**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 13 03:00:00 2014
Nov 13 03:00:21 <JacobTab_> using emulator or device?
Nov 13 03:01:32 <PushFTim> emulator atm(bluestacks)
Nov 13 03:02:31 <JacobTab_> i was going to suggest making sure the date/time are set correctly
Nov 13 03:11:41 <kot09> Hey guys, I'm new to Android dev. Is it possible to have two xml files for string resources?
Nov 13 03:12:25 <PushFTim> just checked the date/time. It's correct on both sides
Nov 13 03:18:24 <aliasaila> kot09: yes
Nov 13 03:19:10 <kot09> aliasaila: how would you go about it? in the layout, you would have <Button android:text="@string/button_send" /> . There's not path
Nov 13 03:19:23 <kot09> at least, that's what I'm reading on the tutorial on android
Nov 13 03:21:21 <ClassyCritic> Anyone here know how to create gapps packages?
Nov 13 03:21:37 <aliasaila> the string is referenced using the value of the name attribute, in this case, button_send
Nov 13 03:22:39 <pfn> kot09, files in values/ can be named whatever you want, they all get merged together when you build your app
Nov 13 03:22:44 <aliasaila> kot09: create a new xml file in res/values
Nov 13 03:33:36 <g00s> at MS :  "many groups are using Git with TFS internally for projects"
Nov 13 03:33:49 <g00s> at least they aren't using VSS :D
Nov 13 03:40:31 <pfn> no one uses vss in a corp
Nov 13 03:40:43 <TacticalJoke> I want my app to change behaviour based on the number of runs.  For example, if the user has run the app between 1 and 5 times, X happens.  Between 6 and 10, Y happens.  Between 10 and 30, Z happens.  And so on.
Nov 13 03:40:43 <pfn> and git tfs sucks
Nov 13 03:40:49 <TacticalJoke> The only part I'm unsure about is how to define the start of an "app run".
Nov 13 03:40:57 <TacticalJoke> I could make it MainActivity.onCreate, but this wouldn't be great as screen rotation would increment runCount.
Nov 13 03:41:11 <TacticalJoke> I could use Application.onCreate, but this seems kind of arbitrary -- Android might kill the app running in the background to reclaim memory, and I don't really see that as the termination of an app run.
Nov 13 03:41:25 <TacticalJoke> Would it make sense to consider an "app run" finished in something like MainActivity.onBackPressed?
Nov 13 03:41:43 <TacticalJoke> Then again, this seems to go against the idea that the user doesn't have to worry about pressing Back or Home.
Nov 13 03:42:26 <pfn> rather, tfs sucks
Nov 13 03:42:38 <TacticalJoke> What's the most sensible way to consider the current run of an app to be finished?
Nov 13 03:42:43 <pfn> git makes it somewjobeara
Nov 13 03:42:56 <pfn> somewhat bearable
Nov 13 03:43:43 <pfn> I'd consider process killed to be considered an app run, TacticalJoke
Nov 13 03:43:45 <TacticalJoke> I know a lot of people who still used centralized revision control with TFS.  Eww.
Nov 13 03:44:29 <TacticalJoke> s/used/use/
Nov 13 03:44:43 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  I'm guessing that's the way I'm gonna have to go with this.
Nov 13 03:47:58 <pfn> but it really depends on how your app works and what it does
Nov 13 03:50:45 <TacticalJoke> The behaviour in question is the app showing something similar a "tip of the day" (but not as annoying or lame or bad as an actual TotD).  The first few runs will show basic advice; subsequent runs will evolve that advice and give advanced tips; etc.
Nov 13 03:51:23 <TacticalJoke> (This is inline in the main activity, rather than some obnoxious popup.  :D)
Nov 13 03:52:25 <Mallot1> Hello Guys
Nov 13 03:52:30 <TacticalJoke> It's actually a TextView set as a ListView's empty view.
Nov 13 03:53:38 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: so just save the number of runs at onDestroy or onStop or onPause
Nov 13 03:54:03 <shmooz> in SharedPreferences, and on Resume, load them from there
Nov 13 03:55:07 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I'm just trying to decide the best way to define an "app run".
Nov 13 03:55:29 <TacticalJoke> I think I'll try the Application-kill thing first.  Maybe just log the count and see how it feels.
Nov 13 03:55:50 <shmooz> if your last back calls finish() then use onDestroy
Nov 13 04:00:32 <etudor> the sharedpreferences of a application can be accessed by another application? i want to save a username and password and don't really know where
Nov 13 04:00:38 <Mallot1_> Hello
Nov 13 04:00:44 <etudor> Hello
Nov 13 04:00:49 <g00s> hello
Nov 13 04:02:32 <Mallot1> hi etudor and g00s , I have an error: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar'. This is the same error as earlier, I did what was said in the Android Developer docs from Google, but still nothing
Nov 13 04:03:08 <Mallot1> Do you think there's some file that's not linked correctly?
Nov 13 04:03:23 <Mallot1> I'm trying to find out where to go next to crack this error
Nov 13 04:03:27 <g00s> you have appcompat in your project ?
Nov 13 04:04:02 <Mallot1> g00s: android-support-v7-appcompact
Nov 13 04:04:17 <Mallot1> *appcompat
Nov 13 04:06:52 <g00s> wow, this file.setLastModified() is still an issue?
Nov 13 04:08:30 <Mallot1> g00s: Me?
Nov 13 04:08:49 <g00s> no, sorry. if you have appcompt in your project i don't know what the problem could be
Nov 13 04:09:37 <Mallot1> g00s: Alright, thanks anyway
Nov 13 04:09:41 <Mallot1> This is so weird
Nov 13 04:09:47 <TacticalJoke> Mallot1:  What caused the problem earlier?
Nov 13 04:10:16 <Mallot1> TacticalJoke: This is the same problem from earlier
Nov 13 04:10:41 <Mallot1> I believe it started when I changed the MainActivity.java with my own
Nov 13 04:10:55 <Mallot1> I'm using SDL2 and Android
Nov 13 04:11:06 <kot09> pfn++
Nov 13 04:11:07 <kot09> thanks
Nov 13 04:11:15 <kot09> aliasaila thanks
Nov 13 04:11:15 <Mallot1> does anyone have a fresh MainActivity,java file?
Nov 13 04:12:37 <g00s> w
Nov 13 04:13:14 <Mallot1> wow
Nov 13 04:13:21 <TacticalJoke> My phone sends like 10 log messages per second.  It's so noisy.
Nov 13 04:13:31 <TacticalJoke> That can't be good for performance.
Nov 13 04:13:43 <etudor> why not create a new project and take MainActivity content from there?
Nov 13 04:14:15 <gordon_> I want to check if user is using application for 3 minutes (all the time - without application going to background) what's the best way to do it ?
Nov 13 04:14:40 <Mallot1> etudor: Already on it
Nov 13 04:15:21 <etudor> set a time variable
Nov 13 04:15:35 <etudor> in onCreate
Nov 13 04:15:46 <etudor> and onPause reset the value
Nov 13 04:15:51 <TacticalJoke> gordon_:  I'm not sure, but how about Activity.onPause/Activity.onResume or Activity.onStop/Activity.onStart?
Nov 13 04:16:36 <TacticalJoke> Or does this have to span multiple activities?
Nov 13 04:17:23 <TacticalJoke> etudor:  I don't think onCreate will always work.  What if the user taps Home and then comes back?
Nov 13 04:18:44 <etudor> good point
Nov 13 04:18:48 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: that's why you have to call finish() at some point to know it's being destroyed
Nov 13 04:18:58 <Mallot1> etudor: The next project I made is messed up to, It's my Eclipse setup ;/
Nov 13 04:19:05 <Mallot1> Time to reinstall
Nov 13 04:19:24 <etudor> install android studio
Nov 13 04:19:25 <etudor> :))
Nov 13 04:19:49 <Mallot1> etudor: I already have it =))
Nov 13 04:19:54 <TacticalJoke> gordon_:  Sounds like an intense app, BTW.  Made me think of those movies where someone can't let go of a button or a bomb will go off.
Nov 13 04:20:09 <TacticalJoke> Or can't let their heartbeat drop below N.
Nov 13 04:20:49 <shmooz> this one probably forces them to keep tapping the ad or a bomb will go off
Nov 13 04:21:13 <TacticalJoke> I was reading about an Android app that someone opens when they feel threated.  Then they hold the screen, and if they let go of the screen then 911 is dialed.  Sounded kinda interesting.
Nov 13 04:21:28 <TacticalJoke> I guess they have to perform a gesture for 911 not to be dialed.
Nov 13 04:21:50 <TacticalJoke> threatened*
Nov 13 04:22:59 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: it's for the app
Nov 13 04:23:05 <gordon_> wait
Nov 13 04:23:07 <gordon_> for the ads
Nov 13 04:23:28 <TacticalJoke> What happens if they don't stay in your app for three minutes?
Nov 13 04:23:29 <TacticalJoke> Just curious.  lol
Nov 13 04:23:45 <gordon_> ad is not showed
Nov 13 04:24:50 <TacticalJoke> I have a cool idea for an app, but I don't think this is possible on Android: an app that enables someone to hold a button (maybe one of the volume buttons) for, say, three seconds to make the ringtone sound.  A handy way of getting out of undesirable social situations.
Nov 13 04:24:58 <etudor> TacticalJoke: in the 911 app. Funny to add full ads that will appear when users are in danger =))
Nov 13 04:24:59 <TacticalJoke> Is that doable in Android?  I'm guessing not.
Nov 13 04:25:15 <TacticalJoke> etudor:  It'd be ironic if the ad were about crime prevention.
Nov 13 04:27:55 <etudor> good idea of an app
Nov 13 04:28:40 <etudor> and a random voice to start hearing from speakers
Nov 13 04:29:05 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: anyway, onStop, start is out of question
Nov 13 04:29:06 <TacticalJoke> The key part is that it works when the screen is off.  Just a volume-down press, or something.
Nov 13 04:29:07 <gordon_> any other idea ?
Nov 13 04:29:15 <gordon_> (I'm opening many activities)
Nov 13 04:29:57 <etudor> creating a new thread gordon?
Nov 13 04:31:09 <etudor> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15874117/how-to-set-delay-in-android
Nov 13 04:31:28 <etudor> something like a delay, you can check in the above link, first answer
Nov 13 04:32:22 <JacobTab_> multiple users on a device: do they have separate shared prefs?
Nov 13 04:32:37 <gordon_> I was thinking about thread... but where ? In Application class ?
Nov 13 04:32:58 <StingRay_> JacobTab_ seperate app spaces I think
Nov 13 04:33:04 <StingRay_> so .... hell yes :)
Nov 13 04:33:06 <JacobTab_> thought so
Nov 13 04:33:49 <JacobTab_> what about getFilesDir() etc
Nov 13 04:34:07 <JacobTab_> same?
Nov 13 04:34:14 <StingRay_>  /data/data <--- I think
Nov 13 04:34:24 <StingRay_> that mount is private to user account
Nov 13 04:34:28 <etudor> my phone is installing new system update :>
Nov 13 04:34:33 <JacobTab_> you're resourceful today StingRay_
Nov 13 04:34:34 <JacobTab_> :D
Nov 13 04:34:56 <StingRay_> well I'm guessing, just I also think my guesses are 99% accurate
Nov 13 04:35:01 <JacobTab_> they sound correct
Nov 13 04:35:03 <StingRay_> and willing to stand by them :)
Nov 13 04:35:14 <JacobTab_> i do remember seeing some weird directory mappings in the fs
Nov 13 04:35:17 <JacobTab_> and wondering why
Nov 13 04:35:20 <JacobTab_> makes sense now
Nov 13 04:35:22 <gordon_> and question is, when is that thread destroyed ?
Nov 13 04:35:36 <JacobTab_> depends how you create it
Nov 13 04:36:08 <JacobTab_> gordon_ best way to do what you want is to set a timestamp in onStart()
Nov 13 04:36:10 <gordon_> well, with that info I provide, yes :)
Nov 13 04:36:17 <gordon_> currently I'm doing that
Nov 13 04:36:39 <gordon_> it works like a charm but...
Nov 13 04:37:25 <gordon_> when I press home button app goes to background and after i.e. 2 minutes I go to my app again and ad will be shown
Nov 13 04:37:51 <gordon_> maybe I got an idea
Nov 13 04:38:11 <StingRay_> gordon_ then measure on screen time
Nov 13 04:38:11 <JacobTab_> its simple g-money
Nov 13 04:38:21 <JacobTab_> just do stuff in onStart and onStop
Nov 13 04:38:26 <etudor> Is SharedPreferences a good place to store a username and password?
Nov 13 04:38:31 <JacobTab_> nope!
Nov 13 04:38:48 <etudor> where then?
Nov 13 04:39:51 <JacobTab_> why do you need to store it on the device?
Nov 13 04:40:03 <JacobTab_> you should trade credentials for a token
Nov 13 04:40:18 <gordon_> StingRay_: how ?
Nov 13 04:40:40 <etudor> i create a chat app with xmpp login. And a user should not login in every time it opens the app
Nov 13 04:40:41 <StingRay_> onResume onPause
Nov 13 04:41:00 <JacobTab_> etudor the correct way to do this is to create a server side component
Nov 13 04:41:01 <etudor> don't know how to do that > trade credentials for a token
Nov 13 04:41:18 <JacobTab_> but that's probably way too involved for you
Nov 13 04:41:24 <JacobTab_> nothing you store on the device is safe
Nov 13 04:41:28 <gordon_> etudor: you register user on server with https
Nov 13 04:41:36 <gordon_> and return token from server
Nov 13 04:41:51 <gordon_> and in every request to pass that token in request header
Nov 13 04:41:59 <etudor> i use a openfire server
Nov 13 04:42:11 <gordon_> xmpp ?
Nov 13 04:42:14 <etudor> yes
Nov 13 04:42:27 <etudor> it can be done?
Nov 13 04:43:03 <gordon_> I dont think you can use token like auth with openfire
Nov 13 04:43:05 <JacobTab_> etudor in reality, only root users can access private files from your application
Nov 13 04:43:21 <gordon_> need to read docs
Nov 13 04:43:23 <JacobTab_> so for stuff thats not so secret
Nov 13 04:43:33 <JacobTab_> like irc username/password, you can store it wherever
Nov 13 04:43:44 <gordon_> what library are you using ? smack ?
Nov 13 04:43:47 <etudor> yes
Nov 13 04:43:53 <JacobTab_> you might want to use obfuscation and encrypt it though
Nov 13 04:44:22 <gordon_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14320222/connect-to-gtalk-server-xmpp-smack-using-an-authtoken
Nov 13 04:44:58 <etudor> to gtalk server, but to my server how can i connect?
Nov 13 04:45:17 <gordon_> gtalk is xmpp...
Nov 13 04:46:12 <etudor> wouldn't i need to create a new SASLMechanism?
Nov 13 04:46:21 <etudor> a custom mechanism for my app?
Nov 13 04:48:46 <gordon_> doesnt openfire support that ?
Nov 13 04:48:52 <gordon_> openfire and smack is from the same company
Nov 13 04:49:21 <etudor> yes
Nov 13 04:50:20 <etudor> i will try to authenticate like in your link
Nov 13 04:51:07 <etudor> and i should replace this: http://www.google.com/talk/protocol/auth with my server ip?
Nov 13 04:51:31 <gordon_> you need to try
Nov 13 04:51:37 <gordon_> havent done that myself
Nov 13 04:51:38 <etudor> ok
Nov 13 04:52:46 <gordon_> JacobTab_: about onPause and onResume
Nov 13 04:53:19 <gordon_> it wont work because I wont be able to say if it's app going from background or I'm simply closing my activity
Nov 13 04:53:37 <gordon_> I want to show big ad after closing an activity
Nov 13 04:55:16 <JacobTab_> i'm sorry i don't see how this is a hard problem
Nov 13 05:00:45 <Darklust> gordon_: You are the worst kind of person
Nov 13 05:01:03 <gordon_> haha
Nov 13 05:01:05 <gordon_> thanks :)
Nov 13 05:01:48 <etudor> what kind of application are you creating gordon?
Nov 13 05:01:56 <gordon_> but when I think about it, it might be true...
Nov 13 05:02:02 <gordon_> Darklust: you made me sad :(
Nov 13 05:02:09 <gordon_> etudor: cannot tell
Nov 13 05:02:31 <etudor> ok\
Nov 13 05:03:38 <TacticalJoke> Whoa.  There are 4K videos on YouTube now.
Nov 13 05:03:43 <TacticalJoke> e.g., this: http://youtu.be/17GLE-16_3g
Nov 13 05:04:29 <gordon_> for some time
Nov 13 05:04:39 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, didn't know.
Nov 13 05:04:56 <gordon_> Darklust: it's not like I want to show add
Nov 13 05:05:01 <gordon_> they make me do that ! :D
Nov 13 05:05:10 <etudor> why?
Nov 13 05:05:53 <gordon_> because that's their requirement
Nov 13 05:06:17 <gordon_> I'm kind person
Nov 13 05:06:22 <gordon_> I dont show ads to people
Nov 13 05:06:35 <etudor> oh, you are doing the app for your job
Nov 13 05:06:59 <etudor> i have around 0.5 euros per day revenue
Nov 13 05:07:13 <etudor> from admob, with a app in google play
Nov 13 05:07:57 <gordon_> for myself...
Nov 13 05:08:02 <gordon_> I would like to make a game !
Nov 13 05:08:28 <gordon_> just because it's different from what I'm doing daily ;)
Nov 13 05:17:08 <gordon_> http://www.mjbshaw.com/2012/12/determining-if-your-android-application.html
Nov 13 05:17:13 <gordon_> that might work
Nov 13 05:17:23 <gordon_> if we wouldnt support android 2.x :D
Nov 13 05:19:12 <mkozjak> is anyone having problems with nexus 5 upgrading to the stable lollipop? i just get bootloops.
Nov 13 05:19:38 <mkozjak> first i waited for 5hrs for it to boot and now i did freset and wipe again and it already boots 15mins
Nov 13 05:19:51 <mkozjak> adb (flash all script) - latest factory image
Nov 13 05:20:24 <kanupatar> hi guys, I am trying to build android 4.4.2 for imx sabre sd board. Here I am getting the following error, see the build log. http://pastebin.com/xXLTvUPM please help me
Nov 13 05:22:05 <g00s> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/android-5-0-lollipop-thoroughly-reviewed/?
Nov 13 05:27:05 <g00s> "Still no privacy controls. Let's give apps access to all your private data. I guess will have to wait for Cyanogenmod 12. Shouldn't lack of privacy controls be in the Bad or Ugly part of summary?"
Nov 13 05:27:06 <g00s> +1
Nov 13 05:32:17 <kanupatar> hi guys
Nov 13 05:32:19 <kanupatar> any clues?
Nov 13 05:34:31 <pfn> wow, weird, custom attributes in menu.xml don't get processed unless I have android:id first?
Nov 13 05:34:43 <pfn> wtf
Nov 13 05:35:14 <pfn> oh, red herring, I uncommented my MenuItemCompat lines
Nov 13 05:35:23 * pfn headscratches
Nov 13 05:35:55 * pfn takes out super.onCreateOptionsMenu
Nov 13 05:36:09 * pfn headscratches some more
Nov 13 05:45:18 <pfn> oh, I'm supposed to use getMenuInflater... that's nice
Nov 13 05:48:48 <pfn> and neat, I found a bug in aapt's proguard.txt generation
Nov 13 05:49:26 <pfn> hmm, although, I don't know how much of a bug it can possibly be... app:actionViewClass isn't properly kept
Nov 13 05:49:53 <g00s> i use app:actionViewClass
Nov 13 05:50:11 <JacobTab_> bye, out of battery :O
Nov 13 05:50:34 <pfn> g00s, but not proguard
Nov 13 05:50:39 <pfn> or you have a rule to keep it manually
Nov 13 05:50:50 <g00s> JacobTab_ you need one of these http://www.gizmag.com/limefuel-lp200x-the-20000mah-dual-usb-battery-pack/34703/
Nov 13 05:51:08 <pfn> I picked up a patriot fuel+ 7800mah for $30 today
Nov 13 05:51:18 <JacobTab_> or i could literally move over to the other side of the couch
Nov 13 05:51:27 <JacobTab_> but i need an excuse to go to sleep early :)
Nov 13 05:51:49 <JacobTab_> ive really never run out of battery on my laptop
Nov 13 05:51:57 <g00s> this thing is 20,000 mah
Nov 13 05:52:00 <JacobTab_> when i needed it
Nov 13 05:52:30 <JacobTab_> MikeWallaceDev did you see the new pinning feature in lollipop? reminds me of your app
Nov 13 05:53:10 <pfn> 20kmah is pretty overkill
Nov 13 05:53:34 <pfn> $35 though, so cheap
Nov 13 05:54:25 <pfn> meh, new android builder 0.14.2 generates so many warnings...
Nov 13 06:17:41 <PushFTim> quick question. How do I get the current time in android as a long? To be used in the NotificationBuilder.setWhen() function
Nov 13 06:19:19 <pfn> same as in java
Nov 13 06:19:54 <whatitis> time as in ms from epoch? System.currentTimeMillis
Nov 13 06:21:32 <PushFTim> trying that ty
Nov 13 06:22:31 <whatitis> not 100% but if you dont set a time doesnt it use the current?
Nov 13 06:22:48 <PushFTim> damn you're right
Nov 13 06:22:52 <gordon_> lol
Nov 13 06:22:56 <niru> can some one help me solve this trival problem.http://pastebin.com/xU6Sjmgi   my question is in the comments line
Nov 13 06:22:59 <gordon_> that was easy one
Nov 13 06:23:11 <tricknology> hello
Nov 13 06:26:11 <Ashiren> ohayo
Nov 13 06:27:09 <whatitis> ohio?
Nov 13 06:28:23 <lnoskhen> Hello. I'm using Retrofit. I'm having problem with uploading of files in one multipart request. I already tried `MultipartTypedOut` (based from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25249042/retrofit-multiple-images-attached-in-one-multipart-request) but the first file was only uploaded (1 out of 5 files).
Nov 13 06:29:18 <lnoskhen> *MultipartTypedOutput
Nov 13 06:30:05 <tricknology> What counts as a hit toward the Google Play API?
Nov 13 06:30:10 <lnoskhen> mto.addPart("f[]", new TypedFile(mimeType, file));
Nov 13 06:30:28 <tricknology> or Google Maps API
Nov 13 06:33:29 <whatitis> is multipart for a single large file, or multiple files? if retrofit is square, JakeWharton maybe of use
Nov 13 06:33:50 <bankai_au> say his name three times in front of a mirror
Nov 13 06:33:50 <gordon_> do you guys have problem with admob now ?
Nov 13 06:33:56 <gordon_>  W/Ads﹕ There was a problem getting an ad response. ErrorCode: 0
Nov 13 06:34:03 <tricknology>  MultipartEntity multipartEntity = new MultipartEntity(HttpMultipartMode.BROWSER_COMPATIBLE);
Nov 13 06:34:11 <tricknology> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2017414/post-multipart-request-with-android-sdk
Nov 13 06:35:13 <whatitis> gordon, just an error with an error code, does your ad supplier have a faq?
Nov 13 06:35:34 <whatitis> warning w error code*
Nov 13 06:35:49 <tricknology> lnoskhen^ see up there.  and did you not try the last implemntation from Firas Al Mannaa?
Nov 13 06:38:46 <whatitis> tricknology, hit as in what?
Nov 13 06:41:13 <gordon_> whatitis: well it was working like 4 minutes ago
Nov 13 06:41:38 <TacticalJoke> http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-community-vs
Nov 13 06:41:45 <TacticalJoke> Oh, god, if we could use Visual Studio for Android development.
Nov 13 06:42:00 <gordon_> I'm not interested in VS ;)
Nov 13 06:42:07 <TacticalJoke> It's free now, complete with plugin ability, etc.
Nov 13 06:42:13 <TacticalJoke> Resharper, for example.
Nov 13 06:42:17 <whatitis> gordon but what does the ad supplier tell you bout error code 0, maybe its a network error
Nov 13 06:43:05 <TacticalJoke> Also, .NET is being open-sourced.  I wonder whether this entails anything interesting for Android development.
Nov 13 06:43:15 <Dr_Coke> really
Nov 13 06:43:23 <Dr_Coke> .net is being open sourced?
Nov 13 06:43:35 <Dr_Coke> do you like c# ?
Nov 13 06:43:43 <whatitis> yes he does
Nov 13 06:43:45 <gordon_> whatitis: how can I check it ?
Nov 13 06:43:47 <Dr_Coke> i mean hows it compare to c or c++ ?
Nov 13 06:43:58 <Dr_Coke> in speed terms
Nov 13 06:44:05 <gordon_> more like java and c#
Nov 13 06:44:15 <whatitis> gordon, there should be a faq for the ad supplier api
Nov 13 06:44:23 <Dr_Coke> can you compile c# into machine language like java?
Nov 13 06:44:48 <whatitis> java isnt compiled to machine code
Nov 13 06:44:49 <TacticalJoke> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/11/12/net-core-is-open-source.aspx
Nov 13 06:44:50 <gordon_> i think so, xamarin is doing it somehow
Nov 13 06:44:58 <TacticalJoke> C# is great.
Nov 13 06:45:05 <gordon_> it's ok
Nov 13 06:45:26 <lnoskhen> tricknology: I tried Firas Al Mannaa solution but it only uploaded the last file in the list :(
Nov 13 06:45:34 <TacticalJoke> You can easily compile C# to machine code, yeah.  Microsoft provides NGen.exe for this purpose.
Nov 13 06:45:42 <gordon_> whatitis: I will just check setTest(true) maybe
Nov 13 06:46:26 <whatitis> easily compile to machine code? doesnt sound very cli
Nov 13 06:46:40 <TacticalJoke> Sure, but the option is there.
Nov 13 06:46:55 <gordon_> same as robovm probably
Nov 13 06:47:12 <TacticalJoke> See http://programming.reddit.com/ for discussion about these topics.
Nov 13 06:48:24 <whatitis> c# or java who likes what is based on preference of keeping things abstracted, meaning compiling to machine isnt needed. if is needed use a less abstracted language
Nov 13 06:48:55 <TacticalJoke> whatitis:  All of that code is compiled to machine code ultimately.  It's just a question of when.
Nov 13 06:49:16 <Darklust> All these android-dev specific topics :]
Nov 13 06:49:29 <whatitis> no it is compiled to bytecode, then translated to machine
Nov 13 06:49:56 <TacticalJoke> Bytecode is compiled to machine code, not translated.
Nov 13 06:50:20 <whatitis> its compiled to code that another layer makes machine
Nov 13 06:50:34 <TacticalJoke> It makes no difference; it's still compiled to machine code.
Nov 13 06:50:57 <whatitis> from a 3rd party
Nov 13 06:51:23 <Dr_Coke> actually you can compile java into machine code
Nov 13 06:51:31 <Dr_Coke> and google is doing it with android 5
Nov 13 06:51:36 <Dr_Coke> with the art run time
Nov 13 06:51:51 <TacticalJoke> Same with Dalvik.
Nov 13 06:51:54 <TacticalJoke> Just at a different moment.
Nov 13 06:52:18 <Dr_Coke> dalvik goes through a virtual machine and is translated
Nov 13 06:52:23 <Dr_Coke> into machine code
Nov 13 06:52:26 <TacticalJoke> No, it's compiled to machine code.
Nov 13 06:52:28 <Dr_Coke> it's much slower
Nov 13 06:52:30 <TacticalJoke> Right
Nov 13 06:52:31 <TacticalJoke> Oops.
Nov 13 06:52:52 <whatitis> the java isnt turned into machine, if you find a way todo it, why use java instead of a language that skips the middleman
Nov 13 06:52:58 <Dr_Coke> yer dalvik is a piece of sh!t
Nov 13 06:53:04 <TacticalJoke> whatitis:  What are you talking about.
Nov 13 06:53:46 <TacticalJoke> whatitis:  Every statement of your code is compiled to machine code before it runs.  Surely you know this.
Nov 13 06:54:37 <whatitis> im saying that the abstraction level you wanna use isnt ever compiled to machine. there is a middle man, otherwise using those abstractions are moot compared to using a language and compiler set for a specific case
Nov 13 06:55:45 <whatitis> before it runs? that is exactly what im talking about. there is a middleman converting your "compiled" code to machine via vm
Nov 13 06:58:32 <whatitis> its about abstraction, which makes java and c# awesome, but to discuss which is better adds the question of removing the abstraction and defining your code soley on building towards one specific hardware
Nov 13 07:01:02 <whatitis> and to say that is only based on constant updates of both runtimes, so one maybe better than the other, but with each update each add their own awesomeness
Nov 13 07:01:36 <TacticalJoke> C# is basically Java done right.
Nov 13 07:01:47 <TacticalJoke> Though C# has weird new features that I'm not hugely keen on.
Nov 13 07:02:10 <whatitis> :) what about java 9? :p each update can fix pitfalls
Nov 13 07:02:41 <TacticalJoke> Java 9 will still have type erasure.
Nov 13 07:03:29 <jareddlc> sup guys, anyone here with BLE experience? need to ask a question about characteristic
Nov 13 07:04:02 <gordon_> whatitis: we not using suppliers yet
Nov 13 07:04:27 <gordon_> c# done right ?
Nov 13 07:04:38 <gordon_> notice that c# isnt compatible
Nov 13 07:04:46 <gordon_> like 2.0 and 3.0
Nov 13 07:05:14 <whatitis> im just saying both are vigourously being reconfigured, but it all depends on the devs idea of eithers ideals. syntax for both are different, users of them like dislike and use what they want mainly on style, really less on how efficent
Nov 13 07:05:59 <jareddlc> g00s: are you available? xD
Nov 13 07:08:00 <TacticalJoke> whatitis:  C# has the enormous advantage of being created long after Java.  It learned from Java's mistakes.
Nov 13 07:08:10 <TacticalJoke> Java has the enormous disadvantage of having way more baggage (e.g., type erasure).
Nov 13 07:10:49 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, this is interesting: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-releases-visual-studio-preview-with-android-support-includes-a-lighting-fast-emulator-with-some-super-cool-features/
Nov 13 07:10:55 <TacticalJoke> A Visual Studio preview with "Android support".
Nov 13 07:11:24 <TacticalJoke> Lol.  If we could use VS for Android dev, *nobody* would use Android Studio.
Nov 13 07:11:28 <TacticalJoke> I can 100% guarantee that.
Nov 13 07:11:43 <TacticalJoke> As long as that version of VS had ReSharper or similar refactoring support.
Nov 13 07:13:17 <TacticalJoke> Wow, Microsoft is owning the front page of http://programming.reddit.com/ today.
Nov 13 07:16:58 <whatitis> saying you guarantee it is just your bias opinion, AS does what I need without having to register and update/confirm that every X days. cant imagine VS is to the level needed for android dev for awhile
Nov 13 07:18:45 <TacticalJoke> Right, but if Microsoft really went for it (creating Android-development tools), they would essentially *rescue* us all.  As bad as some Microsoft software is (Internet Explorer, earlier Windows versions, Outlook Express), they are top notch when it comes to developer tools (especially Visual Studio).
Nov 13 07:19:10 <ktwo> well its still a preview- but if ms is clever and do it propery it would certainly be one of the top choices
Nov 13 07:19:12 <TacticalJoke> But I dunno whether they'll really do much for Android.  Seems counterproductive for them.
Nov 13 07:19:42 <ktwo> imho eclipse is a chore and the emulator is slow and crashes (even with haxm)
Nov 13 07:19:59 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that Android emulator running from Eclipse looks very fast (in the video).
Nov 13 07:20:08 <TacticalJoke> s/Eclipse/Visual Studio/
Nov 13 07:20:16 <whatitis> I can adhire to sticking MS, but the work itd take to get something similiar to whats out&them keeping it c# would be a pitfall
Nov 13 07:20:49 <whatitis> adhere*
Nov 13 07:22:25 <g00s> MS has been producing exceptional build tools for many years. can you imagine if Google have to write a java compiler and ide from scratch? holy shit
Nov 13 07:22:35 <whatitis> I like MS products, but only for MS, not android
Nov 13 07:23:01 <gordon_> I'm waiting for Linux distro called windows ;)
Nov 13 07:23:02 <g00s> s/build/dev tools
Nov 13 07:23:19 <whatitis> gordon its been done
Nov 13 07:23:24 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Ya.
Nov 13 07:23:26 <gordon_> where
Nov 13 07:25:12 <TacticalJoke> So it seems that they're planning to make Android and iOS development possible in Visual Studio.  Surprising.
Nov 13 07:25:36 <whatitis> it was a windows xp replacement.  cant remember name
Nov 13 07:25:58 <TacticalJoke> This sounds good: "The emulator should (eventually) work standalone, too, so developers using Eclipse (the default Android development environment) will also be able to use the Microsoft Android emulator."
Nov 13 07:26:14 <TacticalJoke> whatitis:  Lindows?
Nov 13 07:26:45 <whatitis> no, it had same ui, but linux based
Nov 13 07:27:34 <whatitis> is eclipse sti
Nov 13 07:27:42 <whatitis> ll standard?
Nov 13 07:28:11 <TacticalJoke> What I don't get:  What benefit does Microsoft get from releasing a free IDE for Android development?
Nov 13 07:28:20 <TacticalJoke> Are they hoping that people upgrade to Pro versions or something?
Nov 13 07:28:26 <TacticalJoke> Or just wanting their hands in multiple pies.
Nov 13 07:28:44 <shmooz> first they want developers using their tools, they would even pay for it
Nov 13 07:28:51 <TacticalJoke> True.
Nov 13 07:28:56 <shmooz> once you have developers using your tools, you take over the worls
Nov 13 07:28:58 <shmooz> world
Nov 13 07:28:59 <whatitis> sorry if you already have, but can you post link?
Nov 13 07:29:22 <TacticalJoke> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/visual-studio-2015-goes-even-more-cross-platform-with-clang-android-emulator/
Nov 13 07:29:35 <TacticalJoke> This has a video: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-releases-visual-studio-preview-with-android-support-includes-a-lighting-fast-emulator-with-some-super-cool-features/
Nov 13 07:29:41 <whatitis> and does the MS for android include UI
Nov 13 07:29:57 <TacticalJoke> I guess so.  They already have their own functional emulator.
Nov 13 07:30:15 <shmooz> yeah they said their emulator is much faster than the google one
Nov 13 07:30:43 <shmooz> they probably stole GenyMotion and repackaged it ;)
Nov 13 07:30:44 <TacticalJoke> And it's usable from other IDEs because they go over adb.
Nov 13 07:31:28 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, it has an accelerometer thing.
Nov 13 07:32:06 <gordon_> emulator OR simulator ?
Nov 13 07:32:23 <shmooz> emulator
Nov 13 07:32:29 <gordon_> not interested
Nov 13 07:33:01 <shmooz> what would be an android simulator ?
Nov 13 07:33:05 <TacticalJoke> It'd be so cool if Microsoft made an IDE for Android development that just blows everything out of the water.
Nov 13 07:33:23 <PushFTim> visual studio ultimate android edition please
Nov 13 07:33:40 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: they are , they are teaming up with Xamarin, not sure if it will blow anything
Nov 13 07:34:05 <TacticalJoke> C#/.NET/VS for Android development would be amazing.
Nov 13 07:34:17 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: it already exists, check out Xamarin
Nov 13 07:34:26 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, but it's buggy (I've heard) and costly.
Nov 13 07:36:24 <TacticalJoke> Microsoft is doing all the right things: Windows 10, open-sourcing .NET, making VS free, making VS workable for other-platform dev.
Nov 13 07:36:43 <TacticalJoke> I guess it's one of those "try not to die" things.
Nov 13 07:38:14 <capella> heh
Nov 13 07:38:27 <g00s> gordon_ no, the MS emul is pretty good
Nov 13 07:38:30 <capella> "try to stay relevent"
Nov 13 07:38:43 <g00s> has nothing to do with genymotion at all
Nov 13 07:39:04 <g00s> in fact, its an x86 image running in the framework from  Windows Phone Emulator
Nov 13 07:39:22 <g00s> with XDE + RDP
Nov 13 07:39:39 <g00s> if you read about what it can do http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudioalm/archive/2014/11/12/introducing-visual-studio-s-emulator-for-android.aspx
Nov 13 07:39:52 <g00s> its pretty snazzy. they definitely made google look like idiots
Nov 13 07:41:22 <g00s> in order to use this of course, you need Hyper-V
Nov 13 07:42:03 <TacticalJoke> The thing is, if Microsoft put any real effort into this, they could make Google look like complete fools in the course of about six months.
Nov 13 07:42:13 <TacticalJoke> It's just a question of how much motivation they have.
Nov 13 07:44:08 <Darklust> Who was the guy working on the penis measuring app in here
Nov 13 07:44:16 <Darklust> I wonder if it's still in the works
Nov 13 07:44:43 <TacticalJoke> lol
Nov 13 07:45:04 <g00s> heh i remember that
Nov 13 07:45:44 <g00s> it was silly and crazy at the same time, i didn't think the dev knew anything about CV
Nov 13 07:46:07 <aaearon> ive modified this view https://github.com/tomurka/ExampleMediaController/blob/master/src/uk/co/brightec/example/mediacontroller/VideoControllerView.java to include a mediaroutebutton (for chromecast.) in my activity that implements, im not sure how i reference the mediaroutebutton. any clues?
Nov 13 07:46:54 <TacticalJoke> A real first-world problem: "Sigh, my penis-measuring app has a bug."
Nov 13 07:47:43 <Darklust> "6cm erect? no that can't be... must be a bug... yeah..."
Nov 13 07:54:19 <TacticalJoke> short actualLength = (short) getLength();
Nov 13 07:56:03 <farhad2161> what should i use instead of setSupportProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility in appcompat v7:21
Nov 13 07:58:54 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, I guess that, if MS gets devs writing Android apps in C#/.NET then it's little hassle to get them compiling on Windows 10 (or whatever).
Nov 13 07:59:01 <farhad2161> what should i use instead of setSupportProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility in appcompat7:21
Nov 13 07:59:03 <TacticalJoke> s/that,/that/
Nov 13 07:59:16 <TacticalJoke> So MS might have very high motivation to produce awesome Android-dev tools.
Nov 13 08:00:11 <TacticalJoke> That'd be awesome.  Practially everyone would win.
Nov 13 08:00:41 <TacticalJoke> I bet this news is demotivating to the Android Studio devs.
Nov 13 08:05:35 <pfn> not really
Nov 13 08:12:11 <TacticalJoke> This might be a dumb question, but if I wanted to move to Android Studio and, to get around the JVM-unit-test problem, run unit tests from the command line, would that just work?  (I'm talking about JUnit 4 JVM unit tests that test parts of my Android code, not necessarily using Robolectric.)
Nov 13 08:12:32 <farhad2161> what should i use instead of setSupportProgressBarIndeterminateVisibility in appcompat7:21
Nov 13 08:13:39 <TacticalJoke> farhad2161:  Did you see this?  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26454143/setsupportprogressbarindeterminatevisibility-raising-java-lang-nullpointerexcept
Nov 13 08:14:12 <PushFTim> is it possible to manage openfire plugin settings from an external component or client connection to the openfire server?
Nov 13 08:15:21 <farhad2161> TacticalJoke, yes but i need some sample code
Nov 13 08:19:08 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: robolectric
Nov 13 08:19:14 <TacticalJoke> From Chris Banes: "If you want a ProgressBar, add it to the Toolbar yourself (it's just a ViewGroup)."
Nov 13 08:19:18 <TacticalJoke> I haven't tried this, though.
Nov 13 08:19:36 <TacticalJoke> gordon_:  I don't see how that answers my question.  :)
Nov 13 08:21:57 <gordon_> if you make separate java gradle module - yes it will work
Nov 13 08:22:12 <gordon_> if you dont touch android parts you dont even need robolectric
Nov 13 08:22:54 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I just dislike the idea of making part of my app's code a separate Java module.  ;|
Nov 13 08:23:19 <TacticalJoke> For example, one of my classes might not touch the Android API -- and then one die it might have to support Parcelable.
Nov 13 08:23:27 <TacticalJoke> Then I'd no longer be able to unit-test it?
Nov 13 08:24:18 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: doesn't using globals get in the way of unit testing ?
Nov 13 08:27:17 <TacticalJoke> It can do, but globals are unfortunately a necessary evil on Android in some cases.
Nov 13 08:27:55 <shmooz> I see you've changed your point of view slightly
Nov 13 08:28:12 <shmooz> wasn't it you yesterday saying it's like god's gift ?
Nov 13 08:29:29 <TacticalJoke> No.  Just that they're a necessary evil at times.
Nov 13 08:29:35 <jareddlc> g00s: i've sent data!!! ble
Nov 13 08:29:50 <g00s> congrats jareddlc
Nov 13 08:29:57 * Darklust begins the slow clap for jareddlc
Nov 13 08:30:11 <jareddlc> more tutorials teaches using activity, had to mess around but got it working
Nov 13 08:30:27 <jareddlc> had to set my characteristic on the onServicesDiscovered callback
Nov 13 08:31:07 <g00s> yeah i think you have to wait until service discovery completes
Nov 13 08:32:06 <jareddlc> yeah, most tutorials said once service discovery completes, then they set on UI activity, however, i set it on the BLEService
Nov 13 08:32:12 <jareddlc> anyways just pushed, time for sleep
Nov 13 08:32:32 <g00s> radio off :D
Nov 13 08:32:33 <Darklust> Ever open a can of what you believed to be sweet tea in the dark, only to realize with horror it's dr pepper and proceed to bleed profusely?
Nov 13 08:35:00 <shmooz> Darklust: it's time to turn on the lights
Nov 13 08:41:17 <Darklust> shmooz: Right, I'm doing a photography project, it's a time-lapse of a taco supreme rotting on a utility shelf across the room, and it turns out it popped and whatever the hell came out of it is now all  over my arms
Nov 13 08:41:22 <TacticalJoke> You know, I was thinking: wouldn't going from Android Studio to Visual Studio feel like going from GIMP to Photoshop?  :D
Nov 13 08:46:30 <lemonxah> :/
Nov 13 08:46:31 <lemonxah> LinearAlloc exceeded capacity (5242880)
Nov 13 08:46:35 <lemonxah> WHY!?!?!
Nov 13 08:46:50 <lemonxah> so has anyone run into this issue yet?
Nov 13 08:47:08 <shmooz> google it
Nov 13 08:47:41 <lemonxah> oh believe me .. 2 weeks worth of googling
Nov 13 08:48:09 <lemonxah> complex interface hierachy is causing this
Nov 13 08:48:20 <lemonxah> and its only an issue on android 2.3
Nov 13 08:48:39 <shmooz> make it simpler
Nov 13 08:49:02 <lemonxah> omg why didn't i think of that you are so insightful
Nov 13 08:49:12 <shmooz> thanks
Nov 13 08:49:20 <lemonxah> just quickly .. how do i change google libraries?
Nov 13 08:49:21 <Darklust> lemonxah: Try less code and more whitespace
Nov 13 08:49:23 <lemonxah> cause that is all i ahve
Nov 13 08:49:42 <lemonxah> appcompat, support lib, play services
Nov 13 08:51:30 <g00s> and scala
Nov 13 08:51:33 <g00s> lol
Nov 13 08:51:49 <lemonxah> no i found the error on scala but then reproduced it with only google libs
Nov 13 08:52:10 <lemonxah> its very easy to reproduce without making too complex interface hierachy
Nov 13 08:52:12 <g00s> lemonxah did you see http://developer.android.com/tools/building/multidex.html
Nov 13 08:52:19 <g00s> but there is still some linearalloc bug
Nov 13 08:52:21 <lemonxah> i am looking into that now
Nov 13 08:53:02 <g00s> "Applications that use multidex may not start on devices that run versions of the platform earlier than Android 4.0 (API level 14) due to a Dalvik linearAlloc bug (Issue 22586)."
Nov 13 08:53:20 <lemonxah> yes
Nov 13 08:53:39 <lemonxah> hence my problem of this running on api 11
Nov 13 08:53:46 <g00s> minsdk = 16
Nov 13 08:53:49 <g00s> \o/
Nov 13 08:53:59 <spots> hmm, can i do simple key value pairs with xml without writing a parser on my own?
Nov 13 08:54:21 <g00s> pretty easy to do with xmlpull
Nov 13 08:55:33 <lemonxah> i would LOVE to make the min sdk 16
Nov 13 08:55:39 <lemonxah> or even 14
Nov 13 08:55:56 <lemonxah> but we are not allowed to cause 20% of the userbase is still on 11
Nov 13 09:00:05 <appel1> honeycomb? wat?
Nov 13 09:00:38 <lemonxah> 10
Nov 13 09:00:42 <lemonxah> 2.3 sorry
Nov 13 09:00:48 <lemonxah> well
Nov 13 09:00:50 <OverCoder> honycomb is api 11
Nov 13 09:00:51 <appel1> that makes more sense =)
Nov 13 09:00:54 <lemonxah> i meant to say still on < 11
Nov 13 09:01:03 <lemonxah> cause not just 10 but 9 and 8 too
Nov 13 09:01:25 <OverCoder> differences between api 8 and 9 and 10 are tiny
Nov 13 09:01:39 <OverCoder> the big differences are between api 8 and api 11 and api 14
Nov 13 09:02:07 * OverCoder has escaped from school
Nov 13 09:05:08 <lemonxah> we all know this yes
Nov 13 09:08:08 <gordon_> lemonxah: I would like to make min sdk 21 ;)
Nov 13 09:08:16 <lemonxah> yes ofc
Nov 13 09:08:33 <lemonxah> lucky thing is in ab out 3 weeks we get to do that
Nov 13 09:08:40 <lemonxah> we are splitting codebase
Nov 13 09:08:48 <lemonxah> 2.3 and 4.0+ branches
Nov 13 09:08:57 <gordon_> so min sdk 14
Nov 13 09:09:01 <gordon_> not 16
Nov 13 09:09:23 <lemonxah> yeah
Nov 13 09:09:27 <lemonxah> its still better an 10
Nov 13 09:09:30 <lemonxah> than**
Nov 13 09:09:32 <gordon_> know that pain
Nov 13 09:11:28 <g00s> lemonxah are you one of the lucky lads working on the 2.3 branch :D
Nov 13 09:11:48 <lemonxah> no :) i am the team lead so its going to be not as bad for me
Nov 13 09:15:15 <gordon_> I am everything
Nov 13 09:15:29 <gordon_> so it's gonna be bad for me ;(
Nov 13 09:29:55 <pfn> 20% of userbase still on 2.3? charts show much less, no
Nov 13 09:31:16 <g00s> probably depends on region
Nov 13 09:39:34 <kosc> Hello, guys! I've got a trouble with LocationManager. It's asks for permission after each reboot.
Nov 13 09:44:02 <kosc> Is there any way to save permission even after reboot.
Nov 13 09:44:02 <kosc> ?
Nov 13 09:44:05 <samB__> If I dont provide a  xxx-high-density launcher icon will my current one simply be scaled up?
Nov 13 09:45:45 <danijoo> samB__: Yep. It will search for an icon that is close to the given configuration and use that instead
Nov 13 09:46:59 <samB__> danijoo: Thanks thats good news! I was worried I would have to re-submit which would have been difficult given my current deadlines :)
Nov 13 09:50:39 <danijoo> kosc: what do you mean with 'asks for permission' ?
Nov 13 09:52:49 * capella-s32 wasn't sure he wanted to ask :)
Nov 13 10:06:32 <kevel> JakeWharton, can you please change the colors in Picasso which display whether its on disk, memory, etc?
Nov 13 10:06:58 <kevel> Disk and Memory look too alike (im colorblind)
Nov 13 10:07:25 <JakeWharton> File a bug please
Nov 13 10:07:37 <kevel> will do
Nov 13 10:11:23 <kevel> JakeWharton, done
Nov 13 10:12:47 <JakeWharton> thanks. we'll fix
Nov 13 10:16:21 <samskiter> good morning all. im trying to fix up some code related to taking a picture and getting the result. stackoverflow weems awash with bad advise on this front so i thought i’d ask here. my setup is that an image is taken to a specified location. after the image is taken, I send an “ACTION_MEDIA_SCANNER_SCAN_FILE” intent. What i’d like to do at that point is to get a MINI thumbnail of the image. I know how to query those
Nov 13 10:16:21 <samskiter> ordinarily, but I need the image ID in the media store to do that. This is something I don’t have. Can anyone suggest how I can move from my filepath to a media store ID? (I probably need the content URI). Is this even possible? (i.e. if the media store scan hasn’t finished, will i even be able to this?)
Nov 13 10:17:33 <samskiter> (I’ve seen some suggestion that the DATA column in the media store contains the file path, but I’ve seen no documentation alluding to that)
Nov 13 10:20:01 <defuex> hi guys, one question. is it preferred to use a viewpager for sliding between fragments with different content (and using shared preferences for saving content momentarily) ?
Nov 13 10:20:04 <danijoo> samskiter: after image is taken, you can get its Uri with Uri.fromFile(file)
Nov 13 10:21:02 <samskiter> danjoo - that’s a file uri, not a content uri. how do i get a thumbnail from tat?
Nov 13 10:21:17 <danijoo> and after your file is saved
Nov 13 10:21:38 <danijoo> you can force the mediastore fo list your file by doing getContentResolver().insert(MediaStore.Images.Media.EXTERNAL_CONTENT_URI, ContentValues);
Nov 13 10:22:04 <danijoo> this call will result in the contentUri
Nov 13 10:22:22 <samskiter> ah brilliant.
Nov 13 10:22:40 <samskiter> this is presumably an alternative to firing a broadcast message to: ACTION_MEDIA_SCANNER_SCAN_FILE ?
Nov 13 10:22:46 <danijoo> i think so
Nov 13 10:22:49 <kevel> JakeWharton, picasso has a placeholder method for setting a placeholder.  But what I'm looking for is a solution for the following:
Nov 13 10:23:01 <samskiter> danijoo: so simple. thanks for the help :)
Nov 13 10:23:10 <kevel> JakeWharton, when a new image loads, it removes the current one, displays nothing, then displays the loaded image
Nov 13 10:23:27 <kevel> I need to somehow remove the part where there is now no image in my imageview
Nov 13 10:23:42 <danijoo> samskiter: thats the code im using to save an image from a website and insert it into mediastore and get the contentUri http://pastebin.com/7VPNb4PR
Nov 13 10:23:55 <samskiter> @danijoo: final question - is it correct to try and get the ID by taking the final component of a content URI ?
Nov 13 10:23:59 <JakeWharton> kevel: there's already a bug for that. search "noPlaceholder" on the GitHub project
Nov 13 10:23:59 <kevel> and it should be the previous used image (which was cached)
Nov 13 10:24:13 <JakeWharton> you can hit "Subscribe" on the right to be notified of updates
Nov 13 10:24:33 <danijoo> samskiter: dont know about that, sorry
Nov 13 10:25:22 <samskiter> @danijoo: Ah, i see you are using the DATA column of the mediastore. is that supported across platforms? the docs just say its the ‘data stream’ of the content
Nov 13 10:25:51 <danijoo> what do you mean with "accross platforms". arent we talking about android? :)
Nov 13 10:26:07 <samskiter> sorry, it’s early. I mean corss devices/versions?
Nov 13 10:26:11 <samskiter> across*
Nov 13 10:26:19 <danijoo> i think so. never got problems with that
Nov 13 10:26:29 <samskiter> ok. so the docs are crappy basically.
Nov 13 10:26:46 <danijoo> : D
Nov 13 10:27:20 <kevel> JakeWharton, perfect, thanks
Nov 13 10:28:00 <Foxandxss> hey JakeWharton, thanks for all you hard work, there is no android dev without you or square
Nov 13 10:28:31 <samskiter> danijoo: I have a pathological fear of using undocumented API features. Having been bitten by this kind of thing before.
Nov 13 10:28:55 <danijoo> half of android seems to be not officially ducumented :/
Nov 13 10:29:06 <danijoo> I got that code from some webtutorial
Nov 13 10:29:11 <danijoo> and can say its working for me
Nov 13 10:29:14 <danijoo> but thats all :/
Nov 13 10:29:16 <JakeWharton> Foxandxss: thanks. we try our best to help out.
Nov 13 10:32:10 <defuex> is it prefered to use a viewpager for sliding between fragments with different content (and using shared preferences for saving data momentarily)? is there a better way?
Nov 13 10:35:50 <danijoo> defuex: what else do you want to use?
Nov 13 10:36:02 <samskiter> danijoo: I don’t actually find it that bad. It’s only the datastore that are a bit whacky
Nov 13 10:36:09 <danijoo> there isnt anything providing the same funcionality :)
Nov 13 10:36:12 <samskiter> Didn’t they only recently release the contacts api
Nov 13 10:36:36 <danijoo> samskiter: wait until you try to find documentation on material design ^^
Nov 13 10:36:46 <samskiter> defeux: how do you mean momentarily
Nov 13 10:37:16 <samskiter> danijoo: i already did for the design side. you mean dev documentation? haven’t started looking yet - not had a chance to do any
Nov 13 10:37:51 <danijoo> yeah. i meant the dev documentation
Nov 13 10:38:30 <samskiter> i know there’s supposed to be a Z-order. that’s about all :P
Nov 13 10:40:12 <samskiter> defuex: you can use retained fragments, its the new alternative to saveRetainedInstanceState or whatever it was called
Nov 13 10:42:38 <defuex> samskiter: thx samskiter, i will look into it.
Nov 13 10:43:25 <defuex> danijoo: was just wondering if there are alternatives
Nov 13 10:44:23 <defuex> danijoo: and if i will be restricted at some point doing certain things when using fragments, with different data in a viewpager
Nov 13 10:45:30 <danijoo> at some point, doing certain things, with different data. : D
Nov 13 10:45:55 <Zharf> I wonder if there's a way to make lollipop dark like android used to be...
Nov 13 10:46:04 <Zharf> light apps hurt my eyes
Nov 13 10:46:52 <danijoo> Zharf: only for your own app i think :/
Nov 13 10:47:00 <Zharf> yeah that's what I'm afraid of
Nov 13 10:47:13 <Zharf> well, at least I'll never have to "upgrade" my own phone to lollipop
Nov 13 10:47:27 <danijoo> i like the new design
Nov 13 10:47:46 <Zharf> there's some things that are cool and a bunch of things that I hate
Nov 13 10:48:06 <danijoo> for example? (beside the light stock apps)
Nov 13 10:48:22 <Zharf> dialog "buttons"
Nov 13 10:50:47 <samskiter> defuex: that’s just for storing stuff while you rotate and such. i still dont see what you mean about saving data momentarily?
Nov 13 10:51:16 <samskiter> you mean you need to pass data from fragment A to B as you swipe?
Nov 13 10:51:25 <samskiter> if so you should pass it through the underlying activity i think
Nov 13 10:53:53 <defuex> samskiter: yes thats what i meant
Nov 13 10:54:30 <samskiter> so as fragment A is changed, store the data down on the activity. then pull it back out on fragment B?
Nov 13 10:54:54 <danijoo> defuex: as samskiter said you should use the activity for it. for example with some getters and setters to change a variable in the activity
Nov 13 10:55:12 <carbon_monoxide> Gallery is deprecated in API level 16. What should I use in replace?
Nov 13 10:55:13 <defuex> but what if i need it to be persistent when the app is in the background and i reopen it?
Nov 13 10:55:22 <danijoo> usually people use interfaces for that, that the activity must implement
Nov 13 10:55:33 <samskiter> defuex: then use shared prefs
Nov 13 10:55:49 <defuex> ^^ already doing it
Nov 13 10:55:53 <samskiter> :)
Nov 13 10:55:57 <defuex> haha
Nov 13 10:57:01 <danijoo> thats what onSaveInstanceState is for..
Nov 13 10:58:02 <defuex> i just wanted to be sure that im doing this the right way. im doing some sort of group management system and will need to store data with sharedpreferences and then later save some of this stuff in a database ^^
Nov 13 10:59:12 <danijoo> if you are using sharedprefs just for saving data when app goes to background you are doing it wrong ;)
Nov 13 10:59:59 <defuex> why? ^^
Nov 13 11:00:06 <danijoo> savedInstanceState
Nov 13 11:00:24 <defuex> ah yeah
Nov 13 11:00:53 <defuex> ill probably rethink this stuff ^^
Nov 13 11:01:10 <defuex> and try to put my data in a bundle
Nov 13 11:04:38 <shmooz> anyone like these lollipop menu buttons ?
Nov 13 11:05:01 <shmooz> they seem less identifiable
Nov 13 11:06:02 <defuex> wasnt there a problem when using viewpager with fragments and saving data per bundles and calling it via savedinstancestate again? i hardly can remind myself on that....but i thought there were some issues.
Nov 13 11:06:55 <samskiter> onSaveInstanceState is deprecated?
Nov 13 11:07:00 <danijoo> no it isnt
Nov 13 11:07:25 <defuex> is it? ^^
Nov 13 11:07:25 <samskiter> ah
Nov 13 11:07:26 <samskiter> sorry
Nov 13 11:07:34 <defuex> haha
Nov 13 11:07:40 <samskiter> I’m thinking of onretainnonconfigurationinstance
Nov 13 11:07:51 <samskiter> which is what retained fragments are for
Nov 13 11:08:45 <samskiter> i’ve been on an ios project for TOOO long
Nov 13 11:09:02 <defuex> iiiih, ios
Nov 13 11:09:07 <danijoo> samskiter: fragments can also be retained without config change
Nov 13 11:09:11 <danijoo> for example in a viewpager
Nov 13 11:09:55 <defuex> by the way guys, .net got open source
Nov 13 11:11:03 <samskiter> danijoo: you mean the viewpager retains them? what happens on a config change btw?
Nov 13 11:11:13 <shmooz> MS needs a cool CEO like Steve Jobs
Nov 13 11:11:31 <danijoo> if it wanders out of screen in viewpager it can get destroyed and recreated
Nov 13 11:11:35 <danijoo> same on config change
Nov 13 11:11:42 <defuex> but steve jobs is dead shmooz
Nov 13 11:12:03 <danijoo> on both cases onSaveInstanceState is called
Nov 13 11:12:14 <shmooz> well then they should hire Bono or Dr Dre
Nov 13 11:12:42 <defuex> i think that its a good start that .net got open source
Nov 13 11:13:26 <defuex> vs2015 will be on mac os ^^
Nov 13 11:15:28 <samskiter> danijoo: ahh yes, i see. presumably the same occurs on a rotate? all fragments remade.
Nov 13 11:19:15 <defuex> danijoo: but what if i have like 3 fragments in a viewpager to slide.....and im gonna need data i put in the first 2 fragments in the third fragment? won't this be a use for shared preferences then?
Nov 13 11:19:28 <danijoo> no
Nov 13 11:19:47 <defuex> or more fragments
Nov 13 11:19:47 <danijoo> then you store that data in the activity and use a getActivity().getMyData() in those fragments
Nov 13 11:20:13 <defuex> yeah, but is the data then still in the background?
Nov 13 11:20:34 <shmooz> MS going open source is like McDonalds going healthy
Nov 13 11:20:38 <defuex> like recreated when i close and reopen?
Nov 13 11:21:00 <danijoo> defuex: you should read the docs on activity and fragment lifecycle.
Nov 13 11:21:20 <danijoo> because it seems like you lack the basics ;)
Nov 13 11:21:46 <samskiter> defuex: yes, do that. if you need to save it in background use the saveinstancestate on the data.
Nov 13 11:21:50 <defuex> danijoo: well, im certainly not solid
Nov 13 11:22:09 <samskiter> danijoo: while we are on the topic, mind critiqueing this pattern i came up with for background work: https://github.com/samskiter/BoundServiceTest
Nov 13 11:22:55 <samskiter> (specifically prioritised background work on a shared resource)
Nov 13 11:23:25 <danijoo> defuex: there are two parts of data. if you only need the data to be persistent when someone pauses your app (put in background) and resumes it again, use saveInstanceState
Nov 13 11:24:18 <danijoo> SharedPreferences is if you want the data to be persistent even if the app is closed completly. For example if the user dont use it for 1 day, android might shut it down. then savedInstanceState data is lost while sharedPrefs is still available
Nov 13 11:24:25 <defuex> i now realized what you mean by saving it in the activity...since there is also an oninstancestate ;)...less sleep, too much coffee
Nov 13 11:25:16 <danijoo> to be concrete, youd use sharedPrefs to store something like the users mail address, while youd use instanceState to store the current state of a running game
Nov 13 11:25:18 <defuex> i know about that danijoo ^^...but sometimes, my brain goes numb
Nov 13 11:26:15 <danijoo> samskiter: i never used that pattern because I try to have as less services as possible in my apps :)
Nov 13 11:27:56 <samskiter> danijoo: I haven’t done much with services either, and my worry was also having too many running, hence this was designed to shut it down as soon as it wasn’t used (bound services)
Nov 13 11:28:24 <samskiter> android basically reference counts it for you so when you are done with it, it dies
Nov 13 11:28:39 <danijoo> i never used bound services at all
Nov 13 11:28:48 <danijoo> Only those intent services
Nov 13 11:29:06 <defuex> danijoo & samskiter: thank you very much guys
Nov 13 11:29:44 <samskiter> yea me neither, but i liked the idea for sharing a resource (internet, processing pipeline, bluetooth, whatever) across the ]app.
Nov 13 11:32:26 <defuex> you've got an actual example of when to use bound services nowadays? just because of interest
Nov 13 11:33:13 <danijoo> defuex: a chat application where you have to stay connected to a chatroom
Nov 13 11:33:59 <danijoo> or a music player that has to keep running even if its closed
Nov 13 11:34:46 <samskiter> I was intending to use this for the internet connection actually. So i could have a shared queue and a common place to make requests
Nov 13 11:34:57 <android-dev571> Hi all, I have two webviews in a fragment - when the second one loads, a white mask appears hiding the views outside of the fragment that are adjacent to the webview. When I scroll the webview the mask disappears. Anyonw know a way around this?
Nov 13 11:35:05 <OverCoder> guys, a method that get's a url passed and returns a url
Nov 13 11:35:20 <OverCoder> should i work with Strings or with URLs?
Nov 13 11:35:43 <samskiter> android-dev571: when I’ve had views drawing outside their bounds in the past i’ve fixed it by surrounding in a framelayout. might be worth a punt
Nov 13 11:35:52 <defuex> music player is still a good example ^^
Nov 13 11:36:13 <android-dev571> samskiter: The fragment is already in a framelayout - doesn't seem to help
Nov 13 11:36:15 <samskiter> OverCoder: I would suggest using the URL class. it shoudl have nice utility methods preventing you from having to do string parsing yourself
Nov 13 11:36:43 <OverCoder> alright
Nov 13 11:37:43 <samskiter> android-dev571: try inserting layouts everywhere! :p
Nov 13 11:39:51 <samskiter> android-dev571: wrap your webviews both in extra framelayouts/
Nov 13 11:40:03 <android-dev571> samskiter: Heh, just tried that but didn't help :/
Nov 13 11:40:05 <samskiter> I’ve had this with camera stuff before
Nov 13 11:40:06 <samskiter> lol
Nov 13 11:40:15 <samskiter> have you tried turning it off an on again?
Nov 13 11:48:22 <samskiter> denijoo: http://stackoverflow.com/a/11746999/1137254 this is your method yes? apparentlyit’s not working on 4.4+ ?
Nov 13 12:02:51 <platzhirsch> Why is my SwipeToRefresh showing a circle with a circular arrow out of all the sudden?
Nov 13 12:02:58 * platzhirsch loses his mind
Nov 13 12:05:14 <_flip> Hey. I'm trying to move a RecyclerView from an activity to a fragment. I'm trying to initalize the view in the onCreateView() overload but keep getting a bunch of null exeptions on the object returned by findViewById() even though it seems to be returning a view with the correct id. What am i missing?
Nov 13 12:05:33 <android-dev571> samskiter: Seems to be the webview background that's overflowing - any other ideas? >.>
Nov 13 12:07:34 <spots> how can i change the textcolor of the actionbar
Nov 13 12:08:00 <_flip> is a fragments view object not fully initialized when OnCreateView is called or something?
Nov 13 12:12:30 <samskiter> android-dev571: more layoutsss!!!!
Nov 13 12:12:51 <samskiter> sorry, im genuinely stumped. trying adding some clipping flags?
Nov 13 12:14:09 <android-dev571> samskiter: Tried that too... methinks something is borked in android...
Nov 13 12:15:20 <samskiter> android-dev571: IIRC there weree some flags you could set in the manifest for the acticvity to help webviews?
Nov 13 12:16:14 <samskiter> android-dev571:  any use: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15127762/webview-fails-to-render-until-touched-android-4-2-2 ?
Nov 13 12:16:40 <samskiter> android-dev571: this is what i was thinking of: android:hardwareAccelerated="false"
Nov 13 12:18:14 <samskiter> android-dev571: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebViewFragment.html sorry for the information overload. just a few options....
Nov 13 12:19:26 <_flip> so I tried moving the init code to OnAttach() - that did not help.
Nov 13 12:22:39 <thepoosh> hi all
Nov 13 12:22:47 <thepoosh> trying to intent to my app from the browser
Nov 13 12:23:12 <android-dev571> samskiter: Disabling hardware acceleration fixes the overlay, but now CSS animations & image resizing is horrid ;P
Nov 13 12:24:01 <_flip> Is a view object fully initialized and usable straight after inflating ?
Nov 13 12:25:46 <samskiter> android-dev571: you want your cake and you want to eat it! how unreasonable! ;)
Nov 13 12:25:55 <android-dev571> samskiter: You bet ;)
Nov 13 12:25:55 <samskiter> danijoo: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaScannerConnection.html This looks incredibly useful!!!
Nov 13 12:28:29 <gordon_> anyone got nexus 6 here ?
Nov 13 12:29:18 <SimonVT> _flip: Yes
Nov 13 12:33:13 <defuex> can't buy one...still not available in the alps :(
Nov 13 12:33:40 <fancy42> how can i use my light sensor measurements to decide between dark and light UI? it is fluctuating so fast.. is there something provided or best practicy or do i write a filter myself?
Nov 13 12:34:10 <danijoo> fancy42: maybe calculate some average over time.
Nov 13 12:34:49 <defuex> nobody here thinks that the nexus 6 is too big?
Nov 13 12:34:57 <_flip> Hey SimonVT, thanks for the response. I think I figured it out now.
Nov 13 12:35:01 <danijoo> defuex: everybody does
Nov 13 12:35:19 <fancy42> defuex, yes i do. i was very much looking forward to it, but now i'm sticking to my nexus 5
Nov 13 12:35:56 <defuex> i don't know...i would have like to buy new trousers to get it into my pockets
Nov 13 12:36:06 <fancy42> danijoo, yeah but even if i had a good threshold, there are to many quick changes for example when your driving a car
Nov 13 12:38:22 <defuex> i was so excited about the nexus 6...i think it really looks stylish...but the size though :(
Nov 13 12:44:36 <_flip> yeah, i think for my pants 4"-4.5" is ideal
Nov 13 12:47:40 <defuex> i think 4,8 is ideal for me...but 4 to 4.5 would also be ok
Nov 13 12:49:08 <Zharf> gee, these default wallpapers that come with lollipop image are horrible
Nov 13 12:49:30 <Zharf> I guess the live wallpaper is the best of them but it seems to run at like 15fps on this nexus 5
Nov 13 12:49:33 <Zharf> :P
Nov 13 12:49:37 <hokkaido> tough
Nov 13 12:51:51 <defuex> sou-nanda
Nov 13 12:56:34 <spots> hmm how can i mix style? i want the material dark action bar on the material light theme
Nov 13 12:58:46 <ultra-> write your graphics from scratch :)
Nov 13 13:00:00 <spots> nvm, found a solution
Nov 13 13:18:38 <perlsyntax> hi
Nov 13 13:18:50 <perlsyntax> :)
Nov 13 13:19:16 <perlsyntax> defuex,You get the nexus 6?
Nov 13 13:28:43 <Jesperhead> in my app, a user is expected to first log-in through the menu. After logging in, an asynctask runs to download an asset dependent on the account that logged in (an image file). Afterwards, I instruct the asynctask to "update" the main activity with this logo and to "go back" to the main activity. I desire to update the main activity UI with this image asset so when the asynctask goes back,...
Nov 13 13:28:45 <Jesperhead> ...it is readily visible.
Nov 13 13:29:39 <Jesperhead> With my current set up, the image does not appear until you restart the main activity, be it from ap restart or visiting one activity and defaulting again to the main activity
Nov 13 13:39:21 <hackable> Please help... what's the name of the header on this image ---> https://github.com/gabrielemariotti/cardslib/blob/master/demo/images/demo/native/native_recyclerView.png
Nov 13 13:42:10 <SimonVT> Be more specific
Nov 13 13:44:33 <hackable> SimonVT: the blue header at the top before the listview
Nov 13 13:44:57 <SimonVT> There's a toolbar
Nov 13 13:45:12 <SimonVT> And what looks like some textviews and an imageview in a viewgroup with a blue background
Nov 13 13:45:35 <SimonVT> Might also just be a a view added to the toolbar
Nov 13 13:47:21 <kometonja> hey guys.. I am trying to open PDF file via intent and the reader says "file not found". path had whitespaces but it was escaped, ie '\ ' instead of ' '
Nov 13 13:47:25 <kometonja> what am i missing?
Nov 13 13:47:49 <kometonja> if i do ls -l from adb shell filename is shown and exists..
Nov 13 13:50:36 <t0th_-_> hi
Nov 13 13:51:01 <t0th_-_> Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{com.xxx.xxx/com.xxx.xxx.LoginActivity}: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
Nov 13 13:51:19 <t0th_-_> but i have com.xxx.xxx.LoginActivity in my project
Nov 13 13:52:50 <kometonja> <t0th_-_>, did you add your activity to android manifest?
Nov 13 13:52:56 <t0th_-_> yes
Nov 13 13:53:02 <hackable> Hello
Nov 13 13:53:20 <hackable> Thank SimonVT, yes.. i'm hinking its toolbar also..
Nov 13 13:54:03 <t0th_-_> http://pastebin.com/z36Q9ySG
Nov 13 13:54:28 <hackable> SimonVT, how can i achieve something like that... i'm look at a library but i don't understand the library
Nov 13 13:57:34 <kometonja> <t0th_-_>,  <action android:name="android.intent.action.MAIN" />
Nov 13 13:57:40 <kometonja> doesnt look right
Nov 13 13:58:01 <kometonja> should be something like  <action android:name="android.intent.action.LOGINACTIVITY" /> ?
Nov 13 13:58:54 <kometonja> also maybe <category android:name="android.intent.category.DEFAULT" /> instead od LAUNCHER
Nov 13 14:00:39 <t0th_-_> no
Nov 13 14:03:40 <hackable> SimonVT, are you dere?
Nov 13 14:07:30 <t0th_-_> Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{com.xxx.xxx/com.xxx.xxx.LoginActivity}: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
Nov 13 14:07:32 <t0th_-_> how i can solve this?
Nov 13 14:07:49 <hackable> where is the uRL
Nov 13 14:07:57 <hackable> code
Nov 13 14:08:08 <t0th_-_> http://pastebin.com/z36Q9ySG
Nov 13 14:37:22 <t0th_-_> i found the error
Nov 13 14:37:44 <t0th_-_> my name of activity is LoginActivty
Nov 13 14:37:48 <t0th_-_> withou "i"
Nov 13 14:49:11 <malroy> hi ! guys, I have question about Dagger's scoped graphs. I need a singleton presenter for my activity which lives when the activity is alive and doesn't kept in memory when the activity isn't used. So, I decided to use scoped graph for that purpose. In the presenter I want to perform async operations and after orientation change activity reads the state of operation in presenter and shows according ui. I create scoped graph in onCreate and onDestroy 
Nov 13 14:49:50 <JakeWharton> you'd have to pass the scoped ObjectGraph through the non-configuration instance of Activity
Nov 13 14:51:04 <JakeWharton> gotta go, about to present on Dagger 2 :)
Nov 13 14:51:07 * OverCoder shoots himself threes
Nov 13 14:51:25 <OverCoder> this is hilarious
Nov 13 14:51:36 <OverCoder> why the damn AVD won't work
Nov 13 14:51:39 <Leeds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEXHeTcxQy4
Nov 13 14:55:07 <malroy> Thanks, Jake ! I'll try it !
Nov 13 14:56:14 <aaearon> alright i need some assistance. i have an activity with a MediaPlayer and when I start another activity (for example chromecast button or through an action provider) and return to the activity with the MediaPlayer, i get an illegalstate exception. docs say setDisplay() can be called in any state. code and execption is at bottom http://pastebin.com/0Vm205G1
Nov 13 15:01:10 <mrpyo> hello, does anyone know how can I upload my Android Library Project created with Android Studio to Maven Central?
Nov 13 15:01:25 <t0th_-_> guys, what is better using parse.com to push notification or create my own php server do notifications?
Nov 13 15:01:56 <JacobTabak> shiet there's no dismiss all notifications button on n5 running lollipop?
Nov 13 15:02:19 <JacobTabak> t0th_-_ that depends on a lot of factors, i think parse offers some nice services, but you have to consider price, scale, and tying yourself to a 3rd party system
Nov 13 15:03:07 <JacobTabak> oh btw i was wron,g the button is there but it can get hidden
Nov 13 15:04:10 <t0th_-_> ok, thanks JacobTabak
Nov 13 15:08:53 <OverCoder> <item name="android:actionBarStyle">@style/MyActionBar</item>
Nov 13 15:08:53 <OverCoder> <!-- Support library compatibility -->
Nov 13 15:08:53 <OverCoder> <item name="actionBarStyle">@style/MyActionBar</item>
Nov 13 15:08:57 <OverCoder> from the docs ^
Nov 13 15:09:13 <OverCoder> however, i get error on the android:actionBarStyle thing
Nov 13 15:12:07 <malroy> >>JakeWharton: you'd have to pass the scoped ObjectGraph through the non-configuration instance of Activity
Nov 13 15:12:07 <malroy> I'm wondering, but if I want to use presenter in fragment, how can I save ObjectGraph ? One of the solutions is to use Fragment.setRetainInstance(true).  But this can only be used with fragments not in the back stack. So what to do in that case ? Not use backstack for fragments or not use ObjectGraph if fragments but only in activities ?
Nov 13 15:14:47 <OverCoder> should i use both android:background and background? or just the support library one? (background)
Nov 13 15:16:44 <JacobTabak> OverCoder whats your min API?
Nov 13 15:16:53 <JacobTabak> and whts the error
Nov 13 15:17:23 <OverCoder> 14
Nov 13 15:17:28 <OverCoder> no wait it's 8
Nov 13 15:17:42 <JacobTabak> so im assuming the error says you can't use android:actionbarStyle before api 11?
Nov 13 15:17:47 <JacobTabak> thats self explanatory yes?
Nov 13 15:17:48 <OverCoder> error: android:actionBarStyle requires API level 11 (current min is 8)
Nov 13 15:17:56 <OverCoder> yeah
Nov 13 15:18:02 <OverCoder> but in the android docs i should add that
Nov 13 15:18:07 <android-dev379> Hello, I am wondering about the security considerations of storing a .jks in the root of my repository.  1- Could anybody steal my identity to sign an app if they had the .jks? 2- Would they need both passwords that android studio has you create when you generate the .jks  to do anything with it? Would they be able to generate the same .jks if they had the two passwords?
Nov 13 15:19:24 <JacobTabak> hello mr. android-dev379
Nov 13 15:19:27 <OverCoder> i /think/ nobody can't steal yours without a password android-dev379
Nov 13 15:19:50 <JacobTabak> repo is closed source?
Nov 13 15:20:19 <android-dev379> Yes, but in the situation the code leaked somehow
Nov 13 15:20:45 <JacobTabak> how is the app distributed?
Nov 13 15:20:49 <JacobTabak> google play?
Nov 13 15:21:04 <android-dev379> no .. it's going to be distributed internally in my company
Nov 13 15:21:29 <JacobTabak> if its not distributed yet why not just change the keys?
Nov 13 15:21:39 <JacobTabak> (i ask because you said "going to be" not "is")
Nov 13 15:21:53 <android-dev379> Alternatively, can gradle read a symlink to the .jks which is held outside of the repo?
Nov 13 15:22:12 <JacobTabak> well there's no reason to do that
Nov 13 15:22:16 <JacobTabak> just .gitignore it
Nov 13 15:22:25 <android-dev379> I don't want to change the keys because people would need to uninstall the old app each time it was updated
Nov 13 15:22:42 <JacobTabak> ok - i only asked because i assumed from your wording that it had not been distributed yet
Nov 13 15:22:55 <JacobTabak> the keystore is cryptographically secure but it could be cracked
Nov 13 15:23:04 <JacobTabak> with enough time, effort, and computing power
Nov 13 15:23:10 <JacobTabak> they'd need both keys
Nov 13 15:23:16 <JacobTabak> keystore and alias
Nov 13 15:23:26 <android-dev379> It hasn't been distributed, but once you release it once can't you not change it w/o changing the sig of the app?
Nov 13 15:23:28 <JacobTabak> and of course there's no fail2ban on a keystore
Nov 13 15:23:36 <JacobTabak> that's correct
Nov 13 15:23:44 <android-dev379> I'm considering if it was released and then leaked to someone somehow 5 months later
Nov 13 15:23:56 <JacobTabak> oh so this is a hypothetical situation
Nov 13 15:24:03 <android-dev379> yes
Nov 13 15:24:32 <JacobTabak> i wouldn't worry about someone cracking the password
Nov 13 15:24:32 <android-dev379> I know the chances of this happening are near zero but it's a big company ;)
Nov 13 15:25:17 <android-dev379> I will likely .gitignore it
Nov 13 15:25:19 <JacobTabak> because even if they did rent a supercomputer and spend hundreds of years cracking the password
Nov 13 15:25:25 <JacobTabak> they would have no way of distributing it
Nov 13 15:25:36 <JacobTabak> to your current users
Nov 13 15:26:17 <denvar> Anybody know how to manually set the background color used in the "recent tasks" card? I know it uses android:colorPrimary from the Theme by default, but I want to set a different color
Nov 13 15:26:40 <ech0s7> hi all!
Nov 13 15:26:41 <JacobTabak> good question denvar i'm going to see if i can find out
Nov 13 15:26:46 <JacobTabak> let me know if you find anything
Nov 13 15:26:50 <ech0s7> it's possible to show old style menu on Android 4 ?
Nov 13 15:27:01 <JacobTabak> what do you mean old style
Nov 13 15:27:11 <denvar> JacobTabak, will do, struggling to find rel. docs :/
Nov 13 15:27:23 <JacobTabak> my instinct tells me that it's not customizable
Nov 13 15:27:29 <JacobTabak> other than by colorprimary
Nov 13 15:27:58 <JacobTabak> hmm i would like to see a list of ALL the new attrs in lollipop
Nov 13 15:28:03 <ech0s7> JacobTabak: http://www.authsmtp.com/images/android-2-2-4.jpg
Nov 13 15:28:11 <JacobTabak> oh my god
Nov 13 15:28:13 <JacobTabak> please
Nov 13 15:28:23 <denvar> sadly our primary color is based on our logo/branding, which look terrible when overlayed, will keep digging
Nov 13 15:29:07 <JacobTabak> ech0s7 do NOT use this for a "menu" button, but this is a component of material design: http://www.google.com/design/spec/components/bottom-sheets.html
Nov 13 15:29:33 <JacobTabak> e.g. http://material-design.storage.googleapis.com/publish/v_1/quantumexternal/0Bx4BSt6jniD7TWxlWUczX21CQU0/components_bottomsheets_specs6.png
Nov 13 15:29:52 <JacobTabak> There is no widget. you'd have to do it yourself, as far as i know
Nov 13 15:30:27 <ech0s7> JacobTabak: but it works on api level previous to 21 ? (android 4.3 for example)
Nov 13 15:30:41 <JacobTabak> as i just said... there's no widget
Nov 13 15:30:44 <JacobTabak> you have to implement it yourself
Nov 13 15:30:51 <JacobTabak> so you can make it work on whatever api level you want it to
Nov 13 15:30:58 <JacobTabak> these are just design guidelines
Nov 13 15:30:59 <ChrisUK> is there anyway to stop the android OS going on shutdown when you activity has focus?
Nov 13 15:31:17 <JacobTabak> you mean override the power button functionality?
Nov 13 15:31:20 <ChrisUK> well
Nov 13 15:31:23 <JacobTabak> or prevent it from running out of battery? LOL
Nov 13 15:31:34 <ChrisUK> you know where it kind of goes to blank screen
Nov 13 15:31:38 <ech0s7> JacobTabak: https://github.com/soarcn/BottomSheet
Nov 13 15:31:39 <ChrisUK> when no activity
Nov 13 15:31:42 <JacobTabak> uh yeah just get a wake lock
Nov 13 15:31:48 <JacobTabak> right?
Nov 13 15:32:24 <JacobTabak> ech0s7 that's actually a pretty cool library
Nov 13 15:32:29 <JacobTabak> lets you define the items in xml like any other menu
Nov 13 15:32:32 <ChrisUK> ok thanks ill look up wake lock
Nov 13 15:32:57 <JacobTabak> i think github should have like a general comments section
Nov 13 15:32:59 <JacobTabak> rather than issues
Nov 13 15:33:11 <JacobTabak> so people can just say stuff like 'thanks for making this library'
Nov 13 15:34:11 <OverCoder> should i use the new toolbar or it's just ok with an actionbar?
Nov 13 15:35:01 <OverCoder> because, my app is targeted to api 21, so i created a toolbar in the layout, when i do setSupportActionBar(R.id.toolbar) an exception is thrown
Nov 13 15:35:19 <JacobTabak> oh my god OverCoder
Nov 13 15:35:30 <OverCoder> i'm a terrible man
Nov 13 15:35:34 <JacobTabak> how many times are you going to complain about an exception being thrown?
Nov 13 15:35:43 <JacobTabak> without saying what it is or why its happening?
Nov 13 15:35:46 <JacobTabak> or googling it
Nov 13 15:35:51 <OverCoder> i tried googling
Nov 13 15:35:58 <OverCoder> but sec
Nov 13 15:35:59 <JacobTabak> did you google "an exception"
Nov 13 15:36:03 <JacobTabak> because that probably won't get you too far
Nov 13 15:36:19 <t0th_-_> i have a linearlayout with background @drwable/image, how i can bluring this background ?
Nov 13 15:38:07 <JacobTabak> t0th_-_ you probably can't if it's a background without a heavily customized view
Nov 13 15:38:26 <t0th_-_> thanks
Nov 13 15:38:26 <JacobTabak> i'd suggest using a framelayout container that has an imageview (for the background) and a linearlayout on top of it
Nov 13 15:38:37 <JacobTabak> then you can use any image processing on the iamgeview
Nov 13 15:42:14 <TenCashMan> Is it possible for a user to initiate a transaction that retrieves money from your account and sends it to said user? (Like they request a payout)
Nov 13 15:43:35 <JacobTabak> is this an android development question?
Nov 13 15:43:41 <TenCashMan> Indeed
Nov 13 15:43:53 <TenCashMan> Sorry. Maybe should have specified
Nov 13 15:44:17 <TenCashMan> By account, I mean it could be Google Wallet or Paypal preferably
Nov 13 15:44:47 <JacobTabak> i think you'd have to look at the APIs for those services
Nov 13 15:45:01 <JacobTabak> and documentation
Nov 13 15:45:36 <TenCashMan> Now that I'm thinking about this, it would probably be safer to have it server side anyhow
Nov 13 15:57:48 <XniX23> how can i get menuInflatr? getMenuInflater(); cannot be resolved inside onCreateContextMenu
Nov 13 15:58:14 <JacobTabak> onCreateContextMenu is not a class
Nov 13 15:58:21 <JacobTabak> it's a method, methods belong to classes
Nov 13 15:58:42 <JacobTabak> what class are you in? activity? fragment?
Nov 13 15:58:48 <JacobTabak> view?
Nov 13 16:00:02 <XniX23> JacobTabak, inside a Fragment
Nov 13 16:00:10 <JacobTabak> you could call getActivity().getMenuInflater()
Nov 13 16:00:21 <XniX23> let me try this
Nov 13 16:00:39 <yoavst> does someone uses Kotlin with android studio? got cannot find symbol class
Nov 13 16:08:44 <ChrisUK> if an application requrests a permission or feature does that apply to all activities in that application?#
Nov 13 16:09:47 <SimonVT> Permissions are per application
Nov 13 16:31:52 <ravilov> ugh, AS is such a piece of crud. have 0.8.9, wants to update to 0.8.14. first it complains how the SDK can no longer be in the AS folder and I need to move it elsewhere. ok, fine, whatever. then it fails because it can't delete a file? I try and I can delete it just fine. rerun the upgrade, now it fails because it can't *find* that same file?? I just gave up on it after that. (the file was svn4ide
Nov 13 16:31:58 <ravilov> a.jar or someauch.)
Nov 13 16:32:46 <skrite> i am getting  stuck with a NullPointerException about line 50 here where i set an adapter. I cannot find what i amd doing wrong here http://pastie.org/9717091
Nov 13 16:35:57 <frojnd> So I setSomething() inside annonymous inner class. But when I'm outside of the annonymous class how can I retrieve data? I tried to set setters and getters but when using them outside of the annoynmous class I get only declared data of attributes. Why is that?
Nov 13 16:36:46 <frojnd> Or how do I change attribute inside anonymous inner class (listener) and then use this data outside listener?
Nov 13 16:37:03 <frojnd> by changing attribute I mean how do I change assigned value
Nov 13 16:38:44 <ChrisUK> is it ok to just call finish(); inside onBackPress?
Nov 13 16:41:50 <SimonVT> That's what onBackPressed does by default
Nov 13 16:42:05 <ChrisUK> hmm ok
Nov 13 16:42:10 <ChrisUK> maybe it is getting called twice then
Nov 13 16:42:25 <ChrisUK> do I need to call it explicity if I override that method?
Nov 13 16:42:59 <SimonVT> Normal rules for overriding methods apply
Nov 13 16:43:21 <ChrisUK> so I need to call the super?
Nov 13 16:43:32 <ChrisUK> super.onBackPressed(); at bottom?
Nov 13 16:44:27 <SimonVT> If you want the default behavior to happen you call through to super, yes
Nov 13 16:44:57 <ChrisUK> the error I am getting
Nov 13 16:45:03 <ChrisUK> is failure to deliver result
Nov 13 16:50:31 <r00s> the "android studio with sdk for linux" download apparently doesn't contain the sdk or sdk manager
Nov 13 16:51:18 <shekibobo> not sure any of them do anymore
Nov 13 16:52:13 <ObrienDave> ummm, mine did
Nov 13 16:52:28 <r00s> well, i now found the link to the sdk standalone package. but if what's called "android studio with sdk.zip" doesn't contain an sdk, something is wrong
Nov 13 16:52:48 <r00s> ObrienDave: for linux, the latest version?
Nov 13 16:54:58 <ObrienDave> think so, tools, android, sdk manager
Nov 13 16:55:29 <ObrienDave> AS 0.8.9
Nov 13 16:56:28 <OverCoder> does android emulator requires OpenGL?
Nov 13 16:59:18 <r00s> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79178
Nov 13 17:01:24 <platzhirsch> Is there something like a class load order in Gradle? Somehow a class is overriden by a different one through a different Maven repository
Nov 13 17:08:03 <stenosis> does anyone know if the BLE advertise mode is working on the Moto G with the latest android5 release?
Nov 13 17:09:11 <stenosis> the nexus5 has some problems there, since the bluetooth chip seems to doesnt support the BLE advertice mode: https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&q=&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary&groupby=&sort=&id=1570
Nov 13 17:13:49 <f00dWorksta> how do I get a shape (rectabgle) with a line through the middle?
Nov 13 17:14:05 <f00dWorksta> s/rectabgle/rectangle/
Nov 13 17:20:22 <OverCoder> KILL ME
Nov 13 17:20:34 <OverCoder> DAT 2GB RAM IS INSUFFICIENT
Nov 13 17:20:47 <OverCoder> 3GB swap + 2GB Ram
Nov 13 17:20:49 <BasilArackal> Hey guys how many of you think Macs are better for Android dev than windows?
Nov 13 17:20:50 <OverCoder> lel
Nov 13 17:21:12 <OverCoder> Linux is the best IMO
Nov 13 17:22:48 <stenosis> +1 for linux, send from OS X (getting forced to use this, but it’s still better than a windows machine)
Nov 13 17:23:31 <Estel> Of all the elements in your toolchain for Android dev, OS has to be among the least important >_>
Nov 13 17:23:53 <BasilArackal> stenosis why do you think OS X sucks?
Nov 13 17:24:06 <stenosis> i dont think that os x sucks
Nov 13 17:24:14 <stenosis> it’s a nice os, but i would preffer linux
Nov 13 17:24:22 <stenosis> windows sucks :)
Nov 13 17:24:29 <BasilArackal> Any particular reasons for it/
Nov 13 17:24:38 <BasilArackal> I agree windows sucks! I'm a windows user currently
Nov 13 17:24:41 <BasilArackal> and am planning to switch
Nov 13 17:27:11 <stenosis> the particular reason is that i have full control of the os when i’m using linux, that’s all.
Nov 13 17:27:49 <BasilArackal> stenosis what kinda mac do u use?
Nov 13 17:28:10 <stenosis> is anyone here who has some experience with the new ble ad mode on android5? :-/
Nov 13 17:28:15 <stenosis> mba
Nov 13 17:28:26 <stenosis> i7, 8gb
Nov 13 17:28:27 <fancy42> is is 'hard' (meaning elaborate) to install lollipop with a factory image without losing data?
Nov 13 17:29:30 <BasilArackal> which ide do u use?
Nov 13 17:29:42 <BasilArackal> @stenosis
Nov 13 17:30:40 <stenosis> android studio for android dev, netbeans for java and qtcreator for mainly c/c++ stuff
Nov 13 17:32:52 <BasilArackal> have you ever felt like mba is a bit too slow for compiling apps and all? I'm planning to get a mac for Android dev, coz it windows it sucks! big time
Nov 13 17:33:10 <stenosis> nope, it’s a damn fast machine
Nov 13 17:33:26 <stenosis> never had any slowdowns even when it’s working hard :D
Nov 13 17:33:36 <OverCoder> dammit
Nov 13 17:33:43 <stenosis> so it’s a great machine, even for coding
Nov 13 17:33:52 <OverCoder> i can only run AVD on Microsoft Basic graphic driver
Nov 13 17:33:58 <OverCoder> that's just better than none :/
Nov 13 17:34:03 <stenosis> hehe
Nov 13 17:35:13 <OverCoder> aaaand my HDD will die soon like this
Nov 13 17:35:17 <OverCoder> almost 100% used all time
Nov 13 17:35:26 <BasilArackal> g! thanks stenosis I was under the impression that it'd be too slow and stuffs are you using the haswell mba?
Nov 13 17:36:57 <stenosis> mba 2013, i7 haswell 1.7GHz.. and it’s really a screamer for such a small thing.
Nov 13 17:38:18 <JacobTabak> g00s does a lot of stuff with bluetooth stenosis not sure if he knows about this thing your'e talking about with AD mode :O
Nov 13 17:40:34 <stenosis> thanks JacobTabak for the info
Nov 13 17:40:35 <OverCoder> i think i'm going to let AVD to boot-up all night -_-
Nov 13 17:40:43 <OverCoder> it takes forever to bootup
Nov 13 17:41:37 <stenosis> hey g00s do you have some experience with the new bluetooth low energy ad mode on the nexus devices or on the moto g?
Nov 13 17:41:46 <OverCoder> lol windows task manager
Nov 13 17:41:54 <mattblang> isn't there a built in style now for "flat" buttons with material design?
Nov 13 17:42:10 <OverCoder> idk why it says the emulator reading from disk @ 164MB/s
Nov 13 17:42:11 <OverCoder> lel
Nov 13 17:42:13 <g00s> stenosis no, you mean broadcasting in peripheral mode right ?
Nov 13 17:42:49 <stenosis> goos, yeah exactly. The new peripheral mode.
Nov 13 17:43:07 <g00s> i don't have api 21 , also no need for it atm
Nov 13 17:43:20 <g00s> (peripheral mode) - sorry, can' thelp
Nov 13 17:43:28 <stenosis> a damn it, okay :) but thanks anyway
Nov 13 17:43:41 * g00s sits back and watches how the new ble stuff unfolds haha
Nov 13 17:44:10 <stenosis> ;)
Nov 13 18:06:57 <g00s> just the n6? https://plus.google.com/+JeremyCamp1337/posts/iDyPjEuEf51
Nov 13 18:13:12 <stenosis> oh that seems to be getting interesting
Nov 13 18:13:45 <samB__> What is the minimum API Level you guys recommend supporting? I know as low as possible is best but I don’t have a device with an older android OS on it.
Nov 13 18:14:01 <g00s> 15 or 16
Nov 13 18:14:50 <squirrel> i find anything higher than api 8 easy to support
Nov 13 18:16:13 <samB__> I currently had it on 9 but I’ll probably set it higher to be safe as I have no way of testing the older OS versions
Nov 13 18:16:59 <squirrel> emulators!
Nov 13 18:17:55 <g00s> for a new app, no way
Nov 13 18:18:02 <g00s> squirrel stop spreading bullshit
Nov 13 18:18:07 <samB__> hehe
Nov 13 18:18:22 <squirrel> :<
Nov 13 18:18:55 <squirrel> i had more problems with ldpis than with low apis though
Nov 13 18:19:20 <EPG> samB__, 21
Nov 13 18:19:58 <OverCoder> the latest ADT update is the worst ever
Nov 13 18:20:41 <OverCoder> when it auto-generates a project or a class, sometimes it uses a deprecated method, other times the project is broke due to wrong manifest modification, and so on
Nov 13 18:20:43 <OverCoder> very bad one
Nov 13 18:20:53 <OverCoder> s/class/activity/
Nov 13 18:21:41 <samB__> Why so high EPG ? g00s suggested 15 or 16?
Nov 13 18:22:09 <sarbs> api 8? 4srsly?
Nov 13 18:22:15 <sarbs> do you code for ie6 too
Nov 13 18:23:36 <squirrel> it's not like one has to do much work to support each and every api
Nov 13 18:23:53 <EPG> samB__, the questions is what you want to do, then you can look which levels you could support and then which levels you will support
Nov 13 18:25:06 <squirrel> especially if you don't care about ratings and such
Nov 13 18:25:33 <samB__> EPG: It’s my first Google Play game - is just a simple matching game with in-app piurchases
Nov 13 18:25:43 <samB__> For young kids so its nothing too advanced
Nov 13 18:26:24 <EPG> if you can do it with >=9 I'd do it
Nov 13 18:26:37 <etudor> where is best to inssert tracker from GA? in onStart or onCreate method?
Nov 13 18:27:03 <EPG> or 10, although iirc there's no big difference
Nov 13 18:33:31 <samB__> EPG: Thanks I’ll try once of those and keep an eye out on the reviews for any signs of crashing
Nov 13 18:34:06 <EPG> samB__, test your app extensively before publishing it
Nov 13 18:34:50 <EPG> although you can fix it, it's more difficult to recover from low ratings
Nov 13 18:36:36 <squirrel> crashes lead to bad ratings tho
Nov 13 18:36:54 <samB__> Yeah thats a good point I’ve spent the last few days ironing out , my original goal was Monday but I’m glad I took the time out to make sure it was properly polished
Nov 13 18:38:53 <squirrel> how many devices you've tested it on
Nov 13 18:39:18 <squirrel> that irc lag
Nov 13 18:39:55 <EPG> samB__, ask your friends to test it for some days, better don't hurry with a release
Nov 13 18:40:49 <squirrel> and test on ldpi
Nov 13 18:41:09 <squirrel> just in case
Nov 13 18:42:28 <marrrk> Is anybody running this guy: https://github.com/AsyncHttpClient/async-http-client on Android?
Nov 13 18:45:20 <kot09> Hey guys, new to Android. So I would like to have some advice on how to store information to a database from an Android app. What would be the best way to do it? I basically want to store login info and score info
Nov 13 18:45:25 <etudor> hello, how can i debug google analytics in an app? in live tracking i don't see anything
Nov 13 18:45:51 <OverCoder> when following the android tutorial, should i apply and test whatever i learn? or just keep reading?
Nov 13 18:45:56 <marrrk> kot09: You don't store that in a database probably but sharedPreferences
Nov 13 18:45:57 <snooplsm> Is there a way to get my gradle.properties to propagate to library projects?
Nov 13 18:46:25 <snooplsm> I would figure project.properties would propagate from the root project but it isn't
Nov 13 18:47:11 <etudor> <OverCoder> you should apply and test
Nov 13 18:47:24 <OverCoder> ×،
Nov 13 18:47:28 <OverCoder> i mean
Nov 13 18:47:28 <OverCoder> OK
Nov 13 18:47:51 <etudor> that is what i do
Nov 13 18:48:50 <samB__> EPG + squirrel:  I have a nexus 7 and 4 I also had too other testers with different devices and there didn’t seem to be any obvious issues but I agree with you both and will ask some more friends if they could also take a quick look.
Nov 13 18:48:56 <snooplsm> is there a way to have gradle.properties work in my library projects too?
Nov 13 18:49:33 <squirrel> samB__: nice, do that
Nov 13 18:49:52 <kot09> marrrk: i'm trying to create a game with my own personal profile (not using google play). So for now, I would store only login and scores. But as I make it more complex, I want to store more info.
Nov 13 18:50:11 <marrrk> kot09: Then use sqlite
Nov 13 18:50:27 <marrrk> I'm sure you've stumbled across that whilst your extensive googling prior to asking this question.
Nov 13 18:51:24 <kot09> marrrk: well I saw it in the android training. But I just wanted to make sure there weren't other good options
Nov 13 18:51:48 <marrrk> I think sqlite is the most well documented and straightforward way
Nov 13 18:54:34 <kot09> marrrk okay thank you very much!
Nov 13 19:05:13 <And_prog_desaste> hi on a surface view it takes about 600ms to load the canvas can i do a background preset
Nov 13 19:11:20 <Mattx> Hi
Nov 13 19:11:38 <Mattx> I've a GridView with numColumns="1" but this attribute seems to be ignored
Nov 13 19:11:53 <Mattx> the grid looks like a 2 columns one
Nov 13 19:11:56 <Mattx> what could be wrong?
Nov 13 19:21:19 <gmg85> hi?
Nov 13 19:21:42 <alex__c2022> Anyone have experience with BroadcastReciever? I’m trying to fire a block of code with custom action via notification click, but it’s failing silently. Anyone run into this?
Nov 13 19:22:08 <gmg85> my app requires users to enter locations that will be displayed in a map...is there an easier way to get them to do this other than entering longitude and latitude values?
Nov 13 19:24:08 <pfn> have them click on a map...
Nov 13 19:25:01 <ChrisUK> how can you identify a view in a list box?
Nov 13 19:30:10 <Estel> Do people recommend / have experience with AQuery? Inherited a project that uses it pretty heavily, and trying to decide whether to make the effort to not trample on it
Nov 13 19:30:48 <JacobTabak> don't know what it is - but good luck with the decision
Nov 13 19:31:02 <JacobTabak> i think it depends if you're going to be maintaining the project long term, or just making a few fixes
Nov 13 19:31:04 <ChrisUK> is there a way to uniquely identify an object in java
Nov 13 19:31:15 <JacobTabak> ChrisUK hashCode
Nov 13 19:31:17 <ChrisUK> so thisobject == thatobject
Nov 13 19:31:26 <ChrisUK> hashcode is like a pointer in C++?
Nov 13 19:31:36 <JacobTabak> uhm
Nov 13 19:31:40 <JacobTabak> no, the object itself is a pointer
Nov 13 19:31:43 <Estel> ChrisUK: well, most objects override .equals to do that for you?
Nov 13 19:31:49 <ChrisUK> well
Nov 13 19:31:57 <ChrisUK> I have apointer to a view
Nov 13 19:32:08 <ChrisUK> sorry an object thatis a view
Nov 13 19:32:24 <ChrisUK> and I need to check if that instance of view is the "same" as another one
Nov 13 19:32:27 <Estel> JacobTabak: mostly I'm adding new functionality so I'm ignoring all the existing stuff, but there are parts where I guess I need to tenderly love it
Nov 13 19:32:42 <ChrisUK> ie is the same view
Nov 13 19:33:26 <ChrisUK> these views are textviews from a listview
Nov 13 19:34:35 <Estel> ChrisUK: what are you trying to do, at a high level?
Nov 13 19:34:54 <ChrisUK> basically
Nov 13 19:34:55 <Estel> If it's actually the same object, == should work for any object
Nov 13 19:35:08 <ChrisUK> I store a pointer to the currently selected view in a listview
Nov 13 19:35:31 <ChrisUK> from the last click
Nov 13 19:35:55 <ChrisUK> for example
Nov 13 19:36:15 <ChrisUK> String A = new String("ABC"); String B = A; A == B will return true?
Nov 13 19:36:28 <squirrel> doesn't listview implement item ids
Nov 13 19:36:32 <ChrisUK> dont know
Nov 13 19:36:42 <ChrisUK> does it give each view a unique id?
Nov 13 19:36:44 <Ashiren> dont compare strings with ==
Nov 13 19:36:54 <Ashiren> use .equals
Nov 13 19:36:55 <Estel> Ashiren: I don't think that was Chris' question
Nov 13 19:36:56 <ChrisUK> Ashiren I am not comparing
Nov 13 19:37:25 <ChrisUK> but String A = new String("ABC"); String B = new String("ABC"); A == B will return false?
Nov 13 19:37:26 <Ashiren> oh
Nov 13 19:37:38 <Ashiren> it will be false i believe
Nov 13 19:37:45 <spots> yes
Nov 13 19:37:47 <ChrisUK> ok so ==
Nov 13 19:37:52 <Ashiren> new String("xxx") != "xxx"
Nov 13 19:37:57 <ChrisUK> for an object says is this the same instance?
Nov 13 19:37:59 <spots> == -> same object
Nov 13 19:38:01 <squirrel> make sure you don't leak that view
Nov 13 19:38:11 <spots> string1.equals(string2) same content
Nov 13 19:38:11 <ChrisUK> ie both reference the same underlying object?
Nov 13 19:38:15 <Ashiren> yes it references the same object
Nov 13 19:38:22 <ChrisUK> ok thanks
Nov 13 19:38:48 <ChrisUK> if this causes bug I blame you lol
Nov 13 19:40:19 <paulo_cv> hello, does someone know if this pairing dialog belongs to AOSP or to the application? there's supposed to be a keyboard there to enter the pairing code but it doesn't show http://imgur.com/Z6UceLw
Nov 13 19:43:19 <ChrisUK> to be honest w2ith you I am starting to like the android sdk alot more than I did at the start
Nov 13 19:43:34 <Ashiren> no wai
Nov 13 19:43:43 <Ashiren> nobody likes android sdk
Nov 13 19:43:51 <Ashiren> its all about tolerance
Nov 13 19:45:00 <ChrisUK> well it has some pretty nice ideas imo
Nov 13 19:45:37 <Ashiren> :o
Nov 13 19:45:40 <Ashiren> good for you
Nov 13 19:46:52 <platzhirsch> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7xMdD.png is this the new Material Design reload animation for SwipeRefreshLayout?
Nov 13 19:46:54 <success> /canvas.drawBitmap( background, null, backgroundRect, null );
Nov 13 19:46:54 <success> <success>         backgroundDrawable.draw( canvas );
Nov 13 19:46:54 <success> * krgn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
Nov 13 19:46:54 <success> <success> is there a big speed difference in those calls?
Nov 13 19:48:11 <SimonVT> success: Please use pastebin
Nov 13 19:48:16 <SimonVT> Don't spam
Nov 13 19:48:30 <success> if using canvas, how can I optimize the drawing of bitmaps? turn them into some thing Drawable? make them of a certain size (does power of 2 matter anymore?)?
Nov 13 19:52:02 <SimonVT> Make them as small as possible
Nov 13 19:52:33 <SimonVT> BitmapDrawable just calls Canvas#drawBitmap as well
Nov 13 19:58:14 <And_prog_desaste> success:  preload the images
Nov 13 19:58:47 <And_prog_desaste> i do games and you can get 40fps within 40 bitmaps moving on canvas
Nov 13 19:59:55 <success> And_prog_desaste, I have 50-55 FPS on a Samsung S4 mini but I want it on weaker phones as well. I have background bitmap and then maximum 12 smaller ones
Nov 13 20:00:02 <success>  i already preload them
Nov 13 20:00:19 <And_prog_desaste> scale them down
Nov 13 20:00:30 <success> http://lpaste.net/114257
Nov 13 20:00:43 <success> the getDirtyRect is not so clean
Nov 13 20:00:53 <success> but the render and constructor are
Nov 13 20:01:41 <success> And_prog_desaste, should I load it into a bitmapDrawable instead?
Nov 13 20:01:51 <And_prog_desaste> add a getscaledbitmap that returns a scaled
Nov 13 20:01:55 <success> what phone did you use to get 40 FPS?
Nov 13 20:02:13 <And_prog_desaste> i work only on china tablets
Nov 13 20:02:24 <And_prog_desaste> and its arcade repliks
Nov 13 20:02:26 <success> so powerful devices?
Nov 13 20:02:31 <And_prog_desaste> no
Nov 13 20:02:46 <And_prog_desaste> i work wit 30fps max in tread
Nov 13 20:02:56 <success> ok
Nov 13 20:03:01 <success> how should I scale it?
Nov 13 20:03:23 <And_prog_desaste> wait i give you a paste
Nov 13 20:04:55 <And_prog_desaste> success: http://pastebin.com/UL2kmPK2
Nov 13 20:05:03 <success> ty
Nov 13 20:07:29 <And_prog_desaste> success:  in games it i better to use classes for objekts an Lists to store
Nov 13 20:07:55 <success> ?
Nov 13 20:08:18 <success> it is a microoptimization attempt for sure but arrays are faster to loop over than lists
Nov 13 20:08:33 <success> and classes for objects? what do you mean?
Nov 13 20:08:34 <And_prog_desaste> the class Ball in your case got a Method that returns the balls Rect
Nov 13 20:08:45 <success> is it opengl or graphics matrix you use?
Nov 13 20:09:03 <And_prog_desaste> grafics
Nov 13 20:10:15 <And_prog_desaste> let me past a Enemy class to get it more clear
Nov 13 20:10:51 <And_prog_desaste> or maybe a player woudt be better
Nov 13 20:11:36 <success> ty
Nov 13 20:12:42 <And_prog_desaste> http://pastebin.com/25SznL9U
Nov 13 20:13:35 <And_prog_desaste> this gives you a player that look different on every direction with in my case 3 picture animations
Nov 13 20:15:10 <And_prog_desaste> Sprite animation is the goal
Nov 13 20:16:18 <And_prog_desaste> success:  do you get it
Nov 13 20:17:16 <And_prog_desaste> left right up down direction of the player  and 3 animations as FPS  divider
Nov 13 20:17:33 <And_prog_desaste> ok its late in germany i need to go  BYE
Nov 13 20:21:35 <success> ty bye
Nov 13 20:21:39 <success> im looking at it now
Nov 13 20:26:36 <Ravenheart> is there a way to turn off code completion in android studio
Nov 13 20:26:49 <Ravenheart> specifically closing " and ) and }
Nov 13 20:31:35 <success> if your gameloop, updatGame+drawGame, is faster than 60 fps, will the drawGame method be waiting then because the screen cant draw faster?
Nov 13 20:32:09 <Afzal> lol build flavours messes up big time when you have a wear app and a phone app
Nov 13 20:32:11 <Afzal> >_<
Nov 13 20:32:11 <success> so by timing updateGame+drawGame it can never be faster than 16-17ms?
Nov 13 20:32:18 <Afzal> packages the wrong wear app in the main apt
Nov 13 20:33:10 <Ashiren> success: depends on vsync
Nov 13 20:33:21 <Ashiren> mostly its 60 fps so yeah, 16.67 ms
Nov 13 20:35:39 <shekibobo> has anyone else had it where AndroidStudio just kind of forgets to load your /app directory when it starts up?
Nov 13 20:37:25 <Afzal> shekibobo, millions of times
Nov 13 20:37:33 <Afzal> did you do the obvious?
Nov 13 20:37:40 <shekibobo> Afzal: reboot a million times?
Nov 13 20:37:41 <shekibobo> yes
Nov 13 20:37:46 <Afzal> lol yeah
Nov 13 20:37:55 <success> how expensive is Log.d?
Nov 13 20:38:46 <shekibobo> Afzal: do you have a more advanced fix?
Nov 13 20:39:13 <Afzal> hmm, well kinda. delete the iml files import the project using build.gradle file
Nov 13 20:40:06 <success> what happens if a sensor event is delivered before the first one has finished?
Nov 13 20:41:27 <shekibobo> huh, looks like the problem was that app/app.iml had been deleted somehow
Nov 13 20:54:21 <success> what is the memalloc ion msg about?
Nov 13 20:55:16 <success> when you do array.clone(), will that be allocated on the heap or tack? ie will it cause garbage collection or nto?
Nov 13 21:00:46 <havv> does anyone know how can I take a full resolution photo with the opencv javacameraview?
Nov 13 21:12:16 <success> can someone recommend the best engine to learn OpenGLES? I want to write my own OpenGLES abstraction to learn OpenGL so would help to have something to look at
Nov 13 21:12:26 <success> andengine and libgdx are to big
Nov 13 21:22:07 <TacticalJoke> I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I'm about to start making a Reddit app, and I'm not sure what to do about the name.  Reddit's licensing page says this:  "It is a best practice when creating an app to not include the reddit trademark in the name or icon and to be clear that the app is not made or maintained by reddit, i.e. “App for reddit” is much better than “reddit App.”"
Nov 13 21:22:14 <TacticalJoke> The thing is, so many people use naming like "Reddit Foo".
Nov 13 21:22:33 <TacticalJoke> The creator of Flow for Reddit used to call it Reddit Flow, and he said "I have been requested by the reddit licensing team to not Reddit trademarks in the name or app icon".
Nov 13 21:23:16 <TacticalJoke> I was hoping to use the "Reddit Foo" style (mainly because that sounds semi-good and makes it discoverable from Google Play searches).
Nov 13 21:23:32 <TacticalJoke> It seems that if I don't use the word "Reddit" then it won't be very discoverable from searching.
Nov 13 21:24:26 <TacticalJoke> Should I call it "Reddit Foo" and risk the app getting taken down?
Nov 13 21:24:50 <Syzygy_> I'm trying to perform a heapdump, but it fails with an exception telling me to check the log. logcat says file system is read only. which permissions do i have to change how so that I can perform the heap dump?
Nov 13 21:25:35 <Syzygy_> google tells me data/misc needs 777 permissions... not sure what that is, I can't seem to set that
Nov 13 21:27:58 <TacticalJoke> The guys behind Reddit News get away with that name and even "Reddit News Pro".
Nov 13 21:29:44 <g00s> why would google keyboard need Identity permission ?
Nov 13 21:30:03 <Syzygy> TacticalJoke, seems like they ask you to change it before actually taking it down, besides Foo for Reddit should be just as searchable
Nov 13 21:31:43 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking of calling it something nice-sounding (and also colour-theme defining) such as "Reddit Aqua".  "Aqua for Reddit" doesn't have the same ring, unfortunately.  :D
Nov 13 21:31:51 <TacticalJoke> Syzygy:  Is it Reddit who asks or Google?
Nov 13 21:33:46 <Syzygy> if they ask google, google will just shut you down (you might be able to just change the name, or your developer account will fall into bad standing), if they're nice (as you just claimed they are) they ask you directly to change it and decide on further action depending on your reaction
Nov 13 21:34:14 <Syzygy> or they won't enforce it at all as you said is the case for reddit news
Nov 13 21:34:34 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Nov 13 21:36:11 <Syzygy> if reddit news is not officially endorsed, you might get away with it to some degree even if they talk to google and take you down as there is a precedence - that's how copyrights get bypassed
Nov 13 21:36:35 <TacticalJoke> True.
Nov 13 21:37:02 <TacticalJoke> I guess my biggest fear is getting warnings from Google.  They sound volatile.
Nov 13 21:37:08 <Syzygy> in the end you could just write an email to them requesting endorsment :>
Nov 13 21:37:17 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I might try it.
Nov 13 21:37:58 <Syzygy> I'm not even sure if your account could fall into bad standing from that, besides as you said, reddit does not seem to go for the instant shutdown approach
Nov 13 21:38:11 <Syzygy> risk is there however
Nov 13 21:39:32 <TacticalJoke> If I have to change app name, I'll lose all reviews and so on, right?
Nov 13 21:40:03 <Syzygy> no
Nov 13 21:41:04 <Syzygy> that should not happen, as far as I'm aware you can just change it as long as your signing key and the package name stays the same
Nov 13 21:41:16 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Nov 13 21:41:21 <Syzygy> otherwise we're fucked since we're going through a slight rebranding right now
Nov 13 21:41:44 <TacticalJoke> Are you doing it for legal reasons?  Just curious.  :)
Nov 13 21:41:56 <Syzygy> no :>
Nov 13 21:42:41 <Syzygy> we would lose 1800 reviews with an average rating of 4.6
Nov 13 21:42:42 <TacticalJoke> Under "Web or Mobile Application", it states "This policy is still being thoroughly defined. Stay tuned for this to be updated more in the coming months. We’re pretty open here as well but are very cognizant of the use of the reddit trademark."
Nov 13 21:42:47 <TacticalJoke> Sounds like they're not too strict.
Nov 13 21:42:49 <Syzygy> I thought we had more reviews D:
Nov 13 21:43:06 <TacticalJoke> 4.6 is good.
Nov 13 21:43:15 <TacticalJoke> This is the page I'm talking about, BTW: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/licensing
Nov 13 21:43:46 <TacticalJoke> That page was last changed a year ago.
Nov 13 21:44:24 <Syzygy> 10.000-50.000 installs, any idea if the 1800 ratings is a good ratio for that?
Nov 13 21:44:30 <g00s> wow, 'this app requires os x 10.10" man apple devs have it so easy
Nov 13 21:46:59 <Narzew> Hi. Where I can store text files to load with Android app ? res/txt will be good choice ?
Nov 13 21:47:15 <StingRay_> anyone run AS on Yosemite with more than 2 monitors ?
Nov 13 21:47:34 <Syzygy> Narzew, usually in res/values/strings.xml
Nov 13 21:48:22 <Narzew> It's not that values.
Nov 13 21:48:37 <StingRay_> raw/
Nov 13 21:48:43 <Narzew> It's about 600 files that I will load from Android app
Nov 13 21:48:54 <Narzew> Can I create directories in raw catalog ?
Nov 13 21:49:12 <StingRay_> no
Nov 13 21:49:23 <Syzygy> I'm not aware of any limitations on the number or length of strings
Nov 13 21:51:34 <StingRay_> Narzew sounds like a db would be better if you need to mutate and structure though
Nov 13 21:55:20 <Narzew> StingRay_ not really
Nov 13 21:55:44 <Narzew> I am making a timetable app. I want to store timetables for each day for each class for each school
Nov 13 21:56:00 <Narzew> for ex. School1/1A1.txt School1/1A2.txt etc.
Nov 13 21:56:03 <StingRay_> how is that NOT 100% a database ?
Nov 13 21:56:11 <StingRay_> lol
Nov 13 21:56:23 <Narzew> Wrong decision ?
Nov 13 21:56:41 <Narzew> Ruby script generates that format to me :) I am just loading what I have generated
Nov 13 21:56:42 <StingRay_> not if your plan is to be one of the 0.001%'ers
Nov 13 21:56:47 <JacobTabak> ok hi
Nov 13 21:57:20 <JacobTabak> custom view - if you extend linearlayout, use <merge> in the .xml file, i know there's a tools: attribute to preview it correctly. do you need to create an empty xml file that has a linearlayout it in to get the preview to work correctLy?
Nov 13 21:57:35 <Narzew> I made my school and 10 others already
Nov 13 21:59:29 <JacobTabak> this is what im talking about btw https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=61652  http://tools.android.com/recent/androidstudio058released
Nov 13 22:00:43 <StingRay_> Narzew you could have made thousands, doesn't alter the fact that the functional design of what you plan fits best with a SQLite database
Nov 13 22:06:00 <Syzygy> so any idea what i have to do to make my heap dump not crash anymore? right now the file system seems to be read only, i'm not entirley sure how to change it
Nov 13 22:06:04 <g00s> http://commonsware.com/presos/sdc2014
Nov 13 22:06:05 <TacticalJoke> I did more research: turns out that the Reddit Flow guy contacted Reddit.  That's when they asked him not to use the name.
Nov 13 22:06:12 <g00s> pretty decent overview
Nov 13 22:06:40 <g00s> i'd like somebody to write a book and go much further with all this stuff
Nov 13 22:07:52 <Thete> Anyone here using android studio on mac?
Nov 13 22:08:00 <g00s> i do
Nov 13 22:08:12 <Narzew> What is that widget ?
Nov 13 22:08:13 <Narzew> https://lh4.ggpht.com/Mv9xm_9jn9yGbATBZ08tVaoa-EHKrPb96uJqwbzY2UDXSHKMpYi4a_SjLFxt1-H_s3A=h900
Nov 13 22:08:15 <Thete> I just downloaded the latest version from the web, but there is no SDK in it
Nov 13 22:08:22 <Thete> and the SDK manager is greyed out
Nov 13 22:08:24 <g00s> yes, that is good
Nov 13 22:08:25 <Narzew> It's scrollable 5-screen with Tables ?
Nov 13 22:08:45 <g00s> go download the sdk
Nov 13 22:09:05 <Thete> That a separate download now?
Nov 13 22:09:15 <g00s> it was always a separate dl
Nov 13 22:09:23 <g00s> just that they also stopped bundling it with AS
Nov 13 22:09:27 <Thete> ahh
Nov 13 22:09:40 <Narzew> Know anyone Android Designer that will run on crap-pc ? (Eclipse don't run, Android Studio don't run). I'm tired of entreing layouts manually
Nov 13 22:10:01 <g00s> crap-pc ?
Nov 13 22:10:18 <g00s> i have a crap-mac :)
Nov 13 22:10:22 <TacticalJoke> So renaming an app on Google Play is as simple as updating settings, right?
Nov 13 22:10:29 <TacticalJoke> Just entering a new name.
Nov 13 22:10:39 <TacticalJoke> Google doesn't have much to say about this, strangely
Nov 13 22:10:40 <TacticalJoke> .
Nov 13 22:11:00 <Narzew> g00s: which year made ?
Nov 13 22:11:27 <Narzew> g00s: my computer is really crappy. It still use DDR ram. (Not DDR-2 and not DDR-3)
Nov 13 22:12:06 <Syzygy> TacticalJoke, as far as I know you just need to change it in the manifest
Nov 13 22:12:54 <Syzygy> Narzew, most people here seem to prefer writing layouts by hand and just using a preview tool (like provided by android studio for example) to confirm and adjust what they're writing
Nov 13 22:14:59 <Narzew> Syzygy: yes I agree. But I want this preview without starting emulator or app
Nov 13 22:15:21 <TacticalJoke> Narzew:  Did you say you're not using an IDE at all?
Nov 13 22:15:27 <TacticalJoke> Or were you referring to the layout thing.
Nov 13 22:16:01 <Narzew> I use Geany. Other IDE's run too slow (lag in the menu section for example). I compile code from terminal
Nov 13 22:16:17 <TacticalJoke> That doesn't sound fun.
Nov 13 22:16:19 <Thete> g00s: Thank you
Nov 13 22:16:26 <TacticalJoke> The best solution is to buy a new PC.
Nov 13 22:16:39 <TacticalJoke> If you can financially justify that.
Nov 13 22:17:55 <Narzew> TacticalJoke: I have poor chances for getting new PC
Nov 13 22:18:12 <Narzew> Btw, sorry for my bad English. I am learning it.
Nov 13 22:19:20 <Narzew> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10360250_710335235710568_5080215687176013043_n.png?oh=d101f16190c846528a318ed964e9a85c&oe=54DB18C1 my workspace
Nov 13 22:20:00 <Syzygy> NDK is more performant for image processing?
Nov 13 22:22:06 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing that naming an app Keyword Whatever is better than naming it Whatever Keyword with regard to Google Play search results for Keyword, right?
Nov 13 22:22:07 <Syzygy> g00s, thanks for that link, but it didn't really help with my problem of not being able to dump the heap (it did however give me a lot of usefull information for why i want to dump my heap in the first place)
Nov 13 22:22:19 <g00s> Syzygy oh i just threw that link out there !
Nov 13 22:22:25 <Syzygy> oh
Nov 13 22:22:28 <g00s> sorry, it wasn't for you XD
Nov 13 22:22:33 <g00s> everybody except Syzygy
Nov 13 22:22:35 <Syzygy> ah well, still usefull
Nov 13 22:22:38 <Syzygy> D:
Nov 13 22:22:48 <Syzygy> is 2mb a large or small allocation?
Nov 13 22:22:53 <g00s> large
Nov 13 22:23:26 <g00s> Narzew would a chromebook with cruoton be better ?
Nov 13 22:23:38 <Syzygy> I still believe it's more of a problem with heap exhaustion rather than heap fragmentation
Nov 13 22:24:28 <StingRay_> anyone run AS on Yosemite on 3+ monitors ?
Nov 13 22:24:59 <Narzew> g00s: I don't have tried chromebook
Nov 13 22:25:00 <Syzygy> what kind of resolution is that Narzew? 960x768?
Nov 13 22:25:06 <Narzew> 1280x1024
Nov 13 22:25:09 <TacticalJoke> What sounds better to you guys: Reddit Aqua or Aqua Reddit?
Nov 13 22:25:27 <TacticalJoke> I know neither sounds amazing (I kinda hate the word "Reddit").
Nov 13 22:27:04 <pieces029> TacticalJoke: second 1
Nov 13 22:27:25 <pieces029> Are you updating the reddit app you have on github?
Nov 13 22:27:47 <TacticalJoke> I'll be hosting it on Bitbucket.  Haven't started it yet.
Nov 13 22:27:48 <stenosis> wow, someone build a android5 lrx21o version with ble peripheral mode reactivated for the n5: https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/detail?id=1570#c43
Nov 13 22:28:05 <Syzygy> TacticalJoke, since you want to use an app named after a color theme, you might want to consider red instead of blue :>
Nov 13 22:28:27 <TacticalJoke> Syzygy:  Haha.  I considered that, but there are apps like that already (e.g., RedReader).
Nov 13 22:28:30 <pieces029> Oh it's JacobTabak that I was thinking of, the T and J's throw me off.
Nov 13 22:28:35 <TacticalJoke> I also am not a huge fan of red.  :)
Nov 13 22:28:39 <JacobTabak> hi
Nov 13 22:28:41 <pieces029> He has cakeday
Nov 13 22:28:44 <JacobTabak> and ironically
Nov 13 22:28:50 <JacobTabak> i didn't see you ping him because i have references to him ignore
Nov 13 22:28:51 <JacobTabak> lol
Nov 13 22:28:57 <pieces029> haha
Nov 13 22:29:06 * TacticalJoke rolls eyes
Nov 13 22:29:10 <JacobTabak> i'm not planning on doing anything in particular with it
Nov 13 22:29:23 <JacobTabak> but im sure i'd fix something if someone made an issue
Nov 13 22:29:29 <JacobTabak> but i mean
Nov 13 22:29:35 <JacobTabak> i can't imagine anyone would use it
Nov 13 22:29:46 <JacobTabak> was just a fun litlte project
Nov 13 22:29:47 <pieces029> Oh no TacticalJoke was taking about a reddit app, and I though it was that one, I get you 2 mixed up
Nov 13 22:33:33 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether "Aqua Reddit" would be lower on the list than "Reddit Aqua" when searching for "Reddit".
Nov 13 22:33:42 <TacticalJoke> In Google Play.
Nov 13 22:34:14 <TacticalJoke> It's strange that there appears to be almost no documentation regarding this.
Nov 13 22:34:27 <Syzygy> still looking for a way to change my file system (specifically wherever dumpHprofData() saves) from read only to read/write D:
Nov 13 22:34:54 <bankai_au> g00s: you'd think i'd be used to it, but i still type things like BehaviourSubject and wonder wtf it's not working ... American spelling, bankai_au ...
Nov 13 22:35:01 <TacticalJoke> I know that in Google Search the leftmost terms get higher priority.
Nov 13 22:35:12 <Syzygy> TacticalJoke, I assume the actual ranking is not based on name, but rather on relevance
Nov 13 22:35:25 <g00s> :D
Nov 13 22:37:45 <TacticalJoke> Maybe.  Their app is called "Ask Me Anything - reddit AMA", and it's very high in the list when I search for "Reddit".
Nov 13 22:37:54 <TacticalJoke> (Actually, "reddit".)
Nov 13 22:39:43 <TacticalJoke> That search appears to be case sensitive.  Searching for "Reddit" gives different results than searching for "reddit".  Kinda surprised by that.
Nov 13 22:39:49 <TacticalJoke> Not hugely different, though.
Nov 13 22:41:44 <Syzygy> why is it based on name anyway? wouldn't it be smarter to be based on relevance? I remember looking for things and not even getting anything with my search term in the title
Nov 13 22:42:23 <TacticalJoke> I think I read that they prioritize the name, which makes sense to a degree.
Nov 13 22:42:35 <TacticalJoke> But, yeah, other stuff should also be a big factor.
Nov 13 22:46:18 <TacticalJoke> I'm live-editing the results page to see what would look good.  :D
Nov 13 22:46:21 <TacticalJoke> The HTML.
Nov 13 22:47:09 <bankai_au> i swear my gradle builds get slower every day :(
Nov 13 22:47:33 <Syzygy> it takes either ~1:20 or 3:something for me
Nov 13 22:47:40 <TacticalJoke> God, that's slow.
Nov 13 22:47:57 <TacticalJoke> I love the idea of Gradle.  The speed, however...
Nov 13 22:50:14 <Mattx> hey guys, if I have a tablet in portrait mode, a layout in layout/ and the same layout in layout-sw600dp-land/
Nov 13 22:50:18 <Mattx> which one will android use?
Nov 13 22:50:20 <TacticalJoke> "Gradle" is an anagram of "Le Drag" (or "El Drag").
Nov 13 22:51:18 <Thorbear> Depending on your configuration, it could be faster than Maven
Nov 13 22:51:20 <felgenh3> lol
Nov 13 22:51:41 <Mattx> any idea? is there any other channel for android dev?
Nov 13 22:52:16 <TacticalJoke> Mattx:  "land" is for landscape, right?  So I don't see why it'd use that in portrait mode.
Nov 13 22:52:31 <Mattx> ok, that's what I thought, but!
Nov 13 22:52:54 <Mattx> in this layout I have a GridView with numColumns="1" in layout/ and numColumns="2" in layout-sw600dp-land/
Nov 13 22:53:03 <Mattx> and somehow the grid layout in portrait has two columns
Nov 13 22:53:35 <Mattx> TacticalJoke, does it make sense? I don't know what the problem is
Nov 13 22:53:45 <Syzygy> use ddms and make a hierarchy screenshot or however it's called. check the IDs and stuff like that
Nov 13 22:54:00 <Syzygy> @Matt
Nov 13 22:54:03 <Syzygy> Mattx,
Nov 13 22:54:07 <Mattx> hmn, interesting
Nov 13 22:54:10 <Mattx> how do you do that? ddms?
Nov 13 22:54:13 <Mattx> first time I heard about it
Nov 13 22:54:19 <Syzygy> are you using android studio?
Nov 13 22:54:21 <Mattx> yep
Nov 13 22:54:28 <Syzygy> android device monitor
Nov 13 22:54:39 <Syzygy> the button is to the right of the sdk manager button
Nov 13 22:55:13 <Mattx> cool, let me see
Nov 13 23:00:33 <Mattx> ok, Im there but I dont see from which layout every view come
Nov 13 23:00:49 <Mattx> Syzygy, not even the id of them
Nov 13 23:02:04 <Syzygy> when you mouseover and click it you can check the ID to the right
Nov 13 23:06:19 <Mattx> Syzygy, I dont know what version you have, but here it doesn't provide much information, http://i.imgur.com/oV79KjF.png
Nov 13 23:09:00 <Syzygy> I have a resource-id row there which displays the ID for UI elements that actually have an id
Nov 13 23:09:46 <Mattx> weird
Nov 13 23:14:56 <success> wow, libgdx seems amazing
Nov 13 23:15:03 <success> so easy to get going
Nov 13 23:23:41 <Afzal> lol I'm installing my app from the Play Store and somehow it's installing the apk that I last installed for debugging
Nov 13 23:23:47 <Afzal> How is that even possible?!
Nov 13 23:24:51 <Syzygy> http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/2.0/dalvik/docs/heap-profiling.html so according to this i should do chmod 777 /data/misc
Nov 13 23:25:48 <Syzygy> but I'm doing that and I get the error:  "unable to open /data/misc: is a directory"
Nov 13 23:31:29 <Syzygy> why isn't that working -.-
Nov 13 23:35:54 <Afzal> my phone's gone nuts
Nov 13 23:36:02 <Afzal> installing apps which don't exist :/
Nov 13 23:36:47 <Afzal> Syzygy, wouldn't you need root to do that?
Nov 13 23:37:13 <Syzygy> the error i'm getting doesn't seem to imply that
Nov 13 23:38:12 <Syzygy> anyway, how would I get root through the console?
Nov 13 23:40:52 <TacticalJoke> I want to add a spinner to an ActionBar.  I see that setNavigationMode is now deprecated.  Is there a way to do this that doesn't involve using Toolbar?  (I don't want to use Toolbar *yet*; I want to wait till it's more mature {in terms of bug fixes and documentation}.)
Nov 13 23:42:07 <TacticalJoke> Otherwise I'll just suppress the deprecation warning.
Nov 13 23:42:58 <TacticalJoke> (Of course, I will be updating to Toolbar someday.  Just not today. :)
Nov 13 23:43:54 <Syzygy> not today usually means never
Nov 13 23:44:40 <TacticalJoke> Not in this case.  I'm wanting to use Toolbar.
Nov 13 23:44:50 <TacticalJoke> I think it would be a mistake for me to use it right now, though.
Nov 13 23:45:12 <TacticalJoke> The documentation, from what I've seen, amounts to very, very little.
Nov 13 23:45:22 <TacticalJoke> Anyway, I guess there's no alternative.  I'll just suppress warnings for the time being.
Nov 13 23:55:47 <pBlack> Question, for In app billing, where is my apps public key?
Nov 13 23:55:52 <pBlack> Is it in the developer console somewhere?
Nov 14 00:02:45 <TacticalJoke> It's not worth using minSdkVersion=14, right?  I should use at least 15, I guess.
Nov 14 00:05:51 <danijoo_> 14 is far below 1 %
Nov 14 00:06:05 <danijoo_> so yes
Nov 14 00:06:17 <TacticalJoke> K.
Nov 14 00:10:25 <matt_j> I have... an excellent question
Nov 14 00:10:43 <matt_j> are there any editors out there that let me create selectors and drawables?
Nov 14 00:10:57 <matt_j> e.g. a rounded rect button with a pressed state
Nov 14 00:11:11 <danijoo_> I recently found one
Nov 14 00:11:16 <danijoo_> but cant remember the link :/
Nov 14 00:11:21 <matt_j> aw
Nov 14 00:11:21 <danijoo_> should be googleable thoguj
Nov 14 00:11:25 <danijoo_> tough*
Nov 14 00:24:38 <Carbon_Monoxide> Gallery has been deprecated since API Level 16. What has replaced it?
Nov 14 00:36:27 <TacticalJoke> What do you call the base theme of your app?  The "iosched" people seem to use "Theme".
Nov 14 00:36:31 <Syzygy__> how can I get super user on my phone from android studio?
Nov 14 00:37:57 <Zharf> Carbon_Monoxide, horizontalscrollview or viewpager?
Nov 14 00:38:07 <danijoo_> Im  used to "AppTheme" :)
Nov 14 00:52:21 <Syzygy> how can I give myself super user rights in my android studio terminal?
Nov 14 00:53:00 <bankai_au> same way you do with any other terminal
Nov 14 00:53:13 <Syzygy> when I type su it says permission denied
Nov 14 00:53:21 <danijoo_> Syzygy: sudo su :)
Nov 14 00:53:50 <Syzygy> sudo isn't recognized
Nov 14 00:54:09 <danijoo_> this works on mine :/
Nov 14 00:54:16 <danijoo_> no idea about your systems configuration.
Nov 14 00:54:23 <Syzygy> I assume you're not on windows then
Nov 14 00:54:28 <Carbon_Monoxide> Zharf: Thanks! I will take a look.
Nov 14 00:54:29 <danijoo_> oh lol
Nov 14 00:54:34 <danijoo_> sudo is a unix command.. :D
Nov 14 00:54:42 <Syzygy> I guess I have to restart android studio in admin mode
Nov 14 00:54:47 <danijoo_> yeah maybe..
Nov 14 00:54:48 <Zharf> you want 'su'
Nov 14 00:55:00 <Zharf> if it's installed...
Nov 14 00:56:16 <Zharf> mm, or did you just want a regular terminal running on your computer as a super user? not on the actual android device? :)
Nov 14 00:56:34 <Syzygy> no, on my android device
Nov 14 00:56:42 <Syzygy> su is installed, however the permission is denied
Nov 14 00:56:52 <danijoo_> ooh
Nov 14 00:56:56 <Zharf> well you need to have the device rooted
Nov 14 00:56:57 <danijoo_> then you dont have root
Nov 14 00:57:46 <Syzygy> my device is rooted
Nov 14 00:58:06 <Syzygy> not sure how I can give my AS terminal root rights however
Nov 14 00:58:25 <danijoo_> Syzygy: your terminal dont need root to execute root commands on your device
Nov 14 00:58:34 <Syzygy> still, permission denied
Nov 14 00:58:44 <danijoo_> that really sounds like an unrooted device
Nov 14 00:59:30 <Syzygy> i'm on cyanogenmod, don't think that's possible without rooting
Nov 14 00:59:39 <danijoo_> sure it is
Nov 14 00:59:43 <Zharf> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/70155/adb-shell-su-permission-denied
Nov 14 01:00:14 <danijoo_> *off to sleep*
Nov 14 01:00:45 <Syzygy> thanks Zharf, looks like a good lead
Nov 14 01:01:55 <Syzygy> yep, that worked, thanks
Nov 14 01:02:34 <Zharf> back to making music... if my computer would stop freezing every five minutes...
Nov 14 01:10:57 <Syzygy> am I really to stupid to do a heap dump? I'm stuck at this for hours
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Nov 14 01:23:57 <rsv> I am trying to compile ics android on ubuntu 14.04 (64 bit machine). I keep getting the error: : Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details. Note:
Nov 14 01:24:07 <rsv> Has anyone tried this setup before
Nov 14 01:52:08 <JacobTabak> all i see is people coming and going
Nov 14 01:52:13 <JacobTabak> someone talk about something interesting while my app is rebuilding
Nov 14 01:54:19 <csst0111> I guess everyone is on #devoxx :P
Nov 14 01:56:50 <Afzal> no, I'm just building my app for release :D
Nov 14 01:56:52 <Afzal> what's ip?
Nov 14 01:57:00 <JacobTabak> intellectual propertY/
Nov 14 01:57:06 <Afzal> up*
Nov 14 01:57:17 <JacobTabak> i'm really excited
Nov 14 01:57:22 <JacobTabak> getting close to a huge release
Nov 14 01:57:27 <Afzal> JacobTabak, well here's something interesting. My Nexus 5 installs the old version of the wear app to the watch EVERY TIME >_<
Nov 14 01:57:38 <JacobTabak> do you have lollipop?
Nov 14 01:57:40 <Afzal> I hate little bugs close to a release
Nov 14 01:57:41 <Afzal> yeah
Nov 14 01:57:52 <Afzal> I still happen to have lollipop preview-2
Nov 14 01:58:00 <JacobTabak> maybe thats why?
Nov 14 01:58:13 <Afzal> probably, it's okay since I figured out that it was only my phone :)
Nov 14 01:58:27 <JacobTabak> oh god
Nov 14 01:58:32 <JacobTabak> i need to change the casing of a file in git.
Nov 14 01:58:35 <JacobTabak> on my mac.
Nov 14 01:58:36 <JacobTabak> halp.
Nov 14 01:58:40 <JacobTabak> this always breaks git
Nov 14 01:59:10 <Afzal> lol must be a flag in git configs?
Nov 14 01:59:28 <JacobTabak> nah its osx
Nov 14 01:59:43 <JacobTabak> because of the way os handles casing
Nov 14 01:59:56 <JacobTabak> i think u have to rename the file, commit and push, then rename it back
Nov 14 02:00:01 <JacobTabak> with the correct casing
Nov 14 02:00:01 <JacobTabak> so dum
Nov 14 02:04:18 <Afzal> Oh right, case insensitive os x
Nov 14 02:04:31 <JacobTabak> one of the worst decisions
Nov 14 02:04:41 <JacobTabak> i wonder who had that idea
Nov 14 02:04:52 <Afzal> every time, I wonder why I choose case insensitive when formatting my drive. There's a case sensitive HFS+ partition format as well
Nov 14 02:06:25 <JacobTabak> ok this is a stupid question
Nov 14 02:06:31 <JacobTabak> but i promise i've tried
Nov 14 02:06:55 <JacobTabak> in intellij/AS, where is the setting that determines where a new method is added? for example if you type myMethod(); the text is red, hit alt-enter to create the method
Nov 14 02:07:12 <JacobTabak> sorry, fields*
Nov 14 02:07:18 <JacobTabak> recently my fields have been added at the bottom
Nov 14 02:07:30 <JacobTabak> and i mean i looked in the logical places
Nov 14 02:07:34 <Afzal> JacobTabak, for me, it asks where to create in which class, anonymous, current or parent
Nov 14 02:07:43 <JacobTabak> i jsut mean like
Nov 14 02:07:45 <JacobTabak> literally
Nov 14 02:07:48 <JacobTabak> at the top or the bottom of the class
Nov 14 02:08:03 <Afzal> Oh, didn't know there was such an option.
Nov 14 02:08:07 <JacobTabak> yeah me neither
Nov 14 02:08:10 <JacobTabak> its ALWAYS been at the top for me
Nov 14 02:08:25 <JacobTabak> like if type MY_VAR = 12;
Nov 14 02:08:30 <JacobTabak> hit alt-enter, and make a field
Nov 14 02:08:39 <JacobTabak> but now its going to the bottom.
Nov 14 02:09:06 <JacobTabak> In preferences -> code style -> java, in the Code Generation tab, I ahve the 'order of members' set correctly
Nov 14 02:09:30 <JacobTabak> its just being ignored...
Nov 14 02:09:34 <Afzal> JacobTabak, try the arrangement tab
Nov 14 02:09:54 <JacobTabak> doesnt look like theres anything in htere that would help me
Nov 14 02:10:03 <JacobTabak> if you can find out how to make it do the opposite of what its doing now, i will reward you with eternal glory
Nov 14 02:13:34 <Afzal> nope, tried changing those, didn't work
Nov 14 02:13:46 <Afzal> well, does it at the top most of the time for me :D
Nov 14 02:14:23 <JacobTabak> =\ thx for trying
Nov 14 02:17:02 <mattblang_> JacobTabak (got GCM working btw.  I was the one asking about WebSockets in a Service the other day)
Nov 14 02:19:10 <mattblang_> So I'm using an IntentService to handle an incoming GCM message (like the official GCM example).  it is working great.  the problem is, I am wanting to send something to a Wearable, which requires connecting asynchronously.  Will connecting everytime a message comes in, rather than staying connected, use up more battery?
Nov 14 02:24:11 <JacobTabak> https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/wearable/MessageApi.html
Nov 14 02:38:50 <g00s> botched http://phandroid.com/2014/11/13/latest-nexus-9-update-is-giving-everyone-error-message/
Nov 14 02:38:57 <JacobTabak> oh boy
Nov 14 02:39:12 <JacobTabak> in recovery?
Nov 14 02:39:32 <g00s> i guess it reverts itself back to the previous image so ultimately no problem
Nov 14 02:40:21 <g00s> good news , i got play books (material version) today and its very nice
Nov 14 02:40:34 <JacobTabak> nice
Nov 14 02:40:37 <JacobTabak> do you read on your android?
Nov 14 02:40:40 <g00s> pretty much the only app i use beside FF / chrome :P
Nov 14 02:40:46 <g00s> JacobTabak yeah, lots
Nov 14 02:40:55 <JacobTabak> where are you when you typically read
Nov 14 02:41:05 <g00s> kindle + play books. sitting in a comfy chair
Nov 14 02:41:16 <g00s> or a bench on the trail sometimes
Nov 14 02:41:33 <JacobTabak> i think im envious
Nov 14 02:42:17 <JacobTabak> im sitting on a computer 16 hrs a day
Nov 14 02:42:29 <g00s> which was fitting, because i was reading a book on ecopsychology
Nov 14 02:42:41 <JacobTabak> i can't say no to people. ughhh
Nov 14 02:42:48 <JacobTabak> including myself
Nov 14 02:43:02 <JacobTabak> how do you name methods that create observables?
Nov 14 02:43:08 <g00s> getX
Nov 14 02:43:13 <g00s> heh
Nov 14 02:43:17 <JacobTabak> is that the standard?
Nov 14 02:43:21 <JacobTabak> have you put much thought into it
Nov 14 02:43:40 <g00s> you mean like, TacticalJoke level thought into it ?
Nov 14 02:43:43 <JacobTabak> so basically you name it like any other method
Nov 14 02:44:11 <g00s> yeah. its returning a value, except the value changes over time
Nov 14 02:44:52 <JacobTabak> ehhh
Nov 14 02:44:56 <JacobTabak> its not returning a value though
Nov 14 02:45:03 <JacobTabak> its emitting it after some unpredictable amount of time
Nov 14 02:45:27 <g00s> yeah. its returning a value :D eventually
Nov 14 02:45:31 <JacobTabak> maybe...
Nov 14 02:45:36 <JacobTabak> maybe its not doing anything
Nov 14 02:45:45 <JacobTabak> maybe its calling while(true) Thread.sleep(1000);
Nov 14 02:45:49 <g00s> i thought this was pretty instructive https://github.com/mcharmas/Android-ReactiveLocation/tree/master/android-reactive-location/src/main/java/pl/charmas/android/reactivelocation
Nov 14 02:46:01 <JacobTabak> oh fuck i just wrote one of those
Nov 14 02:46:19 <g00s> getLastKnownLocation
Nov 14 02:46:54 <g00s> but if there are guidelines on naming these, I haven't seen them.
Nov 14 02:47:04 <JacobTabak> it just bugs me when you have 2 methods
Nov 14 02:47:11 <JacobTabak> one of them returns an observable and the other an actual return value
Nov 14 02:47:14 <JacobTabak> and they have the same naming convention
Nov 14 02:47:28 <JacobTabak> the name of the method should indicate what its going to return...
Nov 14 02:47:40 <JacobTabak> and getXObservable is way to verbose
Nov 14 02:47:56 <JacobTabak> maybe observeGetX
Nov 14 02:48:01 <JacobTabak> or observeX
Nov 14 02:48:06 <JacobTabak> hm
Nov 14 02:48:40 <g00s> isn't that the point though ? when you get an obeservable you don't know if its synchronous, async, what threads are doing what , etc
Nov 14 02:48:51 <JacobTabak> get implies synchronous though
Nov 14 02:48:53 <g00s> you just obey the contract
Nov 14 02:49:27 <JacobTabak> i love this reactivelocation
Nov 14 02:49:35 <JacobTabak> i wasted so many hours writing this
Nov 14 02:49:37 <g00s> yeah i learned from that
Nov 14 02:49:42 <g00s> pretty simple
Nov 14 02:49:45 <JacobTabak> what specifically did you learn?
Nov 14 02:49:49 <JacobTabak> (what can i learn)
Nov 14 02:50:41 <g00s> i really couldn't figure out initially, how to create a cold observable that didn't just 'fall through' in the call() method. their example creates a listener which then emits things
Nov 14 02:51:01 <JacobTabak> i see
Nov 14 02:51:03 <JacobTabak> yeah ive never done that
Nov 14 02:51:19 <JacobTabak> so the observable sticks around because of a hard reference with the listener
Nov 14 02:51:47 <g00s> yeah
Nov 14 02:52:10 <JacobTabak> yea my implementation just got last known location
Nov 14 02:52:17 <JacobTabak> i was thinking long and hard about how to do it like this
Nov 14 02:52:20 <JacobTabak> but i didn't need to
Nov 14 02:52:25 <JacobTabak> so i didn't actually do it
Nov 14 02:52:27 <Syzygy__> I'm getting a CursorWindowAllocationException, however I can not catch that exception. any idea why?
Nov 14 02:52:38 <JacobTabak> allocation? memory probleM?
Nov 14 02:52:38 <Syzygy__> it isn't recognized by android studio
Nov 14 02:52:44 <g00s> Syzygy__ oh no, thats not a good one
Nov 14 02:52:45 <JacobTabak> pastebin the entire stack trace
Nov 14 02:52:58 <g00s> Syzygy__ are you using blobs ?
Nov 14 02:53:16 <Syzygy__> g00s, it happens on accessing the user table
Nov 14 02:54:05 <Syzygy__> give me a second to pastebin it
Nov 14 02:54:08 <g00s> could it be your memory is fragmented enough that contiguous 1mb couldn't be grabbed?
Nov 14 02:55:56 <Syzygy__> http://pastebin.com/86ySYiLf
Nov 14 02:55:59 <Syzygy__> 2mb apperently
Nov 14 02:56:05 <Syzygy__> I guess it would explain it.
Nov 14 02:56:34 <Syzygy__> I've been trying to do a heap dump, for hours now without success
Nov 14 02:56:38 <JacobTabak> uhhh
Nov 14 02:56:42 <JacobTabak> hmm
Nov 14 02:56:43 <Syzygy__> I might add that this happens very rarely
Nov 14 02:56:59 <JacobTabak> you probably have big memory problems
Nov 14 02:56:59 <Syzygy__> and hasn't happened "here", only with some of my users
Nov 14 02:57:02 <JacobTabak> use the memory monitor in AS
Nov 14 02:57:15 <JacobTabak> see when it spikes
Nov 14 02:57:43 <JacobTabak> seems very strange to wait until an animation completes to perform a database query
Nov 14 02:57:58 <JacobTabak> why not do the action right when the button is clicked?
Nov 14 02:58:11 <JacobTabak> also
Nov 14 02:58:14 <JacobTabak> you're doing DB on the UI thread
Nov 14 02:58:16 <JacobTabak> that's a no-no
Nov 14 02:59:43 <Syzygy__> I didn't write this. As far as I can tell it's just accessing the user/db to send a notification to our backend
Nov 14 02:59:55 <JacobTabak> it's doing it on the ui thread when an animation completes
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