**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 22 02:59:59 2015 Feb 22 03:13:29 Is it a good idea for a reddit app to use WebView for animated GIFs? (Or is that just a cop-out?) Feb 22 03:13:49 I kinda feel like it's a cop-out but it'd be cool if I could convince myself otherwise. Feb 22 03:15:38 One problem with WebView is that I don't seem to have much control over the initial zoom level. Feb 22 03:22:28 I have an app that pulls superimposes a bitmap on top of another bitmap (captured image). However, its very low quality. I notice when I load the image as a png image view, it looks fine. Its only when its converted to a bitmap that the quality drops. Is there a way to add it so that it appears in the same way that an imageview png would appear (vector)? Feb 22 03:24:39 Does Picasso give me any help with animated GIFs? Feb 22 03:25:56 I wouldn't expect so, but the author of ImageViewEx, which seems to be about displaying animated GIFs, has deprecated it in favour of Picasso. Weird. Feb 22 03:31:02 TacticalJoke: you can do AnimationDrawable Feb 22 03:31:05 dump the frames in it Feb 22 03:31:51 also check Joel's answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7777315/showing-gif-in-android Feb 22 03:37:44 Thanks; I'll look at AnimationDrawable. Feb 22 03:37:53 Is using Movie a good idea? I've heard good and bad things about it. Feb 22 03:47:25 Romain Guy said "You can use the android.graphics.Movie class to play animated GIFs". Feb 22 03:52:36 If I'm using Picasso to download an image, what's the best to determine whether the downloaded image is an animated GIF? Feb 22 03:58:03 and a requesthandler? Feb 22 03:59:16 <_genuser_> lol, "who wants to chew the fat with chair lemur table?" Feb 22 04:07:36 anyone import u2020 to as? Feb 22 04:24:09 Whats up TacticalJoke Feb 22 04:32:14 hi, I am having issues getting retrofit to work with proguard under Android Studio Feb 22 04:32:43 I am using -keep and -nowarn but the library isn't working after proguad does stuff to it Feb 22 04:39:41 Did rxjava android change it's id from rxjava-android to rxandroid? Feb 22 04:39:45 Hey, drose379. Feb 22 04:39:55 Whats up? Hows the theming coming Feb 22 04:41:04 Oh, I've gone off on a tangent. Feb 22 04:41:13 Thinking about animated GIFs. Feb 22 04:41:24 "Tangent" good or bad? Feb 22 04:41:34 Sounds like youve gotten side tracked into something Feb 22 04:41:36 Happens to me alot Feb 22 04:41:42 Sometimes results in a cool feature though :D Feb 22 04:41:47 This is probably a good one. Feb 22 04:41:48 Yeah. Feb 22 04:42:03 So what are the GIFs for? Feb 22 04:43:47 Animated GIFs that people post on reddit. Feb 22 04:43:56 I'm currently showing them in a WebView but it's suboptimal. Feb 22 04:44:08 Ah ok, looking for other options? Feb 22 04:45:58 Yeah. Feb 22 04:46:05 I'd better run. It's so late. :D Feb 22 04:46:12 Aight, night Feb 22 04:46:15 Thanks for the help earlier Feb 22 04:46:33 No worries. Thanks for the APK! Feb 22 04:46:36 Talk to you later. Feb 22 04:55:20 hey guys Feb 22 04:55:25 I want to make an app Feb 22 04:55:33 is there a way though to load an app inside an app? Feb 22 04:55:40 since its largely an accessory app to another app Feb 22 04:56:01 I found some macro engines with root I can use potentially Feb 22 04:56:09 but itd be way better if I could just open the app inside my app Feb 22 04:56:12 and trigger clicks on it Feb 22 04:56:26 sounds horrible Feb 22 04:57:37 well its not an app about usability really Feb 22 04:57:39 yeah Feb 22 04:57:42 sounds like trojan Feb 22 04:57:43 its largely like glyd bot Feb 22 04:57:51 but for an android game Feb 22 04:57:54 instead of WoW Feb 22 05:00:42 sounds like a great way to get kicked from play :D Feb 22 05:01:04 Actually I read the Terms of Service and it's not against them directly Feb 22 05:01:16 I would feel bad.. if it wasn't one of the biggest money making games on Android Feb 22 05:01:22 and if it wasn't horribly unbalanced Feb 22 05:01:36 well I don't think anyone here will help you do that :P Feb 22 05:01:39 Pay2win meets pay MJCD 2 win Feb 22 05:01:48 *shrug* I can do it, I know two ways already Feb 22 05:01:59 I just thought there might be a way to make it an actual app Feb 22 05:02:06 rather than a script, which is less than robust Feb 22 05:02:42 There's people in this game who pay like $1200 a week just so they can stomp on little players lol Feb 22 05:02:53 they dont even get anything out of it, every time they attack it literally costs them money Feb 22 05:02:59 and they do it anyway Feb 22 05:03:02 so I don't feel bad Feb 22 05:03:04 help help help Feb 22 05:03:07 at giving the little guys an actual chance Feb 22 05:03:20 without spending tonnes anyway Feb 22 05:03:20 heh Feb 22 05:03:30 In an intent filter, what is ''? Feb 22 05:03:46 too hard to google this Feb 22 05:04:06 It's a filter on the intent's listed in the games manifest file Feb 22 05:04:11 probably for one called MESSAGE :P Feb 22 05:04:19 ok, but wtf is that? Feb 22 05:04:29 Its to interract with another app from within your app Feb 22 05:04:39 to invoke one of its manifested intents Feb 22 05:04:49 like....? Feb 22 05:04:49 as I say, in this case, quite likely to display a message Feb 22 05:05:33 like Feb 22 05:05:36 an alert? Feb 22 05:06:07 a message.... on the screen? Feb 22 05:06:10 could be lol Feb 22 05:06:11 Agamemnus intents are architectural backbone to android, with plenty of documentation - i see you're still not up for reading those however Feb 22 05:06:25 or it could just be called MESSAGE and actually kill a chicken in afghanistan Feb 22 05:06:30 FFS Feb 22 05:06:31 for all we know Feb 22 05:06:32 lol Feb 22 05:06:39 g00s: lol yeah Feb 22 05:06:44 that's Agamemnus for you Feb 22 05:06:56 Agamemnus: it's defined within the app, no way to know, it's just a label Feb 22 05:06:56 ................................................................................................................................ Feb 22 05:07:03 you can't do shit without having an intent filter for one activity in your manifest, maybe its time to figure out what that does Feb 22 05:07:10 lol ^^ Feb 22 05:07:11 jesus christ Feb 22 05:07:14 yep Feb 22 05:07:20 jesus christ indeed Feb 22 05:07:36 It's funny mainly because i've never made an app and even I know the basics of intents Feb 22 05:07:51 Yet half the time we have to listen to Agamemnus's confusion that his puzzle game isnt making him rich Feb 22 05:07:57 who cares, you still don't know what MESSAGE does Feb 22 05:07:59 (in other channels) Feb 22 05:08:07 in which you are banned Feb 22 05:08:16 lol right. Feb 22 05:08:55 It's like I ask, how do I fly a cessna Feb 22 05:09:05 It really isn't like that at all. Feb 22 05:09:14 and you say lol wut, learn the basics of how to fly an airplane Feb 22 05:09:23 Its more like you ask how to fly an airplane you made, with your own proprietary controls. Feb 22 05:09:31 Or an airplane your friend made Feb 22 05:09:44 and we go "Find the yolk" and you're like "It has no yolk, how to plane??" Feb 22 05:09:58 Mmm, now I want eggs. Feb 22 05:10:01 I think it is a Cordova thing (which you and g00s should know by now), but Google doesn't let me search for MESSAGE in caps. Feb 22 05:10:30 Agamemnus you should know by now, you're probably the only one here using cordova :D Feb 22 05:10:35 there is a reason for that XD Feb 22 05:10:39 hehe Feb 22 05:10:39 :| Feb 22 05:10:57 don't make me go Alladin on you Feb 22 05:11:03 So I was just on ##java and had DateTimeFormatter recommended to me over SimpleDateFormat - any opinions from you guys? Feb 22 05:11:54 Aladdin* Feb 22 05:14:37 AsyncTask AsyncTask is bad and you should feel bad Feb 22 05:14:42 haha Feb 22 05:14:54 what'd you say about me?!?! Feb 22 05:17:28 http://simonvt.net/2014/04/17/asynctask-is-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad/ Feb 22 05:17:34 actually not a bad article for noobs like me Feb 22 05:17:53 lol Feb 22 05:18:04 come back my n00bs Feb 22 05:18:07 I've seen that article - pretty cool Feb 22 05:18:32 Rx has certainly added some clarity and correction to the problems AsyncTask suffers from (nothing personal, AsyncTask) Feb 22 05:18:48 :'( Feb 22 05:18:59 Are you guys really just going to throw me to the curb like that? Feb 22 05:19:04 "What happens if the AsyncTask finishes between onDestroy of on Activity and onCreate of the next?" :p Feb 22 05:19:22 AsyncTask: You can fix it yourself, just pick a different nick! Feb 22 05:19:29 ++ :) Feb 22 05:19:32 capella: Yeah that's one of the main problems with AsyncTask Feb 22 05:19:45 CedricBeust: I could, but deep down inside I am still an AsyncTask! Feb 22 05:19:48 I like ansyctask Feb 22 05:19:55 er, the software variety Feb 22 05:20:00 XD Feb 22 05:20:36 Can you imagine someone with the nick |null| ? Feb 22 05:20:48 capella: lol Feb 22 05:20:55 you just segfault'd my brain Feb 22 05:21:01 masochist :p Feb 22 05:22:02 i dont think any library has done more to improve my android life than rxjava; i think now its all over my app except views aren't observables. i like libraries / technologies that change the way you think Feb 22 05:22:13 Thats not a problem of async task, thats the problem of bad coding. Feb 22 05:22:48 g00s can you make views observables? since you can view them as streams Feb 22 05:22:58 coming into and out of (eg onattach/detach) Feb 22 05:23:05 lasserix i think so people do, isn't there stuff for that in rxandroid ? Feb 22 05:23:17 g00s: I'm getting there too, thinking more and more of everything in terms of Observable/Subscriber/Filter Feb 22 05:23:47 and the strict grammar also makes you think clearly about who things are done, and torn down Feb 22 05:24:02 onNext (onError | inCompleted)? Feb 22 05:24:09 oops, i even messed that up Feb 22 05:24:19 back later :) Feb 22 05:25:37 There are gotchas though, and it didn't take me long to hit them. But you figure them out one by one Feb 22 05:26:47 yeah i still hit gotchas. lasserix one thing to remember about rx is everything is decorated (they use decorator pattern all over) Feb 22 05:26:59 my last gotcha was mixing hot and cold observables Feb 22 05:27:13 which is fine, i just didn't know what i was doing Feb 22 05:29:17 I suspect I am bumping my head against an android build tool vs. Gradle or Maven, as I created a pom.xml to build the same artifact and am seeing the same behavior. Specifically, the R.class and all of its inner static classes are not being included in the generated .aar. The BuildConfig.class is, however despite the R.class existing side-by-side in the intermediate directory, it is not included in the archive. Feb 22 05:29:52 E sho Feb 22 05:30:02 R should never be included in the aar Feb 22 05:30:54 R is generated by the consuming project Feb 22 05:31:08 R.txt is included in the aar Feb 22 05:31:54 Maybe a stupid question, but why not? This isn't my library I am trying to build. It is the android-support-v4-preferencefragment project on GitHub. It has it's own resources which are required. Feb 22 05:32:40 I'm just getting a NoClassDefFoundError on the R$layout class when I try to use the library. Feb 22 05:33:40 you aren't using it right Feb 22 05:34:30 build config really shouldn't be included in the aar either... Feb 22 05:35:37 Okay... Based on the error, what stupid mistake could I have made. I merely included the project in my dependencies and extended the provided wrapper class. Feb 22 05:36:49 how can I make a ListView row with a checkbox, where any part of the row can be tapped to tick or untick the checkbox? Feb 22 05:36:57 sounds like you unpacked the aar and included the jar inside Feb 22 05:37:42 Can someone help me with restructuring this method to get around some of the "This Variable Might Not Have Been Initialized" errors I'm getting? http://pastebin.com/hX8Unn0Y Feb 22 05:37:45 but since you expect people to read minds, that's all the help you're gonna get Feb 22 05:38:10 t0astt, then initialize your variables first Feb 22 05:38:13 + Feb 22 05:38:27 = null or 0 or 1 or whatever as appropriate Feb 22 05:41:29 pfn: That won't help because since I'm accessing some of the variables within inner methods they need to be declared final. I have one thing I just thought of to try, though Feb 22 05:42:23 assign a new variable after calculating Feb 22 05:43:18 instead of that, can I just inflate a layout before I use it in my MaterialDialog.Builder() ? That would solve this problem right away Feb 22 05:43:30 Because right now I'm doing this Feb 22 05:43:32 .customView(R.layout.myshifts_new_shift_dialog) Feb 22 05:43:44 But if I can inflate it before I need to call it there, it'd make it simpler Feb 22 05:43:55 :) Sorry. I can provide more info. And no I did not unpack the aar. I just included it as a dependency in the Maven pom. For some reason, when I deploy to the device and it attempts to execute, it wants the R$layout class, so I get a NoClassDefFoundError, which makes sense since the .aar does not contain the class. So I was trying to rebuild it. Feb 22 05:44:47 ok, I tried adding a checkbox to the list row, and setting an onclicklistener on the whole row that toggles the checkbox Feb 22 05:44:57 However, the original question was why the archive tool would not package up the R.class and its inner static classes, when it would include the BuildConfig.class was sitting in the same intermediate directory. Feb 22 05:44:57 it works, but doesn't animate how I'd like it to :( Feb 22 05:45:42 because, the aar spec says no R Feb 22 05:46:32 And there is no way of overriding that? Feb 22 05:46:38 But that is great info. Feb 22 05:46:58 Thank you. Feb 22 05:47:41 After I saw the same behavior in both Gradle and Maven, I figured it had to be the tool they were both invoking. Feb 22 05:55:56 your consuming tool is broken Feb 22 05:56:06 the maven plugin sucks Feb 22 05:56:43 speaking of plugins, someone's using retrolambda in my plugin, neat... Feb 22 05:58:51 fbrier, build using gradle, not maven Feb 22 06:00:19 fbrier, or update your maven plugin Feb 22 06:04:16 <_genuser_> anybody have recommendation for irssi plugin for marking user away? Feb 22 06:04:58 pfn did you add plugins / scripting to qicr ? Feb 22 06:05:02 <_genuser_> nvm, google should have been first stop Feb 22 06:05:03 js / lua Feb 22 06:05:07 no Feb 22 06:05:09 not yet Feb 22 06:05:31 it's quite low on my list of things to do Feb 22 06:05:46 sure, probably headache for support Feb 22 06:09:05 hm, this is irritating. not until API 21, can you hint BLE about connection priority. so if the peripheral isn't smart enough to do upgrade priority when lots of data will xfer, then you'll be forced to run at low priority and things take forreeevvverrr Feb 22 06:09:39 * g00s seriosuly thinking about limiting ble functions to api 21 just for less hassle Feb 22 06:09:54 <_genuser_> ugh brb Feb 22 06:10:49 <_genuser_> hey ppls Feb 22 06:10:54 <_genuser_> hey ppls. Feb 22 06:11:33 hey thepoosh Feb 22 06:11:37 ! Feb 22 06:11:43 ! indeed Feb 22 06:11:45 sick today Feb 22 06:11:49 man flu ? Feb 22 06:12:09 thepoosh all that sprinting .... Feb 22 06:12:17 nah Feb 22 06:12:23 it snowed over the weekend Feb 22 06:12:47 you dont get sick from the cold Feb 22 06:12:56 in fact, cold improves your immune system Feb 22 06:15:08 yes i know Feb 22 06:15:14 my sister is a doctor Feb 22 06:15:23 i got something from my kidsa Feb 22 06:15:25 kid Feb 22 06:15:28 kids Feb 22 06:15:52 and staying home locked up moving from AC to snow kinda messed me up Feb 22 06:18:08 thepoosh so you're going to take it easy for a while and work from home :) Feb 22 06:18:16 maybe Feb 22 06:18:24 for now, i'm resting Feb 22 06:24:12 <_genuser_> can someone highlight my nick and say something? please. Feb 22 06:25:37 _genuser_: Feb 22 06:27:35 <_genuser_> thepoosh: does it send you back an away message? I'm messing with an away script. Feb 22 06:27:42 no Feb 22 06:27:56 <_genuser_> oh well, need to mess with it more then. :) thanks. Feb 22 06:28:43 <_genuser_> it's nice that it keeps an away log.. Feb 22 06:29:17 thepoosh what do the kids like to do in their spare time Feb 22 06:29:35 <_genuser_> his kids or all kids? Feb 22 06:29:36 g00s do you have any example code you could post from your project that shows how to use observer/subscriber for something Feb 22 06:29:39 my oldest is 3 and the youngest is 1 Feb 22 06:29:45 <_genuser_> pretty open ended question there. Feb 22 06:29:55 they don't really dio anything Feb 22 06:30:04 <_genuser_> 3 and 1. that's an awesome time. Feb 22 06:30:11 :D Feb 22 06:30:26 <_genuser_> boys girls? Feb 22 06:30:52 <_genuser_> I think a girl is the only time men openly get all girly and freely admit to doing girly stuff and actually nobody thinks of them any different. Feb 22 06:31:17 but then girls get cooties sometime around 5 Feb 22 06:32:37 lasserix there are lots of good tuts, did you see parts 1-4 http://blog.danlew.net/2014/09/15/grokking-rxjava-part-1/ Feb 22 06:32:47 yeah but those are snippets Feb 22 06:32:52 lasserix also , do you know JS ? Feb 22 06:32:53 i kinda wanted to see in a an actual project Feb 22 06:32:58 nah not really Feb 22 06:33:00 ah, ok Feb 22 06:33:06 i can kinda read it Feb 22 06:33:13 <_genuser_> g00s: I meant daughters. Feb 22 06:34:07 hi Feb 22 06:35:03 like for instance, i have a custom view. has some compound views, lots of text, fits in a big scrollview. right now the user can pick locations, where each location has one of those. to get the data from the web api, takes 2 seconds. So what I was thinking is to starta service, download all of them, prepare them for view modeling, then serialize them and also put them in a map that a presenter can subscribe to. so when the map Feb 22 06:35:04 changes, the presenters (that are subscribed by onattach living with the view) will udpate the display (only when they are visible) otherwise the data will be serialized down so it can also be read offline/ loaded faster Feb 22 06:35:44 for rx stuff, just trying to figure out what;s the best way to for instance, let the presenters suscribe to the map observable Feb 22 06:35:54 lasserix: https://github.com/path/android-priority-jobqueue Feb 22 06:35:56 guess that would be what DI / dagger is for Feb 22 06:35:58 sounds like you want that Feb 22 06:36:00 naplam no Feb 22 06:36:08 oh no? Feb 22 06:36:09 i want to download ALL of the locations, regardless of priority Feb 22 06:36:16 lool Feb 22 06:36:22 they must be available for offline viewing, so the priority is not so much the question Feb 22 06:36:24 what's the best way to fetch a text file from a http server and have the content end up in a String rather than a file? Feb 22 06:36:42 tegee okhttp response response = requet.response.body.tostring Feb 22 06:36:48 or something like that Feb 22 06:36:50 lasserix: ok, whatever.. Feb 22 06:36:55 its too late.. been working too hard Feb 22 06:36:59 nighty night people Feb 22 06:37:02 Napalm: priority queue to solve which problem? just loading Feb 22 06:37:03 cya g00s Feb 22 06:37:04 oh ok goodnight Feb 22 06:37:10 hey Napalm Feb 22 06:37:10 lasserix: yes Feb 22 06:37:10 priority queue is just one small part of it ;p Feb 22 06:37:18 oh going, gnight Napalm :) Feb 22 06:37:58 lasserix: thx, I'll have a go Feb 22 06:37:58 just wish there were more github projects with rx java Feb 22 06:38:41 anyone know the basis of creating a chooser that allows a user to pick a new default even though one is already set? Feb 22 06:40:37 knapper_tech: think you can take user to clear default for that intnet, then onresult launch yours so they can pick it as default Feb 22 06:42:01 lasserix, I've gotten that workflow up and running. I've seen some apps that seem to be able to force the "always" "just once" buttons to show up Feb 22 06:42:17 the prompt when the resolver doesnt' find a default Feb 22 06:43:40 close to just disassembling one =X Feb 22 07:00:15 lasserix: I can't find the "body" bit. snippets on the web all seem to use a bufferedReader to assemble the HttpEntity content into a string Feb 22 07:00:17 lasserix i wouldn't rx all the things yet. just use it on the periphery for now Feb 22 07:01:28 get a firm grasp of the basics, subscription side effects ... and then build larger chains that encompass more and more things Feb 22 07:02:07 I think a first step toward converting to Rx is whenever you use some observable interface (onError/onSuccess, or any similar listener interface) Feb 22 07:03:57 yeah. like i made observables out of my bt-classic and ble device scanners. and the blacklist is an observable. and the cached devices is an observable, whalla - all these get chained together, no state Feb 22 07:06:15 lasserix if you watch the video, there is one rule: dont mutate state outside of the chain ;) Feb 22 07:08:01 besides upping the view pager limit, what's the goto-way to reduce the work required to re-dislpay a bunch of views? Feb 22 07:09:13 CedricBeust presumably, you are pretty good at java concurrency ? Feb 22 07:10:01 g00s: Enough to know that I'll never understand the subject fully :) Feb 22 07:11:06 i was going through the android BLE code and think i found some serious concurrency-related design flaws (multiple threads accessing unsynchronized state). one of those, holy cow this is either super serious - or i just don't know what i'm doing. if i write up the bug on pastebin, would you look it over before submitting it? Feb 22 07:11:33 before i submit it (and make an ass out of myself :) Feb 22 07:11:46 Sure, but no promise :) Feb 22 07:12:16 thanks Feb 22 07:12:42 g00s what i saw of the bl code seems like a lot of the multithreaded stuff is based on principles of emergent state Feb 22 07:13:03 What's the principle of emergent state? Feb 22 07:13:23 ~you don't really need to synchronize what is transient, or at least its not as important Feb 22 07:13:39 *transient and cyclic, i guess Feb 22 07:14:27 Not sure I understand. Not synchronizing when reading means you might read stale values (best case scenarios) or corrupt ones (if the writes aren't atomic) Feb 22 07:15:02 yeah. the BLE apis require you register a listener. that listener is called on one of several binder threads. state there is being mutated on those binder threads and your app's thread. its not good Feb 22 07:15:17 Yeah doesn't sound good Feb 22 07:16:06 you mean 4.3+ ble api or 5.0+? Feb 22 07:16:11 when i saw that i thougt, you have to be kidding ... but surely, this was written by googlers and they know what they are doing :) Feb 22 07:16:21 Ashiren both Feb 22 07:19:02 Ashiren are you familiar with the BLE apis ? Feb 22 07:19:55 nah Feb 22 07:24:36 although Feb 22 07:24:52 is this common to lose so many ble advertising packets? Feb 22 07:25:07 i have something that advertises every second, it lies next to phone Feb 22 07:25:33 but sometimes phone picks up every 2, 3 or even 5 seconds Feb 22 07:26:01 its hard to say. if on 5 you will be using different scanning apis. on 4.x on some device, startLeScan only gives you the first received packet Feb 22 07:26:29 so you have to repeatedly start/stop the scans Feb 22 07:26:40 i do that on one device Feb 22 07:26:44 the other one works fine Feb 22 07:26:50 i mean still loses packets Feb 22 07:26:54 but i dont need to restart Feb 22 07:28:44 ok Feb 22 07:28:47 so Feb 22 07:29:11 Someone clicked an ad in my game Feb 22 07:29:18 from Australia Feb 22 07:29:31 lets celebrate! Feb 22 07:29:40 $2.62 Feb 22 07:29:51 well, 2 people clicked Feb 22 07:29:53 that will buy a vegamite sandwich Feb 22 07:29:54 $554.45 eCPM Feb 22 07:30:05 from Australia at least Feb 22 07:30:12 Actually I have never made this much money Feb 22 07:30:23 $5.38 Feb 22 07:30:36 last two weeks were crap though Feb 22 07:30:52 0 yesterday, and $.01 the day before. Feb 22 07:34:37 Agamemnus i hate to break it to you, but you're not getting rich, or even coming across circumstance altering amount of money from a javascript jigsaw puzzle Feb 22 07:34:53 or from advertising on mobile in general Feb 22 07:37:45 Agamemnus: I dare you to do an app the normal way, that we do it ... Feb 22 07:38:45 Agamemnus i friend recommended this to me http://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Billion-Dollar-Entrepreneurs-ebook/dp/B00J3C4RE6 Feb 22 07:38:57 i plan on reading it too. maybe it will give you some ideas Feb 22 07:39:02 Agamemnus: I also dare you to not be evil Feb 22 07:43:27 shmooz, sorry, what's the normal way? Feb 22 07:43:46 not using phoneGap Feb 22 07:43:51 I SEE Feb 22 07:43:53 Like it matters Feb 22 07:44:02 The better the game gets, the less people click Feb 22 07:44:12 and then you have fit about basic things like Intents Feb 22 07:44:24 go Aladdin on us Feb 22 07:44:28 I will Feb 22 07:44:37 show you the... Feb 22 07:44:45 Agamemnus: your business plan wasn't really going to stack up though: youmade a game for 5 year olds, who typically don't buy much on their own... Feb 22 07:45:05 I'm "pivoting". Feb 22 07:45:43 actually 5-year olds are probably the best audience Feb 22 07:45:52 they just click randomly Feb 22 07:46:06 how does one pivot a jigsaw game ? Feb 22 07:46:09 That's why parents lock their phones from buying Feb 22 07:46:17 <_genuser_> no, you want games that even grampas will play. Feb 22 07:46:20 Source: parent of a five year old Feb 22 07:46:20 we should force him to learn java Feb 22 07:46:24 Yeah you should probably make fun parts of your UI look more like the ads... Feb 22 07:46:32 <_genuser_> like candy crush and they'll actually do IAP's and mean it. Feb 22 07:47:16 I meant that I am trying a new audience Feb 22 07:48:02 <_genuser_> anybody actually working on any game? Feb 22 07:48:27 I am targeting females on facebook... Feb 22 07:48:37 from rich countries... Feb 22 07:48:44 <_genuser_> first you said children. then you said females. Feb 22 07:48:51 <_genuser_> is it time to /ignore you? Feb 22 07:48:58 Well, you can't target children on facebook Feb 22 07:49:12 Only 13+. Feb 22 07:49:23 Not young children, anyway. Feb 22 07:49:32 he is being as evil as he can without breaking the law Feb 22 07:49:43 I basically targeted anyone who liked jigsaw games Feb 22 07:49:57 and then he stalks them Feb 22 07:50:01 But it turned out that 97% of the installs (from facebook) were female. Feb 22 07:50:21 So I started targeting females only -- that makes installs cheaper as I'm paying per view/impression. Feb 22 07:51:25 females what age? Feb 22 07:51:30 i am guessing mothers? Feb 22 07:51:43 since jigsaws puzzle games are primarly the entertainment of 5 year olds Feb 22 07:51:55 What age? I don't know what age actually. I've been trying to figure this out, still trying to find that. Feb 22 07:53:22 Ok, I got it Feb 22 07:53:24 if they don't play for awhile, he'll email them saying, how come you stopped playing? Feb 22 07:53:43 or something like that Feb 22 07:53:51 tell them how you stalk your app users Feb 22 07:53:53 There are 4 categories Feb 22 07:54:28 13-17, 18-24, 25-34, 35-44, 45-54, 55-64, and 65+ Feb 22 07:54:33 ok, that's 7 categories Feb 22 07:55:24 Trying to figure out who's installing Feb 22 07:55:47 take a picture when they smile Feb 22 07:56:28 don't forget to mute the shutter sound Feb 22 07:57:05 this is a little confusing because they combine installs and likes in one metric Feb 22 07:57:10 Not sure how to separate it. Feb 22 07:57:21 but, no likes today Feb 22 07:57:34 or you can take a picture when they press 'I Agree' Feb 22 07:58:46 weird pidcat isn't working on my laptop, worked on my desktop, should be same OS Feb 22 07:58:51 adb logcat works Feb 22 07:58:52 my strongest category is in the 45-54 and 55-64 ages Feb 22 07:59:10 yes as people age they become like children Feb 22 07:59:16 grandparents trying to keep their offsrpings offsprings busy Feb 22 07:59:27 Well Feb 22 07:59:37 So it's like this, this is lifetime installs Feb 22 07:59:51 24-78-64-60-52-40 Feb 22 07:59:58 The first category is 65+ Feb 22 08:00:05 last category is 18-24 Feb 22 08:00:14 congrats, you have taken over the world! Feb 22 08:00:34 the 13-17 range I just added so I didn't write it Feb 22 08:01:00 basically it's older females (maybe for their kids or themselves?) but really old females (65+) aren't downloading as much Feb 22 08:03:40 It also looks like Great Britain likes me a lot. Feb 22 08:03:49 at the end of the day how much you do really expect to make off a jigsaw puzzle game? Feb 22 08:04:09 I'm planning something else Feb 22 08:04:14 It's a lot worse than I expected Feb 22 08:04:18 I do like the statistics Feb 22 08:05:54 Hello Feb 22 08:06:05 hello Feb 22 08:06:10 How have I to change the manifest if I use libsuperuser calls in java code? Feb 22 08:06:20 Any ideas? Feb 22 08:06:45 The only thing that I can say is that you should never release a game that you think is better than other games where there are 1000000000000000 competitors Feb 22 08:07:04 because it is a sea of trash Feb 22 08:07:16 lol Feb 22 08:09:12 actually i got 45 ad impressions and $0 revenue from the UK today but almost all the revenue was from australia and the US. Feb 22 08:10:56 I am still really struggling with demographics Feb 22 08:11:27 It's very easy to ascribe the demographics I see to women with children. Feb 22 08:11:40 But is it really the case? I'm not convinced Feb 22 08:13:28 lol, a review of yelp app http://imgur.com/EJtzeCz Feb 22 08:13:32 the holy grail here is to know with certainty. There are a lot of things that can be improved if it was only kids Feb 22 08:14:02 Agamemnus can you take this to /r/androidapps or something ? Feb 22 08:14:20