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Jan 29 03:34:32 <groxx> that's a fantastic domain name xD
Jan 29 04:15:02 <g00s> oh man, forget kotlin https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC
Jan 29 04:16:03 <g00s> it's showtime
Jan 29 04:31:04 <njcomsec> in the sdk manager... do i only need the latest build tools? (under Tools), or do i need to download the build tools for every API i want to build for(minimum api)
Jan 29 04:31:44 <njcomsec> i seem to remember being able to build for lower APIs using only the latest build tools but just want to check
Jan 29 04:32:15 <pfn> latest
Jan 29 04:32:50 <njcomsec> thanks
Jan 29 04:43:19 <groxx> g00s: I assume you've seen lolcode?  http://lolcode.org/
Jan 29 04:44:00 <groxx> I kinda wanna make an android variant of it, just to write a lolcat app in it.
Jan 29 04:44:14 <g00s> yeah this has been around for a while
Jan 29 04:44:54 <g00s> BUKKIT CheezBurger
Jan 29 05:19:51 <Mad3ngineer_> Hey, I am working on an android app using OpenGL ES and I would like to be able to use android's default UI system layerd on top of the render. I understand that I may be able to do this with ViewGroup... Are there any good tutorials on this? I have looked at the javadoc and haven't been able to make much sense of how to do this with my GLSurfaceView. I would also like to make sure that any touch events not handled by buttons
Jan 29 05:19:51 <Mad3ngineer_> on the UI are sent to my touchmanager for the game.
Jan 29 05:20:12 <Mad3ngineer_> In addition, is GestureDetector what most devs use for touch response themselves?
Jan 29 05:20:25 <Mad3ngineer_> Thanks in advance, and sorry for long read
Jan 29 05:41:45 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: I haven't used GLSurfaceView, but this might get you going: https://gist.github.com/Groxx/bc09cc690974479ff9df
Jan 29 05:42:04 <Mad3ngineer_> thanks groxx! I'll read through that
Jan 29 05:42:49 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: since GLSurfaceView appears in the XML before the Button, the button will be drawn over it.  if you add a click listener on the button, the button will handle clicks - anything else _should_ fall through to the FrameLayout, which can forward events to wherever you need (set an onTouchListener)
Jan 29 05:43:55 <Mad3ngineer_> ah, right. Thank you so much
Jan 29 05:43:57 <groxx> I'm still figuring out the details of touch handling in android, unfortunately - not sure I can give you too many good suggestions beyond that :)  check the developer.android.com site's tutorials / etc, they're pretty good.  and the sample code.
Jan 29 05:44:34 <Mad3ngineer_> haha yeah, I am trying to use GestureDetector and ScaleGestureDetector, implementing those.
Jan 29 05:46:43 <groxx> yeah, probably start off extending SimpleGestureDetector, and working from there.  I've got a few gesturedetectors working "together" in a reasonably complex view at the moment, but it feels pretty far from ideal - I'm not convinced it's the right approach.
Jan 29 05:47:30 <Mad3ngineer_> I'll read into it a bit. I am not happy with mine either... I still don't fully understand the whole system, but until I understand it, it is held together using staples and super glue xP
Jan 29 05:47:42 <Mad3ngineer_> When I get the hang of it, I'll go back and clean up
Jan 29 05:48:35 <groxx> :) one valuable thing / source of trouble that I didn't catch earlier on: parent-views can intercept touch events in onInterceptTouchEvent (or something similar), and children can requestDisallowTouchInterception(true|false).  you can do some reasonably crazy stuff with that, for good or bad
Jan 29 05:49:58 <Mad3ngineer_> hmm, may be useful for some cases, but I don't think that would be an everyday thing
Jan 29 06:18:13 <LFS> how can I to backup the entire phone into img files?
Jan 29 06:22:34 <knapper_tech> I'm playing around with some RxJava and planning out UI rotations.  I have some URL requests that I'd like not to kill on rotation for instance if the user is loading a web page
Jan 29 06:23:23 <knapper_tech> I believe I can set up the requests to monitor progress so that if the subscriber cancels the subscription, the http request just stops itself too.  onprogress etc.
Jan 29 06:25:43 <groxx> LFS: try #android-dev
Jan 29 06:27:54 <njcomsec> this is android-dev
Jan 29 06:27:55 <LFS> groxx: android-dev is full of fuckers like you
Jan 29 06:28:13 <Mad3ngineer_> dude..
Jan 29 06:28:24 <njcomsec> facepalm
Jan 29 06:28:29 <groxx> LFS: uh huh. because that'll help.
Jan 29 06:28:37 <groxx> just mistyped.
Jan 29 06:28:41 <LFS> groxx: ok mother fucker
Jan 29 06:28:49 <Mad3ngineer_> if you want an answer to your question about backing up an entire phone to image files, thats not the way to ask
Jan 29 06:29:17 <Mad3ngineer_> i mean, you can ask if you want, using that technique, but have fun waiting for an answer
Jan 29 06:30:57 <LFS> Mad3ngineer_: as if I give a fuck!!!
Jan 29 06:31:29 <Mad3ngineer_> dude, if you dont care then why are you still here waiting for an answer?
Jan 29 06:33:00 <Mad3ngineer_> groxx, I am working on getting GLSurfaceView integrated with the system, I seem to have it all XML coded properly, but the GLSurfaceView file... I screwed something up. I am getting java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'void android.opengl.GLSurfaceView$GLThread.surfaceCreated()' on a null object reference. Here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/eNAed4Ss
Jan 29 06:33:20 <groxx> right after I did my first ignore too.  thanks SimonVT :)
Jan 29 06:33:28 <Mad3ngineer_> thanks SimonVT!
Jan 29 06:34:34 <SimonVT> He seemed pleasant
Jan 29 06:34:38 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: hm. I'll have to sleep pretty soon, but...
Jan 29 06:34:49 <Mad3ngineer_> yeah, no frets man. if you don't wanna answer, its all good
Jan 29 06:34:50 <groxx> are you calling on created yourself?
Jan 29 06:35:07 <groxx> sorry, surface created.
Jan 29 06:35:13 <Mad3ngineer_> you mean onSurfaceCreated?
Jan 29 06:35:39 <Mad3ngineer_> should I be super.onSurfaceCreated() for all of those methods?
Jan 29 06:36:04 <Mad3ngineer_> err, that doesnt work...
Jan 29 06:36:06 <groxx> it says it tried to call surfaceCreated when it crashed.
Jan 29 06:36:25 <groxx> if you can, generally you do.  that might be an interface though
Jan 29 06:37:00 <Mad3ngineer_> ah, yeah, its an interface. no super. and yeah though, I'm not sure why it is crashing it. What should I have instead of super.onSurfaceCreated?
Jan 29 06:37:09 <groxx> I *suspect* you haven't fully set up the glsurfaceview, and the crash is the result.  like it's missing a listener or something.
Jan 29 06:37:31 <groxx> but I haven't used it.
Jan 29 06:37:50 <Mad3ngineer_> OOOOH wow I forgot to set the renderer
Jan 29 06:37:52 <groxx> gotta recommend docs / sample code / google, sorry :/
Jan 29 06:37:58 <Mad3ngineer_> a simple setGLRenderer(this)
Jan 29 06:37:58 <Mad3ngineer_> haha
Jan 29 06:38:16 <Mad3ngineer_> the days of being a new android developer... Thanks for all the help man :)
Jan 29 06:38:26 <Mad3ngineer_> groxx, if you are googling, i fixed it
Jan 29 06:38:39 <groxx> np :)
Jan 29 06:39:11 <Mad3ngineer_> ah there we go. seems to be working now
Jan 29 06:40:38 <KALIN> SimonVT: I'm not wondering that you can kick, all asses do :) including your father and mother
Jan 29 06:40:42 <KALIN> asses family
Jan 29 06:40:56 <KALIN> how many other fucking nicks do you want me to come with?
Jan 29 06:40:59 <KALIN> you piece of shit
Jan 29 06:41:04 <KALIN> mother fuckers
Jan 29 06:41:14 <Mad3ngineer_> KALIN do you have nothing better to do than whine about getting kicked?
Jan 29 06:41:16 <KALIN> kick this one too you sick fuck donkey
Jan 29 06:41:20 <KALIN> I will come with anothr
Jan 29 06:41:24 <KALIN> you piece of shit
Jan 29 06:41:25 <KALIN> lol
Jan 29 06:41:27 <KALIN> kick now
Jan 29 06:41:31 <KALIN> hey ass
Jan 29 06:41:38 <KALIN> you bitch ass
Jan 29 06:41:39 <Mad3ngineer_> dude you have no life
Jan 29 06:41:42 <Mad3ngineer_> you need one
Jan 29 06:41:47 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: glad to hear it :) hope your evening goes productively, I'm off o/
Jan 29 06:41:58 <Mad3ngineer_> aight, get some rest groxx :)
Jan 29 06:42:05 <SimonVT> Please just ignore him :)
Jan 29 06:42:33 <Mad3ngineer_> ok SimonVT
Jan 29 06:45:04 <Li> no i have no life with mother fuckers like you ... in perfect world I fuck your face off if you talk to me like that but it's your good luck hidding behind keyboards you sick mother fucker bastards
Jan 29 06:45:08 <Li> kick again now
Jan 29 06:45:11 <Li> my ass
Jan 29 06:45:14 <Li> fuckers
Jan 29 06:45:28 <deuteros__> Li: don't you have school tomorrow?
Jan 29 06:45:41 <Mad3ngineer_> oh god this is funny xD
Jan 29 06:45:49 <Mad3ngineer_> he described what he is doing
Jan 29 06:46:01 <SimonVT> Please just ignore him, deuteros__
Jan 29 06:46:15 <deuteros__> I wish irc supported hellbanning
Jan 29 06:46:19 <Mad3ngineer_> ^
Jan 29 06:46:19 <deuteros__> best way to deal with these idiots
Jan 29 06:46:44 <Mad3ngineer_> I wonder how long this is going to last
Jan 29 06:47:15 <Mad3ngineer_> New drinking game: take a shot for every time he makes a new nick
Jan 29 06:51:05 <TacticalJoke> The Visual Studio homepage shows an Android (emulator/simulator) screenshot: http://www.visualstudio.com/
Jan 29 06:51:56 <Mad3ngineer_> heh
Jan 29 07:20:56 <shmoon_> yo guys
Jan 29 07:21:02 <shmoon_> having fun with android?
Jan 29 07:21:37 <Mad3ngineer_> trying to figure out why setRequestedUiOrientation() doesnt work'
Jan 29 07:22:19 <shmoon_> Sorry, neverworked with that method :)
Jan 29 07:22:28 <Mad3ngineer_> yeah, ill figure it out :)
Jan 29 07:22:40 <shmoon_> I'm working with PreferenceFragment at the moment, and trying to understand if I could use one of the objects to achieve image uploads (profile pics)
Jan 29 07:22:52 <shmoon_> or should I just custom code my preference screen with my ownset of view objects in a lyout
Jan 29 07:23:07 <Mad3ngineer_> I cannot say... I am just getting into android's UI system
Jan 29 07:23:15 <Mad3ngineer_> that stuff is all beyond me
Jan 29 07:23:33 <Mad3ngineer_> I am trying to layer a UI system on top of a GLSurfaceView
Jan 29 07:24:53 <Mad3ngineer_> I am very curious... How can I use one activity's xml file to store the data for multiple menus in a game, then switch between them?
Jan 29 07:25:09 <Mad3ngineer_> such as having your main FrameLayout, then the GLSurfaceView, then the different menus
Jan 29 07:30:16 <d0LLy> Hi, i'm currently programming java/android. There is just one thing i don't undestand about programming in general. How am I supposed to find all the right libraries and useful/important commands to achieve my goal. My approach is to look for tutorials, but how do they know? I can't just read random library docs.
Jan 29 07:30:51 <Levite> By Googling it usually
Jan 29 07:31:32 <Levite> Oracle has the Java docs and developer.android.com has the Android specific stuff
Jan 29 07:31:49 <d0LLy> Yeah, that i mean by 'tutorials'. 'Googling and see how other people solved it'
Jan 29 07:32:26 <Levite> There isn't an abundance of high quality Android tutorials out there unfortunately
Jan 29 07:32:56 <Levite> The Big Nerd Ranch book might be helpful if you want a well rounded introduction
Jan 29 07:35:38 <d0LLy> So someone is writing a good library. It happens that a random guy picks up that random library and writes his random solution for a random problem. Now this guy is either writing an online post or a book. Really?
Jan 29 07:36:04 <sci-fi> good morning everyone , can i change a viewpager's shadow that appears on the last item (if try to get next an ellipse shadow appears)
Jan 29 07:37:45 <Levite> I believe it's the ScrollView that draws that, different versions of android show different things
Jan 29 07:38:34 <TacticalJoke> d0LLy:  I can't tell what you're asking.
Jan 29 07:43:05 <d0LLy> TacticalJoke: So, hence i want to create an interface with Java. How should/can i know that something like android.wdget.RelativeLayout or android.widget.Button exists?
Jan 29 07:43:25 <deuteros__> d0LLy: By reading the docs?
Jan 29 07:43:58 <Mad3ngineer_> if you have a good IDE, it looks things up for you in the libraries and shows you possible classes to use
Jan 29 07:44:19 <Mad3ngineer_> auto importing, and other stuff... not sure if that is the answer you want
Jan 29 07:45:07 <SimonVT> By reading tutorials, by going through the javadocs, by googling specific problems and seeing what solutions others have come up with.. Lots of ways
Jan 29 07:45:08 <njcomsec> having some android dev books helps a lot
Jan 29 07:45:49 <vintz__> (not sure if my msg sent, i think i got d/ced). does anyone know if using Volley RequestQueue will do http pipelining?
Jan 29 07:45:51 <Mad3ngineer_> I have started with basic Java knowlege and google seems to be doing it for me... then again I am no big successful android dev... yet :)
Jan 29 07:45:53 <d0LLy> deuteros__: That's my point. this was a really basic and easy example. There are more complex/random tasks than creating an interface.
Jan 29 07:46:11 <Mad3ngineer_> d0lly, googling is the only sure answer
Jan 29 07:46:18 <TacticalJoke> d0LLy:  What is your point?  I don't understand.  :)
Jan 29 07:46:20 <Odaym> morning
Jan 29 07:46:24 <njcomsec> no one said it would be easy to make apps
Jan 29 07:46:26 <Odaym> well, for me anyways
Jan 29 07:46:39 <Odaym> no one said it would be eaasssaaayyy
Jan 29 07:46:47 <Odaym> such a shame for us to paaart
Jan 29 07:46:48 <Odaym> haha
Jan 29 07:47:08 <Mad3ngineer_> you are asking a wide question and the answer is to google things. You always have internet, right? So using google isn't a problem :)
Jan 29 07:47:09 <deuteros__> There are two dimensions: 1) having an idea of what exists (broad) and 2) knowing how to implement it (deep)
Jan 29 07:47:23 <Mad3ngineer_> ^ good analogy
Jan 29 07:47:29 <njcomsec> programming is problem solving
Jan 29 07:47:38 <deuteros__> Use tutorials and books to get a lay of the land, then use google and dig into a specific topic
Jan 29 07:47:40 <Odaym> why are we talking about meta-things?
Jan 29 07:47:42 <d0LLy> Mad3ngineer_: Okay, google. But how do the ones posting the solutions know the libraries/methods to use?
Jan 29 07:47:45 <Mad3ngineer_> except we dont only solve the problems
Jan 29 07:47:48 <Mad3ngineer_> but we also make them!
Jan 29 07:47:54 <Mad3ngineer_> sometimes unintentionally
Jan 29 07:48:10 <Mad3ngineer_> d0LLy all of the libraries are out there
Jan 29 07:48:17 <Mad3ngineer_> those people probably googled to get the solution
Jan 29 07:48:28 <njcomsec> but how does google know? lol
Jan 29 07:48:32 <njcomsec> google so smart
Jan 29 07:48:38 <Odaym> nah man
Jan 29 07:48:42 <Odaym> one second
Jan 29 07:49:00 <Mad3ngineer_> the better question is, how does the website google links to know? Because someone wrote it. and google links to it because of web crawlers :)
Jan 29 07:49:04 <d0LLy> Mad3ngineer_: So they just randomly come across a good solution and this will information will spread.
Jan 29 07:49:15 <Mad3ngineer_> dolly i am going to give you a very helpful link
Jan 29 07:49:17 <Mad3ngineer_> http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Jan 29 07:49:31 <njcomsec> im sure there are people who study the docs and experiment all day
Jan 29 07:49:42 <TacticalJoke> Sites such as StackOverflow have a voting system.
Jan 29 07:49:44 <Mad3ngineer_> read through this, and it has everything you will need for basic app development. If you get a problem you cant solve and need a new api function,
Jan 29 07:49:48 <Mad3ngineer_> go to stackoverflow
Jan 29 07:49:49 <TacticalJoke> It's not bullet-proof, but it works quite well.
Jan 29 07:50:13 <Mad3ngineer_> but really, that site has pretty much everything... God google did a good job documenting
Jan 29 07:50:17 <Odaym> no one studies the docs man
Jan 29 07:50:31 <njcomsec> no one?
Jan 29 07:50:35 <Odaym> no one.
Jan 29 07:50:36 <Mad3ngineer_> im sure someone does
Jan 29 07:50:43 <Odaym> it's just that the way of figuring out a problem varies from one person to the other, for some people getting an SO answer is enough
Jan 29 07:50:56 <Odaym> for others, figuring out primarily what a View is, then going from there, that's their way
Jan 29 07:50:57 <Mad3ngineer_> either way yeah odaym i agree though...
Jan 29 07:51:04 <Odaym> the latter get more knowledge, you get a tiny answer
Jan 29 07:51:20 <Mad3ngineer_> for everyday programming, it is more effective to get the tiny answer
Jan 29 07:51:23 <Odaym> they are more passionate about it than you, easy
Jan 29 07:51:27 <Mad3ngineer_> i assume thats your point
Jan 29 07:51:28 <njcomsec> i think the point is, there is no magical voice going to tell you exactly what you need all the time
Jan 29 07:51:34 <Mad3ngineer_> ^
Jan 29 07:51:52 <Mad3ngineer_> being a program is figuring out what your problem is and figuring a way to solve it or divide it into smaller problems
Jan 29 07:52:02 <TacticalJoke> Same with life in general, of course.
Jan 29 07:52:08 <Mad3ngineer_> sure
Jan 29 07:52:17 <TacticalJoke> No magic man waiting to answer your questions.
Jan 29 07:52:24 <Mad3ngineer_> sadly, no xP
Jan 29 07:52:29 <Odaym> man!
Jan 29 07:52:48 <Odaym> I've been programming Android for like say 2 years, ok
Jan 29 07:53:05 <Odaym> great, the ONLY stackoverflow contribution I made was facilitating a question taht someone here had the solution to
Jan 29 07:53:19 <d0LLy> njcomsec: Seems like there are people who study random docs. Thanks.
Jan 29 07:53:41 <Odaym> and that's after alll of the things I've tried and done. someone who will write Otto or whatever, these people have studied wayyyyyy more than you
Jan 29 07:53:58 <Odaym> its only fair
Jan 29 07:54:18 <Odaym> but you are hit with end results, like a stackoverflow answer, and you assume this guy is no better than you..HE IS!
Jan 29 07:54:22 <fakey> step 1: know what you want to do. step 2: google solutions. step 3: pick one or a mixture and try it. step 4: google again and find an api that does what you want and wish you saw first off. step 5: be happy you tried it yourself first because you learned something.
Jan 29 07:54:37 <Odaym> this has been discussed here for so long
Jan 29 07:54:42 <Mad3ngineer_> i know...
Jan 29 07:54:49 <fakey> step 6: post your solution in a blog
Jan 29 07:55:01 <Mad3ngineer_> I seriously need some sleep
Jan 29 07:55:05 <TacticalJoke> Asking here is also good.
Jan 29 07:55:15 <TacticalJoke> Or on SO or /r/androiddev, I guess.
Jan 29 07:55:24 <Mad3ngineer_> I got some helpful answers. but you have to be spefific, not such a wide problem
Jan 29 07:55:58 <Odaym> the thing that I do the most is the following. When I'm googling for looking for a solution to some problem and I am faced with the solution that I sense is the most appropriate, I try that solution and I dont switch solutions when something comes up in the primary solution
Jan 29 07:56:10 <Odaym> I keep on the one that everybody says "this is the way it should be done"
Jan 29 07:56:14 <Odaym> until it's done
Jan 29 07:56:37 <Odaym> switching solutions will end up giving me some shitty workaround that will always make me feel bad that I chose it
Jan 29 07:57:34 <Odaym> it's just a matter of knowing how much you dont know
Jan 29 07:57:42 <Odaym> yep
Jan 29 07:58:13 <SimonVT> It's a matter of not spending your time coming up with solutions for problems that have already been solved
Jan 29 07:58:24 <Mad3ngineer_> One of the things I am starting to learn as a programmer is to limit the scope of your code to what you need.... Here I am having tinkered with java for 3 or 4 years, and I am just starting to realise that... Anyone else have to learn that?
Jan 29 07:58:32 <Odaym> you can't say that outright, no
Jan 29 07:58:53 <Odaym> cause people who create code are the ones who know the exact meaning of not attempting to reinvent the wheel
Jan 29 07:59:08 <Odaym> like say I want a gridview for my app, something that will allow me to rearrange the cells drag and drop and have them wiggle
Jan 29 07:59:31 <Odaym> instantly I google for that. imagine there is no library for that. what do I do? I dont implement it, cause I have NO idea where to start with something like that
Jan 29 07:59:52 <Odaym> that's the difference between me and a person who has written drag-n-drop gridview
Jan 29 08:00:09 <Odaym> we are not equal at all
Jan 29 08:01:06 <Odaym> there are few who are really hackers nowadays
Jan 29 08:01:11 <rclsilver> hi.. i've a question.. i known that it is impossible to have a full persistent service, but i would like to known what is the way to have a "persistent" content observer?
Jan 29 08:01:17 <Odaym> we are just users for those hackers...
Jan 29 08:01:44 <Mad3ngineer_> I hate when people call skiddies hackers...
Jan 29 08:01:55 <Mad3ngineer_> on video games, "WAAA A HACKER!!!" ugh....
Jan 29 08:02:00 <Odaym> lol
Jan 29 08:02:07 <Odaym> and the movie that just came out, Hacker
Jan 29 08:02:09 <Odaym> or no, Blackhat
Jan 29 08:02:15 <Odaym> yea they expanded their dictionary
Jan 29 08:02:34 <Mad3ngineer_> I haven't seen it yet
Jan 29 08:02:38 <Mad3ngineer_> worth seeing?
Jan 29 08:02:50 <Odaym> I didnt see it, something with that title is unseeable
Jan 29 08:03:07 <Mad3ngineer_> haha
Jan 29 08:03:22 <d0LLy> Odaym: Agree a lot. Though it's no magic to start writing your own code from scratch
Jan 29 08:03:26 <Mad3ngineer_> also the only reason they used Blackhat instead of Hacker was copyright infringement xP
Jan 29 08:03:32 <Mad3ngineer_> probably
Jan 29 08:03:38 <Mad3ngineer_> *joking speculation*
Jan 29 08:03:41 <Odaym> it's not magic at all, you're just copy pasting from Google docs
Jan 29 08:04:09 <Odaym> the real work and real magic is when you write something like picasso or drag-sort-listview or some of those big libraries that we depend on
Jan 29 08:04:17 <Odaym> real magic is when you write something that others can use to write magic
Jan 29 08:04:19 <Odaym> BAM!
Jan 29 08:04:44 <Odaym> but those people didnt do it after work with a cup of tea, they did it for their jobs, at their jobs, so its not like they are supermen
Jan 29 08:05:07 <Odaym> thin line between what you think is superpowers and what 8 hours on the job can do
Jan 29 08:05:38 <JakeWharton> that's not true
Jan 29 08:05:47 <Odaym> yes it is, you ain't no einstein
Jan 29 08:05:54 <Mad3ngineer_> Man, I would love to own my own software company... Maybe an indie game company. That would be frickin awesome
Jan 29 08:05:56 <Mad3ngineer_> dream job
Jan 29 08:06:11 <Odaym> how and which part isnt true, JakeWharton , I mean
Jan 29 08:06:22 <JakeWharton> "those people didnt do it after work with a cup of tea, they did it for their jobs, at their jobs"
Jan 29 08:06:25 <JakeWharton> not true
Jan 29 08:06:28 <Odaym> yea, you did those libs at home?
Jan 29 08:06:32 <Odaym> isnt it BY SQUARE?
Jan 29 08:06:54 <Odaym> what about the kotlin paper/
Jan 29 08:07:05 <JakeWharton> the paper was all in my free time
Jan 29 08:07:10 <JakeWharton> ActionBarSherlock was all in my free time
Jan 29 08:07:11 <Odaym> ok, that one is understandable
Jan 29 08:07:29 <Odaym> nine-old-androids?
Jan 29 08:07:33 <JakeWharton> free time
Jan 29 08:07:44 <Mad3ngineer_> well, intersting conversation... I must be off to sleep. Nice to meet you all.
Jan 29 08:07:46 <Odaym> I do stuff like that in my free time, but not so impacting
Jan 29 08:07:49 <deuteros__> I do a lot of hacking on my free time, some of it eventually bleeds back into my day job and a few times, became part of my job
Jan 29 08:07:50 <d0LLy> Odaym: Especially in programming modularity is very important. You can't write everything on your own. This leads to my original question. What is the best way to find solutions. Apperently it's google and stackoverflow.
Jan 29 08:08:10 <Odaym> the best way to find solution is to find what the problem is, exactly..
Jan 29 08:08:12 <njcomsec> books
Jan 29 08:08:23 <d0LLy> njcomsec: or books :)
Jan 29 08:08:26 <Odaym> most of what you see everyday is a vague idea of what is needed or what you want
Jan 29 08:08:29 <njcomsec> talking to other progrmmers
Jan 29 08:09:25 <njcomsec> conversation  really helps to get ideas going
Jan 29 08:09:26 <Odaym> well yea yesterday I was working on something in free time and today Im implementing it on the job, but I dont go out to build some big things with other people in mind
Jan 29 08:09:30 <Odaym> it's just not how I think
Jan 29 08:10:03 <Odaym> I make apps of my own, sure, but nothing for other developers
Jan 29 08:10:09 <njcomsec> me too
Jan 29 08:10:21 <Odaym> simply dont know what other developers need!
Jan 29 08:10:38 <Odaym> I might know what ordinary people need though, therefore I make them in apps
Jan 29 08:10:39 <njcomsec> im just trying to make a living
Jan 29 08:10:51 <JakeWharton> Odaym: other developers need what you need to get your job done more easily
Jan 29 08:11:10 <Odaym> true, but to solve those kinds of things you have to be very knowledgeable of the meta-code :P
Jan 29 08:11:16 <deuteros__> If you wrote something to make your life as a developer easier, chances are that other developers might benefit from it too
Jan 29 08:11:27 <deuteros__> Most successful open source projects started exactly like this
Jan 29 08:11:35 <Odaym> the code that lets ME write code, you have to read the source and whatnot, it's a big barrier between you and other developers
Jan 29 08:11:38 <njcomsec> i hve great respect for  people who help others... but i dont have that luxary... im poor as hell and need to make money
Jan 29 08:11:46 <Odaym> which is not magic either
Jan 29 08:12:46 <Odaym> I read Masters of Doom some time ago
Jan 29 08:12:50 <Odaym> you should all read it
Jan 29 08:12:51 <njcomsec> well i happily share  my knowledge with others
Jan 29 08:13:11 <njcomsec> i mean i just cant afford to work on an entire project dedicated to helping people
Jan 29 08:15:03 <Odaym> thing is, spending more time on anything will yield better results
Jan 29 08:15:06 <Odaym> that's it
Jan 29 08:15:10 <njcomsec> im 30, live with parents and i literally have zero savings
Jan 29 08:15:19 <Odaym> 27, same
Jan 29 08:15:20 <Odaym> so fucking what
Jan 29 08:15:34 <Odaym> it isnt the point of the discussion
Jan 29 08:15:45 <njcomsec> ok
Jan 29 08:16:08 <Odaym> Im not American though
Jan 29 08:17:35 <g00s> lol, why would my question on how to migrate users from paid to iap get downvoted in /r/androiddev
Jan 29 08:17:49 <Odaym> because that subreddit sucks
Jan 29 08:17:54 <g00s> reddit is retarded
Jan 29 08:18:04 <Odaym> I've not been able to get an atom's worth of benefit from it
Jan 29 08:18:09 <Odaym> been subscribed a long time
Jan 29 08:18:11 <g00s> yeah, i wonder if people just downvote shit so their submission rises
Jan 29 08:18:40 <Odaym> it's just "how do I get started" and "I made this and that app"
Jan 29 08:18:50 <Odaym> plus news taken from Google blog repeated there
Jan 29 08:19:03 <Levite> "We did Google pull my app for infringement"
Jan 29 08:19:05 <Levite> Why*
Jan 29 08:19:09 <Odaym> ^^ and that
Jan 29 08:19:10 <Mavrik> "How can I make this huge social app with video recording and CV in two days?@
Jan 29 08:19:11 <Levite> I see that every day
Jan 29 08:19:11 <Odaym> they love that
Jan 29 08:19:39 <Odaym> *huge* social app
Jan 29 08:19:40 <Odaym> lol
Jan 29 08:19:54 <Odaym> seems precise enough
Jan 29 08:22:37 <lizzin> is android filetransfer neccessary with 4.4.4? with my 4.2 phone, its file system would automagically show up when plugged into my mbp
Jan 29 08:22:40 <lizzin> i just want to be able to move songs from computer to phone
Jan 29 08:26:52 <SimonVT> lizzin: try #android, this channel is for app dev
Jan 29 08:28:48 <lizzin> SimonVT: ok
Jan 29 08:30:05 <sci-fi> what is countdowntimer onTick method ?
Jan 29 08:30:52 <SimonVT> It's a method
Jan 29 08:31:29 <sci-fi> what does countdowntimer onTick method do ?
Jan 29 08:31:33 <sci-fi> :D
Jan 29 08:32:40 <SimonVT> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/CountDownTimer.html#onTick(long)
Jan 29 08:33:06 <SimonVT> It's a callback fired on regular interval
Jan 29 08:33:44 <sci-fi> i will start a countdown when fragment oncreateView , everytime it will be reset so i guess i dont need it, right?
Jan 29 08:35:39 <SimonVT> If you don't need a callback on a regular internal, no, you don't need it
Jan 29 08:36:00 <bahaba> is it possible to transfer data from an MCU to an Android phone reliably? how much data?
Jan 29 08:38:18 <knapper_tech> can I debug memory leaks in Andriod Studio?
Jan 29 08:38:34 <knapper_tech> counting live objects of each class would be pretty cool
Jan 29 08:40:11 <SimonVT> You can do a heap dump and open it in e.g. Eclipse MAT
Jan 29 08:41:33 <d0LLy> bahaba: Do you speak about an internal or external MCU?
Jan 29 08:41:35 <knapper_tech> Surely there is something besides Eclipse that can count live instances
Jan 29 08:43:57 <d0LLy> bahaba: The amount of data depends on the BUS the MCU and the databus the phone uses.
Jan 29 08:44:41 <bahaba> d0LLy: what do you mean internal and external?
Jan 29 08:45:07 <bahaba> anyway, i mean: a sensor connected to an mcu, mcu connected to phone via micro USB, data exchange between them
Jan 29 08:45:16 <bahaba> and you can send and receive both ways?
Jan 29 08:46:55 <knapper_tech> can I count isntances in DDMS?
Jan 29 08:47:54 <d0LLy> bahaba: You are talking about a single Micro Control Unit (MCU), right?
Jan 29 08:48:03 <bahaba> d0LLy: yes
Jan 29 08:48:32 <bahaba> and is there an alternative to USB (not wireless)?
Jan 29 08:49:48 <d0LLy> bahaba: You connected a MCU with USB? They tend to have in- and out-put pins
Jan 29 08:50:35 <bahaba> d0LLy: im just asking if it is possibl
Jan 29 08:50:41 <g00s> do they still make the ioio boards ?
Jan 29 08:50:47 <bahaba> i need sensor -> send data to phone
Jan 29 08:51:08 <bahaba> perhaps sensor needs to store info if phone contact is lost
Jan 29 08:52:23 <g00s> hey thebiffman
Jan 29 08:52:25 <g00s> oops
Jan 29 08:52:30 <g00s> hey thepoosh
Jan 29 08:52:31 <thebiffman> hey g00s
Jan 29 08:52:32 <thebiffman> :D
Jan 29 08:52:38 <g00s> heh XD
Jan 29 08:54:22 <d0LLy> bahaba: If you can address the MCU and it has some kind of API to communicate with, it should be possible to read/write data.
Jan 29 08:54:59 <bahaba> d0LLy: ok ty. and USB is really the only alternative?
Jan 29 08:55:04 <bahaba> for wired comm
Jan 29 08:55:22 <shmoon_> android 5 settings has a card like effect, I mean boxes. How can that be achieved with Preferences?
Jan 29 08:56:21 <knapper_tech> not seeing in ddms or AS anywhere that I can count object instances..
Jan 29 08:56:25 <knapper_tech> MAT has standalone
Jan 29 08:56:30 <knapper_tech> probably going there
Jan 29 08:58:59 <astroduck> is getPreferences() different for every activity?
Jan 29 09:00:11 <SimonVT> astroduck: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#getPreferences(int)
Jan 29 09:00:12 <d0LLy> bahaba: Sorry, can't help you there, never connected a mcu via usb
Jan 29 09:01:21 <njcomsec> whats an mcu?
Jan 29 09:01:56 <astroduck> SimonVT: So any way to get app wide preferences file?
Jan 29 09:02:04 <knapper_tech> microcontroller
Jan 29 09:02:49 <astroduck> SimonVT: How about PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences() using application context?
Jan 29 09:04:03 <SimonVT> astroduck: Yep, getDefaultSharedPreferences always returns the same SharedPreferences
Jan 29 09:11:05 <FrancescoV> Hi all, somebody experience with beacons?
Jan 29 09:27:37 <sci-fi> guys ive been trying it for an hour and i still couldn't do it. How to change fragments in a viewpager automatically ? for example every 5 sec
Jan 29 09:30:32 <williamd> @sci-fi check http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17080006/switch-fragments-after-every-5-seconds-using-view-pager-android
Jan 29 09:31:15 <sci-fi> let me try
Jan 29 09:36:20 <sci-fi> williamd: ok it works, now i should activate this when user clicked a button
Jan 29 09:38:48 <shmoon_> in a nested PreferenceScreen, the actionbar disappears, has anyone else faced this?
Jan 29 09:46:22 <knapper_tech> client wants to hit a an API endpoint and may end up with overlapping requests but only wants the most recently requested response
Jan 29 09:46:55 <knapper_tech> CloseableHttpClient or...where we going with this?
Jan 29 09:54:21 <surf2b1> Did anyone else notice a huge drop in in-app purchases yesterday/today? I have an app that gets at least $100 every day for the last couple years and today it was almost nothing.
Jan 29 09:56:09 <knapper_tech> surf2b1, check app store positions
Jan 29 09:56:25 <surf2b1> knapper_tech: what do you mean?
Jan 29 09:56:44 <knapper_tech> look up your plat store positions for various search terms and top rankings
Jan 29 09:56:46 <surf2b1> just checked another app. first one went down 86%, second one went down 70%
Jan 29 09:56:51 <knapper_tech> ah
Jan 29 09:57:03 <knapper_tech> could just be a reporting window glitch :-/
Jan 29 09:57:15 <surf2b1> I'm using pretty old in-app purchase code. IAP v2 I think
Jan 29 09:57:21 <surf2b1> I hope so
Jan 29 09:57:35 <knapper_tech> surf2b1, oh...might run some test purchases
Jan 29 09:58:02 <surf2b1> doing that atm. thanks. just wanted to see if anyone else had issues today
Jan 29 10:01:10 <surf2b1> yep, Google Play services was updated and now in-app purchases don't work for v2
Jan 29 10:01:12 <surf2b1> damn
Jan 29 10:01:15 <danijoo> surf2b1, IAP v2 got shot down yesterday
Jan 29 10:01:32 <danijoo> they sent a warning about that about 3 months ago ^^'
Jan 29 10:01:50 <surf2b1> shows how often I check. In the dev console or via email?
Jan 29 10:02:00 <danijoo> dev console
Jan 29 10:02:06 <danijoo> not sure about email
Jan 29 10:02:09 <danijoo> i get too many
Jan 29 10:02:22 <surf2b1> thanks. Guess number 1 priority will be upgrading that
Jan 29 10:02:35 <surf2b1> I get too many too so I usually skip over them
Jan 29 10:07:15 <moeh> Hey, can someone tell me if it is possible for an Android app to detect whether it was installed through the Play Store or manually via opening an APK?
Jan 29 10:08:59 <surf2b1> moeh: getPackageManager().getInstallerPackageName().equals("com.android.vending") is most likely the easiest way but it can be easily tricked
Jan 29 10:18:58 <Zharf> I'm pretty sure there was no emails about IAP shutdowns
Jan 29 10:19:32 <Zharf> but IAP v2 was old and horrible anyway
Jan 29 10:22:26 <moeh> surf2b1: Thanks! What do you mean by tricked? What possibilities are there?
Jan 29 10:23:10 <surf2b1> moeh: someone could install the package through adb and set the installer package name. adb install -i com.android.vending -r the.apk
Jan 29 10:23:47 <surf2b1> getInstallerPackageName() may also return null so if you use it just a heads up
Jan 29 10:48:35 <mrpyo> on lollipop how to remove shadow of Toolbar?
Jan 29 10:53:40 <Number5> Hello guys, can some of you diehard android developer rockstars give me a hint what the best way is to retain a timer object in case of orientation change? I was thinking to put it in MainApplication, but if there's a better and cleaner way, drop it :) I rather don't want to use a headless Fragment, because it's to overwhelming for just keeping a timer object.
Jan 29 10:53:53 <Number5> Thank you =D
Jan 29 10:55:46 <Number5> I just had an idea to save the last state of the timer and after recreating it, I can update the last state. Hmm, sounds not bad.
Jan 29 10:56:28 <Number5> So no need to retain Timer.
Jan 29 10:56:45 <Number5> Im a Rockstar :P
Jan 29 10:59:29 <SimonVT> Juse use a Singleton to manage your timers
Jan 29 10:59:32 <SimonVT> Subscribe to events
Jan 29 11:00:54 <Number5> SimonVT, MainApplication is a singleton too, if not, at least it's there all over the app's lifetime.
Jan 29 11:01:32 <SimonVT> No need to clutter your Application subclass unless necessary
Jan 29 11:01:34 <adkins> Hi guys, does anyone have an idea on this one: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8346638/start-activity-from-exit-car-mode-broadcast-receiver  ?? i`m experiencing exactly the same
Jan 29 11:02:21 <Number5> But I'm interested in your second comment, do you mean registering events like the Otto lib?
Jan 29 11:03:57 <SimonVT> Sure, or just a plain old listener
Jan 29 11:04:43 <Number5> SimonVT, thnx my friend :)
Jan 29 11:25:20 <HSaka> Hello! I am going to make my first android app. I´ve heard I should make the app targeting one api. Where old and new phones can run the application.
Jan 29 11:25:23 <HSaka> Which api is it ?
Jan 29 11:27:04 <thepoosh> target should probably be the highest one possible
Jan 29 11:27:24 <HSaka> so.. api 19 ?
Jan 29 11:30:43 <thepoosh> HSaka: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html#ApiLevels
Jan 29 11:30:45 <thepoosh> 21
Jan 29 11:31:11 <HSaka> thepoosh, ty. So anroid phones who uses 2.3 should be able to run the app as well ?
Jan 29 11:34:17 <danijoo> HSaka, minSDK defines the lowest possible sdk
Jan 29 11:34:25 <danijoo> for your first app, set it to 15
Jan 29 11:34:40 <HSaka> okey, thank you  :)
Jan 29 11:34:41 <danijoo> minSDKVersion=15, targetSDKVersion=19, maxSDKVersion=21
Jan 29 11:35:15 <danijoo> dont set targetSDKVersion to 21 yet. there was a bug with doing it (cant remember what it was though)
Jan 29 11:35:30 <HSaka> So i should just set it to 19 then ?
Jan 29 11:35:34 <HSaka> 15,19,19 ?
Jan 29 11:35:42 <danijoo> no. 15,19,21
Jan 29 11:36:07 <HSaka> okey : )
Jan 29 11:36:19 <danijoo> read: "my app is designed for andorid 4.4, but it can run on everything above 4.0.3 until 5.x"
Jan 29 11:37:00 <SimonVT> Don't set maxSdkVersion
Jan 29 11:37:50 <HSaka> just leave it blank then ?
Jan 29 11:38:02 <HSaka> or "interger"
Jan 29 11:38:12 <SimonVT> omit it
Jan 29 11:39:23 <HSaka> okey, thank you
Jan 29 11:40:47 <shmoon_> Nothing shows up in my Navigation Drawer, any idea why, here's the code - http://pastie.org/9871066
Jan 29 11:41:03 <t0th_-_> hi
Jan 29 11:41:21 <t0th_-_> how i can put <> inside the <string>my text <> </string>
Jan 29 11:41:22 <t0th_-_> ?
Jan 29 11:41:58 <danijoo> t0th_-_, escape them
Jan 29 11:42:10 <t0th_-_> \<\> ?
Jan 29 11:42:15 <danijoo> try it
Jan 29 11:43:12 <t0th_-_> i will try encode it
Jan 29 11:45:33 <shmoon_> strange , not sure whats wrong
Jan 29 11:53:22 <t0th_-_> thanks danijoo
Jan 29 11:54:21 <Nick-S> how do i make thread start running after another thread?
Jan 29 11:54:39 <Nick-S> is that what rxjava does? and what else gives me this kind of funcitonality?
Jan 29 11:55:20 <Nick-S> is it supported in android?
Jan 29 11:56:04 <danijoo> call the method to start another thread when first one finishes maybe?
Jan 29 11:57:33 <FlipBill> Maybe Nick-S wants the second thread to catch the first thread.  But it will have to run faster.
Jan 29 11:58:09 <danijoo> ^^
Jan 29 11:59:48 <Nick-S> haha
Jan 29 12:00:02 <Nick-S> yes but is there a pattern like that?
Jan 29 12:00:15 <Nick-S> i like code beutity
Jan 29 12:00:20 <Nick-S> like tell one thread to depend on other
Jan 29 12:00:31 <Nick-S> i think javascript has some nice stuff for it
Jan 29 12:00:38 <Nick-S> or one nodejs library i remember
Jan 29 12:04:29 <njcomsec> in android studio, which is the option to change the current line babackground color?
Jan 29 12:04:40 <njcomsec> i can find the color for literally everything else but this
Jan 29 12:07:13 <danijoo> njcomsec, in intellij its Editor -> Colors&Fonts -> General -> The checkbox named "background"
Jan 29 12:07:19 <danijoo> should be the same in AS
Jan 29 12:08:20 <hyrixo> Hello i've run in to a issue and i don't know how to solve this, the problem is as follows, I have a app that has countdown timers, when a timer is started and the app is closed a service will make a notification that the timer is done and the activity will be started again when u click on it and tell the activity that it's done. Now how can i do this when 2 timers are almost done at the same time ? cause the user will only press o
Jan 29 12:08:25 <danijoo> you have to change that background color for the attribute "caret row"
Jan 29 12:09:19 <hyrixo> Should i store ondestroy the now time and back on create() again the now time and compare them to see if any other timer is done ?
Jan 29 12:09:45 <FlipBill> Nick-S, if processing in your thread must be serialized, why do you need separate threads?
Jan 29 12:09:45 <njcomsec> ahh caret row... thnanks
Jan 29 12:10:04 <Nick-S> FlipBill: true nice question
Jan 29 12:10:10 <FlipBill> s/your thread/your application/
Jan 29 12:10:33 <danijoo> hyrixo, onDestroy might not get called by the system os its a bad idea
Jan 29 12:10:38 <danijoo> better use onPause
Jan 29 12:11:46 <FlipBill> any way, message handler seems to resemble what you have in mind
Jan 29 12:12:19 <FlipBill> But not exactly.
Jan 29 12:14:50 <hyrixo> But would u say that is the best way to handle it or is there a way to read inc notifications ?
Jan 29 12:16:49 <danijoo> you can put some identifier in the pending intent from the notification
Jan 29 12:17:32 <hyrixo> Well i putextra in it that i read in oncreate()
Jan 29 12:18:07 <hyrixo> But that doesn't get called again when a timer ends during runtime or when i have 2 notifications at the same time
Jan 29 12:18:21 <Nick-S> how do you go about checking if two lists of objects differ?
Jan 29 12:18:48 <danijoo> hyrixo, onNewIntent() maybe
Jan 29 12:19:22 <tonic> added a tweaked version of my old LD game to play shop... meaning to distribute the enhanced source code to people who have bought two of my assets. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strobotnik.llab
Jan 29 12:19:23 <tonic> would like to hear if there's technical problems with that (requires android 4.0+ device)
Jan 29 12:20:15 <FlipBill> Nick-S, discussion on that here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16207718/java-compare-two-lists-object-values
Jan 29 12:20:31 <jesperj> What do you think is better? (I have a website in an apk expansion file and need to access the website in a webview, plus be able to send links to pdf files in the website via intent to external pdf viewer app) 1) unzipping the apk/obb file on external media (takes 78mb for obb file + 156mb for extracted) or 2) only use a JOBB created apk/obb file, and mount it with StoreManager (requires API 9, but keeps file size down to the 78mb apk/obb fil
Jan 29 12:20:31 <jesperj> e only)
Jan 29 12:20:32 <Nick-S> yes i saw that
Jan 29 12:20:35 <Nick-S> but it looks strange
Jan 29 12:21:00 <hyrixo> danijoo, don't understand how that works :/
Jan 29 12:21:07 <Nick-S> but it doesn't check for the content of the object
Jan 29 12:21:11 <t0th_-_> how i can solve Cannot start compilation: the output path is not specified for module "mydemo". Specify the output path in Configure Project. in Android studio?
Jan 29 12:21:45 <Nick-S> arrays.equals?
Jan 29 12:21:52 <FlipBill> I infer that your question is not really about comparing lists, then.
Jan 29 12:22:07 <hyrixo> danijoo, if i understand it right i could make the notification pop up during the acitvity and call the onNewIntent()
Jan 29 12:22:29 <Nick-S> i mean Lists
Jan 29 12:22:31 <FlipBill> but rather, more specific
Jan 29 12:23:10 <FlipBill> OK, Lists.  Still, how do you define equalitiy for your purposes?
Jan 29 12:23:48 <Nick-S> flip: maybe there's soemthing that enables me to implement equality for my type?
Jan 29 12:24:40 <FlipBill> Nick-S, yes, I think that's what you are looking for.  A Comparator method of some kind.
Jan 29 12:25:08 <FlipBill> Nick-S, i.e. a method that you would code for yourself for this purpose.
Jan 29 12:25:26 <Nick-S> yes
Jan 29 12:25:39 <Nick-S> flip so theres something like that included in the java libs?
Jan 29 12:25:52 <FlipBill> Are you familiar with how one overrides Comparator to use Sort?
Jan 29 12:26:50 <FlipBill> No, I am suggesting you have to wirte your comparator because only you know what makes equality for your purpose.
Jan 29 12:27:00 <FlipBill> I must leave office for 30 minutes.
Jan 29 12:31:24 <FlipBill> Nick-S, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16069106/how-to-compare-two-java-objects
Jan 29 12:32:48 <Nick-S> flip: i am reading no worries
Jan 29 12:33:46 <jesperj> Do you guys just unzip the apk expansion files or do you use something like the apk zip library or storemanager to access the data?
Jan 29 12:35:10 <jesperj> man, I can't even find any tutorials for StoreManager, just the reference doc at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/storage/StorageManager.html
Jan 29 12:35:37 <jesperj> maybe just unzipping the apk is the easiest and safest option
Jan 29 12:35:48 <jesperj> apk/apk expansion file
Jan 29 12:38:09 <lootic> Hello! Im trying to use androids SurfaceTexture to render Video. I need to be able to control the texture from C++(I want it to intergrate with cocos2dx), but I dont really seem to be able to bind it, I dont get GL_ERRORs. Anyone that might be able to point me in the right direction? :)
Jan 29 13:01:30 <perlsyntax> Hi all
Jan 29 13:03:40 <FlipBill> perlsyntax, Don't you mean printf "Hi all";  ??
Jan 29 13:05:21 <lootic> @FlipBill: thats way to readable to be perl, are you sure you are doing it right? ;)
Jan 29 13:06:46 <Rashad> Hello.
Jan 29 13:07:36 <jesperj> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28191549/can-i-load-html-pages-from-apk-expansion-file-into-webview-without-unzipping
Jan 29 13:07:53 <Rashad> http://pastie.org/9871235 : The function "connect" is triggered by an onClick event on some button. I want a way to pass the "token" variable from the onCreate method to the connect method.
Jan 29 13:07:57 <FlipBill> lootic, My dialect could be obscure.
Jan 29 13:08:05 <perlsyntax> Hey FlipBill
Jan 29 13:08:30 * FlipBill tips hat
Jan 29 13:11:03 <lootic> haha
Jan 29 13:19:26 <shmoon_> So I'm trying to test a project I found on github
Jan 29 13:19:29 <shmoon_> i cannot use this theme Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar
Jan 29 13:19:36 <shmoon_> why not
Jan 29 13:19:46 <shmoon_> I see this in it     <style name="AppTheme" parent="android:Theme.Light" />
Jan 29 13:20:03 <shmoon_> it uses actionbar sherlock wich I guess does not allow you to put support lib 7 with it
Jan 29 13:29:22 <Number5> Hello guys, how to get notified if Fragment is actually displaying? Cause I've an issue with getting dimensions of a certain view in the fragment.
Jan 29 14:25:23 <fLm> Hi all
Jan 29 14:25:36 <fLm> I have a question about publishing an app to the play store
Jan 29 14:26:00 <fLm> if your app has 2 parts, 1 part requires login and the other part is public for everyone
Jan 29 14:26:26 <fLm> May you publish your app when you can't register for an account inside the app
Jan 29 14:26:55 <pfn> yes
Jan 29 14:26:59 <fLm> The registration of accounts will be done by an administrator
Jan 29 14:27:08 <fLm> Is this possible ?
Jan 29 14:27:12 <Leeds> I'm pretty sure Google doesn't care
Jan 29 14:27:17 <fLm> Alright
Jan 29 14:27:34 <fLm> i'm asking this because i can't find this in the polciy
Jan 29 14:27:36 <fLm> policy*
Jan 29 14:28:24 <pfn> google content policy is clear
Jan 29 14:36:52 <shmoon_> this part has a caution ortion http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html#Listening that talks about the preferencemanager not holding a strong reference to the listener. does it hold true when I make my preferencefragment implement the listener interface too?
Jan 29 14:42:59 <luist> whats the measure of the offsets in Toast.setGravity (int gravity, int xOffset, int yOffset) ?
Jan 29 15:28:27 <oscarb92> hello people. I'm new to android and I'm trying to use a dialog in an example app I found on the internet. But Android Studio says that onCreateDialog method is deprecated. What am I supposed to use now? help
Jan 29 15:32:49 <FlipBill> oscarb92, onCreateDialog does not create a Dialog.  It's a callback.  Maybe that is part of your confusion?
Jan 29 15:36:46 <Ashiren> nowadays we use dialogFragments
Jan 29 15:42:21 <FlipBill> oscarb92, no, my apologies. Ashiren got to the point.  I have a Dialog that uses onCreate().
Jan 29 15:42:32 <FlipBill> I don't know what the distinction was.
Jan 29 15:46:46 <luist> my custom font is not being applied after i changed my project content to another project (to change its name)… the code is all the same, what could be missing?
Jan 29 15:57:59 <Arnas> hey guys
Jan 29 15:58:33 <Arnas> I need to make a simple app for Android. All it'd do is have a few input text box fields and I need to generate QR code out of them
Jan 29 15:58:46 <Arnas> so I guess I should start with some simple tutorials, huh?
Jan 29 15:58:48 <Arnas> any advices?
Jan 29 16:01:06 <dianull> google.com
Jan 29 16:01:11 <jesperj> Ok so I need a way to unzip files. I found http://www.jondev.net/articles/Unzipping_Files_with_Android_%28Programmatically%29 . Do you think it's ok to use this in a project or would you contact the author first?
Jan 29 16:02:28 <Arnas> dianull, dude, the reason I came here is because I didn't find anything I was searching for on google.com
Jan 29 16:02:33 <Leeds> Arnas: do you know java?
Jan 29 16:03:04 <Arnas> Leeds, I know a little bit of C/C++ and Python. But to make this app I don't think I'll need a lot of Java, so that shouldn't be a problem
Jan 29 16:03:22 <Leeds> so that's "no" then?
Jan 29 16:03:33 <Arnas> Leeds, I mean I'm not a newbie in programming, so I'll learn quickly what I need
Jan 29 16:03:34 <FlipBill> Arnas, to your question, find a Java tutorial and learn however little you think you will need.
Jan 29 16:03:47 <FlipBill> Does that seem reasonable?
Jan 29 16:03:48 <Arnas> FlipBill, I'll learn that by creating app
Jan 29 16:04:09 <Arnas> right now I need android-specific tutorials
Jan 29 16:04:10 <FlipBill> Arnas, oh, so what precisely are you asking for?
Jan 29 16:04:10 <Leeds> http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Jan 29 16:04:12 <Arnas> not Java tutorials
Jan 29 16:04:44 <Arnas> Leeds, any free courses?
Jan 29 16:04:55 <jesperj> Does anyone know of any "free to take" code for unzipping files?
Jan 29 16:04:56 <FlipBill> I see.  I don't know where they can be found, but I see Leeds has an idea.
Jan 29 16:05:01 <Leeds> no, unfortunately, there are only thousands
Jan 29 16:05:22 <Arnas> Leeds, for example?
Jan 29 16:05:24 <Leeds> Arnas: did you look at the link I just gave you?
Jan 29 16:05:30 <Arnas> Leeds, yes
Jan 29 16:05:49 <Leeds> did you go through the training, including videos, there?
Jan 29 16:05:55 <Ashiren> https://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Jan 29 16:06:04 <Ashiren> more advanced - http://www.androidhive.info/
Jan 29 16:06:06 <Arnas> Leeds, no, I didn't even start, but after 2 weeks trial it's $200 a month
Jan 29 16:06:14 <Leeds> no, it isn't
Jan 29 16:06:22 <Arnas> $199/month after 14-day trial
Jan 29 16:06:35 <Leeds> and... we're done here
Jan 29 16:07:31 <Arnas> Leeds, oh, I clicked "Start the video course"
Jan 29 16:08:21 <perlsyntax> Do i need to know a lot of java to learn android programming?
Jan 29 16:09:07 <perlsyntax> If i understand it right i do.
Jan 29 16:09:40 <Zharf> it'd be preferrably
Jan 29 16:09:45 <Zharf> java's really simple
Jan 29 16:09:53 <Zharf> just a big standard library
Jan 29 16:10:04 <perlsyntax> i didn't know that.
Jan 29 16:10:19 <perlsyntax> Start to really like android
Jan 29 16:11:00 <perlsyntax> Zharf,I read the Pro android book it should help me get start:)
Jan 29 16:11:36 <perlsyntax> Zharf,Anything better then C
Jan 29 16:11:42 <jesperj> Can someone help me out? There is a class for unzipping files at http://www.jondev.net/articles/Unzipping_Files_with_Android_%28Programmatically%29 . Do you think this is free to include in your own app? If so, how does that work with licensing etc?
Jan 29 16:11:48 <FlipBill> perillamint, If you like Perl you might hate Java.  OTOH, you might love it.
Jan 29 16:12:04 <FlipBill> Oops- taht was for perlsyntax
Jan 29 16:12:18 <Zharf> your irc client is clearly not irssi
Jan 29 16:12:22 <Zharf> :p
Jan 29 16:12:23 <jesperj> Or... are there any "free" unzip code out there?
Jan 29 16:12:31 <FlipBill> I love the simplicity of C.
Jan 29 16:12:51 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,I try out perl and didn't like it
Jan 29 16:12:59 <FlipBill> Zharf, no, it is not.  What am I missing?
Jan 29 16:12:59 <Ashiren> jesperj: it uses standard zip things in java, so its free to use
Jan 29 16:13:32 <Zharf> FlipBill, tabcomplete takes into account who has spoken recently
Jan 29 16:13:44 <sleepster> I have a simple observer-type pattern that I've implemented for handling network change events and for some reason I keep getting ConcurrentModificationException when iterating through my listeners.  I've got everything synchronized so I am not sure how this is possible -- http://pastebin.com/sQ8raPUv
Jan 29 16:13:45 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,Well i got to do some java programming latter on today.
Jan 29 16:13:46 <FlipBill> perlsyntax, I think Perl is Byzantine, but I love it for quick hacks of moderate complexity.  Oxymoron?
Jan 29 16:13:51 <Ashiren> tab is common among (almost) all irc clients
Jan 29 16:14:29 <FlipBill> Ashiren, I used tab for handle completion, but I got the wrong user anyway.  Dunno why.
Jan 29 16:14:39 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,I know what you mean.I start to like java to.
Jan 29 16:14:46 <sleepster> when I extend a class and then synchronize on the method that I override, am I locking on the same object as the base class?
Jan 29 16:14:48 <Zharf> Ashiren, sure, but most fail and only do an alphabetic list
Jan 29 16:15:11 <Zharf> irssi sorts by most recently spoken
Jan 29 16:15:52 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,I got a lot to learn.Can you do gui or code from xml then using the gui to build your app?
Jan 29 16:15:59 <FlipBill> perlsyntax, I've been lusting after Scala, but I've noticed that some of the cool kids are playing with Kotlin for the JVM
Jan 29 16:16:06 <jesperj> Ashiren: How can the code at http://www.jondev.net/articles/Unzipping_Files_with_Android_%28Programmatically%29 be free to use without attribution etc when it's still a distinctively unique piece of code... I'd like to "just get shit done" but I'm getting so confused about when/if it's ok to reuse code snippets like this posted on blogs or wherever. Especially when it says "Copyright Blah blah blah" on the bottom of the page.
Jan 29 16:16:40 <Ashiren> jesperj: (whispering) youre caring too much :v
Jan 29 16:16:49 <FlipBill> perlsyntax, One typically uses XML to do layouts for UI in Andoid, if that's what u r asking.
Jan 29 16:17:26 <jesperj> Ashiren: It would be one thing if it was a closed source project, but I'm going to release my code as an open source project...
Jan 29 16:17:31 <Ashiren> sleepster: synchronized method works for that particular method, for particular object
Jan 29 16:17:50 <Zharf> jesperj, frankly anyone could write  very similar snippet by just looking at the documentation
Jan 29 16:17:51 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,I was asking if i can code xml then use the gui.I hope i make sense.
Jan 29 16:17:53 <Ashiren> sleepster: as i can see, two thread can do release() and register() at the same time
Jan 29 16:18:15 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,I try to get use to android studio.:)
Jan 29 16:18:18 <Zharf> jesperj, no way anyone could claim copyright on that
Jan 29 16:18:21 <sleepster> Ashiren: how's that possible though since they are synchronized
Jan 29 16:18:22 <jesperj> Ashiren: How would you do it if you included it in an open source project? Would you just include it without attribution, or would you make a note saying something like "Code borrowed from [url]", or would you NOT include it without expressed consent from the original author
Jan 29 16:18:38 <Ashiren> sleepster: instead of arrayList you can use CopyOnWriteArrayList
Jan 29 16:18:55 <Ashiren> jesperj: i would ask the author
Jan 29 16:19:01 <sleepster> Ashiren: yeah I was thinking of using that but wanted to make sure that was the problem
Jan 29 16:19:09 <FlipBill> perlsyntax, Android Studio will let you edit XML directly.  It will generate it for you too.
Jan 29 16:19:11 <Ashiren> jesperj: or at least include the contribution in commnets
Jan 29 16:19:22 <sleepster> Ashiren: the array list is fully synchronized across all accesses
Jan 29 16:19:34 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,Tahnk you i think i understand now:)
Jan 29 16:19:37 <perlsyntax> thanks
Jan 29 16:19:42 <FlipBill> yw
Jan 29 16:20:06 <perlsyntax> FlipBill,Got a lot to learn look like.
Jan 29 16:20:27 <FlipBill> it is vast, and a moving target
Jan 29 16:21:28 <Ashiren> hmm
Jan 29 16:22:28 <jesperj> Zharf: Ashiren: So I should be "safe" at least if I just include attribution like /* Code from [url]. Thank you! */, Even if I release my code as open source?
Jan 29 16:22:42 <Zharf> yep
Jan 29 16:23:30 <FlipBill> jesperj, uh, technically, maybe not.  But I wouldn't lose any sleep. Attribution shows good faith.
Jan 29 16:23:49 <Zharf> I usually only copy a link to the source of a snippet if it's a solution to some intricate problem and the url has a good explanation for it
Jan 29 16:24:42 <Ashiren> jesperj: if unsure or author doesnt call back, then dont include at all
Jan 29 16:25:17 <Zharf> just read the damn documentation for five minutes and write it yourself, if you're concerned
Jan 29 16:25:24 <FlipBill> Zharf, Intricate problems tend to be unique, thus requiring heavy customization of models.  Few of us develop in clean rooms.
Jan 29 16:26:04 <Zharf> unzipping files in java is really easy though :p
Jan 29 16:26:17 <Ashiren> sleepster: check with copyonwritearraylist if the problem still occurs
Jan 29 16:26:38 <FlipBill> Oh, is that what we are talking about.  I should pay attention. ~~
Jan 29 16:26:47 <Zharf> yeah...
Jan 29 16:27:48 * FlipBill slaps self and stares at WORK screen
Jan 29 16:28:54 <Ashiren> sleepster: in release() you call unregister which removes the element. i dont know how that would work from synchronized method to other synhronized method in same class
Jan 29 16:32:02 <Rashad> Hello. I have a noob question. In line 134 here: http://pastie.org/9871713#134 I am getting a "cannot resolve method 'getActivity()'" error.
Jan 29 16:32:18 <Rashad> I tried using this.getActivity() instead but it didn't work.
Jan 29 16:33:38 <luist> why is function Utils.loadFonts(); not being called in this: http://paste.ofcode.org/36Fp8wixcSqWraERXqW9Gje ?
Jan 29 16:33:48 <I440r> is there a way to sleep a thread until it is later kicked by some event?
Jan 29 16:34:01 <I440r> i dont want to do a busy wait
Jan 29 16:34:51 <Ashiren> Rashad: try criteria.this or getApplicationContext()
Jan 29 16:35:09 <Rashad> Thanks Ashiren.
Jan 29 16:35:13 <Ashiren> and meh, name your classes with Uppercase ;s
Jan 29 16:35:39 <Rashad> Wait criteria.this. didn't solve it.
Jan 29 16:36:08 <Rashad> criteria.this.getActivity() still generates the same error.
Jan 29 16:36:16 <Ashiren> no
Jan 29 16:36:20 <Ashiren> just criteria.this
Jan 29 16:36:24 <Rashad> OK.
Jan 29 16:36:27 <Ashiren> it wants activity
Jan 29 16:36:46 <Ashiren> (or context)
Jan 29 16:40:14 <theblang> I'm using Retrofit to do HTTP calls.  I need to catch an expired token, re-authenticate behind the scenes, then retry the request.  I should probably use RxJava?
Jan 29 16:44:42 <drose379> Is CardView something that will only work on the newer firmwares?
Jan 29 16:45:02 <drose379> I know some parts of matierial design wont work on the older phones, does that include CardView?
Jan 29 16:45:02 <trevor-e> cardview works back to sdk7 iirc
Jan 29 16:45:37 <drose379> sdk7 which firmware is that
Jan 29 16:45:49 <Ashiren> v7 support library
Jan 29 16:45:51 <groxx> I440r: at the lowest level, there's .wait(). but generally I'd recommend only going as low as a countdown latch, since it's easier to use.
Jan 29 16:45:52 <Ashiren> i think its 2.1
Jan 29 16:45:55 <Ashiren> android 2.1
Jan 29 16:46:07 <drose379> You guys ever use cardview?
Jan 29 16:46:15 <drose379> Whats the advantages vs a custom ListView
Jan 29 16:46:21 <I440r> flag = false;  while(!flag) { sleep(...) }  <-- do i HONESTLY have to do a stupid busy wait like this? is there not some way to sleep a thread FOREVER or until some other thread kicks it?
Jan 29 16:46:30 <sleepster> Ashiren: thanks :) I overlooked that
Jan 29 16:47:28 <groxx> I440r: another option is to use a handler thread.  then you have a looper, which (despite the name) doesn't busy-loop
Jan 29 16:49:22 <I440r> groxx this is a message queue that must NOT execute the next command from the queue until the previous one completes.
Jan 29 16:49:36 <I440r> i have probably implemented this badly
Jan 29 16:50:01 <I440r> i know how to use a looper, what im not sure is... what makes the looper run the next itteration of the loop?
Jan 29 16:50:13 <SimonVT> That's usually how a queue works
Jan 29 16:50:21 <Ashiren> maybe scheduledExecutorService
Jan 29 16:50:56 <groxx> I440r: that's always how a single-threaded message queue works
Jan 29 16:53:22 <shmoon_> this part has a caution ortion http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html#Listening that talks about the preferencemanager not holding a strong reference to the listener. does it hold true when I make my preferencefragment implement the listener interface too?
Jan 29 16:53:40 <shekibobo> why might I need to wait 26 minutes for android studio to install a build to my device?
Jan 29 16:53:42 <I440r> groxx i have a looper, it peeks the next message out of the queue and runs doCommand... doCommand has to parse the command and then calls readCharacteristic() and writeCharacteristic() which call deviceGatt.read(write)Characteristic(c) -- are those BLE API calls executed from the message thread?
Jan 29 16:53:54 <shekibobo> and actually 26 minutes apparently wasn't long enough
Jan 29 16:53:56 <luist> how can i reduce the timeout of my ldap connection?? LDAPConnection connection = new LDAPConnection(server, port, user, password);
Jan 29 16:54:10 <pfn> shmoon_, why would it be any less true?
Jan 29 16:54:10 <drose379> Is cardview worth learning and using if I dont need to display an Image on it
Jan 29 16:54:16 <I440r> are the onCharacteristicRead() and onCharacteristicWrite() callbacks ALSO executed on that same thread?
Jan 29 16:54:31 <SimonVT> drose379: CardView is a FrameLayout with a background.. There's nothing to learn
Jan 29 16:54:52 <drose379> Never used FrameLayout, also what If I dont need a background
Jan 29 16:54:57 <drose379> Is it just the default color?
Jan 29 16:55:09 <SimonVT> Without a background it wouldn't be a card
Jan 29 16:55:14 <SimonVT> It'd just be a FrameLayout
Jan 29 16:55:27 <groxx> I440r: that I dunno. but if you wait until they complete to post a new message, the message won't run until your code finishes
Jan 29 16:56:07 <Rashad> Hello.
Jan 29 16:56:19 <I440r> groxx i think i over engineered my solution and tied myslf into a gordian knot trying to resolve a problem ALREADY resolved by my looper lol
Jan 29 16:56:31 <groxx> I440r: if there's no callback, it should block your thread until it's finished, regardless of the thread it communicates with.  otherwise I would just use the callback to proceed
Jan 29 16:56:32 <drose379> SimonVT I like the rounded square look of the Cards
Jan 29 16:57:03 <groxx> I440r: heh, that's not hard to do :)
Jan 29 16:57:19 <SimonVT> drose379: ok..
Jan 29 16:57:31 <I440r> grox i was using the callbacks to kick the next message, i think thats where the gordian knot starts
Jan 29 16:57:42 <drose379> So it works just like a listview though
Jan 29 16:57:45 <drose379> Not much to learn?
Jan 29 16:57:52 <I440r> i think i simply need to rely on my looper block
Jan 29 16:57:56 <SimonVT> CardView is not a ListViewq
Jan 29 16:58:01 <SimonVT> It has nothing to do with ListView
Jan 29 16:58:11 <SimonVT> It's a FrameLayout that has a background that makes it look like a card
Jan 29 16:58:12 <SimonVT> That's it
Jan 29 16:58:22 <shmoon_> pfn: I'm actually first trying to wrap my head around what that means exactly
Jan 29 16:58:47 <Rashad> I have the following problem: My app's first activity is one with a facebook login button. If the user is already logged in, another activity starts. If the user presses the back button, they are transferred to the first activity but them immediately they are transferred to the other activity again. I want the back button to get the user to the main screen in this case and not the first...
Jan 29 16:58:48 <Rashad> ...activity. How do I do that? Do I delete the activity? If so, how?
Jan 29 16:58:54 <drose379> SimonVT is there a way to dynamically create the cards? Like .setAdapter() for ListView
Jan 29 16:58:55 <pfn> shmoon_, simple pref manager doesn't hold a strong reference
Jan 29 16:58:58 <pfn> shmoon_, that's it
Jan 29 16:59:15 <pfn> hold a reference to your listener yourself
Jan 29 16:59:35 <napster> evening everyone
Jan 29 16:59:35 <pfn> and a managed object is a good place
Jan 29 16:59:49 <SimonVT> drose379: I don't think you understand... You can use a CardView as an item in your ListView if you want.. Just like you can use a TextView
Jan 29 16:59:50 <groxx> napster: gmorning :)
Jan 29 16:59:59 <drose379> Shit
Jan 29 17:00:00 <napster> :)
Jan 29 17:00:05 <SimonVT> It's just a ViewGroup that looks like a card
Jan 29 17:00:21 <drose379> Im sorry, I was confused :)
Jan 29 17:00:25 <shmoon_> pfn: ok, so if my activity or fragment implements the listener interface, now pref manager will hold a weak reference to it. but as long as the activity/fragment is showing up on the screen it should be having a strong reference somewhere so thats why it can't be GC'ed - am I right ? so in this case it shouldn't matter even if the pref manager has a wak reference to my activity/fragmenet implementing the listener - hence this method shoul
Jan 29 17:00:27 <jesperj> I've included the code in http://www.jondev.net/articles/Zipping_Files_with_Android_%28Programmatically%29 in one of my projects with just a note like /* BORROWED CODE , [URL], Thank you! */. Now I can't decide if it's OCD or rational that I feel like I need to pull the project offline since I released the project as open source under my name...
Jan 29 17:01:12 <pfn> shmoon_, of course, learn java and gc better
Jan 29 17:01:17 <groxx> shmoon_: right.  weak refs don't mean "can go away at any time", they just mean " won't prevent GC"
Jan 29 17:01:22 <pfn> shmoon_, the answer is obvious
Jan 29 17:02:13 <pfn> any android developer should have a strong fundamental understanding of java
Jan 29 17:02:45 <drose379> SimonVT so I can just add the cardview in place of the regular XML inside of my ListView child layout?
Jan 29 17:03:23 <pfn> gc and threading are basic fundamentals that are essential
Jan 29 17:03:49 <jesperj> If someone could please help me with this... copyright, licensing etc is a fucking mess.
Jan 29 17:03:57 <SimonVT> drose379: Sure
Jan 29 17:04:06 <drose379> Thanks SimonVT
Jan 29 17:04:11 <Rashad> I have the following problem: My app's first activity is one with a facebook login button. If the user is already logged in, another activity starts. If the user presses the back button, they are transferred to the first activity but them immediately they are transferred to the other activity again. I want the back button to get the user to the main screen in this case and not the first...
Jan 29 17:04:13 <Rashad> ...activity. How do I do that? Do I delete the activity? If so, how?
Jan 29 17:04:17 <drose379> jesperj where did you get the code from
Jan 29 17:04:26 <jesperj> drose379: http://www.jondev.net/articles/Zipping_Files_with_Android_%28Programmatically%29
Jan 29 17:04:55 <shmoon_> true pfn , I think I've a basic understanding. I just wanted to understand/make sure that if I impement then its safe and fine, it won't get GC'ed as its showing up on the screen and in that case even if the PM holds a weak reference its just fine, I don't have to worry about unforeseen quirks
Jan 29 17:05:04 <drose379> Ok, jesperj are you on that page right now?
Jan 29 17:05:17 <shmoon_> As you guys pointed out, it is safe and my understanding is fine - so thanks
Jan 29 17:05:26 <jesperj> drose379: yeah
Jan 29 17:05:57 <drose379> Ok, see to the right where it says "Need help"
Jan 29 17:06:01 <drose379> Use that email form
Jan 29 17:06:06 <drose379> Tell him you situation
Jan 29 17:06:25 <drose379> Ask him if it would be ok if you used his code in your open-source project
Jan 29 17:06:32 <drose379> And be done with it :)
Jan 29 17:06:57 <jesperj> drose379: I tried the email form, the submit button gives "No such page" <_<
Jan 29 17:07:33 <jesperj> Thing is, I have already published the project source code as open source... I should have asked for permission first
Jan 29 17:08:06 <pfn> jesperj, remove it and rewrite
Jan 29 17:08:08 <drose379> You are fine, he would not have posted the class online if he did not want people to learn from it and use it
Jan 29 17:08:19 <drose379> or that, yeah
Jan 29 17:08:29 <SimonVT> jesperj: If it's not under a license that permits you to use the code, you have no legal right to use it
Jan 29 17:09:10 <pfn> Code posted without copyright attribution is generally public domain
Jan 29 17:09:43 <jesperj> SimonVT: So... basically when someone posts code like that on a blog post, if it's not explicitly stated that it is "free to use", it isn't... :(
Jan 29 17:10:11 <pfn> if the page/site doesn't have a copyright...
Jan 29 17:10:16 <theblang> can I use a Network Interceptor from okhttp 2.2 to actually grab a new auth token and retry if current auth token is expired?
Jan 29 17:10:20 <jesperj> pfn: there is a Copyright footer on the website
Jan 29 17:10:45 <pfn> then consider it restricted unless otherwise noted
Jan 29 17:10:48 <JakeWharton> theblang: no. Application
Jan 29 17:11:13 <pfn> jesperj, remove, rewrite
Jan 29 17:11:24 <JakeWharton> theblang: network interceptors cannot retry
Jan 29 17:11:33 <theblang> JakeWharton: So this is possible with Application interceptor then?  I was about to try to learn RxJava, but honestly, if I could do this retry I won't really need RxJava right now
Jan 29 17:19:00 <SimonVT> The author has the rights to the content, copyright notice or not..
Jan 29 17:24:14 <groxx> pfn: in the USA at least, I'm reasonably sure that things are automatically copyrighted unless you say otherwise.
Jan 29 17:25:05 <drose379> So theres no reason why CardView would not work on android 4.2.2.
Jan 29 17:25:28 <SimonVT> CardView works back to api7.
Jan 29 17:25:36 <pfn> yeah, but it's hard to enforce
Jan 29 17:25:53 <groxx> jesperj: alternatively, if it's relatively isolated, you could delete the code and just include "implement this: link" instead. it won't compile out of the box, but that's probably fine
Jan 29 17:26:00 <drose379> SimonVT I created the cardview and passed it to my adapter and there was literally no change
Jan 29 17:26:21 <SimonVT> Then you're doing it wrong
Jan 29 17:26:39 <drose379> SimonVT your right I forgot to change something in my adapter
Jan 29 17:26:48 <groxx> pfn: that can definitely be true :)
Jan 29 17:28:04 <drose379> SimonVT would you take a look at the XML for me?
Jan 29 17:28:08 <drose379> Cant figure out why its not working
Jan 29 17:29:27 <drose379> Wait...Waitt..
Jan 29 17:38:23 <jesperj> yeah... thanks
Jan 29 17:38:53 <jesperj> I'm really considering deleting the whole fucking project, and abandon the project I'm working on. I'm apparently too fucked up mentally to be able to deal with this shit
Jan 29 17:39:25 <jesperj> I'll pull the published project from sourceforge and unpublish it from google play. fuck it
Jan 29 17:40:07 <jesperj> </mental breakdown>
Jan 29 17:40:33 <Syzygy> I can't seem to find any decent resources on how to use the google developer API to verify purchases and stuff like that.
Jan 29 17:41:06 <Syzygy> like, which API keys I need for what
Jan 29 17:41:42 <Syzygy> can someone point me in the right direction?
Jan 29 17:42:52 <Napalm> Syzygy: did you even bother reading the documentation?
Jan 29 17:43:27 <Syzygy> yes, but admitedly I skipped parts like publishing since that's of no concern to me
Jan 29 17:43:31 <Syzygy> might have skipped something on accident
Jan 29 17:43:33 <Napalm> Syzygy: http://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/ http://developer.android.com/training/in-app-billing/
Jan 29 17:44:29 <Syzygy> neither of those concern themself much with the backend side of purchase verification.
Jan 29 17:44:39 <Napalm> you mean server side?
Jan 29 17:45:26 <Syzygy> yes
Jan 29 17:46:01 <Napalm> http://developer.android.com/google/play/billing/gp-purchase-status-api.html#subscriptions_api_overview
Jan 29 17:46:02 <Syzygy> somewhere on one of those sites it states that this should be done serverside
Jan 29 17:46:52 <Napalm> https://developers.google.com/android-publisher/
Jan 29 17:48:29 <Syzygy> and now i'm back to the point where I can't really find any good samples or guidelines on how to do stuff.
Jan 29 17:48:33 <Syzygy> on that page
Jan 29 17:48:38 <Napalm> serious?
Jan 29 17:48:46 <Napalm> theres code
Jan 29 17:49:01 <Napalm> on the main left part "client libraries and code samples"
Jan 29 17:49:18 <Napalm> https://developers.google.com/android-publisher/api-ref/purchases/products/get
Jan 29 17:49:25 <Napalm> looks simple enough to me
Jan 29 17:49:35 <Syzygy> all for publishing, none for working with purchases
Jan 29 17:49:43 <Napalm> dude
Jan 29 17:49:52 <Napalm> SAME SHIT
Jan 29 17:49:55 <Syzygy> and the reference doesn't even state how to connect to the servers.
Jan 29 17:49:55 <Napalm> lol
Jan 29 17:50:00 <Napalm> lol
Jan 29 17:50:05 <Napalm> HTTPS
Jan 29 17:50:29 <Syzygy> sure, but stuff like url, which authentification keys and so on
Jan 29 17:50:51 <Napalm> what?
Jan 29 17:51:13 <sonOfRa> Is it possible that these errors: http://pastebin.com/i31J7JsS were caused because I have a class that is way too large? https://gist.github.com/sonOfRa/582c4fd87715a0a9d795 this is protobuf generated code, about 12k lines, it's the generated "lite" code for this proto file: https://github.com/sonOfRa/tox4j/blob/master/src/main/protobuf/Core.proto
Jan 29 17:52:13 <Napalm> no
Jan 29 17:52:45 <Napalm> it just looks like the im.tox.tox4j.ToxCoreImpl library/external is screwed up
Jan 29 17:52:57 <sonOfRa> hm
Jan 29 17:53:27 <sonOfRa> What might be a reason for the verifier rejecting the class?
Jan 29 17:53:34 <Napalm> READ THE LOG
Jan 29 17:53:38 <Napalm> it tells you the many reasons
Jan 29 17:54:24 <Napalm> sonOfRa: did you compile this code with java 6/7?
Jan 29 17:54:29 <Syzygy> crap, gotta go. Thanks for trying to help Napalm. I'll check out the samples again, maybe I was to lazy while skimming over it earlier.
Jan 29 17:54:52 <Napalm> Syzygy: the download has all the needed dependencies like google-oauth-client
Jan 29 17:54:57 <Napalm> Syzygy: looks fine to me
Jan 29 17:55:06 <sonOfRa> oh, the build machine might be using java 7, because there aren't any ancient java6 builds around anymore
Jan 29 17:55:07 <sonOfRa> *sigh*
Jan 29 17:55:13 <Syzygy> I have the libraries as well.
Jan 29 17:55:37 <Napalm> you can still use java 7 just compile with compat for java 6
Jan 29 17:56:21 <sonOfRa> Shouldn't gradle do that automatically when used with android? Or is the gradle tooling not that good yet?
Jan 29 17:56:36 <Napalm> yes and yes
Jan 29 17:56:53 <Napalm> are you including the .AAR in your project or a JAR?
Jan 29 17:57:46 <sonOfRa> jar. I'm currently assuming that something went wrong in the jar build process, rather than the android build process
Jan 29 18:12:47 <drose379> Ok is there like a percent width for android XML
Jan 29 18:12:56 <drose379> I want a card to be like 97% of the width
Jan 29 18:13:26 <drose379> Just typed in 97% and it looks fine..
Jan 29 18:13:43 <drose379> Hmm, dont think so
Jan 29 18:13:55 <TacticalJoke> I don't believe so, drose379.  I think you have to use layout_weight with LinearLayout.
Jan 29 18:14:17 <drose379> Oh hey TacticalJoke
Jan 29 18:14:19 <TacticalJoke> Hey.
Jan 29 18:14:26 <drose379> Started using CardView :D
Jan 29 18:14:29 <TacticalJoke> Is this for padding?
Jan 29 18:14:31 <TacticalJoke> Nice.
Jan 29 18:14:35 <TacticalJoke> I haven't used that yet.
Jan 29 18:15:16 <drose379> The card stretches almoast the entire length of the screen though
Jan 29 18:15:30 <drose379> Trying to change that
Jan 29 18:16:15 <lfrdw> is there a good place to find components for android apps, like cocoacontrols.com for ios?
Jan 29 18:16:29 <TacticalJoke> Consider this: https://www.google.com/search?q=cardview+padding
Jan 29 18:17:12 <drose379> Thanks TacticalJoke
Jan 29 18:17:32 <drose379> TacticalJoke have you ever created a tab view
Jan 29 18:17:38 <TacticalJoke> Never.
Jan 29 18:17:48 <drose379> Oh, I think im gonna try to use one
Jan 29 18:17:51 <TacticalJoke> Actually, once, but only for about five minutes.
Jan 29 18:17:56 <drose379> What about drag-drop??
Jan 29 18:18:16 <TacticalJoke> nAH.
Jan 29 18:18:18 <TacticalJoke> Nah.*
Jan 29 18:18:50 <drose379> Gonna try to do something with those two
Jan 29 18:19:36 <s73v3r> a TabView killed my father
Jan 29 18:19:48 <drose379> What happend?
Jan 29 18:20:56 <drose379> Ok I have a question: Should an activity _have_ the methods that it needs to get all the  data that it shows
Jan 29 18:20:57 <TacticalJoke> Google's reply: "Priority: Small"
Jan 29 18:21:15 <drose379> _or_ should it use a seperate class to get the data
Jan 29 18:22:32 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  What do you mean by "get the data"?
Jan 29 18:22:52 <TacticalJoke> If we're talking, for example, downloading, I'd say that downloading should be entirely separate from a GUI component such as an activity class.
Jan 29 18:22:55 <drose379> Well alot of my app uses HTTP and JSON to grab and read/write data from MYSQL
Jan 29 18:23:20 <drose379> So should I have those methods that grab seperate from the Actiivty
Jan 29 18:23:28 <drose379> And just have the activity call them
Jan 29 18:24:37 <TacticalJoke> Without looking at your exact code, I'd guess at 'yes'.  That kind of thing should be independent of the UI.  The UI class should simply know of a class that does it (rather than the UI class doing it itself).
Jan 29 18:24:47 <TacticalJoke> This makes it much easier to change the UI later (or change the downloader functionality later).
Jan 29 18:24:56 <drose379> Yeah, Im gonna start doing it that way
Jan 29 18:25:07 <TacticalJoke> It also tends to make classes easier to understand: they do just one "thing".
Jan 29 18:25:08 <drose379> I tried it for my last activity and liked the way it worked
Jan 29 18:25:11 <drose379> Right
Jan 29 18:25:37 <TacticalJoke> The best scenario in general is that UI classes are experts on the UI and nothing else, while HTTP/JSON/whatever classes are experts on HTTP/JSON/whatever.
Jan 29 18:26:02 <drose379> Right. Also, generally, is it bad to have a Application rely on Http?
Jan 29 18:26:25 <drose379> Id like to maybe save to MYSQL on the web then maybe make a copy of it on the devices local storage
Jan 29 18:31:00 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I'm not sure I understand your question.  An app might have to depend on HTTP.
Jan 29 18:31:08 <drose379> Ok, yeah.
Jan 29 18:31:18 <drose379> Mine does, just didnt know if it was a bad thing
Jan 29 18:31:36 <pfn> damn, that's one hell of a monolog
Jan 29 18:31:50 <drose379> monolog?
Jan 29 18:31:57 <pfn> talking by yourself
Jan 29 18:32:06 <drose379> me?
Jan 29 18:32:16 <pfn> you're not? ignore list OP
Jan 29 18:32:34 <drose379> hm
Jan 29 18:35:32 <groxx> pfn: I noticed something like that yesterday. I forget the details. but TacticalJoke has been responding.
Jan 29 18:36:03 <TacticalJoke> I have him on ignore; I guess he has me on ignore.  Life is bliss.
Jan 29 18:37:47 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I don't really see a problem with an app having an HTTP depedency.  A lot of apps have it; it's not going away anytime soon.
Jan 29 18:38:18 <drose379> Got it, but a local DB as a back up for when the person has no internet would be cool right?
Jan 29 18:38:46 <TacticalJoke> Ah, I see your point.
Jan 29 18:38:54 <TacticalJoke> So you're storing stuff remotely right now?
Jan 29 18:38:58 <drose379> Yes
Jan 29 18:39:43 <groxx> I'm fond of local dbs for offline use, yeah
Jan 29 18:40:06 <drose379> Is there a way to copy MYSQL DB onto local?
Jan 29 18:40:09 <drose379> Or
Jan 29 18:40:12 <groxx> complicates things a bit, but it's so much nicer to use
Jan 29 18:40:22 <drose379> A local DB?
Jan 29 18:41:03 <groxx> drose379: mysql specifically: no.  copy data into an sqlite db hat probably behaves the same way: yeah
Jan 29 18:41:32 <drose379> so I cant copy mysql to sqlite
Jan 29 18:41:43 <drose379> But I _can_ take the data and insert it right into the sqlite
Jan 29 18:44:11 <groxx> yep
Jan 29 18:44:31 <drose379> Sweet, thanks
Jan 29 18:51:00 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  FWIW, some apps consider local storage to be the primary option, and they might also offer remote storage as a backup/synchronization-between-devices thing.
Jan 29 18:51:07 <TacticalJoke> So, in those cases, there are two distinct things going on.
Jan 29 18:51:35 <drose379> Yeah true, I was thinking of having a web interface for this too, so I would need accurate data in the remote DB for that
Jan 29 18:51:36 <TacticalJoke> BTW, are you always gonna have the server up for the lifetime of this app?
Jan 29 18:51:56 <drose379> Im gonna have to yeah
Jan 29 18:51:59 <TacticalJoke> I guess you'll have to consider what your app will do if the server is just never available.
Jan 29 18:52:06 <drose379> Right
Jan 29 18:53:21 <drose379> How much does a server cost for a year
Jan 29 18:53:51 <g00s> wow, inkscape 0.91
Jan 29 18:53:54 <TacticalJoke> Are you renting a server already?
Jan 29 18:54:08 <drose379> Not renting really, I have a shared host for a year
Jan 29 18:54:11 <drose379> Got it for free
Jan 29 18:54:43 <thepoosh> g00s:
Jan 29 18:55:44 <g00s> hey thepoosh
Jan 29 18:57:05 <thepoosh> sup?
Jan 29 18:57:19 <g00s> another glorious day !
Jan 29 18:57:31 <thepoosh> hmmm
Jan 29 18:57:36 <thepoosh> it's morning by you now?
Jan 29 18:57:56 <g00s> yeah kinda :D
Jan 29 18:58:22 <thepoosh> hmmm
Jan 29 18:58:23 <g00s> thepoosh my client said you highlighted me but i didn't see anythng O.o
Jan 29 18:58:32 <thepoosh> wut?
Jan 29 18:58:37 <thepoosh> when?
Jan 29 18:58:40 <g00s> yeha ok, a bug or something. nm
Jan 29 18:58:45 <TacticalJoke> I too didn't see anything.
Jan 29 18:58:50 <TacticalJoke> <thepoosh> g00s:
Jan 29 18:58:57 <g00s> hehe, sorry thepoosh to wake you up :)
Jan 29 18:59:08 <thepoosh> you didn't
Jan 29 18:59:17 <thepoosh> 20:54 thepoosh: g00s:
Jan 29 18:59:17 <thepoosh> 20:55 g00s has left IRC (Client Quit)
Jan 29 18:59:17 <thepoosh> 20:55 g00s has joined (~textual@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/g00s)
Jan 29 18:59:25 <thepoosh> i did ping you
Jan 29 18:59:35 <TacticalJoke> I feel like #kotlin is a secret society.
Jan 29 18:59:38 <TacticalJoke> Full of defectors.
Jan 29 19:00:14 <Ashiren> kotlin? ketchup maker?
Jan 29 19:00:57 <TacticalJoke> That new JetBrains language.
Jan 29 19:02:24 <dinamic> I have created a theme and style for my application which works greate, however i also want to change the theme of the preview when showing tasks running, how is that deon ?
Jan 29 19:08:13 <TacticalJoke> This is awesome: "Studio and the Android Gradle plugin now support unit testing, starting from version 1.1.": https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/127255/
Jan 29 19:08:17 <TacticalJoke> Can't wait for actual release.  :)
Jan 29 19:11:45 <drose379> TacticalJoke so AS will test smaller pieces of code?
Jan 29 19:11:52 <john67> herriojr: salut
Jan 29 19:12:28 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  It means that we will be able to run unit tests on the JVM (i.e., on your computer rather than on devices or the emulator) without creating separate modules just for this.
Jan 29 19:12:39 <TacticalJoke> (Or without jumping through similar hoops.)
Jan 29 19:12:52 <drose379> No way
Jan 29 19:12:56 <john67> good evening
Jan 29 19:12:59 <drose379> How will we test it without a device?
Jan 29 19:13:04 <s73v3r> So has anyone seen what that is actually going to look like?
Jan 29 19:13:48 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Since our code boils down to Java bytecode, this is possible.
Jan 29 19:13:51 <TacticalJoke> It simply runs on the JVM.
Jan 29 19:14:00 <drose379> hmm, cool
Jan 29 19:14:01 <TacticalJoke> (At some point it boils down to Java bytecode.)
Jan 29 19:14:10 <drose379> So its only for java, cant test XML layouts and things
Jan 29 19:14:17 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Jan 29 19:14:22 <drose379> Thats great
Jan 29 19:14:29 <drose379> :D
Jan 29 19:14:32 <TacticalJoke> Some Android-specific stuff can be tested, though, by way of mocking.
Jan 29 19:14:43 <drose379> Hm,ok
Jan 29 19:14:49 <TacticalJoke> The idea is that you substitute the Android class with a "fake" version -- then you can test the logic that uses the Android class.
Jan 29 19:15:23 <drose379> Got it
Jan 29 19:20:13 <Mavrik> There's even a huge mock library that reimplements most of Android API for testing :)
Jan 29 19:20:14 <Mavrik> Robolectric :)
Jan 29 19:25:35 <gman23> I've got a question
Jan 29 19:25:59 <s73v3r> I’ve got a snarky response
Jan 29 19:25:59 <gman23> I have a cardview with a linearlayout inside it. I change the orientation programmatically and also what it displays
Jan 29 19:26:55 <gman23> So the cardview expands, which is great,.
Jan 29 19:27:28 <gman23> It's in a RecyclerView though and while it's animating to expand 1) It looks like crap
Jan 29 19:27:42 <gman23> 2) If I scroll while it's expanding, I get some weird artifacts
Jan 29 19:28:24 <gman23> So I'm wondering how someone might go about doing collapsable/expandable cardviews in a RecyclerView
Jan 29 19:28:28 <s73v3r> disable scrolling while it’s expanding for an easy fix to #2
Jan 29 19:28:52 <PsciCodeliXHAT> hello guys I have installed my aplication on device, How do I know the package name do a monkey test?
Jan 29 19:28:55 <gman23> oh, that's a good idea.
Jan 29 19:28:58 <s73v3r> As for #1, define “looks like crap”
Jan 29 19:29:07 <alexfu> i just noticed, annotation processing is no longer an option in Android Studio
Jan 29 19:29:39 <gman23> Well, I have a list of cards. All cards below the one expanding just suddenly  snap lower to where the expanding card will end its expanding animation
Jan 29 19:30:50 <gman23> as it collapses, the cards below snap back up to where the card will be collapsed, hiding the animation to a point
Jan 29 19:31:29 <s73v3r> is your animation on the cardview class, or the recyclerview class?
Jan 29 19:31:35 <theblang> so with an application interceptor in the new OkHttpClient, is it okay for me to call a method from my Service that was made with the client?  So like, in the interceptor, if my cached auth token is expired, grab a new one then pass the chain in the callback?
Jan 29 19:31:42 <alexfu> is there an alternative way to configure annotation processing? Gradle?
Jan 29 19:31:46 <PsciCodeliXHAT> I found the answe
Jan 29 19:32:10 <s73v3r> Psci: If you found the answer, you should say what it was
Jan 29 19:32:14 <gman23> Well, see, there's no actual animation. What I'm REALLY doing is just setting a LinearLayout's orientation from horizontal to vertical (expands the card view) and then from vertical to horizontal (collapses)
Jan 29 19:32:22 <gman23> Android is just kind of...doing it for me
Jan 29 19:32:38 <s73v3r> PsciCodeliXHAT: http://xkcd.com/979/
Jan 29 19:33:14 <s73v3r> that would probably be your issue. You’d need to write a transition animation
Jan 29 19:33:34 <gman23> Okay. This is brand new to me
Jan 29 19:35:56 <Niya> what does android.support.v4.content.LocalBroadcastManager provide compatibility for? that is, what's the "real" class?
Jan 29 19:36:05 <s73v3r> so the user touches the card, you flip the orientation, and the user does stuff with the card, or looks at info. then they touch it again, and you flip the orientation back?
Jan 29 19:36:10 <TacticalJoke> gman23:  Are you using multiple view types?
Jan 29 19:38:09 <g00s> Niya its a utiilty class only in the support lib
Jan 29 19:40:25 <Niya> g00s: i see. thank you
Jan 29 19:42:15 <gman23> s73v3r: yeah
Jan 29 19:42:25 <gman23> basically the card expands to reveal more information
Jan 29 19:42:33 <s73v3r> why do you flip the orientation?
Jan 29 19:42:44 <PsciCodeliXHAT> hello, my aplication has a back button that's take out of aplication, and when I test it with monkey, I get a problem cuz it's not anymore inside my app...someone know how can I avoid it?
Jan 29 19:42:48 <gman23> What I do is clear the linear layout of all views, change orientation, then add new views to it
Jan 29 19:43:05 <PsciCodeliXHAT> to say to monkey to not click in some place
Jan 29 19:43:10 <gman23> When the card is collapsed, the LL has a bunch of icons added to it
Jan 29 19:43:19 <TacticalJoke> gman23:  Sounds like it should be a separate view type.
Jan 29 19:43:33 <alexfu> has anyone successfully been able to configure Dagger with Gradle?
Jan 29 19:43:39 <JakeWharton> me
Jan 29 19:43:45 <s73v3r> either that, or takes you to a new activity
Jan 29 19:44:01 <gman23> when it is expanded, it shows those icons with a description to the right of it
Jan 29 19:44:07 <gman23> that itself is a custom view, btw
Jan 29 19:44:22 <JakeWharton> alexfu: https://github.com/JakeWharton/Telecine/blob/8eda525746550512f2531e91e6a398023184550b/telecine/build.gradle#L77-L78
Jan 29 19:44:24 <gman23> Drawable on the left, TextView on the right
Jan 29 19:44:45 <gman23> s73v3r: If you're talking to me, opening a new activity isn't an option
Jan 29 19:44:55 <s73v3r> I’m thinking the changing orientation part isn’t really the best way to go about it
Jan 29 19:44:59 <s73v3r> why not?
Jan 29 19:45:03 <gman23> Oh, probably not
Jan 29 19:45:14 <gman23> I am looking for other solutions
Jan 29 19:45:32 <gman23> Because the design is expand the card, show more info
Jan 29 19:45:54 <gman23> TacticalJoke: What do you mean separate view type?
Jan 29 19:46:07 <gman23> Also, don't forget, these cards are inside a RecyclerView
Jan 29 19:46:40 <gman23> The cardview actually does what it's supposed to, but it's like the recyclerview doesn't handle the expand/collapse nicely
Jan 29 19:46:48 <alexfu> JakeWharton: I've got the same setup. I keep getting the "Please ensure code generation was run for this module"
Jan 29 19:47:01 <s73v3r> gman23: Have you looked into Activity Transitions?
Jan 29 19:47:09 <TacticalJoke> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/RecyclerView.Adapter.html#getItemViewType(int)
Jan 29 19:47:21 <alexfu> oh wait
Jan 29 19:47:49 <gman23> s73v3r: No. And unfortunately, I don't have authority to change how this is designed
Jan 29 19:48:05 <gman23> It just cannot be a new activity.
Jan 29 19:48:16 <gman23> The user needs a bunch of information at a glance
Jan 29 19:48:25 <gman23> by scrolling through the cards
Jan 29 19:48:30 <s73v3r> gman23: None of that states that it can’t be a new activity
Jan 29 19:48:57 <s73v3r> gman23: But if you’re going to keep it in a ListView, have you tried simply animating a view change in onItemClick?
Jan 29 19:48:58 <gman23> When I think of new activity, I think of opening an entirely new screen
Jan 29 19:49:04 <gman23> Am I wrong?
Jan 29 19:50:02 <s73v3r> gman23: With Lollipop and the new compatibility library, Android comes with Activity Transition animations, which, while they go to new screens, kinda hide that from the user. And you can have something, such as your card view, anchor between both screens, so it looks seamless
Jan 29 19:50:28 <gman23> Ah, yeah. I can't have that.
Jan 29 19:50:41 <gman23> Not that it isn't a good idea
Jan 29 19:50:44 <john67> hello
Jan 29 19:50:48 <gman23> But my hands are tied here.
Jan 29 19:51:06 <s73v3r> then onItemClick and animating to a different view is probably your best option
Jan 29 19:51:18 <s73v3r> activity transitions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhiPJByIMrM
Jan 29 19:56:04 <gman23> TacticalJoke: Were you linking that to me?
Jan 29 19:56:19 <gman23> s73v3r: I might want to check out transitions api or something
Jan 29 19:56:42 <TacticalJoke> Mhmm.
Jan 29 19:57:20 <TacticalJoke> I'm no RecyclerView expert, but my understanding is that it uses the same basic idea of recycling views based on type (and therefore it makes sense to use the view-type thing for performance).
Jan 29 19:57:32 <TacticalJoke> (The same idea as ListView uses.)
Jan 29 19:57:49 <gman23> Well if I touch it, it should animate its expansion
Jan 29 19:58:09 <s73v3r> yeah. If you’re not going to do an activity, then you’re going to want to listen for an item click, and then use a transition animation to switch the normal cardview for the expanded one. The recyclerview needs to know about all the different types of views that can be displayed in your app, so it can create an appropriate pool of views to reuse
Jan 29 19:59:06 <gman23> I wish there was a way to animate the expansion of a cell in the recyclerview because that's essentially all I'm doing.
Jan 29 19:59:29 <gman23> I'm wanting*
Jan 29 20:00:53 <s73v3r> gman23: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12522348/how-can-i-make-a-cell-in-a-listview-in-android-expand-and-contract-vertically-wh
Jan 29 20:01:04 <s73v3r> RecyclerView should be the same idea
Jan 29 20:03:06 <Zta> Anyone who can teach me how make a button and transition like that of the "pen" button in the Tumblr app?
Jan 29 20:03:23 <TacticalJoke> Is there a keyboard shortcut for "Open All Classes in Package" in IntelliJ?
Jan 29 20:03:35 <TacticalJoke> I've tried Ctrl+N, Ctrl+Shift+N, and Ctrl+Shift+Alt+N.  No joy.
Jan 29 20:03:54 <Zta> There's a lot going on when that button is pushed, but for starters I'd like to know how a transition to a dialog (or activity) like that is made.
Jan 29 20:04:02 <g00s> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/microsoft-to-invest-in-cyanogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
Jan 29 20:04:54 <s73v3r> someone in the comments to that story had the idea that CM, MS, Amazon, Ouya, et al should come up with a standardized implementation of the Google Play Services ApI
Jan 29 20:05:07 <gman23> Thanks s73v3r and TacticalJoke for the help. I think I've got enough of a lead to try some stuff out now.
Jan 29 20:05:14 <g00s> "Cyanogen's CEO said the company's goal was to "take Android away from Google." It wants to replace the Google Play ecosystem with apps of its own, the same way that Amazon uses the Android Open Source Project" huh
Jan 29 20:05:15 <s73v3r> one in which they could easily plug in their backends
Jan 29 20:05:27 <s73v3r> gman23: let us know how it went, and what you ended up doing
Jan 29 20:05:40 <gman23> Alright, hopefully it'll be a decent solution
Jan 29 20:05:41 <gman23> lol
Jan 29 20:05:45 <crised> Does android support openvpn?
Jan 29 20:06:14 <AKK9> Guys, if I have as table with 10 columns and I'm updating a row, is there a performance difference between updating 1 column, and updating all columns?
Jan 29 20:06:15 <bynarie> crised, was that ur topic on stackoverflow?
Jan 29 20:06:27 <AKK9> In SQLite
Jan 29 20:06:58 <crised> bynarie: this is what I'm trying to achieve, stream video from android to a server
Jan 29 20:07:20 <AKK9> I have an object stored in SQL and wondering if I should make methods to update specific properties which will be updated more frequently than the other.
Jan 29 20:07:22 <bynarie> crised, did u look into that second post where theres a link for some open source stuff???
Jan 29 20:07:41 <AKK9> Or if I should just update the whole row each time, if there is negligable perf difference.
Jan 29 20:07:48 <bynarie> crised, my favs are always nexus devices.... nexus 5, nexus 6
Jan 29 20:07:50 <bynarie> etc..
Jan 29 20:08:46 <crised> bynarie: yes, but I'm talking much much cheaeper
Jan 29 20:10:27 <gdrc> hey
Jan 29 20:12:00 <theblang> s73v3r: That would be interesting, if they came up with a standardized replacement for Google Play Services
Jan 29 20:12:36 <s73v3r> it would be hard to keep it in sync with the real deal, but it would definitely make porting things easier
Jan 29 20:12:37 <mchelen> crised: used nexus 4?
Jan 29 20:13:38 <crised> mchelen: have that too
Jan 29 20:13:47 <mark4> if i have an xml document with <CGroup name="blah">  how do i extract the blah name because xpath.evaluate just gives me a "" empty string
Jan 29 20:14:27 <crised> mchelen: MotoE seems nice
Jan 29 20:17:50 <g00s> there might be a new moto E coming out soon
Jan 29 20:18:35 <TacticalJoke> It's funny how Microsoft makes more money from Android than from Windows Phone.
Jan 29 20:18:56 <mchelen> how do they make money from android, app sales?
Jan 29 20:19:04 <trevor-e> licensing
Jan 29 20:19:22 <mchelen> licensing what?
Jan 29 20:19:35 <g00s> patents
Jan 29 20:19:36 <lewellyn> TacticalJoke: they killed their golden goose when they slaughtered Windows Mobile to invent Windows Phone.
Jan 29 20:19:40 <regan> bogus tech based on bogus lawsuits
Jan 29 20:19:45 <mchelen> ah ok
Jan 29 20:19:49 <Levite> I heard BoA is pulling their apps from the platform
Jan 29 20:20:03 <Levite> Chase already has I believe
Jan 29 20:20:05 <lewellyn> mchelen: they have lots of enterprise solutions on android.
Jan 29 20:20:16 <theblang> Levite: which platform?
Jan 29 20:20:24 <Levite> Windows Phone
Jan 29 20:20:29 <theblang> Levite: oh wow
Jan 29 20:20:30 <mchelen> lewellyn: ah yeah thats what i was wondering
Jan 29 20:20:34 <regan> I’ve had more downloads of a single app on iOS then 4 Windows Phone apps over a year
Jan 29 20:20:36 <TacticalJoke> Ah, I never used Windows Mobile.
Jan 29 20:20:50 <trevor-e> I've heard it's nice to develop for
Jan 29 20:20:52 <TacticalJoke> I wonder how Windows 10 will be received on smartphones.
Jan 29 20:20:54 <regan> single iOS on release day
Jan 29 20:20:55 <theblang> lewellyn: how did they kill their golden goose, Window Mobile's market share was extremely small
Jan 29 20:21:00 <trevor-e> and I only hear good things about the devices
Jan 29 20:21:02 <lewellyn> TacticalJoke: you missed out, honestly. it was a competent platform.
Jan 29 20:21:05 <trevor-e> they just got in too late
Jan 29 20:21:20 <lewellyn> theblang: in the consumer space, yes. note the rapidity of the enterprise customers suing when they killed 6.5.
Jan 29 20:21:43 <g00s> i have a windows phone and like it, but the app store, and apps suck
Jan 29 20:21:58 <g00s> mostly just use the official stuff from ms
Jan 29 20:22:05 <lewellyn> "as of today, this platform is dead" is a bad thing when you inked multi-year contracts a few months prior.
Jan 29 20:22:22 <theblang> lewellyn: lol, yeah
Jan 29 20:22:22 <lewellyn> to this day, you can buy windows mobile 6.5 devices from motorola and symbol, though.
Jan 29 20:22:29 <regan> I got two windows phones one was the cheapest I could buy and the other was won for an app I wrote
Jan 29 20:22:40 <mark4> anyone can answer my xml question
Jan 29 20:22:41 <mark4> ?
Jan 29 20:22:57 <lewellyn> let's just say that a $1000 phone does a lot. but none of it's useful to most people here. :)
Jan 29 20:23:06 <AKK9> mark4, go ask in android-dev
Jan 29 20:23:08 <AKK9> oh wait
Jan 29 20:23:33 <g00s> or maybe #xml or #xpath :)
Jan 29 20:23:40 <lewellyn> unless you really WANT to be writing inventory scanners that connect to SAP in a back office over an application-private IPSec connection :P
Jan 29 20:23:46 <mark4> i thought i WAS in #android-dev wtf lol
Jan 29 20:24:08 <lewellyn> mark4: i think AKK9 was being funny.
Jan 29 20:24:24 <mark4> lewellyn, you dont say lol
Jan 29 20:24:28 <lewellyn> but it's not an android-specific question, and i don't know the answer anyhow. xpath frustrates me.
Jan 29 20:25:15 <AKK9> i tried
Jan 29 20:25:24 <JesusFreke> mark4: you might mention the xpath query you're trying to evaluate :)
Jan 29 20:25:39 <mark4> JesusFreke, what do you mean?
Jan 29 20:25:55 <JesusFreke> you showed the piece of xml.. that's not what you're trying to evaluate, I hope?
Jan 29 20:25:58 <lewellyn> mark4: you didn't give the query :)
Jan 29 20:26:03 <JesusFreke> that's not how xpath works.. :)
Jan 29 20:26:19 <mark4> "<CGroup name="blah">  <-- groupName = xpath.evaluate("name", group);
Jan 29 20:26:22 <lewellyn> JesusFreke: as if xpath actually WORKS anyhow. :)
Jan 29 20:26:34 <lewellyn> what it works best for is selling more alcohol.
Jan 29 20:26:57 <mark4> lewellyn, it works on everything except this part where i am using it, only this part isnt working. im assuming its because im doing something wrong, not "its broken"
Jan 29 20:27:25 <lewellyn> mark4: i'm opinionated and negative.
Jan 29 20:27:27 <mark4> groupName is "" after thatn
Jan 29 20:27:43 <mark4> lewellyn, so am i. but 99 times out of 100 its MY fsckup lol
Jan 29 20:27:53 <lewellyn> it probably is yet again.
Jan 29 20:27:57 <lewellyn> look, positive! :D
Jan 29 20:28:13 <AKK9> In Android SQLite db, is there a performance different between updating multiple fields vs updating a single field?
Jan 29 20:28:43 <lewellyn> i'll leave it in JesusFreke's hands though. i don't currently have the patience or bandwidth. i'm trying to write up a post-call thing with a solutions provider.
Jan 29 20:29:09 <lewellyn> that's aggravating when you suspect politics at play, and you have mixed feelings about the thing.
Jan 29 20:29:37 <AKK9> I'm using ContentValues so the only differnce is the amount of values in ContentValues that I pass to db.update()
Jan 29 20:30:55 <JesusFreke> mark4: it's been a while since I've done xpath, but maybe try @name
Jan 29 20:31:08 <john67> im using the doc  http://developer.android.com/training/sharing/shareaction.html for the menuItem  but i got this error , at android.support.v7.internal.view.menu.MenuItemImpl.getActionProvider(MenuItemImpl.java:645)
Jan 29 20:31:09 <mark4> JesusFreke, ty let me try that! :)
Jan 29 20:31:13 <mark4> worth a shot lol
Jan 29 20:31:16 <john67> i dont understand why
Jan 29 20:31:20 <john67> i got this error
Jan 29 20:31:34 <tariq> Hi guys
Jan 29 20:31:56 <john67> i have tried this https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/ShareActionProvider.html but i got cant cast
Jan 29 20:32:06 <john67> how can i solve the problem
Jan 29 20:32:26 <tariq> anyone here experienced with the bluetooth stock? I've been trying to connect two devices simultaneously to my app. I've gotten quite far but often the connection fails with "service discovery failed"
Jan 29 20:32:42 <tariq> I've spent days looking into stackoverflow and dredging google
Jan 29 20:32:53 <tariq> I'm completely lost
Jan 29 20:32:58 <Rashad> Hello tariq.
Jan 29 20:32:58 <shekibobo> if I want different strings in different build variants, I don't need full file duplication of main/res/values/strings.xml, right
Jan 29 20:33:11 <shekibobo> I can just override the ones I want different?
Jan 29 20:33:13 <tariq> as to why the connection would establish sometimes but wouldnt some other time
Jan 29 20:33:18 <tariq> Rashad hi Rashad!
Jan 29 20:33:32 <Rashad> tariq: Where are you from?
Jan 29 20:33:33 <mark4> JesusFreke, yay! that worked :)
Jan 29 20:33:42 <JesusFreke> great :)
Jan 29 20:33:49 <tariq> Rashad London
Jan 29 20:33:55 <Rashad> Do you speak Arabic?
Jan 29 20:33:59 <tariq> no
Jan 29 20:36:30 <bigvalen> Hey. complete android dev noob here, who is struggling with IntelliJ. How does one add a .jar file (com.ibm.micro.client.mqttv3.jar, as it turns out) to an Android project, so I can call it from my App ?
Jan 29 20:37:59 <AKK9> bigvalen, you're using Android Studio?
Jan 29 20:38:37 <bigvalen> AKK9, yeah.
Jan 29 20:38:39 <wiggl3> yo Rashad how's your app going
Jan 29 20:38:54 <AKK9> Just add the .jar file to the app/libs folder
Jan 29 20:38:55 <Rashad> It's going OK.
Jan 29 20:39:00 <bigvalen> I tried to add it through 'project structure' / dependancies/ add/ file but I'm not sure that was right.
Jan 29 20:39:01 <AKK9> Where your project is saved
Jan 29 20:39:08 <wiggl3> Rashad: hamdulillah
Jan 29 20:39:16 <Rashad> wiggl3: Do I know you?
Jan 29 20:39:28 <wiggl3> nope
Jan 29 20:39:31 <bigvalen> AKK9: I don't have an app/llibs dir, I'll try that
Jan 29 20:39:41 <AKK9> Create it.
Jan 29 20:39:43 <wiggl3> you came into #english a while back i think
Jan 29 20:39:47 <AKK9> And then put the jar file in there.
Jan 29 20:39:50 <Rashad> Oh ok.
Jan 29 20:40:14 <bigvalen> AKK9, How would you create it ? right click on 'app' and create...uh...there is a lot of choice there, and nothing about plain folders or libs.
Jan 29 20:40:23 <newbQ> I'm trying to store a matrix as a txt file and I'm stuck on reading the file and separating the elements.  here's what I've got so far http://pastebin.com/JTG688q3
Jan 29 20:40:40 <AKK9> bigvalen, mate open up Windows Explorer and go to the directory
Jan 29 20:40:45 <bigvalen> oooh
Jan 29 20:41:40 <AKK9> But you can create it in Android Studio aswell though. Right click > New > Directory
Jan 29 20:41:48 <AKK9> anyways do it in Windows
Jan 29 20:42:19 <g00s> tariq try connecting to only one device at a time. also maybe do discovery one at a time.
Jan 29 20:42:19 <john67> i want to display a list with all the other app , like google, facebook,twitter ,email,skype..... when the user click on a button, how can i for example share the data with the other apps? like messaging,
Jan 29 20:42:26 <john67> how can i do so?
Jan 29 20:42:31 <AKK9> bigvalen, then add the dependancy in your app/build.gradle file.
Jan 29 20:42:44 <tariq> g00s doing them sequentially helped a great deal
Jan 29 20:42:46 <AKK9> there may already be a line that looks like : compile fileTree(include: ['*.jar'], dir: 'libs')
Jan 29 20:42:57 <tariq> but has not eliminated the problem
Jan 29 20:43:13 <tariq> how do I do only one discovery at a time?
Jan 29 20:43:20 <tariq> dont seem to understand that
Jan 29 20:43:29 <g00s> tariq also note on android 4.3 there is weird shit with bondable devices, and on 4.4 sometimes bonding doesn't work
Jan 29 20:43:36 <g00s> if you need btle to work use another platform :)
Jan 29 20:43:37 <AKK9> If that line is already there just go to android studio and press the 'Sync Project with Gradle' button.
Jan 29 20:43:44 <TacticalJoke> Ugh.  Jackson tries (and fails) to be helpful by making its JsonProcessingException a subclass of IOException.  But it's not an IOException.  :/  So I get warnings when I use JsonProcessingException in a 'throws' clause.
Jan 29 20:43:59 <TacticalJoke> (When that clause already mentions IOException.)
Jan 29 20:44:03 <TacticalJoke> I hate warnings.
Jan 29 20:44:10 <tariq> g00s hmm, targeting 4.2.2 for now
Jan 29 20:44:16 <bigvalen> AKK9; no, it's not there. And, when I added the 'libs' dir under apps, and restarted AndroidStudio, I didn't see it appear under 'app'.
Jan 29 20:44:21 <tariq> we have 4.2.2 devices in the office to test
Jan 29 20:44:23 <g00s> tariq oh so you are using rfcomm then ?
Jan 29 20:44:29 <tariq> yes
Jan 29 20:44:41 <g00s> ahh. i get the service discovery thing failing a lot too
Jan 29 20:44:57 <g00s> nothing you can really do about it, 4.2.2 has a shit bt stack since its the first version of bluedroid
Jan 29 20:45:05 <tariq> g00s oh wow, any luck with it
Jan 29 20:45:08 <g00s> its like the worst version of android for bt evar
Jan 29 20:45:09 <tariq> ah that sucks
Jan 29 20:45:25 <bigvalen> Hmm. idea.log has errors.
Jan 29 20:45:25 <bigvalen> 2015-01-29 20:44:43,660 [ 174607]   WARN - radle.project.ProjectSetUpTask -
Jan 29 20:45:25 <bigvalen> 2015-01-29 20:44:43,660 [ 174607]   INFO - radle.project.ProjectSetUpTask - Supplied String module notation 'com.ibm.micro.client.mqttv3' is invalid. Example notations: 'org.gradle:gradle-core:2.2', 'org.mockito:mockito-core:1.9.5:javadoc'.
Jan 29 20:45:58 <john67>  i want to display a list with all the other app , like google, facebook,twitter ,email,skype..... when the user click on a button, how can i for example share the data with the other apps? like messaging. how can i do so?
Jan 29 20:46:04 <g00s> tariq i just try to reconnect. sometimes it takes like 4-5 attempts
Jan 29 20:46:12 <AKK9> Can you put your gradle file on hastebin so i can see how it looks?
Jan 29 20:46:53 <mark4> i get to click the debug button in android stupidio about 2 times before debug stops working. the only way i have found to fix debug is to click the Build->rebuild project button
Jan 29 20:47:02 <mark4> gradle is a pile of shit. period
Jan 29 20:47:13 <bigvalen> AKK9; seems the classpath needs something after the classname, like ':version'. Any idea how to look into a jar file to see what version it is ?
Jan 29 20:47:16 <AKK9> bigvalen, and in your Project panel where you see all your files. What view are you using? There is Project, Packages, or Android. you shoudl be able to see the folder if you go to Project view.
Jan 29 20:48:38 <bigvalen> http://pastebin.com/awD3rYLq - the build.gradle
Jan 29 20:48:48 <tariq> g00s is there some custom library or addon that is possible/
Jan 29 20:48:49 <tariq> ?
Jan 29 20:49:01 <bigvalen> (the last classpath line is somethign I was messing with, it wasn't there when I broke it)
Jan 29 20:49:16 <g00s> tariq no, can't fix whats broken underneath
Jan 29 20:49:54 <tariq> is there an official acknowledgement of that somewhere so I can convince my team that we're trying to do is not feasible?
Jan 29 20:50:10 <g00s> its feasible, its just not reliable
Jan 29 20:50:27 <newbQ> is there an easy way to read a txt and split it into different elements?
Jan 29 20:50:35 <AKK9> bigvalen, okay so to add file dependencies you need to do it like this
Jan 29 20:50:40 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Depends on what you're storing.
Jan 29 20:50:52 <g00s> official acknowledgement ? tariq you can listen to dave smith talk about some things in the into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx55Sa8UZAQ
Jan 29 20:50:55 <mikedg> nothing is kimpossible
Jan 29 20:51:05 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: a matrix of doubles
Jan 29 20:51:05 <TacticalJoke> If you're storing stuff that could never contain \n, it's easy to use BufferedReader.readLine.
Jan 29 20:51:13 <tariq> ah, g00s, thanks a nunch!
Jan 29 20:51:26 <g00s> tariq that talk is btle, but he explains why things suck
Jan 29 20:51:28 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  What is this matrix for?
Jan 29 20:51:28 <AKK9> compile files('libs/mycoollibraryfile.jar')
Jan 29 20:52:17 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: to store a table of data that should be dynamically displayed
Jan 29 20:52:31 <john67> g00s: any idea?
Jan 29 20:53:43 <bigvalen> AKK9: BTW, in AndroidStudio, when I right-click on 'app' in the Project pane, I don't see a way to make a new folder. Just modules/files/packages etc.
Jan 29 20:53:54 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: here's what i've got so far if you want to take a look: http://pastebin.com/JTG688q3
Jan 29 20:53:59 <AKK9> bigvalen, make sure oyu're editing the build.gradle file which is INSIDE your app folder.
Jan 29 20:54:06 <AKK9> Not the one in the same dir as the app folder.
Jan 29 20:54:21 <tariq> bunch
Jan 29 20:54:49 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Hmm, this might be the best option (but I'm not certain since I've never read/written doubles): http://developer.android.com/reference/java/io/DataInputStream.html
Jan 29 20:54:51 <bigvalen> AKK9: Ooooh
Jan 29 20:55:03 <TacticalJoke> And <http://developer.android.com/reference/java/io/DataOutputStream.html>.
Jan 29 20:56:13 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Why are you using the hard disk here, BTW?
Jan 29 20:57:11 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: because I dont really know what I'm doing and this seemed like a good option if I want the user to be able to export the txt
Jan 29 20:58:30 <PsciCodeliXHAT> hello guys, I'm  doing adb -s b8e6587b shell monkey -p br.org.sidia.carbrazillauncher  -v 1000
Jan 29 20:58:54 <Ashiren> good for you
Jan 29 20:59:17 <mikedg> PsciCodeliXHAT: ice job broski
Jan 29 20:59:18 <bigvalen> AKK9: OK, worked out where the compile filetree stuff goes, that works fine. (in app/build.gradle) still no sign of my hand-made 'libs' dir though.
Jan 29 20:59:40 <AKK9> bigvalen, change the view to Project view instead of Android view
Jan 29 20:59:58 <AKK9> And you should see all of your folders.
Jan 29 21:00:18 <AKK9> the Android view just shows you what you'll be using 99% of the time you're developing
Jan 29 21:00:19 <PsciCodeliXHAT> to test aplication...I want to know how i do to catch output it. xml
Jan 29 21:00:38 <bigvalen> Curiously, I only see Project and Structure views on the left most bit of the window.
Jan 29 21:01:45 <theblang> is there a kosher way to get context inside of an OkHTTP Interceptor
Jan 29 21:01:56 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  I'm not sure sure whether DataInputStream and DataOutputStream produce human-friendly values.  If they don't, you might want to use BufferedInputStream and BufferedOutputStream.
Jan 29 21:01:57 <JakeWharton> pass it in the constructor
Jan 29 21:02:01 <g00s> theblang wrap it in bacon
Jan 29 21:02:08 <TacticalJoke> Oops, I mean "BufferedReader" and "BufferedWriter".
Jan 29 21:02:27 <AKK9> bigvalen, hard to explain
Jan 29 21:02:30 <AKK9> bigvalen, here: http://i.imgur.com/w4VPMuS.png
Jan 29 21:02:33 <TacticalJoke> Those support friendly text and reading/writing new-lines.
Jan 29 21:03:21 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: thanks.  I guess I wont get this finished within a week like I thought I would
Jan 29 21:03:22 <bigvalen> AKK9 Ooooh.
Jan 29 21:03:31 <bigvalen> *that* android button :)
Jan 29 21:03:47 <crised> Can turn on the flash light and leave it on all the time?
Jan 29 21:03:53 <bigvalen> Cool. They all appear there.
Jan 29 21:04:07 <crised> besides battery life, would the the flash light be destroyed?
Jan 29 21:04:09 <theblang> JakeWharton: I guess I should use the Application Context?  I have my services implemented with a singleton pattern, so if an Activity caused the Service to be created, then later the Activity is destroyed, that would be bad.
Jan 29 21:04:22 <JakeWharton> yes
Jan 29 21:04:31 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Another option would be to use SharedPreferences, but I'm not sure it's the most sensible solution here.
Jan 29 21:04:37 <TacticalJoke> It's more for simple app preferences.
Jan 29 21:05:39 <TacticalJoke> If you're storing a fixed number of values, you may be able to store them as individiaul strings in SharedPreferences.  Though whether it's the best solution is open to debate.
Jan 29 21:06:08 <bigvalen> AKK9: Awesome, the UI can find all the modules now. Joy!
Jan 29 21:06:27 <bigvalen> One step closer to being able to send PubSub messages from my Android Wear device to my garage door opener :)
Jan 29 21:06:43 <AKK9> bigvalen, yup, good luck
Jan 29 21:07:13 <bigvalen> I'm sure I'll be tearing my hair out later.
Jan 29 21:07:33 <bigvalen> Oh. Anyone seen something better than http://android-developers.blogspot.ie/2014/10/the-fastest-route-between-voice-search.html to send keywords to an App via voice activation ?
Jan 29 21:08:21 <bigvalen> Ideally, I'd have a 'garagedoor' app, and say 'OK google  garagedoor open' and .. it would send 'open' to a garagedoor app .. somehow.
Jan 29 21:09:30 <PsciCodeliXHAT> anyone?
Jan 29 21:10:14 <mikedg> bigvalen: are you related to tiny valen?
Jan 29 21:10:59 <bigvalen> mikedg, Not that I know of. I used to be just 'valen', but too many others, and many years of homebrew sorta ... made 'bigvalen' work :)
Jan 29 21:11:42 <PsciCodeliXHAT> to test aplication...I want to know how i do to catch output it. xml I want catch output from monkey
Jan 29 21:12:15 <mikedg> PsciCodeliXHAT: cents, make some then come back to me when you can pay me
Jan 29 21:15:03 <PsciCodeliXHAT> mikedg: humm?
Jan 29 21:15:39 <in_deep_thought> it should be possible in picasso to just scale the bitmap rather than resize it right? In my googling, all I see is people using the .resize method with integer values. I want to just make it 1/2 the original width for example. Is this a different method than the resize method? or do I pass the variable origwidth into the resize method?
Jan 29 21:16:14 <JakeWharton> i deleted scale
Jan 29 21:16:16 <JakeWharton> it seemed useless
Jan 29 21:16:38 <JakeWharton> what does half size get you? why wouldn't you want exact display size?
Jan 29 21:16:39 <mark4> can thread A modify variables of thread B ?
Jan 29 21:16:45 <JakeWharton> mark4: yes
Jan 29 21:17:23 <mikedg> mark4: why do you try it and report back?
Jan 29 21:17:25 <qkzoo1978> Perhaps I'm googling the wrong terms.  But is there a way in a ViewPager to force which fragment is displayed, is this what pager.setCurrentItem(0); does?
Jan 29 21:17:30 <mikedg> i think you might be the first person to ask that question
Jan 29 21:17:52 <mikedg> qkzoo1978: why dont you try that too?
Jan 29 21:18:06 <mark4> mikedg, maybe because it occurred to me that MAYBE my problem is that thread a is modifying its own instance of thread b's variable.. i.e. copy on write...
Jan 29 21:19:29 <in_deep_thought> JakeWharton: is that a response to my question? and I am loading the image from a url. I don’t know how big it is. Thats why I can’t display exact size
Jan 29 21:19:33 <qkzoo1978> I tried it didn't do anything, so was unsure if I implemented it wrong or just on the wrong path.
Jan 29 21:19:37 <JakeWharton> in_deep_thought: use .fit()
Jan 29 21:19:46 <in_deep_thought> well I guess i could pass it .resize(originalSize*0.5)
Jan 29 21:19:58 <lewellyn> bigvalen: "better"?
Jan 29 21:20:02 <JakeWharton> .fit().centerCrop() is your friend
Jan 29 21:20:22 <JakeWharton> that's the "i don't care just make it work and do it efficiently" combination
Jan 29 21:21:16 <lewellyn> and most of the time, better results than you'll get by trying to be clever
Jan 29 21:21:25 <_genuser_> wow, what is this .fit() and .centerFold() being called on?
Jan 29 21:21:48 <JakeWharton> _genuser_: Picasso
Jan 29 21:21:59 <lewellyn> and centerCrop :)
Jan 29 21:22:06 <_genuser_> is that the picture gallery library?
Jan 29 21:22:27 <JakeWharton> an image downloading and manipulation library is a bit more accurate description
Jan 29 21:22:31 <JakeWharton> but yes
Jan 29 21:22:40 <lewellyn> JakeWharton: pedant ;)
Jan 29 21:22:45 <in_deep_thought> JakeWharton: I still don’t really get what .fit() does? I know what .centerCrop() does
Jan 29 21:22:56 <_genuser_> nice. I'm researching recyclerview right now for implementing an image gallery.
Jan 29 21:23:00 <JakeWharton> in_deep_thought: .fit() waits until the target ImageView is measured and then resizes the image exactly to fit
Jan 29 21:23:10 <_genuser_> each image can be either downloaded off the web or pulled from a DB as a blob.
Jan 29 21:23:24 <JakeWharton> _genuser_: Picasso is here for your needs
Jan 29 21:23:29 <_genuser_> mix of both in the same list.
Jan 29 21:23:42 <in_deep_thought> JakeWharton my ImageView is using wrap_content so it does’t really have a size to measure though
Jan 29 21:23:52 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: very nice. so it's a .jar that one can use and export with their .apk?
Jan 29 21:24:10 <in_deep_thought> I don’t know how big the image is. I don’t want it to be forced into any kind of fit.
Jan 29 21:25:30 <JakeWharton> if you don't know how big the image is why are you arbitrarily scaling it?
Jan 29 21:25:32 <bigvalen> lewellyn, Saying "ok google, search open on garage door" seems odd.
Jan 29 21:26:42 <in_deep_thought> JakeWharton: its not arbitray. Basically I am putting it as a watermark on top of a capture image photo. And I detect the pixel width of the captured photo, and scale it according to that
Jan 29 21:27:00 <in_deep_thought> so 0.5 was just an example scaling factor
Jan 29 21:27:02 <g00s>   /join #textual
Jan 29 21:27:05 <lewellyn> bigvalen: why would you ok google that?
Jan 29 21:27:08 <in_deep_thought> but it will be specific when actually used
Jan 29 21:27:18 <lewellyn> bigvalen: i'm trying to steer you to "what are you really wanting?", you realize :)
Jan 29 21:27:50 <lewellyn> g00s: i'd rather not, thanks :D
Jan 29 21:28:09 <g00s> lewellyn i don't know why some of the /commands aren't working in textual
Jan 29 21:28:23 <g00s> that should have just put me in the channel, not sure why it showed up
Jan 29 21:29:20 <TacticalJoke> You put spaces before /.
Jan 29 21:29:38 <TacticalJoke> Though I guess it should've parsed it into a join command.
Jan 29 21:29:39 <g00s> TacticalJoke i just went back to my history, there was no space
Jan 29 21:29:46 <TacticalJoke> <g00s>   /join #textual
Jan 29 21:30:00 <g00s> it shows it like a space, but my textinput has no space
Jan 29 21:30:07 <g00s> anyhow
Jan 29 21:30:40 <lewellyn> sounds like time for a new client :D
Jan 29 21:30:54 <g00s> i'd try weechat next
Jan 29 21:31:34 <bpe> /
Jan 29 21:33:20 <TacticalJoke> I use mIRC.  I hate it, but I hate the others more.
Jan 29 21:33:23 <TacticalJoke> (On Windows.)
Jan 29 21:33:29 <groxx> pidgin?
Jan 29 21:33:50 <JakeWharton> irc cloud. the only irc client you'll ever need
Jan 29 21:34:41 <groxx> except when its server asplodes D:
Jan 29 21:34:44 <mikedg> irc cloud jake wharton approved
Jan 29 21:35:07 <mikedg> jake wharton got irc cloud pregnant, and out popped a hamster
Jan 29 21:35:10 <bigvalen> lewellyn, I don't know any other methods to get voice-activation to open apps in a cool way
Jan 29 21:35:12 <TacticalJoke> I'm glad Kotlin is approved.  :)
Jan 29 21:35:27 <lewellyn> bigvalen: i don't quite either. i don't use the ok google stuff anyhow though.
Jan 29 21:35:33 <lewellyn> or the samsung s voice thing
Jan 29 21:35:53 <bigvalen> I got one of the LG watches.
Jan 29 21:35:59 <bigvalen> It's surprisingly useful.
Jan 29 21:36:02 <bigvalen> But...clunky.
Jan 29 21:37:29 <bigvalen> And now I get to pick between re-doing someone's 2011 deprecated code, or trying to do it all myself :0
Jan 29 21:37:31 <groxx> bigvalen: yeah, I'm waiting until they get thinner :|  all of 'em are ginormous.
Jan 29 21:37:51 <bigvalen> groxx: Four times, I've torn the watch off, taking coats off.
Jan 29 21:37:52 <mikedg> bigvalen: i believe your mom is chunky
Jan 29 21:37:54 <bigvalen> They really are huge.
Jan 29 21:38:10 <bigvalen> mikedg, Your mom is so chunky she's non-euclidean
Jan 29 21:38:21 <mikedg> your mom is an FFT
Jan 29 21:38:23 <groxx> bigvalen: I'd believe it.  I'm rather violent to things on my wrists, whacking corners of walls and whatnot.
Jan 29 21:38:26 <mikedg> believe that
Jan 29 21:38:28 <bigvalen> (sorry, picked that up today on an The Infinite Monkey Cage re-run)
Jan 29 21:38:47 <bigvalen> mikedg Do I look like I know what a jay-peg is ?
Jan 29 21:38:49 <mikedg> put it down
Jan 29 21:39:16 <Sculptor> your mom is so fat, cern managed to find the god's particle only after factoring in her gravitational field
Jan 29 21:39:33 <groxx> she affects the flight-path of neutrinos
Jan 29 21:39:41 <TacticalJoke> Weird -- Android Studio keeps telling me that one of my public static methods is unused.  But it's clearly used.  Restarting AS, cleaning, and rebuilding don't fix it.
Jan 29 21:40:11 <groxx> TacticalJoke: are you using it through inheritance, by any chance?
Jan 29 21:40:54 <TacticalJoke> Nah.  Using it from an outside class.  Calling it with "ClassName.methodName();".
Jan 29 21:41:42 <g00s> AS 1.1 beta 0 out
Jan 29 21:42:11 <TacticalJoke> "his build contains mostly bug fixes and support for the upcoming version 1.1 of the Android Gradle plugin."
Jan 29 21:42:14 <TacticalJoke> This*
Jan 29 21:42:18 <TacticalJoke> Wonder whether we get unit testing yet.  ;o
Jan 29 21:42:30 <TacticalJoke> I guess not, since it says "upcoming".
Jan 29 21:42:53 <SimonVT> Funny that 1.1 beta isn't available in the beta channel
Jan 29 21:43:44 <TacticalJoke> I guess this page will tell me when Android Gradle plugin 1.1 is out: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system
Jan 29 21:43:57 <groxx> (╯°□°)╯︵  0˙1 sɐ
Jan 29 21:44:00 * groxx upgrades
Jan 29 21:44:51 <TacticalJoke> Okay:  "Error:Could not find com.android.tools.build:gradle:1.1."
Jan 29 21:45:26 * JesusFreke goes and registers IsAS11OutYet.com
Jan 29 21:45:42 <JesusFreke> Or rather IsAndroidGradlePlugin11OutYet.com
Jan 29 21:45:51 <TacticalJoke> haha
Jan 29 21:46:09 <TacticalJoke> are-we-jvm-unit-test-friendly-yet.com
Jan 29 21:46:25 <TacticalJoke> When it's out, though, I'll be kinda bored.
Jan 29 21:46:28 <groxx> at some point, I really hope they let you configure studio's memory options somewhere that doesn't cause the patches to fail.
Jan 29 21:46:30 <TacticalJoke> What else will there be to look forward to?
Jan 29 21:46:36 <TacticalJoke> I guess the release of my app.  Hmm.
Jan 29 21:46:41 <g00s> ha
Jan 29 21:46:51 <g00s> TacticalJoke are you still working on it :P
Jan 29 21:46:55 <TacticalJoke> Every day.  :D
Jan 29 21:47:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke so did you hit some bug already ?
Jan 29 21:47:43 <TacticalJoke> The public-static-method thing?
Jan 29 21:48:01 <g00s>   TacticalJoke:	 Okay:  "Error:Could not find com.android.tools.build:gradle:1.1."
Jan 29 21:48:10 <TacticalJoke> 1.1 Beta is in the Canary channel.
Jan 29 21:48:17 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Oh.  I was just saying it's not out yet.
Jan 29 21:48:32 <g00s> its in Dev too
Jan 29 21:48:40 <TacticalJoke> I'm updating.  #yolo
Jan 29 21:49:32 <newbQ> huh.  for some reason AS wont resolve a method with it's import.  I'm importing DataOutputStream but it marks that as unused and marks writeDouble as an unresolved method.
Jan 29 21:50:11 <theblang> in OkHTTP interceptor, what would be the best way to manage number of retries?  I could keep it on the interceptor and reset every time the chain proceeds normally?
Jan 29 21:50:25 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  What are you typing?
Jan 29 21:50:32 <JakeWharton> theblang: just keep a local variable and loop
Jan 29 21:51:05 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: what do you mean?
Jan 29 21:51:14 <theblang> JakeWharton: oh, so a new Interceptor is made everytime a request happens?
Jan 29 21:51:25 <JakeWharton> no, the method is called on every request
Jan 29 21:51:28 <TacticalJoke> How are you invoking DataOutputStream.writeDouble?
Jan 29 21:51:44 <JakeWharton> but when you are inside that method you can do whatever you want and keep whatever local state you want
Jan 29 21:52:08 <newbQ> I;m just doing outputStream.writeDouble(0.0);
Jan 29 21:52:19 <JakeWharton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dQtxitAL
Jan 29 21:53:09 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  I'm not sure; maybe paste something.
Jan 29 21:53:31 <theblang> JakeWharton: got ya, thanks!
Jan 29 21:54:08 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: http://pastebin.com/CEh25x5B
Jan 29 21:55:07 <TacticalJoke> FileOutputStream != DataOutputStream
Jan 29 21:55:45 <newbQ> oh. crap.  was looking at the wrong lines in the example I was using
Jan 29 22:01:00 <john67> i have a question
Jan 29 22:01:53 <john67> i got an android mobile, i want to use it for developpement, is there any risk  for the mobile?
Jan 29 22:02:28 <g00s> there is risk for your sanity
Jan 29 22:03:14 <g00s> no, you can put the device in dev mode without risking anything
Jan 29 22:04:42 <Agamemnus> Does anyone know the rules for cross-posting?
Jan 29 22:05:05 <Agamemnus> I posted my game on /r/Android, got buried (and downvoted) immediately
Jan 29 22:05:11 <g00s> Agamemnus try cross-posting the question about cross-posting
Jan 29 22:05:12 <Agamemnus> I want to post it on r/androiddev
Jan 29 22:05:18 <Agamemnus> I mean, for reddit
Jan 29 22:05:26 <JesusFreke> Only cross the posts if you need to defeat gozer
Jan 29 22:05:30 <danijoo> androiddev highly dislikes posting apps there
Jan 29 22:05:57 <Agamemnus> which is disgusting
Jan 29 22:06:02 <Agamemnus> but whatever
Jan 29 22:06:07 <Agamemnus> I'm gonna cross-post.
Jan 29 22:06:10 <Agamemnus> Once I find out how.
Jan 29 22:06:30 <TacticalJoke> You can PM the admins, I think.
Jan 29 22:06:39 <TacticalJoke> Asking whether you can post in their subreddit.
Jan 29 22:06:45 <TacticalJoke> I mean for cross-posts.
Jan 29 22:06:48 <Agamemnus> uhuh
Jan 29 22:06:52 <Agamemnus> i suppose
Jan 29 22:06:53 <TacticalJoke> s/admins/mods/
Jan 29 22:07:01 <newbQ> does DataOutputStream just keep an internal index of which write is which?
Jan 29 22:07:30 <g00s> /r/android seems like android news, not app promotion so it seems logical it got burried
Jan 29 22:07:51 <Agamemnus> a lot of the posts are about android news, that is true
Jan 29 22:08:03 <Agamemnus> like about EA selling virtual gas.
Jan 29 22:08:28 <g00s> thats big, because if EA sells virtual gas maybe we don't need Keystone XL as much
Jan 29 22:08:29 <Agamemnus> But there should be a counter-balance.. for example, people posting their racing games, WITHOUT virtual gas paid in real-world currency.
Jan 29 22:08:41 <s73v3r> try /r/gamedev
Jan 29 22:08:55 <Agamemnus> oh, I'll do that too.
Jan 29 22:09:10 <s73v3r> I don’t think /r/androd wants to be filled with people pimping their shit
Jan 29 22:09:11 <newbQ> i'm getting a read only error when trying to create a file?
Jan 29 22:09:57 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  As far as I can see, it simply writes them in the order you choose.
Jan 29 22:13:11 <Agamemnus> shit, i'm panicking
Jan 29 22:13:23 <Agamemnus> I submitted a post to http://www.reddit.com/r/indiegames/, now want to change title
Jan 29 22:13:26 <Agamemnus> see no way to change it
Jan 29 22:14:11 <Memorion> I don't think you can
Jan 29 22:14:13 <bmcdermott-work> delete it, repost later?
Jan 29 22:14:28 <Agamemnus> 12 users here now
Jan 29 22:14:35 <groxx> why panic?
Jan 29 22:14:43 <Agamemnus> No way to change title = panic
Jan 29 22:14:59 <groxx> I don't think "--" instead of "-" will lead to the wrath of god smiting all you hold dear or anything
Jan 29 22:15:07 <newbQ> Agamemnus: delete post and submit a new one with correct title
Jan 29 22:16:37 <g00s> Agamemnus in your play store description, i would remove all the screenshots that aren't screenshots
Jan 29 22:17:47 <g00s> like these ostriches, what do they have to do with anything
Jan 29 22:18:35 <Levite> lol
Jan 29 22:18:41 <newbQ> I keep getting No such file/directory and Read-only errors. what did I do wrong here? http://pastebin.com/fkyXbsje
Jan 29 22:19:27 <Agamemnus> They are in the game.
Jan 29 22:19:42 <groxx> newbQ: do you have to mkdir on the files folder maybe?
Jan 29 22:20:27 <g00s> Agamemnus maybe put together a collage of the available animals or something
Jan 29 22:20:35 <newbQ> I have no idea.  I've never worked with android before
Jan 29 22:20:38 <Agamemnus> I mix screenshots with non-screenshots because I suspect that helps the rankings
Jan 29 22:20:52 <Agamemnus> My main problem is that I am not in the top 8.
Jan 29 22:21:04 <TacticalJoke> You shouldn't have to mkdir.
Jan 29 22:21:07 <lewellyn> then get more people to install it and rate it :)
Jan 29 22:21:21 <Agamemnus> I would need several thousand installs a day for a week
Jan 29 22:21:27 <Agamemnus> That's very expensive
Jan 29 22:21:40 <lewellyn> i meant legitimately install it :P
Jan 29 22:21:41 <g00s> Agamemnus are there any cordova apps in the top 10 in any category ?
Jan 29 22:21:47 <Agamemnus> legitimate installs
Jan 29 22:22:09 <lewellyn> viral marketing tends to be cheap.
Jan 29 22:22:14 <Agamemnus> g00s: why don't you check the APKs
Jan 29 22:22:28 <g00s> i have serious doubts
Jan 29 22:22:29 <Agamemnus> A lot of games are made with Javascript...
Jan 29 22:22:32 <Agamemnus> Anyway
Jan 29 22:22:51 <Agamemnus> The fact that it's in Cordova is a technical thing users don't really care about.
Jan 29 22:23:01 <g00s> i doubt that too
Jan 29 22:23:22 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  new FileOutputStream(fileName)
Jan 29 22:23:23 <TacticalJoke> That's wrong.
Jan 29 22:23:29 <TacticalJoke> Should bew new "FileOutputStream(file)".
Jan 29 22:23:48 <Agamemnus> man, they don't.
Jan 29 22:23:54 <TacticalJoke> Should be "new FileOutputStream(file)".  *
Jan 29 22:24:03 <Agamemnus> one user gave me a 1 because she couldn't find a piece.
Jan 29 22:24:11 <Agamemnus> she played one game
Jan 29 22:24:17 <Agamemnus> and couldn't find a piece (blind)
Jan 29 22:24:38 <Agamemnus> but the engagement and retention is currently high
Jan 29 22:24:46 <Agamemnus> i'm just still trying to get into black.
Jan 29 22:26:25 <anarcode> Does there exist a library which allows users to mark properties in their classes to be automatically saved to/loaded from a bundle when switching activities?
Jan 29 22:27:04 <groxx> anarcode: only one I'm aware of is called "by hand"
Jan 29 22:27:47 <anarcode> groxx: Are you saying it's not worth it, or that it is but unfortunately doesn't exist?
Jan 29 22:28:26 <theblang> JakeWharton: Is it acceptable to call another Service from inside an Interceptor?
Jan 29 22:28:48 <JakeWharton> uh, sure
Jan 29 22:28:54 <JakeWharton> be careful as that might be re-entrant
Jan 29 22:29:13 <JakeWharton> i.e., the interceptor will be called again for that separate call
Jan 29 22:30:07 <groxx> :) afaik it doesn't exist.  what are you thinking specifically though?  pass values to the new activity, or save stuff into instance state when onSaveInstanceState is called?
Jan 29 22:30:37 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: that seems to work
Jan 29 22:30:45 <theblang> JakeWharton:  yeah, I made two services, one for my non-secure calls and one for my secured calls.  I am using the interceptor on the secured Service to grab a fresh token if it is expired.  The call to get the new token triggers the AssertionError("Call wasn't in-flight" line
Jan 29 22:31:07 <theblang> JakeWharton: in Dispatcher
Jan 29 22:31:15 <samskiter> JakeWharton: hi, i had a go at integrating google-http-client with retrofit and thought i’d show you what i’ve come up with https://gist.github.com/samskiter/ef9ce09fdd64f3c389fa are you interested in adding any other clients to Retrofit? i could tidy it up if you approve.
Jan 29 22:32:14 <groxx> anarcode: I mean, the fact that I'm not aware of it doesn't imply much about its existence, aside from "probably not in widespread use", like most non-existence claims :)
Jan 29 22:33:16 <TacticalJoke> Ugh.  The Jackson source is so hard to read.  Huge methods; duplication everywhere; weird naming conventions.
Jan 29 22:34:43 <theblang> TacticalJoke: lol, why you going through Jackson?
Jan 29 22:34:54 <TacticalJoke> Just curious of how it works.  lol
Jan 29 22:35:34 <TacticalJoke> Mainly trying to figure out whether something like calling JsonParser.nextToken when standing on a field name simply skips the field value.
Jan 29 22:35:47 <TacticalJoke> As far as I can tell, in the case of string field values, it reads part of the string.  It's weird.
Jan 29 22:36:00 <TacticalJoke> But I could be totally wrong.  The source is a maze.
Jan 29 22:36:27 <TacticalJoke> (I'm talking about whether the string is placed into memory, as opposed to the characters simply being iterated over.)
Jan 29 22:37:42 <TacticalJoke> I'm guessing that some strings need to be read, just to parse JSON and figure out where the token ends.
Jan 29 22:40:49 <TacticalJoke> Another thing I don't understand is which methods throw plain IOExceptions and which methods throw parsing exceptions (which are unfortunately IOException subtypes).
Jan 29 22:43:22 <yiati> So is com.android.support:appcompat-v7:21.0.+ something I will still want for bug fix support if my minSdk is 14?
Jan 29 22:43:37 <yiati> For ActionBarActivity and stuff
Jan 29 22:45:29 <yiati> Meh nvm
Jan 29 22:45:34 <yiati> I'm really confusing myself
Jan 29 22:47:44 <newbQ> minor victory.  I can now write the data, read the data, and display it on a table with no serious errors.
Jan 29 22:47:46 <john67> i got this USB device not found , android studio cant connect to the device
Jan 29 22:49:08 <yiati> john67: Did you try unplugging and replugging it?
Jan 29 22:49:35 <john67> no, bcos im in developper mod
Jan 29 22:49:54 <yiati> wat?
Jan 29 22:50:00 <yiati> developer mod?
Jan 29 22:50:05 <yiati> oh mode
Jan 29 22:50:08 <john67> have done so
Jan 29 22:50:39 <yiati> you just tried unplugging+replugging?
Jan 29 22:51:42 <john67> yiati: have done so
Jan 29 22:52:07 <john67> yiati: it havent change
Jan 29 22:53:08 <yiati> john67: Are you on Windows?
Jan 29 22:53:17 <john67> no linux
Jan 29 22:53:35 <yiati> is adb running?
Jan 29 22:53:41 <yiati> try restarting it
Jan 29 22:53:58 <yiati> adb kill-server; adb start-server;
Jan 29 22:54:01 <yiati> ^ in terminal
Jan 29 22:54:35 <john67> yiati: yeah
Jan 29 22:54:51 <yiati> cool
Jan 29 22:56:29 <john67> yiati: it changes not
Jan 29 22:57:33 <john67> yiati: same error
Jan 29 22:57:55 <yiati> john67: Check to see if there is something specific to your phone
Jan 29 22:58:14 <yiati> some vendors don't play nice with making sure it works out of the box
Jan 29 22:59:03 <yiati> john67: Hmm here http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html#setting-up
Jan 29 22:59:16 <yiati> you may need to setup a device vendor id on linux to get it to work
Jan 29 22:59:39 <john67> yiati: have already use it
Jan 29 22:59:54 <john67> yiati: http://www.wikoandco.com/fr/forum-wiko/roms-highway-signs/9601-root-recovery#97966
Jan 29 23:00:57 <yiati> What about that link? Do you not have usb debugging enabled in developer options?
Jan 29 23:01:40 <alex__c2022> is there a window type that I can create that will overlay main activity window but not keyboard window?
Jan 29 23:07:46 <john67_> im back
Jan 29 23:14:08 <erparom> Hi, thanks to anyone able to help. I've been receiving those warnings regarding the Open SSL stuff, that tell me to make a grep ("$ unzip -p LaJugada.apk | strings | grep "OpenSSL"") but when I do it at bash, I get a sintax error
Jan 29 23:15:42 <john67_> USB device not found
Jan 29 23:23:41 <samskiter> whoops, got disconnected
Jan 29 23:43:03 <theblang> JakeWharton: If I do a synchronized Retrofit call from an Interceptor, nothing past the call runs.  If I put a debug point on the synchronized call's line, I get stopped in Dispatcher.java at a synchronized finish function.  I am assuming that is finishing the thread, but I am not really sure what to do from here.
Jan 29 23:44:00 <theblang> JakeWharton: I could just craft the request myself probably
Jan 29 23:49:37 <groxx> (am I missing replies from JW, or has this room just been kinda quiet the past hour?)
Jan 29 23:50:35 <JakeWharton> i hacked your client so that you couldn't see my replies
Jan 29 23:50:36 <s73v3r> Room’s been quiet for me too
Jan 29 23:50:44 <s73v3r> must be food trucks outside
Jan 29 23:50:48 <groxx> heh
Jan 29 23:51:05 <JakeWharton> theblang: i'm not familiar with how it behaves and Jesse isn't around
Jan 29 23:51:06 <groxx> just wondering if I was seeing another case of "people are talking but for some reason I'm not seeing it"
Jan 29 23:51:11 <JakeWharton> we might prevent re-entrant interceptions
Jan 29 23:51:23 <TacticalJoke> Does Jesse come into this channel?  Just curious.
Jan 29 23:51:26 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 29 23:51:55 <JakeWharton> he's too valuable to be distracted by this firehose of noise
Jan 29 23:52:04 <JakeWharton> we must insulate him
Jan 29 23:52:27 <JakeWharton> theblang: if you create your own request you can just call down the chain normally
Jan 29 23:52:30 <JakeWharton> that might be the best bet
Jan 29 23:53:16 <samskiter> JakeWharton: not sure if you saw or replied to my message earlier, i got disconnected. . is this of any use to you: https://gist.github.com/samskiter/ef9ce09fdd64f3c389fa ?
Jan 29 23:54:06 <JakeWharton> yeah i looked at it
Jan 29 23:54:17 <JakeWharton> it looked very unsurprising which is good
Jan 29 23:55:01 <samskiter> JakeWharton: yea, it wasn’t so bad. i used your other classes as a bit of a guide. the URLConnectionClient especially. there are probably a bunch of edge cases i have missed….
Jan 29 23:55:18 <JakeWharton> that's exactly what i would have told you to do
Jan 29 23:55:26 <samskiter> :)
Jan 29 23:55:29 <theblang> JakeWharton: I posted an SO ticket (http://stackoverflow.com/q/28226765/1747491).  Yeah, I think that is what I will do.  I just got curious about what was happening, but it is probably worth just leaving Retrofit out of the Interceptor.
Jan 29 23:55:59 <samskiter> JakeWharton: in that case, i’ll tidy it up for a PR ?
Jan 29 23:56:10 <JakeWharton> to Retrofit?
Jan 29 23:56:19 <samskiter> yes?
Jan 29 23:56:37 <JakeWharton> i wouldn't bother only because the next two months it's basically going to be torn down and built back up again
Jan 29 23:56:51 <JakeWharton> it's unclear what Client will look like in that world
Jan 29 23:56:57 <samskiter> :O ah that’s worth knowing haha
Jan 30 00:01:18 <JakeWharton> it will be for the best
Jan 30 00:01:41 <samskiter> :) what are the aims, out of interest?
Jan 30 00:04:20 <JakeWharton> the internals are about 4 years old and aren't designed well
Jan 30 00:04:35 <samskiter> JakeWharton: is this all the reflection stuff?
Jan 30 00:04:36 <JakeWharton> it's a miracle that it's been able to get as many features as it has without too many problems
Jan 30 00:05:18 <samskiter> the seller for me was the front page. define my restapi in a handful of lines.
Jan 30 00:15:22 <Mad3ngineer_> I am a bit confised by the android activity system... What would be the reason to have multiple activities in an app? Also, how can I have different GUI screens, like mainmenu, in-game, and etc. while maintaining the same activity, which contains a GLSurfaceView object?
Jan 30 00:16:27 <Mad3ngineer_> my current activity contains a FrameLayout with elements for a screen in the GUI and a custom view, my GLSurfaceView
Jan 30 00:19:47 <shmooz> Mad3ngineer_: for example your preferences settings would be a separate activity
Jan 30 00:20:39 <drose379> If I declare a String variable at the beginning of a method
Jan 30 00:20:49 <drose379> Why would I not be able to assign it inside an innerclass
Jan 30 00:20:53 <drose379> I am declaring it final
Jan 30 00:21:14 <drose379> AS giving me the error "Cannot assign a value to final variable"
Jan 30 00:21:17 <drose379> Oh, I get it
Jan 30 00:21:18 <groxx> final variables can't be changed
Jan 30 00:21:21 <drose379> Cause final means it cant be changed
Jan 30 00:21:34 <drose379> lol damn.. shudda saw that one earlier
Jan 30 00:21:40 <groxx> :)
Jan 30 00:21:50 <drose379> Ok I got a question for you then
Jan 30 00:21:55 <s73v3r> sometimes it doesn’t click until you say it out loud, or type it in front of you
Jan 30 00:21:59 <shmooz> Mad3ngineer_: you can have different GUI screens by using different activities for them, or using fragments, or just by showing and hiding layouts
Jan 30 00:22:15 <drose379> I am getting a value inside of an innerclass
Jan 30 00:22:17 <Mad3ngineer_> but how can I save the GLSurfaceView object between different activities?
Jan 30 00:22:22 <groxx> IRC rubber ducking basically
Jan 30 00:22:22 <drose379> And I want the method to return that value
Jan 30 00:22:26 <Mad3ngineer_> I don't want to reinstance it, or does that not even matter?
Jan 30 00:22:29 <drose379> Yeah groxx
Jan 30 00:23:07 <drose379> So I need to take a value inside of an inner class and get it ot
Jan 30 00:23:08 <drose379> out
Jan 30 00:23:20 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: since you appear to be trying to make a full-screen always-on GL surface, you probably don't want other activities (unless you want to send them to a "native" settings screen or something)
Jan 30 00:23:48 <Mad3ngineer_> So, you are saying I should hide layouts/use fragments?
Jan 30 00:24:11 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: typically though, each Activity is a conceptual "thing you do" in the app
Jan 30 00:24:14 <s73v3r> drose379: can’t the method in the inner class just return a string value? why does the inner class need access to this string in the first place?
Jan 30 00:24:33 <Mad3ngineer_> ok... I will also look at fragments
Jan 30 00:24:34 <drose379> Its a OkHttp inner class so it needs to override @OnResponse
Jan 30 00:24:38 <drose379> and that is void
Jan 30 00:24:41 <drose379> But I found another way
Jan 30 00:24:54 <drose379> Just call the method that needs the string from on response in the inner class
Jan 30 00:25:30 <groxx> Mad3ngineer_: depends a fair bit :)  fragments might make sense, since they're intended for wrapping views and behaviors.  otherwise you can do the same kind of thing yourself with just views.  try, see how it feels.
Jan 30 00:26:02 <Mad3ngineer_> ok, I'll look into it. Thanks groxx, and shmooz :)
Jan 30 00:27:57 <Slither> Hi all - I am trying to extend ActionBarActivity and use that as a base class for my actual activities - is that something that should work? - because I've been having some issues with it
Jan 30 00:28:16 <Levite> it should
Jan 30 00:28:52 <Mad3ngineer_> Ok, reading about it... Views can be attached to a class, or they can have an id, correct?
Jan 30 00:29:13 <Mad3ngineer_> Also, do buttons count as views?
Jan 30 00:29:17 <shmooz> Mad3ngineer_: look up ViewGroups
Jan 30 00:29:33 <Mad3ngineer_> I am reading through this right now http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/overview.html
Jan 30 00:29:41 <shmooz> I personally just hide/show layouts containing views instead of using fragments
Jan 30 00:29:51 <Mad3ngineer_> A button is techincally a view, right?
Jan 30 00:29:54 <Agamemnus> shit
Jan 30 00:30:01 <Agamemnus> i need to code
Jan 30 00:30:02 <Agamemnus> :X
Jan 30 00:30:07 <Slither> I'm getting a null pointer exception on GetSupportActionBar() whether it's called in the base class or actual activity in onCreate - can't work out why - but it works when the actual activity extends ActionBarActivity (not the base class)
Jan 30 00:30:10 <Mad3ngineer_> Yeah, even if I don't use fragments, I would like to get the hang of them
Jan 30 00:31:43 <drose379> Quick Java question guys: If I call a method that is void, and that method calls a method that returns X
Jan 30 00:31:57 <drose379> Could I do X = class.MethodThatReturnsVoids
Jan 30 00:32:00 <drose379> Void*
Jan 30 00:32:04 <s73v3r> no
Jan 30 00:32:12 <drose379> Hmm ok
Jan 30 00:32:19 <s73v3r> wait, one more time?
Jan 30 00:32:27 <drose379> Ok
Jan 30 00:32:37 <drose379> Method one = public void blah
Jan 30 00:32:51 <drose379> Method two = public String foo
Jan 30 00:33:01 <drose379> They are inside class Bar
Jan 30 00:33:24 <drose379> Could I call: String fooBar = bar.blah
Jan 30 00:33:26 <drose379> ()
Jan 30 00:33:46 <drose379> That may have been more confusing
Jan 30 00:33:48 <shmooz> no
Jan 30 00:33:50 <s73v3r> no
Jan 30 00:34:03 <drose379> Hmm ok
Jan 30 00:34:14 <s73v3r> why can’t you call fooBar = bar.foo()?
Jan 30 00:34:37 <drose379> Cause bar.foo is getting called from within the void method
Jan 30 00:34:44 <s73v3r> so?
Jan 30 00:35:01 <drose379> the void method gives it a value that it needs
Jan 30 00:35:02 <s73v3r> wait, is this another Retrofit thing?
Jan 30 00:35:15 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 30 00:35:16 <drose379> Its OkHttp, but its ok I found a way around
Jan 30 00:36:31 <shmooz> it's OK cause it's OK
Jan 30 00:36:44 <drose379> OkHttp
Jan 30 00:36:51 <drose379> haha
Jan 30 00:37:27 <shmooz> that should be their slogan
Jan 30 00:37:47 <drose379> Not bad
Jan 30 00:38:01 <Mad3ngineer_> I am kind of getting the hang of it all, but I am failing to grasp the whole code-based part of gui creation... I am just not making the link between the java and the XML
Jan 30 00:38:02 <groxx> ugh.  when did parleys start doing this?  annoying.  http://cl.ly/image/0t2D3L43390c
Jan 30 00:38:51 <shmooz> Mad3ngineer_: find a simple example
Jan 30 00:39:59 <john67_> launch the .apk on my phone, i have this error :there was an error when parsing the package , i have try to go on google drive but doesnt work
Jan 30 00:40:08 <john67_> how can i solve that?
Jan 30 00:40:15 <shmooz> you declare your layouts and views in your main.xml and you instantiate them in your MainActivity's onCreate usually with findViewById
Jan 30 00:41:21 <groxx> shmooz: that's a little bit off - findViewById finds them.  setContentView(R.layout.main) instantiates them.
Jan 30 00:41:34 <shmooz> ok
Jan 30 00:45:16 <Mad3ngineer_> Makes more sense now... Thanks guys
Jan 30 00:46:23 <drose379> Mad3ngineer_ what you making?
Jan 30 00:54:49 <maodun> A webpage of mine needs to be rendered in a 3rd-party app's WebView. The javascript my page executes is displaying some odd behavior (only in the WebView, works fine everywhere else). Is there a good way for me to get debug info on my js as it's being executed in the WebView?
Jan 30 00:55:18 <Levite> You have to add a chrome web client and listen for onmessage
Jan 30 00:55:22 <Mad3ngineer_> drose379 I am making a game
Jan 30 00:55:33 <drose379> Cool, what kind of game
Jan 30 00:55:41 <Mad3ngineer_> top down type thing... space themed
Jan 30 00:55:51 <drose379> Cool, good luck
Jan 30 00:55:51 <Mad3ngineer_> early project, dont have a whole lot to show atm
Jan 30 00:56:01 <drose379> Thats alright
Jan 30 00:56:03 <Mad3ngineer_> and I suck at art... so I will need to find an artist... Thanks!
Jan 30 00:56:06 <Anthaas> I miss Android development :(
Jan 30 00:56:14 <drose379> Whyd you leave?
Jan 30 00:56:19 <maodun> Levite: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "chrome web client"
Jan 30 00:56:28 <Anthaas> Dont have time for it :(
Jan 30 00:56:35 <Mad3ngineer_> Ah man I know how you feel
Jan 30 00:56:39 <Mad3ngineer_> I hardly have time
Jan 30 00:56:50 <Mad3ngineer_> Plus I am still learning
Jan 30 00:56:52 <Anthaas> Got an LG G Watch for Christmas too. I WANT TO MAKE THINGS THAT WORK ON IT
Jan 30 00:56:52 <maodun> Levite: this? http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebChromeClient.html
Jan 30 00:56:52 <Mad3ngineer_> so it takes more time
Jan 30 00:57:01 <Levite> maodun yep!
Jan 30 00:57:03 <Anthaas> Im doing a PhD. Unfortunately it doesn't require Android :(
Jan 30 00:57:04 <Mad3ngineer_> Ahh man.....
Jan 30 00:57:12 <drose379> Whats the PhD in?
Jan 30 00:57:13 <Mad3ngineer_> haha, yeah thats always a roadblock
Jan 30 00:57:15 <Anthaas> AI
Jan 30 00:57:15 <Mad3ngineer_> ^^
Jan 30 00:57:26 <Anthaas> Spatiotemporal reasoning.
Jan 30 00:57:28 <Mad3ngineer_> OOH that sounds awesome
Jan 30 00:57:35 <Anthaas> Yeah
Jan 30 00:57:50 <Anthaas> And I've learn a bunch, like creating a lexer for parsing files rather than using Regex haha
Jan 30 00:57:55 <Anthaas> But, I miss just programming for fun.
Jan 30 00:58:05 <Mad3ngineer_> Yep, its nice to be able to without stress
Jan 30 00:58:29 <Mad3ngineer_> Just you, a keyboard, a screen, and google. (and the IRCs(
Jan 30 00:58:34 <maodun> Levite: I'm a little unclear - how can I make use of this? isn't this java that would need to be written into the android app itself (which I don't control)?
Jan 30 00:58:44 <Anthaas> Definitely. I know when I'm done Im just going to sit down in evenings (when the misses is busy) and enjoy.
Jan 30 00:59:04 <Anthaas> StackOverflow and IRC are a programmers best friends.
Jan 30 00:59:18 <Levite> maodun oh, nevermind then, sorry
Jan 30 00:59:19 <Anthaas> Although some answers in SO leave a bit to be desired.
Jan 30 00:59:36 <shmooz> Anthaas: would that be something drones could use to get around indoors ?
Jan 30 00:59:43 <Mad3ngineer_> ^^ I know it... I am not the best asker
Jan 30 01:00:27 <Anthaas> shmooz: Its more reasoning behind qualitative spatio and temporal data (when data is incomplete for example), applying user preferences, and using and extending reasoning and querying systems.
Jan 30 01:00:45 <Anthaas> shmooz: Although I guess they could, yes.
Jan 30 01:01:53 <Mad3ngineer_> And again however, I am going to ask another question. Is it proper to say something like new Button (or CustomView) as it may be in my case, and then say something like myFrameLayout.addView(new CustomView()), or is there a different approach/better alternative? Also, it isn't the right line of code, I don't know the right one
Jan 30 01:02:15 <Anthaas> Example, if I know spatial region X is disconnected from Y, and Y is equal to Z, and I dont know the relationship that holds between X and Z, using RCC8 relational composition, you could reason that X and Z are disconnected.
Jan 30 01:02:15 <Mad3ngineer_> Ah man anthaas that is cool stuff :D
Jan 30 01:03:07 <Anthaas> One thing I will say though, PhDs aren't what you think they are. 7 hours of my week are spent teaching undergrads. I think the first 6 months is telling them not to copy and paste.
Jan 30 01:03:33 <drose379> Doesnt teaching help you learn yourself?
Jan 30 01:03:42 <Anthaas> Oh it does. Some students are absolutely fantastic.
Jan 30 01:04:05 <drose379> Ive never heared of the word spatial until you said it
Jan 30 01:04:09 <drose379> Sounds cool :D
Jan 30 01:04:34 <Mad3ngineer_> Man, I am aiming for a scholarship at a state university. I want to major in IT but my dream is to own my own software company
Jan 30 01:04:42 <Anthaas> Haha, relating to space (as in an area or whatever, not the bit with the moon in (although that technically also counts)) :-)
Jan 30 01:04:49 <drose379> How you gonna get a scholarship?
Jan 30 01:04:58 <Anthaas> Yeah, every 2nd year and their toilet seems to start a business up.
Jan 30 01:05:02 <Mad3ngineer_> Good grades, internships, good ACT scores
Jan 30 01:05:11 <Anthaas> Don't understand that no company in their right mind would do business with most of them.
Jan 30 01:05:12 <drose379> You in highschool?
Jan 30 01:05:20 <Mad3ngineer_> yep
Jan 30 01:05:30 <drose379> Cool Mad3ngineer_
Jan 30 01:05:32 <Anthaas> Nice
Jan 30 01:05:38 <drose379> Are you new to Java? Or just to andrioid?
Jan 30 01:05:41 <Anthaas> My advice is work hard. Always.
Jan 30 01:05:46 <Anthaas> Sounds stupid
Jan 30 01:05:49 <Mad3ngineer_> Mostly android which I have been doing for a few months
Jan 30 01:05:54 <Mad3ngineer_> I have been using java for 3-4 years
Jan 30 01:06:01 <drose379> Oh nice, made anything cool?
Jan 30 01:06:12 <Anthaas> Your friends are going on a night out, but you know there is a little bit of code that you could improve which would boost your grade. Which do you want? A few drinks or a better future.
Jan 30 01:06:28 <Mad3ngineer_> Not really, but I know my way around. Haven't used very many different build methods
Jan 30 01:06:38 <Mad3ngineer_> other than the build and clean button in IDE haha
Jan 30 01:07:12 <s73v3r> Anthaas: Why do you have to make a choice?
Jan 30 01:07:23 <Mad3ngineer_> and yeah Anthaas, future is better
Jan 30 01:07:32 <Agamemnus> who cares about grades?
Jan 30 01:07:36 <Agamemnus> No one.
Jan 30 01:07:37 <Anthaas> Deadline dependant, amount of work, other peoples schedules.
Jan 30 01:07:39 <Agamemnus> Except you.
Jan 30 01:07:44 <Mad3ngineer_> I get good grades without trying.
Jan 30 01:07:47 <Anthaas> This is true to an extent.
Jan 30 01:07:55 <Anthaas> Mad3ngineer_: Dont go to Uni wiht that attitude lol
Jan 30 01:08:09 <Mad3ngineer_> I know that Uni is going to be hard, but high school is easy
Jan 30 01:08:22 <Mad3ngineer_> I am getting good grades in high school so that I can be challenged at college
Jan 30 01:08:34 <drose379> Anthaas do you think someone has to be good at math to excel in programming
Jan 30 01:08:37 <Anthaas> Good!
Jan 30 01:08:38 <Mad3ngineer_> Idk how much sense that makes, but thats my plan
Jan 30 01:08:43 <Anthaas> drose379: Nope.
Jan 30 01:08:50 <drose379> Ok, good :)
Jan 30 01:08:53 <Agamemnus> That really depends on what kind of math, doesn't it?
Jan 30 01:08:57 <Anthaas> It does help though.
Jan 30 01:09:03 <Anthaas> And it depends on what programming you are doing.
Jan 30 01:09:08 <Anthaas> Graphics programming then of course.
Jan 30 01:09:22 <Anthaas> Data probably helps too.
Jan 30 01:09:23 <Agamemnus> Math is about logic, and so is programming. But some fields of math are too esoteric for any practical application
Jan 30 01:09:25 <Mad3ngineer_> Yep.. I am glad I have learned Algebra, it helped a ton
Jan 30 01:09:34 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I missed most of the chat, but I'm curious of why you want a void method to return a value.
Jan 30 01:09:48 <drose379> hey TacticalJoke
Jan 30 01:09:50 <drose379> Um
Jan 30 01:10:10 <Agamemnus> The other part of mathematics is memorization of symbol meanings
Jan 30 01:10:11 <Mad3ngineer_> As for calculus... As a game developer I'm not sure I am going to use it much
Jan 30 01:10:15 <Mad3ngineer_> ^^ yep
Jan 30 01:10:17 <Mad3ngineer_> for real
Jan 30 01:10:20 <drose379> That was a while ago in my code and I ended up finding a better way to do it and realized that was a dumb idea
Jan 30 01:10:26 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  lol
Jan 30 01:10:34 <Agamemnus> calculus is fun if done in a responsible way
Jan 30 01:11:00 <Agamemnus> But
Jan 30 01:11:04 <Mad3ngineer_> Fun, sure... But probably not the most used type of math for computer programmers, particularly video game devs
Jan 30 01:11:13 <Agamemnus> I've never actually used calculus in any of my programming
Jan 30 01:11:15 <Mad3ngineer_> well, maybe for the in depth stuff
Jan 30 01:11:22 <Mad3ngineer_> same... just algebra
Jan 30 01:11:24 <shmooz> Mad3ngineer_: you may need some algebra and trig
Jan 30 01:11:26 <Agamemnus> doesn't mean you shouldn't take the course
Jan 30 01:11:32 <Mad3ngineer_> yeah shmooz, I have that
Jan 30 01:11:47 <Agamemnus> it expands your horizons
Jan 30 01:11:53 <Mad3ngineer_> Agamemnus, I am taking pre-calc and calculus by the time i graduate
Jan 30 01:12:00 <Agamemnus> no one needs to study history, or foreign language..
Jan 30 01:12:13 <Mad3ngineer_> It is nice to know about history, but yeah... Nobody needs to
Jan 30 01:12:17 <Anthaas> Definitely. I have an optional module to take Either Computational Mathematics, or Designing Information Systems for People. I took Maths without a shadow of a doubt.
Jan 30 01:12:28 <Agamemnus> but then
Jan 30 01:12:53 <Agamemnus> let's say you learn the things you need to in order to be able to know how to code certain algorithms
Jan 30 01:13:07 <s73v3r> Mad3ngineer_: Good grades without trying can be kinda easy in high school. Things change drastically once you get to college. And if you don’t have the right study habits, it can be hard to develop those. Source: Same thing happened to me
Jan 30 01:13:19 <Agamemnus> without knowing any history, how are you going to make any games based on it?
Jan 30 01:13:34 <Agamemnus> In other words, you expand your potential..
Jan 30 01:13:37 <s73v3r> Mad3ngineer_: If you don’t know history, how can you learn from it so you don’t repeat it?
Jan 30 01:14:04 <shmooz> well sometimes knowing history makes you just repeat history ;)
Jan 30 01:14:06 <Agamemnus> I don't know if that's the case, s73v3r.
Jan 30 01:14:07 <Mad3ngineer_> s73v3r, as I have said, I know that High school is easy, and that Uni is going to be hard... I am reinforcing study habits by programming, because learning how to do this is essentially studying in a sense... Right?
Jan 30 01:14:27 <Mad3ngineer_> also, I think I know a good bit more history than many others, while I don't claim to be an expert
Jan 30 01:14:27 <Agamemnus> I didn't have "good grades without trying" in either high school or in my university. Mostly.
Jan 30 01:15:02 <Agamemnus> I took a low-level course in brain structure. It was a very interesting course but the tests (multiple choice) was killer
Jan 30 01:15:05 <Mad3ngineer_> My downfall is homework... So yeah s73v3r, I am trying to work on that habit, I bet you can guess my new years resolution xP
Jan 30 01:15:19 <Mad3ngineer_> I am a good tester though... So I guess I am lucky
Jan 30 01:15:21 <Agamemnus> The first test, I had a very bad grade and it was suggested I should drop the course while I still could.
Jan 30 01:15:35 <Agamemnus> But the other tests, I just spent hours memorizing and got an A-.
Jan 30 01:15:42 <s73v3r> homework is the big thing. I didn’t do much of it in high school, and didn’t suffer much for it. It became rather difficult for me to change habits to do it for college
Jan 30 01:16:15 <Anthaas> Im the opposite, I had terrible habits in school and college, but in University I just pulled my finger out and put my head down.
Jan 30 01:16:30 <Mad3ngineer_> For me, right now, I am trying to form that habit.... I know that it isnt really a huge impact on my grade, but I want to be used to it
Jan 30 01:16:37 <Agamemnus> I'm the opposite of all of you
Jan 30 01:16:47 <Agamemnus> I was a slacker in many college courses
Jan 30 01:16:54 <Agamemnus> More than high school
Jan 30 01:17:03 <s73v3r> and for programming and practice, it sounds like you really want to do programming. Thus you’re excited for it. Are you going to be able to put in the hours for something like intro to Chemestry?
Jan 30 01:17:14 <s73v3r> something you might find less than exciting?
Jan 30 01:17:15 <Agamemnus> But only because I could get away with it.
Jan 30 01:17:33 <Agamemnus> You have to really know what you can get away with, I guess.
Jan 30 01:17:34 <shmooz> Chemistry is exciting
Jan 30 01:18:23 <Anthaas> Haha, I once left an AI assignment until the day it was handed in (itd been out for 6 months and people were really struggling and some even started crying.), I did it in 6 hours and got 84%
Jan 30 01:18:35 <s73v3r> i hated chemistry, myself. but the actual subject is irrelevant
Jan 30 01:18:40 <Anthaas> So, yeah. Just know what you can get away with.
Jan 30 01:19:00 <shmooz> I loved carbon chemistry once I started understanding it
Jan 30 01:19:11 <Mad3ngineer_> Good point s37v3r, I really cant stand the boring stuff... But I will balance my efforts and try to get that done. I have a teacher that gives homework out by the chapter, and I am raelly working towards getting myself the discipline to overcome it. Homework goes to her in pages, every day... I remember first day's assignment was 5 pages front and back
Jan 30 01:19:47 <Mad3ngineer_> So I guess I better keep that teachers classes to remind myself about college. I love artificial chemistry but organic chemistry is the most god-aweful thing and I hate it so much
Jan 30 01:19:56 <s73v3r> the better you can get that habit down, the better you’ll be. both in school and in industry, when you’ll have to put your head down and do the cruddy, boring shit that has to get done but no one wants to do
Jan 30 01:20:20 <Anthaas> Haha, the people I taught last year, their first assignment, first year, first term was a 10,000 word essay.
Jan 30 01:20:27 <Agamemnus> A lot of my professors in business classes assigned pages and pages of reading material
Jan 30 01:20:41 <Agamemnus> But they honestly weren't really needed
Jan 30 01:20:42 <Anthaas> As well as weekly reading, an exam, and another piece of course work.
Jan 30 01:20:44 <Mad3ngineer_> Right now, it's trucking through school, and getting an app programmed to build the basis for a company, even if just in experience
Jan 30 01:20:45 <Agamemnus> to be read.
Jan 30 01:20:46 <Anthaas> Thats just 1 module of 6.
Jan 30 01:21:01 <Agamemnus> Also, there's hit and miss on the classes themselves
Jan 30 01:21:02 <TacticalJoke> I hate word limits on essays.  It teaches people to be verbose rather than what they should be: concise.
Jan 30 01:21:22 <Mad3ngineer_> I have concepts and ideas that people have told me are awesome, but I need a base... I need a foundation for it
Jan 30 01:21:26 <Agamemnus> The professors aren't perfect... so you might not want to take the class if you see a reading list that will consume you.
Jan 30 01:22:03 <Mad3ngineer_> And oh god yes tatcicaljoke.... Yeah, I really want to try to clep out of as many courses as I can, so that I can focus on what I am going to college for: computers
Jan 30 01:22:29 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: The word limit was a guideline, all lecturers say that they will read anything, be it 10 words, or 50,000 words. But that is an estimate to the amount of content required to meet the marking criteria.
Jan 30 01:24:08 <Mad3ngineer_> I'm going to ask the question about how to add code-defined views (like buttons, or custom ones) to XML-defined FrameLayouts, or other view groups
Jan 30 01:24:43 <Mad3ngineer_> I am guessing it involves getWindow().findViewById(R.id.frameLayout)
Jan 30 01:24:47 <Anthaas> findViewById, addChild?
Jan 30 01:24:54 <Anthaas> or addView
Jan 30 01:25:02 <Anthaas> I dont remember the exact method off the top of my head.
Jan 30 01:25:08 <Mad3ngineer_> all right, lemme check in IDE
Jan 30 01:25:19 <Anthaas> No need for getWindow if you are in the Activity though if that view is inflated or in context.
Jan 30 01:25:42 <Mad3ngineer_> The only one I could find is addChildrenForAccessability()
Jan 30 01:26:10 <Mad3ngineer_> I have done a few google searches... I am probably searching the wrong thing
Jan 30 01:26:35 <Anthaas> Oh hang on, shouldn't FrameLayouts only have 1 child?
Jan 30 01:26:42 <Mad3ngineer_> Oh really?
Jan 30 01:27:02 <Anthaas> I might be confused here, its been a while
Jan 30 01:27:41 <Mad3ngineer_> I am definately the most confused though
Jan 30 01:27:56 <Anthaas> Yeah, from d.android.com
Jan 30 01:27:58 <Anthaas> FrameLayout is designed to block out an area on the screen to display a single item. Generally, FrameLayout should be used to hold a single child view, because it can be difficult to organize child views in a way that's scalable to different screen sizes without the children overlapping each other. You can, however, add multiple children to a FrameLayout and control their position within the Frame
Jan 30 01:27:59 <drose379> What are you doing?
Jan 30 01:28:28 <Mad3ngineer_> Ah, so what kind of view should I use?
Jan 30 01:28:33 <Mad3ngineer_> I am working on the GUI system drose
Jan 30 01:28:41 <Anthaas> I dont know, depends on what you are doing.
Jan 30 01:28:57 <drose379> What do you mean a GUI system?
Jan 30 01:29:08 <drose379> What is the GUI doing?
Jan 30 01:29:13 <Mad3ngineer_> well, what page shows a list of the different view types on the android developer site?
Jan 30 01:29:19 <Mad3ngineer_> the GUI system for a game
Jan 30 01:29:25 <Mad3ngineer_> the menus, the HUD etc
Jan 30 01:29:56 <Anthaas> This I guess... http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html
Jan 30 01:30:24 <Mad3ngineer_> Man, I started out thinking I was going to code my own GUI system... It is a pain in the ass
Jan 30 01:30:37 <Mad3ngineer_> ok anthaas. Ill read it
Jan 30 01:30:38 <drose379> No one said this was easy
Jan 30 01:30:48 <drose379> Someone said that to me once and it helped alot
Jan 30 01:31:21 <Mad3ngineer_> I dont expect any part of programming to be easy.... But some things are harder than others xP\
Jan 30 01:31:48 <drose379> For sure
Jan 30 01:32:07 <drose379> Im a beginner too
Jan 30 01:33:03 <Mad3ngineer_> Ah, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/declaring-layout.html
Jan 30 01:33:05 <Anthaas> You understand Java, then Android will make sense quickly.
Jan 30 01:33:10 <Anthaas> Dont try and learn them the other way around.
Jan 30 01:33:15 <Mad3ngineer_> google searching "Android layout types" was better than viewgroup types
Jan 30 01:33:36 <Mad3ngineer_> and yeah, I started with java, then went into OpenGL, more specifically LWJGL
Jan 30 01:33:43 <Mad3ngineer_> then, now I am using android.
Jan 30 01:33:50 <Anthaas> I've not ever looked at Graphics Programming myslef.
Jan 30 01:33:53 <Anthaas> myself.
Jan 30 01:33:55 <Anthaas> Shameful I know.
Jan 30 01:33:59 <Anthaas> I will when I need it.
Jan 30 01:34:02 <Anthaas> Just never needed it.
Jan 30 01:34:08 <Mad3ngineer_> Naw, not really shameful.. Yeah not everyone wants to
Jan 30 01:34:36 <Mad3ngineer_> I was the kind of person who started programming just being curious and interested, then learned what I did because I thought "I wonder how they make games. Why can't I? I SHOULD!"
Jan 30 01:34:55 <Mad3ngineer_> I started making maps for other games, like medal of honor allied assault before I learned java
Jan 30 01:35:04 <Mad3ngineer_> so the first thing I touched was AngelScript, I believe...
Jan 30 01:35:28 <Anthaas> Whereas I have absolutely 0 interest in developing any game of any sort.
Jan 30 01:35:43 <Mad3ngineer_> In addition to programming, I also like to be able to say that I have built 3 (4 if you consider rebuilding) computers from scratch
Jan 30 01:36:03 <Mad3ngineer_> and I have a basic (grossly basic at that) knowlege of how the actual hardware circuitry works
Jan 30 01:36:15 <Mad3ngineer_> so I am your jack of all trades I guess
Jan 30 01:36:31 <Anthaas> Building computers from scratch is easy.
Jan 30 01:36:33 <Mad3ngineer_> one of my biggest driving forces is just to learn, I suppose. I tend to move on once I figure stuff out
Jan 30 01:37:05 <Mad3ngineer_> Yeah anthaas, I built two with no help or experience in two hours. I used google to help design them, but it isn't hard...
Jan 30 01:37:12 <Mad3ngineer_> well, maybe 3 hours
Jan 30 01:37:15 <Mad3ngineer_> but it didnt take long
Jan 30 01:37:36 <Anthaas> The biggest pain in the ass is always getting the heat sink onto the CPU haha
Jan 30 01:37:44 <Mad3ngineer_> haha yeah for sure
Jan 30 01:38:05 <Mad3ngineer_> Also, I am OCD about the wiring, so it's a pain when they arent how I want them. But its fun to rearrange them
Jan 30 01:38:49 <Mad3ngineer_> I am pretty happy with how clean my inside looks though, I am using a corsair obsidian series 750D case, its really big, and it has a side window to look in and show people the parts
Jan 30 01:39:08 <Mad3ngineer_> I had to save a while to upgrade the case, starting with a cheap 60$ one
Jan 30 01:40:15 <Mad3ngineer_> The scariest part for me was putting the CPU in the socket. I was so scared that I was going to bend one of the pins... When it started up and I saw the boot menu, I was so relieved
Jan 30 01:42:03 <robedge> Anyone available for an Android Wear packaging question?
Jan 30 01:47:15 <robedge> I am having issues with my signed apk generating 1 app, it's currently creating a wear and mobile app.
Jan 30 01:49:26 <duncannz> What would you call an xml layout file with the sole purpose of being inflated by LayoutInflater?
Jan 30 01:49:51 <Anthaas> What is the purpose of inflating it?
Jan 30 01:50:11 <duncannz> to add details to it (set the text of its textview)
Jan 30 01:50:23 <Anthaas> Oh, a layout then?
Jan 30 01:50:49 <duncannz> ok haha I just thought it might have another name if it's just a sort of snippet for inclusions in other layouts rather than a screen itself
Jan 30 01:51:01 <Anthaas> oh, you mean like an include layout?
Jan 30 01:51:10 <Anthaas> So, a piece of reusable layout?
Jan 30 01:51:13 <duncannz> yeah
Jan 30 01:51:21 <Anthaas> Yeah, you can get include tags for that
Jan 30 01:51:28 <Anthaas> But it is still a layout
Jan 30 01:51:33 <Anthaas> Just a reusable one
Jan 30 01:51:36 <TacticalJoke> Are you asking what you should name the file?  Or are you asking how people should refer to such a thing?
Jan 30 01:51:42 <duncannz> how people refer to such a thing?
Jan 30 01:52:13 <duncannz> a layout that is only used by inclusion in other layouts (through LayoutInflater or <include> or whatever)
Jan 30 01:52:34 <TacticalJoke> This page says "re-usable layout": http://developer.android.com/training/improving-layouts/reusing-layouts.html
Jan 30 01:52:42 <TacticalJoke> Though all layouts are arguably "re-usable".
Jan 30 01:52:44 <duncannz> thanks :) sorry I couldn't find the right words haha
Jan 30 01:52:49 <TacticalJoke> In fact, 'reusable' is a word.
Jan 30 01:54:37 <Anthaas> Would love a copy of Mark Murphy's Android book (6.4). Being a student is such an arse at times.
Jan 30 01:57:37 <drose379> Network on main thread exception..hmm
Jan 30 01:58:15 <Anthaas> ASyncTask or new Thread
Jan 30 01:58:31 <Anthaas> You cant Network on the main thread as that will hold up the UI and make the app appear unresponsive.
Jan 30 01:58:32 <drose379> Something that im running on a background thread
Jan 30 01:58:42 <drose379> Ok
Jan 30 01:59:33 <duncannz> More experienced devs, do you organise strings.xml? At first I grouped it by which activity the string is used in, but that gets confusing when they are used by multiple. Any interesting ways to organise it?
Jan 30 02:00:00 <Anthaas> You could just have a generic category
Jan 30 02:00:04 <lewellyn> alphabetically :)
Jan 30 02:00:09 <Anthaas> for Strings like "OK", "Yes", or do it alphabetically
Jan 30 02:01:18 <Anthaas> Only thing there is you have to remember what you called your strings :P
Jan 30 02:01:18 <duncannz> lewellyn: is there an easy tool to do it alphabetically? I'd love to do it that way
Jan 30 02:01:31 <duncannz> and then you could sort of namespace them, like format strings start with format_ etc
Jan 30 02:01:33 <duncannz> that would be awesome
Jan 30 02:01:40 <duncannz> I'm using android studio btw
Jan 30 02:02:22 <lewellyn> in AS, dunno.
Jan 30 02:02:47 <lewellyn> it's easier to do from the start, though
Jan 30 02:02:56 <duncannz> Anthaas: I did actually have a general category like you described, but I still start to find that strings that really shouldn't be in there are reused between activities, such as "An error occurred while (specific activity)"
Jan 30 02:03:00 <duncannz> lewellyn: dw I'll look it up
Jan 30 02:03:22 <Anthaas> You should look at how you use Strings then
Jan 30 02:03:34 <Anthaas> use %s and when you print the String, pass the Activity name as a parameter :P
Jan 30 02:04:07 <Anthaas> e.g. setError(getString(R.string.error), activityName);
Jan 30 02:04:42 <duncannz> so what would you change about the string "An error occurred while processing the garden info from the server.\n\nDetails: %1$s"
Jan 30 02:04:49 <duncannz> where %1$s is e.toString()
Jan 30 02:05:12 <Anthaas> I wouldnt want my users to see such an error.
Jan 30 02:05:22 <Anthaas> I'd want to process/handle it as much as I can without them noticing.
Jan 30 02:05:37 <Anthaas> If I have to let them know, do it in a much friendlier way.
Jan 30 02:06:17 <duncannz> ok sure, it was just a bad example. what I'm saying is there are some times where a non generalized string is used in 2 activities. I like the sound of alphabetical order though so I'm gonna do that
Jan 30 02:06:34 <Anthaas> Well, you could just add another String holder.
Jan 30 02:06:42 <Anthaas> and still pass in the name of the activity.
Jan 30 02:08:56 <Anthaas> Even if you do go alphabetical, this is still a good idea to stop you from repeating Strings changing only the activity name.
Jan 30 02:10:07 <duncannz> ok I'll keep it in mind
Jan 30 02:10:30 <Anthaas> Just part of keeping your code DRY
Jan 30 02:10:50 <duncannz> one more thing that I can't find an answer to online and it's driving me nuts: how do I stop the automatic creation of the strings hello_world and settings, plus the creation of the settings menu item, every single time I create a new activity?
Jan 30 02:11:04 <JakeWharton> don't use the wizard
Jan 30 02:11:13 <Anthaas> ^
Jan 30 02:11:55 <duncannz> so just create a java file, layout xml file and menu file? and write out the default methods? wouldn't it be easier to change the actions of the wizard?
Jan 30 02:12:11 <JakeWharton> i've never used the wizard so i don't know
Jan 30 02:12:24 <Anthaas> Yes do that, and you can then just find your IDE's override/implement if you arent sure what methods you need to add.
Jan 30 02:12:34 <Anthaas> Im with Jake, I dont use the wizard.
Jan 30 02:12:34 <JesusFreke> the wizard is a trap!
Jan 30 02:12:46 <duncannz> ok then I'll take your word for it
Jan 30 02:13:01 <JakeWharton> the wizard is nice for when you don't know what you are doing
Jan 30 02:13:25 <duncannz> that's me
Jan 30 02:13:26 <Anthaas> I found that when I was first learning master detail, the wizard actually made it 10x harder.
Jan 30 02:14:04 <Anthaas> I also just plucked that number out my ass, I have no way of measuring it...
Jan 30 02:15:33 <TacticalJoke> I guess another option is to use the wizard and then revert changes selectively (using Git/Mercurial or a diff tool).  Though not using the wizard might be easier.
Jan 30 02:15:42 <Anthaas> One major tip that I'd give, when you are working with images for the first time, use Picasso (and Im not just saying that because Jake is here)
Jan 30 02:15:51 <JesusFreke> Anthaas: that's ok, 78% of numbers are plucked out of people asses
Jan 30 02:16:08 <Anthaas> Working with images can be a pain in the breasts at times, the Picasso library makes it a stupid amount easier.
Jan 30 02:16:37 <Anthaas> JesusFreke: :P
Jan 30 02:38:08 <drinfernoo> o/
Jan 30 02:38:40 <drinfernoo> anyone used/using AsymmetricGridView?
Jan 30 02:39:02 <drinfernoo> github.com/felipecsl/AsymmetricGridView lol
Jan 30 02:42:50 <TacticalJoke> I hate when doing the right thing makes your code messy.
Jan 30 02:42:56 <TacticalJoke> Then it's messy code versus doing the wrong thing.
Jan 30 02:43:52 <drose379> I need to start writing cleaner code
Jan 30 02:44:04 <g00s> that seems to be a reocurring theme with my java experiences TacticalJoke
Jan 30 02:44:11 <TacticalJoke> There's a good book called Clean Code by Bob Martin, drose379.
Jan 30 02:44:41 <drose379> Hm, cool.
Jan 30 02:44:43 <drose379> Thanks
Jan 30 02:44:47 <TacticalJoke> I also liked Code Complete a lot.  (I know these are both old and classic.)
Jan 30 02:44:59 <drose379> Nothing wrong with that
Jan 30 02:46:01 <g00s> wonder what steve mc is up to these days
Jan 30 02:46:11 <drinfernoo> drose379 me tooo
Jan 30 02:46:51 <drose379> Clean code pays off in the long run, ive realized
Jan 30 02:47:22 <Levite> for sure
Jan 30 02:47:33 <g00s> bleach would be a good name for programming language that promotes clean code :)
Jan 30 02:47:39 <TacticalJoke> :)
Jan 30 02:47:41 <drose379> haha
Jan 30 02:47:48 <drose379> ResourceNotFoundException
Jan 30 02:47:51 <drose379> hmm
Jan 30 02:49:09 <drinfernoo> I'd really like to figure out the whole "advocating against fragments" article from square
Jan 30 02:49:23 <drinfernoo> but my code just isn't clean enough to make sense of it all
Jan 30 02:50:44 <drose379> is square the same company that makes those credit card readers?
Jan 30 02:50:55 <JakeWharton> drose379: yes
Jan 30 02:51:10 <drinfernoo> yeah and Picasso and everything else as well as JakeWharton lol
Jan 30 02:51:11 <drose379> Sweet, cool product.
Jan 30 02:51:20 <drose379> JakeWharton your part of square?
Jan 30 02:51:30 <drinfernoo> I feel that way about everything square does tbh
Jan 30 02:51:37 <Levite> drinfernoo link?
Jan 30 02:52:23 <drinfernoo> Levite to which?
Jan 30 02:52:29 <Levite> the square article
Jan 30 02:52:34 <Levite> re: fragments
Jan 30 02:53:16 <JakeWharton> If you google those four words you'd be reading it aleady
Jan 30 02:54:10 <Levite> i'm not that interested
Jan 30 02:54:19 <drinfernoo> http://corner.squareup.com/2014/10/advocating-against-android-fragments.html
Jan 30 02:54:25 <Levite> ty
Jan 30 02:54:32 <drinfernoo> its a very good article, I just haven't taken the time to figure it out yet
Jan 30 02:54:44 <drinfernoo> it'd be an entire refactoring of all my code lol
Jan 30 02:54:48 <Levite> i'm surprised they haven't gone under already
Jan 30 02:55:18 <drinfernoo> who?
Jan 30 02:55:24 <MohitKanwal> Is there a way to set the status bar color when displaying a Popup Window? I have tried setting FLAG_DRAWS_SYSTEM_BAR_BACKGROUNDS but doesn't seems to help
Jan 30 02:55:24 <drinfernoo> lol
Jan 30 02:55:36 <drinfernoo> so nobody is using AsymmetricGridView, I take it?
Jan 30 02:55:44 <MohitKanwal> Is there some flag that I am missing?
Jan 30 02:55:58 <Levite> square. they seem more like a feature than a product
Jan 30 02:57:57 <drinfernoo> square is a company
Jan 30 02:58:02 <g00s> Jack Dorsey cracks me up. does he still call himself the editor ?
Jan 30 02:58:37 <JakeWharton> drinfernoo: nah it's a feature
Jan 30 02:58:38 <drinfernoo> the square reader is a big deal, as well as all of the software libraries they've contributed. Picasso is probably one of the most used android libraries around
Jan 30 02:58:51 <drinfernoo> JakeWharton, is it? lol idk I guess
Jan 30 02:59:02 <TacticalJoke> Levite:  That's kinda dismissive to say right in front of an employee.  :p
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