**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 02:59:59 2015 Apr 03 03:04:33 TacticalJoke and pfn, thanks both for the help. The gradle thing solved it and got my project up on github without issue! Thanks again Apr 03 03:05:57 g00s, maps has location history Apr 03 03:06:06 g00s, part of gms Apr 03 03:07:06 Hillatio: The joys of Gradle. :) Apr 03 03:07:48 God, I hate my 2.4ghz wifi Apr 03 03:07:54 it's so garbage Apr 03 03:08:14 spectrum too crowded? Apr 03 03:08:31 no, my router is a pos Apr 03 03:08:56 I have a diff 2.4 on another network and it works great Apr 03 03:09:12 the problem is it's on my external net Apr 03 03:11:04 interestingly, and this makes total sense, the reception might be better if the power level is turned down because of the amplifier adding distortion Apr 03 03:11:25 less power less distortion, as long as you aren't getting run over by everyone else :) Apr 03 03:13:36 nah, signal strength on it is relatively low Apr 03 03:13:57 i'm using 2.4 because my n7 2013 is terrible with 5ghz Apr 03 03:15:10 I only use 2.4 because of the chromecast and my thermostat Apr 03 03:19:42 my macbook pro doesn't support 5ghz so i'm stuck with 2.4ghz even though there are like 25 routers in my apartment complex Apr 03 03:20:05 and every channel is crowded Apr 03 03:20:11 liuwenhao, whu? macs were some of the best for supporting 5ghz, I'm very surprised you don't have it Apr 03 03:20:35 liuwenhao, apple says all new ones as of 2012 support 5ghz Apr 03 03:20:54 mines a 2010 Apr 03 03:20:57 2.4ghz only Apr 03 03:21:01 i've tried everything to get it to work on 5ghz Apr 03 03:21:06 not that this is "apple hardware help channel", but we always loved macs when doing wifi deployments because we can shove them up onto 5ghz and forget it Apr 03 03:21:06 to no avail Apr 03 03:21:07 ah Apr 03 03:21:28 yeah. well if you don't have the radio, isn't going to happen. 2010 is fairly old at this point, guess that doesn't surprise me Apr 03 03:21:29 Will an AsyncTask automatically free itself when it reaches onPostExecution? Apr 03 03:21:44 I need to get a new laptop but no money Apr 03 03:22:44 my laptops poop too Apr 03 03:23:16 it's really slow, but I think if I ever bought an ssd for it it would help as much as buying a new laptop Apr 03 03:23:56 i put a ssd in my desktop and it made such a huge difference for coding Apr 03 03:24:01 used to take me 45 seconds to boot android studio Apr 03 03:24:06 now it's down to 3-4 seconds Apr 03 03:24:19 and build times used to take me over a minute Apr 03 03:24:38 glad i'll never have to use a 5400rpm drive again Apr 03 03:26:15 * g00s has 5400 rpm drive ;) Apr 03 03:26:33 Really? Apr 03 03:26:39 2009 MBP Apr 03 03:26:48 get a cheap ssd Apr 03 03:27:05 and put your 5400rpm in an external enclosure Apr 03 03:27:12 meh, i need a new machine. topuchpad, battery, and superdrive have / are failing Apr 03 03:27:18 only 4G emory too Apr 03 03:28:05 ummm does Android's java implementation support switch statements on Strings? Apr 03 03:28:12 in java 7 Apr 03 03:28:20 yes Apr 03 03:28:29 so I can use Java 7 with Android? It is converted to dex just fine? Apr 03 03:29:02 its in the docs ;) Apr 03 03:29:12 :D Apr 03 03:29:15 *reads* Apr 03 03:29:48 compileOptions { sourceCompatibility JavaVersion.VERSION_1_7 targetCompatibility JavaVersion.VERSION_1_7 } Apr 03 03:32:07 phix: You probably won't need that. Apr 03 03:32:21 Even java8-lookalike is converted to Dex just fine (retrolambda) Apr 03 03:33:16 TacticalJoke: I do for String's in switch statements Apr 03 03:34:27 Do you have a Java-only module and are you using JDK 8? Apr 03 03:34:34 AFAIR, that's the only time I've had to use that. Apr 03 03:34:56 Otherwise, I just use Java 7 language features. Apr 03 03:35:37 Personally, I'm tempted to use retrolambda. Professionally, I don't think my teams are ready for this, even though I've been slowly introducing Rx Apr 03 03:36:01 TacticalJoke: I am using java version 7 Apr 03 03:36:01 CedricBeust i thought there was a problem with RL and Jack/Jill ? Apr 03 03:36:04 well, 1.7 :) Apr 03 03:37:01 phix: Have you tried *not* using the compileOptions thing? Apr 03 03:37:03 It should just work. Apr 03 03:38:04 g00s: Can't comment on that, I've never tried it Apr 03 03:39:46 yo Apr 03 03:40:15 got a new machine, setting up a dev environment Apr 03 03:40:25 cool story bro ! Apr 03 03:40:45 so, Im looking at building games for the new shield console Apr 03 03:41:22 Im just not sure if I should use the nvidia TADP (tegra android dev pack) or unity Apr 03 03:42:01 do you only cre about the shield console? Apr 03 03:42:07 or do you plan to run on other android devices Apr 03 03:42:42 where are the temporary apk's saved to? Apr 03 03:43:39 no other mobile really Apr 03 03:43:52 androidtv, pc desktop, web browser Apr 03 03:44:14 Im specifically focusing on console style gameplay Apr 03 03:44:32 Storyteller, probably the only major deciding factor then is how well supported it is / is there a community. There's probably more community support for unity. tadp might be better. Apr 03 03:44:38 'if I had a million dollars' Id build games for ps4 Apr 03 03:44:39 I don't know the answer, but that's how i'd approach it Apr 03 03:44:43 fprophet: if you build a signed apk in android studio it should be under your project folder Apr 03 03:45:02 yeah, Im torn on this Apr 03 03:45:09 app->build->outputs->apk Apr 03 03:46:22 TacticalJoke: The reason I brought it up is because I was receiving a compiler error about it Apr 03 03:46:49 nvidia community is pretty silent on this... Apr 03 03:46:58 is anyone here using unity? Apr 03 03:47:12 or the TADP ? Apr 03 03:47:43 Storyteller: ummm wrong channel? Sounds like you should be in #ubuntu :) Apr 03 03:47:52 unless unity exists in android Apr 03 03:48:03 what does ubuntu have to do with anything? Apr 03 03:48:29 unity, its a game engine Apr 03 03:48:39 phix, unity is a very popular game engine on android Apr 03 03:48:42 wait, everyone thinks its unity3d Apr 03 03:48:59 because unity.com was taken, so they bought unity3d.com instead Apr 03 03:49:08 its just 'Unity' Apr 03 03:49:11 Storyteller, unity is also the window manager ubuntu uses, but, i knew what you meant. Apr 03 03:49:18 aah, ok Apr 03 03:49:22 I don't use it. but i know what you meant. Apr 03 03:49:42 anyone use the TADP or nsight from nvidia? Apr 03 03:54:02 dragorn: ah ok :) Apr 03 03:54:19 Storyteller: it is also the windows manager in ubuntu :) Apr 03 03:54:38 [22:49] Storyteller, unity is also the window manager ubuntu uses, but, i knew what you meant. Apr 03 03:54:56 yup just read that :P Apr 03 03:55:18 still, any feedback on unity and the nvidia dev tools would be welcome Apr 03 03:56:02 Storyteller, you may find more people awake during US daytime hours Apr 03 03:56:03 I have never done game programming before Apr 03 03:56:26 yeah; i've done a lot of work w/ nvidia chipsets, but never in terms of doing game dev on them Apr 03 03:56:39 It is also a public holiday :) Apr 03 03:57:54 Im just interested in the ide/dev environments myself Apr 03 03:58:08 Storyteller: as am I, let me know what you find out Apr 03 03:58:17 I may well do that Apr 03 04:02:44 Storyteller: unity is highly regarded Apr 03 04:02:59 your game will also run on desktops, etc Apr 03 04:03:09 yeah, I use it a lot, Im very familiar with it Apr 03 04:03:17 like, since 1.4-1.6 Apr 03 04:03:26 although ARC/NaCl is making me seriously think about doing a game in straight android sdk Apr 03 04:03:34 well and libgdx Apr 03 04:08:25 Storyteller: ok, sorry but what is your question then? Apr 03 04:09:12 Im just looking for feedback or the two environments for developing for android Apr 03 04:09:17 pros and cons Apr 03 04:09:43 Id gather that the TADP would be more direct for android Apr 03 04:10:04 Im interested in if there are a lot of problems exporting from unity Apr 03 04:10:09 things like that Apr 03 04:10:38 ah ok, unfortunatley i don't know anything about any of that :/ Apr 03 04:11:26 <_genuser_> myke: how's multi-identiy web browing going? Apr 03 04:11:49 _genuser_: thanks for that! tho i haven't had a chance to try it out. i noticed yahoo just deployed the same thing! Apr 03 04:12:18 <_genuser_> myke: heh, yahoo just can't let go of big ads, flash ads, and other disruptive items. Apr 03 04:12:41 and they're back to their own search engine, and it's now the firefox default as well Apr 03 04:13:05 <_genuser_> I remember when Yahoo was the "it" web portal. Apr 03 04:13:19 _genuser_: did you see my android async example? Apr 03 04:13:30 <_genuser_> I thought google was dumb looking front page with no webmaster skillz to put tons of stuff on front page. Apr 03 04:13:42 <_genuser_> myke: no, I didn't. was it something worth seeing? Apr 03 04:14:08 really? i always appreciated google's ultra-minimal page...that came out right when "portals" were a big thing, and altavista was all crapped up Apr 03 04:14:31 <_genuser_> yeah, it took me a while and then I just really liked google's minimalist approach. still do. Apr 03 04:14:39 _genuser_: no! lol. i do appreciate any feedback on it Apr 03 04:14:50 g00s said it made a lentil come out of his nose or something Apr 03 04:15:08 <_genuser_> lentils, eh? Apr 03 04:15:14 _genuser_: https://github.com/fkspro/android-tinyasync Apr 03 04:15:24 have a look and let me know what you think, thanks in advance Apr 03 04:15:41 <_genuser_> I've been wasting time trying to get people to friend me on facebook. I'm sending friend requests and waiting to see if anyone accepted it, lol. Apr 03 04:16:05 i'm *pretty* sure this doesn't leak any references, but maybe someone who actually knows java could confirm Apr 03 04:16:59 i genuinely think this may be of use to noobs Apr 03 04:17:08 just to understand the entire async web request life cycle Apr 03 04:18:16 what i really wanted: try { activity_reference.some_method(foo); } catch { log_error("Oops, this activity doesn't have some_method() ??"); } Apr 03 04:20:08 what i really *really* wanted: in onCreate() or whatever: $result = yield(getUrl("https://api.example.com/some/resource")); Apr 03 04:20:10 hehe http://imgur.com/IMPLLmS Apr 03 04:20:25 i haven't tried any coroutine libs with android yet Apr 03 04:20:33 <_genuser_> lol lot of my asyncs are done like this. class mega_turd{ ....; class worker extends AsyncTask<>{ ...; mega_turd_var=blah; } } Apr 03 04:20:53 _genuser_: and i've formalized that! Apr 03 04:20:59 <_genuser_> lol, nice! Apr 03 04:21:08 and no asynctask, because you don't need a worker queue Apr 03 04:21:20 <_genuser_> I've had a "avoid" relationship with java. even tho, that's teh programming language I've used the most in the last year doing android coding. Apr 03 04:21:47 yep i come from mostly a dynamic type background: perl, php, python ... the P culture Apr 03 04:22:03 i know just enough C++ for it to mess up my reasoning about java :( Apr 03 04:22:12 <_genuser_> I've shifted to camel-casing method names, var names (except public vars acting as properties). who has the time or energy to write getters/setters. Apr 03 04:22:27 why use a getter/setter when you can just public? Apr 03 04:23:13 <_genuser_> right. only time I use those is when a property is read-only or when it needs to be assigned a value in a certain way, so the code can format the input correctly. Apr 03 04:23:56 <_genuser_> oh, so I see, your TinyAsync is just using regular java threads... Apr 03 04:24:11 yep yep Apr 03 04:24:17 i cut out the middleman, basically Apr 03 04:24:27 <_genuser_> you just insulted java... Apr 03 04:24:37 i did, i really really did, very much so! Apr 03 04:24:38 <_genuser_> java is all about middleman, if anything. Apr 03 04:24:51 i'm pretty sure this code will keep me from ever getting hired as any kind of java developer Apr 03 04:24:54 which is ok by me Apr 03 04:25:45 <_genuser_> it's an approach. but your java code is neatly organized. you understand that it's against java mindset, etc. etc. I think that makes you a java dev. Apr 03 04:26:06 <_genuser_> I switch from c/c++ originally where method names were mostly 8 chars. so were vars. Apr 03 04:26:09 i still stand by my claim that 1) most coders (who are average by definition) are still struggling with doing everything in a pure functional or reactive style and 2) although this is gross as heck to look at it, it does not leak activity references and isn't unduly inefficient overall Apr 03 04:26:23 <_genuser_> then to VB where you would uppsercase them and have ReallyLongNamesThatCompletelyDescribedTheMethod() Apr 03 04:26:27 it lets you keep your activity's logic code with your activity's ui code Apr 03 04:26:56 ok, thanks for looking at it, and understanding what i'm doing Apr 03 04:26:57 <_genuser_> yeah, I dislike the non-activity related stuff literred in activity class. Apr 03 04:27:00 i do appreciate that Apr 03 04:27:05 <_genuser_> notification interfaces etc etc. Apr 03 04:27:12 g00s is just all lolwat and lentils Apr 03 04:27:31 whats going on? Apr 03 04:27:38 i haven't started eating my lentils yet Apr 03 04:27:40 <_genuser_> heh, I guess a community developers a certain mindset and if you digress, it will make it harder for you to connect with others Apr 03 04:27:55 _genuser_: the idea here is you would build your app bottom-up...you wouldn't call urls directly like i do, but have a lib that does...but the lib is entirely synchronous, the TinyAsync class deals with that part of it Apr 03 04:28:00 <_genuser_> g00s: we should hope not. he said you just pushed them out your nose earlier.... Apr 03 04:28:26 oh i think myke made me laugh whil ai was swallowing some lentils and then went down the wrong pipe Apr 03 04:28:29 hurt like hell Apr 03 04:28:44 i'm sure rx android is a great way but...does it really make sense for everyone to drop their actual work and learn an entirely different core architecture? Apr 03 04:28:50 <_genuser_> myke: I had a lot of custom even notification setups when I first started android. overtime, I've learned to just do it the java way even if it sounds wrong to me. Apr 03 04:28:50 eventually became airborne :) Apr 03 04:28:55 <_genuser_> g00s: lol Apr 03 04:28:56 i know them's fiting words right there Apr 03 04:29:22 <_genuser_> myke: for example, why do you have to implement an interface and pass a reference to yourself to be notified of an event. that's just dumb. Apr 03 04:29:25 g00s: sorry Apr 03 04:29:38 <_genuser_> myke: you shoudl be able to give a function reference and say, call this if raise event X. Apr 03 04:29:45 <_genuser_> just like in _any other normal language_ Apr 03 04:29:45 _genuser_: i know right? but otherwise you leak activity references >:( Apr 03 04:30:11 _genuser_: or in python or whatrever, you just call your methods direclty on a reference you get back, and catch exceptions at runtime Apr 03 04:30:16 <_genuser_> .NET, you just assign an eventhandler, but it's really just a function pointer. Apr 03 04:30:41 but can't do that in java, at least not witout creating an even worse object that uses reflection to sidestep the limitations of static typing Apr 03 04:30:49 <_genuser_> and that function runs in the instance of the object that assigned that eventhandler. and done. Apr 03 04:31:10 _genuser_: don't use .NET, is it static or dynamic typed? Apr 03 04:31:16 <_genuser_> yeah, that's why I think java should have been doing more to fix itself instead of complaining about Microsoft early 2000s. Apr 03 04:31:29 this is a classic design pattern problem, this is how i solved it, i know it's inelegant and gross - but it works! Apr 03 04:31:35 ok I am having issues with shared preferences. I have created a PreferenceFragment that reads app_preference.xml file. I then set preferences. I try to access the preferences from another activity (in same project / package) and I am not getting the stored valueds Apr 03 04:32:12 one problem with pubsub, all the ones i've seen use your object's class to figure out if you should get a msg or not Apr 03 04:32:24 but what if you only want a specific instance to get the msg? Apr 03 04:32:35 now you have to implement that inside your msg object...also gross Apr 03 04:33:34 well it's not a matter of "fixing itself", it's a direct result of the core design decisions about java's type system Apr 03 04:33:48 myke: The limitations you are talking about have nothing to do with static typing and everything to do with the language Apr 03 04:33:51 <_genuser_> myke: I think all .NET is static typed now. Apr 03 04:33:55 One thing I should add is I use a library that defines a preferences file too. However it is in a different package Apr 03 04:33:57 CedricBeust: ok Apr 03 04:33:58 any ideas? Apr 03 04:34:19 <_genuser_> back in VB, you could do var blah. or just blah=2. but with .NET that has changed in VB.NET Apr 03 04:34:39 well that's true, C++ templates let you do some things i wanted to do in this code but couldn't, not in java anyway Apr 03 04:35:10 <_genuser_> myke: for instance getting messages, I like this. ObjectReader has event, onDataRead. Object Listner1 says reader.onDataRead=method1(); and Listener2 says nothing. Apr 03 04:35:27 <_genuser_> myke: so Listener1 will get the message and Listener2 won't. Apr 03 04:36:12 <_genuser_> phix: are you able to read them in the first activity? Apr 03 04:36:29 <_genuser_> phix: or is only your preferenceFragment able to see and set the values correctly. Apr 03 04:36:34 _genuser_: ok I found the issue, constant was named differently than the key :/ Is there a way to link the XML preference key with a constant? or vice versa? Apr 03 04:36:53 I hate having to repeat myself and keep these things insync manually Apr 03 04:37:00 _genuser_: hmm gotta contemplate that Apr 03 04:37:12 most likely i just haven't sussed out the finer points of using an event bus Apr 03 04:37:14 I wish I could use C or C++ instead of java to write my app in but the NDK never seems to work :( Apr 03 04:38:24 Why would you prefer C++ over Java, except maybe familiarity? Apr 03 04:39:07 type inference Apr 03 04:39:18 <_genuser_> myke: all windows programming languages have been like that forever. VB6, Delphi, .NET (VB/c#), these are the ones I've used. Apr 03 04:39:29 for me, it's just because I am more familiar with it Apr 03 04:39:41 <_genuser_> phix: I guess you could store it's name in a key or string value in the resources. Apr 03 04:40:00 fprophet: Then spend some time learning Java, familiarity is transient, it comes and goes, but in the end, Java is just a more productive language Apr 03 04:40:55 hey, i have a cust list fragment within an activity, and I pass the activity as the context to the listadapter. now when i press on any views in the activity, the listadapter getView gets called. How can i get around this? Apr 03 04:41:14 <_genuser_> phix: I just put it in a string in strings. then I do: context.getSharedPreferences(getString(R.string.preference_file_key), Context.MODE_PRIVATE); Apr 03 04:42:18 man google services documentation is total shit Apr 03 04:42:36 wth is this https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/analytics/HitBuilders.HitBuilder.html#setNonInteraction(boolean) Apr 03 04:43:03 when are grown ups going to start documenting things ? Apr 03 04:44:09 _genuser_: ok that might work. Can I also use @string references for the values that a PreferenceList uses? Apr 03 04:45:26 jubjub: not sure i understand, are you registering the fragment's getView on your activity (accidentally) ? Apr 03 04:46:50 <_genuser_> phix: meaning? oh you're going to populate a PreferenceList from an "array" or strings from your strings resource? Apr 03 04:47:09 myke: i think so. If i click a button in the activity it calls the listadapters getView. Apr 03 04:47:21 ok, next question, I have a custom widget that uses the following xml schema: xmlns:app="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto". I would like to add a style in styles.xml that refers to the app schema. Is this possible? if so, how do I add the schema into the file? Apr 03 04:47:30 jubjub: can you pastebin or whatever your code? Apr 03 04:47:35 _genuser_: yes, unless that is a bad idea? Apr 03 04:48:51 myke: here is the code for the listfragment and adapter http://pastebin.com/QGsmpCCB Apr 03 04:49:28 <_genuser_> phix: no, it should actually be a good idea. you can declare a string array in your resources. and then in PreferenceList use that. Apr 03 04:50:07 <_genuser_> phix: do populate a PreferenceList you'll need to extend a BaseAdapter. this BaseAdapter could initialize it's data from the string array in the constructor. Apr 03 04:50:42 _genuser_: That sounds like a good idea Apr 03 04:51:46 <_genuser_> I have a generic SelectionAdapter extends BaseAdapter. in constructor, public SelectionAdapter(Context Ctx, String[] value); I just pass it the list of strings to use and the context to use. :) Apr 03 04:51:56 _genuser_: How are you at styles? I am using a library that provides custom widgets (for changing the font and specifying it via layout xmls). I would like to create a style for these custom widgets and define the font Apr 03 04:52:16 the font is in a different XML schema that I cant seem to access in the styles.xml file Apr 03 04:52:25 <_genuser_> phix: this allows me to re-use the same adapter for all my list based selections in preferences dialog. Apr 03 04:53:14 does everyone use android studio? Apr 03 04:53:27 sohrab: yes, except for the people that still use eclipse :) Apr 03 04:53:28 i'm just getting started... what are some good forums for android dev? Apr 03 04:53:52 phix, i see, thanks Apr 03 04:54:06 Google Apr 03 04:54:18 :) Apr 03 04:54:21 <_genuser_> phix: UI, is I think the weak point of many a developer. I don't know enough about the UI xml layours and schemas to offer any "valuable" comments. :) Apr 03 04:54:40 i'm doing the sample app at developer.android.com. is that a good place to start? Apr 03 04:54:45 <_genuser_> sohrab: I still use eclipse. but remember ADT plugin doesn't support anything higher than API level 18. so basically you have to move to AS. Apr 03 04:55:12 jubjub: sorry i'll check in a minute Apr 03 04:55:20 <_genuser_> sohrab: pick any place and follow thru some lessons. then write an app that does something. complete it with all necessary elements. it will force you to learn stuff. Apr 03 04:55:47 _genuser_, k, cool Apr 03 04:55:47 ^^ Apr 03 04:56:02 there's feee online classes from courser, etc Apr 03 04:56:07 is wearable development significantly different than regular android dev? Apr 03 04:56:32 ok so any one here awesome at UI xml layouts and styles?? :) Apr 03 04:56:42 myke, do you recommend any one in particular? Apr 03 04:56:46 myke: np :) Apr 03 04:58:01 sohrab: cousera has a 6-part soup to nuts one Apr 03 04:58:07 try that, it's free Apr 03 04:58:11 i'm doing it Apr 03 04:59:54 myke: https://www.coursera.org/course/androidpart1 ? Apr 03 05:02:17 -- sohrab: is wearable development significantly different than regular android dev? Apr 03 05:02:24 you mean poor docs? no Apr 03 05:02:43 sohrab: yes, all 6 courses are linked at https://www.coursera.org/specialization/mobilecloudcomputing2/36?utm_medium=courseDescripTop Apr 03 05:02:59 i read last week the tesla guys complained the docs were bad Apr 03 05:05:03 myke, cool, thanks Apr 03 05:05:33 github a bit laggy for everyone or just me? Apr 03 05:05:42 sohrab: the sample code is useful as well: https://github.com/aporter/coursera-android Apr 03 05:05:45 best of luck! Apr 03 05:06:05 github was under attack earlier this week, dunno if that might have something to do with it Apr 03 05:11:40 hmmmm, no one awesome? or are awesome people modest? Apr 03 05:11:59 myke: did you get a chance to take a look? Apr 03 05:13:08 jubjub: doing so right now, a bit confused actually Apr 03 05:13:29 jubjub: could you put your app on appetize.io maybe? Apr 03 05:13:46 jubjub: i'm pretty n00bish so bear with me Apr 03 05:14:57 myke: i have no idea how to use that haha. I mean i made a work around for the issue by check if the ViewHolder is null. But not sure it that's the best method. Apr 03 05:20:42 jubjub: i'm a noob but check out http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/ListActivity.html Apr 03 05:20:51 it does not have a getView(), just a getListView() Apr 03 05:21:27 jubjub: how are you creating the fragment's instance? Apr 03 05:21:48 myke: private FragmentList fragmentList = new FragmentList(); Apr 03 05:22:04 or wait sorry that's an arrayadapter down there Apr 03 05:22:51 hmm! Apr 03 05:22:58 private static class ViewHolder{ Apr 03 05:23:02 did you really want that? Apr 03 05:23:10 i may be too tired/clueless to help Apr 03 05:23:28 but why are you using a class member instead of an instance member there? Apr 03 05:23:56 i'm pretty sure something is wronb because you set it in the constructor Apr 03 05:24:14 so the last instance will override the textview registered for all of them - is that really what you wanted/intended to happen? Apr 03 05:27:53 myke: that's not quite what the issue is, but i fixed it, so thanks :D Apr 03 05:28:15 myke: i forgot to set the Tag on the view, silly mistake. Apr 03 05:31:25 jubjub: lol ok :) Apr 03 05:59:46 groxx there ? Apr 03 05:59:52 * g00s struggling Apr 03 06:00:24 * phubarr struggles too Apr 03 06:00:38 googling "android screenviewbuilder fragment" == not encouraging Apr 03 06:04:35 liuwenhao, which city do you live in? Apr 03 06:06:29 g00s, if ga is that bad why not use other analytics? Apr 03 06:06:56 this is the first i've looked at. well, Fabric had almost no documentation at all Apr 03 06:07:04 Fabric Answers Apr 03 06:07:22 iprime what do you recommend ? Apr 03 06:11:11 can anyone help me with my nexus 5? Apr 03 06:11:46 fuck off then Apr 03 06:12:02 g00s, oh i'm just wondering if you've tried and discarded other options.. i've used different ones in different project... like Flurry, but I cannot say how good it was for those handling the analytics data Apr 03 06:14:46 iprime thanks, looking at that now Apr 03 06:15:43 woah Apr 03 06:15:50 i guess it's been a while since i've last used flurry Apr 03 06:16:01 now i'm reading yahoo bought them for $200m last july Apr 03 06:16:46 <_genuser_> why is it so hard to do quality work???? Apr 03 06:17:19 also mixpanel Apr 03 06:17:45 _genuser_ because android is too complex Apr 03 06:17:47 * g00s ducks Apr 03 06:18:10 too much work for too little reward in almost all areas Apr 03 06:19:15 Hello Apr 03 06:19:27 So should I avoid using a PreferenceActivity whenever I can? Apr 03 06:19:51 * regan shrugs Apr 03 06:19:55 just use PreferenceFragment, unless you need that dual pane headers crap Apr 03 06:20:14 which doesn't even kick in unless you're on 9" i think, and who has that :| Apr 03 06:20:24 hard to do quality work? not really Apr 03 06:20:38 I am trying to build an ndk app Apr 03 06:20:59 I am getting a warning Apr 03 06:21:01 WARNING [Project: :app] Current NDK support is deprecated. Alternative will be provided in the future. Apr 03 06:21:06 g00s, I can't do this without the activity? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-36qvdU6NgLo/UQeSVcEmwOI/AAAAAAAAPbc/ZuJ4nIDdkRk/s1600/Multipane.png Apr 03 06:21:31 Fragments..? Apr 03 06:21:44 by hand Apr 03 06:21:46 cbot` no, then yuo need PregetenceActivity. sorry Apr 03 06:22:02 heh, PreferenceActivity + Headers Apr 03 06:22:02 alright well who needs that dual pane header crap anyway Apr 03 06:22:36 yeah i think that is 9" landscape, not even sure if its portrait Apr 03 06:22:53 i dont need that many inches for what im doing Apr 03 06:23:06 I am attempting to follow ndk instructions and it give the warning above.. The tute is http://www.shaneenishry.com/blog/2014/08/17/ndk-with-android-studio/ Apr 03 06:23:06 4" is big enough Apr 03 06:23:08 <_genuser_> g00s: eh, I meant in general. Apr 03 06:23:11 right men? Apr 03 06:23:23 regan, just ignore the warning for now Apr 03 06:23:32 <_genuser_> g00s: I'm taking a break from my proj to quickly put donw a music idea I had and it's just sounding like crap. Apr 03 06:23:36 thanks pfn Apr 03 06:23:45 regan, there is no alternative at the moment Apr 03 06:23:47 regan fo into ctyosleep for another 2 years, maybe android will be ready for you then Apr 03 06:24:11 dont' forget to wake up though Apr 03 06:24:16 I need something to demo in a job interview on Tuesday Apr 03 06:24:27 what happens if you wake up and windows phone has 90% market haha Apr 03 06:25:03 <_genuser_> g00s: lol, that would be strange and cool all at the same time. windows phones. Apr 03 06:25:29 g00s is so very annoyingly anti android Apr 03 06:25:45 5 Windows phones apps combined has as many downloads in 1 year as just one of my iOS apps on the on the very first day Apr 03 06:25:47 he really should just leave and get in on the ground floor of Windows phone Apr 03 06:25:51 i'm just jojing, no way WP will have 90% Apr 03 06:26:20 pfn i'm waiting for it to take off, i'm sure like many other mobile devs ... including android ones Apr 03 06:26:21 regan, why demo ndk Apr 03 06:26:46 becuase employers are stupid and demanding Apr 03 06:27:09 regan i'd do iOS again too but i'm so out of the loop there. seems like competition is crazy, app store saturated, etc Apr 03 06:27:33 well android app store is saturated too these days Apr 03 06:27:37 every app store is saturated Apr 03 06:28:03 iOS 8 changed everything… constraints and the screen size of regular and compact Apr 03 06:28:17 if it's worth writing apps for, it will have apps already written Apr 03 06:29:03 Windows Phone is not saturated… I have users email saying thank god someone wrote something for it.. no apps, no users, no apps, no users, rinse and repeat Apr 03 06:29:20 regan is xcode behaving well these days ? Apr 03 06:29:36 xcode crashes like a mother Apr 03 06:29:41 haha Apr 03 06:29:51 and they’ve put in secret menus Apr 03 06:30:26 was watching wwdc and I was like… “how is anybody supposed to find that..?” Apr 03 06:30:30 regan: in what situation does xcode crash for you? Apr 03 06:30:34 i read some blogs recently bemoaning the dip in apple software quality, specifically OS X Apr 03 06:30:55 regan, have you tried appcode? Apr 03 06:31:12 I have a simple GridView with a custom BaseAdapter. I am using the basic ViewHolder pattern. convertView is often null when scrolling down. Why would convertView keep being null when I inflated the layout already? Apr 03 06:31:29 xcode crashes often under many conditions I’ve got 20 of my own apps in the app store and I’ve worked on half a dozen of other peoples apps and it seems to crash more often with every release Apr 03 06:31:29 where should i create and set periodic sync adapter ? eg application class or my dashboard or starter activity ? Apr 03 06:31:47 xcode 2 or 3 when interface builder was separate was pretty solid Apr 03 06:32:44 I have a build error when attempting to compile code under the NDK in Android Studio Apr 03 06:33:33 It seems like it is not getting the filename passed on the command line to the compiler Apr 03 06:33:36 http://pastebin.com/XLBHFGyb Apr 03 06:33:48 <_genuser_> g00s: quite racist of you .... Apr 03 06:33:55 <_genuser_> g00s: to say WP will never have 90% market Apr 03 06:34:49 it doesn't look good Apr 03 06:35:17 no users, no apps, no users, no apps … forever and ever amen Apr 03 06:36:28 <_genuser_> g00s: look as in UI? or as in it doesn't look good for its establishement Apr 03 06:36:33 iprime: most employers demand xcode and thus I stick to what is in use… I don’t use Xamerine or whatever its called either.. Apr 03 06:36:39 _genuser_ establishment Apr 03 06:37:06 regan, it's not xamarin related, appcode would just be an aid, it still uses xcode Apr 03 06:37:14 <_genuser_> g00s: having done more android, I don't want that effort to go to waste. But having coded on windows forever, I really do like the windows way of doing things. Apr 03 06:37:51 <_genuser_> g00s: and I'm making an assumption here that WP coding would be similar. if it's much too different, then I suppose I don't want to learn another skill just for the sake of it. Apr 03 06:37:58 _genuser_ i think they have more experience building a platform that isn't sitting on a server Apr 03 06:38:13 guys Apr 03 06:38:36 <_genuser_> g00s: I'm split right now between wanting google docs type stuff or microsoft word, which is a powerhouse and can put out amazing quality stuff. Apr 03 06:38:46 <_genuser_> SaaS or Saa(desktop application) Apr 03 06:38:49 g00s: That doesn't exactly equate to "They have experience in mobile operating systems"... Apr 03 06:39:20 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: they may have consistently missed the mark. but their goal is always noble. Apr 03 06:39:43 They want to write awesome products, like... everybody else? Apr 03 06:39:54 <_genuser_> they wanted to make mobile computing about productivity. it wasn't until iphone/instagram and facebook became popular with pre-teen girls who were addicted to it, taht mobile computing took off. Apr 03 06:40:22 <_genuser_> the HP tablets were 10years ahead of the ipad. however, they allowed you actually do work. so they never took off. Apr 03 06:40:34 <_genuser_> now ipads allow you to look hipster and check your facebook and everyone has one. Apr 03 06:40:47 <_genuser_> *hp tablets with winxp. Apr 03 06:41:00 ndk does not seem to pick up file names… http://pastebin.com/gMgeL1JL Apr 03 06:42:09 i have a weird problem getContentService(). methods red and says cannot be resolved, Apr 03 06:42:10 http://postimg.org/image/3sqm4ao9f/ Apr 03 06:45:44 Actually, ignore that, it is bulding the C++ code. Apr 03 06:45:49 I’ll shut up now. Apr 03 06:47:49 _genuser_ regan i think things could change with windows 10; if there is demand for a work /productivity experience across form factors MS should be in a good position Apr 03 06:48:11 Nobody is going to make a dent in the mobile OS for a solid decade Apr 03 06:48:53 <_genuser_> g00s: hard to be super productive on phones tbh. can't really do much other than "like" stuff. Apr 03 06:49:06 <_genuser_> but surface pro I find to be the best of tablet/laptop/desktop worlds. Apr 03 06:49:32 I have a friend who is a die hard MSFT fan boy who worked for MSFT sponsored companies and he is trying to put on a brave face but even he admits things are not hopeful for them Apr 03 06:49:39 <_genuser_> only if they address the heating issue, it could be pretty nice little thing. Apr 03 06:50:06 Hey the Raspberry PI can run Windows 10 according to him… its going to be a special cut down version. Apr 03 06:50:10 _genuser_ it would be a bit easier for them to address that in the pro when they upgrade to broadwell Apr 03 06:50:21 sci-fic: The object "getContentService()" is returning doesn't have the method getIsSyncable(Acount, String). Can't put it any plainer than what the IDE already said. Apr 03 06:50:43 <_genuser_> ultimately entire civilizations die off. microsoft is just a corporation. they could just go away after a whiel, or they could switch gears and go into other areas... Apr 03 06:51:03 they have enough money and r&d going to last a while i suppose Apr 03 06:51:08 surf2b1:almost 30 methods and interfaces like this Apr 03 06:51:17 but when i set periodic sync it works Apr 03 06:51:19 thats weird Apr 03 06:51:21 <_genuser_> g00s: I have the pro and I really like it. mostly use it for drawing. but I can see how it can be used for all office needs. including coding. Apr 03 06:51:31 sci-fic: Make sure your API level matches when that method was introduced Apr 03 06:51:42 _genuser_ john skeet uses it for coding Apr 03 06:51:50 <_genuser_> g00s: provide employees with a surface pro3, and a dock. they bring it in dock it and bam just like the laptops it becomes desktop. Apr 03 06:51:55 <_genuser_> g00s: who's john skeet? Apr 03 06:52:09 i always see him answering stuff on SO :D Apr 03 06:52:17 <_genuser_> g00s: oh. Apr 03 06:52:35 <_genuser_> I do'nt have a dock setup and my desktop does more powerful stuff with a dual monitor, so I just use tablet for digital drawing. Apr 03 06:52:45 <_genuser_> ultimately for music, I'd like. Apr 03 06:52:54 <_genuser_> but SP3 can drive dual monitor setup easily. Apr 03 06:52:59 talk about rep on SO: http://stackoverflow.com/users/22656/jon-skeet Apr 03 06:54:09 hm, mixpanel is free for 200K events/month Apr 03 06:54:17 <_genuser_> mixpanel? Apr 03 06:54:31 oh i'm looking at analytics libraries now Apr 03 06:54:44 choose between GA, mixpanel, maybe apselar Apr 03 06:54:49 <_genuser_> oh, I was thinking of incorporating crashlytics into my app. Apr 03 06:55:02 <_genuser_> so you've some experience with researching these libs? Apr 03 06:55:15 some of these are more geared to installs & retention, other more about whats going on inside the app Apr 03 06:55:25 <_genuser_> I had originally planned on flurry. but then my brothers company uses crashlytics now. Apr 03 06:55:28 _genuser_ not really, just looking at them now Apr 03 06:55:51 yeah i have to look at flurry too Apr 03 06:56:02 <_genuser_> he said crashlytics was pretty cool. all logs from all users can be uploaded to the "dashboard". you just log in and stare at the amazing ways people break your app Apr 03 06:56:17 :D Apr 03 07:23:50 derp! Apr 03 07:24:59 * g00s launches lentil barage at myke Apr 03 07:30:31 * ivali activates shield Apr 03 07:31:05 hehe Apr 03 07:34:49 is google analytics still batching stuff in sqlite on the main thread? Apr 03 07:35:03 guess i'll have to measure with strictmode Apr 03 08:10:33 Hello. Apr 03 08:11:19 Is there something that can provide variables or key-value pairs on an application level? Apr 03 08:11:54 Or do I need to pass the data from one activity to the other each time I want to do activity-activity communication? Apr 03 08:19:31 Rashad - you can extend android.app.Application or use singletons or just use a separate class: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1944656/android-global-variable?lq=1 Apr 03 08:20:49 Thanks. Apr 03 08:27:56 ploops Apr 03 08:46:11 I had my fragments, added to backstack, and everything was working fine. Now the back button no longer brings the backstack fragments but exits the app. I have no idea what caused the change. Any tips? Apr 03 08:52:49 my sync adapter works really weird anyone here experienced ?, i need to get a summary what happened in sync, for example if it runs really close time to each sync request, even if it updated 10 rows in db counter returns me 20 Apr 03 08:53:34 i already clear preferences of that count before every sync request and write to prefs after sync is done Apr 03 08:58:02 hello i recently switched to android studio (to try it) however my app no longer looks the same (in one of my views at least) this is using the view getting included is a custom view and has some parameters on it. however it appear that the view is NOT using the parameters when in "include" it acts as the default view without any parameters on it .when in eclipse it works as expected Apr 03 08:59:12 so many questions Apr 03 08:59:26 it's 3am here in montana...probably not a lot of US people awake, sorry Apr 03 09:01:27 xml here: http://pastebin.com/DKEzd2cJ Apr 03 09:01:56 myke: such is life nothing that can be done about that Apr 03 09:02:41 fanno: not until we get new physics! Apr 03 09:03:03 myke: hehe you might need to go to anothe runiverse for that =P Apr 03 09:03:31 maybe, we don't know that Apr 03 09:04:11 funny thing is if i do not use include and add the view directly it works as expected but i use include because the main view is always the same but only the one included changes depending on phone layout Apr 03 09:17:14 i'm still using eclipse Apr 03 09:42:04 danijoo: Apr 03 09:44:01 I have found the solution to my previous problem. I was going for API 11, so I had to use getSupportFragmentManager and had to change all my fragments to android.support.v4.app.Fragment s. Apr 03 09:50:18 sci-fic, Apr 03 09:58:58 Hi people i have a question regarding error messages Apr 03 10:01:06 Firstly i have a lot of input fields that the user is required to fill out during registration. These messages are validated during input and apear as red and a corresponding error message when the user has filled out something wrong. Apr 03 10:03:44 Then when the user presses continue (the user can choose to do so whenever he wants to) i have a method parsing this input to JSON that later will be sent to an API. The JSON parsin method will throw and exception when the user is missing input or have inputted a correct value. I then want to display an error message to the user in a dialog. conatining information regarding what went wrong. At the current stage i attach a user rea Apr 03 10:03:44 dable message to the exception message and this works fine but i can help but think that maybe an exception message shouldnt be readable for the user but instead should be something for my loggs Apr 03 10:04:09 Is user readable exception messages bad practice? Apr 03 10:08:22 i would say it is bad practice indeed Apr 03 10:09:15 Do you have a suggestion to how i should do it instead? Apr 03 10:09:24 Error codes perhaps? Apr 03 10:09:39 they appear red right? Apr 03 10:09:53 also you may disable buttons as long as something is wrong Apr 03 10:10:33 Yeah but this checking is done before the continue button is pressed. The exceptions are thrown is the user preemtively presses continue and should inform the user of where the fields are still red Apr 03 10:11:09 A problem with disabling it is that the user might not understand what is wrong and just get frustrated Apr 03 10:11:23 i really want to just display a dialog telling the user what is wrong Apr 03 10:11:45 so do it Apr 03 10:11:58 if its readable Apr 03 10:12:54 Yeah but how will i know what is wrong unless i throw an exception in the continue method with a user readable message. Since people have claimed user readable exceptions are bad practice how should i do it otherwise? Apr 03 10:13:29 so dont let the continue happen Apr 03 10:13:57 But then when should i display the dialog? Apr 03 10:14:56 My question is more about how exception handling should work when you want to display a desciptive message to the user Apr 03 10:15:14 oh Apr 03 10:15:41