**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 28 02:59:58 2015 Mar 28 03:01:06 poutine: i guess tone is hard to get across through text, but i was in no way conveying a final answer with my "read some docs" or "you need a service probs" Mar 28 03:03:16 desmin88, However you want to play it off is fine by me, you just don't sound that experienced to me, and those were stupid answers to be giving people on IRC seeking support Mar 28 03:03:30 this is too good Mar 28 03:04:26 do you know why you want to receive transition notifications beyond your application lifecycle Mar 28 03:05:45 what happens to a Handler.postDelayed() call whos timer runs out when the lifecycle has reached stopped? (in particular, im making a location update every 5 mins) Mar 28 03:05:54 does it run? is it lost? is it queued? Mar 28 03:06:01 it feels like its one of those three Mar 28 03:06:46 desmin88, Yes, I have a home automation system that I'd like to inform of a person entering or leaving a geofence, I need something that can work even if they've ran 100 different apps since mine Mar 28 03:07:48 and my application lifecycle has ended, I'm surprised since google is getting this info server side they can't use a push notification like google cloud messaging on geofence transitions Mar 28 03:08:03 that they can't just launch an intent on that being detected by server-side code Mar 28 03:08:31 I know a workaround is to have a persistent notification which keeps my service active all the time, I just hate that solution Mar 28 03:08:47 thats about the only workaround Mar 28 03:08:54 otherwise you cannot gaurentee your service wont get killed Mar 28 03:09:32 theres also the option of setting android:persistent="true" but that only works with system apps Mar 28 03:10:37 it's dumb, you're constantly reporting your location to google services, why can't they initiate an intent based on the specifications of the geofence you sent to their servers Mar 28 03:10:43 kline: What do you mean by "when the lifecycle has reached stopped"? Mar 28 03:11:05 its not that constant location reporting otherwise your battery would be shredded Mar 28 03:11:48 desmin88, it is too Mar 28 03:11:54 http://www.google.com/locationhistory Mar 28 03:12:00 it's not polling GPS every millisecond Mar 28 03:12:08 but it's constantly reporting on your location Mar 28 03:12:38 TacticalJoke, say i register a delayed event with a handler, and then the user goes back to the home screen to run another app. what happens if the timer expires in the time that the app is stopped? Mar 28 03:12:44 its a little more complicated than just how many entries in your location history Mar 28 03:12:49 ( http://developer.android.com/images/training/basics/basic-lifecycle-create.png ) Mar 28 03:13:04 kline that message will be scheduled on the main looper, and will run (eventually) however your activity will be gone, so if that delayed message tries to do something, likely then NPE Mar 28 03:13:22 kline so remove pending messages in onStop or something Mar 28 03:13:26 desmin88, Can you elaborate a bit? Because whether it comes from GPS, wifi, or any other number of factors, your phone is communicating what it knows about your location on a regular basis Mar 28 03:13:34 g00s, rats :> Mar 28 03:13:35 Note that if the user clicks Home as opposed to Back then the activity might still be alive. Mar 28 03:13:43 s/clicks/taps/ Mar 28 03:14:02 (By 'alive' I mean 'not destroyed'.) Mar 28 03:14:11 yes, i mean not-destroyed-just-stopped Mar 28 03:16:20 yes the phone does report location often and location history shows locations but that doesn't mean gplay services without any request on your own would be able to constantly feed you updates Mar 28 03:16:23 I don't know much about what you're doing, kline, but is this one of those "Should use a service" things? :) Mar 28 03:17:25 consider the possibility that services doesnt even poll location, it just uses the results from other apps or services who poll location and only gets that reported dependent on other apps Mar 28 03:17:43 or low internal very coarse reporting etc Mar 28 03:18:45 TacticalJoke, i think probably not, i just want to turn on location listening every 5 mins (and then turn it on after the first gps fix) Mar 28 03:18:50 desmin88, I'm failing to see where you're seeing this impossibility, google controls the software that runs on your phone, google uses push notifications for many of their services, these push notifications start google Intents, so the capability exists for google to remotely start an intent based on something. You report your location to google services on a regular basis, when you setup a geofence Mar 28 03:18:50 , you tell google services about the geofence. Why in your mind does it seem impossible to you that google, upon receiving a location update that fits within the confines of a geofence, could start an intent? Mar 28 03:21:05 course location being close to a geofence could easily trigger a fine location check without risking that much battery life Mar 28 03:21:15 geofences require crafty use of location reporting Mar 28 03:21:38 your phone doesn't report the kind of location data on its own regularly enough to use a geofence Mar 28 03:21:52 kline: Okay. I don't really know much about that, unfortunately, so I can't suggest anything. Mar 28 03:21:58 Sup TacticalJoke Mar 28 03:22:01 Hey. Mar 28 03:22:08 if it did report such data, it would be an active process on the phones part doing it, not part of the background 'normal' play services location reporting Mar 28 03:22:11 How you been? Mar 28 03:23:21 Pretty good. How's the app coming? Mar 28 03:23:31 TacticalJoke how is /your/ app coming :P :D Mar 28 03:23:35 kline, what about using the AlarmManager with a PendingIntent... you could have it trigger an IntentService that checks for location Mar 28 03:24:05 i think just disabling the callbacks will be effective enough Mar 28 03:24:10 It's taking forever, g00s. Wish I'd hurry up. :D Mar 28 03:24:11 Not bad thanks, TacticalJoke. Working on a new feat idk if I have told you about. Hows yours? Mar 28 03:24:22 location updates are useless when the app is stopped anyway Mar 28 03:24:24 Though I just did a nice big refactoring that will make maintenace easier. Mar 28 03:24:27 maintenance* Mar 28 03:24:38 desmin88, what are you basing this information off of? Mar 28 03:24:44 <desmin88> your phone doesn't report the kind of location data on its own regularly enough to use a geofence Mar 28 03:25:08 drose379: I'm enjoying using this reddit app. I don't use anything else now. :D Mar 28 03:25:16 I'm glad about that, because it's possible to work on something and end up hating it. Mar 28 03:25:22 do you really think your phone is just constantly spouting off fine_locations regularly enough to google for google to monitor geofences for you? Mar 28 03:26:00 Its useable now?! Mar 28 03:26:22 geo fences don't always check fine locations, it will use a mixture of coarse to check for general proximity and once you go near it will use fine location for actual inside/outside etc of the geofence Mar 28 03:26:24 Yeah. I will send it to you ASAP; I promise. :D Mar 28 03:26:28 I just wanna make a few changes before sending it out. Mar 28 03:26:33 Yeah, get that over to me! Mar 28 03:26:45 Sound good, been looking forward to that Mar 28 03:26:55 google play services doesn't receive from regular device location reporting what a geofence would require Mar 28 03:26:57 desmin88, do you not understand that you can algorithmically determine using several data points whether a person is moving towards coordinates and ramp up location checks in a smart manner, and use fine location checks when course tells it enough that you're near it? Mar 28 03:27:19 poutine: congratulations, you just described a geofence Mar 28 03:27:24 not normal location reporting Mar 28 03:27:28 there is a difference Mar 28 03:27:39 you're an idiot desmin88 Mar 28 03:27:50 jet fuel cant melt dank memes my friend Mar 28 03:28:21 what would the fucking difference be Mar 28 03:28:25 running a geofence using your device Mar 28 03:28:29 or offloading it google play services Mar 28 03:28:49 desmin88, my application would not have to be running when I enter/exit the geofence if it's done remotely, which it is Mar 28 03:28:52 which would still do the exact same fucking thing by asking your device for location way more constantly than just what it normally does Mar 28 03:29:07 it would not have to do the mathematical work that can't be easily done constantly on a phone Mar 28 03:29:14 math Mar 28 03:29:49 so you want to offload mathematical operations for geofences to google Mar 28 03:29:53 thats the big deal here? Mar 28 03:30:20 Google does 99% of what I've described already, only the maintainer of the listener for the google play services has a limited lifecycle, when google could easily just launch an definable intent themselves Mar 28 03:32:21 g00s: I'm srsly getting into Kotlin. This language is amazing. Mar 28 03:32:37 you realize that if you want constant geofence'ing you will murder battery life Mar 28 03:32:38 I just found out yesterday that we can have immutable properties that are initialized after the constructor. Mar 28 03:32:42 TacticalJoke oh yeah ? nice ... awaiting TacticalBlog on kotlin Mar 28 03:32:44 (Via Delegates.notNull().) Mar 28 03:32:51 desmin88, no you wouldn't, google now and other things do it already Mar 28 03:33:06 whats a specific example in google now Mar 28 03:33:35 desmin88, determining time to work, time to home, reminder service Mar 28 03:33:47 It probably would be a good idea for someone to do a Kotlin blog. I don't have the time, motivation, or knowledge, though, personally. :D Mar 28 03:34:10 thats not a geofence Mar 28 03:34:40 When I tell my watch, "Remind me when I get home to wash my balls", it is setting up a geofence at a location around my home, and firing off a notification during the NOTIFICATION_ENTER geofence event Mar 28 03:35:14 Although Kotlin looks really simple. I think any good Java programmer could master it quickly. Mar 28 03:35:18 TacticalJoke nah, the docs are fine actually. although easy wins on android with kotlin would be nice i guess. at least the kotlin docs are better than gradle ones :D Mar 28 03:35:29 Yeah, that's true. Mar 28 03:36:38 Android-specific Kotlin stuff would be great to see (for example, using Delegates.notNull() for properties that aren't initialized until Activity.onCreate). Mar 28 03:37:52 so far i've been under the assumption, that while java is verbose, ultimately android's apis are moreso - and contribute more to the boilerplate so i've been skeptical of improving things by changing the language. a content provider is going to be just as uggly in kotlin probably Mar 28 03:38:06 but like all assumptions, they must be tested ;) Mar 28 03:38:30 Yeah, I've had that suspicion too. I've not yet used Kotlin seriously, so I have no idea of how big a factor that will be for Android programmers. Mar 28 03:38:34 so i should try it , but still don't have any area of code that needs a makeover - i'd need to write a new app or just start rewriting existing pieces in kotlin Mar 28 03:39:25 I suspect that first-class functions alone (never mind all the other great things) will make writing code way nicer, though. Mar 28 03:39:28 i guess my rx stull would instantly look nicer with lambdas, and i have a lot of that Mar 28 03:39:33 Yeah. lol Mar 28 03:42:07 Also Koan looks much better than XML layouts. Mar 28 03:42:20 Code-wise and performance-wise. Mar 28 03:43:03 I'm guessing people could create a really nice DSL for unit testing in Kotlin. Mar 28 03:55:45 lasserix: Did you know that Glide supports showing animated GIFs? Mar 28 03:55:59 Though it doesn't support publishing download progress when using HTTP. :[ Mar 28 03:56:27 I've actually kinda rolled my own already, but I don't show animated GIFs yet. Not sure whether to switch to Glide. Mar 28 03:57:01 Or I could just figure out how they're displaying animated GIFs, hope that it's simple, and write something. Mar 28 03:57:04 what about fresco Mar 28 03:57:54 Yeah, I was thinking of it, but I'm not sure. Hmm. Mar 28 03:58:06 its got quite a large library size but looks neat Mar 28 03:59:38 yea i saw Mar 28 04:00:14 For my app, image-download progress is pretty important. Right now, I just look at the Content-Length header and compare this with the number of bytes downloaded so far. Mar 28 04:00:27 The Glide people have said they're not considering this feature high-priority Mar 28 04:03:03 g00s: Lambdas certain help with readability but if 1) retrolambda 2) java 8 3) kotlin are not an option for you, reading through the anonymous class boiler plate becomes pretty natural Mar 28 04:03:09 especially with a folding IDE like AS Mar 28 04:03:37 You read ".subscribe(" and you think "ok, here comes the noise" Mar 28 04:04:14 That makes me think -- would Kotlin's inline functions be a big win for performance when using RxJava? Mar 28 04:04:44 I have no idea about kotlin / performance / RxJava, not really a concern to me, even on Android Mar 28 04:04:46 Glide is great, but i've had some recent issues/artifacts with jpeg decoding that i don't seem to get with Picasso. i should explore further! :) Mar 28 04:05:01 there are other performance factors on android that I bet dwarf Rx' easy hand with temp objects Mar 28 04:05:07 Yah. Mar 28 04:06:07 With respect to Rx and Android, I'm more worried about holding strong references to heavy objects because I'm not being anal about unsubscribing than about Rx generating temp objects Mar 28 04:06:43 But well, we're a couple of months away from shipping so I'll cross that bridge later :) Mar 28 04:18:11 is it enough to put my api's ca cert into a keystore? the examples i've seen add the server public cert directly as well, which doesn't make sense, since i might want to change it. Mar 28 04:21:22 CedricBeust yeah, i having to worry about unsubscribing and not leaking is kinda stressful Mar 28 04:21:47 use onAttachedToWindow and onDetachedFromWindow Mar 28 04:22:10 g00s: It's a clear drawback. I think the benefits still outweigh it but it sounds like it's something we might be able to get rid of a months down the line, once the state of the art has advanced further Mar 28 04:22:39 or if they are wider put them in a local bound service on use ondestroy Mar 28 04:24:23 correct me if i am wrong - from what i remember, even if i unsubscribe the observable has a hard reference to the subscriber. and that thing can still get notifications if the observer isn't paying attention to isUnsubscribed() Mar 28 04:24:28 CedricBeust ^^^ Mar 28 04:25:06 But you can null the reference in unsubscribe() Mar 28 04:25:16 One of these rare cases where nulling things helps Mar 28 04:26:07 At least, this kind of thing is easy to detect in Android with a good heap dump Mar 28 04:44:17 having done tests, unsubscription should be enough Mar 28 04:44:58 or at least it was in all the cases we tested Mar 28 04:54:04 <_genuser_> hey ppl. Mar 28 04:54:22 CedricBeust JakeWharton .. the other challenge i am having is, that i know i need to unSubscribe to not leak things - but i need the operation to complete and unSubscribing would signal "stop what you are doing" Mar 28 04:54:52 if the operation needs to complete then it should be decoupled from something tied to lifecycle Mar 28 04:55:04 and your lifecycle bound subscription should be observing the result, not the operation itself Mar 28 04:56:57 hm, i wonder how i would do that - cold observable, decoupled, completes + separate hot observable, lifecycle listeners subscribe to ? Mar 28 04:56:57 Agreed, if your operation needs to complete otherwise chaos, you need something that goes beyond the Android lifecycle. But I can't think of any good reason to ever need this. Mar 28 04:58:25 here is my concrete situation: I have a bluetooth device which has 'a register' for configuration. when the user changes stuff in the UI, it gets written via bluetooth to the device. it should go OK ... but if the operation to change the setting does onError() ... i want to show a snack saying there was a problem Mar 28 04:58:41 so that snack in onError obviously needs Activity, context, etc Mar 28 04:59:33 sounds like you need two apps Mar 28 04:59:59 one which runs in the background mostly Mar 28 05:01:01 i guess i could have some BehaviorSubject that has result of last operation, and the activity just subscribes to that and shows snack / errors Mar 28 05:01:06 like an eventbus Mar 28 05:01:44 i think this is what JakeWharton is recommending Mar 28 05:04:34 Subjects are how you emulate event buses, yes Mar 28 05:05:55 so maybe this is what the rxandroid guys have done. ideally, its almost like i want an operator between the subscriber and the rest of the chain which lets go of the subscriber on orientation changes but doesn't report unsubscribe up the chain to terminate Mar 28 05:06:46 well i guess cache() does that trick with unsubscription kinda Mar 28 05:07:41 damn the lolcycle gunks everything up :D Mar 28 05:44:28 i am was trying to use external .jar file as lib so i created a lib folder and put that .jar inside that and changed my build.gradle like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10693356/ but i am getting BUILD FAILURE like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10693355/ THANKS ! for reading this Mar 28 05:48:53 Why are you using "apply plugin:'java'"? That doesn't look right. Mar 28 05:49:15 Also, the dependency shouldn't be declared inside the buildscript { }. Mar 28 05:49:46 TacticalJoke: what should should i do ? can you edit my build.gradle ? or tell me so that i can edit it on my own :) Mar 28 05:51:30 I'm a Gradle noob, but I'd suggest removing "apply plugin:'java'" and placing the "compile files" thing in /app/build.gradle (rather than in /build.gradle). Mar 28 05:51:49 It'd probably be easier to just use Android Studio's way of setting up the build.gradle files. Mar 28 05:52:04 TacticalJoke: i'm not using android studio ! Mar 28 05:52:35 TacticalJoke: i not using IDE Mar 28 05:52:39 Okay, but I think the same applies. Mar 28 05:52:50 boodllebat: Why aren't you using an IDE, anyway? You'd avoid wasting time on stuff like this if you were. :) Mar 28 05:54:12 TacticalJoke: oh i have many reasons for not using IDE my primary memory is low so UI interface becoms laggy ( main reason ) also i feel good when i'm working in vim or any terminal based editor ! Mar 28 05:55:14 Have you tried Android Studio recently? It got a lot less laggy a few months back. Mar 28 05:55:21 Perhaps six months (I can't remember0. Mar 28 05:55:24 s/0/)/ Mar 28 05:56:42 TacticalJoke: yes i tried but still it lags cause my system is old with 4GB of pri memory Mar 28 05:56:57 I have 4GB too. It's slow to start, but it's pretty fast thereafter. Mar 28 06:00:23 TacticalJoke: hmm mine system sucks i guess then ! Mar 28 06:00:43 TacticalJoke: earlier i was using ant but it had lesser support so i switched to gradle Mar 28 06:01:07 boodllebat: This is how my build.gradles look: http://pastebin.com/t9q1kuSN Mar 28 06:02:16 TacticalJoke: that looks cool i guess i'll make some changes to mine using your build configs let me try Mar 28 06:03:20 If I knew more about Gradle I'd be able to diagnose the problem easily, but all I can suggest is to remove "apply plugin:'java'" and move the dependency outside of the 'buildscript' closure. Mar 28 06:03:52 almost sounds like your retro boodllebat, I don't use an IDE for linux dev personally, but I do for everything else. Mar 28 06:04:46 I resisted IDE's for a long time, until I had to use VS for work. Mar 28 06:05:23 For Android development, not using an IDE seems like a really bad idea to me. So much time, energy, and happiness will be wasted. Mar 28 06:05:35 Or the potential for happiness will be lost. Mar 28 06:05:54 Carbonflux: hmm yeah i know but i'm helpless i would have gone for a better system if i was having some bucks (i'm student) or i would have formatted my present system but i already have lots of configs for other things there Mar 28 06:06:11 ya, I have to admit I agree with that, the IDE makes things A LOT easier and I don't even feel guilty about it. Mar 28 06:06:34 boodllebat, so you don't have enough ram/cpu? Mar 28 06:07:00 Carbonflux: i have 4GB of primary memory there Mar 28 06:07:20 Carbonflux: and a 2.13 Ghz i3 cpu Mar 28 06:07:39 I have run AS in 4gig, on a dual core AMD64 Mar 28 06:07:40 That doesn't sound terribly bad, boodllebat. Mar 28 06:07:54 boodllebat: Have you given Android Studio a *real* try? Like, for five hours? Mar 28 06:07:55 and eclipse as well. Mar 28 06:08:09 There is a vim plugin for AS. Mar 28 06:08:20 (I haven't tried it, though, personally.) Mar 28 06:08:23 TacticalJoke: i have tried Android Studio for 1hrs or 2 Mar 28 06:08:48 AS with 4G is very painful, i admit daily to having fantasies of just using ST or vim Mar 28 06:08:54 right now I use a 8gig quad AMD 64 and AS does not really even use 1/2 the resources. Mar 28 06:09:26 Right now I have about 100 Google Chrome tabs open, I'm listening to a YouTube video, and I have Android Studio open. All on 4GB of RAM. My system feels responsive. Mar 28 06:09:44 g00s: what is AS ST vim Mar 28 06:09:49 in linux TacticalJoke? Mar 28 06:09:52 SublimeText Mar 28 06:09:54 Windows 7. Mar 28 06:09:59 ah Mar 28 06:10:02 TacticalJoke i can't open more then 15 tabs wat Mar 28 06:10:05 ;o Mar 28 06:10:05 in chrome Mar 28 06:10:14 oh, you are using OneTab so Mar 28 06:10:16 TacticalJoke: windows handle somethings better ! Mar 28 06:10:21 Oh, I gave up with OneTab. Mar 28 06:10:31 Because it was enabling my tab-hoarding. Mar 28 06:11:24 I'm using uBlock now. Seems better than Adblock Plus. Mar 28 06:11:53 boodllebat: Can you dual-boot with Windows or something? :D Mar 28 06:12:09 TacticalJoke: yeah i have win 7 Mar 28 06:13:28 i wish these ByteBuffer apis would just let me specify the size of my integer in bytes (i have weird 24 bit unsigned ints from this hardware) Mar 28 06:14:03 sounds like an RGB value. Mar 28 06:14:05 netty ByteBuf has getMediumInt ... lol Mar 28 06:14:17 ok so i'm covered there in that one case Mar 28 06:14:38 Carbonflux its just the way this oem packed fields in this 20 byte block Mar 28 06:14:53 1 byte for you, a byte for you, 3 bytes for you , haha Mar 28 06:15:01 heh Mar 28 06:15:11 Sounds like an Oprah give-away. Mar 28 06:15:17 :) Mar 28 06:15:21 so everything is packed Mar 28 06:15:24 yeah Mar 28 06:24:33 why is impossible to see the current time in the netflix online player Mar 28 06:25:06 The one on the Netflix website? Mar 28 06:25:13 YES Mar 28 06:25:15 yes* Mar 28 06:25:36 I'm enrolled in a film studies course and it makes it painful to get accurate timestamps for scenes Mar 28 06:25:37 if you stop playback and exit it saves it in a local media data store thingie Mar 28 06:25:40 silverlight does it Mar 28 06:25:49 Ah. You just see the time remaining? Mar 28 06:26:02 yes just time remaning Mar 28 06:26:07 Yeah, that's annoying for certain things. Mar 28 06:26:20 It's hard to synchronize the watching a movie with someone online too. :D Mar 28 06:26:24 I think silverlight keeps all of it in a local storeage space. Mar 28 06:26:34 I'm at "2 hours and 53 minutes left". Mar 28 06:27:08 how does that help anyone reallyy Mar 28 06:27:09 boodllebat: Did it end up working? Mar 28 06:27:27 TacticalJoke: trying i'm getting close to gradle ! Mar 28 06:27:33 I suspect its all DRM related Mar 28 06:27:42 they keep everything they can secret. Mar 28 06:28:33 its dumb because you can see thumbnails with timestamps as places to jump forward or backward but not the current Mar 28 06:32:02 UIs like that always feel dumbed down to me. Mar 28 06:32:24 At least let us click the time-remaining display to toggle whether it counts up or down, or something. Mar 28 06:32:49 Newbies can suffer if they accidentally click it. Mar 28 06:32:57 They shouldn't be clicking random stuff anyway. :D Mar 28 06:33:16 I just took the total time (2:45:27) and subtracted from the time remaining Mar 28 06:33:22 kinda gross but eh Mar 28 06:34:39 uh Mar 28 06:34:42 uh ! Mar 28 06:34:45 whaaaat Mar 28 06:34:54 i just went into my developer console ... and its blank Mar 28 06:36:36 ok. googleing developer console used to always work, but now it took me https://console.developers.google.com/project Mar 28 06:36:41 wtf is that anyhow :| Mar 28 06:37:53 desmin88, I guess you could poke around in \ProgramData\Microsoft\ maybe in the PlayReadySilverlight dir Mar 28 06:38:08 thanks Carbonflux ill take a look around in there Mar 28 06:38:17 tho that might just be DRM stuff Mar 28 06:38:20 :) Mar 28 06:45:20 God, /r/wtf is really living up to its name today. Mar 28 06:45:31 Clicked four links, saw four NSFL things. Mar 28 06:45:36 there is no god on /r/wtf Mar 28 06:45:38 Is there a good android app for checking stats etc of apps in the developer console? Mar 28 06:46:06 thats really meta duncannz Mar 28 06:46:17 haha Mar 28 06:46:19 yeah it is haha Mar 28 06:46:32 I only found one app but it had a two star rating and looked pretty bad Mar 28 06:46:32 TacticalJoke saw a decent vid the other day of why voting systems like reddit, HN are pretty bogus. calls into question the whole legitimacy of it Mar 28 06:46:49 g00s: every platform ever has been successfully astroturfed Mar 28 06:47:03 Yeah, I'm not hugely convinced by its efficacy. Mar 28 06:47:07 s/by/of/ Mar 28 06:47:14 yeah this wasn't about astroturfing directly, but just 'mob stupidity' Mar 28 06:47:37 there would probably be a considerable market for a gplay developer console app, I always use the adsense app to check earnings but also want to check my app's stats Mar 28 06:47:45 and they have an api Mar 28 06:48:10 Apple has an iOS app for devs to see sales, console Mar 28 06:48:16 I get the feeling that reddit's system is pretty good at giving a lot of people content that they'll probably like quite a lot. But that's about all you get. Mar 28 06:48:34 this is the only one I found but it's not even in english https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.edsoft.google_developer Mar 28 06:49:27 in many areas, apple is so so far ahead Mar 28 06:49:42 yeah and even more so until rather recently Mar 28 06:49:48 android only got the UI right with lollipop Mar 28 06:50:01 beauty is only skin deep though Mar 28 06:50:05 :D Mar 28 06:50:53 but at least android has AOSP, although increasingly google is abandoning AOSP and releasing closed apps. See Hangouts, Photos, etc. Mar 28 06:51:04 I don't think any of my devices will upgrade to 5.0, I have a first gen motoG and an ASUS older tablet Mar 28 06:51:14 cyanogenmod, Carbonflux? Mar 28 06:51:32 Carbonflux moto g 2014 not going to 5.0 ? Mar 28 06:52:10 hopefully 5.1, because 5.0 seems pretty awful Mar 28 06:52:24 you want those memory leak fixes. all of them :) Mar 28 06:52:55 the ASUS tablet has stopped at 4.3 and the motoG at 4.4.4 Mar 28 06:53:10 ya good point heh Mar 28 06:53:22 I am fine with it really, everything is stable. Mar 28 06:53:40 aha I found exactly what I'm after! https://github.com/AndlyticsProject/andlytics Mar 28 06:53:47 yafy Mar 28 06:53:48 yay* Mar 28 06:54:09 g00s, it seems like the second gen ones are but not this one. Mar 28 06:54:26 if i buy another android device, its going to be a cheap piece of crap Mar 28 06:54:59 so i dont have to care whether it gets abandoned, just get another one in cracker jacks box when that time comes Mar 28 06:55:11 I think I am going to get another motoG actually, my gf has a new one and it seems to have everything I want. Mar 28 06:55:12 I don't even use my tablet. Mar 28 06:55:15 moto E looks OK Mar 28 06:55:18 Apart from to test my app. That's it. Mar 28 06:55:46 No way am I gonna buy another device just to test on 5.x. Mar 28 06:55:58 ya Mar 28 06:56:55 is not the idea to loosely bind hardware to a android version? Mar 28 06:56:57 My dad got a Moto G 2013. It's pretty neat. Mar 28 06:57:16 I <3 my Sony, though. Sony screens are so rich and bright. Mar 28 06:57:25 Nexus-y devices all look yellow/orange to me. Mar 28 06:58:03 I mostly just try to avoid samsungs. Mar 28 06:58:15 I don't have the best "luck" with their hardware Mar 28 06:58:18 its your duty as a developer to avoid samsung :D Mar 28 06:58:24 heh Mar 28 06:58:27 but seriously, its good to test on them Mar 28 06:58:43 The fact that Samsung puts the Back button on the wrong side -- that alone is crazy. Mar 28 06:58:46 I've increasingly found people referring to "apple or samsung" Mar 28 06:58:48 all the crash reports for my app are on samsungs actually. Mar 28 06:58:55 mainly cause advertising works Mar 28 06:58:59 lol i know i'm going to forget about that samung breaking appcompat thing and wind up finding a bunch of crashes Mar 28 06:59:06 in dev console Mar 28 06:59:21 I wonder whether that applies if you're not using Activity.setSupportActionBar. Mar 28 06:59:29 I have an issue in my tracker dedicated to figuring that out. Mar 28 06:59:34 it turns out that some samsungs claim to support opengl 2.0 but don't have full shader support. Mar 28 06:59:51 I'll probably use ProGuard anyway, I guess. Mar 28 06:59:57 Especially if I end up using Kotlin. Mar 28 07:00:16 TacticalJoke did using proguard defaults automatically fix it ? Mar 28 07:00:30 I think so, but I think something had to be kept (I've forgotten all the details). Mar 28 07:00:42 Though the 'keep' thing is another topic, I guess. Mar 28 07:01:04 i think google should have had a blog for everyone to see about that Mar 28 07:01:12 with a definitive answer Mar 28 07:01:38 since, basically, pretty much everyone using appcompat will have to do that now. Mar 28 07:01:39 Dat first response doe: "Please use a forum like StackOverflow for development help" --> WrongForum. Mar 28 07:01:51 Yeah, they should. Mar 28 07:01:55 "Please hire people that give a shit" Mar 28 07:01:57 Right now, it's insider knowledge. Mar 28 07:02:12 Just release your app and hopefully google "samsung appcompat" when it crashes on countless devices. Mar 28 07:02:26 Then navigate through hundreds of comments to figure out the solution. Mar 28 07:02:29 i keep seeing these android devbyte videos with kids in them - are they just interns, hopefully Mar 28 07:02:42 if not, no wonder why stuff is so screwed up Mar 28 07:03:00 It wouldn't surprise me. Mar 28 07:03:58 it was only a matter of time Mar 28 07:04:09 It's crazy that they haven't uploaded a page about that Samsung issue. Mar 28 07:04:14 google is now an elite job people get just to get it Mar 28 07:04:16 How is someone supposed to understand that from just googling? Mar 28 07:04:23 rather than because its interesting Mar 28 07:04:23 I mean, it's possible, but it's so error-prone. Mar 28 07:07:36 TacticalJoke: Solved it :D Mar 28 07:07:48 Nice. Mar 28 07:07:52 Was I right? Mar 28 07:08:27 Just so I know for future. Mar 28 07:09:24 TacticalJoke: hmm what you told me helped me to fix the issue i opened my friend's system he was using android studio got his gradle configs they make thrid party libs in app directory i took its help modified my build accordingly and it worked ! Mar 28 07:13:10 TacticalJoke: now i must write this as shell plugin for non IDE users so that any one would not get stuck up here in future Mar 28 07:19:15 I think I should try porting mathJAX to android. A good library for math rendering is missing. Mar 28 07:19:27 mathjax or katex Mar 28 07:21:14 napster: we cannot use java lib in android project ? Mar 28 07:22:20 hmm, these are JS libs actually Mar 28 07:25:51 napster: do we have to port lib before using it in android cause i'm using pure java lib right in my android without doing anything special and it is working fine ! Mar 28 07:26:34 I'm talking about porting Javascript libraries into Java. Mar 28 07:30:03 What's the ideal way to maintain several products with quite a bit of shared code base? Flavors? Branches? Mar 28 07:33:32 not flavors - either library projects, or one project with sub modules maybe ? Mar 28 07:34:02 how can i get the device id that is mentioned here http://android-developers.blogspot.in/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html after an installation? Where should I write the file and how can I instantiate the method to get the id ? Mar 28 07:47:43 Hello i want to limit my EditText only to numbers and charecters like "+,-,/,*" Mar 28 08:10:06 bah, need gradle fatjar support badly Mar 28 08:27:45 boodllebat: thats what android:digits="0123456789+-/*" would give you Mar 28 08:28:26 Napalm: yeah figured that :) Mar 28 08:46:57 Hi. Anyone else had problems with NPEs in the in-app billing helper library? Mar 28 08:55:49 Repost: how can i get the device id that is mentioned here http://android-developers.blogspot.in/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html after an installation? Where should I write the file and how can I instantiate the method to get the id ? Mar 28 09:02:11 shafox: care to be more specific? Mar 28 09:04:24 Leeds: At the time of installation I want to record the android_id, deviceId etc and store it in the db. For that where should I do it ? Mar 28 09:13:33 I suggest doing it on the device Mar 28 09:18:47 Is there anyway in which I can disable horizontal scrolling in a webview? Mar 28 09:19:38 Leeds: can you give some examples ? Mar 28 09:33:25 shafox: you can't really do anything "on installation", since your code isn't executed until the user actually starts the app. Mar 28 09:34:15 Chamooze: So I can do that when the application starts, within onCreate on Application object right ? Mar 28 09:34:21 shafox: so I'm guessing your best bet is the onCreate of your first activity Mar 28 09:34:30 yeah Mar 28 09:35:10 thank you :0 Mar 28 09:35:15 :) Mar 28 09:37:34 shafox, also remember that using ANDROID_ID to track users is forbidden by Play Store Mar 28 09:37:42 you might get banned for that Mar 28 09:45:49 Mavrik: ohh i didnt know that. Mar 28 09:45:55 Mavrik: hmm, not seen that. must've missed a document or something? do you have a URL? Mar 28 09:46:05 So what is the alternative way ? Mar 28 09:46:31 not that I actually have a need to track users like that in my apps, but still.. good to know. :P Mar 28 09:46:46 Chamooze, the change was introduced last year Mar 28 09:46:51 when they added advertiser ID Mar 28 09:47:31 Abiding by the terms of use. The advertising identifier may only be used in accordance with these terms, including by any party that you may share it with in the course of your business. Beginning August 1st 2014, all updates and new apps uploaded to the Play Store must use the advertising ID (when available on a device) in lieu of any other device identifiers for any advertising purposes. Mar 28 09:47:42 hmm, there is the "advertising purposes" tho Mar 28 09:48:29 but doesn't that refer specifically to the advertising ID in AdvertisingIdClient.Info? Mar 28 09:48:43 Chamooze, yes? Mar 28 09:49:50 hmmm... is ANDROID_ID in Settings.Secure the same? Mar 28 09:49:55 no. Mar 28 09:50:48 so how does that mean it's against Play Store policy to use ANDROID_ID to track users/installations? Mar 28 09:51:18 Chamooze, last part Mar 28 09:51:35 while "for advertising purposes" is a rather stertchable term Mar 28 09:51:58 the thing is you're not allowed to link up user personal information without consent with their device IDs - do read the whole part of that play store policy Mar 28 09:52:11 that's why the advertiser ID was created - it lets users optout and reset it Mar 28 09:56:42 Hmmm dunno. From what I can tell, you're not allowed to link the advertiser ID with any device/user identifying IDs Mar 28 09:56:56 so storing ad ID together with ANDROID_ID would be a no no Mar 28 09:57:54 many countries here in Europe also forbid storing personal information at all without user consent Mar 28 09:59:43 anyway, doesn't really matter to me but will have to look into it more if I ever get the need to track individual installations.. :) Mar 28 10:02:55 Chamooze, do you understand what "in lieu of any other device identifier" means? english wise? Mar 28 10:08:27 omelette du fromage Mar 28 10:08:44