**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 18 03:00:00 2015 Feb 18 03:00:20 DadFoundMy: SQLiteOpenHelper holds a reference to the context you pass it Feb 18 03:00:44 good point :D Feb 18 03:00:45 DadFoundMy: just override the constructor and do mAppContext = context.getApplicationContext(); Feb 18 03:00:59 i have my db as a singleton, but it shouldnt be much different Feb 18 03:01:02 private Context mAppContext; // ofc Feb 18 03:01:23 DadFoundMy: as long as you pass in the application context to the SQLiteOpenHelper Feb 18 03:01:29 i do Feb 18 03:11:14 lasserix_ http://stablekernel.com/blog/replace-asynctask-asynctaskloader-rx-observable-rxjava-android-patterns/ Feb 18 03:11:38 send the whole night to make my phone work with gesture detector !!!! Feb 18 03:11:54 hi g00s Feb 18 03:12:03 hey hesperaux Feb 18 03:13:11 ugh this JSONArray is driving me crazy. shouldnt: new JSONArray(arrayList); create an JSONArray holding whatever was in the arrayList? Feb 18 03:13:22 or am i competely misnderstanding the constructor Feb 18 03:13:28 *misunderstanding Feb 18 03:14:12 I is there like a secret to getting a BOOT_COMPLETED BroadcastReceiver to schedule repeated executions of a BroadcastReceiver? Feb 18 03:14:51 I've looked at Google's dev pages, and followed a 3rd-party tutorial...I can use the service fine if I schedule it the same way within my app - but trying to have the BOOT_COMPLETED receiver schedule it doesn't appear to work Feb 18 03:16:27 ahh, TIL Observable.subscribe( ... a behaviorSubject ) Feb 18 03:17:12 I'm still a bit skeptical about Rx but slowly converting my code over to it Feb 18 03:17:20 :D Feb 18 03:17:57 Even if I don't buy in a lot of the Rx sales pitch, I have a lot of listener interfaces in my code, so adopting the Observable/Subscriber types makes it all more regular Feb 18 03:17:57 * hesperaux will consider it after he learns the official SDK Feb 18 03:18:26 deuteros__ yeah, and if you switch for blocking to nonblocking the api stays the same Feb 18 03:19:03 where it shines is composing async thinsg that can error Feb 18 03:20:11 g00s: I understand the theory, I'm still waiting for something to click and make me go "yeah!" Feb 18 03:20:14 deuteros__ i just use rx stright up though with one of the schedulers from rxandroid - the other stuff in rxandroid is pretty fluffy Feb 18 03:20:22 *straight Feb 18 03:20:24 right now, it's more of a way to be more consistent with my observer patterns Feb 18 03:20:35 g00s: Yes I use rxandroid too Feb 18 03:20:59 And I still have a strong attraction event buses, although I've been resisting it so far Feb 18 03:21:22 is there a way to bond the wifi and lte together in 5.0? Feb 18 03:22:44 hesperaux: are you trying to _broadcast_ multiple boot_completed events? Feb 18 03:22:49 event buses are great Feb 18 03:23:01 at least they solve problem with nested fragments Feb 18 03:24:11 oh man, i haven't used nested fragments - that sounds scary Feb 18 03:24:14 groxx, no, trying to respond to boot completed. after receiving the intent, I want to schedule an inexact repeated service Feb 18 03:24:38 I just tried to simulate the intent with adb and my phone rebooted.... Feb 18 03:24:47 lol Feb 18 03:25:23 if you want, I can pastebin the boot broadcast receiver Feb 18 03:25:36 well, fwiw I tend to pull _all_ logic out of my receivers, and have them just pull the bundled info -> call another class. then it's easy to add another receiver that does the same thing, or a button, or whatever, for testing purposes. Feb 18 03:25:59 partly because they're hard to test otherwise Feb 18 03:26:53 http://pastebin.com/QH8nkTBW <---this is the BOOT_COMPLETED receiver Feb 18 03:27:30 I also created a WeatherReceiver class which is another BroadcastReceiver (this is how a tutorial did it, but I don't understand why it's not just a service) Feb 18 03:28:13 nevertheless, if I create an intent for the WeatherReceiver from one of my Activities, it works fine... Feb 18 03:28:34 the only difference I can see is the context is different, or that it's simply not being called on boot Feb 18 03:28:41 hesperaux: you should really use TimeUnit.SECONDS.toMillis(120) Feb 18 03:29:04 Napalm, why? Feb 18 03:29:36 because its a period of duration not date-time Feb 18 03:30:17 Napalm, are you referring to cal.getTimeInMillis()? Feb 18 03:30:40 yes and your 1000^120L Feb 18 03:30:45 Until very recently, the type was RTC_WAKEUP. I changed it to ELAPSED and didn't even think about the cal Feb 18 03:31:23 if the targetTimeInMillis also becomes relative when using ELAPSED_*, then that's a big problem Feb 18 03:31:40 I don't see a reason to call an extra function for the 1000*120 though Feb 18 03:31:47 hesperaux: what does your WeatherReceiver look like Feb 18 03:32:10 hesperaux: call the TimeUnit.SECONDS.toMillis(120) and save to int and use it as param Feb 18 03:32:21 hesperaux: the reason is clarity Feb 18 03:32:37 fair enough Feb 18 03:32:42 * hesperaux is used to embedded C Feb 18 03:33:01 hesperaux: it looks like you are broadcasting to your WeatherReceiver does that just start a service? Feb 18 03:33:15 * groxx assumes you would macro that kind of stuff in C, so you'd have SECONDS(TO_MILLIS(120)) or something Feb 18 03:33:43 groxx, yeah I guess you would Feb 18 03:33:44 * groxx realizes belatedly that that would be reversed Feb 18 03:34:10 Napalm, it doesn't start a service. it runs an asynctask in onReceive Feb 18 03:34:15 * groxx adds "or something" to the end of that, mentally Feb 18 03:34:21 hesperaux: seriously? Feb 18 03:34:22 omh Feb 18 03:34:23 omg Feb 18 03:34:36 hesperaux: not a good idea :) though probably works most of the time Feb 18 03:34:48 hesperaux: when your WeatherReceiver finishes your process could be terminated Feb 18 03:35:31 makes sense - I hadn't really thought that far ahead. I just pasted my asynctask in there from my activity to try to get this working. Glad you pointed that out though Feb 18 03:35:43 I'll convert it to a proper service once I confirm it's reaching that point Feb 18 03:36:20 hesperaux: remember, boot completed has some funky bahaviour rules because of miss-use Feb 18 03:36:43 * hesperaux hasn't read about that as of yet Feb 18 03:36:45 hesperaux: http://commonsware.com/blog/2011/07/05/boot-completed-regression.html Feb 18 03:37:45 oh, that Feb 18 03:38:06 I am aware of that, and have made sure to launch the activity before booting, and also to enable the receiver explicitly in MainActivity Feb 18 03:38:29 re "boot completed regression": that's normal behavior for pretty much all receivers, though. you don't get squat until your app has been launched. Feb 18 03:38:42 makes sense Feb 18 03:38:51 luckily for me that's probably not a big deal for these Feb 18 03:38:59 I can see that upsetting some devs though :D Feb 18 03:39:19 yeah, having that _change_ would be annoying. I 100% approve of the behavior though. Feb 18 03:39:40 groxx: only since Android 3.0 Feb 18 03:39:42 it prevents apps from doing shady stuff until you've actually launched it Feb 18 03:39:54 yeah. but it seems everyone in here targets like 4.4.4+ :) Feb 18 03:40:02 xD Feb 18 03:40:03 rly? Feb 18 03:40:03 * Napalm hides Feb 18 03:40:11 ok, so most :) Feb 18 03:40:18 * Napalm is having to make apps Gingerbread+ atm Feb 18 03:40:28 minSdkVersion 16 Feb 18 03:40:30 same. though thankfully we've switched to APIv10+ instead of 8 Feb 18 03:40:31 >_> Feb 18 03:40:37 4.1.2 iirc Feb 18 03:41:01 it's 78% or 87% or something, so I said that's good for now. After the app is finished, I'll add compat Feb 18 03:41:03 i'd worry about rx on those kinds of devices, not sure how big their call stacks are Feb 18 03:41:41 tiny heaps that you can't make larger is a bigger problem. Feb 18 03:43:00 granted, usually you shouldn't be using large heaps. but for something where users consume a crap-ton of large bitmaps, it's a _necessity_ on tiny devices. you can't reuse bitmaps nicely so you continually fragment the memory until it just explodes on everything. Feb 18 03:44:23 is oracle-jdk better to use than open-jdk for android studio? Feb 18 03:44:30 AAAAH i need help :( My nexus 6 is not being recognized by windows Feb 18 03:44:37 I have been doing this crap for 2 hours now Feb 18 03:44:49 Tricknology, did u install the google drivers? Feb 18 03:44:51 bynarie: for... running android studio? you don't have a choice for what your apps use on the device. Feb 18 03:44:55 bynarie yes I did Feb 18 03:44:59 well.. it won't let me Feb 18 03:45:13 Tricknology: have you tried turning it off and on again? Feb 18 03:45:18 yes groxx Feb 18 03:45:19 groxx, yes for running android studio Feb 18 03:45:20 Tricknology: is the computer plugged in? Feb 18 03:45:38 yes groxx Feb 18 03:45:54 Tricknology: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ hell if I know. install Linux. Feb 18 03:46:01 Tricknology i think you need to wipe your hard drive Feb 18 03:46:06 in device manager it shows under other devices >> ADB Interface Feb 18 03:46:09 man shred Feb 18 03:46:13 I just got a new one!! Feb 18 03:46:32 Tricknology, i concur with groxx, windows sucks install linux.. problem solved Feb 18 03:46:34 Tricknology: when you wipe the hard drive, be sure to use a lint-free cloth Feb 18 03:46:39 After I did, ADB no longer works Feb 18 03:46:40 lol Feb 18 03:47:00 and you need a new cloth for each wipe, minimum 8 Feb 18 03:47:13 should I use Windex? Feb 18 03:47:17 xD Feb 18 03:47:26 I think that's used when compiling android projects Feb 18 03:47:27 or do I drink that? Feb 18 03:47:29 you can use sandpaper for entropy Feb 18 03:47:35 at this point.. I might just Feb 18 03:47:38 Tricknology, no... use toilet water for wiping Feb 18 03:48:25 SHHH BOYS HE'S HERE Feb 18 03:48:30 bynarie: re open-jdk: I have absolutely no idea. if you find a difference, I'd probably be fascinated by the reason :) Feb 18 03:48:34 wrong channel. this irssi thing is hard Feb 18 03:48:48 * groxx doesn't even want to know Feb 18 03:49:16 http://axeetech.com/2014/12/01/download-and-install-google-nexus-6-usb-drivers-for-adb-fastboot/#.VOQLp_nF-30 Feb 18 03:49:31 Stuck on step 8 Feb 18 03:49:37 every other resource says.. wait for it to load Feb 18 03:49:40 I have an alert for everytime a certain reddit admin comes into the chan, and let everyone know when he's in :D Feb 18 03:50:00 my sht says "Windows could not find a driver..." Feb 18 03:50:16 Tricknology: which windoze version? Feb 18 03:51:17 9 Feb 18 03:51:19 Tricknology: http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2pboxt/nexus_6windows_81/ perhaps? Feb 18 03:51:36 totally been there Feb 18 03:51:55 Tricknology: I was going to suggest finding and deleting any existing drivers for whatever it IDs the device as, so that appeals to my "I was totes right" side Feb 18 03:51:55 Shows as nexus 6 in my file manager Feb 18 03:52:02 oh I did Feb 18 03:52:07 well Feb 18 03:52:14 I did it the lazy way through device manager Feb 18 03:52:18 right click uninstall Feb 18 03:52:24 F-Windows.. Feb 18 03:53:00 yeah install something else Feb 18 03:53:04 Tricknology: at times, with Windows, it matters if you install before you plug the device in. if you haven't, since i assume you've done the normal stuff, I'd probably suggest: uninstall any suspicious drivers, reboot, install new drivers, THEN plug in the phone. Feb 18 03:53:22 Tricknology: as a fallback, try Doors: http://bigworld.neocities.org/ Feb 18 03:53:34 dumb question... is usb debugging on the phone enabled? Feb 18 03:53:47 yes... Feb 18 03:54:04 I am never every buying a Windows anything ever again Feb 18 03:54:28 aside from visual studio, everything windows seems hostile to development. Feb 18 03:54:28 yeah, just download it from one of those totally legit file sharing websites Feb 18 03:54:35 truth Feb 18 03:54:42 VS can be done in VMFusion Feb 18 03:54:46 fuck it Feb 18 03:55:34 groxx i will uninstall and reboot and all that jaxx Feb 18 03:56:17 sweet, he's uninstalling Windows. probably the best option. Feb 18 03:56:22 lol Feb 18 03:57:09 i'm confused though. if his N6 is showing up on his file explorer, doesn't that mean the drivers are installed? Feb 18 03:57:23 the best way to check is to use command "adb devices" yeah? Feb 18 03:57:55 I'm going to guess they meant device manager, but there is always the possibility it's just something stupid and obvious, yeah Feb 18 03:58:18 ah Feb 18 03:58:43 I got started on computer stuff by fixing windows machines :| the crap I've seen... Feb 18 03:58:58 i know how it is to get caught up in a whirlwind like that. it's embarrassing how many ultra simple fixes i've been oblivious to Feb 18 03:59:24 i haven't had many problems with windows stuff since Vista Feb 18 03:59:33 m3chanical, showing up in My Computer just means the MTP/PTP drivers are activated. the debugging drivers could be non-operational Feb 18 03:59:45 ahh okay Feb 18 03:59:48 yeah, 7 is surprisingly decent. 8.1 seems pretty acceptable too, and 10 sounds like it's going to be an improvement Feb 18 04:00:37 I do still feel like this about 7 though: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/30/ Feb 18 04:00:54 nope :( Feb 18 04:00:56 nice. my phone just rebooted by itself Feb 18 04:01:29 i've had a good time with 8.1. I'm much more familiar with Linux command line and developing ... anything other than MS Languages is 1000x easier Feb 18 04:01:39 Tricknology: you've rebooted the phone, and made sure e.g. `adb devices` actually says something beyond an error (like sigbus / the daemon is dead / omg you killed Kenny) Feb 18 04:02:07 hesperaux: my n6 does that every couple days Feb 18 04:02:17 lol @ that comic. that's especially true considering the vista launch :\ Feb 18 04:02:33 accurate comment is accurate Feb 18 04:02:43 http://i.imgur.com/Iesie73.jpg Feb 18 04:03:10 Tricknology: did you try selecting the ADB Composite Interface? Feb 18 04:03:36 Tricknology: while you were gone, I linked to this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/30/ Feb 18 04:03:40 Napalm, I don't see an ADB Composite Interface Feb 18 04:03:59 "fatty" and "skinny" lol Feb 18 04:04:00 I need Win7 in my life so hard right now Feb 18 04:04:09 partitions on a drive, don't judge Feb 18 04:04:13 WAT Feb 18 04:04:30 USB drive Feb 18 04:04:35 I partition everything, always. no judgement. I like to be able to implode windows and start fresh every 6 months or so. Feb 18 04:04:41 "portable" but needs its own power supply Feb 18 04:05:35 Tricknology: update driver > browse for driver > let me pick from list > have disk > SDK\extras\google\usb_driver > Android Composite ADB Interface Feb 18 04:06:00 untick "show compat hardware" Feb 18 04:07:41 Napalm saves the day Feb 18 04:07:52 I always do Feb 18 04:08:06 it was the part about "let me pick from list" Feb 18 04:08:16 I just pointed to the dir.. Feb 18 04:08:44 SDK\extras\google\usb_driver Feb 18 04:09:05 why, don't know, don't care. but thank you sooooo much, Napalm. Feb 18 04:09:18 yeah, /me listens intently :) happy to be out of the Windows support realm, but glad to absorb new info. Feb 18 04:10:05 can anyone remember what style has the blue underline for the title in the holo theme? Feb 18 04:10:10 most of my friends/family/extended family is Windows-bound, and I do tech support for too many of them, when they remember that I exist :| Feb 18 04:10:12 Linux, groxx? Feb 18 04:10:23 Tricknology: OSX. Linux, with a sane interface. Feb 18 04:10:49 I want to like Linux. truly. but every damn time, I have to resort to the command line within ONE HOUR to fix some permissions error. 100% unacceptable. Feb 18 04:11:14 OSX. Linux, except with an infuriating interface Feb 18 04:11:19 * hesperaux ducks before he is shot Feb 18 04:11:45 also, totally different kernel/service structure, package management, etc. Feb 18 04:11:55 * groxx can't stop thinking about that f*#$!&^ duckhunt dog now Feb 18 04:12:15 hesperaux: yeah. though homebrew is pretty nice Feb 18 04:12:27 never tried that Feb 18 04:12:28 but! I can grep. that's all that really matters. Feb 18 04:12:33 lol Feb 18 04:12:52 * hesperaux is the type of person who, on linux, does most things via cli Feb 18 04:13:00 homebrew is like a non-invasive, non-litera-fuckin-ly insane MacPorts Feb 18 04:13:25 Napalm, Widget.Holo.Light.TextView.ListSeparator? Feb 18 04:13:27 the little things annoy me, and OSX's interface is very slow to use for me (talking about the window manager) Feb 18 04:13:31 MacPorts works, don't get me wrong there. but it's impossible to use with anything else. Feb 18 04:13:59 hesperaux: or my personal favorite: unplug bigger monitor -> find windows _entirely offscreen_. I haven't found a window manager yet that doesn't do this. why is it so hard? Feb 18 04:14:08 lol Feb 18 04:14:27 Tricknology: not even close ;) Feb 18 04:14:28 window bounds changed -> ensure things are not entirely offscreen -> ??? -> profit Feb 18 04:14:37 lol Feb 18 04:15:58 but I think my personal favorite thing about OSX is that the keyboard shortcuts are global, and e.g. ctrl-A or cmd-left goes to the beginning of EVERY input, no exceptions (unless the app is crap, then you uninstall it immediately). consistency is so amazing when it's achieved. Feb 18 04:16:32 yes, I did like the terminal's allowance for ctrl+arrow to move between words Feb 18 04:16:41 although, bash does this on linux just fine if configured Feb 18 04:16:52 granted, a lot of that is because they've had a clean break from the 9- days, and windows has amazing backwards compatibility. but it's better here. Feb 18 04:17:17 backwards compat is something people take for granted Feb 18 04:17:31 this is fairly #off-topic though.. Feb 18 04:17:40 speaking of osx... is it spring or summer that the new macbook pro's are coming out? i'm trying to hold out and wait to get one Feb 18 04:17:50 m3chanical: yes. or later. Feb 18 04:17:59 m3chanical: but yeah, I'd wait too Feb 18 04:18:00 lol Feb 18 04:18:15 lol. okay. that's the plan anyway. Feb 18 04:18:29 m3chanical: the current MBPr is pretty good (don't touch the previous version), but it could be better. Feb 18 04:18:47 been poking on windows / linux machines for years, and i think a mbp would be extremely useful for me presently Feb 18 04:19:08 * hesperaux chooses not to go into it Feb 18 04:19:31 yeah i played around with one at the apple store. if newer ones aren't out by summer some time i'll be sad Feb 18 04:21:35 m3chanical: it handles its resolution pretty well. bogs down a bit / holy cow does it drain power when also plugged into an external display (e.g. a previous-gen charger will still let it _drain_ while plugged in), but it actually keeps up. and the retina display is amazeballs. Feb 18 04:21:42 readable text is wonderful Feb 18 04:22:55 that sounds great. ^^ this MBPr that I'll get will be my first apple product since the old iPods Feb 18 04:23:14 m3chanical, I would advise you to try to try one out first Feb 18 04:24:03 yeah, definitely try. I've got a high-end one because work paid for it, and the Apple Tax on RAM is a thing and it sucks. Feb 18 04:24:31 the next gen MBPr will probably be noticeably better, but for this one it's all about the dedicated video ard Feb 18 04:24:34 s/ard/card/ Feb 18 04:24:53 my girifriend has one for work and i've played around with them a bit recently when i decided that i want to get one. what do you suggest i tinker with before i transition/purchase? Feb 18 04:24:56 groxx is the ram soldered to the mobo ? Feb 18 04:24:57 Apple Tax? Feb 18 04:25:05 g00s: yes Feb 18 04:25:12 fuuu Feb 18 04:25:25 m3chanical: adding ram to a macbook is like 3x (or more) more expensive than anything you can buy retail Feb 18 04:25:32 oh wow Feb 18 04:25:33 m3chanical: and it's soldered on, so you don't have a choice Feb 18 04:25:33 I gave up on "thin & light" laptops... Got tired of them being weak in some way, and I got sick of apple hardware's crappy performance on other OSs. Personally, I can't stand using OS X, so this was a deal breaker for me. I used one for 5 years before I gave up. Not to mention every piece of hardware in the laptop had to be replaced, except the screen Feb 18 04:25:40 groxx are the battery / hd serviceable at an apple store, or do they have to send it out ? Feb 18 04:25:58 m3chanical: it's still totally worth it (16gb = Android Studio + virtualbox machines + emulator + still running happily), but it's expensive. Feb 18 04:25:58 lol jeez. i have plenty of experience soldering, but i think that might be too much for me Feb 18 04:26:10 m3chanical, my advice: try to write a complete program using it. Whether it's java or android or C or whatever...use an IDE, type a program out that does a thing, and decide from that Feb 18 04:26:29 ahh. okay. thanks hesperaux, i'll do that Feb 18 04:26:56 you'll get a feel for the layout of the keyboard, the way it behaves in OS X, and how fast it compiles/emulates/whatever else Feb 18 04:27:02 my mbp is old enough you can take it apart and have at it Feb 18 04:27:05 also, take note of how hot (or not hot) it gets Feb 18 04:27:18 g00s, mine too. No discount on the price for that though :) Feb 18 04:27:28 okay. thanks for the advice Feb 18 04:27:44 re hesperaux's hardware problems: I've had them too. personally I buy the AppleCare package, because it tends to come in profitable for me. but it varies. they're very nice pieces of hardware, and reasonably durable, but they do have their problems at times. Feb 18 04:28:04 I bought applecare too - it saved me hundreds of dollars...omg Feb 18 04:28:09 i'll definitely wait for the newer models. i'll be starting uni next year (after 8 years navy) so the summer will be a good time for me to pick one up Feb 18 04:28:16 basically, take the retail cost, and add ~25-30%, and that's the actual out-of-pocket price for a mac. Feb 18 04:28:24 lol Feb 18 04:28:29 not kidding btw Feb 18 04:28:33 four magsafe chargers, a battery, external case, dvd burner, hard drive, motherboard/gpu all were replaced on mine. I had to pay for mobo because nvidia's class action expired a month earlier Feb 18 04:28:34 m3chanical yes, should be broadwell refresh Feb 18 04:28:53 excellent. Feb 18 04:28:58 the first thing i notice anout a non-apple laptop is, man where is the magsafe :) Feb 18 04:29:04 I love it, but they're not particularly cheap. if you want cheap, try their refurbs - better price, still very good applecare support. Feb 18 04:29:21 g00s, well the surface pros have a similar connector now Feb 18 04:29:26 nice Feb 18 04:29:29 but DON'T get the previous MBPr. it can't keep up with the resolution Feb 18 04:29:35 i hope they do a surface pro 4 Feb 18 04:29:36 a strong, well designed coaxial plug is still good though. most of the time they make them crappy Feb 18 04:29:38 i'll keep that in mind Feb 18 04:29:56 g00s, i wanted to get one of those, but I got a gaming laptop instead because I tried to code on the SP3 and it didn't work well Feb 18 04:30:00 hesperaux: heh. my old 11" mbp's video card memory fried, out of warranty :'( Feb 18 04:30:06 $600 for a new mobo, I think Feb 18 04:30:26 hesperaux i want it for adobe lightroom ;) Feb 18 04:30:44 maybe some VST + keyboard Feb 18 04:30:51 groxx, same here, but they let me use the "ship it to texas for a low flat rate and everything gets fixed yay", so my mobo/gpu repair was only like 300 bucks or something Feb 18 04:31:22 they were cool about it - they replaced the bottom case too for free (it had a dent in the corner) Feb 18 04:31:42 yeah, I've had excellent service experiences. that is one thing they do very, very right. Feb 18 04:32:01 android question: for this app i'm making i want it to look for new tweet mentions every few minutes as a background service (kind of like gmail or facebook). is the "IntentService" the proper class to use? or is there something else? Feb 18 04:32:32 i've been looking through the developer docs but nothing jumps out except the intentservice Feb 18 04:32:43 m3chanical: while they're using the app, or at all times? and if at all times: you'll probably cause a lot of battery drain, can you think of a more restricted version? Feb 18 04:33:04 "a lot" = "visible", not like you'll single-handedly tank their battery. Feb 18 04:33:20 while they're using the app. Feb 18 04:33:39 IntentService is basically the Service version of AsyncTask Feb 18 04:33:46 basically, i just want it to check every once in a while, and if it finds a new mention, to post it to the activity Feb 18 04:34:53 m3chanical: is it important for the update to finish if they leave the app, or should it just work while the UI is visible? Feb 18 04:35:08 more the service version of Handler Feb 18 04:36:04 true. but most people I run across don't seem to know Handlers particularly well. AsyncTask is everywhere. Feb 18 04:36:15 https://gist.github.com/slightfoot/c7780e460adfbd2fccdc - Hide Holo Title Divider Feb 18 04:36:19 a snippet if anyone wants it Feb 18 04:36:25 Tricknology Feb 18 04:38:36 groxx: so my goal for the app is to have it mostly run in the background and play songs on google play. it will get the songs through tweet mentions and add them to a playlist Feb 18 04:39:05 m3chanical: the reason I'm asking is because Service is a "lifecycle object". If you have one, it implies you're doing something semi-important, and you think your process should be kept around if possible. if not, you could be killed in favor of other more-important things. be nice, claim the importance that's appropriate. Feb 18 04:39:25 interesting Feb 18 04:39:39 i've got most of it working except the service portion Feb 18 04:39:54 Napalm have you seen anything like cwac-merge but for recyclerView ? Feb 18 04:40:24 g00s: nope Feb 18 04:40:35 i have a test button that just generates an intent for google play (default music app) with a search query ... I want the service to pull down tweet mentions and generate its own intent Feb 18 04:42:12 m3chanical: sorta a twitter-driven DJ? while you're playing music, you probably want to have a foreground notification + a wakelock, so tbh whatever you choose doesn't really matter from an OS perspective. use whatever feels cleaner. Feb 18 04:42:35 oh yeah, certainly Feb 18 04:42:40 and yes. exactly that Feb 18 04:42:43 heh. I've thought it would be cool to do something like that, but for someone's last.fm scrobble feed Feb 18 04:42:54 e.g. "listen to what I'm listening to" Feb 18 04:43:17 m3chanical: it sounds like a decent choice for IntentService though, in my brain. though I find my self moving as far away from system-objects as possible, and just leaving hooks into the system where necessary. Feb 18 04:43:22 i want to get all the function down first, then i'll work on user experience a bit more. Feb 18 04:43:37 though i already played around with the Lollipop material theme. it was fun Feb 18 04:43:48 ahh Feb 18 04:43:56 m3chanical: are you able to actually add stuff to a google music playlist? or do you just start up a search with the song title or something? Feb 18 04:44:13 m3chanical: main thing to realize with IntentService is that a) it's a service, so it implies lifecycle, and b) it runs on a _single_ background thread. if that's good and the API is convenient, sure - I'd probably use that. Feb 18 04:44:21 so far it just plays a song or artist. i'm not sure about simply adding to a playlist. i was going to look into that Feb 18 04:45:07 Yeah, I would be a bit surprised if you control it at that level via intents. but I'm not sure Feb 18 04:45:08 but currently i have a test tweet of the band Thrice, and using my lame test intent button, it takes the tweet text "thrice" (the @... is stripped with regex) and queries google play, then plays it Feb 18 04:45:18 it is neat Feb 18 04:45:22 IntentService is for job-queue type workload Feb 18 04:45:32 it's basically the same as using Google Now's voice search Feb 18 04:45:42 ah Feb 18 04:46:01 okay. I'll read more about the IntentService then Feb 18 04:46:19 m3chanical: read the source, it's pretty small iirc Feb 18 04:46:34 what are you doing in the service. polling for tweets? Feb 18 04:46:36 I forget how good the docs are. probably decent. Feb 18 04:47:36 JesusFreke: I'll be polling for tweet mentions and generating an intent for google music Feb 18 04:48:09 groxx: will do. i was looking at the 'best practices' for intentservice earlier. i'll read more into it tomorrow Feb 18 04:48:09 Hmm. how often are you polling? Feb 18 04:48:29 i'm not sure yet. i was going to just start with 5min or so and see how that goes Feb 18 04:48:38 m3chanical: it's small enough that you can probably figure it out. it's really simple. main surprise is if you use redeliver-intent: only the _last_ one will be redelivered. Feb 18 04:49:08 m3chanical: so if you have multiple queued (not an issue in your case, I assume), the current + pending - the most-recent = will be dropped silently Feb 18 04:49:39 hmm, yeah. You could probably use an AlarmManager alarm with a pending intent that sends a start intent to your IntentService. Feb 18 04:50:27 ^ in principle, yeah. it's a bit heavyweight for an app whose process is basically guaranteed to be running, but it might make it a bit more battery friendly by combining events. Feb 18 04:50:41 not sure how that works when there's an active wakelock Feb 18 04:50:42 ah okay. thanks for the infos. i'll look at alarmmanager as well Feb 18 04:51:30 Is it guaranteed to be running though? If that's the only service, it won't be running most of the time - only during the short periods where's actually performing the network operation or whatever. Feb 18 04:52:05 if it's playing music, it'll want (and be appropriate to hold) a wakelock + a foreground service, so that's as good of a guarantee as is possible on Android Feb 18 04:52:34 Hmm. Now I need to find out if adding to a playlist via intent is possible. Feb 18 04:52:54 I don't think it's actually playing music itself Feb 18 04:56:41 JesusFreke: could be. m3chanical: ^ is your app playing the music, or handing it off to the play music app or something? (just noticed a few things combined suggest that could be the case) Feb 18 04:58:07 or maybe I've just flaked out and missed the hints :) Feb 18 04:59:18 the app is handing it off to the google music app Feb 18 04:59:40 sends the tweet text (minus the @...) as a search query Feb 18 05:00:15 m3chanical: gotcha. I'd say alarm manager then too. precise timing isn't really necessary. Feb 18 05:00:27 and your app could die in between update requests, and it doesn't matter. Feb 18 05:01:22 okay, i'll look into that Feb 18 05:04:19 hey Feb 18 05:04:26 alright well i'm off to bed. thanks for the help all Feb 18 05:04:29 hi, I am using Android Studio, I imported my project that I exported from eclipse (ADT, generated gradle files). When I attempt to build the project it fails because it can't find a class even though it is in the class path Feb 18 05:04:36 and the module depends on another module that has the file. The editor doesn't complain about the file but compiling it does (it has been added to compile scope) Feb 18 05:05:24 what's the correct way to get a Context within a called Service? Feb 18 05:05:32 getApplicationContext()? Feb 18 05:07:01 gang? Feb 18 05:07:34 hesperaux: this Feb 18 05:08:38 phix: What's your question Feb 18 05:08:59 lol. bankai_ I forgot that Service is a Context too Feb 18 05:09:00 thanks Feb 18 05:11:51 Service is sad :( Feb 18 05:13:02 my lumia has a MS internet speed test app, is there anything official from google for android ? Feb 18 05:13:15 yiati: you want me to repaste it? Feb 18 05:13:59 g00s: not that I'm aware of. usually I find a website that targets mobile browsers for testing. Feb 18 05:14:15 My issue is I have added a module as a dependency and the editor can resolve a class that belongs to the dependant module however when I do a gradlew build it fails and tells me it cant find the class Feb 18 05:14:19 even though it is there Feb 18 05:14:24 rumor has it that ookla gets money to fudge results. i doubt MS or google would do that Feb 18 05:14:50 g00s: given how big ookla is, I wouldn't be too surprised. even less surprised if ISPs prioritize its traffic. Feb 18 05:15:31 sometimes when one device is wonky slow, its nice to compare against another Feb 18 05:15:45 yiati: It has been added to compile scope, how do I get it to see it? is there anything special I need to do? Feb 18 05:17:04 phix: Are you building with gradle? Feb 18 05:17:09 yes Feb 18 05:17:27 is this dependency listed in your build.gradle and settings.gradle? Feb 18 05:18:14 include ':zxing-2.2:android' Feb 18 05:18:19 (settings) Feb 18 05:18:31 compile project(':zxing-2.2:android') Feb 18 05:18:46 (in dependencies for the module I am having the issues with) Feb 18 05:19:07 zxing-2.2:android also depends on zxing-2.2:core Feb 18 05:19:22 http://pastebin.com/rLHfL9Ri <--- Does anyone know why pictureCallback never gets called? Trying to take a picture without showing a preview onscreen, want to do some postprocessing on the picture before showing it to the user. Feb 18 05:19:27 g00s: maybe they've been SEO-bombing, since I haven't heard of them before, but http://speedof.me/ is a thing. it's also reporting 1/15th of my actual bandwidth (as seen by downloading actual files from pretty much anywhere else). Feb 18 05:19:51 there are alternatives though. I usually try a few. Feb 18 05:20:01 groxx nice, thanks Feb 18 05:20:27 g00s: I'm trying to find one I recognize, but no luck yet Feb 18 05:20:51 groxx no worries, the MS one worked well for me Feb 18 05:20:55 g00s: ah, testmy.net looks about right. Feb 18 05:21:02 yiati: Does that look about right? Feb 18 05:21:02 but i think google should have one Feb 18 05:21:11 * g00s tries Feb 18 05:22:57 phix: I dunno, maybe. Can you build from terminal with "./graldew clean build" Feb 18 05:23:11 "./gradlew clean build" Feb 18 05:23:19 always make that typo :P Feb 18 05:24:39 yiati: no Feb 18 05:24:45 same error Feb 18 05:24:52 phix: Never saw the error Feb 18 05:25:30 Error:(6, 39) error: cannot find symbol class Intents Feb 18 05:25:38 This is really cool: http://visualgo.net/ Feb 18 05:25:43 even though it is there and the editor can find it Feb 18 05:25:47 Visualising data structures and algorithms. Feb 18 05:26:51 zxing-2.2:android is an android library, do I need to specify which files can be accessed from modules that have it as its dependency? Feb 18 05:28:49 phix: That dependency format looks weird, where are you getting it from, and what central repository is it hosted on? Feb 18 05:29:05 hmmm it is on my local filesystem Feb 18 05:29:11 in a directory called zxing-2.2 Feb 18 05:29:37 that is what the import tool did Feb 18 05:30:07 jerkface03: not sure off-hand, but the camera is a bit "different". it might require a preview surface. Feb 18 05:31:30 phix: Is zxing-2.2 in the root folder of your project? Feb 18 05:34:24 with default folder structure compile project(':zxing-2.2:android') will look for a project in rootProjFolder/zxing-2.2/android/srchere Feb 18 05:34:28 anyways got to get Feb 18 05:34:32 read more log info Feb 18 05:34:42 there's got to be more descriptive error output trying to build Feb 18 06:13:21 'never trust a developer with a samsung phone' haha Feb 18 06:22:32 have tried container.getContext(); have tried getActivity().getApplicationContext, to get the context in the fragment, but i always have a null Feb 18 06:23:20 where you do that? Feb 18 06:23:33 make sure it is after onAttach Feb 18 06:23:37 inside the onCreateView Feb 18 06:24:08