**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 08 02:59:59 2015
Jan 08 03:01:07 <TacticalJoke> I just found Crosswalk:  https://crosswalk-project.org/  (But it's 20MB.)
Jan 08 03:01:13 <groxx> pfn: haven't tcpip'd your adb before?
Jan 08 03:01:16 <Fraz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bdXctq7DM
Jan 08 03:01:39 <pfn> groxx, i have, but I've always done setprop/kill adbd
Jan 08 03:01:56 <groxx> ah
Jan 08 03:01:58 <pfn> groxx, rather than adb tcpip
Jan 08 03:02:03 <pfn> which is so much easier...
Jan 08 03:02:51 <TacticalJoke> Do I need to worry about the order in which I call WebView.onPause and WebView.pauseTimers (as well as WebView.onResume and WebView.resumeTimers)?
Jan 08 03:03:53 <pfn> now to figure out what adb tcpip calls underneath
Jan 08 03:05:05 <TacticalJoke> This looks interesting: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Projects/GeckoView
Jan 08 03:07:11 <pfn> hmm, can't tcpip from ddmlib, darn
Jan 08 03:08:15 <TacticalJoke> Why can't apps run Chrome's own "WebView" component?  Then the user can keep everything up to date just by updating Chrome.
Jan 08 03:08:30 <TacticalJoke> Seems like a better idea than people on old Android versions having to use a several-year-old WebView.
Jan 08 03:10:43 <TacticalJoke> Oh well.  Not much I can do other than offer users the choice of always using an external browser.  Can't be shipping a 20MB library with a small app.  :)
Jan 08 03:15:23 <MohitKanwal> does anyone use a color dir in their apps? like putting selectors etc. inside the color dir under res?
Jan 08 03:15:28 <AndreYonadam> lol
Jan 08 03:15:29 <AndreYonadam> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/and-it-goes-on-htc-hd2-receives-lollipop-port/
Jan 08 03:15:47 <MohitKanwal> just wondering if anyone uses it, whether it is good practice to do it
Jan 08 03:23:23 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: what are you using webview for?
Jan 08 03:24:06 <TacticalJoke> Displaying posts linked on reddit.
Jan 08 03:24:14 <TacticalJoke> Is there anything else I can use?  This thing is buggy.
Jan 08 03:24:34 <lasserix> displaying posts linked?
Jan 08 03:24:35 <TacticalJoke> I realise that I could just start a browser (but I doubt many would like that).
Jan 08 03:24:48 <lasserix> you should prob just start the browser for now
Jan 08 03:24:54 <TacticalJoke> Why?
Jan 08 03:25:04 <lasserix> the function of you app is to browse reddit
Jan 08 03:25:11 <lasserix> not to be a web browser
Jan 08 03:25:24 <lasserix> if you start down that path, you're making it more a webbrowser
Jan 08 03:25:28 <TacticalJoke> I'd hate to have to leave a reddit app every time I clicked a link.
Jan 08 03:25:34 <TacticalJoke> It's not a great UX.
Jan 08 03:25:34 <TacticalJoke> IMO.
Jan 08 03:25:37 <lasserix> and then you're cursing yourself by violating SINGLE PRINCIPLE RESPONSIBILITY!!!
Jan 08 03:25:42 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 08 03:25:50 <lasserix> well you want to do a preview?
Jan 08 03:25:51 <TacticalJoke> This is part of the responsibility for the app, though.
Jan 08 03:25:59 <lasserix> or you want to display the whole thing?
Jan 08 03:26:03 <lasserix> i think its fine
Jan 08 03:26:05 <lasserix> for now anyways
Jan 08 03:26:06 <TacticalJoke> The whole thing.
Jan 08 03:26:12 <lasserix> just open up in a new browser,
Jan 08 03:26:16 <lasserix> later you can devote some time
Jan 08 03:26:21 <TacticalJoke> Why later?
Jan 08 03:26:22 <lasserix> to making it work really well
Jan 08 03:26:28 <lasserix> are you finished with everything else?
Jan 08 03:26:35 <TacticalJoke> I'm finished with quite a lot, I guess.
Jan 08 03:26:37 <TacticalJoke> Of the basics.
Jan 08 03:26:43 <lasserix> hmm
Jan 08 03:26:54 <lasserix> to me just seems like a sideshow of the app
Jan 08 03:27:06 <lasserix> not really worth your time
Jan 08 03:27:13 <lasserix> or there is better stuff you can do
Jan 08 03:27:17 <lasserix> like testing polish etc etc
Jan 08 03:27:20 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  When you use reddit on Android, do you view links in an external browser?
Jan 08 03:27:34 <TacticalJoke> You're kidding, right?  :D  Viewing links is the most important part of the app.
Jan 08 03:28:14 <lasserix> umm
Jan 08 03:28:26 <lasserix> to be honest id save it to pocket or whatever and do it on destkop
Jan 08 03:28:32 <lasserix> i dont like browsering web on my phone kinda blows
Jan 08 03:29:07 <TacticalJoke> I haven't done a special ImageView thing yet.  I guess I need to treat images separately.
Jan 08 03:32:57 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  You don't sound like a typical reddit user.  :D
Jan 08 03:33:35 <lasserix> i just dont use a phone to browse the web
Jan 08 03:33:40 <lasserix> it is often way tooo slow
Jan 08 03:33:44 <lasserix> and navigating sucks
Jan 08 03:33:48 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I use it but it can be annoying.
Jan 08 03:33:52 <TacticalJoke> Do you have an old phone?
Jan 08 03:33:58 <lasserix> and lack of real tabs sucks
Jan 08 03:33:59 <lasserix> yeah
Jan 08 03:34:06 <lasserix> but even on my dev phones (which are new)
Jan 08 03:34:09 <lasserix> its still kind of a pain
Jan 08 03:34:14 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, tabs are key.
Jan 08 03:34:16 <lasserix> much prefer to save the links and open on desktop
Jan 08 03:34:17 <TacticalJoke> As is speed.
Jan 08 03:34:33 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  Could I facilitate that?
Jan 08 03:34:40 <TacticalJoke> Or would sending an intent to open a URL be enough?
Jan 08 03:34:57 <TacticalJoke> The "pocket" thing (or whatever it is).
Jan 08 03:36:00 <lasserix> yeah
Jan 08 03:36:03 <lasserix> you can do it in intent
Jan 08 03:37:36 <pfn> interesting, it's keepshare that's making chrome slow...
Jan 08 03:37:40 <pfn> I'll have to look at fixing that  :(
Jan 08 03:43:07 <g00s> hm, the Moto G, Google Play Edition got 5.0 before the G2
Jan 08 03:44:15 <g00s> "Google TV is officially dead. Long live Android TV."
Jan 08 03:44:37 <Leeds> for some value of "Long"
Jan 08 03:44:52 <g00s> yeah thats why i don't want android in my next car
Jan 08 03:45:07 <pfn> as if car software is maintained or updated
Jan 08 03:45:10 <pfn> you're so funny
Jan 08 03:45:36 <pfn> you stand a better chance of updates with android auto than anything else the oems create
Jan 08 03:46:02 <TacticalJoke> Why does WebViewFragment called WebView.onResume before Fragment.onResume?  https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/webkit/WebViewFragment.java
Jan 08 03:46:07 <TacticalJoke> call*
Jan 08 03:46:17 <pfn> git blame and see what the commit says
Jan 08 03:46:26 <TacticalJoke> More direct: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/webkit/WebViewFragment.java#64
Jan 08 03:46:31 <pfn> or git log -p
Jan 08 03:47:45 <TacticalJoke> That code was created when the entire file was created.  Commit message is "Adds a new WebViewFragment class".
Jan 08 03:48:00 <lasserix> Anyone use MillienialAds ?
Jan 08 03:48:04 <TacticalJoke> I guess it could be a stylistic thing.
Jan 08 03:48:21 <TacticalJoke> Ah, I almost lose the ability to care sometimes.  :D
Jan 08 03:48:27 <TacticalJoke> So many pointless little details with Android.
Jan 08 03:48:42 <TacticalJoke> You almost have to resort to the "It compiles; ship it" mentality.
Jan 08 03:49:01 <TacticalJoke> But more like "It compiles and seems to work on various devices; ship it".
Jan 08 03:50:56 <TacticalJoke> On a side note, I'm really liking this app.  I love the spinner for changing subreddit; so handy.
Jan 08 03:53:54 <TacticalJoke> I might not use a navigation drawer at all.  They're complicated and annoying, IMO.
Jan 08 03:54:04 <TacticalJoke> Though almost nobody seems to agree on that.
Jan 08 03:54:09 <DarkBloodWolf> hello
Jan 08 03:54:19 <DarkBloodWolf> can I get help here to root my phone
Jan 08 03:54:30 <TacticalJoke> I think that's #android or #android-root or something.
Jan 08 03:54:50 <DarkBloodWolf> TacticalJoke, I got told to come here from #android
Jan 08 03:55:14 <TacticalJoke> #android-root sounds perfect (in theory).
Jan 08 03:55:33 <g00s> TacticalJoke they are kinda pain to implement
Jan 08 03:55:53 <g00s> but you can do much more with a nav drawer than spinner :)
Jan 08 03:55:59 <TacticalJoke> True.
Jan 08 03:56:02 <Tapani> how I should proceed.. I want to launch only in australian google play(a soft launch). how i do that?
Jan 08 03:56:13 <DarkBloodWolf> TacticalJoke, I could 'root' my android right now.... :
Jan 08 03:56:18 <DarkBloodWolf> :P
Jan 08 03:58:18 <Tapani> come on, i don't want to mess this up
Jan 08 03:58:30 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking of implementing swipe-in-from-left to go from a comment listing back to the post listing.  And swipe-up-from-below to go from a link to a comment listing.  (And, of course, swipe-down-from-above to go from a comment listing to a link.)
Jan 08 03:59:08 <TacticalJoke> But I'm not sure about the last two.  Kinda fiddly.
Jan 08 04:01:05 <TacticalJoke> Also, swipe-from-right could go back to the previous link/comment listing, maybe.
Jan 08 04:01:16 <TacticalJoke> (From a post listing.)
Jan 08 04:01:56 <DarkBloodWolf> ...
Jan 08 04:05:19 <g00s> ....
Jan 08 04:05:28 <screwsss> im rooted. can i take the system camera app off my phone, manipulate the sound effect files (ie the irritating shutter .oggs), repack it and re instal it?
Jan 08 04:05:42 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  You might like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexpectedThugLife/
Jan 08 04:05:50 <TacticalJoke> (Possibly NSFW audio/whatever.)
Jan 08 04:06:05 <g00s> whats with this thug life bs on reddit ?
Jan 08 04:06:14 <TacticalJoke> Have you seen the videos?  Some are funny.
Jan 08 04:06:15 <lasserix> what seems natura
Jan 08 04:07:14 <TacticalJoke> I found this pretty funny (but the rap song at the end has plenty of bad language, so don't click if you don't wanna hear that): Richard Dawkins thug life:  http://youtu.be/iELs0xMDhxE
Jan 08 04:09:47 <screwsss> im rooted. can i take the system camera app off my phone, manipulate the sound effect files (ie the irritating shutter .oggs), repack it and re instal it?
Jan 08 04:19:33 <lasserix> screwsss: #android-root
Jan 08 04:30:40 <renanferrari> My app is doing too much work in its UI thread (skipping frames, etc). How can I see what's causing this? What are the tools to analyze it properly?
Jan 08 04:30:55 <renanferrari> Systrace?
Jan 08 04:31:40 <screwsss> hey
Jan 08 04:31:45 <screwsss> im annoyed by the camera sound effects
Jan 08 04:31:56 <screwsss> i managed to get rid of some but not all
Jan 08 04:32:46 <screwsss> is there a way i can edit the sound effect files inside the .apk
Jan 08 04:32:51 <screwsss> without unzipping it
Jan 08 04:32:54 <AndreYonadam> You can't
Jan 08 04:34:15 <screwsss> i cant?
Jan 08 04:34:18 <AndreYonadam> No
Jan 08 04:36:31 <screwsss> someone tells me titanium can
Jan 08 04:36:45 <AndreYonadam> titanium?
Jan 08 04:37:38 <AndreYonadam> I don't know about overcoming the sound but I'm sure you can't "edit" the sound effect files in the apk.
Jan 08 04:37:50 <AndreYonadam> Unless Android released the code to the public which is another case.
Jan 08 04:40:27 <tus> u wot m8
Jan 08 04:48:05 <lasserix> Hey y'all. I have an object with a variety of member types (primitives, except String). I need to parse/validate each one. What's the best way to do this?
Jan 08 04:48:26 <lasserix> For instance, right now, each member types has a corresponding enum value in an enum class
Jan 08 04:48:49 <lasserix> i can give each type its own validator or parser
Jan 08 04:49:43 <lasserix> but when i am doing the parsing/validation how do set it up so i dont have to do something twice. like when i parse, i grab the value. now i validate. let's say its a boolean. the validator says it's valid (by doing Boolean.tryParse or whatever) and now i need to set it in the config object
Jan 08 04:49:51 <lasserix> how do i do that without doing tryParse twice?
Jan 08 04:52:03 <g00s> lasserix parse from a file ?
Jan 08 04:58:51 <lasserix> yeah
Jan 08 04:59:01 <g00s> :)
Jan 08 04:59:06 <lasserix> but thats not the important thing, it goes --> grab line, grab value, parse value
Jan 08 04:59:18 <lasserix> if that is void string boolean
Jan 08 04:59:32 <lasserix> how do i avoid getting the proper type twice?
Jan 08 04:59:43 <lasserix> since in parse it'll grab the type to verify
Jan 08 05:08:19 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  You can't use all Objects (e.g., Boolean) and then use 'instanceof' or something?
Jan 08 05:08:43 <lasserix> seems ugly
Jan 08 05:08:57 <TacticalJoke> So you have a List of Object or something?  And you're reading from a file?
Jan 08 05:09:01 <lasserix> ill just hide in the validator
Jan 08 05:09:03 <TacticalJoke> I'm trying to visualise.
Jan 08 05:09:36 <lasserix> each enum
Jan 08 05:09:41 <lasserix> element
Jan 08 05:09:44 <lasserix> will ahve a validate
Jan 08 05:09:51 <lasserix> then validate logic will grab the appropiate parser
Jan 08 05:09:54 <lasserix> and then set it
Jan 08 05:10:00 <lasserix> and ill just return true or false for the validation
Jan 08 05:10:21 <lasserix> *will have a validator
Jan 08 05:10:37 <g00s> lasserix you looked at ragel, but decided against it presumably
Jan 08 05:10:53 <lasserix> no i just am not even at the point where i want to implement something like that yet
Jan 08 05:10:57 <lasserix> it works fine as is
Jan 08 05:11:04 <lasserix> im just refactoring since my code base is somewhat of a mess
Jan 08 05:11:09 <lasserix> and im doing a lot of duplication
Jan 08 05:11:13 <lasserix> that has nothing to do with the parsing
Jan 08 05:11:13 <lasserix> eg
Jan 08 05:11:17 <lasserix> for the configuration view
Jan 08 05:11:23 <lasserix> i want to reuse all this configuration enum set
Jan 08 05:11:31 <lasserix> so in reality i want to stuff all the stuff in the enum set
Jan 08 05:11:36 <lasserix> that way i can just pass it around
Jan 08 05:11:41 <lasserix> to anything that needs it
Jan 08 05:12:02 <lasserix> so, my config listview can grab the enum, the enum will have like rowModel which will have the title etc etc
Jan 08 05:12:12 <lasserix> or the parser will grab from the enum instance the validator
Jan 08 05:12:14 <lasserix> etc etc
Jan 08 05:20:17 <lasserix> this is a good time to do that monad stuff
Jan 08 05:21:13 <TacticalJoke> God dammit.  I wanna switch to Android Studio.
Jan 08 05:21:17 <TacticalJoke> Just get it done.  Ya know?
Jan 08 05:21:23 <TacticalJoke> But I need freaking unit testing.  Grr.
Jan 08 05:21:31 <TacticalJoke> And I don't like the idea of compiling Android Studio myself.
Jan 08 05:21:58 <AndreYonadam> Told you its better than eclipse
Jan 08 05:21:59 <AndreYonadam> LOL
Jan 08 05:22:17 <TacticalJoke> But is it?
Jan 08 05:22:27 <TacticalJoke> I'm moving mainly because they're putting all their eggs in that basket.
Jan 08 05:22:34 <g00s> i still don't understand why TacticalJoke can't just use AS + the traditional instrument testing
Jan 08 05:22:38 <AndreYonadam> I'm not an extreme developer.
Jan 08 05:22:42 <TacticalJoke> It's slow, it requires JUnit 3.
Jan 08 05:23:11 <g00s> the time you would have lost using it << the you spend hemming and hawing about it :)
Jan 08 05:23:30 <g00s> and i wager you don't have enough tests for it to even matter
Jan 08 05:23:37 <AndreYonadam> Idk I still have stuff to learn with android.
Jan 08 05:23:51 <TacticalJoke> I'd have to rewrite all my tests to use horrible JUnit 3 stuff.
Jan 08 05:23:57 <TacticalJoke> I probably wouldn't be able to use AssertJ anymore.
Jan 08 05:24:01 <TacticalJoke> Though I could be wrong about that one.
Jan 08 05:24:14 <AndreYonadam> I don't even know what your talking about. You lost me lol.
Jan 08 05:24:27 <AndreYonadam> JUnit 3? AssertJ?
Jan 08 05:24:40 <TacticalJoke> Unit-testing stuff.
Jan 08 05:24:45 <AndreYonadam> Ohh.
Jan 08 05:25:45 <AndreYonadam> TacticalJoke: Are you making complicated stuff?
Jan 08 05:27:02 <TacticalJoke> Somewhat.
Jan 08 05:27:40 <TacticalJoke> No rocket science, but nothing trivial either.
Jan 08 05:28:06 <AndreYonadam> I see. Do you make applications that are available in the play store?
Jan 08 05:28:14 <TacticalJoke> I haven't released anything yet.
Jan 08 05:28:17 <TacticalJoke> I'm still pretty new to Android.
Jan 08 05:28:21 <AndreYonadam> Ohh
Jan 08 05:28:36 <TacticalJoke> How 'bout you?
Jan 08 05:29:16 <AndreYonadam> I've been doing development on and off for about 5 years. Yeah I have a few apps in the store. Some I pulled out to update.
Jan 08 05:31:16 <TacticalJoke> Any I can see?  Or is it secret?  :D
Jan 08 05:31:34 <AndreYonadam> Sure. Just google my name in the play store lol. With a space.
Jan 08 05:31:37 <AndreYonadam> I guess
Jan 08 05:31:47 <AndreYonadam> Nothing secret lol
Jan 08 05:32:28 <AndreYonadam> My more complicated apps arn't on the store right now. I have two I removed so they can be perfected. Those are better apps.
Jan 08 05:32:55 <AndreYonadam> TacticalJoke: The reason I haven't been constantly doing android is because of time and I started doing a little WordPress development.
Jan 08 05:33:56 <AndreYonadam> Have you developed for anything other than Android?
Jan 08 05:34:45 <TacticalJoke> Nice.  A couple of teaching apps there.
Jan 08 05:35:00 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I have made quite a few things in the past.
Jan 08 05:35:02 <AndreYonadam> Yeah. I like to provide resources to teach.
Jan 08 05:35:04 <TacticalJoke> Mainly Windows apps.
Jan 08 05:35:35 <AndreYonadam> Yeah one of the apps I removed is also a Physics app which solves projectile motion stuff.
Jan 08 05:35:50 <AndreYonadam> Nice. Windows apps are hard right?
Jan 08 05:36:26 <TacticalJoke> Using the Windows API "natively" was hard.  Using something like Delphi made it nicer.
Jan 08 05:36:33 <TacticalJoke> C#/.NET was even nicer.
Jan 08 05:36:43 <AndreYonadam> Nice
Jan 08 05:38:08 <TacticalJoke> Probably the app I enjoyed making the most was an unofficial chat client for Yahoo! Chat back in the day.
Jan 08 05:38:37 <AndreYonadam> Ohh nice.
Jan 08 05:38:48 <AndreYonadam> Any I can see?
Jan 08 05:38:49 <TacticalJoke> It was fun, in a way, because people made unofficial clients and Yahoo! didn't like it.  So they kept changing the protocol, but they were so incompetent that few people had trouble with that.
Jan 08 05:39:15 <TacticalJoke> Most of my released apps are from 10+ years ago, I think.  Not sure what's still "out there".
Jan 08 05:39:46 <AndreYonadam> Ohh.
Jan 08 05:40:30 <AndreYonadam> Yeah there are a lot of pro android developers here
Jan 08 05:47:05 <pfn> there are?
Jan 08 05:47:13 <AndreYonadam> Yeah
Jan 08 05:47:19 <AndreYonadam> professional
Jan 08 05:47:23 <pfn> never woulda guessed
Jan 08 05:47:31 <AndreYonadam> lol
Jan 08 05:47:41 <AndreYonadam> Do you have any public apps?
Jan 08 05:47:45 <AndreYonadam> Or projects?
Jan 08 05:50:10 <screwsss> are apk's like zip files
Jan 08 05:51:32 <g00s> would i be crazy for starting to use dagger 2, or is it a ways off. i'm not using any DI atm, just spotted a place i can though ;)
Jan 08 05:51:44 <JakeWharton> Google Web Search runs on Dagger 2
Jan 08 05:51:49 <JakeWharton> your app can use it
Jan 08 05:51:54 <g00s> :O awesome
Jan 08 05:52:28 <lewellyn> screwsss: they are zip files, with metadata within, yes.
Jan 08 05:54:05 <JakeWharton> asynchronous producers are in Dagger 2 now
Jan 08 05:54:21 <JakeWharton> it's like RxJava except with a DI framework wiring dependencies instead of you having to do it manually
Jan 08 05:54:31 <JakeWharton> except it uses gross futures
Jan 08 05:54:35 <JakeWharton> barf
Jan 08 05:55:43 <shmoon_> hello
Jan 08 05:56:59 <TacticalJoke> That thread about reddit sync has really taken off.
Jan 08 05:57:29 <TacticalJoke> Some are hypothesizing that it's copyright issues with the listed screenshots.
Jan 08 05:57:54 <g00s> TacticalJoke then why was impersonation the suggested reason
Jan 08 05:58:13 <g00s> violating copyright gets you a different notice
Jan 08 05:58:21 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: so nice to have /r/androiddev filled with a bunch of experts on the subject
Jan 08 05:58:23 <TacticalJoke> Ah.
Jan 08 05:58:47 <g00s> "Your title and/or description attempts to impersonate or leverage another popular product without permission."
Jan 08 06:00:31 <TacticalJoke> Hah.  Just saw the /r/androiddev thread.
Jan 08 06:01:29 <JakeWharton> I assumed that's what you meant
Jan 08 06:01:40 <JakeWharton> (I didn't read it)
Jan 08 06:02:14 <TacticalJoke> There's a huge thread on /r/android: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2robjl/around_2_years_ago_reddit_sync_was_pulled_from/
Jan 08 06:02:18 <TacticalJoke> Well, big-ish.
Jan 08 06:03:12 <JakeWharton> can't be bothered. can only assume since it includes non-developers that it's even worse
Jan 08 06:04:48 <TacticalJoke> It's pretty bad, yeah.
Jan 08 06:16:36 <donniezazen> It's always risky to base your app on other people's services and even use their name.
Jan 08 06:16:49 <g00s> donniezazen not if you get their permission
Jan 08 06:17:06 <g00s> but if google is involved, seems it doesn't matter
Jan 08 06:17:46 <JakeWharton> that's exactly the quality of comment that deserves to be on the thread
Jan 08 06:18:08 <donniezazen> g00s: TOI can change as Twitter has shown us.
Jan 08 06:18:22 <donniezazen> TOS
Jan 08 06:19:08 <TacticalJoke> reddit sync wastes so much space in its post-listing displays.
Jan 08 06:19:21 <TacticalJoke> Hard to get an overview of posts on a small screen.
Jan 08 06:21:08 <g00s> i noticed something was awry last year when a developer's app was baneed for including the required legalese in their app description from the 3rd party
Jan 08 06:21:48 <g00s> in other words, they were OK with the app but he had to but "blah blah blah" in the play store listing. but it was exactly that that got him in trouble
Jan 08 06:28:59 <TacticalJoke> One thing that worries me a little is that I'm gonna have to tidy up some of the (potentially big) strings reddit is sending my app.  For example, comment bodies can have consecutive newlines.  I want to do this in a way that doesn't involve creating a whole new string buffer each time.
Jan 08 06:29:07 <TacticalJoke> The source is already a String, since Gson gives me that.
Jan 08 06:29:17 <screwsss> so apparently
Jan 08 06:29:18 <TacticalJoke> Maybe I can make use of the fact that String.substring doesn't create a new buffer.
Jan 08 06:29:27 <screwsss> i can use titainium to edit a system apps files
Jan 08 06:31:57 <TacticalJoke> Maybe the idea is crazy, but I'm hoping to avoid the constructor StringBuilder(String), since that copies the String buffer.
Jan 08 06:32:39 <g00s> TacticalJoke do you have to parse the reddit markdown-stuff ?
Jan 08 06:32:45 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that too.
Jan 08 06:33:03 <TacticalJoke> Perhaps the most important example is hyperlinks.
Jan 08 06:33:12 <shmoon_> uh loaders in itself is a big subject
Jan 08 06:33:40 <AndreYonadam> Anyway to check if a number is between two others without rewriting the upper and lower number?
Jan 08 06:33:49 <TacticalJoke> I guess I could scan the string and see whether any changes are required.  In most cases, perhaps, no change is required.
Jan 08 06:33:49 <g00s> shmoon_ its not that big. you start it, you get stuff
Jan 08 06:34:10 <shmoon_> hm
Jan 08 06:38:47 <TacticalJoke> Is there some clever way of basically replacing parts of a java.lang.String that doesn't involve copying its entire buffer?
Jan 08 06:39:13 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing not.
Jan 08 06:39:18 <JesusFreke> Strings are immutable
Jan 08 06:39:35 <JesusFreke> you may not mut them.
Jan 08 06:40:08 <JesusFreke> If you're wanting a modifiable string, use a StringBuilder
Jan 08 06:40:09 <JakeWharton> you could create a CharSequence that mixed and matched
Jan 08 06:41:18 <TacticalJoke> JakeWharton:  A custom CharSequence that has references to a String's buffer (from String.subString) which adds its own data in between?
Jan 08 06:41:34 <JakeWharton> that's the idea...
Jan 08 06:41:37 <TacticalJoke> Oh, nice.
Jan 08 06:41:43 <JakeWharton> no idea if it would actually work
Jan 08 06:42:05 <JakeWharton> make sure you implement GetChars
Jan 08 06:42:50 <JakeWharton> (actually GetChars is a CharSequence)
Jan 08 06:42:55 <JakeWharton> so custom GetChars!
Jan 08 06:43:15 <TacticalJoke> :D
Jan 08 06:44:12 <TacticalJoke> It seems like it should work.  It could just use some kind of List/array of parts under the hood.
Jan 08 06:48:11 <JakeWharton> you probably need to track the buffer, start pos, and length in ascending start pos order
Jan 08 06:49:03 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jan 08 06:49:26 <JakeWharton> making the traversal efficient will be interesting
Jan 08 06:50:21 <JakeWharton> i guess you need a SpannableString subclass since you're dealing with spans
Jan 08 06:50:46 <JakeWharton> dealing with non-contiguous segments in a single buffer will be interesting
Jan 08 06:50:57 <JakeWharton> i guess that's just multiple entries with the same buffer and different pos/length values
Jan 08 06:50:59 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I was wondering about that.  I'm using SpannableStringBuilder right now; not sure whether I should do both things at once.
Jan 08 06:51:42 <TacticalJoke> On a side note, would it be insane to change Gson in such a way that it gives me a StringBuilder instead of a String?
Jan 08 06:51:58 <JakeWharton> you can do that already
Jan 08 06:52:13 <JakeWharton> register a TypeAdapter for StringBuilder and just read a string into it
Jan 08 06:53:09 <TacticalJoke> Ah.  Hmm.  I guess that doesn't apply if I'm using the DOM model, does it?
Jan 08 06:53:46 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 08 06:56:47 <screwsss> can i use titanium to edit the files inside of a system app
Jan 08 06:58:22 <TacticalJoke> I guess using a TypeBuffer would still involve two buffer allocations, though.
Jan 08 06:58:42 <TacticalJoke> Let's say that a comment has 2,000 characters.  The ideal is that I allocated that 2,000-char buffer only once.
Jan 08 06:59:00 <TacticalJoke> I mean "TypeAdapter".
Jan 08 07:00:26 <TacticalJoke> As far as I can tell, using a TypeAdapter and instantiating a StringBuilder based on the "nextString" return value would mean two allocations.
Jan 08 07:05:33 <TacticalJoke> One thing I'm not sure about, if I were to make this CharSequence based on String.substring parts, is how TextView.setText would interact with it.  I guess it calls CharSequence.toString at some point.  If so, I'm not sure how to deal with that without allocating a whole new String.  Hmm.
Jan 08 07:06:08 <TacticalJoke> Ideally it'd work with me and ask for one character at a time or something.  lol
Jan 08 07:06:51 <JakeWharton> it does not call toString
Jan 08 07:14:03 <TacticalJoke> Okay, SpannableStringBuilder uses what you mentioned before: GetChars.getChars (if it's dealing with a GetChars, anyway).
Jan 08 07:14:32 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  If it doesn't recognise the type, it calls CharSequence.charAt.
Jan 08 07:14:51 <TacticalJoke> Which might actually be better in my case, because then I can avoid more allocatoins.
Jan 08 07:14:53 <TacticalJoke> allocations*
Jan 08 07:15:16 <TacticalJoke> Wait, no.  There's still a buffer allocation.
Jan 08 07:16:18 <TacticalJoke> System.arraycopy is fast, but I'm worried about giving too much work to the garbage collector, leading to a stop-the-world event.
Jan 08 07:18:00 <TacticalJoke> I'm thinking about it slightly incorrectly, though.  TextView.setText isn't called that much within a short period of time.  The biggest problem is when I have to place an entire comment listing in memory.
Jan 08 07:19:00 <TacticalJoke> Okay, so maybe this CharSequence subclass can mean that I have only *one* huge comment listing in memory.  Other allocations are gonna be tiny by comparison.
Jan 08 07:21:17 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: you should test things, sometimes things don't work how you guessed
Jan 08 07:21:59 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'm slowly getting used to the allocation-tracker thing (as well as the profiler).
Jan 08 07:23:29 <TacticalJoke> One cool scenario would be that it turns out that very few reddit comments need editing before presentation, in which case I can simply scan each string (in a background thread, of course), and hope not to have to modify it.  If I do have to modify, then it's an extra allocation for just that string (with "new StringBuilder(thatString)") and maybe a few others.
Jan 08 07:23:50 <panda81> Hi. Does airplane mode prevent usb transfer to install apk
Jan 08 07:26:40 <Leeds> I wouldn't imagine so...
Jan 08 07:27:18 <g00s> airplane mode, usb ? O.o
Jan 08 07:27:34 <screwsss> i deleted some folder from my system/app directory and i cant remember what it was
Jan 08 07:27:38 <screwsss> do you think it might be important
Jan 08 07:27:45 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: you do not want charAt
Jan 08 07:27:47 <g00s> screwsss ask #android-root
Jan 08 07:27:55 <screwsss> everyones idle in there
Jan 08 07:28:01 <screwsss> been in there for an hour
Jan 08 07:28:07 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: yes, rendering is your problem, not TextView
Jan 08 07:28:14 <JakeWharton> and presenting the spans
Jan 08 07:28:18 <JakeWharton> two problems
Jan 08 07:28:22 <JakeWharton> one cup
Jan 08 07:31:39 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  Was just thinking -- would it be sensible to use reflection and access the backing char[] of a String?  Then maybe I could treat it as mutable.
Jan 08 07:31:48 <TacticalJoke> Though that's probably a crazy idea.
Jan 08 07:36:37 <capella> stupid dang bug ... 4 hours of my life ... frackin ... rackin ... ^%$%#
Jan 08 07:38:05 <TacticalJoke> For span performance, I was thinking of reusing the SpannableStringBuilders (and using .replace).  I'm guessing that'll be faster.
Jan 08 07:38:21 <TacticalJoke> I'm already reusing the span Objects (though I have no idea of whether that's significant).
Jan 08 07:38:37 <TacticalJoke> capella:  What bug was it?
Jan 08 07:39:35 <capella> A TextSelection edgecase involving one page one guy noticed that causes a scroll to top and hurts >nothing<
Jan 08 07:39:50 <capella> But it's wrong and pizzed me off
Jan 08 07:41:09 <capella> :p It's kinda my niche of the code, nobody else wants
Jan 08 07:45:07 <TacticalJoke> God, I just thought: I can't even assume that codepoints are single chars.  To be 100% correct, I ought to use codePointAt.
Jan 08 07:45:26 <TacticalJoke> This stuff is crazy.
Jan 08 08:00:44 <duncannz> Can I hardcode .mp4 in a video recording's path or might the file format change at some point?
Jan 08 08:01:17 <JakeWharton> you can choose different formats
Jan 08 08:01:57 <duncannz> ok I just got .mp4 from looking at the details of a video recorded with the stock camera app
Jan 08 08:02:26 <duncannz> but I see there is a setOutputFormat method so I'll use it. thanks
Jan 08 08:45:08 <xgearx> Hello! I make pick image intent and pick from galery picasa image. But when i resolve uri of this image using cursor loader, and trying to get absolute file path (MediaStore.Images.Media.DATA) i receive url to image. so, when i look at all projection fields, there are no info about file. Is it possible to get file name or this image is remote and i should load int over network using url?
Jan 08 09:02:52 <appel1> xgearx: I think you need to download it
Jan 08 09:03:52 <appel1> xgearx: also, be aware that you might get a content: uri and not a url so you probably want to handle both cases.
Jan 08 09:05:08 <xgearx> appel1: i handle a lot of cases, if SAF api, old api, new api, filedescriptor, but picasa adds one more case - url :)
Jan 08 09:07:14 <appel1> xgearx: fun times =)
Jan 08 09:07:38 <appel1> xgearx: if you are using ACTION_PICK this might be relevant: http://stackoverflow.com/q/10928856/1220644
Jan 08 09:08:51 <xgearx> hm ... looks like i use ACTION_GET_CONTENT
Jan 08 09:09:14 <appel1> ok
Jan 08 09:09:21 <appel1> not a problem then =)
Jan 08 09:34:22 <elektrinis> hello
Jan 08 09:34:40 <elektrinis> is it possible to use UTF-8 in SMS instead of unicode?
Jan 08 09:40:18 <Tricknology> hey all.  Trying to get the map from a mapfragment but.. The method getMapAsync() is undefined for the type MapFragment
Jan 08 09:41:35 <Tricknology> oh shott.
Jan 08 09:42:37 <Odaym> I see you've capitalized the T
Jan 08 09:43:39 <Mavrik> elektrinis, that question makes no sense really.
Jan 08 09:43:43 <Mavrik> Can you explain more?
Jan 08 09:46:13 <elektrinis> Mavrik, unicode is 2 bytes for any characted, including standard ascii characters.
Jan 08 09:46:27 <elektrinis> UTF-8 is two bytes only for non-ascii
Jan 08 09:46:40 <Mavrik> Ah.
Jan 08 09:46:47 <Mavrik> No, you can't do that since SMS is defined as Unicode
Jan 08 09:47:00 <elektrinis> for example "μTorrent" is 9 bytes in UTF-8 and 16 bytes in unicode.
Jan 08 09:47:18 <Mavrik> Even if you could hack through it that SMS would not be readable on other devices and probably the SMS center would reject it
Jan 08 09:47:32 <elektrinis> that is a real pain.
Jan 08 09:47:45 <elektrinis> my native language is not EN
Jan 08 09:47:52 <elektrinis> most characters are ascii..
Jan 08 09:47:55 <elektrinis> some not.
Jan 08 09:48:22 <elektrinis> if I insert one non-ascii character, I get 70 symbol sms
Jan 08 09:48:32 <Tricknology> base64 encode it
Jan 08 09:48:44 <elektrinis> write a longer sentence and I get one expensive MMS...
Jan 08 09:48:55 <Tricknology> :/
Jan 08 09:49:01 <Mavrik> What can I say. Switch to WhatsApp or somethin
Jan 08 09:49:13 <Tricknology> everyone here loves WhatsApp
Jan 08 09:49:15 <Chainfire> elektrinis you're confusing unicode with utf-16 and/or ucs-2
Jan 08 09:49:16 <elektrinis> not very popular here
Jan 08 09:49:35 <elektrinis> Chainfire, don't think so
Jan 08 09:49:35 <Tricknology> unicode is still long
Jan 08 09:49:42 <Tricknology> #U2004
Jan 08 09:49:47 <Tricknology> for 1 char
Jan 08 09:49:58 <Mavrik> Unicode isn't anything, since it's just a standard :)
Jan 08 09:50:03 <elektrinis> so is this limited not only by android?
Jan 08 09:50:08 <Mavrik> Chainfire is right, albreight a bit pedantic :)
Jan 08 09:50:10 <elektrinis> but gsm stations as well?
Jan 08 09:50:24 <Mavrik> elektrinis, that is limited by the GSM/SMS as it works
Jan 08 09:50:40 <elektrinis> damn it
Jan 08 09:50:55 <elektrinis> this world is not a nice place to live in. ;-)
Jan 08 09:51:09 <Chainfire> mavrik I'm generally against useless pedantics (as so many tech discussions devolve to), but in this case his question made no sense because of it (utf-8 vs unicode)
Jan 08 09:51:26 <Tricknology> aaah that feeling when you open eclipse and everything is red.. then you restart and you watch the red x's slowly disappear
Jan 08 09:51:34 <Chainfire> I didn't even understand the question until he elaborated about the number of bytes ;)
Jan 08 09:51:51 <elektrinis> ok ok
Jan 08 09:51:58 <Mavrik> Chainfire, point there. :)
Jan 08 09:52:24 <Mavrik> elektrinis, yeah well, that's what you get when americans define your standards :P
Jan 08 09:52:32 <elektrinis> ..tose autistic geeks.. ;]
Jan 08 09:52:42 <Tricknology> aah, my eclipse is going full-retard trying to install this apk
Jan 08 09:53:21 <elektrinis> Mavrik, yup, usually american standards are.. sh.... like imperial thingie
Jan 08 09:53:26 <Tricknology> Unable to execute dex: GC overhead limit exceeded
Jan 08 09:53:26 <Tricknology> GC overhead limit exceeded
Jan 08 09:53:28 <Tricknology> WOT
Jan 08 09:54:09 <Mavrik> Tricknology, sounds like the 64k method limit :)
Jan 08 09:54:33 <Chainfire> elektrinis I'm assuming the real issue here is SMS cost? since virtually all devices from the past 4 years or so support SMS's spanning multiple messages
Jan 08 09:55:07 <elektrinis> well, SMS are free here.
Jan 08 09:55:12 <elektrinis> MMS are not
Jan 08 09:55:35 <elektrinis> when your text does not fit in to 3 SMS, you get one expensive MMS
Jan 08 09:55:40 <Tricknology> Mavrik. you're right
Jan 08 09:55:46 <Chainfire> who decides that?
Jan 08 09:55:47 <Chainfire> the carrier/
Jan 08 09:55:49 <Chainfire> ?
Jan 08 09:55:57 <elektrinis> samsung
Jan 08 09:56:04 <Chainfire> thats odd
Jan 08 09:56:07 <elektrinis> that is harcoded
Jan 08 09:56:16 <Chainfire> ouch!
Jan 08 09:56:18 <Tricknology> I've notices on lolipop, the stock emoji's use u a bunch of chars
Jan 08 09:56:33 <elektrinis> yup
Jan 08 09:56:34 <appel1> Tricknology: no, they use a different character encoding
Jan 08 09:56:49 <elektrinis> use one unicode char and it sends all your asciis as unicode
Jan 08 09:56:55 <Tricknology> 62 characters
Jan 08 09:56:57 <elektrinis> utf-8 would fix this
Jan 08 09:57:33 <Tricknology> no 160-61
Jan 08 09:57:36 <Tricknology> 140-61
Jan 08 09:58:34 <Chainfire> isn't it so that for asian languages using a default utf-8 encoding would end up using more bytes than a default utf-16/ucs-2 encoding?
Jan 08 09:58:55 <Chainfire> (still, I agree utf-8 support would have been nice)
Jan 08 10:01:53 <Tricknology> merde
Jan 08 10:02:10 <Tricknology> eclipse crashes and does CG blah blah when I run my app :9
Jan 08 10:03:42 <Tricknology> wtfffff
Jan 08 10:04:00 <Tricknology> you want asian chars use unicode
Jan 08 10:04:12 <Tricknology> not like one character isnt like 3 words anyway
Jan 08 10:06:29 <Mavrik> Chainfire, I think only korean/chinese are a problem since they're on 3-byte and 4-byte plain
Jan 08 10:16:31 <Chainfire> Mavrik> as I read it, all East-Asian languages
Jan 08 10:16:42 <Chainfire> that includes korean, chinese, thai, and japanese
Jan 08 10:16:47 <Chainfire> or... half the world
Jan 08 10:16:53 <Chainfire> pretty relevant, I would say!
Jan 08 10:23:26 <Tricknology> restart time..
Jan 08 10:48:44 <DrSkyLizard> According to https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/138000?hl=en starting with January 1st 2015 tax laws regarding VAT have changed in European Union from "based on the country in which a customer is resident" instead of "based on the retailer’s country"  and in the VAT-inclusive countries are developers required to add VAT to the price set in Google Play Developer console? I ask this because I've just tested
Jan 08 10:48:45 <DrSkyLizard>  and Google adds VAT already even if I'm in a VAT-inclusive country, if I add  VAT to the price I set for my in app item Google will add VAT again.
Jan 08 10:49:30 <DrSkyLizard> I currently don't have VATs set for the price of items in VAT-inclusive items
Jan 08 10:50:46 <DrSkyLizard> If I add VAT to the prices, Google will add VAT too, which means double VATing...
Jan 08 10:50:55 <DrSkyLizard> Something is wrong on the Google side?
Jan 08 10:53:11 <Tricknology> hey having a huge problem here w eclipse
Jan 08 10:53:27 <Tricknology> trying to run my project and I am getting GC error
Jan 08 10:53:42 <Tricknology> does not happen with other projects
Jan 08 10:54:23 <Tricknology> tried a fresh install of eclipse as well
Jan 08 10:54:49 <DrSkyLizard> rm -rf eclipse ; wget astudio
Jan 08 10:56:37 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: delete your workspace directory
Jan 08 10:56:48 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: (make a backup beforehand)
Jan 08 10:57:19 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: the one that contains metadatas
Jan 08 10:57:52 <DrSkyLizard> I think it is the .metadata directory
Jan 08 10:57:55 <shmoon_> if I want to handle multiple types of loaders, I though I could do this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/08fc26be19a8203b31cf
Jan 08 10:58:00 <DrSkyLizard> Haven't used Eclipse in ages though
Jan 08 10:58:03 <shmoon_> but D turns red and its an error ,why s o?
Jan 08 10:58:10 <Tricknology> can i just delete metadata?
Jan 08 10:58:12 <shmoon_> I though i could use java generics like that
Jan 08 10:58:33 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: make a backup and delete it and close eclipse and open it again and open your project in a new workspace
Jan 08 10:59:02 <Tricknology> DrSkyLizard, I tried this in a fresh version of eclipse.. new version of eclipse wiht old workspace
Jan 08 10:59:27 <DrSkyLizard> the problem is in the workspace
Jan 08 10:59:30 <DrSkyLizard> metadata*
Jan 08 10:59:32 <Tricknology> i see
Jan 08 10:59:33 <Tricknology> ty
Jan 08 10:59:41 <DrSkyLizard> try it and see
Jan 08 11:01:02 <Tricknology> ah its like a new eclipse install again
Jan 08 11:01:10 <Tricknology> no adt nothing
Jan 08 11:01:42 <ravilov> shmoon_, public <D> Loader<D> onCreateLoader(int id, Bundle args)
Jan 08 11:03:14 <shmoon_> ravilov: nope, still error
Jan 08 11:03:25 <shmoon_> @override turns red
Jan 08 11:03:56 <Tricknology> and my projects are gone :(
Jan 08 11:04:20 <ravilov> you're trying to override a non-existent method, or you're not using the correct method signature
Jan 08 11:05:09 <shmoon_> it is correct i'm working with this http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/LoaderManager.LoaderCallbacks.html
Jan 08 11:05:17 <shmoon_> i think so
Jan 08 11:06:30 <Tricknology> That did id DrSkyLizard, had to import my projects again though
Jan 08 11:11:17 <paulo_> hello
Jan 08 11:11:25 <paulo_> do I need a domain to publish on the play store?
Jan 08 11:11:41 <p_l> no
Jan 08 11:18:41 <ravilov> shmoon_, dunno if this works but at least it doesn't report errors http://pastebin.com/S8Rz30pA
Jan 08 11:19:55 <ravilov> of course LoadersActivity is no longer usable as a straight-up activity anymore
Jan 08 11:21:16 <Unknown0BC> Hello. So I have a long representing a time in milliseconds. And I would like to display that like this hh:mm:ss ...
Jan 08 11:21:25 <Unknown0BC> is there a standard procedure to use ?
Jan 08 11:21:32 <Unknown0BC> or am I going to write it ?
Jan 08 11:21:35 <Unknown0BC> :\
Jan 08 11:22:41 <ravilov> long is just a number, it cannot be converted to absolute time without a fixed reference point
Jan 08 11:23:19 <Unknown0BC> :)
Jan 08 11:23:29 <shmoon_> ravilov: ya that, not usable
Jan 08 11:23:52 <Unknown0BC> I could have saved myself a minute but just writing it.
Jan 08 11:23:53 <Unknown0BC> :)
Jan 08 11:24:00 <Unknown0BC> and asking zero questions :)
Jan 08 11:24:11 <Unknown0BC> But then sometimes wasting time is such fun !
Jan 08 11:24:18 <ravilov> shmoon_, too bad, that's the only way to use generics
Jan 08 11:24:44 <ravilov> Unknown0BC, in other words, how to convert a long to absolute time depends on what exactly this long represents
Jan 08 11:25:12 <ravilov> if it's System.currentTimeMillis(), then it represents number of ms since Jan 1 1970 at midnight
Jan 08 11:25:36 <ravilov> if it's SystemClock.uptimeMillis(), then it's number of ms since power on
Jan 08 11:25:39 <ravilov> etc etc
Jan 08 11:25:45 <Unknown0BC> Yeah, it represents a time like a stopwatch time.
Jan 08 11:26:01 <Unknown0BC> the time it took for an action to complete.
Jan 08 11:26:19 <ravilov> so you're actually converting it to an interval, not an absolute time
Jan 08 11:26:26 <Unknown0BC> I want to display it like hh:mm:ss
Jan 08 11:26:28 <ravilov> I'd say do your own processing
Jan 08 11:26:43 <Unknown0BC> yeah. I'm doing that.
Jan 08 11:26:44 <ravilov> it isn't so difficult
Jan 08 11:26:51 <Unknown0BC> thanks for the confirmation ravilov.
Jan 08 11:26:56 <Unknown0BC> yeah its not ;)
Jan 08 11:27:49 <Unknown0BC> Now females they can be difficult.
Jan 08 11:27:58 <Unknown0BC> Programming is a breeze, a walk in the park !!
Jan 08 11:28:19 <guy> Somewhat generic question. If I install Android emulator on a PC and install an app (e.g. Netflix) on the Android emulator, would I be able to intercept the API calls that the app is making?
Jan 08 11:28:21 <guy> or would they most likely be somehow encrypted?
Jan 08 11:32:45 <OverCoder> um, how can i make squared buttons?
Jan 08 11:32:52 <OverCoder> i actually want to make a calculator
Jan 08 11:33:04 <OverCoder> i want it to be professionally designed
Jan 08 11:34:42 <ravilov> hire a pro then
Jan 08 11:40:35 <shmoon_> when screen orientation changes the activity is completely destroyed and a new one is created from scratch?
Jan 08 11:42:44 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: you can try and copy parts of the old .metadata directory to the new one, including your plugins
Jan 08 11:42:53 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: and see where it borks
Jan 08 11:43:13 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: if it does, but only copy what you really need
Jan 08 11:43:37 <DrSkyLizard> Tricknology: anyway, something got corruped in the workspace metadata
Jan 08 11:56:31 <OverCoder> how can i force a layout to fit itself in the activity without scrolling?
Jan 08 12:01:28 <OverCoder> عة
Jan 08 12:01:33 <OverCoder> i mmean
Jan 08 12:01:39 <OverCoder> how to get time in linux terminal
Jan 08 12:02:44 <OverCoder> o wait
Jan 08 12:02:48 <OverCoder> wrong channel
Jan 08 12:02:48 <OverCoder> omg
Jan 08 12:11:42 <DrSkyLizard> OverCoder: date "+%H:%M:%S %:z %Z"
Jan 08 12:11:58 <OverCoder> yeah that worked
Jan 08 12:12:13 <shmoon_> wonder why they have different classes Loader and AsyncTaskLoader
Jan 08 12:12:20 <shmoon_> could be a single class, as I don't see uch point in Loader class
Jan 08 12:13:50 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: Have you read the docs ? https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Loader.html
Jan 08 12:14:12 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: expecially the note on threading
Jan 08 12:16:26 <shmoon_> DrSkyLizard: hmm yeah
Jan 08 12:16:36 <shmoon_> Loaders should do all on main thread
Jan 08 12:16:40 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: also, Loader is an abstract class, which imeplements some loading functionality but subclasses are required to do the "other" work
Jan 08 12:16:52 <DrSkyLizard> in the manner required by them
Jan 08 12:17:50 <shmoon_> its not abstract actually
Jan 08 12:18:45 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: not abstract explicitly
Jan 08 12:18:51 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: but used as one
Jan 08 12:19:39 <DrSkyLizard> as there is no abstract keyword on the protected methods https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/refs/heads/master/core/java/android/content/Loader.java
Jan 08 12:19:54 <DrSkyLizard> which most of them are empty
Jan 08 12:20:36 <screwsss> could i get anyone in here to go into their system/apps folder and tell me if they see any folder inside that folder and if so whats it called
Jan 08 12:20:53 <DrSkyLizard> shmoon_: whoever implemented that class either didn't knew enough Java or he did it on purpose
Jan 08 12:21:07 <shmoon_> ok :D
Jan 08 12:25:48 <OverCoder> um
Jan 08 12:25:54 <OverCoder> i'm using floating activities in my app
Jan 08 12:26:14 <OverCoder> but the thing is whenever the floating activity opens, the background activity is closed
Jan 08 12:26:37 <OverCoder> but i want it to be on-top-of and not replace the current activity
Jan 08 12:26:50 <danijoo> screwsss, there are hundreds of folders in it..
Jan 08 12:26:59 <screwsss> er
Jan 08 12:27:00 <screwsss> reallyt
Jan 08 12:28:35 <danijoo> screwsss, http://prntscr.com/5pwfza
Jan 08 12:28:38 <danijoo> screenshot
Jan 08 12:29:01 <screwsss> danijoo: ahh okay could i get you to do a
Jan 08 12:29:03 <screwsss> cd apps
Jan 08 12:29:05 <screwsss> go into system/app
Jan 08 12:29:09 <screwsss> then do a dir
Jan 08 12:29:17 <screwsss> oh shit you did sorry
Jan 08 12:29:18 <danijoo> i did ... -_-
Jan 08 12:29:22 <danijoo> :)
Jan 08 12:29:23 <danijoo> np
Jan 08 12:29:41 <danijoo> and ls == dir
Jan 08 12:31:01 <screwsss> can you download es root explorer
Jan 08 12:31:24 <screwsss> and see if you can see and folders using that method
Jan 08 12:31:28 <screwsss> anything thats not actually an app
Jan 08 12:32:38 <danijoo> ist the emulator tough
Jan 08 12:32:48 <danijoo> you should be able to do the same ;)
Jan 08 12:33:20 <screwsss> i think i mightve needlessly/accidentally deleted a folder in system/apps
Jan 08 12:33:26 <screwsss> system/app i should say
Jan 08 12:33:29 <screwsss> it was in ther
Jan 08 12:33:33 <screwsss> im pretty sure i did
Jan 08 12:34:00 <danijoo> well just fire up the emulator and compare the differences
Jan 08 12:34:05 <danijoo> why do you need me for that?
Jan 08 12:35:01 <screwsss> i dont have the emulator
Jan 08 12:35:13 <screwsss> and this computer im on currently cant handle it anyway
Jan 08 12:35:21 <screwsss> do you hav the emulator?
Jan 08 12:35:24 <screwsss> all i need you do is look
Jan 08 12:36:05 <danijoo> i showed you all folders :p
Jan 08 12:36:15 <danijoo> with an explorer you wont see anything else
Jan 08 12:37:48 <screwsss> im taking another look at ur screenshot
Jan 08 12:39:27 <screwsss> yep all i see here are names of apps
Jan 08 12:39:30 <screwsss> which i have too
Jan 08 12:39:32 <screwsss> but
Jan 08 12:39:37 <screwsss> there was also another lone folder in there
Jan 08 12:39:41 <screwsss> which i accidentally deleted
Jan 08 12:39:49 <screwsss> it wouldve had a really strange name
Jan 08 12:39:54 * Chainfire can't find any decent docs (from start to finish) about how to take an Android Studio gradle library project and turning that into something that can be uploaded to jcenter, and doing so
Jan 08 12:39:58 <Chainfire> any hints?
Jan 08 12:45:02 <screwsss> danijoo: where did you go
Jan 08 12:45:14 <danijoo> i didnt go
Jan 08 12:47:53 <screwsss> could you go into system/app
Jan 08 12:47:57 <screwsss> and see if theres any folder in there
Jan 08 12:48:03 <screwsss> not .apk just a folder
Jan 08 12:48:11 <danijoo> I did. look at the screenshot...
Jan 08 12:48:11 <screwsss> like a link to a deeper directory
Jan 08 12:48:22 <screwsss> okay ill hav another look
Jan 08 12:48:30 <screwsss> btw http://i.imgur.com/YSrcaiM.png this is asier for me to see
Jan 08 12:49:55 <danijoo> see? all folders: http://prntscr.com/5pwmj2
Jan 08 12:51:17 <screwsss> okay
Jan 08 12:51:21 <screwsss> what i deleted mustve been some sorta
Jan 08 12:51:25 <screwsss> cache folder
Jan 08 12:51:26 <screwsss> or something
Jan 08 12:51:33 <screwsss> cause im really confused now
Jan 08 12:53:06 <wodim> how do i make it so ongoing notifications are removed automatically when my app is closed by being slided from the app list?
Jan 08 12:53:56 <abara> hey guys
Jan 08 12:54:43 <OverCoder> um
Jan 08 12:54:58 <OverCoder> FLAG_ACTIVITY_REORDER_TO_FRONT with pending intent?
Jan 08 12:55:09 <screwsss> danijoo: you still there
Jan 08 12:55:23 <danijoo> yes.
Jan 08 12:55:27 <OverCoder> i mean i tried setting this flag to the intent itself but it's getting ignored nce passed to a pending intent
Jan 08 12:55:59 <OverCoder> wodim, you hvae to put some listener for that
Jan 08 12:56:15 <OverCoder> i think overriding onDestory() would do it
Jan 08 12:56:28 <OverCoder> but however android might close it if he's out of memory
Jan 08 12:56:41 <wodim> ya but in that case i think the notification is destroyed
Jan 08 12:57:12 <OverCoder> um
Jan 08 12:57:56 <OverCoder> just google something like "android activity swipe listner"
Jan 08 12:57:59 <OverCoder> listener(
Jan 08 12:58:07 <OverCoder> listener**
Jan 08 12:58:09 <OverCoder> >.>
Jan 08 12:58:42 <screwsss> so did you see any folders
Jan 08 12:58:45 <screwsss> in your system/app directory
Jan 08 12:59:16 <danijoo> screwsss, are you kidding me?
Jan 08 12:59:42 <danijoo> i send you 2 screenshots. in both of them you can see all folders that are located in system/app
Jan 08 12:59:52 <danijoo> theres nothing more than that.
Jan 08 12:59:52 <screwsss> if you were to delete any of those folders, would they be system critical?
Jan 08 12:59:57 <screwsss> would you lose functionality?
Jan 08 13:00:17 <danijoo> i think the phone can explode if you delete the wrong folder.
Jan 08 13:00:24 <screwsss> ok fair
Jan 08 13:00:31 <danijoo> how should I know?
Jan 08 13:00:32 <screwsss> but like i deleted something by accident before
Jan 08 13:00:38 <danijoo> you dont even know what you deleted ;)
Jan 08 13:00:44 <screwsss> how should you know
Jan 08 13:00:53 <screwsss> i thought you were an android man
Jan 08 13:01:01 <screwsss> no i dont know what i deleted (long story)
Jan 08 13:01:07 <danijoo> yes. so...
Jan 08 13:01:19 <danijoo> i deleted a file on my home computer. will this do any problem?
Jan 08 13:01:28 <danijoo> you cant say without knowing what file..
Jan 08 13:02:01 <danijoo> also this is android-development and not about messing arround with the system. You should ask that in #android-root
Jan 08 13:02:11 <screwsss> this is sort of development
Jan 08 13:02:22 <screwsss> android-root has been dead since 2005 im not going to get any advice in there
Jan 08 13:02:38 <danijoo> here are the guys that write android apps
Jan 08 13:02:50 <danijoo> not the guys that mess with their system folders
Jan 08 13:06:09 <bpe> android did not exist in 2005 :)
Jan 08 13:06:41 <danijoo> they rooted before it was cool i think :p
Jan 08 13:06:43 <danijoo> xD
Jan 08 13:06:47 <perlsyntax> :)
Jan 08 13:07:00 <screwsss> hah hrm
Jan 08 13:07:10 <screwsss> so basically. im screwed
Jan 08 13:07:15 <danijoo> correct
Jan 08 13:07:18 <screwsss> if you tell me to go to android-root you may aswell say you are screwed
Jan 08 13:07:19 <bpe> basically, this is a developer chan
Jan 08 13:07:22 <screwsss> and are not going to get any help
Jan 08 13:07:53 <danijoo> maybe "stop deleting random folders in your system" is a good advice for your future :)
Jan 08 13:07:57 <aaearon> lol
Jan 08 13:08:39 <aaearon> if your phone still works maybe it wasnt important :)
Jan 08 13:09:03 <shmoon_> Does this thing only work with content providers cursors by default (without requery()) http://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/Cursor.html#registerContentObserver(android.database.ContentObserver) ?
Jan 08 13:09:09 <Napalm|afk> Chainfire: Check out https://github.com/chrisbanes/gradle-mvn-push
Jan 08 13:09:09 <danijoo> from a glance over the content of system/app, all folders contain apks of installed apps
Jan 08 13:09:21 <danijoo> so it might just work like some kind of apk cache and you are fine
Jan 08 13:09:25 <danijoo> but maybe not. i dont know
Jan 08 13:10:21 <screwsss> my phone is still working
Jan 08 13:10:44 <screwsss> i feel like an idiot
Jan 08 13:10:45 <screwsss> but also
Jan 08 13:10:48 <screwsss> i feel stupid
Jan 08 13:10:50 <screwsss> but on top of that
Jan 08 13:11:00 <screwsss> i have all my system .apks in here obviously
Jan 08 13:11:04 <screwsss> but not a single folder
Jan 08 13:11:09 <screwsss> u just showed me a screenshot of tons of folders
Jan 08 13:11:10 <screwsss> so
Jan 08 13:11:12 <screwsss> that makes me wonder
Jan 08 13:11:14 <screwsss> how important it was
Jan 08 13:11:15 <screwsss> yah?
Jan 08 13:11:19 <aaearon> if you're worried maybe spend time backing up data you deem critical, then reflash your ROM
Jan 08 13:11:32 <screwsss> couldnt be bothered
Jan 08 13:11:35 <screwsss> ive made so many settings and things
Jan 08 13:11:42 <screwsss> ill wait until it forces me to do that
Jan 08 13:14:24 <Chainfire> napalm thanks, I'll give that a read
Jan 08 13:14:50 <Napalm> Chainfire: your welcome, let me know if it works. I'll probably be doing that myself soon.
Jan 08 13:16:10 <screwsss> yeh
Jan 08 13:16:13 <screwsss> it probably wasnt that important
Jan 08 13:16:21 <screwsss> can we move onto problem #2
Jan 08 13:16:55 <screwsss> wana know if i can edit files inside of a apk
Jan 08 13:16:59 <screwsss> without unzipping it and all of that business
Jan 08 13:17:50 <danijoo> screwsss, did you read the topic of that channel?
Jan 08 13:18:47 <screwsss> im trying to develop an app
Jan 08 13:18:55 <screwsss> i have to do this first tho
Jan 08 13:20:18 <frank_o> Hi! I'm trying to create a realistic 3D rendering of my app's screenshot behind smartphone glass: http://i.imgur.com/h00pyER.jpg
Jan 08 13:20:21 <frank_o> However, would anybody be able to take a photo of their smartphone with my screenshot on it for comparison? http://i.imgur.com/40EEs9Q.png -- I need to see how it looks like in real life so I can adjust my surface, my lighting, atmospheric settings etc. accordingly. I only have an old GSM phone so :/
Jan 08 13:20:32 <screwsss> you dont want to help me
Jan 08 13:20:41 <screwsss> develop my app
Jan 08 13:22:22 <ashemark> Hi!
Jan 08 13:22:42 <danijoo> screwsss, changing other apks is no development, its modding
Jan 08 13:23:23 <ashemark> Are there any good tutorials of android gui animation etc? I find the official docs too arcane..
Jan 08 13:24:09 <screwsss> it will eventually become development
Jan 08 13:25:39 <danijoo> ashemark, I recently found a good one to start. let me see if I have a bookmark somewhere..
Jan 08 13:26:26 <screwsss> okay
Jan 08 13:26:39 <ashemark> danijoo: sure
Jan 08 13:26:43 <danijoo> ashemark, http://www.androiddesignpatterns.com/2014/12/activity-fragment-transitions-in-android-lollipop-part1.html
Jan 08 13:26:50 <danijoo> its also a good starting point for pre lollipop
Jan 08 13:27:01 <ashemark> oh thanks a ton
Jan 08 13:30:37 <danijoo> too bad part 3 & 4 are missing.
Jan 08 13:34:02 <screwsss> man
Jan 08 13:34:07 <screwsss> im never gonna get this sorted
Jan 08 13:36:06 <ashemark> no worries
Jan 08 13:37:05 <danijoo> screwsss, short answer to your question: not possible
Jan 08 13:38:53 <danijoo> long answer: apks are zip files. you cant modify something in a zip without unzipping it
Jan 08 13:40:00 <Chainfire> Napalm I'm giving up on this for now
Jan 08 13:40:06 <Chainfire> I've wasted 4 hours or so already on this
Jan 08 13:40:13 <Napalm> :(
Jan 08 13:40:25 <Chainfire> overly complicated bs
Jan 08 13:40:39 <Napalm> Chainfire: i'll let you know if I get it working at some point
Jan 08 13:40:44 <Chainfire> great
Jan 08 13:47:51 <danijoo> Wow. I really need to use Youtube Android Player API to play youtube vids in my app?
Jan 08 13:54:05 <shmoon_> how to handle insert operations from a cursorloader?
Jan 08 13:55:53 <MasterAwesome> Hi guys!
Jan 08 13:58:36 <MasterAwesome> I need guidance on how to FIX RIL errors
Jan 08 14:03:57 <screwsss> [00:38] <danijoo> long answer: apks are zip files. you cant modify something in a zip without unzipping it
Jan 08 14:04:05 <screwsss> would it be too crazy to suggest that i do that and re zip it?
Jan 08 14:04:09 <screwsss> and then re instal it somehow
Jan 08 14:04:26 <danijoo> no. thats actually what everybody does who wants to do that.
Jan 08 14:04:39 <danijoo> for themeing apps
Jan 08 14:05:33 <screwsss> so thats not possible
Jan 08 14:11:12 <danijoo> i just said it is.. ^^'
Jan 08 14:15:18 <screwsss> basically
Jan 08 14:15:25 <screwsss> i wanna disable the shutter noise in my phone
Jan 08 14:15:29 <screwsss> the default camera app
Jan 08 14:15:42 <hokkaido> disconnect speaker
Jan 08 14:16:11 <screwsss> hysterical
Jan 08 14:18:38 <danijoo> go to app settings and disable sounds lol
Jan 08 14:19:48 <screwsss> doesnt let me
Jan 08 14:19:59 <screwsss> there is a setting to disable shutter
Jan 08 14:20:00 <screwsss> but
Jan 08 14:20:14 <screwsss> when i click it
Jan 08 14:20:17 <screwsss> nothing happens
Jan 08 14:20:22 <screwsss> its as if they changed the law or somthing
Jan 08 14:21:55 <screwsss> i modified some of the audio files in system/media
Jan 08 14:22:03 <screwsss> that actually disabled shutter sound
Jan 08 14:22:07 <screwsss> but focus sound remains
Jan 08 14:22:14 <screwsss> i believe its getting it from inside the apk
Jan 08 14:22:16 <screwsss> i know where it is inside the apk
Jan 08 14:22:21 <screwsss> i just need to know how to modify it!
Jan 08 14:22:31 <screwsss> so are we in agreeance yes or no
Jan 08 14:22:50 <screwsss> if youre not sure or or if theres no way i would rather you just tell me now so i can go to bed
Jan 08 14:22:58 <danijoo> screwsss, why do you want to get the answer twice every time?
Jan 08 14:23:17 <screwsss> because i thought i read an article here where someone says how it can be done wait let me find it
Jan 08 14:23:26 <screwsss> (i think that you might be wrong btw)
Jan 08 14:23:55 <danijoo> I said it is possible by changing the files and repackage the apk
Jan 08 14:24:28 <screwsss> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48202838&postcount=16
Jan 08 14:24:35 <screwsss> i thought u said no
Jan 08 14:24:45 <screwsss> [01:04] <danijoo> no. thats actually what everybody does who wants to do that.for themeing apps
Jan 08 14:25:14 <screwsss> did you mean yes??
Jan 08 14:25:15 <danijoo> screwsss> would it be too crazy to suggest that .....
Jan 08 14:25:21 <screwsss> oh
Jan 08 14:25:26 <danijoo> "no, it would not be crazy"
Jan 08 14:25:33 <screwsss> okay
Jan 08 14:25:35 <screwsss> so
Jan 08 14:25:53 <screwsss> when i zip it back up should it be fast zip or slow zip
Jan 08 14:26:03 <screwsss> and i just put it back in system/app ?
Jan 08 14:26:08 <screwsss> simple
Jan 08 14:27:11 <danijoo> no. you install it
Jan 08 14:28:26 <screwsss> really
Jan 08 14:28:33 <screwsss> will it instal automatically
Jan 08 14:28:35 <screwsss> back to system
Jan 08 14:29:05 <danijoo> **YOU** install it
Jan 08 14:29:43 <screwsss> so
Jan 08 14:29:49 <screwsss> i just put the apk back into system/app
Jan 08 14:29:58 <screwsss> and thats that?
Jan 08 14:31:28 <danijoo> ok. please find someone else to help you
Jan 08 14:31:42 <screwsss> what the
Jan 08 14:32:18 <danijoo> your questions somehow make me angry sorry
Jan 08 14:32:29 <shmooz> screwsss: what's this got to do with android app development ?
Jan 08 14:32:31 <danijoo> i say "install" and you are talking about copying files to some weird places
Jan 08 14:32:52 <screwsss> well i dont know how to "install" a apk manually
Jan 08 14:32:58 <screwsss> and i dont even know what you are trying to say
Jan 08 14:33:36 <danijoo> you open a file browser like ES and click it
Jan 08 14:33:43 <danijoo> and then you click install
Jan 08 14:34:13 <shmooz> or you can use adb
Jan 08 14:34:52 <screwsss> im not a fan of adb
Jan 08 14:34:53 <danijoo> shmooz, but not if the skill level is on "how do I intall an apk"
Jan 08 14:35:10 <screwsss> yeh but
Jan 08 14:35:20 <screwsss> does it now no longer become a system app
Jan 08 14:35:39 <danijoo> dont know
Jan 08 14:35:40 <danijoo> google it
Jan 08 14:35:55 <danijoo> everything you asked in the last 2 hours can be googled in 2 minutes
Jan 08 14:36:16 <screwsss> i googled heaps
Jan 08 14:36:22 <screwsss> couldnt find any answers
Jan 08 14:36:30 <screwsss> plus its easier for me to ask
Jan 08 14:36:33 <screwsss> than read through 2 hours of pages
Jan 08 14:36:48 <danijoo> if this is the reason, ill ignore your questions npw.
Jan 08 14:36:49 <shmooz> yes screwsss your questions are not approriate here, this channel isn't for spoon feeding noobs how to USE android
Jan 08 14:36:51 <danijoo> now*
Jan 08 14:37:05 <screwsss> i know how to use android lol.
Jan 08 14:37:09 <screwsss> i think you guys arent getting the point
Jan 08 14:38:09 <screwsss> i want to disable the sound effects in my camera
Jan 08 14:38:10 <screwsss> and
Jan 08 14:38:17 <danijoo> i think we all got that you are too lazy to google and want us to find answers for you
Jan 08 14:38:19 <screwsss> most of the threads i read on this subject for 2 hours
Jan 08 14:38:25 <screwsss> ended with ppl giving up
Jan 08 14:38:48 <screwsss> i deal with ppl better than i do a search engine
Jan 08 14:38:53 <shmooz> and why are you asking android application programmers about this?
Jan 08 14:39:05 <screwsss> i figured you guys *might* know
Jan 08 14:39:09 <screwsss> how to do what im trying to do
Jan 08 14:39:33 <danijoo> shmooz, you should just give up on that :/
Jan 08 14:39:40 <screwsss> a lot of ppl here have been down 'that road before'
Jan 08 14:39:51 <screwsss> android-root is dead
Jan 08 14:39:58 <screwsss> i may as well type my query into notepad
Jan 08 14:40:04 <screwsss> cuz i will get a better response
Jan 08 14:40:11 <shmooz> screwsss: which phone do you have ?
Jan 08 14:40:23 <danijoo> its not dead. they just stopped answering if the question can be googled :)
Jan 08 14:40:36 <screwsss> galaxy note 3 international
Jan 08 14:40:51 <Leeds> dammit guys - screwsss paid for a #android(-dev/-root) support contract for immediate assistant with issues, and he's not getting value for money!
Jan 08 14:41:04 <danijoo> ^^'
Jan 08 14:41:05 <screwsss> wait
Jan 08 14:41:09 <screwsss> i didnt pay for nothing
Jan 08 14:41:28 <ArmitaageDS> Um, does anyone here use AIDE? I'm having a hard time getting R.java to generate
Jan 08 14:41:28 <danijoo> wait. you didnt pay screwsss ?
Jan 08 14:41:37 <danijoo> How could you enter this channel then?
Jan 08 14:41:46 <screwsss> is someone meant to pay me??
Jan 08 14:42:02 <shmooz> screwsss: here you go ...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zZjdaowsQ
Jan 08 14:42:07 <sylflo> hi
Jan 08 14:42:22 <danijoo> shmooz, wow.. there are really videos for something like that?
Jan 08 14:42:23 <screwsss> rick rolle again
Jan 08 14:42:40 <screwsss> shmooz: 135 dislikes for 100 likes
Jan 08 14:42:44 <screwsss> red flag number one
Jan 08 14:42:50 <screwsss> but ive already watched this video
Jan 08 14:42:52 <screwsss> not even this guy knew
Jan 08 14:43:01 <screwsss> actually he did but only works on some models of the phone not the model i have
Jan 08 14:43:05 <screwsss> but thats okay cuz im root
Jan 08 14:43:29 <danijoo> screwsss, could you please explain how you entered the channel without paying the fee? we need to fix our system
Jan 08 14:43:53 <screwsss> double clicked the link in #android
Jan 08 14:43:56 <screwsss> in the topic
Jan 08 14:43:57 <sylflo> I'd like to know if it's possible to do a soft keyboard on android with custom emoticon (image). I found a lot of resources but always with big problems to do it. And a lot of them no resolve
Jan 08 14:44:04 <screwsss> maybe put something in the topic
Jan 08 14:44:13 <screwsss> like tollcharge
Jan 08 14:44:28 <shmooz> omg did he slip in without paying the fee ??
Jan 08 14:44:35 <danijoo> yeah..
Jan 08 14:44:47 <shmooz> kick him
Jan 08 14:45:24 <danijoo> btw. there should really be one..
Jan 08 14:45:35 <danijoo> 1$ per question that does not belong in here
Jan 08 14:45:45 <shmooz> a penalty jar
Jan 08 14:45:58 <danijoo> we all would be rich
Jan 08 14:46:24 <shmooz> I don't mind off topic if it doesn't get in the way of on topic, better than nothing when you're bored
Jan 08 14:46:33 <screwsss> whats your bank account number
Jan 08 14:46:44 <sylflo> is this my question that does not belong here ?
Jan 08 14:47:06 <danijoo> sylflo, not releated to you :)
Jan 08 14:47:09 <danijoo> yours is fine :)
Jan 08 14:47:16 <screwsss> pft
Jan 08 14:47:30 <Leeds> sylflo: it does belong here, but there aren't many people around with experience of writing keyboards
Jan 08 14:47:35 <shmooz> 12417158131
Jan 08 14:47:49 <sylflo> ok thanks for the precision Leeds
Jan 08 14:48:55 <screwsss> sylflo: sorry we couldnt help you
Jan 08 14:49:01 <screwsss> sylflo: maybe try google. www.google.com
Jan 08 14:49:18 <screwsss> yay im an official senior level helper
Jan 08 14:49:32 <shmooz> we ?? since when are you we ?
Jan 08 14:49:39 <screwsss> im you
Jan 08 14:49:46 <screwsss> you see.
Jan 08 14:50:18 <ArmitaageDS> Speaking of questions, does anyone have experience getting AIDE to generate the R.java? Since I made the last few changes to my project, it refuses to recognize 2 new ids and my MainActivity.java is showing unknown member R errors. It's driving me nuts
Jan 08 14:50:47 <shmooz> you gotta eat 40 ovens of bread, hunt 10 bears, and move 3 mountains to be us
Jan 08 14:51:50 <sylflo> screwsss I try google and some forums and look into stackoverflow and there a lot of question about it. And the most of them got no response.
Jan 08 14:52:55 <Leeds> ArmitaageDS: in general, advice is "don't use AIDE"
Jan 08 14:53:20 <danijoo> sylflo, actually few people ever build good working custom keyboards
Jan 08 14:53:30 <danijoo> so there arent a lot with experience in it
Jan 08 14:53:50 <danijoo> and its hard to find advice. If you want to do that, prepare to have to fiddle arround alot on your own
Jan 08 14:54:38 <ArmitaageDS> Let's say that I have a reason to use AIDE. Once that's out of the way, any suggestions on how to force it to rebuild the file I need?
Jan 08 14:54:40 <Leeds> that said, I'm not sure why a custom emoji should be hard
Jan 08 14:55:08 <sylflo> yeah I think I know that now. A friend of mine works on iOS and it's really simple to do a keyboard. Much more thant Android.
Jan 08 14:57:40 <sylflo> *than
Jan 08 14:58:01 <MasterAwesome> Hi
Jan 08 15:00:29 <MasterAwesome> :-/
Jan 08 15:01:04 <shmooz> ArmitaageDS: try renaming the id's , it might be conflicting
Jan 08 15:01:40 <t0th_-_> anybody dah problems with downloadManager.cancel in lollipop?
Jan 08 15:03:33 <ArmitaageDS> shmooz, just tried that and it still refuses
Jan 08 15:03:36 <MasterAwesome> I've been getting RIL errors on my new lollipop build
Jan 08 15:03:53 <shmooz> ArmitaageDS: time to move to AS or Eclipse
Jan 08 15:04:26 <shmooz> noone talks about AIDE here
Jan 08 15:04:50 <ArmitaageDS> Don't have a computer with privileges to install one of those, so...
Jan 08 15:05:24 <shmooz> ArmitaageDS: then you have better chance rewording your search on google
Jan 08 15:06:22 <ArmitaageDS> Well, thanks for trying to help
Jan 08 15:15:53 <Fraz> goddamnit
Jan 08 15:15:56 <MasterAwesome> ...
Jan 08 15:16:38 <Fraz> 2 android devices, multiple cables, tried all kinds of stuff and on neither will connect properly
Jan 08 15:16:55 <Fraz> -on
Jan 08 15:17:15 <shmooz> Fraz: what desktop OS ?
Jan 08 15:17:27 <Fraz> win 8.1
Jan 08 15:17:27 <MasterAwesome> If linux try lsusb
Jan 08 15:17:38 <MasterAwesome> then device manager to state an unknown device
Jan 08 15:18:03 <Azjo> Hi, im playing with a philips 65PUS9809 which has android support (4.4.2 i think) but the apps i installed from playstore is clearly only for phones. does anyone have experience with philips and play store apps? or just apps for TVs?
Jan 08 15:18:35 <Fraz> the asus isnt an unknown device, its installed. i never get the authorization dialog on the device though. With the lenovo im having another issue
Jan 08 15:18:58 <Fraz> as in it wont find the drivers, even using lenovo smart assistantr
Jan 08 15:19:05 <MasterAwesome> Hmm...
Jan 08 15:19:33 <bynarie> Fraz, still having the same problem?
Jan 08 15:19:38 <shmooz> Fraz: look for the specific model of the newest USB drivers for those devices
Jan 08 15:19:58 <alexfu> Even with setting statusBarColor to transparent, there still exists a semi-transparent black overlay... is there a way to completely make it 100% transparent?
Jan 08 15:20:12 <MasterAwesome> Maybe try installing Google Generic USB Driver
Jan 08 15:20:16 <Fraz> shmooz lenovo doesnt seem to have any for this device, just a windows app for installing drivers which fails
Jan 08 15:20:33 <bynarie> did you try a live linux distro on USB to see if it works on that? give that a shot and atleast if it doesnt work u can rule out a problem with windows, or confirm a problem with windows
Jan 08 15:20:33 <bynarie> Fraz,
Jan 08 15:20:49 <Fraz> <bynarie>, yes
Jan 08 15:20:53 <Fraz> didnt work also
Jan 08 15:20:57 <bynarie> oh ok
Jan 08 15:20:58 <Fraz> no authorization dialog
Jan 08 15:21:02 <MasterAwesome> try lsusb on linux
Jan 08 15:21:04 <Fraz> thats for the asus
Jan 08 15:21:15 <shmooz> Fraz: I'm talking about your HTC or Samsung UBS drivers for windows
Jan 08 15:21:15 <bynarie> so i would assume its something with the device itself then, not a driver issue
Jan 08 15:21:24 <shmooz> or whatever device name is
Jan 08 15:21:37 <bynarie> i dont think its a driver issue
Jan 08 15:21:54 <bynarie> if it didnt work in linux either then somethin else is going on
Jan 08 15:22:02 <Fraz> bynarie, im not sure because im also having trouble getting another (lenovo) device to work now. in this case the drivers just dont seem to want to install using lenovo smart assistant
Jan 08 15:22:08 * Fraz tries the google usb drivers
Jan 08 15:22:13 <bynarie> hm
Jan 08 15:22:45 <bynarie> the google usb drivers are for nexus devices
Jan 08 15:22:55 <MasterAwesome> Not really.
Jan 08 15:22:57 <bynarie> but worth a shot
Jan 08 15:23:06 <MasterAwesome> The vendor id, might match.
Jan 08 15:23:09 <bynarie> MasterAwesome, no?
Jan 08 15:23:50 <MasterAwesome> For example, motorola's vendor id is the same as google's. So installing Google's USB driver would do the same as downloading a motorola driver
Jan 08 15:24:20 <bynarie> oh really i didnt know that
Jan 08 15:24:39 <bynarie> thx for the info
Jan 08 15:24:42 <MasterAwesome> :P
Jan 08 15:26:02 <MasterAwesome> Not really sure about it now, since Lenovo owns Motorola.
Jan 08 15:26:03 <bynarie> =]
Jan 08 15:26:30 <MasterAwesome> The vendor id basically resides in the init.rc scripts so, you can change it :/
Jan 08 15:27:43 <Fraz> i force installed them
Jan 08 15:27:50 <shmooz> I think google made a mistake selling Motorola to lenovo after they bought it
Jan 08 15:27:55 <Fraz> still no authorization dialog
Jan 08 15:28:03 <Fraz> brb gonna reboot
Jan 08 15:30:06 <MasterAwesome> Shouldnt have sold motorola
Jan 08 15:30:18 <MasterAwesome> they just started making half decent mobiles
Jan 08 15:30:36 <MasterAwesome> I saw their stock increase, its pretty high slope
Jan 08 15:31:05 <bynarie> lol
Jan 08 15:31:14 <bynarie> whats the stock value right now?
Jan 08 15:31:50 <MasterAwesome> 65.350.92 (1.43%)
Jan 08 15:32:16 <bynarie> usd?
Jan 08 15:32:52 <MasterAwesome> yeah
Jan 08 15:33:29 <MasterAwesome> They finally started making profits, right when Google sold the company :/
Jan 08 15:33:46 <bynarie> ha
Jan 08 15:36:46 <Fraz> GODDAMN!
Jan 08 15:36:56 * Fraz shouts at random stuff
Jan 08 15:37:30 <Fraz> ive started talking to myself now
Jan 08 15:38:44 <MasterAwesome> Great
Jan 08 15:38:50 <MasterAwesome> signs of becoming a good dev
Jan 08 15:39:09 <MasterAwesome> Throw your mouse around and then you've perfected it
Jan 08 15:40:21 <Fraz> nah just bought this razer deathadder!
Jan 08 15:41:04 <Fraz> i could throw the lenovo around
Jan 08 15:41:05 <Fraz> its not mine
Jan 08 15:41:32 <Fraz> is there anything with windows 8 that could be causing this problem?
Jan 08 15:42:31 <MasterAwesome> Maybe, live boot a linux
Jan 08 15:42:37 <bynarie> he already tried
Jan 08 15:42:44 <bynarie> same outcome
Jan 08 15:43:17 <MasterAwesome> Ah.. Go to settings->storage->mount settings there
Jan 08 15:43:21 <Fraz> already tried that masterawesome, will try lusb shortly though
Jan 08 15:43:27 <MasterAwesome> lsusb*
Jan 08 15:43:41 <Fraz> just gonna try my desire hd see if i can debug at all on it
Jan 08 15:43:46 <Fraz> thats running 2.2
Jan 08 15:44:43 <Fraz> hmm shows as offline
Jan 08 15:45:06 <MasterAwesome> 2.2?
Jan 08 15:45:08 <MasterAwesome> 2.2 what?
Jan 08 15:45:26 <ag0ny> Is it still not possible to read EXIF-Data from a stream with the default Android API?
Jan 08 15:46:09 <Fraz> android 2.2
Jan 08 15:46:24 <MasterAwesome> Nope.
Jan 08 15:46:30 <Fraz> so i dont need to authorize it
Jan 08 15:46:51 <MasterAwesome> Whaaat?
Jan 08 15:46:59 <MasterAwesome> what year is this 1990's
Jan 08 15:47:22 <MasterAwesome> Why do you have such an outdated OS?
Jan 08 15:47:43 <_Auron_> 2.2 O_o
Jan 08 15:47:52 <Fraz> oh its 2.3.7:P
Jan 08 15:48:01 <Fraz> its running cyanogenmod 7
Jan 08 15:48:23 <bynarie> wow! thats new!
Jan 08 15:48:24 <eghdk> can i write unit tests without using robolectric or anything. i just want to write basic tests for two basic methods right now.
Jan 08 15:48:30 <Fraz> theres no developer settings:S
Jan 08 15:48:34 <MasterAwesome> Oh god even a Wrist Watch > 2.3.7
Jan 08 15:48:39 <Fraz> lol
Jan 08 15:48:47 <Fraz> well i havnt used this in years
Jan 08 15:48:50 <MasterAwesome> A piece of Rock > 2.3.7
Jan 08 15:48:54 <Fraz> dug it out the other day
Jan 08 15:48:58 <_Auron_> I think my droid X has 2.3.4 or something
Jan 08 15:49:14 <MasterAwesome> I dug out my rock too :P
Jan 08 15:49:22 <_Auron_> but the screen has bursts of dead pixels and is sitting in a drawer at home somewhere
Jan 08 15:50:00 <Fraz> lol this desire hd is like new
Jan 08 15:50:04 <MasterAwesome> Just like my computer right now
Jan 08 15:56:30 <Chainfire> Napalm I may have something somewhat working based on generating the necessary files myself
Jan 08 15:56:33 <Chainfire> its messy
Jan 08 15:56:54 <Napalm> you just couldnt stop, could you :D
Jan 08 15:57:05 <Chainfire> never
Jan 08 15:57:22 <Chainfire> so many hours wasted though
Jan 08 15:57:32 <Napalm> as always with these things :(
Jan 08 15:57:40 <Chainfire> but such is life with Android development. never no good examples unless you already know what you're doing and don't need the examples ;)
Jan 08 15:57:54 <Napalm> ;) as always
Jan 08 15:58:02 <Napalm> it wouldnt be fun otherwise :D
Jan 08 15:58:11 <Chainfire> wouldn't it?
Jan 08 15:58:27 <Napalm> s/fun/interesting
Jan 08 15:58:35 <Chainfire> s/interesting/stressful
Jan 08 15:58:41 <Napalm> :)
Jan 08 15:59:07 <_Auron_> I generally do okay with android development, but layouts are maddening to me
Jan 08 15:59:14 <Chainfire> apparently now the jcenter guys still need to manually approve my package, then I can try downloading and testing it myself
Jan 08 15:59:31 <Chainfire> I'll put the actual script in libsuperuser's github so others can rip it off (assuming they can get it to work, hehe)
Jan 08 15:59:32 <Napalm> Chainfire: see PM
Jan 08 16:00:57 <DammitJim> is there a way to get network usage per app?
Jan 08 16:01:14 <luist> hey guys.. when i rotate the device my fragment closes and the app goes back to the main page/fragment… how can i prevent that? This is the actual fragment that i dont want to close on rotate: http://paste.ofcode.org/unpwjkqK2akqgQqChNMrNV
Jan 08 16:02:23 <Fraz> rigth its confirmed
Jan 08 16:02:26 <Fraz> nothing works
Jan 08 16:02:37 <Fraz> installed htc sync which is supposed to handle the drivers
Jan 08 16:02:46 <Fraz> but it doesnt detect the phone
Jan 08 16:09:03 <samskiter> hey all. looking at the watchface apis. cant find any documentation for setCardProgressMode
Jan 08 16:09:08 <samskiter> what is card progress mode?
Jan 08 16:15:14 <captainhug> any experts with google-play-game-services here today?
Jan 08 16:15:45 <AndreYonadam> Good morning
Jan 08 16:15:56 <MikeWallaceDev> good morning :)
Jan 08 16:16:17 <Mattx> hellllo guys!
Jan 08 16:16:20 <AndreYonadam> Lol just woke up so was about to type "Good morning again"
Jan 08 16:16:26 <AndreYonadam> *agaim
Jan 08 16:16:28 <AndreYonadam> *again
Jan 08 16:16:35 <Mattx> I've a problem. I've a youtube player inside a linear layout with vertical scroll.
Jan 08 16:16:46 <Mattx> what should be the size of that playeR?
Jan 08 16:17:21 <AndreYonadam> Mattx: Maybe fill the width and warp the height?
Jan 08 16:17:28 <ArmitaageDS> Well, I figured out what my issue is. Gonna have to get on appfour's case about it, because it's really bad design. The dumb thing wanted me to build my entire layout through the layout designer and made it a pain to make layout_above and layout_below select the views I wanted. But that's something I should take up with appfour.
Jan 08 16:17:33 <Mattx> right now it's not playing any video, it seems it is constantly stopped because -I assume- some part of it is covered
Jan 08 16:17:55 <AndreYonadam> Mattx: You can enable a feature in the developer options to show you where the layouts are
Jan 08 16:17:58 <AndreYonadam> ITs really helpful
Jan 08 16:18:02 <Mattx> AndreYonadam, I tried that but it's too big. I have a ad banner at the bottom and a header at the top (with the name of the section etc)
Jan 08 16:18:17 <Mattx> oh, interesting. I didn't know that. let me chec
Jan 08 16:18:19 <Mattx> check *
Jan 08 16:18:30 <AndreYonadam> Mattx: Sure. Put the header outside of the scroll.
Jan 08 16:18:55 <Fraz> ok im booted into linux now. What do i do lol
Jan 08 16:21:16 <Fraz> neither the lenovo or the asus are doing anything when i connect them. how do i use this lsusb?
Jan 08 16:21:51 <Napalm> Fraz: what are you trying to do?
Jan 08 16:22:22 <Fraz> trying to get my tablets to show the authorization dialog when connected
Jan 08 16:22:55 <Fraz> cant get them working under win 8.1 so trying under linux to confirm whether they work or not
Jan 08 16:22:59 <Syzygy> I'm trying to load a webpage via a webview, but some of the text is not displayed or different from the version i load in my phones browser. any idea what could cause this?
Jan 08 16:24:16 <Syzygy> Fraz, try going into your developer settings and revoke all USB authorizations, that usually fixes it for me
Jan 08 16:24:50 <Fraz> not in this case
Jan 08 16:25:01 <Fraz> ive gone through every possible solution for windows
Jan 08 16:25:04 <Napalm> Fraz: Either run `android update adb` from your android SDK or add the VENDOR id from lsub to your ~/.android/adb_usb.ini file and restart adb
Jan 08 16:25:22 <Napalm> Fraz: Did you enable developer options on the devices?
Jan 08 16:25:27 <Fraz> yup
Jan 08 16:25:38 <Napalm> well on windows its straight forward
Jan 08 16:25:57 <Fraz> ive explained this about 10 times over in here hehe. ive done all the obvious things
Jan 08 16:26:11 <Napalm> first enable developer options on the device and tick the debug usb option
Jan 08 16:26:21 <Napalm> then disconnect and reconnect the device
Jan 08 16:26:27 <Fraz> in different orders, with different drivers, different cables, different devices
Jan 08 16:26:47 <Fraz> yes napalm, thats done
Jan 08 16:26:54 <Napalm> then go into device manager find the composite usb device for it and right click update drivers select manually and choose the usb_driver folder from the sdk
Jan 08 16:27:03 <Fraz> done
Jan 08 16:27:38 <Fraz> the devices are detected in windows, at least the asus and lenovo are. i just  never get the authorization popup on either device
Jan 08 16:27:59 <ArmitaageDS> Syzygy, does the page you're trying to load use javascript? And is javascript enabled in your WebView?
Jan 08 16:28:15 <Fraz> and i also dont get them in linux
Jan 08 16:28:16 <Fraz> so im lost
Jan 08 16:28:17 <Napalm> even once you do; "adb kill-server" and then "adb devices"
Jan 08 16:28:25 <Fraz> yup
Jan 08 16:28:27 <Syzygy> I believe it uses javascript, it works neither with nor without javascript
Jan 08 16:28:48 <Syzygy> mWebView.getSettings().setJavaScriptEnabled(true); is the specific line I used
Jan 08 16:28:50 <Napalm> perhaps its your usb hub/root port itself
Jan 08 16:29:11 <Napalm> Fraz: try checking your BIOS settings and make sure it's set to hand off usb correctly to the OS
Jan 08 16:29:14 <Fraz> ive tried all ports, theres 6 on the back
Jan 08 16:29:20 <Fraz> and ive tried the 2 front ports 2
Jan 08 16:29:29 <Fraz> 3 different cables
Jan 08 16:29:39 <Fraz> 2 different devices
Jan 08 16:29:54 <Fraz> google usb and universal usb drivers
Jan 08 16:29:57 <ArmitaageDS> Syzygy, it's also possible that it detects user agent, either with javascript or server side
Jan 08 16:30:01 <Napalm> Fraz: ofc you tried the 'clear auth' option in developer options to reset them
Jan 08 16:30:06 <Fraz> yup
Jan 08 16:30:18 <Napalm> Fraz: and they dont appear in lsub for linux?
Jan 08 16:30:25 <Syzygy> ArmitaageDS, so you're saying it's the websites fault?
Jan 08 16:30:32 <Fraz> i dont know yet, im not sure how to check:P
Jan 08 16:30:36 <Fraz> thats what i need help with now
Jan 08 16:30:44 <Napalm> open a terminal and run lsusb
Jan 08 16:30:48 <Fraz> i havnt used linux for about 5 years and back then i didnt use it much
Jan 08 16:31:25 <ArmitaageDS> It could be, syzygy. I would try faking the user agent via the WebView, see if it works then
Jan 08 16:31:45 <Napalm> Fraz: this looks like a complete guide for you: https://androidonlinux.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/setting-up-adb-on-linux/
Jan 08 16:31:49 <Fraz> ok, asustek computer Inc shows
Jan 08 16:32:32 <Syzygy> ArmitaageDS, got any resources for me that show me how to do that?
Jan 08 16:32:33 <Fraz> do i even need adb? i just wanted to see if the authorization dialog would pop up
Jan 08 16:32:42 <Fraz> since i wont be using linux for dev
Jan 08 16:32:51 <Napalm> Fraz: it will only pop up when you run adb
Jan 08 16:32:57 <Fraz> oh ok
Jan 08 16:33:32 <ArmitaageDS> Give me a minute to look up a few, syzygy
Jan 08 16:34:20 <Napalm> Fraz: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html scroll down on this page and you'll find "SDK tools only"
Jan 08 16:34:39 <Napalm> Fraz: grab the linux one and your ready to go, extract it and browse to the folder in a terminal
Jan 08 16:34:47 <ArmitaageDS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5586197/android-user-agent
Jan 08 16:34:53 <Napalm> Fraz: do; ./adb devices
Jan 08 16:35:12 <Napalm> Fraz: the command starts with ./ for current directory
Jan 08 16:35:12 <ArmitaageDS> That's how you can set the WebView user agent
Jan 08 16:36:03 <ArmitaageDS> http://whatsmyuseragent.com
Jan 08 16:36:07 <Syzygy> now I just need to figure out what I need to set it to. alright, I think I'll manage from here. thanks a lot
Jan 08 16:36:14 <Syzygy> thanks :>
Jan 08 16:36:16 <Fraz> ok, change directory is cd in linux, right?
Jan 08 16:36:34 <Napalm> Fraz: yup, same as windows and osx
Jan 08 16:36:59 <ArmitaageDS> Welcome, syzygy. Hopefully this will be enough to get the site to display correctly
Jan 08 16:37:18 <Syzygy> ArmitaageDS, so should I just claim that every phone accessing the website has my user agent? or try to build a more legit one?
Jan 08 16:39:17 <ArmitaageDS> You can try to build a more legit one, but setting every phone to use your user agent isn't entirely wrong. Many apps have the same user agent, regardless of what os they're actually installed on, for one reason or another
Jan 08 16:39:54 <Fraz> Napalm this is a live boot btw, is it ok to install stuff?
Jan 08 16:39:59 <Fraz> its saying adb isnt installed
Jan 08 16:40:30 <Napalm> Fraz: yes its ok to install its all running from RAM, but you dont need to and you cant install ADB anyway
Jan 08 16:40:39 <Napalm> Fraz: your in the wrong directoy
Jan 08 16:40:43 <Fraz> and when i try to install it says E: Unable to locate package android-tools-adb
Jan 08 16:40:56 <Napalm> Fraz: dont try and install anything
Jan 08 16:41:09 <Napalm> Fraz: did you download the sdk file as I said earlier?
Jan 08 16:41:10 <Fraz> im in android-sdk-linux/tools
Jan 08 16:41:14 <Fraz> yeh
Jan 08 16:41:24 <Napalm> and then extracted it and cd' to the directory
Jan 08 16:41:44 <Fraz> yup
Jan 08 16:42:39 <Napalm> right, now cd into the platform-tools directory
Jan 08 16:42:57 <Napalm> then run: ls -l
Jan 08 16:43:10 <Napalm> now you'll see the list of files for that directory.. you should see adb listed
Jan 08 16:43:18 <Napalm> you can then type: ./adb devices
Jan 08 16:43:22 <Fraz> there is no platform-tools
Jan 08 16:43:24 <Fraz> just platforms
Jan 08 16:43:26 <Fraz> and tools
Jan 08 16:43:33 <Fraz> im in the tools directory atm
Jan 08 16:43:39 <Napalm> Fraz: run the sdk manager
Jan 08 16:43:46 <Fraz> the platforms directory is empty
Jan 08 16:43:54 <Napalm> go into tools
Jan 08 16:43:55 <Napalm> and type android
Jan 08 16:44:14 <Fraz> command not found
Jan 08 16:44:17 <Syzygy> ArmitaageDS, I tried both the useragent from that site, as well as System.getProperty("http.agent"), nothing seems to work
Jan 08 16:44:19 <Napalm> omg
Jan 08 16:44:25 <Napalm> Fraz: ./android
Jan 08 16:44:33 <Fraz> lol
Jan 08 16:44:43 <Fraz> bleh
Jan 08 16:44:45 <Fraz> java not found
Jan 08 16:44:46 <Napalm> Fraz: we are running programs in the sdk, remember
Jan 08 16:44:56 <Napalm> and again you didnt follow the instructions
Jan 08 16:45:11 <Napalm> Fraz: type this: sudo apt-get install openjdk
Jan 08 16:45:36 <Fraz> already tried that, said earlier
Jan 08 16:45:49 <Fraz> E: Unable to locate package openjdk
Jan 08 16:46:07 <Napalm> Fraz: what distro is this live cd?
Jan 08 16:46:09 <ArmitaageDS> Syzygy, what website are you trying to display? And does it appear the same in the system browser and chrome browser?
Jan 08 16:46:12 <Fraz> ubuntu
Jan 08 16:46:22 <Napalm> Fraz: do you have internet?
Jan 08 16:46:44 <Fraz> erm yeh, im chatting to you from the installation
Jan 08 16:46:49 <Napalm> Fraz: if so, do: sudo apt-get update
Jan 08 16:47:13 <Fraz> ok that did stuff
Jan 08 16:47:47 <Napalm> now try the previous command to install openjdk (press the up key a few times to find it)
Jan 08 16:48:07 <Fraz> still the same
Jan 08 16:48:14 <Fraz> unable to locate package openjdk
Jan 08 16:48:47 <Napalm> Fraz: do: sudo apt-cache search openjdk
Jan 08 16:49:03 <Syzygy> ArmitaageDS, a support page of the company I work at, and with lolipop I think chrome is the system browser?
Jan 08 16:49:21 <Napalm> Fraz: even better do: sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
Jan 08 16:49:26 <Napalm> that should be easier
Jan 08 16:49:48 <Napalm> Fraz: or do: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
Jan 08 16:50:10 <Fraz> lol
Jan 08 16:50:12 <Fraz> E: Unable to locate package oracle-java7-installer
Jan 08 16:50:20 <Napalm> and the other?
Jan 08 16:50:56 <Fraz> ok thats working
Jan 08 16:51:36 <Fraz> done
Jan 08 16:51:38 <Napalm> after do: java -version
Jan 08 16:51:46 <Napalm> what do you get?
Jan 08 16:52:14 <Fraz> 1.7.0_65
Jan 08 16:52:23 <Napalm> good
Jan 08 16:52:32 <Napalm> now type: ./android update adb
Jan 08 16:53:15 <Napalm> Fraz: working? doing anything?
Jan 08 16:53:25 <Fraz> yeh says i need to restart the server now
Jan 08 16:54:00 <Fraz> and the commands arnt working
Jan 08 16:54:04 <Napalm> they are
Jan 08 16:54:09 <Napalm> your in the wrong directory
Jan 08 16:54:10 <Fraz> im still in the tools directory
Jan 08 16:54:16 <Napalm> go into platform-tools
Jan 08 16:54:22 <Napalm> cd ../platform-tools
Jan 08 16:54:29 <Fraz> there isnt a platform-tools directory
Jan 08 16:54:39 <Fraz> just add-ons, platforms and tools
Jan 08 16:54:43 <Napalm> ok go back into tools and type: ./android
Jan 08 16:54:47 <Fraz> platforms is empty
Jan 08 16:54:48 <bynarie> if u want to install oracle java you need to add the ppa: webup8team/java
Jan 08 16:54:52 <Napalm> it should launch the sdk manager
Jan 08 16:54:59 <Fraz> yeh it has
Jan 08 16:55:29 <Napalm> untick all of them and make sure only the latest platform tools and build tools are selected
Jan 08 16:55:29 <Fraz> install platforms tools now i guess
Jan 08 16:55:38 <Napalm> install em
Jan 08 16:55:53 <Napalm> now, follow this and pay attention as i said before https://androidonlinux.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/setting-up-adb-on-linux/
Jan 08 16:55:56 <Napalm> brb
Jan 08 16:56:38 <Fraz> i was paying attention:)
Jan 08 16:56:53 <Fraz> it assumed you already have jdk installed and doesnt tell you what to do if it isnt
Jan 08 16:57:01 <Napalm> yes it does
Jan 08 16:58:09 <Napalm> brb
Jan 08 16:58:18 <Fraz> "Chances are you already have OpenJDK installed, if you do, then run this command in the Terminal."
Jan 08 16:58:28 <Fraz> which didnt work
Jan 08 16:58:50 <Fraz> then it gives some instructions for "Linux Mint Users!"
Jan 08 16:58:52 <bynarie> Fraz, are u still dealing with that same problem?
Jan 08 16:58:55 <Fraz> am i a mint user?
Jan 08 16:59:00 <bynarie> linux mint = ubuntu
Jan 08 16:59:03 <Fraz> bynarie, yeah
Jan 08 16:59:05 <bynarie> same thing
Jan 08 16:59:09 <Fraz> ohhhh ok i didnt know that
Jan 08 16:59:17 <Fraz> i thought mint was some other distribution:P
Jan 08 16:59:18 <Fraz> sorry
Jan 08 16:59:22 <bynarie> it is
Jan 08 16:59:25 <bynarie> but its basically the same
Jan 08 16:59:31 <AndreYonadam> Question. Can I assume that my view will get the one touch even after the activity?
Jan 08 16:59:40 <AndreYonadam> *on touch
Jan 08 16:59:44 <bynarie> are u only trying to install fastboot and adb??
Jan 08 16:59:45 <AndreYonadam> *event
Jan 08 17:00:03 <Fraz> napalm is talking me through installing adb
Jan 08 17:00:07 <bynarie> u can just do sudo apt-get install android-tools-fastboot android-tools-adb
Jan 08 17:00:16 <bynarie> u dont need go install the entire sdk
Jan 08 17:00:34 <bynarie> u dont need java
Jan 08 17:00:48 <bynarie> just run that one command and you will have ADB and fastboot
Jan 08 17:00:56 <Fraz> i think its all done now anyway bynarie
Jan 08 17:01:21 <bynarie> ok, well next time ull know... unless you are planning on doing programming theres no reason to install the entire SDK
Jan 08 17:01:33 <bynarie> especially when you only need fastboot and adb
Jan 08 17:02:53 <Fraz> well im in the platform-tools directory now and its saying The program 'adb' is currently not installed
Jan 08 17:03:32 <bynarie> Fraz, just run the sudo apt-get install android-tools-fastboot android-tools-adb
Jan 08 17:03:45 <bynarie> simple as that
Jan 08 17:03:52 <Fraz> E: Unable to locate package android-tools-fastboot
Jan 08 17:03:52 <Fraz> E: Unable to locate package android-tools-adb
Jan 08 17:03:56 <bynarie> woah
Jan 08 17:04:02 <bynarie> what distro are you on?>
Jan 08 17:04:09 <Fraz> ubuntu
Jan 08 17:04:22 <bynarie> live usb?
Jan 08 17:04:25 <bynarie> or installed?
Jan 08 17:04:28 <Fraz> live usb
Jan 08 17:05:14 <bynarie> Fraz, run sudo apt-get update
Jan 08 17:05:18 <bynarie> then try it again
Jan 08 17:06:08 <bynarie> and what version of ubuntu are you on? 14.04?
Jan 08 17:06:53 <Fraz> if thats the latest, yes
Jan 08 17:07:32 <bynarie> try sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8    then sudo apt-get update
Jan 08 17:07:45 <bynarie> then try to install again
Jan 08 17:08:17 <Fraz> its still doing stuff from the previous command, looks to be stuck though
Jan 08 17:08:39 <bynarie> its still running the update command?
Jan 08 17:08:45 <Fraz> 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]
Jan 08 17:08:45 <Fraz> yeh
Jan 08 17:09:39 <bynarie> are u connected to the internet?
Jan 08 17:10:04 <Fraz> yes
Jan 08 17:10:17 <trevor-e> anyone here use AutoParcel?
Jan 08 17:10:25 <trevor-e> trying to convince my team to use it
Jan 08 17:10:30 <Fraz> just got a load of 404s and Error writing to output file - write (28: No space left on device)
Jan 08 17:10:37 <Fraz> bah
Jan 08 17:10:56 <bynarie> well i dunno.... ive always installed linux directly to HDD
Jan 08 17:11:12 <Fraz> is this installing to the usb or just to ram?
Jan 08 17:11:14 <bynarie> u can join #ubuntu and see if someone can help you
Jan 08 17:11:21 <Fraz> the usb drive is 14gig
Jan 08 17:11:48 <bynarie> depends... if you set a persistant storage file then its storing on the usb
Jan 08 17:12:49 <bynarie> Fraz, open up the ubuntu software center and search "android-tools"
Jan 08 17:12:49 <bynarie> see if you can install from there
Jan 08 17:13:39 <Fraz> android ect4 utilities with sparse support?
Jan 08 17:13:46 <Fraz> ext4*
Jan 08 17:14:08 <bynarie> no
Jan 08 17:14:26 <bynarie> android fastboot procol
Jan 08 17:14:29 <Fraz> thats all that shows
Jan 08 17:14:44 <bynarie> ok.. u must not have any repos then
Jan 08 17:15:00 <bynarie> ok.. u must not have any repos then
Jan 08 17:15:00 <bynarie> goto synaptic
Jan 08 17:15:00 <bynarie> add the universe repo
Jan 08 17:16:09 <Fraz> doesnt look like i have synaptic
Jan 08 17:16:38 <Fraz> and theres no install button for it in the software center
Jan 08 17:17:16 <bynarie> ok.. find out which version of ubuntu u have specifically.. is it trusty or utopic.. or 14.04  or 14.10
Jan 08 17:18:46 <Fraz> 14.04
Jan 08 17:18:50 <bynarie> ok
Jan 08 17:18:52 <bynarie> do this
Jan 08 17:18:54 <bynarie> goto term
Jan 08 17:19:07 <bynarie> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty universe multiverse"
Jan 08 17:19:21 <bynarie> then sudo apt-get update
Jan 08 17:19:42 <bynarie> then try the sudo apt-get install android-tools-fastboot
Jan 08 17:20:26 <Fraz> theres nothing at all happening now with any of those commands
Jan 08 17:20:47 <bynarie> man then theres something wrong with ur ubuntu
Jan 08 17:20:57 <bynarie> none of this makes any sense
Jan 08 17:21:10 <Fraz> maybe cos disk is full now?
Jan 08 17:21:40 <bynarie> prolly
Jan 08 17:21:51 <bynarie> yea if ur disk is full that will mess everything up
Jan 08 17:21:54 <Fraz> can i install ubuntu without formatting the drive i install it on?
Jan 08 17:22:09 <bynarie> well u can but u need to make a partition for it
Jan 08 17:22:22 <Fraz> ahh screw it
Jan 08 17:22:27 <Fraz> theres only movies on that drive
Jan 08 17:22:49 <Fraz> ill go and install it and come back
Jan 08 17:22:53 <Fraz> back in a few
Jan 08 17:22:54 <bynarie> you would be much better off installing it
Jan 08 17:22:55 <bynarie> ok
Jan 08 17:22:57 <bynarie> k
Jan 08 17:23:02 <bynarie> use ext4
Jan 08 17:23:03 <Fraz> cheers for the help
Jan 08 17:23:08 <bynarie> for partition type
Jan 08 17:23:10 <Fraz> ok
Jan 08 17:23:15 <bynarie> or do auto partition
Jan 08 17:23:17 <bynarie> good luck!
Jan 08 17:23:28 <Fraz> :|
Jan 08 17:36:11 <fancy42> are there other ways to make an app freeze except for blocking/stalling the UI thread somehow?
Jan 08 17:37:25 <Odaym> *make* an app freeze?
Jan 08 17:40:14 <ArmitaageDS> Can't think of another way, fancy42. You can make it crash with an unhandled exception, but not freeze.
Jan 08 17:40:40 <fancy42> my app freezes sometimes. i'm struggling with reproducing it. i can't figure out what would take so long on the main thread
Jan 08 17:40:50 <Odaym> look at the logcat
Jan 08 17:41:27 <ArmitaageDS> Are you searching for files? If so, move that to an asynctask
Jan 08 17:41:36 <Odaym> if you are able to reproduce it even without looking at what went wrong, will you go about the code looking for lines that are similar to the lines that reproduced it?
Jan 08 17:41:57 <fancy42> i can sometimes make the app stutter, so i know *when* it happens, but the real crashes only happen 'in the field' and not in front of the computer..
Jan 08 17:42:09 <Odaym> use Crashlytics
Jan 08 17:42:42 <Odaym> you set it up and it reports the crashes/ANRs/etc to a website where you can read them
Jan 08 17:42:51 <fancy42> what do you mean by looking at logical? can i somehow only log stuff from a specific thread?
Jan 08 17:42:59 <Odaym> wat
Jan 08 17:43:10 <Odaym> good luck man
Jan 08 17:43:26 <fancy42> thanks :D
Jan 08 17:43:49 <fancy42> ArmitaageDS, searching for files? you mean accessing files or doing an actual search?
Jan 08 17:44:40 <ArmitaageDS> If accessing the file requires the app to search for it, it can take a while
Jan 08 17:45:04 <fancy42> Odaym, btw. 'going about the code and looking for lines..' is what i'm doing right now, but i must have a blind spot :/
Jan 08 17:45:27 <Odaym> you're debugging wrong
Jan 08 17:45:42 <Odaym> find out how to get informed about what's going on, it's not black magic
Jan 08 17:46:16 <Odaym> look at LogCat, not "logical"
Jan 08 17:46:34 <ArmitaageDS> File operations are the one thing besides network operations that can take a while and unintentionally block the ui thread
Jan 08 17:46:37 <Odaym> you dont just sit there and stare at the code
Jan 08 17:46:43 <Alina-malina> i need some advice, what tools i should use to make application of website(the website is directory) i am looking to the side of jquery mobile and phonegap?
Jan 08 17:47:00 <Odaym> use Titanium
Jan 08 17:47:23 <Odaym> good platform, large community, fast, established, really easy
Jan 08 17:47:59 <Odaym> very good documentation too
Jan 08 17:48:19 <Alina-malina> titanium?
Jan 08 17:48:20 <Alina-malina> hmm
Jan 08 17:48:24 <Alina-malina> first time yearding about that
Jan 08 17:48:29 <Alina-malina> headring*
Jan 08 17:48:30 <Odaym> they're making their own JS compiler now too
Jan 08 17:48:34 <Alina-malina> hmm
Jan 08 17:48:46 <Odaym> used it at company for 9 months
Jan 08 17:48:49 <Alina-malina> so eclipse app would be working faster?
Jan 08 17:48:59 <Odaym> there's no such thing as an eclipse app
Jan 08 17:49:03 <Alina-malina> it is just not that "webdeveloper friendly"
Jan 08 17:49:14 <Alina-malina> well
Jan 08 17:49:20 <Alina-malina> i mean android app using java and eclipse
Jan 08 17:49:24 <Odaym> ah
Jan 08 17:49:31 <ArmitaageDS> Of course, doing file operations asynchronously creates other issues that you need to handle in the code.
Jan 08 17:49:37 <Odaym> well you dont write android, you write javascript that uses their classes, its really very easy
Jan 08 17:50:10 <Alina-malina> eh i cant get orientated what to use, but i have a large community forum and i need to make app for it, so people could use it on android devices :-/
Jan 08 17:50:15 <Odaym> like var imageView = ImageView { center: true, align: top, width: 20px }...
Jan 08 17:50:40 <ArmitaageDS> Having a "loading" layout is helpful, if anything in the main layout depends on information from a file
Jan 08 17:54:15 <shmoon_> can contentobserver be used with sqlite database ? I know how to use it with cursorprovider, but what about other types of data sources?
Jan 08 17:54:47 <Odaym> damn, two things I have no idea about in 1 sentence!
Jan 08 17:55:23 <shmoon_> me?
Jan 08 17:55:27 <Odaym> yea
Jan 08 17:56:40 <AndreYonadam> Can I be sure that if I call a onTouchListener from activity that it would run before I run an onTouchListener from the view's class itself? I have two onTouchListener's here but I want to be sure one runs before the other.
Jan 08 17:56:54 <shmoon_> ah lol
Jan 08 17:57:04 <shmoon_> I'm also a beginner, learnt these recently - so dont worry :)
Jan 08 17:58:03 <noncom> hi! i am developing a game that should run both on PC and Android. I am using the EventBus library https://github.com/greenrobot/EventBus, however on desktop it does not allow to use the lib since it refers to some android-specific stuff
Jan 08 17:58:16 <noncom> how do i use that event library on both PC and Android ?
Jan 08 17:58:32 <noncom> i am pretty sure this one library is well-known for its specifics and someone must know something..
Jan 08 17:58:58 <danijoo> its an android-only lib
Jan 08 17:59:45 <noncom> duh :(
Jan 08 18:00:04 <noncom> could you advice any similar lib that would work for cross-platform?
Jan 08 18:00:43 <AndreYonadam> After doing some test I found out that they run simultaneously
Jan 08 18:01:41 <danijoo> i doont think there is one
Jan 08 18:03:23 <ac_slater_> hey guys, gradle question. I need to run a 'commandLine' call to build some JNI stuff. This works. However, i need gradle to export some env vars first. I understand that everything is a subshell so how does one go about this?
Jan 08 18:04:56 <ac_slater_> oh appending the var to my command line worked ... like `commandLine "VAR=" + varValue, "bash", blah`
Jan 08 18:05:18 <ac_slater_> damn, spoke too soon, that didnt really work
Jan 08 18:06:15 <ac_slater_> I didnt realized there is a map for env vars.
Jan 08 18:10:30 <DammitJim> is there a way to get tx bytes sent by app over the cell network?
Jan 08 18:11:00 <Fraz> righto
Jan 08 18:11:49 <DammitJim> TrafficStats seems to only give you tx bytes by app over all network interfaces (doesn't differentiate between cell or wifi)
Jan 08 18:14:03 <Gryd3`Shop> Hey guys. Hoping someone knows off hand if something in particular can be done with the Android API (without root access)
Jan 08 18:14:31 <Gryd3`Shop> I'd like to build an app to auto-configure a SIP account for internet calling. Possible?
Jan 08 18:18:51 <noncom> danijoo: well, maybe there is a preferable java-only framework that works best on android? i do not really need to interop with the android OS
Jan 08 18:19:03 <noncom> all the messaging happens inside a single-threaded open-gl game
Jan 08 18:19:21 <danijoo> noncom, no. there arent
Jan 08 18:19:32 <danijoo> or at least not that i know
Jan 08 18:19:58 <noncom> oh well..
Jan 08 18:20:33 <Odaym> so much for that feature!
Jan 08 18:20:34 <Odaym> :P
Jan 08 18:23:50 <trevor-e> anyone here use AutoValue or AutoParcel?
Jan 08 18:24:21 <trevor-e> parcelables are becoming way too big of a pain to manage
Jan 08 18:25:02 <Odaym> what's that
Jan 08 18:25:12 <s73v3r> We use AutoParcel. It’s awesome.
Jan 08 18:25:20 <s73v3r> It’s the only sane way to do Parcelable
Jan 08 18:25:27 <trevor-e> https://github.com/frankiesardo/auto-parcel
Jan 08 18:25:37 <trevor-e> I'm trying to convince my team to use it
Jan 08 18:26:02 <trevor-e> because write now I'm having to write tests just to ensure something parcels/unparcels correctly
Jan 08 18:26:03 <s73v3r> tell them either you use it, or they can spend all of their time writing the Parcel code.
Jan 08 18:26:14 <trevor-e> so that means I'm maintaining equals, hashcode, and parcelable
Jan 08 18:26:29 <trevor-e> it's not clunky using auto-parcel in practice?
Jan 08 18:26:33 <trevor-e> with the create() method stuff?
Jan 08 18:26:38 <s73v3r> And I mean THEM. You won’t write a line of it. If they want something to be parcelable, they can spend the time
Jan 08 18:26:45 <s73v3r> Nope
Jan 08 18:26:59 <s73v3r> Well, it’s far less clunky than writing the parcelable stuff
Jan 08 18:27:04 <trevor-e> yea
Jan 08 18:27:11 <s73v3r> You do Parcels.wrap() and Parcels.unwrap()
Jan 08 18:31:29 <noncom> does googles guava ver18.0 work on android ?
Jan 08 18:31:44 <noncom> its only dep is  javax.annotation
Jan 08 18:31:47 <noncom> will it work?
Jan 08 18:31:47 <Fraz> ok, im installing android studio in linux now
Jan 08 18:34:59 <danijoo> noncom, for a bus on android, you basically have only 2 options
Jan 08 18:35:02 <danijoo> otto and EventBus
Jan 08 18:35:16 <danijoo> i think both are android-only
Jan 08 18:36:08 <Mavrik> noncom, yes, guava works fine on Android
Jan 08 18:36:17 <danijoo> oh ok
Jan 08 18:37:29 <g00s> hm, so whats going on here. lollipop addoption is slower than kitkat (0.1% vs 1.1% after first month)
Jan 08 18:38:06 <danijoo> g00s, meanwhile, every company says they will update faster then ever :D
Jan 08 18:38:55 <AndreYonadam> They spent a lot of money on advertising for KitKat
Jan 08 18:39:58 <danijoo> also i think it was a lot of easier for companies to do updates from 4.3 to 4.4 than 4.4 to 5.0
Jan 08 18:40:05 <danijoo> because theres not that much that changed
Jan 08 18:40:31 <ac_slater_> sigh apparently you cant include arbitrary makefiles in Android.mk ... what the fuck
Jan 08 18:40:58 <danijoo> some might also wait for 5.0.3 being release
Jan 08 18:52:12 <fanno> hello everyone, i need to convert 2015-01-08T18:04:00Z in to a timestamp. (int) value, how do i do that (i can google it, i just need to know what to search. i am drawing a blamk at the moment)
Jan 08 18:52:42 <fanno> *blank
Jan 08 18:53:30 <Odaym> .split('T')
Jan 08 18:53:31 <Odaym> :P
Jan 08 18:54:55 <bynarie> Fraz, did u get it installed
Jan 08 18:57:01 <danijoo> fanno, look for a class called SimpleDateFormat
Jan 08 18:57:20 <fanno> danijoo: thanks will do
Jan 08 19:02:56 <jobelenus> hey, i have a question around performing downloads in a service and then pausing those downloads...i don't want to end/cancel the service because it needs to keep track of the download progress.... what would be the best way to pull that off? (still trying to wrap my head around services)
Jan 08 19:06:34 <danijoo> jobelenus, you could set a variable to false and let the service check that from time to time
Jan 08 19:06:41 <dragorn> jobelenus: you could just bind your service and tell it to pause
Jan 08 19:06:52 <dragorn> jobelenus: i'd consider writing the download status to your shared prefs if you have a resume function
Jan 08 19:07:20 <dragorn> jobelenus: you'd have to write somethign that can make a new http connection and resume the download to take advantage of it, but that way if your users reboot or the service gets OOMd you can recover
Jan 08 19:08:00 <jobelenus> dragorn: hrmm i guess what im missing (from my understanding) is how references and parameters get passed/bound from the service instance itself and the caller...
Jan 08 19:08:42 <dragorn> jobelenus: if you're all one pid (which you are unless you've gone out of the way to change it), you can either make passthrough functions in your binder which call the service, or you can pass the service directly and call it
Jan 08 19:09:01 <jobelenus> well i am going to want this to be out of the UIThread..
Jan 08 19:09:41 <jobelenus> (im sad there isnt a library that will do this heavy/complicated lift... )
Jan 08 19:10:59 <jobelenus> dragorn: do you have a good example i can look at?
Jan 08 19:11:08 <jobelenus> have/know of
Jan 08 19:11:21 <dragorn> there's a number of service examples on developer.android.com; that's probably a good place to start
Jan 08 19:11:37 <dragorn> you're doing a single process service, so you don't have to worry about the AIDL stuff for calling service functions
Jan 08 19:12:07 <jobelenus> am i doing single process? im going to have multiple instances of the service running around (1 per file, N files)
Jan 08 19:13:51 <jobelenus> http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html the IntentService is what I'm looking at... from what ive gathered so far, the Intent (somehow) can hold arguments that the service can grab? but no example of how to tell the process that started the service "progress" vs "done", or tell the service "pause" v "resume"
Jan 08 19:14:52 <jobelenus> does IBinder (somehow) let the caller call arbitrary methods on the service? (e.g. pause, resume)
Jan 08 19:24:12 <noncom> M
Jan 08 19:24:46 <jobelenus> dragorn: actually this looks a lot like what i want: https://thenewcircle.com/s/post/1340/Deep_Dive_Into_Binder_Presentation.htm#slide-8 though it doesnt have any further communication (pause, resume) to the service
Jan 08 19:25:30 <dragorn> jobelenus: there is no pause/resume in a service
Jan 08 19:25:36 <dragorn> jobelenus: you can write pause/resume in your download code
Jan 08 19:25:41 <jobelenus> right...
Jan 08 19:25:51 <jobelenus> but how does the client talk to the service to say "run this method"
Jan 08 19:26:23 <dragorn> jobelenus: via the messenger it passes
Jan 08 19:28:32 <jobelenus> thats what i cant see yet... it seems the client has zero knowledge of the services running (e.g. super.startService(intent); )
Jan 08 19:28:37 <jobelenus> no instance of a service sitting around..
Jan 08 19:28:45 <jobelenus> the messenger is inside the intent
Jan 08 19:29:52 <jobelenus> and the Messenger.send is for the service to send parcels back to the clients handler
Jan 08 19:29:54 <niftynei> anyone have any experience with bluetooth connections?  an app i inherited is throwing socket errors and i'm not sure where to look to fix them
Jan 08 19:30:07 <jobelenus> how does the client send info to an already instantiated/running service?
Jan 08 19:30:26 <bitkiller> niftynei, tell more
Jan 08 19:30:28 <niftynei> the client and server seem to be connecting ok, but they're both throwing this on read. https://gist.github.com/niftynei/089591caccf53049bcd6
Jan 08 19:30:43 <shmoon_> I read loaders work on application context, what does that mean?
Jan 08 19:31:17 <niftynei> it says the socket's closed, but the data gets through somehow
Jan 08 19:33:30 <bitkiller> niftynei, could you show us the code? what's the android version?
Jan 08 19:33:57 <dragorn> niftynei: http://kismetwireless.net/gitweb/?p=kisbee.git;a=tree;f=android/Kisbee/src/net/kismetwireless/android/kisbee;h=712dd85e330e7c2833a29232ea33251c9b0d1456;hb=HEAD is an older proect of mine that does SPP over BT
Jan 08 19:34:08 <dragorn> niftynei: all the BT code should be in the KisbeeService file
Jan 08 19:34:24 <dragorn> niftynei: it's old and unmaintained (a few years old at this point, written for android 2) but it might be of use
Jan 08 19:35:51 <bynarie> Fraz,
Jan 08 19:37:32 <jobelenus> dragorn: ahhhh i think i see it now.. the BroadcastReceiver
Jan 08 19:37:40 <niftynei> sdk version 18
Jan 08 19:39:03 <trevor-e> oh man, bluetooth is fun
Jan 08 19:39:03 <bitkiller> same as the target?
Jan 08 19:39:22 <niftynei> unfortunately it's not something i can really show off.
Jan 08 19:39:38 <niftynei> tho i'm wondering if it has something to do with the server also looking for BLE connections
Jan 08 19:39:55 <niftynei> yah, the bluetooth code's in a lib that's target 18 / compile 18
Jan 08 19:40:16 <niftynei> the client it's rolled into targets 21/compiles 21
Jan 08 19:40:37 <niftynei> i get the same error on phones running 21 and 18
Jan 08 19:40:40 <g00s> trevor-e using BLE or rdcomm ?
Jan 08 19:40:57 <niftynei> the client code's all rdcomm
Jan 08 19:41:08 <Mavrik> with "fun" meaning "oh god shoot me now"
Jan 08 19:41:30 <jobelenus> ^
Jan 08 19:41:33 <niftynei> the server's scanning both BLE and rdcomm, which i'm starting to think may be the issue
Jan 08 19:41:39 <niftynei> lol
Jan 08 19:41:50 <pfn> I need interesting bluetooth devices to dicker with
Jan 08 19:42:10 <Mavrik> buy something on DealExtreme, fun for whole family >D
Jan 08 19:42:34 * niftynei spins chamber, puts pistol to temple
Jan 08 19:42:35 <trevor-e> g00s last time I dealt with bluetooth was for gingerbread so don't think it was LE
Jan 08 19:42:46 <niftynei> any suggestions on debugging bluetooth stuff would be super helpful
Jan 08 19:43:21 <niftynei> like wtf should i even be looking for?
Jan 08 19:43:24 <bitkiller> i would start with BluetoothChat demo and change it for my needs.
Jan 08 19:43:34 <g00s> heheyeah, thats one way
Jan 08 19:44:34 <pfn> I need a nice thermostat at home... although it's been locked to 75F lately
Jan 08 19:44:44 <bitkiller> i have an internal lib (in fact a Service class) i intend to open source it, but it's not ready yet
Jan 08 19:44:51 <niftynei> bitkiller yah cool, i've been using that as a reference
Jan 08 19:44:59 <niftynei> it's a bit outdated, no?
Jan 08 19:45:16 <g00s> niftynei is the socket blowing up on connection, or sometime after that ?
Jan 08 19:45:45 <niftynei> i'm not sure. it's gotta be after connection because the data seems to get through ok
Jan 08 19:46:12 <g00s> well , then probably one or both devices are dropping the connection :|
Jan 08 19:46:48 <g00s> pfn the TI SensorTag is fun to play around with
Jan 08 19:47:04 <g00s> even more fun: making your own :)
Jan 08 19:47:29 <niftynei> g00s: ok cool, that's something to work with.
Jan 08 19:47:31 <regreddit> is there any reason two autocomplete fields can
Jan 08 19:47:39 <regreddit> 't  share an adapter?
Jan 08 19:48:03 <niftynei> thanks
Jan 08 19:54:31 <Fraz> ok this is fucking crazy
Jan 08 19:55:48 <bynarie> Fraz, what now
Jan 08 19:58:02 <Mattx> I couldn't fix it yet. YoutubePlayer is not playing any video. it seems it's always covered by something
Jan 08 19:58:21 <Mattx> the size is MATHC_PARENT x WRAP_CONTENT
Jan 08 19:58:43 <Mattx> I tried with a specific dimension like 400x200 but it doesn't work anyway
Jan 08 19:58:51 <Mattx> what else can it be?
Jan 08 19:59:53 <bynarie> the operator!
Jan 08 20:00:03 <bynarie> =]
Jan 08 20:00:17 <Fraz> 2 devices, using win 8.1 and linux, 3 different cabled, revoked permissions, restarted adb many times and I STILL CANT GET A GODDAMH AUTHORIZATION PROMPT
Jan 08 20:00:21 <Fraz> how the hell is this possible
Jan 08 20:00:43 <bynarie> did u get fastboot/adb installed on buntu
Jan 08 20:00:48 <bynarie> it has to be the dam device
Jan 08 20:01:01 <Fraz> ive got adb installed
Jan 08 20:01:04 <Fraz> not sure baout fastboot
Jan 08 20:01:08 <bynarie> ok
Jan 08 20:01:14 <Fraz> its 2 devices though
Jan 08 20:01:24 <Fraz> the asus in linux is always showing as offline
Jan 08 20:01:33 <Fraz> the lenovo shows as ??????????????? no permissions
Jan 08 20:01:40 <bynarie> well thats crazy
Jan 08 20:01:42 <Fraz> the desire hd doesnt show at all
Jan 08 20:01:43 <bynarie> did you lsusb
Jan 08 20:01:54 <Fraz> no im not sure what im meant to do with that
Jan 08 20:02:08 <bynarie> terminal "lsusb"
Jan 08 20:02:17 <Fraz> oh yeh i did that
Jan 08 20:02:19 <bynarie> paste it on pastebin.co,
Jan 08 20:02:31 <bynarie> com
Jan 08 20:02:50 <Tapani> why is my game's product page visible world wide when i only distributed it in australia? anyone experienced with this stuff?
Jan 08 20:03:10 <Fraz> http://pastebin.com/0mm8trTW
Jan 08 20:03:18 <Fraz> thats obviously with the lenovo connected
Jan 08 20:03:38 <bynarie> ok thats good
Jan 08 20:04:04 <Fraz> http://pastebin.com/MPn8X6tm
Jan 08 20:04:05 <Fraz> asus
Jan 08 20:04:14 <regreddit> Fraz, did you add the USB IDs to udev?
Jan 08 20:04:26 <Fraz> no?
Jan 08 20:04:34 <regreddit> im assuming ubuntu still uses udev
Jan 08 20:04:37 <bynarie> u shouldnt have to do all that crap
Jan 08 20:04:39 <bynarie> not anymore
Jan 08 20:04:44 <regreddit> oh ok
Jan 08 20:04:48 <bynarie> mines automatic
Jan 08 20:04:54 <regreddit> really?
Jan 08 20:04:58 <bynarie> but i was just going to suggest that
Jan 08 20:05:13 <bynarie> yea
Jan 08 20:05:18 <bynarie> maybe it will help
Jan 08 20:05:27 <Fraz> how do i do this?
Jan 08 20:05:28 <regreddit> Fraz, do lsusb, get the mfr id and device id
Jan 08 20:05:44 <bynarie> ls -l /dev/bus/usb/002/017 - Fraz
Jan 08 20:06:33 <regreddit> and do this: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
Jan 08 20:06:51 <regreddit> do you have a file in that dir named NN-Android.rules?
Jan 08 20:06:55 <regreddit> where NN is a number
Jan 08 20:07:13 <regreddit> or something 'android-y' looking?
Jan 08 20:07:21 <bynarie> its 51
Jan 08 20:07:22 <Fraz> just lists a README
Jan 08 20:07:29 <bynarie> Fraz,
Jan 08 20:07:31 <bynarie> PM me
Jan 08 20:07:37 <Fraz> ok
Jan 08 20:09:23 <matt_j> I have a question: How can I tell if I should create a summary notification to start a notification group, if I don't know if a summary notification is already on the device?
Jan 08 20:10:27 <matt_j> if I just use setGroup on a notification, it doesn't appear because I guess a summary doesn't exist
Jan 08 20:17:01 <Dudytz> hi all .. I need an invitation to the Google Inbox android application? Does anyone of you use the app to send me an invitation?
Jan 08 20:20:04 <bynarie> Dudytz, i do
Jan 08 20:20:09 <bynarie> give me ur email via PM
Jan 08 20:21:44 <groxx> matt_j: afaik the only 'real' way to handle that is to record what notifications you show + what notifications they dismiss.  at some point I'd love to make a wrapper-thing to do that for me, but I haven't / don't know of any.
Jan 08 20:22:07 <matt_j> damn. Seems to defeat the point of "groups" if you have to do the work manually
Jan 08 20:22:21 <matt_j> is there any way to query what notifications are currently displayed?
Jan 08 20:22:57 <groxx> matt_j: without having notification-reading permissions, not that I know of.  possibly there's something new in 4.4+ that I haven't noticed though.
Jan 08 20:23:23 <groxx> matt_j: also a possibility: if you set multiple notifications with the same group key but different summaries, does it / should it display just the most recent summary?
Jan 08 20:24:16 <matt_j> groxx: I'll have to keep experimenting
Jan 08 20:25:34 <Dudytz> bynarie: can you send me an invite?
Jan 08 20:25:46 <bynarie> yes give me ur email addr
Jan 08 20:26:05 <Mattx> have you put a Youtube player inside a scrollview? is there any known bug? mine doesn't play, regarless of the size of the player
Jan 08 20:26:14 <groxx> matt_j: I haven't used group summaries before :/ I'd be curious what you find though. possibly it has something to do with wear?
Jan 08 20:29:05 <matt_j> groxx: yeah!
Jan 08 20:29:17 <matt_j> groxx: just calling setGroup causes *nothing* to show up on the device or wear
Jan 08 20:33:22 <matt_j> oh interesting
Jan 08 20:34:37 <TacticalJoke> Is there a limit regarding how much data to place into a Bundle in onSaveInstanceState?
Jan 08 20:34:40 <matt_j> using setGroupSummary(true) on all notifications caused them to stack on the wearable
Jan 08 20:34:47 <TacticalJoke> Would it be sensible to save, say, 500 reddit comments (which might be big)?
Jan 08 20:34:52 <matt_j> but did not appear nor played a notification sound on the phone
Jan 08 20:37:55 <chars6> hi
Jan 08 20:38:13 <chars6> i can't get a ListView FooterView to stay at the bottom of the screen
Jan 08 20:38:37 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  You want it to stay even if the user scrolls the list?
Jan 08 20:38:53 <chars6> TacticalJoke: yes
Jan 08 20:39:08 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Footer views don't do that.  You'd need a separate View in the layout in which the ListView resides.
Jan 08 20:39:11 <chars6> it isn't set to scroll yet, but i'm going to have to go back and add that eventually
Jan 08 20:39:52 <chars6> TacticalJoke: when i added buttons below the ListView before, they would repeat for every item in the list
Jan 08 20:40:04 <chars6> that's when i went to footers
Jan 08 20:40:25 <TacticalJoke> Why would they repeat?
Jan 08 20:40:37 <TacticalJoke> It's easy to add a single View or ViewGroup below a ListView
Jan 08 20:40:48 <chars6> hold on, recreating it right now
Jan 08 20:43:53 <hwrdprkns> Has anyone had the NoClassDefFound error when using espresso 2.0?
Jan 08 20:43:57 <hwrdprkns> Seems really weird
Jan 08 20:44:03 <chars6> TacticalJoke: yeah, i don't know what i'm doing wrong. was just trying to add a TextView below the ListView and it isn't showing up at all. ListView is set to wrap_content
Jan 08 20:44:36 <chars6> does it need to be inside a Layout?
Jan 08 20:45:10 <TacticalJoke> I don't think you can use wrap_content for a ListView's dimensions.  There's no notion of "content size".
Jan 08 20:46:00 <TacticalJoke> If you use a LinearLayout, you can set the ListView's layout_height to 0dp and its layout_weight to 1.
Jan 08 20:46:54 <chars6> TacticalJoke: does the LinearLayout wrap the ListView, the TextView below, or both?
Jan 08 20:47:03 <TacticalJoke> Both.
Jan 08 20:47:12 <chars6> ok
Jan 08 20:47:29 <drinfernoo> Napalm, any luck?
Jan 08 20:47:49 <yiati> char6: everything in a layout file has to go into a viewgroup
Jan 08 20:48:22 <Napalm> drinfernoo: sorry had no time
Jan 08 20:58:16 <tricknology> anyone how hot to close a HttpResponse object without consuming it?
Jan 08 20:58:49 <drinfernoo> its all good Napalm
Jan 08 20:58:55 <drinfernoo> I haven't figured it out yet though lol
Jan 08 20:59:03 <drinfernoo> what were you doing with GNow?
Jan 08 20:59:54 <HevvyMetal> anyone using any UI Binding libraries like bindroid, robodroid, butterknife, etc?
Jan 08 21:00:03 <JakeWharton> I use butterknife
Jan 08 21:00:09 <Tapani> anyone done a soft launch?
Jan 08 21:03:35 <HevvyMetal> yes I thought you might JakeWharton :)
Jan 08 21:03:49 <HevvyMetal> the wildly prolific jakewharton it is actually a little amazing
Jan 08 21:03:58 <HevvyMetal> is it ok if I ask you a few butterknife questions?
Jan 08 21:04:05 <JakeWharton> no. ask the channel
Jan 08 21:05:11 <HevvyMetal> ok well 1) does butterknife just do binding to models during the onCreate()..etc, or does it update the UI automatically when the model changes (observable etc)
Jan 08 21:05:31 <JakeWharton> it does findViewById when you tell it to
Jan 08 21:05:31 <HevvyMetal> 2) does butterknife do declarative binding in the xml or just imperative in the code
Jan 08 21:05:39 <JakeWharton> did you even read the website?
Jan 08 21:05:44 <JakeWharton> just code
Jan 08 21:05:52 <HevvyMetal> i think so but that was my next question
Jan 08 21:06:01 <HevvyMetal> was there another website besides the one I saw =:)
Jan 08 21:06:34 <pfn> on't you hate when people ask wthout even bothering to look at cursory documentation?  :p
Jan 08 21:06:41 <HevvyMetal> ok so it doesn't track changes to the model then is that correct JakeWharton ? I'd have to do that part by myself right? just making sure
Jan 08 21:06:54 <drinfernoo> how can I change the colors in my theme dynamically?
Jan 08 21:07:01 <HevvyMetal> come on perry I looked at the cursory docs..I also asked if there were other docs I should look at pfn :)
Jan 08 21:07:05 <JakeWharton> HevvyMetal: it's not a binding framework
Jan 08 21:07:12 <Silenced_101193> Is anyone using Android Studio 1.0
Jan 08 21:07:12 <JakeWharton> it's a glorified findViewById
Jan 08 21:07:16 <JakeWharton> it has nothing to do with your model
Jan 08 21:07:17 <JakeWharton> Silenced_101193: yes
Jan 08 21:07:18 <Tapani> anyone know anyone who has done a soft launch?
Jan 08 21:07:21 <HevvyMetal> ok fair enough JakeWharton that's sort of what I surmised
Jan 08 21:07:31 <drinfernoo> Tapani, what do you mean?
Jan 08 21:07:49 <Tapani> to launch in one country only
Jan 08 21:07:53 <Tapani> google play
Jan 08 21:07:59 <HevvyMetal> thanks for clarifying that -- as far as "binding frameworks" that do two way binding, notification, etc, are there any that you have used or like and/or are you going to be building something like that  JakeWharton ?
Jan 08 21:08:12 <HevvyMetal> Silenced_101193 : 1.02 here
Jan 08 21:08:22 <Silenced_101193> JakeWharton: I got a doubt . Whenever i create a new project , The resourse (R) is shown as error .
Jan 08 21:08:36 <Silenced_101193> JakeWharton: why?
Jan 08 21:08:38 <pfn> so fix the error
Jan 08 21:08:46 <pfn> easiest problem to solve ever
Jan 08 21:09:06 <Silenced_101193> pfn: U saying me ?
Jan 08 21:09:16 <drinfernoo> Tapani, I thought gplay let you do that automatically?
Jan 08 21:09:38 <chars6> something is pushing my TextView below the bottom of the screen and i don't know what: http://pastebin.com/wAuwU63x
Jan 08 21:10:35 <Tapani> drinfernoo: well i selected Australia only but my product page is visible everywhere
Jan 08 21:10:49 <drinfernoo> what's your app?
Jan 08 21:10:52 <whatitis> chars6, can set listview above textview
Jan 08 21:10:57 <Silenced_101193> HevvyMetal: have u experienced this error called "Cannot resolve symbol R" in Android studio just after creating a new project ?
Jan 08 21:11:44 <Mavrik> Holy hell, are your fingers going to fall off if you type "you"?
Jan 08 21:11:54 <pfn> Mavrik, clearly, he is a leper
Jan 08 21:11:56 <chars6> whatitis: i don't follow
Jan 08 21:11:58 <lewellyn> yo. ;)
Jan 08 21:12:06 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Does that even work?  I thought layout_width and layout_height had to be set for every View.
Jan 08 21:12:35 <whatitis> chars6, you have textview set to bottom, set layout above textview to listview
Jan 08 21:12:49 <chars6> TacticalJoke: for the ListView? yeah it works. i got rid of width and height after you said it doesn't apply to lists
Jan 08 21:13:03 <TacticalJoke> I didn't say that.  I said that "wrap_content" shouldn't be used.
Jan 08 21:13:10 <chars6> TacticalJoke: oh
Jan 08 21:13:12 <kailoAtWork> I'm using android studio/gradle to develop an android/java wrapper to my c++ library.  I have 3 modules--app, core, and pluginX atm.  pluginX depends on core.  How can I reference the c++ headers from core in pluginX?
Jan 08 21:13:15 <pfn> chars6, well, because you didn't set it, it must be implicitly 0
Jan 08 21:13:18 <drinfernoo> JakeWharton, looking at FragmentStatePagerAdapter, I'm having trouble figuring out how to adapt that code to make save the state of my GridViews. I'm not using arrays to pass the pages to the ViewPager... and they're not fragments
Jan 08 21:13:25 <pfn> you said alignParentTop
Jan 08 21:13:28 <pfn> but you didn't set it above anything
Jan 08 21:13:30 <pfn> so its height is 0
Jan 08 21:13:32 <drinfernoo> should I be using arrays?
Jan 08 21:13:47 <JakeWharton> HevvyMetal: we don't use that nor do we have plans to nor am i going to build something to do it
Jan 08 21:14:11 <Mavrik> mygod, someone on reddit actually is developing app that supports <7 O.o
Jan 08 21:14:28 <pfn> rxjava can be somewhat coerced to work like a binding framework
Jan 08 21:14:39 <JakeWharton> yes. we use it for one-way binding
Jan 08 21:14:52 <JakeWharton> very effectively
Jan 08 21:15:29 <Silenced_101193> Guys help me out please .
Jan 08 21:16:01 <Silenced_101193> facing an error with android studio .
Jan 08 21:16:33 <groxx> TacticalJoke: AFAIK there are 1mb limits for your serialized data.  if you need more, stick it on disk, serialize the file URL.
Jan 08 21:16:39 <TacticalJoke> Ah.
Jan 08 21:16:40 <whatitis> with the ide, or your code in that ide?
Jan 08 21:17:46 <groxx> TacticalJoke: alternatively, just store like the 10 that they're looking at, while you reload the list in the background
Jan 08 21:17:56 <pfn> Silenced_101193, good for you, fix it
Jan 08 21:18:09 <pfn> Silenced_101193, error in createing R is because of bad resources
Jan 08 21:18:13 <pfn> you should have an error for that
Jan 08 21:18:13 <TacticalJoke> Unfortunately, the reddit API isn't flexible enough to do that for comments.  That's a nice idea where possible, though.
Jan 08 21:18:16 <pfn> come back when you fix that error
Jan 08 21:18:28 <TacticalJoke> It's flexible enough to do that for posts.
Jan 08 21:19:21 <TacticalJoke> I'll probably just use general caching to handle the save-instance-state thing.
Jan 08 21:19:22 <groxx> TacticalJoke: I just mean to give them something to look at when they come back. then download all the comments, and replace it. if you're feeling nice, try to scroll to where they were.
Jan 08 21:19:29 <TacticalJoke> Oh, true.
Jan 08 21:19:59 <Silenced_101193> pfn, How do i fix it ? Its just an empty project
Jan 08 21:20:24 <pfn> Silenced_101193, then add files so that it isn't empty
Jan 08 21:21:40 <TacticalJoke> If someone is using a RelativeLayout with a child View that has layout_above and layout_below set, what should they set layout_height to?  0dp?
Jan 08 21:21:59 <TacticalJoke> I guess it doesn't matter, but just curious.
Jan 08 21:22:02 <pfn> TacticalJoke, whatever they want, because the layout rules take precedence
Jan 08 21:22:07 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 08 21:22:29 <pfn> I just choose wrap_content because it's somewhat the right idea
Jan 08 21:22:39 <pfn> it's just the size of your content is declared by the RL rules
Jan 08 21:22:42 <HevvyMetal> yea i've been wanting to look into rxjava pfn
Jan 08 21:23:04 <HevvyMetal> are all your android github projects things you did for square or thing you did for the heck of it or ..? either way is cool JakeWharton
Jan 08 21:23:25 <JakeWharton> nothing on my account is for work
Jan 08 21:23:34 <HevvyMetal> so getting back to two way binding frameworks (preferably xml) anyone doing that ? bindroid robodroid etc?
Jan 08 21:24:15 <HevvyMetal> hrrm interesting so what made you do that many FOSS components if you only did 1 or 2 apps on the store JakeWharton ? I'm surprised you don't work for GooG
Jan 08 21:24:21 <Silenced_101193> pfn: Look at this https://www.dropbox.com/s/q20p8fie5h9g5ia/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-09%2002%3A52%3A44.png?dl=0
Jan 08 21:24:34 <JakeWharton> i just wanted to
Jan 08 21:24:43 <HevvyMetal> sure taht's cool
Jan 08 21:24:56 <HevvyMetal> did you do any NoSQL/Realm stuff yet?
Jan 08 21:25:51 <pfn> Silenced_101193, so?
Jan 08 21:26:03 <TacticalJoke> So, if I have 1MB to work with in onSaveInstanceState (though I might have less because of other stuff), I could store maybe 500 large comments.  Seems like just a bad idea.
Jan 08 21:26:08 <pfn> Silenced_101193, why don't you look at your build log?
Jan 08 21:26:25 <drinfernoo> Tapani, incompatible with all of my devices
Jan 08 21:26:32 <HevvyMetal> i see hansl & gradle
Jan 08 21:26:43 <HevvyMetal> and some way blurry text
Jan 08 21:26:47 <Tapani> drinfernoo: ok
Jan 08 21:26:53 <Tapani> thanks
Jan 08 21:26:59 <drinfernoo> I think you're good lol
Jan 08 21:27:03 <drinfernoo> why only AUS BTW?
Jan 08 21:27:05 <Silenced_101193> pfn: My build fails !
Jan 08 21:27:13 <HevvyMetal> you need to import R Silenced_101193
Jan 08 21:27:24 <pfn> Silenced_101193, no shit, why don't you read the error
Jan 08 21:28:11 <Tapani> drinfernoo: i'm going to have a test launch there before world wide
Jan 08 21:28:13 <pfn> presumably, his activity is generated, so it should already be in the right package
Jan 08 21:28:33 <HevvyMetal> well it should be pfn but if you look at his screen shot, it isn't
Jan 08 21:28:40 <pfn> it's scrolled down
Jan 08 21:28:57 <HevvyMetal> ok so it's indeterminate then
Jan 08 21:29:16 <HevvyMetal> we just need to add "No Homework" to the topic ;0
Jan 08 21:29:19 <Silenced_101193> pfn: See this http://pastebin.com/w2TAkMkR
Jan 08 21:29:52 <pfn> Silenced_101193, so, fix the error
Jan 08 21:30:01 <pfn> Silenced_101193, don't use 21.0.0-rc1
Jan 08 21:30:14 <Silenced_101193> pfn, idk :(
Jan 08 21:30:28 <pfn> -rc1 is L-preview only
Jan 08 21:30:41 <TacticalJoke> What should I do about caching?  I need to cache things like a list of comments (complete with state such as "comment.isCollapsed").  Should I roll my own?
Jan 08 21:30:51 <Silenced_101193> pfn, beginner to android development
Jan 08 21:31:03 <HevvyMetal> so are you an android programmer now pfn?
Jan 08 21:31:04 <pfn> Silenced_101193, so why would you add 21.0.0-rc1
Jan 08 21:31:17 <TacticalJoke> Of course, I can't use OkHttp's caching because that's just the HTTP stuff.
Jan 08 21:31:38 <TacticalJoke> Or I could use it but I'd have to do other stuff too.
Jan 08 21:32:27 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking of writing JSON to files in background threads.  I guess that's the simplest way of "rolling my own".
Jan 08 21:32:31 <Silenced_101193> pfn: I didnt add anything
Jan 08 21:32:48 <HevvyMetal> yeah I'm interested in that too TacticalJoke you can check out realm
Jan 08 21:33:09 <HevvyMetal> but I don't like that it's not POJO based there is a base class yo uhave to inherit i think which is stuid
Jan 08 21:33:26 <HevvyMetal> i'd like to find one that's pure pojo based
Jan 08 21:33:33 <HevvyMetal> with some query capabilities
Jan 08 21:33:42 <HevvyMetal> and then just serialize the whole thing not maintian versions of the database
Jan 08 21:33:49 <HevvyMetal> if that's something people have worked with
Jan 08 21:34:09 <ColonelPanic001> I appear to be dumb. I have `notif.defaults |= Notification.DEFAULT_LIGHTS;`, same for vibrate and sound, and everything so far seems fine except when it makes the notification, the LED doesn't flash like for other things like email, etc. Am I dumb? it seems like the docs say this should do it.
Jan 08 21:34:11 <TacticalJoke> I think anything that qualifies as a database might be too heavy for what I need.
Jan 08 21:34:24 <groxx> TacticalJoke: probably sqlite.  I've been using greenDAO pretty happily (though its default-on not-thread-safe caching is omg frightening), or I've just started poking at Realm (which has other wtf moments, but is pretty simple to use)
Jan 08 21:34:56 <Mavrik> ColonelPanic001, i've found it to be more reliable to say "setDefaults(DEFAULTS_ALL)" instead of setting flags
Jan 08 21:35:03 <ColonelPanic001> if I do .setLights(0xff00ff00, 500, 100) on NotificationCompat.Builder, that does work. It just seems like it would be bad form to hardcode it and not "just do whatever the phone should do"
Jan 08 21:35:08 <ColonelPanic001> Mavrik: thanks, I'll give that a try
Jan 08 21:35:24 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  Hmm.  The thing is, I'm gonna be using this in onSaveInstanceState, so I want writes to be as fast as possible (so that I can read again in onCreate).  Would raw file access be more suitable?
Jan 08 21:35:25 <groxx> what does "too heavy" mean?  too much code to write by hand, or uses too much memory, or ?  sqlite is likely to be faster and better in every way (other than LoC) than anything you roll yourself
Jan 08 21:35:38 <TacticalJoke> I mean, writes and reads will be in a background thread, but I still want everything to be as immediate as possible.
Jan 08 21:35:44 <drinfernoo> anyone saved states of gridviews in a ViewPager?
Jan 08 21:36:01 <drinfernoo> I'm having trouble adapting FragmentStatePagerAdapter
Jan 08 21:36:15 <HevvyMetal> i just dont see the reason people should use sqlite anymore
Jan 08 21:36:21 <HevvyMetal> there should be a better alternative more nosql like
Jan 08 21:36:22 <TacticalJoke> So I guess I mean pure speed.
Jan 08 21:36:34 <HevvyMetal> well duh that's why it's not threadsafe == pure speeed
Jan 08 21:36:59 <ColonelPanic001> Mavrik: wtf, that did it. I thought that should have been exactly equivilent to what I had done - thanks. I would not have figured that out.
Jan 08 21:37:09 <HevvyMetal> overall given the choice i'd rather have something that is not threadsafe and add my own threadsafe wrapper around it
Jan 08 21:37:13 <groxx> HevvyMetal: because sqlite is way better than everything else.  realm looks interesting, but it still feels a little beta (migrations are necessary, but they're still experimental + API might change significantly)
Jan 08 21:37:20 <Chainfire> what the hell are you doing on my phone that takes so many database commits that it being threadsafe actually noticably impacts performance?
Jan 08 21:37:22 <HevvyMetal> way better in what way groxx?
Jan 08 21:37:30 <groxx> faster and more reliable
Jan 08 21:37:34 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing SQLite will be potentially way slower than raw file access in this case because SQLite has to worry about stuff like durability (whereas I don't care whether the power goes off mid-write).
Jan 08 21:37:36 <HevvyMetal> than what groxx?
Jan 08 21:37:48 <pfn> Silenced_101193, well, 21.0.0-rc1 is the wrong version, update your sdk and then update your dependency
Jan 08 21:37:49 <HevvyMetal> sqlite is good just like sql is good and nosql is good for the (opposite) reasons
Jan 08 21:37:51 <TacticalJoke> (Since this is only a temporary cache that isn't particularly important.)
Jan 08 21:38:11 <HevvyMetal> some data maps to sql better than others and it's redundant now that most data is graph based and sql has never been taht good with graphs
Jan 08 21:38:32 <TacticalJoke> I guess my reading code will just check whether a cache entry was fully written, and if not then just re-download.
Jan 08 21:38:35 <HevvyMetal> anyway i'm looking for alternatives to sqlite :) not really debating what is "best" for a given scenario
Jan 08 21:38:37 <Mavrik> ColonelPanic001, yeh, it seems that some things change over versions and for some reason that invokes proper arcane magick ČP
Jan 08 21:38:39 <drinfernoo> JakeWharton, how can I get Picasso to not reload images on every run?
Jan 08 21:39:03 <drinfernoo> nvm
Jan 08 21:39:22 <groxx> HevvyMetal: sure.  but at small data scales it hardly makes a difference, and extremely few nosql stores have anywhere even remotely near the durability of sqlite.
Jan 08 21:39:49 <HevvyMetal> it's not the size of the data groxx it's how well it maps to SQL etc
Jan 08 21:40:04 <Silenced_101193> pfn: last question . I used my SDK which i used in windows , Now i m in ubuntu . The SDK manager in ubuntu still accepts it . Is there any problem ?
Jan 08 21:40:15 <HevvyMetal> the durability I think is a little bit of a red herring as well
Jan 08 21:40:27 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  Main thing that concerns me is that I want to use a single thread for all of this (reading and writing), and I'm hoping to avoid queuing.
Jan 08 21:40:49 <groxx> HevvyMetal: in principle, sure.  in practice, rarely.  small data = fast unless you're doing something horrifically wrong.  and then you're doing something horrifically wrong - that'll be slow in any storage.
Jan 08 21:41:09 <groxx> TacticalJoke: single thread + avoid queueing is pretty much an oxymoron
Jan 08 21:41:14 <HevvyMetal> you're missing my point groxx but this isn't really the channel to debate nosql versus sql
Jan 08 21:41:18 <HevvyMetal> i'm asking for nosql options
Jan 08 21:41:30 <TacticalJoke> I guess I'll have to simply do this:  onSaveInstanceState --> if (alreadyWriting) { doNothing(); // don't add to the queue }
Jan 08 21:41:48 <TacticalJoke> And then, when reading back, waiting for N milliseconds before giving up and downloading.
Jan 08 21:42:20 <groxx> HevvyMetal: only one that I know of that sounds promising is Realm.  everything else tends to use too much memory / have durability problems.  which isn't a red herring - storage and writes fail all the time, people do crazy crap with force-kill.
Jan 08 21:42:42 <chars6> a water pipe just burst in my building
Jan 08 21:42:53 <HevvyMetal> I'm not really worried about "durability" as long as it's in memory and I can serialize it later that's enough for me and most apps groxx
Jan 08 21:42:55 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, and modern file-systems don't guarantee much (by way of durability) by themselves.
Jan 08 21:43:00 <drinfernoo> chars6 fuuuck
Jan 08 21:43:22 <chars6> drinfernoo: well, not too bad, it flooded the empty apt below me.
Jan 08 21:43:25 <HevvyMetal> the problem with realm approach is it never really recycles the dead (deleted) objects on disk from what I can tell and i don't want it to be interactively persistent i'd rather just save at checkpoints groxx
Jan 08 21:43:32 <groxx> HevvyMetal: durability is also things like "I wrote half a file, and now on re-launch it's crashing".
Jan 08 21:43:38 <TacticalJoke> HevvyMetal:  I guess it depends on the data.  In many cases, people care mainly about atomicity.
Jan 08 21:43:43 <drinfernoo> oh yeah not so bad
Jan 08 21:43:47 <groxx> HevvyMetal: if you're handling that well enough, sure, it's fine.  most don't.
Jan 08 21:43:51 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  That's atomicity, isn't it?
Jan 08 21:44:04 <groxx> yeah, that's more accurate.
Jan 08 21:44:07 <HevvyMetal> groxx: there's lots of ways to solve that including the way that the android os does it! store a backup file and use that!
Jan 08 21:44:15 <chars6> i'm still lost on getting a button anchored to the bottom of the screen below a listview
Jan 08 21:44:18 <HevvyMetal> no i dont think atomicity is needed in a transactional sense on android
Jan 08 21:44:28 <HevvyMetal> why would you? mostly android needs to retain data on exit
Jan 08 21:44:37 <HevvyMetal> it doesn't need to be transactional per se....it's not a banking system
Jan 08 21:44:39 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  It's easy.
Jan 08 21:45:02 <HevvyMetal> most "transactions" are over the wire now ( game purchaes whatever) and aren't really transactional at the android level from what i can tell
Jan 08 21:45:15 <groxx> uh. wildly different uses of the term there.
Jan 08 21:45:15 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Probably the easiest way is what I said above: use a LinearLayout, set the ListView's height to 0, set the ListView's layout_weight to 1, and define the TextView after.
Jan 08 21:45:18 <drinfernoo> chars6, just put it in a different layout
Jan 08 21:45:20 <TacticalJoke> But you can also do it with a RelativeLayout.
Jan 08 21:45:31 <HevvyMetal> making things transactional just makes things slow
Jan 08 21:45:46 <TacticalJoke> HevvyMetal:  Isn't atomicity basically always needed?
Jan 08 21:45:50 <HevvyMetal> if I fetch 1000 tweets, and insert them into a db, why does each tweet need to be a transaction? I just don't get it
Jan 08 21:45:55 <HevvyMetal> no, it isn't always needed!
Jan 08 21:45:57 <HevvyMetal> see above
Jan 08 21:46:09 <groxx> HevvyMetal: it sounds like you haven't done databases much.  you wouldn't do that with 1000 tweets.
Jan 08 21:46:12 <tarsier_> Hello guys & gals
Jan 08 21:46:14 <TacticalJoke> When is it not needed?  I don't see an example above.
Jan 08 21:46:14 <groxx> and that has nothing to do with transactions
Jan 08 21:46:16 <HevvyMetal> I have done tons of databases
Jan 08 21:46:21 <HevvyMetal> it has a lot to do with transactions
Jan 08 21:46:33 <HevvyMetal> i'm just gonna once again say, i'm looking for NoSQL alternatives
Jan 08 21:46:37 <TacticalJoke> Even in cases where an app might tolerate a half-written list, it won't be able to tolerate a half-written list item.
Jan 08 21:46:37 <HevvyMetal> if you want sql, fine :)
Jan 08 21:46:43 <TacticalJoke> There's always gonna be an atomicity requirement at some level.
Jan 08 21:46:45 <groxx> HevvyMetal: Realm looks promising
Jan 08 21:46:49 <groxx> and it's not SQL
Jan 08 21:47:01 <TacticalJoke> There will be a point where it says "Either we have a full X or we have no X at all".
Jan 08 21:47:07 <HevvyMetal> I know about realm looking for things besides Realm for the reasons I mentioned groxx
Jan 08 21:47:07 <groxx> it's _relational_, but that's orthogonal
Jan 08 21:47:26 <tarsier_> anyone here collect vinyl records?
Jan 08 21:47:28 <groxx> 👍
Jan 08 21:47:53 <tarsier_> you do groxx?
Jan 08 21:48:17 <groxx> HevvyMetal: berkeleyDB might be compact enough that it could work.  that's a "plain" key/value store afaik
Jan 08 21:48:19 <HevvyMetal> for instance groxx, if I download, say, todays movies titles, there is no reason to persist that data....when it reconnects (tomorrow) it wil get the list...hence I'm looking for pure in memory data (that I might serialize) but not something that always and intriniscally stores the data to storage groxx if that makes sense
Jan 08 21:48:32 <lacx> hey all X)
Jan 08 21:49:11 <Gryd3`Shop> Quick Q for you all again. Is it possible to edit account details for Internet calling with a 3rd party app?
Jan 08 21:49:14 <groxx> HevvyMetal: sure.  blindly writing everything into <datastore of choice> is rarely the right behavior
Jan 08 21:49:29 <lacx> should i always be using the latest version of google play services in my app or does it not make much difference?
Jan 08 21:49:41 <HevvyMetal> well so that's why I'm looking for things besides realm groxx
Jan 08 21:49:43 <HevvyMetal> so any ideas here?
Jan 08 21:50:07 <lacx> whats yur query HevvyMetal?
Jan 08 21:50:09 <DarkChaoz> err eclipse is gliching for me.. its producing errors on where i set the r.layout.<namehere>
Jan 08 21:50:22 <DarkChaoz> how do i fix?
Jan 08 21:50:29 <lacx> get on Android Studio DarkChaoz X)
Jan 08 21:50:33 <TacticalJoke> DarkChaoz:  Do you capitalise the R?
Jan 08 21:50:37 <HevvyMetal> lacx any in memory serliazable store for android that stores pojos and has some innate query capability :)
Jan 08 21:50:42 <HevvyMetal> s/any/an
Jan 08 21:50:42 <chars6> TacticalJoke: drinfernoo: like this? http://pastebin.com/erGCZUfD
Jan 08 21:50:58 <TacticalJoke> No.
Jan 08 21:51:02 <TacticalJoke> layout_weight="1"
Jan 08 21:51:06 <TacticalJoke> Oops, sorry.  I misread.
Jan 08 21:51:17 <DarkChaoz> yes
Jan 08 21:51:21 <DarkChaoz> its capitalized
Jan 08 21:51:24 <TacticalJoke> You need to give a width for the ListView.
Jan 08 21:51:24 <lacx> hmm why not just serialise to file HevvyMetal ?
Jan 08 21:51:35 <lacx> havnt heard of any in-memory ones im afraid
Jan 08 21:51:36 <drinfernoo> chars6, that's probably exactly how I'd do it
Jan 08 21:51:39 <TacticalJoke> Also, you should use match_parent, not fill_parent.  The latter is deprecated.
Jan 08 21:51:41 <chars6> that's still not doing it
Jan 08 21:51:42 <groxx> HevvyMetal: BerkeleyDB might exist for android, it's old and stable and efficient.  there might even be a stand-alone version of IndexedDB somewhere?  I haven't seen anything specific for anything but Realm and SQLite, but I wish you luck.  more database options is good.
Jan 08 21:52:32 <chars6> i want the listview to be scrollable eventually too
Jan 08 21:52:38 <TacticalJoke> That's irrelevant.
Jan 08 21:52:49 <TacticalJoke> ListViews scroll when they have enough content.
Jan 08 21:52:57 <groxx> TacticalJoke: any idea if match vs fill actually does anything different?  or did they just change the name "because"?
Jan 08 21:53:11 <TacticalJoke> I think they simply changed the name.
Jan 08 21:53:13 <chars6> well that's handy
Jan 08 21:53:14 <TacticalJoke> From what I read.
Jan 08 21:53:16 <DarkChaoz> any ideas to fix?
Jan 08 21:53:28 <TacticalJoke> DarkChaoz:  You need to give way more info.
Jan 08 21:53:29 <lacx> HevvyMetal: theres Esper (http://esper.codehaus.org/tutorials/faq_esper/faq.html) which yu may get running but its pretty heavyweight
Jan 08 21:53:37 <TacticalJoke> There are thousands of possible causes for what you mentioned.
Jan 08 21:53:48 <groxx> DarkChaoz: do you have an "import com.ur_app.R" line anywhere?  you might be using something else's R definition
Jan 08 21:54:05 <chars6> TacticalJoke: the button is still not showing up
Jan 08 21:54:37 <lacx> what version of google play services shud i be using, does it affect compatibility?
Jan 08 21:55:04 <DarkChaoz> well i did clean build and after that it produced R. errors
Jan 08 21:55:23 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Can you post the updated layout file?
Jan 08 21:55:38 <lacx> resources might be screwed DarkChaoz
Jan 08 21:55:42 <drinfernoo> try giving it a layout height instead of wrapping content
Jan 08 21:55:57 <lacx> i managed to corrupt mine a few days ago X)
Jan 08 21:56:08 <chars6> TacticalJoke: http://pastebin.com/e3x1nmVN
Jan 08 21:56:21 <TacticalJoke> That's not updated.
Jan 08 21:56:28 <groxx> lacx: I've been wondering the same myself.  in principle, the new ones probably have bugfixes the old ones don't.  and the new ones have new features.  in practice, the new services are backwards compatible quite a ways, and I don't know what happens if you have a newer version than the system is running - is it "forward-compatible" or do they force the user
Jan 08 21:56:28 <groxx> to update?
Jan 08 21:56:29 <chars6> i'll change fill_parent later on
Jan 08 21:56:34 <DarkChaoz> oh
Jan 08 21:56:40 <DarkChaoz> is there a way to fix it then?
Jan 08 21:56:41 <drinfernoo> try changing it and see
Jan 08 21:56:46 <drinfernoo> I always use match
Jan 08 21:56:47 <DarkChaoz> and which resources is messed up
Jan 08 21:57:03 <groxx> DarkChaoz: you probably have other errors.  one of them should tell you which resource is messed up, if that's the cause
Jan 08 21:57:05 <TacticalJoke> You need to give the ListView a layout_width of match_parent.
Jan 08 21:57:24 <kailoAtWork> how do I link one library module with another library module in gradle?  both are aars
Jan 08 21:57:34 <lacx> its not exactly clear eh groxx
Jan 08 21:57:44 <kailoAtWork> it's already compiling the dependency module aar, but they're not linking the runtimes correctly
Jan 08 21:58:07 <groxx> lacx: yeah :\  fwiw at work we're running a 4.4.x version, and the new ones are 6.5.x, and it works just fine.
Jan 08 21:58:21 <DarkChaoz> nah i there isnt any other errors except them
Jan 08 21:58:47 <groxx> DarkChaoz: then you're probably importing the wrong R, or not importing any
Jan 08 21:58:48 <HevvyMetal> well once again bdb is something to serialize data groxx
Jan 08 21:59:02 <HevvyMetal> i think i had heard of an in memory database called mv or osmething
Jan 08 21:59:03 <groxx> HevvyMetal: so... you're looking for an in-memory query engine?
Jan 08 21:59:06 <lacx> cool groxx im having issues on an app (in 5.0.1) with lib version 5.0.89, so may try updating
Jan 08 21:59:21 <HevvyMetal> yeah that would be a lot of it right there groxx anything you've been using?
Jan 08 21:59:22 <chars6> TacticalJoke: ok, done, button is still missing. sry for being a pain
Jan 08 21:59:35 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Please post the updated layout.  The last thing you posted was identical to the first thing.
Jan 08 21:59:38 <DarkChaoz> Im definitely importing them because they are in the res layout folder and imported it correctly
Jan 08 21:59:42 <kailoAtWork> does anyone here actually use android studio?
Jan 08 22:00:01 <lacx> at the moment im having issues with MediaRecorder - "start failed: -38" which stackoverflow suggests is to do with another service already running using one (or both) of the encoders for the MediaRecorder
Jan 08 22:00:21 <chars6> TacticalJoke: the current layout is what i just posted, plus a layout_width="match_parent"
Jan 08 22:00:29 <groxx> HevvyMetal: nah.  typically I just write my own stuff when it comes to that, since I can optimize the data and storage and querying structure as needed.  if you're looking for a general store, no clue.  though you _can_ run sqlite in memory in android iirc :)
Jan 08 22:01:10 <groxx> kailoAtWork: afaik most of us do (as in, 50%+, not claiming much more)
Jan 08 22:01:11 <DarkChaoz> i think R.java is missing.. but where is it located?
Jan 08 22:01:33 <kailoAtWork> Does anyone develop android libraries with it?
Jan 08 22:01:44 <groxx> kailoAtWork: that I dunno :)
Jan 08 22:01:45 <HevvyMetal> anyone here an independent consultant or most people working as emps?
Jan 08 22:01:53 <drinfernoo> chars, try giving the button a height, and the listview match parent
Jan 08 22:01:58 <kailoAtWork> There seems to be a terrible deficit of documentation on anything gradle/android studio
Jan 08 22:02:00 <drinfernoo> groxx, I don't ;)
Jan 08 22:02:06 <TacticalJoke> The button already has a height.
Jan 08 22:02:21 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i have a program, DroidDraw, it looks correct there, but not in the emulator
Jan 08 22:02:28 <HevvyMetal> yeah i've mentioned that kailoatwork i think there is a channel bt wasnt very active
Jan 08 22:02:48 <groxx> kailoAtWork: I'm pretty newbish with gradle, but afaik you use settings.gradle to include all your modules, and I would assume `compile "path/to/.aar"` or `compile project(":module_name")` (or something similar) would work.  if it doesn't, that's beyond my gradle skillz
Jan 08 22:03:12 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Is this the layout for an activity?
Jan 08 22:03:23 <kailoAtWork> is there any gradle support for having one JNI aar link against another jni aar?
Jan 08 22:03:28 <kailoAtWork> the java files find each other just fine
Jan 08 22:03:30 <chars6> TacticalJoke: yeah, main.xml
Jan 08 22:03:39 <drinfernoo> groxx, whenever I try to do that with multiple gradle projects, it means r
Jan 08 22:03:40 <kailoAtWork> but it's not linking against the generated .so in the aar dependency
Jan 08 22:03:40 <groxx> kailoAtWork: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs has quite a bit of info, otherwise it's basically all Gradle, which has a ludicrous amount of documentation (which I mean mostly in a bad way.  it takes forever to find anything useful.)
Jan 08 22:03:43 <chars6> for my main activity
Jan 08 22:04:26 <groxx> kailoAtWork: aaah, native code?  Studio doesn't support it yet.  but: is it not including the .so file in the output apk?
Jan 08 22:04:51 <kailoAtWork> groxx, yes
Jan 08 22:05:03 <Mavrik> hmm, that should work
Jan 08 22:05:05 <TacticalJoke> Are you sure you set the ListView's layout_width to "match_parent"?  If so, I think I'd try setting android:background="#ff0000" or something for each of them, to try to figure out where they are.
Jan 08 22:05:14 <kailoAtWork> if I have an app that depends on my core module (jni + java), the app can call java functions in the module that later call jni
Jan 08 22:05:16 <kailoAtWork> however
Jan 08 22:05:42 <kailoAtWork> if I  have my plugin module (jni + java), which depends on the core module (jni+java), it can't link against the .so in the generated core aar
Jan 08 22:05:50 <TacticalJoke> Or perhaps you're not adding anything to the ListView and getting confused about its presence?
Jan 08 22:05:52 <kailoAtWork> so it fails at compile time
Jan 08 22:06:12 <groxx> kailoAtWork: ick.  definitely sounds annoying.
Jan 08 22:06:33 <kailoAtWork> groxx is there any way to avoid it?  I'd rather not extract aars and copy around .so's
Jan 08 22:06:58 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i'll change fill to match across the whole project. back in a moment
Jan 08 22:07:00 <groxx> kailoAtWork: I assume gradle has irc rooms, I'd probably try that.  nearly all of the build behavior is dictated by gradle (and the Android plugin, but still), not Studio, so gradlers might have ideas
Jan 08 22:07:06 <TacticalJoke> BTW, in reference to your XML comment, wrapping a ListView in a ScrollView is strongly *not* recommended by the Android people.
Jan 08 22:07:15 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  That shouldn't make any difference.
Jan 08 22:07:18 <TacticalJoke> But it's a good idea anyway.
Jan 08 22:07:21 <kailoAtWork> ok
Jan 08 22:07:55 <groxx> kailoAtWork: I have no idea, unfortunately.  have you tried compile project() for _both_ modules?
Jan 08 22:10:33 <groxx> kailoAtWork: fwiw this: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide links to this: http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/multi_project_builds.html which is probably relevant.  but I'm not familiar with that part beyond the very-very-basic stuff.
Jan 08 22:12:21 <Mavrik> kailoAtWork, wait, your native NDK build script has to link to something in another AAR?
Jan 08 22:13:04 <Mavrik> that is with GCC linker?
Jan 08 22:14:17 <chars6> TacticalJoke: ok, this isn't making much sense. i set the listview and buttons backgrounds to red and blue, respectively and nothing changed
Jan 08 22:15:04 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i changed the content of the list to make sure i'm installing the right file and that worked, so it's not that it isn't building or compiling the wrong file
Jan 08 22:15:22 <shekibobo> does anyone happen to have an idea why, if I use the technique described here: http://css-tricks.com/NetMag/FluidWidthVideo/Article-FluidWidthVideo.php for embedding youtube videos that automatically resize, that they wouldn't show up in an android webview?
Jan 08 22:15:44 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i'm just looking at the list (1 item in it) on a black background
Jan 08 22:15:45 <shekibobo> specifically the <ifram> technique described
Jan 08 22:15:51 <shekibobo> <iframe>*
Jan 08 22:16:45 <shekibobo> just the css solution, not the jquery one
Jan 08 22:16:46 <groxx> shekibobo: dunno.  might be OS specific though, since webview capabilities change.  have you tried debugging the webview
Jan 08 22:17:06 <shekibobo> groxx: how do I debug the webview?
Jan 08 22:17:28 <groxx> shekibobo: Chrome has the ability either built in, or with an official extension
Jan 08 22:17:43 <groxx> shekibobo: https://developer.chrome.com/devtools/docs/remote-debugging
Jan 08 22:18:10 <groxx> iirc Firefox has been building the capability for it too, though I don't know what its current progress is.
Jan 08 22:19:03 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Are you sure it's the right layout file?  The list contents are separate from that file.
Jan 08 22:20:34 <shekibobo> groxx: thanks, I'll try this out
Jan 08 22:20:59 <lacx> great now I have to rewrite my LocationClient code! its deprecated dammit
Jan 08 22:21:18 <chars6> TacticalJoke: actually, no.. this is the activity class: http://pastebin.com/ChtpsKMQ
Jan 08 22:22:11 <groxx> lacx: heh.  well, arguably it was deprecated before, but you didn't know :)
Jan 08 22:22:32 <TacticalJoke> .//setContentView(R.layout.main);
Jan 08 22:22:33 <TacticalJoke> ?
Jan 08 22:22:41 <groxx> lacx: afaik they keep deprecated features for quite a while, though it does sorta imply death at some point.
Jan 08 22:22:43 <TacticalJoke> Seems you're not even inflating the layout.
Jan 08 22:23:01 <groxx> activities can do that
Jan 08 22:23:10 <groxx> oh, wait, commented out
Jan 08 22:23:20 <TacticalJoke> Stuff like "ListView listview = new ListView(this);" is simply not what you want.
Jan 08 22:23:39 <chars6> TacticalJoke: it was pieced together from a few tutorials. android tutorials always seem to do things differently from each other
Jan 08 22:24:02 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i uncommented setContentView, but the program crashes then
Jan 08 22:24:58 <chars6> let me repost it without the commented code. it'll be easier to read
Jan 08 22:26:19 <chars6> TacticalJoke: groxx: without commented code: http://pastebin.com/npKs9zKB
Jan 08 22:26:32 <HevvyMetal> i'm  new to gradle is it more of an imperative or declarative approach?
Jan 08 22:26:43 <TacticalJoke> It's just wrong.
Jan 08 22:26:47 <HevvyMetal> for instance maven() seems like a function call but people say gradle is declartive so just curiosu
Jan 08 22:27:03 <TacticalJoke> Just call setContentView and find the inflated ListView.
Jan 08 22:27:32 <groxx> HevvyMetal: I think they're calling it "declarative" because they built the API so it _looks_ declarative.  it's "just" Groovy code though.
Jan 08 22:27:33 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, ugh... well... gradle scripts are written in groovy which is an imperative language, but the definition of the build process is declarative :)
Jan 08 22:27:38 <Mavrik> simple... no? ;)
Jan 08 22:28:25 <shekibobo> groxx: this is awesome, thanks!
Jan 08 22:28:34 <groxx> yeah, there is some level of declarative-ness, since you define dependencies and it e.g. figures out in which order things should run.
Jan 08 22:28:46 <drose379> The create() method in OKhttp RequestBody cannot accept a JSON object can it?
Jan 08 22:28:55 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 08 22:29:08 <drose379> so I have to make a JSON array as a string
Jan 08 22:29:10 <shovel_boss> hello
Jan 08 22:29:11 <JakeWharton> render your JSON to a string or stream it via writeTo(BufferedSink sink)
Jan 08 22:29:14 <shovel_boss> how do i make the back button work
Jan 08 22:29:18 <shovel_boss> on android studio
Jan 08 22:29:25 <drose379> I tried {"name": variable}
Jan 08 22:29:30 <drose379> And didnt work
Jan 08 22:29:36 <groxx> shekibobo: good to hear :)  if you fix it, and you support < 4.4, make sure to test on other devices.  webview was upgraded quite a bit in 4.4, older ones might just not be able to do that.
Jan 08 22:29:48 <JakeWharton> drose379: "didn't work" tells me nothing
Jan 08 22:29:57 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Wait, you're using ListActivity.  I'm not sure it's possible to do what you want with a ListActivity.
Jan 08 22:29:59 <TacticalJoke> Though I could be wrong.
Jan 08 22:30:11 <drose379> JakeWharton , it gave me syntax error
Jan 08 22:30:14 <shekibobo> groxx: I'm actually working on KK and L
Jan 08 22:30:15 <drose379> Ill recreate it, one sec
Jan 08 22:30:30 <shekibobo> looks like it's the URL I'm using to embed the video that breaks it, though
Jan 08 22:30:37 <groxx> shekibobo: lucky :)
Jan 08 22:31:03 <shekibobo> groxx: that's not to say I don't have to support older ones, that's just what I'm testing on now
Jan 08 22:31:08 <HevvyMetal> groxx Mavrik yeah it's makefiles 5.0 i dont get whats so uber special about gradle besides it an autodownload dependencies which many things can go besides gradele what makes it so kewl?
Jan 08 22:31:14 <groxx> shekibobo: something's wrong with the URL, or could it be that the video's format isn't supported?
Jan 08 22:31:28 <groxx> HevvyMetal: slightly less annoying to use than Ant?
Jan 08 22:31:32 <HevvyMetal> and let's say i wanted to find the definition for maven() and change it in gradle how would I fidn it?
Jan 08 22:31:32 <shovel_boss> making the back button work is hard if you are uninformed
Jan 08 22:31:34 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, it's an actual build system.
Jan 08 22:31:35 <shovel_boss> please enlighten me
Jan 08 22:31:42 <HevvyMetal> yeah well actual in what way
Jan 08 22:31:44 <drose379> JakeWharton , heres the method I tried http://pastie.org/9821019
Jan 08 22:31:50 <HevvyMetal> lots of build systems are actual build systems Mavrik
Jan 08 22:31:52 <HevvyMetal> ~fanboy
Jan 08 22:31:53 <shekibobo> the url I'm using to embed it is a youtube.com/v/videoid, but if I change it to youtube.com/embed/videoid it seems to work
Jan 08 22:32:08 <drose379> Giving me syntax errors on the colon : and on the ending bracket }
Jan 08 22:32:10 <HevvyMetal> i'm just wondering a fwe things that make it awesome besides "everything is shitty"
Jan 08 22:32:13 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, in a way "it's not a shitty eclipse-only project file that cannot be automated or used in any other way than to manually click through an Eclipse import dialog" :P
Jan 08 22:32:20 <f2prateek_> you need to wrap your json in quotes
Jan 08 22:32:20 <JakeWharton> drose379: that's not valid Java
Jan 08 22:32:38 <HevvyMetal> Mavrik : so it can run in external environments, which is not important to me. what else can it do Mavrik ?
Jan 08 22:32:45 <drose379> OK, Needs to be wrapped in quotes
Jan 08 22:32:50 <HevvyMetal> i'm pretty sure ant can run in external environments too but i never tried it myself
Jan 08 22:33:08 <drose379> Fixed?  userString = "{'name': userString}";
Jan 08 22:33:17 <groxx> HevvyMetal: personally, I like that it makes things like "add current git sha to version name" a lot easier than in Eclipse.  Especially when you have multiple APKs to generate, which means multiple manifests, and merging.  none of that is _intrinsic_ to gradle, just a nice improvement over the default stuff in Eclipse.
Jan 08 22:33:40 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, *shrug* dunno what answer are you expecting
Jan 08 22:33:51 <Mavrik> it's just one of the Java build systems that was chosen to be the default for Android
Jan 08 22:34:05 <Mavrik> Maven is less flexible, Ant is a joke, everything else has nowhere near the community and support
Jan 08 22:34:05 <HevvyMetal> heh ok well i have a question about the maven get stuff but aybe some other time
Jan 08 22:34:19 <HevvyMetal> is there a way that the repositories can say that X is compatible with Y?
Jan 08 22:34:21 <yiati> woo! finally got the sample project in RxAndroid "seemingly" working in AS finally
Jan 08 22:34:41 <yiati> the sample-app module was commented out in the root settings.gradle :|
Jan 08 22:34:42 <HevvyMetal> for instance saying compile foo:dagger 1.8.+
Jan 08 22:34:55 <groxx> HevvyMetal: the maven stuff is probably defined in either Gradle itself, or the Java plugin (which I think Android's plugin builds off?).  tl;dr: go read the source / docs for those :(  I wish it were easy to debug, but I haven't found a way to dive in and inspect its internals.
Jan 08 22:34:58 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  I've never used ListActivity before, but the documentation suggests that you can't use arbitrary Views in the layout for a ListActivity.
Jan 08 22:35:00 <HevvyMetal> the + is arbitrary it's up to each package to declare comparabiliility
Jan 08 22:35:08 <TacticalJoke> If that's the case then you'll simply have to stop using ListActivity.
Jan 08 22:35:16 <JakeWharton> + isn't arbitrary. it means grab the latest which matches the glob
Jan 08 22:35:17 <HevvyMetal> well why not if its so ober groxx?
Jan 08 22:35:34 <HevvyMetal> JakeWharton yes I know that but it's arbitrary in terms of compability
Jan 08 22:35:39 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, there's no compatibility checking, Gradle uses same repos as Maven
Jan 08 22:35:43 <JakeWharton> HevvyMetal: ok, then don't use it
Jan 08 22:35:45 <HevvyMetal> is there a manifest that says what previous versions is compatible with?
Jan 08 22:35:45 <groxx> all version names are arbitrary in terms of compatability
Jan 08 22:35:46 <Mavrik> it just grabs the artifact and tries to eat it
Jan 08 22:35:55 <Mavrik> Nop.
Jan 08 22:36:00 <HevvyMetal> well I'm just wanting to use it as best as possible ofr instnace JakeWharton on your various pacakages
Jan 08 22:36:01 <TacticalJoke> The word 'arbitrary' just got a surge in popularity.
Jan 08 22:36:11 <JakeWharton> then specify the newest one explicitly
Jan 08 22:36:17 <shovel_boss> how do you make the
Jan 08 22:36:18 <drose379> JakeWharton I want the userString to be a variable, not actually "userString"
Jan 08 22:36:21 <shovel_boss> back button work
Jan 08 22:36:25 <drose379> so it has to be outside of double quotes, correct?
Jan 08 22:36:26 <HevvyMetal> do you recommending going for 1.8.+ or 1.+ or just +? and what do you guarantee in temrs of compability ? does that make sense JakeWharton
Jan 08 22:36:30 <JakeWharton> never use +
Jan 08 22:36:31 <JakeWharton> ever
Jan 08 22:36:33 <Mavrik> HevvyMetal, don't use +.
Jan 08 22:36:39 <Mavrik> Just... no.
Jan 08 22:36:42 <Mavrik> Even if Google tells you to.
Jan 08 22:36:46 <yiati> groxx: It's all in the source, there isn't any legit docs yet for the Android gradle plugin. They said they wanted to at least wait till 1.0 to start on docs since it was changing so often, but they do plan on making nice docs like all of the gradle docs
Jan 08 22:36:50 <Mavrik> Tell them to L2Program and don't. :P
Jan 08 22:36:58 <shovel_boss> HOW TO MAKE A BACK BUTTON WORK
Jan 08 22:36:59 <HevvyMetal> google does not but my coworkers wanted to and they said thats what so great bout gradle is the + stuff
Jan 08 22:37:04 <JakeWharton> they're wrong
Jan 08 22:37:11 <HevvyMetal> that it always gets the "current version" and I said what you said that they should not do that
Jan 08 22:37:28 <f2prateek_> drose379: userString = “{\”name\": “+userString+”}";
Jan 08 22:37:30 <HevvyMetal> right well it turned into a big fracas and it sucks because I was right but being right doesn't help in the real world*sigh*
Jan 08 22:37:32 <HevvyMetal> bbiab coffee
Jan 08 22:37:37 <yiati> + is fine if you are always aware of what the latest version of everything is, but that's not a great assumption
Jan 08 22:37:45 <drose379> Why is name escaped?
Jan 08 22:37:47 <f2prateek_> you might want to look at a proper json serialization library though
Jan 08 22:37:57 <groxx> HevvyMetal: different projects have different interpretations for "version X is compatible with version Y".  that hasn't changed at all.  but personally, I use "+" to download the latest, then check the external-dependencies for the actual version, and change it to that.  it's just lazier than looking up the newest version first.
Jan 08 22:37:58 <TacticalJoke> It's not escaped.  The quote chars are escaped.
Jan 08 22:37:59 <f2prateek_> coz name has “"
Jan 08 22:38:03 <Mavrik> yiati, it just makes your build break for dumb reasons when you need to rebuild that version for some reason after 2 years
Jan 08 22:38:08 <Mavrik> no beneft really :/
Jan 08 22:38:10 <HevvyMetal> well thats why i asked if there was compatibility in the manifest that would help a lot here yiati JakeWharton etc.... but thanks for info coffee
Jan 08 22:38:39 <JakeWharton> the deployed pom can specify a compatible version range of a dependency
Jan 08 22:38:41 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Is it time for the daily "drose379 ought to learn Java" reminder?  :)
Jan 08 22:38:42 <drose379> f2prateek_ does the key (name) have to be in single quotes though?
Jan 08 22:38:49 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: yes
Jan 08 22:38:49 <s73v3r> Is there an easy way to filter lists of objects that’s built in? As in, not requiring me to bring in Guava?
Jan 08 22:38:52 <drose379> Probably, yes
Jan 08 22:39:02 <groxx> JakeWharton: ah, cool.  didn't know that.
Jan 08 22:39:03 <JakeWharton> s73v3r: for loop
Jan 08 22:39:04 <yiati> Mavrik: Not necessarily dumb reason, they are incompatibility reasons that you will have to deal with eventually, but I do think it's better practice to do that on ones own terms rather than randomly on + terms because it's easy to forget
Jan 08 22:39:05 <drose379> Well I am learning it
Jan 08 22:39:22 <Mavrik> yiati, yep, my point exactly
Jan 08 22:39:32 <JakeWharton> yes
Jan 08 22:39:36 <JakeWharton> you want repeatable, hermetic builds
Jan 08 22:39:42 <TacticalJoke> I would recommend going through Oracle's pages in your down-time.
Jan 08 22:39:43 <JakeWharton> wildcard deps prevent that
Jan 08 22:39:48 <TacticalJoke> They're quite easy to read.
Jan 08 22:40:00 <drose379> Ok, I will
Jan 08 22:40:32 <groxx> shovel_boss: shouting is unlikely to help.  but: what is it you want to do, and what is it doing?  "how do you make it work" isn't a question anyone can answer, because it _does_ work.
Jan 08 22:41:26 <shovel_boss> groxx, back button closes the app
Jan 08 22:41:33 <shovel_boss> instead of going back
Jan 08 22:41:47 <JakeWharton> addToBackStack(null) on your fragment transactions
Jan 08 22:42:05 <JakeWharton> </randomGuess>
Jan 08 22:42:28 <groxx> shovel_boss: "closing the app" is normal behavior if there's nothing else to go back to.  what should it be doing?
Jan 08 22:42:33 <TacticalJoke> For a reddit client, I couldn't get away with cleverly using WebView for all images, right?  I should use ImageView, I'm guessing?
Jan 08 22:42:49 <groxx> TacticalJoke: unless you hate the user's RAM, probably :)
Jan 08 22:42:51 <shovel_boss> groxx, going back to the main activity
Jan 08 22:42:52 <TacticalJoke> :D
Jan 08 22:42:54 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Jan 08 22:43:12 <drose379> TacticalJoke so whenever I use quotes inside a string, I must escaper
Jan 08 22:43:14 <drose379> escape
Jan 08 22:43:21 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Jan 08 22:43:31 <groxx> shovel_boss: ok, so you're pressing 'back' when in a _second_ activity, launched from the first?
Jan 08 22:43:42 <shovel_boss> yes
Jan 08 22:43:56 <drose379> TacticalJoke I still think this : userString = “{\”name\": “+userString+”}";
Jan 08 22:43:57 <groxx> shovel_boss: are you overriding onBackPressed in your activities?
Jan 08 22:44:06 <drose379> has my userString as literlal userString
Jan 08 22:44:09 <drose379> not as the variable
Jan 08 22:44:18 <shovel_boss> groxx, ill give you the code
Jan 08 22:44:38 <chars6> TacticalJoke: sorry, i had to step away. that's why i was asking about listview.addfooterview() when i first logged in
Jan 08 22:44:42 <TacticalJoke> userString = "{\"name\": " + userString + "}";
Jan 08 22:44:47 <chars6> plumber is here
Jan 08 22:44:51 <TacticalJoke> It's self-referential.
Jan 08 22:45:04 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  I think the solution is to use Activity, not ListActivity.
Jan 08 22:45:15 <drose379> Where can I find the documentation for the +
Jan 08 22:45:17 <TacticalJoke> Though I'm only 99% sure.
Jan 08 22:45:32 <shovel_boss> http://pastebin.com/2xMj9aQe
Jan 08 22:45:36 <shovel_boss> activity main
Jan 08 22:45:36 <groxx> drose379: it's normal string concatenation, part of Java's language definition.
Jan 08 22:45:38 <drose379> Oh, I was confused as to why you were using it twice, but I see now, the end quote
Jan 08 22:45:52 <chars6> TacticalJoke: and then loop through the list entries and add then one by one?
Jan 08 22:46:05 <groxx> shovel_boss: ah.  it looks like you're not actually starting other activities, you're just swapping out the view of a single one.
Jan 08 22:46:06 <shovel_boss> groxx, activity 2 http://pastebin.com/CL1BgMEK
Jan 08 22:46:18 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Adding items to the adapter is a separate question.
Jan 08 22:46:26 <chars6> TacticalJoke: the assignment does say to use a listview
Jan 08 22:46:29 <shovel_boss> so how do i make it work
Jan 08 22:46:36 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  A ListView is not a ListActivity.
Jan 08 22:46:44 <shovel_boss> i want it to return to the main activity all the time on back press
Jan 08 22:47:08 <chars6> TacticalJoke: good point... i'll switch it back to an activity
Jan 08 22:47:12 <groxx> shovel_boss: usually, you'd use `startActivity(new Intent(context, OtherActivity.class))` to start a second activity.  then 'back' works as you'd expect, and goes back.
Jan 08 22:47:13 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I'm not sure, but this is a basic overview: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/data/strings.html
Jan 08 22:47:35 <shovel_boss> groxx, how do i make it work this way
Jan 08 22:47:35 <groxx> shovel_boss: if you really want to keep the setContentView stuff instead of multiple activities, you can override onBackPressed and do whatever you want.
Jan 08 22:47:36 <drose379> Got it,  I was just confused about why + was used twice, but I see now
Jan 08 22:47:38 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  As far as I know, ListActivities only allow full-screen ListViews, basically.  Can't add a custom "footer" (which is always visible).
Jan 08 22:48:11 <shovel_boss> groxx, so i add the line onBackPressed(); and what arguments do i give it
Jan 08 22:48:17 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  It's no different from this:  String message = "Hello, " + name + ".";
Jan 08 22:48:34 <groxx> shovel_boss: you override onBackPressed in your activity.  it's already part of Activity, you need to change its behavior
Jan 08 22:48:45 <shovel_boss> or do i do it onBackPressed{ setContentView.activity_main; } or something?
Jan 08 22:48:47 <drose379> Right, the second + is needed for the ending quote and period
Jan 08 22:49:08 <groxx> shovel_boss: yeah, that would probably do what you want
Jan 08 22:49:26 <shovel_boss> ok thanks
Jan 08 22:51:34 <Memorion> my layout preview in android studio is broken, it doesn't show the actionbar and a switch looks weird, tools:context is set, any ideas?
Jan 08 22:52:49 <groxx> Memorion: do you have a custom theme?  you might have to change it in the preview
Jan 08 22:55:02 <Memorion> groxx my theme extends an support theme, the actionbar for the standard material works shows up but isn't colored in my colorPrimary
Jan 08 22:56:16 <groxx> check the theme-dropdown in the preview (it's next to the 'rotate' button).  it's probably just set on the default support theme or something
Jan 08 22:56:41 <Memorion> groxx no it set to my apptheme, but I just found https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78944 looks like it's a known bug
Jan 08 22:57:47 <yango> I have a listview showing a string on each row. I want that when the user clicks on a row, the text converts into a edittext so the user can edit the string
Jan 08 22:58:07 <yango> can it be done in the same activity or should I change the activity upon list clicking?
Jan 08 22:58:35 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  JSON is kinda awkward to represent in Java string-literals.  You could improve readability by having a method like this:  private static void inQuotes(String string) { return "\"" + string + "\"""; }
Jan 08 22:58:57 <TacticalJoke> Then you could say something like this:  String json = "{" + inQuotes("name") + ": " + inQuotes(userValue) + "}";
Jan 08 22:59:11 <drose379> hmmm
Jan 08 22:59:13 <TacticalJoke> Though it might not be amazingly performant if you're doing a lot of stuff.
Jan 08 22:59:19 <groxx> Memorion: interesting.  and :(
Jan 08 22:59:28 <TacticalJoke> Now that I think of it, wouldn't the JSON library handle stuff like that?
Jan 08 22:59:56 <TacticalJoke> You're just creating some JSON output, basically.
Jan 08 23:00:06 <groxx> most have json builders, yeah
Jan 08 23:00:13 <drose379> Right, and if I send that String in a post request, I can grab it with the key?
Jan 08 23:00:19 <drose379> $_POST[key]
Jan 08 23:00:22 <drose379> Im about to try it :)
Jan 08 23:00:28 <TacticalJoke> I have on idea when it comes to PHP.
Jan 08 23:00:40 <TacticalJoke> yango:  That should work without changing Activity.
Jan 08 23:00:42 <drose379> Oh, well see then
Jan 08 23:00:54 <Memorion> groxx yeah and low priority seems wrong for stuff like that
Jan 08 23:00:56 <TacticalJoke> yango:  I think the best way would be to return multiple View types from your adapter.
Jan 08 23:01:47 <groxx> Memorion: I think the priority might have been changed, the message shows _two_ priorities, and the current priority looks like 'critical' to me
Jan 08 23:02:02 <TacticalJoke> yango:  Then again, EditTexts inside a ListView seem a little weird.  Why do you want that?
Jan 08 23:02:11 <TacticalJoke> Oh, you said.  Never mind.
Jan 08 23:02:31 <groxx> Memorion: or wait, maybe it _was_ small, and "-Priority-Small" means it was removed and replaced with "Priority-Critical"?
Jan 08 23:03:04 <Memorion> groxx oh I see and 25 hours hopefully means it's fixed soon
Jan 08 23:04:36 <JakeWharton> groxx: yes. the left column at the top is the current state
Jan 08 23:04:54 <HevvyMetal> anyone using parse.om?
Jan 08 23:04:58 <HevvyMetal> .com
Jan 08 23:05:12 <groxx> HevvyMetal: soon.  though not currently.
Jan 08 23:05:29 <chars6> TacticalJoke: got it!
Jan 08 23:05:39 <chars6> TacticalJoke: thanks for the help
Jan 08 23:05:44 <TacticalJoke> Glad it's working.  :)
Jan 08 23:08:22 <HevvyMetal> how do most of you folk handle your fragment updating logic ? any particular approaches?
Jan 08 23:10:19 <groxx> spaghetti code.  it pleases the FSM.
Jan 08 23:15:24 <HevvyMetal> FSM groxx?
Jan 08 23:15:34 <HevvyMetal> yeah there is a lot of spaghetti in android trying to get away from that
Jan 08 23:15:41 <HevvyMetal> all the tight coupling is strange
Jan 08 23:16:35 <TacticalJoke> He's talking about The Almighty, HevvyMetal.
Jan 08 23:16:52 <HevvyMetal> yeah but what is FSM? Fucking Scrum Master?
Jan 08 23:17:15 <DarkChaoz> anyone know if i need to have oath to make use of twitter api
Jan 08 23:17:31 <TacticalJoke> The deity of Pastafarianism.
Jan 08 23:17:31 <DarkChaoz> its because i want to make a twitter feed actvity for my app
Jan 08 23:17:41 <TacticalJoke> DarkChaoz:  Not sure, but I suspect so.
Jan 08 23:18:08 <DarkChaoz> urghhhh ok.. i suppose i need to look into more
Jan 08 23:18:11 <DarkChaoz> thanks
Jan 08 23:18:54 <TacticalJoke> Seems so: https://dev.twitter.com/oauth/overview/authentication-by-api-family
Jan 08 23:19:44 <TacticalJoke> reddit recommends that reddit clients use OAuth2.  Hope it doesn't turn out to be horribly complex.
Jan 08 23:19:53 <TacticalJoke> Otherwise, you can just use HTTPS.  :D
Jan 08 23:23:08 <groxx> HevvyMetal: http://www.venganza.org/
Jan 08 23:23:43 <HevvyMetal> cool but what does that have to do with me groxx?
Jan 08 23:24:13 <groxx> apparently you are not yet one of us.  the FSM accepts all, though.
Jan 08 23:24:29 <HevvyMetal> what is FSM groxx?
Jan 08 23:24:38 <TacticalJoke> Did you ever read the book, groxx?
Jan 08 23:24:51 <HevvyMetal> i'm a vegetarian jut not sure why you pasted that to me groxx
Jan 08 23:25:14 <groxx> TacticalJoke: alas I have not :)  my wife is short though, so she is one of the favored.  His Noodly Appendage presses down more forcefully, thus she lacks height.
Jan 08 23:25:38 <TacticalJoke> lol
Jan 08 23:25:47 <groxx> 'tis the true explanation of gravity :)
Jan 08 23:25:56 <TacticalJoke> I'd not heard that one before.  Interesting.
Jan 08 23:27:43 <TacticalJoke> Some reddit clients display imgur albums specially.  I wonder whether they use the imgur API.
Jan 08 23:28:35 <TacticalJoke> Also not sure whether to support that.  redditors could switch from imgur to something else someday.  Hmm.
Jan 08 23:29:12 <groxx> TacticalJoke: alternative deities, like Jibbers Crabst, are also acceptable: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/jibbers_crabst (possibly nsfw, depending on work policies around swearing)
Jan 08 23:29:16 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: using WebView in your app will make it seem slow anyway
Jan 08 23:31:04 <TacticalJoke> shmooz:  As far as I can see, the best I can do is give the user the option to view links either in a WebView or in an external app (e.g., a browser).
Jan 08 23:31:14 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  I'll check that out in a bit.  :)
Jan 08 23:31:42 <TacticalJoke> shmooz:  Apart from images, assuming I use ImageView specially.
Jan 08 23:32:31 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure how I'll show animated images.  Should I write code for ImageView to do that or use VideoView?
Jan 08 23:32:46 <shmooz> I wonder how hard it would be to write a basic html parser that parses just images text and links
Jan 08 23:33:12 <shmooz> so that it would be lightweight
Jan 08 23:33:30 <TacticalJoke> Some sites need JavaScript and stuff.
Jan 08 23:33:38 <TacticalJoke> To function basically, I mean.
Jan 08 23:34:03 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: you chose the wrong app to make then
Jan 08 23:34:18 <shmooz> having to have to pop up WebView will make it suck
Jan 08 23:34:22 <TacticalJoke> You're saying that anyone who writes a reddit client should also create a whole browser?
Jan 08 23:34:23 <groxx> TacticalJoke: you might be happy with a gif-image-view, or I think ffmpeg can produce a movie file -> you can play that (and ffmpeg can be compiled on android, and the licensing seems to accept GPL extensions as long as you only "call" it (e.g. exec) and don't "link" it (e.g. programmatically run methods in the binary))
Jan 08 23:34:32 <groxx> but gifs suck
Jan 08 23:36:15 <TacticalJoke> shmooz:  There are two sane options: show a WebView or start an external browser.
Jan 08 23:36:28 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: what do other clients do ?
Jan 08 23:36:31 <TacticalJoke> There are insane ones such as "bundle a third-part WebView-like thing, at the cost of around 30MB" and "create a whole web browser".
Jan 08 23:37:04 <TacticalJoke> As far as I can tell, they tend to use WebViews.
Jan 08 23:37:06 <shmooz> well then I would just link them to an external browser and not have all that garbage come into my app
Jan 08 23:37:35 <TacticalJoke> shmooz:  As stated above, I will give the user this option.
Jan 08 23:37:44 <TacticalJoke> Users could choose never to use a WebView.
Jan 08 23:38:32 <TacticalJoke> The option will be something like "Open links in: * internal browser * external browser".
Jan 08 23:38:58 <shmooz> makes sense
Jan 08 23:39:24 <shmooz> but I will avoid apps like this, that will lead me to have to link to external pages
Jan 08 23:39:46 <shmooz> I mean making apps like that
Jan 08 23:40:20 <groxx> shmooz: it's kinda implied with a reddit app
Jan 08 23:40:33 <TacticalJoke> I guess I could make the world's first reddit app that doesn't allow you to view links.  :D
Jan 08 23:41:16 <groxx> TacticalJoke: personally I usually like webviews, assuming they work for the link, and I won't do any navigation.  they're marginally faster to use and hit back.
Jan 08 23:41:41 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I use WebViews when reading reddit in a reddit app.  I don't like the UX of having to leave the app.
Jan 08 23:41:48 <groxx> Having a backup with a real web browser is always useful though
Jan 08 23:42:06 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'll show a "View in external browser" menu item in the WebView Activity.
Jan 08 23:42:11 <AndChat|726144> TacticalJoke: BaconReader always opens in internal webview, then gives you the option to open in a browser in the actionbar
Jan 08 23:42:18 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jan 08 23:42:35 <AndreYonadam> Anyway to emulate older APIs on a new android phone? I think I got my app working on API level 3 now.
Jan 08 23:42:36 <AndreYonadam> lol
Jan 08 23:43:24 <in_deep_thought> is there some kind of “first time user” instructional messages I can put into my app? like they only show up the very first time the user opens the app and then they can touch them to make them go away?
Jan 08 23:43:44 <TacticalJoke> in_deep_thought:  Yeah.  There are, in fact, libraries for fancy-looking versions of that.
Jan 08 23:43:51 <AndreYonadam> in_deep_thought: I remember there was a library that showed users how to use the app when they opened it for the first time.
Jan 08 23:44:08 <AndreYonadam> It looks just like the instructional message you get when you opened the launcher for the first time.
Jan 08 23:44:09 <in_deep_thought> TacticalJoke: good. I couldn’t find any by googling. any names?
Jan 08 23:44:23 <in_deep_thought> AndreYonadam: perfect do you remember the name?
Jan 08 23:44:41 <AndreYonadam> in_deep_thought: Not sure if this is what you are talking about: https://github.com/amlcurran/ShowcaseView
Jan 08 23:45:06 <AndreYonadam> Here's the original question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11805890/android-how-can-i-implement-first-time-tutorial-like-go-launcher-in-my-app
Jan 08 23:45:42 <in_deep_thought> AndreYonadam: thanks! gives me something to go off
Jan 08 23:45:47 <AndreYonadam> in_deep_thought: Sure
Jan 08 23:48:21 <TacticalJoke> One thing worth mentioning, though, is that it would be better to make the UI more intuitive than to show a how-to guide.
Jan 08 23:48:26 <TacticalJoke> However, this isn't always doable.
Jan 08 23:48:40 <TacticalJoke> The ideal UI would, I guess, be so obvious that a how-to guide would be redundant.
Jan 08 23:49:33 <shmooz> I like to hide stuff so they have to find it like an easter egg ;)
Jan 08 23:49:56 <shmooz> challenge them to find the way to use it
Jan 08 23:50:33 <AndreYonadam> Can I use my phone to test for lower level APIs
Jan 08 23:51:00 <shmooz> they don't appreciate you if you don't torture them a little
Jan 08 23:51:18 <AndreYonadam> what do you mean?
Jan 08 23:52:03 <TacticalJoke> He likes to torture his users so that they experience the pain of Android development vicariously.
Jan 08 23:52:57 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether there exist apps that actually try to punish users.
Jan 08 23:53:07 <ac_slater_> s
Jan 08 23:53:09 <TacticalJoke> I guess freemium apps might qualify.
Jan 08 23:53:09 <ac_slater_> oops
Jan 08 23:54:13 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: there are lots, even ones that will use electroshock therapy
Jan 09 00:04:59 <AndChat|726144> TacticalJoke: My favorite is PleasureDroid
Jan 09 00:05:10 <AndChat|726144> Though the torture might be subjective
Jan 09 00:09:56 <drose379> ok .post() does make a POST request right?
Jan 09 00:12:23 <HevvyMetal> what CI systems are people using in here?
Jan 09 00:12:48 <groxx> manual :[
Jan 09 00:13:03 <groxx> I hear Jenkins works with gradle though
Jan 09 00:13:41 <bankai_au> teamcity
Jan 09 00:16:50 <HevvyMetal> what's the best way to add an android test project/unit test project to an existing AS /gradle project and have it show up in the UI as best as possible and not just as a gradle refence
Jan 09 00:18:19 <groxx> "show up in the UI" = ?
Jan 09 00:19:51 <drose379> Does the value portion of a JSON array have to be in quotes?
Jan 09 00:20:15 <groxx> drose379: if it's a string, yes
Jan 09 00:20:43 <drose379> so the output of it should look like {"key": "Value"}
Jan 09 00:20:52 <drose379> or {"key":value}
Jan 09 00:21:39 <groxx> drose379: {"key":5} is valid, as is {"key":[1,2,3]} or {"key":{"sub":"object"}} or {"key":"value"}, yeah
Jan 09 00:21:55 <groxx> drose379: if you enjoy railroad diagrams: http://json.org/
Jan 09 00:22:10 <drose379> Ok, im having trouble getting the value into quotes in the output
Jan 09 00:22:34 <drose379> Im using this:
Jan 09 00:22:34 <drose379> userString = "{\"name\":" + userString +"}";
Jan 09 00:23:03 <drose379> But thats giving me output of {"name" : unQuotedValue}
Jan 09 00:23:34 <drose379> And when I wrap the userString in quotes, the value is literally userString in the output
Jan 09 00:24:12 <groxx> drose379: you probably want `...":\"" + userString + "\"}";` for that.  but whatever json library you're using probably has a builder-style option, which you should probably use.  e.g. just adding surrounding-quotes will break if userString includes a quote.
Jan 09 00:24:37 <drose379> Im not using a builder style
Jan 09 00:24:45 <drose379> I mean.. Im not using a Library :)
Jan 09 00:25:01 <groxx> drose379: you probably should.  there's one built in.
Jan 09 00:25:40 <drose379> Hm, ok. WIll it allow me to create a string from an array
Jan 09 00:26:11 <groxx> drose379: try `new JSONStringer().object().key("name").value(userString).endObject().toString()`
Jan 09 00:26:34 <drose379> Ok, JSONStringer
Jan 09 00:27:18 <drose379> Thank you
Jan 09 00:27:27 <groxx> tl;dr: you're building a string for a strictly-defined format, and you don't fully understand the format.  you're likely to make a mistake.  just use something that'll do it correctly for you :)
Jan 09 00:27:32 <groxx> https://developer.android.com/reference/org/json/JSONStringer.html has more info (though not a whole lot)
Jan 09 00:28:12 <drose379> Ok, gonna read up on the docs before I use it
Jan 09 00:28:17 <drose379> All the info I need should be there?
Jan 09 00:29:21 <drose379> .value method doesnt accept a String?
Jan 09 00:30:36 <AndreYonadam> Question guys. I managed to lower the needed API for my app to level 3. However some of the color references its using are minimum level 15. Is it worth it to change these to lower the version?
Jan 09 00:31:12 <groxx> drose379: Strings are Objects.  it accepts Object because it'll just call .toString() on it for you.
Jan 09 00:31:24 <drose379> Great
Jan 09 00:31:58 <groxx> AndreYonadam: as in, you're referring to android-provided colors?
Jan 09 00:32:59 <AndreYonadam> YEah like Error:Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'android:Theme.Holo'. Plus its using fragments but I don't need theme. Its only a single activity app. I don't know if its worth all of this to go down from level 15 to like 3. Most of the marketshare is android 4.0 and up. I would say around 75%+
Jan 09 00:33:52 <groxx> ah.  I think Theme.AppCompat.Holo works down to...4?  at 3 you're pretty much on your own.
Jan 09 00:34:10 <groxx> (or some other similar theme name, I don't remember it exactly)
Jan 09 00:34:32 <groxx> also I don't think the support-lib fragments work at v3, just v4+
Jan 09 00:34:40 <groxx> I could be wrong there though
Jan 09 00:34:41 <t0th_-_> hi
Jan 09 00:35:02 <AndreYonadam> groxx: https://gist.github.com/AndreYonadam/318602f8a840394679b7 these are the errors I'm getting. How much extra coverage do you think I'll get if I target api 4 instead of 15?
Jan 09 00:35:08 <t0th_-_> how o can solve this in android studio ?Error:Failed to find: com.google.android.gms:play-services:6.5.87  ?
Jan 09 00:35:14 <AndreYonadam> *not target but use as the minimum
Jan 09 00:37:07 <groxx> AndreYonadam: personally, I'd recommend 9 or 10 at a minimum if you're aiming for "reasonable low bound".  below that the usage is really tiny.  and I don't know if ActionBar is v4+ or v7+.  _those_ changes probably aren't all that hard though, you just need to make a new base theme + move your current stuff to values-vWhatever/.
Jan 09 00:37:07 <t0th_-_> any?
Jan 09 00:38:17 <groxx> t0th_-_: hm, that looks right.  is gradle in offline mode maybe?
Jan 09 00:38:24 <TacticalJoke> AndChat|726144:  Hah.
Jan 09 00:38:30 <t0th_-_> how i can see?
Jan 09 00:38:47 <groxx> t0th_-_: open preferences, search for "offline", it'll be in the gradle section
Jan 09 00:39:16 <t0th_-_> Offline work is unchecked
Jan 09 00:39:45 <AndreYonadam> groxx: Yeah I belive that I don't even need an action bar
Jan 09 00:39:55 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Also, this is a good reference for JSON in general:  http://www.json.org/
Jan 09 00:40:00 <AndreYonadam> The thing is it worth going down to 10? or should I just stick to 15
Jan 09 00:40:09 <drose379> TacticalJoke , thanks
Jan 09 00:40:23 <groxx> t0th_-_: in your build.gradle file, do you have repositories { jcenter() } ?  I would think that would be enough, but you might want to add mavenCentral() to it.
Jan 09 00:40:33 <drose379> Using JSONStringer and printing it out it only shows the string part, not the key
Jan 09 00:40:50 <drose379> But when I send the request to php, I need to use the key to access the data
Jan 09 00:40:50 <t0th_-_> i dont have jcenter()
Jan 09 00:41:03 <groxx> t0th_-_: it might be in the "root" build.gradle, not your app/build.gradle
Jan 09 00:41:09 <groxx> drose379: what's the code exactly?
Jan 09 00:41:15 <AndreYonadam> I don't know if that 7.8% extra market market
Jan 09 00:41:16 <t0th_-_> yes, i have
Jan 09 00:41:27 <t0th_-_> repositories jcenter
Jan 09 00:41:39 <AndreYonadam> is worht it. I think I'm just going to stick to API level 15
Jan 09 00:41:40 <drose379> groxx one sec ill show you
Jan 09 00:41:49 <groxx> k.  add "mavenCentral()" and re-sync.  it might just work.
Jan 09 00:43:12 <t0th_-_> remove jcentar and add mavencentral ?
Jan 09 00:43:48 <groxx> t0th_-_: no need to remove, I think.  but it does look like jcenter doesn't have play-services (I'm not _certain_, but I didn't notice it while skimming).  mavenCentral has pretty much everything.
Jan 09 00:43:57 <t0th_-_> thanks
Jan 09 00:45:03 <drose379> getting an error that my method has an uncaught exception JSONException
Jan 09 00:45:35 <drose379> But I have public String getUserInput() throws JSONException
Jan 09 00:45:51 <TacticalJoke> Is it another method that's not dealing with the exception?
Jan 09 00:46:03 <drose379> Oh, wait. Silly mistake
Jan 09 00:46:46 <HevvyMetal> $800k? http://www.jobspringpartners.com/tech-jobs/los-angeles-ca/mobile_android/ios-engineer/206332
Jan 09 00:47:13 <groxx> that's quite the range
Jan 09 00:47:42 <groxx> wait, TWO clicks to apply?  screw that (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Jan 09 00:47:54 <TacticalJoke> AndreYonadam:  Why would you want to drop minSdkVersion to 10?
Jan 09 00:48:03 <TacticalJoke> 15 should be the minimum in general.
Jan 09 00:48:08 <TacticalJoke> Some say 16 should be the minimum.
Jan 09 00:48:39 <groxx> depends on your goals :)  personally, gingerbread isn't all that hard to support, usually.  if you're making a fancy app it can be a PITA though.
Jan 09 00:48:43 <t0th_-_> not work
Jan 09 00:49:22 <groxx> t0th_-_: mind showing me the .gradle file?
Jan 09 00:49:29 <t0th_-_> yes
Jan 09 00:49:58 <t0th_-_> http://pastebin.com/wxREyG28
Jan 09 00:50:36 <t0th_-_> i change com.google.android.gms:play-services:+ and work
Jan 09 00:51:39 <drose379> groxx having some issues, trying to get you the code
Jan 09 00:53:27 <AndreYonadam> TacticalJoke: What's the difference between 15 and 16?
Jan 09 00:53:42 <groxx> t0th_-_: interesting.  that same string works for me :\  you probably don't want to leave it as "+" though, otherwise it could update randomly in the future.
Jan 09 00:53:59 <t0th_-_> yes
Jan 09 00:54:30 <TacticalJoke> Not sure.  There are things like being able to use parentActivity (I think) on 16.
Jan 09 00:54:54 <groxx> I think you can do that by hand with NavUtils though?
Jan 09 00:55:04 <groxx> it'll be ignored in the manifest at least though, yeah
Jan 09 00:55:12 <drose379> Ok so JSONStringer needs to go inside a try/catch
Jan 09 00:55:14 <TacticalJoke> parentActivityName*
Jan 09 00:55:17 <drose379> Right?
Jan 09 00:55:30 <TacticalJoke> You can, groxx, but it's simpler to only use parentActivityName.
Jan 09 00:56:01 <groxx> drose379: yeah.  it should never actually crash, if you're using a static structure (basically only errors like "called object() but not endObject()"), but you're required to by Java.
Jan 09 00:56:19 <drose379> Ok, so Im creating a string inside the try block
Jan 09 00:56:28 <drose379> But I need to access it outside the try block, so my method can return it
Jan 09 00:56:49 <drose379> I was thinking of assigning it to a public variable then returning that, but didnt work
Jan 09 00:56:55 <groxx> drose379: long story short: in Java, you're required to handle "expected" exceptions, like that one.  if it's a RuntimeException or subclass (e.g. something you can't expect at compile-time), you're not, but it can still happen.
Jan 09 00:57:05 <groxx> drose379: declare the variable outside the try{} block
Jan 09 00:57:05 <drose379> Right
Jan 09 00:57:25 <drose379> But Im doing buildString.key and .value inside the try
Jan 09 00:57:32 <drose379> So can i access it outside?
Jan 09 00:57:43 <groxx> drose379: e.g. `String result; try { result = JSONStringer.toString(); } return result;`
Jan 09 00:57:57 <TacticalJoke> Note that, generally speaking, we should do something (such as letting the user know) about an exception.  This case might be an exception (!) to that rule (I don't know -- never used JSONStringer).
Jan 09 00:58:15 <drose379> Im gonna paste my code.. one sec
Jan 09 00:58:46 <groxx> TacticalJoke: if you're "dynamically" building something with a Stringer, you can make things incorrect (like keys without values, objects that don't close, etc).  but a static construct should be 100% safe if it ever works.
Jan 09 00:58:52 <drose379> http://pastie.org/9821238
Jan 09 00:59:09 <drose379> See how I have buildString inside the try
Jan 09 00:59:18 <groxx> TacticalJoke: though technically some versions have tighter nesting limits than others (as long as you're not 20+ layers deep, that's not an issue)
Jan 09 00:59:41 <drose379> I just moved the .toString outside the try
Jan 09 01:00:23 <groxx> drose379: things declared in try { } aren't visible outside.  you just need to separate the declaration and the assignment, or you can `return stringer.toString()` though you'll still be forced to provide a fallback if an exception happens
Jan 09 01:01:30 <tnzr> what would I google if I want to have an api base url set up for debugging and a separate one set up for release, etc?
Jan 09 01:01:34 <TacticalJoke> It looks like this use of JSONException is one of those cases where it was a mistake to use checked exceptions.
Jan 09 01:01:41 <groxx> drose379: try this: http://pastie.org/private/95gfb1mqz1disseaapnndq
Jan 09 01:01:43 <TacticalJoke> I mean the creators of JSONStringer.
Jan 09 01:02:17 <groxx> TacticalJoke: mostly I think so too.  it's kinda fuzzy depending on how you think about exceptions though.
Jan 09 01:02:37 <TacticalJoke> I actually think checked exceptions are a bad idea in general.  But there are some uses that are less bad than other uses.
Jan 09 01:02:52 <drose379> groxx that would work but then I get an error cause my method is supposed to return a string and since the return is in the try
Jan 09 01:02:52 <groxx> I don't think it's intended as a "here's a super-easy json library", more of a "we should probably have a json library in Android, huh?  fiiiiiine...."
Jan 09 01:02:59 <TacticalJoke> haha
Jan 09 01:03:17 <drose379> could I just do return null
Jan 09 01:03:21 <TacticalJoke> Gson is always a nice option.
Jan 09 01:03:24 <drose379> since it would have already returned above
Jan 09 01:03:43 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  He throws in the catch, so you don't have to return anything in the catch.
Jan 09 01:03:46 <TacticalJoke> You can return or throw.
Jan 09 01:04:48 <drose379> No i mean when I return in the try, I get an error saying my method is missing return statement
Jan 09 01:05:00 <groxx> drose379: you haven't added the "throw new RuntimeException(e)" then
Jan 09 01:05:15 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  This is legal:  public String returnAString() { throw new RuntimeException(); }
Jan 09 01:05:17 <TacticalJoke> No return needed.
Jan 09 01:05:37 <drose379> Hows that work?
Jan 09 01:05:50 <drose379> Its one of those "Learn java, you dumbass" moments :)
Jan 09 01:05:57 <groxx> pretty much :)
Jan 09 01:05:57 <TacticalJoke> Exceptions enable quickly leaving a method.  Normal processing does not happen.
Jan 09 01:06:08 <TacticalJoke> So any return value would be irrelevant.
Jan 09 01:06:14 <groxx> but in this case, it's because Java requires methods to return or throw in ALL cases, and it has to be certain when it's compiled
Jan 09 01:06:22 <drose379> How does throwing a Runtime Exception have to do with returning
Jan 09 01:07:36 <groxx> because it'll stop everything and go up the call stack until it finds a catch(RuntimeException e) {} block, or crash the application if there aren't any.  the code that called getUserInput isn't even finished.
Jan 09 01:07:55 <TacticalJoke> I guess you can think of it as an alternative way of getting out of a method.
Jan 09 01:08:05 <TacticalJoke> But of course it's a way that's intended for exceptional circumstances only.
Jan 09 01:08:14 <groxx> exceptions are a way to "leave" the method call without returning anything, because they imply you shouldn't have called it, and there's no reasonable value it could return.
Jan 09 01:08:23 <drose379> Ok, app is crashing when i clck the submit button now:
Jan 09 01:08:33 <drose379> Nesting problem:
Jan 09 01:08:52 <groxx> yup.  it's because you're calling .array() and not .endArray().  and you probably want to use .object() instead of .array().
Jan 09 01:08:54 <drose379> on the throw new RuntimeException(e)
Jan 09 01:09:07 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Yeah, that's simply re-throwing another exception.
Jan 09 01:09:17 <drose379> do I have to endArray before doing to string?
Jan 09 01:09:24 <groxx> .object and .array have to be paired with a .endObject/Array call, otherwise it's not a valid json object.
Jan 09 01:09:28 <groxx> yeah
Jan 09 01:09:44 <drose379> Ah, ok
Jan 09 01:10:37 <groxx> basically, your methods are 1:1 equal to: ".object()" == "{", ".endObject()" == "}".  without the ending, it's not valid json, so it (rightfully!) throws an exception because it can't give you a string.
Jan 09 01:11:05 <drose379> Crashed again
Jan 09 01:11:08 <drose379> Now on this line:
Jan 09 01:11:15 <drose379> buildString.key("name");
Jan 09 01:11:38 <drose379> Nesting Problem again, so that means more then one exceptions were thrown\
Jan 09 01:11:59 <groxx> it doesn't mean there's more than one.
Jan 09 01:12:08 <drose379> Oh
Jan 09 01:12:27 <drose379> Ill have to look it up then
Jan 09 01:12:56 <drose379> Still dont know why that line would cause an exception, Ill look at the doc
Jan 09 01:12:57 <groxx> you might need to chain all the calls, actually - the object returned from .object() might not be the same as you called it on
Jan 09 01:13:05 <drose379> You think so?
Jan 09 01:13:43 <groxx> lemme check.  _usually_ you don't for builders, but there's no requirement.
Jan 09 01:13:52 <groxx> don't have to, that is.
Jan 09 01:14:25 <drose379> Dont have to?
Jan 09 01:14:39 <groxx> or first: what's the full exception message?  and do you have .array() still, or did you change it to .object()?  arrays don't have keys.
Jan 09 01:14:59 <drose379> .array(), I thought arrays do have keys => values
Jan 09 01:15:03 <drose379> I will change to object though
Jan 09 01:15:14 <groxx> arrays are lists of other things, not key/value pairs.  only objects are key/value pairs.
Jan 09 01:15:38 <drose379> Ok, changing to object will most likely solve the issue
Jan 09 01:16:39 <TacticalJoke> Would it be better to use Gson, BTW?
Jan 09 01:16:40 <TacticalJoke> Gson is pretty nice.
Jan 09 01:17:03 <groxx> TacticalJoke: probably overkill for a simple use.  gson mostly seems nice for larger volumes / easier parsing.
Jan 09 01:17:09 <TacticalJoke> It might not matter, but I would say that if you're gonna be doing a lot of stuff with JSON then it's worth investigating Gson.
Jan 09 01:17:11 <groxx> and afaik it's not a small library?
Jan 09 01:17:19 <TacticalJoke> It's way smaller than Jackson.
Jan 09 01:17:23 <TacticalJoke> It's only about 200KB, I think.
Jan 09 01:17:37 <groxx> "only" like a half million lines of code or so then, gotcha
Jan 09 01:17:40 <groxx> bleh
Jan 09 01:17:55 <groxx> jackson is bigger than that?
Jan 09 01:18:09 <TacticalJoke> All of Jackson is something like 2MB, if I'm not misremembering.
Jan 09 01:18:10 <drose379> ah, she works!
Jan 09 01:18:13 <TacticalJoke> misremembering*
Jan 09 01:18:23 <groxx> why the hell don't these libraries use code generation, is what I want to know
Jan 09 01:18:41 <groxx> seems pretty straightforward to convert object -> JSON stream-parsing.
Jan 09 01:19:49 <groxx> ah, right, Jackson is a "does literally everything with literally every other library" library.  abstract to the N^Nth degree.
Jan 09 01:20:01 <TacticalJoke> What do you mean by "code generation"?
Jan 09 01:21:43 <roxdragon> hi guys, can u help me? i have main.xml layout but i don't know put a ScrollView with drawer
Jan 09 01:21:54 <roxdragon> http://pastebin.com/FihsGVXj
Jan 09 01:22:33 <TacticalJoke> I'm bummed out that I can't use stream-parsing for my app.  I can't use it because reddit sends an object with "kind" name and a "data" name (where "kind" has to be parsed before "data" can be), and because it uses an object (and not an array) it's possible for "data" to appear before "kind".
Jan 09 01:22:48 <TacticalJoke> IOW, I need random access.
Jan 09 01:22:55 <TacticalJoke> reddit should use an array or something.
Jan 09 01:22:57 <HevvyMetal> that's not that hard to deal with
Jan 09 01:23:11 <HevvyMetal> i think that gson/retrofit should be able to do with it
Jan 09 01:23:26 <HevvyMetal> there are some other libraries similar to retrofit too forgtet their names someoneher might know or JakeWharton
Jan 09 01:23:26 <TacticalJoke> HevvyMetal:  But it prevents stream-parsing.
Jan 09 01:23:32 <TacticalJoke> You can't rewind the stream.
Jan 09 01:23:41 <HevvyMetal> but it's not that hard to parse json by hand either TacticalJoke
Jan 09 01:23:42 <groxx> TacticalJoke: I mean AnnotationProcessor-based code generation.  e.g. sorta like what ButterKnife does.  that way at compile time you read the classes and generate minimal parsing code.
Jan 09 01:23:54 <TacticalJoke> Well, I guess you could "stream parse" in a way, but it'd basically be using the DOM-lookup method.
Jan 09 01:23:56 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: you can't cross the streams either
Jan 09 01:24:12 <HevvyMetal> i dont think that most gson is literally stream based I think it always knows the entire "node" /entity it's on and caches that so it doesn't have to be strictly in order
Jan 09 01:24:13 <groxx> TacticalJoke: yeah, unordered does mean you're kinda stuck parsing EVERYTHING before returning.
Jan 09 01:24:15 <roxdragon> ?
Jan 09 01:24:23 <JakeWharton> HevvyMetal: wrong
Jan 09 01:24:45 <HevvyMetal> so gson requires strict ordering on the elements JakeWharton
Jan 09 01:24:45 <HevvyMetal> ?
Jan 09 01:24:49 <JakeWharton> of course not
Jan 09 01:24:57 <HevvyMetal> ok so we agree then
Jan 09 01:25:00 <JakeWharton> no, we don't
Jan 09 01:25:01 <HevvyMetal> i think
Jan 09 01:25:06 <HevvyMetal> oh what do we disagree on?
Jan 09 01:25:22 <groxx> no, you can skip the "internals" of the object, finish parsing that level of info, and rewind the stream.
Jan 09 01:25:26 <JakeWharton> your statement after which i immediately responded "wrong"
Jan 09 01:25:50 <HevvyMetal> ok well if you mean <HevvyMetal>i dont think that most gson is literally stream based I think it always knows the entire "node" /entity it's on and caches that so it doesn't have to be strictly in order
Jan 09 01:26:00 <HevvyMetal> then i'm still lost because we agree that gson doesnt have to be in order
Jan 09 01:26:04 <groxx> JakeWharton: I suppose I summoned you by mentioning ButterKnife?
Jan 09 01:26:07 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  But you can't rewind a Reader, right?
Jan 09 01:26:14 <TacticalJoke> I guess I'm thinking of Gson being given a Reader.
Jan 09 01:26:19 <groxx> apologies about that btw, unless you're interested :)
Jan 09 01:26:21 <JakeWharton> groxx: among 50 other highlights on things
Jan 09 01:26:33 <JakeWharton> HevvyMetal: he's not using object mapping which doesn't have to be in order
Jan 09 01:26:36 <groxx> TacticalJoke: depends on the reader.  streams in general: no.
Jan 09 01:26:43 <groxx> TacticalJoke: so you wrap it in a buffered stream, then yes.
Jan 09 01:26:53 <HevvyMetal> i dunno if he is or not JakeWharton
Jan 09 01:26:56 <TacticalJoke> Okay, true.
Jan 09 01:26:59 <JakeWharton> i do
Jan 09 01:27:42 <TacticalJoke> I'm using DOM-style parsing (I never know what to call it) and then randomly accessing stuff thereafter.
Jan 09 01:27:53 <JakeWharton> DOM is correct
Jan 09 01:28:19 <groxx> or maybe tree parsing is a more general term?  dunno. whatever people know works.
Jan 09 01:29:24 <TacticalJoke> In theory, I could use stream-parsing, but I'd have to build up some kind of DOM myself, and it ends up being a waste of time.
Jan 09 01:29:32 <JakeWharton> indeed
Jan 09 01:29:36 <groxx> yeah, generally
Jan 09 01:30:08 <groxx> premature optimization is the root of all evil, and whatnot
Jan 09 01:30:32 <groxx> you'll note that FSM is entirely spaghetti code at its purest.
Jan 09 01:30:44 <HevvyMetal> i'm sure thre are plenty of json parsing libraries out ther dpending what you want to do and parsing it using JSON is not that hard to do
Jan 09 01:31:17 <HevvyMetal> err JSONObject
Jan 09 01:31:21 <JakeWharton> ew
Jan 09 01:31:22 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 09 01:32:24 <HevvyMetal> hrrm JSONObject is part of the gson API?
Jan 09 01:32:28 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 09 01:32:53 <groxx> it's org.json.  a fairly ugly json parsing lib, but it does have the benefit of being pre-installed.
Jan 09 01:33:26 <HevvyMetal> http://google-gson.googlecode.com/svn/tags/1.2.3/docs/javadocs/com/google/gson/JsonObject.html
Jan 09 01:33:33 <JakeWharton> note the casing
Jan 09 01:33:55 <HevvyMetal> ok whatever sorry about the casing didn't open up the project to check been awhile since i used it
Jan 09 01:34:23 <JakeWharton> that whatever is a gigantic difference between the class to which you are referring
Jan 09 01:35:48 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  Though in some cases that could be a drawback (different behaviour with different API versions, and no easy way to get the latest updates).
Jan 09 01:36:17 <JakeWharton> heh, there's no behavior change between versions because that crap has never been updated
Jan 09 01:36:32 <JakeWharton> the level of awful is consistent across all versions!
Jan 09 01:36:36 <TacticalJoke> :D
Jan 09 01:36:43 <AndreYonadam> I don't need app compat if I'm doing 15 and up right?
Jan 09 01:36:50 <JakeWharton> AndreYonadam: not true
Jan 09 01:36:56 <JakeWharton> depending on what you want to do
Jan 09 01:36:56 <AndreYonadam> Ohh
Jan 09 01:37:29 <AndreYonadam> JakeWharton:  Just a basic activity. In what case would I need to include it?
Jan 09 01:37:56 <JakeWharton> if you want a Toolbar, or widget tinting, or a material-themed action bar
Jan 09 01:38:24 <groxx> JakeWharton: the docs mention that "old" versions used to have a limit of 20 levels of nesting (at least for the stringer).  so some amount of changes have occurred?  not that it invalidates "awful", of course :)
Jan 09 01:38:58 <JakeWharton> oh, dunno. i stopped paying attention to it long ago.
Jan 09 01:39:06 <groxx> good policy for maximum sanity :)
Jan 09 01:39:13 <groxx> or is that a lost cause too?
Jan 09 01:39:21 <AndreYonadam> JakeWharton: I'm not using any of those.
Jan 09 01:39:25 <JakeWharton> AndreYonadam: then nope!
Jan 09 01:39:30 <JakeWharton> groxx: results unclear
Jan 09 01:39:37 <AndreYonadam> Sounds good. Thanks JakeWharton
Jan 09 01:40:02 <groxx> I was sane once!  Then I started reading Android source code.
Jan 09 01:40:35 <groxx> though I guess that implies I _wasn't_ sane.  couldn't sense danger.
Jan 09 01:41:17 <JakeWharton> maybe just naive or innocent
Jan 09 01:42:06 <HevvyMetal> what do you think of REST error codes versus errorstigns? Some APIs (google maps) always return 200 and use error strings and some apis (twitter) have hundreds of different error responses?
Jan 09 01:43:28 <Chainfire> 5xx with optional error string
Jan 09 01:43:32 <Chainfire> that's just me
Jan 09 01:44:02 <AndreYonadam> Material Themed bars look great
Jan 09 01:45:03 <HevvyMetal> lots of API's return 4xx which drives me crazy
Jan 09 01:45:16 <HevvyMetal> for instance if an object doesnt exist it returns 404 (twitter)
Jan 09 01:45:30 <Chainfire> also valid
Jan 09 01:45:30 <HevvyMetal> 404 should mean the service doesnt exist
Jan 09 01:45:38 <Chainfire> as long as its not 200
Jan 09 01:45:52 <HevvyMetal> it's not really valid because it was never designed to be for applications
Jan 09 01:46:02 <HevvyMetal> well argue with google on that because google maps returns 200 Chainfire
Jan 09 01:46:08 <Chainfire> 200 + error is like your SO saying everything is "fine"
Jan 09 01:46:19 <HevvyMetal> right sayin the request and the response was fine
Jan 09 01:46:21 <HevvyMetal> it was fine
Jan 09 01:46:25 <HevvyMetal> it's not malformed
Jan 09 01:46:32 <HevvyMetal> it's like getting an empty result from a sql query
Jan 09 01:46:36 <Chainfire> its also not what was expected
Jan 09 01:46:43 <HevvyMetal> it could be expected
Jan 09 01:46:55 <Chainfire> sure, if you agree to expect it :)
Jan 09 01:46:57 <HevvyMetal> i'ts not like the endpoint was missing
Jan 09 01:47:06 <HevvyMetal> or there was a transport error
Jan 09 01:47:16 <HevvyMetal> saying "not found" is an acceptable (non error) result
Jan 09 01:47:21 <HevvyMetal> to me not found is not an error
Jan 09 01:47:24 <lewellyn> wouldn't that be a 204?
Jan 09 01:47:35 <Chainfire> now you're just debating semantics
Jan 09 01:47:51 <lewellyn> no, 204 is "No Content". not debating semantics. :P
Jan 09 01:48:06 <Chainfire> very similar ;)
Jan 09 01:48:08 <HevvyMetal> possibly in some ways but still you need an error strings anwyay
Jan 09 01:48:18 <HevvyMetal> if you query a rest for say, all posts by Foo starting with Bar
Jan 09 01:48:31 <HevvyMetal> and it returns 404 or 204 or whatever you still need to know if Foo or Bar was missing or both
Jan 09 01:49:03 <Chainfire> well then obviously in those cases, a single http error code is not sufficient for communications
Jan 09 01:49:07 <Chainfire> and thus not the right solution
Jan 09 01:50:20 <acovrig> I have an imageButton, with a high quality image (as src, not background), it appears to be a low quality image that it upscales, how can I fix this?  Googling shows BitmapFactory, isn’t that if I want to scale it in code, rather than it being a static image?
Jan 09 01:51:45 <HevvyMetal> right and it rarely is
Jan 09 01:52:09 <HevvyMetal> thats why i dont get this fetish with twitters zillions of error codes plus ones that aren't even in the RFC (like 420)
Jan 09 01:52:24 <Chainfire> I don't think there's a fetish
Jan 09 01:52:35 <HevvyMetal> well some of my ex coworkers had a fetish
Jan 09 01:52:44 <Chainfire> I think at some point somebody said "lets use http error codes for this" and then it all exploded and they never bothered to switch
Jan 09 01:52:55 <HevvyMetal> they wanted to push error codes on me which I didnt need i need an error string and they were all hung up on it
Jan 09 01:53:14 <HevvyMetal> it just makes it hard to return a JString or whatever yo uhave return an object that has an Error code and a jstring
Jan 09 01:53:24 <HevvyMetal> and it's easy enough to look for an "error" key in the json
Jan 09 01:53:35 <HevvyMetal> anyway just wondering what the latest trend in that stuff is
Jan 09 01:54:02 <HevvyMetal> for instance returning 4xx errors breakes HTTPRequest
Jan 09 01:54:06 <Chainfire> the latest trend is the same its always been... try what you think will work, and if it doesn't, switch
Jan 09 01:54:13 <HevvyMetal> and you have to look for the json in a different location than normal
Jan 09 01:54:43 <JakeWharton> 200 + semantic errors
Jan 09 01:54:48 <HevvyMetal> yeah there is a lot of randomness in rest world
Jan 09 01:54:58 <JakeWharton> 4xx is useless at application level
Jan 09 01:55:00 <HevvyMetal> right so "no result" is not a semantic error right 200?
Jan 09 01:55:12 <HevvyMetal> right but twitter uses 4xx at the application level
Jan 09 01:55:22 <JakeWharton> well that's their choice
Jan 09 01:55:25 <HevvyMetal> and my coworkers are throwing at me "so twitter AND EVERY other api does that" but it doesn't
Jan 09 01:55:56 <AndreYonadam> If I no longer rely on the app compat should I get an error if I replace "Theme.AppCompat.Light" with "Theme.AppCompat.Light"
Jan 09 01:56:14 <acovrig> is it possible to force it to use drawable-xxhdpi instead of hdpi?
Jan 09 01:56:35 <AndreYonadam> *Replace "Theme.AppCompat.Light" with
Jan 09 01:56:45 <AndreYonadam> "Theme.Holo.Light"
Jan 09 01:56:53 <HevvyMetal> since Android has "Dark" and "light" themes I've never undersatood why you can set that as a preferene system wide or have it automatically switch based on available light versus making it at the app level and hardcodig it to be light or dark am I missing something there?
Jan 09 01:57:15 <TacticalJoke> AndreYonadam:  No, you shouldn't get an error.
Jan 09 01:57:26 <AndreYonadam> I'm compiling with Level 15 so it should find it.
Jan 09 01:57:35 <AndreYonadam> I'm going to check something.
Jan 09 01:57:36 <JakeWharton> acovrig: no
Jan 09 01:57:49 <JakeWharton> if you want a higher resolution put a larger asset in the bucket or use drawable-nodpi and scale yourself
Jan 09 01:58:41 <groxx> HevvyMetal: 404 means "resource does not exist", not "server does not exist", it's exactly the right use for "tweet does not exist"
Jan 09 01:59:10 <groxx> sorry, "service", not "server"
Jan 09 01:59:20 <AndreYonadam> TacticalJoke: Forgot android:
Jan 09 01:59:29 <acovrig> JakeWharton: I have a high resolution image (used New->Image Asset (AndroidStudio)).
Jan 09 01:59:36 <HevvyMetal> no i dont think so groxx because it makes it seem like the service doesn't exist (the omplete endpoint)
Jan 09 01:59:47 <HevvyMetal> if the url is example.com/rest.api?xyz
Jan 09 01:59:49 <groxx> I do personally prefer having json-responses respond with 200 + {success: false} json though.  way way way easier to deal with e.g. error messages.
Jan 09 01:59:55 <TacticalJoke> Personally, I use "android:style/Whatever" for consistency, but I guess either way works.
Jan 09 02:00:01 <TacticalJoke> @ *
Jan 09 02:00:12 <HevvyMetal> and they type examle.com/rst.api?xyz I expect 404 to mean that the endpoint doesnt exist not that same key doesnt exist groxx
Jan 09 02:00:58 <groxx> rst.api?id=x isn't really restful.  if it were example.com/restful/<resource id> it's a little less ambiguous.
Jan 09 02:00:59 <HevvyMetal> otherwise it's hard to tell if the service is even deployed properly to me 404 is that the endpoint wasnt found not that the tweet wasnt found....
Jan 09 02:01:08 <HevvyMetal> whateer i mean that rst.api is misspelled
Jan 09 02:01:20 <HevvyMetal> and it's not true you have to use / notation either that's anotehr topic for debate
Jan 09 02:01:25 <groxx> also, I'll quote wikipedia on this: "The 404 or Not Found error message is a HTTP standard response code indicating that the client was able to communicate with a given server, but the server could not find what was requested." <- could not find what was requested == 404 == could not find tweet seems right
Jan 09 02:02:06 <HevvyMetal> groxx but what was requested is running the enpoint....it's a real stretch to graft a data transport (http) and use that as an appliaction transport
Jan 09 02:02:09 <groxx> if the service isn't deployed properly, it should be responding with other 400 errors (bad client request / malformed request), or 500 errors (server isn't home now)
Jan 09 02:02:17 <TacticalJoke> This is annoying.  reddit sometimes gives duplicate posts when I click "load more posts".  Not sure if bug in my app or bug in reddit itself.
Jan 09 02:02:19 <groxx> 404 is exactly "could not find what you requested"
Jan 09 02:02:20 <HevvyMetal> anyway you think it's ok fine but I don't think so we can just happen to diagree on that
Jan 09 02:02:25 <TacticalJoke> s/reddit sometimes gives/my app sometimes shows/
Jan 09 02:02:48 <HevvyMetal> to means it means the endpoint couldnt be found
Jan 09 02:02:55 <HevvyMetal> but whatever that's all i have on that one
Jan 09 02:03:04 <groxx> TacticalJoke: could it be due to new comments added between the first and second load?  I'm guessing they just have an offset value?
Jan 09 02:03:21 <TacticalJoke> It shouldn't be.  They have pagination which means not having to worry about that.
Jan 09 02:03:39 <TacticalJoke> I mean that it uses absolute references.
Jan 09 02:03:51 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: how does their pagination work?
Jan 09 02:04:10 <JakeWharton> what if posts switch positions between calls and you paginate?
Jan 09 02:04:38 <TacticalJoke> Every time you download a post listing, it gives you the ID of the next listing.  To get the next listing, you give this ID (but you also have to give the number of posts you've already seen).
Jan 09 02:04:48 <TacticalJoke> Ah, maybe.  Hmm.
Jan 09 02:04:51 <groxx> pagination usually means "load the next 100".  if the first 100 has gained a new one, you're now loading [99..198] instead of [100..199]
Jan 09 02:06:20 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  I guess I was assuming that they avoided any issues behind the scenes, but perhaps they just don't.
Jan 09 02:06:31 <JakeWharton> do they deal with locality of data on servers?
Jan 09 02:06:35 <TacticalJoke> If they don't, it might be a good idea for my app to not add duplicates (assuming that's not too crazy).
Jan 09 02:06:46 <JakeWharton> if you make a request do you always hit the same physical box to ensure your view is consistent?
Jan 09 02:06:55 <JakeWharton> once you start, that is
Jan 09 02:06:55 <groxx> _some_ services are nice, and return unique "continue the query I asked before" next-uris, but most don't :)
Jan 09 02:07:12 <JakeWharton> yeah. that requires them persisting a cursor of some sort usually
Jan 09 02:07:15 <HevvyMetal> yeah pagination is another gray area with rest
Jan 09 02:07:24 <TacticalJoke> I think I'll ask them.  A few hang around in #reddit-dev.
Jan 09 02:07:24 <HevvyMetal> very api dependent
Jan 09 02:07:30 <groxx> yeah.  a huge pain for them no doubt, but very nice to interact with.
Jan 09 02:07:39 <JakeWharton> you can also implement a transactional page which applies operations to the existing data
Jan 09 02:07:48 <JakeWharton> e.g., moving entry 10 to 11
Jan 09 02:08:18 <TacticalJoke> Oh, true.  :)
Jan 09 02:08:18 <screwsss> hey
Jan 09 02:08:19 <screwsss> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48202838&postcount=16
Jan 09 02:08:22 <screwsss> can this actualy lwork
Jan 09 02:08:31 <groxx> ^ yeah, and/or just don't add duplicates.  I assume they have unique IDs?  you'll have to reload the first page to get the new values, but it's less buggy _looking_ at least
Jan 09 02:09:03 <TacticalJoke> Yes, they all have unique IDs.
Jan 09 02:09:06 <JakeWharton> sure. we had a service where you sent up the IDs you knew
Jan 09 02:09:14 <JakeWharton> it would send back a map of new data and then a list of all IDs
Jan 09 02:09:34 <JakeWharton> so if positions change (based on location) you could re-sort while only downloading the new page's worth of data
Jan 09 02:09:41 <JakeWharton> worked well
Jan 09 02:09:48 <groxx> screwsss: another option is to just mute your phone.
Jan 09 02:10:03 <TacticalJoke> Interesting.
Jan 09 02:10:43 <JakeWharton> IDs usually also have a common number of characters which means they gzip well
Jan 09 02:11:38 <lasserix> screwsss: it could work but you should ask in #android-root instead
Jan 09 02:11:43 <TacticalJoke> reddit's ID system uses a base-26 numbering system.  I thought that was pretty neat.  :)
Jan 09 02:11:56 <TacticalJoke> s/numbering/numeral/
Jan 09 02:12:34 <screwsss> tried muting my phone, doesnt work sound remains. tried to turn off shutter in settings, it actually reverts back to on. i think with this particular version of my phone they deliberately force you to keep the sound
Jan 09 02:12:39 <TacticalJoke> Though I guess it's kinda obvious as well.
Jan 09 02:13:03 <TacticalJoke> screwsss:  Are you the guy who's been trying for days to remove the camera-shutter sound?  I'm starting to wonder if you're some kind of spy.  :)
Jan 09 02:13:07 <screwsss> so i tried renaming some of the .ogg files in system directory and that got rid of shutter but not the auto focus
Jan 09 02:13:16 <screwsss> hrm nope
Jan 09 02:13:20 <screwsss> different person
Jan 09 02:13:24 <TacticalJoke> Oh, okay.
Jan 09 02:13:31 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: you mean 36?
Jan 09 02:13:31 <lasserix> screwsss: keep trying one day you'll do it
Jan 09 02:13:32 <screwsss> auto focus is louder than shutter tho
Jan 09 02:13:40 <JakeWharton> 26 would be... stupid
Jan 09 02:13:41 <screwsss> i know what to do
Jan 09 02:13:49 <screwsss> i just have to unpack the apk and then mod those files and re pack it
Jan 09 02:14:01 <screwsss> i just dont know how to repack it properly
Jan 09 02:14:03 <TacticalJoke> Oops, yeah.  36.
Jan 09 02:15:28 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, 26 would seem like some kind of parody.
Jan 09 02:15:43 <groxx> screwsss: yeah, some phones do that.  you could argue shutter noise is to protect other people's privacy.  it's a little annoying to me, but meh.
Jan 09 02:16:08 <screwsss> yeh
Jan 09 02:16:14 <screwsss> but i cant take any photos of cats or babies
Jan 09 02:16:19 <groxx> heh
Jan 09 02:16:21 <screwsss> it frightens them
Jan 09 02:16:23 <groxx> it does have that problem, yeah
Jan 09 02:16:32 <screwsss> also if i have my phone on mute somehow those shutter sound effects are blazingly loud
Jan 09 02:16:38 <TacticalJoke> screwsss:  You're saying that you can't turn off the shutter sound no matter what?
Jan 09 02:16:44 <groxx> I assume snapchat avoids that, since I think they just use the preview image (and don't actually take a "photo")
Jan 09 02:16:58 <screwsss> i can get rid of the shutter but not autofocus
Jan 09 02:17:20 <screwsss> theres a directory if i can remember of the top of my head called
Jan 09 02:17:20 <groxx> if it helps: I despise autofocus sounds.
Jan 09 02:17:26 <screwsss> system/media/audio/ui
Jan 09 02:17:35 <screwsss> where i can disable some of the sounds.
Jan 09 02:17:38 <screwsss> not all
Jan 09 02:18:03 <TacticalJoke> screwsss:  Just curious -- what phone is that?
Jan 09 02:18:05 <screwsss> and even then its kinda weird, sometimes they keep playing (i assume it somehow remaps the sound effect to its own sound files inside the .apk)
Jan 09 02:18:12 <screwsss> thats why im looking for the skill to mod a system .apk
Jan 09 02:18:16 <screwsss> note 3 international version
Jan 09 02:18:44 <TacticalJoke> Every phone I've had allows silencing the camera easily.
Jan 09 02:18:50 <TacticalJoke> I've had mainly Sony Xperias, though.
Jan 09 02:18:53 <lasserix> screwsss: have you tried an app designed for this?
Jan 09 02:19:02 <screwsss> ive tried several
Jan 09 02:19:06 <screwsss> apps that promised me a silent camera
Jan 09 02:19:09 <screwsss> and no dice
Jan 09 02:19:17 <lasserix> or if you've rooted with cynogenmod
Jan 09 02:19:18 <screwsss> i even tried the wanam xposed thing
Jan 09 02:19:20 <screwsss> didnt work either
Jan 09 02:19:23 <lasserix> it allows you too
Jan 09 02:19:26 <groxx> I've used an LG that would make shutter noises in any app
Jan 09 02:19:27 <screwsss> ive rooted with towel root
Jan 09 02:19:35 <HevvyMetal> so groxx if you always do rest with /this/that/theother then how do you do or queries? at some point you need &= or pass things in some other way right?
Jan 09 02:19:47 <screwsss> so i managed to eliminate the shutter sound but autofocus sound remains
Jan 09 02:20:30 <lasserix> you're on the way! keep doing what you are doing
Jan 09 02:20:40 <lasserix> whatever you did for shutter sound will probaly work for autofocus
Jan 09 02:20:56 <groxx> HevvyMetal: eh.  it's just that _most_ rest-ful APIs I've dealt with have ands as /paths/.  query params are still useful, since otherwise you have to do weirdly horrible hacks like /or_<param>/etc.
Jan 09 02:20:56 <HevvyMetal> unless the autofocus motor itself is making the noise
Jan 09 02:21:58 <groxx> HevvyMetal: also there's some level of implication that /path/file.html <- path is more likely to exist as it could have multiple endpoints, where ?a=b is very clearly a "this thing might not exist, look it up for me"
Jan 09 02:22:08 <groxx> HevvyMetal: not that that's codified, obviously.  and it might just be me.
Jan 09 02:22:34 <HevvyMetal> still why should it return a 404 if the path to the endpoint exists but the ?data=foo doesn't?
Jan 09 02:23:07 <HevvyMetal> when the rfc was written it was for actual (or virtual objects) to be found....no whether the .php decides it didnt find anything
Jan 09 02:23:09 <HevvyMetal> but we
Jan 09 02:23:13 <HevvyMetal> so many standards to choose from
Jan 09 02:26:17 <TacticalJoke> Okay, spoke with someone on reddit who seems to think that those posts are simply dropping down the list.  Makes sense; not sure why I didn't think about it (probably because I'm rushing to add a million features).
Jan 09 02:28:20 <HevvyMetal> what is it you are writing anyway TacticalJoke ?
Jan 09 02:28:22 <TacticalJoke> I guess the simplest solution is just not to add duplicates.  One issue, though, is that it would be possible for all 25 "new" posts to be duplicates.
Jan 09 02:28:25 <TacticalJoke> A reddit app.
Jan 09 02:28:42 <TacticalJoke> Though if I move the duplicates then there'd still be a UI update in that case.
Jan 09 02:28:42 <HevvyMetal> just for the fun of it or what? isn't there a reddit app already TacticalJoke ?
Jan 09 02:28:47 <TacticalJoke> It'd just be a bunch of stuff moving.  lol
Jan 09 02:28:55 <TacticalJoke> I've never used a reddit app I like, to be honest.
Jan 09 02:29:00 <TacticalJoke> I'm hoping to make the first one that I like.
Jan 09 02:29:07 <TacticalJoke> And people who are as weird as I am might also like it.
Jan 09 02:29:13 <TacticalJoke> So far, I really like the app.
Jan 09 02:30:37 <TacticalJoke> The main goals are: being easy to read even on a small screen, being fun to use, being super-fast.
Jan 09 02:31:22 <TacticalJoke> And "fun" doesn't mean annoying animations or something.  It means that the UI looks and feels so nice that you can enjoy it for hours.
Jan 09 02:32:07 <TacticalJoke> The UI also needs to be minimal, because reddit is so 'loud'.
Jan 09 02:33:12 <chars6> TacticalJoke: fixing the listview seems to have broken something in my onitemclicklistener
Jan 09 02:33:44 <chars6> when i create easch list item i give it an id and title. the title is set to the text and the id to it's tag
Jan 09 02:34:01 <rumpler> Quick question: Is there any way to simulate a monospace font in notifications? (I want to show table-eque data of Date, Title, $ amount, but the default notification font doesn't line things up neatly)
Jan 09 02:34:02 <chars6> it's displaying the text correctly, so i assume the tag is also applied
Jan 09 02:34:33 <chars6> but when i try to retrieve either with a view.getText/Tag i'm getting a null pointer exception
Jan 09 02:35:06 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Could you post the code?
Jan 09 02:35:15 <chars6> sure, 1 sec
Jan 09 02:38:07 <chars6> TacticalJoke: here is my activity and array adapter. it's the same code that i was using this afternoon
Jan 09 02:38:58 <chars6> at the bottom of the main activity is some commented code, it's just trying to getTag instead of getText of the same view
Jan 09 02:39:25 <TacticalJoke> Did you post the link?
Jan 09 02:39:27 <chars6> and i commented out the text creating a new activity. it's just trying to create a toast
Jan 09 02:39:37 <chars6> oh, err: http://pastebin.com/VyMfXgZ0
Jan 09 02:39:58 <chars6> why is it named toast anyway?
Jan 09 02:40:13 <g00s> TacticalJoke seems like the problem was the name (reddit sync)
Jan 09 02:40:34 <screwsss> sorry guys got distracted on facebook (groan)
Jan 09 02:40:43 <screwsss> HevvyMetal: no autofocus motor on thisunit
Jan 09 02:40:48 <g00s> which means, i guess, the other 20 reddit readers are going to have rename their apps
Jan 09 02:40:52 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  So this part is throwing an NPE?  String display = view.getText().toString();
Jan 09 02:40:56 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Yeah.
Jan 09 02:40:57 <screwsss> lasserix: whatever i did for shutter is definitely not working for autofocus
Jan 09 02:41:18 <HevvyMetal> what did you do for shutter screwsss ?
Jan 09 02:41:48 <chars6> TacticalJoke: yes.
Jan 09 02:42:02 <TacticalJoke> chars6:   'view' will be your LinearLayout.
Jan 09 02:42:56 <TacticalJoke> You should probably use 'position' and the data (list/array/whatever) to get what you need.
Jan 09 02:44:01 <TacticalJoke> So I guess "items[position]".
Jan 09 02:44:06 <chars6> TacticalJoke: why was it working before?
Jan 09 02:45:54 <TacticalJoke> Did you use to have only a TextView in your row-layout XML file while now you have a LinearLayout/RelativeLayout/whatever with a TextView child?
Jan 09 02:46:10 <TacticalJoke> That 'view' parameter is whatever you return from getView.
Jan 09 02:46:32 <chars6> TacticalJoke: yes i did. that's probably it
Jan 09 02:47:03 <chars6> TacticalJoke: is it bad form to have textviews outisde of layouts?
Jan 09 02:47:09 <groxx> TacticalJoke: re "all 25 are duplicates": I don't see why not.  unlikely, certainly.  but that shouldn't matter as long as you keep loading more.  it's just a bigger (100% unavoidable!) delay than normal.
Jan 09 02:47:18 <TacticalJoke> I don't think it's bad form to have a single TextView in a layout, no.
Jan 09 02:47:24 <TacticalJoke> In fact, sometimes that's really good for performance.
Jan 09 02:47:54 <groxx> wait, textviews outside of layouts?  how does that happen?
Jan 09 02:47:55 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i know i can move up with getParent or something similar to that. is there a command to move down a level?
Jan 09 02:48:01 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  That's true -- I could see how many were actually added and just go again if none were added.
Jan 09 02:48:15 <chars6> TacticalJoke: maybe just view.findViewById ?
Jan 09 02:48:17 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  I think he means a single TextView in a layout rather than a ViewGroup containing a TextView.
Jan 09 02:48:42 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  There's also getChildAt.
Jan 09 02:48:43 <chars6> TacticalJoke: groxx yeah, thats what i meant
Jan 09 02:48:52 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  But I think it's best to use items[position] really.
Jan 09 02:49:06 <chars6> ok
Jan 09 02:49:13 <TacticalJoke> If you don't use items[position] then your code is fragile.  Anytime you change getView's return value your code might break.
Jan 09 02:49:46 <chars6> i'll stick to that then
Jan 09 02:49:49 <chars6> thanks
Jan 09 02:49:54 <groxx> TacticalJoke: generally I do "load more" checks with "am I within X screens of the bottom".  since adding nothing would still mean "within X of the bottom", I'd just continue loading.  since I tend to do that on scroll, I do usually have to add an explicit check after the "load more" has finished to handle zero-content cases, but it works out pretty simply.
Jan 09 02:50:26 <TacticalJoke> Ah, yeah.  I actually have a "load more" button right now but I'll probably get rid of it and do auto-load-more.  :)
Jan 09 02:50:28 <screwsss> hey heavy
Jan 09 02:50:32 <screwsss> HevvyMetal: basically
Jan 09 02:50:44 <TacticalJoke> I like the simplicity of the button, but it's tedious.
Jan 09 02:51:07 <groxx> TacticalJoke: buttons work too.  I usually find them slightly annoying (but better than nothing), but they do make infinite loops explicit :)
Jan 09 02:51:14 <TacticalJoke> :D
Jan 09 02:51:39 <TacticalJoke> If I do auto-load-more, I might add a "no more" view at the bottom.
Jan 09 02:51:43 <groxx> but yeah, I'd start a second if they were all duplicates (and a third, and a fourth, and then I'd probably kill it because I assume it won't work)
Jan 09 02:51:44 <TacticalJoke> Some subreddits, for example, suddenly stop.
Jan 09 02:51:59 <TacticalJoke> Right.  Thanks.
Jan 09 02:52:19 <groxx> it's weird how much I like "no more" views.  but I do.
Jan 09 02:52:37 <groxx> otherwise I'm always wondering if I'm at the end, or if it's just loading, or if my signal just flaked out...
Jan 09 02:53:08 <screwsss> i went into /system/media/audio/ui/
Jan 09 02:53:10 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, otherwise users might end up scrolling up and down trying to get more.  Confusing.
Jan 09 02:53:25 <screwsss> HevvyMetal: /system/media/audio/ui/ and i changed the file extention (aka, i disabled the sound byte) there
Jan 09 02:54:31 <TacticalJoke> The reddit client I currently use just arbitrarily stops loading more sometimes.
Jan 09 02:54:33 <TacticalJoke> I guess it's a bug.
Jan 09 02:54:39 <TacticalJoke> Restarting the activity fixes it.  lol
Jan 09 02:54:46 <HevvyMetal> what does that have to do with android devellopment screwsss ? it sounds like you are hacking a custom /rooted system for the stock photo stuf screwsss?
Jan 09 02:55:02 <TacticalJoke> I just need to make a few changes and then I can use mine for everything.
Jan 09 02:58:11 <groxx> TacticalJoke: exactly!  it's a nice "good job, you beat Reddit" indicator, not "ur internets suck"
Jan 09 02:58:59 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure whether to implement a local storage of subreddits.  I mean, I'm guessing most redditors just use reddit's "subscribe" function, but I wonder whether some people want the ability to local-subscribe.
Jan 09 02:59:17 <screwsss> stock photo
Jan 09 02:59:20 <groxx> you're dealing with redditors.  they seem to be feature-obsessed, and vocal about it.
Jan 09 02:59:43 <screwsss> HevvyMetal: when i learn this then i can move forward with learning to develop android features
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