton> of course not
Nov 07 07:10:08 <JakeWharton> but i was the first to abandon them at Square
Nov 07 07:10:11 <whatitis-> k :)
Nov 07 07:11:09 <JakeWharton> i say no based on my personal intolerance for their blatant inferiority in which i was immersed for far too long
Nov 07 07:11:42 <whatitis-> thats cool
Nov 07 07:12:13 <ObrienDave> long winded way to say "I had enough of their crap" lol
Nov 07 07:13:00 <gordon_> JakeWharton: so how do you reuse ui for tablets ?
Nov 07 07:13:07 <whatitis-> im all for using what you find works, its hard though to self evaluate and make the change. unless hardcore, which you seem to be
Nov 07 07:13:14 <JakeWharton> views, of course
Nov 07 07:13:20 <JakeWharton> views are the fundamental re-usable component
Nov 07 07:13:22 <JakeWharton> API 1
Nov 07 07:13:48 <JakeWharton> fragments are just management containers around a view that are tied to a lifecycle
Nov 07 07:14:14 <JakeWharton> nothing you can't replace with your own containers (if you choose)
Nov 07 07:14:30 <kamol> JakeWharton: one more question, if you don’t mind. in my app GalleryView is the same as in U2020. However, when user click on item a new activity(edit form) will appear. After save, the edit form will close and GalleryView (Fragment) will resume. Maybe because of onResume() GalleryView doesn’t updated?
Nov 07 07:15:42 <JakeWharton> it probably doesn't, yes. the UI of u2020 is pretty much just me throwing something together. u2020 was meant to showcase internal architecture, not UI
Nov 07 07:15:45 <gordon_> JakeWharton: so instead of adding fragment you simply add View to activity ?
Nov 07 07:16:15 <JakeWharton> gordon_: that's all fragments are doing
Nov 07 07:16:35 <gordon_> havent looked at sources, actually, must trust here :)
Nov 07 07:16:36 <JakeWharton> we have a few varieties of our own fragment-like abstraction
Nov 07 07:16:55 <JakeWharton> the concept of fragment is sound, the implementation is where i take issue
Nov 07 07:17:08 <gordon_> well, if you use your own solution backbutton doesnt work
Nov 07 07:17:13 <JakeWharton> yes it does
Nov 07 07:17:20 <JakeWharton> how do you think the back button works with fragments?
Nov 07 07:17:39 <gordon_> will it uncommit view on back button press ?
Nov 07 07:17:53 <JakeWharton> yes
Nov 07 07:18:49 <gordon_> I wanted to wrtie that you must have more code to do that
Nov 07 07:19:00 <gordon_> but when I think about it not that much
Nov 07 07:19:14 <gordon_> override method and remove view
Nov 07 07:19:37 <kamol> JakeWharton: thank you for your answers. Let me think what I am doing wrongly
Nov 07 07:19:46 <gordon_> at least you dont have to deal with nested fragments ;)
Nov 07 07:23:06 <JakeWharton> gordon_: our solution is infinitely nestable
Nov 07 07:23:28 <JakeWharton> We have nesting 3-5 layers usually
Nov 07 07:24:19 <JacobTabak>  do you use dialogfragments?
Nov 07 07:24:22 <JacobTabak> :D
Nov 07 07:24:51 <JacobTabak> oh wait
Nov 07 07:24:53 <JacobTabak> you don't use dialogs right
Nov 07 07:25:35 <JakeWharton> right, no dialogs
Nov 07 07:26:25 <JakeWharton> the presence or absence of a dialog overlay is just a state that the normal UI can be in and it's persisted like everything else
Nov 07 07:27:50 <JacobTabak> yeah but they're pretty convenient
Nov 07 07:28:11 <JacobTabak> alert dialog builder
Nov 07 07:28:14 <JacobTabak> is a nice class
Nov 07 07:30:07 <JakeWharton> that's not hard to recreate
Nov 07 07:30:35 <JakeWharton> i would argue ours is nicer because we only support a small subset of the display options of an AlertDialog
Nov 07 07:30:59 <JacobTabak> yeah and alertdialogs are impossible to style
Nov 07 07:31:02 <JacobTabak> the buttons
Nov 07 07:31:28 <JakeWharton> indeed. when we did use dialogs they were always a re-implementation of the native one.
Nov 07 07:31:31 <JacobTabak> but, for the average developer, it's just a really nice time-saver without having to reinvent the wheel
Nov 07 07:31:54 <JakeWharton> true, but a dialog is a function of the library, not a burden on the app developer in our case
Nov 07 07:32:01 <JakeWharton> no different than how it's presented in Android
Nov 07 07:32:35 <JacobTabak> well then open source this library !
Nov 07 07:32:42 <g00s> whoa , never knew there was such a thing as beer concentrate
Nov 07 07:32:48 <JakeWharton> i would like to
Nov 07 07:33:02 <JakeWharton> it's more like a collection of classes than a library currently
Nov 07 07:33:03 <g00s> no, first comes the database rx one
Nov 07 07:33:12 <JakeWharton> g00s: that one is even far less baked
Nov 07 07:34:25 <SoreGums> anyone got a OnePlus One invite please?
Nov 07 07:38:01 <Mavrik> mornin people
Nov 07 07:39:09 <Mavrik> *sigh* for the life of me I can't get my brain around theming and styling system
Nov 07 07:39:15 <g00s> hey Mavrik
Nov 07 07:39:20 <sarbs> SoreGums you ready?
Nov 07 07:39:25 <sarbs> https://account.oneplus.net/invite/claim/VZA7-K3H0-VGB9-EVLL
Nov 07 07:39:33 <SoreGums> thx
Nov 07 07:40:26 <g00s> Mavrik its like an octopus
Nov 07 07:40:36 <g00s> everything is a reference to something else :)
Nov 07 07:40:40 <Mavrik> yes indeed
Nov 07 07:41:10 <g00s> 'oh, i'll copy that style into my app' ... 100 lines xml, 12 files later
Nov 07 07:41:18 <Mavrik> XML's are fine
Nov 07 07:41:31 <Mavrik> I was trying to inject a style into a custom view without having to inherit theme from the app
Nov 07 07:41:46 <JakeWharton> tempted to snipe that OnePlus
Nov 07 07:41:50 <Mavrik> since some moron disabled scrollbar generation unless android:scrollbar XML parameter is set at construction time -_-
Nov 07 07:41:53 <JakeWharton> i'm logged in and everything...
Nov 07 07:42:16 <Mavrik> yeah me too, too bad I should really get a Note3 for testing
Nov 07 07:42:26 <g00s> sarbs if you have any more invites, canadiancow needed one
Nov 07 07:42:36 <sarbs> that was my last one
Nov 07 07:42:42 <sarbs> i'll ask @ work tomorrow
Nov 07 07:48:17 <JacobTabak> how does that thing compare to nexus 6 (aside from being cheaper)
Nov 07 07:48:51 <SoreGums> JacobTabak: a bit smaller as well?
Nov 07 07:48:57 <JacobTabak> oh yeah of course
Nov 07 07:49:03 <JacobTabak> but performance wise
Nov 07 07:49:12 <SoreGums> should be similar
Nov 07 07:49:15 <sarbs> it's very fast
Nov 07 07:49:39 <sarbs> don't know anything about the nex6 but the oneplus matches the LG G3 and other flagships
Nov 07 07:49:46 <JacobTabak> when will it get 5.0?
Nov 07 07:49:53 <sarbs> too big for my taste
Nov 07 07:50:22 <sarbs> not today or tomorrow ;)
Nov 07 07:50:45 <sarbs> but i'd wager it gets 5.0 before the S3 does.
Nov 07 07:50:50 <SoreGums> clocked started ticking down form the release on 5.0 (90days they reckon)
Nov 07 07:51:19 <g00s> my lumia 521 got windows phone 8.1 today \o/
Nov 07 07:51:30 <g00s> best $69 evar
Nov 07 07:51:48 <sarbs> i wanted to like windows phone.. i really did
Nov 07 07:51:57 <g00s> problem is the apps :(
Nov 07 07:52:00 <JacobTabak> if only java had optional parameters
Nov 07 07:52:03 <g00s> good thing i don't use apps :)
Nov 07 07:52:32 <g00s> except for the Here Maps, Here Drive. outlook, ie, about it
Nov 07 07:52:50 <Ashiren> does it make phone calls?
Nov 07 07:53:00 <g00s> has great sound quality, yes :)
Nov 07 07:53:03 <Ashiren> :O
Nov 07 07:53:07 <JacobTabak> thats one thing i dont do on my phone
Nov 07 07:53:16 <JacobTabak> make my phone calls thru hangouts on my computer :O
Nov 07 07:56:04 <ravilov> well aren't you fancy :p
Nov 07 07:56:13 <JakeWharton> JacobTabak: that's what overloading is for
Nov 07 07:56:25 <JacobTabak> yeah that's not convenient at all
Nov 07 07:56:30 <JacobTabak> compared to optional parameters!
Nov 07 07:56:39 <ravilov> you also have varargs
Nov 07 07:56:46 <JacobTabak> that's not helpful for stuff like view constructors
Nov 07 07:56:53 <JacobTabak> or parameters of different types
Nov 07 07:57:00 <JacobTabak> imagine if all views just had 1 constructor
Nov 07 07:57:01 <ravilov> make them all Object
Nov 07 07:57:06 <JacobTabak> yeah thats good programming
Nov 07 07:57:06 <JacobTabak> lol
Nov 07 07:57:12 <g00s> Object...
Nov 07 07:57:21 <ravilov> or else just stop complaining
Nov 07 07:57:32 <JacobTabak> go eat some gingerbread ravioli
Nov 07 07:57:36 <g00s> ha
Nov 07 07:57:58 <ravilov> easy to dismiss people, isn't it
Nov 07 07:58:58 <JacobTabak> you say that as if you didn't come out of the woodwork to talk shit
Nov 07 07:59:29 <Tomaz^W> Anyone here good at Eclipse? I'm trying to figure out how to add .cpp files to a project without it copying them to the jni folder, I already have folder with all my source that is shared by several other platforms and I want to avoid having a copy of all files just because of Android. I tried adding the folder as a "linked folder" and they did show up in the project, but I guess the main
Nov 07 07:59:29 <Tomaz^W> problem is, how do I get Eclipse to update Android.mk to include these files in the build?
Nov 07 07:59:46 <sarbs> now i'm really hungry for ravioli
Nov 07 08:00:36 <capella> mmmmmmm .... ravioli ...
Nov 07 08:00:44 <ravilov> JacobTabak, I don't know what you're talking about, but just go ahead, whatever works for you
Nov 07 08:00:49 <capella> and bacon ...
Nov 07 08:00:53 <g00s> sarbs i think this is the second time you got ravioli-vision
Nov 07 08:01:12 <sarbs> might be
Nov 07 08:01:16 <sarbs> i like ravioli
Nov 07 08:01:51 <g00s> omg http://allrecipes.com/recipe/bacon-stuffed-ravioli/
Nov 07 08:02:21 <g00s> now i'm hungry too damn it
Nov 07 08:06:29 <ravilov> go make some
Nov 07 08:08:07 <JacobTabak> if i could eat anything right now
Nov 07 08:08:12 <JacobTabak> it'd be a big old slice of pizza
Nov 07 08:10:59 <ravilov> you like old pizza? ew
Nov 07 08:12:38 <JacobTabak> oops thats not what i meant!
Nov 07 08:12:43 <JacobTabak> i meant a big ol' slice of pizza
Nov 07 08:18:00 <g00s> ugh; i hate these refactors like - yeha, this all has to go
Nov 07 08:18:47 <tgc> sorry to repeat the question, but I hope someone here can help me: I would like to know if it is possible in the play store under geo restriction to restrict to "(The) Faroe Islands". I'm unsure if it is listed...
Nov 07 08:23:22 <Unknown0BC> greetings humans
Nov 07 08:24:22 <Unknown0BC> I am trying to emulate a device bootup ( for an autostart activity ) but my nexus 7 emulator just hangs and hangs when I try make it do a power down.
Nov 07 08:24:40 <Unknown0BC> It just says "shutting down" forever.
Nov 07 08:25:09 <Unknown0BC> Is that "normal"...
Nov 07 08:26:15 <g00s> cool http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920035053.do
Nov 07 08:26:17 <ravilov> power down never worked in any emulator
Nov 07 08:26:47 <Unknown0BC> No reboot either then... ?
Nov 07 08:27:09 <ravilov> nope
Nov 07 08:27:31 <Unknown0BC> oh well back to making my poor real device freeze up then.
Nov 07 08:27:33 <Unknown0BC> :\
Nov 07 08:27:39 <Unknown0BC> thanks for the input.
Nov 07 08:28:40 <ravilov> if you're interested in BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast, I think there is a way of simulating that
Nov 07 08:28:40 <Unknown0BC> Actually maybe you know why I have this problem. I wrote a program before which gave the user the option to autostart at bootup.
Nov 07 08:28:53 <Odaym> hey nice find, g00s
Nov 07 08:28:56 <Odaym> Im going to buy it
Nov 07 08:29:16 <g00s> Odaym hm, ready in sometime 2015 ....
Nov 07 08:29:20 <Unknown0BC> ravilov, but it autostarted a service.
Nov 07 08:29:38 <Odaym> you can still buy it now
Nov 07 08:29:42 <Unknown0BC> Now I used the same code but just try to autostart a simple activity, but it freezes the device.
Nov 07 08:30:10 * Unknown0BC frowns
Nov 07 08:30:38 <Unknown0BC> ( actually I can still shell to it, but the interface freezes )
Nov 07 08:31:59 <Unknown0BC> I can confirm that the bootcompleted receiver is called at device bootup completed.
Nov 07 08:32:12 <Unknown0BC> Then I simply call a almost blank activity
Nov 07 08:33:04 <Unknown0BC> at onReceive
Nov 07 08:33:32 <Odaym> boot completed is called when the boot ....is complete?!
Nov 07 08:33:35 <Odaym> that's just absurd
Nov 07 08:34:08 <Unknown0BC> Intent activityIntent = new Intent(context, SimpleBlankActivity.class);
Nov 07 08:34:26 <Unknown0BC> context.startActivity(activityIntent);
Nov 07 08:34:31 <Unknown0BC> but it will not call it.
Nov 07 08:34:53 <Unknown0BC> I can confirm that onReceive is called at device boot completed.
Nov 07 08:36:42 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, adb shell stop, followed by adb shell start
Nov 07 08:37:38 <Unknown0BC> ravilov, for the emulator ?
Nov 07 08:39:30 <ravilov> for anything
Nov 07 08:40:38 <Unknown0BC> My internet is so crappy today. Monday i'm switching service providers :)
Nov 07 08:42:02 <Unknown0BC> ravilov, cool
Nov 07 08:42:26 <ravilov> from what I heard, a lot of US/CAN ISPs have issues right now
Nov 07 08:42:33 <ravilov> reason largely unknown
Nov 07 08:43:35 <Darklust> ravilov: It's Cthulhu
Nov 07 08:43:46 <Unknown0BC> solar flares ? or unexplained phenomena.
Nov 07 08:43:46 <ravilov> probably
Nov 07 08:43:51 <ravilov> to both
Nov 07 08:48:21 <Unknown0BC> ghosts and goblins
Nov 07 09:01:23 <Mavrik> hmm, Material doesn't use actionbar icon anymore as a design aspect?
Nov 07 09:11:03 <Click66> Is there any way to set the build order of libraries in Android Studio? (in Eclipse this is possible)
Nov 07 09:11:54 <danijoo> Click66: I think gradle does it "on demand" depending on their dependencies
Nov 07 09:12:48 <danijoo> you can try to change the order in the root's build.gradle though.
Nov 07 09:12:55 <danijoo> dont know if this has an effect
Nov 07 09:21:17 <Click66> danijoo: these libs aren't gradle dependencies it are eclipse projects added as project. ( not possible it's a sdk )
Nov 07 09:22:03 <danijoo> Click66: but they are managed by gradle, arent they?
Nov 07 09:22:08 <danijoo> I mean the build itself
Nov 07 09:22:13 <Click66> yes
Nov 07 09:22:33 <Click66> Because it's a sample project of the SDK and it gives so much JNI (NDK) build errors ..
Nov 07 09:23:29 <Click66> The only step I coudln't do in the manual was setting the build order ( we don't want to work in eclipse )
Nov 07 09:24:18 <ravilov> maybe you have the dependencies set incorrectly
Nov 07 09:24:25 <ravilov> so gradle can't figure out the correct order
Nov 07 09:24:39 <danijoo> why does the order matter. usually gradle handles it according to the dependency
Nov 07 09:24:53 <danijoo> if A needs B and B needs C, gradle will compile C->B->A
Nov 07 09:25:28 <danijoo> you just have to make the declarations in your build.gradle file
Nov 07 09:25:46 <ravilov> danijoo, that only works if gradle somehow *knows* that A needs B etc ;)
Nov 07 09:25:50 <ravilov> that's what I was saying
Nov 07 09:26:00 <danijoo> Yep
Nov 07 09:29:28 <shipit> alright which idiot at google updated all templates for Material?
Nov 07 09:29:42 <shipit> and why was the default project layout changed in Android Studio?
Nov 07 09:29:53 <shipit> what the actual fuck?
Nov 07 09:30:29 <danijoo> actual fuck? :D
Nov 07 09:30:30 <ravilov> because google?
Nov 07 09:30:51 <shipit> because mental retardation full blast
Nov 07 09:30:59 <shipit> this is stupid
Nov 07 09:31:06 <shipit> killed all my productivity
Nov 07 09:31:37 <ravilov> yet people still jump ship as soon as google decides to release a new clump of code
Nov 07 09:31:43 <shipit> I'm in Palo Alto and I feel like driving down to Mountain View and hurling taco sauce molotov cocktail
Nov 07 09:32:09 <ravilov> make sure you include a note saying "I love your work, keep it up"
Nov 07 09:32:21 <shmooz> livestream it for us
Nov 07 09:32:49 <danijoo> never update/upgrade on days that should be productive - Konfuzius
Nov 07 09:32:51 <shipit> man, I'm supporting an SDK project that this update totally borked
Nov 07 09:33:10 <shipit> I didn't even update -- not today
Nov 07 09:33:35 <shipit> AS is not responding when creating new projects
Nov 07 09:33:41 <danijoo> huh
Nov 07 09:33:43 <shmooz> first things first, find the idiot at google
Nov 07 09:33:44 <shipit> and resource compiler is broken
Nov 07 09:33:49 <danijoo> oh well. AS... ^^
Nov 07 09:34:00 <shipit> dude I love AS until now
Nov 07 09:34:15 <shipit> and all project layout, dir structure has changed
Nov 07 09:34:17 <danijoo> yes. until the "its beta" hammer hit you :)
Nov 07 09:34:46 <shipit> and since I don't have 5.0 SDK installed, AS doesn't detect and barfed all over my projects
Nov 07 09:35:07 <shipit> is like everyone trying to leave town before holidays?
Nov 07 09:35:30 <ravilov> I don't know why people still expect software labeled as "beta" to not break
Nov 07 09:35:41 <shmooz> I'll keep saying No to update nags
Nov 07 09:36:59 <ravilov> I guess for some reason people expect "beta" software to only ever get better with time
Nov 07 09:37:07 <shipit> ravilov: this is not "break" at execution level, this is flipping out feature parity and if you had production code, sucks to be you - cause let's not warn you or provide migration path
Nov 07 09:37:43 <ravilov> shipit, point is, they are totally allowed to do that because it is called "beta"
Nov 07 09:38:01 <ravilov> everybody everywhere says nothing labeled "beta" should ever be a part of production
Nov 07 09:38:06 <ravilov> so it was a bad decision on your part...
Nov 07 09:38:18 <shmooz> shipit: you shouldn't be mixing beta with production unless you're sure it's stable
Nov 07 09:38:21 <shipit> well not when I spoke w Chet Richards last time I met him
Nov 07 09:38:30 <shipit> have you used Eclipse?
Nov 07 09:38:37 <ravilov> yes, I'm using it all the time
Nov 07 09:38:54 <shipit> I have not seen bigger pile of crap
Nov 07 09:39:04 <shipit> AS is far far better than Eclipse
Nov 07 09:39:18 <ravilov> yet eclipse is not labeled beta, so if that doesn't work, *then* you get to complain
Nov 07 09:39:34 <shmooz> shipit: use IDEA instead
Nov 07 09:39:41 <ravilov> shipit, no, AS might just have more potential, but it's far too unstable to actually be "better"
Nov 07 09:39:52 <shipit> dude that thing hardly works - the times I have to 'clean' and 'refresh project' so it got a basic build done
Nov 07 09:40:18 <ravilov> shipit, YMMV I guess, eclipse works astoundingly well for me and I never had these issues you're talking about
Nov 07 09:40:41 * danijoo leans back
Nov 07 09:40:44 <danijoo> popcorn?
Nov 07 09:41:06 <ravilov> so yeah I guess it does suck to be you if you're forced to depend on beta-quality software in order to do your work :p
Nov 07 09:41:10 <shipit> ravilov while I may not agree with you about what is permitted under "beta", I'm inclined to agree as horrible as Eclipse is, it is horrible consistently
Nov 07 09:41:28 <danijoo> this channel really needs another AS vs eclipse discussion.
Nov 07 09:41:41 <shipit> ravilov I've stuff shipping w/ zero crashes, all built w love in AS
Nov 07 09:41:42 <danijoo> said no one ever
Nov 07 09:42:04 <ravilov> danijoo, what's your preference? join in!
Nov 07 09:42:05 <shipit> including shitty devices in China
Nov 07 09:42:44 <danijoo> ravilov: building apps by hand using nothing more then a command prompt and vim
Nov 07 09:42:48 <danijoo> like a real man!
Nov 07 09:43:01 <shipit> respect danijoo!!
Nov 07 09:43:03 <ravilov> shipit, the only thing this proves is that AS is, under right circumstances and the correct astral alignment, fully capable of producing working code
Nov 07 09:43:05 <danijoo> nah just kidding
Nov 07 09:43:11 <danijoo> i use intellij
Nov 07 09:43:28 * VnM starts to chant "Eclipse, Eclipse, Eclipse"
Nov 07 09:43:38 <shipit> ravilov it worked for me all of this year but I'm taken by surprise tonight
Nov 07 09:43:42 <ravilov> danijoo, psh spoiled brat, unless you're using neodymium magnets to write directly to hard drive, you have it too good :p
Nov 07 09:43:57 <danijoo> ravilov: :D
Nov 07 09:44:02 <shmooz> your luck is up, its the year of the rat
Nov 07 09:44:09 <shipit> lolz
Nov 07 09:44:25 <shipit> well, only the faithful enter promised land
Nov 07 09:44:26 <ravilov> shipit, that's exactly the point - just because it worked so far proves nothing, or else it would lose the "beta" label
Nov 07 09:44:58 <ravilov> s/just because/the fact/
Nov 07 09:45:19 <ravilov> but anyway
Nov 07 09:45:30 <shipit> ravilov curious, what do you use for release engineering w Eclipse? 'cause I may have to revert to it given the clusterfuck I am in
Nov 07 09:45:30 <ravilov> back to my stable and pretty eclipse
Nov 07 09:46:34 <shipit> eclipse is ugly as hell -
Nov 07 09:46:44 <shipit> I've been using Eclipse since 2.1 days
Nov 07 09:47:12 <ravilov> shipit, well... thing is, you should probably not take advice from me as far as professional production goes, I am but an amateur working on small little apps that I've never uploaded to any play store or anything (nor I intend to)
Nov 07 09:47:25 <ravilov> but the thing is, even for this small homegrown stuff, AS sucked badly for me
Nov 07 09:47:34 <shipit> duuuude
Nov 07 09:47:55 <shipit> that right there tells me everything I need to know about Eclipse and Android
Nov 07 09:48:02 <ravilov> um, ok
Nov 07 09:48:27 <ravilov> it doesn't tell you eclipse can look pretty nice, just apply a nice gtk2 theme ;)
Nov 07 09:48:33 <VnM> Right, cos ravilov is the only Android developer who uses Eclipse *cough*
Nov 07 09:49:00 <shipit> VnM yours truly also uses Eclipse
Nov 07 09:49:03 <shmooz> so quick to label and categorize
Nov 07 09:49:16 <ravilov> shipit, but you just said you're using AS...
Nov 07 09:49:29 <ravilov> why would you be so upset about AS breaking if you weren't using it?
Nov 07 09:49:56 <shipit> ravilov I have converted all my projects to AS. I'm shipping an SDK w AS for whom I write example/test code in Eclipse
Nov 07 09:50:41 <ravilov> sooo... what you have is a mixed bag of everything
Nov 07 09:50:47 <ravilov> seems very shoddy
Nov 07 09:50:52 <shipit> no Eclipse is the denominator
Nov 07 09:51:19 <shipit> why is it shoddy - you've never shipped anything
Nov 07 09:51:25 <shipit> your user list is 0
Nov 07 09:51:55 <shipit> I suggest instead of arguing with me, ship something into the real world
Nov 07 09:52:08 <ravilov> why?
Nov 07 09:52:19 <shipit> I'll cuss AS and I'll figure out the new way, I'll be ok
Nov 07 09:52:23 <VnM> It's in the name ravilov
Nov 07 09:52:34 <ravilov> I didn't know your value is only ever based on how many apps you have on playstore
Nov 07 09:52:46 <ravilov> I never said my userbase is 0, my users get my apps another way
Nov 07 09:53:02 <shipit> no, it's how much diversity your codebase has experienced
Nov 07 09:53:22 <shipit> once you hit corner cases, you'll start appreciating sophistication in tools
Nov 07 09:53:37 * ravilov ships some coal to VnM
Nov 07 09:53:43 <ravilov> I trust you can make it into diamonds
Nov 07 09:53:53 <ravilov> shipit, ok sure
Nov 07 09:54:26 <shipit> your sarcasm is not lost on me but I really don't care
Nov 07 09:54:47 <shmooz> shape up or ship out!
Nov 07 09:55:25 <ravilov> um, I can't say I was aware I was being sarcastic, but okay
Nov 07 09:56:30 <VnM> Ah well, been happilly using Eclipse for years for Android development as well as other Java stuff, hardly ever run into IDE related problems
Nov 07 09:57:12 <shipit> VnM: how does your build system look like?
Nov 07 09:57:51 <VnM> My build system?
Nov 07 09:58:13 <shipit> with Eclipse?
Nov 07 09:58:27 <shipit> I've used Ant before. I was looking into Gradle.
Nov 07 09:59:04 <VnM> Ah no I stay away from Gradle as much as possible, tried that out with AS and it just gave me problems
Nov 07 09:59:37 <shipit> so far I'm quite happy w gradle
Nov 07 09:59:51 <shipit> esp being able to pull jars from maven / jcenter
Nov 07 10:00:16 <danijoo> it needs a lot of work for migration. but once you got your head arround it, its great
Nov 07 10:00:33 <ravilov> gradle is just dead slow for me. I've been told I need to enable some sort of "daemon mode" but I feel I shouldn't have to fiddle with the build system that much in order to get a barely acceptable performance. I never had to fiddle with eclipse...
Nov 07 10:26:14 <Mrdarknezz> ravilov: How slow is it?
Nov 07 10:33:31 <ravilov> Mrdarknezz, overall build time is roughly 10x longer than in eclipse. I'm not kidding, a simple "hello world" in AS takes about 10-15 secs to compile and deploy, snd thar's with AS and the emulator already running. in that time in eclipse I would have finished compiling, started a fresh emulator, it finished booting, and my app being deployed and started.
Nov 07 10:34:16 <EPG> hm, that's indeed slow
Nov 07 10:35:21 <ravilov> and that's*
Nov 07 10:37:36 <EPG> ravilov, you have power save mode disabled?
Nov 07 10:37:47 <ravilov> no idea
Nov 07 10:38:03 <EPG> it's in the "File" menu
Nov 07 10:38:06 <ravilov> not something I ever have to worry about on eclipse ;)
Nov 07 10:38:40 <ravilov> eh, my AS is in windows which is not booted right now :p
Nov 07 10:47:37 <Aureola> hello
Nov 07 10:47:45 <VnM> 'lo
Nov 07 10:49:17 <Aureola> is it okay if I report a Google Play Music bug?
Nov 07 10:49:41 <jooles> Not really the place to do so I think
Nov 07 10:49:43 <VnM> It won't do much here
Nov 07 10:50:27 <ravilov> go right ahead, I'll set up /dev/null just for you :p
Nov 07 10:51:21 <danijoo> Aureola: you have to use googles bugtracker. this is not an official channel
Nov 07 10:54:18 <ravilov> even if it was, reportimg a bug in here would be pointless
Nov 07 11:40:04 <Sophomore> Hi, I've set an OnClickListner to a Linear layout, I want to change it's background when clicked. How do I get the reference to that layout?
Nov 07 11:42:51 <shmooz> Sophomore: give it an id in the xml file
Nov 07 11:43:31 <ravilov> Sophomore, don't you get the view as an argument to the listener?
Nov 07 11:43:38 <Sophomore> Well, I did. It returns a nullpointer exception
Nov 07 11:44:05 <ravilov> dude, you get the view right there as an argument, that is all you need
Nov 07 11:44:05 <Sophomore> ravilov: um?
Nov 07 11:44:13 <Sophomore> aah, I get it
Nov 07 11:44:30 <ravilov> why did you think you even get that argument?
Nov 07 11:45:04 <ravilov> also, general failure to utilize d.android.com resources properly
Nov 07 11:45:22 <Sophomore> So i've to do a layout inflater now?
Nov 07 11:45:44 <ravilov> ...
Nov 07 11:45:48 <Sophomore> or I just use it directly. I'll go through the dev.android :D
Nov 07 11:45:48 <Darklust> D:
Nov 07 11:46:01 <ravilov> lost cause, right there
Nov 07 13:23:19 <joshkovach> good morning! everyone ready to start the day?
Nov 07 13:23:43 <ObrienDave> no ;P
Nov 07 13:24:04 <joshkovach> well, happy friday, anyway
Nov 07 13:24:23 <joshkovach> anyone in here familiar with robolectric and its many wonderful quirks?
Nov 07 13:24:35 <joshkovach> also maven
Nov 07 13:24:37 <ObrienDave> my monday morning coming up ;P
Nov 07 13:24:59 <joshkovach> happy fake monday!
Nov 07 13:25:01 * ObrienDave works weekend graveyard shift LOL
Nov 07 13:25:06 <joshkovach> I actually don't get a weekend this week
Nov 07 13:25:29 <joshkovach> I go straight from work to helping run givecamp straight until sunday afternoon
Nov 07 13:28:00 <ObrienDave> that's cool
Nov 07 13:28:05 <joshkovach> does anyone have an idea why my maven build does not need @Config(emulateSdk=18) for robolectric tests (running api 19.1.0), but my gradle version of the build does (running 21.0.0)?
Nov 07 13:44:02 <joshkovach> does anyone have an idea why my maven build does not need @Config(emulateSdk=18) for robolectric tests (running api 19.1.0), but my gradle version of the build does (running 21.0.0)?
Nov 07 14:14:53 <deadmund> I'm looking at http://androidxref.com/4.3_r2.1/xref/frameworks/base/core/java/android/os/Vibrator.java  and it's entirely abstract, but I can't find what class / file implements these abstract methods.  Any suggestions?
Nov 07 14:15:55 <ravilov> it's a system service
Nov 07 14:16:05 <ravilov> also that class is not abstract at all
Nov 07 14:16:24 <ravilov> wait, nevermind
Nov 07 14:17:13 <ravilov> deadmund, all you had to do is click on the class name (Vibrator), and you'd get this:
Nov 07 14:17:16 <ravilov> http://androidxref.com/4.3_r2.1/xref/frameworks/base/core/java/android/os/SystemVibrator.java
Nov 07 14:17:19 <deadmund> ravilov, haha, it has "abstract" in the class header and in every function :P  So it seems that:http://androidxref.com/4.3_r2.1/xref/frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/VibratorService.java#vibrate provides the functionality
Nov 07 14:17:19 <ravilov> http://androidxref.com/4.3_r2.1/xref/frameworks/base/core/java/android/os/NullVibrator.java
Nov 07 14:17:23 <deadmund> yeah :P
Nov 07 14:17:47 <deadmund> ravilov, The null variant is for when the hardware isn't available?
Nov 07 14:17:53 <ravilov> probably
Nov 07 14:17:59 <deadmund> ok, thanks
Nov 07 14:18:25 <joshkovach> does anyone have an idea why my maven build does not need @Config(emulateSdk=18) for robolectric tests (running api 19.1.0), but my gradle version of the build does (running 21.0.0)?
Nov 07 14:19:29 <ravilov> dude, how many times are you going to ask this? clearly nobody knows, give it up
Nov 07 14:21:03 <joshkovach> just making sure, there's more activity than there was an hour ago
Nov 07 14:21:12 <joshkovach> I'll stop now
Nov 07 14:51:50 <c03> Has anyone else experienced the webview hang and not being able to load a new url after crashing/being closed on a page with an <audio> tag?
Nov 07 15:15:52 <mtR_> Hello, i use margin_left and margin_right on a layout. Its works on the default orientation, but when i change the screen orientation, the margins go on the top and bottom of the screen. Any way to put margin that stay on right and left, whatever the oriention is ?
Nov 07 15:16:05 <Syzygy_> crashes during inflation are so annoying D: couldn't it just tell me it was a nullpointer exception at a specific location rather than telling me it was an inflation error somewhere completely different
Nov 07 15:16:40 <mtR_> i mean a simple way, cause i could detect screen orientation changes, and programmatically set margins on left / right or top / bottom depending of orientation
Nov 07 15:16:58 <mtR_> but if i can not do that, i would like it
Nov 07 15:17:09 <Syzygy_> mtR_, you could define a separate layout.
Nov 07 15:17:44 <mtR_> what do you mean Syzygy_
Nov 07 15:18:15 <Syzygy_> it's possible to define a layout of portrait and a layout for landscape mode
Nov 07 15:18:38 <Syzygy_> As far as I'm aware the margin should still apply to the new left and right btw, so you might be doing something wrong
Nov 07 15:19:27 <Syzygy_> perhaps you could upload a screenshot of what's going wrong together with your layout file
Nov 07 15:21:07 <mtR_> oh i didnt know we could define 2 layout depending of orientation
Nov 07 15:22:54 <Nohus> Hi, does anyone know if crashes of wear apps also have the "report" options in the dialog?
Nov 07 15:23:33 <mtR_> Syzygy_: i was wrong on my explanations, It actually apply the margin left a top to the new left and top
Nov 07 15:23:52 <mtR_> but thats what i dont want ^^
Nov 07 15:25:08 <Syzygy_> so you want to apply your margin_left to the top if you rotate by 90° clockwise? did I understand that right?
Nov 07 15:25:26 <mtR_> thats it :)
Nov 07 15:25:41 <Syzygy_> do you perhaps want to disable rotation?
Nov 07 15:26:22 <mtR_> hehe no, but ill take a look at what you said : create a layout for each orientation
Nov 07 15:26:47 <Syzygy_> ok
Nov 07 15:27:03 <mtR_> seems its the easiest way to do it, thanks Syzygy_
Nov 07 15:27:11 <Syzygy_> no problem
Nov 07 15:34:48 <MarkyC> Could someone provide me with a "Swipe to dismiss" tutorial (I'm looking to swipe to dismiss a TextView)
Nov 07 15:44:15 <Mavrik> MarkyC, there's a talk about that from Google I/O 2013
Nov 07 15:44:21 <Mavrik> MarkyC, check for Chet Haases talk
Nov 07 15:45:35 <MarkyC> Mavrik: gotcha, thanks. I'm perplexed as to why the SDK doesn't provide that functionality (ie: TextView.OnSwipeListener)
Nov 07 15:47:16 <ravilov> many argue the SDK/framework alreay includes more than it should
Nov 07 15:50:24 <Mavrik> MarkyC, RecyclerView makes that kind of stuff way easer, but I doubt they will ever include something as high level
Nov 07 15:50:34 <Mavrik> since pretty much everyone has his/her own usecase
Nov 07 15:51:34 <MarkyC> Mavrik: I wish I could move over to the new RecyclerView APIs :(  Our app was built with Android Annotations (no View Holder pattern there cause Views are injected)
Nov 07 15:52:26 <Mavrik> mhm
Nov 07 16:05:23 <SimonVT> There's a DevBytes talk on swipe to dismiss, think those have sample code as well
Nov 07 16:17:24 <Mugwump101> I have a question, if I want to set multiple alarms, do I need different ids for each alarm I set?
Nov 07 16:18:06 <komandant> sry for bothering you folks again but does anybody know why rendering issues like http://i.imgur.com/z3VHCar.png or http://i.imgur.com/EGudzDM.jpg might be happening on some devices (moto g, nexus5) while it works fine on others (htc desire 200, sg s3)? app starts fine but it goes crazy after some time...
Nov 07 16:18:23 <Mrdarknezz> Do you have to show a license for google play services
Nov 07 16:18:25 <Mrdarknezz> ?
Nov 07 16:18:36 <Leeds> Mrdarknezz: you mean if a cop stops you?
Nov 07 16:19:32 <yiati> Mrdarknezz: You also have to show registration
Nov 07 16:19:38 <Mavrik> Mrdarknezz, depends on what do you use
Nov 07 16:19:48 <Mavrik> Mrdarknezz, e.g. Google maps API demands it, GCM not
Nov 07 16:19:56 <Mavrik> Mrdarknezz, look at the "license" part of the API you're using
Nov 07 16:20:09 <Mavrik> Leeds, yiati, less trolling more help? :)
Nov 07 16:20:25 <Leeds> Mavrik: pretty meaningless question
Nov 07 16:20:43 <Mavrik> Actually it's not, since Google requests that you clearly show attribution for some APIs
Nov 07 16:20:47 <Leeds> show what sort of license, to who, when and where?
Nov 07 16:21:10 <gman23> komandant: It appears it could just be the phone?
Nov 07 16:21:12 <gman23> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=81dae6d87c01065894ed1f6df165a46d&t=1887744&page=2
Nov 07 16:21:21 <gman23> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/57338/any-text-in-desktop-and-menu-is-unreadable
Nov 07 16:22:47 <Mrdarknezz> Mavrik: Ok thanks
Nov 07 16:23:45 <yiati> komandant: Are you doing anything special graphics wise?
Nov 07 16:24:20 <Mrdarknezz> Leeds: Apache 2.0 Licenses require you to include it in your software
Nov 07 16:24:29 <Mrdarknezz> Leeds: Butterknife for example is licensed under Apache 2.0
Nov 07 16:24:46 <komandant> gman23, yeah but it only happens in our app
Nov 07 16:25:15 <mattblang> I have a navigation drawer fragment that I want to refresh when the user authenticates, to show more options and stuff.  Should I try to put all the content in a ListView that can be refreshed, or just restart the fragment.  just curious if any of you have done this, and how you handled it
Nov 07 16:26:39 <komandant> yiati: only sprite animations. and we have a custom ttf font
Nov 07 16:26:58 <Mrdarknezz> Leeds: See §4 http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
Nov 07 16:27:52 <yiati> komandant: Is it the only the fonts that are showing up weird like that? You could always swap out the custom ttf font for a default font to try and isolate the problem
Nov 07 16:30:23 <komandant> othan than font, sometimes a picture loaded with picasso in an image view disappears but there are 3 more pics which don't disappear
Nov 07 16:31:16 <komandant> i'll try with the default font in few minutes
Nov 07 16:33:47 <yiati> mattblang: Restarting the fragment would be the easier option, refreshing the ListView would be the optimal solution. I would probably go for easier
Nov 07 16:37:10 <tricknology> does android natively support saving to pdf?
Nov 07 16:38:40 <yiati> tricknology: What?
Nov 07 16:38:41 <eghdk> Andoid Studio ADB not responding when trying to run my app? Suggestions? I've tried restarting studio, adb kill-server adb devices tried this for the past hour and no luck.
Nov 07 16:40:01 <tricknology> yiata, can I save a string to PDF?
Nov 07 16:40:12 <tricknology> natively, without using a library,
Nov 07 16:40:37 <yiati> tricknology: What environment are you developing in? Java, C++?
Nov 07 16:40:55 <JacobTabak> eghdk killall or reboot, restart IDE
Nov 07 16:40:59 <tricknology> Android? not using NDK so Java?
Nov 07 16:41:00 <JacobTabak> oh you did restart ide
Nov 07 16:41:13 <tricknology> adb kill-server
Nov 07 16:41:25 <eghdk> JacobTabak: adb killall or adb reboot?
Nov 07 16:41:32 <yiati> tricknology: You can just save a file with regular old file io
Nov 07 16:41:34 <JacobTabak> neither
Nov 07 16:41:42 <JacobTabak> what OS eghdk
Nov 07 16:41:46 <JacobTabak> mac? windows? linux?
Nov 07 16:41:56 <tricknology> but I need it to be PDF, prefereably to use: https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/android
Nov 07 16:42:08 <eghdk> JacobTabak: OSX
Nov 07 16:42:09 <tricknology> and savign to PDF wouldnt be a bad thign for me in the future anyway
Nov 07 16:42:53 <tricknology> you went a whole hour tryign stuff and you didn’t reboot? haha
Nov 07 16:43:46 <yiati> tricknology: File file = new File(context.getFilesDir()+"/my_file.pdf");
Nov 07 16:44:32 <tricknology> but… that’s just a random file with a .pdf extension
Nov 07 16:44:40 <tricknology> doesn’t make it a pdf
Nov 07 16:44:54 <tricknology> does not contain pdf magic number of formatting
Nov 07 16:45:26 <tricknology> PDF files start with "%PDF" (hex 25 50 44 46).
Nov 07 16:46:18 <yiati> Ah then no
Nov 07 16:46:22 <yiati> is your answer
Nov 07 16:46:54 <tricknology> hehe thanks.  I know there are java libs, like Apache but they are bulky.
Nov 07 16:47:09 <yiati> Yep
Nov 07 16:47:15 <tricknology> and I don’t want to deal with finding the core parts and stipping them just yet
Nov 07 16:47:15 <eghdk> JacobTabak: Is there something else I could kill? Restarting my machine isn't an option right now.
Nov 07 16:47:23 <tricknology> but it might have to happen..
Nov 07 16:47:36 <tricknology> if it does I’ll make a small lib of it and post here
Nov 07 16:47:42 <tricknology> or to my git
Nov 07 16:47:44 <yiati> eghdk: Anything that could possibly be using adb
Nov 07 16:48:04 <tricknology> u dling porn eghdk?
Nov 07 16:48:06 <tricknology> jk jk
Nov 07 16:50:00 <komandant> ok just tried with default font, rendering stil gets weird...
Nov 07 16:52:01 <yiati> komandant: Are there any special characters in there that are not ASCII?
Nov 07 16:52:56 <komandant> nope
Nov 07 16:57:47 <yiati> komandant: Yeah gman23 may be right about it being a device bug, I found more people reporting it http://forums.androidcentral.com/moto-g-2013/365512-font-rendering-issue-kitkat.html
Nov 07 17:02:51 <komandant> guess that's possible. thanks anyway. i'll look into our sprite animations just to be sure everything is fine over there...
Nov 07 17:07:37 <ejb> Hey, anyone know how to format a link (<a href="..."></a>) so that it prompts the phone to use a maps app?
Nov 07 17:10:32 <eghdk> I updated my app to have localization... but now the user wants to change the language back to english without changing his entire phone to english. Weird request I geuss... but can I put a language selector in my app settings?
Nov 07 17:14:09 <Syzygy_> when working with the google maps API, do I need to generate a key for each individual developer?
Nov 07 17:15:07 <Syzygy_> that seems excessive
Nov 07 17:15:53 <dragorn> if i recall the key is tied to the signing key
Nov 07 17:16:03 <dragorn> so if each developer uses a different signing key, yes.
Nov 07 17:16:09 <Syzygy_> great.
Nov 07 17:16:35 <Syzygy_> well, thanks for the info
Nov 07 17:17:00 <dragorn> if you share a common debug keystore among your developers
Nov 07 17:17:05 <Syzygy_> we don't
Nov 07 17:17:10 <dragorn> you can probably get away w/ one debug api key and one prod key
Nov 07 17:37:01 <g00s> oh man, first thing i see when i get out of bed - ravioli
Nov 07 17:37:10 * g00s wants ravioli breakfast
Nov 07 17:41:27 <ravilov> NO
Nov 07 17:57:41 <sarbs> are we *still* talking about ravioli? wtf
Nov 07 17:57:56 <sarbs> like a sign from god about what i should have for dinner or something
Nov 07 17:59:22 <sarbs> dragorn Syzygy_ for debug purposes you should be able to use a phony key, no?
Nov 07 17:59:52 <sarbs> just like the sample app puts in.. then when you actually deploy and sign with prod cert, you put in real key
Nov 07 18:00:32 <dragorn> sarbs: not if you're testing against the API, no
Nov 07 18:00:44 <dragorn> sarbs: google won't feed you maps or let you talk to other stuff w/ a bogus API key
Nov 07 18:01:44 <tricknology> hey anyone experienced with Location in here?
Nov 07 18:02:10 <Syzygy_> some, but just ask your question
Nov 07 18:02:36 <sarbs> interesting
Nov 07 18:03:03 <tricknology> I’m tryign to get my location but there are 3 settings in the Location settings.. High Acc. Power Saving, and GPS only.  it seems that GPS only is the only one that can be selected without sending annonymous info to Google.  That freaks some poeple out so I don’t want to force people to use that setting.. however, I am getting provider disabled
Nov 07 18:04:17 <sarbs> high acc and power saving both go thru google play's location services api
Nov 07 18:04:32 <sarbs> GPS only will use only the device gps driver
Nov 07 18:06:41 <sarbs> you may also be able to bypass GMS' FusedLocation by going directly to the android.location framework and specifying Cell tower location, but that will likely still fall under the "power saving" setting which would require them to enable sending of data (even tho that particular provider wouldn't send data)
Nov 07 18:07:15 <tricknology> interesting sarbs, thanks..
Nov 07 18:07:30 <tricknology> I really just need city but accuracy wouldn’t hurt
Nov 07 18:09:01 <g00s> is there any way to get an export of all the devices my users are using (models) from Play ?
Nov 07 18:13:36 <Syzygy_> tricknology, what happens with people outside of cities?
Nov 07 18:17:28 <tricknology> well I really jsut want a GPS location, it doesn’t have to be to the tens of meters..
Nov 07 18:17:32 <tricknology> lat/lng is fine
Nov 07 18:19:14 <ravilov> ... that's what you DO get from gps
Nov 07 18:19:19 <ravilov> isn't it?
Nov 07 18:21:55 <tricknology> yeah, I’m pretty sure I just have a problem in the logic with getLastKnownLocation()
Nov 07 18:22:51 <tricknology> I think I am requesting the location too fast after initialization.  I thought that if the phone had location enabled then there is a cache somewhere that getLastKnownLocation() can pull data from.. I guess I was wrong?
Nov 07 18:25:11 <tricknology> is it normal for onProviderEnabled() and onProviderDisabled() to be called one after another’?
Nov 07 18:26:26 <tricknology> debug output says: GPS Enabled == true, using Network Provider, provider disabled.
Nov 07 18:30:40 <Mugwump101> I have a question on saving button values from each view in viewpager. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26807549/saving-button-value-in-view-of-viewpager
Nov 07 18:31:41 <tricknology> Mugwump101, maybe sharedPreferences is a good place to start
Nov 07 18:31:50 <tricknology> if it gets more complicated use a SQLite3 database
Nov 07 18:32:54 <tricknology> or you could put everything into a JSONObject and write that string to a file, and parse it out later with JSONObject obj = new JSONObject(stringLine);
Nov 07 18:33:11 <tricknology> whatever is better for your case
Nov 07 18:33:39 <tricknology> all those options use <key,value> pairs like you have already in your HashMap
Nov 07 18:34:03 <tricknology> SQLite3 db will be the hardest but most robust
Nov 07 18:34:04 <squirrel> use fragments, make fragments handle themselves
Nov 07 18:37:03 <tricknology> maybe I’m confused.. do you want to store the values on disk or in memory?
Nov 07 18:40:41 <Mugwump101> well the thing is
Nov 07 18:40:58 <Mugwump101> think about it as filling out a form
Nov 07 18:41:15 <Mugwump101> You click on a button, then click on next, click on a button, click next.. etc..
Nov 07 18:41:22 <Mugwump101> At some point, I want the user to click on a save button
Nov 07 18:41:29 <Mugwump101> and it will save all those values into the database
Nov 07 18:41:49 <tricknology> what does this error mean? com.my.package.Activity.access$15(Activity.java:294)
Nov 07 18:41:54 <tricknology> the access$15 part..
Nov 07 18:42:08 <tricknology> app crashed there with no other explanation.. Tag is AndroidRuntime
Nov 07 18:42:20 <Mugwump101> I have a sqlite db set up already but I want to save them when the user clicks save button and not when they click on the button right away
Nov 07 18:42:27 <tricknology> do you have the database set up yet Mugwump101?
Nov 07 18:42:39 <Mugwump101> yeah I have the sqlite db set up
Nov 07 18:42:41 <Leffe_> How are string based intent URIs formed? Is it the application id. Eg. "com.mycompany.myapp" with some protocol suffix?
Nov 07 18:42:43 <Leffe_> I want to open my cordova app from a plugin and as far as I can see I don't have access to the acutal activity class.
Nov 07 18:42:53 <Mugwump101> I want to save the values when they are done filling everything out and decided they want to save
Nov 07 18:43:05 <Mugwump101> the problem is the button value gets lost when I swipe btween pages
Nov 07 18:43:14 <Mugwump101> only the last button value is remembered when I swipe
Nov 07 18:43:21 <Mugwump101> So I want to remember all the button values
Nov 07 18:43:30 <Mugwump101> for save time
Nov 07 18:43:53 <tricknology> not too tip top on fragments but if they were activities I would pass them through intent or store them in SharedPrefs temporarily
Nov 07 18:44:12 <tricknology> put them in a bundle
Nov 07 18:45:18 <tricknology> or just read this: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html#CommunicatingWithActivity
Nov 07 18:45:35 <Mugwump101> Can't I just save them to a map temporarily?
Nov 07 18:45:39 <tricknology> sure
Nov 07 18:45:42 <Mugwump101> or at least a list?
Nov 07 18:45:46 <tricknology> pass that map back to your activity
Nov 07 18:45:51 <tricknology> whatever you want
Nov 07 18:46:03 <tricknology> if you put them through an intent they need to be serializable I think
Nov 07 18:46:18 <Mugwump101> I guess my problem is now is how do I know the positon of the page the button was clicked, it seems to be wrong
Nov 07 18:46:21 <tricknology> (that is only an issue for custom objects in your map)
Nov 07 18:51:23 <tricknology> your logic is probably flawed there
Nov 07 18:51:40 <tricknology> just store them in sharedprefs, it will be easier for you
Nov 07 18:51:51 <Mugwump101> ok well I have never used sharedprefs :O
Nov 07 18:51:55 <tricknology> then delete the sharedprefs every time you open up your menu
Nov 07 18:51:58 <tricknology> it’s pretty easy
Nov 07 18:52:00 <Mugwump101> How difficult is it ? XD
Nov 07 18:52:11 <tricknology> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3624280/how-to-use-sharedpreferences-in-android-to-store-fetch-and-edit-values
Nov 07 18:52:34 <tricknology> dont forget to commit
Nov 07 18:52:43 <tricknology> or your preferences wont commit
Nov 07 18:52:50 <tricknology> sharedPrefsEditor.commit()
Nov 07 18:53:06 <danijoo> use apply
Nov 07 18:53:29 <tricknology> why apply over commit?  -.O
Nov 07 18:54:13 <tricknology> this example is a little more clear. http://androidexample.com/Android_SharedPreferences_Basics/index.php?view=article_discription&aid=126&aaid=146
Nov 07 18:54:21 <danijoo> tricknology: its faster
Nov 07 18:54:24 <tricknology> really straightforward
Nov 07 18:54:32 <tricknology> didn’t knwo that danijoo, TIL
Nov 07 18:54:33 <Mugwump101> okays seems alright. Now my question is should I put values in sharedpreferences in my viewpager?
Nov 07 18:54:50 <Mugwump101> I am assuming as soon as I click on my button value and pass in the value
Nov 07 18:54:52 <danijoo> tricknology: commit runs synchronous, apply is async
Nov 07 18:55:27 <tricknology> sharedPreferences is just a way to get the file, it depends on the context. you can edit and retrieve prefs from anywhere within your app, it will be the same file
Nov 07 18:57:56 <JacobTabak> you know how in the layout preview in AS if you wrap it in a scrollview, the phone UI disappears from the layout and you can see more content vertically?
Nov 07 18:58:04 <JacobTabak> is there a way to do that without wrapping everything in a scrollview
Nov 07 18:58:41 <Afzal> JacobTabak, make a theme without all the decor only for previewing?
Nov 07 18:58:43 <canadiancow> g00s, thanks for trying to get me an invite :)
Nov 07 18:58:53 <g00s> canadiancow :)
Nov 07 18:59:02 <Afzal> what invite?
Nov 07 18:59:06 <canadiancow> i can't believe how hard it is to get a damn phone
Nov 07 18:59:09 <JacobTabak> Afzal thanks for the suggestion - its not so much about the decor, but being limited to a 16x9 preview doesnt give enough vertical space
Nov 07 18:59:24 <canadiancow> Afzal, oneplus
Nov 07 18:59:27 <Mugwump101> OnePlus?
Nov 07 18:59:30 <Mugwump101> haha cool
Nov 07 18:59:42 <canadiancow> like i need it for debugging an issue :(
Nov 07 18:59:43 <Afzal> is it really better than the Z3 right now?
Nov 07 18:59:46 <Afzal> oh lol
Nov 07 18:59:54 <canadiancow> that's why i'm annoyed by this
Nov 07 18:59:57 <canadiancow> my team wants one
Nov 07 19:00:01 <canadiancow> we can't figure out how to get one
Nov 07 19:00:05 <Afzal> yeah makes sense but doesn't it just run CM?
Nov 07 19:00:14 <canadiancow> i can't repro the issue on other devices with CM
Nov 07 19:02:56 <Afzal> that sucks :/
Nov 07 19:03:03 <pBlack> Morning everyone.
Nov 07 19:03:32 <Afzal> lol morning, it's 2.03 pm here :p
Nov 07 19:03:46 <Afzal> But I just came in for work so might as well be morning
Nov 07 19:04:20 <pBlack> Ahh lol.
Nov 07 19:04:26 <pBlack> :P I'm in California.
Nov 07 19:04:32 <pBlack> I'm just getting into work.
Nov 07 19:04:35 <pBlack> HUNGOVER!
Nov 07 19:04:43 <pBlack> Other than that, I'm fine though
Nov 07 19:04:46 <Afzal> that's the best time to code!
Nov 07 19:05:02 <pBlack> Yea! With the assistance of coffee.
Nov 07 19:05:02 <pBlack> :P
Nov 07 19:05:50 <tricknology> lol I should try it sometime
Nov 07 19:05:54 <tricknology> shout outs to Cali
Nov 07 19:06:13 <pBlack> Woot!
Nov 07 19:06:20 <pBlack> Cali, where the ground shakes. :P
Nov 07 19:06:32 <tricknology> Where at/
Nov 07 19:06:55 <tricknology> I’m in Glendale atm, at work
Nov 07 19:07:57 <Afzal> TO
Nov 07 19:08:05 <tricknology> tokes
Nov 07 19:10:20 <tricknology>  E/AndroidRuntime(32325): 	at com.my.project.MyResult.access$16(MyResult.java:294) anyoen know what this error means? pooped out of LogCat with a crash and nothing else
Nov 07 19:14:36 <dragorn> tricknology: you're missing the relevant parts, so, no.
Nov 07 19:14:39 <Afzal> canadiancow, this fixes any of your issues? http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/07/cm11s-44s-build-oneplus-one-addresses-touchscreen-issues-black-bar-glitch/ :p
Nov 07 19:16:14 <canadiancow> no idea
Nov 07 19:16:25 <lhunath> is there a way for a view to observe when it's getting scrolled by an enclosing scrollview?
Nov 07 19:16:34 <Afzal> oh I thought maybe it was one of those issues listed in there
Nov 07 19:16:49 <lhunath> so that it can detect when it's going off-screen
Nov 07 19:18:40 <canadiancow> Afzal, no, unfortunately
Nov 07 19:23:31 <JacobTabak> has anyone worked with the support v7 gridlayout?
Nov 07 19:23:43 <pBlack> lhunath: are you talking about being notified when a view "leaves the screen"?
Nov 07 19:23:58 <lhunath> yes.
Nov 07 19:25:21 <lhunath> though preferably also when it's "getting close to leaving the screen", so ideally I'd like to get a method of my view called whenever its position on screen changes, so I can find out the actual position with getGlobalVisibleRect
Nov 07 19:25:37 <g00s> the cry of the android programmer "as anybody ever worked with .... "
Nov 07 19:25:52 <JacobTabak> lol g00s  dont mock me
Nov 07 19:26:02 <g00s> hehe :)
Nov 07 19:26:04 <JacobTabak> the documentation just sux for this
Nov 07 19:26:12 <g00s> actually samsung has a good page
Nov 07 19:26:27 <JacobTabak> wat
Nov 07 19:27:04 <g00s> developer.samsung.com/android/technical-docs/GridLayout-in-Android
Nov 07 19:27:19 <JacobTabak> this is outdated
Nov 07 19:27:24 <JacobTabak> there were changes in v21
Nov 07 19:27:30 <g00s> oh
Nov 07 19:27:41 <after_r> Hello... so I remember seeing somewhere in some project that claimed that it can run its Espresso tests without a plugged in device or an emulator... but I forgot where it was.. trying to find it now. Does it even make sense to run Espresso tests without a device/emulator? (can Espresso tests be done using a device `simulator` like Robolectric which overrides the SDK hooks, etc, and makes it look like a device/emilator is running)
Nov 07 19:27:43 <JacobTabak> sdk docs: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/GridLayout.html
Nov 07 19:27:50 <JacobTabak> "As of API 21, GridLayout's distribution of excess space accomodates the principle of weight."
Nov 07 19:28:02 <JacobTabak> they ported that to v7 support: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/GridLayout.html
Nov 07 19:28:17 <JacobTabak> but it's just not working the way I want so I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious
Nov 07 19:28:47 <g00s> all these layouts beg for diagrams
Nov 07 19:28:57 <g00s> this is one of those areas - docs are terrible
Nov 07 19:29:03 <RedWraith> Hey guys
Nov 07 19:29:10 <JacobTabak> basically i just need a non-scrolling gridview
Nov 07 19:29:21 <RedWraith> for StickyHeadersListView, is it possible to have a header with zero entries under it?
Nov 07 19:29:28 <JacobTabak> no it won't be shown
Nov 07 19:29:32 <JacobTabak> just render an empty view
Nov 07 19:29:36 <JacobTabak> with that header
Nov 07 19:29:39 <yiati> tablelayout
Nov 07 19:29:43 <RedWraith> I have a requirement to have two headers: one that disappears, followed by a shorter one that doesn't.
Nov 07 19:29:49 <RedWraith> slides away*
Nov 07 19:30:15 <RedWraith> one that slides away*
Nov 07 19:30:20 <JacobTabak> yiati do i need to add TableRows to a tablelayout to add rows?
Nov 07 19:30:33 <JacobTabak> or can I just set the column count and then do TableLayout.addView()
Nov 07 19:32:56 <after_r> I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause..
Nov 07 19:34:03 <JacobTabak> Lol, this class exists? https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/Space.html
Nov 07 19:35:05 <JacobTabak> thats kind of cool
Nov 07 19:35:14 <JacobTabak> i've always just used views with width/height but i'm sure there's lots of overhead there
Nov 07 19:48:15 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I am messing with for loop and string array, and wondering if someone can see what I am doing wrong? I included the details in the pastie. http://pastie.org/9703421
Nov 07 19:48:51 <f2prateek> is there some extra work required for intellij to pick up a custom test runner (robolectrics) with maven?
Nov 07 19:50:38 <danijoo> Demon_Jester: do you want to add all armor tpes for ever receipe?
Nov 07 19:51:07 <danijoo> like 5 chestplates (one per type), 5 leggins, 5 helments and so on?
Nov 07 19:51:19 <danijoo> *one per receipe
Nov 07 19:51:20 <Demon_Jester> no but I just realized my problem
Nov 07 19:51:37 <Demon_Jester> danijoo, nevermind I realized it now its another piece of code thats interferring
Nov 07 19:51:45 <danijoo> okay :)
Nov 07 19:51:52 <danijoo> is this for a game?
Nov 07 19:51:56 <danijoo> sounds like :)
Nov 07 19:52:37 <Demon_Jester> minecraft buts im using specifically for me, im just making a list of items with recipes sometimes I forget and I dont like searching for it online so its good experience for me to make this on android
Nov 07 19:53:18 <danijoo> ah ok :) good luck
Nov 07 19:53:59 <cheater> hi
Nov 07 19:54:45 <cheater> i've created the simplest "hello world" example in the android eclipse dev env, and have started up an emulator, but when i "run as" my application, the emulator doesn't do anything (the screen stays black)
Nov 07 19:54:58 <cheater> i'm on 32 bit ubuntu, and i'm running the emulator in 32 bit mode, which may be a difference
Nov 07 19:56:00 <dragorn> cheater: if it's the first time you've run the emulator, expect a long wait
Nov 07 19:56:10 <dragorn> cheater: like, 10 minutes or more.  Future boots of the emulator will be a lot faster.
Nov 07 19:59:38 <g00s> oh this is interesting https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377
Nov 07 20:00:29 <g00s> google, meet fragmentation :)
Nov 07 20:02:03 <cliffreich_> damn im glad i didnt use toolbar. my app is in google play using api 21 and appcompat. everything looks fine
Nov 07 20:02:17 <g00s> if appcompat breaks on samsung devices - even if just those running 4.2.x thats a wee bit of a problem
Nov 07 20:02:58 <g00s> but i'm glad appcompat belongs to google, so we know at least who needs to fix it :D
Nov 07 20:03:14 <f2prateek> Are there good libraries that combine rxjava and SharedPreferences?
Nov 07 20:03:43 <g00s> f2prateek rxandroid has some preference observables ... i dont use them but they are there
Nov 07 20:03:53 <f2prateek> RxAndroid has https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxAndroid/blob/0.x/src/main/java/rx/android/operators/OperatorSharedPreferenceChange.java, but not very full featured
Nov 07 20:03:54 <JacobTabak> link me
Nov 07 20:04:28 <JesusFreke> http://me
Nov 07 20:04:31 <cheater> dragorn: oh. let me try that
Nov 07 20:04:39 <g00s> i thought a couple of times about rx-ing prefs; i think there is a balance in not going overboard with rx ;)
Nov 07 20:05:21 <cheater> if i just start up the emulator device, should anything happen?
Nov 07 20:05:29 <cheater> or should i be expecting a black screen?
Nov 07 20:05:38 <g00s> black screen is typical
Nov 07 20:05:43 <JesusFreke> cheater: black screen for a while, yeah
Nov 07 20:05:50 <cheater> and after that while?
Nov 07 20:05:54 <JesusFreke> cheater: use adb logcat if you want to See Stuff Happen
Nov 07 20:06:14 <yiati> Black screen in the emulator, or your entire screen?
Nov 07 20:06:43 <yiati> Black screen in emulator is normal, and it takes forever
Nov 07 20:07:01 <JacobTabak> ok i hate gridalyout it makes no sense
Nov 07 20:07:26 <cheater> yiati: ok but should anything come after the black screen?
Nov 07 20:07:37 <yiati> Eventually yeah
Nov 07 20:07:44 <yiati> The word Android
Nov 07 20:07:47 <cheater> what?
Nov 07 20:07:48 <cheater> oh
Nov 07 20:07:49 <cheater> ok
Nov 07 20:07:49 <yiati> Then the lock screen
Nov 07 20:07:49 <in_deep_thought> how can I access the code samples on google’s dev site? It always seems to redirect back to index.html. Like this for example: http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/graphics/CameraPreview.html
Nov 07 20:08:04 <cheater> thank you
Nov 07 20:08:07 <cheater> i'm also on an older laptop
Nov 07 20:08:09 <in_deep_thought> are code samples still hosted on android’s dev site?
Nov 07 20:08:11 <cheater> expecting it to be super slow
Nov 07 20:08:18 <yiati> JacobTabak: What do you not understand about GridLayout
Nov 07 20:08:26 <JacobTabak> column weights
Nov 07 20:08:45 <JacobTabak> i want 3 equally sized columns, so i set their layout_columnWeight=1
Nov 07 20:08:47 <cheater> another question if i may
Nov 07 20:09:08 <JacobTabak> it just doesn't work, i can demonstrate this
Nov 07 20:09:30 <cheater> i get a load of errors in the console about the material api...
Nov 07 20:09:32 <cheater> let me post them
Nov 07 20:10:08 <JacobTabak> yiati if i set *just* the middle column layout_columnWeight to 1, it takes up all the space between the 1st and 3rd columns
Nov 07 20:10:10 <yiati> JacobTabak: In android if you don't specify a weight sum for things the default weight sum is 1 for the entire layout. Not sure if it's the same for GridView
Nov 07 20:10:27 <JacobTabak> err i'm pretty sure it's calculated by the sum of the weights of the children for linearlayout
Nov 07 20:11:02 <cheater> do you guys prefer any specific pastebin?
Nov 07 20:11:42 <after_r> pastebin.mozilla.org
Nov 07 20:12:10 <JacobTabak> guess this view is just not meant for what I'm trying to do with it
Nov 07 20:12:10 <yiati> JacobTabak: err yeah that's right " If unspecified, the sum is computed by adding the layout_weight of all of the children"
Nov 07 20:12:18 <danijoo> JacobTabak: yeah. if you specify weights for children it assumes the total weight is the sum of children
Nov 07 20:12:45 <cheater> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7171745
Nov 07 20:12:46 <JacobTabak> i just want a grid of imageviews that wraps content vertically (so not a GridView)
Nov 07 20:12:49 <cheater> those are the errors i'm seeing
Nov 07 20:12:52 <JacobTabak> and tablelayout sucks because I have to manually add rows
Nov 07 20:12:54 <cheater> i've... not edited any of this stuff.
Nov 07 20:13:04 <danijoo> JacobTabak: what about a table?
Nov 07 20:13:11 <JacobTabak> then I have to add rows programmatically,
Nov 07 20:13:11 <cheater> i've only started a simple activity project and edited the string resource that says "hwllo world"
Nov 07 20:13:15 <cheater> "hello world"
Nov 07 20:13:23 <cheater> all of this stuff cropped up
Nov 07 20:13:30 <JacobTabak> with gridview you can just use addView and it adds it ot the correct column, but i can't get the weights to work, and i'm done wasting time on it
Nov 07 20:13:57 <danijoo> JacobTabak: i tried that once too, but the gridview api seems to be a mess
Nov 07 20:14:03 <yiati> JacobTabak: Don't layout weights for LinearLayout only go one layer down? So the GridView itself is the only thing that can use it, not it's child columns/rows
Nov 07 20:14:04 <danijoo> couldnt get it working
Nov 07 20:14:48 <JacobTabak> danijoo i was optimistic because v21 docs said they now support 'weight', and it's in support v7
Nov 07 20:14:49 <cheater> why does the console complain about so much stuff?
Nov 07 20:14:54 <JacobTabak> so i thought it was worth another try, but now i'm officiallly giving up
Nov 07 20:14:55 <cheater> it's stopping me from running the app in the avd
Nov 07 20:15:25 <danijoo> id do it with tablelayout
Nov 07 20:15:36 <JacobTabak> ya i will, just bummed out about programmatically adding tablerows
Nov 07 20:15:42 <danijoo> you can calculate the size of a view in onCreate and create the columns accordingly
Nov 07 20:17:02 <JacobTabak> yiati the concept of weight in gridview is totally different than in linearlayout
Nov 07 20:17:15 <JacobTabak> it's even a different attribute
Nov 07 20:17:23 <JacobTabak> its also dum :P
Nov 07 20:17:48 <danijoo> JacobTabak: gridLayout seems to be unusable if not built from xml (at least for me)
Nov 07 20:17:58 <JacobTabak> even with xml i can't get it to work the way i want
Nov 07 20:18:15 <JacobTabak> i think it just doesnt allow you to do anything otehr than wrap_content
Nov 07 20:18:22 <JacobTabak> so weight doesnt' really work, it only works for excess space distirbution
Nov 07 20:19:30 <danijoo> JacobTabak: Gridview with adapter isnt an option for you?
Nov 07 20:19:39 <JacobTabak> it can't scroll
Nov 07 20:19:45 <danijoo> huh?
Nov 07 20:19:46 <JacobTabak> this needs to go inside of a listview item,
Nov 07 20:19:52 <JacobTabak> so i cant have the gridview scroll
Nov 07 20:20:06 <danijoo> gridview can scroll
Nov 07 20:20:12 <JacobTabak> yea, my view can't
Nov 07 20:20:18 <JacobTabak> i need something that shows all of the cells
Nov 07 20:20:21 <JacobTabak> without scrolling
Nov 07 20:20:26 <danijoo> oh well.
Nov 07 20:20:39 <JacobTabak> so tablelayout it is
Nov 07 20:20:49 <danijoo> ^^
Nov 07 20:21:12 <cheater> danijoo / JacobTabak do you guys know where those errors might be coming from that i pasted above?
Nov 07 20:21:42 <JacobTabak> probably has something to do with eclipse and not being able to import aars with gradle
Nov 07 20:21:44 <JacobTabak> :)
Nov 07 20:23:05 <danijoo> cheater: did you set the correct api version?
Nov 07 20:23:11 <danijoo> (21)
Nov 07 20:31:06 <cheater> danijoo: i believe so... where do i set it now that the project is created?
Nov 07 20:31:17 <danijoo> in your buildGradle
Nov 07 20:31:22 <danijoo> build.gradle
Nov 07 20:31:43 <cheater> btw i figured out what the issue was with the black screen... apparently running xxhdpi doesn't work... i set a smaller screen. i think it's possibly because my laptop screen wouldn't fit the whole android emulator screen!
Nov 07 20:32:01 <cheater> danijoo: erm. i'm very new to this stuff. let me try and find that in eclipse somewhere.
Nov 07 20:32:07 <danijoo> ooh
Nov 07 20:32:09 <danijoo> eclipse
Nov 07 20:32:24 <danijoo> then its not in build.gradle
Nov 07 20:32:28 <danijoo> but i dont know ehere
Nov 07 20:35:06 <cheater> danijoo: ok let me think
Nov 07 20:35:34 <cheater> is this "build target"?
Nov 07 20:35:48 <danijoo> maybe
Nov 07 20:35:52 <cheater> "project build target" is set to android 4.2.2 which is api 17
Nov 07 20:35:56 <danijoo> i dont know what its called in eclipse
Nov 07 20:35:59 <danijoo> yeah
Nov 07 20:36:02 <danijoo> set it to 21
Nov 07 20:36:11 <danijoo> material design requires 21
Nov 07 20:36:25 <danijoo> or use another parent layout or use support library
Nov 07 20:36:34 <cheater> i don't want material design
Nov 07 20:36:41 <cheater> wait
Nov 07 20:36:56 <cheater> is the support library "appcompat_v7.jar"?
Nov 07 20:37:12 <Syzygy_> are strings required to be available in the default language?
Nov 07 20:37:39 <Syzygy_> as in, what if my app supports several languages, and a string is available in one of them, but not in the default language?
Nov 07 20:41:53 <Zharf> I'm pretty sure it uses the one that it finds
Nov 07 20:42:01 <danijoo> Syzygy_: it will fall back to english then
Nov 07 20:42:14 <danijoo> ir whatever is the default in your app
Nov 07 20:42:20 <dragorn> it will search from the translation directories up to the default res directory
Nov 07 20:42:25 <Syzygy_> danijoo, but if it's not available in the default langauge?
Nov 07 20:42:28 <Syzygy_> *language
Nov 07 20:42:32 <shipit> danijoo I'm curious too, which english? en_US?
Nov 07 20:42:33 <dragorn> i don't think you can refer to a string not defined in the base strings.xml
Nov 07 20:42:36 <Zharf> actually no, it won't use whatever it finds..
Nov 07 20:42:48 * shipit thinks dragorn is correct here
Nov 07 20:42:59 <Syzygy_> specifically, i have some strings in german, but not in english (which is the default language)
Nov 07 20:43:19 <Zharf> I'm not sure... -.-'
Nov 07 20:43:19 <Ashiren> then probably itll try to find whenever available
Nov 07 20:43:20 <Zharf> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#BestMatch
Nov 07 20:43:23 <danijoo> it falls back to that one defined in "values" folder
Nov 07 20:43:27 <Zharf> this thing is a bit confusing
Nov 07 20:43:29 <SimonVT> It'll probably complain that it can't find the resource
Nov 07 20:43:34 <dragorn> Syzygy_: lets define some things.  res/values/strings.xml is the default, res/values-XYZ/ would be the language
Nov 07 20:43:37 <danijoo> you must declare everything in that one or it will complain
Nov 07 20:43:52 <dragorn> Syzygy_: in those terms, if you don't define it in the default, you won't get a R.string.foo value to reference
Nov 07 20:44:00 <dragorn> so you probably won't be able to use it at all.
Nov 07 20:44:03 <Ashiren> i german is your main language, you should make it values
Nov 07 20:44:06 <Ashiren> and values-en for english
Nov 07 20:44:43 <dragorn> However if you define it in default strings.xml and you DON'T define it in values-de/strings.xml, then it will fall back to whatever is in default.  It'll also throw lint errors under newer gradle builds unless you disable it.
Nov 07 20:45:03 <Zharf> it'd be quite easy to test this...
Nov 07 20:45:15 <Syzygy_> well, danijoo, dragorn I can start my app (on my phone that's set to english, but once it looks up the strings that are only available in german, it crashes
Nov 07 20:45:28 <dragorn> Syzygy_: well there's your answer.
Nov 07 20:45:29 <Syzygy_> with a ResourcesNotFoundExample
Nov 07 20:45:31 <Zharf> see, there's your test
Nov 07 20:45:34 <dragorn> Syzygy_: so, don't do that.
Nov 07 20:45:38 <Syzygy_> yeah, wasn't so sure at first
Nov 07 20:45:50 <Syzygy_> dragorn, our translation tool defaults to german -.-
Nov 07 20:45:51 <dragorn> I'm surprised R scraped the other directories directly, but whatever
Nov 07 20:45:57 <danijoo> Syzygy_: german is in your values folder?
Nov 07 20:46:04 <Syzygy_> it's in values-de
Nov 07 20:46:10 <Zharf> aapt isn't very smart
Nov 07 20:46:11 <dragorn> Syzygy_: turn on lint checking then and it will warn you when strings don't exist in other directories
Nov 07 20:46:32 <Syzygy_> dragorn, we're available in like 10 languages
Nov 07 20:46:39 <Syzygy_> and not everything is translated
Nov 07 20:46:51 <dragorn> Syzygy_: you always need a string of some type in values/strings.xml for each resource.  You can lose strings in languages, you can't lose strings in default
Nov 07 20:46:56 <Syzygy_> I won't notice if i get 110 or 113 errors
Nov 07 20:47:32 <Syzygy_> I'll check if i can switch the default langauge for our strings in the translation tool to english then...
Nov 07 20:47:34 <Zharf> just make sure all of them are defined in the default language and you'll be fine
Nov 07 20:47:45 <dragorn> well, you need to clean up your shit then :)  Step one, make sure every string is defined in values/strings.xml ...  Step two, turn on lint, step three, start flagging things as translatable=false in the string resource if you know you don't have a translation
Nov 07 20:48:10 <dragorn> or, if you're a predominately german shop, move all your german to values/strings.xml and move english to values-en/strings.xml
Nov 07 20:48:20 <dragorn> it'll mean english users will get german bits, but it's better than a crash I suppose
Nov 07 20:48:32 <Syzygy_> dragorn, so for each of my 1200 strings in 10 languages?
Nov 07 20:48:37 <dragorn> Syzygy_: yup
Nov 07 20:48:45 <dragorn> Syzygy_: if you want to produce code that's reliable, yes.
Nov 07 20:49:09 <Syzygy_> nah, i prefer switching the default language in our translation tool somehow
Nov 07 20:49:26 <dragorn> you need to know what strings are used in what languages, and you need to provide a resource for all of them in your default values, or you're f'd.
Nov 07 20:49:42 <dragorn> translation: it sure sucks to do.
Nov 07 20:50:28 <dragorn> Dealing with non-roman-charset and right-to-left yet?  That's a special treat too.  When you have no idea if all the characters are even on your UI or not.
Nov 07 20:50:30 <Syzygy_> yeah i get all that, and setting the default language to english would fix all that
Nov 07 20:50:48 <Syzygy_> luckily not
Nov 07 20:51:35 <Syzygy_> well, we do deal with swedish which has some special characters though
Nov 07 20:51:37 <dragorn> Then you have to start dealing with placeholders in the text because you can't assume "installing" x "of" y is assembleable in code anymore
Nov 07 20:51:38 <cheater> Syzygy_: hi dude
Nov 07 20:51:47 <Syzygy_> hey
Nov 07 20:52:06 <cheater> weren't you into like topology and logic and stuff?
Nov 07 20:52:43 <Syzygy_> uuuhm... not sure
Nov 07 20:53:02 <cheater> may have been another Syzygy_ that i knew from a maths irc channel
Nov 07 20:53:05 <Syzygy_> I'm into quite a few things, depending on the context even those
Nov 07 20:53:24 <cheater> you didn't use to hang out in #math on efnet, did you?
Nov 07 20:53:30 <Syzygy_> I'm not a regular in the math channel
Nov 07 20:53:39 <Syzygy_> and especially not in efnet
Nov 07 20:53:42 <cheater> not now, but a few years back
Nov 07 20:53:42 <cheater> ok
Nov 07 20:53:59 <Syzygy_> not me, the name is used surprisingly often
Nov 07 20:54:03 <cheater> so it was someone else 8)
Nov 07 20:54:09 <cheater> ok :)
Nov 07 20:54:15 <Syzygy_> apperently by an admin in the feminism channel or something
Nov 07 20:54:16 <after_r> Hey guys , I get this error and I can not figure out why: Could not resolve com.android.support:support-v4:18.0.0.
Nov 07 20:54:19 <after_r>      Required by:
Nov 07 20:54:20 <cheater> hahaha
Nov 07 20:54:22 <after_r>          com.octo.android:android-sample-espresso-tests:unspecified
Nov 07 20:54:32 <after_r> I have all the support repositories installed
Nov 07 20:54:48 <Syzygy_> that's the reason why I'm Syzygy_ right now... later today I'll join there and ask her to free my nick again
Nov 07 20:54:48 <after_r> I even added url "/home/user1/.android-sdk-linux/extras/android/m2repository/" to the maven config
Nov 07 20:54:51 <after_r> in the gradle file
Nov 07 20:54:55 <Syzygy_> and then I'll force her off
Nov 07 20:55:05 <Syzygy_> since I actually have the Syzygy nick claimed
Nov 07 20:55:13 <cheater> alright guys.. i deleted all the projects from eclipse and created a new one... that created appcompat_v7 as a second project (as a library used in the main project which is an android application). this starts out with like 100 errors that talk about material api and stuff. what is going on?
Nov 07 20:58:05 <SimonVT> appcompat needs to be built against api21
Nov 07 21:02:01 <cheater> yaaay... i just got my first android app up and running.
Nov 07 21:02:14 <cheater> appcompat_v7 is absolutely broken though
Nov 07 21:02:43 <cheater> i just made a project with min api level > 14, so that papcompat is not being used
Nov 07 21:02:48 <shmooz> congratulations
Nov 07 21:02:49 <cheater> that means android 4 and newer only
Nov 07 21:03:19 <shmooz> I still try to support 2.2 and up
Nov 07 21:03:53 <Syzygy_> honestly, whoever uses a phone that old doesn't deserve to use my app
Nov 07 21:04:05 <cheater> i'm fine with supporting old stuff
Nov 07 21:04:11 <cheater> but right now the required library doesn't work.
Nov 07 21:04:13 <cheater> because it's broken.
Nov 07 21:04:15 <cheater> so i can't.
Nov 07 21:04:54 <shmooz> yeah it's a bit of a headache
Nov 07 21:06:35 <shmooz> I'm trying to make my VideoView draggable but I can't use all the new convenient methods, I gotta figure out from this  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9306243/how-to-implement-drag-and-drop-in-android-2-2
Nov 07 21:06:37 <cheater> shmooz: i created a new workspace, and a new project compatible down to android 2.2... and eclipse automatically creates an appcompat_v7 project as a library
Nov 07 21:06:53 <cheater> shmooz: but appcompat_v7 shows like 100 errors
Nov 07 21:06:57 <cheater> in fact it's 105 or something
Nov 07 21:07:14 <cheater> it shows those errors the moment the project is created
Nov 07 21:07:33 <shmooz> I don't use appcompat or support libs either
Nov 07 21:07:49 <shmooz> not a single third party lib ;)
Nov 07 21:08:13 <cheater> ah ok
Nov 07 21:08:22 <shmooz> I'll try them next app maybe
Nov 07 21:12:06 <Foxandxss> shmooz: but now with material design and having to to compat stuff for 4.x, supporting 2.x is a pain
Nov 07 21:12:27 <shmooz> Foxandxss: I'm not even looking at that stuff yet
Nov 07 21:12:45 <Foxandxss> damn cool stuff :)
Nov 07 21:12:53 <shmooz> bah humbug!
Nov 07 21:13:02 <shmooz> I'm learning 2.2
Nov 07 21:13:12 <shmooz> without crutches
Nov 07 21:13:56 <Afzal> Foxandxss, why are you bothering with 2.x support ?
Nov 07 21:14:01 <Foxandxss> we are never going to leave doing compat support
Nov 07 21:14:04 <Foxandxss> Afzal: I am not
Nov 07 21:14:07 <Foxandxss> is shmooz
Nov 07 21:14:13 <Afzal> oh
Nov 07 21:14:46 <shmooz> I've always been obsessed with backward compatibility
Nov 07 21:15:30 <shmooz> the websites I make can run on lynx or Mosaic or Netscape 1.0 ;)
Nov 07 21:15:57 <cheater> that's easy, but can they run on internet explorer 4?
Nov 07 21:15:59 <Afzal> :/ lol nuts
Nov 07 21:16:19 <Afzal> shmooz so have you played with polymer project?
Nov 07 21:16:26 <shmooz> no
Nov 07 21:16:29 <Afzal> how do you even test all that at every release?
Nov 07 21:16:50 <shmooz> I don't
Nov 07 21:18:11 <shmooz> I'll worry about Lollipop when my Nexus 7 updates to it
Nov 07 21:18:40 <shmooz> stuff works on KitKat fine for now
Nov 07 21:19:12 <after_r> well I think I solved my problem using this compile files() trick: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17907893/gradle-error-on-android-studio-startup
Nov 07 21:34:42 <g00s> hm, local db or contentprovider ...
Nov 07 21:34:54 <g00s> always wind up asking myself this on a new app ;)
Nov 07 21:35:35 <Mugwump101> What's the simplest way to get entire column values from sqlite database using cursor? For some reason, every solution involves getting only the last entry in the column. Very strange.
Nov 07 21:43:03 <astroduck> How can I get all videos on phone, ie, their path, title, duration and path to thumbnail? I read that I should use MediaStorage ContextProvider but I can't really figure out how to use it.
Nov 07 21:43:56 <TacticalJoke> Should we apply android:listSelector to a ListView, or should we apply android:background to its row (returned by BaseAdapter.getView), in order to set the selection colour?
Nov 07 21:44:11 <TacticalJoke> The former seems more complex (but it seems to make the most sense).
Nov 07 21:46:15 <TacticalJoke> I'm watching an Android advert on UK TV.
Nov 07 21:46:19 <TacticalJoke> Never seen an Android advert before.
Nov 07 21:47:40 <shmooz> astroduck: it's MediaStore, you query it using a cursor and moveToNext and whatever
Nov 07 21:50:20 <pfn> g00s, too obsessive compulsive; always a local db unless you need IPC
Nov 07 21:51:46 <astroduck> shmooz: Oops typo. I know about how to use Cursor but how do I get all the videos from MediaStore? I tried this[1] but all it gives me is a number 20833 everytime and nothing else. [1]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10503840/how-to-get-all-videos-on-android-device
Nov 07 21:52:41 <astroduck> shmooz: I did this: https://dpaste.de/D6JWE
Nov 07 21:54:19 <g00s> pfn i'm trying to think of a good replacement for CursorLoader, ContentObserver, those notifications, etc. When you get a cursor from a query, its a one time deal ... but i wonder if I should model this as Rx streams somehow so that if data is updated, a new cursor is delivered WITH a diff of rows effected
Nov 07 21:56:03 <sarbs> i find content providers to be less useful than "direct" db access
Nov 07 21:56:18 <sarbs> but my "direct" db access is usually via DAO code
Nov 07 21:56:36 <JacobTabak> file:///Applications/Android%20Studio.app/sdk/docs/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html#getClipToPadding() how did you determine this before api 21 :O
Nov 07 21:56:39 <JacobTabak> er
Nov 07 21:56:39 <JacobTabak> derp
Nov 07 21:56:46 <JacobTabak> that's a file link :P
Nov 07 21:56:59 <JacobTabak> anyway getClipToPadding added in api 21
Nov 07 21:57:29 <sarbs> so i find it super annoying because the flow turns into: load and build a java object from database, stick that java object's data into a cursor, send that cursor thru content provider, reconstitute that data into another java object, then finally use the data
Nov 07 21:57:56 <cliffreich> to support tablets it would be fine with a "large" folder and setting  android:largeScreens="true" in my manifest?
Nov 07 21:58:12 <JacobTabak> don't use large its deprecated
Nov 07 21:58:16 <JacobTabak> use min width
Nov 07 21:58:43 <JacobTabak> layout-sw600dp
Nov 07 21:58:54 <JesusFreke> it's considered politically incorrect to refer to tablets as "large"
Nov 07 21:58:59 <JesusFreke> they might get offended
Nov 07 21:59:22 <cliffreich> JacobTabak: ok adding to check
Nov 07 22:00:36 <sarbs> JesusFreke they're big and beautiful
Nov 07 22:01:08 <shmooz> astroduck: here's some code that queries mediastore for videos and their info and assigns them to arraylists  http://pastebin.com/40am9yQk
Nov 07 22:01:20 <JesusFreke> layout-bbd
Nov 07 22:01:25 <lolzballs> Would building custom roms be here or #android-root?
Nov 07 22:01:27 <JesusFreke> big and beautiful devices
Nov 07 22:01:32 <JesusFreke> lolzballs: root
Nov 07 22:02:30 <cliffreich> JacobTabak: what about the land version for tablets? a layout-sw600dp-land?
Nov 07 22:03:15 <JacobTabak> Caution: When appending multiple qualifiers, you must place them in the same order in which they are listed in table 2. If the qualifiers are ordered wrong, the resources are ignored.
Nov 07 22:03:26 <sarbs> cliffreich you might want to have it separated instead by just "width" instead of "smallest width"
Nov 07 22:03:28 <JacobTabak> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/providing-resources.html#ResourceTypes
Nov 07 22:04:00 <JacobTabak> cliffreich youer' correct though
Nov 07 22:04:08 <JacobTabak> order matters, and you guessed right
Nov 07 22:05:55 <cliffreich> ok ty. i don't even know if my app will be useful for tablets but i def want to learn that part heh
Nov 07 22:07:07 <astroduck> shmooz: Awesome! Thanks a lot :) That saved me days of headache ^_^
Nov 07 22:07:21 <in_deep_thought> can someone point me to the android code samples link on the google developer site. Everything seems to redirect me to the index page
Nov 07 22:07:31 <in_deep_thought> like this: http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/graphics/CameraPreview.html
Nov 07 22:07:36 <shmooz> astroduck: there are still undeclared stuff in there, but you can figure out what they are
Nov 07 22:07:46 <JacobTabak> in_deep_thought you can download them with the SDK manager
Nov 07 22:07:57 <JacobTabak> but yes that site is dumb
Nov 07 22:08:14 <in_deep_thought> JacobTabak: ah ha. thank you. is there any way to view them online?
Nov 07 22:08:24 <JacobTabak> i haven't found a good way
Nov 07 22:10:03 <Nirvash> So I have an integer in my program and when the int exceeds 7 digits my app crashes.. ideas? 0_o
Nov 07 22:13:27 <astroduck> Nirvash: Use long?
Nov 07 22:13:42 <Nirvash> I tried that and it still crashes at 8 characters =/
Nov 07 22:14:34 <g00s> fix it ?
Nov 07 22:14:44 <g00s> sure its not the int's fault :)
Nov 07 22:14:49 <astroduck> Then something else is wrong, long's max value is 9*10E18
Nov 07 22:14:58 <astroduck> approx.
Nov 07 22:15:08 <Nirvash> astroduck: Okay, so that fixed 90% of it
Nov 07 22:15:10 <jimcooncat> how do I tell what Build-tools versions and Android versions to load in the SDK Manager? I need a handholding guide to this as well as specifying AVD's
Nov 07 22:15:32 <Nirvash> It turns out that the one breaking is 20 characters, I'm going to check code
Nov 07 22:16:50 <Nirvash> astroduck: So all of my ints are identical, yet the 20 digit one is crashing the app... I'm using "long", thoughts? 0_o
Nov 07 22:17:49 <Nirvash> Caused by: java.lang.NumberFormatException: Invalid int: "12345678901234567890"
Nov 07 22:18:33 <JacobTabak> that's a long
Nov 07 22:18:38 <lolzballs> Are you doing Integer.parseInt(string) and then wrapping it to long?
Nov 07 22:18:39 <JacobTabak> and it says invalid int
Nov 07 22:18:41 <lolzballs> casting*
Nov 07 22:18:52 <JacobTabak> or you're not using the right symbol in your number formatter for a long
Nov 07 22:19:03 <JacobTabak> nm thats nto the issue
Nov 07 22:19:10 <JacobTabak> but you definitely are referring to it as an int somewhere
Nov 07 22:19:33 <Nirvash> long int_PreviousAccount = Integer.parseInt(PreviousAccount.getText().toString());
Nov 07 22:19:42 <lolzballs> Yeah dont do that
Nov 07 22:19:48 <lolzballs> Integer.parseInt creates an int
Nov 07 22:19:52 <lolzballs> and int can't fit that
Nov 07 22:20:05 <Nirvash> >_< okay, so what do I do?
Nov 07 22:20:20 <lolzballs> Use Long.parseLong((PreviousAccount.getText().toString())
Nov 07 22:20:39 <Birk_> anyone know a good lib to manage file uploads?
Nov 07 22:20:47 <astroduck> Nirvash: ummm, use Long.parseLong()?
Nov 07 22:21:47 <astroduck> Every primitive datatype has a wrapper class, use Int for int Double for double, etc
Nov 07 22:22:18 <lolzballs> Even Void :P
Nov 07 22:22:41 <pfn> a long can't hold 20 digits
Nov 07 22:22:46 <pfn> a double can
Nov 07 22:24:07 <SilentByte> Is there any way to retrieve and modify an Activity's bundle outside of the lifecycle methods?
Nov 07 22:24:48 <SilentByte> More specifically, inside of my own method that doesn't have a "Bundle savedInstanceState" parameter?
Nov 07 22:24:53 <pfn> Actually, I don't know what 2^63 is
Nov 07 22:25:08 <pfn> pass it one
Nov 07 22:25:40 <SilentByte> Without depending on lifecycle methods
Nov 07 22:26:19 <pfn> you always must depend on life cycle methods
Nov 07 22:26:38 <pfn> if you are outside of the life cycle then you are in an invalid state
Nov 07 22:28:01 <Nirvash> Sigh... sometimes I think I'm retarded, thanks guys
Nov 07 22:28:31 <g00s> pfn does your acra thingy tell you what model phone the crash occurred on ?
Nov 07 22:28:53 <pfn> MAX_VALUE	9223372036854775807L
Nov 07 22:28:55 <pfn> g00s, yeah
Nov 07 22:29:11 <g00s> pfn have you seen any weird crashes on samsung 4.2.x devices ?
Nov 07 22:29:14 <SilentByte> My problem is that I have an AsyncTask running in the background. When that returns I want to set a global variable in the Activity. That global variable should be saved in the bundle. But... A configuration change may occur in which 1) onSavedInstanceState is called 2) Async task returns and updates the global variable (but onSavedInstanceState already triggered with the old value) 3)
Nov 07 22:29:14 <SilentByte> Activity is destroyed and recreated
Nov 07 22:29:16 <g00s> seems related to toolbar
Nov 07 22:29:32 <pfn> g00s, dunno, I don't use toolbar
Nov 07 22:35:30 <g00s> seems a bunch of things actually, including android.support.v7.internal.view.menu.MenuBuilder
Nov 07 22:35:46 <g00s> and PopupMenu
Nov 07 22:38:25 <SilentByte> So is there no guaranteed way to save a value returned from an AsyncTask in the bundle?
Nov 07 22:41:49 <cliffreich> SilenByte: i thought about broadcastreceivers and services instead asynctask, still to lazy to implement those
Nov 07 22:42:25 <cliffreich> or just broadcastreceiver
Nov 07 22:43:11 <SilentByte> hmm... Not familiar with those. I'll have to look into it.
Nov 07 22:44:25 <SilentByte> Seems like such a simple task... Run an AsyncTask, get the return value, store it as a global, and save it in the Bundle. But the config changes are killing me. :(
Nov 07 22:45:22 <cliffreich> SilentByte same here... i'm trying to handle rotations and all those config changes. when you force portrait everything is so easy
Nov 07 22:46:32 <cliffreich> only rotation is a high risk of 1000 config changes
Nov 07 22:48:22 <SilentByte> Actually I plan to force portrait for this particular app. But I'd still like the comfort in knowing that it's ready to handle config changes should I change my mind.
Nov 07 22:49:48 <cliffreich> i wonder if making a service for data reception in these cases (asynctasks and so...) would be a good thing. services are always up but that might violate some rules
Nov 07 22:50:42 <cliffreich> so if activity.isChangingConfigurations is true, post to the service and stop fooling around
Nov 07 22:52:52 <whatitis-> silentbyte, what do you mean store it as global? you mean just an instance variable of your activity class?
Nov 07 22:53:00 <SilentByte> yes
Nov 07 22:53:57 <whatitis-> what kind of data are you retreiving? is it on a network, or just a local computation?
Nov 07 22:54:23 <SilentByte> Problem is that it's possible for the AsyncTask to return after onSaveInstanceState has been called but before the Activity has been fully destroyed. So the activity gets recreated and pulls the old value from the bundle because the new value never had a chance to be stored
Nov 07 22:55:37 <whatitis-> depending on data, can save it to preferences, or anyother disk file. what effect does the data you are getting have on app. whats it for
Nov 07 22:55:40 <SilentByte> In this case it's just a database updating task. It will retrieve some values from a remote database and store them in the local SQLite database on the device.
Nov 07 22:56:15 <SilentByte> I just want to set an "mDoneUpdatingDatabase = true" flag when that completes
Nov 07 22:56:18 <SilentByte> and save it in the bundle
Nov 07 22:59:11 <whatitis-> in asynctask on postexecute if reference to activity is null, save it to disk. on activity recreate check bool if false, set a timer to poll. there are probably numerous ways to get what you want. its just narrowing it down
Nov 07 23:00:02 <whatitis-> can always use intentservice too
Nov 07 23:00:03 <SilentByte> Reference to activity is never null. The task is executed in a retained fragment that calls back to the Activity.
Nov 07 23:00:26 <whatitis-> ah, then on attach, update it
Nov 07 23:01:21 <cliffreich> whatisis-: i read that intentservice will be destroyed after its task is complete. what if Activity already called onSave when the task is completed
Nov 07 23:03:03 <whatitis-> seems like should be less worrying about onSave and more if detach, wait for attach, if destroy before reattach cache the result
Nov 07 23:03:38 <whatitis-> hes doing the work in a fragment, originally thought in activity
Nov 07 23:04:12 <cheater> hey guys
Nov 07 23:08:00 <cliffreich> whatitis- does using preference would add unwanted latency? is it reasonable to create a service for data reception when activity onSave was called but intentservices/asynctaks are posting data?
Nov 07 23:09:19 <cliffreich> (not like SilentByte case with fragment, more like mine)
Nov 07 23:12:30 <ktwo> hi im having difficulties with widgets.. I want to update the widget (once) after android boots, but onUpdate wont get called. any idea?
Nov 07 23:16:51 <cliffreich> JacobTabak what do you think about that
Nov 07 23:17:20 <B0BBY> intersting. reboot on my server isn't rebooting it.
Nov 07 23:17:42 <B0BBY> time for button push boot!
Nov 07 23:18:36 <whatitis-> cliffreich, just retreiving a boolean wouldnt add any noticeable latency. it all matters on data you are retreiving. he just wants a yes/no value.
Nov 07 23:19:22 <JacobTabak> is that true whatitis- ?
Nov 07 23:19:43 <whatitis-> is what true?
Nov 07 23:19:51 <JacobTabak> that the type of data yoer' retrieving affects latency
Nov 07 23:19:54 <JacobTabak> i'm almost sure that it doesn't
Nov 07 23:20:03 <JacobTabak> for shared prefs
Nov 07 23:20:44 <JacobTabak> its probably a stream-based parser
Nov 07 23:20:53 <whatitis-> I was saying it doesnt effect it, but like I said it depends on manythings, to decide how to store it
Nov 07 23:21:13 <cliffreich> problem is i receive some custom objects from my asynctasks :/
Nov 07 23:22:28 <cliffreich> maybe a service instead asyntasks is more for me
Nov 07 23:23:25 <whatitis-> if the data you want is on disk, and is quite large, then reading would add latency depending on frequency of reads and such. everything just depends on full knowledge of what is to be completed. to make safe calls on how todo something
Nov 07 23:23:26 <_genuser_> hello people.
Nov 07 23:23:48 <SilentByte> hello person.
Nov 07 23:24:03 <B0BBY> hey all.
Nov 07 23:25:29 <B0BBY> rebooting sucks.
Nov 07 23:26:13 <whatitis-> cliffreich, custom objects dont matter as much as how they are to be used. if throw away data, then just discard and re-get. if persistant across open close of app, save the data appropriately and read as needed if not in memory
Nov 07 23:29:42 <cliffreich> whatitis- its very important data and reasonable size obtained from internet, re-get isn't an option, saving would add latency. (yes i have a cache function so i have some knowledge about getting/saving times)
Nov 07 23:30:17 <OERIAS> Hello
Nov 07 23:30:24 <whatitis-> saving would remove latency of redownloading
Nov 07 23:31:29 <whatitis-> if it is important/persistent data, youd wanna save it to disk anyways at some point
Nov 07 23:58:43 <MikeWallaceDev> hey all, happy Friday evening!
Nov 07 23:59:00 <shadynastys> https://gist.github.com/px-amaac/cbb318339ccbeefe038e Ok I have created an app that domos my problem. 3 buttons. button1 launches main. button 2 launches B. and button 3 crashes the app with out of bounds exception. If you launch this demo app, Launch a few activities then crash the app it resumes the activity behind it. How can i stop this? If the app crashes all activities should close.
Nov 07 23:59:36 <shadynastys> I actually was not aware that the android OS attempts to resume activities on the backstack when an app crashes.
Nov 07 23:59:52 <shadynastys> until i made this dumb demo app
Nov 08 00:01:28 <whatitis-> if it crashes,  maybe fix the crash, or even if crashes and reloads backstack whats the issue? can always finish activities when starting others
Nov 08 00:02:11 <whatitis-> also can finish*
Nov 08 00:02:44 <shadynastys> where can you finish. How do you know it is a crash instead of a resume of the activity?
Nov 08 00:02:51 <shadynastys> to finish.
Nov 08 00:03:14 <shadynastys> and that means i need a parent activity that checks if its crashed and calls finish?
Nov 08 00:03:29 <whatitis-> you can do a finish() in activity after calling startActivity
Nov 08 00:03:58 <whatitis-> if crashing, then that needs fixed
Nov 08 00:04:07 <shadynastys> omg its a demo app
Nov 08 00:04:11 <whatitis-> omg
Nov 08 00:04:16 <shadynastys> forget about the crash.
Nov 08 00:04:22 <whatitis-> how?
Nov 08 00:04:31 <whatitis-> by fixing it
Nov 08 00:04:44 <whatitis-> whats the real question?
Nov 08 00:05:40 <whatitis-> you shouldnt be adding logic to hey I crashed do this blindly, you should be preparing for crash situations and going forth
Nov 08 00:06:35 <shadynastys> ok i get this. I would like to make all of my activities resume gracefully no matter what happens.
Nov 08 00:06:56 <whatitis-> if a crash happens beyond all logic, you get the report and adjust. you shouldnt be designing for an uncaught crash, as there are a million ways/bugs for that
Nov 08 00:07:15 <shadynastys> handle the exception log it and then move on without crashing the app
Nov 08 00:07:19 <shadynastys> I understand this
Nov 08 00:07:21 <whatitis-> are you getting crashes based on buggy api?
Nov 08 00:07:44 <whatitis-> buggy api of android
Nov 08 00:08:02 <whatitis-> or something you can forsee?
Nov 08 00:08:06 <shadynastys> I am telling you that my requirements are. When the app crashes. Crash it all the way. Do not resume the activities behind it
Nov 08 00:08:19 <whatitis-> but why is it crashing
Nov 08 00:09:29 <shadynastys> I know what the crash is. I have a fix for the current major crash. But In the future If anythings crashes I would like the app to fail and not make the attempt to restart the activity on the back stack
Nov 08 00:09:38 <whatitis-> there are ways to tell if activities are resumed, then you can check values of whatever to see if resumed based on logic you wanted, or if resumed based on stack
Nov 08 00:09:42 <shadynastys> its actually not even something that i want
Nov 08 00:09:55 <shadynastys> Its is something that is in my requirements for the app
Nov 08 00:10:27 <whatitis-> just keep check on your activity lifecycle, if hits such lifecycle check for legitimate or reload.
Nov 08 00:10:45 <shadynastys> ok i got you so..
Nov 08 00:10:48 <whatitis-> not trying to be a dick, just hard to follow your flow based on words
Nov 08 00:10:57 <shadynastys> no i get it man
Nov 08 00:11:05 <shadynastys> i know your trying to help
Nov 08 00:11:28 <shadynastys> and i understand what you are telling me but my requirements are what they are
Nov 08 00:11:30 <whatitis-> what is crashing you, we can start there
Nov 08 00:11:48 <shadynastys> right now i know the crash. it is an API issue
Nov 08 00:11:52 <shadynastys> i have a fix for it
Nov 08 00:12:05 <whatitis-> what is it though, the error
Nov 08 00:12:24 <shadynastys> ahh some Parcel error
Nov 08 00:12:46 <whatitis-> reading the parcel or writing
Nov 08 00:12:50 <shadynastys> I was using Readvalue write value and trying to cast to types that i want
Nov 08 00:13:22 <shadynastys> it failed in read because it wrote a null value to a string and then i was trying to cast a null value to a string in the read
Nov 08 00:13:32 <whatitis-> can you paste any code and trace?
Nov 08 00:13:41 <whatitis-> whyd it write null?
Nov 08 00:14:01 <jrummy> So I made the Android 5.0 Easter Egg into a game and to my surprise it has done fairly well. In just a couple days I have around 3 thousand downloads. I went to look at the "Top New Free" section in Google Play and noticed tons of crappy games with 10,000 downloads and almost zero reviews and +1s. I remember getting spammed with emails to buy installs in the past and I have a hunch these games are buying installs to get noticed. I 
Nov 08 00:14:06 <whatitis-> you can fix read with null check, but if you arent wanting null, we can fix the write
Nov 08 00:14:06 <jrummy> My question is, do you guys of ways these games are getting 10,000+ installs with no reviews? What are they doing to get such high installs?
Nov 08 00:14:20 <shadynastys> because when reading values in JSON if a value is not in the POJO GSON writes NULL for that value
Nov 08 00:14:47 <shadynastys> sorrry if the value that it is expecting in the pojo is not in the json it writes NULL
Nov 08 00:15:23 <jrummy> * know of ways
Nov 08 00:15:26 <shadynastys> jrummy: there is such a thing as buying installs
Nov 08 00:15:28 <whatitis-> jrummy, their are networks for that. plus if from china, probaly easier to fill dls
Nov 08 00:16:02 <Ologn> Oh I'm getting 5.0.0 installs
Nov 08 00:16:07 <shadynastys> Spend X amount af money on ad for the game = Y amount of installs
Nov 08 00:16:27 <jrummy> Do you have a link to these networks? Again, not looking to buy installs. I was thinking of writing a blog post about it.
Nov 08 00:16:34 <Ologn> october 22nd was the first 5.0.0 install, now I get 3-5 a day
Nov 08 00:16:41 <shadynastys> divide X/Y to get cost per install
Nov 08 00:19:15 <whatitis-> jrummy, just google buying users/reviews. everything is marketed. main thing is how much do you care? if I came across an app w 10k dls and less than 50 reviews, id be hesitant. is it just hurting your rankings? if so is it hurting your userbase, or you still getting your users
Nov 08 00:19:38 <shadynastys> whatitis: i think you solved my issue here "then you can check values of whatever to see if resumed based on logic you wanted, or if resumed based on stack"
Nov 08 00:19:50 <shadynastys> I am going to run with that for now
Nov 08 00:20:15 <jrummy> whatitis-: Still getting downloads. It just pisses me off that in order to get in the top new free section you have to pretty much cheat your way in.
Nov 08 00:20:47 <whatitis-> shadynastys, thats best I can do without code, but your activities are in control of showing anything based on the data you expect. if stuff is null, expect just a fresh start
Nov 08 00:21:34 <whatitis-> jrummy, yea it sucks, but its a business. and if you are jrummy16, your quality and name will get you your users
Nov 08 00:22:06 <jrummy> haha.. that does help :P
Nov 08 00:22:36 <shadynastys> Thankyou Sir. We are losing Oauth credentials when the app crashes the first time. So the activities behind it are not able to resume and get data. I wanted to make them get credentials again but that solution got voted down b/c too many changes.
Nov 08 00:22:53 <whatitis-> I know :) I made an app for lithmod, and know how well your name works. but ppl will always cheat, cant avoid it
Nov 08 00:23:49 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I am trying to achieve something but just having trouble how to approach it. I compile a list in listview, and when I click on a item in the listview I want an image to pop up in imageView of the item I click on, I looked at objects and hashmap but I could not figure it out, anyideas? I don't want to use if statements.
Nov 08 00:24:52 <whatitis-> shadynastys,  if on loading activity and cant get auth based on cycle of activity then assume reload from crash. but seriously fix the crash if you can
Nov 08 00:25:36 <jrummy> whatitis-: thanks man. I guess I'll go do some more google searches for buying reviews. I was googling for buying installs and nothing was coming up.
Nov 08 00:26:27 <whatitis-> there are probably tons of buy review sites, but yours seem more towards a bot net of installs
Nov 08 00:27:34 <whatitis-> demon, are you using a dialog for onitemclick or an imageview in layout outside listview?
Nov 08 00:27:39 <jrummy> whatitis-: that's what I assumed these guys were doing since they didn't have too many reviews but 10k+ installs
Nov 08 00:28:20 <Demon_Jester> whatitis imageView in layout outside of listview
Nov 08 00:28:30 <whatitis-> jrummy, are they paid apps? check the location of seller, probably china or such that bot networks are common
Nov 08 00:29:04 <whatitis-> demon, so setting onitemclick of listview whats not working?
Nov 08 00:30:38 <shadynastys> jrummy:most of the time sales/marketing teams buy the installs. I think our installs aquired through facebook. Just setup facebook ads for your app and run some ad campaigns.
Nov 08 00:31:57 <whatitis-> also jrummy, how are installs calculated, do reinstalls affect it? there are probably a million ways to fake values. also can you flag such apps if not legit
Nov 08 00:32:31 <jrummy> whatitis-: Not sure how Google counts downloads/installs
Nov 08 00:32:35 <shadynastys> ya installs might not mean active installs
Nov 08 00:33:00 <Demon_Jester> whatitis sorry I think I misunderstood you here is sample code of my onitemclick http://pastie.org/9703979
Nov 08 00:33:20 <Demon_Jester> whatitis I just want avoid using 100+ if statements.
Nov 08 00:33:53 <whatitis-> id flag those apps if you have the resources, otherwise if you are still getting an expected amount of new users you just gotta accept cheaters, and go forth with your product
Nov 08 00:34:03 <jrummy> Not looking to make $ off the game so I think I'll just pass on any marketing. More of a fun little side project. I guess I just think it kinda sucks you have to do so much advertising/buying reviews to get into the top new free section
Nov 08 00:35:57 <whatitis-> demon, onitemclick, get position and set imageview
Nov 08 00:36:47 <Demon_Jester> I would do that, but I also have another small code that has search functionality and it would change position and display wrong image to position..
Nov 08 00:37:06 <in_deep_thought> I am a noob trying to develop my first camera app. Does it make more sense for me to try and use the camera2 api or the camera api? Seeing as camera2 will become the de-facto from here on out. Yet will old phones work with it?
Nov 08 00:37:21 <in_deep_thought> Im pretty much starting from scratch
Nov 08 00:37:21 <Demon_Jester> I noticed in R.java the int for my images, if I could somehow declare those int to image.
Nov 08 00:37:48 <whatitis-> your search should filter the adapter, or adjust position keeping full data and just giving position
Nov 08 00:38:29 <Demon_Jester> whatitis hold on I will show you my search code
Nov 08 00:39:01 <Demon_Jester> whatitis http://pastie.org/9703986
Nov 08 00:39:45 <Demon_Jester> so in some fashion I have to modify it to keep the current position.
Nov 08 00:40:12 <whatitis-> looks like you are updating the adapter,  so position should be valid
Nov 08 00:40:44 <Demon_Jester> by valid do you mean unchanged?
Nov 08 00:42:28 <whatitis-> no I mean setadapter when new onitem should be valid with filtered list
Nov 08 00:43:28 <Demon_Jester> I am sorry I still don't know what you mean.
Nov 08 00:44:02 <whatitis-> id probably change that code though, instead of resetting adapter, update the data for the adapter
Nov 08 00:44:46 <whatitis-> you have listview.setadapter (temp), id only set adapter once, and update data as needed
Nov 08 00:45:00 <whatitis-> create new methods in your adapter code
Nov 08 00:45:46 <whatitis-> create an adapter that extends baseadapter and add methods to filter etc
Nov 08 00:46:07 <Afzal> how is this even : https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4ngg7lf2vo455t/Screenshot%202014-11-07%2019.46.01.png?dl=0
Nov 08 00:46:35 <Afzal> so Integer and Double can coexist in the same ArrayList :/ wrf
Nov 08 00:47:08 <whatitis-> if you keep it generic?
Nov 08 00:47:40 <Afzal> whatitis-, well I guess it is generic since it's from a generic map value :(
Nov 08 00:48:07 <whatitis-> youd need to specify type when defining your list
Nov 08 00:49:33 <whatitis-> List <Integer> list = new ArrayList <Integer>()
Nov 08 00:50:31 <Afzal> whatitis-, this array is from a json map. So when I cast it, the types are mixed inside the array list
Nov 08 00:50:37 <Afzal> it's okay
Nov 08 00:50:39 <Afzal> thanks!
Nov 08 00:51:07 <whatitis-> you got it?
Nov 08 00:51:32 <Afzal> Yeah, instead of running toArray, which fails, I'll just traverse and cast/convert it myself
Nov 08 00:51:33 <Afzal> :)
Nov 08 00:51:44 <whatitis-> cool :)
Nov 08 00:53:17 <whatitis-> can always create an object to use that has both types, and set as needed
Nov 08 00:54:14 <whatitis-> that way list is one object, but has capability to have either type
Nov 08 00:55:32 <cliffreich> so, for boolean flags can i just use a static variable to avoid onSave and all that?
Nov 08 00:55:36 <JacobTabak> did anyone else notice some weird code style settings change with recent version of AS? specifically, when I add a new field it gets added to the bottom rather than the top. i know how to change it back, just think it's really bizarre that would just change ?
Nov 08 00:55:50 <JacobTabak> cliffreich uhhh don't use a static variable
Nov 08 00:55:53 <JacobTabak> unless you really know what you'er doing
Nov 08 00:56:30 <JacobTabak> i have an activity and fragment base class that call Icepick.saveInstanceState and Icepick.restoreInstanceState() for me automatically
Nov 08 00:56:31 <cliffreich> JacobTabak a boolean flag to check if some operation was done to avoid storing a boolean in onSave
Nov 08 00:56:36 <JacobTabak> so i just annotate stuff I want to save with @Icicle
Nov 08 00:56:43 <JacobTabak> yea, dont do that,
Nov 08 00:56:50 <JacobTabak> save it the right way
Nov 08 00:57:20 <JacobTabak> cliff if the user is multitasking you have no guarantee the app will still be in memory when they come back to your app
Nov 08 00:57:50 <cliffreich> also, my AS seems to have issues with the designer, i even had some leaking and another layout 2 had the values i was changing on layout 1!
Nov 08 00:58:19 <cliffreich> oh that sounds bad. yes then i guess ill just save those
Nov 08 00:59:29 <JacobTabak> another thing is by default you can have multiple instances of activities
Nov 08 00:59:54 <JacobTabak> and static is bad for testing also
Nov 08 01:00:47 <cliffreich> also.. whats @Icicle?
Nov 08 01:01:38 <cliffreich> oh found icepick
Nov 08 01:01:39 <JacobTabak> icepick
Nov 08 01:01:51 <whatitis-> icicle is a cupcake thing, or im off
Nov 08 01:02:33 <JacobTabak> cliffreich if you use that, put it in a base activity, otherwise it won't save you much effort
Nov 08 01:02:48 <JacobTabak> because you still need to call Icepick.saveInstanceState() and Icepick.restoreInstanceState()
Nov 08 01:03:21 <whatitis-> cliffreich, get more descriptive, your idea is more than capable, but just not described enough
Nov 08 01:08:28 <cliffreich> whatitis- i was thinking that static vars could help to store boolean flags/primitive types to avoid saving all that stuff in onSave (i have a boolean flag to check if weather was loaded). but seems like its a bad idea as jacobtabak said.
Nov 08 01:09:36 <cliffreich> i know that they don't persist if the app gets destroyed, but i understand that they are preserved if only activities are destroyed
Nov 08 01:11:20 <cliffreich> also, i ignore the method android use to make them persist and when it's called.
Nov 08 01:12:38 <whatitis-> pretty much, think of activites as loaders, get your data anyway you want, the activity is just a front. so where are you getting data and you need activity to load
Nov 08 01:14:41 <cliffreich> oh
Nov 08 01:16:58 <whatitis-> data off main thread is detrimental,  getting it to ui is your case. and to get it on ui is however you want
Nov 08 01:17:52 <whatitis-> who cares about config change, its simply to accept change and get what you need
Nov 08 01:24:54 <Afzal> is there a good app to learn shared elements animations from?
Nov 08 01:25:00 <Afzal>  The sample app is terribly lack lustre
Nov 08 01:28:35 <Afzal> Some transition like this https://developer.android.com/design/material/videos/ContactsAnim.mp4
Nov 08 01:30:09 <whatitis-> shared animation?
Nov 08 01:37:00 <Afzal> Shared elements, lollipop feature.http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26600239/animate-imageview-between-two-activities-using-shared-element-transitions-with-c
Nov 08 01:50:30 <after_r> Hello... can someone tell me what font rendering system does the android OS use to render font?
Nov 08 01:51:08 <after_r> I want to disable font anti-aliasing system wide and I think that re-compiling the OS (like cyanogenmod) with the anti aliasing hard coded to be off is the only way
Nov 08 01:51:19 <after_r> unless it can be disabled with a config file, btu I cant find any info on that
Nov 08 01:51:41 <after_r> is the system called Skia?
Nov 08 01:52:36 <after_r> or JNI? because both of those code bases in the aosp have anti aliasing stuff
Nov 08 01:52:44 <after_r> where would i disable this?
Nov 08 01:56:37 <TacticalJoke> My ListView has "android:choiceMode='singleChoice'" set.  I want users to be able to remove any selection by clicking the background of the ListView.  How can I do this?  ListView.setOnClickListener throws an exception, suggesting that I use ListView.setOnItemClickListener (which, of course, doesn't do what I want to achieve).
Nov 08 01:56:44 <JesusFreke> after_r: I would expect it to happen in skia
Nov 08 01:56:51 <JesusFreke> but that's just an informed guess :)
Nov 08 02:07:32 <Muchoz_> I like Android Studio 0.9.2's new design: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ej2rrr47xkce33p/Schermafdruk%202014-11-08%2003.06.46.png?dl=0
Nov 08 02:08:45 <Muchoz_> I removed the image, woopsie some sensitive information :D
Nov 08 02:09:06 <JesusFreke> oh, I should take a closer look then ;)
Nov 08 02:09:33 <Muchoz_> JesusFreke, well there isn't anything that you can do with it though.
Nov 08 02:09:54 <JesusFreke> I couldn't deal with a translucent window like that. way to noisy, visually
Nov 08 02:09:57 <JesusFreke> too*
Nov 08 02:10:23 <Muchoz> JesusFreke, I was being sarcastic.
Nov 08 02:10:32 <JesusFreke> oh, good :)
Nov 08 02:10:46 <Blenderite> Is there a way to upload a app as unlisted or something that is only accessible by a link?
Nov 08 02:11:01 <Muchoz> Blenderite, beta?
Nov 08 02:11:03 <JesusFreke> you could make it a beta app
Nov 08 02:11:08 <Blenderite> ok
Nov 08 02:19:48 <parametaortho> What's most preferable for maintaining app state, overriding the app's Application class or using a static class?
Nov 08 02:20:23 <g00s> in AS when I neither
Nov 08 02:20:27 <g00s> lol
Nov 08 02:20:31 <g00s> parametaortho neither
Nov 08 02:20:53 <parametaortho> g00s: what would you suggest?
Nov 08 02:21:10 <after_r> btw, the reason I want to disable font anti aliasing (which seems to be baked in) is the same as this person: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4236214?tstart=0
Nov 08 02:22:07 <g00s> parametaortho http://developer.android.com/guide/faq/framework.html#3
Nov 08 02:22:12 <TacticalJoke> I'm subclassing Application in my current app.  Any globals that need a Context can get it.
Nov 08 02:22:33 <TacticalJoke> Singletons are a bad idea, IMO.
Nov 08 02:22:33 <parametaortho> g00s: lol
Nov 08 02:22:39 <TacticalJoke> Many call them anti-patterns, with good reason.
Nov 08 02:23:01 <parametaortho> TacticalJoke: I'm inclined to think the same way.
Nov 08 02:23:02 <TacticalJoke> I'm talking about pure singletons, to be clear.  Not "global state holders" or whatever.
Nov 08 02:23:54 <g00s> singletons / static are ok for ephermal / complex data structures, active objects (like sockets in a service, etc)
Nov 08 02:24:05 <g00s> depends what you call state
Nov 08 02:25:08 <g00s> if its ok that the state is lost if the process is killed, then fine
Nov 08 02:26:09 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I do this only for stuff that can be killed or stuff that's being persisted to the hard disk.
Nov 08 02:26:57 <parametaortho> Good points.
Nov 08 02:27:10 <parametaortho> Thanks for the ideas.
Nov 08 02:27:30 <TacticalJoke> parametaortho:  Personally, I'm using an Application subclass that has static members and static accessors.
Nov 08 02:27:44 <TacticalJoke> Stuff that needs a Context can be instantiated in Application.onCreate.
Nov 08 02:27:58 <TacticalJoke> And it's statically accessed later (keeping things simple).
Nov 08 02:28:02 <parametaortho> TacticalJoke: I think I'll end up doing the same, it's conveniently there and I can hook the lifecycle if I need to.
Nov 08 02:28:22 <TacticalJoke> Just be careful not to hold onto Contexts.  :D
Nov 08 02:28:31 <TacticalJoke> (I think.)
Nov 08 02:28:47 <parametaortho> Haha, that won't be a problem. :)
Nov 08 02:29:24 <TacticalJoke> Your username makes me think "Dat parameter tho".  I'm guessing that wasn't the intended effect.
Nov 08 02:29:35 <SilentByte> lol
Nov 08 02:30:13 <parametaortho> Nope, couldn't remember arene substitution patterns in chem.
Nov 08 02:30:19 <parametaortho> Haha
Nov 08 02:30:32 <TacticalJoke> :)
Nov 08 02:30:56 <parametaortho> The More You Know
Nov 08 02:31:01 <parametaortho> Anyway, thanks for the pointers.
Nov 08 02:33:38 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, right now, my app shows a context menu when the user taps (short-presses) a ListView item.  I know context menus are old-school, so I'm thinking of using a contextual action bar.  But I feel that the latter should be used only for long-presses.  The problem is that I don't want the user to have to long-press.
Nov 08 02:33:44 <TacticalJoke> Should I stick with a context menu?
Nov 08 02:34:54 <g00s> TacticalJoke i'm putting an ActionMenuBar in mine
Nov 08 02:36:04 <g00s> oh wait, ActionMenuView
Nov 08 02:38:56 <g00s> word on the street is appcompat is buggier than hell. that begs the question then - should be called AppUncompat ?
Nov 08 02:39:21 <JakeWharton> it's not that buggy
Nov 08 02:39:25 <JakeWharton> 1. people do stupid shit
Nov 08 02:39:28 <JakeWharton> 2. OEMs do stupid shit
Nov 08 02:41:14 <poutine> I've used it without bugs, but I'm of the mindset now that no money for a modern handset == no money for apps
Nov 08 02:42:07 <JakeWharton> that is very logical of you
Nov 08 02:44:18 <g00s> poutine can you elaborate? i didn't follow. are you saying users should have modern handsets, and as such appcompat isn't necessary ?
Nov 08 02:45:13 <g00s> hm, new gdrive fab button slides out a bottom sheet
Nov 08 02:46:26 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Hmm, I don't know much about ActionMenuView.
Nov 08 02:46:30 <TacticalJoke> I just googled, but it didn't tell me much.
Nov 08 02:46:36 <TacticalJoke> Is that like a context menu but in the action bar/
Nov 08 02:46:48 <TacticalJoke> ?*
Nov 08 02:49:14 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, "android:listSelector", when applied to a ListView, doesn't play nicely with "android:choiceMode='multipleChoiceMode'" (and perhaps other choice modes).
Nov 08 02:49:35 <TacticalJoke> Modal*
Nov 08 02:54:51 <TacticalJoke> What are y'all using for minSdkVersion nowadays?  I'm still on 14.
Nov 08 02:59:20 <g00s> i'm using 16
Nov 08 02:59:42 <g00s> raviloi is using donut i think
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