**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 11 02:59:58 2014
Dec 11 03:00:10 <mellow0324> values/styles.xml:7: error: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light'.
Dec 11 03:00:30 <TacticalJoke> I guess you'd need to import support-v7 to use that.
Dec 11 03:00:43 <TacticalJoke> AppCompat is from the support library.
Dec 11 03:00:55 <TacticalJoke> If you change it to Theme.Holo.Light, it should work.
Dec 11 03:01:27 <TacticalJoke> I don't understand why the wizard is generating a project that depends on a non-imported support library, though.
Dec 11 03:01:56 <mellow0324> no dice
Dec 11 03:02:18 <mellow0324> android was going so well for me until now
Dec 11 03:02:49 <TacticalJoke> You changed it to [parent="@android:style/Theme.Holo.Light"] and it's still saying "Error retrieving parent ..."?
Dec 11 03:04:56 <mellow0324> saying @android:style/Theme.Holo.Light gives a squiggly line
Dec 11 03:05:15 <mellow0324> but Theme.Holo.Light just gives the red X on the side
Dec 11 03:05:33 <lasserix_> melow
Dec 11 03:05:35 <lasserix_> @style prefix
Dec 11 03:05:54 <lasserix_> also dont use eclipse
Dec 11 03:06:01 <lasserix_> doesn't support AAR
Dec 11 03:06:03 <mellow0324> <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light">
Dec 11 03:06:07 <lasserix_> yeah
Dec 11 03:06:10 <lasserix_> @style
Dec 11 03:06:13 <lasserix_> you need the prefix
Dec 11 03:06:18 <lasserix_> if you are usung app compat
Dec 11 03:06:45 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  If you use [<style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Holo.Light">], what is the error message?
Dec 11 03:08:10 <mellow0324> Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar'
Dec 11 03:08:20 <mellow0324> Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light'.
Dec 11 03:08:36 <TacticalJoke> Ctrl+Shift+S and then Alt+P, N.
Dec 11 03:08:45 <mellow0324> Its the same issue in Android Studio Lasserix
Dec 11 03:08:45 <TacticalJoke> ("Save all" and then "clean project".)
Dec 11 03:08:57 <lasserix_> mellow0324: are you using app compat
Dec 11 03:08:58 <lasserix_> ?
Dec 11 03:09:12 <TacticalJoke> It sounds like you just need to clean the project.
Dec 11 03:09:22 <mellow0324> I'm using whatever the defaults are.
Dec 11 03:09:33 <mellow0324> I tried cleaning yesterday
Dec 11 03:09:34 <lasserix_> are you using app compat library for material or not?
Dec 11 03:09:42 <mellow0324> that didn't help but i'll try again
Dec 11 03:09:58 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  Please try what I said above.  Saving all and then cleaning.  If that doesn't work, post styles.xml.
Dec 11 03:10:13 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  He said it's a new project.
Dec 11 03:10:14 <lasserix_> are you including the app compat library ?
Dec 11 03:10:15 <mellow0324> I'm not using it explicitly no, I'm just building test apps for a course
Dec 11 03:10:29 <lasserix_> well
Dec 11 03:10:34 <lasserix_> if you are using Theme.AppCompat
Dec 11 03:10:38 <lasserix_> you need to include the dependency
Dec 11 03:10:42 <lasserix_> which is why it can't resolve it
Dec 11 03:11:25 <lasserix_> unless i woke up into bizarro world where logic has no place
Dec 11 03:11:30 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  I'm talking about after changing 'parent' to "@android:style/Theme.Holo.Light".
Dec 11 03:11:36 <mellow0324> TacticalJoke I'm on mac those shortcuts must be different
Dec 11 03:11:43 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  He said it's a brand-new project.  Just created.
Dec 11 03:11:54 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  File > Save All and Project > Clean.
Dec 11 03:12:01 <mellow0324> of course i tried changing ctrl to cmd
Dec 11 03:12:07 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: i understand. my point is if he is trying to reference AppCompat he obviousily need to make sure it's included as a dependency
Dec 11 03:12:39 <mellow0324> Right now. I'm just trying to use the boilerplate Hello World project
Dec 11 03:12:52 <mellow0324> without modifying anything
Dec 11 03:13:01 <lasserix_> mellow and if you are trying to use Theme.AppCompat you MUST include the dependency of the app compat
Dec 11 03:13:19 <lasserix_> that's like saying I'm extending Activity but not including the SDK and why isn't it working
Dec 11 03:14:07 <lasserix_> so are you including the app compat support library in your project?
Dec 11 03:14:14 <lasserix_> or just don't use AppCompat theme
Dec 11 03:14:36 <lasserix_> do you need an actionbar?
Dec 11 03:14:47 <mellow0324> I think that worked TacticalJoke
Dec 11 03:14:47 <TacticalJoke> He's just creating Hello World in a newly installed Eclipse environment.
Dec 11 03:14:52 <mellow0324> yes lasserix_
Dec 11 03:15:00 <mellow0324> eventually
Dec 11 03:15:16 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: i understand but you can't reference something if you don't include the dependency it relies on
Dec 11 03:15:44 <mellow0324> but what I'm trying to figuring out is why eclipse is building projects with these errors now when it wasn't doing that before
Dec 11 03:15:47 <TacticalJoke> It was the wizard that tried to reference AppCompat.
Dec 11 03:15:59 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  Maybe you're selecting (or defaulting to) something weird in the wizard.
Dec 11 03:16:29 <lasserix_> mellow you should use android studio...
Dec 11 03:16:39 <lasserix_> much easier to handle dependencies
Dec 11 03:16:48 <lasserix_> which you will need if you want action bar
Dec 11 03:17:10 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  Well, you can use ActionBar without those dependencies.
Dec 11 03:17:13 <TacticalJoke> Did you mean Toolbar?
Dec 11 03:17:23 <TacticalJoke> Unless we're talking a really low minSdkVersion.
Dec 11 03:18:57 <lasserix_> meaning he will probably want to use support ultimatly and since dependencies are an order of magnitude easier in AS
Dec 11 03:20:12 <mellow0324> The course I'm following is using Min 16, Compile 21 so i think its needed
Dec 11 03:20:24 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  What's needed?
Dec 11 03:20:57 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  You don't need to use a support library to get ActionBar with minSdkVersion=16.
Dec 11 03:21:00 <mellow0324> The ActionBar/depencies? or no
Dec 11 03:21:15 <mellow0324> oh ok
Dec 11 03:22:09 <mellow0324> Whats weird is that in Android Studio it will say I'm using Ap 16 but Android version 5.0.1
Dec 11 03:22:11 <TacticalJoke> ActionBar has been in Android since API 11 (I think).
Dec 11 03:22:19 <Agamemnus> has anyone used https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html ? I need to make sure I am doing it right
Dec 11 03:22:28 <mellow0324> And the preview doesnt have the action bar
Dec 11 03:22:38 <mellow0324> but it does when i run on device
Dec 11 03:24:56 <Templarian> There added the vector drawables .xml for the 5.x system icon downloads. http://materialdesignicons.com/ (even though it is just svg path data).
Dec 11 03:25:00 <mellow0324> This all started either when I deleted my old Android Studio (which I'd never used) and updated to 1.0
Dec 11 03:25:24 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  You need the support library for ActionBar on <11 or Toolbar on <21.
Dec 11 03:25:28 <mellow0324> or when I added the support libraries/repos and google play libraries/repos
Dec 11 03:25:53 <TacticalJoke> I dunno about the preview thing.
Dec 11 03:29:49 <mellow0324> I just created a new project after unloading/reloading Android Support Library.
Dec 11 03:29:55 <mellow0324> now this error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'theme' with value '@style/AppTheme').
Dec 11 03:30:41 <TacticalJoke> What does "unloading/reloading Android Support Library" mean?
Dec 11 03:31:48 <mellow0324> uninstallig from Android SDK Manger and then Reinstalling
Dec 11 03:35:18 <TacticalJoke> I don't understand.  A moment ago, you said you were using this:  <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light">
Dec 11 03:35:23 <TacticalJoke> AppBaseTheme, not AppTheme.
Dec 11 03:37:01 <TacticalJoke> File > Save All && Project > Clean.  If error recurs, pastebin /res/values/styles.xml.
Dec 11 03:37:42 <mellow0324> That still works on one project, but i created a new project. So i have to do this every time now?
Dec 11 03:39:35 <lasserix_> hey TacticalJoke check it http://www.kdgregory.com/index.php?page=java.refobj
Dec 11 03:40:00 <TacticalJoke> If by "do this every time" you mean "change 'Theme.AppCompat.Light' to 'Theme.Holo.Light' if I'm selecting the same options in the wizard", I guess the answer is "yes".
Dec 11 03:40:28 <mellow0324> ok thank you TacticalJoke
Dec 11 03:41:24 <TacticalJoke> Looks interesting, lasserix_.  Was that on /r/programming?
Dec 11 03:41:35 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  You could try different options in the wizard, I guess.
Dec 11 03:43:56 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  I don't have this same problem.  I don't know why the wizard would be depending on an absent AppCompat library.
Dec 11 03:44:30 <mellow0324> Thats my point. This should not b happening
Dec 11 03:45:27 <TacticalJoke> Especially since this is happening in AS too, you might be selecting something weird in the wizard.
Dec 11 03:45:31 <mellow0324> i'm gonna try uninstalling everything as well as deleting the SDK tools and strating form scratch
Dec 11 03:45:56 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  That's often a good idea with Android development.  lol
Dec 11 03:46:01 <mellow0324> i think it might be something in the SDK tools because they are both using the same path
Dec 11 03:52:06 <pfn> TacticalJoke, it isn't really
Dec 11 03:54:59 <pR0Ps> I have a question about trademarks. My app "Entrust IdentityGuard Unblock" was taken down because of a trademark claim by Entrust. Because my app is an unblocker for the Entrust app, I needed to actually put the "Entrust" in the title. I thought it would be covered under fair use, but obviously not.
Dec 11 03:55:08 <pR0Ps> Am I screwed or do I have a shot?
Dec 11 03:55:57 <TacticalJoke> pR0Ps:  I'm making a reddit client and reddit asked me to use "X for reddit" (rather than "reddit X").  But Entrust might not want their name used at all.  I'unno.
Dec 11 03:58:12 <TacticalJoke> Could you contact them?
Dec 11 03:58:20 <g00s> red X bad
Dec 11 03:58:25 <g00s> red X bad
Dec 11 03:58:36 <g00s> oops !
Dec 11 03:58:41 <pR0Ps> Yeah, as part of the notice, I got the lawyers email and phone number.
Dec 11 03:59:46 <pR0Ps> I'm going to talk to a few people with experience in this area and send something to them.
Dec 11 03:59:59 <pR0Ps> (This is why I'm here :D )
Dec 11 04:00:13 <g00s> actually this is the last place to come for legal advice
Dec 11 04:00:33 <TacticalJoke> Only illegal advice is given here.
Dec 11 04:02:05 <pR0Ps> Maybe so, but I was hoping people in here had direct experince with this sort of thing.
Dec 11 04:04:49 <pR0Ps> I don't really care about the app in the play store (it's an Xposed module so it's in the repo anyway) I'd just like to not have a strike against my account
Dec 11 04:05:50 <g00s> if you mean 'banned from android development for life' by 'strike against account', yeah thats not good
Dec 11 04:06:33 <pR0Ps> indeed, since (like most people) I just used my normal account.
Dec 11 04:06:35 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: whats the name?
Dec 11 04:09:24 <lasserix> if i use the same bitmap resource file for like 100 imageviews, does the bitmap get allocated 100 times?
Dec 11 04:12:52 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Aqua for Reddit.
Dec 11 04:12:58 <TacticalJoke> Just 'Aqua' on the home screen.
Dec 11 04:13:03 <pfn> what would an unblocker do
Dec 11 04:13:25 <lasserix> what is the line "x for reddit" versus "reddit x"?
Dec 11 04:13:35 <TacticalJoke> 'X' is the variable.
Dec 11 04:14:06 <lasserix> you mean like name you chose?
Dec 11 04:14:12 <TacticalJoke> reddit wants app developers using "<whatever> for reddit" rather than "reddit <whatever>".
Dec 11 04:14:23 <Agamemnus> anyone else have an experia?
Dec 11 04:14:35 <TacticalJoke> I have two Xperias.
Dec 11 04:14:36 <porten> I'm having a little trouble processing an action_view intent, when an orientation change takes place the intent with the same data is redelivered, causing me to reprocesses the file again
Dec 11 04:15:04 <Agamemnus> TacticalJoke, can you test my game real quick? It should work by now
Dec 11 04:15:07 <Agamemnus> But I need to confirm
Dec 11 04:15:20 <pfn> TacticalJoke, sounds reasonable
Dec 11 04:15:27 <Agamemnus> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flyingsoft.safari.jigsaw.free
Dec 11 04:15:34 <pfn> the suggestion typically avoids trademark issues
Dec 11 04:15:55 <porten> any ideas on how to properly handle this scenario?
Dec 11 04:15:56 <pfn> directly calling it reddit x implies it's from reddit
Dec 11 04:15:59 <TacticalJoke> Agamemnus:  Those permissions.  :/
Dec 11 04:16:08 <pfn> which is blatant misrepresentation
Dec 11 04:16:08 <TacticalJoke> pfn:  Yah.
Dec 11 04:17:09 <lasserix> portan use a singleton
Dec 11 04:17:23 <TacticalJoke> It's not that I don't trust you, Agamemnus; I just hate selling my soul by installing apps wanting permissions such as "find accounts on the device" and "read phone status and identity".
Dec 11 04:17:26 <lasserix> or non-ui fragment with set retaintotrue
Dec 11 04:18:08 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: my dad makes the arguement that because app developers are afraid to charge, that's why end up so much shit and adspyware
Dec 11 04:18:29 <lasserix> i mean literally average person buys a snickers bar and BLEEPs it out an hour later for a dollar
Dec 11 04:18:37 <TacticalJoke> I wouldn't be surprised to see "smash your windows", "punch you in the face", and so on.
Dec 11 04:18:41 <lasserix> so we just  hav eto somehow overcome the fear of spending a dollar on an app
Dec 11 04:18:49 <TacticalJoke> True, it is scary.
Dec 11 04:19:32 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: he needs to know your phone stautus and identity how else will he pick the animals?!
Dec 11 04:19:35 <TacticalJoke> To be fair, though, people have paid so much already for their devices.  It's kinda unsurprising that they've mentally drawn the line there.
Dec 11 04:19:55 <TacticalJoke> Also, the idea of paying for phone apps is totally new.
Dec 11 04:19:56 <porten> lasserix: so setting getIntent().getData(null) is not a good idea?
Dec 11 04:20:06 <pfn> I think I'll publish my tvm calculator for pay tomorrow
Dec 11 04:20:08 <lasserix> NO THAT'S FINE
Dec 11 04:20:11 <lasserix> err no that's fine
Dec 11 04:20:13 <mellow0324> People pay so much for computers though
Dec 11 04:20:15 <lasserix> tvm?
Dec 11 04:20:17 <porten> lasserix: I'm not using singleton fragments right now, i'm handling things using savedinstance states
Dec 11 04:20:18 <TacticalJoke> My phone's status right now is "NOT IN A GOOD MOOD".
Dec 11 04:20:23 <mellow0324> they dont expect free computer software
Dec 11 04:20:27 <pfn> lasserix, financial calculator
Dec 11 04:20:30 <lasserix> ah
Dec 11 04:20:30 <mellow0324> but the expect free apps
Dec 11 04:20:41 <lasserix> yeah as developers we need to reverse that
Dec 11 04:20:46 <pfn> cept it only supports loan amortization right now
Dec 11 04:20:59 <g00s> pfn whats tvm calculator ?
Dec 11 04:21:06 <lasserix> and google needs to do some advertising
Dec 11 04:21:10 <TacticalJoke> What if I need a financial calculator to determine whether to buy a financial calculator?
Dec 11 04:21:18 <lasserix> to convince people spending a dollar on an app they can get a refund on is OKAY
Dec 11 04:21:18 <pfn> g00s, https://github.com/pfn/android-tvm
Dec 11 04:22:18 <mellow0324> tbh this isn't as much of a problem on iOS
Dec 11 04:22:34 <mellow0324> but the open file system on android leads to heavy piracy
Dec 11 04:22:47 <mellow0324> In-app purchases is a good fix though
Dec 11 04:23:13 <mellow0324> More and more apps moving to free w/ in app purchases to combat piracy
Dec 11 04:23:18 <TacticalJoke> I think, ultimately, it's hard to argue for or against having to buy anything.
Dec 11 04:23:39 <mellow0324> I dont
Dec 11 04:23:57 <Agamemnus> tacticaljoke oh sorry
Dec 11 04:24:02 <Agamemnus> yyou can uninstall it later
Dec 11 04:24:16 <mellow0324> You pay to go to your favorite artist's concert. You understand that you're supporting them
Dec 11 04:24:26 <Agamemnus> i can tell you why i need the permissions
Dec 11 04:24:32 <pR0Ps> pfn: The app detects rooted and custom ROMs and exits. The unblocker makes the app think it's on a stock ROM
Dec 11 04:24:32 <mellow0324> So why do people not understand that buying apps helps the dev
Dec 11 04:24:40 <g00s> when so many apps are crap, spending a few bucks is pretty risky :)
Dec 11 04:24:50 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, not many apps even deserve it.
Dec 11 04:24:50 <mellow0324> yea g00s
Dec 11 04:25:04 <g00s> getting a cup of coffee at starbucks is more expensive, but not as risky :)
Dec 11 04:25:11 <TacticalJoke> Agamemnus:  Sorry, d00d, I just hate those permissions.  :/
Dec 11 04:25:32 <Agamemnus> ok
Dec 11 04:25:34 <Agamemnus> .....
Dec 11 04:25:39 <g00s> this is interesting "when an app is suspended, Google proposes you to re-upload a new "fixed" one. That's a trap, because it's impossible to know if the way you "fixed" it will please Google. So you can get 2 or 3 strikes and get your account banned for a single violation."
Dec 11 04:26:12 <Agamemnus> TacticalJoke: i need the phone status and identity info to make sure the game stops when the user has a phone call
Dec 11 04:26:20 <Agamemnus> iirc
Dec 11 04:26:28 <lasserix_> hello lasserix
Dec 11 04:26:33 <lasserix> hello other lasserix
Dec 11 04:26:34 <mellow0324> yea Agamemnus
Dec 11 04:26:41 <TacticalJoke> Android srsly needs the ability for users to choose which permissions to grant.
Dec 11 04:26:44 <lasserix_> how's life on that there other screen?
Dec 11 04:26:50 <lasserix> oh crowded, you?
Dec 11 04:26:54 <TacticalJoke> It's freaking 2014 and I can't decide what apps on my device are allowed to do?
Dec 11 04:27:03 <lasserix_> pretty empty over here.
Dec 11 04:27:09 <mellow0324> I don't think that's ever coming
Dec 11 04:27:12 <Agamemnus> will you try it please
Dec 11 04:27:14 <mellow0324> but i wish it did
Dec 11 04:27:25 <mellow0324> can you do it on root?
Dec 11 04:27:31 <lasserix_> its 2014 and the best apps are still fart apps
Dec 11 04:27:33 <TacticalJoke> Agamemnus:  I'm too put off by the permissions.  Sorry.
Dec 11 04:27:40 <TacticalJoke> There are fart apps?
Dec 11 04:27:42 <pfn> TacticalJoke, apps will just crash when the permissions they need aren't granted
Dec 11 04:27:48 <Agamemnus> man, you're a developer, you should know why i need them
Dec 11 04:27:49 <Agamemnus> but ok
Dec 11 04:27:54 <pfn> you choose what to allow by not installing
Dec 11 04:28:02 <mellow0324> Surprisingly, I don't root anymore since i got a nexus
Dec 11 04:28:04 <lasserix_> you need them to steal peoples identity and sell it
Dec 11 04:28:10 <mellow0324> that's backwards as hell
Dec 11 04:28:12 <Agamemnus> absolutely
Dec 11 04:28:13 <TacticalJoke> pfn:  Couldn't the system be changed so that they don't just crash?
Dec 11 04:28:39 <pfn> Maybe, maybe not
Dec 11 04:28:40 <TacticalJoke> Agamemnus:  I'm sure you're trustworthy.  It's just a principle thing, I think.
Dec 11 04:28:53 <pfn> it ramps up QA effort dramatically to support it
Dec 11 04:29:01 <Agamemnus> a principle thing would be ma asking you to murder someone in cold blood
Dec 11 04:29:07 <TacticalJoke> Like, if I installed it, I'd be breaking my commitment not to install apps that request these permissions.
Dec 11 04:29:08 <Agamemnus> and I say "trust me, he's a bad guy"
Dec 11 04:29:15 <TacticalJoke> Then I'd spend the rest of the day with an awkward feeling.
Dec 11 04:29:16 <mellow0324> Tweet your app out to your followers
Dec 11 04:29:17 <Agamemnus> me*
Dec 11 04:29:24 <pfn> you would ha e to test every variation of permission combinations
Dec 11 04:29:37 <Agamemnus> the permissions are not granular enough
Dec 11 04:29:38 <mellow0324> ah true pfn
Dec 11 04:29:53 <Agamemnus> but if they were more granular, people wouldn't understand
Dec 11 04:29:59 <Agamemnus> but they still don't
Dec 11 04:30:02 <Agamemnus> it's all good
Dec 11 04:30:13 <mellow0324> QA can be a b!+c#
Dec 11 04:30:15 <Agamemnus> anyway, it's google
Dec 11 04:30:29 <TacticalJoke> Your game does look good, though.
Dec 11 04:30:41 <pfn> all apps would constantly have 1* reviews because idiots disable permissions and stuff stopped working
Dec 11 04:30:50 <TacticalJoke> Dem lions doe.
Dec 11 04:31:03 <Agamemnus> pfn: i mean granular in that you can ask for more specific permissions
Dec 11 04:31:10 <Agamemnus> not that they can be disabled selectively
Dec 11 04:31:21 <lasserix_> pfn can't you get just a bitmask of permissions?
Dec 11 04:31:22 <TacticalJoke> pfn:  Hmm.  How does it work on iOS, then?
Dec 11 04:32:00 <pfn> TacticalJoke, ios doesn't have permissions
Dec 11 04:32:06 <mellow0324> permissions is not a thing on iOS
Dec 11 04:32:07 <pfn> you can do whatever you want
Dec 11 04:32:15 <mellow0324> they are invisible to end user
Dec 11 04:32:21 <TacticalJoke> I thought iOS let users determine which permissions an app used?
Dec 11 04:32:22 <mellow0324> BUT
Dec 11 04:32:34 <pfn> TacticalJoke, you've never used ios apparently
Dec 11 04:32:38 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Dec 11 04:32:39 <mellow0324> there is an actual team that goes through your app
Dec 11 04:32:49 <TacticalJoke> But I've spoken with iOS users who've told me that they can disallow apps from reading contacts, etc.
Dec 11 04:32:53 <pfn> ios has no permissions
Dec 11 04:33:01 <mellow0324> Well kinda
Dec 11 04:33:05 <TacticalJoke> They get prompts such as "This app wants to do the following: x, y, z" and they can choose which to allow.
Dec 11 04:33:10 <TacticalJoke> Upon installation.
Dec 11 04:33:12 <mellow0324> yes
Dec 11 04:33:16 <mellow0324> no
Dec 11 04:33:17 <pfn> somethings are on an opt in basis
Dec 11 04:33:19 <mellow0324> during usage
Dec 11 04:33:35 <pfn> but generally, no
Dec 11 04:33:39 <mellow0324> camera, contacts, location require confirmation
Dec 11 04:33:43 <pfn> everything has access to everything
Dec 11 04:34:27 <TacticalJoke> To use certain permissions — specifically, to access your Location Services (GPS), Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Photos, Bluetooth, Microphone, Motion Activity, Twitter account, or Facebook account — the app requests the permission when it needs to use it.
Dec 11 04:34:48 <TacticalJoke> A quote.
Dec 11 04:34:56 <pfn> basically yeS
Dec 11 04:35:01 <pfn> but that's all
Dec 11 04:35:20 <mellow0324> but Its not like android premissions
Dec 11 04:35:24 <TacticalJoke> Eye sea.
Dec 11 04:35:29 <mellow0324> its not on the app install page
Dec 11 04:35:42 <mellow0324> its kind of like a black box really
Dec 11 04:36:02 <mellow0324> You don't know until it requests something for the first time
Dec 11 04:37:43 <Jesperhead> http://pastebin.com/3jZEu96d anyone mind inspecting this? Particularly the authheader portion at the top? I keep getting 401 back in my statuscode log call.
Dec 11 04:40:05 <TacticalJoke> I feel like, if I didn't use revision control, my brain would just melt.
Dec 11 04:40:25 <Jesperhead> whats that? my brain is currently melting for what its worth
Dec 11 04:40:36 <TacticalJoke> AKA version control.
Dec 11 04:40:43 <Jesperhead> yeah i was just kindding :-p
Dec 11 04:41:22 <TacticalJoke> Jesperhead:  Is it a server-side issue?  It's hard to say much from that code, I guess.
Dec 11 04:41:57 <Jesperhead> yeah im going through some of the other auths in other parts of my code, they might not be using "basic auth"
Dec 11 04:42:04 <Jesperhead> trying another variant
Dec 11 04:42:07 <lasserix> jkh
Dec 11 04:42:41 <Agamemnus> pfn, so this permission overreach permeates Google Play
Dec 11 04:43:09 <mellow0324> To those who use Android Studio, is my activity_main design tab supposed to look like this?
Dec 11 04:43:10 <mellow0324> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tc6oeul0aqg7ah/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-10%20at%2011.30.59%20PM.png?dl=0
Dec 11 04:43:12 <Agamemnus> For example, if I want to track some data for users on my server, I need to authenticate them via a token that gives me the source and an ID.
Dec 11 04:43:18 <pfn> overreach? nah, everyone wants their analytics
Dec 11 04:43:28 <Agamemnus> But instead, I have to ask them their name, male/female, pic, etc.
Dec 11 04:43:36 <mellow0324> no action bar. is that regular? there is one on the device
Dec 11 04:43:37 <Agamemnus> when it could be completely automatic
Dec 11 04:43:53 <Agamemnus> an id is not something that should require permissions
Dec 11 04:44:04 <pfn> Agamemnus, then request contacts permission and read their profile
Dec 11 04:44:04 <Agamemnus> and i don't really need any other data
Dec 11 04:44:30 <Agamemnus> pfn, i was actually considering something like that
Dec 11 04:44:34 <Agamemnus> but
Dec 11 04:44:37 <Agamemnus> here's the thing
Dec 11 04:44:42 <Agamemnus> I need a token to authenticate
Dec 11 04:44:44 <Agamemnus> not just an ID
Dec 11 04:45:03 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  I see my ActionBar in Eclipse.
Dec 11 04:45:14 <TacticalJoke> Are you using [tools:context=".ui.MainActivity"] or some such?
Dec 11 04:45:39 <TacticalJoke> In the root element of your layout.
Dec 11 04:46:26 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  If I remove that, I still see my ActionBar.
Dec 11 04:46:39 <TacticalJoke> I guess that's completely irrelevant, then.
Dec 11 04:50:06 <mellow0324> This is a fresh project in Android Studio after reinstall.
Dec 11 04:50:34 <mellow0324> it does say [tools:context="MainActivity"] TacticalJoke
Dec 11 04:50:45 <TacticalJoke> What does your AndroidManifest.xml look like?
Dec 11 04:50:50 <mellow0324> .MainActivity
Dec 11 04:52:07 <mellow0324> https://gist.github.com/mkturner/2829d944baccbd6db97c
Dec 11 04:52:15 <mellow0324> ^ TacticalJoke
Dec 11 04:52:33 <lasserix> when making a custom style for a textview do i need to use a parent?
Dec 11 04:54:38 <lasserix> err nm doh style is not an item
Dec 11 04:54:56 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  I don't see anything wrong there.
Dec 11 04:55:08 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure whether it'll help, but you could try running Lint via Analyze > Inspect Code.
Dec 11 04:55:28 <TacticalJoke> Also, I would be tempted to try replacing ".MainActivity" with the full name (including the package name), but I doubt that'll help either.
Dec 11 04:56:29 <mellow0324> no errors from lint
Dec 11 04:57:40 <mellow0324> so would "com.organization.example.MainActivity" be correct?
Dec 11 04:57:43 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Dec 11 04:58:25 <TacticalJoke> I guess I'd save all and close the layout file and reopen it.
Dec 11 04:58:30 <TacticalJoke> But it probably won't help.  Just an idea.
Dec 11 04:59:11 <niru> I have  ListPreference items in my preferencecategory.My default none of the items are in selected stated/or no default value is set
Dec 11 04:59:14 <lasserix> If I set the same drawable to 100 imageviews, will the bitmap of the drawable be allocated into memory 100 times or just once?
Dec 11 04:59:55 <niru> default_value.setValueIndex(0); does not show any change
Dec 11 05:00:02 <mellow0324> It didn't :(
Dec 11 05:00:24 <niru> neither the setValue
Dec 11 05:00:38 <mellow0324> Google, Y U No Perfect "Stable" release?!
Dec 11 05:00:51 <TacticalJoke> mellow0324:  And it also doesn't show in Eclipse?
Dec 11 05:00:56 <niru> how to set some default items in listpreference?
Dec 11 05:01:11 <mellow0324> i dont even know how to open that view in eclipse
Dec 11 05:01:43 <TacticalJoke> Double-click activity_main.xml and then, if it's not already selected, click 'Graphical Layout' at the bottom-left.
Dec 11 05:01:46 <gordon_> mellow0324: what problem do you have ?
Dec 11 05:02:49 <mellow0324> Well originally I had errors with AppTheme/AppCompat but i reinstalled everything from scratch gordon_
Dec 11 05:02:57 <mellow0324> gordon_ now in
Dec 11 05:03:09 <gordon_> not fresh sdk ?
Dec 11 05:03:14 <mellow0324> Android Studio, I don't have Action  Bar on my preview
Dec 11 05:03:21 <gordon_> change theme ?
Dec 11 05:03:26 <mellow0324> fresh everything
Dec 11 05:03:34 <mellow0324> no custom theme
Dec 11 05:03:45 <gordon_> what theme are you using ?
Dec 11 05:03:52 <mellow0324> the stock Hello World template
Dec 11 05:03:55 <mellow0324> let me check
Dec 11 05:04:02 <gordon_> in preview
Dec 11 05:04:33 <mellow0324> says AppTheme
Dec 11 05:04:48 <gordon_> ok now findit
Dec 11 05:05:08 <gordon_> if not change it to something different
Dec 11 05:05:09 <gordon_> like..
Dec 11 05:05:32 <gordon_> AppCompat.Light or something
Dec 11 05:05:52 <mellow0324> 1 sec
Dec 11 05:07:22 <mellow0324> changed theme in Android Manifest to AppCompat.Light
Dec 11 05:07:27 <mellow0324> no dice
Dec 11 05:07:35 <gordon_> hmm
Dec 11 05:07:37 <mellow0324> saved and refreshed
Dec 11 05:07:44 <gordon_> it works for me ;)
Dec 11 05:07:51 <TacticalJoke> What was it before?  Theme.Holo.Light?
Dec 11 05:09:09 <shmooz> try android:Theme.Light
Dec 11 05:09:21 <mellow0324> @style/AppTheme TacticalJoke
Dec 11 05:09:24 <TacticalJoke> Will Theme.Light have an ActionBar?
Dec 11 05:09:53 <TacticalJoke> Maybe try @android:style/Theme.Holo.Light.
Dec 11 05:12:27 <niru> ok I got it
Dec 11 05:12:40 <niru> its android:defaultValue="value"
Dec 11 05:13:39 <shmooz> niru: yeah, that works
Dec 11 05:14:40 <shmooz> niru: you should override your ListPreference to show the selected value in it's summary
Dec 11 05:15:19 <jareddlc> sup guys
Dec 11 05:19:55 <g00s> Napalm around ?
Dec 11 05:27:17 <mellow0324> i just realized there is no theme.xml
Dec 11 05:27:34 <mellow0324> its not being created
Dec 11 05:28:19 <mellow0324> can someone create a new porject and share your theme.xml through gist or something?
Dec 11 05:29:43 <TacticalJoke> There doesn't have to be a theme.xml.
Dec 11 05:30:01 <TacticalJoke> Do you have a styles.xml containing AppThem?
Dec 11 05:30:04 <TacticalJoke> Theme*
Dec 11 05:30:15 <gordon_> mellow0324: http://android-developers.blogspot.jp/2014/10/appcompat-v21-material-design-for-pre.html
Dec 11 05:31:17 <mellow0324> haha gordon_ i was just reading that page which made me ask
Dec 11 05:31:42 <mellow0324> it referenced theme.xml so i thought i needed one TacticalJoke
Dec 11 05:31:51 <mellow0324> thanks though
Dec 11 05:32:07 <pfn> anything in values is free to be named any arbitrary name
Dec 11 05:32:18 <TacticalJoke> What do you folks think about this style of exception detail-messages: http://pastebin.com/FEdkxbZU
Dec 11 05:32:32 <pfn> styles, theme, attrs, strings, can call them all anything you want
Dec 11 05:32:37 <TacticalJoke> The "array.size() != 2" thing.
Dec 11 05:32:56 <TacticalJoke> (It's not a public API, BTW.)
Dec 11 05:33:13 <pfn> TacticalJoke, good to have actual size
Dec 11 05:33:39 <pfn> otherwise, when you get that exception, you wonder wtf the size actually was
Dec 11 05:33:45 <TacticalJoke> Yah, true.
Dec 11 05:34:16 <TacticalJoke> Is it sensible to talk about a local variable?  Most people talk about the parameters.
Dec 11 05:35:10 <pfn> depends on who's using your api
Dec 11 05:36:24 <pfn> man, I wish I got the free valve cardboard viewer 😣
Dec 11 05:36:27 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: invert the if, then you don't need 'else'
Dec 11 05:36:33 <pfn> missed out
Dec 11 05:36:42 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I prefer the if-else there.  :D
Dec 11 05:36:46 <TacticalJoke> Though most people would hate it.
Dec 11 05:37:05 <JakeWharton> cognitive waste
Dec 11 05:37:21 <TacticalJoke> I like the consistent indentation for the two branches.
Dec 11 05:37:24 <JakeWharton> by the time you get to the else you have to remember what the conditional was even checking and invert it
Dec 11 05:37:47 <JakeWharton> the inverse is much better design
Dec 11 05:37:49 <TacticalJoke> Most of my if-statement bodies are one statement in length.  This is rare one.
Dec 11 05:37:49 <pfn> volvo, stupid SwiftKey
Dec 11 05:37:51 <JakeWharton> check conditionals and throw up front
Dec 11 05:37:57 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I usually do that.
Dec 11 05:38:01 <TacticalJoke> "Guard clauses" or whatever.
Dec 11 05:39:44 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  Just curious -- would you use that exception message if you were *not* writing a public API?
Dec 11 05:40:06 <TacticalJoke> Or would you talk about the parameter instead (e.g., "reader didn't contain an array with 2 elements").
Dec 11 05:40:57 <JakeWharton> i don't know
Dec 11 05:41:19 <JakeWharton> probably what you have
Dec 11 05:41:24 <TacticalJoke> K.
Dec 11 05:41:59 <JakeWharton> is that org.json.*?
Dec 11 05:42:06 <TacticalJoke> Nah, it's Gson.
Dec 11 05:42:28 <Agamemnus> FFS
Dec 11 05:42:34 <Agamemnus> Can anyone tell me
Dec 11 05:42:36 <TacticalJoke> I'd use object mapping, but I like the fastness of this.  Might even consider stream parsing at some point.
Dec 11 05:42:43 <Agamemnus> Why do the Android docs not have the imports?
Dec 11 05:42:51 <Agamemnus> Why do we have to guess like retarded monkeys?
Dec 11 05:43:10 <TacticalJoke> The imports of what?
Dec 11 05:43:11 <JakeWharton> i can't imagine the DOM approach being much faster
Dec 11 05:43:12 <Agamemnus> does the ide handle all of it?
Dec 11 05:43:21 <Agamemnus> for the example code.
Dec 11 05:43:26 <JakeWharton> additionally, you should be streaming the response to Gson to amortize the cost of deserialization
Dec 11 05:43:34 <JakeWharton> so speed of deserialization becomes moot
Dec 11 05:43:56 <Agamemnus> you mean json?
Dec 11 05:43:59 <JakeWharton> also the network overhead itself is already 100x slower than anything Gson would do
Dec 11 05:44:07 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  The Body.charStream thing?
Dec 11 05:44:08 <Agamemnus> Gson?
Dec 11 05:44:33 <TacticalJoke> ResponseBody *
Dec 11 05:46:48 <JakeWharton> yeah
Dec 11 05:47:00 <JakeWharton> you get that object after headers are parsed, the body is still coming down the network
Dec 11 05:47:27 <JakeWharton> hand the stream right to gson and you're good to go
Dec 11 05:47:44 <TacticalJoke> Oh yeah, I do that.  This is the code calling that code: http://pastebin.com/rrMPpVaD  It's a slightly ugly part of the Reddit API.
Dec 11 05:47:55 <TacticalJoke> I had to create that CommentListingTuple class to work around the ugliness.
Dec 11 05:50:02 <TacticalJoke> When you ask for a comment listing, they give you a post (actually, a post listing with only one post) and a comment listing.  It's kinda awkward, but it's not hugely awful.
Dec 11 05:52:23 * pfn has never streamed directly to gson
Dec 11 05:52:31 <pfn> I should do that, save some parsing time
Dec 11 05:52:56 <pfn> and gson can take several seconds to parse data that's several hundred kb
Dec 11 05:53:14 <pfn> which can easily be slower than network latency
Dec 11 05:54:12 <jareddlc> hey guys, if i have a task that has a callback. that runs in a service, how can i update my UI with that data?
Dec 11 05:55:50 <gordon_> jareddlc: broadcast receiver
Dec 11 05:55:52 <gordon_> intent
Dec 11 05:55:54 <gordon_> event bus
Dec 11 05:55:56 <gordon_> umm
Dec 11 05:56:04 <gordon_> there was one more but I forgot now :)
Dec 11 05:56:08 <gordon_> a, service binding
Dec 11 05:56:35 <jareddlc> hmm i do have a handler which i can use to send data...
Dec 11 05:56:36 <gordon_> I'd use eventbus because it's convinient
Dec 11 05:57:03 <jareddlc> i have a listpreference and im doing a bluetooth scan
Dec 11 05:57:10 <jareddlc> and i want to update the list as the devices get found
Dec 11 05:57:36 <jareddlc> cool thanks gordon_
Dec 11 05:58:31 <gordon_> lso http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2463175/how-to-have-android-service-communicate-with-activity
Dec 11 05:59:02 <gordon_> and this http://developer.android.com/guide/components/bound-services.html
Dec 11 05:59:10 <gordon_> whatever option you will choose
Dec 11 06:00:34 <jareddlc> hmm bound service looks like wont work for me
Dec 11 06:00:40 <jareddlc> as i dont get data at the time of onClick
Dec 11 06:01:32 <gordon_> read it and you will know :)
Dec 11 06:01:38 <gordon_> which one to choose
Dec 11 06:01:49 <gordon_> service as singleton doesnt sound bad
Dec 11 06:02:25 <TacticalJoke> In Mercurial, I can rebase all local branches with one command:  hg rebase -s "secret()" -d master
Dec 11 06:02:30 <g00s> jareddlc may as well do ble scan in the UI
Dec 11 06:02:39 <TacticalJoke> That could rebase 100 branches.
Dec 11 06:03:18 <g00s> jareddlc really no reason why scanning for peripherals needs to be in a service. the rest of the code should be in a service, though
Dec 11 06:03:27 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: you can run a script in bash... ;)
Dec 11 06:03:35 <gordon_> or awk !
Dec 11 06:03:42 <jareddlc> well g00s  i did it for simplyicity since all my ble code is in there
Dec 11 06:03:57 <jareddlc> and i thought doing async in UI is bad
Dec 11 06:04:02 <TacticalJoke> Mercurial's revsets are awesome.  A whole functional language for selecting a set of revisions.
Dec 11 06:04:23 <g00s> does Boon json work on android ?
Dec 11 06:04:44 <TacticalJoke> An example from the docs:  hg log -r "(keyword(bug) or keyword(issue)) and not ancestors(tag())"
Dec 11 06:04:57 <g00s> TacticalJoke why all the hg advocacy on android-dev :|
Dec 11 06:05:04 <g00s> who the fuck cares
Dec 11 06:05:13 <g00s> use hg, be happy
Dec 11 06:05:22 <jareddlc> lol
Dec 11 06:05:33 <jareddlc> i like git
Dec 11 06:05:43 <jareddlc> never tried using hg as cli though
Dec 11 06:06:12 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Does it hurt anyone?
Dec 11 06:06:14 <TacticalJoke> It's information.
Dec 11 06:06:23 <g00s> its useless information for android dev
Dec 11 06:06:28 <TacticalJoke> So is a lot of what you post, to be fair.
Dec 11 06:06:37 <g00s> may as well go into #git and tell them how awesome hg is
Dec 11 06:07:19 <jareddlc> xD
Dec 11 06:08:10 <gordon_> that's one step beyond ;)
Dec 11 06:10:01 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  I'll remember to post "who the fuck cares" when you go off-topic.
Dec 11 06:10:05 <TacticalJoke> S'all good.
Dec 11 06:10:26 <g00s> TacticalJoke you are off topic for hours each day
Dec 11 06:10:34 <TacticalJoke> Then put me on ignore.
Dec 11 06:10:44 <gordon_> can you please stop /
Dec 11 06:10:47 <g00s> i did, but then the rest of the channel becomes incoherent
Dec 11 06:11:03 <gordon_> is it your first day on the internet ?
Dec 11 06:13:06 <JakeWharton> g00s: you veer off-topic constantly
Dec 11 06:13:17 <g00s> i try not to these days
Dec 11 06:14:03 <gordon_> JakeWharton: I wanted to ask you question, about robolectric. since you guys are using robolectric and I assume retrofit
Dec 11 06:14:24 <gordon_> where do you mock the network request ?
Dec 11 06:14:31 <JakeWharton> we don't
Dec 11 06:14:34 <gordon_> in retrofit or robolectric ?
Dec 11 06:14:37 <gordon_> oh
Dec 11 06:14:46 <JakeWharton> class MockService implements Service {}
Dec 11 06:15:02 <JakeWharton> type-safe, high-level mock implementation
Dec 11 06:15:05 <gordon_> so classic java, thanks
Dec 11 06:15:20 <JakeWharton> shouldn't call it mock
Dec 11 06:15:22 <JakeWharton> fake?
Dec 11 06:15:32 <gordon_> well.. test service ;)
Dec 11 06:15:38 <JakeWharton> well it's not just for testing
Dec 11 06:15:50 <JakeWharton> you can run the entire app on these mock services with a flick of a spinner in the debug drawer
Dec 11 06:16:01 <gordon_> like in u2020?
Dec 11 06:16:04 <JakeWharton> yep
Dec 11 06:16:12 <gordon_> ok, will dive into it more
Dec 11 06:16:29 <JakeWharton> we use that mode for instrumentation and unit tests
Dec 11 06:16:38 <JakeWharton> although sometimes unit tests will Mockito mock the service interface
Dec 11 06:16:45 <gordon_> for instrumentation, what do you use ?
Dec 11 06:16:49 <gordon_> double espresso ?
Dec 11 06:16:55 <JakeWharton> yeah
Dec 11 06:16:59 <JakeWharton> with higher-level wrappers
Dec 11 06:17:28 <gordon_> when I used espresso last time I got timeouts (network calls to api)
Dec 11 06:17:59 <gordon_> since that great library was working on normal threads
Dec 11 06:18:17 <gordon_> and google implemented espresso to work with  AsyncTasks AFAIK, right?
Dec 11 06:18:21 * capella dang ... missed an hg vs. git flame war :/
Dec 11 06:18:36 <JakeWharton> you can implement your own idlers for espresso
Dec 11 06:18:39 <JakeWharton> which are aware of executors, etc.
Dec 11 06:18:41 <g00s> capella it was the season finale
Dec 11 06:18:55 <gordon_> JakeWharton: I've seen something but didnt have time to dive in
Dec 11 06:19:00 <g00s> capella refer to logs for episodes 1-12
Dec 11 06:19:03 * capella :p is a moz-er ... uses hg
Dec 11 06:19:10 <gordon_> I am the only one who wants to write tests here for android ;)
Dec 11 06:19:14 <capella> yah - doing the scrollback :D
Dec 11 06:19:55 <gordon_> so if you have good resources on robolectric - I will be grateful
Dec 11 06:20:38 <JakeWharton> not really. we don't use robolectric for much. just the occasional running into of a Bundle or Parcel
Dec 11 06:20:59 <gordon_> not love for tdd? :(
Dec 11 06:21:30 <g00s> i do ddd
Dec 11 06:21:36 <g00s> (deploy driven development) :D
Dec 11 06:21:47 <gordon_> funny, funny unless... bugs
Dec 11 06:21:55 <g00s> maybe someday domain driven design ha
Dec 11 06:22:02 <JakeWharton> i'll do tdd when all i have to do is write interfaces and tests and some neural network writes the impl
Dec 11 06:22:34 <gordon_> JakeWharton: ;)
Dec 11 06:23:23 <gordon_> I dont like rails, but what rails guys tought me here was rspec
Dec 11 06:23:40 <gordon_> and I wish android could be written that way...
Dec 11 06:24:37 <TacticalJoke> gordon_:  Do you use TDD much?
Dec 11 06:24:48 <TacticalJoke> I've used it in the past, but I often preferred another approach.
Dec 11 06:25:40 <g00s> Tactical Driven Development
Dec 11 06:26:29 <gordon_> TacticalJoke: in rails? yes
Dec 11 06:26:41 <gordon_> but I dont write much rails here
Dec 11 06:26:46 <gordon_> only when I have to :)
Dec 11 06:26:59 <g00s> rails is pretty retro these days
Dec 11 06:27:21 <gordon_> it doesnt matter now
Dec 11 06:27:54 <gordon_> that I would like to see i gradle guard plugin
Dec 11 06:28:03 <gordon_> and test loop
Dec 11 06:28:06 <gordon_> no emulator
Dec 11 06:28:25 <gordon_> not mentioning scala and sbt can do that..
Dec 11 06:29:00 <JakeWharton> except you just did
Dec 11 06:29:20 <gordon_> shhh, that's the secret
Dec 11 06:29:40 <JakeWharton> also has nothing to do with scala
Dec 11 06:29:50 <gordon_> it doesnt, that's right
Dec 11 06:30:00 <gordon_> it's sbt feature
Dec 11 06:30:26 <gordon_> there is ticket for this in gradle
Dec 11 06:30:31 <gordon_> for.... 2 years now?
Dec 11 06:31:08 <JakeWharton> they're very clear about focusing on speed later, features sooner
Dec 11 06:31:12 <jareddlc> hey guys very n00b question
Dec 11 06:31:18 <jareddlc> how can i instanciate a set Set<BluetoothDevice>
Dec 11 06:31:25 <JakeWharton> LinkedHashSet
Dec 11 06:31:39 <JakeWharton> new LinkedHashSet<>(), specifically
Dec 11 06:31:55 <gordon_> JakeWharton: I understand, but it's not specified to android, but to the gradle as project
Dec 11 06:32:06 <JakeWharton> that is to what i was referring
Dec 11 06:32:43 <jareddlc> thanks JakeWharton mBluetoothLeDevices = new LinkedHashSet<BluetoothDevice>();
Dec 11 06:32:45 <gordon_> interesting talk, we can continue later ;)
Dec 11 06:32:52 <jareddlc> seemed to work, but no mention of that in docs :|
Dec 11 06:33:01 <gordon_> seems like I need to go back to reality and fix bugs :O
Dec 11 06:33:33 <g00s> jareddlc if you are presenting a list of devices in the UI, may as well use ArrayList. just append each one found from startLeScan
Dec 11 06:33:33 <JakeWharton> jareddlc: that is Java fundamentals. I would recommend a beginning Java course or tutorial
Dec 11 06:34:36 <gordon_> jareddlc: http://www.gigaspaces.com/docs/cpp/doc/api/html/classjava_1_1util_1_1Collection__inherit__graph.png
Dec 11 06:34:55 <jareddlc> JakeWharton: xD yeah. I was looking at android docs, and Set has nothing about where it came from. thanks. g00s my leCallback ececutes many times, so i want to make sure i dont append to arraylist, a set doesnt allow duplicate
Dec 11 06:35:15 <jareddlc> gordon_: +1
Dec 11 06:35:17 <gordon_> that grapgh seems old...
Dec 11 06:35:32 <gordon_> http://www.jitendrazaa.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Java-Collection-interfaces-and-concrete-classes.jpg
Dec 11 06:35:35 <gordon_> this one is better
Dec 11 06:36:31 <jareddlc> gordon_: to be fair, i didnt look it up on google, just on android docs, and i figured id ask quickly here :D
Dec 11 06:36:32 <JakeWharton> where's Deque and ArrayDeque?!?
Dec 11 06:38:04 <gordon_> JakeWharton: synchronized collections arent there either
Dec 11 06:38:17 <jareddlc> g00s: i appreciate your help. you know Im a bit stubborn, then i get thigs wrong and come back for more help :{ i need to fix that
Dec 11 06:39:26 <g00s> jareddlc in the case of bt devices, probably aren't going to have many in 30m. 1? 2 ? 5 at most? you can so if (!myList.find(device)) mylist.add(device). you have to put this in the Adapter anyhow
Dec 11 06:39:48 <g00s> jareddlc you are putting in a listview right ? :)
Dec 11 06:40:02 <jareddlc> listpreference
Dec 11 06:40:07 <jareddlc> here what i have one sec
Dec 11 06:40:24 <g00s> oh , ok. then you can iterate over the set and add them to the preferenceScreen i guess
Dec 11 06:40:57 <jareddlc> https://gist.github.com/jareddlc/7dded273724233b79715
Dec 11 06:41:33 <jareddlc> so onClick of my listpreference, i start my scan. and im trying to figure out how to get data back to ui
Dec 11 06:41:46 <jareddlc> and im looking at some of gordon_ suggestions right now
Dec 11 06:41:54 <jareddlc> but fist i wanted to store my list of devices
Dec 11 06:42:06 <jareddlc> and now i think i got them accurately
Dec 11 06:42:17 <g00s> :)
Dec 11 06:42:38 <g00s> i forgot what thread LeScanCallback gets called on
Dec 11 06:43:02 <g00s> the docs have some critical info missing XD
Dec 11 06:44:14 <jareddlc> so i have a working handler that i can send data back to UI
Dec 11 06:44:19 <g00s> jareddlc also, don't forget about that bug if you are trying to filter 128-bit UUIDs
Dec 11 06:44:21 <jareddlc> im using it for when i have BT failsure
Dec 11 06:44:32 <jareddlc> :(( never knew about that
Dec 11 06:44:46 <g00s> but hey, they closed it as obsolete :D
Dec 11 06:45:12 <g00s> jareddlc what version of android are you targetting ?
Dec 11 06:45:22 <jareddlc> lemme check i think SDK 18
Dec 11 06:45:41 <jareddlc> yup 18
Dec 11 06:45:55 <g00s> ah, k. yeah you will have to use that then. if you were 20 then go with BluetoothLeScanner
Dec 11 06:46:16 <JakeWharton> docs are open source and there's a bug tracker. if you find something missing, fix it or file it.
Dec 11 06:46:36 <g00s> jareddlc https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=59490
Dec 11 06:46:47 <g00s> already filed, already obsolete
Dec 11 06:47:08 <jareddlc> LOL
Dec 11 06:47:25 <jareddlc> well im making for a specific device, I would need to check what that device has as UUID right?
Dec 11 06:47:51 <g00s> you want the UUID of that device's service, yeah
Dec 11 06:48:31 <jareddlc> when would i need the UUID for it?
Dec 11 06:48:44 <jareddlc> Im assuming to connect i'll just need to device address
Dec 11 06:48:48 <jareddlc> and i have that
Dec 11 06:49:04 <g00s> presumably you know it beforehand. you'll say, start a scan and show me all the devices that have service with UUID = x
Dec 11 06:49:17 <g00s> then the user selects among those devices you had in mind
Dec 11 06:49:31 <jareddlc> oh yeah.. i dont think my logic will be that fancy. it probably should
Dec 11 06:49:38 <jareddlc> but those are improvements
Dec 11 06:49:42 <jareddlc> imo
Dec 11 06:49:50 <g00s> it should, otherwise somebody  might select the toaster when they meant the oven
Dec 11 06:50:03 <jareddlc> agreed
Dec 11 06:50:14 <jareddlc> for now i just want to test my code and connect
Dec 11 06:50:19 <jareddlc> thanks for that point
Dec 11 06:50:21 <jareddlc> i havent thought of it
Dec 11 06:50:27 <niru> I have a small doubt. When I want the ListPreference entryValues to be in integer format I need to mention <integer-array><item></integer-array> ?
Dec 11 06:50:47 <jareddlc> niru:  i think you specify the value in xml
Dec 11 06:50:50 <jareddlc> atleast i have
Dec 11 06:51:07 <g00s> niru i dont think you can use integer format for listPreference
Dec 11 06:51:21 <g00s> you have to use <string-array> and convert it yourself
Dec 11 06:51:35 <jareddlc> here an example of mine niru :  <string-array name="preference_list_time_entries">         <item name="500">Slow</item>
Dec 11 06:52:00 <niru> g00s: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/more-resources.html#IntegerArray
Dec 11 06:52:00 <jareddlc> <string-array name="preference_list_time_values">         <item name="500">500</item>
Dec 11 06:52:03 <jareddlc> and thats the value
Dec 11 06:53:12 <capella-s3> toaster vs. oven over blutooth... ah... the internet of things again
Dec 11 06:53:20 <g00s> niru http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11346916/listpreference-use-string-array-as-entry-and-integer-array-as-entry-values-does
Dec 11 06:53:26 <niru> jareddlc: but that will be of string type
Dec 11 06:53:55 <g00s> capella-s3 stupid smart home stuff
Dec 11 06:54:30 <capella-s3> homer says "stupid inanimate objects"
Dec 11 06:54:59 <jareddlc> niru: yes it will be, but im using as int
Dec 11 06:55:06 <jareddlc> I mean you can type cast
Dec 11 06:55:32 <jareddlc> but i havent used that integer array before sorry
Dec 11 06:55:37 <niru> you mean the sharedpreference can still bind them and send to backend as integers
Dec 11 06:56:11 <capella-s3> I was trying to catch the abstraction train of thought that had an apps users confusing toasters with coffee makers
Dec 11 06:56:52 <capella-s3> gods remote control?
Dec 11 06:57:31 <capella-s3> crap... burnt the unicorns
Dec 11 06:58:05 <g00s> charlie !
Dec 11 06:58:08 <jareddlc> niru: in my sharedpreferece they are also strings
Dec 11 06:59:04 <niru> jareddlc: g00s  thanks.I will also prefer casting string to integer
Dec 11 06:59:49 <jareddlc> you can try with integer-array, it may work, but i cannot confirm
Dec 11 07:01:02 <niru> yep
Dec 11 07:02:19 <jareddlc> hey guys can i send a bluetoothdevice in a bundle?
Dec 11 07:02:39 <jareddlc> all i see from bundle are strings and array of parcables
Dec 11 07:03:09 <jareddlc> hm i guess i could send data in string, comma seperated...
Dec 11 07:03:54 <lasserix> blucep you here?
Dec 11 07:04:04 <lasserix> Anyone recomend library for FAB ?
Dec 11 07:04:18 <JakeWharton> android.widget.Button
Dec 11 07:04:35 <lasserix> doesn't have the shadows and all that
Dec 11 07:04:49 <JakeWharton> what is "all that"
Dec 11 07:04:54 <JakeWharton> shadows are just assets
Dec 11 07:05:23 <lasserix> right if someone has done that already ess work
Dec 11 07:05:38 <lasserix> ie https://github.com/makovkastar/FloatingActionButton
Dec 11 07:06:21 <lasserix> well if it is just shadows, i just wonder why there are at least 3 libraries for it?
Dec 11 07:06:55 <JakeWharton> because people are lazy and dumb
Dec 11 07:09:45 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether any hard-core programmer *doesn't* use Darcula in AS/IntelliJ.
Dec 11 07:09:56 <JakeWharton> of course
Dec 11 07:10:48 <JakeWharton> the correlation between personal preference on color scheme and programming ability is absolutely zero.
Dec 11 07:12:17 <c03> how do I programatically add a shape to a view? I already have the shape defined as a drawable in xml.
Dec 11 07:14:49 <g00s> jareddlc bluetoothdevice is parcelable
Dec 11 07:15:48 <jareddlc> :D
Dec 11 07:16:09 <jareddlc> grrr i didnt notice the 233 others button
Dec 11 07:16:35 <jareddlc> i saw the list and didnt see bluetooth device, but didnt know it was an expandable list LOL
Dec 11 07:16:38 <jareddlc> darn late night
Dec 11 07:16:51 <jareddlc> doesnt help that i was frustrated at work
Dec 11 07:16:59 <jareddlc> with docker being a pain in the butt
Dec 11 07:17:07 <jareddlc> not wanting to bind to a specific IP
Dec 11 07:17:13 <lasserix> c03 set it as the background
Dec 11 07:17:16 <lasserix> or compounddraable
Dec 11 07:17:29 <g00s> remember BluetoothDevice is a proxy. stuff can change behind your back ;)
Dec 11 07:17:39 <g00s> like the name of the device
Dec 11 07:18:01 <g00s> equality is based on the mac address though
Dec 11 07:18:45 <TacticalJoke> dbrosyth:  They posted about you on Reddit.
Dec 11 07:19:00 <capella-s3> uh oh
Dec 11 07:19:02 <TacticalJoke> Never mind; you know.
Dec 11 07:19:08 <dbrosyth> haha
Dec 11 07:20:32 <c03> lasserix: the shape isn't showing up, I can see there's space allocated for it now though
Dec 11 07:21:00 <TacticalJoke> dbrosyth:  Are you making an Android app for Reddit?
Dec 11 07:21:21 <dbrosyth> who knows vOv
Dec 11 07:21:24 <TacticalJoke> Y'all might put me out of business.  ;o
Dec 11 07:21:34 <TacticalJoke> (Metaphorically.  It's gonna be free.)
Dec 11 07:21:38 <dbrosyth> we'd never do that
Dec 11 07:21:41 <TacticalJoke> :D
Dec 11 07:21:50 <TacticalJoke> I guess this could mean cool things for the Reddit API.
Dec 11 07:21:58 <dbrosyth> in fact, part of what drew me to working at reddit was the potential to work with 3rd party devs
Dec 11 07:22:05 <TacticalJoke> Nice.
Dec 11 07:24:00 <TacticalJoke> Everyone's going on about material design in that thread.
Dec 11 07:24:23 <TacticalJoke> Is material design really the thing that reddit clients currently miss?  Seems like a side issue to me.
Dec 11 07:25:13 <TacticalJoke> The key issue I find, in many cases, is the waste of screen estate.
Dec 11 07:25:26 <TacticalJoke> reddit has so much info.  Phones have so little screen space.
Dec 11 07:25:31 <JakeWharton> yes. the ancillary design is absolutely NOT what a reddit client needs
Dec 11 07:26:10 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: you're still thinking about the pager reddit client?
Dec 11 07:26:12 <thepoosh> ?!
Dec 11 07:26:15 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  lol
Dec 11 07:26:22 <dbrosyth> i think they just want stuff that looks good
Dec 11 07:26:23 <thepoosh> this was yesterday
Dec 11 07:26:26 <dbrosyth> and so do i
Dec 11 07:26:28 <thepoosh> how is this still a thing?!
Dec 11 07:26:36 <TacticalJoke> I'm just gonna go with a normal ListView with indents.
Dec 11 07:26:43 <thepoosh> NO!
Dec 11 07:26:47 <thepoosh> it's already done
Dec 11 07:26:52 <thepoosh> bacon reader and reddit news
Dec 11 07:26:56 <thepoosh> are good enough
Dec 11 07:27:20 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I've not yet used a reddit client that perfectly matches my taste.
Dec 11 07:27:36 <JakeWharton> calling something "good enough" is a function of them not being good enough
Dec 11 07:27:37 <thepoosh> does the RES match your needs?
Dec 11 07:27:50 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: I very much like bacon reader
Dec 11 07:27:57 <TacticalJoke> RES isn't bad.
Dec 11 07:28:06 <thepoosh> and reddit news has material design and some nuce scrolling
Dec 11 07:28:07 <g00s> is there a narwhal reader ?
Dec 11 07:28:09 <TacticalJoke> Though you have to pay to remove ads.
Dec 11 07:28:16 <thepoosh> yeah
Dec 11 07:28:32 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: don't you use adBlock?
Dec 11 07:28:39 <TacticalJoke> I think JakeWharton will end up liking mine.  It'll optimize for content access.  It won't be ugly, but it won't have flashy animations or whatever.  :)
Dec 11 07:28:43 <thepoosh> g00s: narwhakl?
Dec 11 07:28:45 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, thepoosh.
Dec 11 07:28:59 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: I will use it
Dec 11 07:29:05 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I mean on BaconReader.
Dec 11 07:29:07 <thepoosh> because I care!
Dec 11 07:29:19 <TacticalJoke> BaconReader has ads unless you pay, doesn't it?
Dec 11 07:29:25 <thepoosh> yes
Dec 11 07:29:36 <thepoosh> also it doesn't have an image caching mechanism
Dec 11 07:29:36 <TacticalJoke> I uninstalled it almost instantly for that reason.  My screen is tiny; ads make it tinier.
Dec 11 07:29:38 <JakeWharton> BaconReader is good. If it was 2012.
Dec 11 07:29:38 <thepoosh> which sucs
Dec 11 07:30:01 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: if it wasn't for the caching it would be perfect for me
Dec 11 07:30:07 <TacticalJoke> Doesn't cache images?  Hmm.
Dec 11 07:30:08 <thepoosh> the VewiPager view is very good
Dec 11 07:30:26 <g00s> the reddit website itself is so 2007
Dec 11 07:30:32 <thepoosh> the moment I'll find a better client that has a view pager scroller I'll pass to it
Dec 11 07:30:40 <thepoosh> g00s: still better than 4chan
Dec 11 07:30:54 <TacticalJoke> reddit's mobile site could do with a lot of work.  I guess they would rather go to apps, though.
Dec 11 07:30:55 <g00s> thepoosh actually i keep getting these 'oops, we took too long to serve this page'
Dec 11 07:31:15 <thepoosh> that sucks
Dec 11 07:31:18 <JakeWharton> g00s: shedding load is a good strategy on their part
Dec 11 07:31:35 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: maybe but scaling is a big issue for them
Dec 11 07:31:46 <thepoosh> I thought the new round of investment would help fix that
Dec 11 07:31:51 <TacticalJoke> I think they've gotten a lot better over the years.
Dec 11 07:32:01 <TacticalJoke> Though lately I've been seeing that page quite a lot.
Dec 11 07:32:08 <thepoosh> same here
Dec 11 07:32:13 <JakeWharton> if they didn't shed load it would be 10x worse
Dec 11 07:32:16 <JakeWharton> or more
Dec 11 07:32:30 <thepoosh> they had a spam attack of subreddits and posts a few days ago
Dec 11 07:33:45 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2ovpmb/reddit_was_hit_with_massive_accountsubreddit/
Dec 11 07:33:47 <TacticalJoke> I'm thinking of having the ability to collapse comment trees *and* the ability to collapse a comment body (in which case children aren't collapsed), but it's hard to imagine how to do the latter without introducing confusion or ugliness.
Dec 11 07:34:10 <thepoosh> the whole setup is already confusing
Dec 11 07:34:17 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I agree.
Dec 11 07:34:36 <TacticalJoke> I've tried to introduce a few people to reddit, and they just got confused.
Dec 11 07:34:43 <TacticalJoke> It's not a hugely simple concept.
Dec 11 07:35:03 <JakeWharton> designing a reddit reader would be a great UX interview question
Dec 11 07:35:06 <TacticalJoke> Damn, that's some traffic.
Dec 11 07:35:22 <thepoosh> yep
Dec 11 07:35:33 <thepoosh> JakeWharton: I will suggest that to our product department
Dec 11 07:35:43 <g00s> reddit and HN discussion threads are so hard to read. fucking usenet was better
Dec 11 07:35:54 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: RES made reddit barely understandable to me
Dec 11 07:35:54 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I loved Usenet.
Dec 11 07:36:04 <TacticalJoke> I'm gonna draw on that experience for this client.
Dec 11 07:36:22 <TacticalJoke> The collapsing comments in something like Agent were awesome.
Dec 11 07:36:46 <TacticalJoke> HN and Slashdot are very difficult to follow, IMO.
Dec 11 07:36:51 <TacticalJoke> reddit gets collapsing right.
Dec 11 07:37:51 <TacticalJoke> From what I saw, most reddit clients don't allow easy collapsing comments.  In the best case, you had to toggle a setting so that clicking a comment would collapse it.
Dec 11 07:37:53 <TacticalJoke> To me, that is insane.
Dec 11 07:37:58 <TacticalJoke> easily*
Dec 11 07:38:07 <TacticalJoke> Surely collapsing should be the primary action?
Dec 11 07:38:38 <TacticalJoke> Am I just weird, or is collapsing fundamental to following a discussion?  (Though, to be fair, "jumping" to posts might be another manner.)
Dec 11 07:38:48 <jareddlc> hmm g00s i dont think what i wanted worked.
Dec 11 07:39:04 <g00s> TacticalJoke maybe you can hit the academic research on data vis / discussion threads
Dec 11 07:39:16 <jareddlc> i think i'll try to on click return false. so it doesnt open the listpreference view. and on message, hopefully open it there?
Dec 11 07:39:18 <TacticalJoke> Ya, that might be worth doing.
Dec 11 07:39:36 <TacticalJoke> I also wanna try every kind of discussion hierarchy navigation.
Dec 11 07:39:41 <jareddlc> TacticalJoke: reddit just hired android engineer
Dec 11 07:39:44 <jareddlc> finall*
Dec 11 07:39:46 <jareddlc> finally *
Dec 11 07:39:55 <TacticalJoke> Right.  He's in this channel right now.  :)
Dec 11 07:40:15 <jareddlc> xD didnt know
Dec 11 07:40:54 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57033892.jpg
Dec 11 07:40:59 <TacticalJoke> Do you guys like comments to collapse upon tapping?  Just curious.
Dec 11 07:41:11 <thepoosh> yes
Dec 11 07:41:13 <jareddlc> TacticalJoke: or?
Dec 11 07:41:14 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: how do you upvote/downvote comments then?
Dec 11 07:41:16 <TacticalJoke> I've never seen that cartoon.  lol
Dec 11 07:41:16 <thepoosh> it helps fast scrolling
Dec 11 07:41:23 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  I'm not sure.  Maybe long-press.
Dec 11 07:41:29 <thepoosh> swipe?
Dec 11 07:41:35 <JakeWharton> neither is discoverable
Dec 11 07:41:36 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: futurama
Dec 11 07:41:41 <thepoosh>  watch it!
Dec 11 07:41:41 <TacticalJoke> Right.  Swiping is another way (but it's not hugely discoverable).
Dec 11 07:41:47 <jareddlc> I use reddit is fun daily
Dec 11 07:41:54 <jareddlc> ontop it bring down submenu...
Dec 11 07:42:03 <jareddlc> i personally would like to see ontop bring up comments
Dec 11 07:42:09 <jareddlc> noClick*
Dec 11 07:42:34 <TacticalJoke> I dismissed vote buttons, since that takes too much screen space.
Dec 11 07:42:36 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGi6Q1pNbS0
Dec 11 07:42:42 <TacticalJoke> I actually haven't implemented voting yet.  lol
Dec 11 07:43:13 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I see.  lol
Dec 11 07:43:17 <thepoosh> yep
Dec 11 07:46:32 <TacticalJoke> What if, the first time the user taps a comment, some kind of message appears: "Long-press to see options such as Upvote/Downvote/Save".  This never appears again.
Dec 11 07:46:40 <TacticalJoke> I dislike tutorials, though.
Dec 11 07:46:46 <TacticalJoke> Usually means the UI fails.
Dec 11 07:46:50 <TacticalJoke> Well, not usually.  Sometimes.
Dec 11 07:47:30 <jareddlc> can i forcefully open a listpreference?
Dec 11 07:48:40 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: if your usability customised, you should probably have coach-marks on the first run ever
Dec 11 07:48:56 <thepoosh> customised or customized?
Dec 11 07:49:25 <TacticalJoke> I, being English, would say 'customised'.
Dec 11 07:49:25 <jareddlc> US is customized i believe
Dec 11 07:50:19 <TacticalJoke> I guess my goal is to make the UI so incredibly obvious that no such thing is needed.  But small screens make that difficult.
Dec 11 07:50:26 <thepoosh> fucking macbook is from England
Dec 11 07:50:34 <thepoosh> and it's constantly cofusing me
Dec 11 07:50:39 <thepoosh> confusing
Dec 11 07:51:15 <TacticalJoke> If screens were a little bigger, showing a collapse/expand button would be justifiable.  But I don't think that'd work out in reality.
Dec 11 07:51:26 <TacticalJoke> That's also noise.
Dec 11 07:52:08 <thepoosh> you can always have different layouts for tablets and stupid devices such as the Samsung Galaxy Mega
Dec 11 07:52:32 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I'm actually not sure what to do about tablets.  I guess I should show two panes in widescreen.
Dec 11 07:52:33 <thepoosh> which is for people with small penises
Dec 11 07:52:44 <TacticalJoke> But honestly I just use a single pane when reading Reddit on my tablet.
Dec 11 07:53:04 <thepoosh> maybe show a webview/image for one and comments for the other
Dec 11 07:53:19 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that's a cool idea.
Dec 11 07:53:27 <thepoosh> top half is the post, bottom is for comments
Dec 11 07:53:56 <TacticalJoke> That sounds better than the obvious [post list] [post] thing.
Dec 11 07:54:20 <thepoosh> yep
Dec 11 07:54:29 <thepoosh> I was thinking of this perticular use-case
Dec 11 07:54:34 <thepoosh> *particular
Dec 11 07:55:31 <jareddlc> alright guys, just pushed and calling it a night.
Dec 11 07:55:39 <jareddlc> thanks for the help
Dec 11 07:55:57 <thepoosh> jareddlc: it's 09:55 AM here
Dec 11 07:56:00 <thepoosh> no sleep yet
Dec 11 07:56:24 <jareddlc> hahaha 11:56 here
Dec 11 07:56:29 <jareddlc> PM
Dec 11 07:56:30 <jareddlc> xD
Dec 11 07:56:44 <thepoosh> california is strange
Dec 11 07:56:47 <thepoosh> gn
Dec 11 07:56:57 <jareddlc> we have a storm that support to hit tommorow
Dec 11 07:57:04 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  Where are you?
Dec 11 07:57:07 <thepoosh> IL
Dec 11 07:57:17 <jareddlc> may not sound like much, but suppose to get up to 3-4inch of rain
Dec 11 07:57:20 <thepoosh> Jerusalem
Dec 11 07:57:33 <thepoosh> jareddlc: that is a lot of rain
Dec 11 07:57:37 <thepoosh> for us
Dec 11 07:57:57 <jareddlc> i honestly dont know what alot is :)
Dec 11 07:58:12 <jareddlc> i just know, if it rains by moring. it will take me like 1.5hr to get to work due to traffic
Dec 11 07:58:19 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Dec 11 07:58:23 <thepoosh> http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/California/average-yearly-city-precipitation.php
Dec 11 07:58:28 <jareddlc> usually 40mins
Dec 11 07:58:36 <thepoosh> jareddlc: no subway?
Dec 11 07:58:46 <jareddlc> not in my city
Dec 11 07:58:51 <jareddlc> im near san francisco
Dec 11 07:59:00 <jareddlc> they have a "subway" and train
Dec 11 07:59:14 <jareddlc> we only get a train, but i enjoy driving too much
Dec 11 07:59:15 <jareddlc> :D
Dec 11 07:59:23 <jareddlc> i have a little honda s2000
Dec 11 07:59:30 <jareddlc> its quick and nimble
Dec 11 08:02:14 <jareddlc> alright take it easy everybody
Dec 11 08:16:35 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking: generally, with a reddit client, clicking a post will open that post.  Long-clicking is needed for other options (e.g., upvoting).
Dec 11 08:16:38 <TacticalJoke> I think, anyway.
Dec 11 08:16:53 <TacticalJoke> It seems that long-clicking could be a consistent "upvote" thing.
Dec 11 08:16:59 <TacticalJoke> Though I would need a way to make it discoverable.
Dec 11 08:21:34 <thepoosh> maybe add a drawable on one of the sides indicating that swipe is availabe
Dec 11 08:21:49 <thepoosh> also, you need to indicate duplicate content
Dec 11 08:22:00 <thepoosh> for repostes
Dec 11 08:22:55 <TacticalJoke> Nice idea on the drawable.  Though I'd be reluctant if it created visual clutter.  Hmm.
Dec 11 08:23:14 <thepoosh> not something big
Dec 11 08:23:21 <thepoosh> like 2 lines
Dec 11 08:23:36 <thepoosh> or have all of them wipe back and forth on entry
Dec 11 08:24:53 <TacticalJoke> Is there any option other than swiping/long-pressing?
Dec 11 08:25:00 <thepoosh> hmmm
Dec 11 08:25:04 <thepoosh> card layout
Dec 11 08:25:10 <thepoosh> with a small three dot menu
Dec 11 08:25:23 <thepoosh> quick action menu
Dec 11 08:25:42 <TacticalJoke> Oh, man, I hate cards.  :D
Dec 11 08:25:45 <TacticalJoke> At least for Reddit.
Dec 11 08:25:52 <thepoosh> they are not suitable
Dec 11 08:25:57 <TacticalJoke> Ya.
Dec 11 08:26:04 <thepoosh> if you can think of a way to open a quick action menu
Dec 11 08:26:08 <thepoosh> like the twitter one
Dec 11 08:26:11 <TacticalJoke> Like, I wanna see six or more comments at a time on a tiny screen.
Dec 11 08:26:23 <thepoosh> how tiny?
Dec 11 08:26:29 <TacticalJoke> 4".
Dec 11 08:26:30 <TacticalJoke> I guess.
Dec 11 08:26:47 <TacticalJoke> Does Twitter show a menu on a single-click?
Dec 11 08:27:11 <TacticalJoke> Oh, they have buttons.
Dec 11 08:27:25 <TacticalJoke> God, I hated those buttons.
Dec 11 08:27:26 <TacticalJoke> So tiny.
Dec 11 08:27:48 <TacticalJoke> And I accidentally clicked them so many times while trying to scroll.
Dec 11 08:28:27 <thepoosh> I don't use twitter so I don't care
Dec 11 08:28:32 <thepoosh> just reddit and fb
Dec 11 08:28:50 <thepoosh> and occasionally 9gag that makes me gag
Dec 11 08:29:03 <thepoosh> which is funny because it's true
Dec 11 08:32:59 <ki9a>  Out-of-order method_idx for annotation: 687 then 687
Dec 11 08:33:06 <ki9a> Anyone have an idea where I should start looking for that error?
Dec 11 08:33:21 <Agamemnus> weird
Dec 11 08:33:47 <TacticalJoke> Whoa.
Dec 11 08:34:05 <TacticalJoke> Wait, never mind.
Dec 11 08:34:13 <TacticalJoke> I take back my 'whoa'.  Thought I'd discovered something.
Dec 11 08:35:50 <capella-s3> build time error?
Dec 11 08:36:15 <ki9a> dexopt install type error
Dec 11 08:36:42 <ki9a> time*
Dec 11 08:39:29 <capella-s3> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40409?
Dec 11 08:40:31 <ki9a> I'm not using jumbo. I emitted the jar myself (non javac) but it dx compiles fine. dexdump/install fails with that error
Dec 11 08:40:42 <ki9a> ofc since dexdump fails I cna't find out what method 0x687 is
Dec 11 08:55:43 <ki9a> Ah!
Dec 11 08:55:48 <ki9a> two methods with the exact same signature.
Dec 11 09:06:19 <thepoosh> ki9a: that will not compile
Dec 11 09:06:45 <ki9a> thepoosh: It's not javac that compiled it. My own compiler managed to do that. Just needed to find out what caused it.
Dec 11 09:14:43 <thepoosh> mmmmkay
Dec 11 09:15:24 <ki9a> thepoosh: the issue really was finding what the problem was in the first place; the error was vague
Dec 11 09:16:50 <capella-s3> "my own compiler"?
Dec 11 09:17:25 <ki9a> sure
Dec 11 09:19:21 <Agamemnus> does anyone have an experia phone they can help me test with for like 2 min?
Dec 11 09:19:31 <Agamemnus> just need to know if my game works or not
Dec 11 09:20:32 <thepoosh> Agamemnus: which expiria? I have some
Dec 11 09:20:58 <Agamemnus> thepoosh: any i guess
Dec 11 09:21:03 <thepoosh> ok
Dec 11 09:21:06 <Agamemnus> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flyingsoft.safari.jigsaw.free
Dec 11 09:21:06 <thepoosh> I have!
Dec 11 09:21:11 <thepoosh> hmmmmm
Dec 11 09:21:11 <Agamemnus> can you download this and run it
Dec 11 09:21:17 <Agamemnus> and tell me if it is a green screen
Dec 11 09:21:20 <Agamemnus> is all
Dec 11 09:21:31 <thepoosh> Agamemnus: can you send me an apk via email?
Dec 11 09:21:33 <Agamemnus> and maybe run it a second time and see if the second time works
Dec 11 09:21:44 <Agamemnus> ?
Dec 11 09:21:55 <Agamemnus> why can't you use the play store?
Dec 11 09:22:00 <_genuser_> anyone seen this issue? preferenceFragment, changing a ListPreference (dynamically generated), added a listener with setOnPreferenceChangeListener, and the preference doens't get changed.
Dec 11 09:22:07 <_genuser_> without the listener it gets changed.
Dec 11 09:22:08 <thepoosh> it's a qa device
Dec 11 09:22:30 <Agamemnus> no play store connection?
Dec 11 09:22:41 <Agamemnus> ok
Dec 11 09:22:41 <Agamemnus> yeah
Dec 11 09:22:48 <Agamemnus> i'll send you a link
Dec 11 09:23:36 <Agamemnus> but you'll need to set up an obb directory
Dec 11 09:25:48 <Ankhwatcher> Good Morning
Dec 11 09:33:09 <sarbyn> Hi to all! Has anybody used any AudioEffects in his application, like NoiseSuppressor or AEC?
Dec 11 09:33:16 <capella-s3> oh cool...  http://osxr.org/android/source/dalvik/libdex/DexSwapVerify.cpp#1091
Dec 11 09:33:56 <capella-s3> ki9a: til ;)
Dec 11 09:35:06 <ki9a> capella-s3: yeah I found it. it doesn't really scream "duplicate method!"
Dec 11 09:35:08 <ki9a> :)
Dec 11 09:39:45 <_genuser_> geez, how hard is it to do a preferences screen. this one's taken me 3 days and still buggy and incomplete.
Dec 11 09:42:33 <_genuser_> finally, a working complete routine. now to cut/paste and pay attention and complete the rest of the screen!!
Dec 11 09:42:36 <_genuser_> huzzah!
Dec 11 09:43:10 <LiterallyElvis> Man, I've been trying to build the simplest app ever for the last week, and it is literally making me lose faith in humanity.
Dec 11 09:43:26 <capella-s3> dalvik internals...  now that's android dev
Dec 11 09:43:26 <aaearon> why all of humanity and not just in yourself
Dec 11 09:43:47 <LiterallyElvis> lost all remaining faith in myself a LONG time ago
Dec 11 09:44:35 <capella-s3> as a member of humanity I refuse to be blamed for that
Dec 11 09:44:47 <LiterallyElvis> that's fair to refuse
Dec 11 09:47:18 <_genuser_> hey, I haven't even published my app yet. you can't just up and "lose" faith where ever and whenever you feel like it.
Dec 11 09:49:50 <gordon_> _genuser_: what preferences ?
Dec 11 09:53:23 <_genuser_> gordon_: sharedpreferences. it's fixed now. I just had to take out lot of extra code that wasn't doing anything but preventing proper saving of values.
Dec 11 09:58:57 <lasserix> Anyone know the link to the new wear api/features?
Dec 11 10:01:07 <gordon_> _genuser_: it's like... 5 lines of code maybe ?
Dec 11 10:05:09 <_genuser_> gordon_: now that I what's involved, it sure is. :)
Dec 11 10:05:51 <_genuser_> gordon_: I have a list of preferences all ListPreferences. So basically I have to initialize about 10 listprefs with dynamic data, error checking to see my list reading code is not out of bounds etc.
Dec 11 10:06:20 <_genuser_> it's just lot of repetitive stuff. and I think I spent lot of time trying to avoid repetitive tasks and organize teh code in a way that would be easier to maintain.
Dec 11 10:07:37 <Mrdarknezz> I'm having some troubles with google GCM notifications not getting to my app
Dec 11 10:07:46 <Mrdarknezz> Sometimes they do sometimes they don't
Dec 11 10:09:07 <Mrdarknezz> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d0d591c46079dbc296b7
Dec 11 10:11:52 <slmb> does somebody know how to get rid of the padding I've highlighted in red around the up navigation icon? http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/439282actionbar.png
Dec 11 10:12:32 <slmb> the icon itself has no padding, it's just the arrow
Dec 11 10:13:00 <lasserix> change the icon
Dec 11 10:13:04 <JuiceSSH> Mrdarknezz: The folks at pushbullet did a good blog post about improving GCM reliability:
Dec 11 10:13:07 <JuiceSSH> Mrdarknezz: https://blog.pushbullet.com/2014/02/12/keeping-google-cloud-messaging-for-android-working-reliably-techincal-post/
Dec 11 10:13:14 <slmb> lasserix, this is my custom icon
Dec 11 10:13:27 <lasserix> does the arrow tip touch the edge of the img?
Dec 11 10:13:32 <slmb> yes
Dec 11 10:13:42 <slmb> there are no border in my icon
Dec 11 10:14:39 <lasserix> idk google either get a ref to the icon change the padding, change the icon  or the margins
Dec 11 10:15:15 <slmb> yeah I tried all of this but couldn't make it work, I hoped somebody here might have succeeded
Dec 11 10:15:39 <Mrdarknezz> JuiceSSH: Thanks!
Dec 11 10:15:47 <_genuser_> argh, now I think it would be better to stick this PreferenceFragment into a dialog and not an activity.
Dec 11 10:15:56 <JuiceSSH> Mrdarknezz: np :)
Dec 11 10:17:24 <MalekAlrwily> Hi
Dec 11 10:17:43 <MalekAlrwily> Is it possible to use LVL in server-side?
Dec 11 10:20:51 <lasserix> Is there a way to deploy to all ?
Dec 11 10:28:14 <lasserix> as a pattern, if i am designing for phone and tablet, I have some edit texts to input data
Dec 11 10:28:49 <lasserix> in fact i have three eidt texts and title, which take up say 5% of the screen on the tablet, and 15% on the phone, should i increase the size of them on the tablet?
Dec 11 10:41:13 <lasserix> windowActionBarOverlay?
Dec 11 10:52:56 <makani> I have implemented a custom PreferenceFragment where I start a new activity. How can I get catch up the result from this activity within my PreferenceFragment
Dec 11 11:00:23 <lasserix> Is the windowContentOverlay bug still present?
Dec 11 11:06:49 <lasserix> if i use app compat i don't need values-21?
Dec 11 11:07:29 <_genuser_> heh, I figure most people won't even be on api level 21.
Dec 11 11:12:25 <Odaym> I'm making an app that's strictly 21
Dec 11 11:12:26 <_genuser_> gee, I hate reading/writing sharedprefs all over teh application. I should just code a simple obj that does it so I can re-use it all over.
Dec 11 11:12:29 <Odaym> :)
Dec 11 11:12:35 <Odaym> been working on it for like 2 weeks now
Dec 11 11:12:50 <_genuser_> oh, strictly 21? what does it use from 21 that isn't downwards compatible? or is it just for kicks?
Dec 11 11:14:31 <lasserix> is there a shadow under the title bar odaym on 21?
Dec 11 11:14:55 <Odaym> yes
Dec 11 11:15:11 <lasserix> not tool bar but title bar
Dec 11 11:15:49 <Odaym> I'll upload it for you
Dec 11 11:16:08 <lasserix> ahh there is
Dec 11 11:16:10 <lasserix> damn okay
Dec 11 11:16:21 <bluecup> hello people, how y’all doing? :)
Dec 11 11:17:04 <c03> hello bluecup!
Dec 11 11:17:21 <c03> awful, I'm going insane trying to add a simple shape to a view
Dec 11 11:19:32 <bluecup> c03, what’s screwing with you there? :O
Dec 11 11:20:32 <bluecup> my blue cup needs coffee :(
Dec 11 11:20:34 <c03> it's not appearing. my code is starting to look like a mad mans desperate grasp for sanity
Dec 11 11:20:41 <Odaym> add only one radius
Dec 11 11:20:47 <Odaym> pro tip!
Dec 11 11:20:48 <Odaym> lol
Dec 11 11:21:35 <_genuser_> james kirk, FTW!!!
Dec 11 11:22:03 <c03> here is the sexy shape http://imgur.com/X6bJnCX
Dec 11 11:22:29 <Odaym> that's a disk not a ring
Dec 11 11:22:31 <_genuser_> c03: lol, my code is pretty similar. ramblings of a distracted coder.
Dec 11 11:22:36 <Odaym> see STROKE_FILL and other properties
Dec 11 11:23:20 <Odaym> I dont think a ring is filled usually, and just add circle as the shape, I didnt even know ring existed
Dec 11 11:23:28 <asfdd> don't you talk about stroking! this is a family friendly channel!
Dec 11 11:23:30 <Odaym> you can have a ring by unfilling the inside of a circle
Dec 11 11:23:32 <c03> here's the code that should create happy days and joy for all: http://imgur.com/ZWGMJim
Dec 11 11:23:59 <Odaym> why isn't that in XML?
Dec 11 11:24:30 <Odaym> well it can be code of course P
Dec 11 11:24:31 <Odaym> :P
Dec 11 11:24:31 <_genuser_> quite annoying, intermittently my app just crashes on launching the preferenceFragment.
Dec 11 11:24:56 <Odaym> probably got something it couldnt find the ID of
Dec 11 11:25:39 <c03> Odaym: wat?
Dec 11 11:25:40 <_genuser_> it's hard to fix it, it the screen launches just fine most of the time. but 1 in 30 times it just force closes.
Dec 11 11:25:55 <_genuser_> makes it sound as if things aren't being initializes as tightly as they should.
Dec 11 11:28:09 <Odaym> oh I thought c03 was _genuser_
Dec 11 11:28:10 <Odaym> sorry
Dec 11 11:29:00 <c03> anyway, nothing is appearing
Dec 11 11:29:03 <Odaym> hey brah?
Dec 11 11:29:12 <Odaym> take a break, http://imgur.com/gallery/j7xDP
Dec 11 11:30:26 <_genuser_> ugh, my PreferenceActivity is not more code-ous than my main activity.
Dec 11 11:30:33 <_genuser_> s/not/now/
Dec 11 11:36:09 <_genuser_> lol, "Mr. Sulu, you may indulge yourself!"
Dec 11 11:37:29 <capella-s3> sets direction to hooker nebula
Dec 11 11:38:41 <lasserix_> how to use TintWidgets?
Dec 11 11:38:45 <lasserix_> i get inflate error
Dec 11 11:39:23 <bluecup> capella-s3 “to their Hoe planet! …umm…home planet!”
Dec 11 11:40:19 <c03> JESUS FUCK
Dec 11 11:40:30 <_genuser_>   there is a hoe planet?
Dec 11 11:40:31 <c03> Stay away from shape="ring" as if it was ebola
Dec 11 11:41:12 <bluecup> lasserix_: TintWidgets? You mean tinting widgets or is it a custom class?
Dec 11 11:41:20 <lasserix_> TintEditText
Dec 11 11:41:28 <lasserix_> Binary XML file line #43: Error inflating class TintEditText
Dec 11 11:41:33 <bluecup> _genuser_ yep, we livin’ on it :)
Dec 11 11:41:41 <lasserix_> do i have to set the accent color or something?
Dec 11 11:42:45 <codeme> The app is crash at com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit.main(ZygoteInit.java:694) only on Lolypop, anyone the same problem?
Dec 11 11:43:11 <_genuser_> bluecup: kirk, kirstie alley, and few others.... sounds like a good movie.
Dec 11 11:43:14 <bluecup> lasserix_ : yeah,they are tinted using the accent color in style
Dec 11 11:43:44 <bluecup> _genuser_ if seven of nine is there, I’m all for it <3
Dec 11 11:44:01 <_genuser_> bluecup: this is a little before her time.
Dec 11 11:44:33 <bluecup> _genuser_  well, the Borg have traveled back to the first contact, so they can make up some plot wormhole :D
Dec 11 11:45:12 <_genuser_> bluecup: in a new movie sure. but not in old ones. :)
Dec 11 11:45:31 <_genuser_> and kirstie alley has gained a little.... fuel since those days....
Dec 11 11:46:49 <bluecup> _genuser_ and she lost about 20 lbs of it, it was on some page today
Dec 11 11:47:22 <_genuser_> she's fluctuating, but obviously due to age, etc, can't get back to her old days....
Dec 11 11:49:54 <bluecup> man, the plastic surgeons can do anything these days :)
Dec 11 11:52:43 <_genuser_> well, she's still good looking. If Shatner and others make another movie and kirstie and seven of nine play some role, I guess that wouldn't be a bad movie after all.
Dec 11 11:56:22 <bluecup> and JJ cuts down on the lens flare, yeah :D
Dec 11 11:58:09 <vegetablesalad19> Could anyone pleas point me to some article about how to pass custom data to gradle build script - that I can use later in app.
Dec 11 11:58:34 <Marlinski> how can i get my Application instance from within another class ?
Dec 11 11:58:59 <Marlinski> I have an object MyApp extends Application and I set android:name in my manifest <application>
Dec 11 11:59:07 <Marlinski> now I would like to call a method of this application
Dec 11 11:59:24 <bluecup> Marlinksi:  create a field mInstance in MyApp, and use a getter for it
Dec 11 11:59:40 <bluecup> a private static field
Dec 11 12:00:01 <Marlinski> yes thanks :)
Dec 11 12:00:22 <bluecup> So it will be just MyApp.getInstance() anywhere you need it, or anywhere you need to use a context but activity might die :)
Dec 11 12:03:12 <Marlinski> bluecup: thank you, I can finally get rid of this Service
Dec 11 12:03:25 <Marlinski> that I have been using only to have access to his context ^^
Dec 11 12:05:47 <bluecup> I’d recommend to read a bit of effective java, it describes a lot of useful patterns like that and builder and many others, will really help you with development :)
Dec 11 12:06:51 <Marlinski> I'm okay, is just that I have been confused with the Android Service but I finally understand it now
Dec 11 12:07:16 <Marlinski> but thank you anyway :]
Dec 11 12:12:28 <lasserix_> where is javadoc on github repos?
Dec 11 12:15:48 <phyzloc> has anyone heard of the phrase "agnostic feature"?
Dec 11 12:16:06 <phyzloc> What does it mean?
Dec 11 12:20:24 <lasserix_> dont care whether its there
Dec 11 12:37:09 <lasserix_> how do i use tintedittext? what other than normal xml attributes do i need to set?
Dec 11 12:50:10 <Geniusgeek> hi guys
Dec 11 12:50:33 <Geniusgeek> i just started material design and its beautiful.
Dec 11 12:50:57 <c03> good on you! =)
Dec 11 12:52:29 <Geniusgeek> ya. the Menus, dialogs etc are amazing
Dec 11 12:54:22 <t2mkn> How to stop "Unfortunately, licence checker has stopped." message in emulator ?
Dec 11 13:01:01 <Geniusgeek> hey guys i need help with UI design for my app. Im trying to develop an emergency alert and notification system called EARS using android material design
Dec 11 13:01:26 <ahulr> i am facing a problem in an app which a published few months back. After the installation, the user has to manually go on the playstore to enable it in order to access it. It is disabled by default. Please Help guys.!!!
Dec 11 13:01:58 <c03> Geniusgeek: just state your question about the design, show what you got, show what you need.
Dec 11 13:04:04 <Geniusgeek> how do i convert a UI designed by someone to xml
Dec 11 13:04:46 <c03> you simple write the components to make it look like the design
Dec 11 13:06:05 <c03> there's no image recognition tool that will magically create layouts from image files, as far as I know of. If you do happen to find one though, please let me know and I can slack off more at work
Dec 11 13:06:05 <Geniusgeek> do you mean create an xml drawable by hand?
Dec 11 13:06:31 <c03> yessir, or use the drag n' drop designer thingy
Dec 11 13:07:59 <Geniusgeek> i just downloaded ExportKitSuit and im trying to use it. i guess its the only tool that i just found
Dec 11 13:10:53 <Odaym> what's it do
Dec 11 13:11:59 <Geniusgeek> it attempts to create drawables for your design
Dec 11 13:12:16 <Odaym> what do you feed it
Dec 11 13:12:55 <Odaym> oh nvm
Dec 11 13:12:59 <Geniusgeek> photoshop design
Dec 11 13:13:05 <Odaym> yea good luck
Dec 11 13:13:06 <Odaym> lel
Dec 11 13:13:45 <Odaym> let's see the video
Dec 11 13:13:50 * Odaym sees the video
Dec 11 13:15:17 <Odaym> that's pretty impressive
Dec 11 13:16:36 <Odaym> the final output is accurate as I'm seeing. but I really would not like to go into that XML file and look at what has been generated
Dec 11 13:16:51 <c03> yea
Dec 11 13:17:19 <Odaym> see there are a lot of ways to achieve one layout, you will sort of be stuck with how they chose to tackle the layouts that you gave them, they might use all Linear...they might use Relative with 10 redundant properties in each element
Dec 11 13:17:25 <oddalot> does it make sense to put all my methods that interact with the database in the same IntentService? That was no two transactions can happen at the same time.
Dec 11 13:18:03 <Odaym> and don't forget the ID's assigned to each of the elements, you're going to have to read through the whole XML to be able to identify which element is which, depending on what properties it has
Dec 11 13:20:25 <Geniusgeek> u guys might be right
Dec 11 13:20:52 <Odaym> just take the time to learn some things that you need to get started, and start
Dec 11 13:21:01 <Odaym> its not hard
Dec 11 13:21:57 <Geniusgeek> you are right. but im not a designer and i dont know how to use photoshop well, what do you guys recommend?
Dec 11 13:23:15 <Odaym> all you need to figure out is a way to click on a thing in PS, and be able to save that thing as a png on its own
Dec 11 13:24:15 <Odaym> I think its Click > Gets highlighted in layers on the bottom right > Right click on what got highlighted > Select Pixels > Cut > New > Paste > Ctrl + Shift + Alt + S to Save for Web
Dec 11 13:24:49 <Odaym> when you cut, the New File will take the dimensions of what's in the clipboard at that time
Dec 11 13:25:02 <Odaym> so you wont end up with a huge white screen and your little image in the center, it will be as big as the image
Dec 11 13:25:43 <Odaym> take that and make different sizes of it if you want, place them in their respective directories under the res/ directory of your project
Dec 11 13:26:02 <Odaym> usually I just have 1 version of each image, in high resolution and they're all in hdpi folder :P
Dec 11 13:26:30 <Odaym> depending on which API or depending on the design I can know which folders to populate and which to disregard as they will never be needed
Dec 11 13:29:53 <Geniusgeek> thank you so much.
Dec 11 13:29:54 <Geniusgeek> Therefore for the UI morkup passed in by my UI designer?
Dec 11 13:30:06 <Geniusgeek> i have to slice everything.
Dec 11 13:30:25 <Geniusgeek> and put in drawables folder
Dec 11 13:31:04 <bluecup> @Genisugeek that’s the designers job dude :/
Dec 11 13:32:56 <Odaym> it can be your job
Dec 11 13:33:02 <Odaym> it was my job before
Dec 11 13:33:25 <Odaym> yea well if they are made well (with layers) you just select on screen and on the right you see which layer that is
Dec 11 13:33:34 <Odaym> easy to extract them
Dec 11 13:33:54 <Odaym> not sure if its the actual Slicing that's being done there, it's just cut and paste into a new file and save
Dec 11 13:38:57 <slmb> the only way I found not to have a white screen while my app loads is to set a background attribute to the AppTheme. but then I'd like to remove it programmatically, but I don't know how can I access this property...
Dec 11 13:48:25 <Odaym> you have to set the property "windowBackground" in your AppTheme
Dec 11 13:48:40 <Odaym> that's the one you're setting?
Dec 11 13:48:59 <slmb> no I'm setting android:background, and it works actually...
Dec 11 13:49:12 <slmb> but I'm wondering how to access it programmatically
Dec 11 13:49:14 <Odaym> you need windowBackground
Dec 11 13:49:42 <dzan> thought I'd give it a shot here; https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27424219/android-geofence-exit-intent-contains-no-data
Dec 11 13:49:43 <Odaym> check http://cyrilmottier.com/2013/01/23/android-app-launching-made-gorgeous/
Dec 11 13:50:05 <slmb> okay
Dec 11 13:51:38 <shmooz> slmb: put  getWindow().setBackgroundDrawable(null);  in the beginning of your onCreate
Dec 11 13:59:41 <lasserix_> is there a aniamtion callback for objectanimator?
Dec 11 14:00:04 <Odaym> yea
Dec 11 14:00:06 <Odaym> many
Dec 11 14:00:41 <lasserix_> ahh nm
Dec 11 14:00:42 <lasserix_> yeah
Dec 11 14:00:54 <Haxxa> Anyone who can obtain this apk will recieve 10 internet points - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.tv
Dec 11 14:01:02 <Haxxa> I think its impossible
Dec 11 14:01:21 <Haxxa> plan on decompiling and doing cool stuff with
Dec 11 14:01:35 <Haxxa> but cannot download
Dec 11 14:02:11 <slmb> so it works with windowBackground and setbackgrounddrawable, thank you shmooz and Odaym
Dec 11 14:07:01 <Mavrik> hmm, can I get systrace to show in-app methods as well?
Dec 11 14:09:26 <Odaym> you guys use Crashlytics from the plugin in the IDE only?
Dec 11 14:09:34 <Odaym> or is there some web console that I was not told about
Dec 11 14:09:44 <bluecup> crashlytics.com/dashboard ?
Dec 11 14:09:59 <Odaym> oh
Dec 11 14:10:00 <Odaym> ok
Dec 11 14:10:06 <Odaym> thanks
Dec 11 14:10:57 <bluecup> anyoen used new flurry crash reporting? seems close to crashlytics in quality
Dec 11 14:11:13 <bluecup> and it's really cool that I get flurry stats on the same page
Dec 11 14:11:31 <Odaym> I heard about it from them in an email but didn't go there to check
Dec 11 14:12:30 <lasserix_> If I have 100 textviews, and I setbackground some png  for all of them, does the bitmap of the drawable get allocated inmemory 100x?
Dec 11 14:13:11 <bluecup> lasserix_ nah, it just uses the same reference, but you can check it with memory tool
Dec 11 14:13:23 <bluecup> unless you actually loop 100x = new BitmapFactory yadayada
Dec 11 14:14:12 <bluecup> but this flurry crash is seriously worrying me, I didn’t start crashlytics on a project and now there is apparently 240 errors on 181k sessions. not sure if good or if flurry error
Dec 11 14:17:39 <Odaym> with Flurry you cannot exempt your own device from the reporting, can you
Dec 11 14:17:57 <Odaym> I have seen such unrealistic numbers before
Dec 11 14:18:02 <Odaym> with Flurry I mean
Dec 11 14:21:00 <shekibobo> if I use canvas.drawRect, that draws directly inside of the parent view, so any childviews of that parent would be on top of the drawn rect, right?
Dec 11 14:21:57 <g00s> JesusFreke http://www.gizmag.com/ninebot-one-self-balancing-monowheel/35160/
Dec 11 14:22:08 <lasserix_> bluecup: even if i set it in xml? i feel like the xml constructor of the view will load for each textview the bitmap seperatly
Dec 11 14:22:32 <lasserix_> shekibobo: depends on order you draw it
Dec 11 14:23:32 <bluecup> lasserix_ : Nah, I think it will load it just once then, but try it and analyze the memory
Dec 11 14:23:33 <lasserix_> g00s hmm you going to get one for the holidays>
Dec 11 14:23:51 <g00s> lasserix_ i'd probably kill myself :)
Dec 11 14:23:53 <lasserix_> bluecup: heh the reason i asked is cause after i did that my gc jumped 10 mb
Dec 11 14:24:00 <lasserix_> gc calls
Dec 11 14:25:10 <bluecup> Odaym: but you can control flurry flags depending on current release, I have a custom debug flag usually that sets flurry on or off, and it is turned on only when it goes to store, so I don’t even use it :/
Dec 11 14:25:25 <bluecup> although I’d be happier if those crashes were mine :D
Dec 11 14:25:55 <shekibobo> so if there are child views, and I call super.onDraw(canvas) first, then do my drawRect(), it the drawn rect should be on top of the child views, right?
Dec 11 14:25:56 <bluecup> lasserix_ :  can you set it programatically? you’d have just one instance then :)
Dec 11 14:26:23 <test05> salut les développeurs **j'essaye de tester les commandes irc :D j'ai une application mobile en irc**
Dec 11 14:26:52 <lasserix_> it is nice being able to make api 14 calls without worry
Dec 11 14:27:10 <bluecup> hell yeah it is!
Dec 11 14:27:22 <lasserix_> bluecp yeah I can was just wondering--guess its the xml constructor (c attrs def) for default widgets decodes a fresh instance per
Dec 11 14:32:27 <lasserix_> i am calling objectaniamtor on a textview to fade (it's an error message) but it can get called over and over again (user keeps hitting wrong key, for isntance). It'll work the first time then it fails to work, anyone would know why?
Dec 11 14:34:22 <lasserix_> here be the code http://pastebin.com/rt2mPnpd
Dec 11 14:34:32 <g00s> here be the monstars !
Dec 11 14:34:39 <g00s> arrr
Dec 11 14:34:58 <g00s> how is it going lasserix  :)
Dec 11 14:35:06 <g00s> doh there are 2 of you
Dec 11 14:35:42 <jackhum> I am learning to develope android app , and I have few questions in my mind, I want to clear out here .
Dec 11 14:35:56 <lasserix_> hehe
Dec 11 14:35:57 <lasserix_> good
Dec 11 14:36:00 <lasserix_> about to finish an app
Dec 11 14:36:05 <lasserix_> looks pretty good
Dec 11 14:36:10 <lasserix_> stupid app but solid material design
Dec 11 14:36:10 <g00s> lasserix apps are never "finished" XD XD
Dec 11 14:36:21 <jackhum> lasserix, : you are about to finish .
Dec 11 14:36:30 <lasserix_> no
Dec 11 14:36:31 <lasserix_> i am
Dec 11 14:36:34 <jackhum> I am still learning : // Noob alert
Dec 11 14:36:35 <lasserix_> because i had it off the client
Dec 11 14:36:37 <lasserix_> and voila!
Dec 11 14:36:39 <lasserix_> its over.
Dec 11 14:36:42 <shmooz> lasserix_: which app?
Dec 11 14:36:52 <lasserix_> some kind of lottery number generator
Dec 11 14:36:59 <lasserix_> based on prior winning numbers
Dec 11 14:37:03 <shmooz> oh ok I remember now
Dec 11 14:37:09 <jackhum> I want to develop an app which uses some dictionary
Dec 11 14:37:10 <g00s> lasserix_ lol wut
Dec 11 14:37:26 <lasserix_> pretty lame i guess but i figured it'd be a good way to get familiar with material
Dec 11 14:37:33 <jackhum> do we have free dictionary to include in my app?
Dec 11 14:37:37 <lasserix_> sure
Dec 11 14:37:46 <lasserix_> just look up dictionary lists
Dec 11 14:38:07 <lasserix_> g00s--i dont have enough apps in my 'portfolio" so i figured a stupid app but with a really clean UI would be good to have
Dec 11 14:38:10 <jackhum> lasserix, : what do you mean by dictionary lists?
Dec 11 14:38:19 <lasserix_> you want a dictionary?
Dec 11 14:38:36 <lasserix_> oh sorry i interpretated your question inocrrectly
Dec 11 14:38:44 <jackhum> I want an english dictionary.
Dec 11 14:38:59 <lasserix_> like 5000 words? 10000 words? 50000 words?
Dec 11 14:39:32 <lasserix_> jackhum: http://wordnet.princeton.edu/
Dec 11 14:39:47 <shmooz> jackhum: maybe you want to plug your app into an existing dictionary service API ?
Dec 11 14:39:53 <lasserix_> no pronouns preps cojunctions etc
Dec 11 14:40:26 <jackhum> lasserix_, yeah ,  I already googled it , but i have some questions about it
Dec 11 14:41:06 <lasserix_> well can't help you there
Dec 11 14:41:15 <lasserix_> maybe look into shmooz question
Dec 11 14:41:21 <lasserix_> what do you need this dictionary for?
Dec 11 14:41:39 <jackhum> if i develop and app, and put some ads on it , but sell it on play store for free , does this mean that my app is for commercial use?
Dec 11 14:43:05 <lasserix_> SimonVT: are you here? would you know why calling setAnimation on a view multiple times in a row (not exactly timed equally apart) would cause the animation to fail after the first time it runs?
Dec 11 14:43:34 <jackhum> lasserix_, : i am interested in making a dictionary flash card app
Dec 11 14:43:44 <lasserix_> oh then use an api
Dec 11 14:43:50 <lasserix_> that way you can grab what you need
Dec 11 14:43:58 <lasserix_> in the meantime let the user enter the info
Dec 11 14:43:59 <jackhum> lasserix_, : one that can help me to improve my vocabulary .
Dec 11 14:44:19 <lasserix_> yeah dont worry about a dictionary ATM just make it such that the user enters their own data
Dec 11 14:44:35 <lasserix_> once you get the app running it'll be easy to integrate a dictionary api to look up words to help the user enter data
Dec 11 14:44:57 <jackhum> lasserix_, : do wordweb allows screen scraping ?
Dec 11 14:45:14 <lasserix_> how the BEEP would i know?
Dec 11 14:45:34 <lasserix_> honestly i have no idea
Dec 11 14:45:35 <aaearon> jackhumi know youre looking to create something for a portfolio but if you are also by chance looking to fill a need, Anki is excellent :P
Dec 11 14:45:40 <lasserix_> not even sure whata  wordweb is...
Dec 11 14:46:02 <lasserix_> ++aaearon
Dec 11 14:47:10 <jackhum> what do dictionary api's means when they say commercial use?
Dec 11 14:47:49 <jackhum> what if i use wordweb api , and then put my app on the play store for a dollar ,  will they sue me.
Dec 11 14:48:02 <aaearon> that would be considered commercial use
Dec 11 14:48:05 <jackhum> sorry for being a total noob here
Dec 11 14:48:30 <jackhum> aaearon, : what if i sell app for free , but embed ads on it to generate revenue
Dec 11 14:48:41 <aaearon> that would be considered commercial use
Dec 11 14:48:58 <shmooz> jackhum: find an API with BSD or Apache licence
Dec 11 14:49:16 <jackhum> aaearon, : that means that i would have to put that app for total free on the market?
Dec 11 14:49:31 <aaearon> they may not even like that
Dec 11 14:49:33 <jackhum> shmooz, : do you know any good dictionary api with bsd?
Dec 11 14:49:52 <jackhum> aaearon, : they may not like what?
Dec 11 14:49:57 <shmooz> jackhum: no, I could google it, but you should instead
Dec 11 14:50:46 <aaearon> jackhum what is so hard about this? im guessing they are saying use it only for personal use
Dec 11 14:51:11 <jackhum> aaearon,  : so that mean that i can install that app on only my phone?
Dec 11 14:51:24 <jackhum> aaearon, : I cant even put it on play store for free ?
Dec 11 14:51:35 <lasserix_> bluecup: do you have a solution for the toolbar/actionbar shadow ?
Dec 11 14:51:49 <aaearon> i would email the service with these questions as they are going to be the only ones to accurately answer them
Dec 11 14:52:09 <lasserix_> jackhum: you are being a total noob, you might spend some time googling before asking everything that pops into your head
Dec 11 14:52:49 <jackhum> lasserix_, yeah , i already tried too google them but did't got any good answer
Dec 11 14:53:47 <aaearon> anyone use crashlytics/fabric?
Dec 11 14:53:57 <lasserix_> jackhum: http://vimeo.com/78934656
Dec 11 14:54:32 <thepoosh> jackhum: http://www.neferchichi.com/use.html
Dec 11 14:55:19 <bluecup> @lasserix_ : what about the shadow?
Dec 11 14:55:27 <bluecup> aaearon: yeah, crashlytics, what is it?
Dec 11 14:55:48 <lasserix_> @bluecup it doesn't exist in the app compat, so how did you resolve with forward compat?
Dec 11 14:55:57 <lasserix_> *future proofing
Dec 11 14:57:20 <bluecup> lasserix_: I think you need to set elevation, didn’t do that yet
Dec 11 14:57:33 <lasserix_> bluecup: ahh that's for 21
Dec 11 14:57:44 <lasserix_> for non 21 you can use a shadow drawable,
Dec 11 14:57:53 <lasserix_> just wondering if you had a clever wayto handle differentiating api
Dec 11 14:57:57 <bluecup> you sure? i use getSupportActionBar() in my activity and can find setElevation
Dec 11 14:58:47 <shmooz> jackhum: http://dictionary-api.cambridge.org/index.php/help/resources
Dec 11 14:59:46 <jackhum> shmooz, : can i use this for commercial purpose ?
Dec 11 14:59:50 <shmooz> jackhum: yes
Dec 11 15:00:01 <shmooz> jackhum: you can do anything you want with them
Dec 11 15:00:20 <jackhum> shmooz, : what part of the web page makes you say so?
Dec 11 15:00:27 <shmooz> including close the source and hide it and sell it for a million dollars
Dec 11 15:00:43 <shmooz> jackhum: search for the word BSD
Dec 11 15:00:54 <jackhum> shmooz, : thanks , i got it
Dec 11 15:05:01 <lasserix_> bluecup: ahh no chip umm does it show a shadow?
Dec 11 15:05:09 <lasserix_> btw what eleveation do you use?
Dec 11 15:06:33 <bluecup> it should, let me check, brb
Dec 11 15:09:23 <Levite> from my experience if you use the "decor provided" action bar it shows a pre-21 shadow, but once you set it as your support action bar it doesn't
Dec 11 15:10:37 <Levite> though i didn't try calling setelevation
Dec 11 15:11:00 <SoleSoul> Hi, an application can have only one context, right?
Dec 11 15:12:00 <lasserix_> no
Dec 11 15:12:25 <bluecup> lasserix_: I can’t check right now, sry, fucked up something and can’t even start the app.
Dec 11 15:12:37 <lasserix_> SoleSoul: http://www.doubleencore.com/2013/06/context/
Dec 11 15:12:38 <SoleSoul> lasserix_: were you answering me?
Dec 11 15:12:42 <lasserix_> yes
Dec 11 15:12:43 <lasserix_> read http://www.doubleencore.com/2013/06/context/
Dec 11 15:12:55 <lasserix_> @leeds thanks
Dec 11 15:13:04 <SoleSoul> lasserix_: Thanks
Dec 11 15:13:10 <bluecup> oooh might be that I screwed up the viewpager, hm
Dec 11 15:13:10 <Leeds> lasserix: you're welcome
Dec 11 15:13:37 <lasserix_> bluecup: brb gota walk the cat
Dec 11 15:13:37 <Leeds> lasserix_: what for?
Dec 11 15:14:44 <bluecup> bluecup: ye it ain’t showing, hm
Dec 11 15:16:38 <tricknology> Has anyone been able to get their device to connect to adb wirelessly without root?
Dec 11 15:16:50 <g00s> yeah, but pretty finnicky
Dec 11 15:19:58 <bluecup> lasserix_:  ye it ain’t showing, hm
Dec 11 15:21:40 <lasserix_> Leeds confirming
Dec 11 15:22:57 <pfn> tricknology, you need either a rom that supports it, or you need to connect to usb first, and enable it
Dec 11 15:23:19 <tricknology> I tried that.. but I think I figured otu whats goign in..
Dec 11 15:23:20 <tricknology> on*
Dec 11 15:23:34 <tricknology> The wireless network is different than the one my computer is hard wired to
Dec 11 15:25:34 <platzhirsch> I have three view elements: A - B - C. A and C need fixed size and fixed margins, and B should take up all the space which is left, how can I achieve this?
Dec 11 15:25:46 <tricknology> padding?
Dec 11 15:25:47 <platzhirsch> I am only able to do this with layout_weight, but then I need to define the weight for all three leements
Dec 11 15:25:50 <tricknology> or gravity
Dec 11 15:26:18 <platzhirsch> if I set width to match_parent on the B view, then it pushes C into invisibility
Dec 11 15:26:21 <Ankhwatcher> I want to set up LogCat for a non-technical QA, what's the simplest way to access LogCat on a mac?
Dec 11 15:26:44 <Levite> a RelativeLayout should work, no?
Dec 11 15:28:37 <lasserix_> platzhirsch: linearlayout weight = 1 width = 0dp / weight= match parent / weight = 1 width = 0dp
Dec 11 15:28:46 <lasserix_> err
Dec 11 15:29:02 <lasserix_> platzhirsch: b has width = 0 weight 1 / a c set hard values
Dec 11 15:29:18 <freeone3000> Ankhwatcher: `adb logcat`
Dec 11 15:29:33 <platzhirsch> lasserix_: oh that does work indeed, but it seems the sizes are not working correctly on A, but probably the issue is then something else
Dec 11 15:29:55 <tricknology> Ankhwatcher you might have to add adb to you rpath
Dec 11 15:30:53 <tricknology> or run it from /sdk/platform-tools
Dec 11 15:34:08 <bluecup> Ankwatcher: adb logcat, and that’sit?
Dec 11 15:34:54 <yoavst> I get     java.lang.IllegalStateException: No activity   on 4.4 (not on lollipop) and i have no idea why
Dec 11 15:35:05 <mattblang_> If I use Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar the text is gray.  How can I change the text to black?
Dec 11 15:36:53 <lasserix_> The toolbar set as action bar in my second activity has the title of the app label, and no matter what i do the text title won't change. Anyone know why?
Dec 11 15:37:13 <lasserix_> yoavst: spelled correctly in your manifest?
Dec 11 15:38:52 <yoavst> lasserix_: it happen when I enter one of my fragment from drawer twice
Dec 11 15:38:57 <yoavst> works on lollipop though
Dec 11 15:39:34 <csst0111> How can I check what's new in the sdk docs ?  Let's say  I  :  "cd   /sdk/docs/training  " . If i  run ls -la they all got the same date - how can I find out if there's a new tutorial doc that wasnt available in the previous sdk docs I downloaded ??
Dec 11 15:39:47 <yoavst> it happen only with the specific fragment
Dec 11 15:39:47 <csst0111> somehting like a "diff" command ? :S
Dec 11 15:40:44 <yoavst> maybe it is the new androidannotations bug
Dec 11 15:42:26 <yoavst> https://github.com/excilys/androidannotations/issues/1264#issuecomment-66550010
Dec 11 15:44:33 <lasserix_> Is there an animation for the back button being clicked in the action bar in material design?
Dec 11 16:05:11 <MalekAlrwily> Hi
Dec 11 16:05:39 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix_: how do you mean? like for transitioning to the previous screen?
Dec 11 16:05:42 <Ankhwatcher> because yes
Dec 11 16:05:47 <MalekAlrwily> Can attacker use Google Play Services from my hacked app?
Dec 11 16:06:46 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix_: new activities animate up over their parents and down when they are dismissed
Dec 11 16:07:28 <lasserix_> ahh ok
Dec 11 16:07:35 <lasserix_> well ill worry about that later
Dec 11 16:07:43 <lasserix_> i meant if the icon does something funny like roll up or something
Dec 11 16:08:45 <Ankhwatcher> lasserix_: uh the home as up button does the ripple effect
Dec 11 16:08:50 <g00s> hey JacobTabak
Dec 11 16:11:32 <JacobTabak> hi g00s
Dec 11 16:11:45 <machty> i have a transparent webview over a live camera in a cordova app. on android the web app performance goes to crap, touch interactions are slow, web view animations are slow. It's fast on iOS; does anyone here have experience tweaking android performance in such a situation?
Dec 11 16:12:01 <machty> seems like the compositing of camera view and webview when the camera is live is super slow
Dec 11 16:12:57 <JacobTabak> yeah u prly dont want to do that with a webview
Dec 11 16:13:57 <machty> JacobTabak: i mean it's certainly desirable from a functionality standpoint, but do you think it's going to be pretty impossible to boost performance?
Dec 11 16:14:08 <JacobTabak> yeah
Dec 11 16:14:24 <JacobTabak> and unreliable between devices
Dec 11 16:14:30 <machty> how so?
Dec 11 16:14:30 <JacobTabak> depends on hardware, etc
Dec 11 16:14:51 <JacobTabak> you could try disabling hardware accel
Dec 11 16:16:40 <machty> what's the general rule you have in mind, that I shouldn't put a webview over a camera, X over a camera, a webview over X? like what's the actual part of what i'm trying to do that raises red flags?
Dec 11 16:16:57 <JacobTabak> webview with transparency
Dec 11 16:19:36 <lasserix_> How do i change the back/up icon for the app compat toolbar?
Dec 11 16:21:21 <lasserix_> Or how do I set its color? its black now need the white version
Dec 11 16:23:41 <MalekAlrwily> lasserix_: change your theme in style.xml
Dec 11 16:23:49 <lasserix_> what line is it?
Dec 11 16:23:54 <lasserix_> oh
Dec 11 16:24:14 <MalekAlrwily> AppCompat.Light or without Light
Dec 11 16:24:20 <MalekAlrwily> try both and see
Dec 11 16:26:41 <lasserix_> id presume itd be light.darkactionbar
Dec 11 16:26:48 <lasserix_> but no luck
Dec 11 16:30:02 <lasserix_> argh ijust want to sleep :)
Dec 11 16:34:45 <Alina-malina> guys how much is phonegap approved for creating android apps? do you guys use it or just use eclipse heavy artilerry, any javascript devs for android?
Dec 11 16:35:37 <lasserix_> Alina-malina: if it is very simple, maybe. otherwise prepare for pain and frustration
Dec 11 16:35:56 <Alina-malina> hmmmm
Dec 11 16:36:11 <Alina-malina> i can code on c and i can compile c code, so i dont think i will meet any frustration
Dec 11 16:36:27 <Alina-malina> i am just interested how it is improved to code for androids on phonegap instead of java
Dec 11 16:36:58 <lasserix_> what i mean is phonegap will result in a lot of errors that can be exceptionally painful to route out and fix
Dec 11 16:38:35 <lasserix_> MalekAlrwily:   <item name="android:homeAsUpIndicator">@drawable/ic_arrow_left_white_36dp</item>
Dec 11 16:38:50 <Alina-malina> hmmm did you use it ever lasserix ? any experience, i just want to know if i should write on it apps or not, it will save me time if you share some experience
Dec 11 16:39:10 <lasserix_> nope nevermind
Dec 11 16:39:12 <lasserix_> no
Dec 11 16:39:16 <Alina-malina> hmmm ok
Dec 11 16:39:18 <lasserix_> Alina-malina: i have not used it
Dec 11 16:39:28 <Alina-malina> i see
Dec 11 16:39:33 <lasserix_> Alina-malina: but from what i hear you'll be spending a lot of time debugging
Dec 11 16:39:41 <lasserix_> intractable problems
Dec 11 16:39:59 <lasserix_> so if your app is simple, like a simple webport or a game it might work otherwise...
Dec 11 16:42:37 <Alina-malina> hmmmm ok, i will try to give it a shot
Dec 11 16:42:59 <ThomQ> Hi all. I'm wondering, is it possible to adjust a view's position and TranslateAnimation while the animation is running?
Dec 11 16:43:44 <ThomQ> say for instance you want some birds flying over a GoogleMap. You get the start and end points, build the TranslateAnimation and then run it on the view containing the birds.
Dec 11 16:43:48 <subhojit777> I want to add a double array into ArrayList. I am trying this {{locations.add(new Double[] {deviceLatitude, deviceLongitude})}}. deviceLatitude, deviceLongitude are of type Double[]. But this line keeps throwing nullpointerexception error. What am I doing wrong?
Dec 11 16:44:09 <ThomQ> But when, the map moves, you'd want the view to adjust to that, so basicly being linked to the map.
Dec 11 16:44:37 <ThomQ> Is it possible to make those adjusments by adjusting the TranslateAnimation and the views position, or is there another way to go about it?
Dec 11 16:44:45 <subhojit777> I read this one http://stackoverflow.com/a/218510/1233922. Looks like my code is alright...
Dec 11 16:46:49 <lasserix_> ThomQ: you'd probably want to not use translation animation and just use a handler post
Dec 11 16:47:25 <lasserix_> seems if you setHomeUpAsEnabled it resets the drawable for the toolbar
Dec 11 16:47:32 <t2mkn> How can I change an icon inside a RemoteView ?
Dec 11 16:47:52 <t2mkn> *RemoteViews
Dec 11 16:48:11 <lasserix_> rebuild them use the setMethod(setimagebackground or whatever
Dec 11 16:49:02 <squirrel> subhojit777: is "location" defined?
Dec 11 16:49:34 <subhojit777> squirrel, yes {{private List<Double[]> locations}}
Dec 11 16:49:39 <lasserix_> sub post your code
Dec 11 16:50:06 <squirrel> subhojit777: well, did you assign anything to it
Dec 11 16:50:38 <t2mkn> trying ...
Dec 11 16:51:15 <squirrel> also, use @Nullable/@NonNull
Dec 11 16:51:17 <subhojit777> squirrel, erm.. no.. well locations is a global variable declared in class. And a method assigns/adds array to it
Dec 11 16:51:19 <lasserix_> t2mkn: setImageViewBitmap
Dec 11 16:51:45 <subhojit777> squirrel, and while adding I get the exception
Dec 11 16:52:04 <squirrel> subhojit777: i vote that it is not initialized
Dec 11 16:52:06 <t2mkn> lasserix_: its an ImageButtion inside layout
Dec 11 16:52:12 <lasserix_> t2mkn: setImageViewBitmap setImageViewResource
Dec 11 16:52:27 <lasserix_> yeah you get a reference to it via your parent remoteview and call that on it
Dec 11 16:52:40 <t2mkn> lasserix_: got it.
Dec 11 16:52:45 <t2mkn> doing so
Dec 11 16:52:47 <subhojit777> squirrel, I think private properties does not require initialization..
Dec 11 16:53:08 <subhojit777> squirrel, am I right..? not sure though
Dec 11 16:53:29 <subhojit777> squirrel, I have PHP background, Just doing Android as side project
Dec 11 16:53:30 <squirrel> subhojit777: last time i checked to use an object you have to create it first
Dec 11 16:53:55 <subhojit777> squirrel, you mean "initialize" it first?
Dec 11 16:54:15 <squirrel> private List<Double[]> locations = new ArrayList<Double[]>(); or sth
Dec 11 16:54:28 <squirrel> or LinkedList or whatever
Dec 11 16:54:44 <subhojit777> squirrel, okay thanks will try it out
Dec 11 16:54:49 <subhojit777> squirrel++
Dec 11 16:54:51 <squirrel> :3
Dec 11 16:55:01 <ThomQ> lasserix: Yeah, I tried to animate some markers with a handler, but it turned out very choppy, no matter what framerate I'd set it to
Dec 11 16:56:10 <ThomQ> The translate animations are all very smooth ofcourse. If only I could adjust it's main position, I'd be set
Dec 11 16:56:26 <ThomQ> fetching the maps' cam movement shouldnt be to had
Dec 11 16:57:58 <ThomQ> Also, the drawable i want to move is a AnimationDrawable, witch also brings other difficulties, if I'd try to go through using markers and a handler
Dec 11 17:08:22 <osxorgate> im trying crashlytics. i let it burrow into my project, and see on the site that 'it works'. Now i have the app crash, but nothing seems to be happening with crashlytics. Anything i could have missed?
Dec 11 17:11:07 <machty> JacobTabak: what are your thoughts on a non-transparent, full screen webview, with some rectangular region of live camera feed overlaid on top. is such a thing possible? is it any fundamentally different from transparent webview on top of camera feed?
Dec 11 17:11:28 <ThomQ>  osxor: It took a little while for me for the first results to get through after setting it up
Dec 11 17:12:20 <pfn> osxorgate, on android 5 need to restart the app
Dec 11 17:12:23 <ThomQ> are you sure that Crashlytics.start(this); is the first thing being done in the main thread?
Dec 11 17:12:58 <ThomQ> also, there are some errors that can even occur beFore that. Problems with styles etc
Dec 11 17:13:19 <osxorgate> pfn, seems that i need to add a line telling it to restart.. odd. there is an init already. http://support.crashlytics.com/knowledgebase/articles/112848-how-do-i-force-a-crash-using-the-android-sdk
Dec 11 17:13:24 <osxorgate> -re
Dec 11 17:14:18 <pfn> ?
Dec 11 17:14:33 <pfn> once you init, it's ready to go
Dec 11 17:14:55 <osxorgate> hm, those docs seem to be outdated
Dec 11 17:15:19 <osxorgate> this is how the plugin does it: Fabric.with(this, new Crashlytics());
Dec 11 17:16:31 <pfn> wtf is fabric
Dec 11 17:16:34 <osxorgate> seems i need to upload the .apk to the site or sth
Dec 11 17:17:05 <osxorgate> fabric is the new thing encompassing crashlytics and twitter login and mopub
Dec 11 17:18:47 <osxorgate> i reckon i'll just watch a tutorial of sorts
Dec 11 17:24:11 <yoavst> lasserix_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14929907/causing-a-java-illegalstateexception-error-no-activity-only-when-navigating-to
Dec 11 17:24:18 <yoavst> finally :/
Dec 11 17:37:06 <subhojit777> squirrel, thanks it worked
Dec 11 17:37:09 <subhojit777> squirrel++
Dec 11 17:37:18 <squirrel> nice!
Dec 11 17:46:42 <Levite_> is there a way to make eclipse automatically import android.util.Log when I need it?
Dec 11 17:48:41 <MartialLaw> I need to connect to a websocket (for chat purposes) when my app starts and i need it to hold connection to that websocket for the lifespan of the application... do i use a service or intentservice?
Dec 11 17:49:27 <t2mkn> is their a way to update shortcut icon created by app earlier ?
Dec 11 17:51:27 <s73v3r> MartialLaw: Service, but you’d have to start it in a background thread yourself
Dec 11 17:51:28 <Levite_> t2mkn it's usually ic_launcher.png in /drawable
Dec 11 17:52:36 <MartialLaw> s73v3r: so create a service and then create a thread which connects to the websocket?
Dec 11 17:54:24 <t2mkn> Levite_: i need to change the icon of already created shortcut. say the shortcut has ic_launcher, now i want to update it to ic_somethingelse.
Dec 11 17:54:27 <s73v3r> yeah
Dec 11 17:55:09 <MartialLaw> do i use a handler to update the UI?
Dec 11 17:55:11 <Levite_> t2mkn do you mean you just want to change the name of the file? that should be the android:icon entry in your manifest file
Dec 11 17:55:58 <s73v3r> you could use a handler or you could bind the service. Or you could use something like Otto to create a message bus
Dec 11 17:56:29 <t2mkn> Levite_: its not of launcher, its created by app. a custom shortcut placed on homescreen by app. need to change the icon of that shortcut
Dec 11 17:56:51 <Levite_> ah
Dec 11 18:03:46 <sarbs> sigh... i feel like anytime i try to integrate an OSS project into proprietary code, i somehow end up finding more things i need to fix in the OSS project than the code i'm being paid to work on
Dec 11 18:06:10 <pfn> then don't integrate it
Dec 11 18:07:24 <sarbs> eh, it's farther along than i would be otherwise
Dec 11 18:13:52 <shekibobo> Is there a way to set the tag on a fragment added to a fragment manager via a FragmentPagerAdapter?
Dec 11 18:16:13 <MartialLaw> .setTag
Dec 11 18:16:35 <shekibobo> Fragment does not appear to have a setTag method
Dec 11 18:19:07 <ki9a> Any place for Android Studio specific questions or this it?
Dec 11 18:19:34 <sarbs> this is a pretty good place
Dec 11 18:20:12 <ki9a> I want to open the android designer given an android manifest,
Dec 11 18:20:26 <ki9a> layout, and other resources. I realize that it won't let you do that
Dec 11 18:20:46 <ki9a> so I figured I'd create a project with just the needed information on the fly. But can't find any information on the layout
Dec 11 18:21:11 <ki9a> Anyone know where I can find out more about the project format?
Dec 11 18:24:11 <sarbs> ki9a you have all of the files of an android project but not the build script, basically?
Dec 11 18:24:41 <ki9a> sarbs: Indeed. I don't want to build it, just show the designer
Dec 11 18:24:59 <ki9a> I have all the details (android version, jar files); just not the idea project.
Dec 11 18:25:16 <sarbs> Android Studio uses Gradle as its build system and the IDE imports all the info about the project from the build.gradle file, so what you need to do i guess is create a build script for it.. although i think AS can actually import projects and create that for you, fairly well
Dec 11 18:25:47 <sarbs> try doing File -> Import Project (or the likes) and pointing it at your project directory, see what happens
Dec 11 18:26:06 <ki9a> will try that, thanks.
Dec 11 18:26:14 <sarbs> otherwise, here are the docs about the android gradle plugin: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide
Dec 11 18:26:53 <ki9a> thanks.
Dec 11 18:34:24 <pfn> Intellij can import android projects without a build script
Dec 11 18:34:35 <pfn> as long as the project has a manifest
Dec 11 18:34:44 <pfn> I import aosp projects with it
Dec 11 18:35:42 <HoloPed> Does google maps android api cost money, over 25k maps views ?
Dec 11 18:35:57 <pfn> read the tos and find out
Dec 11 18:38:16 <HoloPed> I am, but I don't understand them
Dec 11 18:38:25 <HoloPed> it states that the fees are applied to JavaScript Maps API v3, the Static Maps API, and the StreetView Image API.
Dec 11 18:38:42 <HoloPed> is the Android API part of that list ?
Dec 11 18:40:37 <zambo> Hey guys, having huge problems with a RecyclerView.  When one of the items in the RecyclerView is larger than the entire screen, it gets clipped to the size of the screen
Dec 11 18:40:43 <zambo> has anyone dealt with this issue before?
Dec 11 18:43:16 * pfn hasn't even used recycler view yet
Dec 11 18:48:17 <dfdf> Anyone here that has a minimal pair bluetooth and send over serial app? I can pair my phone with my blueooth device but the example apps i have found will not pair with my device. it is a JYMCU breakout board connected to a micropython board and I want to connect my Android phone to the pyboard via Bluetooth. Right now I can pairmy phone with the PC and the PC with the JYMCU but not the phone with the JYMCU.
Dec 11 18:49:47 <g00s> pfn its kinda a pita
Dec 11 18:49:47 <dfdf> If I want to send data over a serial channel in android over bluetooth, how do I do?
Dec 11 18:50:00 <dfdf> do i use a socket or not?
Dec 11 18:50:23 <pfn> g00s, certainly looks it
Dec 11 18:50:39 <thepoosh> looks what?
Dec 11 18:50:58 <g00s> if you want to implement dnd reordering its probably easier with recyclerview
Dec 11 18:51:22 <pfn> why, it would be similarly easy with a listview (the reordering aspect at least)
Dec 11 18:51:26 <bitkiller> dfdf, BluetoothChat demo is all you need
Dec 11 18:51:52 <bitkiller> and yes, use a BluetoothSocket
Dec 11 18:52:50 <dfdf> bitkiller, the bluetooth chat demo is what i use but i get "cannot connect"
Dec 11 18:53:13 <dfdf> is there a step after pair in bluetooth, ie connect? or is it just pair and then you can send data?
Dec 11 18:53:40 <dfdf> i dont even get the chance to input a pin on my phone when tryiong to connect to the JYMCU.
Dec 11 18:53:52 <dfdf> I can pai between my 2 androids via the bluetooth chat demo though
Dec 11 18:54:58 <bitkiller> you have to get a socket (createrfcommsocket), then input/outputstream, then read/write
Dec 11 18:55:28 <thepoosh> dfdf: you are doing a chat demo?
Dec 11 18:55:43 <g00s> dfdf have you read the docs? you are asking questions that are contained therein
Dec 11 18:55:49 <dfdf> thepoosh: no, i used the chat demo it works between phones but not against mky chip
Dec 11 18:56:03 <dfdf> bitkiller: ok and to input the pin, will a popup automaitcally come up?
Dec 11 18:56:14 <dfdf> g00s: it is not always that simple...
Dec 11 18:56:25 <g00s> dfdf oh, i know :)
Dec 11 18:56:34 <bitkiller> dfdf, it pops up
Dec 11 18:56:44 <g00s> dfdf make sure you are using the rfcomm UUID
Dec 11 18:58:45 <christo_m> anyone on android 5.0+?
Dec 11 18:58:45 <christo_m> i cannot seem to grab the backspace key , im listening on an input for keypress, keydown, keyup, and i can get everything but backspace
Dec 11 18:58:52 <christo_m> this is a cordova app btw
Dec 11 18:59:21 <g00s> christo_m try it natively, if it works, then cordova problem
Dec 11 18:59:46 <christo_m> g00s: id prefer a js solution
Dec 11 18:59:55 <christo_m> this worked on 4.4
Dec 11 19:00:46 <christo_m> i cant seem to understand why pressing the backspace wouldn't fire an event code in the DOM like any other key.
Dec 11 19:01:34 <g00s> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2014/12/hello-world-meet-our-new-experimental.html
Dec 11 19:02:09 <g00s> "for testing with non-production versions of your apps." :)
Dec 11 19:03:09 <yiati> christo_m: #cordova ?
Dec 11 19:03:20 <christo_m> yiati: usually dead
Dec 11 19:03:42 <christo_m> figured maybe someone here would know how the keyboard changed
Dec 11 19:03:49 <christo_m> because there was definitely a visual change
Dec 11 19:04:09 <christo_m> im just surprised every other key fires at least one of "keypress" "keyup" "keydown" but backspace fires none of them.
Dec 11 19:09:42 <snooplsm> are library projects assets copied into the project directory now?
Dec 11 19:10:08 <dfdf> bitkiller, g00s: how do I make sure I use the rfcomm UUID? Isnt that what the bluetooth chat app uses per default?
Dec 11 19:10:19 <dfdf> private static final UUID MY_UUID = UUID.fromString("fa87c0d0-afac-11de-8a39-0800200c9a66");
Dec 11 19:11:06 <g00s> thats the wrong one, you would know that if you read the docs
Dec 11 19:11:13 <g00s> or googled
Dec 11 19:11:45 <bitkiller> "00001101-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB"
Dec 11 19:13:04 <g00s> yes
Dec 11 19:16:00 <g00s> dfdf http://developer.android.com/reference/android/bluetooth/BluetoothDevice.html
Dec 11 19:16:08 <g00s> "Hint: If you are connecting to a Bluetooth serial board then try using the well-known SPP UUID 00001101-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB. However if you are connecting to an Android peer then please generate your own unique UUID."
Dec 11 19:16:35 <dfdf> I see, thanks
Dec 11 19:19:24 <dfdf> thanks a lot guys, i will go home and try it.
Dec 11 19:38:05 <pfn> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hanhuy.android.tvm
Dec 11 19:38:10 <pfn> I don't think I'll gather many sales off that, heh
Dec 11 19:38:16 <pfn> too many free variants
Dec 11 19:38:34 <thepoosh> pfn: your app?
Dec 11 19:38:40 <pfn> yeah
Dec 11 19:38:45 <pfn> published it for shits and giggles
Dec 11 19:43:33 <s73v3r> About to update to Studio 1.0. Any gotchas I need to watch out for?
Dec 11 19:44:17 <g00s> its different than what you are using :)
Dec 11 19:44:58 <Groxx> you'll probably have to update your gradle files
Dec 11 19:46:56 <s73v3r> Yeah, I figured we’d need that.
Dec 11 19:58:34 <ki9a> pfn: right but that's a manual op to import it; I want to just present the user with android studio open on the designer
Dec 11 20:07:18 <g00s> i'm curious about this code in ActivityThread: in handlePauseActivity: if (r.isPreHoneycomb()) { QueuedWork.waitToFinish(); }  --- and in handleStopActivity : if (!r.isPreHoneycomb()) { QueuedWork.waitToFinish() }
Dec 11 20:07:47 <g00s> were there subtle changes to how onStart/onPause worked before / after HC ?
Dec 11 20:08:32 <Groxx> it's not so subtle. pre HC you could be killed after onPause, post HC you won't.  it also influences when onSaveInstanceState is called.
Dec 11 20:08:53 <g00s> Groxx oh awesome, did i miss that from the docs ?
Dec 11 20:09:05 <thepoosh> g00s: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2oxs27/what_innocent_message_becomes_really_awkward_when/cmrkqfw
Dec 11 20:09:09 <thepoosh> just saw this
Dec 11 20:09:40 <Groxx> g00s: it's relatively easy to forget :)  but yeah.  check out the "movement through an activity's lifecycle" section: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
Dec 11 20:12:04 <Levite_> if I have an object of an unknown class, is there a way to create a new one dynamically without knowing the class ahead of time?
Dec 11 20:14:49 <Groxx> Levite_: basically, yes.  you can use reflection to get the constructor and call it.  obviously this is difficult when you don't know the object _and_ it requires arguments on its constructors.
Dec 11 20:14:53 <pfn> ki9a, then import it and open the designer
Dec 11 20:15:00 <pfn> ki9a, there's nothing less manual
Dec 11 20:15:48 <Levite_> Groxx reflection! got it, just needed to know what to search for. thx
Dec 11 20:15:59 <Levite_> it's one of my objects so I know what the constructor is
Dec 11 20:16:00 <Groxx> Levite_: fwiw it's basically what Android does when inflating views from xml, restoring layouts / fragments (which is why they're required to have a no-arg constructor) after you resume your app after a process death, and other things.
Dec 11 20:16:46 <g00s> Groxx ok i vaguely remember this now. bu weird then if onPause is only killable pre-hc, they go on to say : Because of this, you should use the onPause() method to write any persistent data (such as user edits) to storage. Shouldn't it be onStop ?
Dec 11 20:17:49 <g00s> maybe this was written when lots of pre-HC were still in use, and its the general case
Dec 11 20:18:16 <Groxx> could be.  and in general yeah, use onStop, since that happens after the other activity is visible (less visible delay)
Dec 11 20:18:48 <Groxx> but if you _must_ save that data, and you're supporting gingerbread—, you _must_ store in in onPause to be safe because onStop may never be called.
Dec 11 20:18:49 <g00s> ok there is a little sidebar there
Dec 11 20:19:35 <g00s> only ravioli supports GB
Dec 11 20:20:38 <g00s> thepoosh :)
Dec 11 20:20:52 <thepoosh> you meant ;)
Dec 11 20:22:11 <pfn> g00s, onPause is the only place that's ever guaranteed to call
Dec 11 20:22:15 <pfn> g00s, this has been the case forever
Dec 11 20:22:54 <g00s> pfn not according to the activity docs, which i read 4 years ago and assumed they didn't change much
Dec 11 20:23:16 <g00s> post HC onStop is the first killable callback
Dec 11 20:23:16 <Groxx> g00s: not a safe assumption with Android :)
Dec 11 20:23:25 <pfn> g00s, docs still seem to say the same thing as 4 years ago
Dec 11 20:23:39 <g00s> pfn are you looking here http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onPause()
Dec 11 20:23:49 <g00s> "Be aware that these semantics will change slightly between applications targeting platforms starting with HONEYCOMB vs. those targeting prior platforms. "
Dec 11 20:23:53 <g00s> yada yada
Dec 11 20:24:27 <pfn> oh, didn't realize it's not killable until after onStop
Dec 11 20:24:34 <pfn> never noticed that changed
Dec 11 20:24:43 <Groxx> there needs to be a face-palm emoji.
Dec 11 20:25:03 <g00s> yeah, that stuff is so basic - if you have been doing android for a while its pretty much ingrained. oops though when it changes :)
Dec 11 20:29:17 <pfn> well, fortunately, that doesn't change in a breaking way
Dec 11 20:29:21 <pfn> unlike other behavior changes in the past
Dec 11 20:29:26 <pfn> ahem, async task
Dec 11 20:31:53 <g00s> whats asynctask :)
Dec 11 20:37:05 <pfn> of course, most people don't use asynctask anymore
Dec 11 20:38:18 <pfn> I either use futures or my own async abstraction
Dec 11 20:39:19 <Groxx> "most people don't use asynctask anymore" <- that is enormously incorrect from what I've seen
Dec 11 20:40:47 <capella> ++
Dec 11 20:40:49 <pfn> most people that care, heh
Dec 11 20:40:56 <pfn> most people are idiots and use asynctask
Dec 11 20:41:11 <capella> oh no you didnt :p
Dec 11 20:41:20 <mattblang_> what version was the runtime annotation issue fixed?
Dec 11 20:42:57 <mattblang_> I think maybe 4.3 judging from this commit, not positive though
Dec 11 20:46:36 <Groxx> mattblang_: runtime annotation issue?  I don't know this one
Dec 11 20:46:46 <Groxx> but my interest, you haz it
Dec 11 20:47:10 <mattblang_> Groxx there was a bug in the AOSP that made reading runtime annotations really slow
Dec 11 20:48:33 <Groxx> a bug (like, a new thing, or a regression), or a thing that has existed since the beginning but was improved <some versions back, dunno.  maybe 4.3> ?
Dec 11 20:48:53 <mattblang_> Groxx a thing that existed, not sure for how long
Dec 11 20:49:03 <Groxx> I was under the impression that has "always" been the case, but it was improved some time ago
Dec 11 20:49:30 <mattblang_> Groxx yeah, I'm not 100 percent sure.  was hoping someone more 1337 than me could give me a hint
Dec 11 20:49:38 * Groxx hopes too
Dec 11 20:49:48 * Groxx lacks 1337
Dec 11 20:49:52 <mattblang_> haha
Dec 11 20:50:00 <TacticalJoke> droidxav on reddit: "We'll have support in Gradle hopefully in the next feature release. Full Studio support will likely take a bit more time."
Dec 11 20:50:06 <TacticalJoke> (For JVM unit testing.)
Dec 11 20:50:15 <TacticalJoke> http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2ozs8d/how_do_i_unit_test_in_android_studio/
Dec 11 20:50:36 <TacticalJoke> Does "support in Gradle" mean "it'll work, but you'll have to run unit tests at the command line"?
Dec 11 20:50:48 <Groxx> CLI-only jvm tests seem like a decent first step?
Dec 11 20:50:53 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Dec 11 20:51:05 <TacticalJoke> Does it mean I'll have to do all building at the command line?  I guess not; just checking.
Dec 11 20:51:06 <Groxx> I interpret your summary that way anyway
Dec 11 20:57:15 <ThJ> so i'm watching old videos on RenderScript and in one of them, they claim to be "working very hard on documentation"... but i think that video is at least a year old now, and the docs seem pretty weak in terms the actual language and built-in globals, etc. it's like google is only paying half attention to it?
Dec 11 20:58:56 <ThJ> it's this API they used internally to begin with, and in some ways, it still seems to be stuck in that "we assume everyone knows how to do everything or can ask someone down the hall" mode.
Dec 11 21:00:42 <ThJ> i found code examples from google but they use the graphics part of RS, which was deprecated some time ago.
Dec 11 21:00:48 <g00s> ThJ well, that does work great when romain, dianne, or whoever was down the hall :)
Dec 11 21:01:41 <ThJ> g00s: the "i'll just ask jamie" docmentation system.
Dec 11 21:02:12 <Groxx> ThJ: sounds like a fun area of Android.
Dec 11 21:03:37 <ThJ> i come from doing iOS code last month, where there's basically a whole API with pre-written SIMD algorithms, to having to reinvent the wheel, and doing so with very little guidance. :/
Dec 11 21:06:21 <ThJ> i work within the category of "things the Adobe Suite normally does", so most of the built-in Canvas stuff isn't powerful enough.
Dec 11 21:07:22 <Groxx> ThJ: ah, designer driven coding.  fun.  (in both serious and sarcastic ways :) )
Dec 11 21:07:38 <ThJ> Groxx: their RenderScript-side docs are basically Doxygen with no comments. :p
Dec 11 21:07:53 <Groxx> use the source, ThJ!
Dec 11 21:08:01 <Groxx> learn it you must
Dec 11 21:08:14 <Groxx> though possibly that's just as horrible / not helpful.
Dec 11 21:08:31 <Groxx> don't suppose they have samples?  or interesting open sourced apps to look at?
Dec 11 21:08:41 <ThJ> i'll be very very surprised and pleased if the sourcecode isn't gibberish to me.
Dec 11 21:09:05 <ThJ> well, see, i looked around for samples... and they are OLD... and demonstrate deprecated features. :p
Dec 11 21:09:10 <Groxx> haha
Dec 11 21:09:36 <ThJ> they haven't updated their code samples since the announcement, it would seem.
Dec 11 21:10:00 <Groxx> deprecated as in "and there are better options in all Androids we're targeting", or as in "not the methods added in this brand new OS version"
Dec 11 21:10:45 <ThJ> deprecated as in "we took out all the graphics specific stuff because RenderScript, despite its name, is intended for generic computation of any kind now."
Dec 11 21:10:50 <drinfernoo> how do i set the width on tabs when used with the Toolbar? ive got a working setup right now, basically just implemented SlidingTabLayout from the code samples, but all three tabs are on the right, not spanning the screen width
Dec 11 21:10:57 <ThJ> the features demonstrated in the examples, however, are ONLY about graphics...
Dec 11 21:11:10 <ThJ> none of them go into generic computation as far as i can see.
Dec 11 21:11:28 <Groxx> woo, definitely a fun area!
Dec 11 21:11:45 <Groxx> I wish you luck.  alas I cannot help.
Dec 11 21:11:49 <ThJ> i've managed to write a few RenderScripts and it's been useful, but the problem is that i have no idea what the boundaries are.
Dec 11 21:12:13 <ThJ> i don't know anything about recommended use cases except 'computation'...
Dec 11 21:12:29 * ThJ writes entire app in RenderScript, since apps are 'computation' :p
Dec 11 21:12:42 <Groxx> ThJ: I'd be happy to grep the aosp repo, possibly there's something interesting in their apps
Dec 11 21:12:59 <Groxx> is there a particular method that might be revealing, or should I just see if they use renderscript at all?
Dec 11 21:13:15 <ThJ> Groxx: .rs files are probably a good place to start
Dec 11 21:14:17 <Groxx> frameworks/rs/java/tests seems promising.  also contains versioned folders.
Dec 11 21:14:19 <ThJ> i know they were using this for some animated wallpaper stuff internally, but i'm not sure what it's being used for now, since apparently that stuff is now meant to be done in, uh, GL, i suppose?
Dec 11 21:14:47 <ThJ> Groxx: can this be browsed online anywhere?
Dec 11 21:15:28 <Groxx> ThJ: http://pastebin.com/dpLnkK9E it's almost all online, though it can be a pain to browse.  sec.
Dec 11 21:16:24 <ThJ> ah, implementations of the script intrinsics.
Dec 11 21:16:27 <drinfernoo> anyone?
Dec 11 21:16:32 <Groxx> ThJ: https://android.googlesource.com/
Dec 11 21:16:42 <ThJ> the tests seem mostly to be for built-in globals.
Dec 11 21:17:14 <ThJ> err, never mind that last statement.
Dec 11 21:17:53 <Groxx> ThJ: yeah, I don't promise useful results.  and I suspect you'll be far better than me at narrowing the search :)
Dec 11 21:18:45 <Groxx> the "packages/apps" and "packages/wallpapers" are probably likely to have rs-that-does-something.  dunno beyond that.
Dec 11 21:19:06 <ThJ> Groxx: hum...
Dec 11 21:19:49 <Gumboot> What are you trying to figure out, exactly?
Dec 11 21:20:48 <JesusFreke> ThJ: the "graphics" part of renderscript has been deprecated (or even removed entirely, I'm not sure)
Dec 11 21:20:51 <ThJ> Gumboot: what the docs aren't telling me.
Dec 11 21:20:54 <ThJ> JesusFreke: it has, yes.
Dec 11 21:20:56 <JesusFreke> but the compute part of it is still supported
Dec 11 21:21:09 <ThJ> i'm aware of that bit, thankfully.
Dec 11 21:21:10 <kevingrant> tumblr
Dec 11 21:21:15 <kevingrant> mt
Dec 11 21:21:19 <g00s> JesusFreke did you get that monocycle i sent this morning ?
Dec 11 21:21:32 <JesusFreke> g00s: I didn't see it
Dec 11 21:21:37 <Groxx> is that like a monocle unicycle?
Dec 11 21:21:43 <g00s> JesusFreke http://www.gizmag.com/ninebot-one-self-balancing-monowheel/35160/
Dec 11 21:21:58 <JesusFreke> g00s: ah, another solowheel clone :)
Dec 11 21:22:04 <Groxx> oh wow, $800?  that's crazy affordable compared to others I've seen
Dec 11 21:22:17 <ThJ> Groxx: okay, so i can't find a 'frameworks' folder in those git repos... did you grep inside a specific one_
Dec 11 21:23:08 <Groxx> ThJ: it looks like googlesource puts them under "platform/frameworks"
Dec 11 21:23:11 <JesusFreke> g00s: I should be getting my lunicycle in soon though (made by the same company who makes the solowheel)
Dec 11 21:23:25 <JesusFreke> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/687658339/lunicycle-the-unicycle-for-everyone
Dec 11 21:23:37 <ThJ> Gumboot: in my dreams, i'm looking for documentation that elaborates a bit more on... everything...
Dec 11 21:24:10 <JesusFreke> ThJ: what is it that you're looking into/wanting to do? I scanned up.. but there was too much backlog and I'm lazy :p
Dec 11 21:24:15 <g00s> JesusFreke oh yeah, cool !
Dec 11 21:24:27 <Groxx> ThJ: the cts stuff might be the "ground truth" of what's available - I believe that's (part of the) Conformance Test Suite.  no clue if it's useful to browse though.
Dec 11 21:24:32 <ThJ> Gumboot: google's docs are extremely minimal on example code snippets for example.
Dec 11 21:25:14 <ThJ> JesusFreke: well, okay, i'm basically wanting to figure out of renderscript is appropriate for this one usage case.
Dec 11 21:26:49 <ThJ> JesusFreke: i'm walking a grid derived from an image based on the marching squares algo
Dec 11 21:27:25 <ThJ> JesusFreke: and i need to trace around it, and i have the algo for it that i wrote for ios, but i'm not sure what "appropriate" use cases for RS are.
Dec 11 21:27:25 <JesusFreke> I have no idea what that is.. but it sounds vaguely like something that might be in the domain of renderscript :)
Dec 11 21:27:35 <ThJ> it's not a good task for parallelization
Dec 11 21:27:42 <JesusFreke> possibly not then
Dec 11 21:27:45 <ThJ> and they say RS is kinda like CUDA or GLSL.
Dec 11 21:27:55 <JesusFreke> Yeah, that's mostly kinda how I think about it
Dec 11 21:27:59 <ThJ> but it's not really a good fit for Java either since it does involve chewing pixels.
Dec 11 21:28:32 <JesusFreke> the other option of course is a native library
Dec 11 21:28:35 <ThJ> i could do it by just walking my byte array... however, i'm having to do RenderScript stuff earlier anyhow.
Dec 11 21:29:10 <JesusFreke> note that I'm not actually super familiar with the compute stuff in RS
Dec 11 21:29:12 <ThJ> i implement the marching squares itself as a kernel with 1,2,4,8 as 4 coefficients.
Dec 11 21:29:20 * JesusFreke hands ThJ a grain of salt :)
Dec 11 21:29:34 <ThJ> nobody is super familiar with renderscript, i suspect.
Dec 11 21:29:52 <DammitJim> if android is killing one of my services, what would I see in the logcat?
Dec 11 21:29:56 <JesusFreke> I had played with the graphics part of it a while ago, but that's about it
Dec 11 21:29:58 <ThJ> i'm the only guy in the company who knows this stuff, so when i start getting unsure, boy...
Dec 11 21:30:02 <g00s> ThJ you will be; if anyone needs help i'll tell them to go down the hall and visit ThJ
Dec 11 21:30:21 <DammitJim> it's weird... on one device running 4.1.2 Note 2, my app works fine, but on a 4.2.2 Mega device, my service is erradic
Dec 11 21:30:43 <ThJ> g00s: i got hired by this place solely because i can do graphics code properly.
Dec 11 21:30:45 <g00s> DammitJim there was a bug in android killing foreground services i think it was 4.3 though
Dec 11 21:30:47 <JesusFreke> DammitJim: probably something like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiT_5cr3tYI
Dec 11 21:31:18 <g00s> ThJ then when you figure it out, write a good book about it :)
Dec 11 21:31:31 <JesusFreke> and makes $10s of dollars!!
Dec 11 21:31:35 <JesusFreke> and make*
Dec 11 21:31:38 <ThJ> lol
Dec 11 21:31:39 <DammitJim> g00s, let me go back to the beginning... how can I tell if my service is being killed?
Dec 11 21:31:51 <g00s> i have no idea
Dec 11 21:32:03 <g00s> you may not get onDestroy
Dec 11 21:32:07 <DammitJim> like what would the logcat say?
Dec 11 21:32:08 <ThJ> or i could go find the RenderScript guys and jam a tazer up their butts until they write proper documentation.
Dec 11 21:32:09 <Groxx> DammitJim: if you're not killing it: your process gets slaughtered, and you may have no way to tell.  that's just how Android is.
Dec 11 21:32:35 <g00s> ThJ sounds even better, yeah. while you're at it, taze the whole android team
Dec 11 21:32:40 <DammitJim> I would be able to see when android starts it back up, right?
Dec 11 21:32:41 <g00s> thats a lot of tazed asses :)
Dec 11 21:32:58 <Groxx> DammitJim: if you returned start_sticky and logged something in e.g. onCreate: yeah, you should
Dec 11 21:33:19 <Groxx> _some_ devices might log both killing and restarting, but afaik there's zero guarantee of that.
Dec 11 21:33:46 <JesusFreke> DammitJim: you might check for anything in adb logcat -b events too
Dec 11 21:33:47 <DammitJim> why would android do that? low in resources or something?
Dec 11 21:33:54 <DammitJim> -b?
Dec 11 21:34:01 <JesusFreke> buffer
Dec 11 21:34:07 <JesusFreke> there are different logcats
Dec 11 21:34:23 <Groxx> DammitJim: yep.  also, unless your activity is in the foreground, or your service has a foreground notification, it's probably getting killed after ~30 minutes.
Dec 11 21:34:24 <JesusFreke> the events one is for system events.. like starting services/activities,  etc.
Dec 11 21:34:34 <JesusFreke> not sure if killing would be logged there or not, but worth a look
Dec 11 21:34:44 <ThJ> g00s: i'm not partial to either iOS or Android, i have used both, just as I was a Windows user for years before I switched to Mac... and use Linux for servers... but... i have to admit, i sorta had more fun with iOS coding... especially when they released Swift and it stopped looking like line noise had invaded my code in the form of brackets around everything.
Dec 11 21:35:49 <g00s> ThJ yeah; i didn't use swift - but went to android because i needed to use rfcomm bluetooth
Dec 11 21:35:57 <ThJ> (if you put brackets around a method call, it's totally not a method call, it's a smalltalk message, amrite?)
Dec 11 21:36:09 <g00s> ThJ the tooling is much better. i think the developer experience is too
Dec 11 21:36:23 <ThJ> g00s: better on which one of them?
Dec 11 21:36:30 <g00s> ThJ memory profiling especially
Dec 11 21:37:09 <g00s> ThJ didn't they drop message passing from Swft though ? /me sad
Dec 11 21:37:41 <ThJ> g00s: it's plain old dot notation now... and extreme type safety.
Dec 11 21:38:03 <ThJ> g00s: typesafe to the extreme, can't do arithmetic with a float and and int without casting first.
Dec 11 21:38:16 <DammitJim> Groxx, is that new?
Dec 11 21:38:24 <DammitJim> on 4.1.2 it doesn't get killed at all
Dec 11 21:38:52 <DammitJim> the only reason why I think it's getting killed and restarted is because I perform a job every 15 minutes and at this point, it seems that it does it every 5, then 10, then 5, then 10
Dec 11 21:39:02 <DammitJim> what is a good logcat viewer?
Dec 11 21:39:14 <ThJ> g00s: it's pretty funny how it's super convenient and infers types so you hardly have to declare them, but then it turns around and is super-strict about casting.
Dec 11 21:39:14 <drinfernoo> any idea about tab width?
Dec 11 21:41:02 <Groxx> DammitJim: no, that's completely normal behavior.  30 minutes is not at all a guaranteed value though.
Dec 11 21:41:34 <ThJ> g00s: also, switching to java after swift coding is harrowing, suddenly the compiler expects semicolons and variables are no longer declared in pascal syntax...
Dec 11 21:42:05 <skullcrasher> I hope that's not a to stupid question, but can anybody tell me how GCM system works in general? Do they use a connection with keepalive or polling? Or how can they send a push notification in time?
Dec 11 21:42:28 <Groxx> DammitJim: you very likely want to be using alarms (or JobScheduler) to start your service, and assume the process is dead when it starts up.  if it's important that it finishes, your _only_ option is to make a notification and startForeground, because you could be killed at literally any time.
Dec 11 21:42:49 <g00s> skullcrasher Geriatric Care Manager?
Dec 11 21:43:03 <DammitJim> Groxx, do you think it's weird that this happens on 4.2.2 but not on 4.1.2?
Dec 11 21:43:04 <Groxx> Gentrified Chipotle Market?
Dec 11 21:43:31 <skullcrasher> google cloud messaging
Dec 11 21:43:31 <Groxx> DammitJim: not really.  _slightly_, but that kind of behavior is impacted by so many things, you really can't predict it.
Dec 11 21:43:57 <g00s> skullcrasher oh , well add this to whatever you find https://blog.pushbullet.com/2014/02/12/keeping-google-cloud-messaging-for-android-working-reliably-techincal-post/
Dec 11 21:43:59 <DammitJim> so, it could be because it's a different model phone and depending on the other software they are running?
Dec 11 21:44:07 <drinfernoo> has anyone got a working toolbar with tabs that i could look at? I'm trying to figure out how to manage tab width to have my tabs spam the screen width instead of being squished to one side
Dec 11 21:44:11 <Groxx> skullcrasher: I don't actually know, but I suspect it's keepalive, plus periodic re-connections because mobile connections suck.
Dec 11 21:44:40 <Groxx> it might switch to polling in some cases though, as keepalive isn't really a guarantee by any stretch.
Dec 11 21:45:16 <Groxx> DammitJim: yeah.  more memory pressure for some reason, shorter default-background-lifespan for some reason, anything.
Dec 11 21:46:09 <skullcrasher> ok. I just look for an alternative to it and came across rabbitMQ. And I read that keepalive and stuff can be very power intensive. So I wanted to know how google handles this :)
Dec 11 21:46:32 <DammitJim> is there a way for me to monitor that?
Dec 11 21:46:34 <Groxx> DammitJim: but the fact that it dying is a problem means 100% that you're doing something wrong in the first place.  foreground services are very reliable (nothing is 100%, but it's the best you can get), and process deaths are extremely common if you're in the background.  less likely while you're developing, because you're keeping the device up and active, but it's normal behavior for Android.
Dec 11 21:47:00 <skullcrasher> bute if they handle it similar there should also be not much difference then.
Dec 11 21:47:14 <DammitJim> Groxx, I don't know for sure it's dying... all I know is that it's performing an action more often than normal
Dec 11 21:48:43 <Groxx> DammitJim: from within your app: no.  from logcat: maybe.  you can also `adb shell dumpsys activity services` to view all running services.  check it periodically and you get some idea when it happens.
Dec 11 21:49:05 <DammitJim> now that's very helpful!
Dec 11 21:49:08 <DammitJim> adb shell dumpsys
Dec 11 21:49:10 <Groxx> ah.  how are you setting up this 15 minute restart?
Dec 11 21:49:43 <DammitJim> it's not a 15 minute restart
Dec 11 21:49:51 <DammitJim> it just makes a web service call every 15 minutes
Dec 11 21:49:57 <DammitJim> (a thread sleeps)
Dec 11 21:50:11 <Groxx> ah.  that's probably the worst way to do that, btw :)
Dec 11 21:50:25 <DammitJim> but then there are also other things that the system should be monitoring that are failing (like checking if one is connected to a wifi network and reporting it
Dec 11 21:50:34 <DammitJim> alarms, right?
Dec 11 21:50:50 <Groxx> alarms, yeah.  they'll also start your process if it died in the meantime.
Dec 11 21:51:17 <kruug> ok, so I'm trying to create a new ProgressDialog, but what does it mean by "Context"?
Dec 11 21:51:29 <Groxx> if it only matters while your process is running: you're probably better off using something like a Timer or postDelayed.  but alarms are generally a better way, and more correct.
Dec 11 21:52:04 <DammitJim> I'll work on the alarms; however, that still doesn't take care of the other issues
Dec 11 21:52:05 <Groxx> kruug: oh boy.  big subject.  super-tl;dr: an Activity, Service, or Application
Dec 11 21:52:28 <Groxx> DammitJim: what are the others?
Dec 11 21:52:39 <DammitJim> adb shell dumpsys totally spit out a ton of info!
Dec 11 21:52:48 <Groxx> dumpsys is awesome like that :)
Dec 11 21:52:50 <kruug> Groxx: ok, let me make the question more pointed.  What do I put there?  I'm attempting to just show a circle spinner while network data is downloaded in the background
Dec 11 21:52:56 <DammitJim> keep in mind this is for a special device
Dec 11 21:53:11 <DammitJim> I monitor the RSSI and if it is below a certain dBm, I disconnect it
Dec 11 21:53:28 <DammitJim> well, on 4.2.2 this doesn't disconnect, but it does disconnect on 4.1.2
Dec 11 21:53:34 <kruug> Everything I've found says "MainActivity.this" but when I put my mainclass.this in there, it tells me "Not an enclosing class"
Dec 11 21:53:49 <DammitJim> again, a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 running 4.1.2 works, but not Samsung Mega running 4.2.2
Dec 11 21:53:52 <Groxx> DammitJim: if you check out the first handful of lines of `adb shell dumpsys`, you'll see a list of "dumpsys services".  that's the "activity" in `adb shell dumpsys activity services`.  "services" is a sub-command to "dumpsys activity" - that varies, and is probably documented at the start of `adb shell dumpsys activity`.
Dec 11 21:54:49 <Groxx> bah, dumpsys activity just lists them out one after the other.  but they have a "header row" that includes an example command.
Dec 11 21:56:08 <Groxx> kruug: fixing that depends on a few things.  mind sticking your code somewhere?
Dec 11 21:56:35 <Groxx> also: how familiar are you with java?  sounds like you might be beginner-ish?
Dec 11 21:56:51 <DammitJim> weird, the guy that is experiencing the problem just sent me a logcat, but it doesn't even have my service listed
Dec 11 21:56:58 <kruug> Groxx: would github be fine?
Dec 11 21:57:16 <kruug> also, I've had some formal training, but not enough...this is kind of my intro to Android dev
Dec 11 21:58:48 <Groxx> kruug: yeah, probably use a gist, or pastebin works too
Dec 11 21:59:00 <JesusFreke> kruug: http://www.doubleencore.com/2013/06/context/ :)
Dec 11 21:59:17 <JesusFreke> I haven't actually read over that carefully, but it looked promising after a brief skim
Dec 11 21:59:38 <Groxx> yeah, it seems like a decent-ish description of what Context is.
Dec 11 22:00:12 <Groxx> it still misses answering the "but wtf actually IS it" part though :\
Dec 11 22:00:30 <kruug> Groxx: http://pastebin.com/cqLmQPBe
Dec 11 22:00:38 <DammitJim> can you guys recommend a certain resource monitor that could help me figure out when they are getting low and potentially android would want to kill my service?
Dec 11 22:00:45 <kruug> I tried to only copy what was necessary, please let me know if you need more for context :)
Dec 11 22:02:00 <Groxx> kruug: is DownloadLists nested inside MainBrowser?  and it's definitely not a "static class"?
Dec 11 22:02:25 <Groxx> though you can probably just use mContext fwiw, and it'll work without any other changes
Dec 11 22:02:53 <kruug> DownloadLists is a class within the same file as MainBrowser (MainBrowser.java) but it's after the MainBrowser class
Dec 11 22:03:58 <kruug> let me try mContext real quick.
Dec 11 22:04:41 <JesusFreke> kruug: "within the same file" - is it within the main class? Or outside of it?
Dec 11 22:04:50 <JesusFreke> if the latter, that is considered bad practice in java :)
Dec 11 22:05:08 <JesusFreke> Each top level class should be in its own file
Dec 11 22:06:07 <kruug> JesusFreke: Outside.  Yeah, I was having trouble getting it straight in my head how to pass everything around.  I'll fix it after I get it working :)
Dec 11 22:08:33 <kruug> Ok, here's the error I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/BbUF6uhz
Dec 11 22:09:12 <JesusFreke> kruug: mContext is likely null then
Dec 11 22:10:07 <Groxx> I love ART's null-method-call stacktraces.
Dec 11 22:10:20 <pfn> Groxx, exxception message
Dec 11 22:10:25 <pfn> not stack trace
Dec 11 22:10:28 <pfn> the trace remains unchanged
Dec 11 22:10:34 <JesusFreke> pedantic much? :)
Dec 11 22:10:35 <Groxx> true.  messages then.
Dec 11 22:11:29 <kruug> ok, so I've got public void ServerOperation (Context context) { mContext = context; }.  How can I ensure that that's run before the ProgressDialog is created?  and what would I pass it?
Dec 11 22:12:45 <JesusFreke> by calling it before the ProgressDialog is created? and you would pass it a context?
Dec 11 22:13:11 <JesusFreke> sorry for the slight snarkiness, but you can't really answer questions like that without more context
Dec 11 22:13:59 <pfn> pun intended?
Dec 11 22:14:01 <kruug> JesusFreke: right, that's what I'm trying to understand.  What does "context" mean in this context?  What is it looking for?
Dec 11 22:14:04 <pfn> JesusFreke,
Dec 11 22:14:46 <JesusFreke> kruug: http://www.doubleencore.com/2013/06/context/ :)
Dec 11 22:15:01 <g00s> Dave Smith's blogs & stuff are excellent
Dec 11 22:15:10 <JesusFreke> In particular, see the "Show a dialog" line in the grid
Dec 11 22:15:24 <Groxx> kruug: Context is a class that, essentially, gives you access to your app's resources.  Styles, filesystem folders, etc.  Activities and Services _are_ Contexts, the system sets that up for you.  so you'd just pass MainActivity.this.
Dec 11 22:16:01 <Groxx> Contexts are needed pretty much any time you do any kind of interaction with the OS (including displaying things)
Dec 11 22:16:01 <kruug> MainActivity meaning what in this context?  I have nothing in my code called MainActivity
Dec 11 22:16:18 <Groxx> kruug: sorry.  MainBrowser.this.
Dec 11 22:16:39 <Groxx> I think MainActivity is overriding my brain because I thought i read it somewhere.
Dec 11 22:16:43 <kruug> That tells me "MainBrowser is not an enclosing class"
Dec 11 22:16:43 <JesusFreke> ^ really only makes sense in an inner class
Dec 11 22:17:00 <kruug> yeah, MainActivity is what all of the documentation calls it
Dec 11 22:17:15 <Groxx> JesusFreke: well, it does no harm in the class itself.  just more typing.
Dec 11 22:17:17 <JesusFreke> you have to pass a reference to your activity to.. wherever you need to use it
Dec 11 22:17:57 <matt90> I'm deploying code to 10-30 devices during testing and ADB is sloooooow
Dec 11 22:18:25 <Groxx> matt90: I'd guess you can do that in parallel?  though I've never tried.
Dec 11 22:18:27 <matt90> is anybody swapping packages over the air?
Dec 11 22:18:28 <kruug> So, when I do the .execute() call, I need to pass something?
Dec 11 22:18:38 <Groxx> kruug: before .execute
Dec 11 22:18:44 <JesusFreke> kruug: does .execute() take an argument?
Dec 11 22:18:50 <kruug> JesusFreke: IDK
Dec 11 22:18:59 <kruug> it's not erroring without one
Dec 11 22:19:00 <JesusFreke> kruug: look at the javadoc
Dec 11 22:19:15 <kruug> If I understood javadocs, I wouldn't be here right now...
Dec 11 22:19:42 <JesusFreke> if you don't know how to determine if a method takes an argument or not.. you might want to learn that :)
Dec 11 22:19:49 <matt90> if I have root on the devices is it going to be much more complicated than just overwriting the apk for my application to deploy it?
Dec 11 22:20:41 <kruug> JesusFreke: yeah, I usually type in the method followed by '(' and wait to see what the IDE's intelligent thingy pop-ups up with.
Dec 11 22:21:08 <bankai_au> oh dear :/
Dec 11 22:21:25 <JesusFreke> kruug: that's one way of doing it - but that should really only be used as a quick reminder
Dec 11 22:21:59 <JesusFreke> if you're trying to figure out the api, you really need to look at the javadocs
Dec 11 22:22:08 <kruug> JesusFreke: that's how my VB.Net course taught :)
Dec 11 22:22:11 <JesusFreke> it will (well.. should) describe the arguments, etc.
Dec 11 22:22:36 <kruug> JesusFreke: like I said, if I could understand what's being communicated through the javadocs, I wouldn't be here
Dec 11 22:22:41 <sarbs> i don't know what i'd do without autocomplete
Dec 11 22:23:02 <sarbs> my output would fall so fast there'd be a hole in the ground
Dec 11 22:23:36 <matt90> a few months without autocomplete is a great way to become an expert at an API
Dec 11 22:23:53 <sarbs> no kidding hehe
Dec 11 22:24:31 <drinfernoo> anyone with experience using tabs with the new Toolbar?
Dec 11 22:24:33 <kruug> argh...so I did `download.mContext = MainBrowser.this;` before the `download.execute();` but I still got `Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'android.content.res.Resources$Theme android.content.Context.getTheme()' on a null object reference`
Dec 11 22:26:33 <drinfernoo> no?
Dec 11 22:26:48 <pfn> why use the new toolbar?
Dec 11 22:26:52 * pfn hasn't found any compelling reason
Dec 11 22:26:59 <pfn> unless your app wants to do animations or transitions against it
Dec 11 22:27:03 <kruug> hmmm...maybe I should do an inline thread instead of a seperate class with async.
Dec 11 22:30:46 <drinfernoo> pfn why not? im going for MD
Dec 11 22:30:58 <Groxx> pfn: if actionbar works, probably no real reason.  as far as I've seen anyway.
Dec 11 22:31:23 <pfn> Groxx, mostly it's if you want to do something unconventional...
Dec 11 22:31:29 <pfn> like placing it anywhere in layout
Dec 11 22:31:33 <pfn> or animating it off screen
Dec 11 22:31:35 <Groxx> ah, though that's mostly directed at drinfernoo.  wrong mention, sorry :)
Dec 11 22:31:42 <JesusFreke> kruug: I think the part you might be missing is that the dialog field in your class will be initialized before you set mContext
Dec 11 22:31:52 <Groxx> yeah, I despise actionbar.  massively non-configurable and uncontrollable.
Dec 11 22:32:01 <Groxx> but it's reasonably simple if you want to only do something reasonably simple.
Dec 11 22:32:03 <pfn> I generally like action bar
Dec 11 22:32:13 <pfn> my designs rarely want to do anything different with it
Dec 11 22:32:18 <drinfernoo> pfn: why not? im going for MD and flexibility
Dec 11 22:32:19 <JesusFreke> the "new ProgressDialog()" thing happens before anything in the constructor runs
Dec 11 22:32:20 <Groxx> yeah, then it's fine
Dec 11 22:32:28 <Groxx> I just continually need to do something else :)
Dec 11 22:32:36 <drinfernoo> Groxx, im trying to figure out how to get tabs working correctly with it
Dec 11 22:32:40 <pfn> Groxx, such as? self-imposed or by someone else?
Dec 11 22:32:45 <JesusFreke> instead, do dialog = new ProgressDialog() in the constructor, rather than as a field initializer
Dec 11 22:32:52 <pfn> drinfernoo, <Toolbar><tab-view/></Toolbar>
Dec 11 22:32:54 <pfn> drinfernoo, what's wrong with that?
Dec 11 22:33:11 <pfn> tab/drop-down nav aren't supported automatically in toolbar as I see it...
Dec 11 22:33:14 <Groxx> pfn: both.  and generally just more control over what's shown, instead of text, and scrolling out of the way, and fancier styling.
Dec 11 22:33:42 <Groxx> also animations
Dec 11 22:36:04 <kruug> JesusFreke: so, in teh PreExecute?  Then how do I dismiss it in the PostExecute?
Dec 11 22:36:13 <drinfernoo> Groxx: trying to get my tab width right
Dec 11 22:36:18 <drinfernoo> hold on ill link my code
Dec 11 22:36:22 <kruug> or should I just do it in the doInBackground?
Dec 11 22:36:22 <JesusFreke> kruug: no, in the constructor... like I said :)
Dec 11 22:36:38 <JesusFreke> but onPreExecute works too
Dec 11 22:36:51 <Groxx> pfn: basically I dislike it for the same reasons I dislike ListView.  it works fine at a high level, relatively easy to use, great.  love it.  but there's no "clean" underlying thing you can use instead.  it's just one special-cased implementation and you're screwed if you ever need to migrate away from it.
Dec 11 22:37:31 <JesusFreke> but if you set the field in onPreExecute, you'll have to remove the "final" flag from the field
Dec 11 22:37:45 <drinfernoo> https://github.com/drinfernoo/Cuber
Dec 11 22:38:19 <kruug> JesusFreke: yeah, if I'm understanding this right, it was in the constructor...
Dec 11 22:38:31 <drinfernoo> im using SlidingTabLayout, almost c/p from the samples, but with three tabs, and theyre left justified instead of spread over the screen width
Dec 11 22:39:16 <kruug> wait...no I'm not.
Dec 11 22:39:24 <pfn> Groxx, I suppose
Dec 11 22:39:45 <JesusFreke> kruug: well, sort-of
Dec 11 22:39:50 <kruug> ok, that's a bust...
Dec 11 22:39:51 <g00s> drinfernoo did you set the toolbar height ok ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26491689/how-do-i-declare-an-extended-height-toolbar-action-bar-on-android-lollipop
Dec 11 22:40:09 <kruug> the main thread didn't wait for the async to download the content before trying to display it
Dec 11 22:40:22 <pfn> it's async
Dec 11 22:40:26 <pfn> that's the whole meaning of the word
Dec 11 22:40:27 <kruug> yeah, I know
Dec 11 22:40:30 <kruug> async sucks
Dec 11 22:41:04 <Groxx> drinfernoo: screenshot?  is it possible the text justs need a `android:gravity="center"` style?
Dec 11 22:41:12 <Groxx> bleh typing.
Dec 11 22:41:16 <kruug> app crashes because it attempts to move on while waiting for the download, so I'm trying to block it with a progress wheel, but I can't get that wheel to show up and block
Dec 11 22:43:14 <JesusFreke> kruug: call MyActivity.doTheStuffINeedToDoAfterDownload() in your ASyncTask's postExecute
Dec 11 22:43:51 <JesusFreke> postExecute will be called on the main thread, so you can update UI or whatever you need to do there
Dec 11 22:46:32 <drinfernoo> http://imgur.com/FXqeTQO
Dec 11 22:46:39 <drinfernoo> sorry
Dec 11 22:47:19 <kruug> JesusFreke: won't let me because it's not a static method
Dec 11 22:47:40 <Groxx> drinfernoo: drat.  that probably won't work then.
Dec 11 22:47:43 <kruug> and I can't change it to static because then I can't call the `findViewById` non-static method
Dec 11 22:47:45 <JesusFreke> kruug: hint: you passed in a reference to your activity.. :)
Dec 11 22:48:45 <kruug> JesusFreke: context?  I set it, I didn't pass it
Dec 11 22:49:28 <drinfernoo> Groxx: and i dint think it has to do with the height of the toolbar either
Dec 11 22:49:42 <Groxx> drinfernoo: oh.  call `slidingTabLayout.setDistributeEvenly(true)`, sounds like that'll fix it.
Dec 11 22:49:43 <JesusFreke> kruug: yes. so change the type of the field to MainBrowser or whatever. And then you can call non-static public fields on it.
Dec 11 22:49:55 <drinfernoo> ohh ill give it a shot
Dec 11 22:50:41 <kruug> JesusFreke: that's so crazy, it might just work
Dec 11 22:51:05 <JesusFreke> kruug: that's essentially what using "MainBrowser.this" from within an inner class does
Dec 11 22:51:29 <JesusFreke> behind the scenes, it passes in a reference to the MainBrowser class to a hidden field in the inner class
Dec 11 22:51:45 <JesusFreke> so we're just doing the same thing.. except not in an inner class
Dec 11 22:52:25 <kruug> hey, the processing wheel is finally displaying!
Dec 11 22:52:36 <JesusFreke> But it would likely be cleaner to make the AsyncTask an inner class of the activity
Dec 11 22:53:18 <kruug> Probably, but wouldn't I also want to make this it's own .java file for future projects?
Dec 11 22:54:13 <Groxx> kruug: probably not.  something this simple isn't likely to be worth reusing, and you'll probably come up with something better after working in java / android for a bit longer.
Dec 11 22:54:27 <kruug> Groxx: true.
Dec 11 22:54:48 <Groxx> also, making it actually reusable might be too tricky at the moment.
Dec 11 22:55:02 <kruug> hmm.  "Failed to set EGL_SWAP_BEHAVIOR on surface 0x........, error=EGL_SUCCESS"
Dec 11 22:55:08 <kruug> error, success?
Dec 11 22:55:23 <Groxx> did the app crash, or is that just logged?
Dec 11 22:55:28 <kruug> logged
Dec 11 22:56:06 <kruug> and those dots are random hex chars
Dec 11 22:56:12 <kruug> well, hex numbers
Dec 11 22:56:13 <Groxx> probably nothing you did.  logs like that are fairly common on some devices, there's not necessarily anything you can do about it.
Dec 11 22:56:46 <hwrdprkns> so... is logging expensive?
Dec 11 22:56:48 <Groxx> yeah, that's the hashcode of the object, _basically_ it's unique ID (but not quite).  don't worry about it.
Dec 11 22:56:51 <hwrdprkns> clearly not prohibitively
Dec 11 22:57:11 <Groxx> hwrdprkns: in a tight loop: definitely.  occasionally: meh.
Dec 11 22:57:40 <Groxx> garbage collection is worse, usually
Dec 11 22:57:50 <kruug> hmmm...I should have added which url it's currently downloading to the log...
Dec 11 22:58:08 <kruug> it's still spinning and it hasn't moved past the start of the ASync
Dec 11 22:58:55 <Groxx> hwrdprkns: I don't know off-hand how it's built, but it involves at least a cross-process call, possibly file-system writes (depends on buffering / when you call it), etc.  so it is, but usually it's not noticeable.
Dec 11 22:59:49 <TacticalJoke> If using recursion, how deep can we go before we cause the stack to overflow?
Dec 11 23:00:10 <hwrdprkns> Groxx: Interesting. Doesn't seem expensive, just complex
Dec 11 23:00:23 <pfn> TacticalJoke, depends on what you're pushing on the stack
Dec 11 23:00:42 <hwrdprkns> I think if it had real impact Samsung + homies would probably limit the amount of log calls their apps make... since they make so many
Dec 11 23:00:43 <TacticalJoke> Let's say that I'm pushing an object reference and an integer.
Dec 11 23:00:45 <pfn> TacticalJoke, several hundred levels deep pretty easily
Dec 11 23:00:48 <kruug> Thanks guys.
Dec 11 23:00:49 <TacticalJoke> K.
Dec 11 23:01:06 <pfn> but if you're ever concerned about recursion overflowing, you should unroll it
Dec 11 23:01:40 <TacticalJoke> Ya.  I think I'm safe in this case (Reddit comments, where I can tell the server how deep to go).
Dec 11 23:01:49 <TacticalJoke> Basically, I'm flattening the tree before giving it to my adapter.
Dec 11 23:02:12 <TacticalJoke> I don't know whether or not this is a good idea.  Just a first hack.  lol
Dec 11 23:02:45 <TacticalJoke> I guess the alternative is that the adapter has to traverse the tree, which doesn't sound great.
Dec 11 23:03:24 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, would you guys do this?
Dec 11 23:03:39 <TacticalJoke> Basically, I'm taking a tree of comments and flattening them (but keeping track of an 'indent level').
Dec 11 23:03:54 <g00s> used to be the call stack on android couldn't be too big (dvm) not sure what it is now
Dec 11 23:03:57 <TacticalJoke> Then my adapter gets a flat list and can simply return an item in that list.
Dec 11 23:04:24 <TacticalJoke> And the indent leve tells it where it is in the (now imaginary) tree.
Dec 11 23:04:25 <TacticalJoke> level*
Dec 11 23:05:22 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Okay.  In any case, my recursive method can check whether (indentLevel > SOMETHING) and just stop recursing if so.
Dec 11 23:05:41 <TacticalJoke> Though I think that'll never happen (unless the Reddit server malfunctions).
Dec 11 23:05:52 <pfn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16843357/what-is-the-android-ui-thread-stack-size-limit-and-how-to-overcome-it
Dec 11 23:06:06 <pfn> thread stack size ranges from 8-16kb up to api17 allegedly
Dec 11 23:06:26 <pfn> TacticalJoke, and locals eat up stack, don't forget
Dec 11 23:06:48 <TacticalJoke> Thanks, pfn.  :)
Dec 11 23:07:17 <pfn> of course, the most each local takes is only ever 4 or 8 bytes or so
Dec 11 23:08:05 <pfn> and yeah, no tail-recursion optimization present in any version of android yet
Dec 11 23:08:24 <pfn> nowhere in java, either
Dec 11 23:08:27 <TacticalJoke> According to my calculations, I might have 500 levels of recursion to play with.
Dec 11 23:12:51 <s73v3r> hey, anyone have a thought on how I might add the George Lucas transition to a view in my app?
Dec 11 23:13:21 <g00s> s73v3r first, pay royalties
Dec 11 23:13:25 <pfn> the what?
Dec 11 23:13:39 <s73v3r> just the plain wipe transition
Dec 11 23:13:46 <s73v3r> George Lucas used it constantly in Star Wars
Dec 11 23:13:52 <Groxx> s73v3r: haha, nice name :)
Dec 11 23:14:54 <Groxx> seems like… maybe an alpha-gradient, and animate the start/stop position?  I haven't done much with activity transitions though.
Dec 11 23:15:10 <s73v3r> this isn’t between activities. It’s in the same activity
Dec 11 23:15:20 <Groxx> ah
Dec 11 23:16:14 <Groxx> same approach still.  if you want to quick-and-dirty it, I usually just write out some horrible code in onDraw.
Dec 11 23:18:09 <pfn> oh god... I was wondering wtf I wasn't seeing any adb devices
Dec 11 23:18:12 <pfn> I was checking in my vm
Dec 11 23:18:13 <pfn> and not my host
Dec 11 23:19:06 <Groxx> heh
Dec 11 23:19:24 <Groxx> I've had problems with ADB in vms.  randomly disconnects within a minute or so.
Dec 11 23:20:10 <pfn> I rarely use it in vm
Dec 11 23:20:39 <Groxx> pfn: did you encounter anything like that / have you done anything to fix it?  I haven't figured it out, but it made building firefoxOS a real pain (the script assumes the device will stay connected long enough to dump the OS)
Dec 11 23:22:31 <pfn> nope, I only attach to vm when I want to develop from commandline without IDE
Dec 11 23:22:37 <pfn> like when I'm ssh in remotely
Dec 11 23:22:52 <pfn> and it generally works fine when I do that
Dec 11 23:25:32 <Groxx> pfn: what OS do you run in the VM?  maybe mine just has issues with adb.
Dec 11 23:25:38 <pfn> linux
Dec 11 23:25:44 <Groxx> well.
Dec 11 23:25:51 <pfn> I like windows desktop, so I use that as host
Dec 11 23:25:59 <Groxx> I think mine is Ubuntu 12.0.4 LTS
Dec 11 23:26:49 <pfn> wtf, why is EXTRA_NO_CONNECTIVITY always false when I turn wifi off on my tablet
Dec 11 23:27:49 <pfn> oh, api21 does it differently, that's annoying
Dec 11 23:27:54 <Groxx> pfn: is bluetooth on maybe?
Dec 11 23:28:07 <pfn> bluetooth isn't on
Dec 11 23:28:20 <Groxx> differently: how?  sounds annoying
Dec 11 23:28:20 <pfn> yay for more behavior changes that are undocumented
Dec 11 23:29:10 <g00s> they are now documented in irc logs :)
Dec 11 23:29:29 <pfn> EXTRA_NO_CONNECTIVITY no longer shows up for lollipop it seems
Dec 11 23:29:31 <pfn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27144026/how-can-i-receive-a-notification-when-the-device-loses-network-connectivity-in-a
Dec 11 23:37:12 <pfn> but that solution in stackoverflow is fucking ugly
Dec 11 23:37:27 <pfn> I'll just poll getActiveNetworkInfo/isConnected on connectivity change
Dec 11 23:38:15 <Groxx> yeah.  still sadface-inducing though
Dec 11 23:38:38 <pfn> I should file a bug, but I'm fucking lazy
Dec 11 23:39:00 <Groxx> I'd say "join the party", but…
Dec 11 23:41:07 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/qicr/blob/master/common/src/com/hanhuy/android/irc/IrcManager.scala#L498
Dec 11 23:41:12 <pfn> apparently I already do something like that for qicr
Dec 11 23:41:23 <pfn> check both extra no_connectivity in addition to the networkinfo
Dec 11 23:41:57 <drinfernoo> Groxx, i don't have a setDistributeEvenly method :( i tried setFillViewport(true), but no dice
Dec 11 23:43:19 <jalcine> looks like you can write core libs in Go for Android https://blog.golang.org/go1.4
Dec 11 23:43:53 <Groxx> drinfernoo: huh.  maybe the changed the source.  I found that method referenced here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27033292/align-center-slidingtablayout/27210491 and that includes source that looks at least promising.  you could probably just modify whatever you're using to do something similar to how mDistributeEvenly is being used.
Dec 11 23:44:02 <pfn> jalcine, not interested
Dec 11 23:44:07 * pfn don't like golang
Dec 11 23:44:23 <pfn> if someone would write some haskell android bindings...
Dec 11 23:44:28 <pfn> and for ios
Dec 11 23:44:40 <pfn> all ndk otherwise, meh
Dec 11 23:44:49 <Groxx> jalcine: cool, official support.  maybe I'll finally try go :)
Dec 11 23:45:02 <Groxx> using the incredible amounts of free time I have, obviously
Dec 11 23:45:59 <jalcine> same here lol
Dec 11 23:46:14 <jalcine> pfn: I haven't played with too much haskell, I need to get on that
Dec 11 23:46:18 <jalcine> for experience's sake
Dec 11 23:46:27 <Groxx> same
Dec 11 23:46:40 <Groxx> though I can't decide between haskell and ocaml.  dependent types sound really fantastic.
Dec 11 23:48:09 <pfn> I'd go with haskell just because it has a presence in the tiobe index
Dec 11 23:48:14 <shmooz> pfn: do you hate doing it in java ?
Dec 11 23:48:30 <pfn> shmooz, doing what? android? I hate everything java-language
Dec 11 23:48:36 <shmooz> yes
Dec 11 23:48:50 <pfn> shmooz, I don't do android in java, except that I get paid for it, so I continue to do so
Dec 11 23:49:00 <pfn> but everything else is not-java when I can help it
Dec 11 23:49:16 <shmooz> why do you hate java ?
Dec 11 23:49:18 <Groxx> pfn: I forget, are you a scala-er?
Dec 11 23:49:18 <jalcine> interesting, looks like Go is looking to cross-build for Android *and* iOS
Dec 11 23:49:38 <pfn> shmooz, because it's a terrible language and that's all there is that I care to say
Dec 11 23:49:39 <g00s> ios got ocaml recently
Dec 11 23:49:41 <pfn> Groxx, for android, yeah
Dec 11 23:49:51 <jalcine> I find this interesting because some companies build core functionality in a "native" lang then tie Java in
Dec 11 23:50:00 <pfn> jalcine, of course
Dec 11 23:50:06 <Groxx> jalcine: yeah, cross-platform libs are great
Dec 11 23:54:23 <sarbs> is Go, like, a serious thing? i get the impression it's like jaden smith. like, ok, everyone has heard of it.. and as far as i can tell it's trying to be taken seriously... but... come on.
Dec 11 23:54:36 <pfn> awww, github doesn't show language breakdown for users anymore
Dec 11 23:56:47 <Groxx> sarbs: afaik it's reasonably serious.  google seems supportive of it (e.g. their cloud will run it) and it has some nice, pragmatic qualities.
Dec 11 23:57:07 <sarbs> hmm.
Dec 11 23:57:15 <Groxx> some "wtf were you thinking" ones too, but they don't seem to be trying too hard for static-type-safety
Dec 11 23:58:14 <Groxx> iirc google has even rewritten a number of back-end things in go.  not that that's proof of seriousness / official support, but it's something.  it Works™.
Dec 11 23:59:18 <aceus> Hey
Dec 11 23:59:37 <aceus> Is it possible to pass a string from a widget buttonclick to a new activity?
Dec 11 23:59:52 <sarbs> aceus sure, as an extra in the intent that you start the activity with
Dec 12 00:00:15 <aceus> Yeah, thought so too. I've tried alot of different methods without succeeding
Dec 12 00:00:19 <aceus> Can i pastebin my code here?
Dec 12 00:00:54 <s73v3r> well, no, you kinda need to pastebin it on pastebin. You can give us a link to your pastebin here
Dec 12 00:01:07 <shmooz> lol
Dec 12 00:01:30 <aceus> :P
Dec 12 00:01:31 <shmooz> aceus: you mean paste the pastebin link here
Dec 12 00:01:41 <aceus> ofcourse
Dec 12 00:02:00 <aceus> verbalize!
Dec 12 00:02:20 <JesusFreke> ahhhhhhhh
Dec 12 00:02:23 * JesusFreke verbalizes
Dec 12 00:02:45 * JesusFreke also vocalizes
Dec 12 00:03:01 <s73v3r> looks like plans to paste that code were… cut?
Dec 12 00:03:24 <sarbs> -_-
Dec 12 00:03:29 <aceus> From my widget config: http://pastebin.com/SQHJn9fB
Dec 12 00:03:31 <shmooz> attention deficit disorde
Dec 12 00:04:21 <aceus> My activity onCreate() System.out.println(getIntent().getExtras().getString("title"));
Dec 12 00:05:03 <aceus> protected void onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) { } ....
Dec 12 00:05:16 <Groxx> aceus: unless you really need a bundle, skip making a new one, and just .putExtra(title_key, "yo")
Dec 12 00:05:23 <aceus> okey
Dec 12 00:05:26 <aceus> i'll try it
Dec 12 00:05:34 <aceus> is my receiving OK in the onCreate method?
Dec 12 00:06:03 <Groxx> seems like probably.  you might be better off using "getStringExtra(title_key)" though
Dec 12 00:06:09 <JesusFreke> aceus: add an action on the intent. Just use something random, like the name of your activity class or something
Dec 12 00:07:10 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 00:07:10 <JesusFreke> or, possibly try using PendingIntent.FLAG_ONE_SHOT
Dec 12 00:07:20 <Groxx> aceus: getExtras() copies the underlying bundle every time, which is just wasteful.
Dec 12 00:07:30 <aceus> yep
Dec 12 00:07:33 <aceus> i removed the bundle...
Dec 12 00:08:28 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 00:08:33 <JesusFreke> hmm, actually. FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT might be what you want.
Dec 12 00:08:40 <Groxx> ah, yeah, PendingIntent.  they're subtly confusing.  tl;dr: pending intents are stored by the system, and only replaced if they're not "equal".  extras do not count when determining equality.
Dec 12 00:08:48 <JesusFreke> the "problem" with pending intents is that.. ^ yeah. what he said :)
Dec 12 00:09:15 <aceus> ok
Dec 12 00:09:19 <pfn> ugh, I really wish ViewServer were included in a support lib or something
Dec 12 00:09:34 <pfn> I so hate having to copy/paste it into my projects everytime I need it
Dec 12 00:09:39 <pfn> romain needs to publish that shit to maven
Dec 12 00:09:55 <Groxx> pfn: no kidding.
Dec 12 00:10:01 <aceus> Shall i add FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT to intent.setFlags() ?
Dec 12 00:10:13 <sarbs> qu'est que c'est ViewServer
Dec 12 00:10:29 <Groxx> aceus: there's a magical fix: put a new random integer as the "request code" when you get the pending intent.  different request codes _do_ affect equality.
Dec 12 00:10:41 <Groxx> there's a risk of overlap, but it's so super low it doesn't really matter.
Dec 12 00:10:41 <pfn> I think I'll just start publishing viewserver myself
Dec 12 00:10:46 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 00:10:50 <JesusFreke> yeah, that's probably the best idea
Dec 12 00:10:57 <Groxx> update_current can work too, or cancel_current.
Dec 12 00:11:13 <pfn> still annoying that no one's done it
Dec 12 00:11:13 <Groxx> I forget exactly what the caveats are there
Dec 12 00:12:51 <aceus> Intent.FLAG_ONE_SHOT is not found
Dec 12 00:13:00 <Groxx> aceus: it's a PendingIntent flag
Dec 12 00:13:04 <aceus> Intent.FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT neither
Dec 12 00:13:05 <aceus> okey
Dec 12 00:13:12 <JesusFreke> yeah, I think you can ignore that suggestion (the ONE_SHOT one
Dec 12 00:13:13 <JesusFreke> )
Dec 12 00:13:43 <aceus> okey
Dec 12 00:13:50 <aceus> how do i set the flags for a pending intent?
Dec 12 00:13:52 <Groxx> ONE_SHOT invalidates the pending intent after it's "fired".  it _largely_ seems like a security thing to me.  you can give pending intents to other processes, and that's one way to ensure they can only use it once.
Dec 12 00:14:02 <Groxx> aceus: last arg on PendingIntent.getActivity()
Dec 12 00:15:21 <aceus> Like this:      PendingIntent p = PendingIntent.getActivity(context, 0, intent, PendingIntent.FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT); ?
Dec 12 00:17:38 <aceus> Uh didn't work =/
Dec 12 00:18:06 <pfn> fucking stupid maven plugin
Dec 12 00:18:12 <pfn> it keeps setting android:debuggable=false in my manifest
Dec 12 00:18:16 <pfn> wtf doesn't it leave that shit alone
Dec 12 00:18:38 <aceus> Oh!
Dec 12 00:18:42 <aceus> Sorry!
Dec 12 00:18:44 <aceus> It worked!
Dec 12 00:18:53 <JesusFreke> Yay!
Dec 12 00:18:54 <Groxx> w00t
Dec 12 00:18:57 <aceus> wow!
Dec 12 00:18:58 <Groxx> make sure it works twice ;)
Dec 12 00:19:02 <aceus> HUGE THANKS!
Dec 12 00:19:14 <Groxx> and that it's not delivering stale data.
Dec 12 00:19:17 <aceus> I've put like 3 hours into this
Dec 12 00:19:23 <aceus> what's stale data?
Dec 12 00:19:24 <Groxx> total paranoia, but worth being paranoid about
Dec 12 00:20:30 <Groxx> depending on what you did, the pending intent's data might not be updated the second time, because Android (and for semi-decent efficiency reasons).  so you might be sending the first pending intent's extras, and not the second.
Dec 12 00:23:00 <aceus> nope
Dec 12 00:23:07 <aceus> seems to be true :/
Dec 12 00:23:23 <aceus> If i have to widgets with 2 different strings, only the first string is being sent
Dec 12 00:23:24 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 00:23:37 <JesusFreke> aceus: use a different request id for them
Dec 12 00:23:43 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 00:23:45 <aceus> ok
Dec 12 00:24:00 <JesusFreke> requestCode, rather
Dec 12 00:24:12 <JesusFreke> the second argument to PendingIntent.getActivity()
Dec 12 00:24:43 <aceus> a stupid question... shall i just use a static incremental int for that?
Dec 12 00:25:05 <aceus> or how do i get a unique requestcode for each?
Dec 12 00:25:45 <JesusFreke> just use a different hard-coded value
Dec 12 00:26:24 <JesusFreke> unless you need lots of them, or need to dynamically generate them
Dec 12 00:26:35 <Groxx> aceus: if you do that, it'll reset when your process dies.  so it'll probably work fine most of the time, but it will have problems occasionally.
Dec 12 00:26:39 <JesusFreke> in which case, yeah. just a sequentially increasin number, or just a randomly generated number
Dec 12 00:26:51 <aceus> okey
Dec 12 00:26:57 <aceus> i'll try with my widgetID
Dec 12 00:27:17 <Groxx> random.  widget ID won't change the second time you tap on the same widget.
Dec 12 00:27:22 <Groxx> (unless that doesn't matter)
Dec 12 00:28:54 <aceus> it seems to work now with widgetID...
Dec 12 00:29:36 <Groxx> does a widget only show one thing, btw?  or could tapping it somewhere else show a second title?
Dec 12 00:30:00 <aceus> No, only one final String with a name of a city
Dec 12 00:30:27 <Groxx> probably fine either way then.  worth keeping in mind for future PendingIntent stuff though ;)
Dec 12 00:31:48 <drinfernoo> Groxx: finally got it!
Dec 12 00:32:04 <drinfernoo> PSA, you must set setDistributeEvenly before setViewPager
Dec 12 00:32:47 <drinfernoo> next question: how do i get the status bar to be transparent over my drawer?
Dec 12 00:34:10 <Groxx> drinfernoo: interesting.  glad that works though :)
Dec 12 00:35:08 <jimisola> My app logs into an intranet using a four step procedure. My app used the included AndroidHttpClient and it worked fine for Android 4.3 and below. However, on Android 4.4 (4.4.2 to be axact) I can't get it to work. I've understood that 4.4 uses OkHtttp. Trying to pinpoint the issue with 4.4 I reimplemented the log in using OkHttp 2.0. But, I'm experiencing the same problem on 4.4. Meanwhile,...
Dec 12 00:35:10 <jimisola> ...it works on 4.3 and below. So, my conclusion is that there is something on 4.4 that breaks my app irrespective of the http libary I use. On 4.4, the 1st step POST does not result in the 2nd step page being the response.
Dec 12 00:35:26 <drinfernoo> Groxx, i had code from samples instead of from I/O
Dec 12 00:38:23 <JakeWharton> jimisola: Android 4.4 uses OkHttp 1.5.x code
Dec 12 00:41:52 <jimisola> JakeWharton: Yes, thank you. I know. To rule out different AOSP libraries in 4.3 and 4.4 I therefore decided to use OkHttp 2.0 in my app. That's why I'm surprised that it does not work in 4.4. The HTTP response code is 200 in both 4.3 and 4.4, but only 4.3 actually works.
Dec 12 00:42:26 <JakeWharton> oh sorry i didn't read the second message (only the first was highlighted in my client)
Dec 12 00:42:43 <matt_j> Anyone here have experience with Urban Airship?
Dec 12 00:42:48 <matt_j> I have a super-easy question
Dec 12 00:42:53 <Groxx> matt_j: a couple years ago
Dec 12 00:42:53 <matt_j> and I feel like I'm making a dumb mistake
Dec 12 00:42:54 <jimisola> JakeWharton: No worries. I've ran out of ideas. Basically fishing here now..
Dec 12 00:43:06 <matt_j> specifically urban airship's custom android styles
Dec 12 00:43:20 <Groxx> matt_j: ah.  that I have not touched, sorry
Dec 12 00:44:04 <matt_j> Ok, np
Dec 12 00:51:39 <aceus> Is it possible to putExtras from an Activity to an AppWidgetProvider?
Dec 12 00:51:48 <aceus> to the onReceive-method in AppWidgetProvider
Dec 12 00:52:37 <pfn> why would you
Dec 12 00:54:29 <aceus> I would like to refresh the widget
Dec 12 00:54:31 <Groxx> aceus: I don't know widgets too well, but can they receive broadcasts?
Dec 12 00:54:37 <aceus> yes they can
Dec 12 00:54:52 <aceus> I'm using broadcasts right now. Can broadcasts have extras?
Dec 12 00:55:01 <Groxx> yeah, same way as normal intents
Dec 12 00:55:17 <pfn> osrc.dfm.io is so fun to read
Dec 12 00:55:48 <aceus> I need to send a city name from an activity to the widget so the widget can refresh itself
Dec 12 00:56:00 <aceus> with new data related to the city name
Dec 12 00:56:36 <pfn> interesting, no c# on osrc.dfm.io for me
Dec 12 00:57:10 <sarbs> I'M A TREND SETTER WOOHOO https://osrc.dfm.io/tophyr/
Dec 12 00:57:23 <Groxx> aceus: probably just shove the data into the intent somehow.  there's ~ a 1mb limit, but you probably aren't going anywhere near that limit?
Dec 12 00:57:30 <sarbs> 'cept it's got my language strengths vastly backwards, lol...
Dec 12 00:57:38 <aceus> yeah
Dec 12 00:57:40 <TacticalJoke> Is a 10 millisecond delay on the UI thread a big deal?
Dec 12 00:57:40 <aceus> the thing is...
Dec 12 00:57:49 <sarbs> TacticalJoke not usually
Dec 12 00:57:51 <TacticalJoke> My "flatten tree" code is taking about that long.
Dec 12 00:57:56 <pfn> sarbs, apparently you're a groovy master
Dec 12 00:58:05 <pfn> https://osrc.dfm.io/pfn/
Dec 12 00:58:07 <pfn> obligatory mine
Dec 12 00:58:11 <TacticalJoke> sarbs:  Do you know at what value I should start being concerned?
Dec 12 00:58:39 <sarbs> no shit, 82nd percentile in scala, not bad
Dec 12 01:00:01 <sarbs> TacticalJoke 30ms per frame is widely considered to be about the longest you can take and still have "smooth" animation
Dec 12 01:00:03 <pfn> JakeWharton, manages to hit 1%
Dec 12 01:00:10 <sarbs> pfn in scala?
Dec 12 01:00:15 <pfn> in java
Dec 12 01:00:21 <sarbs> oh, yeah easily
Dec 12 01:01:26 <TacticalJoke> sarbs:  K.  Thanks.
Dec 12 01:09:36 <TacticalJoke> Oh.  I had a bug in my code, making it take way longer.  It's now taking only about 2ms.
Dec 12 01:10:18 <aceus> I have a last question...
Dec 12 01:10:27 <sarbs> TacticalJoke nice!
Dec 12 01:10:41 <TacticalJoke> :)
Dec 12 01:12:04 <aceus> I have a refreshbutton on my widget. And the onclicklistener is in my widgetconfigure activity. How can I pass a string from my configureactivity to my widgetprovider so it can refresh?
Dec 12 01:12:52 <Groxx> aceus: is there an onActivityResult thing in widgets?
Dec 12 01:13:36 <aceus> No, it don't seem to have that =/
Dec 12 01:13:51 <aceus> And a broadcast is not possible to assign to i button i guess
Dec 12 01:13:58 <aceus> to a*
Dec 12 01:14:36 <lasserix> Whatreturning a textview in getView of a base adapter, what layoutparams to use?
Dec 12 01:15:27 <Groxx> aceus: you should be able to sendBroadcast(new Intent(etc)).  does it not work?
Dec 12 01:15:41 <aceus> yeah that works...
Dec 12 01:15:42 <aceus> but
Dec 12 01:15:58 <aceus> how can i make a widgetbutton to send a broadcast?
Dec 12 01:16:01 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Can you just use the parent?
Dec 12 01:16:02 <aceus> from an activity
Dec 12 01:17:13 <Groxx> aceus: not sure I understand the question.  probably because I've done very very little with widgets.
Dec 12 01:17:15 <lasserix> parent is abslistview
Dec 12 01:17:20 <aceus> okey
Dec 12 01:17:33 <aceus> when i press a button on a widget
Dec 12 01:17:38 <aceus> i want a broadcast to be sent
Dec 12 01:17:43 <JesusFreke> aceus: PendingIntent.getBroadcast() instead of PendingIntent.getActivity()
Dec 12 01:17:46 <aceus> but i don't think that's possible
Dec 12 01:18:02 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Since the TextView will be a child of the ListView, isn't that what you want?
Dec 12 01:18:28 <lasserix> yeah just forgot momentarily which kind
Dec 12 01:19:55 <JesusFreke> aceus: why not?
Dec 12 01:20:17 <JesusFreke> afaik, anything that sends a pending intent doesn't care what kind of intent it is
Dec 12 01:20:54 <JesusFreke> you just call .send() on the pending intent, and it sends the correct kind of intent
Dec 12 01:24:09 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 01:24:52 <aceus> Like this? :
Dec 12 01:24:56 <aceus> PendingIntent refresh = PendingIntent.getBroadcast(context, widgetID, null, PendingIntent.FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT);
Dec 12 01:25:11 <aceus> views.setOnClickPendingIntent(R.id.refresh, refresh);
Dec 12 01:25:27 <JesusFreke> looks about right
Dec 12 01:25:36 <aceus> cool, i'll try it
Dec 12 01:29:27 <aceus> uh
Dec 12 01:29:33 <aceus> i get nullpointer exception
Dec 12 01:30:07 <aceus> using this: http://pastebin.com/f14QYDCw
Dec 12 01:33:19 <aceus> ok
Dec 12 01:33:26 <aceus> got rid of that using a fake intent
Dec 12 01:33:34 <aceus> but no broadcast is being sent
Dec 12 01:36:16 <aceus> hm
Dec 12 01:36:29 <aceus> if the fake intent is launched in the background, the broadcast is sent
Dec 12 01:38:14 <TacticalJoke> OOP makes some stuff so easy.
Dec 12 01:38:31 <TacticalJoke> Stuff that seems like it should be crazily complex.
Dec 12 01:39:39 <aceus> :P
Dec 12 01:39:42 <aceus> changed activity
Dec 12 01:39:45 <aceus> it works now
Dec 12 01:39:57 <aceus> big ups to you all!
Dec 12 01:50:42 <Levite> deleting code feels soooo good
Dec 12 01:50:49 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  I'm showing a flat comment list right now.  lol
Dec 12 01:51:09 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  Though only because I haven't implemented visible nesting yet.
Dec 12 01:51:19 <TacticalJoke> Levite:  For sure.  Less code, fewer problems.
Dec 12 01:51:36 <TacticalJoke> More code, more bugs.
Dec 12 01:51:44 <Levite> yep
Dec 12 01:51:47 <TacticalJoke> Mo' money, mo' problems.
Dec 12 01:51:59 <TacticalJoke> As a great philosopher once said.
Dec 12 01:52:57 <lasserix> screenshot!
Dec 12 02:00:05 <capella-s3> jack and jill? heh :p
Dec 12 02:02:20 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  It's ugly as sin right now.  lol
Dec 12 02:02:26 <TacticalJoke> Okay, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/ctTYt8v.png
Dec 12 02:02:27 <lasserix> thats fine
Dec 12 02:02:34 <TacticalJoke> I've put almost no effort whatsoever into the UI yet.
Dec 12 02:02:38 <TacticalJoke> Of that screen, anyway.
Dec 12 02:02:54 <TacticalJoke> The nesting level is to the left of the username (obviously just for debugging :D).
Dec 12 02:02:59 <lasserix> ahh bad bits cool
Dec 12 02:03:26 <lasserix> you should add an actionbar item
Dec 12 02:03:31 <lasserix> that allows to flatten/unflatten identation
Dec 12 02:03:34 <TacticalJoke> What's bad bits?
Dec 12 02:03:46 <lasserix> SimonVT told me not to curse
Dec 12 02:03:50 <lasserix> heh
Dec 12 02:04:15 <TacticalJoke> I'm ashamed to post that screenshot.  lol
Dec 12 02:04:17 <TacticalJoke> Pure ugliness.
Dec 12 02:04:23 <lasserix> nah man its really cool
Dec 12 02:04:28 <lasserix> its functioning
Dec 12 02:04:31 <TacticalJoke> I like a nice, polished UI.
Dec 12 02:04:31 <TacticalJoke> Ya.
Dec 12 02:04:34 <lasserix> that's a lot of work done
Dec 12 02:04:38 <TacticalJoke> This is very early stages.
Dec 12 02:05:33 <TacticalJoke> In any case, I'm glad that the code that flattens the comment tree is extremely fast.
Dec 12 02:05:45 <TacticalJoke> Because it runs on the UI thread (because it's the UI that wants it flattened, really).
Dec 12 02:07:06 <lasserix> well you should enable user to toggle the identation off and on
Dec 12 02:07:20 <TacticalJoke> Does anyone want no indentation?  :D
Dec 12 02:07:24 <lasserix> yeah
Dec 12 02:07:27 <lasserix> while reading
Dec 12 02:07:29 <lasserix> its easier
Dec 12 02:07:40 <lasserix> if i want to see where ia m relatively, ill toggle iton
Dec 12 02:07:43 <lasserix> then off again to read
Dec 12 02:08:10 <TacticalJoke> It would be easy to implement that, but I'm not sure how many people would want it.  lol
Dec 12 02:08:37 <TacticalJoke> Do you mean that it's easier to read when there's no indent?
Dec 12 02:08:44 <TacticalJoke> In terms of wrapping and stuff.
Dec 12 02:08:52 <lasserix> yeah
Dec 12 02:09:13 <TacticalJoke> I need to fix that pt/pts thing, too.
Dec 12 02:11:10 <TacticalJoke> The thing is, lasserix, the font will be (able to be) so small that I don't think that's even needed.
Dec 12 02:11:26 <TacticalJoke> One of the goals of this client is to get a lot of information on even small screens.
Dec 12 02:12:28 <TacticalJoke> I'll definitely consider that, though, since if it's a desirable idea then it could be really nice to have.
Dec 12 02:12:55 <TacticalJoke> There is something naturally readable about a flat list.
Dec 12 02:16:25 <lasserix> yeh exactly
Dec 12 02:16:30 <lasserix> plus you could have a cool animation
Dec 12 02:16:33 <lasserix> to expand nad collapse
Dec 12 02:25:24 <lasserix> alright just need to add the fab and im done
Dec 12 02:34:50 <TacticalJoke> What are you making, lasserix?
Dec 12 02:37:21 <lasserix> this lottery number generator app
Dec 12 02:37:44 <lasserix> kinda stupid but figured itd be good way to famialirize myself with material
Dec 12 02:41:10 <nesoi> I'm trying to get the logs from my Nexus 7 on a mac using adb logcat > filename. It works but never finishes (I left it for a few hours to make sure). What am I doing wrong?
Dec 12 02:42:17 <nesoi> or to put in another way, is there a different way of downloading the logs which I could try?
Dec 12 02:44:24 <TacticalJoke> Does it generate winning lottery numbers?  :)
Dec 12 02:45:48 <capella> I'd pay for that
Dec 12 02:46:25 <pfn> capella, $1 billion per winning number generated
Dec 12 02:46:53 <capella> Cool ... I'll finance a short term loan
Dec 12 02:47:11 <capella> if you offer a money back
Dec 12 02:51:39 <lasserix> honestly i have no idea
Dec 12 02:51:46 <lasserix> apparently there are quite a few in the store
Dec 12 02:53:02 <sarbs> nesoi "adb logcat" doesn't finish. ever. you have to hit ctrl-c to end it
Dec 12 02:53:54 <sarbs> you can use the "tee" command to write the logs to a file as they are also written to the screen, so you know when to hit ctrl-c. "adb locat | tee filename"
Dec 12 02:54:12 <capella-s3> how hard is it to slap a ui over a random number generator
Dec 12 02:56:22 <pfn> capella-s3, I added sasl to qicr since you can't figure out any other way of logging in  :p
Dec 12 02:56:47 * capella-s3 ooooo me try
Dec 12 02:58:53 <nesoi> I'm trying to get the logs from my Nexus 7 on a mac using adb logcat > filename. It works but never finishes (I left it for a few hours to make sure). What am I doing wrong?
Dec 12 02:59:06 <nesoi> Or is there another way I could get the logs?
Dec 12 02:59:13 <pfn> adb logcat doesn't exit by default
Dec 12 02:59:14 <pfn> hit ^C
Dec 12 02:59:26 <pfn> otherwise run adb logcat -d
Dec 12 02:59:30 <nesoi> after how long though?
Dec 12 02:59:31 <pfn> try reading help
Dec 12 02:59:36 <pfn> adb logcat -h
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