**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 27 02:59:58 2015 Feb 27 03:00:15 how about extending edittext for this capability, and use it across the app. Feb 27 03:01:15 so, I'm reasonably certain it's _possible_ to patch things to make it work. Or add other in-code modifications. but rich text pasting seems likely to break LOTS of things, it seems like there's probably something simpler that I'm missing. Feb 27 03:57:30 Hi! How do people usually use emojis in popular Android apps? Do they actually type the whole thing ie. `:smile:`? Feb 27 03:57:43 Or does some sort of helper appear (like on GitHub) once you start typing `:`? Feb 27 03:58:22 Currently working on http://jsfiddle.net/frank_o/d75tmtod/2/ but not sure how to make it usable for my mobile users. Feb 27 04:13:49 What risks do I run if I subscribe to my Otto event bus in my activity's onCreate and onDestroy instead of onPause and onResume? Feb 27 04:14:09 Right now, my activity subscribes to 1 event, which when published creates a fragment transaction Feb 27 04:14:34 typically things should be subscribed / unsubscribed in onStart / onStop, whether broadcast receiver, ContentObservers, etc Feb 27 04:15:07 service binding also in onStart/onStop Feb 27 04:18:37 ok that will work for me Feb 27 04:29:41 frank_o: usually I see emoji keyboards (4.4+ has one built in), or sometimes apps that make it easy to copy emoji (and things like (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ) Feb 27 04:30:28 groxx: nice! emoji keyboards, really? what like part of android or part of the app? Feb 27 04:31:07 frank_o: if you search for "emoji" on the play store, there's like a million of them: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=emoji Feb 27 04:31:29 also, the stock google keyboard on 4.4 and newer has an emoji mode Feb 27 04:31:48 whether or not they have the google keyboard depends on the device / carrier though Feb 27 04:32:21 ah yeah sorry i see you mentioned that Feb 27 04:32:26 hmm Feb 27 04:32:34 very interesting.. Feb 27 04:32:42 thanks a lot for sharing groxx :P Feb 27 04:33:21 why the hell is miley cyrus popping up under emojis :S Feb 27 04:33:26 ol Feb 27 04:33:28 lol Feb 27 04:33:58 I try not to ask questions like that. I don't really want to know the answer D: Feb 27 04:34:39 hahah Feb 27 04:35:39 frank_o: fwiw iOS 8 now has a whole keyboard plugin system thing like Android's, so newer iOS users will also be able to type them natively Feb 27 04:36:00 hi Feb 27 04:36:12 anyone up who can give me advice Feb 27 04:36:33 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Feb 27 04:37:38 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Feb 27 04:38:11 groxx: nice. i guess this means trouble for me though, if im gonna do something like http://jsfiddle.net/frank_o/d75tmtod/3/ i'd probably have to put in checks to see whether they already have one of these emoji keyboards.. Feb 27 04:38:57 I am starting android programming my main goal is to learn cardboard sdk. my dream is to make a side by side launcher that is dividing the view of the home screen into two equal halves Feb 27 04:39:11 will this be possible or is it a pipe dream Feb 27 04:42:42 frank_o: personally, I wouldn't try to detect it. you probably can't, in all cases. just add a "show emoji keyboard" button or something, and keep it hidden by default. Feb 27 04:43:22 hmmm Feb 27 04:43:25 that can be done yeah Feb 27 04:43:33 linuxuz3r: hmmmm. to do it at all: probably doable. to do it really smoothly: dunno. possible pipe-dream, for a beginning thing. how much programming have you done before? Feb 27 04:43:40 "show emoji dropdown" for desktop and "show emoji keyboard" for mobile -- excellent idea Feb 27 04:43:54 yep, because desktop tends to have crappy emoji inputs :) Feb 27 04:44:20 i know c c++ java and linux but i dont know anything about android Feb 27 04:44:54 frank_o: personally, if yours allows searching, I might use it in all cases. sometimes faster than any keyboard, if I don't know exactly where the character is. so it's not something I'd actually _hide_ anyway. Feb 27 04:45:32 linuxuz3r: a bunch of c/c++/java, or just a little? though that's encouraging :) Feb 27 04:45:48 i would say intermediate Feb 27 04:45:58 to advance Feb 27 04:46:24 I just spent woo Feb 27 04:46:26 oops Feb 27 04:46:29 woo, I mean Feb 27 04:46:32 linuxuz3r: I don't know exactly how launchers build their list of app icons, but you can read the source for some. I think http://androidxref.com/5.0.0_r2/xref/packages/apps/Launcher2/ is the current one on stock android? Feb 27 04:46:43 I just spent $40, and a rom flash later I have a galaxy s2, the fastest gingerbread device in ze world Feb 27 04:47:28 linuxuz3r: beyond that, read the high-level introductory stuff on developer.android.com because it's pretty much all important and it's what lots of newbies get stuck on because they don't read it. Feb 27 04:47:59 groxx: good call there.. definitely gotta include searching Feb 27 04:48:33 rul llamas run! http://digg.com/video/llama-chase-video-arizona-llamapalooza Feb 27 04:48:47 does anyone knows how to show utf-8 characters in gcm notification Feb 27 04:48:51 frank_o: I just hate hunting for e.g. the camera emoji, when I could filter it with "cam" and find it already. figuring out useful words for them instead of the official UTF descriptions can be a challenge though :) Feb 27 04:49:15 groxx: oh man Feb 27 04:49:15 ServerCrash: GCM notifications don't "show" anything, but I assume you mean notifications on the device? it'll only work on 4.2+. Feb 27 04:49:19 lots of great ideas up in the air right now !! Feb 27 04:49:29 groxx: i think https://github.com/brianreavis/sifter.js would be perfect for that.. Feb 27 04:49:52 but yeah sounds extremely usable.. Feb 27 04:50:06 groxx ya i mean when we recieve a data and show notification to user Feb 27 04:50:21 well GCM push works for 4.0+ atleast for me Feb 27 04:50:51 ServerCrash: yeah, but below 4.2 there's no built-in emoji capabilities, so you might just get "[x]" characters Feb 27 04:51:31 but issue is that if i try to show a utf-8 encoded data in the notification, it shows up as some numberic values followed by &; Feb 27 04:51:43 like 2323&; blah blah blah Feb 27 04:52:42 to me it looks like some sort of encoding and decoding issues, i can see that notification data perfectly in webview containter inside my app Feb 27 04:53:18 ServerCrash: hmm. I'm under the impression that Java can decode (valid) UTF-8 from the GCM message, but I don't know if I've actually tried. Feb 27 04:54:02 groxx, yups that was my impression too..until someone came up with chinese characters and Hindi characters Feb 27 04:54:22 ServerCrash: is there a database involved? Feb 27 04:55:11 yes Feb 27 04:55:27 i store the data into db and then show it up in a webview Feb 27 04:55:34 *sqlite db Feb 27 04:55:47 hey Feb 27 04:56:02 how to generate waveform of audio file in real time Feb 27 04:56:09 not entirely sure what sqlite does, but with mysql at least you need to explicitly enable 4-byte UTF-8 support, or it truncates at 3, which breaks a lot of characters: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-utf8mb4.html Feb 27 04:56:42 well i show notification before storing into DB Feb 27 04:57:07 and also i am not facing issue in showing the data from DB into WebView Feb 27 04:57:15 ah, right Feb 27 04:57:19 hm Feb 27 04:57:52 so probably the Notification Compat builder needs some sort of encoding done Feb 27 04:58:50 my guess is actually that the webview is detecting the encoding, instead of showing whatever it's encoded as in java Feb 27 04:58:59 not certain about that though :) googling. Feb 27 05:00:14 i tried to do utf-8 decoding too, but didnt work :( Feb 27 05:00:29 how to generate waveform of audio file in real time Feb 27 05:00:32 anyone ? Feb 27 05:02:09 ServerCrash: hm :( not finding anything conclusive, though I suppose at worst you could base-64 encode the text, send via gcm, and decode it on the receiving side. Java is at least _capable_ of handling those characters (I just dove down this rabbit hole recently. they become CESU-8 surrogate pairs, if you feel like reading encoding specs.) Feb 27 05:03:02 ServerCrash: but, just to double-check, you're on 4.2 or newer? Feb 27 05:03:21 groxx: Thanks, but i thought this was basic, and UTF-8 handling must have been part of it. Feb 27 05:03:40 groxx: yes i tested from 4.0 to 5.0 :D Feb 27 05:03:43 all have same issue Feb 27 05:04:27 either the data that i am sending is not properly encoded to show in android native , but shows up perfectly on webview Feb 27 05:06:03 fwiw webviews are pretty permissive. might be worth double-checking the data, e.g. by dumping the bytes of the message and comparing to e.g. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1F4F7/index.htm Feb 27 05:06:23 i guess gcm has fixed it https://github.com/kurthuwig/gcm/commit/d37f4d1c37ed8deaf1a161ca7b881c1d843f80df Feb 27 05:06:32 have to check my encoding and decoding Feb 27 05:08:12 ServerCrash: fwiw that commit covers the sending side, not the receiving, as far as I can tell Feb 27 05:08:38 so if you're sending messages from android to other androids, that might apply, but it might not if the message is coming from your server / something. Feb 27 05:09:28 groxx : ya i thought if someone has done for sending, then there must have been a fix on receiving side too :D..but yes need to check it from WebServer to Andorid scenario Feb 27 05:09:48 ☺😊😀😁😂😃😄😅 Feb 27 05:09:54 🔰💄👞👟👑👒🎩🎓 Feb 27 05:10:04 works fine Feb 27 05:19:36 Microsoft's new web rendering engine: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2x9bh1/a_break_from_the_past_the_birth_of_microsofts_new/ Feb 27 05:20:36 * groxx still hopes Servo will end up awesome Feb 27 05:21:19 TacticalJoke my main man Feb 27 05:21:30 have you used rxJava lately? Feb 27 05:21:42 public static void tacticalJob(String[] args) Feb 27 05:21:48 joke* Feb 27 05:22:02 CedricBeust, tacticleJob makes more sense in this case Feb 27 05:22:03 :p Feb 27 05:22:15 i expect valid answers, not funnies. Feb 27 05:22:27 kevel: Unfortunately ,I know nothing about rxJava. Feb 27 05:22:29 , * Feb 27 05:22:37 ish. Feb 27 05:22:52 kevel: but programming is fun! Feb 27 05:23:01 groxx servo might be here in firefox 78, 79 ? Feb 27 05:23:02 Ask your RxJava questions, happy to answer to the best of my meager abilities Feb 27 05:23:12 groxx: Is that related to their rewriting of Firefox in Rust? Feb 27 05:23:16 groxx: yes its a pipe dream Feb 27 05:23:35 g00s: probably. would be interesting to see it on mobile devices though, since their single-threaded performance tends to suck Feb 27 05:23:49 i dont wanna create a custom rom to have a different look and feel of cardboard ui Feb 27 05:24:06 TacticalJoke: a parallel rendering engine more than rewriting firefox. the goal isn't to _replace_ the existing rendering, it's to see if a parallel engine is even feasible. Feb 27 05:24:09 JakeWharton: Still from yesterday, I'm still trying to create a mechanism which that I can register observers. When API calls are done, the observers receive the success/failure of the call. The subscriptions should never end. One request per API can be done at a time. Feb 27 05:24:09 maybe firefox 70 if yahoo helps more Feb 27 05:24:19 Ah, okay. Interesting. Feb 27 05:24:20 JakeWharton: What ive done thus far https://gist.github.com/kevelbreh/1cff6d4057f360affcee Feb 27 05:24:38 kevel: Use Subjects instead of Observers, they are basically RxJava's version of an event bus Feb 27 05:24:46 Problem #1, the publisher completes/errors and no longer emits data Feb 27 05:24:55 CedricBeust, i am Feb 27 05:25:01 except problem #1 Feb 27 05:25:05 is wrecking me right now Feb 27 05:25:43 kevel you dont need Feb 27 05:25:44 .observeOn(AndroidSchedulers.mainThread()) Feb 27 05:25:45 .subscribeOn(AndroidSchedulers.mainThread()) Feb 27 05:25:50 in times where you would set layout_width or layout_height to 0dp, for example when layout_weight is set in a LinearLayout, or both layout_above and layout_below are set in a RelativeLayout, wouldn't it be more logical to allow the attribute to not exist? but layout_width and layout_height are always required Feb 27 05:26:00 ye i know, i was derping around (learning rxJava) Feb 27 05:26:05 its like day #3 Feb 27 05:26:46 hm, EndlessObserver - looks kinda weird Feb 27 05:26:58 duncannz: I would kinda think that, but alas 'tis not reality Feb 27 05:26:58 duncannz: Yeah. Feb 27 05:27:20 ok at least I'm not missing something :) Feb 27 05:27:27 g00s, was trying different things out which didn't really work as intended Feb 27 05:27:29 In the universe in which that is the case, I also own a Ferrari. Feb 27 05:27:35 g00s, any ideas? Feb 27 05:27:47 Okay, a few Ferraris. I try not to boast about it. Feb 27 05:27:50 TacticalJoke: in the same universe, I think I'm on a Big Wheel. Feb 27 05:28:27 A tricycle? Feb 27 05:29:24 <_genuser_> I need to store bytes in a dynamic list. So trying to use ArrayList, however that doesn't allow primities. any suggestions? Feb 27 05:29:36 _genuser_ look at okio Feb 27 05:30:10 TacticalJoke: no mere trike. one with a honkin-big front wheel. Feb 27 05:30:25 http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/big_wheel_drift_trike-4.jpg Feb 27 05:30:26 obv I'd be the coolest kid on the block Feb 27 05:30:26 <_genuser_> also is using ArrayList any better than just dynamically creating a new one yourself and copy over the data? Feb 27 05:30:57 _genuser_: BTW, you know about Byte, right? Feb 27 05:31:02 Just wondering. Feb 27 05:31:16 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: nope, didn't. So Byte is objectified byte, eh? Feb 27 05:31:40 Yeah, basically: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/Byte.html Feb 27 05:32:07 This summary is actually nicer: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Byte.html Feb 27 05:32:10 that seems slightly awful Feb 27 05:32:26 <_genuser_> g00s: is that lawn mower powered trike? Feb 27 05:32:37 something like that :) Feb 27 05:32:49 I don't know whether that is a good idea, yeah. It seems like it could be hugely wasteful. Feb 27 05:32:58 hugely Feb 27 05:33:05 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: what would? Byte? Or the trike thing? Feb 27 05:33:08 TacticalJoke: too late, it all went down the pooper with ArrayList Feb 27 05:33:12 Having a large list of Bytes. Feb 27 05:33:31 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: yeah, that's what I was going ot say next, what's the penalty in using this. Feb 27 05:33:42 Byte in the ass Feb 27 05:33:54 <_genuser_> basically, I have a List. In the end, I need to combime the entire thing into a single byte[]. Feb 27 05:33:59 <_genuser_> array concat basically. Feb 27 05:34:18 <_genuser_> so I thought why don't I just do List..... and that's where my thought is right now. Feb 27 05:34:33 _genuser_ did you look at okio? seems to do that Feb 27 05:34:48 <_genuser_> g00s: reading the github main page right now. Feb 27 05:34:53 or NIO ByteBuffer Feb 27 05:34:58 Buffer and ByteString are your friend Feb 27 05:35:10 _genuser_: I'm guessing it'll be several bytes of overhead for each instance. Feb 27 05:35:14 <_genuser_> g00s: I'm still curious if it copies all the crap around in teh backgroudn everytime it resizes the array. 'coz that would end up wasting all the space anyway. Feb 27 05:35:26 Which is kinda unexpected when the class is called "Byte". Feb 27 05:35:28 Buffer is very efficient in Okio Feb 27 05:35:29 JakeWharton, could you please help me out? Feb 27 05:35:51 With what? Feb 27 05:36:06 Mobile, drinking. Feb 27 05:36:35 JakeWharton: https://gist.github.com/kevelbreh/1cff6d4057f360affcee Feb 27 05:36:43 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: so Buffer in okio: is this going to essentially help me creating an dyanmically array of bytes in an efficient manner. instead of me implementing all the dynamic array crap in the code? Feb 27 05:36:45 subscriptions close on error/completion. I donnt want this. Feb 27 05:36:59 subscriptions should _never_ close Feb 27 05:37:11 <_genuser_> *gasp* drinking! I didn't think JakeWharton left this computer desk. Feb 27 05:37:14 According to something I'm reading, an empty Object on Dalvik takes 16 bytes. Is that right? Feb 27 05:37:17 That's pretty big. Feb 27 05:37:19 so either i have fault on the publisher, or my observers Feb 27 05:37:25 TacticalJoke: se Feb 27 05:37:30 Same o. Hotspot Feb 27 05:38:01 Where do you think things like length is stored? Feb 27 05:38:34 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: so according to docs, Buffer is Feb 27 05:38:41 <_genuser_> just a FIFO queue? Feb 27 05:39:18 <_genuser_> is says there's no obligation to manager positions, limits. However, can I access specific positions, such as bytes 18-200 ? Feb 27 05:39:19 For bytes Feb 27 05:39:27 Sure Feb 27 05:39:53 <_genuser_> ok, so then I suppose my codebase will be 30% square code, and lipstick on top that I wrote. :D Feb 27 05:40:11 he's calling square a pig! Feb 27 05:40:16 kevel i'd read this carefully http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27147179/rxjava-why-same-transformations-are-recomputed-for-each-observables-branch Feb 27 05:40:21 <_genuser_> who knows by the end of this project it might be 50% Feb 27 05:40:28 shmooz: pigs make bacon Feb 27 05:40:43 <_genuser_> eh, not a pig. just that the "wrapping" is mine. the work is done by square (or JakeWharton as we all know it). Feb 27 05:41:16 <_genuser_> mmmm bacon Feb 27 05:42:17 JakeWharton: you might as well write your own mobile OS Feb 27 05:42:27 JWOS Feb 27 05:42:37 He could fork Android and fix all the issues. Then we could all stop complaining. Feb 27 05:42:45 Though we'd have to complain about low adoption rates and stuff. Feb 27 05:42:47 <_genuser_> he's the coreutils to google's kernel Feb 27 05:43:13 i dont think even JakeWharton can fix android, sorry :) Feb 27 05:43:16 Then again, I guess we'd get adopters fairly quickly. Feb 27 05:43:41 <_genuser_> well, google would buy him out. will 1billion dollars. then they'd hand it over to lazy programmers. Feb 27 05:43:44 g00s, thanks. I'll give it a read now. Feb 27 05:43:55 <_genuser_> who would google how to do something on stackoverflow and put it in the new os. it would go to crap again. Feb 27 05:44:55 i wonder if this new ads in Play Store is because Google is having hard time monitizing android Feb 27 05:45:07 I really dislike the sound of this whole thing. Feb 27 05:45:17 google forgot to buy loop pay Feb 27 05:45:24 Too many apps are ruined by ads already; it's just gonna encourage it. Feb 27 05:45:30 and apple is dominating in the payments now Feb 27 05:45:48 Nobody cares about loop pay Feb 27 05:46:32 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: based on most of your stuff, I think memory management is main main forte. sounds like your writing mem mgmt code. Feb 27 05:47:05 Okio is very focused on that Feb 27 05:47:15 Reusing buffers Feb 27 05:47:27 Liked list propertied Feb 27 05:48:04 <_genuser_> nice. Feb 27 05:48:44 a hard time monetizing android? lel Feb 27 05:49:05 <_genuser_> laughing extremely loud? Feb 27 05:49:08 well they are getting licensing fees for Play Feb 27 05:49:42 wasn't it that MS makes more money from android than google :) Feb 27 05:50:01 yes because of linux licences they own Feb 27 05:50:30 pfn, is this is correct, android oems ahave to be hurting http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/WSS/post/2015/02/26/Android-Captures-Tiny-11-Share-of-Global-Smartphone-Profit-in-Q4-2014.aspx Feb 27 05:50:48 and if oems are hurting , then less $$$ for licensing, they go elsewhere, etc Feb 27 05:51:37 You know we live in a strange world when Microsoft makes money from a Google product thanks to Linux Feb 27 05:53:00 the challenge google is facing is that revenue from organic search web ads are declining, for a while Feb 27 05:53:08 people are going straight to apps Feb 27 05:53:18 they also can't monotize youtube either Feb 27 05:53:45 yeah they made just enough to keep the servers running Feb 27 05:55:29 "posted revenue of about $4 billion in 2014" , "didn’t contribute to earnings. After paying for content, and the equipment to deliver speedy videos, YouTube’s bottom line is “roughly break-even,” Feb 27 05:56:17 It's a bitch of a market to be in Feb 27 05:56:43 competition is good for evolution, screw making money Feb 27 05:57:10 now they have to lose money to win Feb 27 05:57:21 to win users Feb 27 05:57:34 Google has been doing that for more than a decade Feb 27 05:57:39 They're good at it Feb 27 05:57:56 And their moonshot projects makes them infinitely more likely to multiply their earnings than Apple IMO Feb 27 05:58:30 yeah ... apple ... whats after the watch :| oh cars in 10 years Feb 27 05:58:50 apple knows how to profit Feb 27 05:58:58 Apple is going to become even more filthy rich than they are today by selling boring phones and tables for the next decade Feb 27 05:59:02 they don't care about being the biggest Feb 27 05:59:17 Oh they care a lot about being the biggest, they just realized they won't be Feb 27 05:59:44 they got the upper class yuppie crowd Feb 27 05:59:45 And I'm kinda proud to have been a part of what stopped them :) Feb 27 06:00:13 interesting that apple captures such a huge profit share but such a tiny market share Feb 27 06:00:18 their tablet sales are declining i think Feb 27 06:00:19 for market share the figures are about opposite Feb 27 06:01:36 for areas requiring real innovation, their highly integrated approach works well Feb 27 06:01:37 <_genuser_> errr, interesting http://www.okio.se/ Feb 27 06:05:47 The first image I saw looked like something pornographic. Feb 27 06:06:11 I think it's a hand. Feb 27 06:06:37 but it could also be ... Feb 27 06:06:37 that's a horse Feb 27 06:07:02 <_genuser_> yeah, I was like wth is that? Feb 27 06:07:18 Okay, yeah, a horse. Feb 27 06:07:26 Cannot unsee now. Feb 27 06:07:34 use the horse luke! Feb 27 06:07:40 <_genuser_> ugh, I gotta build my own okio? isn't there a built jar. Feb 27 06:07:46 * _genuser_ throw a tantrum Feb 27 06:07:59 _genuser_ its not in maven central ? Feb 27 06:08:03 There is a jar. Feb 27 06:08:06 https://github.com/square/okio Feb 27 06:08:26 <_genuser_> g00s: maven, I avoid it like the plague. I do things 1995 style. download and link the lib. Feb 27 06:08:35 .. Feb 27 06:08:43 so pull the jar from maven Feb 27 06:08:52 There is a link to the jar on that page. Feb 27 06:09:04 Jarjarjarkar Feb 27 06:09:08 "Jar" is such a weird word. Makes me feel like a reggae person saying it. Feb 27 06:09:10 <_genuser_> groxx: I don't know what maven is or how it works, honestly. my best understanding it it's somekinda of repo. Feb 27 06:09:15 http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|com.squareup.okio|okio|1.2.0|jar Feb 27 06:09:25 craziest-ass URL I've seen in a while D: Feb 27 06:09:29 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: thanks, I just saw it. :) Feb 27 06:09:54 TacticalJoke: I assume you've seen https://code.google.com/p/jarjar/ ? Feb 27 06:10:06 when one jar just isn't binksy enough Feb 27 06:10:37 <_genuser_> so I should read up on maven, I see. I didnt' think it had so many fans. Feb 27 06:10:42 Ah, hadn't seen that. Feb 27 06:10:49 _genuser_: You should use Gradle. Feb 27 06:11:06 yeah, gradle > maven, easily Feb 27 06:11:10 _genuser_: JakeWharton obviously <3s maven to the max: https://github.com/square/picasso/commit/6d74a4ecc55757c8de0046c0a5566a04fa8653ee Feb 27 06:11:18 but the maven central repo is king :) Feb 27 06:11:23 _genuser_, use gradle, be done Feb 27 06:11:42 <_genuser_> haven't moved to AS yet. my current project is in eclipse. Feb 27 06:11:56 <_genuser_> but I do have a functioning AS installation. Feb 27 06:12:14 i gotta say, on old/slow hardware eclipse works a lot better than AS Feb 27 06:12:14 dang, what's it like in the dark ages? Feb 27 06:12:19 where are the images for buttons, edit texts, ect stored? Feb 27 06:12:36 my laptop can't deploy anything with gradle in less than 20 seconds Feb 27 06:12:43 <_genuser_> groxx: it's fast in the dark ages. I can run more than just eclipse on a measely 8GB of ram. :p Feb 27 06:12:46 myke yeah, i remember all those complaints of eclipse being bloated ... Feb 27 06:13:05 Eclipse Luna is pretty fast. Feb 27 06:13:20 _genuser_: sounds nice. in the future you need 512gb to run dosbox Feb 27 06:13:21 In general. Build times are just nothing. Feb 27 06:13:26 Though that's without Gradle. Feb 27 06:13:27 the continuous compilation and dex merging are a big deal on slow dev systems Feb 27 06:13:44 <_genuser_> groxx: honestly, my projects was working, it was setup in eclipse, so I didn't bother. for new projects I setup AS. Feb 27 06:14:09 <_genuser_> I'll probably move my current project to AS one day, get used to the 100 new project layouts (none of which match eclipse's layout) and be done. Feb 27 06:14:17 <_genuser_> with the whole eclipse vs. AS thing. Feb 27 06:14:28 _genuser_: yeah, a solid plan :) AS was a definite improvement for work, as a) it got us away from those crazy eclipse profile files, and b) manifest merging -> product flavors is SO MUCH BETTER Feb 27 06:14:40 I moved my Eclipse project to Android Studio manually, and it was so easy. Feb 27 06:14:45 The manual work only took about 10 minutes. Feb 27 06:14:57 (I mean that I created a new Android Studio project and copied everything over.) Feb 27 06:14:58 a few hours here ;_; Feb 27 06:15:14 100 new project layouts? Feb 27 06:15:14 plus more to verify everything worked Feb 27 06:15:20 there's just one layout.. Feb 27 06:15:22 Yeah, I spent hours verifying. :D Feb 27 06:15:22 <_genuser_> I ran AS and I think the only hangup was the project layout. I just couldn't get used to it. just like I couldn't get to the eclipse one at first. Feb 27 06:15:35 What layout? Feb 27 06:15:41 I think AS's is way simpler than Eclipse's. Feb 27 06:15:43 <_genuser_> so once I use it enough, it will be fine. Feb 27 06:15:51 Eclipse's workspace concept is nauseating. Feb 27 06:16:19 <_genuser_> yeah, it's all in the mind. how your minds parse the visual information. You have selective blindness to things you don't need. just like "ad blindness" Feb 27 06:16:20 TacticalJoke its nice when you go back and forth between a bunch of projects ... Feb 27 06:16:21 yeah, I never could get used to the eclipse model Feb 27 06:16:26 yeah having the workspace reference files outside the workspace directory isn't the most obvious thing Feb 27 06:16:37 Eclipse is like "Here's everything you've ever worked on. You're welcome". Feb 27 06:16:41 working on multiple projects in intellij is way worse :| Feb 27 06:16:44 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: lol Feb 27 06:16:54 i usually just use one workspace per project Feb 27 06:17:20 <_genuser_> the most annoying thing is c:\users\\ folder. it doesn't just have your data, every idiotic vendor puts their crap in there too. Feb 27 06:17:20 being able to shuttle your entire eclipse layout around with a project is nice, too bad it's not also cross platform Feb 27 06:17:28 <_genuser_> my entire project planning goes to crap beginning with the users folder. Feb 27 06:18:28 what is the nfc tag for in google cardboard Feb 27 06:18:34 One thing I loved about Visual Studio was its simplicity. Feb 27 06:18:42 Almost everything is obvious. Feb 27 06:19:10 It was about as difficult to use as Notepad for basic, everyday stuff. Feb 27 06:20:07 TacticalJoke: I think you meant, Eclipse is like "Here's everything you've ever worked on. You're welcome. What? No, you can't name two things the same, in different folders. Why would you even?" Feb 27 06:20:07 Refactoring support was terrible without Resharper, though. (I don't know whether that applies nowadays; I guess so.) Feb 27 06:20:16 pfn: they all suck Feb 27 06:20:19 lol groxx Feb 27 06:20:45 Use gradle is like saying trade the sword for the stake Feb 27 06:20:57 <_genuser_> alright, okio linked in and now to write the code and hammer it to see if it stands up to the challenge. Feb 27 06:21:06 That restriction drove me mad. I used to have a Mercurial workflow in which I'd occasionally clone repositories for a particular reason, and Eclipse forced me to stop doing that. Feb 27 06:21:20 oh oh , is JakeWharton coming up with a new build system ? Feb 27 06:21:21 I hate that part of eclipse with a passion. horrible to deal with duplicate projects for e.g. holding two branches open at once. Feb 27 06:21:21 <_genuser_> Virusal Studio ++ for sure. Feb 27 06:21:54 g00s: no Feb 27 06:21:57 does android studio support ndk? Feb 27 06:22:21 goes google support ndk :P Feb 27 06:22:22 Let's create one called cradle. Feb 27 06:22:38 <_genuser_> g00s: you've planted the seed. now just sit back and wait for .... javen. Feb 27 06:22:44 "Did you say gradle?"... "no, I said cradle". "Yeah, gradle" "no, *c*radle" Feb 27 06:23:09 "Gradle" is such a strange word. Feb 27 06:23:20 I call dibs on "marglar" Feb 27 06:23:24 gravy ladle! Feb 27 06:23:28 lol Feb 27 06:23:31 <_genuser_> no mroe than ladle Feb 27 06:23:35 "The name came from Hans Docter (Gradle founder) who thought it sounded cool." Feb 27 06:23:43 "Hans Docter" also sounds weird. Feb 27 06:23:53 sounds like he works with dr evil Feb 27 06:23:59 "The name comes from Steve Smith, who thought 'Hans Docter' sounded awesome." Feb 27 06:24:04 <_genuser_> eh, I need a break from coding. brb Feb 27 06:24:04 He's who you see when your Hans are inflammed. Feb 27 06:24:09 :D Feb 27 06:24:23 I imagined that scientist from Human Centipede. Feb 27 06:24:44 "Hallo, my name iz Hans Docter and I'll be conducting your surgery today." Feb 27 06:25:12 Hanz, can i haz cheeseburger first? Feb 27 06:25:27 JakeWharton, I don't get your point? Feb 27 06:25:47 at least gradle finally solves my complaint with all project setup systems: clean separation of local and shared configuration (because you can create it however makes sense) Feb 27 06:26:10 yeah, gradle is one of the.. least worst build systems I've used. Feb 27 06:26:15 i know, jake is going to write kradle in kotlin Feb 27 06:26:21 lol Feb 27 06:27:32 hey android studio sets up my project with a gradlew script in the directory Feb 27 06:27:36 if i run it it looks like it installs gradle Feb 27 06:27:42 can I install a sytemwide gradle so I don't need to use that one? Feb 27 06:27:56 You don't need that one if you're using Android Studio. Feb 27 06:28:11 That's just a stand-alone thing for basically anyone, I think. Feb 27 06:28:18 oh okay Feb 27 06:28:21 It avoids people having to use a particular IDE. Feb 27 06:28:26 I'm trying to set up some kind of automated building Feb 27 06:28:33 oh that's awesome Feb 27 06:28:40 I had a feeling Feb 27 06:28:44 pfn: switching is a stupid answer. Feb 27 06:29:02 does anyone have any references I can check about setting up automated builds? Feb 27 06:29:19 Different problems, but same problems. Feb 27 06:29:21 grekkos: This is the documentation for gradlew: https://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/gradle_wrapper.html Feb 27 06:29:34 Not sure about your automated-builds question. Feb 27 06:29:45 ok thanks i'll do some exploring on my own Feb 27 06:30:02 AndroidStudio comes bundled with a system-wide gradle, doesn't it? I should be able to just add it to my path and go Feb 27 06:30:04 I'm no Gradle expert; someone else might know. :) Feb 27 06:30:16 JakeWharton, not particularly when the alternative is building via ide Feb 27 06:30:24 TacticalJoke: no problem I appreciate the contribution Feb 27 06:30:37 I think Android Studio uses its own Gradle installation by default. Feb 27 06:31:09 oh it comes in the app bundle Feb 27 06:31:13 If you open Settings > Gradle you'll see the details. Feb 27 06:31:19 it uses gradle wrapper Feb 27 06:31:33 which downloads gradle from the internet if it's not installed Feb 27 06:31:36 gordon_: Mine doesn't (with default settings). Feb 27 06:31:40 ah i see Feb 27 06:31:55 Mine uses C:\Program Files\Android\Android Studio\gradle\gradle-2.2.1. Feb 27 06:32:05 i just grabbed it from homebrew Feb 27 06:32:15 grekkos: yeah, probably closer to "it comes with a local gradle via ./gradlew" Feb 27 06:32:37 TacticalJoke: hmm, you know what.. mine two ! :) Feb 27 06:32:44 *too Feb 27 06:32:53 horribel mistype Feb 27 06:33:08 again Feb 27 06:33:09 well, it's better than a decibel mistype Feb 27 06:33:30 I think the new Studio release added a gradle in the app package? previously ./gradlew did download for me. Feb 27 06:33:38 they should implement code completion in weechat so I wont mistype things Feb 27 06:33:45 gordon_: thanks, I grabbed one from homebrew it seems to be working... have you ever done automated builds/CI? Feb 27 06:33:56 we use circle ci Feb 27 06:34:17 My tip-of-the-day thing reset. :/ Feb 27 06:34:26 "Welcome to Android Studio!" Feb 27 06:34:42 it's not bad Feb 27 06:34:51 "horribel" sounds vaguely Lovecraftian Feb 27 06:34:58 :D Feb 27 06:36:10 groxx: yeah there's noe one in the app bundle on osx Feb 27 06:36:52 actually we ran into a weird issue today which is why I wanted to set it up in the first place... seems like our app starts up with a blank screen after it starts the second time... fresh install or wiping app data makes it work again Feb 27 06:37:18 "as the eldritch horror approached from all 7 dimensions, the horrimeter registered 3.2 horribels, a level never before heard of by any being which yet walks this earth" Feb 27 06:37:20 and it looks like there were no code changes, only xml and iml file changes... do you guys put iml files in vcs? Feb 27 06:37:44 groxx++ Feb 27 06:38:25 grekkos: I may be crazy, but I only put gradle files in VCS. very happy with my decision. Feb 27 06:39:23 The JLS is quite easy to read. Feb 27 06:39:30 Some specs are so horrible and messy. Feb 27 06:39:51 groxx: what do you mean? Feb 27 06:40:41 I only put Gradle files in, too. Seems to work well. Feb 27 06:41:05 oh Feb 27 06:41:06 instead of iml Feb 27 06:41:11 Yeah. Feb 27 06:41:16 i removed iml files and people said the project was breaking Feb 27 06:41:17 grekkos: officially, intellij recommends two conflicting approaches. I advocate gradle-only. that way all the semi-device-specific files that intellij generates for projects don't get shared to coworkers. Feb 27 06:41:30 Removed from the repository? Feb 27 06:41:35 yeah Feb 27 06:41:50 plus it's pretty easy to add specific (or generic) hooks for local overrides Feb 27 06:41:52 maybe that wasn't the proper approach but i added them to git ignore beforehand Feb 27 06:42:17 They should be able to import from Gradle each time they need a new project copy. Feb 27 06:42:33 how do they do that? Feb 27 06:42:38 oh Feb 27 06:42:42 yup. which has worked perfectly for my job, unlike everything else I've tried Feb 27 06:42:42 like the project import option? Feb 27 06:42:47 File > Import Project. Feb 27 06:42:50 ok Feb 27 06:42:51 yeah Feb 27 06:42:52 hmm Feb 27 06:42:56 they were complaining about conflicts Feb 27 06:42:58 so I removed the files Feb 27 06:43:06 then they were all like "it's broken! it's broken! put it back" Feb 27 06:43:16 and of course I'm the only one on the team who even looks into these sort of things Feb 27 06:43:48 but that's interesting... do you add .idea/? Feb 27 06:44:13 .idea/ is in my .hgignore. :) Feb 27 06:44:16 Maybe I'm crazy though. Feb 27 06:44:31 also *.iml, but same here Feb 27 06:44:40 Yeah, *.iml too. Feb 27 06:45:03