**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 21 02:59:59 2015 Feb 21 03:00:16 Why the ****... can't we collapse comments on HN?! Feb 21 03:01:19 hmm, looking at these usb cables Feb 21 03:01:21 http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=102&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030302 Feb 21 03:01:30 really need ferrite beads for < 3ft ? Feb 21 03:03:42 I have some on 12 inchers! Feb 21 03:03:58 not saying they are needed though... Feb 21 03:05:19 Big day... Just released beta 9 of Coloroos... I'm dead. Feb 21 03:05:57 If you guys want to try it out, here's the beta group : http://goo.gl/BNepZE Feb 21 03:06:00 MikeWallaceDev link ? Feb 21 03:06:05 HA! Feb 21 03:06:05 It's not a hostile release. It's benign. Feb 21 03:06:05 if i have my own app and server, does it make sense to have the app do the oauth flow to a 3rd party and then pass the received token to my server to let the server act on the 3rd party, or is that just dumb? Feb 21 03:08:24 beta 9 was just published minutes ago, it might take a while to get to you... Feb 21 03:08:45 And I will be posting links to coloring books in the community Feb 21 03:09:56 *spits out Crayolas* Colouring books? Feb 21 03:10:14 huh. Just figured out that middle clicking the new tab icon in Chrome will automatically launch a search for the selected text. Cool Feb 21 03:10:51 TacticalJoke, yeah, Coloroos is a drawing program for kids. And you can add coloring books as separate APKs Feb 21 03:14:29 Can you draw just by touching the screen (i.e., without dragging)? Every drawing app I've used requires dragging, which kinda puts me off. Feb 21 03:17:55 actually, yes, you can :D Feb 21 03:18:06 Oh, that's cool. Feb 21 03:18:20 When in coloring book mode, you just tap the screen and the region flood fills Feb 21 03:19:35 Ah. Was thinking of freeform stuff. Feb 21 03:21:53 like squiggly lines? Feb 21 03:22:00 that's the normal mode. Feb 21 03:22:17 Yeah. Feb 21 03:22:32 you can draw freeform lines, straight lines, ovals, rectangles, stamps, repeated stamps Feb 21 03:22:38 I'd like to be able to draw on a tablet by tapping here, there, etc., and never dragging. But I've never seen an app that lets me do that. Feb 21 03:23:26 I don't see how you can freeform without dragging? Feb 21 03:23:35 Just drawing a dot. :D Feb 21 03:23:46 or do you want me to detect hovering? :D Feb 21 03:23:53 You can do dots too!! Feb 21 03:24:09 (I actually had to code a special case for that!) Feb 21 03:24:24 What I mean is this: every drawing app I've used on Android requires me to press down and *move*. I've never seen one that simply lets me press down. Feb 21 03:27:19 do any of you want to join the beta group? Please do it now, I'll have to accept you, and I want to go eat :) Feb 21 03:27:37 what beta group Feb 21 03:29:42 TheKarlBrown, http://goo.gl/BNepZE Feb 21 03:29:54 beta group for Coloroos, my latest app Feb 21 03:30:39 hmmm Feb 21 03:30:49 app doesnt exist Feb 21 03:30:54 what is role Feb 21 03:30:56 for me Feb 21 03:31:15 I think it takes a while for it to accept you Feb 21 03:31:49 actually, you have to be in the group first... Feb 21 03:32:05 Join the community and you will have access to the app Feb 21 03:37:14 This is awesome: during a live Eastenders episode, the actress accidentally refers to an actor by his real name: http://youtu.be/gqrLxcO28zE Feb 21 03:38:27 MikeWallaceDev: I'm so lazy about joining stuff. ;| Feb 21 03:40:43 Nobody is forcing you mate Feb 21 03:40:52 :) Feb 21 03:41:48 groxx, it was definitely AsymmetricGridView Feb 21 03:49:35 what would be the best way to store a list of what a user has selected? Feb 21 03:49:43 right now I have a file with a set Feb 21 03:50:32 What is the user selecting? Feb 21 03:50:37 Do you need the items to be ordered? Feb 21 03:51:55 MikeWallaceDev: i think im getting whats the problem Feb 21 03:51:59 ok in this app you can submit and view ideas (which will be dealt with using a mysql server) Feb 21 03:52:04 MikeWallaceDev: i will tell u what the problem is Feb 21 03:52:09 and data containers on the app to process them Feb 21 03:52:18 and sorting algorithms Feb 21 03:52:36 then after lists of items are seen, the user will need to be able to view a specific idea Feb 21 03:52:50 and I need to know if it has been favorited or up/down rated by the user before Feb 21 03:53:22 so im either going to develop the list of known ideas locally then push updates once the page is closed Feb 21 03:53:27 or pull from the server each time Feb 21 03:56:55 last weekend I had just started to approach the problem, and I created a "setsaver" class for favorites that saves a local file that is a set which lists if an item is present Feb 21 03:57:05 in set format Feb 21 03:57:40 but i'm going to want to know if the items are liked or not, and im not sure if i should have 3 diff files or do a purely online implementation Feb 21 04:00:52 TacticalJoke have any ideas Feb 21 04:06:35 haha http://i.imgur.com/qF10M2q.jpg Feb 21 04:22:17 can i mix PreferenceFragment and support Fragments in a ViewPager ? Feb 21 04:22:50 alright I decided to check mysql database for favorites and likes/dislikes and not cache locally at all Feb 21 04:23:20 I just created an empty app and clicked Run in Android Studio Feb 21 04:23:30 emulator64-x86 has been using CPU for 3 minutes and I still see no window appear Feb 21 04:23:32 g00s: of course Feb 21 04:25:38 the emulator process didn't even respond to killing, I had to send SIGKILL :/ Feb 21 04:26:39 i'd need to use native FragmentPagerAdapter or support one, each returns their respective kind of Fragment Feb 21 04:27:03 PreferenceFargment inherits from native Fragment, the others would be support-Fragment Feb 21 04:27:28 PovAddict: try genymotion Feb 21 04:28:06 TacticalJoke: did you see the bloopers at the end of Rush Hour 2 ? Chris Tucker can't stop calling Jackie Chan by his real name Feb 21 04:36:06 Nah. lol Feb 21 04:37:50 I'd better go. Kthxbai. Feb 21 04:42:42 the emulator is definitely getting stuck somewhere starting up Feb 21 04:42:44 :/ Feb 21 04:43:46 g00s: lol @ picture Feb 21 04:44:29 also: statemachine is an interesting class. didn't really expect it to be hierarchical, but it seems practical. Feb 21 04:44:46 groxx yeah. if you need parallel state machines, that works fine too Feb 21 04:45:07 forgot which android service did that Feb 21 04:46:23 How does parallel fit in there? or just that the class is useful for that? Feb 21 04:46:39 2 statemachine instances send messages to each other Feb 21 04:47:21 2 statemachine instances walk into a bar... Feb 21 04:47:32 and they curl with each other Feb 21 04:49:18 "it is possible to use the android.app.Fragment and the android.support.v4.view.ViewPager together... If you use the android.support.v13.app.FragmentPagerAdapter." Feb 21 04:49:42 uh okay Feb 21 04:50:46 anyone here but books from apress? do they ever have sales? i'd like to buy dave smith's because everything he's written has been impressive so far. but $35 hmmm Feb 21 04:51:12 at least oreilly does 50% pretty much all the time if you order more than 1 Feb 21 04:52:38 groxx are you looking at kotlin at all ? Feb 21 04:56:38 can someone help me get the emulator to work on Linux? Feb 21 04:56:54 https://paste.kde.org/psx5ei7xv Feb 21 04:57:11 it didn't output anything else after that, it has been 15 minutes Feb 21 05:02:13 PovAddict: try adding -show-kernel Feb 21 05:02:25 and possibly -logcat *:V Feb 21 05:03:48 I added -show-kernel, it's stuck at the same place and not outputting more Feb 21 05:04:02 I attached gdb to the emulator and it seems to be stuck in __libc_fork() Feb 21 05:04:04 ?! Feb 21 05:04:46 ah hah! Feb 21 05:05:33 the stack trace showed pulseaudio functions too Feb 21 05:05:45 I added -noaudio and now I get a window Feb 21 05:06:01 heh Feb 21 05:07:06 there's now several messages like "init: untracked pid 1079 killed by signal 9" Feb 21 05:08:57 I'll recreate the avd... Feb 21 05:12:38 what is the best way to save objects locally Feb 21 05:12:47 is it objectstream? for saving and loading? Feb 21 05:13:20 UGH Feb 21 05:13:38 I tried to create a new avd and *the JVM crashed* Feb 21 05:14:30 TheKarlBrown: define "locally" Feb 21 05:14:44 saved in the external memoryt Feb 21 05:14:58 Im under the impression you cannot save in the internal memory Feb 21 05:15:12 TheKarlBrown: Not exactly "locally" then, but there are plenty of options. File? SharedPreferences? sqlite? Feb 21 05:15:32 could I save my custom data container locally? Feb 21 05:15:40 Im gonna use file I think Feb 21 05:15:45 Stop saying "locally", it's meaningless Feb 21 05:16:01 can I save my custom data container internally Feb 21 05:16:06 You can save your data in memory, on the file system or in the cloud. Pick one. Feb 21 05:16:06 sorry for my incorrect verbiage Feb 21 05:16:47 can I make Android Studio run the emulator with -noaudio? Feb 21 05:17:08 memory as in ram or as in hidden (not accessible like the sdcard) Feb 21 05:17:39 TheKarlBrown: Again, not sure what "hidden" means. In memory means.. in memory: if your process gets killed, your data goes poof Feb 21 05:18:10 I mean the area that is not the SD card that files are stored to (like the hidden area where preferences area) Feb 21 05:18:38 where apps are installed Feb 21 05:18:53 TheKarlBrown: Hence the importance of being specific. If out of the 3 options I proposed you picked "File", you now have two choices: in the app's file system space or /sdcard Feb 21 05:19:04 can I save an object in the file system space Feb 21 05:19:12 Sure you can Feb 21 05:19:20 how would you recommend doing that Feb 21 05:19:20 definitely the safest from a privacy standpoint Feb 21 05:19:58 TheKarlBrown: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/files.html Feb 21 05:25:19 cbeust cbeust_ you deep copied yourself ! Feb 21 05:26:35 g00s: Indeed, I implement Cloneable Feb 21 05:32:25 g00s: kotlin: nope. I quite like the look of it and its approach (from the little I've seen), but no current projects I'd consider it for. and no annotations. Feb 21 05:33:05 much more likely if they add annotations, but I'd have to finish a few intermediate things first Feb 21 05:33:32 groxx: I agree the lack of annotations is annoying but since it's so easy to have Kotlin and Java coexist in a project, writing the @interface file is trivial Feb 21 05:35:39 cbeust: my interest is in large part code generation. though I see your point :) Feb 21 05:36:18 groxx: Hopefully code generation through annotation processors, which are the One and Only True Way. At Least As Of Early 2015. Feb 21 05:36:19 also java 8's annotation-based type system is interesting, and kotlin can't benefit from that. does it have anything similar? Feb 21 05:36:40 cbeust: definitely via annotation processor Feb 21 05:36:51 * cbeust highfives groxx Feb 21 05:38:41 Hi Feb 21 05:39:00 is there any good software for remotely viewing my android phone Feb 21 05:39:09 or remotely controlling phone Feb 21 05:39:20 I googled and found teamviewer quicksupport Feb 21 05:39:43 I installed it but it never showed up the phone window on the pc Feb 21 05:39:52 I can see only the chat window Feb 21 05:42:48 Anyone here use GreenDAO? Feb 21 05:52:11 if I want to do network I/O, I should do it in a separate thread? Feb 21 05:52:22 Always. Feb 21 05:53:10 so there's no asynchronous I/O API that ties into the main thread's event loop? Feb 21 05:53:25 There are plenty, starting with AsyncEventTask Feb 21 06:00:52 samsamsam: yep. problems, or questions? I unfortunately don't have much time tonight. Feb 21 06:03:22 PovAddict: I'm guessing they meant AsyncTask, unless ..Event.. is a class I just haven't noticed yet. Feb 21 06:06:12 samsamsam: in case you come back: if you're using it off the main thread, like you should, I'd recommend turning off its cache entirely. it's not threadsafe. cache externally. Feb 21 06:07:19 samsamsam: and I find its code generation weird and slightly disturbing. otherwise I mostly like it - reasonably straightforward code, excellent performance, fairly rich feature set. Feb 21 06:07:34 groxx: Sorry, Event is superfluous. AsyncTask, of course Feb 21 06:08:04 cbeust: yeah, just didn't want to mention you in case busy :) Feb 21 06:09:31 Hey I say something stupid, it's fair to correct me Feb 21 06:11:11 hey groxx Feb 21 06:11:41 i was wondering if you managed to usefts using GreenDAO since it is not yet supported Feb 21 06:11:50 * use fts Feb 21 06:11:56 samsamsam: ah. haven't tried. Feb 21 06:13:03 Thats sad. Google suggests to use fts for searching and no ORM yet support sit. Feb 21 06:13:30 samsamsam: seems like you should be able to add to the sqliteopenhelper, and just add the table. no convenience classes to use, but I don't see why it would conflict. Feb 21 06:15:41 samsamsam: yeah. FTS is great, but it's just a table of strings. should be relatively easy to handle by hand. Feb 21 06:18:23 how do I add images such that they will show up in a separate folder in the user's gallery? Feb 21 06:19:12 samsamsam: it does seem like something an orm could simplify though, yeah. I'll add it to my (long, busy) to-do list, it seems like it should be doable. Feb 21 06:19:57 zero guarantees of speed or even completion, but it sounds fun. watch it on github or something, it might happen. Feb 21 06:24:18 haha Thanks :D Feb 21 06:24:21 orm doesn't make fts any easier... Feb 21 06:28:21 I found other apps saving their pictures to the public directory, but one of them is not, yet all have their own folder in the gallery Feb 21 06:28:30 so there's something going on with the mediastore? Feb 21 06:32:36 pfn: no, but it lets you avoid interacting directly with Cursor. Feb 21 06:34:04 or, I can see some benefits. relations based on rowid, convenience methods for 'optimize' or 'match', etc. nothing significant, but about on par with anything most orms do. Feb 21 06:41:19 When an app wraps a WebView, is the name of the native, parent app sent to the web server as part of the HTTP headers sent by the WebView? Feb 21 06:41:36 no. Feb 21 06:42:22 pfn: If you own the server, is there any way to find out which app(s) open your site in a WebView? Grepping through HTTP request headers hasn't turned up anything. Feb 21 06:43:26 no Feb 21 06:46:41 pfn: Any clever ideas to figure out which mobile app(s) access a site in a WebView? Feb 21 06:47:09 if user agent is android, show a popup asking the user what app he's using Feb 21 06:47:10 :> Feb 21 06:56:32 PovAddict: I like how you think. or I hate it. probably one of those two. Feb 21 07:00:39 heisenberg says you can do both Feb 21 07:03:03 heh - but pauli says you can't so go figure Feb 21 07:15:06 Is there an IRC channel to get help for bricked phones? Feb 21 07:26:52 How do I trigger automatic conversion of hard-coded strings to strings xml? Feb 21 07:27:09 I did it a few times accidentally but that menu doesn't seem to pop up anymore Feb 21 07:35:22 knapper_tech: cmd shift a, "run inspection by name", " hardcoded strings ", maybe an "apply auto fix" exists? Feb 21 07:36:57 cool Feb 21 07:37:08 gonna have to make a run to pizza school Feb 21 07:37:20 we're going from shitty mockup to MVP in one week =D Feb 21 07:38:32 what's the quickest way to pop somethign over in a thread without abusing Rx? Feb 21 07:38:47 I do need some post action Feb 21 07:39:23 knapper_tech: not quite sure what you mean there, but I think subscribeOn controls the observable's thread? Feb 21 07:39:50 maybe I have that backwards though. Feb 21 07:46:24 <_genuser_> hey ppl. Feb 21 08:16:46 Can anyone give me a rough outline of what I need to look into in order to send a 'broadcast' to my app from, say, a chrome extension? I'm thinking something to do with Network Service Discovery (I only care about communicating from the same Wi-Fi network), so GCM is a bit heavy (I think) Feb 21 09:15:39 Hi, id like to understand something, if an API for Android refers to a native method. How do i find out where the native method is in the kernel sources? Feb 21 09:19:18 it doesnt have to be in kernel sources ? Feb 21 09:21:29 Anyone has an idea why recyclerview take full screen in dialog? Feb 21 09:21:45 val adapter = TogglesListAdapter(items) val recyclerView = RecyclerView(getActivity()) recyclerView.setHasFixedSize(true) recyclerView.setLayoutManager(LinearLayoutManager(getActivity())) recyclerView.setAdapter(adapter) Feb 21 09:21:49 because it doesn't implement wrap_content Feb 21 09:22:07 so what can I do in this case? Feb 21 09:22:19 you can work around it by overriding measure in layout manager Feb 21 09:23:07 has someone already done that? Feb 21 09:23:13 gordon_, this is the example: https://github.com/shorelinedev/aosp_frameworks_base/blob/master/services/java/com/android/server/ConsumerIrService.java there it says "native halTransmit" Feb 21 09:23:38 so my assumption was this must be somewhere in the kernel tarball for each specific device Feb 21 09:24:11 https://github.com/shorelinedev/aosp_frameworks_base/tree/master/services/jni Feb 21 09:26:21 JakeWharton: thanks, I've found that http://stackoverflow.com/a/28510031/3807749 Feb 21 09:26:26 ktwo: best is to download sources and look for hasSystemFeature Feb 21 09:26:53 or whatever method you want to check Feb 21 09:27:41 i just showed where it is Feb 21 09:27:46 https://github.com/shorelinedev/aosp_frameworks_base/blob/master/services/jni/com_android_server_ConsumerIrService.cpp Feb 21 09:27:59 gordon_, yea thanks will do, im downloading right now at 17K/s htc server seems to be a pain Feb 21 09:28:23 so, JakeWharton even showed you the jni method Feb 21 09:52:42 Hello Feb 21 09:52:47 Anyone with rx exp here? Feb 21 09:53:19 in rx java a subscriber observes on an observable, and the obserable is subscribed to the subsciber? Feb 21 09:57:19 rx 1.0.7 just came out :D Feb 21 09:57:41 lasserix a subscriber subscribes to an observable, and an observable can be subscribed my n subscribers Feb 21 09:57:48 s/my/by Feb 21 09:57:52 the subscriber acts on the observable call? Feb 21 09:58:17 acts on ? Feb 21 09:58:25 Action1 Feb 21 09:58:34 for cold observables, there is a side effect - hot, no side effect Feb 21 09:58:35 that's the whole reactive part? Feb 21 09:58:46 side effect? Feb 21 09:59:14 reactive = observables pushing probably Feb 21 09:59:51 so a bunch of views would be the subscribers for some observable data structure? Feb 21 09:59:57 lasserix a few bookmarks for you to read Feb 21 09:59:59 http://www.grahamlea.com/2014/07/rxjava-threading-examples/ Feb 21 10:00:09 and the stream in the transformations of the data structure? Feb 21 10:00:22 *is the Feb 21 10:00:53 its ahrd to explain over irc Feb 21 10:00:55 *hard Feb 21 10:00:58 hehe Feb 21 10:02:25 also see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27147179/rxjava-why-same-transformations-are-recomputed-for-each-observables-branch Feb 21 10:02:32 so i have this app, i need to get data from the web. however, everytime i get new data that data must be serialized so it is always avaialble if new data isn't available via the web. so i am thinking i can make that data the observable, and have serialized and put into a buffer. the buffer will also be observable, for the views that show the transformed data, those views being the subscribers, does that sound about right? Feb 21 10:02:36 lasserix did you watch any of the presentations ? Feb 21 10:02:48 which ones? Feb 21 10:02:58 any from ben christensen ? Feb 21 10:03:01 kinda saw jake warton about retrofit, but didn't go into detail Feb 21 10:03:04 like the goto conference one ? Feb 21 10:03:15 probably not ? Feb 21 10:03:27 i'd start there Feb 21 10:04:36 thanks Feb 21 10:05:09 can i observe on files? Feb 21 10:08:06 you can observe on anything that can be modeled as a stream Feb 21 10:08:13 there's nothing magic about observables Feb 21 10:09:16 right so i want to populate a buffer, the buffer being the stream, so some views can react to changes in buffer as subscribers, is that kind of the idea? Feb 21 10:10:14 well i have no idea what you mean by buffer, but sure. you basically have the idea Feb 21 10:10:22 i want to use a service to download some web stuff, with the primary function being to serialize it. however i want to emit it also to this buffer, so that any views that are subscribed (eg attached to the view hierarchy) will react to changes in the buffer and display the latest Feb 21 10:10:45 just a hashmap for housing view models for sets of views Feb 21 10:12:44 Also can I turn off all disk caching done by picasso? Feb 21 10:14:36 picasso does no disk caching Feb 21 10:14:49 the http client is responsible for disk caching Feb 21 10:14:52 oh ok Feb 21 10:15:06 i just have to manually download the images anyways so.. Feb 21 10:15:19 if you pass in an http client without disk caching enabled then there won't be any disk caching Feb 21 10:15:34 Gotcha Feb 21 10:20:01 Retrolambda is safe to use in production code? Feb 21 10:24:05 hi everyone Feb 21 10:26:39 wuddup playboi Feb 21 10:27:40 If I had a viewpager, would it be a bad idea to consider the pages the stream? Feb 21 10:31:14 no Feb 21 10:31:19 I think view pagers are just like listviews put sideways Feb 21 10:31:34 yeah Feb 21 10:31:37 cool Feb 21 10:31:52 that would make loading an rss feed easier Feb 21 10:34:04 how the DrawerLayout in main activity organized, do I create a new Activity instance when user click on menu item in DrawerLayout? Feb 21 10:34:58 you can do whatever you want? Feb 21 10:35:57 I do not know. Just trying to understand. Google Guide has simple example where just main activity layout background picture is changing in menu click handler. Feb 21 10:36:08 yeah Feb 21 10:36:28 This is how I do : load different fragments in the activity view when drawer items are selected. Then start new activity if any fragments require one. Feb 21 10:36:28 you can dump a listview inside the drawer, then whatever you want on the listview item clicks Feb 21 10:36:29 there is a Fragment instance Feb 21 10:36:53 ah.. so I have to dig into "Fragment" understanding. Thanks Feb 21 10:37:46 oh the sad never() observable Feb 21 10:38:21 why ? if null references were a billion dollar mistake do we live in an era when never() can be used to create an obserable! Feb 21 10:38:46 for testing i guess? Feb 21 10:43:36 I wonder if one should use okhttp or retrofit for json handling? Feb 21 10:43:46 why not retrofit on top of okhttp? Feb 21 10:44:30 I'm not sure. My app already works with json using okhttp Feb 21 10:44:32 lasserix: for flatMap-ing with based on a conditional Feb 21 10:44:42 ah Feb 21 10:44:44 thanks Feb 21 10:45:01 you can also use empty() for that Feb 21 10:45:52 you are about 100% ahead of me but it helps me understand flatmap ;p Feb 21 10:50:09 What is Bundle ? It seems like data structure Feb 21 10:50:58 mapping from string values to various types Feb 21 10:51:29 eeyup Feb 21 10:51:53 mostly something to send between activities and fragments Feb 21 10:52:36 mostly seems improper seeing as Bundle existed long before fragments were around Feb 21 10:53:14 yes I see this in context for sending arguments to fragment Feb 21 10:53:23 But there could be more use-cases for this Feb 21 11:02:45 what is the easiest way to compile ApiDemos from sdk/samples/android-21/legacy/ApiDemos/ ? Feb 21 11:03:04 just found that sdk has samples, but there is no any instructions how to run Feb 21 11:07:43 Dang, using retrofit does not seem easy Feb 21 11:10:21 hey there Feb 21 11:11:37 hey gdrc Feb 21 11:17:28 Can I ask about kernel development? Feb 21 11:17:52 Exacly compilation. Feb 21 11:37:50 Moter8: then you are doing it wrong Feb 21 11:40:40 can I call anything in onConfigurationChanged like supers to tell the app I decided I dont' care about config change? Feb 21 11:40:57 I'd like to handle rotation, but just in one fragmetn Feb 21 11:46:09 lasserix, I read the documentation but I dont get much of it Feb 21 11:49:43 Can I decide in Java whether or not to handle a configuration change? Feb 21 12:22:48 I can't wrap my head around this Feb 21 12:23:15 okhttp was easy to use, retrofit seems to be the opposite Feb 21 12:24:39 Moter8, whats the prob? Feb 21 12:26:06 restAdapters, interfaces, callbacks, I just dont get what these even do Feb 21 12:26:12 ill try reading more about it... Feb 21 12:28:11 then you need OOP training Feb 21 12:28:52 the interface defines the urls and return values for each rest call Feb 21 12:29:02 <_genuser_> anybody use office 365? Feb 21 12:29:08 callback is... well a callback. its run after the call has finished Feb 21 12:29:12 _genuser_, yes Feb 21 12:29:39 <_genuser_> danijoo: what the heck is it? I can't make heads or tails of it. Feb 21 12:29:49 whata the prob? Feb 21 12:29:52 whats Feb 21 12:30:20 <_genuser_> so it's a subscription service that you pay for monthly/yearly? Feb 21 12:30:21 Moter8: it's easy Feb 21 12:30:50 _genuser_, yeah. you dont buy the license to use office for your lifetime, but monthly/yearly Feb 21 12:30:59 if you stop paying, you cant use it anymore Feb 21 12:31:33 <_genuser_> danijoo: so if you're paying, you use the office on your deskto... which means it would install it first and then require a login, eh? Feb 21 12:31:45 yeah kinda Feb 21 12:32:17 i dont remember what it was. you either have to login and it calls home to check if you are allowed to use it once or you get a key Feb 21 12:32:20 i think the first one Feb 21 12:32:33 <_genuser_> what if you dont care for this online onedrive storage (which I dont understand why companies are shoving it down ppl's throats) or for any other stuff. Feb 21 12:32:47 <_genuser_> and you just want to use office on your desktop and just pay for it oneshot? Feb 21 12:33:06 what are some decent ways to save a bundle that I might want to reuse later, not just the provided savedInstanceState bundles? Feb 21 12:33:10 _genuser_, then you obviously dont buy office 365 Feb 21 12:33:34 and get a full office version for the cost of your soul Feb 21 12:33:46 <_genuser_> so then it's this optional "better" thing that is separate from the desktop version. nice. Feb 21 12:34:05 you can choose for a lifetime or 365days license basically Feb 21 12:34:08 thats all its about Feb 21 12:34:14 <_genuser_> well, the office version cost me nothing other than my school tuition. since microsoft has that program with school where students can get lot of stuff for free. Feb 21 12:34:40 _genuser_, lucky you. my university has deals with everyone except microsoft. Feb 21 12:35:13 <_genuser_> danijoo: so win7/8 license, sql servers, win2008 server, visio, prroject, etc... Feb 21 12:35:38 yeah I can have lots of cool stuff, but not that ^^ Feb 21 12:35:42 <_genuser_> oh wait, I remember that my school didn't have office suite in the list. but my brother's school did. $30 at bookstore. Feb 21 12:35:55 yeah exactly. Feb 21 12:36:02 office is often exluded Feb 21 12:36:20 <_genuser_> I like the full paid version, you pay once if you can afford and leave it running for as long as the hardware and software are useful. Feb 21 12:36:34 <_genuser_> this monthly business keeps you just tied in. Feb 21 12:37:09 <_genuser_> with old model you can delay upgrades and move all your files into a different format and then upgrade. but with constant paying model, geez, very annoying. Feb 21 12:37:11 _genuser_, i didnt get the full version because its office 2013 Feb 21 12:37:18 and there will be a new version soon (TM) Feb 21 12:37:18 <_genuser_> adobe moved to that format too with photoshop/flash Feb 21 12:37:49 and i didnt want to pay twice Feb 21 12:37:49 <_genuser_> I wonder if like adobe, microsoft will stop making a non-subscription version for the desktop Feb 21 12:37:56 i dont think so Feb 21 12:38:16 <_genuser_> you can't buy photoshop anymore. it's only subscription based. so are all adobe products Feb 21 12:38:23 yep Feb 21 12:39:06 I have some serializeable data I want to save somewhere Feb 21 12:39:12 they dont want companies to use old versions without paying :p Feb 21 12:39:55 <_genuser_> danijoo: well, if microsoft does move that way, not much ppl can do. it would suck. and I guess we'd all start paying. Feb 21 12:40:16 <_genuser_> and few ppl would move to ubuntu and claim it's so much better but secretly cry in the middle of the night. Feb 21 12:41:00 im fine with the monthly thing Feb 21 12:41:24 <_genuser_> oh u judas! Feb 21 12:41:47 ;) Feb 21 12:41:47 <_genuser_> suppose lot of ppl are ok with it, especially younger generation. Feb 21 12:41:56 why shoudnt I? Feb 21 12:42:11 <_genuser_> I just dislike having to pay monthly bills. whether paid one shot yearly or not is irrelevant. Feb 21 12:42:13 ok. I cant pay once and use my office 2013 in 2054 Feb 21 12:42:38 And I dislike paying huge amounts once :p Feb 21 12:42:47 its just a matter of opinion i guess Feb 21 12:43:11 <_genuser_> but small amount will make you just buy more services. that's how general population thinking works. Feb 21 12:43:28 <_genuser_> because it's only 9.99/mo. Feb 21 12:43:51 <_genuser_> hey my FLStudio 8 producers edition cost $150.00 because it was on sale. Feb 21 12:43:57 <_genuser_> and it's got free lifetime updates. Feb 21 12:44:04 <_genuser_> latest one is 11.5 Feb 21 12:46:18 <_genuser_> i've had win7 since at least 2011. at 9.99/mo it would have cost me $479.52 and still cost me more for this year. but I paid once $250 for OEM edition and can drive the hardware into the ground. Feb 21 12:47:05 <_genuser_> same goes for all software. small monthly fee would add up to a lot more whereas one time and making it last would end being cheaper. Feb 21 12:47:31 <_genuser_> anyway, just my thoughts. I was originally curious about what office 365 is, since I haven't used it. Feb 21 12:48:05 _genuser_, but what if the monthly fee lets u update to win8 for free (which is the case for office 365). Then you are at 500$ at win8 release while the 9.99$ guy is at 479 ;) Feb 21 12:48:45 <_genuser_> win8 was like 99.00. so 350 max. but also what if I didn't want to upgrade. Feb 21 12:49:21 then you disable updates ^^ Feb 21 12:49:25 <_genuser_> I like to leave my main desktop stable for long time. besides I got 2 free license for win8 due to the school/microsoft partnership. Feb 21 12:49:49 free licenses dont count :) of course they are cheaper than fees lol Feb 21 12:50:11 <_genuser_> sure disable updates, but still paying for the monthly bill. whereas paid once, dont care for new, no new payment. Feb 21 12:50:39 the thing is for stuff like office for example, I atm only have it because of university Feb 21 12:50:51 there are macro based docs to write papers that wont work without it Feb 21 12:51:04 and in a year or two -> who cares about win office? Feb 21 12:51:29 <_genuser_> for me it's nice to have word for home use (mostly excel) because it's really teh best office suite (for my tastes). and I paid the $30 once and done. Feb 21 12:51:31 thats why a full license is in no way rentable for me Feb 21 12:51:51 <_genuser_> now think about it, 9.99/mo for OS, 9.99/mo for office, it's gonna add up like cable bill eventually. Feb 21 12:52:22 nobody said its an option for everyone :) Feb 21 12:52:26 <_genuser_> I can also see how paying full price one time could be prohibitive for many ppl Feb 21 12:53:24 <_genuser_> I think as long as there's the option to maintain old style pay once and use as long as h/w and s/w allow, then I don't mind the new model. Feb 21 12:54:08 <_genuser_> because companies are going to make way more for monthly rental, if every one decides to move that way then it would kinda suck. Feb 21 12:54:09 And thats in the hand of the customers. Feb 21 12:54:16 the options that bring enough $ will stay Feb 21 12:55:04 <_genuser_> yes and no, I think. if they just go ahead and move to monthly model, most ppl wont just up and install linux. they'll pony up the cash. Feb 21 12:55:36 <_genuser_> some might move to mac, others will just have to pay. and increasingly every company will think hey we need to make money too. they'll all move. Feb 21 12:55:56 and they would only go ahead because it brings them more $ (because people stick with old versions otherwise) Feb 21 12:55:58 <_genuser_> in the end a monthly bill of 50-100 for regular computer usage would become normal. Feb 21 12:56:15 <_genuser_> and ppl would think oh hey it's just nothing. Feb 21 12:56:19 if everybody would always buy the newest versions, they woudnt care about adding all those infrastructure thats needed for monthly stuff Feb 21 12:56:34 How do I share bluetoothsocket between two activities? Are singletons good? Feb 21 12:56:57 <_genuser_> danijoo: I do think most ppl won't care. they'll just pay and get on with it. Feb 21 12:57:46 <_genuser_> danijoo: I think they might complain but eventually will just pay. I mean we have people who are completely broke but have 99/mo data plans for cell phones. Feb 21 13:09:36 _genuser_, the difference between software substcriptions and cell phones is that i dont have to pay it in the future without a chance to cancel it Feb 21 13:10:15 I can decide each month if I want it or cancel. With cell phones I "subscribe" for 2 years (germany) Feb 21 13:11:29 <_genuser_> I think more than that the point it customer's willingness to pay and lack of care. most people won't unsubscribe for months where they wouldn't use the service and then re-sub again when needed. Feb 21 13:11:37 <_genuser_> they'll keep paying. Feb 21 13:11:57 why can't I see Google API's under Compile SDK version in Module Settings of my project? I only see a prepopulated list of all Android versions, nothing to do with the ones I've installed or left out Feb 21 13:12:29 Im trying to target Google APIs v21, its causing my app to crash on startup with Main Activity class not found exception Feb 21 13:14:03 Ive set this in the app's build.gradle compileSdkVersion "Google Inc.:Google APIs:21" Feb 21 13:17:21 where does 30mb stand in the world of consuming-too-much-memory on Android? Feb 21 13:17:39 <_genuser_> alright, finally some sense of the Imagecache thing. it's finally coming along nicely. Feb 21 13:21:04 knapper_tech, low end Android phones have 512MB - 1GB while higher end phones have 2GB - $GB of RAM. Feb 21 13:22:53 I have no idea where some of my memory is getting allocated. Even if I load zero fragments, app consumes 16MB. It's up quite a bit from its former sveltness, but I can't account for it. Feb 21 13:25:48 knapper_tech, if a phone has 2Gb of ram, that doesnt mean your app can use 2Gb Feb 21 13:25:52 well, new use case for git bisect Feb 21 13:25:57 probably the standard libs Feb 21 13:25:58 lol, yes of course Feb 21 13:26:02 every app has a dedicated amount of ram that can be used Feb 21 13:26:06 and thats much much lower Feb 21 13:26:12 sometimes only 32 mb Feb 21 13:26:30 I'm curious as to where a naked app that doesn't instantiate any fragments can go up so much in memory consumption Feb 21 13:26:42 knapper_tech, images? Feb 21 13:26:59 images are much bigger once they are in memory Feb 21 13:27:08 danijoo, the UI doesn't ever load. Literally it's main activity inflating an image-less root layout Feb 21 13:27:14 a 100 kb image can easily take 500kb or more in memory Feb 21 13:27:24 yes. i know. Feb 21 13:27:26 hm. thats weird Feb 21 13:27:26 there are none Feb 21 13:27:31 what's baseline? Feb 21 13:27:43 I used to be at around 6MB Feb 21 13:27:49 Hi! How does AsyncResult work? E.g. in "mSomeRegistrantsList.notifyRegistrants((AsyncResult) msg.obj);", will notifyRegistrants only be called after msg.obj has gotten its value? (i assume that in Java, the parameters will be calculated before the method is called, thus we will block until msg.obj has gotten a value) Feb 21 13:28:14 But, i can also imagine that since we cast msg.obj to an AsyncResult, receiving a value can be done in the called function.. it is unclear to me how this works.. Feb 21 13:29:13 wow, I really understand nothing of what's going on Feb 21 13:29:36 cant I say I want to use Google API's as a target? like I used to in Eclipse? Feb 21 13:29:47 Seems like Eclipse has the best memory use investigation tools? Feb 21 13:37:40 so this is what I want to do http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11745314/why-retrieving-google-directions-for-android-using-kml-data-is-not-working-anymo/11745316#11745316 Feb 21 13:38:20 if you set compileSDKversion to be "Google,Inc:Google APIs:21" you get to use MapActivity, if you don't, you don't Feb 21 13:38:31 and I thought Maps were part of GPS now Feb 21 13:38:46 the wat is strong with this one Feb 21 13:45:34 Hello Feb 21 13:46:06 How have I to change the manifest in I use libsuperuser calls in java code? Feb 21 13:46:08 Any ideas? Feb 21 13:46:18 *if I use Feb 21 13:46:38 huh Feb 21 13:47:19 http://su.chainfire.eu/#how Feb 21 13:47:36