**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 11 02:59:58 2015
Feb 11 03:06:57 <DYnamo_> Hello, im trying to add android.support.v4.widget.SlidingPaneLayout onto my project but everytime i run my app it crashes. Any ideas? I tried researching this much and tried many things but still crashes. Need help please.
Feb 11 03:07:53 <bankai_> what did logcat say ?
Feb 11 03:07:55 <drose379> Whats the Exception in logcat
Feb 11 03:07:58 <drose379> ^
Feb 11 03:09:14 <DYnamo_> 02-10 22:08:46.600    1136-1136/com.example.dynamo.newbutton E/AndroidRuntime﹕ FATAL EXCEPTION: main
Feb 11 03:09:14 <DYnamo_>     Process: com.example.dynamo.newbutton, PID: 1136
Feb 11 03:09:14 <DYnamo_>     java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.example.dynamo.newbutton/com.example.dynamo.newbutton.MyActivity}: java.lang.RuntimeException: Binary XML file line #8: You must supply a layout_width attribute.
Feb 11 03:09:43 <DYnamo_> oh man
Feb 11 03:09:47 <DYnamo_> i think i know whats wrong now
Feb 11 03:09:54 <DYnamo_> let me try something
Feb 11 03:10:29 <DYnamo_> nope no good
Feb 11 03:10:43 <DYnamo_> so any ideas from you good people out there
Feb 11 03:10:59 <bankai_> it tells you
Feb 11 03:11:08 * capella isn't good
Feb 11 03:11:27 <DYnamo_> layout width
Feb 11 03:12:11 <DYnamo_> I have it already set as android:layout_width="match_parent"
Feb 11 03:13:50 <DYnamo_> <android.support.v4.widget.SlidingPaneLayout
Feb 11 03:13:51 <DYnamo_>     xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
Feb 11 03:13:51 <DYnamo_>     xmlns:tools="http://schemas.android.com/tools"
Feb 11 03:13:51 <DYnamo_>     android:layout_width="match_parent"
Feb 11 03:13:51 <DYnamo_>     android:layout_height="match_parent"
Feb 11 03:13:51 <DYnamo_>     tools:context=".MyActivity"
Feb 11 03:13:53 <DYnamo_>     android:id="@+id/spLayout">
Feb 11 03:13:55 <DYnamo_> this is what i have
Feb 11 03:14:20 <Leeds> please don't paste that much into the channel - use a pastebin
Feb 11 03:14:21 <DYnamo_> in my xml file for my main activity
Feb 11 03:14:29 <DYnamo_> k sorry bout that
Feb 11 03:14:32 <DYnamo_> :)
Feb 11 03:14:32 <Leeds> more than 2-3 lines, don't paste it
Feb 11 03:14:37 <DYnamo_> k no
Feb 11 03:14:39 <DYnamo_> np
Feb 11 03:15:08 <g00s> more than 2-3 lines, wrap it in bacon and pm it to Leeds :D
Feb 11 03:15:21 <Leeds> NO BACON!
Feb 11 03:15:37 <g00s> :)
Feb 11 03:17:07 <DYnamo_> This is my main activity: http://pastebin.com/ghPjn5ne
Feb 11 03:17:14 <DYnamo_> please check it
Feb 11 03:18:21 <DYnamo_> Oh i think the linear layout needs one width and height too
Feb 11 03:18:37 <Leeds> there ya go...
Feb 11 03:19:23 <DYnamo_> ok great it works now
Feb 11 03:19:53 <DYnamo_> Ahh collaboration is the best =)
Feb 11 03:20:38 <I-am-Groot> Hello
Feb 11 03:20:45 <Leeds> often, if you have to explain your problem to other people, you already know the answer
Feb 11 03:21:01 <I-am-Groot> I just installed Android studio
Feb 11 03:21:05 <child> is it better to directly connect through database by an android app or to do by web request?
Feb 11 03:21:06 <DYnamo_> =))
Feb 11 03:21:25 <Leeds> child: web
Feb 11 03:21:45 <I-am-Groot> I am unable to start the emulator
Feb 11 03:22:38 <DYnamo_> I-am-Groot: what happenes when you try
Feb 11 03:23:23 <I-am-Groot> Can i paste the error here??
Feb 11 03:23:38 <child> Leeds: could you tell me pros and cons?
Feb 11 03:23:41 <I-am-Groot> Here goes
Feb 11 03:23:43 <I-am-Groot> ERROR: 32-bit Linux Android emulator binaries are DEPRECATED, to use them
Feb 11 03:23:43 <I-am-Groot>        you will have to do at least one of the following:
Feb 11 03:23:43 <I-am-Groot>        - Use the '-force-32bit' option when invoking 'emulator'.
Feb 11 03:23:43 <I-am-Groot>        - Set ANDROID_EMULATOR_FORCE_32BIT to 'true' in your environment.
Feb 11 03:23:43 <I-am-Groot>        Either one will allow you to use the 32-bit binaries, but please be
Feb 11 03:23:44 <I-am-Groot>        aware that these will disappear in a future Android SDK release.
Feb 11 03:23:46 <I-am-Groot>        Consider moving to a 64-bit Linux system before that happens.
Feb 11 03:23:47 <DYnamo_> hehe well ill tell you what i was told, use pastebin :)
Feb 11 03:23:57 <bankai_> it's in the topic, now really ....
Feb 11 03:24:05 <I-am-Groot> OOpps
Feb 11 03:24:07 <DYnamo_> I-Am-Groot: use this next time buddy: http://pastebin.com/
Feb 11 03:24:08 <I-am-Groot> sorry
Feb 11 03:24:18 <I-am-Groot> Okay
Feb 11 03:24:26 <bankai_> also, the error tells you the problems ...
Feb 11 03:24:40 <I-am-Groot> Yea
Feb 11 03:24:51 <I-am-Groot> It seems to be giving me a workaround
Feb 11 03:24:58 <I-am-Groot> But i dont know where to start
Feb 11 03:25:09 <DYnamo_> which image are you using for the emulator
Feb 11 03:25:22 <bankai_> you don't know where to start following the instructions it just gave you ?
Feb 11 03:25:23 <I-am-Groot> Its a Nexus 5
Feb 11 03:25:41 <I-am-Groot> Yea
Feb 11 03:26:23 <I-am-Groot> bankai, its telling me to use -force -32bit option
Feb 11 03:26:45 <I-am-Groot> Where do i insert that
Feb 11 03:28:17 <bankai_> why aren't you running 64 bit anyway?
Feb 11 03:28:27 <_genuser_> finally added a new file parser class to read legacy versions. and create versioned files.
Feb 11 03:28:39 <bankai_> i'd go for the env var, then you don't have to worry about it again
Feb 11 03:28:53 <I-am-Groot> OOkay
Feb 11 03:29:08 <I-am-Groot> Forgive my Noobness... but am still lost
Feb 11 03:31:38 <I-am-Groot> is there a specific irc channel for android studio?
Feb 11 03:32:18 <bankai_> your problem isn't related to AS
Feb 11 03:34:16 <I-am-Groot> Okay
Feb 11 03:34:25 <I-am-Groot> What is it related to??
Feb 11 03:34:55 <bankai_> the emulator
Feb 11 03:35:10 <_genuser_> u mean emulatah?
Feb 11 03:44:47 <I-am-Groot> Yea
Feb 11 03:44:49 <I-am-Groot> Lol
Feb 11 03:45:04 <I-am-Groot> I have done some research ryt now
Feb 11 03:45:37 <I-am-Groot> i just added export ANDROID_EMULATOR_FORCE_32BIT=true to my .bashrc
Feb 11 03:45:47 <I-am-Groot> but it still wont launch :(
Feb 11 03:45:57 <Amun-Ra> what is "google apis" in the sdk manager?
Feb 11 03:48:36 <Amun-Ra> how does it differ from google play services?
Feb 11 03:48:36 <I-am-Groot> Guys, so if AS's inbuilt emulator doesnt work, is there any way i could run my projects??
Feb 11 03:48:43 <bankai_> you're probably after google play services, under extras
Feb 11 03:49:07 <I-am-Groot> I have Genymotion installed
Feb 11 03:49:08 <Amun-Ra> bankai_, that's a different topic though.  that is "google apis"?
Feb 11 03:49:09 <bankai_> I-am-Groot: they aren't inbuilt and they do work
Feb 11 03:49:30 <Amun-Ra> bankai_, sorry, what* is "google apis"?
Feb 11 03:49:34 <I-am-Groot> Pls tell me how to get it up and running bankai
Feb 11 03:49:53 <Amun-Ra> I-am-Groot, the emulator is crap.  use a device
Feb 11 03:50:02 <I-am-Groot> Hmmm okay
Feb 11 03:50:12 <I-am-Groot> Can i use genymotion??
Feb 11 03:50:17 <Amun-Ra> use a device
Feb 11 03:50:29 <I-am-Groot> Okay
Feb 11 03:51:04 <Amun-Ra> fuggg https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+%22google+apis%22+in+sdk+manager&client=safari&rls=en&ei=F9DaVIjjLcnSoASci4KwCA&start=10&sa=N&biw=1183&bih=695
Feb 11 04:00:42 <g00s> anyone ever figure a clever way to reduce duplication of preference key (strings) used in the API and specifie in the xml's android:key tag?
Feb 11 04:04:33 <Napalm|afk> g00s: use string resources
Feb 11 04:04:43 <Napalm|afk> night
Feb 11 04:05:03 <g00s> night
Feb 11 04:06:01 <pfn> Napalm|afk and his stupid crazy sleep schedule
Feb 11 04:06:27 <pfn> 😵😴
Feb 11 04:14:58 <solofight> how come apps like these are allowed in playstore ! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yschi.MyAppSharer&hl=en
Feb 11 04:15:03 <solofight> what happens if the users uses this app to share a purchased app for free to all his friends ?
Feb 11 04:15:06 <solofight> hwo did google allow such an app ! ?
Feb 11 04:15:39 <Leeds> solofight: are you expecting the answer to have changed since you asked the same question yesterday?
Feb 11 04:18:11 <solofight> Leeds: oh,... just noticing that there were answers to my question yesterday !... my bad to expect people to tag my name when they answer :(
Feb 11 04:20:34 <g00s> i'm just curious, how would that even work ?
Feb 11 04:21:31 <Leeds> g00s: well, if you put someone's nick in your response, the IRC client can highlight your response to that person
Feb 11 04:21:48 <g00s> "Offers in-app purchases" ... can you share its IAPs too :)
Feb 11 04:22:09 <solofight> thanks Leeds
Feb 11 04:26:06 <_genuser_>   do you guys ever create binary formats? Or just dump everything into an xml or json file and base64 encode the binary data?
Feb 11 04:27:05 <g00s> probably better to protobuf it
Feb 11 04:27:12 <g00s> if you can
Feb 11 04:27:25 <_genuser_> g00s: me?
Feb 11 04:35:31 <I-am-Groot> Guys..Its me again
Feb 11 04:36:25 <I-am-Groot> Where is AS supposed to save apks on ubuntu?
Feb 11 04:37:21 <I-am-Groot> Because mine is being saved in the root directory
Feb 11 04:37:26 <I-am-Groot> is that normal?
Feb 11 04:38:27 <yiati> I-am-Groot, it's up to how you are building the app
Feb 11 04:38:56 <I-am-Groot> mmmm...no response :(
Feb 11 06:06:27 <g00s> holy crap, 8K displays are coming :O
Feb 11 06:14:27 <Amun-Ra> smh
Feb 11 06:14:33 <Amun-Ra> almost feel good i haven't bought a 4k yet
Feb 11 06:14:49 <Amun-Ra> that would explain why they were looking kinda affordable this past black friday though
Feb 11 06:18:47 <razzledazzle> What is the recommended approach if the application has no portrait layout? I've set android:configChanges="orientation|screenSize|keyboardHidden" android:screenOrientation="landscape" yet still the application crashes upon screen lock.
Feb 11 06:21:12 <razzledazzle> also this: minSdkVersion 16  targetSdkVersion 21
Feb 11 06:23:51 <razzledazzle> this is the base class that other two activities have extended: http://pastebin.com/FPSgCWMz
Feb 11 06:35:45 <SheikhAman> Hello Everybody!
Feb 11 06:38:24 <SheikhAman> So I have a conceptual question : What would be the caveats of Event Bus over Interface based callback mechanism?
Feb 11 06:38:37 <SheikhAman> In terms of overall size of the app?
Feb 11 06:38:49 <SheikhAman> I have an app where a lot of interfaces are being used for communication and callbacks. This makes the whole flow quite complex to understand. I wanted to switch to an Event Bus for brevity purposes.
Feb 11 06:40:30 <deuteros> cons of event bus: need to create event classes and all the classes depend on it. Overall, I still find it has more benefits than drawbacks
Feb 11 06:44:05 <SheikhAman> deuteros, completely agreed on that. similarly, we have to create interfaces for them
Feb 11 06:44:24 <SheikhAman> I was mainly concerned about the APK size because of the event bus library
Feb 11 06:45:15 <deuteros> SheikhAman: Should be the least of your concerns, it’s pretty small
Feb 11 06:46:55 <SheikhAman> :D Thanks!
Feb 11 06:47:07 <SheikhAman> Will be doing some experiments and will post results here
Feb 11 06:47:11 <g00s> Napalm applyStyle() works, i used it wrong. so you can use it to simulate mixins for themes \o/
Feb 11 06:48:39 <g00s> i spend way too much time looking up android theme attributes, i hate this crap
Feb 11 07:10:20 <SheikhAman> Otto is just 17KB and Green Robot's Event Bus is less than 50KB. Good enough
Feb 11 07:10:42 <SheikhAman> I think I'll now have to see if learning Otto is too steep of a path, since I am already accustomed to Event Bus
Feb 11 07:11:06 <JakeWharton> It isn't
Feb 11 07:14:18 <knapper_tech> Can I subscribe to a replay subject after it's been subscribed to and unsubscribed?
Feb 11 07:14:33 <g00s> knapper_tech sure
Feb 11 07:14:41 <g00s> its a hot observable
Feb 11 07:14:51 <knapper_tech> Got a null pointer reference on trying to resubscribe and not sure what nulled
Feb 11 07:16:10 <g00s> all of the hot observables can be subscribed / unsubscribed until the cows come home - not sure what happens when they call onComplete, i suppose your subscriber would get an immediate onComplete
Feb 11 07:17:19 <knapper_tech> Attempt to invoke virtual method 'java.lang.Object android.content.Context.getSystemService(java.lang.String)' on a null object reference
Feb 11 07:18:14 <g00s> i dont see anything related to rx there :)
Feb 11 07:19:09 <knapper_tech> null exception occured deep in rx call stack
Feb 11 07:19:14 <knapper_tech> rx calls at the top of the stack]
Feb 11 07:20:41 <g00s> dunno, use the latest 1.0.5 - i've never had problems with those. stuff blows up when you onError but your subscriber doesn't implement onError - i make that mistake on occasion
Feb 11 07:22:17 <deuteros> The tight coupling between observables and subscribers still bother me about rx
Feb 11 07:32:34 <knapper_tech> g00s, found the error.  I'm hooking up a fragment that isn't visible to a subscription...so that I can return the.....stupid....
Feb 11 07:32:43 <knapper_tech> I have a fragment so I'll manage lifecycle there
Feb 11 07:33:12 <knapper_tech> I was managing the subscriptions of children that were quite smart enough to unsubscribe themselves like good little spawn
Feb 11 07:34:00 <g00s> :)
Feb 11 07:35:25 <thepoosh> g00s: worked a bit with AS last night
Feb 11 07:35:29 <thepoosh> it lloks noce
Feb 11 07:35:30 <thepoosh> nice
Feb 11 07:35:35 <g00s> hey thepoosh
Feb 11 07:35:42 <thepoosh> hi hi
Feb 11 07:35:46 <g00s> you have been using eclipse up to now ?
Feb 11 07:36:06 <g00s> what about the rest of the team ?
Feb 11 07:36:17 <thepoosh> yeah, still doing it since our build.gradle is not compatible with the AS plugin
Feb 11 07:36:24 <thepoosh> and also uses outdated gradle
Feb 11 07:36:26 <thepoosh> (1.12)
Feb 11 07:36:29 <g00s> hm
Feb 11 07:36:46 <thepoosh> but a team member ported the project to AS earlier this week
Feb 11 07:36:49 <thepoosh> so I had a look
Feb 11 07:36:55 <thepoosh> it's quite nice
Feb 11 07:36:58 <knapper_tech> it's s obeautiful
Feb 11 07:37:07 <thepoosh> even though it said that it's in beta
Feb 11 07:37:37 <g00s> thepoosh hm, the ide shouldn't give you trouble. but you'll have to make sure your gradle build works OK.
Feb 11 07:37:43 <knapper_tech> thepoosh, I've been getting shit done with AS.  The support for xml and id reference things are pretty awesome.
Feb 11 07:38:04 <g00s> since you are on these sprints, and seems like heads are rolling, i'd use gradle-plugin 1.0.+ still
Feb 11 07:38:52 <thepoosh> anywho, sprints are relaxing
Feb 11 07:39:02 <thepoosh> too much shit sue to bad specs and design
Feb 11 07:39:07 <thepoosh> *due
Feb 11 07:39:17 <thepoosh> so we're slowing down the pace
Feb 11 07:39:20 <g00s> thepoosh who makes the specs ?
Feb 11 07:39:27 <thepoosh> we have a product team
Feb 11 07:39:59 <g00s> sounds like a big production over there :)
Feb 11 07:40:13 <thepoosh> we have about 53 workers here
Feb 11 07:40:47 <thepoosh> 6 product, 2 design, 7 android, 6 iOS, about 8 server
Feb 11 07:40:56 <thepoosh> a few customer service people
Feb 11 07:41:00 <thepoosh> some marketing
Feb 11 07:41:07 <thepoosh> CPO, CTO, CEO
Feb 11 07:41:09 <knapper_tech> Only thing I hate in AS is that it doesn't select which tabs to display ver well
Feb 11 07:41:23 <thepoosh> hmmm
Feb 11 07:41:28 <knapper_tech> Chief poop officer?
Feb 11 07:41:36 <thepoosh> product
Feb 11 07:41:56 <knapper_tech> didn't know that was C-level, but cool!
Feb 11 07:42:14 <thepoosh> he is one of the founders
Feb 11 07:42:16 <knapper_tech> product!  it's all product!
Feb 11 07:42:25 <thepoosh> he's the dreamer
Feb 11 07:42:31 <thepoosh> of how things should work and look
Feb 11 07:42:32 <g00s> oh boy
Feb 11 07:42:42 <g00s> what do the 6 product people do ?
Feb 11 07:42:45 <deuteros__> There are still a few things that bother me about AS compared to Eclipse, like the logcat view is crazy slow, the absence of incremental recompilation
Feb 11 07:42:46 <g00s> thats crazy
Feb 11 07:43:14 <g00s> deuteros__ yeah, incremental compilation :(
Feb 11 07:43:21 <knapper_tech> AS recompiles my stuff super fast..  SSD so maybe I just can't see
Feb 11 07:43:41 <deuteros__> g00s: Even a Problems view would be an improvement, but instead, I have to type alt-f9 to build all the time... wtf, this is 2015
Feb 11 07:43:49 <thepoosh> you can have incremental builds
Feb 11 07:43:51 <g00s> problem is i actually have to compile to find errors in the project
Feb 11 07:44:16 <deuteros__> g00s: Exactly, that's retarded
Feb 11 07:44:16 <g00s> even though AS seems smarter about the model, which is more flexible, it seems dummer about whats wrong
Feb 11 07:44:21 <thepoosh> g00s: they design marketing, iPhone app, iPad app, Android app, iWatch app, Android wear app
Feb 11 07:47:16 <g00s> thepoosh who does UX ?
Feb 11 07:48:38 <g00s> but thats interesting, 7 android people
Feb 11 07:49:13 <g00s> maybe if i could clone myself 6 times i'd actually be able to get my android project done
Feb 11 07:49:25 <deuteros__> You'd keep arguing with yourself
Feb 11 07:51:14 <g00s> yeah thats not good
Feb 11 07:51:32 <thepoosh> g00s: the designer after talking to prodcut and one of our guys is the UI/UX master
Feb 11 07:52:25 <makani> Is there anyone who has sucessfully restored a dialogfragment on rotate?
Feb 11 07:52:45 <makani> http://pastebin.com/EVKhA1CV
Feb 11 07:53:10 <makani> Even trying to restore my dialog in my activities onCreate fails
Feb 11 07:54:29 <makani> http://pastebin.com/n8XAS9km
Feb 11 07:54:33 <g00s> yeah i think i've been getting google messages about that bug for like 2 years
Feb 11 07:54:37 <g00s> maybe more
Feb 11 07:54:53 <makani> I am running lollipop
Feb 11 08:04:17 <joshnz> Hi all, new to Android. Trying to follow getting started docs from Google. A default template includes the manifest line android:theme="@style/AppTheme" and the AppTheme file says something like  <style name="AppTheme" parent="android:Theme.Holo"> but when I change this parent (eg from light to dark) there are no changes. However, if I change the manifest to read something such as android:theme="@android:style/Theme.M
Feb 11 08:04:17 <joshnz> aterial"  then the theme changes as expected. Why is the AppStyle not working?
Feb 11 08:07:41 <SheikhAman> joshnz, do you have two versions of styles.xml file?
Feb 11 08:08:31 <joshnz> Ah, I see. Yes, I do, one is labelled for v21, which is what I'm running. I'll  need to change that one I guess, the other is for older API levels?
Feb 11 08:09:42 <joshnz> Android studio is doing some strange "merging" of folders in the project tree, lol
Feb 11 08:10:42 <Gamodr> Hi everyone, is there a simple programantic way to add host <--> IP-relations?
Feb 11 08:10:55 <Gamodr> they wouldn't need to be preserved on reboot
Feb 11 08:11:19 <joshnz> Works as expected now, thanks SheikhAman
Feb 11 08:11:47 <xgearx> Hello! I want to share image from resources in app A to app B using content provider. How better to solve this?
Feb 11 08:12:09 <xgearx> FileProvider? Or there is some tricks with uris?
Feb 11 08:12:10 <SheikhAman> joshnz, haha yeah, AS does that. And you're right. v21 will work on Lollipop+ (my best guess)
Feb 11 08:17:00 <Gamodr> or might it be possible (and easier) to use a custom dns proxy?
Feb 11 08:37:07 <joshnz> According to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19977081/how-to-change-the-color-of-the-android-actionbar-without-using-any-image-resourc I can make a drawable XML file. How do I create this in AS? Right clicking on the drawable folder | New | drawable resource file... can't figure out how to get OK to enable? What are these qualifiers, that even when I choose something, doesn't enable the OK button?
Feb 11 08:44:52 <makani> This did the trick: http://pastebin.com/g64ggUSq
Feb 11 08:44:55 <Ankhwatcher> Morning peeps
Feb 11 08:46:23 <thepoosh> Ankhwatcher: morning person!
Feb 11 08:47:30 <Ankhwatcher> thepoosh: steady on with the accusations!
Feb 11 08:47:45 <thepoosh> IT IS MORNING!!!!
Feb 11 08:47:52 <thepoosh> DON'T DENY IT!!!
Feb 11 08:47:55 <pifon> Top of the morning to ya
Feb 11 08:50:12 <Troffel> and the rest of the day to you
Feb 11 08:53:38 <cristen> Hi everyone, I wonder what is the wisest choice between SharedPreferences and InternalStorage to persist a user choice (terms approbation) ?
Feb 11 08:54:22 <SheikhAman> cristen, depends
Feb 11 08:54:43 <cristen> develop ?
Feb 11 08:55:08 <SheikhAman> SharedPreference is the faster as compared to others, but should be used to store small amount of data, mainly to tell you something like status of something, user preference etc
Feb 11 08:56:06 <cristen> ok, I'll go with it I guess then, the use case is to prevent the terms for showing up if the user already approved it.
Feb 11 08:57:46 <cristen> Thx SheikhAman :)
Feb 11 08:57:56 <SheikhAman> cristen, :)
Feb 11 09:00:33 <tty> hi. i have a button that generates a pdf (on the backend) on android app. how can i store/download the pdf to the device?
Feb 11 09:20:24 <donniezazen> I am working on my first very basic app. Should I bother about Fragments at all?
Feb 11 09:21:30 <SheikhAman> tty, once the backend is done creating the pdf, have it send the URL to that generated pdf to your app, and let the app download it.
Feb 11 09:21:52 <thepoosh> donniezazen: no, don't bother
Feb 11 09:21:57 <thepoosh> only use them if you need them
Feb 11 09:22:17 <SheikhAman> your app can keep waiting for the backend's URL, where it sends the request, to give you the URL, or if it's really long running operation, consider using push messages for notification
Feb 11 09:22:42 <SheikhAman> donniezazen, as thepoosh said, don't bother, even if the IDE forces it on you lol get the basics first
Feb 11 09:25:42 <tty> SheikhAman: thanks. will try it.
Feb 11 09:26:26 <donniezazen> thepoosh: SheikhAman Thanks. I was having problem understanding where things go in fragments. I can always refactor once I get some idea on how they work.
Feb 11 09:27:30 <SheikhAman> donniezazen, absolutely
Feb 11 09:27:38 <SheikhAman> tty, cool, all the best :)
Feb 11 09:28:54 <thepoosh> donniezazen: they might help organise your mind if you're working on complex things but the first app not so much
Feb 11 09:30:17 <donniezazen> cool. good to know.
Feb 11 09:32:15 <thepoosh> it's basically meant to be helpful for architecture of the app, separating the controller (Activity) from the View (Fragment)
Feb 11 09:32:23 <thepoosh> and delegating work to specific units
Feb 11 09:34:53 <Ankhwatcher> thepoosh: I may be a person. And it may be morning, that doesn't mean you can throw around accusations like "morning person"
Feb 11 09:35:25 <Leeds> it's a long way from morning
Feb 11 09:35:30 <thepoosh> Ankhwatcher: I think that your weird attempts to deny your crimes is mostly sad
Feb 11 09:35:38 <thepoosh> Leeds: you don't count!
Feb 11 09:35:44 <Leeds> yes I do!
Feb 11 09:35:48 <Leeds> 1...2...3...4...5...
Feb 11 09:35:53 <thepoosh> hmmmmm
Feb 11 09:35:56 <thepoosh> got me there
Feb 11 09:36:00 <Ankhwatcher> Leeds: it's been a long road, getting from there to here...
Feb 11 09:36:27 <thepoosh> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10994238_1063894683626118_5076500536239447004_n.jpg?oh=e47114124cd047512cf2a0fe22d545c9&oe=5560E954
Feb 11 09:36:32 <thepoosh> this is what I have
Feb 11 09:37:09 <Leeds> wtf???
Feb 11 09:37:43 <thepoosh> Leeds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB92yoK242s
Feb 11 09:37:48 <Ankhwatcher> heh
Feb 11 09:37:50 <Ankhwatcher> whence
Feb 11 09:44:15 <Levite> so a ScrollView can only be vertical, if you need it horizontal you use HorizontalScrollView, is that correct?
Feb 11 09:45:30 <Mavrik> yes
Feb 11 09:46:00 <Levite> ty
Feb 11 09:48:56 <Leeds> now I'm very very confused
Feb 11 09:51:21 <thepoosh> Leeds: you watched all 7 episodes?
Feb 11 09:51:26 <thepoosh> there are 4 more
Feb 11 09:51:28 <tty> i have a form inside an app where it says “known allergies”. somehow i want to have none by default and the user to be able to add custom rows(textfields)
Feb 11 09:51:42 <Leeds> thepoosh: just watched that one you linked
Feb 11 09:51:44 <tty> should i use tablelayout for this>?
Feb 11 09:52:00 <thepoosh> Leeds: there are a few more, look for filmcow on youtube
Feb 11 09:52:40 <Ankhwatcher> tty: I'd go listview, but TableLayout could work
Feb 11 09:52:49 <Ankhwatcher> it depends on how many things you expect to have
Feb 11 09:54:00 <tty> Ankhwatcher: it’s a small form. 2 spinners and 5 fields where i want to be able to “add new textfield” and be able to add let’s say 2 textfields below .
Feb 11 09:54:55 <Ankhwatcher> TableLayout's a valid enough way to do that
Feb 11 09:55:18 <Ankhwatcher> or you can just use an LinearLayout and add your cells to that
Feb 11 09:57:26 <Ankhwatcher> tty: http://developer.android.com/training/animation/layout.html
Feb 11 09:58:04 <tty> Ankhwatcher: Thanks. Will try this, too.
Feb 11 11:03:49 <RusAlex> Im just reading Building Web App in WebView google manual.
Feb 11 11:04:03 <RusAlex> And it said, that page must be loaded from an external url.
Feb 11 11:04:26 <corentin> Hi, how to achieve the same in android 4.0 as is shown here: https://developer.android.com/training/articles/keystore.html#UsingAndroidKeyStore
Feb 11 11:04:34 <corentin> do I have to use SpongyCastle?
Feb 11 11:04:36 <RusAlex> is there a way to host all html/js/css inside your app and do not load page from url.
Feb 11 11:05:28 <corentin> RusAlex: have you tried to use an URL such as file:///path/to/your/webroot or so?
Feb 11 11:05:48 <corentin> if it doesn't work I guess you'd need to run a webserver
Feb 11 11:08:37 <danijoo> RusAlex, you can put them in the assets
Feb 11 11:09:36 <danijoo> webview.loadUrl("file://android_asset/your_html_site.html")
Feb 11 11:12:20 <RusAlex> danijoo: ok
Feb 11 11:12:29 <RusAlex> but I think native app is better
Feb 11 11:12:33 <RusAlex> =)
Feb 11 11:12:43 <RusAlex> thought WebView is my solution. but no
Feb 11 11:33:58 <RusAlex> package R does not exist
Feb 11 11:34:07 <RusAlex> trying to use function setContentView
Feb 11 11:34:27 <RusAlex> onCreate override method
Feb 11 11:34:31 <RusAlex> sure in activity
Feb 11 11:43:59 <TacticalJoke> RusAlex:  Many possible causes.
Feb 11 11:44:22 <RusAlex> TacticalJoke: yes. I found I had incorrect app id in AndroidManifest and plus mvn packaging jar instead of apk
Feb 11 11:44:43 <RusAlex> initially I run `mvn create progect` not for android app but just for regular java app. I think
Feb 11 11:46:37 <Troffel> is it possible to return data from JS in a webview without using a @JavascriptInterface to return the value through?
Feb 11 11:46:51 <Troffel> I'm thinking about newer versions, +4
Feb 11 11:46:58 <Troffel> since I know it isn't possible in earlier
Feb 11 11:47:54 <Levite> you might be able to use shouldOverrideUrlLoading to send data
Feb 11 11:48:37 <Troffel> It's the returned data I need, such as a return value from a jquery function
Feb 11 11:49:11 <Levite> I'm thinking you could base64 encode it then set the document location to some custom url scheme, then intercept it in the web client
Feb 11 11:49:17 <Troffel> shouldOverrideUrlLoading you mean like using an iframe and catching the url loading?
Feb 11 11:49:44 <Levite> that might work too
Feb 11 11:49:59 <Troffel> ye, exactly. but nope, I don't have any option of changing the website
Feb 11 11:50:03 <Levite> i believe if you return false it would just halt the request though, which would be easier
Feb 11 11:50:20 <Troffel> all I can do is to load it, and inject JS
Feb 11 11:50:22 <Levite> er, true
Feb 11 11:50:37 <Troffel> so I guess im SOL :|
Feb 11 11:53:03 <Troffel> Levite, however I can inject some JS code, and then call it.
Feb 11 11:53:11 <Troffel> and catch the return valu
Feb 11 11:53:35 <Levite> yep
Feb 11 11:53:56 <Troffel> god I hate making these hacky solutions
Feb 11 11:54:06 <Levite> why can't you use a JS interface?
Feb 11 11:54:32 <Troffel> well I can, but there isn't a JS method that returns the data I need
Feb 11 11:54:45 <Troffel> so I need to inject that first myself
Feb 11 11:54:59 <RusAlex> Troffel: do you write WebView app ?
Feb 11 11:55:14 <Troffel> RusAlex, I am forced to :(
Feb 11 11:55:32 <RusAlex> Troffel: what was the key decision not to use native ?
Feb 11 11:55:46 <Makalak> so guys, can anyone help me remove the gap between the toolbar & navigationbar/containcontainer http://pastebin.com/fSjGxa7S
Feb 11 11:55:52 <Troffel> the backend department decided it was a good idea to store data as HTML
Feb 11 11:55:57 <Troffel> (go figure >_> )
Feb 11 11:56:24 <Makalak> navdrawer*
Feb 11 11:57:17 <Troffel> RusAlex, media company. Article data is stored as HTML. awful solution, slow, heavy on data.
Feb 11 11:57:51 <Makalak> i followed tutorial  so that the nav drawer would wipe behind the actionbar, but the consequence was that content went beind the transparent nav bar, so i set android:fitsSystemWindows="true", but that caused the gap between toolbar and content
Feb 11 11:58:03 <RusAlex> Troffel: thank you to hummer a nail not to use WebView at the moment
Feb 11 11:59:34 <danijoo> Makalak, you mean the gap between the Toolbar and DrawerLayout?
Feb 11 11:59:56 <Makalak> danijoo: almost like a padding, yet i have non set as you can see
Feb 11 12:00:12 <danijoo> nope. I see that you set a padding :p
Feb 11 12:00:18 <Makalak> ya
Feb 11 12:00:24 <danijoo> line 30: android:paddingTop="@dimen/tool_bar_top_padding_inv"
Feb 11 12:00:26 <Makalak> thats top padding
Feb 11 12:00:34 <Makalak> its a minus value
Feb 11 12:00:39 <Makalak> i was experimenting
Feb 11 12:00:42 <Makalak> it has no effect
Feb 11 12:01:03 <danijoo> are you sure? ^^
Feb 11 12:01:45 <makani> Damn. Next issue: My dialog includes a spinner with a custom adapter. How can I retstore this spinner after the rotating the screen?
Feb 11 12:01:47 <Troffel> RusAlex, what do you mean?
Feb 11 12:01:52 <Makalak> danijoo: yes an im removing it, just to be sure, though i added it in hopes of moving the layout a bit higheer
Feb 11 12:02:00 <Makalak> well i removed it, as i said nothing
Feb 11 12:02:18 <danijoo> there shouldnt be a padding then .hm..
Feb 11 12:06:51 <Makalak> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dparmcl4hszfiyf/Screenshot_2015-02-11-12-03-51.png?dl=0
Feb 11 12:16:46 <pifon1> developmet
Feb 11 12:17:00 <pifon1> so guys any of you actually make good money on android?
Feb 11 12:17:10 <pifon1> i dont know of any guys who do tbh hehe
Feb 11 12:17:28 <pifon1> android users want free stuff period
Feb 11 12:18:08 <Makalak> all users want free stuff period
Feb 11 12:18:21 <pifon1> on ios they got some uh "stupid" users
Feb 11 12:18:26 <pifon1> who pay microtransactions hehe
Feb 11 12:18:35 <TacticalJoke> I'd go so far as to say that users *need* free stuff.
Feb 11 12:18:40 <Makalak> that
Feb 11 12:18:43 <Makalak> both
Feb 11 12:18:45 <TacticalJoke> Imagine if we had to pay money for Google Chrome or Firefox.
Feb 11 12:18:55 <pifon1> i think apple requires credit card info to register thats why
Feb 11 12:18:57 <Makalak> id still be using IE :p
Feb 11 12:19:03 <pifon1> obviously it is easy to circumvent that
Feb 11 12:19:09 <pifon1> but most people dont do that
Feb 11 12:19:20 <Makalak> you say that as an android user :p
Feb 11 12:19:30 <Makalak> you think, most people dont
Feb 11 12:19:54 <Makalak> now, anyone can help me with my problem?
Feb 11 12:20:07 <pifon1> well i am an ios user tbh lol
Feb 11 12:20:15 <pifon1> but yeah i didnt give them my credit card inf
Feb 11 12:20:17 <pifon1> info
Feb 11 12:20:18 <Makalak> the odd exception
Feb 11 12:21:32 <TacticalJoke> Am I wrong to think that Google should've released only the v7 Toolbar and not android.widget.Toolbar?
Feb 11 12:22:26 <TacticalJoke> It just seems like Google makes obvious mistake after obvious mistake.
Feb 11 12:22:30 <TacticalJoke> It's hard to watch.
Feb 11 12:24:18 <cezium> how do I color the drawer icon in ActionBarDrawerToggle programmatically (support-v7)?
Feb 11 12:27:03 <shmooz> weird, the newest windows 7 update removed my shortcut to command prompt from my quick launch and it won't let me pin it there no more
Feb 11 12:51:00 <nikio_> where is the internal storage location? is it possible to create a folder in the same directory as the app?
Feb 11 12:53:30 <danijoo> nikio_, the internal storage location is at Context.getFilesDir()
Feb 11 12:54:14 <danijoo> *usually*, this maps to /data/data/your.package/ but you should not rely on that
Feb 11 12:54:33 <sci-fi> why am i getting null pointer ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10172825/
Feb 11 12:54:50 <nikio_> danijoo, is that in the same folder as your apps binary?
Feb 11 12:54:55 <sci-fi> at the photo_uri
Feb 11 12:55:08 <danijoo> nikio_, what is the apps binary? there are no binaries
Feb 11 12:55:25 <nikio_> danijoo sure there is..
Feb 11 12:55:42 <danijoo> nikio_, do you mean the apk?
Feb 11 12:56:23 <nikio_> danijoo apps are files of instructions that get run by the dalvik virtual machine, or in case of native code by the processor directly
Feb 11 12:57:27 <TacticalJoke> sci-fi:  Use ==, not .equals.
Feb 11 12:57:31 <adq> photoUri.equals(null) <-- dangerous
Feb 11 12:57:38 <adq> photoUri == null
Feb 11 12:57:41 <danijoo> nikio_, wheres the binary in that definition?
Feb 11 12:57:45 <TacticalJoke> It doesn't make sense to use the latter: if it's null then you get an exception; otherwise, you get 'false'.
Feb 11 12:57:52 <adq> usually, you cannot call a method of a null object
Feb 11 12:58:08 <adq> so testing if a null object is null with a method would probably lead to your issue
Feb 11 12:58:09 <TacticalJoke> adq:  Isn't it 'always'?  :)
Feb 11 12:58:10 <sci-fi> ltme try
Feb 11 12:58:16 <adq> TacticalJoke, there are some trick iirc
Feb 11 12:58:18 <adq> tricks*
Feb 11 12:59:52 <sci-fi> ive been dealing an hour for this, thanks :o
Feb 11 13:01:17 <nikio_> danijoo thats what i ask you : ]
Feb 11 13:01:26 <TacticalJoke> sci-fi:  If someObject might be null, saying "someObject.anything()" is dangerous.
Feb 11 13:01:36 <danijoo> nikio_, tell me what you try to do :)
Feb 11 13:01:53 <nikio_> some code gets executed somewhere, id like to ask if its possible to create a folder in the same location as that code
Feb 11 13:01:56 <sci-fi> TacticalJoke: i definetly never forget it :D
Feb 11 13:02:00 <danijoo> there are no .exe binaries or something like that in android/java.
Feb 11 13:02:01 <Leeds> nikio_: why?
Feb 11 13:02:13 <sci-fi> never ever ever
Feb 11 13:02:15 <nikio_> danijoo there is
Feb 11 13:02:30 <danijoo> you have an apk, you install that, and after that you have some directories where you are allowed to work on. your sandbox
Feb 11 13:02:41 <nikio_> even .jar or .apk files have class files that contain the code that gets executed
Feb 11 13:03:07 <danijoo> apks dont have class files. they are dexed
Feb 11 13:04:58 <danijoo> nikio_, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/ART_view.png thats how code execution works for android
Feb 11 13:05:27 <nikio_> danijoo Programs are commonly written in Java and compiled to bytecode for the Java virtual machine, which is then translated to Dalvik bytecode and stored in .dex (Dalvik EXecutable) and .odex (Optimized Dalvik EXecutable) files; related terms odex and de-odex are associated with respective bytecode conversions. The compact Dalvik Executable format is designed for systems that are constrained in terms of memory and processor speed.
Feb 11 13:05:38 <nikio_> its bytecode either way
Feb 11 13:05:50 <nikio_> and you can run native code too
Feb 11 13:06:02 <nikio_> which is simply a file that the processor runs directly
Feb 11 13:06:02 <RusAlex> package android.support.v4.widget does not exist
Feb 11 13:06:09 <Leeds> nikio_: what the fuck are you talking about?
Feb 11 13:06:10 <nikio_> so its not even always dex format
Feb 11 13:07:25 <danijoo> nikio_, quick answer: no you cant create files where your programm files are stored. Long answer: dex files are stored in the apk. when the app is executed, dex files get extracted to a folder your app cannot access (I think its /data/dalvik-cache). But this is not permanent and android might delete it from time to time and reextract.
Feb 11 13:08:43 <danijoo> and thanks for the small introduction into how java works. ^^'
Feb 11 13:08:56 <danijoo> although this has no meaning here
Feb 11 13:09:01 <nikio_> nice diagram danijoo but that just supports what i was saying
Feb 11 13:09:11 <nikio_> danijoo its how android works
Feb 11 13:09:38 <nikio_> it was from the wiki dalvik article
Feb 11 13:10:27 <Nightwalkerkg> Is there a way to enable material design in pre-Lollipop Android versions ?
Feb 11 13:10:29 <RusAlex> how to import package android.support.v4.widget.DrawerLayout . I build with mvn and it throws the error.
Feb 11 13:10:33 <danijoo> yes but as I said, there is no accessable folder where your programms .dex and whatever files are stored
Feb 11 13:10:46 <nikio_> danijoo ok I see
Feb 11 13:10:55 <RusAlex> I checked platform is 20
Feb 11 13:10:56 <danijoo> afaik they sit in the apk and get extracted on demand
Feb 11 13:11:19 <nikio_> danijoo in the diagram it shows an instal step after the apk is put on the sysem
Feb 11 13:11:22 <nikio_> *system
Feb 11 13:11:32 <Leeds> nikio_: what the fuck are you actually trying to achieve?
Feb 11 13:11:44 <danijoo> not sure if that changed in ART because there is this ART optimisation thingy but in any way: you cannot access these files.
Feb 11 13:12:40 <nikio_> Leeds, nothing, i was curious, and i am poring my application from Windows 7 to Android, now tryin to find a solution so the code will work on both Platforms when compiling.
Feb 11 13:12:52 <nikio_> I am writing it using Qt, a cross platform C++ framework.
Feb 11 13:13:16 <Leeds> oh lord
Feb 11 13:14:19 <danijoo> nikio_, I think the installation mostly creates the folder structure for app cache, app internal storage and stuff. Maybe it also extracts some information and put them into some database (so the system knows there is an installed apk). It might also extract the dex and libraries to *some* location. But whereever this is, you cannot access it
Feb 11 13:14:51 <danijoo> and I *think* its not permanent and might work with the apk instead of extracting it completely on isntall
Feb 11 13:17:20 <nikio_> danijoo, this should work: http://hastebin.com/emizonakoc.coffee
Feb 11 13:18:01 <danijoo> no idea what this does. I only use coffee for drinking
Feb 11 13:19:32 <nikio_> hehe danijoo thats not coffee just an url name, its Qt ; ]
Feb 11 13:19:38 <nikio_> C++
Feb 11 13:19:50 <danijoo> looks ugly
Feb 11 13:19:56 <danijoo> :p
Feb 11 13:20:25 <nikio_> danijoo, why?
Feb 11 13:20:38 <danijoo> I see what this should do but I have no idea where QStandardPaths::GenericDataLocation leads to so I cant tell you if this works
Feb 11 13:20:48 <nikio_> looks normal and readable
Feb 11 13:21:10 <danijoo> normal, readable, ugly Qt code :p
Feb 11 13:21:49 <nikio_> it just logical naming..
Feb 11 13:22:08 <nikio_> and its not Qt syntax
Feb 11 13:22:19 <nikio_> its C++ syntax, Qt is just a framework
Feb 11 13:22:28 <nikio_> so you are saying C++ is ugly : ]
Feb 11 13:22:37 <danijoo> you got it !
Feb 11 13:23:33 <nikio_> i can drink both Java and C++, i guess you are a JAvaist
Feb 11 13:24:08 <danijoo> nikio_, not a javaist. more like an anti-c++-ist
Feb 11 13:25:04 <danijoo> btw just found that great article on how android handles apks and dex files: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-odex-and-deodex-in-android-complete-guide
Feb 11 13:25:31 <tty> on a login activity how can i bind the enter action on IME to the same listerner as the “sign in” button on the layout?
Feb 11 13:25:48 <nikio_> danijoo C++ is  often preferred over all languages in most serious programming exercises, for example, its used extensively in the Mars rover projects, and many other NASA projects. So you should respect it, since it clearly helps humanity get ahead better than most other languages ; ]
Feb 11 13:26:00 <tty> and the same action on IME to move to the next textfield (the password) once ou enter the username
Feb 11 13:26:01 <tty> ?
Feb 11 13:26:01 <shekibobo> does anyone happen to know where TestMenuItem went in Robolectric 3?
Feb 11 13:28:08 <danijoo> nikio_, being the preferred language doesnt make it a more fancy language. Also this whole discussion is based on opinion and therefor meaningless.
Feb 11 13:29:00 <danijoo> But I will definitly look into it when my smartphone is ready for a mars exploration trip.
Feb 11 13:29:23 <nikio_> danijoo, i dont think Nasa bases their language of choice on opinion, but using the scientific method. ; ]
Feb 11 13:30:03 <nikio_> *choses using
Feb 11 13:30:04 <danijoo> nikio_, I meant the opinion that c++ is ugly.
Feb 11 13:30:27 <danijoo> and being performant does not make a language less ugly.
Feb 11 13:30:39 <nikio_> danijoo, heh, sure robots arent supposed to be fancy, just effective in their goa
Feb 11 13:30:40 <nikio_> l
Feb 11 13:30:44 <tty> ok. figured out how to move on to the next field on the form using android:imeOptions="actionNext"
Feb 11 13:30:47 <nikio_> reaching it
Feb 11 13:31:01 <tty> but how can i login using the enter action
Feb 11 13:32:18 <danijoo> nikio_, I sometimes work in an environment where fortran is heavily used (molecular simulations on super computers). Fortran is very performant there too and good for reaching that goal. Still its as ugly as c++
Feb 11 13:32:51 <TacticalJoke> I just switched to AppCompat.  If I use ActionBar with NAVIGATION_MODE_LIST, the spinner drop-down appears on top of the spinner.  If I use Toolbar with a child Spinner, the spinner drop-down appears *underneath* the spinner.
Feb 11 13:33:00 <TacticalJoke> How can I get the drop-down to appear on top of the spinner with Toolbar?
Feb 11 13:33:22 <nikio_> danijoo ok :]
Feb 11 13:33:57 <danijoo> I respect that x++ is really fast and might be the language of choice for some applications. But it just sucks to write code in c++ (opinion!). Java isnt that brilliant, too, but If you ask me, it has its advantages over c++ synthaxwise
Feb 11 13:34:59 <danijoo> x++ = c++ :/
Feb 11 13:38:41 <makani> Isn't it possible to bind to a service within a dialogfragment?
Feb 11 13:39:00 <makani> My onServiceConnected() is never called
Feb 11 13:39:03 <corentin> nikio_: afaik the mars rover project is plain C not C++
Feb 11 13:39:41 <danijoo> makani, services can only be bind to activities, but you can use getActivity() in your dialogfragment
Feb 11 13:40:05 <danijoo> corentin, and I dont think they chose it because its so easy to write bugfree code in C :p
Feb 11 13:40:48 <makani> I did so: http://pastebin.com/Rspq8NCU
Feb 11 13:41:12 <danijoo> but because C runs on everything and hardware targeted
Feb 11 13:44:15 <nikio_> corentin, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SdSKZFoUa8
Feb 11 13:44:33 <nikio_> presentation by https://www-robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/people/Mark_Maimone/
Feb 11 13:46:44 <corentin> nikio_: there is a few bits of c++ in there, but most of the code is ANSI C
Feb 11 13:46:45 <crised> is it possible to make an app to turn the hot spot on automatically, every time the device boots?
Feb 11 13:47:15 <corentin> nikio_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6440798/mars-exploration-rover-programming-language http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/159637/what-is-the-mars-curiosity-rovers-software-built-in
Feb 11 13:47:25 <danijoo> crised, yes, with a broadcast receiver
Feb 11 13:47:36 <danijoo> its android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED
Feb 11 13:48:05 <crised> danijoo: ok...
Feb 11 13:48:19 <crised> is it possible to leave a phone 24/7 connected to work as an access point?
Feb 11 13:48:35 <peyam> hi
Feb 11 13:48:52 <corentin> crised: should be a problem (from a technical point of view)
Feb 11 13:48:56 <corentin> *shoulnd't
Feb 11 13:49:01 <peyam> Im trying to make a sliding menu. but I cant find a simple example anywhere. does sliding menu have an other name?
Feb 11 13:49:02 <crised> corentin: ok
Feb 11 13:49:35 <danijoo> peyam, check DrawerLayout
Feb 11 13:49:53 <nikio_> corentin dont rely too much on stackoverflow, there is a lot of garbage in that link, I know it. Its true that C is used a lot, but a lot of is auto generated.
Feb 11 13:50:17 <crised> danijoo: Does android version plays an important role?
Feb 11 13:50:23 <crised> in this kind of app?
Feb 11 13:50:24 <nikio_> corentin and C++ is almost a superset of C, most of C is also C++
Feb 11 13:52:48 <danijoo> crised, depends on what you are doing
Feb 11 13:53:20 <crised> danijoo: a dedicated cell phone to act as a 3G access point
Feb 11 13:53:58 <corentin> nikio_: Obviously you know nothing about C or C++
Feb 11 13:54:56 <danijoo> crised, versions always play a role. With new versions, there are new apis you can use. You have to find out on your own if what you want to do can be archieved with a given version
Feb 11 13:55:49 <crised> danijoo: ok
Feb 11 13:57:03 <nikio_> i suggest you read up about it corentin
Feb 11 14:04:08 <Makalak> when compiling a kernel, i dont need any modules to compile, so is there a way to disable them?
Feb 11 14:06:25 <danijoo> an android kernel?
Feb 11 14:06:31 <corentin> nikio_: you mean about C?
Feb 11 14:06:48 <Makalak> danijoo: ya...
Feb 11 14:07:44 <danijoo> Makalak, wrong channel then.
Feb 11 14:08:12 <Makalak> danijoo: #android?
Feb 11 14:08:48 * danijoo points to channel topic
Feb 11 14:09:25 <Makalak> i wouldnt consider this a custom rom... but its probably the closest thing to it i guess
Feb 11 14:10:09 <nikio_> corenting the relationship between c and C++
Feb 11 14:10:25 <nikio_> *corentin,
Feb 11 14:12:53 <corentin> nikio_: would you date having this argument on freenode ##c?
Feb 11 14:13:03 <corentin> s/date/dare/
Feb 11 14:13:35 <sci-fi> im facing with a weird problem,i update or create a contact photo for someone,it updates/creates for the first time and everything seems good.After a while it automatically reverts changes
Feb 11 14:19:18 <nikio_> corentin, yep, but its no argument, the fact is that most of C is also valid C++, if you think thats arguable, read up about it on google
Feb 11 14:22:05 <danijoo> nikio_, I think he just wanted to tell you that is is totally off-topic and not related to #android-dev at all :)
Feb 11 14:22:37 <nikio_> yep but he keeps bugging about it, im just responding
Feb 11 14:22:55 <danijoo> you started the bugging, tbh
Feb 11 14:26:11 <nikio_> danijoo nope, u did ; ]
Feb 11 14:26:17 <kraftb> hi !
Feb 11 14:26:23 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/11/most-adorable-bug-raspberry-pi-2-crashes-when-you-take-a-photo-of-it/
Feb 11 14:26:29 <thepoosh> kraftb: !
Feb 11 14:26:38 <kraftb> Does anyone know if the zxing QR code reader (library) is also well suited for generating QR codes?
Feb 11 14:28:22 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.
Feb 11 14:32:14 <thepoosh> kraftb: I'm sure their website will tell you
Feb 11 14:33:08 <TacticalJoke> With Toolbar, how can I set the default 'back' / 'up' icon without using "getSupportActionBar().setHomeAsUpEnabled(true);"?  I want to do this from XML.
Feb 11 14:33:31 <TacticalJoke> It seems that "displayOptions" is ignored even when using setSupportActionBar().
Feb 11 14:33:34 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: you need to declare a parent activity in the manifest
Feb 11 14:33:46 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't make anything show.
Feb 11 14:34:28 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I'd like to be able to use Toolbar.setNavigationIcon, really, but then I need to include two icons: one for light and one for dark.  :/
Feb 11 14:34:53 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: just create one drawable and 2 libs
Feb 11 14:34:58 <thepoosh> folder
Feb 11 14:35:00 <thepoosh> *
Feb 11 14:38:16 <corentin> nikio_: if you did what you suggest me to do you'd know you're wrong
Feb 11 14:38:44 <corentin> nikio_: please come to ##c to explain to the folks there that C++ is a superset of C
Feb 11 14:39:20 <corentin> nikio_: and instead of using google you should read both standards
Feb 11 14:39:32 <Gamodr> corentin: He hasn't said that - he said most C programs can also be compiled using a C++-compiler
Feb 11 14:40:26 <nikio_> corenting I didnt said "is",  I said almost is
Feb 11 14:40:32 <nikio_> * corentin
Feb 11 14:43:21 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I just realised that I can use app:navigationIcon="@drawable/abc_ic_ab_back_mtrl_am_alpha" and it will respect the current theme.  (I was thinking it wouldn't respect the current theme.)
Feb 11 14:43:29 <nikio_> Gamodr, not even that, the few things in C that arent valid C++, make most non trivial programs  in C not compilable in C++ without some modification, as you can read in the first paragraphs here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_of_C_and_C%2B%2B.
Feb 11 14:43:51 <thepoosh> cool!
Feb 11 14:44:01 <tty> i have a button.setOnClickListener where i have a Handler/Runnable where i run LoginInfoAsyncTask to login. where should i place a textEdit.setOnKeyListener to execute login on enter (just like when pressing the button) ?
Feb 11 14:44:09 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: I need an idea for a concept project so I can learn how to use AS
Feb 11 14:44:14 <corentin> Gamodr: nikio_: try to compile this small programm with a c++ compiler: http://pastebin.com/bgyugeVR
Feb 11 14:44:55 <TacticalJoke> A big project or a small project?
Feb 11 14:45:26 <nikio_> corentin why would I? most of C is valid C++, but most projects will contain C that isnt valid C++.. so its likely that your code isnt compilable.
Feb 11 14:46:00 <danijoo> didnt you two want to go to ##c? ^^
Feb 11 14:46:18 <corentin> nikio_: well it compiles fine with a C compiler, but you'll get a syntax error with a c++ compiler
Feb 11 14:46:28 <corentin> danijoo: I'd love to, if you could convince nikio_
Feb 11 14:46:45 <danijoo> just dont anwer him here
Feb 11 14:47:19 <nikio_> ok, the point stands, read the first paragraph, it basically repeats what I wrote.. I see no use of arguing over it since this is common knowledge as you can see in that article. I am not going anywhere, nothing to argue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_of_C_and_C%2B%2B
Feb 11 14:48:06 <Moter8> Hi, I'm trying to follow http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/string-resource.html#StringArray but AndroidStudio gives an error on the line Resources res = getResources();
Feb 11 14:48:19 <corentin> nikio_: it's interesting you post that link. Obiously you haven't read the content "However, due to minor semantic differences, most non-trivial C programs will not compile as C++ code without modification — C++ is not a superset of C."
Feb 11 14:48:24 <Moter8> I imported the Resources thing, still the same
Feb 11 14:48:43 <TacticalJoke> Where are you calling "getResources()"?
Feb 11 14:48:59 <Moter8> just as on the example
Feb 11 14:49:03 <TacticalJoke> In which class?
Feb 11 14:49:11 <danijoo> getResources() isnt a magic method that can be used from everywhere
Feb 11 14:49:17 <Moter8> not in the main activity
Feb 11 14:49:24 <Moter8> is that the reason it doesnt work?
Feb 11 14:49:33 <danijoo> its a method from context and needs to be called on an object that inherit context (like activity)
Feb 11 14:49:34 <nikio_> corentin and when ever did I say something that is to the contrary of that? I said exacty that.. most c is valid c++ (read minor semantic differences), making c++ ALMOST a superset of C. .. maybe you need glasses, or a lesson in semantics?
Feb 11 14:50:11 <corentin> nikio_: Ok I give up, keep your wrong ideas about C and C++ if you like
Feb 11 14:50:23 <nikio_> obviou troll is obviou
Feb 11 14:50:32 <nikio_> +s * 2
Feb 11 14:50:39 * danijoo thinks nikio_ needs a lesson in behaviour.
Feb 11 14:51:20 <nikio_> excuse me?
Feb 11 14:51:27 <danijoo> you're excused.
Feb 11 14:51:44 <thepoosh> well, this is awkward
Feb 11 14:51:46 <thepoosh> :S
Feb 11 14:51:49 <danijoo> ^^
Feb 11 14:51:50 <Moter8> https://gist.github.com/Moter8/b7b066be840c7d1c9612 is the file's content
Feb 11 14:52:22 <shekibobo> anyone familiar with appcompat and color theming?
Feb 11 14:52:31 <Moter8> non-static method getResources() can not be referenced from a static context?
Feb 11 14:52:38 <danijoo> Moter8, did you learn java before using android?
Feb 11 14:52:48 <thepoosh> Moter8: you have an issue there
Feb 11 14:52:51 <thepoosh> 2 actually
Feb 11 14:52:54 <Moter8> just a bit :(
Feb 11 14:53:08 <danijoo> thats the problem :)
Feb 11 14:53:09 <nikio_> danijoo keep words like that to yourself
Feb 11 14:53:10 <Moter8> I do not know what the static stuff means though
Feb 11 14:53:17 <thepoosh> 1. getResources needs an instance in order for you to call it
Feb 11 14:53:26 <TacticalJoke> Moter8:  You'd have to call getResources() elsewhere and pass either the resources or the string[] to your object.
Feb 11 14:53:28 <thepoosh> 2. you'll have an ArrayIndexOutOfBounds
Feb 11 14:53:34 <danijoo> nikio_, bad words like "behaviour"? ^^
Feb 11 14:53:35 <shekibobo> I'm wondering how to set color on EditText. Rigth now it seems like it's pulling it from android:textColorPrimary, which is the same color (I think) that the actionbar uses for text
Feb 11 14:53:51 <thepoosh> you can always do some sort of getApplicationContext.getResources()
Feb 11 14:53:52 <nikio_> danijoo know words that are insulting to others
Feb 11 14:54:12 <nikio_> im done here, will be back , im sure there are good people here too
Feb 11 14:54:20 <TacticalJoke> BTW, it might be risky if you end up calling your app "FactBook".
Feb 11 14:54:21 <shekibobo> this seems a bit off to me, since EditText (I would think) would usually have a very light background, while the actionbar usually has a dark background
Feb 11 14:54:22 <TacticalJoke> Legally.
Feb 11 14:54:24 <danijoo> wtf.
Feb 11 14:54:31 <Moter8> no, it's not called that
Feb 11 14:54:35 <danijoo> well. as he said. Obvious troll is obvious..
Feb 11 14:54:41 <corentin> danijoo: thanks :)
Feb 11 14:55:16 <danijoo> too bad im not here later on :D
Feb 11 14:55:24 <Moter8> https://github.com/Moter8/FunFacts/blob/master/app/src/main/java/pw/moter8/funfacts/FunMainActivity.java#L29
Feb 11 14:55:40 <Moter8> I just extracted that call to another class
Feb 11 14:56:07 <Moter8> if the string array is declared in the FactBook class it works fine
Feb 11 14:57:18 <TacticalJoke> Moter8:  Like I said, you can't call Context.getResources just anywhere.
Feb 11 14:57:32 <TacticalJoke> Call it somewhere and pass it to your FactBook instance.
Feb 11 14:57:33 <thepoosh> Moter8: so either have a constructor that gets a context or pass a context to this method
Feb 11 14:57:37 <TacticalJoke> Pass either Resources or the string array.
Feb 11 14:57:47 <thepoosh> or context
Feb 11 14:57:49 <TacticalJoke> The latter is probably more sensible.
Feb 11 14:57:55 <TacticalJoke> Ya.
Feb 11 14:58:11 * Moter8 is confused
Feb 11 14:58:43 <thepoosh> Moter8: Context is a way for the application (or classes) to get access to many things.
Feb 11 14:58:54 <thepoosh> you are trying to get things that require context without having it
Feb 11 14:59:00 <thepoosh> and that is not going to work
Feb 11 14:59:13 <thepoosh> so either pass a context to this method/class or pass the array
Feb 11 14:59:36 <thepoosh> it seems like this class shouldn't be at all
Feb 11 14:59:36 <adq> wait
Feb 11 14:59:38 <adq> https://github.com/Moter8/FunFacts/blob/master/app/src/main/java/pw/moter8/funfacts/FactBook.java
Feb 11 14:59:39 <thepoosh> it's very small
Feb 11 14:59:45 <adq> he is not using an xml string array
Feb 11 14:59:55 <adq> he does not need getResources
Feb 11 15:00:00 <thepoosh> adq: that is bad
Feb 11 15:00:08 <thepoosh> no way to localise
Feb 11 15:00:16 <adq> that's another story :)
Feb 11 15:00:19 <Moter8> (the files are outdated)
Feb 11 15:00:19 <TacticalJoke> I guess he moved from that to resources.
Feb 11 15:00:25 <adq> ahhhh ok sorry
Feb 11 15:00:25 <Moter8> yyes
Feb 11 15:00:29 <Moter8> I want to do exactly that!
Feb 11 15:00:34 <thepoosh> omg
Feb 11 15:00:37 <thepoosh> please don't
Feb 11 15:00:37 <Moter8> to being able to do different languages
Feb 11 15:00:43 <thepoosh> oh
Feb 11 15:00:44 <thepoosh> ok
Feb 11 15:00:54 <thepoosh> anyway, you need to pass context to getFact
Feb 11 15:01:00 <adq> Moter8, everything has been already said if so, getResource need a valid app context to retrieve your xml array
Feb 11 15:01:02 <thepoosh> and use it to get the stringArray
Feb 11 15:02:14 <TacticalJoke> I think I'd be tempted to pass the actual array.
Feb 11 15:02:32 <TacticalJoke> Although it is true, as you say, that currently the class isn't doing much.
Feb 11 15:02:47 <adq> i was so tired of this context thingy on some project that I'm using the App.getContext() trick
Feb 11 15:03:15 <danijoo> adq, Im abusing this a lot, too :p
Feb 11 15:03:24 <adq> it reduced drastically the coupling
Feb 11 15:03:29 <danijoo> yeah
Feb 11 15:03:49 <adq> for context leaking idk if it is worst or better than passing a context as param
Feb 11 15:03:56 <adq> i think it cannot be worst
Feb 11 15:03:58 <thepoosh> adq: Context should be used correctly
Feb 11 15:03:59 <TacticalJoke> I don't understand this: app:navigationIcon="@drawable/abc_ic_ab_back_mtrl_am_alpha"  The drawables all have a white arrow, and yet this arrow looks black(ish) when the theme is Light (as intended).
Feb 11 15:04:03 <TacticalJoke> How does it look black(ish)?
Feb 11 15:04:12 <thepoosh> and application context should be used unless activity/service context is needed
Feb 11 15:04:13 <TacticalJoke> There's not a single drawable there with a black arrow.
Feb 11 15:04:17 <danijoo> if the stuff you do is something like getting string resources, there is no context leaking
Feb 11 15:04:22 <adq> thepoosh, right!
Feb 11 15:04:22 <danijoo> or preferences.
Feb 11 15:04:35 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: http://androiddrawables.com/
Feb 11 15:06:02 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  That doesn't appear to have it.
Feb 11 15:06:11 <TacticalJoke> Does Android do some weird drawable magic that turns a white arrow into a black one?
Feb 11 15:06:41 <TacticalJoke> There must be something simple I'm overlooking here.
Feb 11 15:07:38 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: I think the arrow thingie is not an icon but an xml drawable
Feb 11 15:07:43 <thepoosh> and that there are 2 of them
Feb 11 15:07:50 <thepoosh> i even seem to remember seeing that
Feb 11 15:08:06 <thepoosh> meaning it has a style that references the system style
Feb 11 15:08:14 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, all I'm seeing is PNG images here.
Feb 11 15:08:18 <TacticalJoke> In the v7 library.
Feb 11 15:08:23 <TacticalJoke> For that resource, anyway.
Feb 11 15:09:49 <TacticalJoke> It doesn't seem to be PNG magic: if I set the Toolbar background to white then the arrow becomes mainly invisible.
Feb 11 15:10:01 <TacticalJoke> It's only if I change the theme to AppCompat.Light that it shows the dark arrow.
Feb 11 15:10:39 <Moter8> I think i managed to get it working now
Feb 11 15:11:00 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: abc_cab_background_top_material.xml
Feb 11 15:11:57 <Moter8> NPE D:
Feb 11 15:12:04 <thepoosh> logcat
Feb 11 15:12:17 <TacticalJoke> I just realised that I can use this:  app:navigationIcon="?homeAsUpIndicator"
Feb 11 15:12:26 <TacticalJoke> I wish they actually documented stuff.  :/
Feb 11 15:12:33 <TacticalJoke> Figuring this stuff out by reading source code.
Feb 11 15:12:34 <thepoosh> :S
Feb 11 15:12:45 <thepoosh> TacticalJoke: now is the time to write a blog post
Feb 11 15:12:48 <adq> lol
Feb 11 15:12:48 <thepoosh> for the rest of us!
Feb 11 15:13:07 <thepoosh> i had to do the same thing to find out the system limitations of sending SMS messages
Feb 11 15:13:30 <TacticalJoke> Let's see if anyone mentions it in Google...
Feb 11 15:14:41 <TacticalJoke> Okay, to be fair, it is kind of documented here:  http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html
Feb 11 15:14:57 <TacticalJoke> But you'd find it on that page only by trial and error, pretty much.
Feb 11 15:15:09 <TacticalJoke> "Specifies a drawable to use for the 'home as up' indicator."
Feb 11 15:15:17 <thepoosh> such a cry baby
Feb 11 15:15:28 <TacticalJoke> This person mentions it: http://blog.crux.io/toolbar-in-preferenceactivity/
Feb 11 15:16:46 <TacticalJoke> Actually, what I said about its being documented is wrong, because that's ?android:attr/homeAsUpIndicator, not the v7 one.
Feb 11 15:16:49 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  Who?
Feb 11 15:16:54 <thepoosh> you!
Feb 11 15:17:35 <TacticalJoke> ?
Feb 11 15:18:04 <Moter8> hm still nothing
Feb 11 15:18:10 <pfn> neat, someone is effectively using multi dex with google play services and scala on a large project
Feb 11 15:18:23 <thepoosh> pfn: cool!
Feb 11 15:18:27 <TacticalJoke> thepoosh:  I don't think trying to figure stuff out is being a cry-baby.
Feb 11 15:18:30 <thepoosh> Moter8: source and or logcat
Feb 11 15:18:48 <thepoosh> i'm too cool to say i'm wrong
Feb 11 15:20:37 <patrick91_> hey, how can I create multiple sync adapters for one app?
Feb 11 15:21:16 <Moter8> https://github.com/Moter8/FunFacts/tree/master/app/src/main/java/pw/moter8/funfacts |  java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{pw.moter8.funfacts/pw.moter8.funfacts.FunMainActivity}: java.lang.NullPointerException
Feb 11 15:22:32 <Moter8> probably messed up something very badly
Feb 11 15:23:02 <Moter8> crashes at the getResources line
Feb 11 15:23:04 <TacticalJoke> Moter8:  I'm not sure that you can call getResources before onCreate like that.
Feb 11 15:23:25 <TacticalJoke> Field initializers run before methods such as Activity.onCreate.
Feb 11 15:23:50 <thana> hi
Feb 11 15:24:00 <thana> i want to implement a custom Preference class
Feb 11 15:24:09 <Moter8> still nothing after moving it to the bottom
Feb 11 15:24:13 <TacticalJoke> Try moving "mFacts = getResources().getStringArray(R.array.myFactBook);" to onCreate and see what happens.
Feb 11 15:24:13 <Moter8> ehh ill look for some video
Feb 11 15:24:16 <TacticalJoke> The bottom of what?
Feb 11 15:24:21 <Moter8> the class
Feb 11 15:24:25 <alexfu> Moter8: whats the exact stack trace?
Feb 11 15:24:25 <TacticalJoke> That doesn't fix it.
Feb 11 15:24:32 <thana> but i cant figure out how i would customize how its rendered inside the PreferenceFragment
Feb 11 15:24:37 <Moter8> https://gist.github.com/Moter8/c282894052eab3a97b63
Feb 11 15:25:00 <alexfu> Moter8: yeah you need to defer the getResources() call to inside onCreate
Feb 11 15:25:57 <Moter8> yay it works :D
Feb 11 15:26:10 <Moter8> thanks guys
Feb 11 15:26:16 <Moter8> this java stuff is so strange to me
Feb 11 15:27:02 <TacticalJoke> The last problem was Android-specific, not Java-specific.
Feb 11 15:27:07 <TacticalJoke> Although Java stuff was related.
Feb 11 15:27:21 <dragorn> Moter8: less java, more lifecycle - you can't get your resources until you're created
Feb 11 15:31:01 <Moter8> lol, the spanish language is represented with an USA flag
Feb 11 15:32:54 <danijoo> Moter8, in AS?
Feb 11 15:32:54 <theblang> The back-end server we are using will completely become unresponsive after X requests from Retrofit.  We can't reproduce the problem with Advanced REST Client (Chrome plugin).  Now, this is definitely a critical error with our server, which is being looked into.  But what do yall think could be different between the requests that Retrofit sends and the ones that the chrome plugin send?
Feb 11 15:33:03 <john67> hello
Feb 11 15:33:18 <Moter8> danijoo, yep, rather confusing
Feb 11 15:33:34 <pfn> theblang, log the requests and diff thrm
Feb 11 15:33:44 <danijoo> Moter8, no. http://prntscr.com/63su5c
Feb 11 15:34:00 <theblang> pfn with wireshark maybe?
Feb 11 15:34:03 <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/wAQ1REl.png
Feb 11 15:34:33 <danijoo> Moter8, no idea how you did this ^^'
Feb 11 15:34:38 <Moter8> haha
Feb 11 15:34:41 <danijoo> maybe its a bug in the version you are using :)
Feb 11 15:34:44 <Moter8> 1.1 beta 4
Feb 11 15:37:55 <Moter8> and the translation editor is bugged too. http://i.imgur.com/HUgfbJm.png
Feb 11 15:38:41 <danijoo> The correct translation for "Hello World" is not "Willkommen" :pp
Feb 11 15:39:23 <Moter8> Yeeahhh
Feb 11 15:39:30 <Moter8> it's not exactly spanish either
Feb 11 15:39:36 <danijoo> ^^
Feb 11 15:39:38 <Moter8> (which I entered)
Feb 11 15:42:34 <nikio_> ok so  I found a list of locations I could use in Android to copy a runnable binary to from my apps resources, which should I chose? http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstandardpaths.html
Feb 11 15:42:43 <nikio_> I chose RunTimeLocation
Feb 11 15:42:48 <nikio_> <APPROOT>/cache"
Feb 11 15:43:15 <danijoo> the missbehaviorer again! Welcome back my friend!
Feb 11 15:46:35 <danijoo> nikio_, good choice! just be aware that android might think you use too many space and delete your files at any time
Feb 11 15:48:01 <nikio_> danijoo, it doesnt seem to be executable
Feb 11 15:48:20 <nikio_> danijoo, I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13693635
Feb 11 15:48:59 <danijoo> nikio_, you can do this only on rooted devices
Feb 11 15:49:30 <nikio_> danijoo so what can I do?
Feb 11 15:49:47 <nikio_> where can i copy a file  from my resources and set its permission to executable
Feb 11 15:50:27 <h4k1m> hi there
Feb 11 15:50:35 <danijoo> i dont know :)
Feb 11 15:50:47 <danijoo> that is something you usually just dont do at all ^^
Feb 11 15:50:53 <h4k1m> does anyone know the library that is used for signature in evernote android app?
Feb 11 15:51:13 <danijoo> h4k1m, maybe its not a library at all
Feb 11 15:51:18 <danijoo> and written by evernote
Feb 11 15:51:37 <h4k1m> danijoo: you could be right
Feb 11 15:51:48 <nikio_> danijoo http://stackoverflow.com/a/6998956
Feb 11 15:51:54 <nikio_> they dont mention having to be root
Feb 11 15:52:15 <danijoo> good luck
Feb 11 15:53:05 <danijoo> im not a fan of doing think like that so im not really interested.
Feb 11 15:53:10 <danijoo> things*
Feb 11 16:01:15 <nikio_> danijoo its not a matter of being a fan, there is no other way to do it
Feb 11 16:02:10 <danijoo> dont know. You didnt really said what you want to do. You only tried tried to convince people from c++ last time you were here
Feb 11 16:02:15 <danijoo> what do you want to do?
Feb 11 16:03:40 <xgearx> Hello! Can anyone help with Clide library?
Feb 11 16:03:45 <xgearx> *Glide
Feb 11 16:03:49 <xgearx> image loader
Feb 11 16:04:06 <xgearx> I have bitmap and want add it to cache
Feb 11 16:04:27 <xgearx> how i can do it?
Feb 11 16:05:03 <kraftb> Hi !
Feb 11 16:05:27 <nikio_> danijoo i wanna put chess engines which are in my resources to the storage, so my chess GUI can use them to play s each other
Feb 11 16:05:28 <kraftb> I have created an android app using android studio.
Feb 11 16:05:35 <nikio_> *vs
Feb 11 16:05:49 <pablq> good morning
Feb 11 16:05:51 <kraftb> The whole thing should consist of two independent apps - sharinga  common codebase
Feb 11 16:06:04 <kraftb> whats the best point to split in the code tree?
Feb 11 16:06:37 <msoa> Hi there, with "Android System Recovery" i make and backup from my phone named "userdata.backup". How can i it extract on my computer?
Feb 11 16:06:42 <kraftb> directly in the "src/" directory where "main/AndroidManifest.xml" is located?
Feb 11 16:08:27 <Nightwalkerkg> I tried applying a custom background for the action bar, but the app keeps crashing when i try to run it : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0AMdALzB
Feb 11 16:09:40 <Leeds> Nightwalkerkg: should I ask the obvious question?
Feb 11 16:09:57 <Nightwalkerkg> Leeds: Yes ? xD
Feb 11 16:10:26 <Leeds> are you "us[ing] a Theme.AppCompat theme (or descendant) with this activity"?
Feb 11 16:10:34 <Odaym> sup guys
Feb 11 16:11:10 <Odaym> I've been facing a dilemma lately. You see there's my app which is under development, meaning that I sometimes want to uninstall and install again to test some code or whatever the case may be
Feb 11 16:11:15 <Nightwalkerkg> Leeds: Nope, becase with it the action bar bg won't change. :D
Feb 11 16:11:18 <Nightwalkerkg> *because
Feb 11 16:11:39 <Odaym> now in my case, I'm using the app everyday and I need the data in it, is there an easy way to branch out into a PROD app and a DEV app that I can keep simultaneously on the phone?
Feb 11 16:12:14 <danijoo> Odaym, you can change the packagename for the debug version. Then you can install productio and debug side-by-side
Feb 11 16:12:16 <Odaym> I mean cause changing the package name is the only way I'd be able to get 2 copies of the same app on my phone, but doing that will make me change the package name in all files
Feb 11 16:12:40 <SimonVT> Gradle has applicationIdSuffix that does this
Feb 11 16:12:54 <Odaym> ok let me check
Feb 11 16:13:13 <danijoo> Odaym, http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/applicationid-vs-packagename
Feb 11 16:14:37 <slani> hello, why integer can't be a velue in ListPreference?
Feb 11 16:14:37 <Odaym> yea that's it
Feb 11 16:15:18 <pfn> yeah, setting alternative packageName is the way to do it
Feb 11 16:15:26 <pfn> app id, whatever
Feb 11 16:19:31 <wmoran> I'm having a problem when I apply buttonStyle in my Theme, the button's onClick no longer work -- the problem seems to happen no matter what them I use as a parent ... anyone familiar with this issue?
Feb 11 16:20:26 <pfn> that doesn't happen
Feb 11 16:20:39 <pfn> unless your style has your button disabled
Feb 11 16:22:23 <wmoran> pfn well ... it' kinda does happen ... I'm seeing it happen ...
Feb 11 16:22:25 <Odaym> so it will know which to go with depending on how the APK is signed
Feb 11 16:22:33 <pfn> wmoran, like I said,your style is disabling the button
Feb 11 16:22:34 <nikio_> danijoo, i think it will work: http://stackoverflow.com/a/6803287
Feb 11 16:22:40 <Odaym> if I chose to export signed, it will go to release object, otherwise to debug object
Feb 11 16:22:53 <Odaym> yea that worked, I have 2 of the app now
Feb 11 16:23:04 <nikio_> non rooted
Feb 11 16:23:18 <wmoran> pfn, what tag would cause that? All I'm changing is visual stuff: padding, background color
Feb 11 16:23:31 <pfn> I dunno what tags you're setting
Feb 11 16:24:27 <wmoran> does android:background _have_ to be a state select for the button to work? I only have it referencig an XML with a shape in it
Feb 11 16:25:38 <Odaym> ok while we're on that note, DBhandlers man, DBHandlers..
Feb 11 16:26:07 <Odaym> I write code in onCreate of my DBHelper class to initialize something in the DB and I do db.close() at the end of that initialiser function
Feb 11 16:26:21 <Odaym> next I query for all objects from DB, I get that it can't open an already closed database
Feb 11 16:26:32 <Odaym> why...it's close and then open and then close and then open, etc....
Feb 11 16:26:41 <Odaym> why would they even conflict
Feb 11 16:27:19 <wmoran> Odaym, I don't recommend ever closing SQLite ... but I think if you want to close it, you'll need to create a new DBHelper instance
Feb 11 16:27:33 <Odaym> usually I don't close it
Feb 11 16:27:41 <wmoran> Because if you reuse the same DBHandler instance, you get that error
Feb 11 16:27:45 <Odaym> but then you get exceptions that you should close the db if you're done with it
Feb 11 16:28:06 <wmoran> You sort of have to pick one method or the other ... not both
Feb 11 16:28:33 <wmoran> I've had the best luck by leaving it open, and having a singleton from which to fetch the current DBHandler
Feb 11 16:28:33 <Odaym> yea, I dont want to keep it open
Feb 11 16:28:45 <Odaym> doesnt the singleton have to extend SQLiteOpenHelper?
Feb 11 16:28:49 <shekibobo> is there a way with robolectric/junit to report the slowest tests at the end of a run?
Feb 11 16:29:03 <wmoran> Odaym, why are you so concerned about leaving it open? It's just a file.
Feb 11 16:29:21 <pfn> wmoran, button background doesn't have to be a state list, but it should be if you want to see it visually change
Feb 11 16:29:25 <Odaym> I have a production app that never closes it, but I just want to know
Feb 11 16:29:48 <wmoran> With the singleton, you just need to make sure that it's always using the same DBHandler object, and never close the DB.
Feb 11 16:30:23 <wmoran> pfn, I have it set like that because the designers gave me a static mockup to work from, with no information on what should happen when it's tapped.
Feb 11 16:30:41 <wmoran> I figured I'll give them what they asked for, then I'll change it when they realize what they forgot to tell me ;)
Feb 11 16:31:26 <wmoran> However, the entire app becomes unusable when none of the button work ... so not working out so well so far
Feb 11 16:31:35 <Moter8> Uh, can I (multi-line) comment in resources files?
Feb 11 16:32:17 <SimonVT> Just use standard xml comments
Feb 11 16:32:21 <wmoran> If I remove buttonStyle from the style and explicitly set style="" in each button, it works fine ... so I'm even more lost as to what's wrong
Feb 11 16:32:47 <wmoran> Setting style="" for every button is really clunky ... hardly makes it worth having a top-level style if it doesn't work anyway.
Feb 11 16:32:48 <Moter8> ooh thanks, SimonVT
Feb 11 16:34:00 <shekibobo> has anyone else upgrade to robolectric 3.0 and seen about a 400% increase in testing time?
Feb 11 16:37:13 <wmoran> I guess my question: does buttonStyle work? Anyone out there have it working?
Feb 11 16:48:33 <_genuser_> SimonVT: eh, I found yer blogz again. and verified you dislike those asynctasks. :p
Feb 11 16:49:11 <_genuser_> looking at both, I think IntentService and AsynTask both are fine.
Feb 11 16:50:24 <_genuser_> I was just thrown off when you said you didn't dislike them and I thought I remember you saying so.
Feb 11 16:50:57 <SimonVT> I don't dislike them
Feb 11 16:55:20 <wmoran> pfn, forgot to mention ... it works if I run on Lolipop ... doesn't work on Kitkat
Feb 11 17:00:10 <yiati> If anyone has come across the bug in AS for dragging files across splits with the receiving side being an xml file, and it not working, I opened a ticket.
Feb 11 17:00:13 <yiati> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=145573&thanks=145573&ts=1423673768
Feb 11 17:00:24 <yiati> Star it if you've had it happen
Feb 11 17:02:28 <theblang> I have done a wireshark capture for POST requests sent from Retrofit, and POST requests sent from a chrome plugin.  When using Retrofit, after a certain amount of requests our back-end locks up completely.  This does not happen no matter how many and how fast requests are sent from the chrome plugin.  This is obviously a major issue with our server, which we are looking into, but I am trying to figure out what is different, as this migh
Feb 11 17:02:28 <theblang> t help us figure out the problem.
Feb 11 17:02:58 <theblang> There are some different headers, but nothing that seemed like it woudl cause the problem.  Is there anything else to look at?
Feb 11 17:03:33 <osxorgate> i'd look at the server logs first
Feb 11 17:03:36 <drinfernoo> yup, I like AndroIRC more than irccloud
Feb 11 17:03:40 <osxorgate> obviously it should not hang
Feb 11 17:03:42 <drinfernoo> I gave it a shot though
Feb 11 17:03:54 <theblang> osxorgate: Yeah, definitely a problem with server.  But the chrome plugin doesn't cause it.
Feb 11 17:04:01 <groxx> theblang: it's probably something you can diagnose better from the server, but: maybe it's keeping sockets open longer, eating up available server instances?
Feb 11 17:04:15 <osxorgate> theblang: still, the server should give an indication why it fails
Feb 11 17:04:48 <theblang> osxorgate: yeah, for sure.  Our back-end guy is looking into it, was just trying to find all differences from the request sending on the front-end that could maybe give any clue.
Feb 11 17:05:25 <theblang> groxx Yeah, but wouldn't that be determined by the headers sent in the HTTP request?
Feb 11 17:06:15 <kraftb> I need to create two apps which share some common code. Right now one app already exists. How would you continue? Move out all shared code to a library project?
Feb 11 17:08:36 <wmoran> theblang, did you check to see if the keepalive setting is the same on both clients?
Feb 11 17:09:05 <wmoran> theblang, i.e. are the sockets actually closed or does the client keep them open once the request is complete?
Feb 11 17:09:08 <theblang> wmoran: yeah, that was the first header I checked.  Both have header "Connection: Keep-Alive"
Feb 11 17:09:33 <wmoran> Yeah, but does the client actually keep them alive or does it FIN?
Feb 11 17:10:18 <wmoran> HTTP Keep-Alive doesn't affect the TCP stuff, it just informs the server to expect a certain behavior ... the client still has a lot of leeway in what it can do.
Feb 11 17:10:47 <Napalm> theblang: wmoran is correct
Feb 11 17:11:29 <Napalm> theblang: what you talking about anyway?
Feb 11 17:11:58 <wmoran> Perhaps the one only keeps the connection open if it immediately has another request, whereas the other keeps the conneciton open for an indefinite period ... that could tie up sockets on the server and make the server appear to be "locked up"
Feb 11 17:12:35 <theblang> Napalm: We have a major issue with our back-end server.  A certain amount of requests to a particular web-service will cause the server to just hang up.  The interesting part is, I can't reproduce with a chrome plugin (Advanced REST Client)
Feb 11 17:13:05 <wmoran> Are you asking here because the client that causes the problem is an Android app?
Feb 11 17:13:23 <theblang> wmoran, Napalm: Hmm, how could I check that?
Feb 11 17:13:25 <Napalm> theblang: you wont
Feb 11 17:13:35 <theblang> wmoran: Yeah, using Retrofit in Android
Feb 11 17:13:35 <Napalm> theblang: all the browser rest clients use the browser request mech
Feb 11 17:13:51 <theblang> Napalm: what is that?
Feb 11 17:14:04 <wmoran> theblang, you said you had wireshark captures ... see if the connections are closing
Feb 11 17:14:06 <Napalm> theblang: sec, am finding you a great test tool
Feb 11 17:14:33 <wmoran> Also, you don't mention what your server is running, but there should be some way to interrogate it about how many connections are open and what the max connection backlog is
Feb 11 17:14:47 <wmoran> hell, if it's worth a shit, it should log something if the connection backlog fills up
Feb 11 17:14:59 <theblang> wmoran: roger that, about to go try that with our back-end guy.
Feb 11 17:15:27 <Napalm> theblang: http://jmeter.apache.org/
Feb 11 17:20:00 <TacticalJoke> Using AppCompat:  If I use ActionBar and list navigation (to get a spinner), the spinner dropdown opens on top of the spinner.  If I use Toolbar with a child spinner, the dropdown opens beneath the spinner.
Feb 11 17:20:09 <TacticalJoke> How can I get the dropdown to open on top of the spinner with Toolbar?
Feb 11 17:25:17 <Napalm> TacticalJoke: https://plus.google.com/+NicolasPomepuy/posts/GHk9fAZfDT4
Feb 11 17:27:44 <shekibobo> Robolectric 3.0-SNAPSHOT: Total time: 23 mins 19.837 secs; Robolectric 2.4: Total time: 8 mins 30.037 secs; 694 tests
Feb 11 17:27:47 <Pitel> Hi, I am using vectordrawable on large imagebutton with scaleType="center" and it appears blured. How to make it look sharp? its VECTORdrawable, ffs. :)
Feb 11 17:28:49 <shekibobo> this is kind of insane
Feb 11 17:29:16 <pablq> heya folks. anyone know a good way to adjust a TableAdapter cell layout dynamically? currently it is a linearlayout with three children, an OPTIONAL image, another linearlayout with just text, and a mandatory image. they are all present in the layout.xml. what i want to do is in that case that there is no image available, to remove that view and let the text filled linear layout takes its space.
Feb 11 17:29:20 <TacticalJoke> Napalm:  Hmm, can't get that working.  I'm guessing that works only on 21+?
Feb 11 17:29:28 <TacticalJoke> (Since he talks about applying it to values-v21.
Feb 11 17:29:46 <pablq> would it be a good idea to remove that optional imageview from the layout.xml to start? that way i would only generate it programmatically.
Feb 11 17:31:11 <Napalm> TacticalJoke: you can assign an anchor view and offset to a PopupWindow.. i expect theres a bug somewhere or something.
Feb 11 17:32:45 <TacticalJoke> I can't set android:overlapAnchor because I'm pre-21.  Setting android:overlapAnchor compiles and runs, but it doesn't seem to solve this problem.
Feb 11 17:33:07 <TacticalJoke> I mean "Setting overlapAnchor compiles...".
Feb 11 17:33:14 <TacticalJoke> (Remvoing the 'android:'.)
Feb 11 17:33:53 <TacticalJoke> It's weird because ActionBar does the right thing.  But then using ActionBar with a spinner is deprecated.  :/
Feb 11 17:34:04 <Jabberwock> Hello. Anyone have a citation on the last version of Android to not support TLS 1.2 by default?
Feb 11 17:34:50 <TacticalJoke> Another thing I wonder about: if I'm not using setSupportActionBar(Toolbar) and I'm using a stand-alone Toolbar, how can I get the equivalent of getSupportActionBar().getThemedContext()?
Feb 11 17:35:18 <TacticalJoke> Seems a bit weird if we can't get the theme thing if we're using a Toolbar on its own.
Feb 11 17:39:30 <Pitel> here are more details about my vecotrdrawable problem: http://stackoverflow.com/q/28460806/946409
Feb 11 17:40:42 <SimonVT> TacticalJoke: Just getContext
Feb 11 17:41:25 <TacticalJoke> SimonVT:  If I do that, the "app:theme" thing applied to the Toolbar is just ignored.
Feb 11 17:41:32 <nikio_> danijoo, or someone, so i am sure now that the binary has executable permissions yet, it doesnt seem to work when i try to run it from within my app... does my app perhaps need to ask permission for it?
Feb 11 17:42:34 <SimonVT> That's doubtful, it passes a ContextThemeWrapper to the parent
Feb 11 17:43:15 <adq> Pitel, did you try to put your drawable in drawable-nopdi ?
Feb 11 17:43:21 <adq> oopsie, drawable-nodpi
Feb 11 17:43:25 * RusAlex tired to sort import problem today
Feb 11 17:45:04 <Pitel> adq: no, will try...
Feb 11 17:45:16 <Pitel> adq: nope, still ugly :(
Feb 11 17:45:20 <adq> :/
Feb 11 17:46:20 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys. I have some dynamically created views in my activity. I want to save their state (position, content etc.) on screen rotation. I found out that for such View objects onSaveInstanceState() method is not called. Why that might happen and what is the right way to save\store customly created View objects and restore them on screen rotation?
Feb 11 17:48:23 <TacticalJoke> SimonVT:  Oops, you're right.  I misread.  Thanks!
Feb 11 17:49:04 <Ashiren> view shouldnt be persistent during screen rotation
Feb 11 17:49:18 <Ashiren> more like - what do they represent
Feb 11 17:49:30 <lasserix> Can navigation menu be used with different activities instead of different fragments?
Feb 11 17:49:35 <Ashiren> if you want to preserve the text of textView, you preserve the String
Feb 11 17:49:53 <Ashiren> not the textView
Feb 11 17:50:05 <SimonVT> State isn't saved for views without id's
Feb 11 17:50:21 <Ashiren> also this
Feb 11 17:50:49 <TacticalJoke> One thing I can't figure out is why setting a Toolbar's navigation icon to @drawable/abc_ic_ab_back_mtrl_am_alpha shows a dark arrow in the light thing.  It's just a bunch of images with a white arrow.  Is Android drawing over the image at run time with respect to the theme?
Feb 11 17:50:58 <TacticalJoke> s/light thing/light theme/
Feb 11 17:51:25 <maycoll> hi guys, sorry by my poor english. But is possible send command to windows api by usb. Ex: send keyboard events
Feb 11 17:52:36 <TacticalJoke> I thought maybe it was drawing over it with textColorPrimary, but I seem unable to set textColorPrimary with v7.
Feb 11 17:53:31 <SimonVT> Yes, that's the L way
Feb 11 17:53:55 <TacticalJoke> I see.
Feb 11 17:54:49 <AlexBerdnikov> Ashiren, SimonVT my views have IDs and I save not oly textviews, I also have some views with a randomly added drawings (drawn on Canvas) and ImageViews.
Feb 11 18:00:55 <RusAlex> why android sdk so heavy ?
Feb 11 18:01:03 <RusAlex> it's 23Gb now
Feb 11 18:01:11 <pfn> it's not 23gb
Feb 11 18:01:13 <RusAlex> Do not think I need all this stuf
Feb 11 18:01:16 <RusAlex> stuff
Feb 11 18:01:17 <danijoo> RusAlex, what did you install? everything? XD
Feb 11 18:01:31 <RusAlex> danijoo: yes, Im also interested what is installed there
Feb 11 18:01:32 <dragorn> because there's a lot of releases and devices.  If you don't need emulator images for every point release and every processor flavor, don't install those
Feb 11 18:01:33 <pfn> don't install sources and samples and docs redundantly
Feb 11 18:01:39 <dragorn> and that
Feb 11 18:01:39 <pfn> and don't install every emulator image
Feb 11 18:01:55 <RusAlex> I need sources
Feb 11 18:02:00 <pfn> no you don't...
Feb 11 18:02:05 <pfn> can always refer on aosp
Feb 11 18:02:05 <RusAlex> to read documentation from source file
Feb 11 18:02:14 <pfn> and android studio has documentation inline
Feb 11 18:02:19 <pfn> just use quick-doc
Feb 11 18:02:25 <danijoo> the files for 2-3 api levels is more than enough. And from that, only the sdk, not all the other stuff arround it
Feb 11 18:02:27 <RusAlex> I do not use android studio
Feb 11 18:02:48 <theblang> wmoran, Napalm: Could the chrome plugin just not be letting me fire requests as fast, even though I'm clicking button super fast?
Feb 11 18:03:03 <danijoo> well. if you install everything and say you need everything, theres no reason to complain about it being that big.
Feb 11 18:03:18 <RusAlex> pfn: I like to read docuentation from source. But yes, maybe I installed too much api / images
Feb 11 18:03:41 <pfn> RusAlex, eclipse should do the same
Feb 11 18:03:44 <RusAlex> danijoo: no, I just need source files especially. Not all platforms.
Feb 11 18:03:52 <pfn> and documentation from d.android.com is best to use
Feb 11 18:03:58 <wmoran> theblang, possibly, yes
Feb 11 18:04:03 <danijoo> then install all platforms and only keep a few
Feb 11 18:04:07 <theblang> wmoran, Napalm: our back-end guy did figure out the problem.  it is something with the database connection pool.  I am still curious why I can't make it happen with Advanced REST Client
Feb 11 18:04:17 <shekibobo> so slow tests are definitely due to AppCompat.... wow
Feb 11 18:04:22 <RusAlex> danijoo: thanks for advices
Feb 11 18:04:23 <danijoo> for corrent development, its for example fine to only have 15, 21 and maybe 19
Feb 11 18:04:24 <RusAlex> and pfn too
Feb 11 18:04:26 <pfn> theblang, probably a header in your retrofit request keeping the connection open
Feb 11 18:04:28 <danijoo> current*
Feb 11 18:04:40 <wmoran> theblang The DB connection pool? Is the backend written in Ruby?
Feb 11 18:04:42 <RusAlex> danijoo: why 15 and 19 is in your list ?
Feb 11 18:04:58 <pfn> 15 is the lowest you should support
Feb 11 18:05:06 <pfn> 19 and 21 have some behavior changes
Feb 11 18:05:13 <pfn> 15-18 are all jelly bean, 19 is kitkat, 21 is lollipop
Feb 11 18:05:34 <pfn> so for testing, with jellybean, you only need 15, etc.
Feb 11 18:05:49 <RusAlex> understood
Feb 11 18:06:07 <wmoran> theblang, you should probably try using JMeter as someone else suggested
Feb 11 18:06:10 <RusAlex> I will review what has been installed there
Feb 11 18:06:38 <wmoran> theblang, but, really, understanding the usage profile of the one causing the problem is a wiser approach than trying to click faster to see if the problem happens.
Feb 11 18:07:31 <herriojr> with eventbus, does registering a fragment in the super not pick up the children methods?
Feb 11 18:09:39 <danijoo> herriojr, you mean you register in a superfragment and want the method in child fragment?
Feb 11 18:10:42 <herriojr> danijoo: correct
Feb 11 18:10:53 <danijoo> should work.
Feb 11 18:11:25 <herriojr> hmm, for whatever reason it can't find my child's onEvent and I've verified the Event class in the post/onEvent are the same
Feb 11 18:11:45 <danijoo> if you override it, you may need to add that annotation again
Feb 11 18:12:01 <danijoo> oh wait. eventbus isnt annotation-based, is it?
Feb 11 18:12:18 <herriojr> nope
Feb 11 18:12:25 <danijoo> was thinking about otto all the time. I dont know about eventbus, sry
Feb 11 18:12:30 <herriojr> yeah, np
Feb 11 18:12:38 <herriojr> if this is the case, it's really annoying
Feb 11 18:17:00 <TacticalJoke> So, using app:navigationIcon="?homeAsUpIndicator" on my Toolbar seems to work: it gives me the right arrow colour for the theme.  Can I rely on this working?
Feb 11 18:17:59 <herriojr> ah, nvm, in my haste, I accidentally screwed something up
Feb 11 18:18:22 <SopaXorzTaker> hello
Feb 11 18:18:27 <SopaXorzTaker> have a question
Feb 11 18:18:44 <_genuser_> who wants beer?
Feb 11 18:18:53 <SopaXorzTaker> Is it considered bad putting the application code directly into the activity class?
Feb 11 18:19:02 <TacticalJoke> What application code?
Feb 11 18:19:05 * SopaXorzTaker is an android newbie
Feb 11 18:19:07 <_genuser_> "application code?"
Feb 11 18:19:19 <SopaXorzTaker> yes, the cde that does the business
Feb 11 18:19:33 <_genuser_> app flow logic or business logic?
Feb 11 18:20:37 <_genuser_> specific business logic as in data retrieval, data storage, manipulation, probably put it in it's own objects.
Feb 11 18:20:45 <_genuser_> just application flow, in activity.
Feb 11 18:21:26 <SopaXorzTaker> I'm new to Java by the way
Feb 11 18:21:38 <SopaXorzTaker> So I wrote a simple calculator.
Feb 11 18:21:49 <SopaXorzTaker> Should I put the code in the main activity?
Feb 11 18:21:53 <SopaXorzTaker> or make a class
Feb 11 18:22:09 <TacticalJoke> Code that parses the input and does the mathematics should not be in the activity.
Feb 11 18:22:11 <TacticalJoke> It's entirely separate.
Feb 11 18:22:44 <_genuser_> what he said
Feb 11 18:24:11 <shekibobo> can you use assertj with espresso tests?
Feb 11 18:24:31 <SopaXorzTaker> Okay
Feb 11 18:24:41 <SopaXorzTaker> Will make a CalculatorFunctionality then
Feb 11 18:24:42 <TacticalJoke> SopaXorzTaker:  The idea is that code that is separated into neat little independent modules is easy to change, easy to test, and easy to read (generally speaking).
Feb 11 18:25:10 <SopaXorzTaker> Ah, thanks!
Feb 11 18:27:04 <maycoll> hi guys, sorry by my poor english. But is possible send command to windows api by usb. Ex: send keyboard events
Feb 11 18:27:12 <TacticalJoke> I think you could have at least two classes here: one that breaks text into tokens and one that reads tokens and produces results (e.g., reads 1, +, and 1, and produces 2).
Feb 11 18:28:02 <TacticalJoke> (Not reading the characters, but reading something like NumberOf(1), Operator(+); that kinda thing.)
Feb 11 18:28:23 <shekibobo> including espresso in the gradle file for some reason makes org.junit.Assert.assertNotEquals not exist...
Feb 11 18:28:45 <adq> maycoll, yes, adb shell input keyevent
Feb 11 18:29:27 <JesusFreke> adq: that's for sending events to the device, not to the computer :)
Feb 11 18:29:38 <adq> ohh he wants the contrary??
Feb 11 18:30:10 <JesusFreke> maycoll: I would look into using VNC (and/or remote desktop) to send the key events. Of course, with vnc, the computer has to be running a vnc server.
Feb 11 18:30:22 <JesusFreke> for example, take a look at the "Valence" app on the play store
Feb 11 18:31:16 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  I'm using AssertJ with JVM unit tests.  Haven't tried Espresso yet, though.
Feb 11 18:32:14 <pfn> for key events? can't you emulate HID over bluetooth?
Feb 11 18:32:31 <pfn> I guess not, the bluetooth api isn't that powerful on android
Feb 11 18:33:26 <adq> talking about that, i need to play with usb host mode to add "midi" in one of my app
Feb 11 18:33:53 <maycoll> adq thanks ... but I have to be installed on the computer adb? rigth?
Feb 11 18:35:17 <adq> maycoll, yes but it's not clear if you want to send key event FROM android TO your computer, or the contrary
Feb 11 18:36:40 <RusAlex> how to avoid this error in maven : package android.support.v4.widget does not exist
Feb 11 18:36:54 <RusAlex> trying to start using DrawerLayout
Feb 11 18:37:02 <groxx> yeah. for the reverse, can usb-otg act as a hid? would definitely be interesting if so.
Feb 11 18:38:45 <maycoll> adq very thanks
Feb 11 18:39:00 <adq> much welcome
Feb 11 18:42:50 <lasserix> How do I verify okhttp is caching (w/o root)?
Feb 11 18:44:20 <groxx> adb shell run-as com.package ls cache-folder
Feb 11 18:44:58 <JesusFreke> groxx: re:otg - you mean having the device act as an HID? Or the computer acting as an HID?
Feb 11 18:44:58 <groxx> or you can just dive into the external folders, if you're caching there
Feb 11 18:45:13 <groxx> JesusFreke: I'm thinking device as hid
Feb 11 18:45:14 <JesusFreke> or rather, the other device - the computer isn't likely to be able to connect in that case
Feb 11 18:45:23 <JesusFreke> groxx: you can't use OTG for that :)
Feb 11 18:45:30 <JesusFreke> the device would be acting as the host in OTG
Feb 11 18:45:33 <groxx> sadness. by design?
Feb 11 18:45:53 <JesusFreke> do you think your usb keyboard is acting as a usb host when it's connected to the computer? :)
Feb 11 18:46:09 <groxx> true, I'm thinking backwards. just realized it :)
Feb 11 18:46:15 <lasserix> To enable caching with retrofit / okhttp do I have to add some header to the GET request, or is it handled automatically?
Feb 11 18:46:24 <lasserix> (I've set up a diskcache for okhttp on the client)
Feb 11 18:46:58 <groxx> lasserix: it'll read headers, which you can add/override if necessary. I would guess that it doesn't cache unless there's a cache header of some kind.
Feb 11 18:47:12 <JesusFreke> but yeah, android doesn't have any APIs or anything to add a new interface while it's in device mode
Feb 11 18:47:22 <JesusFreke> although it would be cool if it did :)
Feb 11 18:47:34 <lasserix> x-cache is a server side thing? that doesn't help me? I need like, max-age or something?
Feb 11 18:48:25 <john67> hello
Feb 11 18:51:13 <groxx> lasserix: x- usually denotes non-standard headers, so I would guess not. but that's far from a sure thing.
Feb 11 18:52:01 <shekibobo> so I just tried switching from the robolectric-gradle plugin to the jcandk android-unit-test plugin (following along with android-seed https://github.com/freezy/android-seed)
Feb 11 18:52:15 <lasserix> groxx: these are example header set i get from my GET http://pastebin.com/e62rC3FP ... from this does this mean no caching is possible by setting headers on my side, or can i set some headers and i'll get a different set of headers from the response?
Feb 11 18:52:25 <shekibobo> for some reason, assertj-android can't be found
Feb 11 18:52:43 <shekibobo> gradle sync works fine, but Android Studio doesn't seem to detect it
Feb 11 18:53:18 <shekibobo> and gradle can't find it either if I run testDebug from the command line
Feb 11 18:54:39 <RusAlex> why java even does not have good cli debugger ?
Feb 11 18:55:05 <shekibobo> error: package org.assertj.android.api does not exist | import static org.assertj.android.api.Assertions.assertThat;
Feb 11 18:56:17 <fullstop> new to android dev here
Feb 11 18:56:53 <fullstop> is it possible to use the FAB in older android versions by using the app compat layer?
Feb 11 18:58:14 <pfn> yes
Feb 11 18:58:27 <pfn> RusAlex, jdb is good
Feb 11 18:59:30 <pfn> RusAlex, and why use maven
Feb 11 18:59:43 <TacticalJoke> This is weird: if I set app:theme on a Toolbar, it also applies that theme to any ActionBar in the same activity.  How does that work?
Feb 11 19:00:08 <lasserix> are you setting as support action bar?
Feb 11 19:00:17 <TacticalJoke> Nah.
Feb 11 19:00:23 <TacticalJoke> It's totally separate.
Feb 11 19:00:37 <TacticalJoke> I have two things: an ActionBar and a Toolbar (just for testing).
Feb 11 19:01:20 <RusAlex> pfn: do not know, It came to me from some manual "first steps, android"
Feb 11 19:01:56 <TacticalJoke> I guess they wrote it to be helpful.
Feb 11 19:02:00 <TacticalJoke> It's weird, though.
Feb 11 19:02:52 <SimonVT> They didn't write anything that would do that
Feb 11 19:06:06 <in_deep_thought> I am trying to follow this tutorial: https://developer.android.com/training/location/retrieve-current.html but it doesn’t say anything about how long the location will take to fetch. About how long can I expect it to take? What if I need to use the location in my activity?
Feb 11 19:07:13 <groxx> in_deep_thought: from milliseconds to minutes to never. depends on an extremely large number of variables
Feb 11 19:07:19 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I have an ActionBar and two Toolbars.  The theme of the last-declared Toolbar determines the theme of all of them.
Feb 11 19:07:53 <TacticalJoke> The first-declared Toolbar's theme is ignored>
Feb 11 19:08:13 <groxx> in_deep_thought: ah, wait, just getting the most-recently-acquired info? it's basically instant.
Feb 11 19:08:16 <in_deep_thought> groxx: so then it can’t really be relied on to use? you have no idea whether it works and whether it will fetch in time to b e useful for your activity...
Feb 11 19:08:33 <in_deep_thought> so 5 seconds should be enough….?
Feb 11 19:08:52 <pieces029> Is there a way to include variables from your gradle file in your AndroidManifest or other xml files?
Feb 11 19:09:53 <in_deep_thought> groxx: here I am implementing it for tracking purposes. https://bpaste.net/show/a058c3848dd7 as you can see the activity has a countdown, at the end of which, a new intent is started. So far I am returning null for this LastKnownLocation. Could the time limit possibly be the cause of this then?
Feb 11 19:11:48 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I seem to more or less understand the v7 Toolbar now.  I've come to the conclusion that setSupportActionBar is basically pointless.
Feb 11 19:12:00 <TacticalJoke> I guess it exists only to reduce the pain of moving to Toolbar.
Feb 11 19:12:30 <TacticalJoke> Unless there is some interplay with another component (e.g., nav drawers) that I'm unaware of.
Feb 11 19:12:58 <groxx> in_deep_thought: hm.  I would expect that to be basically instant, once it's connected.  the connection could take who knows how long though (I would assume < 1 second in most cases, but it's IPC, you never know)
Feb 11 19:13:18 <in_deep_thought> groxx: but the code looks ok?
Feb 11 19:13:47 <in_deep_thought> Its certainely not erroring out. Its just returning null
Feb 11 19:14:43 <shekibobo> why might gradle/androidstudio not think assertj-android exist?
Feb 11 19:15:09 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  What version are you trying to get and what is the error message?
Feb 11 19:15:23 <TacticalJoke> Make sure you're not in offline mode, too.  That seemed to be an issue with a similar problem.
Feb 11 19:15:29 <TacticalJoke> s/an/the/
Feb 11 19:15:49 <groxx> in_deep_thought: hard to say.  there appear to be pieces missing (e.g. mLatitude is never declared).  add some logging, see how long onConnected / getLastLocation takes, see what it returns.  it's also possible for it to return null, and probably depends on newer-ish google play services.
Feb 11 19:15:50 <shekibobo> error: package org.assertj.android.api does not exist (when I try to import static org.assertj.android.api.Assertions.assertThat;)
Feb 11 19:16:25 <shekibobo> and I'm using testCompile 'com.squareup.assertj:assertj-android:1.0.0' in the gradle dependencies
Feb 11 19:16:36 <in_deep_thought> groxx: ok thanks
Feb 11 19:16:56 <TacticalJoke> What does Gradle say if you go Tools > Android > Sync[...]
Feb 11 19:17:40 <TacticalJoke> The site says: androidTestCompile 'com.squareup.assertj:assertj-android:1.0.0'
Feb 11 19:18:15 <shekibobo> yeah, I'm trying to use the jcandk plugin that lets you have separate compiles for test and androidTest
Feb 11 19:18:20 <shekibobo> it syncs just fine
Feb 11 19:18:31 <shekibobo> but android studio still doesn't think it exists...
Feb 11 19:19:39 <TacticalJoke> On a side note, you don't need that plugin anymore.  The latest release of AS and the Gradle plugin support JVM unit testing.
Feb 11 19:20:09 <TacticalJoke> On the topic, I don't know, but I'm guessing that JW's project is for instrumentation testing only.
Feb 11 19:21:05 <TacticalJoke> If you want to use assertJ for JVM unit tests you don't need anything special.
Feb 11 19:21:42 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: do you have any documentation on working with latest AS unit testing + espresso?
Feb 11 19:22:22 <TacticalJoke> Espresso tests don't run on the JVM, right?
Feb 11 19:22:32 <TacticalJoke> The latest AS unit-testing thing is about running tests on the JVM.
Feb 11 19:22:45 <shekibobo> right
Feb 11 19:22:58 <shekibobo> but I'd like to have them side-by-side, I guess
Feb 11 19:23:06 <shekibobo> which is what I thought jcandk was solving
Feb 11 19:23:23 <TacticalJoke> With the latest AS+plugin you can switch between JVM tests and instrumentation tests using the 'Build Variants' tool window.
Feb 11 19:23:49 <TacticalJoke> plugin=Android plugin for Gradle
Feb 11 19:26:09 <shekibobo> ok
Feb 11 19:27:33 <lasserix> so i have an app with say 10 screens, all requiring similar GET calls to a webserver. having not done networking for an app that will be used by lots of people, is it safe to assume as long as the data is not too great (simple json), i can query for all this information in the background and cache it, so when the user is navigating through those screens they dont need to load? or should i lazily perform each get on cr
Feb 11 19:27:33 <lasserix> eation of the each screen (or if using pager, lazily buffering one before/after current as well)?
Feb 11 19:29:07 <ArcaneWater> Hey all :)
Feb 11 19:30:45 <newbQ> I have a DAT file filled with long values, written with DataOutputStream.  will dividing the file size by the size of a long give me the number of longs that are stored in that file?
Feb 11 19:31:28 <ArcaneWater> JakeWharton there maybe?
Feb 11 19:32:21 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  How will you get the file size?
Feb 11 19:32:52 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: I don't know.  I'm assuming there is a way to grab the size of the file
Feb 11 19:33:20 <TacticalJoke> The standard approach would be to simply read the values and place them in a list.  Then query the list to see how many you got.
Feb 11 19:34:47 <pablq> hey yall, noob layout question here. is there any way to programmatically set margins to a dp value in the .java file? all of the setMargin/setPadding methods take ints which are translated to pixels. I'd like to use a relative self-scaling value.
Feb 11 19:35:08 <newbQ> but isn;t that an infinite loop, and just stop reading and ignore the exception when you hit the end of the file?
Feb 11 19:36:17 <shekibobo> so I switched to using the android studio stuff http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/unit-testing-support
Feb 11 19:36:47 <shekibobo> and when I go to test artifact:Unit Tests, I still don't get assertj-android to work
Feb 11 19:37:01 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  You can use normal AssertJ if you're doing JVM tests.
Feb 11 19:37:12 <TacticalJoke> It seems that assertj-android is about using AssertJ for instrumentation tests.
Feb 11 19:37:31 <shekibobo> I'm using it with robolectric
Feb 11 19:39:43 <TacticalJoke> Try this: testCompile 'org.assertj:assertj-core:1.7.1'
Feb 11 19:40:55 <TacticalJoke> You're using 1.1.0-rc1 or 1.1.0-rc2, I'm guessing.
Feb 11 19:41:23 <TacticalJoke> s/guessing/hoping/
Feb 11 19:42:30 <g00s> i keep hitting these weird bugs with appcompat. if you just use it out of the box things kinda work, but if you poke it hard things start breaking in inexplicable ways like with themes, etc
Feb 11 19:42:50 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Not sure whether this is accurate, but I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/16945390
Feb 11 19:42:50 <shekibobo> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bce22a9384c760dc306a
Feb 11 19:43:03 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  Or you could serialise strings as lines or something.
Feb 11 19:43:17 <g00s> like this time, i can't use both setTheme() and android:windowIsFloating - which is fine w/o appcompat
Feb 11 19:43:35 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  "testCompile('com.squareup.assertj:assertj-android:1.0.+')" has to be wrong.
Feb 11 19:43:35 <iamshercoder> What’s the best practice to handle NPE if getActivity() returns null in fragment? Should I always check for null before using it? or is there a better practice for this?
Feb 11 19:45:20 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: thats definitely something I can try.  thanks.  In the mean time, I think I figured out how to get the file's size in bytes.  Now i just need to hope the math checks out
Feb 11 19:46:47 <TacticalJoke> Converting the longs to strings and saving the strings, one per line, seems nice and easy.  Converting between longs and strings is simple.
Feb 11 19:47:54 <TacticalJoke> Then you won't have to use the awkward-looking DataInputStream class.
Feb 11 19:48:25 <TacticalJoke> Just a thought.
Feb 11 19:48:30 <TacticalJoke> iamshercoder:  When is getActivity returning null?
Feb 11 19:48:57 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: I'm gonna give this a try first: http://pastebin.com/1GtzJQZS
Feb 11 19:49:57 <g00s> converting longs to strings will create a ton of garbage
Feb 11 19:52:22 <TacticalJoke> What garbage?  Curious of what you mean.
Feb 11 19:52:55 <TacticalJoke> String.valueOf(Long.MAX_VALUE), for example, gives a clean string.
Feb 11 19:56:06 <g00s> glad it isn't a dirty string :)
Feb 11 19:56:15 <john67> will be back
Feb 11 19:56:17 <iamshercoder> TacticalJoke: I make an API call using retrofit and when it returns then I update my custom Adapter, I am initializing Adapter and passing context to the adapter to intialize LayoutInflater.
Feb 11 19:57:47 <iamshercoder> so this context (getActivity) is null
Feb 11 19:59:07 <iamshercoder> I think user hit back or something else is finishing the activity before this task completes
Feb 11 19:59:10 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: it seems that with testCompile('com.squareup.assertj:assertj-android:1.0.+'), android studio autocomplete can figure out org.assertj.core, but not org.assertj.android
Feb 11 20:01:07 <theblang> Napalm: Ahh, it was because ARC was sending a cookie, which probably told the server to reuse connection, while Retrofit is not, so it tries to create many new connections which is bombing out (a different problem that our back-end guy is looking into)
Feb 11 20:01:17 <theblang> Napalm: ARC = Android REST Client
Feb 11 20:04:07 <lasserix> is it really necessary to include google plays services just to get last known location?
Feb 11 20:04:42 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  I'm not sure.  Maybe ping JakeWharton.
Feb 11 20:04:56 <TacticalJoke> Though I suspect that it's just that you can't use AssertJ-Android for non-instrumentation tests.
Feb 11 20:05:31 <shekibobo> I'm writing up an issue for assertj-android for some official guidance, since there's no mention in the project that it can't be used for unit tests
Feb 11 20:05:59 <TacticalJoke> http://www.reddit.com/r/programmingtools is getting popular.
Feb 11 20:11:00 <shekibobo> https://github.com/square/assertj-android/issues/150
Feb 11 20:11:56 <shekibobo> so back to what triggered this whole thing in the first place... does anyone have an idea why using appcompat practically triples the run time of robolectric3.0 tests?
Feb 11 20:13:06 <shekibobo> switched from using FragmentActivity to ActionBarActivity and using getSupportActionBar() and all that
Feb 11 20:13:25 <shekibobo> slows the whole thing down to a crawl
Feb 11 20:13:52 <tricknology> Hey anyone know why my handler is receiving a message from 1 day ago?
Feb 11 20:13:54 <tricknology> handleMessage: Message Received : = { what=15 when=-1d10h30m51s883ms obj=5 }
Feb 11 20:14:07 <andreyonadam> If I'm mkaing an SQLITEOpen helper, how come its calling onUpgrade even though it is upgraded to the latest version. Do I have to tell the slite helper what version by registering it myselv?
Feb 11 20:14:08 <g00s> lol
Feb 11 20:14:10 <andreyonadam> *myself?
Feb 11 20:14:35 <tricknology> onUpgrade gets called when the version number is different
Feb 11 20:14:44 <g00s> tricknology you'll have to start worrying when the messages come from *tomorrow*
Feb 11 20:14:45 <tricknology> like if you make changes to your db
Feb 11 20:14:45 <andreyonadam> tricknology: Okay, but I already upgraded
Feb 11 20:14:50 <tricknology> lol goos
Feb 11 20:14:55 <andreyonadam> How come it keeps upgrading
Feb 11 20:15:08 <tricknology> do you keep updating the version number?
Feb 11 20:15:08 <andreyonadam> My version number is two and whenever I run sqlitehelper it still upgrades
Feb 11 20:15:17 <andreyonadam> No its always 2
Feb 11 20:15:27 <andreyonadam> The original upgrade version number is two
Feb 11 20:15:50 <andreyonadam> And I want to upgrade it once which I do but whenever I create the helper again it still runs onUpgrade which I belive it shouldn't
Feb 11 20:16:07 <andreyonadam> Unless I'm upgrading it wrong or I have to register the new version number
Feb 11 20:16:17 <tricknology> check this out
Feb 11 20:16:17 <tricknology> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14579175/sqlite-onupgrade
Feb 11 20:17:00 <andreyonadam> tricknology: That's a different issue
Feb 11 20:17:23 <andreyonadam> I just want mine to upgrade when there is only a newer version out there
Feb 11 20:17:42 <tricknology> I think you have it backwards?
Feb 11 20:17:53 <tricknology> a newer version of the table?
Feb 11 20:18:09 <andreyonadam> Do I have to mention the version number in the table
Feb 11 20:18:10 <tricknology> you upgrade your table when you make changes to it, like add or remove columns
Feb 11 20:18:15 <andreyonadam> is that that the helper compares it to?
Feb 11 20:18:26 <andreyonadam> I thought it automaticly kept track of the version numbers
Feb 11 20:19:27 <andreyonadam> The origional version is one
Feb 11 20:19:40 <andreyonadam> I create it agian with version two and it upgrades which is great
Feb 11 20:19:53 <andreyonadam> But I create another sqlite helper with version two again and it still runs onUpgrade
Feb 11 20:19:55 <andreyonadam> That's my problem
Feb 11 20:19:57 <lasserix> anyone got a code snippet for a static access method to get current location (requesting update if needed)?
Feb 11 20:20:06 <tricknology> you are referencing the same db
Feb 11 20:20:11 <tricknology> which is version 1
Feb 11 20:20:15 <andreyonadam> tricknology: I
Feb 11 20:20:24 <tricknology> can you paste code?
Feb 11 20:20:27 <andreyonadam> tricknology: I'm dropping the db and rebuilding it
Feb 11 20:20:33 <tricknology> I’m doing other things can I can’t guess
Feb 11 20:20:35 <osubuck_> looking for a way to root the LG Tribute, i've scoured over the internet, on XDA and no one can figure it out
Feb 11 20:20:39 <tricknology> then why even upgrade
Feb 11 20:20:54 <andreyonadam> tricknology: So I can repopulate it with the new infromatin
Feb 11 20:20:55 <g00s> osubuck_ wrong channel
Feb 11 20:20:59 <andreyonadam> *information
Feb 11 20:21:08 <andreyonadam> Is that the right way to do things?
Feb 11 20:21:21 <andreyonadam> Do I have to modifiy a version number inside the SQLite database itself?
Feb 11 20:21:40 <tricknology> Whenever I upgrade the db I just increment the value in code
Feb 11 20:21:52 <tricknology> then onUpgrade gets called and it uses a switch on the upgrade version
Feb 11 20:22:04 <tricknology> to call whaever code to modify the table
Feb 11 20:22:11 <tricknology> key word is modify
Feb 11 20:22:17 <tricknology> you are dropping the entire thing and recreating it
Feb 11 20:22:25 <tricknology> idk where you are settign the db version
Feb 11 20:22:26 <andreyonadam> Ahh
Feb 11 20:22:30 <tricknology> busy for like 15 mins
Feb 11 20:22:37 <tricknology> brb
Feb 11 20:22:44 <andreyonadam> So the user has to do the comparing between versions?
Feb 11 20:22:53 <andreyonadam> The Sqlite Helper doesn't do that for me?
Feb 11 20:23:46 <andreyonadam> tricknology: What I'm going to try doing is printing out the oldVersion variable to see what's happening under the hood. To check if its updating it and if I have to manage the comparasons
Feb 11 20:26:07 <tricknology> I built a custom helper
Feb 11 20:26:09 <yiati> adreyonadam: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/database/sqlite/SQLiteOpenHelper.html#onUpgrade(android.database.sqlite.SQLiteDatabase, int, int)
Feb 11 20:27:38 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Do you know how to get a spinner dropdown to open on top of the spinner with AppCompat?
Feb 11 20:28:29 <lasserix> andreyonadam: there is a constructor arguement
Feb 11 20:28:42 <lasserix> for the version, when that changes, then onUpgrade is called
Feb 11 20:29:23 <g00s> TacticalJoke no :(
Feb 11 20:29:25 <andreyonadam> lasserix: Yeah. I'm checking to see if newVersion matches OldVersion
Feb 11 20:29:33 <lasserix> so for instance, you release myapp v1 with dbver = 1 then myapp v2 has new schema so you change dbver = 2 and in onUpgrade you impelement some logic to create a new table, copy over the data, drop the old table or something
Feb 11 20:29:37 * tricknology facepalms
Feb 11 20:29:40 <andreyonadam> Wtf
Feb 11 20:29:45 <andreyonadam> Oldversion remains one
Feb 11 20:29:53 <andreyonadam> Even after "Upgrading"
Feb 11 20:29:56 <andreyonadam> And running onUpgrade
Feb 11 20:29:57 <tricknology> if oldversion != newversion then you will call onupgrade
Feb 11 20:29:59 <tricknology> umm..
Feb 11 20:30:06 <tricknology> how are you expecting to to change?
Feb 11 20:30:21 <lasserix> when you release new version of your app
Feb 11 20:30:25 <lasserix> you modify the value of db_version
Feb 11 20:30:28 <andreyonadam> That's the thing. Doesn't Android Register the new version in like some shared preference or something?
Feb 11 20:30:39 <lasserix> you'd just store it
Feb 11 20:30:45 <lasserix> like a final static field in your sqlite database
Feb 11 20:30:49 <tricknology> lol
Feb 11 20:30:51 <andreyonadam> Or am I the one that has to handle it in my database and register the newer version on every onUpgrade
Feb 11 20:30:52 <lasserix> when you upgrade your app, you'd change the value?
Feb 11 20:30:53 <TacticalJoke> The crazy thing is that if I use ActionBar's list navigation mode then I get this behaviour by default (the spinner dropdown shows on top of the spinner).
Feb 11 20:30:54 <tricknology> YOU have to do that
Feb 11 20:30:58 <tricknology> durr
Feb 11 20:31:06 <TacticalJoke> But if I do that then the spinner also doesn't remember its position when re-opening.
Feb 11 20:31:07 <andreyonadam> Ohh
Feb 11 20:31:08 <andreyonadam> Sna
Feb 11 20:31:11 <andreyonadam> *snap
Feb 11 20:31:16 <andreyonadam> Thought android did it for me/
Feb 11 20:31:17 <andreyonadam> lol
Feb 11 20:31:20 <tricknology> lol
Feb 11 20:31:24 <andreyonadam> facepalm
Feb 11 20:31:31 <lasserix> andreyonadam: you track the changes with the value of some variable you can store it wherever you want, but usually you'd hardcode it and just change it as you update your app and db
Feb 11 20:31:31 <tricknology> don’t ever assume android will do anythign for you lol
Feb 11 20:31:37 <TacticalJoke> It's like... do you want bugs X and Y or would you prefer bugs A, B, and C?
Feb 11 20:31:39 <tricknology> ^^
Feb 11 20:31:43 <tricknology> that’s waht I do. hardcode
Feb 11 20:31:55 <tricknology> Right where onUpgrade is, in whatever class
Feb 11 20:32:04 <tricknology> then when I have to write upgrade methods I just increment the value
Feb 11 20:32:06 <tricknology> (s)
Feb 11 20:32:21 <andreyonadam> I think I'm going to do a sharepreference
Feb 11 20:32:33 <andreyonadam> And whenever I get an onUpgrade I check the newer version with the older one
Feb 11 20:32:47 <andreyonadam> My question is then why does android have an oldVersion variable in the  onUpgrade meathod
Feb 11 20:32:59 <andreyonadam> when it doesn't track the verison number
Feb 11 20:33:31 <pfn> database is separate from app
Feb 11 20:34:24 <pfn> and it does track the version number
Feb 11 20:34:27 <pfn> what are you talking about
Feb 11 20:34:32 <pfn> onUpgrade has oldVersion => newVersion
Feb 11 20:34:34 <lasserix> andreyonadam: shared pref is bad idea if user clears their data it'll reset it so you'll have to hardcode it anyways
Feb 11 20:34:48 <pfn> lasserix, huh? clear data = empty prefs => empty sqlite, what's the problem
Feb 11 20:34:52 <andreyonadam> User clears data = clear database too
Feb 11 20:35:06 <andreyonadam> Let me paste my onupgrade code
Feb 11 20:35:58 <lasserix> right but i mean if he went from ver 1 to ver 5 then he'll have to handle repopulating so putting into shared prefs is just redundent
Feb 11 20:36:18 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/qicr/blob/master/common/src/com/hanhuy/android/irc/MessageLog.scala#L248
Feb 11 20:36:23 <pfn> there's my onUpgrade for qicr's logging
Feb 11 20:37:23 <g00s> TIL that certain theme attrs must be set in the manifest, and can't be setThemed() :|
Feb 11 20:37:40 <g00s> manifest activity android:theme  that is
Feb 11 20:37:40 <Mavrik> yep
Feb 11 20:37:48 <Mavrik> that's shitty and terrible.
Feb 11 20:37:50 <lasserix> pfn: onupgrade is called when the version number passed to the sqlite constructor != the version number stored in the pragma of the database (from previos invocations of he constructor)
Feb 11 20:38:00 <andreyonadam> http://pastebin.com/2MDs2X9y
Feb 11 20:38:00 <g00s> Mavrik i lost 2 days of my life :(
Feb 11 20:38:04 <Mavrik> g00s, actually the whole themeing system should be taken behind a shed and shot
Feb 11 20:38:08 <Mavrik> it's worse than CSS.
Feb 11 20:38:11 <Mavrik> And that's saying something.
Feb 11 20:38:28 <viran> Is it possible to something similar to #ifdef ... with gradle, to compile the same project different parts of the code every time? One version for Play, a different versiion for Amazon store.... ?
Feb 11 20:38:41 <lasserix> andreyonadam: you sure you want to drop all data from previous table?
Feb 11 20:38:49 <andreyonadam> I know dropping and then reinserting it is a bad way of doing it and I yet have to fix that. I will but I want to understand why its still upgrading when I already have done so to the latest database version first.
Feb 11 20:38:50 <lasserix> viran: build flavor
Feb 11 20:39:12 <lasserix> ?
Feb 11 20:39:23 <andreyonadam> lasserix: I'm going to fix that but was wondering why it is still upgrading and then not registering the new version. I found that out recently.
Feb 11 20:39:32 <lasserix> oh ok
Feb 11 20:40:03 <viran> thanks lasserix
Feb 11 20:40:37 <TacticalJoke> I've also lost about two days just switching to AppCompat.  So many tiny little details to think about.
Feb 11 20:40:43 <TacticalJoke> Wish this stuff just worked as documented.
Feb 11 20:40:53 <TacticalJoke> No surprises.  Just works.  That'd be great.
Feb 11 20:41:31 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: you're not kidding
Feb 11 20:41:43 <andreyonadam> Maybe I need to run onCreate again inorder for the version number to be updated?
Feb 11 20:41:57 <shekibobo> and the testing.... is unbearable
Feb 11 20:41:58 <andreyonadam> That's what everyone seems to be doing
Feb 11 20:42:15 <TacticalJoke> Instrumentation testing is horrible, yeah.  But the new JVM unit testing is really simple.
Feb 11 20:42:23 <TacticalJoke> You don't even really need Robolectric anymore.
Feb 11 20:42:30 <lasserix> you need to recreate the sqliteopenhelper passing the new version number to its super constructor
Feb 11 20:42:38 <TacticalJoke> Just JUnit 4 with, perhaps, Mockito might be enough.
Feb 11 20:43:19 <TacticalJoke> I'm testing a few POJOs with plain JVM tests.
Feb 11 20:43:31 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: any advice on moving away from robolectric with the unit testing? we don't actually have any instrumentation tests right now
Feb 11 20:43:45 <groxx> g00s: before I forget: you managed some breakthrough with styles yesterday?  what was it / was it actually a dead end?
Feb 11 20:43:57 <TacticalJoke> Not sure.  I'm not experienced with Robolectric.  Though I guess it depends on exactly what your tests are like.
Feb 11 20:44:01 <_genuser_> so byte[].equals(another_array) isn't comparing their contents. just the addresses?
Feb 11 20:44:02 <shekibobo> we have a bunch of UI behavior tests done in robolectric, and it kinda sucks a ton
Feb 11 20:44:16 <TacticalJoke> I think JW recommends not using Robolectric.
Feb 11 20:44:19 <TacticalJoke> Or at least he hates it.
Feb 11 20:44:37 <shekibobo> he maintains the robolectric-gradle-plugin
Feb 11 20:44:46 <shekibobo> and robolectric
Feb 11 20:44:49 <TacticalJoke> As far as I know, Mockito can replace anything like that.
Feb 11 20:44:59 <shekibobo> robotium he hates
Feb 11 20:45:02 <TacticalJoke> Though whether it'll be a pain to switch things to Mockito is something I don't know.
Feb 11 20:45:11 <g00s> groxx anything i learn regarding styles is a breakthrough for me lol. yeah, so themes / styles can't do multiple inheritance. so using theme X, if i wanted to mix-in Y and Z i was able to do theme.applyStyle(Y), applyStyle(Z) to X
Feb 11 20:45:45 <shekibobo> yeah, a lot of this stuff I'd love to just switch to espresso, if I just had any idea how to go about it
Feb 11 20:46:10 <shekibobo> there are just so many dead ends
Feb 11 20:46:33 <shekibobo> and my god, 30 minute test suites just to use AppCompat is killing me right now
Feb 11 20:46:40 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2uxcf2/android_studio_11_comes_with_unit_testing_on_a/cocogkr?context=2
Feb 11 20:47:01 <groxx> g00s: so, with this, could you take a "blank" theme, apply a handful of mixins, and do that for e.g. each themed context?  or does it apply it globally to the theme?
Feb 11 20:47:13 <drose379> TacticalJoke you there?
Feb 11 20:47:15 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: fair enough
Feb 11 20:47:17 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Feb 11 20:47:38 <drose379> Hey, so if I just do on button click (new objective)
Feb 11 20:47:56 <shekibobo> I just wish I had an idea how to migrate these tests to a more appropriate medium
Feb 11 20:48:00 <drose379> EditText editText = new EditText(this)
Feb 11 20:48:03 <drose379> then add it to the view
Feb 11 20:48:26 <drose379> I can loop over the number of items in the layout to get each editText value, right?
Feb 11 20:48:27 <g00s> groxx it seemed to be scoped only to that ContextThemeWrapper. so other activities would have to applyStyle again. thats what i observed anyhow
Feb 11 20:48:37 <TacticalJoke> You can loop over the ViewGroup's children, yeah.
Feb 11 20:48:52 <drose379> Sweet, even if they all have the same name
Feb 11 20:49:24 <andreyonadam> Running the onCreate doens't fix anything
Feb 11 20:49:31 <TacticalJoke> Even if the variable has the same name, yes.  The variable is simply a reference (pointer) to an EditText.
Feb 11 20:49:36 <groxx> g00s: /me reads up on that class.
Feb 11 20:49:48 <drose379> Got it ,thanks tactical
Feb 11 20:50:09 <g00s> groxx look at the sources for ContextThemeWrapper, its pretty short
Feb 11 20:50:28 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I don't suppose you know how to make a Spinner's drop-down appear on top of the Spinner?  :D  I can't seem to find an answer.
Feb 11 20:50:36 <TacticalJoke> I'm moving to AppCompat finally.
Feb 11 20:50:56 <drose379> Sorry, I dont
Feb 11 20:51:02 <groxx> g00s: so... to do this, would you define a bunch of small themes, and .applyStyle them to the activity's context before setcontentview? and does it seem to work reasonably?
Feb 11 20:51:14 <groxx> g00s: I'll do that. haven't read that one yet
Feb 11 20:51:19 <g00s> yes, before setContentView and the inflater is created
Feb 11 20:51:37 <g00s> and if using appcompat, before super.onCraete too because of what it does
Feb 11 20:52:01 <groxx> makes sense
Feb 11 20:52:47 <groxx> Hm. gives me ideas anyway. I'll have to try some out :)
Feb 11 20:54:49 <TacticalJoke> Damn, my progress bars look nice on the 5.0 emulator.  ;o
Feb 11 20:54:53 <TacticalJoke> The AppCompat thingy.
Feb 11 20:55:12 <g00s> i have ot figure out why appcompat messes up the colors of my PreferenceFragment text
Feb 11 20:55:34 <g00s> i read about it somewhere, i think i need to specify textColorPrimaryColor or something like that, which i never did in the past
Feb 11 20:58:18 <TacticalJoke> Spinner dropdowns show above in the 5.0 emulator.  So hopefully they'll fix it for earlier platforms.  Surely they can, because this works with ActionBar in list navigation mode.
Feb 11 20:58:32 <TacticalJoke> I might file a bug report (nobody else seems to have).
Feb 11 20:58:40 <g00s> you aren't supposed to use List navigation mode any more
Feb 11 20:58:47 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Feb 11 20:58:54 <TacticalJoke> It's also buggy in AppCompat.  lol
Feb 11 20:59:05 <TacticalJoke> Otherwise I'd seriously consider still using it (for the dropdown thing).
Feb 11 21:00:03 <TacticalJoke> I'd love if they backported the accentColor progress bars too.
Feb 11 21:00:10 <TacticalJoke> They look awesome.
Feb 11 21:00:43 <yiati> g00s: don't you know. You have to specify the color you want your color to be
Feb 11 21:00:50 <yiati> colorPrimaryColor
Feb 11 21:01:15 <g00s> yiati ok i have to look
Feb 11 21:01:18 <g00s> thx
Feb 11 21:01:35 <davidcorrado> Anyone upgrade to Google Analytics v4 and tracking does not show up.  I see from a proxy that the requests to google analytics are happening. But I dont see the data in the real time results
Feb 11 21:02:03 <shekibobo> TacticalJoke: where would I put instrumentation tests? I have app/srs/test for unit tests...
Feb 11 21:02:15 <TacticalJoke> androidTest
Feb 11 21:04:57 <drose379> Someone told me that having too many void methods in java is a bad thing... Why is that?
Feb 11 21:05:22 <groxx> _possibly_ because it implies you're using a lot of mutable state.
Feb 11 21:05:31 <drose379> mutable?
Feb 11 21:06:01 <s73v3r> things that can change
Feb 11 21:06:23 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  I've never heard any such thing, and on the face of it it sounds like terrible advice.
Feb 11 21:06:31 <TacticalJoke> What groxx is talking about is related and good advice.
Feb 11 21:06:36 <davidcorrado> Anyone here have real time results working in Google Analytics with V4?
Feb 11 21:06:49 <groxx> e.g. you're calling obj.doSomething(); obj.doSomethingElse();, and because it's changing internal state (apparently, because nothing is returned, so otherwise it would be pointless), it's hard to reason about if doSomething must come before doSomethingElse, or if there are other rules for use, etc.
Feb 11 21:07:15 <blusky> is there some Picasso dev. here ? I'm wondering why "Picasso.with.load.into(Target, Callback)" doesn't exist, is there any reason or can I dev it and suggst a pull request ?
Feb 11 21:07:18 <drose379> Ok, I see
Feb 11 21:07:18 <shekibobo> can you unit-test views? or is that something that goes in instrumentation tests?
Feb 11 21:07:22 <groxx> I can't think of any _problems_ with having a bunch of void methods though.  at worst it's a "code smell".
Feb 11 21:07:32 <drose379> code smell?
Feb 11 21:07:40 <s73v3r> indication that something might be wrong
Feb 11 21:07:54 <groxx> for whatever reason, it seems to be the programming version of "I have a bad feeling about this"
Feb 11 21:08:01 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  If running JVM unit tests, you could mock them with Mockito.
Feb 11 21:08:02 <drose379> Got it
Feb 11 21:08:07 <s73v3r> you know when you open your fridge, and you get a weird smell? it’s an indication that something might be bad.
Feb 11 21:08:29 <f2prateek> blusky: why do you need it?
Feb 11 21:08:46 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure I'd agree that a lot of void methods is a code smell, though.  Consider the typical Android activity subclass.  It's full of void methods.
Feb 11 21:08:49 <groxx> totally aside: hooooly crap, `adb shell dumpsys` is dumping more data. now.  almost 100,000 lines of text.
Feb 11 21:08:49 <TacticalJoke> I guess it depends on the context.
Feb 11 21:09:04 <drose379> If I pass a LinearLayout to a method
Feb 11 21:09:10 <drose379> That asks for a ViewGroup
Feb 11 21:09:18 <drose379> That is fine right? Cause there the same really
Feb 11 21:09:19 <blusky> f2prateek: i'm downloading a picture into an imageswitcher, so I built a "Target" for imageswitcher, and I also need to trigger event on download success (or fail)
Feb 11 21:09:25 <shekibobo> should I have to add sourceSets in the gradle file to pick up the androidTest directory as code?
Feb 11 21:09:27 <TacticalJoke> A LinearLayout is a ViewGroup.
Feb 11 21:09:28 <groxx> drose379: should be.
Feb 11 21:09:32 <drose379> Got it
Feb 11 21:09:39 <drose379> Thanks for the help guys
Feb 11 21:10:00 <s73v3r> so long as the method itself is only using methods defined in ViewGroup, and isn’t actually expecting a certain kind of viewgroup
Feb 11 21:10:04 <g00s> since the gradle plugin is at 1.1.x or whatever, when are we going to get some 1.x quality documentation
Feb 11 21:10:11 <TacticalJoke> shekibobo:  Just switch variant in the Build Variants tool window.
Feb 11 21:10:29 <shekibobo> ahh, got it
Feb 11 21:10:44 <TacticalJoke> Only one test variant can be used at a time.
Feb 11 21:10:59 <TacticalJoke> Or "test artifact".
Feb 11 21:11:02 <groxx> g00s: probably when Android switches IDEs again?
Feb 11 21:11:04 <shekibobo> hmm
Feb 11 21:11:10 <blusky> f2prateek: should I do otherwise ?
Feb 11 21:11:16 <shekibobo> is there a way to share things across multiple builds that aren't main?
Feb 11 21:11:19 <g00s> groxx Netbeans Studio :P
Feb 11 21:11:30 <groxx> bingo
Feb 11 21:11:38 <TacticalJoke> Since Jon Skeet uses Eclipse, maybe we should all go back to Eclipse.
Feb 11 21:11:44 <shekibobo> i.e. some test factories and such, shouldn't be available in main, but should be available in test and androidTest
Feb 11 21:12:18 <pablq> greetings folks. any  advice on parsing xml that happens to have the occasional html character (read: &amp; etc.)... it looks like all the fields that contain such characters are being skipped by the XmlPullParser -> parser.getText() is returning nothing for these fields...
Feb 11 21:12:54 <groxx> shekibobo: you can add arbitrary directories to flavors / build types, allowing pretty much anything.  but if it would fit, you can make both build-type- and flavor-based source dirs.
Feb 11 21:14:07 <groxx> ah, test and androidTest.  not sure.
Feb 11 21:14:14 <shekibobo> I guess I'd just like the things available in test to also be available in androidTest... it kind of seems like they might work together in that respect
Feb 11 21:14:21 <shekibobo> since they're both kind of "test"
Feb 11 21:14:37 <shekibobo> at least androidTest should include test, I'd think
Feb 11 21:14:44 <TacticalJoke> Don't forget that they're two totally different platforms: Java and Android.
Feb 11 21:14:49 <TacticalJoke> Well, largely different.
Feb 11 21:14:57 <groxx> shekibobo: http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/user-guide#TOC-Configuring-the-Structure might be enough to get started?
Feb 11 21:15:24 <groxx> yeah, they're different, but I can certainly see why sharing _some_ code between them would make sense.
Feb 11 21:15:37 <shekibobo> hmm
Feb 11 21:15:42 <drose379> TacticalJoke well java is java, and android just compiles differently, right? Or is my understanding wrong
Feb 11 21:16:16 <TacticalJoke> Android is a Java-like runtime environment, I guess.
Feb 11 21:16:44 <drose379> So by learning to write android apps, am I also learning java
Feb 11 21:17:02 <bankai_> you are, but you're also missing out on a ton of java niceness
Feb 11 21:17:28 <drose379> Hmm, like what
Feb 11 21:17:41 <TacticalJoke> You're missing Java 8 stuff such as first-class functions.
Feb 11 21:17:42 <lewellyn> like most of Java SE :P
Feb 11 21:18:09 <drose379> hm
Feb 11 21:18:22 <drose379> Android is fun thought, couldnt find any uses for java alone, thats why I started android
Feb 11 21:18:30 <drose379> though*
Feb 11 21:18:35 <TacticalJoke> http://blogs.atlassian.com/2014/03/miss-java-8-lambda-functions/
Feb 11 21:19:17 <drose379> In my for loop I should start at 1 right?
Feb 11 21:19:19 <TacticalJoke> Actually, I have no idea whether that's a good article.  Only looked at the first two paragraphs.  :D
Feb 11 21:19:19 <drose379> Not 0
Feb 11 21:19:36 <TacticalJoke> Looping over the children of a ViewGroup?  You should definitely start at 0.
Feb 11 21:20:12 <drose379> Ok, for some reason I thought it started at 1
Feb 11 21:20:47 <drose379> Id love to show you my code later if you are aroudn
Feb 11 21:20:51 <TacticalJoke> Arrays and lists start from 0.
Feb 11 21:20:52 <yiati> You can even do function references in Java 8
Feb 11 21:21:07 <yiati> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/methodreferences.html
Feb 11 21:21:10 <TacticalJoke> Sure, but I have to go soonish.
Feb 11 21:21:18 <yiati> Arrays.sort(rosterAsArray, Person::compareByAge);
Feb 11 21:21:27 <drose379> TacticalJoke its not an array or a list though
Feb 11 21:21:30 <TacticalJoke> It's kinda arbitrary to start from 0, really.  It represents an offset rather than an index.  I actually think it's not a good idea in a high-level language such as Java.
Feb 11 21:21:41 <drose379> Im doing getChildAt()
Feb 11 21:21:43 <TacticalJoke> ViewGroup has an array/list of children.
Feb 11 21:21:46 <drinfernoo> so what's up with everyone?
Feb 11 21:21:56 <drose379> Ok, so getChildAt() starts at 0?
Feb 11 21:21:59 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Feb 11 21:22:02 <yiati> TacticalJoke, https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html
Feb 11 21:22:33 <TacticalJoke> It uses an array.
Feb 11 21:22:40 <TacticalJoke> private View[] mChildren;
Feb 11 21:22:53 <drinfernoo> groxx, did you ever get to check out that problem I was having yesterday?
Feb 11 21:23:40 <drose379> Ok noob java question
Feb 11 21:23:43 <drose379> Add value to an array..
Feb 11 21:23:45 <drinfernoo> idky I can't paste
Feb 11 21:24:50 <groxx> drinfernoo: you'll have to remind me :\  too much chat history, can't find it.
Feb 11 21:24:51 <TacticalJoke> It's weird that it uses an array, though.  It basically duplicates the ArrayList code.
Feb 11 21:24:59 <drinfernoo> I thought so hold on
Feb 11 21:25:06 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  You mean to increase its size?
Feb 11 21:25:06 <drinfernoo> actually I'll brb
Feb 11 21:25:13 <yiati> drose379: Is that your question?
Feb 11 21:25:22 <yiati> Add value to array?
Feb 11 21:25:28 <yiati> Yes
Feb 11 21:25:31 <yiati> do it
Feb 11 21:25:43 <drose379> Like put a value inside an array
Feb 11 21:25:45 <drose379> Like list.add
Feb 11 21:25:48 <drose379> But without using List
Feb 11 21:25:50 <yiati> okay I will
Feb 11 21:25:52 <groxx> ary[i] = value?
Feb 11 21:25:53 <shekibobo> Something like this seems to work: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1a1fe9a22d666f804256
Feb 11 21:25:54 <TacticalJoke> Arrays don't resize.
Feb 11 21:25:55 <drinfernoo> http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2vfwf2/_/
Feb 11 21:25:59 <drinfernoo> there's you go
Feb 11 21:26:07 <shekibobo> but not totally confident yet
Feb 11 21:26:11 <drose379> TacticalJoke I dont mean resize
Feb 11 21:26:15 <drose379> Just insert a value in
Feb 11 21:26:18 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  Just pointing that out.
Feb 11 21:26:21 <groxx> shekibobo: cool, that's about what I was thinking :)
Feb 11 21:26:32 <drinfernoo> someone mentioned I should be using getChildaFragmentManager(), but that seems to be making it worse, and idk about that
Feb 11 21:26:58 <yiati> drose379: Are you looking for a fixed size list? What data structure do you want?
Feb 11 21:27:12 <groxx> drinfernoo: ah, right.  I'm still foggy on when to use child fragment managers, though it seems like it should be simple.  but no, haven't looked over it yet, sorry :\
Feb 11 21:27:15 <drose379> Nah Im just using an array
Feb 11 21:27:25 <TacticalJoke> Note that ViewGroup exposes this array as if it's a list.
Feb 11 21:27:29 <TacticalJoke> It handles resizing under the hood.
Feb 11 21:27:37 <TacticalJoke> I don't see why it uses an array, though.  Just seems pointless.
Feb 11 21:27:45 <TacticalJoke> Maybe it's faster; I'unno.
Feb 11 21:27:51 <drose379> When im defining an array
Feb 11 21:27:58 <drose379> String[] arrayName;
Feb 11 21:28:02 <yiati> right
Feb 11 21:28:03 <drose379> its not letting me do that
Feb 11 21:28:10 <yiati> you can
Feb 11 21:28:10 <drose379> Saying it may not have been instantiated
Feb 11 21:28:17 <yiati> then you didn't instantiate it
Feb 11 21:28:30 <yiati> set it to null if you want to set it later
Feb 11 21:28:35 <shekibobo> yeah, definitely seems to merge the different build directories
Feb 11 21:28:36 <yiati> String[] arrayName = null
Feb 11 21:28:38 <drose379> Right, ok
Feb 11 21:28:46 <yiati> (thumbsup)
Feb 11 21:29:02 <drose379> thanks
Feb 11 21:29:32 <TacticalJoke> Arrays have nice initialization syntax:  String[] array = { "one", "two", "three" };
Feb 11 21:29:32 <drose379> TacticalJoke I havent tested this yet, but wanna check it out?
Feb 11 21:29:38 <TacticalJoke> Okay.
Feb 11 21:30:00 <yiati> javarepl is decent for testing stuff like this
Feb 11 21:30:21 <drose379> Check it: http://pastie.org/9940720
Feb 11 21:31:40 <TacticalJoke> Cool.  I'd probably use a List, though.  Lists are way more flexible.
Feb 11 21:32:02 <groxx> yiati: don't suppose you know of an android-repl?
Feb 11 21:32:17 <drose379> Ok TacticalJoke
Feb 11 21:32:31 <groxx> it would massively increase some of the build/compile/run loops I've got to do today D:
Feb 11 21:32:37 <groxx> increase the speed of*
Feb 11 21:32:51 <yiati> groxx: Nope :P I have a jvm one
Feb 11 21:32:57 <GennadiyM> Hello
Feb 11 21:33:03 <yiati> java in a repl is finicky, but it's nice for simple stuff
Feb 11 21:33:19 <yiati> https://gist.github.com/caseykulm/76637f86cfea0bd77c3e
Feb 11 21:33:20 <groxx> yiati: yeah.  but if I can even get like 5 commands out before having to restart it, it's still likely a big win
Feb 11 21:34:12 <GennadiyM> could someone help me? I'm new to the adroid studio, and it changed versions on me. I need help figuring out the gradle
Feb 11 21:34:23 <JesusFreke> you can make a quick dex file and run it via the command line on the device, just FYI
Feb 11 21:34:55 <JesusFreke> e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10199863/how-to-execute-the-dex-file-in-android-with-command
Feb 11 21:35:33 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  FWIW:  http://pastebin.com/XEgrCSSx
Feb 11 21:35:42 <groxx> JesusFreke: yeah, I was actually looking into that a little while ago... I've wanted to try to build an Android version of PonyDebugger.
Feb 11 21:36:14 <groxx> fwiw I did find Android Studio's "evaluate expression" -> "code fragment mode", which seems to work well enough for my purposes.  I've been meaning to try it out, but it keeps slipping my mind.
Feb 11 21:36:34 <drose379> Thanks TacticalJoke (What does FWIW mean) And, should I be doing <= in the for loop?
Feb 11 21:36:47 <JesusFreke> fwiw = for what it's worth
Feb 11 21:36:59 <Ashiren> forgot where i was
Feb 11 21:37:08 <JesusFreke> on earth.. :)
Feb 11 21:37:22 <TacticalJoke> Less than.  Three values would be 0, 1, 2.  Then you want "less than 3".
Feb 11 21:37:25 <groxx> Ashiren: happens to me too, when I turn on airplane mode and try to go to google maps.
Feb 11 21:37:25 <Ashiren> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/FWIW
Feb 11 21:37:56 <TacticalJoke> Note that the method can also be static.
Feb 11 21:37:58 <TacticalJoke> Forgot that.
Feb 11 21:38:13 <drose379> TacticalJoke so if the ViewGroup has 4 children, their places will be 0 1 2 3
Feb 11 21:38:23 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, it's always 0..n-1.
Feb 11 21:38:27 <drose379> So I actually do not want the <= in there, just the <
Feb 11 21:38:28 <TacticalJoke> Inclusive.
Feb 11 21:38:36 <TacticalJoke> Or 0..n upper-exclusive.
Feb 11 21:38:50 <drose379> Ok, so I will get a NullPointerException if I try to run this
Feb 11 21:39:24 <Ashiren> or array out of bound exception
Feb 11 21:39:42 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, the method actually returns null for out-of-bounds stuff (strangely).
Feb 11 21:39:51 <Ashiren> :o
Feb 11 21:39:58 <drose379> Ok, I also gotta make sure all fields are full
Feb 11 21:40:09 <TacticalJoke> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/master/core/java/android/view/ViewGroup.java#5389
Feb 11 21:41:06 <drose379> Hmm, getting a NullPointerException even when I get rid of =
Feb 11 21:41:32 <TacticalJoke> Because you're not instantiating the array.
Feb 11 21:41:39 <drose379> I did though
Feb 11 21:41:42 <shekibobo> awesome when the example given for the most basic use case doesn't work
Feb 11 21:41:47 <drose379> String[] arrayName = null
Feb 11 21:41:51 <shekibobo> onView(withText("Hello world")).check(isDisplayed());
Feb 11 21:41:55 <TacticalJoke> That doesn't instantiate an array; it just sets a variable.
Feb 11 21:42:03 <drose379> How do i instantiate?
Feb 11 21:42:08 <g00s> thats annoying. if there is a problem with your Manifest, AS shows the generated one  - not your original. so you edit the wrong thing to fix
Feb 11 21:42:18 <TacticalJoke> String[] array = new String[viewGroup.getChildCount()];
Feb 11 21:42:38 <drose379> I thought there was two ways of creating an array
Feb 11 21:42:53 <drose379> Ohh, when you dont immediatley add values, you need to give the size
Feb 11 21:43:17 <TacticalJoke> 'new' creates the array.
Feb 11 21:43:35 <drose379> Ok, so I have to give the size
Feb 11 21:43:38 <drose379> Which is the getcount
Feb 11 21:44:06 <drose379> So array is a class?
Feb 11 21:44:25 <shekibobo> apparently isDisplayed() is a hamcrest matcher, while the check method expects a ViewAssertion...
Feb 11 21:44:30 <TacticalJoke> It's similar, I guess.  It's a special kind of thing.
Feb 11 21:44:47 <drose379> Whats it called
Feb 11 21:45:04 <yiati> drose379: There are nice classes like ArrayList to help with more OOP style arrays, but Object[] is a kind of primitive type
Feb 11 21:45:39 <yiati> not exactly primitive, but not very object oriented. Just a build in Java array construct
Feb 11 21:45:53 <drose379> So String[] extends Object[]
Feb 11 21:46:48 <yiati> yeah
Feb 11 21:47:19 <ldiamond> Anyone know what log file I should look to debug a complete system freeze (I must remove the battery to fix it).
Feb 11 21:48:02 <drose379> Thanks yiati
Feb 11 21:48:11 <yiati> javarepl saves the day again
Feb 11 21:48:13 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  Note that this doesn't apply to generics.  A String[] is an Object[], but a List<String> is not a List<Object>.
Feb 11 21:48:16 <yiati> java> (new String[3]) instanceof Object[]                                                                                                                 │
Feb 11 21:48:19 <yiati> java.lang.Boolean res2 = true
Feb 11 21:48:31 <drose379> Ok
Feb 11 21:53:16 <drose379> TacticalJoke if I have private String[] arrayName
Feb 11 21:53:21 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  On the general topic, I think it's rare to prefer an array to a List.  Lists are just more flexible.
Feb 11 21:53:47 <drose379> Ok, can I assign a String[] to what I posted above
Feb 11 21:54:17 <john67> hello
Feb 11 21:54:42 <TacticalJoke> You can.  It'll copy a reference (pointer) from one variable to another.
Feb 11 21:54:55 <TacticalJoke> Therefore it'll be super-fast regardless of the size of the array in question.
Feb 11 21:55:05 <drose379> Ok, whatre pointers all about? Never really learned about those
Feb 11 21:55:17 <drose379> Any quick way to describe? Or should I look it up
Feb 11 21:55:33 <TacticalJoke> They are variables that don't contain the array (or whatever) but contain a reference to it.  (They contain its address in memory.)
Feb 11 21:55:49 <drose379> Sweet, makes sense
Feb 11 21:55:56 <drose379> Turns out ive been using pointers all along :D
Feb 11 21:56:09 <explodes> Yooo! My list view has a bunch of different elements (4 in this case) and it just misbehaves to all hell; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31677958/vids/device-2015-02-11-145415.mp4
Feb 11 21:56:21 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.  Every variable that is not a primitive type is a reference type (pointer type).
Feb 11 21:56:42 <explodes> The field in question is the edit text that spans the width of the screen
Feb 11 21:57:17 <explodes> Has anyone seen something quite like this before?
Feb 11 21:57:33 <JesusFreke> A pointer is an array index, essentially :)
Feb 11 21:57:46 <JesusFreke> where the array is the memory available to the program
Feb 11 21:57:53 <john67> JesusFreke: u mean this int * toto
Feb 11 21:58:02 <drose379> Got it, thanks guys
Feb 11 21:58:30 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  An important point here is that String is also a reference type.  This is (basically) why we use String.equals rather than == to compare strings.
Feb 11 21:58:41 <TacticalJoke> (Although in theory we shouldn't have to use String.equals.)
Feb 11 21:58:51 <drose379> Ok
Feb 11 21:59:03 <explodes> I think I know the problem;
Feb 11 21:59:08 <drose379> Id love to read into this later, but I gotta go now :(
Feb 11 21:59:09 <TacticalJoke> C# overloads the == operator for string equality.  Makes code much nicer.
Feb 11 21:59:33 <drose379> Right
Feb 11 21:59:47 <drose379> Anyways, im out for now. Thanks for the help
Feb 11 21:59:56 <drose379> Talk to you guys later
Feb 11 21:59:56 <TacticalJoke> Have fun.
Feb 11 22:03:25 <sDurgam> Hi guys i need to display a timeline in my app similar to this (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samruston.weather). I do not see any timeline control in android. Can someone let me know how i can acheive this?
Feb 11 22:04:59 <TacticalJoke> This stuff is 99% noise: http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2vkd1a/whats_the_best_approach_for_documenting/
Feb 11 22:05:11 <TacticalJoke> At least the stuff in the answer.
Feb 11 22:08:41 <newbQ> what setting in AS can I change to make it stop giving me warnings for adding return; to void functions?
Feb 11 22:09:38 <SimonVT> Selecting where it shows the warning and pressing alt+enter should let you disable the inspection
Feb 11 22:10:34 <newbQ> that seems to only give me the option to remove the statement giving the warning
Feb 11 22:11:19 <yiati> newbQ: Also what warnings is it giving you? If it's a valid usage it shouldn't complain
Feb 11 22:11:33 <newbQ> oops,  no. that worked.  I didnt see the extra arrow for more options the first time
Feb 11 22:11:36 <TacticalJoke> Are you adding 'return' to the end?
Feb 11 22:12:03 <newbQ> yiati: having an unnecessary return statement on a void function
Feb 11 22:12:16 <yiati> you could just get rid of the return statement then
Feb 11 22:12:17 <TacticalJoke> If it's warning you, you're probably doing something wrong.
Feb 11 22:12:19 <yiati> :D
Feb 11 22:12:32 <jaana_> Well, not wrong, just stylistically questionable
Feb 11 22:12:52 <TacticalJoke> Same in my eyes.  :D
Feb 11 22:12:59 <yiati> ^
Feb 11 22:13:10 <yiati> We're cool cats here, with cool code
Feb 11 22:13:12 <newbQ> I like seeing the return there.  I just want the IDE to stop telling me its unnecessary.  I know it is.  I just like seeing it
Feb 11 22:13:22 <yiati> lol whatever floats your goat
Feb 11 22:14:03 <yiati> I promise you the method will return without it though
Feb 11 22:14:15 <newbQ> I know it does.
Feb 11 22:14:20 <yiati> I know you know
Feb 11 22:14:31 <TacticalJoke> It's probably better to get used to good Java code (which doesn't use unnecessary returns).
Feb 11 22:14:52 <newbQ> its more a check that I am finished writing that particular function
Feb 11 22:15:35 <yiati> I was in a code base once that had comments before and after every method announcing "//function start", "//function end"
Feb 11 22:15:39 <TacticalJoke> But you'll come back soon when there's a bug or whatever.
Feb 11 22:15:41 <TacticalJoke> It's never finished, really.
Feb 11 22:15:42 <yiati> It was insanse
Feb 11 22:15:51 <TacticalJoke> yiati:  Ugh, I hate that.
Feb 11 22:15:55 <yiati> and "//class start", "//class end"
Feb 11 22:16:12 <jaana_> yiati: probably hints for the IDE (which is pretty stupid) or maybe some external tool
Feb 11 22:16:15 <TacticalJoke> I used to hate 'begin' and 'end' in Delphi.  That was bad enough.
Feb 11 22:16:34 <jaana_> Or maybe an emacs user
Feb 11 22:16:44 <yiati> Yeah I'm sure it was just someone who was use to language like that not willing to get used to the Java way of doing things
Feb 11 22:16:48 <newbQ> is having unnecessary statements really bad coding if it's basically ignored by the compiler and helps the coder in some way?
Feb 11 22:17:04 <yiati> Every language has it's style, and it really helps the community to learn the patterns
Feb 11 22:17:41 <jaana_> newbQ: It’s fine if you don’t abuse it, e.g. early aborts/returns are fine with me. Multiple return points in a function, less so
Feb 11 22:17:43 <GennadiyM> can someone help a complete newb?
Feb 11 22:17:58 <TacticalJoke> jaana_:  He's talking about unnecessary returns.
Feb 11 22:18:08 <TacticalJoke> public void foo() { doSomething(); return; }
Feb 11 22:18:13 <TacticalJoke> It's just noise.  Harms readability.
Feb 11 22:18:19 <panda81> Hi. Apks are pretty easy to decompile right
Feb 11 22:18:23 <jaana_> I thought it was more if (foo) { blah; return } function continues here
Feb 11 22:18:39 <newbQ> enhances the readability to me, TacticalJoke
Feb 11 22:18:42 <yiati> newbQ: There are better debates to waste time on, and if you don't know conventions sure whatever, but ignoring known conventions while typing is counter-productive
Feb 11 22:19:45 <yiati> newbQ: Once java dies and we are all on different languages, I hope none of us here religiously carry over comfortable java practices that conflict with the style of that language
Feb 11 22:20:10 <newbQ> the thing about conventions is that they arent mandatory and you can pick and choose which one work best for you.
Feb 11 22:20:21 <pfn> java isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Feb 11 22:20:37 <yiati> Yeah I know, but people come and go from language individually
Feb 11 22:20:47 <bmcdermott-work> well, best for you and whoever may read your code in the future
Feb 11 22:21:04 <yiati> I'm not going to go into C code and use camel case
Feb 11 22:21:16 <TacticalJoke> jaana_:  IntelliJ wouldn't warn about that.
Feb 11 22:23:00 <newbQ> I always have trouble staying consistent with using camel case and underscores
Feb 11 22:23:45 <pfn> learn to use the language idiomatic ally
Feb 11 22:24:07 <pfn> make that the goal of any language you work in
Feb 11 22:24:41 * yiati searches for programming language called "idiomatic ally"
Feb 11 22:25:49 <newbQ> in reference to camel case vs underscores?  I've been taught both ways for each language I've learned so far by different people.
Feb 11 22:26:10 <boxmein> anyway
Feb 11 22:26:15 <boxmein> I wanna develop a pluggable android app
Feb 11 22:26:24 <boxmein> that you can add/remove modules from
Feb 11 22:26:52 <boxmein> what is the proper way of doing this, and what is the most decent implying the modules are not going to be distributed over the play store, but via simple web download
Feb 11 22:26:52 <bmcdermott-work> lol did you just join the channel and start with "anyway"
Feb 11 22:27:01 <bmcdermott-work> bold move
Feb 11 22:27:25 <g00s> heh
Feb 11 22:27:29 <boxmein> lol
Feb 11 22:27:37 <boxmein> just asserting my dominance
Feb 11 22:27:44 <boxmein> hey, at least i'm not peeing on my keyboard
Feb 11 22:27:53 <yiati> we don't know that
Feb 11 22:28:02 <boxmein> good point
Feb 11 22:28:02 <bmcdermott-work> it was actually perfect timing :)
Feb 11 22:28:18 <boxmein> yiati: typing is all splashy now
Feb 11 22:28:25 <boxmein> bmcdermott-work: lol
Feb 11 22:28:44 <TacticalJoke> yiati:  That's a good point about carrying stuff over.  I'm looking at Kotlin right now and finding myself mentally trying to Java-ify stuff.
Feb 11 22:28:51 <TacticalJoke> I should embrace the change.
Feb 11 22:28:59 <boxmein> my research shows that people generally want to recommend intents to fire up other apps that do what you wanna plug
Feb 11 22:29:13 <boxmein> or alternatively by making android libraries that you have to add as dependencies in the main app
Feb 11 22:29:22 <boxmein> .....both of them sound bollocksy
Feb 11 22:29:35 <yiati> TacticalJoke: Yeah, like I said it's not THE most important thing that you should research endlessly before moving forward with a language, but once you're aware of it, try using it
Feb 11 22:30:04 <yiati> TacticalJoke: How are you liking Kotlin
Feb 11 22:30:18 <TacticalJoke> It's satisfyingly concise.  :)
Feb 11 22:30:43 <TacticalJoke> I'm still unsure about the single-constructor thing with regard to custom Views, though.
Feb 11 22:31:34 <pablq> resolved my earlier problems: set margin to relative value programmatically => actually avoided this and made layout more efficient by adding padding to parent layout element intstead of margin on inside elements... xmlpullparser skips field with html elements => brushed up on regex and cleaned up the input string before passing it to the parser
Feb 11 22:31:44 <TacticalJoke> I think the thing about programmers is that we are very flexible.  A lot of people have used awful languages for years without much complaint (at least once the Stockholm syndrome settles in).
Feb 11 22:32:20 <jaana_> I started with BASIC, I like to think I turned out ok
Feb 11 22:32:36 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I started with QBASIC.
Feb 11 22:32:39 <TacticalJoke> I loved it at the time.
Feb 11 22:32:52 <g00s> i crack up when we talk about how awful java is - when android is just as awful or moreso
Feb 11 22:33:15 <g00s> yeah, i dont like my language but i'm using the crap ass platform
Feb 11 22:33:20 <TacticalJoke> IMO, Java, even though it's far from perfect, is one of the highlights of this platform.
Feb 11 22:33:27 <TacticalJoke> Imagine if we had to use C++ or something.  Ugh.
Feb 11 22:33:39 <myke> java is frowing on me
Feb 11 22:33:43 <TacticalJoke> Or Objective-C.
Feb 11 22:33:44 <myke> growing
Feb 11 22:33:53 <TacticalJoke> Then again, the "it could be worse" argument isn't a good one.
Feb 11 22:33:54 <myke> having real exceptions in a vm is pretty huge, really
Feb 11 22:34:10 <myke> instead of "welp something went wrong in the baseline hardware machine, can't do much!"
Feb 11 22:34:19 <TacticalJoke> God, I'd hate if we had to use JavaScript.
Feb 11 22:34:28 <TacticalJoke> I would probably move to Windows Phone.
Feb 11 22:34:42 <g00s> TacticalJoke what if you could use Kotlin.js or Scla.js ?
Feb 11 22:34:46 <g00s> *Scala.js
Feb 11 22:34:47 <TacticalJoke> True.  haha
Feb 11 22:34:57 <TacticalJoke> I'd do a 180 on my views on Kotlin support JS.
Feb 11 22:35:06 <TacticalJoke> supporting*
Feb 11 22:35:17 <TacticalJoke> Though TypeScript looks nice.
Feb 11 22:37:06 <newbQ> I started out with BASIC on my TI-83 calculator.  I had some really cool stuff on it.  I was crushed when I found out the connector on mine was busted and I couldnt keep any of the programs
Feb 11 22:37:25 <TacticalJoke> I had a TI-83 in college.  :)
Feb 11 22:37:38 <TacticalJoke> Also a TI-84, I think.
Feb 11 22:37:44 <yiati> I still have my HP RPN from High School math team
Feb 11 22:37:52 <jaana_> HP 41 ftw
Feb 11 22:38:23 <theblang> I think I'm falling in love with material design.  https://events.google.com/io2015/
Feb 11 22:38:47 <yiati> Will it be your valentine?
Feb 11 22:38:59 <theblang> I wish, I bet it would be a cheaper date
Feb 11 22:39:09 <TacticalJoke> There's a rubber-band noise thing.
Feb 11 22:39:11 <newbQ> As a graduation present, my brother got me a TI Nspire CX.  the one with colors, backlit screen, and rechargeable battery.  I havent used it since I got it.
Feb 11 22:39:29 <TacticalJoke> newbQ:  See, you're old-school.  That means no unnecessary returns!  :D
Feb 11 22:39:49 <newbQ> TacticalJoke: It was the way I was taught!
Feb 11 22:40:19 <g00s> any kotlin users know if this is fixed yet? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/adt-dev/vhjDsuQmG7w
Feb 11 22:40:20 <TacticalJoke> In which language?
Feb 11 22:40:33 <yiati> jaana_: I have a 32s II
Feb 11 22:40:43 <newbQ> I was taught the return on voids in Java
Feb 11 22:41:03 <newbQ> sometime back in high school
Feb 11 22:41:39 <TacticalJoke> That's just a bad lesson, newbQ.
Feb 11 22:42:13 <yiati> return in voids are necessary for short circuiting a function, but I don't think stylistically I've seen it otherwise
Feb 11 22:42:18 <yiati> hence AS complaining
Feb 11 22:42:43 <TacticalJoke> The stack trace in that Google Groups post nearly gave me a seizure.
Feb 11 22:43:39 <newbQ> number pickers are in the expert section?  crap.
Feb 11 22:44:14 <jaana_> Avoiding void is also a good rule of thumb to try to follow
Feb 11 22:45:26 <newbQ> I wish my college had a class for android development...
Feb 11 22:45:55 <newbQ> cause right now, I'm just using a bunch of voids
Feb 11 22:46:48 <groxx> newbQ: there's this: https://www.coursera.org/specialization/mobilecloudcomputing2/36
Feb 11 22:47:21 <TacticalJoke> I don't agree that we should avoid 'void' methods a lot.  Refactoring code into short, easy-to-read methods often means using a lot of void methods (at least private ones).
Feb 11 22:47:35 <TacticalJoke> Unless you're talking about public void methods.  Then I guess there's a point to be made.
Feb 11 22:48:28 <newbQ> groxx: thanks.  I'll look into that
Feb 11 22:48:59 <groxx> I think the first one might be the same as the android course released a while back?  I wasn't too impressed with it, but it did expose you to a lot of pieces.
Feb 11 22:49:18 <groxx> a longer version with a bit more of "why" instead of "what" could be pretty good
Feb 11 22:49:47 <newbQ> brb, changing all my functions from public to private
Feb 11 22:53:00 <jaana_> TacticalJoke: It’s just easier to reason about your code if it doesn’t keep doing side effects
Feb 11 22:53:22 <jaana_> (also much easier to test)
Feb 11 22:54:11 <pfn> g00s, I find it funny how you hate on the platform endlessly
Feb 11 22:54:11 <pfn> much more hilarious than anything else that goes on
Feb 11 22:54:52 <g00s> i'll take the exit when i can. not much choice between android and iOS
Feb 11 22:54:58 <pfn> too bad working with android means all side. effects all the time
Feb 11 22:55:02 <Mavrik> pfn, why, don't you just love reading the documentation to newbies? :P
Feb 11 22:55:07 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, but extracting some private methods (especially void ones) can significantly improve readability.  And IMO we shouldn't be testing the private stuff; just the API.
Feb 11 22:55:11 <pfn> Mavrik, I don't
Feb 11 22:55:23 <Mavrik> g00s, well you can always become a web developer
Feb 11 22:55:32 <g00s> nooooo
Feb 11 22:55:41 <Mavrik> yeeeeeeeeeesss
Feb 11 22:55:45 <Mavrik> feel the javascripts!
Feb 11 22:55:50 <Mavrik> the css box models!
Feb 11 22:55:59 <Mavrik> all the webkits and tridents!
Feb 11 22:58:00 <adq> and the browser fragmentation :)) (everyworlds got their fragments)
Feb 11 22:58:43 <TacticalJoke> Desktop Linux is the best (worst) example of fragmentation.
Feb 11 23:00:35 <pfn> yeah, there is never an exit
Feb 11 23:00:42 <pfn> love what you do, or don't do it
Feb 11 23:01:06 <Mavrik> true
Feb 11 23:01:06 <groxx> especially true in Android, where System.exit() doesn't even kill your process
Feb 11 23:01:19 <Mavrik> but there is a therapeutic to bitch about the stupidities
Feb 11 23:02:24 <g00s> groxx i thought it did, but it wasn't recommended :)
Feb 11 23:03:00 <groxx> g00s: it acts like throwing an exception.  e.g. if you have two activities on the stack, it'll just pop off the top one.  (actually, I've never checked if that kills -> restores, or if it just pops.  hm....)
Feb 11 23:03:04 <Eppiox> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ 40 seconds until launch
Feb 11 23:03:05 <Mavrik> yeah, people probably started using that instead of finish()
Feb 11 23:03:07 <Mavrik> :P
Feb 11 23:03:30 * g00s straps pfn to the rocket
Feb 11 23:04:17 <yiati> lol just tried System.exit(-1) in the onCreate of my Application class
Feb 11 23:04:27 <yiati> it closes the app out the second it opens
Feb 11 23:04:34 <yiati> Never tried that before
Feb 11 23:04:37 <groxx> yeah, it works like you'd expect in there
Feb 11 23:04:42 <groxx> but not in activities
Feb 11 23:05:00 <yiati> Yeah probably, dalvik takes over
Feb 11 23:05:31 <adq> exit with 0 instead of -1
Feb 11 23:05:40 <groxx> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ one more for the "wait, what?" pile.
Feb 11 23:05:47 <adq> cause -1 indicates an error, it (dalvik?) might relaunches the app
Feb 11 23:06:02 <yiati> adq: Yep, I wanted to try to exit with error out of curiosity
Feb 11 23:06:04 <adq> but it's highly not recommanded as already pointed out, to use system.exit
Feb 11 23:06:24 <adq> problem is with thread.. on rare occasions i did not find any other solution
Feb 11 23:06:30 <groxx> (all this, because I failed to make a joke about "there is never an exit" D: )
Feb 11 23:06:35 <adq> surfaceview + thread ;(
Feb 11 23:06:51 <adq> *that escalated quickly*
Feb 11 23:06:55 <groxx> indeed
Feb 11 23:06:58 <Mavrik> System.reboot().
Feb 11 23:07:05 <adq> need a permission for that :)
Feb 11 23:07:09 <g00s> groxx you were just inadvertently pointing out not much on android works as expected :D
Feb 11 23:07:39 <Mavrik> I always expect stuff to not work as expected.
Feb 11 23:07:43 <Mavrik> So it works as expected.
Feb 11 23:07:45 <adq> System.exec on chmod because externalstorage and permission makes things very private
Feb 11 23:07:48 <TacticalJoke> Expectation will lead to disaster on Android.
Feb 11 23:07:51 <yiati> Seems like System.exit(0) and System.exit(-1) in onCreate of the main activity also exit the app
Feb 11 23:07:57 <groxx> android: the spanish inquisition of programming
Feb 11 23:08:09 <yiati> anyways enough of that jazz
Feb 11 23:08:14 <adq> ^
Feb 11 23:08:20 <Mavrik> You don't program Android, you manupulate, ambush and fight it to do what you want :P
Feb 11 23:08:29 <adq> android: a hello world in _1_ week
Feb 11 23:08:36 <TacticalJoke> haha
Feb 11 23:08:43 <g00s> Mavrik for each device out there :)
Feb 11 23:08:44 <jonez> only a week?! ;)
Feb 11 23:09:00 <adq> :))
Feb 11 23:09:31 <adq> it's the only platform where there is so much things (like life but it's not life) which got in the middle and prevent you to fulfill your objective (like coding)
Feb 11 23:09:42 <pfn> http://m.slashdot.org/story/213465
Feb 11 23:09:45 <pfn> huehuehue
Feb 11 23:10:16 <groxx> "new research shows what everyone already knew"
Feb 11 23:10:17 <TacticalJoke> That's the thing about Android.  A quick 30-minute thing turns into two weeks.
Feb 11 23:10:19 <g00s> if Java is mostly fluff, maybe an OS built on it is also
Feb 11 23:10:43 <adq> we're in a therapy session right now, don't you feel it :)
Feb 11 23:10:47 <g00s> can you build good stuff with bad ingredients :)
Feb 11 23:10:52 <g00s> probably not
Feb 11 23:10:53 * adq feels much better
Feb 11 23:11:10 <TacticalJoke> Then after two weeks you're one of the only people in existence who know how to do that particular thing.
Feb 11 23:11:24 <Mavrik> Well, that's why you can charge ridiculus prices :P
Feb 11 23:11:39 <groxx> win/win
Feb 11 23:11:41 <Mavrik> "5000000000$ per 100 lines of code!"
Feb 11 23:11:53 <g00s> as long as the iOS guys aren't more productive :)
Feb 11 23:12:04 <adq> weird, i don't earn so much with my indie paid apps ;)
Feb 11 23:12:06 <groxx> g00s: they're too busy restarting xcode
Feb 11 23:12:12 <Mavrik> so basically this: http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/crying-money-woody-harrelson-zombieland.gif
Feb 11 23:12:31 <Mavrik> g00s, well they now have autolayout
Feb 11 23:12:34 <Mavrik> poor bastards.
Feb 11 23:12:56 <groxx> not an autolayout fan?
Feb 11 23:13:17 <Mavrik> It's... horrible.
Feb 11 23:13:24 <groxx> I sorta view it as the admission that their XIB files suck for everyone involved
Feb 11 23:13:55 <groxx> (I got out of iOS programming shortly after autolayout appeared, never got deep into using it)
Feb 11 23:15:09 <Mavrik> You use ascii art strings to describe layout.
Feb 11 23:15:36 <Mavrik> NSArray *constraint_POS = [NSLayoutConstraint constraintsWithVisualFormat:@"H:|-20-[redView]-10-[yellowView]" ...
Feb 11 23:15:44 <adq> *.*
Feb 11 23:16:50 <groxx> yeah.  a stringy cassowary constraint solver.  in principle it seems nice.
Feb 11 23:17:02 <TacticalJoke> Everything about Objective-C is ugly.  From start to finish.
Feb 11 23:17:08 <TacticalJoke> On a side note.
Feb 11 23:17:43 <Mavrik> groxx, our guys always had trouble maintaining that code
Feb 11 23:17:54 <Mavrik> but I guess that's the best they could do with what they have
Feb 11 23:18:15 <groxx> Mavrik: yeah, believable.  it gives you lots of ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
Feb 11 23:19:23 <groxx> I feel like it's a better approach than RelativeLayout's xml stuff though.  and pretty significantly more powerful (for good and bad)
Feb 11 23:20:41 <s73v3r> why were they writing it in code?
Feb 11 23:20:56 <s73v3r> and if they were, why weren’t they using something like Masonry to make it somewhat sane?
Feb 11 23:21:02 <adq> the only constraint solver i used was with the b-method (even forced to use emacs) and it cannot be elegant by design.. but we would have so much less bugs if everything was built on formal methods
Feb 11 23:22:06 <myke> not everything can be built on formal methods
Feb 11 23:22:55 <Mavrik> I love formal methods. I love the sound they make as they whoosh into the trash can.
Feb 11 23:23:00 <adq> lol
Feb 11 23:24:23 <adq> myke, because not everything can be proven?
Feb 11 23:25:50 <g00s> adq prove it!
Feb 11 23:27:06 <adq> I did not advance enough in maths for that :p (i'm thinking of Gödel)
Feb 11 23:28:26 <TacticalJoke> Is there a way to set a Toolbar's navigation icon colour without creating a new image?
Feb 11 23:28:32 <TacticalJoke> Seems that Android does this somehow under the hood.
Feb 11 23:28:42 <adq> iirc it's a decidability problem, sometimes you cannot know how many solutions there is, if there is none, sometimes you cannot really know how much time you will need to find if there is or not a solution
Feb 11 23:28:55 <adq> and also how much time it would take you to find _1_ solution if you know there is
Feb 11 23:28:57 <Levite> backgroundTint maybe? that's only available with 21+ though
Feb 11 23:29:05 <adq> empirism helps to solve that, but it's not a proof
Feb 11 23:29:18 <TacticalJoke> Ah.  Running on <21 here.
Feb 11 23:29:35 <TacticalJoke> Maybe I should just set minSdkVersion to 21 and make my life easier.  :D
Feb 11 23:29:55 <Levite> porter duff something something
Feb 11 23:31:47 <lasserix> Is it possible to have picasso load from disk cache if network is offline?
Feb 11 23:32:01 <JakeWharton> it does that
Feb 11 23:37:40 <TacticalJoke> When switching to AppCompat, should I be using non-Android resources as much as possible?  e.g., for stuff such as 'textAppearanceListItemSmall'.
Feb 11 23:38:00 <TacticalJoke> Using ?attr/textAppearanceListItemSmall instead of ?android:attr/textAppearanceListItemSmall.
Feb 11 23:38:06 <tricknology> can we send protected prodcasts?
Feb 11 23:38:44 <TacticalJoke> And stuff such as listPreferredItemPaddingLeft.
Feb 11 23:39:05 <Levite> I don't like using those because they can change with the skin
Feb 11 23:40:18 <TacticalJoke> Using which?
Feb 11 23:40:30 <adq> depending the oem/rom too, you never know, better reference yourself
Feb 11 23:40:42 <tricknology> android.intent.action.HEADSET_PLUG
Feb 11 23:41:25 <TacticalJoke> The non-"android" ones change with the skin?
Feb 11 23:43:18 <TacticalJoke> Trying to understand what you mean.
Feb 11 23:43:18 <Levite> oh, the android ones do
Feb 11 23:43:31 <Levite> I just prefer to use my own styles or hardcode them
Feb 11 23:43:37 <Levite> so samsung can't shit on my app
Feb 11 23:44:09 <Levite> I think you lose some functionality too, since users can enable large text modes and such
Feb 11 23:44:15 <Levite> which is a drawback
Feb 11 23:45:02 <TacticalJoke> Wouldn't using 'sp' take that into account?#
Feb 11 23:46:34 <adq> yes it does
Feb 11 23:46:39 <Levite> supposedly, yeah
Feb 11 23:46:43 <groxx> tricknology: does `adb shell am broadcast <whatever>` allow you to?
Feb 11 23:46:57 <groxx> or maybe as root / in an emulator?
Feb 11 23:47:12 <tricknology> groxx, I tried it and I get denial
Feb 11 23:47:16 <TacticalJoke> Am I right in assuming that AppCompat defines basically all of those ?attr:android things?
Feb 11 23:47:17 <tricknology> well I tried it from the app
Feb 11 23:47:34 <tricknology> core/res/AndroidManifest.xml has <protected-broadcast android:name="android.intent.action.HEADSET_PLUG" />
Feb 11 23:47:35 <g00s> TacticalJoke you'll have to look through tha appcompat attr file
Feb 11 23:47:44 <groxx> try it from the console?  you're a different user there at least
Feb 11 23:47:50 <tricknology> just wondering if there was any way to get aroudn that
Feb 11 23:47:56 <g00s> TacticalJoke better take some LSD first
Feb 11 23:48:21 <tricknology> no need, groxx. I figure if i have to go that far then I’m doing somehting wrong
Feb 11 23:48:37 <tricknology> (so far as to send that broadcast)
Feb 11 23:48:41 <groxx> tricknology: dunno.  for dev purposes I usually abstract out the behavior (so my receivers are nearly empty), and then add a temporary broadcast receiver that's easy to trigger e.g. via am broadcast that just forwards to it.
Feb 11 23:49:03 <tricknology> ah i see, thanks
Feb 11 23:49:18 <TacticalJoke> If I had dropped acid before switching to AppCompat it might've been more fun.
Feb 11 23:49:37 <groxx> also makes it easy to hook up a button that just calls 'EventHandler.onEvent(whatever, data, necessary)'
Feb 11 23:50:08 <TacticalJoke> I'm working on the assumption that any attr I can see in AppCompat won't suddenly disappear someday.
Feb 11 23:50:16 <g00s> TacticalJoke maybe more likely to have a bad trip though
Feb 11 23:50:32 <tricknology> who would ever want to sit and code after dosing?
Feb 11 23:50:53 <g00s> tricknology its the only way android could make sense
Feb 11 23:51:02 <tricknology> lol
Feb 11 23:51:03 <TacticalJoke> 95% of issues are just the lack of documentation, it seems to me.
Feb 11 23:51:16 <tricknology> at least it’s OS
Feb 11 23:51:33 <TacticalJoke> I don't even care if something is hard to implement.  I just want a guarantee that it'll be supported in future.
Feb 11 23:51:49 <adq> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Feb 11 23:51:51 <adq> oops
Feb 11 23:56:07 <g00s> lol https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=144576
Feb 11 23:56:34 <g00s> 2 people even starred it haha
Feb 11 23:58:34 <TacticalJoke> "Truly, This is not issue."
Feb 11 23:59:10 <tricknology> love it when you ask for an SDK and they send a .STEP file and pdfs
Feb 11 23:59:24 <tricknology> (CAD stuff)
Feb 12 00:00:55 <tricknology> lol g00s, that looks like an answer you’d get in ##java
Feb 12 00:02:22 <TacticalJoke> Not before they've insulted you, used the bot against you, and banned you.
Feb 12 00:02:54 <adq> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=31339 this one is embarrassing :)
Feb 12 00:03:22 <adq> finally assigned by jbq who left to yahoo in the meantime, surprisingly not obsolete
Feb 12 00:04:11 <TacticalJoke> I so want this fixed: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=136013
Feb 12 00:04:52 <adq> i'm on this one: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434 2009 to 2015..
Feb 12 00:05:32 <adq> looks like "real" (cause many major version of android claimer a bump in lowering the latency, but not really in fact) low latency will never happen
Feb 12 00:05:42 <adq> claimed*
Feb 12 00:09:19 <TacticalJoke> Just noticed -- the one I posted has a critical priority now.  ;o
Feb 12 00:10:00 <adq> lucky you :p
Feb 12 00:27:03 <matt_j> well
Feb 12 00:27:13 <matt_j> I just spent 20 minutes making a better front page for the dictionary.com app
Feb 12 00:27:20 <matt_j> good thing they hired me!
Feb 12 00:32:55 <Guest9580> Hi everyone :) :) :)
Feb 12 00:36:47 <DYnamo_> Hi ALL =)
Feb 12 00:37:03 <DYnamo_> How's everyone doing this wonderful evening?
Feb 12 00:39:48 <groxx> killing and burying my failed expectations ಠ_ಠ
Feb 12 00:40:24 <lewellyn> infanticide is a thing?
Feb 12 00:43:26 <groxx> sometimes it's necessary.
Feb 12 00:45:25 <g00s> groxx which experiment ?
Feb 12 00:45:54 <g00s> oh, expectations
Feb 12 00:46:29 <groxx> eh, just discovering that my tower of sanity had an incorrect foundation.  gotta tear it down.
Feb 12 00:49:03 <groxx> does anyone know what e.g. a Note's split-screen mode does to getGlobalVisibleRect?  or other 'get view/window/display rect' methods?
Feb 12 00:50:55 <lasserix> So i have a fragment view pager, usually size will be ~ 10-20 or so. each page contains a bunch of (static) views that are loaded after a get request (each takes 1-2s) is performed. Is it safe to proactively perform ALL the get requests as opposed to lazily doing it (since the viewpager will automatically do it for left and right of current?)
Feb 12 01:01:33 <lasserix> Does a priority queue do its comparison each call to poll?
Feb 12 01:02:14 <groxx> most priority queues I see are built off heaps
Feb 12 01:03:01 <lasserix> So how often is the compartor used?
Feb 12 01:03:04 <groxx> in which case: there are limited compares done when adding/removing, but peeking at the top item should "free"
Feb 12 01:05:40 <groxx> basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EreoMaOBTzE
Feb 12 01:06:27 <lasserix> thanks
Feb 12 01:19:19 <groxx> anyone have a samsung note that could test something for me?  just logging some view/display/screen metrics.
Feb 12 01:19:58 <lasserix> http://thenextweb.com/dd/2014/04/08/ux-designers-side-drawer-navigation-costing-half-user-engagement/
Feb 12 01:23:06 <g00s> lasserix that was almost a year ago, people probably expect more now
Feb 12 01:23:29 <lasserix> maybe
Feb 12 01:23:36 <groxx> gotta say I side with the comments that say the teeny triple-bars are barely visible, and that's probably part of the cause.  the hamburger -> back-arrow is way more visibly "this does something".
Feb 12 01:23:39 <lasserix> hmm i have side menu + view pager
Feb 12 01:24:05 <groxx> but "out of sight, out of mind" is extremely true.  you want the valuable stuff in sight.
Feb 12 01:24:27 <groxx> that hasn't changed in ever though.
Feb 12 01:25:20 <lewellyn> groxx: which version of note?
Feb 12 01:25:46 <groxx> lewellyn: anything.  just curious what the split-screen does to getGlobalVisibleRect and display metrics.
Feb 12 01:26:01 <lewellyn> do you have a test app handy?
Feb 12 01:26:05 <groxx> nope :|
Feb 12 01:26:08 <lewellyn> :P
Feb 12 01:26:11 <groxx> I can copy/paste some code though
Feb 12 01:26:23 <groxx> could probably make an app quickly.
Feb 12 01:26:25 <lewellyn> my work laptop isn't really usable for "work" atm.
Feb 12 01:26:36 * lewellyn glares at "security policy"
Feb 12 01:27:08 <groxx> lemme see what I can do
Feb 12 01:28:42 <DadFoundMy> i cant figure out the best way to add an ArrayList to sqlite after like 1.5 hours of googling. how do you guys like to do it?
Feb 12 01:36:56 <groxx> lewellyn: http://cl.ly/0l2c2x122E2z
Feb 12 01:37:12 <lewellyn> lemme go grab a device.
Feb 12 01:37:38 <groxx> it's pretty crappy, it infinite loops, but it prints two rects that should update whenever the screen updates.
Feb 12 01:42:09 <groxx> hm.  I suppose I could've just logged it, might have been easier to copy the text :\ though at least this way you can see what happens as you play with it.
Feb 12 01:44:29 <groxx> lewellyn: basically I'm curious if either rect reacts to changing the splitscreen size (can you do that?), and how.  e.g. does it seem to be based off its "window" and the move together, or does one or both seem to be based off the device display and is unaffected?
Feb 12 01:46:04 <lewellyn> to be honest, i usually keep the multiwindow stuff turned off. i have to figure out how to use it now :D
Feb 12 01:46:23 <groxx> heh
Feb 12 01:46:45 <groxx> yeah, that and "floating window mode" in some roms causes some weird behaviors in apps.  I'm curious if I can handle one or both based on this info.
Feb 12 01:47:52 <lewellyn> groxx: your app is incompatible with samsung multiwindow. dragging an app out of the drawer full-screens it.
Feb 12 01:48:08 <groxx> huh.  do you have to do something to support it?
Feb 12 01:48:14 <lewellyn> i think so. sec.
Feb 12 01:48:48 <lewellyn> here. :) http://developer.samsung.com/galaxy#multiwindow
Feb 12 01:49:56 <groxx> ugh. a whole sdk.
Feb 12 01:50:08 <groxx> I found a mention of a few magic attributes, going to try adding them briefly
Feb 12 01:51:35 <lewellyn> i keep thinking it'd be cool to play with and support multiwindow. but i just haven't had any use case pop into my head.
Feb 12 01:53:22 <g00s> seems like a feature google would want to add to aosp
Feb 12 01:53:33 <groxx> lewellyn: round 2? http://cl.ly/1W1N120d230b
Feb 12 01:57:12 <lewellyn> that one says "1W1N" in it. i have high hopes ;)
Feb 12 01:57:32 <Napalm> lewellyn:
Feb 12 01:57:39 <Napalm> lewellyn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17513502/support-for-multi-window-app-development/17514132#17514132
Feb 12 01:57:48 <lewellyn> Napalm: point it at groxx, not me. :)
Feb 12 01:57:55 <Napalm> groxx
Feb 12 01:57:57 <gaganchd2000> I am trying to set a profile value for BLE
Feb 12 01:58:07 <Napalm> i wrote that answer sometime ago
Feb 12 01:58:10 <Napalm> should help
Feb 12 01:58:48 <groxx> Napalm: yeah, I found something like that too: http://www.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/developers-add-support-for-samsung-multi-window-to-your-apps-r823
Feb 12 01:58:53 <gaganchd2000> yes but i am getting errror in that
Feb 12 01:58:54 <groxx> hopefully mine will work too
Feb 12 01:58:54 <lewellyn> groxx: the top number changes appropriately, the bottom number stays static.
Feb 12 01:58:58 <gaganchd2000> BluetoothGattService Service = mBluetoothGatt.getService(UUID.fromString(SampleGattAttributes.UUID_RFDUINO));
Feb 12 01:59:21 <gaganchd2000> when exectued this goes to exception
Feb 12 01:59:28 <groxx> lewellyn: cool.  does it work in 'free' mode too?
Feb 12 01:59:45 <groxx> (top is getGlobalVisibleRect, bottom is based on display metrics)
Feb 12 01:59:49 <lewellyn> tbh, i'm not quite sure what all the modes are. i resized the window. :)
Feb 12 01:59:53 <groxx> haha
Feb 12 02:00:13 <groxx> if you switch it so it's on the right or bottom, does the top one offset one of the first two values?
Feb 12 02:00:29 <groxx> the ints are (left, top - right, bottom)
Feb 12 02:00:36 <gaganchd2000> target = {java.lang.NullPointerException@3742}"java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'android.bluetooth.BluetoothGattService android.bluetooth.BluetoothGatt.getService(java.util.UUID)' on a null object reference"
Feb 12 02:01:02 <gaganchd2000> It saya attempt to invoke virtual method
Feb 12 02:01:18 <gaganchd2000> what does this means ?
Feb 12 02:01:32 <groxx> gaganchd2000: it means you tried to call .getService on a null object
Feb 12 02:02:09 <lewellyn> groxx: i can only figure out how to put your app on the top or bottom, not side-by-side. in both cases, only the final number (sizeY, i assume) changes.
Feb 12 02:02:43 <gaganchd2000> I have defined object as private BluetoothGatt mBluetoothGatt;
Feb 12 02:02:55 <groxx> lewellyn: probably rotating the phone sideways puts them side-by-side?  but odds are it'll behave the same.
Feb 12 02:03:49 <lewellyn> groxx: yes, that makes the (assumed) sizeX change.
Feb 12 02:03:53 <lewellyn> only the top row.
Feb 12 02:03:53 <gaganchd2000> do I have to add something else also ?
Feb 12 02:04:24 <groxx> sizex / sizey would be right-left and bottom-top respectively
Feb 12 02:04:39 <groxx> the rect is just the bounds
Feb 12 02:05:01 <lewellyn> vertically, the last number of the top row changes. horizontally, the penultimate number of the top row changes.
Feb 12 02:05:17 <lewellyn> i am not able, for various reasons, to provide you screenshots at this moment.
Feb 12 02:05:26 <groxx> that's fine :)  this is quite helpful
Feb 12 02:06:11 <groxx> I think I've got it.  thanks!  it's what i was hoping for anyway
Feb 12 02:07:31 <lewellyn> :)
Feb 12 02:07:44 <lewellyn> i'll be back around later, if you have a more complete apk you want me to test for you.
Feb 12 02:08:18 <groxx> nah, that's all I needed. that code probably won't live on my computer for more than tonight.
Feb 12 02:08:35 <lewellyn> :)
Feb 12 02:09:04 <lewellyn> you could github it in a groxx-samples repo or something, so others can see how to avoid the sdk in a trivial app? :)
Feb 12 02:10:26 <groxx> Napalm's link looks like all that's necessary.  just needed to find the magic google combination
Feb 12 02:12:25 <gaganchd2000> here is the code  http://pastebin.com/JQP6Hdr2
Feb 12 02:13:19 <lewellyn> groxx: i'm just trying to help your github-juice is all ;)
Feb 12 02:14:12 <groxx> lewellyn: heh.  I might end up building a samples thing + wiki at some point.  I'll keep this one in mind at least :)
Feb 12 02:14:39 <lewellyn> as much as i'd like to, i probably can't do similar at this moment  :)
Feb 12 02:16:58 <groxx> on a related note: apparently the navbar is a couple dp smaller on the N6 when the phone is sideways.  can't figure out why that's desirable, but whatev.
Feb 12 02:21:30 <lewellyn> that's not too uncommon. landscape has much more value in keeping verticals down.
Feb 12 02:22:31 <groxx> yeah, but in landscape the navbar is on the side of the phone.  so it has value in keeping the horizontals down... while keeping the verticals down in portrait mode isn't as important?
Feb 12 02:26:52 <lewellyn> hm.
Feb 12 02:27:10 <lewellyn> dunno. i don't have an N9. donations welcome! ;)
Feb 12 02:27:14 <lewellyn> er. N6.
Feb 12 02:27:21 * lewellyn needs to stop ircing upside down.
Feb 12 02:28:00 <drose379> Guys, UI question here
Feb 12 02:28:17 <drose379> A user is creating something in a dialog, and they have to choose a priority, High,Medium or Low
Feb 12 02:28:34 <drose379> Would you as a user rather see 3 radio buttons to choose from, or a slider to set the priority
Feb 12 02:29:14 <g00s> not a slider
Feb 12 02:29:21 <g00s> either radio, spinner
Feb 12 02:29:49 <drose379> Ok
Feb 12 02:30:19 <g00s> then its up to you. if you have the space, radio, if not, spinner
Feb 12 02:32:12 <drose379> What do you mean by spinner?
Feb 12 02:32:22 <drose379> When i hear spinner I think of a loading spinner animation
Feb 12 02:32:37 <g00s> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/controls/spinner.html
Feb 12 02:32:44 <g00s> i mean spinner :)
Feb 12 02:32:50 <drose379> ah ok, thank you
Feb 12 02:33:07 <drose379> eh, I think ill go with radio for this one
Feb 12 02:33:32 <g00s> you can put high/medium/low in an <array-list> and feed that to your spinner adapter
Feb 12 02:35:09 <drose379> Right, yeah
Feb 12 02:35:12 <groxx> yeah, I still think spinner = circular progress bar that spins.
Feb 12 02:35:18 <drose379> haha
Feb 12 02:36:24 <groxx> spinner is probably what I'd vote for, and try to keep a reasonable default (e.g. the last one they used, or always medium, or something).  radios take up a lot of room, more useful when it's very likely that they want to pick something different every time.
Feb 12 02:37:15 <drose379> In my case, it is highly likely that the user will want to choose something different every time
Feb 12 02:38:01 <drose379> Im gonna start with the radioGroup and see how it looks/feels
Feb 12 02:38:24 <g00s> glad i wasn't an early adopter :D http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/over-720000-android-wear-devices-shipped-2014
Feb 12 02:38:24 <drose379> Then Ill make a screen record demo and see what you guys think
Feb 12 02:40:29 <groxx> g00s: that seems semi-healthy?  the other wearable-bands are pretty well established (fitbit in particular), and pebble is in a different price bracket and seems like a decent option
Feb 12 02:40:53 <g00s> jm, 700k devices in 6mos is kinda slow
Feb 12 02:41:08 <g00s> if it was one month, that would be pretty good
Feb 12 02:41:39 <g00s> well, it was all of 2014
Feb 12 02:42:49 <g00s> i'm skeptical apple will do much better in this area, oh well
Feb 12 02:43:12 <groxx> instead, it's a new, more-expensive product appearing in a semi-established market, without (yet) a conclusive win over competitors.  with supply constraints.  and it nearly caught up with the biggest single competitor.
Feb 12 02:43:25 <drose379> Im not sure how much they can really do with wearable stuff
Feb 12 02:43:39 <drose379> They havent convinced me yet
Feb 12 02:44:24 <drose379> Developing for it would be cool though
Feb 12 02:45:05 <drose379> Hey you guys have any opinion on an i7 8GB ThinkPad t440s?
Feb 12 02:45:15 <groxx> eh... I think the hardware isn't quite there yet (or the software needs to be more efficient, and hardware price drop), but I can think of a decent number of things I'd ditch the phone for.
Feb 12 02:46:00 <drose379> Im thinking either t440s or MBP
Feb 12 02:46:04 <drose379> Tough decision
Feb 12 02:46:20 <drose379> the ThinkPad may be a bit cheaper, but not by much
Feb 12 02:46:47 <g00s> well, would you rater use ms/linux or OS X ?
Feb 12 02:47:20 <groxx> dunno.  I'm a fairly happy OSX-er (having a real command-line + unix tools + a not-shitty UI + apps = fantastic).
Feb 12 02:47:26 <g00s> i'd get a broadwell machine now just because of the extra battery life
Feb 12 02:47:39 <groxx> ^ yeah, it's noticeable
Feb 12 02:49:42 <drinfernoo> so what is the difference between getSupportFragmentManager() and getChildFragmentManager()?
Feb 12 02:50:27 <groxx> drose379: http://www.buyersguideapple.com/ recommends waiting on the MBP (though it's a little confusing... might be worth checking dates, but it does seem like a while since the normal MBPs have updated)
Feb 12 02:50:53 <groxx> afaik, child is for nesting fragments.  so if you're in a fragment, and want to add sub-fragments, you use child.
Feb 12 02:51:33 <groxx> but nesting fragments is full of surprises and pain and agony, and I'd recommend against it, even though it's officially supported.
Feb 12 02:51:35 <g00s> yeah i'd wait on MBP too. the updated air might be the last one also
Feb 12 02:53:12 <drose379> Thanks guys
Feb 12 02:53:25 <drose379> Seems like the thinkpad is not a popular choice?
Feb 12 02:55:57 <groxx> well, you've only got two opinions so far :)
Feb 12 02:56:12 <drose379> Other suggestions?
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