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Apr 24 03:03:42 <g00s> ugh when is this pos manifest merger going to work right, neverending bugs and misery
Apr 24 03:05:18 <g00s> new one, on my submodules - which don't even have tests, the manifest merger fails for :submodule:processDebugAndroidTestManifest
Apr 24 03:10:41 <masterjef> g00s, thanks for that link to SquiDB, bada**
Apr 24 03:11:03 <g00s> masterjef yw
Apr 24 03:13:14 <g00s> lol, OK so - build app from AS works, clean from AS fails, build & clean from CLI work
Apr 24 03:13:38 <g00s> groxx i'm telling you man, no release builds from AS x.x
Apr 24 03:13:43 <Afzal> so we can have a test folder and an androidTest folder?
Apr 24 03:13:47 <Afzal> what'st he difference?
Apr 24 03:14:04 <Afzal> welp nvm, looks like the difference is that one runs locally on junit
Apr 24 03:14:07 <g00s> androidTest is -- probably for connected device / instrumentation tests
Apr 24 03:14:10 <Afzal> right
Apr 24 03:14:57 <g00s> the build system is so comples, i don't even know how to file intelligent bug reports any more. it just breaks. in inscrutable ways.
Apr 24 03:15:04 <g00s> *complex
Apr 24 03:17:39 <g00s> its like you are driving down the highway, and your car loses power. you pull over, open up the hood, and every single individual part of the engine and transmission fall out of the car like marbles from a bucket
Apr 24 03:17:45 <TacticalJoke> Maybe the complexity of the bug report should match the complexity of the system.  Fight fire with fire.
Apr 24 03:23:46 <Afzal> how weird is that dropdown to switch b/w instrumentation and unit tests :/
Apr 24 03:23:50 <Afzal> why is that even needed
Apr 24 03:24:07 <JakeWharton> the same reason there's a dropdown to switch between variants
Apr 24 03:24:17 <g00s> Afzal what dropdown ?
Apr 24 03:24:24 <Afzal> in Build Variants
Apr 24 03:24:46 <Afzal> basically, if you have it set to unit tests, then the src/test folder is used as test source and runs junit tests locally
Apr 24 03:25:06 <Afzal> if you have it set to Android Instrumentation tests then it uses the src/androidTest folder and generates a test apk
Apr 24 03:28:33 <g00s> Afzal is this in the project structure dialog ?
Apr 24 03:28:54 <Afzal> g00s https://www.dropbox.com/s/ncx9o59pmi69ee3/Screenshot%202015-04-23%2023.28.51.png?dl=0
Apr 24 03:28:56 <JakeWharton> <Afzal> in Build Variants
Apr 24 03:28:58 <TacticalJoke> It's in the Build Variants thing.
Apr 24 03:29:32 <g00s> oh wow, i never saw that :D
Apr 24 03:30:08 <TacticalJoke> It's fairly new.
Apr 24 03:44:50 <creitve> If my primary flow is screen 1 -> ... -> screen 6, but I want to return user from screens 4,5, 6 always to screen 3, if they press back, what is the canonical way to implement this?
Apr 24 03:45:24 <creitve> should I make screens 4 to 6 as fragments in a single activity?
Apr 24 03:51:17 <TacticalJoke> creitve:  Hmm, what is the exact scenario here?  Why do they always go back to screen 3?
Apr 24 03:53:33 <creitve> TacticalJoke: Basically, screens 4 to 6 are on the same level.
Apr 24 03:54:00 <cnap> Guys I want to move an old Android VM from my laptop, which was created through eclipse, to my other laptop which is using Android Studio latest version
Apr 24 03:54:03 <cnap> Would that be easy ?
Apr 24 03:54:05 <groxx> creitve: flag_no_history, or startActivity(); finish();, or "flag_single_top | flag_clear_top & relaunch screen 3".
Apr 24 03:54:46 <groxx> or startActivityForResult each time, catch back-presses, and set a "pop to 3" result.  check in onActivityResult in each screen, and finish() immediately if appropriate.
Apr 24 03:56:51 <creitve> groxx: thanks
Apr 24 04:11:46 <pfnQ> g00s, 1.2.0 final? nice, updating my build system tomorrow
Apr 24 04:17:07 <CedricBeust> It's RC1 or 0 I think, so not quite
Apr 24 04:18:48 <liuwenhao> Hi all, I have a question about a library. In particular, it's called Checkout https://github.com/serso/android-checkout
Apr 24 04:18:56 <liuwenhao> I was wondering if any of you have experience using this library
Apr 24 04:19:04 <pfnQ> CedricBeust, nope
Apr 24 04:19:11 <pfnQ> CedricBeust, http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7CCom.android.tools.build%20
Apr 24 04:19:25 <liuwenhao> I just want to know if it's something I should use or if I should manually handle the boilerplate code.
Apr 24 04:19:33 <CedricBeust> Interesting, I could have sworc I read RC0 when I updated this morning
Apr 24 04:20:55 <_genuser_> so, I'm understanding this correctly? You can't tell in getView of a listadapter if the gridview item it represents is select or not.
Apr 24 04:21:13 <pfnQ> CedricBeust, it was beta last time I checked
Apr 24 04:24:02 <Binka_> Hey, I've got a question. Is it possible to add items to a listview from a drop down menu?
Apr 24 04:24:27 <Binka_> I'm trying to have it so when you click an item in a menu, it adds that item to the view below, http://i.imgur.com/WJOAZc1.png
Apr 24 04:25:20 <pfnQ> everything is possible
Apr 24 04:26:23 <Binka_> Any help?  I feel like it should be really simple.  I just need a menu, and when you click an item on that menu, it adds it to the view
Apr 24 04:26:28 <_genuser_> anybody got ideas on how to determine in getView if a gridview item is selected?
Apr 24 04:27:57 <pfnQ> Binka_, it is simple, just add the data to your adapter, done
Apr 24 04:28:59 <Binka_> pfnQ, I'm not very familiar with adapters, quite new at this.  Any help?
Apr 24 04:29:26 <_genuser_> Binka_: so your adapter keeps a copy of the data to be displayed in the listview
Apr 24 04:29:40 <_genuser_> 2 - you set the adapter for the listview. using .setAdapter()
Apr 24 04:30:28 <_genuser_> 3 - for each item in the adapter, you decide how it is rendered. You generate this view in getView() of the adapter.
Apr 24 04:30:48 <_genuser_> to determine which item it being rendered, you are provide the position of the item that the view is being requested for.
Apr 24 04:31:00 <_genuser_> you alter the adapter to alter the contents of the listview.
Apr 24 04:32:01 <Binka_> Will that work with a submenu
Apr 24 04:32:21 <_genuser_> that's how it will work with anything that require a ListAdapter.
Apr 24 04:32:34 <_genuser_> typically you'll override a BaseAdapter to create your adapter.
Apr 24 04:33:08 <Binka_> So, I have it so that when you click on any item in the menu, it calls onOptionsItemSelected(MenuItem item).  And then I say, case R.id.Alcohol:
Apr 24 04:33:29 <Binka_> is that where you run the code to call the adapter?
Apr 24 04:34:23 <_genuser_> if the meny item that was select is references by r.id.alkihol in onoptionitemselected... correct that's where you'll modify the adapter.
Apr 24 04:34:42 <_genuser_> the copy of the data that your adapter references.
Apr 24 04:35:02 <Binka_> Ok, do you know of any examples or guides that do something similar.  This is my first app and I have no idea what I;m doing
Apr 24 04:35:29 <_genuser_> http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/AndroidListView/article.html
Apr 24 04:35:58 <_genuser_> this guy has very decent tuts. they're a little long because he explains it in detail. but you can either put up with it and really understand it.
Apr 24 04:36:11 <_genuser_> or you can skim it and pull out the pieces you need and just get it working.
Apr 24 04:37:44 <Binka_> Okay thanks!  I've skimmed through it and it doesn't look like it has anything to do with menu's.  Will I still be able to get this to work with a menu from this tutorial?
Apr 24 04:38:04 <_genuser_> nobody will have exactly what you need.
Apr 24 04:38:12 <_genuser_> think of it as playing with legos.
Apr 24 04:38:22 <_genuser_> once you learn how the pieces are connected, it is upto you to connect them.
Apr 24 04:38:35 <_genuser_> you learn from thsi one how ListAdapters and ListViews work.
Apr 24 04:38:47 <_genuser_> and then when you need to add something to your list on menu click, you'll know exactly what to do.
Apr 24 04:39:39 <Binka_> Thanks, I'll take a look!
Apr 24 04:39:46 <_genuser_> good luck
Apr 24 04:40:22 <Binka_> Is this adapter based on the adapter design patter?
Apr 24 04:41:52 <_genuser_> sorry, no idea. I don't really keep up with what the Britney Spears of computer books write about just to sell one more album
Apr 24 04:41:55 <_genuser_> err... book.
Apr 24 04:54:28 <g00s> lets say you bind to a /local service/ in onStart() ... the service connection will happen sometime after onResume(). now if you have UI elements that poke that service, do you put null checks there? its theoretically possible somebody could press something before the service is bound, but not probable
Apr 24 04:57:18 <Carbonflux> I would do that anyway
Apr 24 04:57:35 <Carbonflux> otherwise you could get undefined behavior ;)
Apr 24 05:00:22 * g00s sighs
Apr 24 05:00:31 <g00s> you are right
Apr 24 05:05:14 <groxx> devices get REALLY bogged down at times. it'll happen. guaranteed.
Apr 24 05:06:42 <g00s> groxx do you ever use bound local services ?
Apr 24 05:09:12 <groxx> nope.  might make sense in a couple places at work, but I doubt I'll ever use them for my own stuff, except as a simpler way to manage the service's lifestyle.
Apr 24 05:15:53 <g00s> this is one of those timing things ... like tacticaljoke mentioned you can start multiple activities if you press a button too quickly
Apr 24 05:16:10 <g00s> if that button does startActivity()
Apr 24 05:16:28 <g00s> does anyone actually guard for that O.o
Apr 24 05:22:36 <ronkrt> As of today... I'm joining the ranks of newb droid dev
Apr 24 05:36:10 * capella runs away
Apr 24 05:36:21 <ronkrt> Lol
Apr 24 05:36:35 <ronkrt> Don't worry I'm learning the basics
Apr 24 05:37:23 <ronkrt> After I find a solution
Apr 24 05:37:29 <ronkrt> To my current problems
Apr 24 05:46:45 <DadFoundMy> will i have trouble sumbitting if i use extra permisions in the manifest?
Apr 24 05:46:57 <DadFoundMy> i know on iOS they will give you a hard time
Apr 24 05:47:18 <CedricBeust> Google doesn't care, your users might
Apr 24 05:48:01 <DadFoundMy> its just the ones required for ads, im sure it's fine
Apr 24 05:59:17 <DadFoundMy> woo just published second app
Apr 24 05:59:58 <g00s> DadFoundMy remember, quality - not quantity ;)
Apr 24 06:00:23 <g00s> each app you publish requires upkeep ;)
Apr 24 06:00:27 <g00s> lots
Apr 24 06:00:32 <DadFoundMy> g00s: yeah i debated wether or not to publish but decided to go with it
Apr 24 06:00:58 <DadFoundMy> i was convinced when a lot of kids in school really liked it and were getting kinda addicted
Apr 24 06:01:20 <DadFoundMy> if they like it maybe others will too \_(ツ)_/¯
Apr 24 06:03:20 <g00s> 'gradle is running, proceed with project closing?' .... wuuut
Apr 24 06:07:34 <liuwenhao> what's the hotkey to surround with try/catch in android studio?
Apr 24 06:07:43 <liuwenhao> i can't find it
Apr 24 06:07:55 <masterjef> g00s, on the service thing, I have some view data that needs a service to work. I just created a 'listener' interface the the service connection calls in onServiceConnected
Apr 24 06:08:23 <masterjef> ie the fragment implements the listener
Apr 24 06:08:39 <g00s> masterjef sounds good
Apr 24 06:09:55 <creitve> I have an asyntask I use for API requests, which receives parameters and returns JSONObject. I want to make a set of API methods to encapsulate the calls, only receiving params+listener and return array of specific type. How do I attach these methods to the general asyntask and still be sure everything is running asynchronously?
Apr 24 06:11:07 <liuwenhao> Nevermind found it, it's ctrl alt t in Windows
Apr 24 06:11:48 <masterjef> if i understand you correctly, i would create an abstract base class with stubs for the API methods, and then depending on what you want to expose, return different implementations
Apr 24 06:11:53 <masterjef> creitve,
Apr 24 06:13:51 <creitve> hm
Apr 24 06:14:37 <masterjef> i'm not sure what you mean by be sure everything is running async... if it's a long running task you're probably better off using a Thread/ThreadHandler/Executor service etc
Apr 24 06:15:06 <masterjef> HandlerThread*
Apr 24 06:15:29 <lasserix> creitve: retrofit
Apr 24 06:16:11 <creitve> lasserix: I know, thanks.
Apr 24 06:16:26 <lasserix> as far as your question, just like normal
Apr 24 06:16:38 <lasserix> call your interface implemention referenes in onpostexecute
Apr 24 06:16:50 <lasserix> mAsyncTaskCompletionListener.onTaskComplet(T)
Apr 24 06:19:54 <creitve> lasserix: But that callback currently returns jsonobject (generalised interface) and I parse it inside fragment. Should I chain callbacks inside api method implementations (generalised listener to particular return type listener) or what?
Apr 24 06:20:33 <lasserix> why are you not parsing it in the background?
Apr 24 06:20:51 <lasserix> you should probably take a good look at rxjava
Apr 24 06:20:54 <masterjef> i'd say parse it elsewhere
Apr 24 06:21:04 <lasserix> essentially is what you are trying to build
Apr 24 06:21:09 <lasserix> why parse it on the ui thread?
Apr 24 06:21:18 <lasserix> create your viewmodel in the background
Apr 24 06:21:44 <lasserix> creitve: o you wwant SRP
Apr 24 06:22:01 <lasserix> then sure just chain make static method calls and you can do it in background
Apr 24 06:22:05 <pfnQ> g00s, if you absolutely insist on using a bound service, hide it behind a promise
Apr 24 06:22:10 <pfnQ> g00s, problem solved
Apr 24 06:22:22 <masterjef> does anyone have an idea of how common it is for devices to support 8KHz sample rates?
Apr 24 06:22:26 <pfnQ> g00s, RxJava has promises, no?
Apr 24 06:22:40 <g00s> pfnQ i am thinking about that ...
Apr 24 06:22:57 <pfnQ> but really, just say no to bound services
Apr 24 06:23:13 <pfnQ> if ipc is not involved, they are not a good idea, ever
Apr 24 06:23:34 <lasserix> pfnQ: i agree but specifically why do you say?
Apr 24 06:24:57 <myke> masterjef: very i'd think
Apr 24 06:25:23 <myke> i was dealing with 8khz mono voip call recordings earlier today
Apr 24 06:26:50 <masterjef> myke, yeah I can't seem to find much. Trying to decide whether I should bring in software decimation/interpolation for devices that don't
Apr 24 06:28:58 <masterjef> probably will just go without
Apr 24 06:29:40 <wheatthins> For the Android Virtual Device emulator, what constitutes a system image?
Apr 24 06:29:53 <wheatthins> Will downloading this be sufficient for emulating glass?
Apr 24 06:29:54 <wheatthins> https://developers.google.com/glass/tools-downloads/system
Apr 24 06:30:16 <myke> masterjef: i'd be surprised if any devices didn't support it, 8khz is the standard sampling frewuency for "telephone quality" audio
Apr 24 06:30:50 <myke> and it's pretty trivial to support lesser sampling f4equencies in the hw
Apr 24 06:32:06 <g00s> isn't there a built in way to take a video of your app running? i keep pulling 3rd party apps when googling
Apr 24 06:32:16 <AnAnt> Android needs to update tzdata to 2015c urgently
Apr 24 06:32:37 <g00s> oh boy, thats a problem . - i think its baked into the image
Apr 24 06:32:46 <g00s> not like, jodatime that ships with a db
Apr 24 06:32:55 <masterjef> myke, cool, will roll with it for now. thanks
Apr 24 06:34:09 <AnAnt> where do I file a bug against AOSP ?
Apr 24 06:34:19 <masterjef> wheatthins, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16036245/is-there-an-android-based-google-glass-emulator
Apr 24 06:35:36 <masterjef> AnAnt, https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
Apr 24 06:35:41 <AnAnt> thanks
Apr 24 06:35:53 <masterjef> what's the problem with tzdata? curious
Apr 24 06:36:44 <AnAnt> masterjef: in the old tzdata Egypt switches to summer time today, yet Egypt canceled summer time this year
Apr 24 06:37:15 <g00s> yeah, tzdata is only updated with OTAs
Apr 24 06:37:30 <g00s> basically when the OS is updated
Apr 24 06:37:42 <g00s> thats kinda comical
Apr 24 06:38:14 <wheatthins> Specifically OTA?
Apr 24 06:38:18 <masterjef> got it. i always forget how important that is.
Apr 24 06:38:19 <wheatthins> Or also if you flash?
Apr 24 06:38:40 <g00s> AnAnt can you manually override android to specify UTC offset without DST ?
Apr 24 06:38:58 <g00s> like, instead of selecting Cairo or something, put in the offset
Apr 24 06:39:24 <AnAnt> well, I can get the tzdata from the git repo, and adb push it on my device
Apr 24 06:39:38 <AnAnt> thing is the tzdata on git is not updated
Apr 24 06:41:04 <g00s> you might have to wait until android 6 for that :D
Apr 24 06:43:05 <wheatthins> If you want to drop a system image in for the Android Virtual Device emulator, what directory does that go in
Apr 24 06:44:11 <masterjef> .android folder in your user dir (at least on windows)
Apr 24 06:44:59 <AnAnt> g00s: no, they update the info regularly actually, they just missed the last update
Apr 24 06:45:54 <avinashrbhat> anyone used sqlbrite in production? any horror/success stories?
Apr 24 06:46:44 <AnAnt> actually, does anyone know how google builds the tzdata file ?
Apr 24 06:46:46 <pfnQ> g00s, adb screenrecord
Apr 24 06:46:58 <g00s> yeah found it in AS thanks
Apr 24 06:47:11 <g00s> cool it did a nice job ;)
Apr 24 06:48:15 <masterjef> AnAnt, turned up this https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/85aeb49144edc61797a2c60777d66f1c80e5e5e3/libc/tools/zoneinfo/update-tzdata.py
Apr 24 06:48:32 <AnAnt> masterjef: thanks
Apr 24 07:01:22 <sci-fic> hey, morning all, i have a question about git, i have two repos local server and bitbucket, and i have two computers.
Apr 24 07:01:59 <sci-fic> This morning i wanted to use other pc, and fetch from bitbucket, but it made me commit first and pull and again commit etc.
Apr 24 07:02:59 <sci-fic> im doing it wrong i guess bcs i did too many transactions, can somebody tell me how to use 2 computers and 2 remotes in a simple explanation ?
Apr 24 07:12:39 <g00s> pfnQ is it easy for windows users to play .mp4 ?
Apr 24 07:12:56 <g00s> on my mac, quicktime opened it up
Apr 24 07:14:27 <wheatthins> VLC
Apr 24 07:14:33 <wheatthins> Or quicktime on windows
Apr 24 07:14:45 <wheatthins> Or probably even windows media player
Apr 24 07:17:49 <g00s> i figure google would have chosen something that worked anywhere, hm seems you might have to install the media codec pack
Apr 24 07:20:28 <danijoo> is google play services required for in-app billing? Its either not listed anywhere in the documentation or I need more coffee
Apr 24 07:29:27 <OmegaVesko> danijoo: Don't think so, billing is a separate library
Apr 24 07:29:50 <danijoo> yes but I somehow thought its needed.
Apr 24 07:30:11 <danijoo> I currently try to get rid of that google play services installed? check in an app
Apr 24 07:30:19 <danijoo> and has to see how many features require it
Apr 24 07:30:39 <OmegaVesko> danijoo: Yeah, it would make sense but the docs don't mention it
Apr 24 07:30:47 <OmegaVesko> it looks like it communicates with the play store directly
Apr 24 07:30:54 <OmegaVesko> so you need that but not GPS
Apr 24 07:31:06 <danijoo> yeah maybe thats it
Apr 24 07:33:34 <ronkrt> ok guys I some serious help..I have a LG optimus f60 LTE with unlimited LTE data. I can't seem to get a LTE connection and even with full bars and 4g I can't get internet more n then. ten mins. @ a time.. in called metro and they ran me threw 'reconfig of APN in mobile networks then found used 25gb of data they reset my data and it worked for a couple hours
Apr 24 07:33:34 <ronkrt> then back... also I did a recovery mode reset before calling them.
Apr 24 07:34:29 <ronkrt> wow epic kill
Apr 24 07:34:59 <danijoo> ronkrt, wrong channel - see topic
Apr 24 07:36:26 <ronkrt> I can't hold s connection for more then n ten minute is n my only device no one's talking there
Apr 24 07:36:55 <danijoo> ronkrt, you are in the wrong channel. this is android app development
Apr 24 07:37:53 <kevel> JakeWharton, is there a way to use something like @Optional on dagger injects?
Apr 24 07:38:03 <ronkrt> and devs know about Android and I need this fixed yesterday
Apr 24 07:38:09 <kevel> I have want to inject a dependancy only after a specific action has been performed
Apr 24 07:38:22 <kevel> So i need to plus onto the graph, then reinject
Apr 24 07:38:59 <kevel> Im getting compile time errors though, because the dependancy isnt in the first module, only the plus'd module :(
Apr 24 07:39:00 <danijoo> ronkrt, good luck then. you wont get an answer here.
Apr 24 07:39:17 <OmegaVesko> ronkrt: dude, we aren't your carrier, nobody here gives two shits when you need it fixed
Apr 24 07:40:59 <danijoo> Man.. why is there no page that lists what services requires google play services apk to be installed on client phone -_-
Apr 24 07:54:21 <WantToCode> Is there a way to get a unique user id after he does the google sign-in ? Trying to find an API but no avail.
Apr 24 07:58:09 <Papipo> Is it possible to fire a refresh of a SwipeRefreshLayout programmatically?
Apr 24 07:58:32 <OmegaVesko> Papipo: yeah
Apr 24 07:58:39 <Papipo> I can't find how
Apr 24 07:58:55 <danijoo> WantToCode, what about the phones uuid?
Apr 24 07:59:19 <OmegaVesko> Well, I'm not sure if you can actually fire the event handler
Apr 24 07:59:19 <danijoo> if you just want to identify the user, use his mail. that should be unique
Apr 24 07:59:56 <Papipo> I just want to fire it on onAttachedToWindow, and I don't know how. I can set it to refreshing but not fire the event itself, apparently
Apr 24 08:00:26 <RoBo_V2> hey guys, i have knowledge of C programming. But im looking to make very basic app (like switches with on off functions). Is it is doable how can I proceed ? No proir exp with apps
Apr 24 08:00:33 <OmegaVesko> I usually just have my AsyncTask set isRefreshing to true if it hasn't been started by the SwipeRefreshLayout
Apr 24 08:00:59 <OmegaVesko> RoBo_V2: Android dev is typically Java, not C. You should be fine.
Apr 24 08:01:05 <danijoo> RoBo_V2, learn java. When you are done, learn some more java
Apr 24 08:01:13 <danijoo> and then android :)
Apr 24 08:01:16 <OmegaVesko> And yeah, learn some Java before jumping into Android.
Apr 24 08:01:33 <adq> AS update failed.. asking me to: Please report to https://code.google.com/p/android/issues
Apr 24 08:01:53 <RoBo_V2> I see then I guess i should get someone to make it for me otherwise will take much time
Apr 24 08:01:53 <adq> except that few tickets i previously reported are not even in triage..
Apr 24 08:02:09 <OmegaVesko> RoBo_V2: That's probably a good idea :p
Apr 24 08:03:04 <WantToCode> danijoo, isn't there any token or something? Lets say that this user has one-to-many relationship with some other objects, I want relate those objects with this user via a token
Apr 24 08:03:16 <danijoo> adq are you behind a vpn, proxy or sth?
Apr 24 08:03:58 <danijoo> WantToCode, dunno. never tried to identify my users. I only tried to give some suggestions coming to my mind
Apr 24 08:04:07 <adq> no danijoo
Apr 24 08:04:15 <adq> not related to network anyway but thx
Apr 24 08:04:34 <WantToCode> danijoo, I have impleted the uuid, thought there would be a better way. Thanks!
Apr 24 08:04:55 <danijoo> WantToCode, just keep in mind that uuid identifies phones, not users
Apr 24 08:05:05 <danijoo> if someone gets a new phone, this information changes
Apr 24 08:05:08 <OmegaVesko> danijoo: yeah, that
Apr 24 08:05:14 <WantToCode> bang on! this is why I wanted token :P
Apr 24 08:05:26 <Papipo> OmegaVesko: but that is just o display the progress animation, right?
Apr 24 08:05:27 <danijoo> thats why I said use their mail address :p
Apr 24 08:05:31 <OmegaVesko> If you're using the uuid then your Google login is useless
Apr 24 08:05:32 <WantToCode> And with multi-users in lollipop...
Apr 24 08:05:49 <danijoo> doesnt oauth gives some kind of token?
Apr 24 08:05:52 <danijoo> i never used that too :)
Apr 24 08:06:04 <WantToCode> I am trying to find it.
Apr 24 08:06:10 <WantToCode> Implementing it for the first time
Apr 24 08:06:19 <OmegaVesko> Papipo: yeah, that's why I abstract the refresh logic into an asynctask and run that when I want to start a refresh manually
Apr 24 08:07:34 <Papipo> is this normal? I am new to android development, but I really expected SwipeRefreshLayout to have something to force the refresh programmatically
Apr 24 08:09:17 <danijoo> Papipo, i would expect that too.. mh
Apr 24 08:11:10 <danijoo> Papipo, there is a private void startRefresh() in the class. If you really rely on that, you could exploit it.
Apr 24 08:12:10 <Papipo> How can I do that? I am extending the class thus I can't call that method
Apr 24 08:12:21 <Papipo> it's weird that the method is not protected
Apr 24 08:13:00 <danijoo> you could use reflection
Apr 24 08:13:10 <danijoo> but make sure to have some logic to catch errors
Apr 24 08:16:02 <danijoo> Papipo, something like this should work:http://pastebin.com/9j8LnaR7
Apr 24 08:18:54 <Papipo> danijoo: did you say anything since my last sentence? My connection died
Apr 24 08:19:24 <Odaym> ugh man
Apr 24 08:19:34 <Odaym> I walked into a fucking companurial company
Apr 24 08:19:39 <Odaym> I didn't know it was like this!
Apr 24 08:19:53 <Odaym> the kind that sends an email about how much time exactly you are allowed to take a break!!
Apr 24 08:20:26 <Odaym> http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
Apr 24 08:20:57 <danijoo> Papipo, this is reflection: http://pastebin.com/BvaspZ3W
Apr 24 08:21:28 <Papipo> Thanks danijoo
Apr 24 08:21:39 <Papipo> Actually, I will be just using the onRefresh() method of the listener
Apr 24 08:21:43 <danijoo> But its pretty hacky.
Apr 24 08:22:06 <Papipo>         view.setRefreshing(true);
Apr 24 08:22:06 <Papipo>         controller.refresh();
Apr 24 08:22:12 <Papipo> two lines, not a big deal :P
Apr 24 08:22:16 <danijoo> well. if it works. ok :)
Apr 24 08:24:49 <wheatthins> I'm in arch linux running Android Studio
Apr 24 08:24:55 <wheatthins> And it claims rendering problems, n android SDK found
Apr 24 08:25:05 <wheatthins> Despite me pointing it to /opt/android-sdk
Apr 24 08:25:10 <wheatthins> Which is where the files clearly are located
Apr 24 08:25:19 <wheatthins> I have attempted both running as root an duser
Apr 24 08:25:21 <wheatthins> *and user
Apr 24 08:25:44 <Odaym> how are they located in opt?
Apr 24 08:25:53 <Odaym> they were downloaded with the first run of AS?
Apr 24 08:26:09 <Odaym> or sold separately?
Apr 24 08:26:18 <wheatthins> They were downloaded through Android SDK Manager, when I was still using Eclipse
Apr 24 08:26:39 <Odaym> you chose to place them in opt
Apr 24 08:26:45 <Odaym> ah, well I dont know why it wouldn't recognize it
Apr 24 08:26:59 <Odaym> usually I'd place them in ~
Apr 24 08:27:05 <Odaym> under Software or something
Apr 24 08:27:08 <avinashrbhat> wheatthins, I too am on the same config. though I opted to install the sdk and AS outside of the package manager. I haven't found any rendering issues.
Apr 24 08:27:10 <wheatthins> I didn't have much of a choice, that was the SDK path chosen by sdk manager
Apr 24 08:27:13 <wheatthins> And it is greyed out
Apr 24 08:27:26 <wheatthins> I have an android-sdk folder in ~ as well for some reason
Apr 24 08:28:34 <avinashrbhat> wheatthins, did you use aur for this?
Apr 24 08:28:41 <wheatthins> avinashrbhat, yes
Apr 24 08:28:56 <wheatthins> as per instructions located at
Apr 24 08:28:56 <wheatthins> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Android
Apr 24 08:29:08 <avinashrbhat> lol, I advice is don't.
Apr 24 08:29:39 <wheatthins> For every single problem, #archlinux tends to point me to the wiki
Apr 24 08:29:46 <Odaym> archlinux documentation is very very good
Apr 24 08:29:48 <Odaym> best I've seen
Apr 24 08:29:49 <wheatthins> If they don't/can't solve it there
Apr 24 08:29:54 <Papipo> danijoo: actually, it doesn't work. I had to wrap the call to setRefreshing in a Runnable :S
Apr 24 08:29:56 <avinashrbhat> install in your home directory.
Apr 24 08:30:08 <wheatthins> It is also located in my home dir, for some reason
Apr 24 08:30:13 <wheatthins> How do I change it to point there in android studio
Apr 24 08:30:35 <Odaym> File > Project Structure
Apr 24 08:30:44 <Odaym> SDK Location is the first element there
Apr 24 08:30:56 <avinashrbhat> wheatthins, copy the sdk and AS into your home directory and try running AS with the same sdk linked.
Apr 24 08:31:43 <avinashrbhat> wheatthins, also it seems like it's more of a configuration problem. have you checked this in the #archlinux channel?
Apr 24 08:32:17 <wheatthins> I've not
Apr 24 08:32:25 <wheatthins> I figured #android-dev would be the place to check
Apr 24 08:34:28 <avinashrbhat> ok, do put the stuff in your home directory and recheck. also move the folders ~/.AndroidStudio to somewhere else to emulate a fresh install.
Apr 24 08:35:03 <avinashrbhat> while launching AS will ask for the sdk folder, then you can point it to the sdk.
Apr 24 08:35:12 <avinashrbhat> wheatthins, ^
Apr 24 08:35:53 <danijoo> wheatthins, try to set ANDROID_HOME path
Apr 24 08:36:15 <danijoo> export ANDROID_HOME=/your/installation/path and then restart AS
Apr 24 08:36:20 <wheatthins> How do I check to see if it's working with a hello world app I've just generated, for glass
Apr 24 08:37:36 <danijoo> if it compiles, its working :p
Apr 24 08:38:38 <wheatthins> It appears to be...mostly working
Apr 24 08:38:45 <wheatthins> After pointing it to ~/android-sdks
Apr 24 08:38:47 <wheatthins> And doing the export command
Apr 24 08:39:11 <danijoo> mostly?
Apr 24 08:39:16 <wheatthins> I say mostly because it's showing a phone rather than glass
Apr 24 08:39:22 <wheatthins> Although android studio supports glass
Apr 24 08:39:28 <wheatthins> And I have the glass sdk installed
Apr 24 08:40:15 <danijoo> i dont know about glasses but i think they have a seperate setup step somewhere
Apr 24 08:40:31 <wheatthins> I opened one of Google's existing sample projects
Apr 24 08:41:41 <wheatthins> For the tab in xml docs that shows how it should roughly look on the device
Apr 24 08:41:53 <wheatthins> Does that window have a name? Is it toggleable through view?
Apr 24 08:42:31 <Ashiren> layout editor
Apr 24 08:44:31 <wheatthins> I have it displaying, though glass seems not to be an option even on api 19
Apr 24 08:47:02 <danijoo> the layout editor sucks :p
Apr 24 08:48:57 <wheatthins> Might I be having issues because I'm on openjdk?
Apr 24 08:49:11 <ektos> hi!
Apr 24 08:50:19 <ektos> Has anyone ever got this problem I'm trying to replace 2 fragments but the transaction is not executed immediatly (or never)
Apr 24 08:50:56 <claint> ektos: yeah, I forgot to call commit() and that happened.
Apr 24 08:52:32 <ektos> I've got something like that, do I need to commit on my first replace too ? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fSQFagqK
Apr 24 08:53:48 <wheatthins> Where is gradle located?
Apr 24 08:53:57 <wheatthins> The sample from google is using gradle 0.12 and instead I should be using 1.x
Apr 24 08:54:14 <wheatthins> *It's using 0.12.2 and the reccomended version is 1.1.0
Apr 24 08:56:13 <danijoo> its wrapped in your project
Apr 24 08:56:22 <danijoo> there should be a gradle folder
Apr 24 08:56:29 <claint> ektos: you need to begin() and commit() each transaction on its own.
Apr 24 08:56:57 <danijoo> you can change the gradle version by editing gradle/wrapper/gradle-wrapper.properties and chaning the distributionUrl
Apr 24 08:58:08 <claint> ektos: I am not sure if it is possible to queue transactions, like you are doing.
Apr 24 08:58:56 <danijoo> ektos, what are you trying to archive? I mean whats the point in adding a fragment and replacing it with another one immediatly
Apr 24 08:59:13 <danijoo> oh nvm. its different containers.
Apr 24 08:59:16 <wheatthins> danijoo, distributionUrl=https\://services.gradle.org/distributions/gradle-2.2.1-all.zip
Apr 24 08:59:22 <claint> danijoo: he thinks it is a queueing pattern, but it is a builder pattern.
Apr 24 08:59:24 <danijoo> yes you need to commit every transaction on its own
Apr 24 08:59:28 <danijoo> yep
Apr 24 08:59:30 <wheatthins> 2.2.1 is far separate from 0.1 I don't understand
Apr 24 09:00:05 <danijoo> wheatthins, I think you actually want to change the android gradle plugin version and not gradle version ;)
Apr 24 09:00:21 <wheatthins> danijoo, how do I go about doing such
Apr 24 09:00:30 <danijoo> wheatthins, build.gradle file
Apr 24 09:00:44 <danijoo> buildscript->dependencies->classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:1.1.0'
Apr 24 09:02:58 <wheatthins> danijoo, Cause: org/codehaus/groovy/runtime/typehandling/ShortTypeHandling
Apr 24 09:03:09 <wheatthins> It got further along setup, but displayed the above
Apr 24 09:03:47 <ektos> danijoo: If you read carefully you'll see that I'm replacing 2 fragment holder (a header fragment, and a body)
Apr 24 09:05:38 <wheatthins> Unable to load class 'org.codehaus.groovy.runtime.typehandling.ShortTypeHandling'.
Apr 24 09:05:39 <wheatthins> Huh
Apr 24 09:12:54 <danijoo> wheatthins, copy your build.gradle file
Apr 24 09:13:04 <danijoo> and pastebin it
Apr 24 09:14:44 <claint> hmmm, no getItem() RecyclerView.Adapter....
Apr 24 09:18:48 <danijoo> claint, recyclerview doesnt work like listview. with getItem() and getView()
Apr 24 09:18:52 <danijoo> its a bit different
Apr 24 09:19:26 <danijoo> the main work is done in onBindViewHolder() and onCreateViewHolder()
Apr 24 09:22:42 <claint> danijoo: yeah, I added a listener on the whole view holder in onCreateViewHolder, I am guessing that will work.
Apr 24 09:24:12 <claint> yeah, it works. Except I need to show the onClick animation somehow as well.
Apr 24 09:25:50 <claint> hmmm, onBindViewHolder() might be the better place, since it has the position.
Apr 24 09:29:47 <danijoo> set a tag on the view or sth
Apr 24 09:29:54 <danijoo> then you can use view.getTag in onclicklistener
Apr 24 09:30:08 <wheatthins> Well, I'm able to push apps to glass by adb
Apr 24 09:30:11 <wheatthins> good enough I guess for now
Apr 24 09:30:14 <wheatthins> 430am
Apr 24 09:32:52 <Tobbi> Hey. Is there a way to create an activity entirely programmatically?
Apr 24 09:33:14 <Tobbi> So, without even specifying it in the android manifest, but by just saying...create an activity and make it main.
Apr 24 09:33:40 <danijoo> Tobbi, nope. it MUST be defined in manifest
Apr 24 09:33:50 <Tobbi> Alright.
Apr 24 09:33:52 <ektos> danijoo: so any ides ?
Apr 24 09:34:01 <danijoo> ektos, for what?
Apr 24 09:34:38 <ektos> danijoo: The fragmentTransaction that replace 2 fragment and is not executed
Apr 24 09:35:01 <danijoo> can you show the code again? :)
Apr 24 09:36:45 <ektos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/X8EkKKjj
Apr 24 09:37:14 <ektos> danijoo: I've added a                 _supportFragmentManager.executePendingTransactions();
Apr 24 09:37:15 <ektos>  
Apr 24 09:37:34 <danijoo> just pastebin your whole transaction code
Apr 24 09:38:05 <ektos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/utCuEK2t
Apr 24 09:45:23 <danijoo> you shoudnt need to call executependind transactions. they are executed right when commit is triggered
Apr 24 09:45:34 <danijoo> also.. oh my god. _ in variable names.. :p
Apr 24 09:54:10 <capella> javascript!
Apr 24 09:54:43 <capella> oh "in", I thought you meant as a prefix :)
Apr 24 09:54:49 <sci-fic> can i cancel a sync adapter in onPerformSync method  and behave like it never worked ?
Apr 24 10:38:59 <Lonesoldier728> after a facebook login my mainactivity seems to be created twice... what can be the cause of that... I feel like i am missing something here
Apr 24 10:45:21 <Papipo> ListView had some sort of horizontal dividers, right? How can I get some of those in an RecyclerView?
Apr 24 10:47:01 <Papipo> I've seen some examples using a custom DividerItemDecorator
Apr 24 10:47:09 <Papipo> but, seriously, how overkill is that
Apr 24 10:48:36 <s9iper1> i am loading videos and  their bitmaps but app gets slow even i am doing it with Async task. how can i make it faster ?
Apr 24 10:49:22 <Lonesoldier728> nvm
Apr 24 10:54:43 <onto> Hello again! I have been trying to get a square camera preview for a few days now but no success. Here's the code I currently have, changing the scale of the textureview changes the aspect ratio of the image. I just want to crop the preview to show the bottom half of the image as a square. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fb2f730c6243a0221c04
Apr 24 11:09:53 <danijoo> s9iper1, show how you do it. and "app gets slow" could mean anything. Does it give you ANR or "skipping frames" ?
Apr 24 11:47:15 <MattEmery> Hi all
Apr 24 11:47:36 <MattEmery> I'm looking for some advice on how to implement caching in my app
Apr 24 11:48:57 <MattEmery> I'm currently grabbing a list of data (Name, address, rating) from my website using JSON and displaying them in a ListView... Eventually I want to change to RecyclerView
Apr 24 11:49:50 <MattEmery> Not sure of the best way to cache the data in the list so it doesn't need to grab it every time the app is opened? When would be the best time to update the list as the rating field will change
Apr 24 12:01:24 <danijoo> MattEmery, use cache headers
Apr 24 12:01:38 <autrilla_> wth https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@33.5155112,73.0632226,15z
Apr 24 12:01:51 <danijoo> autrilla_, wtf
Apr 24 12:08:40 <MattEmery> danijoo, cache headers? Thanks, I'll look into it.
Apr 24 12:14:14 <eAndrius> if I sign an APK which requires system app permissions with the same keys that the Android binary was built, can I install it as I would any other apk?
Apr 24 12:14:33 <eAndrius> and still have the system level permissions granted?
Apr 24 12:15:27 <MattEmery> Now to try and figure out the best way to keep my app logged into my website...
Apr 24 12:16:55 <cristen> What is the best way to display a web image the way the gallery does (with zoom etc…) ?
Apr 24 12:17:06 <mflow> Android Is Peeing on an Apple in Pakistan - Google Maps: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/24/google-maps-hides-an-image-of-the-android-robot-pissing-on-apple
Apr 24 12:17:29 <cristen> I tried creating a File from a bitmap and lauching an ACTION_VIEW intent but it shows a black screen
Apr 24 12:20:03 <danijoo> MattEmery, tokens
Apr 24 12:20:30 <danijoo> its the same strategy you would use to keep your brower login
Apr 24 12:20:42 <danijoo> send a token after login and let the app send it back with each request
Apr 24 12:21:41 <MattEmery> Brilliant, thank you.
Apr 24 12:28:19 <jutsi> How long does it usually take for you guys  to finish an app? Like from concept to release?
Apr 24 12:30:32 <danijoo> depends
Apr 24 12:31:19 <jutsi> Well i could ask shortest - avg - longest, but I feel it'd be too much of a hassle for anyone to reply to that
Apr 24 12:31:47 <jutsi> i know that avg is also  sort of tricky as its highly dependant on what you're working on
Apr 24 12:32:11 <danijoo> id answer 20 minutes - few month - years if you ask that :p
Apr 24 12:32:35 <helicopter88> if the app is just an app that has a button to do something crazy simple, 5 minutes :P
Apr 24 12:32:40 <jutsi> you've released an app in 20 mins? o.O
Apr 24 12:33:12 <jutsi> Now i'm curious, what app has taken 20 mins to make ?
Apr 24 12:33:12 <danijoo> jutsi, i called it hallo world
Apr 24 12:33:25 <jutsi> danijoo but you released it on the google play?
Apr 24 12:33:30 <danijoo> its a bit like hello world, but with an a
Apr 24 12:33:50 <danijoo> thats not what you ask :p
Apr 24 12:34:00 <jutsi> It is
Apr 24 12:34:04 <jutsi> from concept to release, i asked
Apr 24 12:34:31 <helicopter88> well, release could mean anything
Apr 24 12:34:35 <danijoo> there are other release strategies than google play
Apr 24 12:34:47 <danijoo> i released it to everyone that writes me a mail with the secret key word
Apr 24 12:34:54 <jutsi> I guess i was kind of ambigous on that
Apr 24 12:34:55 <danijoo> oh and its 5$.
Apr 24 12:35:05 <danijoo> :p
Apr 24 12:35:12 <helicopter88> in app purchases too?
Apr 24 12:35:26 <helicopter88> you should offer for 99c the upgrade that makes the h H
Apr 24 12:35:38 <jutsi> i guess the "o" in hallo was dlc?
Apr 24 12:35:55 <helicopter88> yea, with the o it would be too big to fit into play store limits
Apr 24 12:35:56 <danijoo> there are also 2 interstitial videos if you want to close it once it opens
Apr 24 12:36:12 <jutsi> and ads!
Apr 24 12:36:49 <danijoo> jutsi, honestly you cant answer that. my first app took more than a half year and im still adding stuff since 1 year
Apr 24 12:37:05 <danijoo> i recently "finished" another one in about 2 month from concept to play store release
Apr 24 12:37:14 <jutsi> No, but I was just asking because im an entrepenour and i just got hired to make an estimate of how much it would cost to make one app, and i estimated i'd need two months to complete it, which made me curious as to how long others take to finish apps
Apr 24 12:37:43 <danijoo> it also really depends on how long you work a day
Apr 24 12:37:51 <helicopter88> I guess it also depends on what's the quality of the final app
Apr 24 12:37:54 <jutsi> isn't 8 hours pretty standard?
Apr 24 12:38:01 <helicopter88> if you're ok with a few bugs, it can take less
Apr 24 12:38:11 <danijoo> im just a student. if its in the middle of a semester, it takes my less time. When there are finals, I cant work at all
Apr 24 12:38:27 <arkaros> Hi! I have a quiestion regarding the styling of buttons. The buttons i have looks fine but in android 5 a shadow border gets added to them. I have tried googleing on how to remove it but so far no luck. Anyon know how to remove the added borders in android 5?
Apr 24 12:38:52 <danijoo> another important thing are graphics. If you need custom assets and have to do them on your own, it takes months.
Apr 24 12:39:15 <jutsi> yes!
Apr 24 12:39:21 <jutsi> i hate doing graphics
Apr 24 12:39:28 <jutsi> i mean i get to charge more for it, but its so time consuming
Apr 24 12:39:50 <danijoo> making ETA is really hard imo
Apr 24 12:45:30 <arkaros> Please someone how do you disable the elevation of a button in android 5
Apr 24 12:45:55 <danijoo> set it to 0 ?
Apr 24 12:46:36 <arkaros> I have tried. It doesnt work :/
Apr 24 12:46:56 <arkaros> Android 5 adds like a shadow to the bottom of my button and i want the button to be flat
Apr 24 12:49:47 <danijoo> arkaros, did you set a custom selector as background?
Apr 24 12:51:07 <arkaros> Not a selector but a drawable
Apr 24 12:51:40 <arkaros> And the buttons looks fine in previous versions of android but in android 5 it just decides for some reason to add a border to the bottom
Apr 24 12:52:05 <danijoo> what theme are you using as parent?
Apr 24 12:52:17 <danijoo> can you show the button's xml + styles.xml?
Apr 24 12:52:28 <arkaros> Yeah
Apr 24 12:53:59 <arkaros> http://pastebin.com/RbSZPGch
Apr 24 12:54:21 <alesis> If my apk is signed with the platform keys, can it be installed on an unrooted phone and have all the system privileges?
Apr 24 12:55:11 <danijoo> alesis, i think not
Apr 24 12:55:29 <danijoo> system priveleged apps are installed to a different location
Apr 24 12:55:31 <Mavrik> alesis, depends on privileges in question
Apr 24 12:55:36 <danijoo> (somewhere in /system i think)
Apr 24 12:55:41 <Mavrik> alesis, but for permissions that require signature, it will work yes
Apr 24 12:55:47 <Mavrik> danijoo, not really
Apr 24 12:56:00 <Mavrik> danijoo, play services are installed on /data as well, otherwise you can't update them
Apr 24 12:56:17 <Mavrik> even though, base APKs are on /system indeed
Apr 24 12:56:59 <danijoo> yeah im not that much into that. All I know is that you have to flash something into /system to install gapps :p
Apr 24 12:57:44 <eAndrius> http://nelenkov.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/code-signing-in-androids-security-model.html
Apr 24 12:57:54 <eAndrius> look for "platform keys"
Apr 24 12:58:32 <danijoo> is there a tl;tr version?
Apr 24 12:59:13 <alesis> thanks guys
Apr 24 13:00:09 <danijoo> arkaros, and your base theme?
Apr 24 13:00:16 <danijoo> Theme.AppCompat?
Apr 24 13:01:08 <fruitsNveggies> how do i change the emulator veriso to 4.1?
Apr 24 13:01:22 <arkaros> The base for the entire app is Theme.AppCompat.Light.NoActionBar
Apr 24 13:01:38 <Mavrik> alesis, basically the permission name is SIGNATURE_OR_SYSTEM
Apr 24 13:01:48 <Mavrik> that means that either you share the signature or you're installed as part of the image
Apr 24 13:01:56 <danijoo> fruitsNveggies, you have to create a new emulator
Apr 24 13:01:58 <Mavrik> of course, each image is usually signed with a different key
Apr 24 13:02:45 <fruitsNveggies> danijoo, how?
Apr 24 13:03:16 <danijoo> the same way you created your first one :p
Apr 24 13:05:45 <danijoo> arkaros, your button style has no parent. i dont know if thats the problem but im not doing something special with my buttons and dont have that shadow
Apr 24 13:05:56 <danijoo> what im doing is <style name="CustomButton" parent="android:Widget.Button">
Apr 24 13:07:13 <arkaros> I think i fixed it by changing the base theme to Holo.Light
Apr 24 13:07:44 <danijoo> but you lose material style with that
Apr 24 13:08:04 <danijoo> thats like releasing a windows program with flat windows 95 style
Apr 24 13:08:33 <benawad> Can you add a share action provider to a custom actionbar layout?
Apr 24 13:09:48 <danijoo> benawad, what?
Apr 24 13:10:27 <benawad> I want this http://developer.android.com/training/sharing/shareaction.html
Apr 24 13:10:41 <benawad> But my action bar has a custom layout, so it does not have items
Apr 24 13:11:35 <danijoo> well. if you have a custom layout and cant add a menu, you have to do it manually
Apr 24 13:12:00 <danijoo> or use toolbar. then you can always add menu
Apr 24 13:12:14 <benawad> what is a toolbar?
Apr 24 13:12:42 <danijoo> the thing that deprecated actionbar since api level 21
Apr 24 13:13:34 <benawad> Does it work for lower apis?
Apr 24 13:13:44 <danijoo> it has a support version
Apr 24 13:13:53 <danijoo> in support-v7 revision 21+
Apr 24 13:14:21 <benawad> ok thanks I am going to check that out
Apr 24 13:15:56 <arkaros> Well changing the app theme worked but i broke other pars of the app
Apr 24 13:16:06 <arkaros> So i need to fix it some other way
Apr 24 13:16:16 <danijoo> read my suggestions
Apr 24 13:16:17 <arkaros> I have tried 3 diferent parenst but no result
Apr 24 13:16:40 <danijoo> leave the apptheme and just change parent for your button style
Apr 24 13:17:20 <arkaros> Do you have a sugestion for a button parent because so far i have tried 3 and nothing changes
Apr 24 13:17:32 <danijoo> android:Widget.Button
Apr 24 13:18:08 <sci-fic> <solid android:color="@color/bg_toolbar" /> why this is not coloring my toolbars background ?
Apr 24 13:18:44 <arkaros> Changing it does nothing im afraid
Apr 24 13:19:53 <arkaros> The border is til there
Apr 24 13:21:20 <arkaros> There must be some android 5 specific setting because it works perfectly on all the previous versions
Apr 24 13:30:17 <ventura> may anyone give some tips of evaluate if it is worthy to implement a content provider?
Apr 24 13:31:19 <arkaros> Any more ideas why android 5 adds elevation to my buttons. I have scouted the entire internet for info but nothing
Apr 24 13:32:16 <arkaros> Like why would google implement a custom style to a button that you cant remove. There has to be a setting somewhere
Apr 24 13:37:57 <sci-fic> hey
Apr 24 13:39:17 <sci-fic> why this is not coloring my toolsbar's background ?
Apr 24 13:39:17 <sci-fic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878692/
Apr 24 13:39:44 <diegoaguilar> Hello, whats correct way to add a font to an android project
Apr 24 13:39:52 <diegoaguilar> Im not sure if I should crete a new folder
Apr 24 13:40:06 <diegoaguilar> or place it at resources
Apr 24 13:42:24 <sci-fic> anyone ,*
Apr 24 13:43:50 <danijoo> sci-fic, how big is yout toolbar?
Apr 24 13:44:09 <danijoo> you are setting a top padding of 54dp, while a typical toolbar is much thinner.
Apr 24 13:44:45 <sci-fic> wrapcontent and minHeight ?attr/actionBarSize
Apr 24 13:44:51 <danijoo> also your shape is a line, and I think you dont want to color a line, but the whole actionbar
Apr 24 13:45:21 <danijoo> so your actionbar has about 32dp in size and you say start drawing after 54 dp. see where the error is? :0
Apr 24 13:45:21 <sci-fic> i just want a custom background colored tooblar + bottom border line
Apr 24 13:45:43 <sci-fic> :O
Apr 24 13:45:57 <sci-fic> i thought this is just for line
Apr 24 13:46:06 <sci-fic> and it was i guess let me test it
Apr 24 13:46:08 <danijoo> you set it for the item.
Apr 24 13:46:12 <Tomashe> Hey guys
Apr 24 13:46:14 <danijoo> not for the stroke..
Apr 24 13:46:37 <Tomashe> I was wondering regarding my hybrid app (html css images on inappbrowser). i got an app full of content , images text and so, also it got hidden side menu that open on click even, this side menu have arround 14 svg iconts with CSS markups and text thats it , when i open it on specific pages on my app and SCROLL up and down the images get blurry for seconds and than fixed. that wierd cuz
Apr 24 13:46:37 <Tomashe> in some situation the content behide the menu is much more intence with images/text and its not happening there. so i was wondering what could be the reason for the blurry effect, its like the device have hard time to paint it moving or somehting
Apr 24 13:49:35 <arkaros> If anyone is interested i fixed the problem with the button border. I never specified the buttonStyle in the base theme i just used the style as an inline style. Setting the buttonStyle paramater in the base theme to @android:style/Widget.Button fixed it. Thank you all for the help
Apr 24 14:15:18 <jobi> hi
Apr 24 14:16:35 <ventura> hi
Apr 24 14:17:22 <pfnQ> hmm, I wonder if there's a gms api for accessing drive sheets
Apr 24 14:17:36 <pfnQ> I want to use a spreadsheet as a rudimentary shared database
Apr 24 14:20:10 <ventura> pfnQ: create a google endpint isn't enough?
Apr 24 14:20:46 <jobi> I've setup my app to inject dependencies using dagger, and I'm injecting the modules in Application.onCreate
Apr 24 14:21:16 <jobi> I'd like to inject other modules in my tests, is there a way to run code in tests before the activity is created?
Apr 24 14:21:59 <ventura> pfnQ, i think that headache of accessing google drive sheets overcome the headache of creating a POJO at google endpoints (assuming you are not worried with write lock)
Apr 24 14:24:36 <benawad> I am saving "stuff /n more stuff" in an intent extra and the intent extra is not reading "/n" as a new line
Apr 24 14:25:14 <benawad> nvm
Apr 24 14:25:17 <benawad> I am dumb
Apr 24 14:32:24 <pfnQ> ventura, not what I'm looking for
Apr 24 14:40:42 <luist> how can i save a fragment state? or keep it working on background
Apr 24 14:42:39 <razzledazzle> man this MVP and DI thing..
Apr 24 14:47:30 <eemgr> Can you run unsigned apk's with ARCWelder?
Apr 24 14:49:46 <yiati> eemgr: Dunno, can't you just sign it with a debug key
Apr 24 14:49:57 <eemgr> oh?
Apr 24 14:50:05 <eemgr> I'm not sure! Havne't signed an APK yet.
Apr 24 14:50:05 <yiati> like normal
Apr 24 14:50:22 <eemgr> yiati: I'll look into that, thanks for the heads up.
Apr 24 14:50:35 <yiati> If you have tested an app in developer mode on a emulator/device then you have used a debug key signature
Apr 24 14:50:45 <yiati> The build system auto sign with the debug key for you
Apr 24 14:50:46 <eemgr> I use genymotion
Apr 24 14:50:50 <yiati> yep
Apr 24 14:51:03 <eemgr> I see an apk that is like myapp-debug.apk
Apr 24 14:51:08 <yiati> For release you have to sign with your own unique key
Apr 24 14:51:13 <eemgr> but that for whatever reason never loads in ARCwelder
Apr 24 14:51:22 <yiati> eemgr: Yeah you will usually see both that and an unsigned
Apr 24 14:51:45 <eemgr> yup, and you're saying that one of them should work in arcwelder, right?
Apr 24 14:52:06 <yiati> eemgr: Not sure, haven't messed with arcwelder :P sounds cool though I should try some time
Apr 24 14:52:07 <eemgr> I'm really just trying to narrow down the possible reasons for arcwelder not loading the apk.
Apr 24 14:52:18 <eemgr> yiati: ah alright
Apr 24 15:08:35 <treelzebub> Hey all, I have an issue with RatingBar. Implementation is just a dialog that directs user to email if < 4 stars, and to the Play Store if > 3 stars.
Apr 24 15:08:39 <treelzebub> The issue is that I want the initial rating to be 4 stars (for design/UX reasons)--but when the user selects 4 stars, it does not trigger onRatingChangeListener, as there is no change. I have tried using a regular click listener to handle this click, but it doesn't work. Have also tried setting rating to 3.99f, but then a 3-star rating doesn't register. Seems like there must be a quick way to handle this. Any ideas?
Apr 24 15:30:37 <pfn> oh, nice, api checks in lint is already implemented via asm
Apr 24 15:30:49 <pfn> I can just roll that up into my own thing
Apr 24 15:31:36 <LucaS05> hi. i'm developing an app with lots of images (restaurant menu). How can i handle those images? I will put them all in drawable?
Apr 24 15:33:53 <treelzebub> LucaS05: if you are not using different size images for different screen sizes, you can put them all in res/drawable-nodpi
Apr 24 15:34:25 <treelzebub> if you plan on supporting different screen sizes, read this: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Apr 24 15:35:43 <LucaS05> no different screen size support.
Apr 24 15:36:10 <LucaS05> treelzebub: anyway i need to count them cause i will show some of them in a viewpager
Apr 24 15:36:17 <treelzebub> great! then just put all your images in res/drawable-nodpi
Apr 24 15:37:33 <tricknology_> Morning :)
Apr 24 15:37:44 <bush13stbeav3r> good morning
Apr 24 15:38:47 <LucaS05> treelzebub: sorry for this dumb question, but you know how can i count them? (i'm a little bit in a hurry)
Apr 24 15:38:47 <pfn> and neat, lint uses some stuff from lombok for ast inspection, heh
Apr 24 15:39:36 <treelzebub> count the number of images? open a File Browser, select them all, and look for number of items selected ;)
Apr 24 15:40:42 <ventura> luist, define fragment state
Apr 24 15:42:40 <LucaS05> treelzebub: :D i mean in a programmatic way, but fortunately i've found the http://bit.ly/1zUSbvb
Apr 24 15:43:02 <treelzebub> of course you meant that. sorry! haha
Apr 24 15:43:28 <ventura> luist, saving the state using "onSaveInstanceState" and recovering using "onCreateView" is not enough?
Apr 24 15:45:20 <luist> ventura: i download a file with a progress bar and i don’t want it to be interrupted
Apr 24 15:46:38 <ventura> luist, you
Apr 24 15:46:50 <luist> ventura: but my onCreateView simply creates the fragment anew
Apr 24 15:46:51 <ventura> 1. start a download that is happing in background
Apr 24 15:46:59 <ventura> *happening
Apr 24 15:48:44 <ventura> 2. another application comes in UI context (for example, someone calls you at the phone)
Apr 24 15:49:14 <ventura> 3. your asynctask can not return back to the activity context and your download is gone.
Apr 24 15:49:18 <ventura> is this the scenario?
Apr 24 15:51:19 <ventura> luist, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20802572/downloading-files-from-server-using-intentservice-in-android
Apr 24 15:52:03 <luist> ventura: ill take a look
Apr 24 15:53:05 <claint> anyone remember that RxJava method that makes you skip null values?
Apr 24 15:53:06 <ventura> luist, use an IntentService for the download task. when it finishes, you can send a broadcast that is gonna be listened by your activity
Apr 24 15:55:47 <luist> ventura: in my fragment i have a button to check for updates. if there are any, i enable the download button, which downloads a package
Apr 24 15:56:06 <luist> ventura: if i leave the fragment during the download, it will reset the state of the fragment to before the “verify”
Apr 24 15:56:41 <arkaros> You should save the state in a Bundle then
Apr 24 15:56:49 <luist> ventura: if i click verify again, it will display the download and progress bar with the download in progress, where it stopped, but the downloaded file, in the end, is broken
Apr 24 15:57:30 <ventura> ok. for enable/disable the button, what arkaros solves your prob
Apr 24 15:58:14 <ventura> but if you wanna show a progress bar for your download, the only way i can think is using a ServiceConnection
Apr 24 15:59:37 <ventura> or sending local broadcast
Apr 24 16:00:43 <ventura> luist, Using ServiceConnection in a Service http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4300291/example-communication-between-activity-and-service-using-messaging
Apr 24 16:01:21 <ventura> luist, Sending a broadcast from an IntentService http://www.mysamplecode.com/2011/10/android-intentservice-example-using.html
Apr 24 16:02:32 <luist> ventura: does this mean i should download in the activity and not in the fragment?
Apr 24 16:02:56 <ventura> luist, s/activity/fragment/g
Apr 24 16:03:23 <ventura> luist, it means that you should not manage the download from the fragment
Apr 24 16:03:58 <luist> oh that makes sense.. so if i recreat the fragment, ill just update its UI and the download will not be interrupted at all
Apr 24 16:04:08 <ventura> luist, touch�
Apr 24 16:04:25 <luist> thanks, ill give it a try
Apr 24 16:17:57 <LucaS05> hey guys, i've this error on android studio: "cannot resolve symbol R". I've tried "Sync Project with Gradle Files" and "Clean Project"
Apr 24 16:18:10 <LucaS05> i've also tried restart android studio
Apr 24 16:18:13 <LucaS05> but i still get it
Apr 24 16:18:19 <LucaS05> do you have some suggestions
Apr 24 16:18:20 <LucaS05> ?
Apr 24 16:18:29 <TacticalJoke> You might have an error in an XML file
Apr 24 16:19:40 <LucaS05> i've changed any of them. i've an "no-dpi" image that is in red
Apr 24 16:20:37 <TacticalJoke> Shouldn't it be "nodpi"?
Apr 24 16:21:29 <binks316> +1
Apr 24 16:22:10 <LucaS05> sorry, my fault. it is "nodpi"
Apr 24 16:22:55 <binks316> hakunahmatatah
Apr 24 16:23:00 <binks316> ....it means no worries
Apr 24 16:23:21 <binks316> ..sorry, my kids had lion king on repeat for a week
Apr 24 16:24:11 <TacticalJoke> No worries about which time period?
Apr 24 16:25:19 <binks316> the time period where he put no-dpi instead of nodpi, then felt an apology was needed
Apr 24 16:25:28 <TacticalJoke> LucaS05:  Build the project and then go View > Tool Windows . Gradle Console.
Apr 24 16:25:33 <TacticalJoke> s/\./>/
Apr 24 16:25:35 <binks316> which, one should never apologize about learning
Apr 24 16:26:31 <TacticalJoke> Actually, View > Tool Windows > Messages (Alt+0) might be better.
Apr 24 16:26:46 <TacticalJoke> Android Studio's error reporting is so lame that I don't even remember this basic stuff.  :[
Apr 24 16:26:53 <TacticalJoke> This should be back-of-the-hand stuff.
Apr 24 16:27:02 <TacticalJoke> (As in "know it like the back of your hand".)
Apr 24 16:27:24 <binks316> yeah,...android studio was...is... kindof dumb at times
Apr 24 16:27:27 <benawad> Have you guys seen the ripple effect when you push the back button on a action bar?
Apr 24 16:27:51 <binks316> eh?
Apr 24 16:28:09 <benawad> How do you add that same effect on an image view or imagebutton
Apr 24 16:29:29 <benawad> anyone know?
Apr 24 16:29:31 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, I'm getting something similar in my ListViews by using ?attr/listChoiceBackgroundIndicator with AppCompat.
Apr 24 16:29:34 <TacticalJoke> Not sure if relevant, though.
Apr 24 16:30:15 <benawad> i will give it a try
Apr 24 16:30:58 <TacticalJoke> I see there's also ?attr/selectableItemBackground, but again I'm not sure whether that's the thing.
Apr 24 16:31:17 <benawad> did not do the same thing
Apr 24 16:31:45 <LucaS05> TacticalJoke: i have imported the R class, and it works
Apr 24 16:32:05 <benawad> I got an animation, but it was not the right one
Apr 24 16:57:30 <meadhikari> using Komensky, is it possible to have non empty validation but only if the edit text is enabled?
Apr 24 17:06:13 <benawad> Could someone help me add a touch effect to my image button?
Apr 24 17:07:09 <LucaS05> hey guys, how many times the getCount method of the FragmentStatePagerAdapter is called?
Apr 24 17:07:46 <tricknology> was reding a Python blog and.. “This code is so ugly, it looks like Java.” made me sad
Apr 24 17:08:52 <s73v3r> I remember seeing some Python written by Java guys who basically wrote Java in Python. It made me sad too
Apr 24 17:09:02 <tricknology> “When using FragmentPagerAdapter the host ViewPager must have a valid ID set.
Apr 24 17:09:02 <tricknology> Subclasses only need to implement getItem(int) and android.support.v4.view.PagerAdapter.getCount() to have a working adapter.”
Apr 24 17:09:03 <yiati> benawad: specific questions get better responses
Apr 24 17:09:16 <TacticalJoke> tricknology:  A lot of Python people seem to have an anti-Java attitude.  I don't get it.
Apr 24 17:09:21 <_genuser_> yo yo
Apr 24 17:09:28 <TacticalJoke> Personally, I don't find Python code very nice to look at.
Apr 24 17:09:40 <tricknology> It’s nice to code though
Apr 24 17:09:43 <eemgr> python <3
Apr 24 17:09:47 <eemgr> easy to read, quick to write
Apr 24 17:09:53 <tricknology> LocaS05: http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/5.0.0_r1/android/support/v4/app/FragmentStatePagerAdapter.java
Apr 24 17:10:00 <TacticalJoke> Slow to execute, hard to debug.  :D
Apr 24 17:10:07 <yiati> ^
Apr 24 17:10:08 <tricknology> LucaS05^
Apr 24 17:10:13 <yiati> Looks nice though
Apr 24 17:10:18 <eemgr> get all your errors at runtime!
Apr 24 17:10:22 <s73v3r> get PyCharm. Makes it much easier to debug
Apr 24 17:10:30 <tricknology> hahaha ^
Apr 24 17:10:56 <tricknology> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone and tried to debug the wrong line
Apr 24 17:11:38 <TacticalJoke> I think Kotlin is much nicer.  Static typing and all the modern niceties.
Apr 24 17:11:55 <TacticalJoke> Rust also looks good, for native stuff.
Apr 24 17:12:01 <pfnQ> tricknology, Java is ugly, and python people have the right idea
Apr 24 17:13:44 <tricknology> I’m not going to argue with that.  Java is clunky as hell but there’s something about it I like..
Apr 24 17:14:44 <jaana> I would call Java verbose but not ugly, it’s a pretty consistent language when it comes to grammar
Apr 24 17:14:47 <jaana> and libs too
Apr 24 17:15:31 <jaana> python is completely schizophrenic, sometimes it’s oo, sometimes it’s procedural (len(s) instead of s.len()) and sometimes it’s vaguely FP (comprehensions)
Apr 24 17:15:40 <TacticalJoke> I think a lot of Java hatred is a humble-brag.
Apr 24 17:15:56 <jaana> It’s hip to hate Java
Apr 24 17:15:57 <TacticalJoke> It's basically "I know so many different languages that I *must* hate Java".
Apr 24 17:16:01 <g00s> huh https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/explore/cplusplus-mdd-vs
Apr 24 17:17:38 <eemgr> writing java takes *time*, which isn't a bad thing, but for some is hard to accept.
Apr 24 17:18:02 <myke> java is a mediocre language, but the ecosystem and jvm are significant entities
Apr 24 17:18:10 <myke> java culture is mostly a negative...
Apr 24 17:19:12 <tantalum> myke, Try groovy.
Apr 24 17:19:17 <s73v3r> Writing Java taking time is a bad thing, considering there are other languages that give you more for that time
Apr 24 17:19:44 <myke> s73v3r: hence the many languages that target the jvm
Apr 24 17:19:47 <TacticalJoke> IMO, IDEs are so good these days that I seldom feel like *writing* is slow.
Apr 24 17:20:01 <TacticalJoke> It's almost always readability.
Apr 24 17:21:32 <pfn> myke, jvm is awesome, otherwise, java sucks
Apr 24 17:21:50 <myke> yeah but java is still the reference language for the jvm
Apr 24 17:21:58 <pfn> doesn't make it any less shitty
Apr 24 17:21:59 <pfn> :p
Apr 24 17:22:05 <myke> yep
Apr 24 17:22:06 <pfn> reference implementations aren't typically the best
Apr 24 17:22:19 <myke> i held off learning java for like 20 years but then android
Apr 24 17:22:33 * pfn was an early adopter for java
Apr 24 17:22:45 <pfn> started at 1.0beta
Apr 24 17:22:46 * tricknology ‘s boss hates everything java
Apr 24 17:22:48 <pfn> it sucked
Apr 24 17:22:58 <myke> ouch
Apr 24 17:22:59 <pfn> hadn't figured its identity at that point
Apr 24 17:23:09 <myke> i waited until 2013 for C++ too
Apr 24 17:23:13 <myke> both good choices
Apr 24 17:26:06 <dimitrovskif> Hi guys, how to cross-fade two views? Should I use Fragments?
Apr 24 17:26:33 <dimitrovskif> I have two 'forms' and when I finish the first one I need the second one to show up without a new Activity
Apr 24 17:31:59 <s73v3r> Fragments
Apr 24 17:33:37 <eze> I am using AS and it says that it can't resolve symbol Log when I try to import android.util.Log... any suggestions?
Apr 24 17:34:28 <eze> in the import line "import android.util.Log;"
Apr 24 17:34:45 <TacticalJoke> eze:  Just type Log somewhere and press Alt+Enter.  You shouldn't be manually typing "import" statements anyway.
Apr 24 17:36:33 <TacticalJoke> If it still can't find Log then I can only guess you're in a Java module (as opposed to an Android module).
Apr 24 17:37:04 <eze> exactly
Apr 24 17:37:08 <eze> now it imported import sun.rmi.runtime.Log;
Apr 24 17:37:49 <eze> I am trying to debug a java module
Apr 24 17:37:58 <lasserix_> If you goto preferences/settings -> editor -> Auto Import there is checkbox for importing unambigious imports automatically
Apr 24 17:38:37 <TacticalJoke> You can't use Android stuff in a Java module.
Apr 24 17:39:03 <eze> so, how can I debug the module?
Apr 24 17:39:16 <TacticalJoke> You could use "System.out.println" or similar.
Apr 24 17:39:20 <TacticalJoke> That'll print to LogCat.
Apr 24 17:39:33 <TacticalJoke> Maybe use some kind of manual tag and filter on that tag.
Apr 24 17:40:03 <TacticalJoke> It might be easier to use System.err.println.
Apr 24 17:40:14 <eze> System.out.println will trow the output to logcat?
Apr 24 17:40:18 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Apr 24 17:40:30 <TacticalJoke> Android's Log methods ultimately do the same thing.
Apr 24 17:40:52 <eze> I see, so I will use System.out
Apr 24 17:41:26 <eze> I will try and see how does that work. Thanks
Apr 24 17:41:50 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, there are some people saying that System.out.println doesn't work on Android.  Works in my experience.
Apr 24 17:43:49 <yiati> #wat, how would it not work?
Apr 24 17:44:21 <TacticalJoke> Not sure.  Looking at the source, I get the impression that it should work.
Apr 24 17:44:26 <TacticalJoke> out = new PrintStream(new FileOutputStream(FileDescriptor.out));
Apr 24 17:45:07 <yiati> Maybe when they say it doesn't work on Android, they mean they believe it doesn't work on Android, and they are wrong :D
Apr 24 17:46:36 <eze> I have just run the app
Apr 24 17:46:48 <eze> and found the msg in the logcat as expected
Apr 24 17:46:59 <eze> System.out.println(TAG + "Start method called");
Apr 24 17:47:29 <eze> that worked
Apr 24 17:47:34 <TacticalJoke> Cool.
Apr 24 17:47:37 <chriys> hi all
Apr 24 17:48:05 <eze> thanks TacticalJoke
Apr 24 17:48:43 <perlsyntax> Does anyone know if google will go to only 64bits?
Apr 24 17:49:09 <yiati> I doubt anyone knows that
Apr 24 17:49:42 <perlsyntax> i was just asking thanks.
Apr 24 17:49:45 <perlsyntax> :)
Apr 24 17:50:13 <yiati> Do you mean if they will require Android to only support 64-bit and up?
Apr 24 17:51:05 <yiati> I'm sure Android will support 32-bit for a long time
Apr 24 17:51:21 <perlsyntax> yes
Apr 24 17:51:44 <perlsyntax> cool
Apr 24 17:52:37 <perlsyntax> yiati,I thought they would do the same like apple did.I worry to much.
Apr 24 17:53:13 <s73v3r> I’m sure eventually it will happen practically. I’ll bet they throw up a graph which shows what kind of processor your stuff is running on
Apr 24 17:53:42 <yiati> Android is very different, it supports more than just phones, so some applications of Android 64-bit just doesn't make sense
Apr 24 17:53:49 <yiati> Do you mean on phones only?
Apr 24 17:54:10 <perlsyntax> i think i understand now.I mean for phone and tablet.
Apr 24 17:54:40 <perlsyntax> Sorry for the newbie question.
Apr 24 17:55:15 <yiati> perlsyntax: What s73v3r said, eventually it will. I haven't heard anything about it though, so it's difficult to really say "when"
Apr 24 17:55:50 <perlsyntax> yiati,Maybe i should get the nexus 9 just in case they do.
Apr 24 17:56:08 <s73v3r> I think within the next 1-2 years, all of the major tablets and smartphones will be 64-bit
Apr 24 17:56:24 <perlsyntax> i bet
Apr 24 17:56:31 <s73v3r> There will come a point where supporting 32-bit is kinda like supporting android 2.3. Why bother?
Apr 24 17:56:42 <yiati> I highly doubt they will "require" it within 1-2 years, or over the life of 1 phone from now
Apr 24 17:56:55 <perlsyntax> i thought my nexus 6 was 64bit when i got it but turn out to be 32bit.
Apr 24 17:57:14 <s73v3r> didn’t Qualcolm just start shipping 64bit chips?
Apr 24 17:58:39 <perlsyntax> Got alot to learn about android:)
Apr 24 18:00:13 <perlsyntax> s73v3r,I not sure.
Apr 24 18:00:20 <s9iper1> how can i properly remove a notification. i am removing it by cancel(ID) but its not working it show the previous notification text on it ?
Apr 24 18:08:27 <lasserix_> Anyone got recomendation for best fab library? (just simple + )
Apr 24 18:09:16 <TacticalJoke> Gradle plugin 1.2 still doesn't have release notes.
Apr 24 18:09:32 <missingno> I suspect you know about this one already lasserix_ https://github.com/makovkastar/FloatingActionButton
Apr 24 18:12:16 <missingno> I'm on plugin 1.2 and get a mysterious '> Dependency Error. See console for details' at task prepareDebugUnitTestDependencies
Apr 24 18:12:39 <missingno> but only during test execution
Apr 24 18:12:52 <TacticalJoke> Anything in console?
Apr 24 18:12:59 <TacticalJoke> I haven't tried 1.2 yet.
Apr 24 18:13:22 <masterjef> missingno, does running gradle dependencies show anything?
Apr 24 18:13:22 <missingno> if I'm running in the commandline, where is the console?
Apr 24 18:13:34 <missingno> one would think it would be the same place
Apr 24 18:13:39 <masterjef> same thing
Apr 24 18:13:46 <TacticalJoke> Alt+0 or View > Tool Windows > Gradle Console.
Apr 24 18:13:53 <TacticalJoke> Alt+0 = Messages.
Apr 24 18:15:17 <missingno> btw is there supposed to be a testing-support-lib:0.2? I think it was mentioned alongside espresso 2.1, but it's not in the google repo
Apr 24 18:15:40 <in_deep_thought> has anyone worked with beacons before? I am interested in how low the range can go? I want the signal only to reach the phone within a few inches
Apr 24 18:15:47 <in_deep_thought> is that possible?
Apr 24 18:15:58 <missingno> why not nfc
Apr 24 18:16:09 <in_deep_thought> just want to experiment with beacons
Apr 24 18:17:01 <missingno> masterjef: ./gradlew app:dependencies shows the dependency tree as usual
Apr 24 18:17:22 <missingno> and the gradle console is empty when trying to run a test from AS
Apr 24 18:19:36 <TacticalJoke> Is your run task using "Gradle-aware make" instead of "Make"?
Apr 24 18:20:05 <g00s> missingno https://plus.google.com/+AndroidDevelopers/posts/Asi9hzcmCJo
Apr 24 18:21:53 <missingno> g00s: did it get replaced with other deps?
Apr 24 18:22:13 <g00s> i dont think so O.o
Apr 24 18:22:49 <missingno> the example build.gradle at https://developer.android.com/tools/testing-support-library/index.html doesn't even include it
Apr 24 18:24:14 <missingno> https://github.com/googlesamples/android-testing/commit/b86940fca297d4266a8bbe8a5e830df7818e71b8
Apr 24 18:24:20 <missingno> that answers that, it's gone daddy gone
Apr 24 18:34:20 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/3ef8cb8a7df217a8532a
Apr 24 18:34:22 <pfn> sweet, that works
Apr 24 18:34:27 <pfn> now I need to repackage that into something reusable
Apr 24 18:35:01 <jbcfr> when you fire an intent to open the Play Store, how do you set the 'referrer' parameter that you would normally set as a url param?
Apr 24 18:37:19 <g00s> pfn the video exported by adb screenrecord - mp4 - does that play on windows media player without additional codecs / software ?
Apr 24 18:37:38 <pfn> g00s, yes
Apr 24 18:37:45 <g00s> thanks
Apr 24 18:43:47 <luist> doesnt API 15 have android:textAlignment ?
Apr 24 18:44:34 <TacticalJoke> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html#textAlignment
Apr 24 18:44:39 <missingno> wow gradle-2.4-rc-1-bin.zip is 44megs
Apr 24 18:44:56 <Anthaas> Evenin' all!
Apr 24 18:45:13 <missingno> good morning
Apr 24 18:45:22 <Anthaas> That too
Apr 24 18:45:29 <TacticalJoke> Anthaas:  You watching the snooker?
Apr 24 18:45:46 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: I was earlier. Whats happened?
Apr 24 18:46:08 <TacticalJoke> Not sure.  Just seeing Selby being down to McGill.
Apr 24 18:46:17 <TacticalJoke> Actually, I don't have a clue who anyone is since I've not watched it in years.
Apr 24 18:46:35 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: As long as good ol' Ronnie is still in it. I haven't either to be honest - recognise a few names.
Apr 24 18:46:41 <TacticalJoke> Is he still good?
Apr 24 18:46:45 <Anthaas> Yeah.
Apr 24 18:47:45 <TacticalJoke> I'd like to see a 147 by him again.  :D
Apr 24 18:47:54 <Anthaas> He has 13 to his name.
Apr 24 18:47:58 <TacticalJoke> Nice.
Apr 24 18:48:07 <Anthaas> So impressive when he just gets in the zone.
Apr 24 18:48:28 <Anthaas> Just reading
Apr 24 18:48:57 <Anthaas> In Dec 2014, Ronnie won his 5th UK championship whilst playing with a broken ankle... haha
Apr 24 18:49:04 <TacticalJoke> Damn.  haha
Apr 24 18:49:11 <TacticalJoke> I assumed he wouldn't be any good anymore.  Glad he's still going.
Apr 24 18:49:17 <pakcjo> hi, is there a way to force the upgrade of an apk with different certificate?
Apr 24 18:49:51 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Time for me to get back to developing this app, had the missus around for the week so we went walking n stuff.
Apr 24 18:50:01 <Anthaas> Turns out the Peak District is actually quite nice in the sun haha
Apr 24 18:50:12 <TacticalJoke> I bet.  :D
Apr 24 18:55:26 <Anthaas> Right
Apr 24 18:55:32 <Anthaas> Time to create this Gson TypeAdapter
Apr 24 18:57:08 <missingno> well upgrading to gradle 2.4-rc1 solved my plugin 1.2.0 'Dependency Error'
Apr 24 19:04:41 <g00s> yeah i'm using 1.2.0 and 2.4Rc1 too
Apr 24 19:04:49 <g00s> so far, haven't had many issues
Apr 24 19:08:15 <luist> if my app is going to run on a device with API 15, should i configure targetSdkVersiom, minSdkVersion and/or compileSdkVersion to 15?
Apr 24 19:09:26 <ventura> luist, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4568267/android-min-sdk-version-vs-target-sdk-version
Apr 24 19:10:20 <luist> ventura: thanks.. got it
Apr 24 19:14:33 <lasserix_> When I use addView(view, indexToAdd) does the view currently at indextoadd get bumped?
Apr 24 19:14:44 <g00s> pfn so ... these solutions to fix that dumb samsung appcompat thing - rely on the obfuscation renaming some internal things; won't that mess up my stack traces though ?
Apr 24 19:15:41 <g00s> from google analytics, handling global exceptions - i would think so
Apr 24 19:16:10 <SimonVT> Well, if you rename a class, it will have a different name
Apr 24 19:16:14 <g00s> or - are we saying 'dont obfuscate the app, just the internal parts of appcompat'
Apr 24 19:16:16 <arkaros> lasserix_ i think so but you should probably not take my work for it. Try it
Apr 24 19:16:48 <adq> it will shift iirc lasserix_, it could have been named "insertView"
Apr 24 19:17:19 <lasserix_> thanks
Apr 24 19:17:33 <lasserix_> what should ripple color be? same as pressed state?
Apr 24 19:18:59 <pfn> g00s, it doesn't matter for your stack traces
Apr 24 19:19:11 <pfn> g00s, and you can always keep LineNumbers and SourceFile
Apr 24 19:19:22 <pfn> g00s, so even if it's obfuscated, you'll have the corresponding line number
Apr 24 19:19:35 <lasserix_> ^^
Apr 24 19:19:37 <pfn> g00s, additionally, you /only/ obfuscate the fucked up class in question, not everything
Apr 24 19:19:45 <Anthaas> Hmm, does anyone have a good Gson custom TypeAdapter example (e.g. public class MyClassAdapter extends TypeAdapter<MyClass>)
Apr 24 19:19:50 <adq> yeah and keep the mapfile of obfuscation ;)
Apr 24 19:19:59 <pfn> don't obfuscate everything
Apr 24 19:20:01 <adq> it's painful to revert to the corresponding revision to get it again in case you need it
Apr 24 19:20:04 <pfn> that's pretty dumb for most things
Apr 24 19:20:19 <pfn> code typically isn't valuable enough that it's worth the effort
Apr 24 19:20:43 <lasserix_> Anthaas: http://pastebin.com/4UayETw4
Apr 24 19:20:44 <adq> and classic obfuscation is automatically defeated (proguard)
Apr 24 19:20:50 <adq> in few sec
Apr 24 19:21:06 <Anthaas> lasserix_: Thanks!
Apr 24 19:21:24 <lasserix_> thjats how to catch "" for instance
Apr 24 19:21:25 <t0astt> Is Picasso still the best image loading library? Or are there newer ones that are more efficient, etc.?
Apr 24 19:21:27 <lasserix_> which throw an error
Apr 24 19:21:28 <lasserix_> https://google-gson.googlecode.com/svn-history/r1298/trunk/gson/docs/javadocs/com/google/gson/TypeAdapter.html
Apr 24 19:21:36 <lasserix_> t0astt: glide does gifs
Apr 24 19:21:49 <lasserix_> *apparently it is also supposed to load the images faster but i haven't tested that myself
Apr 24 19:21:51 <t0astt> That's interesting.
Apr 24 19:22:20 <Anthaas> Yeah, Im trying to create an adapter for a User class, but I also need to do ifs on a String to make sure I put the right values into the right properties.
Apr 24 19:22:24 <g00s> pfn ok, so #138 here https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377#c138 - states it obfuscates the internal menubuilder; but it will leave the rest of the app alone ?
Apr 24 19:22:37 <g00s> i so suck at proguard :|
Apr 24 19:22:59 <pfn> g00s, yes
Apr 24 19:23:26 <g00s> so basically i need a proguard-rules.pro with just that one entry then, i guess (in addition to the default one coming with tools)
Apr 24 19:23:29 <adq> lol at #1
Apr 24 19:24:10 <pfn> yay, my sbt build now has lint support, whoop
Apr 24 19:24:17 <pfn> or it will, soon as I integrate it
Apr 24 19:24:23 <g00s> cool, thanks. i misunderstood the whole thing and thought i had to obfuscate my whole app, which i didn't want to do :D
Apr 24 19:24:25 <pfn> well, not full lint, just api version linting
Apr 24 19:24:42 * pfn never uses proguard to obfuscate, so annoying
Apr 24 19:24:49 <pfn> decompilers don't work well for scala anyway
Apr 24 19:24:51 * pfn shrugs
Apr 24 19:26:40 <g00s> rxjava + proguard still requires some voodoo i think, meh
Apr 24 19:28:35 <t0astt> lasserix_: Yeah, Glide seems to be better at least in terms of memory efficiency. Check this out: http://inthecheesefactory.com/blog/get-to-know-glide-recommended-by-google/en
Apr 24 19:28:52 <pfn> g00s, should require no voodoo
Apr 24 19:28:59 <pfn> g00s, rxjava has no reflection
Apr 24 19:29:00 <t0astt> At least if you don't need to resize images
Apr 24 19:29:02 <pfn> or it shouldn't
Apr 24 19:29:17 <g00s> hm, it uses AtomicReferenceFieldUpdater
Apr 24 19:29:19 <pfn> only voodoo necessary with proguard is if you ever have any reflection
Apr 24 19:29:37 <pfn> yuck
Apr 24 19:30:13 <JakeWharton> lasserix_: does it make the internet faster?
Apr 24 19:30:29 <JakeWharton> t0astt: if you read that article you'd know they were exactly the same
Apr 24 19:30:41 <t0astt> JakeWharton: I'm still reading through it
Apr 24 19:31:06 <JakeWharton> Glide defaults to RGB_565 and Picasso defaults to ARGB_888
Apr 24 19:31:07 <pfn> meh, I wish CallSuperDetector were implemented in asm, that's a nice detector to have
Apr 24 19:31:31 <t0astt> JakeWharton: Although even when switched to ARGB_888 Glide still used less memory.
Apr 24 19:31:45 <t0astt> The caching is different as well
Apr 24 19:31:47 <g00s> i hear glide makes the internet faster by creating a wormhole between the two hosts, allowing quantum entanglement
Apr 24 19:31:53 <g00s> JakeWharton you need that feature :)
Apr 24 19:31:58 <JakeWharton> t0astt: no it did not
Apr 24 19:31:59 <JakeWharton> read
Apr 24 19:32:11 <JakeWharton> these articles are toxic
Apr 24 19:32:38 <JakeWharton> i'll just change Picasso's defaults and then show how Picasso CRUSHES the competition
Apr 24 19:33:02 * Anthaas punches chest twice.
Apr 24 19:33:41 <JakeWharton> it's a strange article
Apr 24 19:33:41 <t0astt> I haven't done any research on my own into it, so I'm going purely off the article, but the author states "Let's take a look at memory consumption graphs once again. It appears that although Glide consumes almost 2 times than previous but Picasso still consumes a lot memory footprint more than Glide." Then shows http://inthecheesefactory.com/uploads/source/glidepicasso/ram2_1.png
Apr 24 19:33:54 * yiati gently wraps chest twice.
Apr 24 19:34:06 <yiati> s/wraps/raps/
Apr 24 19:34:08 <JakeWharton> t0astt: keep reading where the author figures out what the fuck they are doing
Apr 24 19:34:18 <JakeWharton> then you'll see this guy: http://inthecheesefactory.com/uploads/source/glidepicasso/memory3.png
Apr 24 19:34:59 <JakeWharton> we had the same thing happen when people used to compare Volley and Picasso
Apr 24 19:35:05 <JakeWharton> omg Picasso is so much more efficient and faster
Apr 24 19:35:23 <JakeWharton> it's these people who don't know how or what to measure
Apr 24 19:35:41 <JakeWharton> and end up benchmarking different things and/or the speed of the internet/bitmap decoding
Apr 24 19:35:51 <t0astt> lol alright
Apr 24 19:36:11 <adq> aside, i'm wondering why they deprecated ARGB4444 (officially: Because of the poor quality of this configuration, it is advised to use ARGB_8888 instead.) i don't buy the official version so easily
Apr 24 19:36:13 <JakeWharton> i don't care which you use, i just think this article is awful
Apr 24 19:36:29 <yiati> imgur is so much better than Picasso, I can browse my images on imgur at least
Apr 24 19:37:17 <t0astt> JakeWharton: So essentially Glide just uses defaults that make it faster than Picasso (with default config), but if Picasso is configured similarly to Glide, then they are equal?
Apr 24 19:37:30 <Anthaas> Ubuntu is better than Picasso. Picasso isnt even a good operating system.
Apr 24 19:37:31 <Anthaas> Also
Apr 24 19:37:35 <JakeWharton> +1
Apr 24 19:37:57 <Anthaas> I refuse to acknowledge any article that uses the word "better" without then substantiating the claim.
Apr 24 19:37:58 <JakeWharton> t0astt: yes. when configured for the same behavior, they're basically indistinguishable in memory/performance
Apr 24 19:38:08 <JakeWharton> there's feature differences for sure
Apr 24 19:38:18 <lasserix_> JakeWharton: that's why i said, i have not actually tested it
Apr 24 19:39:50 <lasserix_> t0astt: glide just has gif support, so if you need gifs
Apr 24 19:40:09 <JakeWharton> animated gif*
Apr 24 19:40:15 <JakeWharton> Picasso supports gifs just fine :)
Apr 24 19:40:16 <lasserix_> yeah sorry - animated
Apr 24 19:40:30 <Anthaas> I hate animated gifs
Apr 24 19:40:36 <JakeWharton> you are banned from the internet
Apr 24 19:40:53 <Anthaas> If I am going to sit there that long watching an animation, I woudl rather spend my time watching a video that would take equally as long but also have sound.
Apr 24 19:41:06 <Anthaas> Classic example, that sneezing baby panda. The gifs of that going around are somewhat pointless.
Apr 24 19:41:10 <yiati> or a vine
Apr 24 19:41:14 <lasserix_> JakeWharton: its true those imgur is better than picasso because as yiati stated you can actually browse your images on imgur!
Apr 24 19:41:15 <Anthaas> Exactly.
Apr 24 19:41:33 <yiati> gifs have their place though
Apr 24 19:41:34 <Anthaas> JakeWharton: Except ones of cats, obviously.
Apr 24 19:41:41 <Anthaas> Where?
Apr 24 19:41:42 <JesusFreke> so what you're saying is that the gif format needs to add sound support?
Apr 24 19:41:52 <yiati> reddit
Apr 24 19:41:58 <lasserix_> then it would be perfect clip format
Apr 24 19:42:00 <Anthaas> No, what I am saying is in 90% of the cases that I come across gifs, a video is much more suitable.
Apr 24 19:42:07 <lasserix_> well with a better compression
Apr 24 19:42:25 <Anthaas> animated gifs*
Apr 24 19:42:29 <TacticalJoke> I hate how videos have sound, though.  :[
Apr 24 19:42:30 <TacticalJoke> Sometimes.
Apr 24 19:42:42 <Anthaas> TacticalJoke: Use your headphones ;-)
Apr 24 19:42:50 <Anthaas> or mute haha
Apr 24 19:42:55 <lasserix_> espicially when you leave your porn unclosed and open your laptop in class?
Apr 24 19:43:00 <TacticalJoke> I do realise that "Let's use an ancient image format that was never intended to display video output" isn't a solution.
Apr 24 19:43:20 <Anthaas> lasserix_: or when your Mum walks in.
Apr 24 19:43:21 <eemgr> Does a viewgroup layout view's from the bottom of the hierarchy to the top?
Apr 24 19:43:25 <TacticalJoke> Animated GIFs are the PHP of imagery.
Apr 24 19:43:37 <Anthaas> Hey I dont mind PHP!
Apr 24 19:43:54 <Anthaas> People keep telling me to use Python. I threaten to use Perl.
Apr 24 19:44:15 <Anthaas> Suddenly PHP is OK.
Apr 24 19:44:29 <Anthaas> But I will eventually use Python.
Apr 24 19:44:31 <Anthaas> Eventually.
Apr 24 19:44:33 <TacticalJoke> eemgr:  Isn't it top of the XML file to the bottom?
Apr 24 19:44:46 <Anthaas> Anyway - brb, I gotta run get some Kellogs Special K.
Apr 24 19:44:55 <TacticalJoke> I used to love that stuff.  ;o
Apr 24 19:45:03 <Anthaas> Yeah the Hazelnut one is nice.
Apr 24 19:45:14 <Anthaas> Cutting all the crap out of my life (read: eating like a rabbit for a bit...)
Apr 24 19:45:37 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: Thats what I'm asking - I just need to know if my ondraw method will have the dimensions of its children (for something like child.getWidth())
Apr 24 19:46:40 <luist> any idea why is this error happening? It was working a while ago: http://paste.ofcode.org/4BUkqzFR7MdtSbWYfv3mQT
Apr 24 19:49:24 <JesusFreke> I suspect the class doesn't exist ;)
Apr 24 19:49:31 <groxx> yeesh that glide blog is horrible
Apr 24 19:49:36 <JesusFreke> are you using proguard? maybe it's getting renamed?
Apr 24 19:49:42 <shmooz> Anthaas: have you seen gfycat, it's a service that converts .gif's to .mp4
Apr 24 19:49:44 <TacticalJoke> eemgr:  Don't you have to use measureChildWithMargins  or something?
Apr 24 19:49:54 <TacticalJoke> I've not made a custom ViewGroup, so I'm not sure.
Apr 24 19:50:12 <eemgr> TacticalJoke: I'm fiddling with it, but I'll let you know once it works haha
Apr 24 19:50:29 <TacticalJoke> There's an example on here: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html
Apr 24 19:50:42 <lasserix_> eemgr most of the time it will but you can use onLayout as guarentee the dimensions have been set (until another layout occurs)
Apr 24 19:50:50 <groxx> eemgr: they lay out from top to bottom, but by the time you're in onDraw, layout has already finished, and it doesn't matter
Apr 24 19:50:54 <Anthaas> shmooz: But the sound is missing too, for most uses of gifs these days (people posting vines, or short videos (or sometimes even long ones!)) a video with sound seems more appropriate
Apr 24 19:51:02 <Mavrik> eemgr, your custom layout will layout its children in the order you do it (you have to call onlayout manually)
Apr 24 19:51:03 <Anthaas> I guess more than anything Im moaning about how people use gifs hahaha
Apr 24 19:51:07 <Anthaas> brb!
Apr 24 19:51:09 <Mavrik> but it will get called before first draw yes ;)
Apr 24 19:51:13 <eemgr> okay perfect, as long as onDraw (for the parent) is late enough that the dimensions are already set
Apr 24 19:51:15 <eemgr> then thats all i need
Apr 24 19:51:31 <adq> the draw is happening from bottom to top
Apr 24 19:51:31 <TacticalJoke> Anthaas:  True, a lot of animated GIFs posted on reddit need sound.
Apr 24 19:51:37 <lasserix_> eemgr you can also do like if (getWIdth == 0 && getHeight == 0) return
Apr 24 19:51:45 <lasserix_> since that means it hasn't been laid out
Apr 24 19:51:48 <adq> because if there is alpha per example (but also clip rect and many other things), it has to know
Apr 24 19:51:50 <adq> what is below
Apr 24 19:51:56 <eemgr> lasserix_: but when should we trigger a redraw?
Apr 24 19:52:00 <eemgr> s/we/i/
Apr 24 19:52:03 <lasserix_> it'll trigger the redraw
Apr 24 19:52:18 <adq> there were some video recently posted in android performance
Apr 24 19:52:29 <adq> one of them is explaining the draw calls (and overdraw issue) well
Apr 24 19:52:36 <lasserix_> if ondraw is called and it has no width or height then its still laying out so it'll all ondraw once it is finished
Apr 24 19:52:59 <TacticalJoke> I think we ultimately need two options: animated images (without sound) and videos.  And both should be efficient.
Apr 24 19:53:13 <adq> we need less bug
Apr 24 19:53:16 <TacticalJoke> I guess gfycat solves the first problem (and the second has been solved).
Apr 24 19:53:30 <TacticalJoke> Then again, it's just MP4s without sound, I think.
Apr 24 19:54:01 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: you need to make software that predicts what the sounds should be like and insert it
Apr 24 19:54:02 <TacticalJoke> What about a movie format that has a "play sound by default" flag?
Apr 24 19:54:08 <TacticalJoke> And the user can override this where appropriate.
Apr 24 19:54:22 <Mavrik> huh
Apr 24 19:54:26 <shmooz> people would love it cause it would make great comedy
Apr 24 19:54:28 <Mavrik> movie formats play sound by default as it is :P
Apr 24 19:54:37 <adq> TacticalJoke wants internet to collapse i see
Apr 24 19:54:39 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, but the flag would allow setting or unsetting this option.
Apr 24 19:54:47 <eemgr> inb4 flash
Apr 24 19:55:05 <TacticalJoke> So someone could post NSFW videos on reddit and disable "play sound by default" to be polite.
Apr 24 19:55:17 <TacticalJoke> So those at work don't end up on the streets.
Apr 24 19:55:29 <lasserix_> just make a chrome plugin that disables sound coming from a page
Apr 24 19:55:46 <Mavrik> TacticalJoke, you already have that feature
Apr 24 19:55:49 <Mavrik> it's called volume control
Apr 24 19:55:50 <JakeWharton> can't you already right click > mute a tab?
Apr 24 19:55:57 <adq> they added a tiny speaker in top-left of chrome tab
Apr 24 19:56:04 <adq> to show you which tab/page is playing sound
Apr 24 19:56:09 <adq> and that's pretty useful
Apr 24 19:56:10 <lasserix_> JakeWharton: i think only once / if it has already started
Apr 24 19:56:32 <shmooz> send them ear plugs with your app
Apr 24 19:56:56 <TacticalJoke> shmooz:  You always have the best solutions.  :D
Apr 24 19:57:09 <TacticalJoke> "Free earphones for the first 1,000 users!"
Apr 24 19:57:34 * groxx notices that nearly all iphones / androids come with earbuds too
Apr 24 19:57:51 <Mavrik> except nexuses. cheapass google
Apr 24 19:57:53 <TacticalJoke> It doesn't solve the "I'm lying down falling asleep and don't want to use earphones/headphones" problem, though.
Apr 24 19:58:09 <TacticalJoke> "And I'm too lazy to turn off sound."
Apr 24 19:58:16 <groxx> hm, true, mine didn't.  either that, or google assumes nexus-buyers don't NSFW@W :)
Apr 24 19:58:39 <wilornel> Hey guys! There is still no way to connect a wiimote to the android to play games, right? Are there any plans to get the issue fixed soon? (I think it has to do with bluetooth, right?) If not, does anyone know what exactly is the issue and how could I help with it?
Apr 24 19:59:17 <adq> lol, asking for what is the issue
Apr 24 19:59:20 <JesusFreke> heh. speaking of which, I was happy to find my new custom in-ears are actually comfortable when I'm laying down, with the side of my head on a pillow
Apr 24 19:59:23 <adq> no idea to be honnest
Apr 24 20:00:32 <lasserix_> anyone tried the bone inductance headphones?
Apr 24 20:00:36 <groxx> wilornel: I would guess that apps could integrate with it by hand, but I don't believe wiimotes appear as HIDs, so they're unlikely to get broad supprt.
Apr 24 20:00:40 <iViking> Ok I've got a SDK manager that can't download some files:  one of them is APIs (ARM system image) v19 r13
Apr 24 20:00:41 <iViking> I tried to download directly using chrome:  https://dl.google.com/android/repository/google_apis-19_r13.zip  and it returned a 404
Apr 24 20:00:46 <TacticalJoke> I think one problem is that Android's general volume control is hard to use.
Apr 24 20:00:56 <TacticalJoke> I mean the hardware-button thing.
Apr 24 20:01:04 <iViking> this is the right url syntax because it worked with other packages
Apr 24 20:01:04 <TacticalJoke> It's overloaded for various volume types.
Apr 24 20:01:36 <TacticalJoke> Why not show *all* volume controls on screen when we press a hardware volume key?
Apr 24 20:01:41 <wilornel> groxx: We used to be able to connect the wiimote to the android
Apr 24 20:01:44 <wilornel> pre v4.2
Apr 24 20:01:46 <TacticalJoke> Then I could quickly mute audio volume while keeping my ringer on.
Apr 24 20:01:47 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: some phones do
Apr 24 20:02:15 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: on my phone it only shows the one that is making sound
Apr 24 20:02:21 <TacticalJoke> Same here.
Apr 24 20:02:27 <shmooz> if there is no sound, it shows ringer
Apr 24 20:03:05 <shmooz> yeah I don't want to add a volume control for my media player, but I guess I'll have to
Apr 24 20:03:05 <iViking> google_play_services_7327000_r24.zip is also 404
Apr 24 20:03:11 <TacticalJoke> I'm lying down at 3am, I click a YouTube video from reddit, I press volume-down really quickly, the video nevertheless plays really loud (because I only turned down my ringer), and my neighbours get annoyed.
Apr 24 20:03:19 <JesusFreke> lasserix_: I'm kinda curious about those (the bone inductance onces). Haven't tried any though
Apr 24 20:03:23 <JesusFreke> ones*
Apr 24 20:03:38 <shmooz> I'll do it along with the equalizer I guess
Apr 24 20:04:01 <iViking> google_m2repository_r17.zip is also 404
Apr 24 20:04:36 <shmooz> TacticalJoke: I have that exact same problem too, with my app, I click some shoutcast radio to listen to and try to adjust volume before it starts playing, very annoying
Apr 24 20:04:37 <iViking> Those are the only files SDK Manager is saying 'URL not found'
Apr 24 20:04:53 <iViking> please acknowledge
Apr 24 20:06:29 <groxx> wilornel: hm.  just looked around at it, that's interesting.  dunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Apr 24 20:08:13 <wilornel> iViking: hey
Apr 24 20:08:23 <iViking> yes
Apr 24 20:08:57 <shmooz> I played the PC version of GTA 5 on highest settings at my rich friends place, just amazing
Apr 24 20:09:12 <iViking> wilornel: yes?
Apr 24 20:10:07 <g00s> JesusFreke that kinda makes me nervous (bone inductance) ... wonder if that sort of thing leads to vertigo / tinnitus
Apr 24 20:10:26 <g00s> as usual though, americans are lab experiments ... for science !
Apr 24 20:18:38 <s73v3r> I would like a pair to wear while biking. That way my ears are still open to hear cars
Apr 24 20:19:05 <groxx> s73v3r: why not strap a boombox to your bike, so everyone can hear too?
Apr 24 20:19:29 <s73v3r> well, it is NPR, so it might be hard for them to hear
Apr 24 20:19:36 <jaana> @JakeWharton Around for a retrofit question?
Apr 24 20:19:41 <JakeWharton> yes
Apr 24 20:19:53 <jaana> Why can’t I have both a @Part and a @Query on a method?
Apr 24 20:20:27 <groxx> s73v3r: heh, thus far I haven't heard people blasting NPR :)  nearly everything else though
Apr 24 20:20:31 <JakeWharton> because parameters are currently mapped 1:1 to their functions
Apr 24 20:20:55 <jaana> So I specify a @Part(“foo”) it automatically becomes a @Query of the same name?
Apr 24 20:21:34 <JakeWharton> no i mean it'll only recognize one
Apr 24 20:21:38 <JakeWharton> why do you need to specify the data in both a part and in the query?
Apr 24 20:21:49 <jaana> mmh good point
Apr 24 20:24:08 <iViking> I'm not getting any help here!  I've got 3 packages that SDK manager can't find, and that Chrome returns a 404 error!  Who should I contact?
Apr 24 20:25:17 <JakeWharton> iViking: I think it's widespread
Apr 24 20:25:21 <JakeWharton> just be patient
Apr 24 20:25:50 <iViking> JakeWharton: Widespread, as in it's not my fault?
Apr 24 20:26:03 <JakeWharton> yes. our CI is having problems resolving things from SDK manager
Apr 24 20:26:05 <burntcookie90> it's possble the main repos are down
Apr 24 20:26:12 <burntcookie90> nothing to do but wait it out
Apr 24 20:26:44 <iViking> I've tried directly downloading neighbor files from the same repo with success...
Apr 24 20:27:20 <iViking> Are the filenames incorrect?
Apr 24 20:27:28 <burntcookie90> well, that means the files could be missing at the moment
Apr 24 20:27:38 <iViking> That's brilliant.
Apr 24 20:27:58 <burntcookie90> which ones?
Apr 24 20:28:16 <iViking> Downloading Google APIs (ARM System Image), Android API 19, revision 13 Download interrupted: URL not found.
Apr 24 20:28:24 <iViking> Downloading Google Play services, revision 24 Download interrupted: URL not found.
Apr 24 20:28:33 <iViking> Downloading Google Repository, revision 17 Download interrupted: URL not found.
Apr 24 20:28:38 <g00s> oh, looks bugfix support 22.1.1
Apr 24 20:28:41 <paulo_> hello
Apr 24 20:28:54 <iViking> those are the only ones.  all others downloaded and installed successfully
Apr 24 20:29:01 <paulo_> scaling bitmaps for different resolution canvases work great. but how do I do the same for text?
Apr 24 20:29:01 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Where are you seeing that?
Apr 24 20:29:05 <TacticalJoke> I'm not seeing it on the usual page.
Apr 24 20:29:09 <g00s> sdk manager
Apr 24 20:29:11 <TacticalJoke> Oh.
Apr 24 20:29:19 <TacticalJoke> g00s knows everything before it's announced.  :D
Apr 24 20:29:29 <burntcookie90> yeah, i just pulled down support updates
Apr 24 20:30:07 <g00s> TacticalJoke i can explain that; usually google updates are very traumatic, and there is evidence that ripples of time flow backwards from those events
Apr 24 20:31:48 <burntcookie90> iViking: i seem to be able to pull 19
Apr 24 20:32:06 <iViking> burntcookie90: how?
Apr 24 20:32:17 <burntcookie90> it's downloading through the manager
Apr 24 20:32:47 <iViking> I still can't pull 19
Apr 24 20:33:24 <iViking> https://dl.google.com/android/repository/google_apis-19_r13.zip is still 404
Apr 24 20:34:07 <TacticalJoke> iViking:  while (true) { try { pullApi(19); } catch (NotFoundException) { Thread.sleep(10 * 60 * 1000); } }
Apr 24 20:34:13 <TacticalJoke> e ) *
Apr 24 20:34:27 <TacticalJoke> Wait, I need to break that loop at some point.
Apr 24 20:35:00 <g00s> you forgot your InterruptedException !
Apr 24 20:35:49 <burntcookie90> iViking: 13 doens't seem to exist, 12 does though
Apr 24 20:36:01 <burntcookie90> http://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/google_apis-19_r12.zip
Apr 24 20:36:07 <burntcookie90> r12*
Apr 24 20:36:22 <burntcookie90> just wait it out
Apr 24 20:36:43 <iViking> Oh for pete sake. I'm thinking this is a google problem.  because I also did this https://dl.google.com/android/repository/google_apis-18_r03.zip and it downloaded the zip file!
Apr 24 20:36:59 <burntcookie90> my sdk manager doesn't even show r13 as available
Apr 24 20:38:12 <iViking> my sdk manager fetches https://dl.google.com/android/repository/addon.xml
Apr 24 20:38:31 <g00s> i'd leave pete out of this
Apr 24 20:38:41 <iViking> <!--  Generated at Wed Apr 22 12:31:26 2015 from git_klp-sdk-release @ 1873184  --> <sdk:vendor-id>google</sdk:vendor-id> <sdk:vendor-display>Google Inc.</sdk:vendor-display> <sdk:name-id>google_apis</sdk:name-id> <sdk:name-display>Google APIs (ARM System Image)</sdk:name-display> <sdk:description>Android + Google APIs</sdk:description> <sdk:api-level>19</sdk:api-level> <sdk:revision>13</sdk:revision>
Apr 24 20:39:33 <burntcookie90> sorry dude, seems like this is out of our hands, just download r12 and use that if it's critica
Apr 24 20:39:36 <burntcookie90> l
Apr 24 20:40:08 <groxx> yeah, mine says 12 too.  maybe there are other requirements before it shows 13?
Apr 24 20:40:26 <wilornel> Anyone know about the bluetooth issue on android?
Apr 24 20:41:10 <TacticalJoke> Is there only one bluetooth issue?
Apr 24 20:41:40 <iViking> My second computer also shows 12...
Apr 24 20:41:57 <burntcookie90> wilornel: you're going to have to be a bit more specific
Apr 24 20:42:02 <iViking> android support repo and android support library is being downloaded
Apr 24 20:43:34 <theblang> is OpenHelper's onUpgrde called in a different thread?
Apr 24 20:43:37 <theblang> *onUpgrade
Apr 24 20:44:02 <burntcookie90> iViking: hit reload from the menu on your manager
Apr 24 20:44:48 <iViking> I'm getting your results on my second computer, but my laptop is somehow too early?  I'm deleting the problem packages and reinstalling them
Apr 24 20:45:56 <iViking> okay...It's my computer's fault
Apr 24 20:46:45 <iViking> somehow it's saying these three packages are available in revisions not yet available.  the hell?
Apr 24 20:46:59 <iViking> It's installing the right packages this time, 12 is the latest, not 13
Apr 24 20:48:12 <iViking> I'm gonna graduate with a computer science degree, and I couldn't figure that out?!
Apr 24 20:48:27 <whatitis> $ buys you anything
Apr 24 20:51:42 <shekibobo> anyone know why I might get a `BadParcelableException: ClassNotFoundException when unmarshalling` when using `appWidgetManager.updateAppWidgetOptions(appWidgetId, options)`?
Apr 24 20:52:15 <shekibobo> I added a custom parcelable POJO to the options Bundle before trying to update
Apr 24 20:52:36 <shekibobo> it marshall's and unmarshall's just fine when I send it in via intents
Apr 24 20:53:39 <yiati> make sure everything is in the correct order, and that nothing is missing
Apr 24 20:53:55 <shekibobo> yup
Apr 24 20:53:58 <shekibobo> did that
Apr 24 20:54:25 <g00s> pfn if i have rootProject(App) <- lib1 (minSdk=16) <- lib2 (minSdk=19) ... where does the manifest merger tools:override node need to be, in manifest for app or lib1 ?
Apr 24 20:54:29 <pfn> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/base/+/master/lint/libs/lint-checks/src/main/java/com/android/tools/lint/checks/RegistrationDetector.java#58
Apr 24 20:54:31 <pfn> heh, please don't
Apr 24 20:54:46 <pfn> g00s, root
Apr 24 20:55:04 <g00s> pfn ok, thats what i thought - but seems like manifest merger is breaking now with newest tools
Apr 24 20:55:15 <formerG> does anyone have any experience with creating a Singleton with a Looper in it? is this common? i want to implement a pattern like this for the class that interfaces to the database.
Apr 24 20:55:21 <g00s> in AS only for some reason
Apr 24 20:58:00 <groxx> formerG: "with a looper in it"?  like, `class MySingleton { Looper myLooper = someLooper }`
Apr 24 20:58:00 * pfn shrugs
Apr 24 20:58:08 <pfn> I don't think I've noticed a problem, haven't fully tested out 1.2.0 yet
Apr 24 20:58:11 <pfn> but my test suite passes
Apr 24 20:58:20 <g00s> yeah it works from CLI
Apr 24 20:58:24 <pfn> my test cases don't do anything with manifest merging though
Apr 24 20:58:30 <pfn> yeah, cli is all I ever care about  :p
Apr 24 20:58:56 <pfn> since the build process in ide just forks off the build proc for me
Apr 24 20:59:09 <g00s> seems AS is making these stub testRunners which would require that override
Apr 24 20:59:19 <g00s> but i dont have any tests in that module
Apr 24 21:00:06 <pfn> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/base/+/d1c7297016e98d8dc8b663bc46b05ee37fd7279f
Apr 24 21:00:10 <pfn> I wish we could comment on changes
Apr 24 21:00:12 <pfn> too late now
Apr 24 21:00:21 <formerG> groxx: what i want to do is have a singleton with an event loop in it
Apr 24 21:01:24 <formerG> groxx: setting up the Looper thread (the event loop) is slightlyt different than just {Looper myLooper ...}
Apr 24 21:01:30 <formerG> i guess it's not that common
Apr 24 21:01:44 <yiati> formerG: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
Apr 24 21:01:56 <fvf> Hello! How can I run unit tests on the development machine AND on the emulator?
Apr 24 21:02:34 <formerG> i've used this "Singleton with Event Loop" pattern in C++
Apr 24 21:02:43 <formerG> yiati: thank you. i'll take a look.
Apr 24 21:07:39 <shekibobo> it says ClassNotFoundException, which seems to me that it can't find my Alarm class
Apr 24 21:07:49 <Afzal> JakeWharton did you guys ever try this library for (de)serialization https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo
Apr 24 21:07:59 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 24 21:08:14 <shekibobo> I've tried options.setClassLoader() using several different techniques of retrieving a classloader, none of which work
Apr 24 21:08:26 <Afzal> okay
Apr 24 21:09:40 <Afzal> shekibobo tried cleaning the project?
Apr 24 21:13:05 <JakeWharton> Afzal: looks interesting, but never really played with it
Apr 24 21:13:19 <Satorin> I know this is not really the place for rooting-related questions, and therefor I apologize, but due to a strange way of fate I now need to reboot the device (into fastboot mode) using adb's "sideload" mode.
Apr 24 21:13:28 <Satorin> I have puked up the following: http://privatepaste.com/a2b8bc47c9 (and signed it).
Apr 24 21:13:30 <Satorin> But to no avail.
Apr 24 21:13:33 <shekibobo> Afzal: yep, cleaning changes nothing
Apr 24 21:13:34 <Satorin> Is there anyone to rescue me?
Apr 24 21:15:24 <Afzal> Satorin 'fraid not
Apr 24 21:17:05 <t0astt> Is there a better/faster library for dealing with JSON than GSON?
Apr 24 21:17:44 <Satorin> I managed to overwrite adbd in /sbin - thereby breaking my adb connection (device reports as "offline") - only "sideload" seems to work (in recovery mode). There is no way to get into fastboot mode on my device (except for "adb reboot bootloader", which I obviously can't use now). And, yeah, it's not rooted.
Apr 24 21:18:15 <Satorin> I can use the device, just not reflash the boot image.
Apr 24 21:25:10 <yiati> new AS update
Apr 24 21:26:17 <lasserix_> is there a plugin that ads ruler bars to preview?
Apr 24 21:26:28 <g00s> yiati i dont see anything, what version ?
Apr 24 21:26:41 <{orb}> guys, can you help me with switching my radio type setting from LTE/CDMA (PRL) to LTE/GSM (PRL)?
Apr 24 21:26:52 <g00s> {orb} no, wrong channel :)
Apr 24 21:27:01 <{orb}> g00s: it's custom ROM
Apr 24 21:27:11 <g00s> {orb} right, see topic
Apr 24 21:27:20 <{orb}> but even with stock firmware you can change it, so what gives?
Apr 24 21:27:23 <{orb}> any help now?
Apr 24 21:27:37 <g00s> its not app development
Apr 24 21:27:45 <{orb}> ok then, cheerios
Apr 24 21:27:52 <g00s> this isn't #android-customer-cupport
Apr 24 21:27:55 <g00s> *support
Apr 24 21:27:59 <{orb}> g00s: lol k
Apr 24 21:28:09 <yiati> g00s: 1.2 RC 2.0
Apr 24 21:28:17 <g00s> yiati that was so yesterday :)
Apr 24 21:28:30 <g00s> maybe even wed
Apr 24 21:28:30 <formerG> g00s: haha ... i wonder if #android-customer-support would be able to answer that type of question
Apr 24 21:28:38 <{orb}> g00s: AH can you teach me programming so I can android dev?
Apr 24 21:28:39 <lasserix_> do shadows not show up in preview?
Apr 24 21:28:42 <lasserix_> *text shadow
Apr 24 21:29:02 <formerG> g00s: maybe #android-engineering
Apr 24 21:29:07 <yiati> g00s: Hmm okay this is the first I've seen and it's not up on http://tools.android.com/recent
Apr 24 21:29:42 <Afzal> there's something further than rc2?
Apr 24 21:30:23 <Afzal> I didn't know moving 52gb would take 8 hours :/
Apr 24 21:30:26 <Afzal> SSD -> HDD
Apr 24 21:31:16 <yiati> Afzal: yeah I always manage to get hit with these notices ~10-30 minutes before they get any release notes up, so I can't tell whether it's something I want or not :P
Apr 24 21:31:23 <Afzal> :(
Apr 24 21:31:34 <Afzal> yiati are you talking about rc2?
Apr 24 21:31:43 <Afzal> or is there something more recent?
Apr 24 21:32:27 <yiati> Afzal: yes 1.2 RC 2.0
Apr 24 21:32:33 <lasserix_> Is it fairly straight forward to apply an object animator to a menu item?
Apr 24 21:32:37 <Afzal> ehh, that was yesterday :p
Apr 24 21:32:51 <yiati> Afzal: Okay I just saw it, and the release notes still aren't up
Apr 24 21:33:14 <Afzal> yup, weird
Apr 24 21:33:24 <Afzal> lasserix_ how do you want to animate a menu item?
Apr 24 21:36:26 <lasserix_> http://www.michenux.net/android-refresh-item-action-bar-circular-progressbar-578.html
Apr 24 21:57:04 <theblang> Are SharedPreferences kept in memory after being loaded the first time
Apr 24 21:59:53 <yiati> theblang: Looks like it, http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/4.0.1_r1/android/app/SharedPreferencesImpl.java#SharedPreferencesImpl.getString%28java.lang.String%2Cjava.lang.String%29
Apr 24 22:09:36 <HStark> I've been trying all day to flash a KDZ to my phone and I cannot figure out how to do it.
Apr 24 22:10:39 <lasserix_> How does Retrofit do its threading or can we modify this?
Apr 24 22:10:50 <JakeWharton> that is not an 'or' question
Apr 24 22:10:50 <JacobTabak> read the docs lul
Apr 24 22:11:27 <JacobTabak> u can set http executors and callback executors in the restadapter
Apr 24 22:11:33 <JacobTabak> or rxjava schedulers
Apr 24 22:11:52 <lasserix_> where in the docs?
Apr 24 22:11:56 <lasserix_> sorry im inept this friday
Apr 24 22:12:00 <HStark> The LGMobile support tool refuses to download USB drivers for the D415
Apr 24 22:12:05 <JacobTabak> ... the rest adapter docs
Apr 24 22:12:09 <JacobTabak> or rxjava docs
Apr 24 22:12:47 <HStark> And the exe some tutorial linked for said drivers downloads fine but it fails when I run it
Apr 24 22:19:49 <lasserix_> When caching network requests is it better to cache the raw json or the pojo?
Apr 24 22:20:09 <JakeWharton> in memory? on disk? where?
Apr 24 22:20:13 <lasserix_> on disk
Apr 24 22:25:12 <JakeWharton> how would you cache the pojo on disk?
Apr 24 22:26:00 <lasserix_> good point
Apr 24 22:28:24 <TacticalJoke> "Kotlin: Sexier than Java, and less insane and dangerous than Scala":  http://communications.globant.com/Comm/Events/ext/2015/FlipThinkingWebinar/
Apr 24 22:28:30 <TacticalJoke> Some talk (randomly found it on Twitter).
Apr 24 22:28:47 <burntcookie90> statements that i can get behind
Apr 24 22:29:34 <TacticalJoke> (To be clear, it's just a page about a talk, not an actual talk.)
Apr 24 22:29:58 <burntcookie90> yeah, it's a good title :)
Apr 24 22:30:00 <TacticalJoke> :D
Apr 24 22:30:04 <lasserix_> Let me reformulate the question: i have a list and i have a view pager. each row and view pager page corresponds to a location: each page presents some 40+ attributes (air temp, air quality, etc), each row has 3 of those 40. The api is such that I have to make 2 seperate calls to get all attributes for a page, but only have to make one call for the attributes of the list.
Apr 24 22:30:38 <lasserix_> and the api is such that each location requires its own call(s)
Apr 24 22:31:21 <burntcookie90> so, whats the issue?
Apr 24 22:31:22 <lasserix_> now i am just trying to figure out most effective way of reducing the number of calls and making loading everything fastest
Apr 24 22:31:33 <burntcookie90> you're going to have to do two calls
Apr 24 22:31:53 <burntcookie90> and you're going to have to wait for two calls to finish, so you can fully populate the page
Apr 24 22:32:03 <lasserix_> yeah i got that
Apr 24 22:32:51 <burntcookie90> so, if you're not using Rx you're going to have to verify the state of each call in the callbacks
Apr 24 22:33:02 <lasserix_> the list is shown first, so to minimize loading time for the list, i only do one call. then cache each, and for each page look up the cache and make the other call i guess
Apr 24 22:36:35 <phix> so a Handler, do I need to create the class in the GUI / main thread??  or does it matter if I create it in a differnt thread?
Apr 24 22:37:22 <lasserix_> so i had developed it the other way around, with the pages being first, so my pojo was originally what was required for the page. My question i guess was is it better to make a reduced pojo for just the list item, or to return the full pojo model and just use part if it in the list
Apr 24 22:37:35 <lasserix_> *since the calls in retrofit return you the object you want
Apr 24 22:37:54 <phix> The reason why I want to use Handler is to run stuffin the GUI  main thread
Apr 24 22:38:23 <lasserix_> phix: the main thread has a looper so you can attach handlers todo so Handler h = new Handler(Looper.getMainLooper())
Apr 24 22:38:59 <phix> lasserix_: ah ok, so I can create a handler anywhere as long as I use Looper.getMainLooper() as an argument??
Apr 24 22:38:59 <lasserix_> you can also make a lazy singleton class that has a handler on the main thread then you can just do UICallback.post(...)
Apr 24 22:39:21 <lasserix_> yeah but like i said you can also make a lazy singleton instead of creating handlers
Apr 24 22:39:29 <phix> lasserix_: ah ok, that is a good idea
Apr 24 22:39:41 <myke> application-level singleton pattern seems a bit underappreciated
Apr 24 22:39:47 <phix> how do I know it will go on the main thread??  do I need to do a local thread thingy?
Apr 24 22:39:55 <myke> dunno why subclassing application is discouraged, when we subclass activity all the time
Apr 24 22:40:07 <Satorin> Does recovery have it's own shell? Is it copied to /sbin?
Apr 24 22:40:10 <phix> or a different class loader?
Apr 24 22:40:25 <lasserix_> phix: Looper.getMainLooper
Apr 24 22:40:35 <phix> myke: yeah, IOC is the cool kid on the bl;ock these days :P
Apr 24 22:40:41 <phix> s/;//
Apr 24 22:42:26 <lasserix_> What's the best way to synchronize access to the disk?
Apr 24 22:42:32 <phix> IOC
Apr 24 22:42:53 <lasserix_> from disparate classes
Apr 24 22:42:55 <s73v3r> myke: Because it creates essentailly a giant Global Variable
Apr 24 22:43:20 <myke> s73v3r: ok?
Apr 24 22:43:47 <myke> people need to stop dogmatically preaching against global state when we still use it all the time under other names
Apr 24 22:44:03 <myke> guess what static class members are?
Apr 24 22:44:35 <myke> some things should be global, and globally visible
Apr 24 22:44:43 <tricknology> ^
Apr 24 22:45:16 <tricknology> lasserix_ synchronized?
Apr 24 22:46:08 <myke> with Looper.getMainLooper you don't really know which activity it will run on though?
Apr 24 22:46:23 <tricknology> Singleton pattern: http://www.journaldev.com/1377/java-singleton-design-pattern-best-practices-with-examples
Apr 24 22:46:27 <lasserix_> tricknology: i have some part of the app writing some cache i have some other part reading that cache that have nothing to synchronize on
Apr 24 22:46:39 <JesusFreke> https://plus.sandbox.google.com/u/0/+AnderWebbs/posts/DsfpW51Vvow
Apr 24 22:46:42 <myke> lasserix_: flock()?
Apr 24 22:46:50 <JesusFreke> see dianne's comment, re: application subclass
Apr 24 22:46:59 <lasserix_> myke: what?
Apr 24 22:47:07 <jaana> tricknology: Bad article, don’t use statics for singletons
Apr 24 22:47:16 <tricknology> even Bill Pugh Singleton Implementation?
Apr 24 22:47:35 <tricknology> why not and what is a better alternative?
Apr 24 22:47:42 <tricknology> I’ve always been curious
Apr 24 22:47:44 <myke> lasserix_: are you directly opening a cache file?
Apr 24 22:47:46 <jaana> use DI to inject your singetons
Apr 24 22:48:54 <myke> lasserix_: or, perfect example of when to use a singleton to provide a global lock...
Apr 24 22:53:44 <lasserix_> for textual data, is it better to cache in memory (on android) until application goes to background and then write it to disk?
Apr 24 22:54:48 <lasserix_> or does it not matter since writing to disk is relatively fast?
Apr 24 22:56:35 <myke> JesusFreke: after reading the comments i'm not at all convinced i shouldn't subclass application...the last question (what if code with no access to activity or app needs a context) is never answered
Apr 24 22:56:55 <myke> and the guy's singleton requires you to submit a context every time, exactly not solving the problem where you might not have it
Apr 24 22:57:16 <myke> even worse it ignores the submitted context if it already has one
Apr 24 22:58:23 <s73v3r> how often do you run into the situation where code needs access to a context without having access to activity or app?
Apr 24 22:58:46 <adq> or view
Apr 24 22:58:48 <adq> to often
Apr 24 22:58:52 <adq> TOO*
Apr 24 22:59:13 <s73v3r> like?
Apr 24 22:59:35 <myke> once is enough
Apr 24 22:59:36 <adq> like any simple classe needing to access getResources
Apr 24 22:59:45 <adq> or sharepref
Apr 24 22:59:47 <adq> sharedpref omg*
Apr 24 23:00:20 <lasserix_> is it better for memory cache to talk to disk cache or a service to mediate for both?
Apr 24 23:00:34 <s73v3r> the simple class should be receiving items, not resource IDs
Apr 24 23:02:17 <myke> lasserix_: if you're reinventing that wheel you're probably doing it wrong
Apr 24 23:02:34 <myke> that should be an operating system level function
Apr 24 23:02:46 <lasserix_> what are you talking about?
Apr 24 23:02:56 <myke> lasserix_: what are you doing?
Apr 24 23:03:08 <lasserix_> setting up repository
Apr 24 23:03:37 <myke> server side?
Apr 24 23:03:51 <lasserix_> a request comes into a service. checks memory cache, n? check disk, n? check network, y? dump in mem
Apr 24 23:03:55 <lasserix_> no
Apr 24 23:04:01 <lasserix_> repository as in pattern
Apr 24 23:04:17 <lasserix_> for instance how does picasso write to mem and disk cache?
Apr 24 23:04:21 <myke> you have both a memory and a disk cache in an android app?
Apr 24 23:04:24 <lasserix_> does it do both simaltanousily
Apr 24 23:04:26 <JakeWharton> picasos has no disk cache
Apr 24 23:04:33 <lasserix_> don't you cache the headers?
Apr 24 23:04:36 <myke> thank you thought i was going insane
Apr 24 23:04:45 <myke> why would you have them separate when the device is all memory anyway?
Apr 24 23:05:03 <lasserix_> memory cache doesn't persist between application life cycles
Apr 24 23:05:37 <groxx> lasserix_: if this is picasso related, it leaves that up to the network lib.
Apr 24 23:05:51 <lasserix_> no i was just using picasso as a model since i figure its well developed
Apr 24 23:06:01 <lasserix_> except i am working with textual data so
Apr 24 23:06:13 <TacticalJoke> How much text is it?
Apr 24 23:06:24 <lasserix_> not too much
Apr 24 23:06:46 <lasserix_> 200kb * 1-20 maybe?
Apr 24 23:08:01 <myke> why not store it on disk and let the os handle caching for frequent requests?
Apr 24 23:08:09 <TacticalJoke> You could disk-cache it as soon as you get it and memory-cache it as soon as you load it (from either the network or the disk).
Apr 24 23:08:47 <lasserix_> myke let the os handle caching for frequent requests? not sure what that means
Apr 24 23:08:56 <icedp> you can cache *with* Picasso though
Apr 24 23:09:15 <icedp>         Downloader downloader   = new OkHttpDownloader(context, MAX_CACHE_SIZE);
Apr 24 23:09:16 <icedp>         Picasso.Builder builder = new Picasso.Builder(context);
Apr 24 23:09:18 <icedp>         builder.downloader(downloader);
Apr 24 23:09:19 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: just came to same conclusion :P
Apr 24 23:09:42 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  Do you think you could get away with no memory cache, though?
Apr 24 23:09:46 <myke> ^^
Apr 24 23:09:51 <TacticalJoke> I guess it depends on how often you'll need to load stuff.
Apr 24 23:09:52 <myke> i think linux will do a better job tbh
Apr 24 23:10:06 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: no i have a listview and viewpager, both need the data so mem cache makes sense
Apr 24 23:10:46 <myke> or at least write some simple tests to see if it makes a difference worth coding for
Apr 24 23:11:15 <lasserix_> myke i still don't understand what you mean, os handle it?
Apr 24 23:11:45 <myke> lasserix_: linux does a lot of caching on its own...if you read a small file twice in a row you'll get it out of linux's own cache the second time
Apr 24 23:11:53 <lasserix_> ah
Apr 24 23:12:02 <t0astt> So what is the "proper" way to style/theme a toolbar that is set as a supportActionBar?
Apr 24 23:12:08 <lasserix_> myke i still have to sync the access tho
Apr 24 23:12:27 <TacticalJoke> t0astt:  How do you mean?
Apr 24 23:12:32 <myke> lasserix_: not sure i understand, if you only use disk, sync it in the code that reads/writes from disk
Apr 24 23:14:22 <t0astt> TacticalJoke: In my last app (which was a learning experience... first app) I ran into a problem where I couldn't add a shadow below the toolbar on API < 21 and I couldn't get it to work with this: http://cyrilmottier.com/2013/05/24/pushing-the-actionbar-to-the-next-level/
Apr 24 23:15:05 <t0astt> I have my styles.xml file with AppTheme having a parent of Theme.AppCompat.Light.NoActionBar.
Apr 24 23:15:22 <t0astt> Like if I want to change the color of the toolbar text, is there a proper way to do it?
Apr 24 23:15:24 <myke> lasserix_: considered http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/concurrent/locks/package-summary.html ?
Apr 24 23:15:34 <myke> from the little i've learned it seems like people use synchronized way too much
Apr 24 23:19:37 <myke> lasserix_: haven't checked on android but on desktop linux, if you're doing a lot of file i/o, you can see linux using up unused free memory for buffers...you could conceivably have hundreds of megs or even gigs of file data already in ram...just seems you may end up getting in the way of that trying to roll your own
Apr 24 23:19:42 <TacticalJoke> I think this works, but I'm hazy on the details: http://stackoverflow.com/a/26561223
Apr 24 23:20:38 <TacticalJoke> Also the new AppCompat might make this easier (not sure).
Apr 24 23:36:57 <lasserix_> myke ill just make a cache layer and do simple caching by intercepting the network instance
Apr 24 23:37:17 <lasserix_> then later if disk isnt sufficient ill add memory
Apr 24 23:41:29 <TacticalJoke> Note that OkHttp supports disk-caching.
Apr 24 23:43:29 <mendozao> i'm trying to style a fragment tab host: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/367c9ead8e46c5a6cd93 , and through a google search I still can't find something that feels like a best practice. Any ideas?
Apr 24 23:48:10 <myke> looks like the core httpconnection class itself supports caching: http://developer.android.com/training/efficient-downloads/redundant_redundant.html
Apr 24 23:51:54 <myke> gotta be honest, caching is one of those things like sorting or associative data structures, if i find myself making my own i'm probably messing up
Apr 24 23:52:41 <lasserix_> TacticalJoke: it requires proper headers
Apr 25 00:03:28 <mendozao> is there a way to put group your classes by type into directories in android studio and still have the project compile? Should I be creating packages?
Apr 25 00:03:41 <masterjef> packages
Apr 25 00:04:13 <mendozao> masterjef: is that how most people break down their projects? so an Activities package, a Fragments package, etc
Apr 25 00:05:02 <masterjef> mendozao, that's how i do it.
Apr 25 00:05:37 <mendozao> masterjef: so if I create a package for say Activities, in my layouts folder should I have another directory for Activities as well?
Apr 25 00:05:48 <pfnQ> no
Apr 25 00:06:00 <tricknology> no way
Apr 25 00:06:09 <tricknology> instead name it
Apr 25 00:06:13 <tricknology> activity_something
Apr 25 00:06:16 <tricknology> activity_another.xml
Apr 25 00:06:22 <masterjef> ^
Apr 25 00:06:24 <tricknology> saves time in the long run
Apr 25 00:06:28 <tricknology> fragment_this
Apr 25 00:06:33 <mendozao> got it
Apr 25 00:06:50 <tricknology> I am still renaming stuff from the last guy.. it’s been 9 months
Apr 25 00:07:26 <mendozao> do you guys know how to go about styling a fragment tabhost?
Apr 25 00:07:29 <tricknology> the packages thing is really up to you though.  I do that because there are a metric ton of classes
Apr 25 00:07:39 <tricknology> negative :/ no exp with that one yet
Apr 25 00:07:41 <mendozao> I'm following this tutorial - not sure if it is best practice: https://maxalley.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/android-styling-a-tab-layout-with-fragmenttabhost-and-fragments/
Apr 25 00:08:08 <tricknology> Seems legit
Apr 25 00:08:21 <mendozao> trying it out right now, fingers crossed
Apr 25 00:08:40 <t0astt> Someone here was telling me about UltimateRecyclerView a few days ago... no idea who it was. Are you on here?
Apr 25 00:08:40 <tricknology> don’t skip those styles
Apr 25 00:08:46 <tricknology> or it wont light up liek its suposed to
Apr 25 00:09:00 <tricknology> goodnight everyone
Apr 25 00:09:06 <tricknology> have a goooood weekend
Apr 25 00:09:12 <mendozao> tricknology: peace
Apr 25 00:09:14 <masterjef> yeah, that looks pretty good. you might learn about some different drawable resources too if you ahven't done that before
Apr 25 00:09:34 <mendozao> masterjef: are you talking about the link I posted?
Apr 25 00:10:18 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  Ah.
Apr 25 00:10:24 <masterjef> yeah
Apr 25 00:10:31 <TacticalJoke> lasserix_:  Are you using DiskLruCache?  Just curious.
Apr 25 00:10:34 <groxx> t0astt: maybe AdvancedRecyclerView?
Apr 25 00:10:49 <groxx> t0astt: https://android-arsenal.com/details/1/1432 is still in my tabs anyway
Apr 25 00:10:49 <lasserix_> uhh not atm
Apr 25 00:11:14 <lasserix_> at the moment i have nothing but simple writing and read from disk as an auxillary process of generting the model for the view pager pages
Apr 25 00:11:38 <TacticalJoke> Okay.  Simplicity is good.
Apr 25 00:13:08 <lasserix_> thats what i had now i am changing it
Apr 25 00:15:13 <TacticalJoke> In those "What's the best web game?" threads, why the heck don't people link?
Apr 25 00:17:22 <TacticalJoke> Are we expected to google like 30 things.  Craziness.
Apr 25 00:19:06 <TacticalJoke> Maybe a better response is "Why do people upvote the non-linked comments?".
Apr 25 01:25:24 <bobo> hi...does anyone here use Mono or Qt for dev? I'd like to hear your thoughts on either.
Apr 25 01:31:34 <groxx> feels like Mono is probably doomed as a project because .NET is open sourcing everything?
Apr 25 01:32:25 <m3chanical> I can't wait to be able to use .NET on my Mac...
Apr 25 01:34:40 <bobo> groxx: Mono is still the only way to have .NET code running on mobile. Also desktop GUIs.
Apr 25 01:36:53 <groxx> yeah.  and open-sourcing all the .NET stuff at least means mono projects (or, the source) stands a much better chance of surviving.
Apr 25 01:38:28 <pfnQ> m3chanical, mono works on mac
Apr 25 01:39:51 <m3chanical> I know. I have the Xamarin tools, etc. I was mostly referring to being able to develop ASP.NET on a mac and possible have visual studio.
Apr 25 01:39:56 <m3chanical> I realize I should have specified that
Apr 25 01:40:11 <m3chanical> Mind is totally elsewhere
Apr 25 01:42:37 <m3chanical> oh neat, a recent asp.net blog post indicates that MS is working with Mono for a runtime to develop .NET apps on Mac/Linux.
Apr 25 01:47:06 <g00s> thats slick on MS' part; provide better tools for android than google - and oh, those tools help you with other platforms too
Apr 25 01:51:02 <bobo> g00s: I think that's the only way they can stop the erosion of "MS dev" mindshare
Apr 25 01:51:30 <drose379> Hey guys, im having an issue with NetworkOnMainThreadException
Apr 25 01:51:32 <bobo> Every day their ecosystem loses ground to the competitors.
Apr 25 01:52:29 <marchelzo> Can someone point me to a good "Hello World" tutorial for android?
Apr 25 01:52:35 <bobo> I'm thinking they might buy Mono and make it free, so people can release Windows Phone/tablets apps too (if it's just a few days of work for writing a UI for existing, working code).
Apr 25 01:53:05 <groxx> marchelzo: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html
Apr 25 01:53:25 <marchelzo> groxx, thanks
Apr 25 01:53:27 <m3chanical> if i could develop in C# and with Visual Studio everywhere, I'd never leave
Apr 25 01:53:40 <drose379> groxx why would  OkHttp run into a NetworkOnMainThreadException
Apr 25 01:53:58 <groxx> drose379: dunno.  are you calling it synchronously?
Apr 25 01:54:08 <drose379> Yeah, just right in the class
Apr 25 01:54:55 <g00s> bobo hm - i think they are pretty much at 0 in their mobile ecosystem, whether they are losing ground in enterprise - i haven't seen anything indicating that
Apr 25 01:56:22 <groxx> drose379: I mean are you calling ".enqueue()" or ".execute()"?  .execute will run synchronously, so if you're calling it from the main thread, it's throwing an exception as it should
Apr 25 01:57:03 <drose379> Ah, I'm calling .execute()
Apr 25 01:57:12 <drose379> So how can I avoid the exception?
Apr 25 01:58:32 <groxx> drose379: call .enqueue, and give it a callback
Apr 25 01:58:42 <drose379> Got it, thanks
Apr 25 02:01:16 <eemgr> alright, can someone take a look at this snippet and tell me 1) if what I'm trying is horrible, and 2) why its crashing with a null ptr exception? http://pastebin.com/Vut2sj3f
Apr 25 02:02:00 <eemgr> i really just want a small delay before starting the next activity
Apr 25 02:03:31 <eemgr> the thing is tmp isn't null, so i'm not sure what the problem is
Apr 25 02:09:01 <groxx> eemgr: what's the stacktrace?
Apr 25 02:09:52 <eemgr> groxx: one second, i just pulled my intent code out of that delay to see if it is infact the problem
Apr 25 02:10:21 <eemgr> okay, still crashed
Apr 25 02:10:40 <eemgr> is that onItemClick called on the main thread?
Apr 25 02:11:53 <groxx> eemgr: it is, yeah. unless you're calling performClick on a different thread or something.
Apr 25 02:12:22 <eemgr> alright, should be main thread then. stack trace isn't really descriptive, i'll keep searching before posting that
Apr 25 02:12:48 <groxx> check for "caused by" lines
Apr 25 02:12:57 <eemgr> Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
Apr 25 02:13:00 <eemgr> yeah, thats it :p
Apr 25 02:13:27 <drose379> Anyone ever use OKHttp to send a POST request with a File?
Apr 25 02:13:34 <drose379> I cant seem to get it to work
Apr 25 02:16:24 <zacg> I added google play services to my app to use the location service, but my release apk is now 7mb larger, is that normal? any way to reduce it?
Apr 25 02:16:26 <groxx> drose379: there's a "posting a file" section of https://github.com/square/okhttp/wiki/Recipes
Apr 25 02:17:05 <drose379> I know, thats what I tried
Apr 25 02:17:05 <groxx> zacg: somewhat :|  if you're using google play services 6.5 or newer, there are smaller pieces that might work for you
Apr 25 02:17:08 <drose379> Not working groxx
Apr 25 02:17:32 <groxx> any error messages?
Apr 25 02:18:25 <drose379> groxx im getting an error message from my host
Apr 25 02:18:33 <groxx> zacg: e.g. you can use com.google.android.gms:play-services-location:7.0.0 instead of com.google.android.gms:play-services:7.0.0 and probably save quite a bit of space
Apr 25 02:18:36 <drose379> Its weird, doesnt happen with any of my other requests
Apr 25 02:19:45 <groxx> drose379: and the message is?
Apr 25 02:20:06 <zacg> ah thanks groxx
Apr 25 02:20:28 <groxx> zacg: http://developer.android.com/google/play-services/setup.html
Apr 25 02:20:38 <drose379> Saying that this page is blocked due to a secutrity problem and that I should contact my host grozz
Apr 25 02:20:51 <drose379> But the page has the same permissions as all of my other scripts
Apr 25 02:21:02 <groxx> are you doing GETs on the other ones?
Apr 25 02:21:13 <drose379> No
Apr 25 02:21:22 <drose379> Im just doing file_put_contents to test if the request is made
Apr 25 02:21:26 <drose379> and its not making the request
Apr 25 02:21:56 <groxx> hm.  though it's hard to say if that's an OkHttp problem, or a "can't handle uploaded files on webserver" problem
Apr 25 02:22:24 <drose379> Ill see what happens if I try to upload regular JSON to the script
Apr 25 02:22:29 <drose379> Ill see if I get the error message
Apr 25 02:22:35 <masterjef> grrr travis has been so flaky the last few days with android builds :(
Apr 25 02:28:04 <wheatthins> Does Android standardly use
Apr 25 02:28:05 <wheatthins>  Intent intent = new Intent(RecognizerIntent.ACTION_RECOGNIZE_SPEECH);
Apr 25 02:28:05 <wheatthins>         startActivityForResult(intent, SPEECH_REQUEST);
Apr 25 02:28:16 <wheatthins> for speech to texT?
Apr 25 02:28:19 <wheatthins> I'm coming from #googleglass which is dead as a rock
Apr 25 02:28:57 <wheatthins> If so, I'm having trouble taking the input speech as a string
Apr 25 02:35:40 <Afzal> kotlin throws exceptions right?
Apr 25 02:36:39 * groxx votes "no"
Apr 25 02:37:02 <Afzal> I'm not sure if I should use try catch in kotlin :/
Apr 25 02:37:06 <Afzal> even though it's there
Apr 25 02:38:09 <groxx> I assume you're still required to do so, for caught exceptions.
Apr 25 02:38:27 <myke> Afzal: what would you do instead?
Apr 25 02:38:34 <Afzal> myke I dunno lol
Apr 25 02:38:45 <Afzal> sounds stupid but I just wanted to ask
Apr 25 02:38:45 <ronkrt> Are there any drag and drop ui designers that run on android?
Apr 25 02:38:55 <Afzal> ronkrt no you should make one :D
Apr 25 02:40:15 <groxx> I know I've seen a couple... all of which seemed pretty meh (or worse)
Apr 25 02:40:20 <groxx> can't remember what they were called though :|
Apr 25 02:42:04 <Afzal> ronkrt make sure it shows custom themes!! :P
Apr 25 02:43:07 <myke> C;
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