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Apr 06 03:01:25 <lasserix> onattach
Apr 06 03:07:55 <JFlash> dialog, don't know
Apr 06 03:08:13 <JFlash> in a viewholder you can use view.getContext()
Apr 06 03:08:19 <JFlash> ttyl
Apr 06 03:23:34 <t2mkn> i need note edge emulator
Apr 06 03:42:51 <duncannz> is there a performance loss when calling getIntent() lots of times inline rather than assigning it to a variable?
Apr 06 03:45:06 <JakeWharton> not enough to matter
Apr 06 03:48:49 <t0astt> I need to edit a "R.raw.notices" file (https://github.com/PSDev/LicensesDialog/blob/master/sample/res/raw/notices.xml), however I can't find it in my project. Where would it be? I've tried making a raw directory in res and putting notices.xml in there, but I get errors on the <notices> tag. Ideas?
Apr 06 03:54:55 <phix> hey, can I test if an account exists and credentials are valid without bringing up the login activity?
Apr 06 04:29:56 <lasserix> I am in the habit of doing things like if (someVariable > someOtherVariable) doSomeFunction(); as opposed to if (someVaraible > someOtherVariable { \n doSomeFunction(); \n } because it makes me easier to go through my code. But when working with other people, should I typically always expand things out?
Apr 06 04:30:48 <lasserix> Ie the same thing for like setters if I get them on one line, i do. But since this is a bit unorthodox, just wondering if it is better to do standard, with more vertical space
Apr 06 04:32:47 <CedricBeust> On Android, the standard is that if the statement fits on the same line (<100 characters) then you can put it on the same line without braces
Apr 06 04:32:56 <CedricBeust> On Java in general, this is a bit frowned upon
Apr 06 04:34:06 <CedricBeust> We had a lot of discussions about that rule but the exception won because of log statements
Apr 06 04:36:11 <lasserix> ahh thanks
Apr 06 04:36:14 <lasserix> what about setters?
Apr 06 04:40:01 <lasserix> for instance something like:     public void setAbsoluteOrientationChangedCallback(AbsoluteOrientationChangedCallback c) { callback = c; }
Apr 06 04:40:35 <lasserix> or something like:     @Override public void enable() { if (!enabled) super.enable(); enabled = true; }
Apr 06 04:40:52 <lasserix> should I not do this, and instead expand them vertically?
Apr 06 04:42:23 <CedricBeust> It's a bit unorthodox but I wouldn't mind it. IDEA folds these like this already
Apr 06 04:42:39 <CedricBeust> Bottom line, if it's your project, it's fine. If it's somebody else's, use their conventions
Apr 06 04:43:06 <JakeWharton> i do single line for logs, throws, and early returns
Apr 06 04:43:22 <JakeWharton> and usually only at the extremes of the block (beginning or end)
Apr 06 04:44:15 <CedricBeust> I have tried hard to get Brian to put properties on the table for Java 9 but failed once again
Apr 06 04:45:05 <CedricBeust> In Kotlin, "data class User(val firstName: String, val lastName: String)" and you move on with life
Apr 06 04:45:45 <g00s> i think java 9 has huge changes coming with jigsaw
Apr 06 04:45:50 <g00s> maybe they have their hands full :)
Apr 06 04:46:01 <CedricBeust> Yes they certainly do
Apr 06 04:46:21 <CedricBeust> but properties are the cause for so much boiler plate
Apr 06 04:46:26 <CedricBeust> even more than lambdas I'd say
Apr 06 04:46:34 <CedricBeust> (although that might be rapidly changing with the rise of Rx)
Apr 06 04:47:13 <gordon_> hope jigsaw will come this time
Apr 06 04:47:30 <CedricBeust> They've crossed the point of no return for that
Apr 06 04:47:38 <gordon_> good :)
Apr 06 04:48:08 <gordon_> maybe now application start will be fast
Apr 06 04:48:34 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 06 04:48:46 <CedricBeust> Application start up time is yet another thing that's at the bottom of my concerns (both for Java and Android) compared to getters/setters
Apr 06 04:49:17 <gordon_> well there's scala and kotlin ;)
Apr 06 04:49:27 <gordon_> *there are
Apr 06 04:49:41 <CedricBeust> So just Kotlin :)
Apr 06 04:49:50 <gordon_> haha
Apr 06 04:50:03 <gordon_> scala is not bad either
Apr 06 04:50:35 <CedricBeust> I like Scala the same way I used to like C++: for intellectual pursuits. I don't think it has much practical value nor future beyond that
Apr 06 04:51:44 <gordon_> I love those random android errors why do I get this "Fatal Exception: android.view.InflateException" ? I would get it if it would be every time but.. is it memory related ?
Apr 06 04:51:57 <JakeWharton> look at the cause
Apr 06 04:52:26 <JakeWharton> i highly doubt it's truly random
Apr 06 04:53:13 <g00s> CedricBeust JakeWharton have you guys ever evaluated google tag manager for your apps ?
Apr 06 04:53:18 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 06 04:53:22 <JakeWharton> isn't that the feature flag thing?
Apr 06 04:53:30 <CedricBeust> No, but it's interesting
Apr 06 04:53:35 <g00s> its got that, yeah - and some other stuff
Apr 06 04:53:44 <CedricBeust> I'm puzzled it seems to be multiple things: A/B testing, marketing, etc...
Apr 06 04:53:45 <JakeWharton> like what?
Apr 06 04:53:49 <CedricBeust> and I think the doc oversells it
Apr 06 04:53:58 <CedricBeust> and I think the doc oversells it
Apr 06 04:54:10 <CedricBeust> "Ship your app and then you can modify them without having to ship a new version"... yeah right
Apr 06 04:54:17 <JakeWharton> https://support.google.com/tagmanager/answer/6102821?hl=en
Apr 06 04:54:33 <g00s> its - kinda confusing. at first, i thought it replaced GA - because they said you just throw events at the TM dataLayer and have macros hit GA
Apr 06 04:54:41 <gordon_> JakeWharton: Caused by java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException => Caused by android.view.InflateException => Caused by java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException => Caused by java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
Apr 06 04:54:48 <JakeWharton> we have feature flags, a/b, etc. as first-party things in our private API for normal user things
Apr 06 04:54:54 <CedricBeust> g00s: Yeah this confuses me as well
Apr 06 04:55:07 <CedricBeust> Most big companies implement all this themselves but I can see the interest for smaller developers
Apr 06 04:55:12 <JakeWharton> gordon_: that means your app was low on memory and inflating a layout just happened to be the straw that broke your processes back
Apr 06 04:55:42 <JakeWharton> the wrapping exceptions of an OOM are almost never to blame
Apr 06 04:56:03 <JakeWharton> they're just the sucker that was in the wrong place at the wrong time
Apr 06 04:56:43 <gordon_> JakeWharton: thanks for explaining. I though it was about memory.
Apr 06 04:57:01 <JakeWharton> i mean it is, it's just not the fault of the person inflating that view
Apr 06 04:57:38 <CedricBeust> It's like a relay race where the last runner always gets blamed for the loss
Apr 06 04:57:40 <gordon_> I think it's because there are too many pictures on the view
Apr 06 04:58:47 <gordon_> anyone from Japan here ? and going to Java Days on wednesday ?
Apr 06 04:59:36 <thepoosh> OOMs suck
Apr 06 04:59:39 <phix> Is it possible to merge two preferences into one screen?
Apr 06 04:59:45 <g00s> thepoosh !
Apr 06 04:59:49 <thepoosh> g00s: !
Apr 06 05:00:01 <thepoosh> sup mate?
Apr 06 05:00:02 <phix> One of the libraries I depend on has a preferences file (it is in a different application package / context)
Apr 06 05:00:04 <g00s> thepoosh Q; do you guys use straight up GA apis, or google tag manager -> GA ?
Apr 06 05:00:08 <phix> thepoosh: G'day
Apr 06 05:00:23 <thepoosh> we just reintroduced ga into the app
Apr 06 05:00:33 <thepoosh> for now it's just session tracking
Apr 06 05:00:46 <g00s> ok - so no tag manager
Apr 06 05:01:09 <thepoosh> no
Apr 06 05:01:41 <g00s> thepoosh ughhh , do you know the difference between google analytics and universal analytics ?
Apr 06 05:01:48 <thepoosh> nope
Apr 06 05:01:59 <g00s> i think i'm caught in 3 years worth of google product marketing spin
Apr 06 05:02:04 <thepoosh> i remember that GA allow attributes to events
Apr 06 05:02:26 <thepoosh> is this your project?
Apr 06 05:02:34 <g00s> yes
Apr 06 05:03:03 <thepoosh> :S
Apr 06 05:03:05 <g00s> the decision i was trying to make, was use the plain GA apis for android, or use the tag manager apis (for android)... i wasn't sure if one was replacing the other
Apr 06 05:03:25 <g00s> tag manager is 2013 ... i dont hear much about it O.o
Apr 06 05:04:10 <g00s> the web configuration looked quite onerous though
Apr 06 05:39:29 <thepoosh> i hate annoying UI polishes made by anal designers
Apr 06 05:41:29 <whatitis> examples? i suck at UI
Apr 06 05:43:12 <gordon_> http://www.materialup.com/
Apr 06 05:43:15 <thepoosh> i am now going over tickets that were opened by qa and graphics dept.
Apr 06 06:01:08 <g00s> thepoosh in your GA events, what did you use for category - the name of the screen the event happened on, or something else ?
Apr 06 06:01:38 <thepoosh> not doing GA events, just custom analytics events and appboy events
Apr 06 06:02:22 <g00s> i'd really like to see a blog on best practices implementing GA in android - my google fu did not turn up that much :(
Apr 06 06:02:49 <g00s> the best i found was http://cogitas.net/blog/2015/03/27/the-analytics-checklist-what-to-measure-and-look-for/ ... but no code, mostly ideas
Apr 06 06:03:18 <theGraeme> https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/gajs/eventTrackerGuide#Categories
Apr 06 06:03:45 <theGraeme> in the example, they grouped the category by "videos", or "music videos"
Apr 06 06:03:59 <g00s> yeah, saw that.
Apr 06 06:04:01 <g00s> thanks
Apr 06 06:04:14 <g00s> in iosched they used the screen name for category
Apr 06 06:04:20 <theGraeme> Make your category something logical to your app's raison d'etre
Apr 06 06:04:58 <g00s> i think where i am getting confused, is whether to use "X" as a category, or custom dimension
Apr 06 06:06:23 <t2mkn> any emulator available for note edge device?
Apr 06 06:07:28 <g00s> theGraeme my qualm with their schema category/label/value thing is that i feel it should just be a UUID & value, which are then mapped to a hierarchy of events in some web interface.
Apr 06 06:07:40 <g00s> rather than codifying the hierarchy in the event itself, in the android code
Apr 06 06:07:46 <iprime> t2mkn, you can use the remote testing lab
Apr 06 06:08:14 <iprime> g00s, still dealing with ga?
Apr 06 06:08:38 <t2mkn> iprime: ya, but m looking for a netive one. need to do a lot of testing.
Apr 06 06:08:44 <g00s> theGraeme and naturally, the hierarchy should be arbitrarily deep / complex rather than cat / label  / value
Apr 06 06:08:59 <g00s> iprime hm .. yeah
Apr 06 06:10:12 <iprime> t2mkn, oh, i don't think there would ever be a native one
Apr 06 06:10:25 <iprime> t2mkn, are you developing something that makes particular use of the edges?
Apr 06 06:10:59 <t2mkn> iprime: yes, and my existing app can serve to that too. need to update.
Apr 06 06:11:32 <iprime> well, unfortunately your best option is to get the device
Apr 06 06:11:44 <t2mkn> iprime: new edge users are asking me a lot to support that edge.
Apr 06 06:11:44 <iprime> if you got connections with samsung they can borrow you one, they do that for selected folks :)
Apr 06 06:11:53 <iprime> t2mkn, what does your app do?
Apr 06 06:12:37 <theGraeme> just checked our code - we're not even using events yet, just App / Screen tracking
Apr 06 06:12:50 <t2mkn> iprime: existing one which need update, just turs your device off :)
Apr 06 06:13:05 <g00s> theGraeme did you use automatic or manual tracking ?
Apr 06 06:14:12 <g00s> in other words , <bool name="ga_autoActivityTracking">true</bool> ?
Apr 06 06:14:23 <t2mkn> iprime: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iglint.android.screenlockpro
Apr 06 06:15:17 <theGraeme> looks like manual
Apr 06 06:16:23 <iprime> t2mkn, looks pretty neat
Apr 06 06:16:27 <g00s> theGraeme ok, thanks -what was your strategy for timing tracker.send() ... oncreate, onstart, activity, fragment ?
Apr 06 06:16:47 <t2mkn> iprime: thanks.
Apr 06 06:16:52 <theGraeme> onResume
Apr 06 06:16:56 <g00s> handling rotation changes & multiple hits, etc
Apr 06 06:17:13 <iprime> t2mkn, someone at the office here will be getting the new edge, we'll try your app
Apr 06 06:17:54 <theGraeme> oh, and in the activity, not the fragment
Apr 06 06:18:09 <g00s> theGraeme ok thanks
Apr 06 06:18:18 <theGraeme> np
Apr 06 06:18:23 <g00s> i noticed in iosched they did onCreate
Apr 06 06:18:45 <t2mkn> iprime: ys seour, free one is available also. but right now, its not working for new edge system. let me know if widget and shortcut are working at home screen.
Apr 06 06:19:39 <iprime> t2mkn, well, whenever we can get hold of one, not available here yet
Apr 06 06:19:51 <iprime> there are only so many apps for the edges
Apr 06 06:20:42 <t2mkn> iprime: any time, any day, any help is appreciated.
Apr 06 06:28:39 <theGraeme> with regards to your point about event categories:  I just checked our GA web console, and see that the graph can be filtered by category / action / label.
Apr 06 06:29:53 <theGraeme> maybe their decision to support just those parts of an event was a way to keep complexity down in the web console
Apr 06 06:30:04 <g00s> yeah
Apr 06 06:30:15 <g00s> and then they came up with tag manager lol
Apr 06 06:30:36 <g00s> theGraeme do you guys use TGM ?
Apr 06 06:30:40 <g00s> oops, GTM
Apr 06 06:31:10 <theGraeme> No.  I looked into it briefly earlier, but I'm not clear on what it's for
Apr 06 06:31:30 <g00s> lol, i was like man thats ... super general / abstract / confusing
Apr 06 06:31:39 <theGraeme> haha same
Apr 06 06:32:33 <g00s> i even watched 2 hours of videos on it, it looks pretty powerful - but i alreasy have so many questions doing the simplest thing with GAV4
Apr 06 06:33:20 <g00s> more along the lines of designing good questions and metric to answer those questions
Apr 06 06:34:40 <g00s> theGraeme thanks for helping me out
Apr 06 06:34:50 <theGraeme> np
Apr 06 06:37:42 <theGraeme> g00s, check out this blog post:  http://dandar3.blogspot.ca/2013/03/google-analytics-easytracker-detailed.html
Apr 06 06:38:20 <theGraeme> overrides the default 100-character description of a GA exception, so you can get the full stacktrace
Apr 06 06:39:35 <g00s> theGraeme ah thanks. the one other question i can't find an answer to - if i have a service in the background sending events, do I need (1) two properties - one for UI, one for service or (2) just use non-interactive events
Apr 06 06:39:53 <theGraeme> not exactly necessary, but very handy when you start seeing exceptions coming in from the wild
Apr 06 06:40:35 <theGraeme> you could do either, I think.  I saw something about multiple-tracker implementations on the GA site
Apr 06 06:42:10 <g00s> yeah the advanced config section has multiple trackers, but i don't know if using one for UI , another for service is misusing that
Apr 06 06:42:26 <theGraeme> Keep it simple at first
Apr 06 06:43:12 <g00s> sure - but i wonder if the stats will get messed up if the user isn't interacting with the UI but the service is sending events
Apr 06 06:44:24 <theGraeme> that's the thing with Analytics, it's wide-open how you can use it.  I'd say just be selective about what actions are event-worthy!
Apr 06 06:45:02 <g00s> when the bluetooth device returns an error code, i'd like to pass that on ...
Apr 06 06:45:10 <g00s> it could be connected for hours
Apr 06 06:46:19 <theGraeme> ah, yeah, I see.  That's really less of an "event", and more of a "state"
Apr 06 06:48:12 <g00s> theGraeme ah, k which leads me to next question about state / event. i'd like to know on average, how many of these bluetooth devices a user connects to. so once they discover them and add them to the UI, its a counter basically. whats the best way to represent that with GA ?
Apr 06 06:49:09 <g00s> maybe its an event , with a value being the total at that time ?
Apr 06 06:49:18 <g00s> hmm
Apr 06 06:49:30 <theGraeme> That could generate a lot of noise.  So maybe instead, send events for whatever action the user takes to resolve the issue when bluetooth disconnects.  If they did nothing because they weren't actively using it at the time, no event...
Apr 06 06:50:13 <g00s> well its to help be debug weird device behavior in the field. i guess it would be a 'caught exception' kind of thing
Apr 06 06:51:06 <g00s> the state machine recycles the connection to the device when an error hitCounter reaches a threshold
Apr 06 06:51:33 <theGraeme> yeah counter, we're not doing.
Apr 06 06:52:37 <theGraeme> but sounds like that counter would be central to your app, and not specific to the GA tracker itself.
Apr 06 06:53:38 <Atom138>  Is it possible to get a verizon note 3 working on tmobile?
Apr 06 06:53:46 <g00s> yes, this is the behavior without GA - the bluetooth code takes care of itself, but i would like to see if some model phone gives more GATT errors than others
Apr 06 06:54:01 <Atom138> Verizon says its impossible but it has a sim card slot and im roetty sure its possible
Apr 06 06:54:13 <g00s> Atom138 off topic for here, ask verizon or tmobile
Apr 06 06:54:16 <g00s> see topic
Apr 06 06:54:38 <Atom138> oops sorry
Apr 06 07:00:06 <McJuicy> g00s what kinda of work do you do?
Apr 06 07:00:16 <McJuicy> always see you around and I'm just wondering
Apr 06 07:00:28 <g00s> i work on my own projects
Apr 06 07:00:44 <g00s> this involves bluetooth data acquisition
Apr 06 07:00:53 <McJuicy> very cool
Apr 06 07:03:04 <g00s> theGraeme that link you sent earlier uses EasyTracker - i thought that was deprecated though
Apr 06 07:03:10 <g00s> http://dandar3.blogspot.ca/2013/03/google-analytics-easytracker-detailed.html
Apr 06 07:04:08 <g00s> ah doesn't matter i guess "public class AnalyticsExceptionParser implements ExceptionParser" would be the same regardless
Apr 06 07:04:37 <theGraeme> lol I was just about to say exactly that.  :)
Apr 06 07:04:53 <g00s> :D
Apr 06 07:06:57 <g00s> theGraeme do you think its better to let Play handle the uncaught exceptions?
Apr 06 07:07:10 <g00s> what do we gain by having it in GA over Play ?
Apr 06 07:07:58 <theGraeme> oh man, the exception reporting in GA is my favourite thing.
Apr 06 07:08:11 <theGraeme> The client likes the screen views, I like the crash reporting.
Apr 06 07:13:27 <sci-fic> guys anyone has a source code about actionbar with searchview ?
Apr 06 07:13:44 <sci-fic> i tried a lot of things on the internet,i got different errors
Apr 06 07:13:51 <sci-fic> i couldnt run this
Apr 06 07:15:10 <g00s> theGraeme do you think its weird that HitBuilders.Hitbuilder doesn't have setScreen() ? actually a few examples show setting the screen on the hitbuilder, not the tracker
Apr 06 07:15:31 <g00s> not sure if that a doc bug or GAV4 bug
Apr 06 07:17:54 <theGraeme> what about HitBuilders.ScreenViewBuilder?
Apr 06 07:18:09 <theGraeme> it extends HitBuilder
Apr 06 07:18:46 <theGraeme> we're not using it, btw.  We use MapBuilder.createAppView()
Apr 06 07:21:13 <g00s> theGraeme here https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/analytics/HitBuilders.html
Apr 06 07:21:28 <g00s> "You can override a value set on the tracker by adding it to the map."
Apr 06 07:21:46 <g00s> t.send(new HitBuilders.EventBuilder()
Apr 06 07:21:46 <g00s>          .setScreenName("Popup Screen") <-- this is not valid
Apr 06 07:22:28 <g00s> AppViewBuilder was deprecated btw
Apr 06 07:25:55 <theGraeme> ah, I didn't realize version 4 was out.  We're still on version 3.
Apr 06 07:26:12 <devuser> hi, i use setTextAppearance(mContext, R.style.twitter) i a textview and it does'nt work
Apr 06 07:26:52 <devuser> first i use a custom textview.. but i try normal textview and it doesn't work :(
Apr 06 07:33:19 <min2> Hello
Apr 06 07:33:45 <min2> Can anyone suggest me the good library to perform CRUD operations on System calandar through my App
Apr 06 07:34:03 <iprime> min2, what min sdk do you want to support
Apr 06 07:34:42 <min2> 4.0
Apr 06 07:34:48 <min2> 4.0>=
Apr 06 07:36:18 <iprime> oh, then there's good-ish consolidated support for it, i'd use the system apis, but there might be a lib
Apr 06 07:37:29 <min2> yes
Apr 06 07:38:03 <min2> and must be opensource.. I am not able to find it
Apr 06 07:40:09 <iprime> min2, have you tried the system apis?
Apr 06 07:40:43 <theGraeme> min2:  Calendar Intents can do that without needing a 3rd party lib - http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/calendar-provider.html#intents
Apr 06 07:41:48 <iprime> theGraeme, not just intents, there's a provider, you can query the db direclty
Apr 06 07:41:57 <iprime> or do inserts/updates
Apr 06 07:42:06 <iprime> dependsd on what he wants to do
Apr 06 07:42:18 <iprime> the bigger problem with calendars is that you can have multiple independent calendars
Apr 06 07:42:46 <g00s> contacts and calendar providers are ... complicated
Apr 06 07:43:13 <iprime> wellp
Apr 06 07:44:05 <g00s> when i read over the code in AOSP for the providers, my reaction was mostly http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ff/ffa298071a0a136ab322cc1bffa56b660c52bcf5a3dd587f88e969e1e84fffe5.jpg
Apr 06 07:44:41 <iprime> lol g00s
Apr 06 07:46:18 <iprime> min2, btw, why does it have to be open source, what's wrong with paying for a lib that will save you time and effort
Apr 06 07:47:54 <theGraeme> calendar intents are way simpler than going with the content provider.   Depends how much min2's app needs to do with that calendar info.
Apr 06 07:49:33 <theGraeme> here's a good blog post with the pros/cons of each:  https://www.grokkingandroid.com/intents-of-androids-calendar-app/
Apr 06 07:53:44 <iprime> you can't use calendar intents to read cal data
Apr 06 07:54:33 <iprime> but well, at least he targets 4.0, it can get messy if you need to support 2 and 4
Apr 06 08:05:51 <claint> I am trying to find a clean way to queue some of my retrofit requests in order. Anyone have any ideas?
Apr 06 08:06:25 <claint> That is, some requests are dependant on other requests completing first, and that kind of thing.
Apr 06 08:14:26 <juanvallejo> Need some help with a custom adapter for a listview in my app
Apr 06 08:15:26 <iprime> claint, are you calling them sync or async?
Apr 06 08:23:23 <claint> async, at the time.
Apr 06 08:47:06 <claint> meh, I lost connection.
Apr 06 08:47:21 <claint> did I get an answer from you iprime?
Apr 06 08:48:30 <iprime> i'm not too familiar with retrofit, but generally why not execute them sync sequentially
Apr 06 08:48:39 <iprime> use an executor service maybe
Apr 06 08:48:45 <iprime> there could be a retrofit way, idk
Apr 06 08:49:34 <min2> Sorry guyz for late reply but thanks for the information
Apr 06 08:50:11 <min2> So we dont have any library
Apr 06 08:50:26 <iprime> @claint
Apr 06 08:53:30 <claint> iprime: thanks for the tip.
Apr 06 08:54:51 <ivali> hello. how come google hasn't released the binary images for nexus 4 with android 5.1, but i can see them in the repo https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/mako/
Apr 06 08:55:47 <helicopter176> ivali, this channel is for app development
Apr 06 08:56:39 <cristian_c> Hello, I've written an app. i've built it and I've installed and executed
Apr 06 08:57:11 <cristian_c> it doesn't crash, but it doesn't work as I expect
Apr 06 08:57:17 <helicopter176> logcat
Apr 06 08:57:24 <cristian_c> helicopter176, i've tried logcat
Apr 06 08:57:44 <cristian_c> I see only some interesting messages
Apr 06 08:57:57 <bankai_> what do you expect? what actually happened? what does it do?
Apr 06 08:58:01 <thepoosh> cristian_c: http://imgur.com/jacoj
Apr 06 08:58:23 <Napalm> ivali: probably because its not ready
Apr 06 08:58:30 <cristian_c> bankai_, when I click on the button, I should see some messages in a textview
Apr 06 08:58:50 <thepoosh> cristian_c: is it a crash or just your code not working?
Apr 06 08:58:50 <bankai_> set a breakpoint somewhere, see if your code is firing
Apr 06 08:59:13 <thepoosh> put a log like Log.e("thepoosh", "I'm here");
Apr 06 08:59:21 <thepoosh> at the starting point of your code
Apr 06 08:59:41 <cristian_c> I/qtaguid (  372): Failed write_ctrl(s 1 10077) res=-1 errno=1
Apr 06 08:59:42 <cristian_c> W/NetworkManagementSocketTagger(  372): setKernelCountSet(10077, 1) failed with errno -1
Apr 06 08:59:50 <cristian_c> thepoosh, no no, no crashes
Apr 06 09:00:03 <cristian_c> <cristian_c> it doesn't crash, but it doesn't work as I expect
Apr 06 09:00:03 <helicopter176> that's not something coming from your app
Apr 06 09:00:21 <thepoosh> you need to filter by your packagename
Apr 06 09:00:49 <cristian_c> I/ActivityManager(  372): Start proc com.example.unmountusb for activity com.example.unmountusb/.UnmountUsbAppActivity: pid=2324 uid=10080 gids={50080, 1015, 1028}
Apr 06 09:01:21 <cristian_c> helicopter176, I've thought so, but the pid is the same
Apr 06 09:01:32 <bankai_> set breakpoints
Apr 06 09:01:56 <cristian_c> bankai_, can I use a debugger?
Apr 06 09:02:00 <cristian_c> for android apps
Apr 06 09:02:06 <bankai_> of course
Apr 06 09:02:14 <cristian_c> I make a search
Apr 06 09:02:54 <cristian_c> thepoosh, I can try also with Log.e but I think I've to import some libraries
Apr 06 09:03:01 <cristian_c> I'll try both
Apr 06 09:03:06 <thepoosh> go for it!
Apr 06 09:03:10 <cristian_c> ok
Apr 06 09:03:27 <cristian_c> thnaks for the tips, thepoosh bankai_
Apr 06 09:03:44 <thepoosh> np, when things don't work the first thing to do is debug!
Apr 06 09:03:49 <thepoosh> then go to stackoverflow
Apr 06 09:03:52 <thepoosh> then google
Apr 06 09:03:53 <thepoosh> then here
Apr 06 09:04:11 <cristian_c> I'm not subscribed to stackoverflow
Apr 06 09:04:36 <thepoosh> now is the time to subscribe (also, you don;t need to be subscribed to the service in order to read there)
Apr 06 09:04:43 <cristian_c> I've made some search for those error messages, anyway
Apr 06 09:05:00 <cristian_c> I'll try to debug by method you have suggested
Apr 06 09:05:10 <cristian_c> thepoosh, ah, ok
Apr 06 09:05:27 <cristian_c> I meant subscription
Apr 06 09:29:35 <s9iper1> where can i find CLIENT_SECRET on developer console ?
Apr 06 09:43:08 <thepoosh> s9iper1: i copy-pasted your question to google
Apr 06 09:43:09 <thepoosh> https://developers.google.com/api-client-library/python/guide/aaa_client_secrets
Apr 06 09:43:33 <thepoosh> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11295661/google-apis-console-missing-client-secret
Apr 06 10:02:21 <pinPoint> i'm curious about android blobs. Can anyone explain this for me. "This is a user build of Android 5.1 AOSP with 5.0.1 blobs,"
Apr 06 10:02:48 <pinPoint> this was for nexus 7 2013 which got 5.0.1 as the last update
Apr 06 10:23:21 <AGPX> Hi all. I have a question about the BackupAgent. I have followed the development guide and I have implemented my BackupAgent (not using the helper). If I force a backup through the adb bmgr, the backup is completed successfully. Also, the restore works (both manually and when the application is removed and reinstalled). However there's a think that doesn't works. When I change data in my application (and I have invoked 
Apr 06 10:23:54 <AGPX> think=thing*
Apr 06 10:24:56 <AGPX> I mean, when one try to remove an application, Android shouldn't try to execute a backup (especially if it was requested)?
Apr 06 10:31:41 <glambert> Hi, I'm trying to make a simple barcode scannering using the zxing library and when a barcode has been scanned, post the value to a script on my server.  the scanning etc. is going fine but whenever my app reaches the httppost it crashes?
Apr 06 10:31:55 <glambert> can someone take a look at my code please? http://pastebin.com/sdNGmSDj
Apr 06 10:32:34 <iprime> crashes why? pull the log..:)
Apr 06 10:32:52 <glambert> iprime: where from?  I've never done this before
Apr 06 10:33:05 <iprime> from the android logcat
Apr 06 10:33:09 <iprime> what's your IDE
Apr 06 10:33:16 <glambert> android studio
Apr 06 10:33:48 <iprime> it probably crashes becauuse you're doing networking on the main thread
Apr 06 10:34:08 <iprime> try to do your networking asynchronously (e.g. using async task)
Apr 06 10:34:14 <glambert> I thought that was OK providing you're happy for the app to hang until it completes?
Apr 06 10:34:23 <iprime> not ok in higher android versions
Apr 06 10:34:35 <iprime> it would work in android 2 i think
Apr 06 10:34:37 <glambert> ah
Apr 06 10:34:57 <glambert> ok I can do it via asynctask
Apr 06 10:54:06 <glambert> iprime: still crashing :-(
Apr 06 10:55:32 <glambert> iprime: http://pastebin.com/5KdLy9xZ
Apr 06 10:55:50 <glambert> added a progress bar and that flashes up just as the crash notification comes up
Apr 06 10:56:16 <iprime> at the bottom left of your Android studio there is an Android button
Apr 06 10:56:20 <iprime> that's how you show the logcat
Apr 06 10:56:26 <iprime> check and see if it shows why it's crashing
Apr 06 10:57:23 <sci-fic> guys how can i filter a gridview's list adapter? im using searchview
Apr 06 10:57:51 <thepoosh> sci-fic: the adapter can implement FIlterable
Apr 06 10:58:25 <glambert> iprime: do I have to have my phone connected or somethign?
Apr 06 10:58:47 <iprime> sure, also it has to have debugging enablede
Apr 06 10:58:57 <glambert> I see
Apr 06 10:59:02 <glambert> I'll see if I can find a cable
Apr 06 10:59:10 <iprime> oh
Apr 06 10:59:16 <iprime> use an emulator then
Apr 06 10:59:26 <iprime> genymotion
Apr 06 10:59:50 <glambert> is it better to get a cable?  How would an emulator scan a barcode?
Apr 06 11:00:33 <iprime> you can just start your networking method with a random string
Apr 06 11:11:11 <sci-fic> thepoosh:i have a lot of problems,do i have to handle all things one by one ? eg bringing old list back when searchview is closed or back button pressed ?
Apr 06 11:11:59 <thepoosh> look at SimpleListAdapter or ArrayAdapter's implementation
Apr 06 11:12:02 <thepoosh> it's very good
Apr 06 11:12:37 <thepoosh> http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/5.0.2_r1/android/widget/ArrayAdapter.java#ArrayAdapter.ArrayFilter
Apr 06 11:13:03 <sci-fic> i shouldnt use baseadapter then ?
Apr 06 11:13:49 <thepoosh> that is NOT what I said
Apr 06 11:14:02 <thepoosh> the implementation of the Filter is what you should be looking at
Apr 06 11:14:06 <thepoosh> it's simple
Apr 06 11:14:10 <thepoosh> and understandable
Apr 06 11:14:12 <sci-fic> ok this is what i do http://paste.ubuntu.com/10749325/
Apr 06 11:17:46 <glambert> iprime: argh
Apr 06 11:17:47 <glambert> found it
Apr 06 11:17:55 <iprime> what was it?
Apr 06 11:18:12 <iprime> a NPE?
Apr 06 11:18:15 <thepoosh> sci-fic: because you overwrite contacts in your publishResult you'll have an issue when someone clears the search
Apr 06 11:18:20 <thepoosh> you need 2 lists
Apr 06 11:18:23 <glambert> missing internet permission -_-
Apr 06 11:18:56 <thepoosh> omg
Apr 06 11:18:58 <thepoosh> omfg!
Apr 06 11:19:02 <thepoosh> that is annoying
Apr 06 11:19:11 <iprime> :)
Apr 06 11:19:18 <thepoosh> you can see it in the logs though
Apr 06 11:22:15 <iprime> glambert, i sometimes forget that for new projects
Apr 06 11:22:35 <glambert> iprime: :-)
Apr 06 11:22:47 <glambert> next problem.. it's done the post but then crashed :-(
Apr 06 11:22:50 <glambert> debug time again
Apr 06 11:23:15 <iprime> oh at least you got a crash
Apr 06 11:25:10 <glambert> java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't create handler inside thread that has not called Looper.prepare()
Apr 06 11:26:10 <iprime> you're trying to do a main thread job on another thread
Apr 06 11:26:21 <iprime> i'm guessing it's your toasts
Apr 06 11:26:35 <glambert> yeah I was thinking the same thing
Apr 06 11:26:37 <glambert> irritating
Apr 06 11:26:40 <iprime> use Log.e and check your logcat
Apr 06 11:26:55 <glambert> how would you go about returning whether or not the post was successful or not to the main thread then?
Apr 06 11:27:00 <iprime> oh but you do
Apr 06 11:27:24 <iprime> return your result in onPostExecute
Apr 06 11:27:47 <glambert> ok
Apr 06 11:27:50 <iprime> return postData(params[0]) etc
Apr 06 11:28:07 <iprime> you might want to check rxjava
Apr 06 11:28:23 <iprime> as your app gets more complicated async task gets more annoying... :)
Apr 06 11:28:58 <glambert> iprime: thanks
Apr 06 11:29:21 <glambert> how do I assign new sendScanResult().execute(re) to a string?
Apr 06 11:29:30 <glambert> Java isn't really my "native" language if you like
Apr 06 11:30:07 <iprime>  AsyncTask<String, Integer, Double> use String as the third parameter
Apr 06 11:30:44 <glambert> yeah changed that
Apr 06 11:30:49 <glambert>              String sendResult = new sendScanResult().execute(re);
Apr 06 11:30:49 <iprime> doInBackground, return postData(params[0]), of course make postData return a string (your result), remove all toasts from post data and chagne onPostExecute to onPostExecute(String result)
Apr 06 11:30:59 <iprime> in onPostExecute you'll be on the main thread
Apr 06 11:31:05 <iprime> what's your native language then?
Apr 06 11:32:35 <glambert> most of my development experience is either web based or with nodejs
Apr 06 11:32:45 <glambert> and backend web development with PHP
Apr 06 11:32:49 <iprime> oh, interesting, what do you usually do with nodejs?
Apr 06 11:33:01 <glambert> currently working on a scraper
Apr 06 12:37:31 <ruukasu> is it safe to send logcat logs to someone?
Apr 06 12:37:38 <ruukasu> could it contain personal information?
Apr 06 12:38:01 <sci-fic> anyone knows disable gridviews refresh effect ? its annoying
Apr 06 12:38:34 <Looney> I'd filter the log to be only related to app being debugged ruukasu
Apr 06 12:39:16 <ruukasu> ah
Apr 06 12:39:21 <ruukasu> so just like
Apr 06 12:39:23 <ruukasu> grep for its name?
Apr 06 12:46:30 <Looney> yup, it's one possible option
Apr 06 12:46:48 <Looney> but adb lets you "logcat" on app basis as well
Apr 06 12:47:01 <Looney> you need to google for the switch/flag though
Apr 06 12:54:41 <Xerxez> lo, I'm a beginner with creating mobile-apps. And I'm currently having some torubles finding tutorials regarding how to load information from a website into my app I'm creating (and sending information for that matter)
Apr 06 12:55:00 <Xerxez> anyone know of any good tutorials / free reading on that subject?
Apr 06 12:57:32 <iprime> Xerxez, http://developer.android.com/training/basics/network-ops/connecting.html
Apr 06 12:58:18 <Xerxez> iprime, cheers
Apr 06 13:03:15 <njcomsec> with canvas.drawText(String text, int start, int end, float x, float y, Paint paint).....what is int start and int end? as i see float x and float y are xy origin
Apr 06 13:06:09 <icedp> njcomsec: have you tried consulting SDK Reference?
Apr 06 13:06:18 <njcomsec> i can use drawText(String text, float x, float y, Paint paint) ok. but the text is small... so im hoping the one with the int params affects the text size ut i dont know how
Apr 06 13:06:22 <njcomsec> you mean the developer website?
Apr 06 13:06:29 <icedp> njcomsec: yes
Apr 06 13:06:36 <njcomsec> yes im looking at it
Apr 06 13:06:44 <thepoosh> is Filter.performFiltering() blocking?
Apr 06 13:06:59 <thepoosh> meaning if i add more and more chars, is order forced on them?
Apr 06 13:07:01 <njcomsec> it says drawText(String text, float x, float y, Paint paint)... Draw the text, with origin at (x,y), using the specified paint.
Apr 06 13:07:13 <njcomsec> drawText(String text, int start, int end, float x, float y, Paint paint)...Draw the text, with origin at (x,y), using the specified paint.
Apr 06 13:07:33 <icedp> njcomsec: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/Canvas.html#drawText%28java.lang.CharSequence,%20int,%20int,%20float,%20float,%20android.graphics.Paint%29
Apr 06 13:08:20 <iprime> njcomsec, there's TextPaint which is a sublcass of Paint
Apr 06 13:08:45 <njcomsec> ohh i see.. i didnt realize i was staring at the link with more data to the bottom)) thanks
Apr 06 13:09:58 <njcomsec> ahh i set the sze in the paint instance
Apr 06 13:12:23 <iprime> that's correct
Apr 06 13:12:33 <iprime> njcomsec, if you need better text drawing support you can check staticlayout
Apr 06 13:14:17 <jayjo> Is there a difference between an ios push notification and an android notification?
Apr 06 13:18:32 <iprime> in terms of what?
Apr 06 13:19:25 <iprime> it's almost like saying if there were differences between ios and android
Apr 06 13:20:43 <jayjo> If I have a server that sends a push notification after certain scripts are run, do I ahve to do it once for android and once for ios devices or is it the same process?
Apr 06 13:22:19 <Mavrik> jayjo, that question doesn't make alot of sense :)
Apr 06 13:22:34 <Mavrik> you need to handle push for each client anyway
Apr 06 13:23:37 <jayjo> Mavrik: That's OK, I'm trying to explore this topic and don't know much about it. I've written ios & android apps (very simple) but I want to notify my own phone when my machine decides it's necessary (processing live data). My coworkers use android and I use ios, could I send a push notification to everyone from the same server?
Apr 06 13:23:54 <jayjo> Is there like an 'anatomy of a push notification' that I should be looking into?
Apr 06 13:24:22 <icedp> jayjo: you must decide first what you want to choose. Google Cloud Messaging or parse.com or whatever
Apr 06 13:24:25 <icedp> jayjo: and yes you can
Apr 06 13:24:45 <iprime> jayjo, alternatively you can use a third party push notifications provider
Apr 06 13:24:58 <Mavrik> jayjo, push messages are sent by a rather simple rest request to a Google or Apple push server
Apr 06 13:25:16 <Mavrik> jayjo, your app must however have a way of sending the device ID to your server
Apr 06 13:25:21 <Mavrik> which you have to handle manually
Apr 06 13:25:31 <Mavrik> and of course your app must handle received push
Apr 06 13:26:23 <jayjo> OK I think this is clearing it up. As long as I know which devices I want to send the push to, I just send a PUT/POST to apple's or google's servers and the rest is handled from there
Apr 06 13:29:59 <abara> hey guys, how can i handle a http response (with pdf as body) using retrofit library?
Apr 06 13:30:50 <eemgr> I've got an expandable list view, and my child view (the part that is displayed when a row is expanded), loads a view that contains a horizontal scroll view.  The horizontal scroll view is a custom view I've created and in my init function I add a linear layout and 20 buttons.  The goal is to have a bar of buttons that scroll left to right, however they don't appear.  I've debugged and the horizontals
Apr 06 13:30:50 <eemgr> crollview does in fact contain the linear layout and the 20 buttons, but they aren't appearing.
Apr 06 13:31:12 <eemgr> Is it possible that since this is being loaded in a listview it needs to be refreshed?
Apr 06 13:36:55 <zalg> hi, I have written a small applicaiton that uses the camera to take pictures, but when I change the device orientation and the screen rotate, the camera preview becomes black and I can't use the camera anymore... Anyone can point me to some documentation on how to handle camera rotation please?
Apr 06 13:42:35 <Mavrik> zalg, you need to stop the preview before rotation
Apr 06 13:42:39 <Mavrik> and restart it on new surface after
Apr 06 13:43:17 <zalg> Mavrik: how do I do that?
Apr 06 13:43:31 <Mavrik> O.o
Apr 06 13:43:41 <sci-fic> O.o
Apr 06 13:43:50 <Mavrik> zalg, just like you did it the first time
Apr 06 13:43:59 <vedu> zalg: use onPause, and onResume
Apr 06 13:44:47 <zalg> can you point me to some documentation  ?
Apr 06 13:46:09 <Mavrik> about what exactly
Apr 06 13:46:20 <Mavrik> you already had to do all those steps when initializing the camera
Apr 06 13:46:28 <Mavrik> you just have to repeat them
Apr 06 13:47:39 <zalg> oh ok
Apr 06 13:47:44 <zalg> ill try that then
Apr 06 13:48:47 <sci-fic> guys i have an index problem while filtering a gridviews adapter http://paste.ubuntu.com/10750039/
Apr 06 13:49:49 <sci-fic> in getview contacts.get(position) returns me original list's position how can i get filtered lists element ?
Apr 06 13:54:44 <TacticalJoke> Using the "Tint" widgets does seem safe: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/v7/appcompat/src/android/support/v7/internal/app/TintViewInflater.java#77
Apr 06 13:54:53 <TacticalJoke> It seems that we can just watch that file.
Apr 06 13:56:13 <zalg> Mavrik: ok it works, im closing the camera in onPause and calling mCamera.open() in onResume... but my camera is always in landscape mode... how do I make the camera rotate to match the device's orientation?
Apr 06 13:59:16 <android_sandwich> Hey guys, what are the possible drawbacks of using a BufferedInputStream in android for large images
Apr 06 13:59:46 <thepoosh> OutOfMemoryException
Apr 06 13:59:50 <thepoosh> i guess
Apr 06 13:59:55 <thepoosh> but don't really know
Apr 06 14:00:27 <TacticalJoke> You can check the code: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore.git/+/master/luni/src/main/java/java/io/BufferedInputStream.java
Apr 06 14:00:44 <TacticalJoke> Why are you wanting to use BIS here?  Just curious.
Apr 06 14:01:42 <claint> Anyone know of a good project example that uses retrofit and rxjava together?
Apr 06 14:02:23 <android_sandwich> I am loading Pano images with sizes up 1.5mb. Sometimes I get this error: SkImageDecoder::Factory returned null. I saw several people recommend to use BufferedInputStream
Apr 06 14:03:23 <android_sandwich> Yea I checked in the Android docs and it seemed that some extra space is the only issue. but it's supposed to help with the speed which I like
Apr 06 14:03:46 <iprime> android_sandwich, what platform are you testing on
Apr 06 14:04:39 <android_sandwich> iprime, are you asking for the Android OS version?
Apr 06 14:04:53 <iprime> yes
Apr 06 14:06:11 <TacticalJoke> android_sandwich:  Couldn't you just use a byte array?
Apr 06 14:06:34 <TacticalJoke> And BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray.
Apr 06 14:06:38 <android_sandwich> iprime, anywhere from 3.0 to 5.0
Apr 06 14:07:31 <android_sandwich> TacticalJoke, yep byte array is one option but somehow BIS seems like a better option
Apr 06 14:07:49 <thepoosh> wat
Apr 06 14:07:51 <thepoosh> no!
Apr 06 14:07:59 <TacticalJoke> I don't see why that's better.
Apr 06 14:08:02 <iprime> why buffer it android_sandwich?
Apr 06 14:08:07 <iprime> that's double the mem
Apr 06 14:08:28 <TacticalJoke> Bear in mind that a lot of SO answers are terrible.
Apr 06 14:08:36 <TacticalJoke> Even ones with +70 and a checkmark.
Apr 06 14:08:41 <iprime> try an unsynchronized IS
Apr 06 14:09:03 <TacticalJoke> iprime:  Why not a byte array?
Apr 06 14:09:06 <TacticalJoke> Isn't it simpler.
Apr 06 14:09:23 <TacticalJoke> I think he can't use a non-resettable InputStream here.
Apr 06 14:09:35 <iprime> i'm not sure where how he's loading it actually
Apr 06 14:09:58 <iprime> android_sandwich, how do you want to use the bitmap?
Apr 06 14:10:42 <iprime> TacticalJoke, if he wants to resample byte array won't be the better option I guess
Apr 06 14:11:28 <android_sandwich> iprime, I resize the image to created a scaledBitmap and store it on disk. To show, I load it into a Gridview (using Picasso).
Apr 06 14:11:43 <iprime> why don't you let picasso resize it?
Apr 06 14:11:50 <thepoosh> ^^^
Apr 06 14:11:57 <thepoosh> פןבשדדם ׳ןךך דבשךק ןא גם׳מ כםר טםו
Apr 06 14:12:06 <thepoosh> picasso will scale it down for you
Apr 06 14:12:08 <iprime> thepoosh, shalom uvaracha...:)
Apr 06 14:12:15 <thepoosh> :D
Apr 06 14:12:18 <TacticalJoke> iprime:  Is there something wrong with using a byte array when you want to resample?  Just curious whether there's something I'm unaware of.  :)
Apr 06 14:12:46 <iprime> TacticalJoke, that you have to load the array in memory, if you read an input stream and resample the memory will be less depending on the resample factor
Apr 06 14:13:20 <TacticalJoke> iprime:  But there's no way around loading the entire array into memory, is there?  BitmapFactory.decodeStream has to load the whole thing into memory, AFAIK.
Apr 06 14:14:02 <android_sandwich> hmm interested... my current method returns a bitmap.
Apr 06 14:14:23 <iprime> you can use decodeStream with BitmapOptions where you can set a resampling factor
Apr 06 14:14:31 <iprime> the sample size, that is
Apr 06 14:14:42 <iprime> it will read the whole stream but won't "save" it all in memory
Apr 06 14:15:06 <abara> i've a view that generates an PDF document. It's works fine at the browsers (desktop). But my final objective is to deliver it over my android application. Right now i'm using retrofit library to handle my requests/responses (only json). So my problem is how can i handle/receive the pdf over android using retrofit.
Apr 06 14:15:11 <iprime> if the sample size is 2 you'll wind up with 4 time less memory
Apr 06 14:15:48 <android_sandwich> iprime, yea I am decoding with BitmapOptions
Apr 06 14:16:00 <TacticalJoke> iprime:  Right, but what is the difference between using a byte[] and using an InputStream there?
Apr 06 14:16:04 <iprime> i'm thinking picasso might resample too, haven't studied the code
Apr 06 14:16:17 <TacticalJoke> In both cases, as far as I know, you have to load the entire byte array into memory.
Apr 06 14:16:24 <android_sandwich> can I get a bitmap back from Picasso?
Apr 06 14:16:25 <TacticalJoke> I say "as far as I know" because I'm going on memory.
Apr 06 14:16:26 <iprime> inputstream is like a pointer to a data that can be read, it's not loaded in memory
Apr 06 14:16:48 <android_sandwich> I think Picasso figures out the inSampleSize automatically
Apr 06 14:16:50 <TacticalJoke> I guess the question is of whether BitmapFactory.decodeStream loads the entire thing into memory.
Apr 06 14:16:55 <TacticalJoke> (At one time.)
Apr 06 14:16:55 <iprime> if you resample it's like saying, save every 2nd bit instead of every bit into memory
Apr 06 14:17:02 <TacticalJoke> iprime:  That's separate.  :D
Apr 06 14:17:07 <iprime> how so?
Apr 06 14:17:13 <TacticalJoke> There's the bytes and there's the final Bitmap.  Two distinct things.
Apr 06 14:17:23 <TacticalJoke> You're talking about the final Bitmap; I'm talking about the input bytes.
Apr 06 14:17:51 <iprime> the input bytes aren't loaded in memory
Apr 06 14:18:21 <iprime> unless you load them in memory, read them and write/save them to mem
Apr 06 14:19:11 <iprime> or are they? :D
Apr 06 14:19:15 <android_sandwich> so for now if I stick to my solution then byte array is better?
Apr 06 14:19:35 <android_sandwich> vs. BIS
Apr 06 14:19:36 <iprime> android_sandwich, is picasso not working well for you?
Apr 06 14:20:14 <john67> hi
Apr 06 14:20:24 <john67> iprime: hi
Apr 06 14:20:32 <iprime> john67, you all done with the app?
Apr 06 14:20:40 <john67> iprime: not yet
Apr 06 14:20:51 <iprime> struggling with the alarm?
Apr 06 14:20:53 <android_sandwich> iprime, I had been using it only to display but not to resize or store images. It's working great for showing but I will try using it for resizing and saving to disk as well
Apr 06 14:20:54 <john67> iprime: left with the  alarm
Apr 06 14:20:56 <john67> yeah
Apr 06 14:21:09 <iprime> android_sandwich, i think it auto caches to disk
Apr 06 14:21:53 <john67> iprime: will send it to u
Apr 06 14:22:03 <android_sandwich> iprime, yea but we need to store in a seperate "app" folder from which we later send to the server
Apr 06 14:22:04 <iprime> oh, i'm just about the leave the office
Apr 06 14:22:17 <iprime> android_sandwich, oh i see
Apr 06 14:22:31 <iprime> wonder if you can get hold of a cached picasso file
Apr 06 14:23:24 <android_sandwich> hmm that's an interesting point. it should store it in a location where my app has access to, but I haven't checked
Apr 06 14:23:48 <iprime> consult the sources
Apr 06 14:23:57 <android_sandwich> yep I will
Apr 06 14:23:59 <icedp> "Resources, assets, files, content providers are all supported as image sources."
Apr 06 14:24:09 <icedp> you can load cached picasso image into anything
Apr 06 14:24:34 <icedp> hm wait
Apr 06 14:24:47 <iprime> icedp, as a bitmap, but probably not as easily as a "file"
Apr 06 14:25:27 <android_sandwich> can Picasso return a bitmap?
Apr 06 14:25:32 <iprime> of course
Apr 06 14:25:45 <iprime> you use a Target instead of a say ImageView
Apr 06 14:26:12 <android_sandwich> I am doing this right now Bitmap scaledBitmap = Bitmap.createScaledBitmap(b, (int) halfWidth, (int) halfHeight, true); how would I do that in Picasso?
Apr 06 14:26:20 <iprime> so then you can save the bitmap to a file you know of, but that'll be two files with the same content
Apr 06 14:26:37 <iprime> android_sandwich, half w/h is perfect case for resampling
Apr 06 14:26:46 <iprime> picasso has .resize
Apr 06 14:27:06 <iprime> Picasso.load(url).resize(w,h).into(..) or something
Apr 06 14:27:21 <android_sandwich> yea but that won't return a bitmap
Apr 06 14:27:26 <iprime> oh it will
Apr 06 14:27:36 <android_sandwich> is using Targets the only way?
Apr 06 14:27:47 <iprime> I guess, but what's wrong with that?
Apr 06 14:27:59 <iprime> you want it to happen synchronously?
Apr 06 14:28:03 <android_sandwich> oh nothing, just wondering.
Apr 06 14:29:14 <android_sandwich> no that's not the issue. I haven't Targets but I have looked at the interface and I guess it's not complicated
Apr 06 14:29:52 <android_sandwich> just not wanted to introduce too much new code. I am refactoring the legacy code that someone else wrote
Apr 06 14:30:04 <iprime> how did they do it?
Apr 06 14:31:03 <android_sandwich> by using Bitmap.createScaledBitmap and then having a simple BaseAdapter to show in ImageView
Apr 06 14:31:33 <iprime> no cache etc?
Apr 06 14:32:30 <android_sandwich> nope :(
Apr 06 14:32:50 <android_sandwich> I was looking at LRUcache but haven't worked on it yet
Apr 06 14:33:16 <iprime> why reinvent the wheel, just use picasso or whichever lib
Apr 06 14:33:47 <android_sandwich> iprime, makes sense
Apr 06 14:34:26 <iprime> yeah, is your app published?
Apr 06 14:35:04 <android_sandwich> Thanks a lot for your help, I will try to use picasso for the whole process. It really seems to be doing a good job with showing
Apr 06 14:35:36 <android_sandwich> it's an internal app so we upload to a site for our users
Apr 06 14:35:52 <iprime> ah
Apr 06 14:37:06 <android_sandwich> iprime, again thanks...
Apr 06 14:37:33 <iprime> sure
Apr 06 14:44:14 <john67> iprime: it doesnt work, still
Apr 06 14:47:35 <john67> iprime: it doesnt work http://pastebin.com/BcqmADq8
Apr 06 14:49:34 <rgpixeltech> i
Apr 06 14:49:35 <rgpixeltech> hi
Apr 06 14:49:57 <rgpixeltech> how can I debug the app with sdk and see the println without having to upload the apk to my android?
Apr 06 14:49:58 <knappaer_tech> looking to resize some image views after picasso finishes
Apr 06 14:50:03 <rgpixeltech> running gradle or something?
Apr 06 14:50:07 <rgpixeltech> with the stacktrace?
Apr 06 14:50:29 <rgpixeltech> i want to test the code without having to run it in the phone
Apr 06 14:50:34 <john67> iprime: i got no error but the receiver doesnt send the data to the activity
Apr 06 14:52:56 <yiati> rgpixeltech: You can't debug a program with printlns unless you run the program
Apr 06 14:53:19 <yiati> Depending on the part of your app you could write up tests
Apr 06 14:53:22 <yiati> and run those
Apr 06 14:53:29 <yiati> you have to run something
Apr 06 14:53:48 <myke> rgpixeltech: emulator
Apr 06 15:03:42 <rgpixeltech> thns =)
Apr 06 15:03:49 <rgpixeltech> thnks
Apr 06 15:08:17 <KeizerDev> Hi, i've made a custom view which extends a linearlayout
Apr 06 15:08:32 <KeizerDev> when i call .removeAllViews();
Apr 06 15:08:46 <KeizerDev> i doesnt remove the views ive added
Apr 06 15:09:02 <KeizerDev> it*
Apr 06 15:09:08 <KeizerDev> Anyone knows why?
Apr 06 15:09:57 <KeizerDev> If i call System.out.println(this.getChildCount()); it returns 0
Apr 06 15:12:28 <t2mkn> KeizerDev: try using .invalidate() or .postInvalidate() after remove
Apr 06 15:13:31 <yiati> ViewGroup#removeAllViews calls requestLayout() and invalidate on the ViewGroup
Apr 06 15:13:48 <yiati> t2mkn: That was my first thought until I saw what removeAllViews calls
Apr 06 15:15:04 <yiati> KeizerDev: Child count seems to indivate that it DID remove the views, even though it doesn't "appear" so
Apr 06 15:16:11 <yiati> KeizerDev: Always helps to take a brief dip into the source, http://grepcode.com/file/repo1.maven.org/maven2/org.robolectric/android-all/5.0.0_r2-robolectric-0/android/view/ViewGroup.java#ViewGroup.removeAllViews%28%29
Apr 06 15:17:57 <t2mkn> KeizerDev: so its not repainting the component. try inside a runnable.
Apr 06 15:19:20 <quinnjn> Anyone look into Stetho?
Apr 06 15:19:36 <johnflux_> Is android.support.v4.view.ViewPager  incompatible with android.support.v4.app.Fragment ?
Apr 06 15:19:41 <feathersanddown> Hi!, I'm have this issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2250770/how-to-refresh-android-listview ........  this is my code: http://pastebin.com/BE4LHcvq    I can't do ListView refresh from db :(
Apr 06 15:20:13 <johnflux_> I currently have fragments that are:  android.support.v4.app.Fragment    should I convert them over to android.support.Fragment  if I want a viewpager
Apr 06 15:22:05 <pfn> no
Apr 06 15:24:30 <johnflux_> pfn: if that's to me, then thanks - that does actually help
Apr 06 15:24:53 <johnflux_> pfn: I changed my activity to a FragmentActivity etc instead
Apr 06 15:47:33 <eemgr> can you create a listview inside a view? rather than in an activity?
Apr 06 15:49:31 <TacticalJoke> eemgr:  If a ListView is the child of a LinearLayout, it's already the child of a View, since a LinearLayout is a ViewGroup, which is a View.
Apr 06 15:49:38 <eemgr> true
Apr 06 15:49:42 <TacticalJoke> Same with any ViewGroup.
Apr 06 15:49:44 <TacticalJoke> Why do you ask?
Apr 06 15:50:02 <eemgr> I'm trying to nest a listview inside an expandable listview's child
Apr 06 15:50:37 <eemgr> so its expandable list view -> child is a view (linear layout) -> contains custom listview
Apr 06 15:51:37 <eemgr> i extended ListView to separate the code, and i'm having trouble inflating the view because i cant get the layoutinflator
Apr 06 15:52:11 <TacticalJoke> That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Apr 06 15:52:21 <eemgr> why is that?
Apr 06 15:52:25 <TacticalJoke> And doesn't ExpandableListView already support this?
Apr 06 15:52:36 <TacticalJoke> You're asking about putting a ListView inside a ListView.  ;o
Apr 06 15:52:54 <eemgr> expandable listview is like a pseudo implementation... it doesn't allow the child-list to scroll separately from the parent.
Apr 06 15:53:20 <TacticalJoke> I see.  Still, I've read that we shouldn't put ListViews inside ScrollViews, let alone ListViews.
Apr 06 15:54:00 <eemgr> Well, I guess i'll find out the hard way then
Apr 06 15:54:49 <TacticalJoke> Isn't there a better way to achieve what you want?
Apr 06 15:54:52 <eemgr> I'm getting really frustrated by the limitations on Android, in theory it shouldn't matter since the touch event to start the scrolling should be either on the child listview or the parent listview's groups
Apr 06 15:54:57 <TacticalJoke> i.e., a way that doesn't involve nesting a ListView within a ListView.
Apr 06 15:55:39 <eemgr> Perhaps, but I don't have free reign with design, unfortunately.
Apr 06 15:56:38 <TacticalJoke> Are they requiring you to have a separate scrolling thing within a scrolling thing?
Apr 06 15:56:58 <sci-fic> guys simple question how can i do that button ? http://postimg.org/image/mozow0nct/ 0 to bottom and right/left , i tried gravity alignparent top true etc. it didnt work for me
Apr 06 15:57:00 <sci-fic> what i miss ?
Apr 06 15:57:13 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: Yup
Apr 06 15:57:32 <TacticalJoke> sci-fic:  Are you using RelativeLayout?
Apr 06 15:57:43 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: From a design perspective, it makes sense. Its an organized method of displaying data.
Apr 06 15:57:49 <sci-fic> main relative and a child linear
Apr 06 15:58:09 <TacticalJoke> sci-fic:  Within a RelativeLayout, it's just height=whatever, width=match_parent, layout_alignParentBottom=true.
Apr 06 15:58:18 <sci-fic> ty
Apr 06 15:58:49 <TacticalJoke> eemgr:  I think it creates a poor UX in general, though.
Apr 06 15:58:56 <TacticalJoke> Scrolling things within scrolling things tend to feel bad.
Apr 06 15:59:19 <eemgr> not at all, its a scroll view, you click a button, it drops down a smaller sub-list
Apr 06 15:59:29 <eemgr> when i say scroll view, i mean listview, of course
Apr 06 15:59:59 <TacticalJoke> Is the sub-list intended to be some kind of context menu?
Apr 06 16:00:37 <eemgr> think of it like this - you have a list of businesses, you tap a row and it expands to another scrollable list that shows the businesses locations
Apr 06 16:00:52 <eemgr> tap it again and it contracts back to normal
Apr 06 16:00:52 <TacticalJoke> I don't see why ExpandableListView isn't enough.  Sounds like it covers that use case well.
Apr 06 16:00:59 <eemgr> because if there are 100 locations
Apr 06 16:01:09 <eemgr> you dont want to lose your sense of context in the our list
Apr 06 16:01:20 <eemgr> outer*
Apr 06 16:01:28 <TacticalJoke> I see.  So a fixed height or something.
Apr 06 16:01:34 <eemgr> right
Apr 06 16:01:49 <eemgr> either way - like i said, i'll figure it out the hard way
Apr 06 16:01:53 <eemgr> and maybe report back with my findings
Apr 06 16:02:43 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, I wonder whether a Spinner (basically a combo box) would work.  I've never tried putting one in a ListView, though.
Apr 06 16:02:56 <mrfu> anyone using retrolambda in their android projects?
Apr 06 16:03:34 <TacticalJoke> eemgr:  What about even a dialog?
Apr 06 16:03:54 <TacticalJoke> The dialog pops up and shows a ListView.  It's not perfect, but it may be better.
Apr 06 16:04:13 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: that may be an option, i'll keep that in mind as a fallback.
Apr 06 16:04:15 <eemgr> thanks
Apr 06 16:04:55 <pfn> I'll be making all my java projects use retrolambda
Apr 06 16:05:03 <pfn> whenever it comes time to update them
Apr 06 16:07:44 <clamiax> brb
Apr 06 16:07:57 <pfn> retrolambda runs as part of my build automatically
Apr 06 16:09:26 <clamiax> re
Apr 06 16:31:06 <t0astt> What are some common things you'd find in a settings/preferences for an app?
Apr 06 16:32:33 <jvrodrigues> first opening, some user info, I suppose, makes sense to store everything that's not repeatable in the app preferences, stuff you only need 1 value of.
Apr 06 16:32:38 <jvrodrigues> like settings and whatnot
Apr 06 16:32:46 <jvrodrigues> maybe the user doesnt want notifications
Apr 06 16:32:53 <jvrodrigues> maybe wants a different color theme
Apr 06 16:33:05 <t0astt> Ah, I like the notification idea
Apr 06 16:33:13 <t0astt> Although they are pretty critical to my app
Apr 06 16:33:29 <t0astt> I think I'll add it in anyway though
Apr 06 16:33:30 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, it totally depends on the app.
Apr 06 16:33:57 <TacticalJoke> t0astt:  It's a good idea not to pollute the options menu, though.
Apr 06 16:33:58 <t0astt> I have an option to reset tutorial screens
Apr 06 16:34:01 <TacticalJoke> Only add stuff with good reason.
Apr 06 16:34:03 <TacticalJoke> Simplicity FTW.
Apr 06 16:34:14 <t0astt> and I have Open Source Software Licenses, as well as an "About this App"
Apr 06 16:36:16 <pfn> I never understood the motivation for the open source licenses section
Apr 06 16:36:24 <pfn> except for licenses that have an advertising clause
Apr 06 16:38:01 <t0astt> Eh, I think it's nice to give credit where credit is due
Apr 06 16:38:51 <pfn> it's pretty meaningless for the vast vast majority of people
Apr 06 16:42:27 <quinnjn> hmm, are there any open source licenses that require acknowledgement?
Apr 06 16:42:41 <t0astt> Oh, question. When my app pushes notifications, currently only the first notification shows. Is there a way to make them "stack" or show multiple under the same notification?
Apr 06 16:43:53 <Ankhwatcher> Anyone want to chime in: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29475425/determine-when-my-watch-face-is-being-displayed
Apr 06 16:47:23 <quinnjn> granted, I don't think any Apache 2.0 libraries are going to hunt you down to do so :)
Apr 06 16:52:58 <sci-fic> why this give me always Wi-Fi http://paste.ubuntu.com/10751644/ ?
Apr 06 16:53:51 <quinnjn> sci-fic, is wifi always available?
Apr 06 16:54:09 <sci-fic> it was and i turn off the wifi
Apr 06 16:54:23 <sci-fic> even airplane mode gives me wifi
Apr 06 16:55:31 <quinnjn> weird, looking at the source javadoc isAvailable returns false in the case airplane mode is enabled.
Apr 06 16:56:34 <iprime> sci-fic, try .isConnected
Apr 06 16:57:28 <iprime> why don't you start with 'positive' checks first... if (wifi.isConnected) { } else if (mobile.isConnected) {} else { }
Apr 06 16:58:00 <sci-fic> i'll, just testing :D
Apr 06 16:58:17 <iprime> all right
Apr 06 16:58:23 <sci-fic> thanks
Apr 06 16:59:26 <iprime> sci-fic, what device are you testing on btw?
Apr 06 16:59:31 <t0astt> is there a way to get the resource ID (int) of the "hamburger" icon on a v7 supportActionBar?
Apr 06 16:59:36 <sci-fic> nexus 5
Apr 06 17:01:23 <iprime> quinnjn, you can enable wifi with airplane mode on
Apr 06 17:03:16 <pentarex> hey guys with video view can i record at particular time
Apr 06 17:03:58 <pentarex> i mean the video which is playing on background to record it for example at 20 second till 25 second
Apr 06 17:05:21 <iprime> essentially trim/cut/split the video?
Apr 06 17:05:59 <pentarex> yes now I have it like a local file, later I will have an internet stream
Apr 06 17:06:15 <pentarex> i mean video stream from url
Apr 06 17:06:23 <pentarex> not a local file
Apr 06 17:08:22 <iprime> don't think that's an easy job, but maybe you can try to have another app do that
Apr 06 17:08:24 <iprime> the camera
Apr 06 17:09:01 <pentarex> what?
Apr 06 17:09:15 <pentarex> what do you mean to use the camera to record the video from my video view?
Apr 06 17:15:21 <lasserix_> t0astt: heirarchyviewer if nothing else works
Apr 06 17:18:54 <iprime> pentarex, like there's a crop intent there might be a trim intent, but it probably won't work on every device
Apr 06 17:19:03 <iprime> if you're really enthusiastic you could use ffmpeg :)
Apr 06 17:19:04 <t0astt> lasserix: I figured it out. Just need to get my ShowcaseView to recognized it :P
Apr 06 17:19:16 <pentarex> iprime ive decided to use INDE from intel
Apr 06 17:19:21 <pentarex> i will give it a shot
Apr 06 17:19:21 <thepoosh> g00s: !!!
Apr 06 17:19:27 <thepoosh> mornin
Apr 06 17:19:38 <iprime> pentarex, never heard of it, can you give me some link to read up on it
Apr 06 17:20:00 <pentarex> iprime https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-inde-media-pack-for-android-tutorials
Apr 06 17:21:02 <pentarex> iprime those are just examples but you can see that is working fine (at least with their examples :D )
Apr 06 17:21:37 <iprime> but does it only work on intel androids? or arm too?
Apr 06 17:22:21 <lasserix_> iprime: ffmpeg is going to be a long process
Apr 06 17:22:39 <lasserix_> you have to do jni - ndk dev stuff, not to mention learn video encoding/decoding
Apr 06 17:22:41 <iprime> lasserix_, yeah, it's just that i don't know if other tools exist
Apr 06 17:22:41 <sci-fic> good night all
Apr 06 17:23:01 <yiati> good afternoon to you too
Apr 06 17:23:02 <iprime> i had to build it for android a couple of years ago, more like 3 years ago
Apr 06 17:23:18 <iprime> there was some open project of some chinese guy which was a great starting point
Apr 06 17:23:20 <lasserix_> iprime: there is as impler way
Apr 06 17:23:26 <iprime> lasserix_, what's that?
Apr 06 17:23:28 <lasserix_> iprime: you can capture surfaceview
Apr 06 17:23:34 <iprime> oh you can?
Apr 06 17:24:41 <lasserix_> yeah
Apr 06 17:24:44 <lasserix_> stackoverflow it
Apr 06 17:24:46 <lasserix_> i can't remember
Apr 06 17:24:56 <lasserix_> you might have to use a camera object so dont be misdirected
Apr 06 17:26:08 <iprime> oh all right, i'm in no hurry, but pentarex might be interesting
Apr 06 17:26:09 <thepoosh> fine, I'm pissed now
Apr 06 17:26:23 <thepoosh> cannot figure out why the softkeyboard is not pushing my layout up
Apr 06 17:27:02 <lasserix_> iprime: you might look at https://github.com/sourab-sharma/TouchToRecord
Apr 06 17:27:14 <lasserix_> thepoosh: wrong uitype in your manifest?
Apr 06 17:27:38 <thepoosh> nope, it's a fragment and in the other fragments in this activity it does push everything up
Apr 06 17:27:44 <iprime> lasserix_, it's pentarex who's looking for a solution, but he wants to trim a file not anything camera-related
Apr 06 17:27:47 <thepoosh> i feel stupid for falling on this
Apr 06 17:27:58 <lasserix_> oh
Apr 06 17:28:26 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I've been looking into this BitmapFactory.decodeStream thing for a long.  It seems that it does use less memory at one time than BitmapFactory.decodeByteArray does, but it's generally pretty small compared to the size of the Bitmap that gets loaded into memory.
Apr 06 17:28:36 <pentarex> lasserix_ ok thanks i saw it
Apr 06 17:28:46 <iprime> TacticalJoke, how does it use less memory?
Apr 06 17:28:48 <TacticalJoke> Given this, and given issues such as <https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=57578>, I wonder why libraries such as Picasso and Glide don't just use decodeByteArray.
Apr 06 17:28:48 <pentarex> iprime thank you too :) just checking inde but no luck to register...
Apr 06 17:29:02 <snooplsm> We have noticed a weird issue in our logs with SimpleDateFormat("yyyy-MM-dd");  sometimes we get outputs like: 2015-0011-0002, like how is that possible?
Apr 06 17:29:06 <JakeWharton> TacticalJoke: because byte arrays are stupid
Apr 06 17:29:08 <JakeWharton> and wasteful
Apr 06 17:29:09 <JakeWharton> and slow
Apr 06 17:29:43 <JesusFreke> and they should feel bad?
Apr 06 17:29:56 <thepoosh> lasserix_: any other thoughts?
Apr 06 17:30:02 <thepoosh> should i attach the file?
Apr 06 17:32:20 <TacticalJoke> I'm using decodeByteArray but considering changing.  If I do change, though, I have to use some kind of BufferedInputStream for marking and so on, and I get the much greater complexity of the 1024 thing, the WebP thing that Picasso works around, etc.  Hmm.
Apr 06 17:32:28 <lasserix_> thepoosh: in oncreateview: getActivity().getWindow().setSoftInputMode(WindowManager.LayoutParams.SOFT_INPUT_ADJUST_RESIZE);
Apr 06 17:32:50 <thepoosh> been there, done that
Apr 06 17:32:52 <thepoosh> nada
Apr 06 17:33:07 <lasserix_> are you edittexts different?
Apr 06 17:33:17 <lasserix_> which one are you using for resizemode?
Apr 06 17:33:18 <thepoosh> just a sec
Apr 06 17:33:54 <thepoosh> https://gist.github.com/yishai-glide/e06d1e2333ced4e5d0f3
Apr 06 17:35:50 <lasserix_> maybe the lines=4
Apr 06 17:36:00 <lasserix_> since it knows et will be up to 4 lines it wont push it?
Apr 06 17:37:00 <thepoosh> it's not pushing the rest of the layout
Apr 06 17:37:04 <thepoosh> which is pissing me off
Apr 06 17:37:52 <thepoosh> https://gist.github.com/yishai-glide/8ab26e38939b704dc9c6
Apr 06 17:37:56 <thepoosh> this is the layout
Apr 06 17:38:13 <TacticalJoke> BTW, I figured out that it's probably safe to use the Tint* widgets (e.g., for subclassing): https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/v7/appcompat/src/android/support/v7/internal/app/TintViewInflater.java#77
Apr 06 17:39:59 <TacticalJoke> That plus the Javadoc and the 'public' modifiers.
Apr 06 17:40:24 <lasserix_> thepoosh: fitsSystemWindows?
Apr 06 17:40:35 <lasserix_> is that true for your other layouts too?
Apr 06 17:40:55 <thepoosh> i saw it in one of the other layouts that actually does resize and tried it here
Apr 06 17:40:59 <thepoosh> doesn't work here
Apr 06 17:42:11 <lasserix_> thepoosh: id try the et in its own view see if it pushes
Apr 06 17:42:18 <lasserix_> just to see if its the edit text or the surrounding layout
Apr 06 17:42:34 <thepoosh> sounds good
Apr 06 17:42:37 <thepoosh> will try
Apr 06 17:42:47 <thepoosh> k, thanks
Apr 06 17:43:07 <codekK> Hey, im here again :$. I have a problem retrieving objects from parse backend. The objets have been store well and my problem its that seems they object that i retrieve from parse isnt stored in my "categoria" arraylist. Here its code, http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/jKbwM811U3 the important its at " private void getCategoriasByUser()" at Log.d i can see all retrieve objets but seems itsnt add to my array list. Some help? (sorry for my bad english)
Apr 06 17:45:53 <iprime> try notifyDataSetChanged
Apr 06 17:46:44 <odraencode> Hey
Apr 06 17:47:22 <lasserix_> codekK: did you confirm  query.whereEqualTo("createdBy", ParseUser.getCurrentUser()); matches anything?
Apr 06 17:47:24 <codekK> iprime, for me? But my problem its that array isnt only with item i add in my constructor of adapter.
Apr 06 17:47:28 <codekK> lasserix_,
Apr 06 17:47:29 <codekK> yes
Apr 06 17:47:41 <codekK> In log.d i can get all results Log.d("CAT", c.getString("nombre").toString());
Apr 06 17:47:54 <iprime> codekK, yes, after your for(ParseObject c : categorias)
Apr 06 17:48:08 <codekK> i get what i want but seems the categoria.add didnt take effect
Apr 06 17:48:08 <iprime> after the loop notify the adpater the data changed
Apr 06 17:48:22 <odraencode> I'm making an app for android but I don't even own a cellphone. Can someone tell me what are those vertical lists of buttons/links/panels/text/whatever that you find literally everywhere in android apps that usually open another activity?
Apr 06 17:48:46 <lasserix_> codeKK there is a problem: you have categoria as your CLASS member, but then the callback also has a categoria list: you are adding to the wrong list
Apr 06 17:49:01 <iprime> odraencode, some keywords for you: drawer, drawerlayout, navigation drawer
Apr 06 17:49:03 <codekK> lasserix_, hmm no
Apr 06 17:49:07 <pfn> odraencode, get  a phone
Apr 06 17:49:10 <lasserix_> codekK: sorry still waking up
Apr 06 17:49:12 <codekK> My class member its "categoria" and the callback its "categoriaS"
Apr 06 17:49:24 <codekK> and i add to my class member "categoria"
Apr 06 17:49:34 <pfn> odraencode, or. any android. device. at. all, like a tablet
Apr 06 17:49:36 <lasserix_> categorias actually has size > 0?
Apr 06 17:49:48 <codekK> Yes
Apr 06 17:50:21 <iprime> codekK, tried yet..?
Apr 06 17:50:22 <codekK> lasserix_, ty but like iprime said when i add "notifyDataSetChanger()" after of my for its works fine
Apr 06 17:50:25 <odraencode> pfn: I don't have money to buy one :(
Apr 06 17:50:30 <codekK> iprime, yes
Apr 06 17:50:33 <codekK> with notifyDataSetChanger
Apr 06 17:50:35 <codekK> it works fine!
Apr 06 17:50:35 <iprime> doesn't work?
Apr 06 17:50:37 <lasserix_> yeah
Apr 06 17:50:45 <iprime> oh great
Apr 06 17:50:45 <codekK> :) thanks a lot!
Apr 06 17:50:52 <odraencode> pfn: I'm on an internship/slavery to make an android app
Apr 06 17:51:00 <codekK> Its the normal way for update the adapter? or its a bad practice?
Apr 06 17:51:04 <iprime> odraencode, ask them for a device
Apr 06 17:51:47 <rgpixeltech> Hi, there's any documentation on How create a Menu based on an Image? I mean, how map the image and bind button events to them?
Apr 06 17:52:14 <odraencode> iprime: I'm not sure it's a "navigation drawer" I'm looking for. This is one of those things that slide open, right? I'm looking for what's inside the drawer, but not in a drawer. Just a... navigation?
Apr 06 17:52:36 <iprime> odraencode, oh it can be anything, it's often a listview
Apr 06 17:53:20 <liuwenhao> listview, recyclerview, whatever you want. the drawer is just a container
Apr 06 17:53:40 <odraencode> iprime: so I just make a listview and somehow make the items go to other activities?
Apr 06 17:53:53 <iprime> rgpixeltech, you handle the click on those items
Apr 06 17:54:03 <iprime> and load a new activity, replace a fragment etc
Apr 06 17:54:09 <lasserix_> What is the object a controller acts on?
Apr 06 17:54:19 <odraencode> iprime: I sort of thought this had some built-in widget given how most of them look the same
Apr 06 17:54:43 <iprime> rgpixeltech, doesn't sound androidy, i think you'll be on your own
Apr 06 17:55:01 <pfn> odraencode, then they should provide you hardware
Apr 06 17:55:02 <iprime> odraencode, nah, i don't think so, but there are guidelines about margins etc
Apr 06 17:55:09 <liuwenhao> odraencode: http://www.android4devs.com/2014/12/how-to-make-material-design-navigation-drawer.html
Apr 06 17:55:16 <liuwenhao> Read this, it will give you an idea of how it works
Apr 06 17:55:24 <rgpixeltech> I've a custom menu with images, is there any posibility to like map the image? Or I've to split it in Icons and put the target to them?
Apr 06 17:55:28 <liuwenhao> also http://www.android4devs.com/2015/01/recycler-view-handling-onitemtouch-for.html
Apr 06 17:55:38 <odraencode> Thanks, pfn, iprime, liuwenhao
Apr 06 17:55:48 <rgpixeltech> liuwenhao: thnkx
Apr 06 17:56:14 <shekibobo> anyone else updated to the latest android studio 1.2-beta?
Apr 06 17:56:23 <liuwenhao> rgpixeltech that link was for iprime, I don't know about your issue haha
Apr 06 17:56:31 <liuwenhao> er odraencode, not iprime
Apr 06 17:56:37 <iprime> liuwenhao, i don't need it, thank you all the same.. :)
Apr 06 17:56:37 <shekibobo> and also seeing ridiculously overzealous layout rendering?
Apr 06 17:56:39 <rgpixeltech> Haha ok
Apr 06 17:56:41 <iprime> all right
Apr 06 17:56:49 <iprime> rgpixeltech, i think your bigger issue would be providing feedback
Apr 06 17:57:32 <iprime> rgpixeltech, is it just simple rectangular hit areas you want?
Apr 06 17:58:08 <rgpixeltech> no is not, is a Circle image with 4 items inside
Apr 06 17:58:35 <iprime> 4 items of irregular shape?
Apr 06 17:58:41 <rgpixeltech> no they are equals
Apr 06 17:58:45 <rgpixeltech> i mean
Apr 06 17:58:50 <rgpixeltech> yes irregular shape
Apr 06 17:58:50 <iprime> maybe show the pic?
Apr 06 17:58:52 <iprime> oh
Apr 06 17:58:59 <rgpixeltech> is not a square
Apr 06 17:59:24 <iprime> maybe you should extract the background and extract the four shapes and use views for them, idk
Apr 06 17:59:55 <rgpixeltech> good, is a good point, to do it custom like this is that necessary good
Apr 06 18:00:09 <rgpixeltech> and I can move them I mean, handle them in position x - y?
Apr 06 18:00:19 <iprime> well, i woudln't say image with hit areas is good in android
Apr 06 18:00:21 <rgpixeltech> to fit all of them?
Apr 06 18:00:26 <rgpixeltech> yea
Apr 06 18:00:44 <rgpixeltech> is a design wich I just receive
Apr 06 18:00:48 <iprime> oh
Apr 06 18:01:18 <iprime> is it just one time thing or do you have to create a generic solution?
Apr 06 18:02:05 <lasserix> hello
Apr 06 18:03:18 <lasserix> whats best irc client for mac that has differing colors for users?
Apr 06 18:03:46 <iprime> lasserix, i use hexchat, i think it's available for osx
Apr 06 18:04:46 <lasserix> hmm
Apr 06 18:06:49 <lasserix> http://fragmentedpodcast.com/ woo
Apr 06 18:06:56 <lasserix> two shows full of rxjava
Apr 06 18:07:10 <icedp> lasserix: weechat for the win, it runs on everything it seems
Apr 06 18:08:36 <lasserix> weechat loks pretty cool
Apr 06 18:11:22 <codekK> iprime, sorry i dont want to disturb you but i have another question... How u can see i have a dialog that its used for insert data to parse, well.. i want autoupdate the adapter when i submit the dialog. I see about use a listener for pass event back to my fragment. Then, when i get the listener on my fragment i should call the getCategoriasByUser adapter function (that retrieves information for parse) from my fragment? Or its a bad practice? What
Apr 06 18:11:22 <codekK>  u should suggest me?
Apr 06 18:13:55 <iprime> codekK, i'm not familiar with parse and your app, so i'm not sure I can suggest you anything
Apr 06 18:14:21 <iprime> do you want to update your adapter with what you send to parse?
Apr 06 18:15:11 <codekK> I have a function on my adapter that retrieve data from parse (a OO database), and this data its added by dialog. Well, i want when i set somehting with dialog call again the function to retrieve data that its on my adapter.
Apr 06 18:15:55 <Quacked> why do I get IllegalStateException on this? interstitial = new InterstitialAd(this); interstitial.setAdUnitId(AD_UNIT_ID_FULL); interstitial.setAdListener(new AdListener() { onAdLoaded() { interstitial.show();
Apr 06 18:16:10 <Quacked> its the interstitial.show(); that gives the exception
Apr 06 18:16:14 <t0astt> I can store an arraylist in SharedPreferences, right?
Apr 06 18:16:16 <codekK> Im reading about http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#PassingEvents . And then the function taht its used for retrieve data from parse i make it public and then from fragment that uses the adapter i can call this function
Apr 06 18:18:47 <pfn> https://github.com/simpligility/maven-android-sdk-deployer/issues/246
Apr 06 18:18:48 <pfn> ugh
Apr 06 18:18:49 <pfn> more pita
Apr 06 18:19:41 <codekK> Hmmm, im getting problems trying to override the onAttach(Activity activity) on my DialogFragment. Android studio said that "Cannot resolver symbol 'Activity'" hmm wtf?
Apr 06 18:20:17 <pfn> hmm, newer appcompat/mediarouter fixes this
Apr 06 18:20:29 <icedp> t0astt: String[] or int[]
Apr 06 18:20:42 <iprime> codekK, i'm trying to understand what you need exactly... so you want to refresh your adapter after you close a dialog?
Apr 06 18:20:44 <icedp> t0astt: as far as I know, but surely you can convert)
Apr 06 18:21:00 <codekK> iprime, yes only when i click "accept" button
Apr 06 18:21:16 <codekK> i want to call again a method that its stored in my adapter for retrieve objects from db
Apr 06 18:21:45 <codekK> But yes, what i want its to refresh my adapter after close the dialog that uses the same fragment
Apr 06 18:22:32 <codekK> Then i think i can call the method that retrieve objects in my fragment from adapter instance and use the listener like http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#PassingEvents
Apr 06 18:23:12 <iprime> codekK, that looks good
Apr 06 18:24:04 <codekK> iprime, ok im doing it. I hope it works, and dont disturb u more :$
Apr 06 18:24:39 <codekK> Thank you very much, I am learning and youre being very helpful
Apr 06 18:24:48 <iprime> that's fine codekK
Apr 06 18:30:56 <thebishop> hi, i'm getting an error: com.android.dex.DexException: Multiple dex files define Lorg/webrtc/MediaSource; while building an app under the webrtc source tree.  is there a way to see which dex files are causing the issue?
Apr 06 18:32:22 <feathersanddown> where to download android samples grom github ?
Apr 06 18:32:48 <colintheshots> I have a question about services. In general, is it better to combine multiple IntentServices or keep them separate? How much is the service overhead? Let’s say I want a service for the network and a service for the camera. Would combining them likely improve app performance?
Apr 06 18:33:29 <feathersanddown> ooh finally I found them :)
Apr 06 18:33:38 <codekK> iprime, arg didnt work cause i cant use the onAttach method for populate the listener, cause i want to populate it to my fragment no to my activity... :$
Apr 06 18:34:07 <iprime> codekK, just pass some listener then
Apr 06 18:36:37 <pfn> how do I make gradle create a pom?
Apr 06 18:36:56 <iprime> codekK, or the fragment for that matter as long as you manage it properly
Apr 06 18:37:07 <CatZs> i have an android key which i'm using for maps in my app which is working fine. Now can i use the same android key for places autocomplete api too? I tried using it but i'm always getting empty string as result.
Apr 06 18:40:31 <codekK> i tried something liek this http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/fyWuFb7qBa atm i didnt get exception or something but seem didnt work cause the update didnt take effect :(+
Apr 06 18:44:10 <TacticalJoke> codekK:  That "Instantiate the NoticeDialogListener so we can send events to the host" comment is wrong.  It doesn't instantiate anything -- it simply copies a reference.
Apr 06 18:44:30 <codekK> TacticalJoke, well its from devs guide
Apr 06 18:44:43 <codekK> Im not expert but just its a copy paste from http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html#PassingEvents
Apr 06 18:45:04 <codekK> Anyway TacticalJoke thank you for advice
Apr 06 18:45:15 <TacticalJoke> Damn, that's bad.
Apr 06 18:45:24 <TacticalJoke> codekK:  I'm guessing your problem is elsewhere, though.
Apr 06 18:47:24 <iprime> codekK, in the guide they talk to the activity, you want to talk to the fragment instead
Apr 06 18:47:48 <iprime> so maybe you can let the fragment implement some interface and pass it to your dialog
Apr 06 18:48:33 <codekK> Here full code, http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/tUwAvR8nqJ adapter, dialog and fragment
Apr 06 18:49:11 <codekK> iprime, atm my fragment implement the interface im looking it but i think the problem its that "im not talking correctly to fragment" the event
Apr 06 18:50:11 <iprime> you have to set dialogListener to something (your fragment really)
Apr 06 18:51:16 <codekK> iprime, i do it in onCreate liek dialogListener = (InsertarCategoriaDialogListener) getParentFragment(); but this seems not be correct
Apr 06 18:51:18 <iprime> not sure why you would do that onCreate
Apr 06 18:51:34 <iprime> seems like a generic solution to me
Apr 06 18:51:41 <codekK> Im too xD. Cause the docs uses a onAttach for activity and im not sure what to use for Fragment
Apr 06 18:51:45 <iprime> why don't you create a method like setlistener(...)
Apr 06 18:51:58 <codekK> Oh, and dependency injection?
Apr 06 18:52:18 <codekK> hmm
Apr 06 18:52:23 <codekK> ok
Apr 06 18:54:27 <iprime> kinda
Apr 06 18:54:52 <iprime> it's not like yoru dialog would totally depend on your listener
Apr 06 18:56:20 <feathersanddown> where can I find the LoaderThrottle  sample ?
Apr 06 18:56:44 <_genuser_> the internet?
Apr 06 19:00:15 <codekK> iprime, wow it works like a charm. in dialog i make a setter for listener. And in fragment when i instanciate the dialog i call the setter with reference to my fragment that implements the listener and now works fine. :D
Apr 06 19:04:40 <BlackBishop> anyone having problems with android emulator on kernel 3.19.3 ? ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1187982 )
Apr 06 19:07:45 <pouta> Hi!
Apr 06 19:08:11 <pouta> What restritions does an app have while in background
Apr 06 19:08:12 <pouta> ?
Apr 06 19:08:34 <iprime> glad it works for you codekK, it's really a fairly easy thing to do
Apr 06 19:08:37 <pouta> can it access all of the phone components?
Apr 06 19:09:36 <iprime> pouta, such as?
Apr 06 19:09:47 <pouta> camera nfc bluetooth
Apr 06 19:10:26 <pouta> And if, for eg, the nfc is turned of can the app in background turn it on without a prompt?
Apr 06 19:11:16 <t0astt> Sooo I can set a minimum height on my recyclerview, but I can't set a maximum height. Anyway to do that while still using wrap_content?
Apr 06 19:11:54 <iprime> pouta, nft on a rooted phone you can
Apr 06 19:12:12 <pouta> I'm talking about a stokc android
Apr 06 19:12:15 <lasserix> anyone use stetho?
Apr 06 19:12:16 <pouta> stock*
Apr 06 19:12:23 <iprime> t0astt, wrap_content with listview/recyclerview etc is wrong
Apr 06 19:12:34 <pouta> iprime how about camera?
Apr 06 19:12:55 <t0astt> iprime: is the correct way through using setFixedSize()?
Apr 06 19:13:34 <iprime> t0astt, fixed height sounds better
Apr 06 19:13:35 <Quitta> Hi all °/, I've been struggling the past hours with a simple feature, namely changing the background of the actionbar. Multiple online tutorials made me end up with: http://pastebin.com/f1TMzBt3 . But I don't see any changes.
Apr 06 19:13:49 <Quitta> Any feedback would be appreciated :)
Apr 06 19:14:30 <iprime> Quitta, it's not a difficult thing to do, but why not use Toolbar?
Apr 06 19:15:01 <pfn> because using actionbar is low impedance if you've been using actionbar to begin with
Apr 06 19:15:21 <iprime> Quitta, there are some online tools you can use to completely style your action bar
Apr 06 19:15:27 <TacticalJoke> Quitta:  I can't remember, but you might need to use 'actionBarStyle', not 'android:actionBarStyle'.
Apr 06 19:15:33 <pouta> iprime: can I PM you?
Apr 06 19:15:36 <TacticalJoke> Since you're using AppCompat.
Apr 06 19:15:41 <iprime> pouta, sure
Apr 06 19:15:57 <pouta> how do I do it?
Apr 06 19:15:59 <pouta> -.-
Apr 06 19:16:21 <TacticalJoke> Also, I'm not sure you can mix Holo and AppCompat themes like that.
Apr 06 19:16:26 <Quitta> iprime: to be honest I never styled/themed any app before. what's the difference with Toolbar?
Apr 06 19:16:37 <TacticalJoke> "Widget.Holo.Light.ActionBar.Solid.Inverse" and "Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar"?  Seems a bit odd.
Apr 06 19:16:46 <rodriguespt> pouta: xD by command you can always "/msg iprime Hello"
Apr 06 19:16:55 <Quitta>  pouta iirc pming is done by /query (name) (msg)
Apr 06 19:16:57 <pouta> I want to open a new tab xD
Apr 06 19:17:23 <pouta> done, thanks
Apr 06 19:17:25 <rodriguespt> or(better) like Quitta said :)
Apr 06 19:17:44 <pouta> rodrigues percebes de android, suponho
Apr 06 19:18:20 <iprime> Quitta, for the actionbar you might check this: http://jgilfelt.github.io/android-actionbarstylegenerator/
Apr 06 19:18:33 <Quitta> and that I do remembr, but I manage to f*ckup joining another channel and ashame myself pubically :D
Apr 06 19:19:29 <Quitta> iprime: I found that site, but they have this license agreement, I prefer to do it myself, but can't manage it.
Apr 06 19:19:54 <iprime> Quitta, so just see how they do it, you don't have to use all of their code
Apr 06 19:20:28 <Quitta> their code is quite complex :)
Apr 06 19:20:41 <Quitta> but even the 'official' example does not work: https://developer.android.com/training/basics/actionbar/styling.html
Apr 06 19:21:12 <iprime> but does their code work? nevermind how complex
Apr 06 19:22:53 <rodriguespt> Quitta: are u sure u apply the theme to activity? like : <application android:theme="@style/CustomActionBarTheme" ... />
Apr 06 19:23:53 <Quitta> yes
Apr 06 19:24:45 <Quitta> TacticalJoke: changing android:actionBarStyle to actionBarStyle made a change, now the background is white instead of the wanted color :/
Apr 06 19:25:12 <rodriguespt> I remember that i used actionbar for introdution on android and i could PIMP that little bar (anyway for a more customized app i designed my own ActionBar)
Apr 06 19:27:32 <rodriguespt> First day I enter this channel and I already found a Portuguese! Nice to know we are here :)
Apr 06 19:31:24 <xDevol> Hi guys
Apr 06 19:32:43 <xDevol> Question : I have a an activity with pager (fragments) and tab navigation in actionbar
Apr 06 19:33:14 <codekK> Someone know why sometimes in logcat at android studio i see this error : Could not find class 'android.support.v4.app.FragmentTransitionCompat21$3', referenced from method android.support.v4.app.FragmentTransitionCompat21.setSharedElementEpicenter ??? i had the support.v4 library added :S and all works fine
Apr 06 19:33:28 <xDevol> Everythings work fine but when swiping view, the next tab doesn't become active
Apr 06 19:33:42 <xDevol> But when tapping tabs it's become active
Apr 06 19:34:36 <xDevol> Is there an action to bind in getItem method from FragmentPageAdapter ?
Apr 06 19:40:43 <Afzal> I think I just found g00s on reddit :P
Apr 06 19:40:53 <g00s> Afzal lol i think i know why :)
Apr 06 19:40:57 <Afzal> haha
Apr 06 19:42:57 <TacticalJoke> Quitta:  Don't mix Holo and AppCompat themes.
Apr 06 19:42:57 <TacticalJoke> Use one or t'other.
Apr 06 19:43:37 <Quitta> I discovered that my error lies in using ActionBarActivityinstead of Activity
Apr 06 19:43:56 <TacticalJoke> The error is that you were using Activity?  Or the error is that you were using ActionBarActivity?
Apr 06 19:46:38 <Quitta> the last one, I was using ActionBarActivity without knowing it.
Apr 06 19:48:38 <basiclaser> I'd like to make an app which responds to a gesture whilst the device screen is off. Is this possible with android?
Apr 06 19:50:24 <lasserix> no
Apr 06 19:56:14 <g00s> ugh; i submitted a bug against the Play Services SDK on the defect tracker but it got shitcanned as 'wrong forum'. I still haven't found what exactly the right forum is
Apr 06 19:57:53 <icedp> basiclaser: if you target only for OLED screen devices and just show black background...
Apr 06 20:01:10 <paulo_> hello
Apr 06 20:01:27 <paulo_> can I import non-Android projects from eclipse to Android Studio?
Apr 06 20:01:32 <paulo_> these are plain Java code
Apr 06 20:01:56 <paulo_> like a library
Apr 06 20:02:40 <shmooz> paulo_: you can try
Apr 06 20:02:56 <mrfu> it is a pain
Apr 06 20:03:15 <mrfu> a friend did it and bitched about it for like half a day on irc haha
Apr 06 20:03:52 <shmooz> paulo_: you need to know the differences and what needs translating
Apr 06 20:04:19 <paulo_> shmooz: it's mostly plain java code though.
Apr 06 20:04:29 <shmooz> that doesn't explain much
Apr 06 20:04:52 <shmooz> paulo_: try it and see what it complains about
Apr 06 20:05:15 <paulo_> shmooz: ok, thanks
Apr 06 20:10:58 <basiclaser> icedp: shame.. I wanted to make an app which worked when the phone was locked/asleep
Apr 06 20:11:10 <basiclaser> not possible?
Apr 06 20:11:59 <android-dev361> what is your app trying to do when the phone's locked?
Apr 06 20:12:09 <TacticalJoke> basiclaser:  Isn't that contradictory?
Apr 06 20:12:30 <icedp> basiclaser: if it's sleeping there should be a non-sleeping mechanism to wake it up. which is not in place. it's hardware issue
Apr 06 20:12:31 <kubast2> Hey ,do you perhaps know if I can limit download speed of "repo sync" command ?
Apr 06 20:15:30 <canadiancow> kubast2, you're the first person i've ever heard ask for that
Apr 06 20:15:35 <canadiancow> i usually want it to go as fast as possible :P
Apr 06 20:16:10 <kubast2> I mean I always like to the things on the internet when I download something
Apr 06 20:16:14 <kubast2> even if it takes more time
Apr 06 20:16:30 <kubast2> it just feels faster ,as I have something to do
Apr 06 20:17:51 <kubast2> and I share internet connection
Apr 06 20:18:15 <TacticalJoke> You always like to what?
Apr 06 20:19:33 <kubast2> Read articiles ,watch youtube videos[mostly youtube videos]
Apr 06 20:19:38 <rodriguespt> TacticalJoke:  I supose he wants to say "... like to do the..."
Apr 06 20:20:13 <samskiter> is there some setting to have padding and margin begin at the edge of a view and not at it’s anchor? trying to put some text to the right of a button, but its getting sucked under the button
Apr 06 20:20:30 <dragorn> kubast2, there's a bunch of stuff that can limit speed in linux, look at 'trickle'
Apr 06 20:20:33 <dragorn> kubast2, http://www.tuxradar.com/content/control-your-bandwidth-trickle
Apr 06 20:20:53 <dragorn> kubast2, it's a ldpreload hack that slows down sockets
Apr 06 20:22:52 <android-dev361> samskiter, what layout are you using?
Apr 06 20:23:07 <samskiter> android-dev361: relativelayout
Apr 06 20:23:13 <samskiter> hang on, maybe its not that
Apr 06 20:23:25 <samskiter> its happening on other views too..
Apr 06 20:23:39 <rodriguespt> maybe youre using linearLayout?
Apr 06 20:23:48 <samskiter> no, its a relative layout
Apr 06 20:24:03 <samskiter> one view is centered and the other it ‘torightof"
Apr 06 20:25:12 <rodriguespt> and where you want to put text?
Apr 06 20:25:35 <samskiter> right of the button
Apr 06 20:25:42 <icedp> samskiter: align baseline?
Apr 06 20:25:56 <rodriguespt> baseline should resolve
Apr 06 20:26:00 <samskiter> vertical alignment doesnt matter
Apr 06 20:26:01 <rodriguespt> ups xD
Apr 06 20:27:07 <yiati> What is the url for support v4 javadoc, so that I can linkOffline in my javadoc?
Apr 06 20:27:13 <myke> forget the proper name, ghe layout viewer (at least in eclipse) shows you visually what relativelayout is doing
Apr 06 20:28:33 <samskiter> baseline is the wrong direction
Apr 06 20:28:55 <samskiter> ach, i need to fill_parent on the relativelayour
Apr 06 20:29:34 <myke> samskiter: it's just endless isn't it??
Apr 06 20:30:01 <Afzal> people still use fill_parent?
Apr 06 20:30:11 <samskiter> fill/match. whatever :P
Apr 06 20:30:16 <Afzal> lol
Apr 06 20:30:43 <samskiter> Afzal: ive now been dealing with both so much in various project (some legacy) that i forget which is the new one :D
Apr 06 20:30:44 <groxx> maybe one day we'll evolve past that confusion, and just use "parent" and "content"
Apr 06 20:31:17 <Afzal> legacy is the worst but match_parent was API 8 man, are you supporting < API 8?
Apr 06 20:31:58 <icedp> wrap and fill are both just -1
Apr 06 20:32:07 <icedp> wrap is -2
Apr 06 20:32:25 <Afzal> groxx hopefully before that, we'll have mind reader devices to read our minds for layout :)
Apr 06 20:32:26 <icedp> 1s/wrap/match
Apr 06 20:32:40 <samskiter> myke: i think the layout system is drawing wrong imo. the rel layout is shrinking and pushing the text under the button so the text is no longer ‘to the right of’ the button
Apr 06 20:33:21 <TacticalJoke> I want Glide to pause animated GIFs in Activity.onStop but *not* stop downloading images.  Is this possible?
Apr 06 20:33:37 <Afzal> time to try gitlab.com instead of bitbucket
Apr 06 20:34:05 <icedp> samskiter: I think we up to the point you should share you layout )
Apr 06 20:34:07 <samskiter> Afzal: +1 for gitlab. i set up our instance here.
Apr 06 20:34:11 <samskiter> indeed
Apr 06 20:34:47 <Afzal> samskiter oh yeah, I did that a while back but gitlab.com is their own public instance
Apr 06 20:34:56 <samskiter> yea
Apr 06 20:34:59 <samskiter> icedp: http://paste.ofcode.org/32jGHTRcCNXn9vGr2aztd4U
Apr 06 20:35:21 <Afzal> and it looks much better than what I deployed back then lol
Apr 06 20:35:21 <samskiter> with the rel layout to to wrap content, the text gets pushed under the button
Apr 06 20:35:36 <samskiter> :P yea, it’s still quite weak in terms of notifications
Apr 06 20:35:43 <samskiter> and damn slow
Apr 06 20:38:24 <TacticalJoke> samskiter:  Is the marginRight value ineffective because of toRightOf?
Apr 06 20:38:24 <icedp> samskiter: works as expected for me. something's wrong with you style maybe?
Apr 06 20:40:42 <samskiter> icedp: did you set the rel laytout to wrap_content
Apr 06 20:40:43 <samskiter> ?
Apr 06 20:41:10 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: the marginright works, but it works 50%. because the relativelayout distributes the space either side of the button
Apr 06 20:41:14 <icedp> samskiter: I changed nothing except deleting style I don't have and stubbing text
Apr 06 20:41:38 <samskiter> icedp: change the rel layout to wrap content, the text gets pushed under the button
Apr 06 20:42:27 <samskiter> imo that’s a bug
Apr 06 20:42:54 <icedp> hehe got it
Apr 06 20:42:57 <samskiter> :)
Apr 06 20:43:07 <rodriguespt> samskiter: u mean android:layout_width="fill_parent" to -> android:layout_width="wrap_content" ?
Apr 06 20:43:15 <samskiter> indeedy
Apr 06 20:43:26 <samskiter> a nice gotcha…
Apr 06 20:43:31 <samskiter> staring at it for a while
Apr 06 20:43:39 <TacticalJoke> samskiter:  What if you just set leftPadding for the TextView?  Wouldn't that give you what you want?
Apr 06 20:43:46 <TacticalJoke> Instead of the marginRight.
Apr 06 20:43:48 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: same difference
Apr 06 20:44:58 <TacticalJoke> I guess you mean "no difference".  "Same difference" makes my brain throw a StackOverflowError.  :D
Apr 06 20:45:24 <samskiter> yes, sorry, that’s actually a phrase that annoys me too.
Apr 06 20:45:50 <icedp> yep, those are two big differences
Apr 06 20:45:55 <icedp> :)
Apr 06 20:46:02 <samskiter> i could care less! :P
Apr 06 20:46:06 <samskiter> ;)
Apr 06 20:47:13 <samskiter> anyway, i imagine that layout doesn’t work because it would require multiple layout passes. but it’s wrong imo
Apr 06 20:47:47 <rodriguespt> if you set your relativelayout to layout_gravity:center and remove button center_in_parent doesn that do the trick?? humm
Apr 06 20:47:52 <TacticalJoke> I don't see why TextView.paddingLeft=whatever doesn't work.
Apr 06 20:48:58 <TacticalJoke> What if you remove margins/padding completely?  Does the TextView appear where you'd expect (relative to the Button)?
Apr 06 20:49:57 <canadiancow> fyi rodriguespt, s/fill_parent/match_parent/
Apr 06 20:50:12 <canadiancow> or i guess tha'ts for samskiter
Apr 06 20:50:19 <icedp> both centerHorizontal and centerInParent cause problem
Apr 06 20:50:21 <canadiancow> but fill_parent has been deprecated since api level 8
Apr 06 20:51:00 <samskiter> canadiancow: i think you missed the fill/match parent conversation we already had
Apr 06 20:51:05 <pfn> fill_parent = match_parent in any case
Apr 06 20:51:28 <canadiancow> i did, i just respond that way whenever i see "fill_parent" :p
Apr 06 20:51:43 <rodriguespt> canadiancow: i really dont understand what you said "[21:49] <canadiancow> fyi rodriguespt, s/fill_parent/match_parent/"
Apr 06 20:51:58 <canadiancow> i'm saying don't use fill_parent
Apr 06 20:52:08 <TacticalJoke> rodriguespt:  See the next message.
Apr 06 20:52:16 <icedp> rodriguespt: translating for you information, you should substitude fill_parent with match_parent))
Apr 06 20:52:17 <abara> anyone using ripple effect libraries? if yes, give name/feedback of the performace! pls :)
Apr 06 20:52:19 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: with no padding or margin, the text appears half hidden
Apr 06 20:52:28 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, rodriguespt!  Use match_parent.  :D
Apr 06 20:52:35 <TacticalJoke> samskiter:  U wot m8.
Apr 06 20:52:38 <samskiter> lol
Apr 06 20:52:58 <samskiter> so what’s happening is the rel layout is getting a width of buttonwidth+textwidth
Apr 06 20:53:02 <samskiter> but then its button the button in the middle
Apr 06 20:53:27 <samskiter> so theres empty space of textwidth/2 on the left and half ot the text is on the right. the text sits as far right as it can
Apr 06 20:53:37 <samskiter> for real bruv
Apr 06 20:54:48 <john67> hello
Apr 06 20:54:52 <john67> im back
Apr 06 20:55:00 <rodriguespt> ok.. i just dont know where the f.. i used fill_parent.. i told samskiter to substitute :/
Apr 06 20:55:16 <TacticalJoke> The text shouldn't be half-hidden without padding/whatever.
Apr 06 20:55:28 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: try it
Apr 06 20:55:32 <rodriguespt> samskiter: can you send a print please?
Apr 06 20:55:44 <samskiter> it’s above:  http://paste.ofcode.org/32jGHTRcCNXn9vGr2aztd4U
Apr 06 20:55:50 <samskiter> set the relativelayout width to wrap_content
Apr 06 20:56:19 <icedp> samskiter: the problem is actually not only overlapping
Apr 06 20:56:27 <icedp> the fricking button  should be in center
Apr 06 20:56:38 <samskiter> icedp: the button is centered for me
Apr 06 20:56:39 <rodriguespt> samskiter: i mean the print of the layout (half-text seen)
Apr 06 20:56:42 <samskiter> inspect the relativelayout
Apr 06 20:57:04 <TacticalJoke> No overlap here.
Apr 06 20:57:07 <TacticalJoke> Even if I remove the margin.
Apr 06 20:57:19 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: did you modify the relativelayout to wrap_content width
Apr 06 20:57:27 <icedp> http://t.sql01.com/sc/5cc68211_1428353833.png samskiter
Apr 06 20:57:30 <TacticalJoke> Oh.  No.
Apr 06 20:57:34 <icedp> samskiter: undetermined behaviour )
Apr 06 20:57:35 <TacticalJoke> Why would you do that?
Apr 06 20:58:14 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: cos that’s the situation i think there is a bug :D
Apr 06 20:58:29 <TacticalJoke> A bug in Android?
Apr 06 20:58:46 <samskiter> well as icedp -confusing/undefined behaviour
Apr 06 20:59:02 <samskiter> not necessarily a bug
Apr 06 20:59:25 <samskiter> icedp: yea, looks like the button is centered
Apr 06 21:00:02 <TacticalJoke> Try removing centerInParent.  It works as expected then.
Apr 06 21:00:11 <TacticalJoke> It's just the centerInParent thing.
Apr 06 21:00:20 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: yup
Apr 06 21:00:32 <samskiter> but in my case, i wanted the button to be centered
Apr 06 21:00:55 <icedp> samskiter: actually yes, agreed on second though
Apr 06 21:01:12 <samskiter> an interesting gotcha anyway.
Apr 06 21:01:16 <TacticalJoke> The problem appears to be that the TextView is being aligned to the right of the Button *before* centerInParent is considered.
Apr 06 21:01:44 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: yes, the relativelayout is measured and then the views are positioned within it
Apr 06 21:03:29 <samskiter> leaky abstraction is leaky
Apr 06 21:03:45 <TacticalJoke> It feels like trying to put two magnets together at the wrong ends.
Apr 06 21:04:00 <TacticalJoke> How could this make sense?
Apr 06 21:04:11 <samskiter> the relativelayout needs to grow a little more
Apr 06 21:04:16 <TacticalJoke> To which size?
Apr 06 21:04:20 <samskiter> by textWidth more
Apr 06 21:04:33 <samskiter> so that it is buttonWidth+2*textWidth wide
Apr 06 21:04:44 <samskiter> then it could accomodate the positioning
Apr 06 21:04:48 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, okay.  I guess that way of looking at it makes sense.
Apr 06 21:05:41 <samskiter> well to be complete: buttonwidth+2*(buttonrightmargin=+textwidwthleftmargin+textwidth)
Apr 06 21:05:46 <TacticalJoke> So you'd need to measure the two children, place them (taking into account margins), and *then* move the Button to the middle, and then resize the container and, finally, place the children again.
Apr 06 21:06:08 <samskiter> yes, you’d need a much more intelligent measure passs
Apr 06 21:06:09 <TacticalJoke> s/the children again/the TextView again/
Apr 06 21:07:25 <samskiter> android’s layout system does lack this kind of intelligence generally. e.g. creating views that match the size of other views elsewhere.
Apr 06 21:07:45 <samskiter> or creating fixed-aspect/square views
Apr 06 21:08:33 <samskiter> it’s the major area the ios constraint-base layout system beats android’s
Apr 06 21:09:01 <groxx> yeah, except for some features of RelativeLayout, there isn't a constraint-based layout thing for android (built in.  dunno about 3rd party)
Apr 06 21:09:11 <groxx> I'd love to build one for fun tho
Apr 06 21:09:31 <groxx> probably like this, since I would indeed go for cassowary: https://github.com/anandsainath/constraint-layout
Apr 06 21:09:38 <samskiter> well the android system hasn’t changed much over the years, but nslayoutconstraint etc is quite new. so maybe they’ll do a big overhaul soon
Apr 06 21:09:58 <groxx> I'd guess almost never, since they're so big on backwards compatibility
Apr 06 21:09:58 <TacticalJoke> I guess the simplest way to think of it is to have a TextView on each side, the same size.  Then the Button is centralised.
Apr 06 21:10:05 <TacticalJoke> But have only one TextView in reality.
Apr 06 21:10:06 <groxx> but more support libs / etc, sure
Apr 06 21:10:31 <samskiter> TacticalJoke: yea, fill_parent was fine for me in the end, but i’ve done things like that with dummy views in the past
Apr 06 21:11:08 <samskiter> groxx: they’ll probably manage it somehow. itlll just make the sauce moar speghetti
Apr 06 21:11:51 <TacticalJoke> Remember "match_parent".  :D
Apr 06 21:12:03 <samskiter> oh i did it again!? *sigh*
Apr 06 21:19:14 <TacticalJoke> This looks new: http://antonioleiva.com/kotlin-android-extension-functions/
Apr 06 21:20:12 <TacticalJoke> That example looks wrong, though.  Surely he's missing a "show()" there.
Apr 06 21:20:40 <TacticalJoke> Also, why not make it an extension function of Toast?  Then we can just say "Toast.show('whatever')".
Apr 06 21:21:10 <TacticalJoke> Wait, that wouldn't work.  Never mind.
Apr 06 21:29:08 <Afzal> we can use standalone toolbar in older SDKs right?
Apr 06 21:29:32 <g00s> yeah
Apr 06 21:29:36 <Afzal> cool cool
Apr 06 21:30:25 <g00s> i wonder what the next step is for rxjava
Apr 06 21:30:42 <Afzal> more transform functions!!
Apr 06 21:30:42 <Afzal> :p
Apr 06 21:30:58 <g00s> dunno
Apr 06 21:32:07 <TacticalJoke> That blog post was pretty underwhelming.
Apr 06 21:32:11 <g00s> 'rxnetty-remote-observable' sounds cool
Apr 06 21:32:29 <g00s> TacticalJoke lol
Apr 06 21:32:49 <g00s> come on man, get that app done !
Apr 06 21:33:19 <TacticalJoke> :D
Apr 06 21:33:43 <g00s> TacticalJoke you notice, another one of the reddit apps had to change their name
Apr 06 21:33:51 <TacticalJoke> Oh, which one?
Apr 06 21:34:56 <icedp> why nobody would do live-editing tool, so we could restart activities/change layout with a refresh button hit?)
Apr 06 21:35:28 <myke> icedp: too much compile time stuff, conisder R
Apr 06 21:35:56 <g00s> TacticalJoke http://phandroid.com/2015/04/01/best-android-apps-relay-for-reddit-news/
Apr 06 21:36:11 <g00s> icedp there is one
Apr 06 21:36:17 <g00s> just not from google
Apr 06 21:36:40 <icedp> what's that?)
Apr 06 21:36:49 <TacticalJoke> I think the new name is better.
Apr 06 21:36:52 <TacticalJoke> The old one was so boring.
Apr 06 21:37:11 <TacticalJoke> Though the new one isn't awe-inspiring either.
Apr 06 21:37:42 <g00s> icedp http://jimulabs.com/
Apr 06 21:39:14 <quinnjn> ^ that's cool, but is it $99 USD cool?
Apr 06 21:39:26 <icedp> g00s: looks nice, yep
Apr 06 21:39:29 <g00s> well, they have to eat somehow
Apr 06 21:39:36 <myke> taht's awesome g00s
Apr 06 21:39:49 <g00s> maybe your question is : why didn't google do that, and to that i have no answer
Apr 06 21:39:56 <myke> $99 isn't much cash...apple/cjarges $99 just to be a dev
Apr 06 21:40:58 <eemgr> What is this nonsense that an arrayadapter needs a textview resource id?
Apr 06 21:41:14 <icedp> I tried Clojure REPL, it's actually pretty cool. You press a button and block under the cursor gets executed on phone. So you can recreate activity if selection the onCreate() or just change view. But overhead and no Android specific IDE support (
Apr 06 21:41:17 <TacticalJoke> It wants an XML file to inflate.
Apr 06 21:41:18 <g00s> eemgr dont use arrayadapter, just use BaseAdapter
Apr 06 21:41:35 <eemgr> I wish I had known that it was so severely handicapped from the start...
Apr 06 21:41:54 <eemgr> but, an easy transition i suppose
Apr 06 21:42:09 <rodriguespt> g00s: humm like that jimulabs :$
Apr 06 21:44:11 <eemgr> hm you must override getItemId
Apr 06 21:44:54 <TacticalJoke> I think you can throw an OperationNotSupportedException there.
Apr 06 21:45:00 <TacticalJoke> If you're not using stable IDs, or whatever it is.
Apr 06 21:45:10 <TacticalJoke> Though don't quote me on that.  :D
Apr 06 21:45:19 <eemgr> haha alright
Apr 06 21:47:01 <eemgr> So if you have an async callback to your getView in an adapter, say for an image download, is it wise to pass in a weak reference to the imageview?
Apr 06 21:47:12 <eemgr> since it may be garbage collected if scrolled out of view?
Apr 06 21:47:20 <abara> hey guys! :)
Apr 06 21:47:25 <myke> eemgr: that is one way...want a nice examle?
Apr 06 21:47:29 <eemgr> sure
Apr 06 21:47:48 <abara> kinda a great question here about retrofit, custom converter, and pdf file exchange http://www.codeshare.io/UamZA
Apr 06 21:48:09 <myke> https://github.com/fkspro/android-tinyasync
Apr 06 21:48:47 <myke>   
Apr 06 21:49:07 <eemgr> myke: that appears to be nearly identical to what i'm doing, but in a more organized fashion.
Apr 06 21:49:09 <myke>      
Apr 06 21:49:12 <Cogni> how would you guys go about finding dev teams to outsource (cheap) to? We are looking for a team to build a video calling application, front and backend
Apr 06 21:49:19 <Afzal> wtf Kotlin inspections in a java project with no kotlin plugin >_<
Apr 06 21:49:20 <TacticalJoke> myke:  You're still not using StringBuilder.
Apr 06 21:49:29 <myke> eemgr: i worked it out one weekenc and made a nice example
Apr 06 21:49:41 <myke> TacticalJoke: :(  yes you are right, t0/lashes
Apr 06 21:49:44 <myke> 50
Apr 06 21:49:45 <eemgr> Great, thanks! This will be nice to show my intern too.
Apr 06 21:49:51 <eemgr> very straight forward
Apr 06 21:50:12 <TacticalJoke> Also, stuff like "String line;" miles away from where it's used isn't good.
Apr 06 21:50:14 <myke> eemgr: plz change geturl to use stringbuilder...i promised TacticalJoke i'd fix that!
Apr 06 21:50:16 <TacticalJoke> Just makes code hard to read.
Apr 06 21:51:48 <myke> TacticalJoke: yup, old C habit fro  the really old days when you had to declare all your vars at the top before any code
Apr 06 21:51:59 <myke> pre-C89 or whatever
Apr 06 21:52:30 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: btw i'm about 10-15 mins away from having that listview in a listview fully worked out
Apr 06 21:52:37 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: so... the moment of truth.
Apr 06 21:52:46 <myke> strangely at one point it was right before the loop
Apr 06 21:53:24 <myke> but thank you for code review!
Apr 06 21:54:01 <myke> i genuinely believe this example provides insight for devs new to android
Apr 06 21:54:20 <eemgr> I wonder how many people in general know when to use a weakreference...
Apr 06 21:55:02 <myke> from what i've read, not many
Apr 06 21:55:12 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: so the external listview is intercepting the scroll/touch events. Time to mess with it a bit.
Apr 06 21:55:30 <myke> one anecdote from a senior dev hirimg for a job said only 1 in 20 applicants could even casually explain what a weakref is
Apr 06 21:55:39 <groxx> that high?
Apr 06 21:56:30 <myke> lol
Apr 06 21:57:33 <mrfu> so is there any word about when google is planning to have android support java 8?
Apr 06 21:57:53 <groxx> somewhere after the heat-death of the universe, most likely
Apr 06 21:58:14 <lewellyn> i don't think they're interested in revisiting that court case just yet.
Apr 06 21:58:57 <groxx> didn't they win?  /me can't remember almost any of the details
Apr 06 21:59:10 <g00s> i doubt language features have any worries about legal things; maybe adding more java 8 runtime classes
Apr 06 21:59:14 <eemgr> initial loss, eventually overturned in their favor, iirc.
Apr 06 21:59:44 <lewellyn> it's probably still in appeals.
Apr 06 21:59:45 <eemgr> java 8 adds some awesome stuff though, so it would be nice
Apr 06 21:59:51 <myke> yeesh didn't even know about that
Apr 06 21:59:55 <eemgr> lambda's... for one.
Apr 06 21:59:59 <mrfu> unfortunately I'm getting all sorts of fussiness from retrolambda
Apr 06 22:00:01 <groxx> lewellyn: heh, probably :)
Apr 06 22:00:05 <mrfu> : (
Apr 06 22:00:21 <groxx> fussiness?
Apr 06 22:00:49 <mrfu> getting some Dex errors
Apr 06 22:01:06 <mrfu> and as far as I can tell everything is applied correctly in my build file
Apr 06 22:01:12 <JesusFreke> I pity the fu who gets dex errors
Apr 06 22:01:15 <myke> znyone tried coroutines?  there's a coroutine solution on google code, it does rewrite bytecode so may not work on dalvok...i havent tried
Apr 06 22:01:40 <g00s> mrfu if you are starting on a new project, i'd mix in kotlin probably
Apr 06 22:01:57 <g00s> myke no rewriting bytecode allowed
Apr 06 22:02:29 <mrfu> so adding in kotlin would fix the dex problem? Or just add in Kotlin because Kotlin?
Apr 06 22:02:50 <g00s> lewellyn groxx  but i do wonder what google's endgame is with android, just can't believe they are going to ride into the sunset with this existing java stuff
Apr 06 22:03:15 <g00s> mrfu lol, no get rid of retrolambda and make your lambda heavy stuff kotlin
Apr 06 22:03:48 <g00s> although, somebody did say the kotlin plugin was killing the cpu; i can't afford that on my flea bitten machine
Apr 06 22:04:09 <lewellyn> g00s: i'm not sure even google knows anymore.
Apr 06 22:04:28 <g00s> lewellyn well in a way they probably don't - android and chrome are probably A/B tests
Apr 06 22:04:37 <g00s> or something else we don't know about
Apr 06 22:05:07 <lewellyn> i expect they're still trying to figure out how to collect as much user data as possible.
Apr 06 22:05:20 <mrfu> Is there a good kotlin resource?
Apr 06 22:05:34 <g00s> mrfu there are quite a few blogs now on how to do use kotlin
Apr 06 22:05:35 <mrfu> that is a more declarative language like scala correct?
Apr 06 22:06:08 <g00s> not sure declarative is the right word
Apr 06 22:07:14 <g00s> TacticalJoke you know what java vs kotlin on android reminds me of : MFC vs OWL on WIndows
Apr 06 22:07:33 <g00s> same shit, different platform
Apr 06 22:08:32 <g00s> groxx were you guys using google tag manager ?
Apr 06 22:08:43 <mrfu> does kotlin play nice with RxAndroid?
Apr 06 22:08:50 <g00s> mrfu it should
Apr 06 22:08:59 <mrfu> or will I need to use RxKotlin instead?
Apr 06 22:09:10 <g00s> mrfu i haven't used rxandroid, just plain rxjava, kotlin will be fine with rxjava
Apr 06 22:09:19 <mrfu> I feel like there are some tradeoffs to this haha
Apr 06 22:09:30 <g00s> i'm not even sure rxkotlin has much of anything
Apr 06 22:10:08 <g00s> one of the main goals jetbrains had was easy interop between java / kotlin, specifically java calling into kotlin
Apr 06 22:10:13 <john67> does any 1 know the brand wiko?
Apr 06 22:10:16 <g00s> as well as the easier kotlin calling into java
Apr 06 22:10:54 <proq> how do I change the font size in Android Studio?  The Editor Font is disabled and I can't edit it
Apr 06 22:11:16 <proq> also, how do I turn on displaying line numbers?
Apr 06 22:11:19 <g00s> proq you have to make a copy of the theme
Apr 06 22:11:49 <proq> g00s: hmm... I don't see an option to do that
Apr 06 22:12:30 <proq> oh, I see.  I have to click "save as" first
Apr 06 22:13:40 <yiati> proq: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/navigating-to-action.html
Apr 06 22:13:51 <yiati> That will be your best friend
Apr 06 22:14:04 <lasserix> Whats the most efficient way of loading _a lot_ of text into a textview?
Apr 06 22:14:05 <proq> thanks
Apr 06 22:14:39 <groxx> g00s: never even heard of it.
Apr 06 22:15:29 <g00s> lasserix i think TacticalJoke knows about that; doing comments in his reddit reader
Apr 06 22:15:32 <yiati> lasserix: Is there any way other than just setText?
Apr 06 22:15:41 <lasserix> i dont know
Apr 06 22:15:50 <groxx> lasserix: ooh, that reminds me.  Romain Guy said that a TextPaint can be used off the main thread, so you could get the metrics and compute where to split / do custom drawing, entirely in the background
Apr 06 22:15:50 <lasserix> i just have likes terms of service + eula
Apr 06 22:15:54 <lasserix> it takes a while
Apr 06 22:16:09 <lasserix> hehe no that's too much work for something so simple, but if they complain i will remember thanks
Apr 06 22:16:13 <yiati> yeah I would imagine there are solutions that don't involve TextView
Apr 06 22:16:27 <groxx> lasserix: then maybe: split on \n\n and use a listview
Apr 06 22:16:54 <lasserix> clever but that wont work
Apr 06 22:16:59 <lasserix> i think its fine for now just was curious
Apr 06 22:17:00 <groxx> you can still have huge paragraphs, but it might speed up some parts
Apr 06 22:17:10 <lasserix> it hink its probably the linkify
Apr 06 22:17:10 <groxx> alas
Apr 06 22:17:22 <groxx> could be.  profile?
Apr 06 22:17:22 <john67> im testing my app in high way wikoit does work , but when i go on  a different phone the same brand but a lower model than mine it crashes, i dont get whats wrong. i think it comes from async task.
Apr 06 22:17:42 <john67> has any 1 had this problem before?
Apr 06 22:17:48 <lasserix> i really wish there was a mediacontroller implementation
Apr 06 22:18:21 <Gryd3-Shop> john67, you should have a better understanding of why it crashes...
Apr 06 22:18:27 <Gryd3-Shop> different android versions?
Apr 06 22:18:48 <john67> Gryd3-Shop: it use the same version,
Apr 06 22:18:53 <john67> thats whats funny
Apr 06 22:18:56 <lasserix> john67: probably you are calling a method that doesn't exist in earlier os
Apr 06 22:19:00 <lasserix> oh
Apr 06 22:19:01 <lasserix> nm
Apr 06 22:19:05 <pfn> huh, why is my custom view no longer left-aligned in the newest appcompat
Apr 06 22:19:17 <lasserix> post your stack trace john67
Apr 06 22:19:22 <Gryd3-Shop> john67, What model phones are they, and what android versions?
Apr 06 22:19:29 <Gryd3-Shop> full android version...
Apr 06 22:20:04 <john67> 4.4.2 for mine and the other which crashes is 4.4.2
Apr 06 22:20:31 <john67> lasserix: i just put the apk on the other phone
Apr 06 22:20:39 <Afzal> After KotterKnife, this ButterKnife.inject thing feels inconvenient :P /firstworlddevproblems
Apr 06 22:20:40 <john67> cant use that brand to developp
Apr 06 22:21:07 <john67> Gryd3-Shop: but my phone more powerfull than the other 1
Apr 06 22:21:08 <g00s> pfn O.o lol
Apr 06 22:21:50 <g00s> pfn there hasn't been a new appcompat in quite a while ...
Apr 06 22:22:02 <pfn> well, ever since it got updated to v21
Apr 06 22:22:13 <pfn> and there is an appcompat 22.0.0 ya know
Apr 06 22:22:29 <abara> hey guys how can i converte a array byte to String below the 19 api?
Apr 06 22:23:21 <g00s> isn't there like String(byte[] bytes) ?
Apr 06 22:23:38 <abara> g00s: yes, but i need to set encode to latin1
Apr 06 22:24:03 <g00s> if you convert bytes to string, you will have to set the locale no matter what
Apr 06 22:24:11 <g00s> even if its 8859-1
Apr 06 22:24:53 <abara> g00s: yes, but how? the new String( bytes , encode) do not work on api below 19
Apr 06 22:24:57 <groxx> abara: looks like `new String(bytes, Charset)` exists down to API 9
Apr 06 22:25:16 <pfn> hmm, contentInsetStart and contentInsetEnd
Apr 06 22:25:31 <MikeWallaceDev> so here's something that I didn't know...  CharSequence is an interface, not a class.  https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore/+/refs/heads/master/luni/src/main/java/java/lang/CharSequence.java
Apr 06 22:25:52 <groxx> heck, `new String(bytes, "charset_name")` is in APIv1 according to my docs
Apr 06 22:27:46 <pfn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26433409/android-lollipop-appcompat-actionbar-custom-view-doesnt-take-up-whole-screen-w
Apr 06 22:27:47 <pfn> interesting
Apr 06 22:29:08 <groxx> pfn: wat
Apr 06 22:30:59 <herriojr> anyone else have issues where android studio doesn't detect res/ changes for builds?
Apr 06 22:31:25 <pfn> MikeWallaceDev, and?
Apr 06 22:31:42 <MikeWallaceDev> and... The more you know.  :)
Apr 06 22:32:03 <MikeWallaceDev> I just always thought it was a class.  That dealt with characters.  It's not.
Apr 06 22:32:28 <MikeWallaceDev> I don't know what class actually does that, yet.
Apr 06 22:32:35 <MikeWallaceDev> And the search continues...
Apr 06 22:32:55 <pfn> Character?
Apr 06 22:33:07 <groxx> MikeWallaceDev: SpannableString
Apr 06 22:33:18 <MikeWallaceDev> I'll get there...
Apr 06 22:33:27 <groxx> ooh, this sounds fun: AlteredCharSequence
Apr 06 22:33:40 <groxx> hopefully there's a PrayIDontAlterItFurtherFactory
Apr 06 22:33:45 <JesusFreke> MikeWallaceDev: it's a level of abstraction above the string (e.g. String implements CharSequence)
Apr 06 22:34:14 <JesusFreke> and so does StringBuilder
Apr 06 22:34:30 <MikeWallaceDev> Makes sense JesusFreke , I just assumed it derived from CharSequence
Apr 06 22:34:56 <icedp> was just going to say that. MikeWallaceDev you can always looks subclasses at http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/CharSequence.html
Apr 06 22:35:39 <MikeWallaceDev> it's already opened in a tab icedp , that's when I saw that it's an interface
Apr 06 22:36:26 <icedp> MikeWallaceDev: okay, just was pointing out so to look up "what actually does that" there is a list of subclasses
Apr 06 22:37:12 <MikeWallaceDev> thanks, wasn't actually looking that up yet.  I'm looking at something else and just wanted to mention it.
Apr 06 22:39:21 <rodriguespt> So guys i wanna ask something kindda off-topic but in-topic.. I want to work with GitHub but I dont really got it @ the 1st. Anyone has knowledge of a good Tutorial/blog/video About that subject?
Apr 06 22:40:05 <pfn> rodriguespt, you mean git
Apr 06 22:40:20 <pfn> rodriguespt, any random git tutorial should work fine
Apr 06 22:40:25 <MikeWallaceDev> rodriguespt, first thing you have to understand is the difference between git and github
Apr 06 22:42:05 <Mattx> Hi
Apr 06 22:42:05 <Mattx> Haven't you had problems with google analytics? I'm doing this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8b8e1671900314551d50
Apr 06 22:42:19 <Mattx> for instance, when the user opens a section I call .track(context, "my_section")
Apr 06 22:42:30 <Mattx> but analytics shows nothing in Real Time
Apr 06 22:42:33 <Mattx> what am I missing?
Apr 06 22:43:42 <n20> Hello world!
Apr 06 22:43:47 <rodriguespt> I got git working.. but i didnt get the concept :(
Apr 06 22:43:59 <rodriguespt> the clone thing and others
Apr 06 22:44:02 <pfn> what's not to get
Apr 06 22:44:14 <n20> I tried looking through the design spec, but I couldn't really find what I was looking for. Are the ProgressBars (and so on) supposed to match the accent color of the app, or the primary one?
Apr 06 22:44:53 <Matip> I got disconnected and didn't receive any answer. I repeat my question about google analytics ^
Apr 06 22:46:07 <n20> rodriguespt: Have you been using any other scms in the past, or is git your first attempt? :-)
Apr 06 22:47:04 <rodriguespt> n20 my first
Apr 06 22:51:20 <TacticalJoke> If you're using AppCompat and you say "<android.widget.Spinner .../>" in XML, the view won't get tinted.  It literally searches for the string "Spinner".  :D
Apr 06 22:51:51 <groxx> D:
Apr 06 22:52:18 <TacticalJoke> From here: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/v7/appcompat/src/android/support/v7/internal/app/TintViewInflater.java#77
Apr 06 22:52:57 <n20> TacticalJoke: Hmm, aren't ProgressBars supposed to be tinted as well?!
Apr 06 22:53:12 <TacticalJoke> I don't believe so.  They just pick up a new look on Lollipop.
Apr 06 22:53:34 <TacticalJoke> (Like everything else.)
Apr 06 22:54:22 <n20> Roger that!
Apr 06 22:56:26 <groxx> TIL: when you have a text cursor in an edittext, you can tap on the "handle" below it to show the "paste" button.
Apr 06 22:57:25 <groxx> the inconsistent paste-button-visibility has bothered me pretty much since I started using Android.  and now I learn that there's a reliable way around it.  http://likegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/facepalm-gif-33.gif
Apr 06 22:58:37 <TacticalJoke> Nice.  And totally undiscoverable.  :)
Apr 06 22:58:54 <groxx> <3 undiscoverable features
Apr 06 22:59:03 <pfn> you mean press and holding in an edittext?
Apr 06 22:59:56 <groxx> pfn: nope.  that selects the word you're on.
Apr 06 23:00:04 <pfn> must be a custom rom feature
Apr 06 23:00:06 <pfn> doesn't do it on vanilla
Apr 06 23:00:34 <groxx> on vanilla it selects the word, and shows the editing actionbar.  and you can't shrink the selection to "nothing", so it _always_ replaces at least one letter.
Apr 06 23:00:56 <pfn> I see, I rarely want to paste in the middle of sometimes
Apr 06 23:00:59 <pfn> something
Apr 06 23:01:41 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, it's not working on my Tesco Hudl 2.  Is working on my Sony Xperia, though.
Apr 06 23:01:54 <groxx> obviously you don't construct emoji character-by-character ∑(O_O；)
Apr 06 23:02:19 <pfn> well, the paste thing always shows for me when I tap in the text...
Apr 06 23:02:37 <groxx> on the first tap, yeah.  try moving the cursor.
Apr 06 23:02:47 <groxx> or tapping elsewhere.  it goes away and stays away.
Apr 06 23:02:51 <pfn> indeed
Apr 06 23:02:59 <pfn> not a usecase I encounter
Apr 06 23:03:02 <pfn> but good find
Apr 06 23:03:08 <groxx> also, the paste-on-first-tap only appears if it's <short time period> after copying text.
Apr 06 23:03:42 <groxx> then you're back to long-pressing + forced to replace a letter.  or pasting at the end only.
Apr 06 23:03:45 <TacticalJoke> Oh.  I didn't have anything in my clipboard.
Apr 06 23:03:49 <TacticalJoke> Working on both devices after all.
Apr 06 23:07:38 <proq> I'm trying to apply filterTouchesWhenObscured via a style.xml but I can't seem to figure out how the settings work.  For starters, is <style name="WebViewContainer" parent="WebViewContainerBase"> the right place to put the setting?
Apr 06 23:09:43 <quinnjn> Anyone with OkHttp interceptor experience? I'm having issues trying to modify the User-Agent
Apr 06 23:09:53 <JakeWharton> define issues
Apr 06 23:10:35 <quinnjn> JakeWharton, I'll throw this into a gist
Apr 06 23:11:16 <quinnjn> JakeWharton, https://gist.github.com/quinnjn/33782567fa4a62d10691
Apr 06 23:12:16 <JakeWharton> that will add a second user agent header
Apr 06 23:12:38 <quinnjn> doesn't addHeader do that? I thought header() replaces
Apr 06 23:12:46 <JakeWharton> oh maybe it does
Apr 06 23:13:03 <JakeWharton> so it does
Apr 06 23:13:04 <JakeWharton> hmm
Apr 06 23:13:09 <proq> or could you explain how I "set the android:filterTouchesWhenObscured layout attribute to true"?  I don't quite understand how that works
Apr 06 23:13:58 <JakeWharton> quinnjn: hmm it should work
Apr 06 23:15:19 <quinnjn> JakeWharton, should :) Is the test working for you?
Apr 06 23:15:43 <JakeWharton> i can't run it right now
Apr 06 23:16:27 <JakeWharton> what is the error message? does the original user agent remain or is it null?
Apr 06 23:16:42 <quinnjn> it remains, expected:<[modified]> but was:<[default]>
Apr 06 23:17:34 <Matip> is it me or google analytics stopped working? I'm getting "We're sorry. The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again in a few minutes."
Apr 06 23:17:47 <Matip> it has been like that for an hour at least
Apr 06 23:20:05 <g00s> Matip yeah i just saw that
Apr 06 23:20:18 <Matip> ok, I'll wait then. thanks
Apr 06 23:20:27 <g00s> funny thing: i just implemented GA and tried it for the first time, wonder if this is "typical" - at least, not a good first impression hahaha
Apr 06 23:20:59 <Matip> oh, btw. do you know any ads company to replace admob? I only want to show ads about games on google play
Apr 06 23:21:28 <Matip> g00s, same here, I just implemented it for the very first time. still don't know if it is working on my app :P
Apr 06 23:21:48 <g00s> Matip by any chance, do you send events from a service ?
Apr 06 23:22:06 <Matip> no, I send screens
Apr 06 23:22:11 <g00s> ok thanks
Apr 06 23:23:23 <proq> hrm.  nevermind, I seem to have examples of webviews with layout settings already
Apr 06 23:23:35 <g00s> Matip sorry, no ideas about admob
Apr 06 23:23:55 <MikeWallaceDev> I know of Millenial Matip , no clue if they are good.
Apr 06 23:24:35 <Matip> what did flappy bird use?
Apr 06 23:24:48 <JakeWharton> quinnjn: can you just debug through it?
Apr 06 23:25:02 <JakeWharton> it should be happening inside Headers which calls removeAll(name); add(name, value);
Apr 06 23:25:08 <proq> lol.  wwfbd
Apr 06 23:25:26 <Matip> g00s, working again!
Apr 06 23:26:25 <g00s> i still see " resource is unavailable "
Apr 06 23:26:31 <g00s> i'll try again later
Apr 06 23:27:24 <groxx> unavailable here D:
Apr 06 23:30:41 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: am I researching correly, that picasso will autorotate based on EXIF to show correct side up?
Apr 06 23:30:46 <_genuser_> *correctly
Apr 06 23:30:55 <JakeWharton> only if loaded from content provider or file
Apr 06 23:31:18 <_genuser_> what content provider is the customer loader I wrote, for example?
Apr 06 23:31:28 <_genuser_> that returns a byte array of the JPEG data
Apr 06 23:31:29 <MikeWallaceDev> hey JakeWharton when are you coming up to Montreal?  Did you hear if there will be a beer or something before DroidCon?
Apr 06 23:31:47 <JakeWharton> yes, no, respectively
Apr 06 23:31:54 <JakeWharton> _genuser_: then no
Apr 06 23:32:13 <MikeWallaceDev> yes is not an answer to "when"  :D
Apr 06 23:32:22 <mrfu> awesome managed to get retrolambda to work on my home computer
Apr 06 23:32:30 <mrfu> don't know why it was bugging out at work
Apr 06 23:32:59 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: so then it's upto me to read the EXIF and request rotate. I think I am fine doing that.
Apr 06 23:35:17 <theGraeme> heh, hey MikeWallaceDev!  Good to see a familiar name in here.  :)
Apr 06 23:35:37 <MikeWallaceDev> that goes one way theGraeme :D
Apr 06 23:36:05 <MikeWallaceDev> videotron?
Apr 06 23:36:12 <theGraeme> You know me by face, not nick -- Android Montreal meetups.  :)
Apr 06 23:36:24 <MikeWallaceDev> oh, hi :)
Apr 06 23:36:37 <MikeWallaceDev> G+ profile?
Apr 06 23:36:48 <mrfu> is your name Jocelyn?
Apr 06 23:36:57 <MikeWallaceDev> oh no, we're back to this :D
Apr 06 23:37:00 <JakeWharton> MikeWallaceDev: oh, Wed night
Apr 06 23:37:04 <JakeWharton> I'm in Waterloo now
Apr 06 23:37:22 <MikeWallaceDev> wow, you're going to have to start paying taxes here JakeWharton :D
Apr 06 23:37:22 <mrfu> MikeWallaceDev: ;)
Apr 06 23:38:05 <_genuser_> I've never been to a con before. always sounds like tons of fun.
Apr 06 23:38:58 <MikeWallaceDev> mrfu, so yesterday, in the car, going to Easter dinner, I actually brought that up!!  And we all agreed (and laughed) : there's no equivalent of the "Jocelin" sound in English.
Apr 06 23:39:31 <MikeWallaceDev> _genuser_, This is the first big one in my back yard, I can't wait.  It's going to be awesome.
Apr 06 23:40:28 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: I would think so. I see comiccon, dragoncon, and all those and wonder if I should just go. but never happens.
Apr 06 23:40:59 <MikeWallaceDev> oh.  I only went to Android conventions :D   I/O and BABBQ
Apr 06 23:41:07 <MikeWallaceDev> They're great fun.
Apr 06 23:41:18 <g00s> hm, i haven't been to any conventions yet
Apr 06 23:41:28 <_genuser_> high five g00s
Apr 06 23:42:01 <_genuser_> I remember my boss being super excited about comdex back in teh day. she was more excited about vegas actually.
Apr 06 23:42:19 <JesusFreke> there's a conference all about dex files!? :D
Apr 06 23:43:01 <g00s> Matip i still get resource unavailable hmm
Apr 06 23:43:07 <_genuser_> no, that would be dexcon..
Apr 06 23:43:24 <JesusFreke> A... comference*
Apr 06 23:43:41 <_genuser_> heh. you reminded me of homer simpsons, "there's a NEW mexico?"
Apr 06 23:44:59 <MikeWallaceDev> JesusFreke, HAHAHAH  Good one :D
Apr 06 23:45:08 <g00s> there's a NEW build system ?
Apr 06 23:45:26 <MikeWallaceDev> JesusFreke, just saw the second play on words... Boooooooo!!!
Apr 06 23:46:03 <JesusFreke> MikeWallaceDev: I guess you can't win them all :)
Apr 06 23:46:18 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Apr 06 23:47:08 <_genuser_> heh, didn't mean to be party pooper. it was funny. I just went the route of being less funny.
Apr 06 23:47:49 <MikeWallaceDev> we all choose our own paths _genuser_
Apr 06 23:47:51 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Apr 06 23:48:09 <_genuser_> that's why I choose to more funny starting today. MOAR funny I say
Apr 06 23:48:27 <TacticalJoke> How does one more funny?
Apr 06 23:48:38 <g00s> by being tactical
Apr 06 23:48:58 <_genuser_> haha. to be more funny. typos have murdered the most amount of statements online. sigh
Apr 06 23:49:37 <MikeWallaceDev> g00s, I see what you did there
Apr 06 23:49:38 <JesusFreke> that's when you tie up your boat in a funny way, right?
Apr 06 23:50:41 <_genuser_> this new attempt as being cooler isn't working
Apr 06 23:50:57 <g00s> _genuser_ you need a material makeover
Apr 06 23:51:26 <TacticalJoke> Everyone's celebrating 10 years of Git.  I'm just sitting here straight-faced.
Apr 06 23:51:36 <_genuser_> oooh, or maybe more talent!!
Apr 06 23:51:52 <_genuser_> git's 10yo ?
Apr 06 23:52:08 <MikeWallaceDev> TacticalJoke, celebrating?  A code management system??  Get a life.
Apr 06 23:52:12 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, and 10 years of Mercurial.
Apr 06 23:52:19 <MikeWallaceDev> (then commit it to git)
Apr 06 23:52:21 <g00s> TacticalJoke 10 years of new git tutorials daily !
Apr 06 23:52:26 <TacticalJoke> :D
Apr 06 23:52:51 <_genuser_> nice, mercurial is what I use. altho, the mercurial plugin in AS seems a little broken.
Apr 06 23:52:52 <TacticalJoke> Git is actually the huge villain.  Without it, we'd have something way better.
Apr 06 23:53:02 <g00s> TacticalJoke lol, i'd say that about android
Apr 06 23:53:05 <_genuser_> we do, it's called mercurial.
Apr 06 23:53:14 <TacticalJoke> _genuser_:  Right.  But it's not popular because of Git.  ;|
Apr 06 23:53:28 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: can't aruge with you there.
Apr 06 23:53:56 <_genuser_> I know some people just use git because it's considered more nerdy.
Apr 06 23:53:57 <MikeWallaceDev> meh, I check files in, I check them out.  That's enough.
Apr 06 23:54:11 <lasserix> what makes mercurial better?
Apr 06 23:54:11 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: that's why I used Visual Source Safe for years and was happy with it.
Apr 06 23:54:20 <g00s> i saw a post today almost every git operation can be expressed as rebase
Apr 06 23:54:25 <TacticalJoke> Mercurial has a way nicer API, IMO.
Apr 06 23:54:28 <MikeWallaceDev> _genuser_, I never had a problem with VSS either...
Apr 06 23:54:29 <_genuser_> lasserix: for me personally, that it's less convoluted. or seemed so when I was starting out.
Apr 06 23:54:40 <MikeWallaceDev> I know others have though.  When the project gets too big
Apr 06 23:54:44 <TacticalJoke> Also, Evolve will blow everything else out of the water.
Apr 06 23:54:56 <TacticalJoke> I mean "UI", not "API".  lol
Apr 06 23:55:00 <TacticalJoke> But it also has a nice API.
Apr 06 23:55:10 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: yeah, we moved to TFS for a customer only and the rest were just keeping them on their laptops. no vcs.
Apr 06 23:55:13 <MikeWallaceDev> TacticalJoke, it will only blow out of the water if the kids find it cool...
Apr 06 23:55:26 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: so I installed mercurial and got a server backup location where we could push our stuff.
Apr 06 23:55:42 <g00s> TacticalJoke  lots of people use git probably because of github
Apr 06 23:55:43 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: every dev complained to the manager. one wrote an elaborate email who I'm lowering team productivity.
Apr 06 23:55:45 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 06 23:55:47 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm fine with git now.  I use SmartGit.
Apr 06 23:55:53 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: and in a fit of professionalism, my boss forwarded that to me.
Apr 06 23:56:08 <MikeWallaceDev> nice
Apr 06 23:56:21 <_genuser_> I use bitbucket with mercurial. altho, if mercurial wasn't an option, I'd probably be fine with git too.
Apr 06 23:56:28 <TacticalJoke> I wish they'd hurry up and release Evolve, though.
Apr 06 23:56:29 <Matip> g00s, I just checked again, the real time section is working
Apr 06 23:56:30 <TacticalJoke> Taking forever.
Apr 06 23:56:33 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm on bitbucket too...
Apr 06 23:56:37 <TacticalJoke> When I try to speed them up, they get annoyed.
Apr 06 23:56:49 <MikeWallaceDev> It's my main repository.
Apr 06 23:56:51 <TacticalJoke> _genuser_:  Yeah, I would have to grin and bear Git without Mercurial.
Apr 06 23:57:20 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: yeah, everytime I solve some problem in my code, I immeidately hg push out to bitbucket.
Apr 06 23:57:22 <quinnjn> JakeWharton, so I checked a proxy and the User-Agent is updated for the request. So the request runs correctly. Digging into why the response's request is different.
Apr 06 23:57:47 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: I did once create branches and confuse myself royally
Apr 06 23:57:55 <MikeWallaceDev> ah, so hg is Mercu................ awwww, hg, mercury, I see what you did there...
Apr 06 23:57:56 <_genuser_> that's when I went and read teh docs on branches to finally learn them properly.
Apr 06 23:58:41 <MikeWallaceDev> hg is supported in SmartGit.  It's actually called Smart Git/Hg.  I never knew what hg was...
Apr 06 23:58:46 <_genuser_> yeah, I stick with the command line despite many plugins. that way if an IDE doesn't have a specific plugin and I can't install it, I know what to do.
Apr 06 23:58:50 <TacticalJoke> I just use Git-style branching personally (bookmarks), but I think named branching might become a great thing when Evolve is released (because they'll be fully mutable).
Apr 06 23:59:02 <TacticalJoke> AA
Apr 06 23:59:04 <TacticalJoke> AFAIR*
Apr 06 23:59:57 <_genuser_> I find that AS somehow doesn't have an option to "add" files. or maybe I'm not seeing it. I have to add them from command line and then use the interface for checkin/checkout.
Apr 07 00:00:01 <g00s> Matip i think the awesomeness of my metrics destroyed GA
Apr 07 00:00:09 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I just use the command line.
Apr 07 00:00:13 <MikeWallaceDev> I don't use AS for git...
Apr 07 00:00:23 <MikeWallaceDev> command line or SmartGit
Apr 07 00:00:28 <TacticalJoke> Along with a diff viewer I created years ago (which is still nicer than anything else I've used :D).
Apr 07 00:00:35 <MikeWallaceDev> nice
Apr 07 00:00:35 * g00s <3 SourceTree
Apr 07 00:00:56 <MikeWallaceDev> yeah, I heard that source tree is nice too
Apr 07 00:01:22 <_genuser_> now that I'm using AS, I think I'll try to spend the time to move my main project to it.
Apr 07 00:01:54 <TacticalJoke> I wonder what the next thing in version-control technology will be.
Apr 07 00:02:06 <_genuser_> bluetooth!!
Apr 07 00:02:08 <TacticalJoke> One day, we'll look back on Mercurial and Git as we look back on Subversion today.
Apr 07 00:02:30 <_genuser_> I skipped the entire svn/cvs era. I was using visual source safe then.
Apr 07 00:02:42 <MikeWallaceDev> I look back at subversion like : I wonder why we don't use that? Worked fine.
Apr 07 00:02:48 <TacticalJoke> I used to love Subversion.  Was way, way better than CVS.
Apr 07 00:03:04 <TacticalJoke> MikeWallaceDev:  It sucks so much compared to distributed systems (for normal programming).
Apr 07 00:03:11 <TacticalJoke> Every commit is a push, basically.
Apr 07 00:03:21 <TacticalJoke> To the one and only repository.
Apr 07 00:03:26 <_genuser_> the c++ devs at our work used to seems very happy using cvs
Apr 07 00:03:40 <MikeWallaceDev> TacticalJoke, I only need one :D
Apr 07 00:03:51 <TacticalJoke> The way I use Mercurial is such that I create loads of private branches and mutate them over and over before finally pushing.
Apr 07 00:03:53 <_genuser_> altho, I had to explain distributed systems to my team. and they were just really really lost.
Apr 07 00:03:55 <MikeWallaceDev> as long as it's online, I'm fine.
Apr 07 00:03:57 <TacticalJoke> By the time I've pushed, they're neat.
Apr 07 00:04:03 <TacticalJoke> Before that, they were just a bunch of checkpoints.
Apr 07 00:04:06 <jaana> _genuser_: Time to look for a better teammates? :)
Apr 07 00:04:11 <TacticalJoke> MikeWallaceDev:  You're missing out.  :D
Apr 07 00:04:22 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm not missing out, I use git :D
Apr 07 00:04:27 <mrfu> Blackberry Version Control
Apr 07 00:04:29 <TacticalJoke> You can create three changesets to fix a bug, and then fold them into one and rebase.
Apr 07 00:04:38 <_genuser_> jaana: steady paycheck, less amount of work, boss who doesn't care.... makes it harder to move. :) more time for personal projects.
Apr 07 00:04:45 <TacticalJoke> Or you can create a changeset when you've got some good changes, amend that changeset when you have more, etc.
Apr 07 00:05:00 <MikeWallaceDev> meh.
Apr 07 00:05:03 <jaana> _genuser_: fair enough
Apr 07 00:05:06 <quinnjn> JakeWharton, ah the proceed chain updates the request, writes the headers to the Transport, but doesn't update the HttpEngine's networkRequest. so when the response is created in readNetworkResponse it sends the original request back. Going to open an issue
Apr 07 00:05:08 <_genuser_> jaana: I told my boss the benefits of using version contorl system. if he doesn't care and someone loses the entire project, I think he'll quickly start caring.
Apr 07 00:05:10 <MikeWallaceDev> I do my work, I check it in.
Apr 07 00:05:53 <_genuser_> yeah, I fix a bug or something I push out to server daily backed server.
Apr 07 00:06:06 <_genuser_> but otherwise, I checkin 20-30 times when I'm actively coding.
Apr 07 00:06:30 <_genuser_> my teammates have folders on the server with the entire code.
Apr 07 00:06:43 <_genuser_> gina1, gina2, gina3, gina4, etc. etc. literally like that.
Apr 07 00:07:17 <_genuser_> and the server is so full now, it's got a dialy error that it can't even download virus definition files. there's no space, lol.
Apr 07 00:07:18 <jaana> So sad
Apr 07 00:07:26 <MikeWallaceDev> hey, does anyone know if there is a chrome extension that shows formatted javadoc on the page?
Apr 07 00:07:42 <MikeWallaceDev> would be helpful when reading Android source code
Apr 07 00:07:47 <TacticalJoke> _genuser_:  God, that's bad.
Apr 07 00:07:55 <TacticalJoke> There are people who just refuse to use version control.
Apr 07 00:08:03 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: when my ex-programmer boss doesn't care, there's nothing you can do.
Apr 07 00:08:06 <TacticalJoke> And so they use manual "version control" which is worse in every possible way.
Apr 07 00:08:37 <_genuser_> he told me, I'm very unpleasant to work with, after I argued with him about team processes. So I thought it was time to stop before I get a reputation.
Apr 07 00:08:44 <_genuser_> and before it affects my yearly bonusses.
Apr 07 00:08:45 <TacticalJoke> The moment I learned about version control (even though it was CVS), I practically jumped for joy.  It was one of those "Finally" moments.
Apr 07 00:09:05 <MikeWallaceDev> I use Excel for my version control.  I copy paste my code into a new sheet with every bug fix.
Apr 07 00:09:13 <_genuser_> every man has a right to shoot himself in the foot.
Apr 07 00:09:29 <_genuser_> oh we use excel too.... for bug tracking.
Apr 07 00:09:37 <_genuser_> instead of, you know, a real issue tracker.
Apr 07 00:10:06 <_genuser_> 5 active devs update teh sheet and send to PM. she conlidates 5 excel sheet into one daily and sends it back out.
Apr 07 00:10:12 <MikeWallaceDev> They use a community for bug tracking the Montreal DroidCon app.  My jaw dropped.
Apr 07 00:10:39 <_genuser_> and there's not way to keep screenshots, logs with an issue.
Apr 07 00:10:40 <MikeWallaceDev> Dude, the Excel was supposed to be a joke.  I'm sorry man.
Apr 07 00:10:48 <TacticalJoke> _genuser_:  Wow, that's creative stupidity.
Apr 07 00:11:00 <_genuser_> MikeWallaceDev: unfortunately, my anecdote is real.
Apr 07 00:11:06 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: lol, that's a good one.
Apr 07 00:11:07 <TacticalJoke> You should write a sitcom about it.
Apr 07 00:11:36 <_genuser_> about 5 years ago, I realized I shouldn't stress over it. just go with teh flow and let people shoot themselves in the foot.
Apr 07 00:11:57 <_genuser_> I installed an issue tracker on my own teams server and told my boss about it. his response was, "nobody uses it."
Apr 07 00:12:05 <TacticalJoke> On the plus side, it sounds like you're the only person who should be working there.
Apr 07 00:12:11 <TacticalJoke> Or is that "on the downside"?  :D
Apr 07 00:12:26 <_genuser_> the only thing they use is wordpress blog, where each project gets it's own post and you add source code location, server credentials to it, etc.
Apr 07 00:13:01 <_genuser_> I honestly don't think of it that way anymore. I just think of it as steady paycheck, low work load, time to work on personal projects during the day.
Apr 07 00:13:18 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 07 00:13:31 <_genuser_> learn android, etc. etc. write extra fun stuff. log analyzers for work so other devs can enjoy an easy debugging workflow.
Apr 07 00:13:41 <TacticalJoke> If it pays the bills and you're comfortable, there's not much to complain about.
Apr 07 00:14:04 <_genuser_> I work from home, so it's isolating. I haven't seen my teammates in years.
Apr 07 00:14:15 <g00s> _genuser_ but you have us !
Apr 07 00:14:24 <_genuser_> group hug?
Apr 07 00:14:59 <_genuser_> lol, it does give me time to learn android, ask for help here, yap here, record music, draw, watch instructional videos, etc.
Apr 07 00:15:31 <_genuser_> or go for a long drive during the day if nothing's happening.
Apr 07 00:16:10 <_genuser_> wouldn't mind moving tho. would be nice to go in everyday. have office workers to socialize with.
Apr 07 00:22:21 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking: I wonder what features Android Studio will get in future?
Apr 07 00:22:28 <TacticalJoke> What else is there for them to implement?
Apr 07 00:23:08 <g00s> man, analytics is still down for me. if i just launched an app today, i'd be super pissed
Apr 07 00:23:52 <MikeWallaceDev> the gui editor is buggy as hell
Apr 07 00:24:14 <g00s> yeah, so they should just delete it
Apr 07 00:24:17 <MikeWallaceDev> I mean, I love AS, but that part..
Apr 07 00:24:42 <g00s> i'd like to see the project structure dialog get some useful shit, like giving me a breakdown of my libs by method count
Apr 07 00:24:56 <g00s> so i can see whats contributing what very easily
Apr 07 00:25:37 <g00s> MikeWallaceDev the little cpu & memory monitor are cool, hopefully they will keep improving the memory tooling though
Apr 07 00:26:00 <g00s> like, not having to export things to load into MAT
Apr 07 00:26:00 <MikeWallaceDev> yeah, there's still lots they can do.  It's awesome though, I'm a fan :)
Apr 07 00:26:46 <Candyman> some friend of mine asked me, what parts in the code could be wrong ;]
Apr 07 00:26:47 <Candyman> http://pastebin.com/L8AnUg9c
Apr 07 00:28:06 <pfn> _genuser_, I prefer the work from home scenario
Apr 07 00:28:28 <TacticalJoke> The JetBrains people are putting quite a lot of effort into Android support.  I almost get the feeling they've got an agreement going with the Android Studio people.
Apr 07 00:28:50 <TacticalJoke> Would they put all that effort in if, for example, Jack & Jill might cause problems in future?
Apr 07 00:29:38 <pfn> you can always go to a shared space to work if you feel isolated
Apr 07 00:29:41 <TacticalJoke> Candyman:  It'd be easier to help if you stated what the problem was.
Apr 07 00:31:17 <mrfu> TacticalJoke: Maybe there is some backroom deal to make Kotlin the new swift
Apr 07 00:31:35 <mrfu> would be nice to own a language for a mobile ecosystem
Apr 07 00:32:05 <Candyman> TacticalJoke: the problem is to determine what could be wrong in this code, its some kind of coding riddle for understanding
Apr 07 00:32:38 <mrfu> is some friend your professor?
Apr 07 00:33:19 <pfn> so I uncovered some awesome bugs in my build system today
Apr 07 00:33:22 <TacticalJoke> Candyman:  The first thing that hit me was the static Activity field.
Apr 07 00:34:05 <Candyman> TacticalJoke: what about it
Apr 07 00:35:34 <TacticalJoke> Candyman:  You tell me.  :D
Apr 07 00:35:41 <TacticalJoke> Riddle me that!
Apr 07 00:36:38 <Candyman> i actually do not know the exact answer hehe, but it seems interesting ;]
Apr 07 00:38:48 <Candyman> mrfu: no m8 he is not exactly a professor but he is teaching stuff in some college
Apr 07 00:39:03 <lasserix> Candyman: thats some nice coding
Apr 07 00:42:08 <TacticalJoke> Candyman:  Why are you asking on behalf of a friend?
Apr 07 00:42:24 <TacticalJoke> I can't imagine asking a friend of mine "Hey, can you go on IRC and ask a programming question for me".
Apr 07 00:42:52 <TacticalJoke> I guess I'm more intrigued in the back story than by the posted code.
Apr 07 00:45:15 <Candyman> well :) its not like that, he asked me to answer what could be wrong with this code and after some long thinking i decided to ask someone else hehe ;]
Apr 07 00:46:39 <pfn> Candyman, threads OP
Apr 07 00:46:43 <pfn> that is all
Apr 07 00:47:12 <Candyman> pfn: can you elaborate
Apr 07 00:47:37 <pfn> Candyman, updating UI from the wrong thread
Apr 07 00:48:07 <pfn> Candyman, oh, and that code is terrible, using static scope = bad
Apr 07 00:50:21 <pfn> https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#
Apr 07 00:50:25 <pfn> oh yeah, that thing was hilarious
Apr 07 00:52:01 <Candyman> hehe ;] looks nice
Apr 07 00:53:55 <myke> uh
Apr 07 00:54:03 <myke> by friend do my mean "professor"
Apr 07 00:54:27 <myke> and by "asked me to/look at it" do you mean "gave me a homework assignment" ?
Apr 07 00:55:15 <myke> also since when is leading underscore for members a java convention?
Apr 07 00:55:49 <Candyman> mmaybe it looks like this but i can assure you that it is not the case ;]
Apr 07 00:57:03 <myke> oh well!  carry on then, seems legit...
Apr 07 01:09:45 <DadFoundMy> FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Apr 07 01:09:53 <DadFoundMy> I CANT UPDATE MY APP FROM THIS LAPTOP
Apr 07 01:09:56 <DadFoundMy> IM FUCKED
Apr 07 01:10:28 <DadFoundMy> i didn't bring my store key and now i cant update, and i really fucking need to and now im fucked
Apr 07 01:12:17 <ashwink005> guys has anyone tried setGravity() on TextView programmatically? only center horizontal seems to be working..
Apr 07 01:13:02 <pfn> because there's several different gravities at play, layout and view
Apr 07 01:14:13 <ashwink005> I'm including the textView inside a custom ViewGroup. Instantiating them programmatically and adding to the group.
Apr 07 01:14:26 <ashwink005> I haven't used any gravity constants on the ViewGroup
Apr 07 01:14:39 <DadFoundMy> my app has 200 isntalls right now i think i will lose them all by friday :/
Apr 07 01:15:20 <ashwink005> ^lol
Apr 07 01:17:08 <ashwink005> pfn: any help bro..? :(
Apr 07 01:17:46 <JesusFreke> DadFoundMy: I keep mine in my lastpass database - always available :)
Apr 07 01:17:53 <pfn> ashwink005, I already gave you your answer
Apr 07 01:18:11 <pfn> JesusFreke, that's a good idea
Apr 07 01:18:23 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: i didnt even know i needed it to update. I should have read the fucking publishing guidelines
Apr 07 01:18:30 <pfn> I should shove them into keepass
Apr 07 01:18:39 <DadFoundMy> god this is going to eat at me for days until i get home :/
Apr 07 01:18:58 <ashwink005> pfn: but the layout is custom ViewGroup. If I haven't applied any gravity constants on it then why should it interfere?
Apr 07 01:19:16 <JesusFreke> DadFoundMy: yeah, your publishing key is rather important :)
Apr 07 01:19:19 <pfn> ashwink005, that's not for me to answer, you need to give evidence of what you're doing
Apr 07 01:19:29 <pfn> the need isn't for me to brainstorm answers for what I don't know
Apr 07 01:19:39 <JesusFreke> You definitely don't want to lose it. or accidentally publish it publicly :)
Apr 07 01:19:52 <ashwink005> yeah ur right.
Apr 07 01:19:55 <DadFoundMy> what happens if you publish it privately?
Apr 07 01:20:01 <DadFoundMy> dont they still need your login?
Apr 07 01:20:47 <JesusFreke> for the play store, yes. but there's nothing stopping someone from writing an "upgrade" app that can be sideloaded, over your actual app.
Apr 07 01:21:19 <DadFoundMy> ohhh
Apr 07 01:21:59 <_genuser_> are you talking about just loading the .apk file directly?
Apr 07 01:22:06 <_genuser_> outside of the play store?
Apr 07 01:22:09 <JesusFreke> yes
Apr 07 01:22:26 <_genuser_> just thought oh hey is there some official "sideloading" options?
Apr 07 01:22:42 <pfn> sure
Apr 07 01:22:49 <pfn> disable "trusted sources"
Apr 07 01:22:50 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: it might not be likely, but its possible for it to happen
Apr 07 01:22:50 <_genuser_> for a long time, even my testing was done by pushing apk to server, copying it over wifi and installing it.
Apr 07 01:22:53 <pfn> and you have official side loading
Apr 07 01:22:56 <DadFoundMy> some users are realllllllly stupid
Apr 07 01:23:13 <DadFoundMy> and some companies do that for unoffical builds/betas for some reason
Apr 07 01:23:21 <_genuser_> then I finally installed the samsung drivers for my phone. and now so much nicer. just plug it in and hit run from eclipse/AS
Apr 07 01:23:26 <DadFoundMy> minuum keyboard does it alot for some reason
Apr 07 01:23:43 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: why would you do that tto yourself
Apr 07 01:23:45 <DadFoundMy> ?
Apr 07 01:23:58 <_genuser_> I was lazy originally. and didn't want to install the entire keis software package.
Apr 07 01:24:07 <pfn> don't need kies...
Apr 07 01:24:10 <_genuser_> then I found the link to just the drivers. and figured, why am I doing this?
Apr 07 01:24:16 <pfn> just edit the usb_driver.inf and add your vendor/dev-id
Apr 07 01:24:18 <DadFoundMy> >Lazy
Apr 07 01:24:26 <DadFoundMy> >Installs .apks to remotes servers
Apr 07 01:24:27 <pfn> I have never downloaded any device drivers for any of my android phones
Apr 07 01:24:39 <pfn> just edit the google usb_driver .inf and problem solved
Apr 07 01:25:02 <DadFoundMy> pfn: neato, im going to try that next time i buy a samshit :D
Apr 07 01:25:03 <_genuser_> edit google usb_driver.inf? where is this alleged file allegedly located?
Apr 07 01:25:11 <pfn> _genuser_, in the android sdk
Apr 07 01:25:27 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: alledgely in the android-sdk folder
Apr 07 01:25:27 <JesusFreke> ^ allegedly
Apr 07 01:25:33 <pfn> $ANDROID_HOME/google-usb_driver
Apr 07 01:25:35 <pfn> problem solved
Apr 07 01:26:00 <_genuser_> mine's in the extras, I see it.
Apr 07 01:26:05 <DadFoundMy> pfn: ALLEGEDLY!!!
Apr 07 01:26:12 <_genuser_> allegedly, of course.
Apr 07 01:26:22 <DadFoundMy> thats better
Apr 07 01:26:27 * JesusFreke allegedly kicks the dead horse
Apr 07 01:27:34 <DadFoundMy> so a buddy of mine and i thought of an idea we think might actually be good, that people might use. The only problem is that implementing the app requires us to use a paid api.  Would it be a shitty idea to do a kickstarter?
Apr 07 01:28:09 <icedp> JesusFreke: how do you store you key in lastpass? exported as plaintext?
Apr 07 01:28:10 <DadFoundMy> I think people might "connect" to it since we're both still in high school but look like 12 year olds
Apr 07 01:28:12 <_genuser_> depends on how you sell it.
Apr 07 01:28:31 <_genuser_> people are running kickstarter campaigns for their music albums.
Apr 07 01:28:52 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: well it will be free (with ads). buying into the kickstarter will give access to premium version, and maybe a beta tester program?
Apr 07 01:28:53 <_genuser_> if your ideas has merit, people will gladly help. but you have to made a nice, coherent, relatable video.
Apr 07 01:29:00 <JesusFreke> icedp: as a "secure note" - which you can add binary attachments to
Apr 07 01:29:36 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: well we're deffinetly doing it out of good intentions :D not just to make money quick as we both think its a good idea that we're pasionate about
Apr 07 01:30:09 <icedp> JesusFreke: whoa, didn't know about attachments, thanks
Apr 07 01:30:39 <JesusFreke> DadFoundMy: you could give it a shot. Even if it doesn't get funded, it would be a good learning experience :)
Apr 07 01:31:10 <_genuser_> pfn: I only one android_winusb.inf
Apr 07 01:31:10 <JesusFreke> Just be sure that you'll be able to deliver :)
Apr 07 01:31:13 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: what if it has the opposite effect though? ive seen some kick starters start to get bashed for something stupid, and i cant tell if the project could ever recover
Apr 07 01:31:34 <pfn> _genuser_, what about it? that's all you need
Apr 07 01:31:36 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: yeah we already have a semi working PoC, and would refine it before the kickstarter
Apr 07 01:31:41 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: ain't nothing wrong with making money. people will have you feel bad about making money with their self-righteous poverty
Apr 07 01:31:41 <JesusFreke> DadFoundMy: see: learning experience :)
Apr 07 01:31:49 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: good point :D
Apr 07 01:31:58 <_genuser_> pfn: sorry, I meant what do I do in here? allegedly....
Apr 07 01:32:14 <pfn> _genuser_, put in your vendor id and device id into the file for the appropriate section
Apr 07 01:32:21 <DadFoundMy> i was going to use PhoneBlocs as an example of a failed kickstarter but it seems the were hired by google to work on project ara soooo...
Apr 07 01:32:21 <pfn> anyway, i'm not gonna teach right now
Apr 07 01:32:45 <DadFoundMy> pfn: charge him. make him pay in reddit karma
Apr 07 01:32:46 <_genuser_> pfn: oh, I see. I can find the device id and vendor ids and try them on a machine where I didn't already install the driver.
Apr 07 01:32:57 <_genuser_> pfn: thanks for mentioning that. I kinda dislike having to install tons of drivers.
Apr 07 01:33:24 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: lol reddit. I don't have reddit account or addiction
Apr 07 01:34:07 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: im pretty sure if i didnt suse reddit i would be like 10x farther with my life
Apr 07 01:34:25 <JesusFreke> == irc
Apr 07 01:34:26 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: failed shmailed. if you got an idea go for it.
Apr 07 01:34:34 <_genuser_> or you could always join my app and work as a coder.
Apr 07 01:34:39 <JesusFreke> actually, that's not true
Apr 07 01:34:46 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: with pay :D
Apr 07 01:34:47 <JesusFreke> irc helped get one of my previous jobs
Apr 07 01:34:51 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: for a 16 year old :D
Apr 07 01:35:03 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: irc actually made me a decent ammount of money
Apr 07 01:35:03 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: no pay!! equity....
Apr 07 01:35:05 <_genuser_> :p
Apr 07 01:35:17 <DadFoundMy> JesusFreke: i used to trade bitcoin and got a toonn of help from irc
Apr 07 01:35:33 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: oh bitcoin. how it has dropped in price
Apr 07 01:35:35 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: YAYYYY EQUITYYYY
Apr 07 01:35:57 <_genuser_> you really should have heard my idea first... then negotiated
Apr 07 01:36:05 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: you only lose money if you sell out..... or atleast thats what i tell myself
Apr 07 01:36:21 <DadFoundMy> bitcoin can drop to $0 and i would still be profitable though so im happy
Apr 07 01:36:25 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: yeah if you have free bitcoin, just hold on. why not.
Apr 07 01:36:37 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: feel free to pm me the idea, maybe ill like it :D
Apr 07 01:36:48 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: yeah a lot of it i got from creating content
Apr 07 01:36:53 <_genuser_> I had mined some and written and published an android app for it (free). but then I lost interest in it. altho the app is still out there.
Apr 07 01:36:56 <sajjadg> my android sdk manager doesn't list packages other than those that are already installed. I googled and check the answers but none of them works for me.
Apr 07 01:37:10 <DadFoundMy> sajjadg: the android studio one or eclipse one?
Apr 07 01:37:36 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: heh, the idea was just create anything that can be addictive to 13yo girls. the demographics with the most free time and willingness to be addicted AND spend money.
Apr 07 01:38:06 <DadFoundMy> im in where do i sell my soul away?
Apr 07 01:38:20 <sajjadg> android sdk tools and android studio. I tried both of them.
Apr 07 01:38:30 <_genuser_> heh, first think of the addiction we'll create.
Apr 07 01:38:36 <_genuser_> lol.
Apr 07 01:38:46 <_genuser_> appanretly girl bullying platforms get really popular.
Apr 07 01:38:46 <TacticalJoke> sajjadg:  Do you have one of the check boxes checked?
Apr 07 01:39:00 <sajjadg> I tried all the combinations
Apr 07 01:39:11 <TacticalJoke> If my app nurtures reddit addictions, I will have been successful.
Apr 07 01:39:28 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: how's your reddit app going anyway?
Apr 07 01:39:35 <TacticalJoke> It's nurturing my addiction.  :D
Apr 07 01:39:40 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: support 150+ subs yet :D ?
Apr 07 01:39:51 <TacticalJoke> Oh, no.
Apr 07 01:39:54 <_genuser_> my main goal is to write anything that can be used by more than the 50 people that used my previous app.
Apr 07 01:40:01 <DadFoundMy> well i guess i cant use it then :/
Apr 07 01:40:21 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: i got 200 on my first app i just released! im super happy with it
Apr 07 01:40:23 <TacticalJoke> I'll have to support it for crazy redditors who have 101+ subreddits.  :D
Apr 07 01:40:33 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: yeah screw those guys ....
Apr 07 01:40:34 <TacticalJoke> I wonder how many reddit apps support more than 100.  I bet not many.
Apr 07 01:40:45 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: RedditSync does
Apr 07 01:40:47 <myke> how many feddit apps are there now, ballpark?
Apr 07 01:40:48 <TacticalJoke> Because it takes a lot of effort to go above 100 (because of how bad that API method is).
Apr 07 01:40:54 <myke> reddit
Apr 07 01:40:58 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: yeah, I was going to mentino on litecoin and altcoin forums. but didn't my 50 were only due to talking to people directly.
Apr 07 01:41:00 <TacticalJoke> myke:  How many good ones are there?
Apr 07 01:41:04 <TacticalJoke> I'm gonna go with 0.
Apr 07 01:41:04 <DadFoundMy> myke: a lot, but thats a good thing because they build off of eachother
Apr 07 01:41:11 <myke> TacticalJoke: ouch
Apr 07 01:41:14 <groxx> TacticalJoke: nurturing. like suckling on crack, yeah
Apr 07 01:41:18 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: really i think RedditSync is great
Apr 07 01:41:37 <TacticalJoke> I don't mind Sync for reddit (tm).  But I don't like any of them very much.
Apr 07 01:41:48 <DadFoundMy> oh yeah i forgot about the name cahnge
Apr 07 01:41:52 <TacticalJoke> They all waste screen space and stuff.
Apr 07 01:42:01 <DadFoundMy> s/change/cahnge
Apr 07 01:42:02 <TacticalJoke> And be all laggy.
Apr 07 01:42:26 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: do you have a working version of yours i could test out?
Apr 07 01:42:26 <TacticalJoke> This is good inspiration for a reddit app: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
Apr 07 01:42:29 <sajjadg> first I installed and.studio and tried to installed the SDK by its wizard. but I failed. then I got the and.sdk.tool and tried to get the packages by it. I got some of em and then it got stocked!!! then i checked and.studio and it was ok downloading the 21 api ! not 22. and after getting some necessary packages it stopped and when I reload it it doesn't show anything except those packages installed.
Apr 07 01:42:55 <TacticalJoke> Kinda, but not yet.
Apr 07 01:43:08 <TacticalJoke> I'd like your feedback especially.  You seem to be a reddit veteran.
Apr 07 01:43:09 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: yeah but that looks nothing like the super complicated and graphicly intensive reddit.com homepage /s
Apr 07 01:43:16 <TacticalJoke> :D
Apr 07 01:43:23 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: I'm kinda an expert
Apr 07 01:43:25 <TacticalJoke> Also, your age is good for a tester.  So many redditors are your age.
Apr 07 01:43:36 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: ya i'd totally test it out for you
Apr 07 01:43:40 <TacticalJoke> Thanks.  :D
Apr 07 01:43:44 <DadFoundMy> ive used most of the popular apps out there
Apr 07 01:43:50 <DadFoundMy> only one ive liked so far wwas sync
Apr 07 01:43:52 <TacticalJoke> Your feedback will probably be better than mine.  lol
Apr 07 01:44:06 <TacticalJoke> Have you tried RedReader?
Apr 07 01:44:16 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: nope ill check it out now though
Apr 07 01:44:16 <TacticalJoke> It's not amazing, but it's not as bad as some.
Apr 07 01:44:36 <DadFoundMy> another great thing about sync is that the dev is super active on it's subreddit.  You should do that :D
Apr 07 01:44:50 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'll do that if I have time.
Apr 07 01:45:02 <CedricBeust> I uninstalled RedReader because it didn't seem to be a lot of updates any more. I've been using Relay for reddit for a while now and it's holding up quite well
Apr 07 01:45:13 <DadFoundMy> from the screen shots it looks the same as sync :D
Apr 07 01:45:17 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, RedReader's gone kinda quiet.
Apr 07 01:45:22 <TacticalJoke> He also needs to update the login thing.
Apr 07 01:45:25 <DadFoundMy> the greatest thing about sync in the inline picture viewer in list mode
Apr 07 01:45:36 <TacticalJoke> The album viewer?
Apr 07 01:45:37 <DadFoundMy> its open source too!
Apr 07 01:45:45 <TacticalJoke> Sync is open source?
Apr 07 01:45:49 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: no the the inline one
Apr 07 01:45:53 <DadFoundMy> ill find a screen shot one sec
Apr 07 01:46:11 <DadFoundMy> http://cdn.appstorm.net/android.appstorm.net/files/2012/10/reddit-sync.jpg
Apr 07 01:46:29 <_genuser_> lol https://plus.google.com/100194118940883974826/posts/6t8gB7AjnaL
Apr 07 01:46:30 <TacticalJoke> Oh.
Apr 07 01:46:34 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: no the red one is
Apr 07 01:46:52 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 07 01:47:01 <TacticalJoke> RedReader's code isn't great.  So inefficient in so many places.
Apr 07 01:47:21 <DadFoundMy> im sure everyone would say the same thing about my code if they chcecked my github
Apr 07 01:47:24 <g00s> TacticalJoke but dont forget, its shipped !
Apr 07 01:47:25 <TacticalJoke> Though it's inventive.  I also like how he wrote basically everything from scratch.
Apr 07 01:47:33 <_genuser_> that's why you do'nt publish your code...
Apr 07 01:47:33 <g00s> bad shipped code > awesome unshipped code
Apr 07 01:47:37 <DadFoundMy> i think i have an excuse though, this was my first app
Apr 07 01:47:38 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  True.
Apr 07 01:47:55 <TacticalJoke> RedReader's UI is nice, IMO.  Minimalistic.
Apr 07 01:48:04 <TacticalJoke> No bullshit; just reddit.
Apr 07 01:48:07 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: you use RES right?
Apr 07 01:48:13 <TacticalJoke> I used to.
Apr 07 01:48:22 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: really? how do you live without it?
Apr 07 01:48:31 <TacticalJoke> I disable *all* subreddit styles.  :D
Apr 07 01:48:34 <_genuser_> are these reddit readers?
Apr 07 01:48:35 <TacticalJoke> And don't get PMs from anyone.
Apr 07 01:48:41 <DadFoundMy> i was going to say try to make your app like that, but i think you would disagree
Apr 07 01:48:53 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: so do i, what does res have to do with that
Apr 07 01:48:59 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I should certainly take inspiration from RES.
Apr 07 01:49:12 <g00s> Matip man, still having grouble with GA
Apr 07 01:49:13 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: the inline pic viewer on RES is life changing
Apr 07 01:49:22 <DadFoundMy> also for a while you needed it to disable css
Apr 07 01:50:10 <TacticalJoke> I hate how, when you click an image in Sync, it opens in a semi-transparent activity.
Apr 07 01:50:15 <TacticalJoke> You can't concentrate on the image.
Apr 07 01:50:46 <TacticalJoke> DadFoundMy:  When I open Sync, I just see cards with big-ish images.
Apr 07 01:50:57 <DadFoundMy> i dont think it's thaaat bad, but i deff think it would be better with it just black or grey
Apr 07 01:51:04 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: in the menu switch the view to list
Apr 07 01:51:08 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: its 10x better
Apr 07 01:51:25 <DadFoundMy> looks alot like redreader in list mode
Apr 07 01:51:29 <_genuser_> lol @ bill murray, Every pizza has the potential to be a personal pizza if you believe in yourself.
Apr 07 01:51:31 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I got it.
Apr 07 01:52:13 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that's neat.
Apr 07 01:52:28 <DadFoundMy> another complaint about sync is that the menu for each post is still holo when the rest of the app is material
Apr 07 01:52:34 <TacticalJoke> It's inconsistent, though: if the image is an animation, it opens the activity.
Apr 07 01:52:45 <TacticalJoke> And it's hard or impossible to tell in advance.
Apr 07 01:53:10 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: agreed. there used to be seperate icons, i dont know why he changed it
Apr 07 01:53:34 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure whether I'll implement it.  It's not so great on my small screen.
Apr 07 01:53:47 <TacticalJoke> The images are just too big to be comfortable.
Apr 07 01:53:55 <TacticalJoke> Though it's definitely worth considering.
Apr 07 01:54:00 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: i would atleast make it an option. it is the number 1 feature about sync i love
Apr 07 01:54:06 <DadFoundMy> same thing with RES
Apr 07 01:54:24 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I'll add it to my issue tracker.  Thanks.  :D
Apr 07 01:54:34 <DadFoundMy> also he pre caches images and posts which i think is important to keep it fast, exspecially on shitty networks
Apr 07 01:54:47 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: np, im just glad my redditing paid off for someone
Apr 07 01:54:51 <_genuser_> ugh, alright time to download tax software and get started...
Apr 07 01:55:02 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: why? just dont do them
Apr 07 01:55:15 <DadFoundMy> ive heard its an easy trick to make money
Apr 07 01:55:20 <_genuser_> DadFoundMy: apparently IRS the only instituation in this country that nobody messes with.
Apr 07 01:55:38 <DadFoundMy> _genuser_: except for scientology
Apr 07 01:55:50 <TacticalJoke> DadFoundMy:  What do you think about the fact that you have to long-click to collapse comments?
Apr 07 01:55:54 <_genuser_> taht's one easy. don't insult tom cruise.
Apr 07 01:55:59 <TacticalJoke> IMO, collapsing comments should be a first-class citizen.
Apr 07 01:56:02 <g00s> and the guys who chase down bad paper (collectors)
Apr 07 01:56:24 <DadFoundMy> scienctology litterly broke into the irs, stole a shitton of documents, and then somehow were rewarded with tax exempt status and no legal trouble
Apr 07 01:56:37 <_genuser_> I think I'll do them in jan, every year.
Apr 07 01:56:43 <_genuser_> then I think by feb, will be done with them.
Apr 07 01:56:51 <_genuser_> then apr, week before 15th, I'm thinking I should really get started.
Apr 07 01:56:54 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: i personally turn that feature off. Another great feature of sync though is comment arrows.  its aa setting, but you should check it out
Apr 07 01:57:30 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: i think if someone was to want to hide comments though it would probably be old a long press
Apr 07 01:59:07 <TacticalJoke> The comment-arrows thing is all right, but it's kinda fiddly.
Apr 07 01:59:18 <TacticalJoke> I think it's an attempt to make up for the fact that collapsing comments takes so long.
Apr 07 01:59:24 <DadFoundMy> yup it used to work perfectly, i dont know what he changed
Apr 07 01:59:42 <DadFoundMy> also the FAB gets in the way now
Apr 07 02:01:38 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that's annoying.
Apr 07 02:01:54 <_genuser_> why do people even ask for your name online for downloading. do'nt they know they'll get a fake?
Apr 07 02:02:08 <TacticalJoke> What a waste of screen space.
Apr 07 02:04:15 <TacticalJoke> DadFoundMy:  Stuff like that just makes me hate apps.
Apr 07 02:04:16 <g00s> cool i just found http://www.google.com/appsstatus
Apr 07 02:04:17 <TacticalJoke> It's just pointless noise.
Apr 07 02:04:44 <g00s> so i'm not crazy that GA is down
Apr 07 02:05:35 <g00s> they just blew they four 9's uptime for the year :)
Apr 07 02:05:58 <g00s> then again, who knows what they actually aim for haha
Apr 07 02:07:11 <lewellyn> "one nine"
Apr 07 02:07:27 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: you dont like fab's?
Apr 07 02:07:30 <DadFoundMy> or pointless fabs
Apr 07 02:07:31 <lewellyn> "we hit 89.4234%! that's got a nine!"
Apr 07 02:07:33 <TacticalJoke> Pointless ones.
Apr 07 02:07:38 <DadFoundMy> because the sync fab is reallly stupid
Apr 07 02:07:40 <g00s> lewellyn ha
Apr 07 02:07:41 <TacticalJoke> No reddit app should show a FAB for the post list or comment list.
Apr 07 02:08:17 <DadFoundMy> how often do to most people post on reddit? why the fuck do you need a button on screen all the time for it. atleast he lets us disable it
Apr 07 02:08:34 <DadFoundMy> i think my fab is pretty useful considering the entire app is based around creating assignments
Apr 07 02:08:36 * lewellyn never posts on reddit :)
Apr 07 02:08:41 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I so rarely post.
Apr 07 02:08:44 <DadFoundMy> lewellyn: same i barely do
Apr 07 02:08:55 <lewellyn> no, as in i actively avoid reddit and have no account.
Apr 07 02:08:58 <DadFoundMy> proof right there that it's a stupid feature
Apr 07 02:09:27 <DadFoundMy> lewellyn: Dont ever go on there. It will become 4 years later and you'll realize you've wasted so much of your life
Apr 07 02:09:28 <lewellyn> people tell me "you'll eventually have to give in!" but they said the same about digg too.
Apr 07 02:09:52 <DadFoundMy> also in the early days reddit kindaaaa made me a dick. or atleast i think it did
Apr 07 02:10:09 <lewellyn> i don't really have time for irc, nevermind utter uselessness.
Apr 07 02:10:17 <TacticalJoke> ./r/programming is good.
Apr 07 02:10:35 <TacticalJoke> DadFoundMy:  There are plenty of awful people on there.
Apr 07 02:10:38 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: you mean hackernews reposts?
Apr 07 02:10:56 <TacticalJoke> Pretty much "the best of HN", yeah.
Apr 07 02:11:09 <_genuser_> forgot I should turn off AS first, lol.
Apr 07 02:11:15 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: yup. when i first discovered reddit i found /r/atheism... it wasnt a pretty 3 weeks in my life :/
Apr 07 02:11:17 <TacticalJoke> HN is so awful, UI-wise.
Apr 07 02:11:20 <TacticalJoke> Can't even collapse comments.
Apr 07 02:11:24 <DadFoundMy> i surprised all my friends didnt leave me
Apr 07 02:11:39 <TacticalJoke> I subscribe to that.  lol
Apr 07 02:11:58 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: yeah but do you go up to everyone talking about what you leanred there?
Apr 07 02:12:06 <TacticalJoke> Though the last time I posted there I got into a huge argument with their leader, and I got downvoted into oblivion.
Apr 07 02:12:13 <DadFoundMy> cuz i kinda did for like 2 weeks in 7th grade
Apr 07 02:12:16 <duncannz> "Create the following directory /src/com/android/vending/billing and copy the IInAppBillingService.aidl file into this directory."
Apr 07 02:12:16 <TacticalJoke> I forget the guy's name, but they worshipped him.
Apr 07 02:12:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke what was this ?
Apr 07 02:12:31 <duncannz> oops enter too early
Apr 07 02:12:39 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: was it before or after the big contrevsey?
Apr 07 02:12:45 <DadFoundMy> where /r/atheism lost it's may mays
Apr 07 02:13:00 <TacticalJoke> On /r/atheism.  They used to hero-worship some guy, and I disagreed with him about philosophy (I think metaethics) and got dog piled pretty bad.  :D
Apr 07 02:13:00 <DadFoundMy> btw im still laughing at that site you linked TacticalJoke
Apr 07 02:13:19 <TacticalJoke> Oh, that was dumb for them to remove the images.  The images were all they had going.  :D
Apr 07 02:13:27 <duncannz> "Create the following directory /src/com/android/vending/billing and copy the IInAppBillingService.aidl file into this directory." - is this equivalent to /app/src/main/java/com/android/vending/billing nowadays? or something else?
Apr 07 02:13:38 <g00s> reddit is a shitpile
Apr 07 02:13:50 <g00s> and its also, like HN, now a failed experiment at voting
Apr 07 02:13:52 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: that drama was so funny to look it. almost every user wanted to keep the images and the mods were like nahhh
Apr 07 02:13:58 <_genuser_> what is HN?
Apr 07 02:14:03 <duncannz> _genuser_: hacker news
Apr 07 02:14:08 <_genuser_> oh, thx
Apr 07 02:14:15 <DadFoundMy> g00s: reddit is a shitpile, but imo theres no better alternative
Apr 07 02:14:21 <duncannz> DadFoundMy: voat.co?
Apr 07 02:14:26 <DadFoundMy> and the small sub reddits are still great
Apr 07 02:14:31 <DadFoundMy> duncannz: too small of user base
Apr 07 02:14:39 <DadFoundMy> duncannz: looks super promising though
Apr 07 02:14:47 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, mods are often terrible.
Apr 07 02:14:56 <duncannz> voat has a mandatory public moderation log
Apr 07 02:15:04 <TacticalJoke> ./r/cringepics is one of the worst.  They still have that Xmas theme up.
Apr 07 02:15:32 <DadFoundMy> the cycle is: small sub is great, people see small sub is great, small sub becomes big sub, ex-small sub sucks
Apr 07 02:15:51 <duncannz> DadFoundMy: exactly :(
Apr 07 02:15:55 <TacticalJoke> Right.
Apr 07 02:15:58 <duncannz> I don't see how to stop it though
Apr 07 02:16:02 <duncannz> the cycle
Apr 07 02:16:03 <DadFoundMy> duncannz: you just gotta learn to move on man :(
Apr 07 02:16:10 <DadFoundMy> duncannz: good mods
Apr 07 02:16:15 <DadFoundMy> see /r/listentothis
Apr 07 02:16:40 <DadFoundMy> tbh its just kinda a flaw in reddit itself, and how people worship karma, and those with a lot of karma
Apr 07 02:16:51 <TacticalJoke> Those people are strange.
Apr 07 02:16:59 <duncannz> Unidan
Apr 07 02:17:02 <_genuser_> lol occupation: Stormtrooper.
Apr 07 02:17:03 <TacticalJoke> I see the same names over and over on the front page.  It seems to be all they do.
Apr 07 02:17:10 <_genuser_> ok ok maybe I shoudl take the taxes seriously.
Apr 07 02:17:15 <TacticalJoke> Then again, I spend way too much time in here.  :D
Apr 07 02:17:17 <DadFoundMy> rip unidan, i actually miss that guy :D
Apr 07 02:17:21 <DadFoundMy> he was informative
Apr 07 02:17:39 <duncannz> yeah he got too obsessed with karma and felt it necessary to vote his own posts
Apr 07 02:17:45 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: atleast we learn from this sub
Apr 07 02:17:54 <duncannz> I don't see why, he can barely speak without getting gilded and upvoted 100 times
Apr 07 02:17:55 <TacticalJoke> True.  It's productive.
Apr 07 02:17:57 <DadFoundMy> duncannz: in a fucked up way he was right tho... his post were top notch
Apr 07 02:18:13 <duncannz> yeah
Apr 07 02:18:22 <TacticalJoke> Did you hear about that Ellen what's-her-name.
Apr 07 02:18:27 <DadFoundMy> pao
Apr 07 02:18:28 <TacticalJoke> Talking of gossip.  :D
Apr 07 02:18:29 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 07 02:18:37 <DadFoundMy> fuckin sjw's mann
Apr 07 02:18:49 <TacticalJoke> They are pretty toxic.
Apr 07 02:18:52 <adq> i'm in /r/edmproduction :))
Apr 07 02:19:39 <DadFoundMy> im not a feminist hater in anyway either, like im in my school's gender equality club, but those fucking sjw's are just fucking awful
Apr 07 02:19:46 <duncannz> Here's what I see in <sdk>/extras/google/play_billing and it doesn't match my app's structure http://i.imgur.com/8tkfhUT.png
Apr 07 02:19:47 <TacticalJoke> My favourite subreddits now are probably /r/trashy and /r/cringepics.
Apr 07 02:20:09 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: i used to like /r/cringe and pics but they get into super bully phases
Apr 07 02:20:16 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that's true.
Apr 07 02:20:39 <DadFoundMy> i think /r/cringe is more guilty of it, but there are times when they will just bully the shit out of kids who make videos. most of the times their teens too
Apr 07 02:20:49 <DadFoundMy> .... i still watch all the vids on the sub tho...
Apr 07 02:21:03 <DadFoundMy> i like /r/programmerhumor right now
Apr 07 02:23:43 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, has some good posts sometimes.
Apr 07 02:24:26 <DadFoundMy> a tooon of reports tho
Apr 07 02:28:32 <ashwink005> can anyone help me with this 15 line code?
Apr 07 02:28:34 <ashwink005> http://imgur.com/p8g7YiZ
Apr 07 02:28:55 <ashwink005> why is the text aligned at the center_horizontal rather than the center?
Apr 07 02:29:09 <ashwink005> help would be appreciated
Apr 07 02:29:28 <TacticalJoke> ashwink005:  You're using wrap_content x wrap_content (the default).
Apr 07 02:29:43 <adq> ^ yeah wrap_content, it's probably because of layout param
Apr 07 02:29:44 <TacticalJoke> That's why there's no centralisation.
Apr 07 02:30:05 <ashwink005> so I should set LayoutParams to match parent right?
Apr 07 02:30:10 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 07 02:30:23 <adq> setGravity is for the text inside his view
Apr 07 02:30:32 <ashwink005> yeah thats what I want
Apr 07 02:30:38 <adq> but you could make the gravity of the text to be centered in its parent
Apr 07 02:30:39 <ashwink005> I want the text in the center of the view
Apr 07 02:30:45 <adq> of the textview*
Apr 07 02:31:03 <ashwink005> No, actually this is a stripped down version of a larger problem
Apr 07 02:31:16 <ashwink005> I want the text to be centered programmatically
Apr 07 02:32:22 <TacticalJoke> You can use ViewGroup.LayoutParams.MATCH_PARENT in the addView call.
Apr 07 02:33:22 <TacticalJoke> Are you sure you want to create the TextView programmatically, though?  I rarely find that optimal.
Apr 07 02:33:40 <TacticalJoke> In terms of maintainability.
Apr 07 02:33:45 <TacticalJoke> And so on.
Apr 07 02:34:02 <ashwink005> Yeah, I need to position it accordingly in my ViewGroup.
Apr 07 02:34:12 <ashwink005> which LayoutParams should I use?
Apr 07 02:34:35 <ashwink005> ViewGroup.LayoutParams, usual LayoutParams etc does it make a difference?
Apr 07 02:34:50 <TacticalJoke> You only need an int.  Just use ViewGroup's.
Apr 07 02:36:21 <TacticalJoke> Or you could instantiate ViewGroup.LayoutParams.
Apr 07 02:36:46 <ashwink005> Yeah I did that. Still not working. I had tried all this with the original problem too.
Apr 07 02:37:08 <ashwink005> added this line ViewGroup.LayoutParams params=new ViewGroup.LayoutParams(LayoutParams.MATCH_PARENT,LayoutParams.MATCH_PARENT);         this.addView(mTv,params);
Apr 07 02:37:28 <ashwink005> No effect
Apr 07 02:37:50 <TacticalJoke> I guess the parent is also wrap_content x wrap_content.
Apr 07 02:38:28 <ashwink005> then why would it align in the center? it means the textView is getting the appropriate width
Apr 07 02:38:47 <TacticalJoke> I don't see anything aligning in the centre.
Apr 07 02:39:30 <ashwink005> the image I had attached is the wrong one I'm sorry
Apr 07 02:39:32 <quinnjn> DadFoundMy, I think he's now UnidanX http://www.reddit.com/user/unidanx
Apr 07 02:39:42 <TacticalJoke> ashwink005:  What are the layout parameters for "Custom"?
Apr 07 02:39:51 <TacticalJoke> Maybe they're match_parent x wrap_content.
Apr 07 02:39:54 <TacticalJoke> w x h
Apr 07 02:40:11 <ashwink005> match parent, match parent
Apr 07 02:40:35 <TacticalJoke> Your code above says "LayoutParams.MATCH_PARENT".  Is that ViewGroup.LayoutParams?
Apr 07 02:40:43 <TacticalJoke> Probably makes no difference, but curious.
Apr 07 02:42:12 <ashwink005> I actually wrote ViewGroup.LayoutParams.MATCH_PARENT but android Studio corrected it. Static ints can be referred from anywhere I guess
Apr 07 02:42:19 <TacticalJoke> One thing I'd suggest is "setBackgroundColor(Color.RED);" on either the ViewGroup of the TextView.
Apr 07 02:42:43 <ashwink005> here is the actual image
Apr 07 02:42:44 <ashwink005> http://imgur.com/htt88u0
Apr 07 02:42:57 <TacticalJoke> or*
Apr 07 02:43:38 <ashwink005> its occupying the full screen. The XML preview is showing the complete screen selected when I hover over the TextView
Apr 07 02:44:08 <liftedbronco> guys
Apr 07 02:44:31 <liftedbronco> I'm getting a Error:(16, 23) No resource found that matches the given name (at 'icon' with value '@drawable/ic_launcher'). error in this android manifest http://paste.ofcode.org/YAp5ThnnbUW4QyMKq4vsHs
Apr 07 02:44:48 <ashwink005> TacticalJoke: any idea? should I post this on stackOverflow?
Apr 07 02:45:04 <TacticalJoke> ashwink005:  I think I'd try setting the background colour of the TextView to be sure.
Apr 07 02:47:07 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I know.
Apr 07 02:47:12 <TacticalJoke> You're using the wrong constructor.
Apr 07 02:47:22 <TacticalJoke> It's the two-parameter one that's called from XML inflation.
Apr 07 02:47:44 <TacticalJoke> Though I'm not sure why you're seeing a TextView at all.
Apr 07 02:48:04 <TacticalJoke> And if I'm right then you should be getting an exception at run time.
Apr 07 02:48:55 <ashwink005> I don't need an XML attribute set therefore I'm just using one constructor
Apr 07 02:49:06 <ashwink005> all the stuff is being done programmatically
Apr 07 02:49:16 <ashwink005> here you go
Apr 07 02:49:17 <ashwink005> http://imgur.com/kDZcKWN
Apr 07 02:49:22 <TacticalJoke> Your Custom thing isn't being done programmatically.
Apr 07 02:49:42 <TacticalJoke> It's being inflated from XML.
Apr 07 02:50:55 <JakeWharton> quinnjn: thanks for following up with a PR!
Apr 07 02:51:06 <aspire> i feel like getting into android development would be very feasible
Apr 07 02:51:10 <ashwink005> TacticalJoke: it doesn't make a difference. The only difference is that the XML attributes will not be applied. Except for height and width as u can see in the image
Apr 07 02:51:24 <aspire> how many of you do android development to make money? just curious
Apr 07 02:51:44 <TacticalJoke> ashwink005:  Can you post everything?
Apr 07 02:52:53 <ashwink005> you mean the simple problem or the bigger one?
Apr 07 02:53:02 <TacticalJoke> The simple one.
Apr 07 02:53:33 <ashwink005> ok ok
Apr 07 02:54:40 <g00s> JakeWharton which would be your preference, to initialize a singleton like global analytics: extend Application and initialize in onCreate() - or lazily initialize it whenever - but it needs a context
Apr 07 02:55:00 <JakeWharton> Application onCreate
Apr 07 02:55:09 <JakeWharton> that's where we put the Context in our dependency graph
Apr 07 02:55:21 <g00s> allright, thanks again!
Apr 07 02:55:27 <ashwink005> TacticalJoke: here's the code : http://paste.ofcode.org/38hex64tPUkp9YnByNvcYXh
Apr 07 02:55:35 <ashwink005> includes xml and Java
Apr 07 02:55:35 <JakeWharton> otherwise you have to always pass a context
Apr 07 02:55:41 <JakeWharton> like Picasso.with(Context) method call
Apr 07 02:55:53 <JakeWharton> we only use that context once but have to ask for it every time
Apr 07 02:56:29 <TacticalJoke> ashwink005:  Have you tried running this?
Apr 07 02:56:56 <explodes> test
Apr 07 02:57:14 <explodes> I should create a tinder-like app for matching up with your favorite tinder-like apps
Apr 07 02:57:30 <explodes> What do you think, super useful?
Apr 07 02:57:57 <ashwink005> TacticalJoke: nope, trying
Apr 07 02:58:24 <TacticalJoke> It should crash because you don't have the right constructor.
Apr 07 02:58:35 <TacticalJoke> Also, don't rely on the XML designer.  It's not always accurate.
Apr 07 02:59:20 <TacticalJoke> s/designer/preview thing/
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