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May 05 03:01:26 <surf2b1> Ferdroid: paste the xml
May 05 03:02:17 <Ferdroid> it's a default xml layout
May 05 03:02:25 <Ferdroid> with a relativelayout and a textview
May 05 03:02:31 <Ferdroid> nothing more
May 05 03:03:10 <Ferdroid>  idk if is a bug of android studio
May 05 03:03:53 <Ferdroid> it doesnt render the design view
May 05 03:06:26 <Ferdroid> it's  using the api 22 to rendering
May 05 03:09:13 <surf2b1> Ferdroid: most likely a dependency issue. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29887722 https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=171417
May 05 03:13:54 <g00s> anyone know why this would crash the inflater <item android:drawable="?attr/colorControlActivated"
May 05 03:15:51 <JesusFreke> I love how my client renders the android:Drawable with a big :D icon in the middle
May 05 03:19:18 <AndreasL> I want to have a 'toggleable' action menu item in my toolbar. What's the best way to do this? A single menu item but changing icon and title, or should I have two menu items and alternating visibility? Or is there a better alternative?
May 05 03:19:39 <AndreasL> I mean, in the sense that when I press it, it changes appearance
May 05 03:20:28 <devuser> hi :)
May 05 03:23:44 <devuser> I have to develop a little app that showes  post. every post has image, video and a little text. the request is that videos are behavior similar facebook app. when user stop scroll and video is visible it start automatically without audio
May 05 03:24:05 <devuser> how can i know when video is inside screen device
May 05 04:10:14 <g00s> phablets http://flurrymobile.tumblr.com/post/117769261810/the-phablet-revolution
May 05 04:14:36 <g00s> "The UK government is looking to give prospective buyers of electric two-wheelers a helping hand in the form of a subsidy that would cut the purchase price of such vehicles"
May 05 04:14:45 <g00s> JesusFreke i think they are discriminating against one-wheelers !
May 05 04:17:39 <NetworkingPro> JesusFreke you around amigo?
May 05 04:24:14 <g00s> oh man, so you can't use ?attr/ in <selector/> wtf
May 05 04:25:28 <JesusFreke> NetworkingPro: eh?
May 05 04:25:44 <JesusFreke> g00s: no fair. I want a subsidized solowheel
May 05 04:28:19 <g00s> JesusFreke maybe if you bought two unicycles at the same time they would give subsidy :)
May 05 04:28:28 <JesusFreke> haha
May 05 04:33:02 <Leeds> also, stability
May 05 04:39:05 <g00s> Leeds yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxcLH-OdMKQ
May 05 04:39:35 <g00s> ok, so you can't use theme attributes references in selectors, drawables, whatever until 5.0
May 05 04:41:25 <pigiman> Hey guys, coming back after a lot of digging regarding the Android camera orientation. So I am using this code: https://github.com/pocmo/Instant-Mustache/ while forcing displayOrientation to be 90 as I want the camera to always work in a portrait mode. It seems like that on real devices this works fine but on the emulator it looks like this: landscape: http://take.ms/lExH2  portrait: http://take.ms/QjXQ6. What I want to a
May 05 04:46:28 <hTmlDP> Hello
May 05 04:47:40 <hTmlDP> I have a problem, my sticky IntentService is being recreated everytime i swipe it in the tasklist/last apps list.
May 05 04:48:23 <hTmlDP> How can i make it still work after that without restarting it?
May 05 04:49:04 <Ferdroid> surf2b1: thanks to you I already fixed my problem
May 05 04:49:35 <surf2b1> Ferdroid: glad to head :)
May 05 04:49:38 <hTmlDP> It is possible since there are many IRC apps that don't have to close their connections 'on swipe'
May 05 04:50:05 <hTmlDP> can somebody help? :)
May 05 04:51:38 <g00s> hTmlDP if you swipe away an IRC app, i would expect 'killed'
May 05 04:52:04 <hTmlDP> g00s: yeah
May 05 04:52:20 <hTmlDP> g00s: you're right =p
May 05 04:55:03 <hTmlDP> g00s: but the IRC connection never closes
May 05 04:55:33 <g00s> don't make it sticky :)
May 05 04:57:01 <hTmlDP> g00s: but it'll stop then
May 05 04:57:45 <hTmlDP> g00s: how can i make it work independently?
May 05 04:57:53 <g00s> ugh
May 05 04:58:25 <g00s> you can make it foreground, non-sticky
May 05 04:58:33 <g00s> if it gets killed, thats the end !
May 05 04:58:53 <hTmlDP> g00s: oh ok
May 05 04:59:19 <g00s> i dont see why sticky would make sense here ... you have no idea when (if) android would restart it
May 05 05:01:06 <g00s> hTmlDP so foreground, cpu wakelock maybe
May 05 05:03:22 <canvs2321> hTmlDP: are you using an IntentService for long lasting action?
May 05 05:03:30 <hTmlDP> yes
May 05 05:03:36 <canvs2321> That is incorrect
May 05 05:03:48 <hTmlDP> what should i use then?
May 05 05:03:54 <canvs2321> A service service
May 05 05:04:01 <canvs2321> to start with
May 05 05:04:19 <canvs2321> IntentService is for shooting off actions similiar to AsyncTask
May 05 05:23:51 <MJ94> Hi all, again. I'm still running into some issues debugging my android app. My issues come on line 29/30. I believe the issue is the fact that I'm not giving createFromResource a second argument; however, I'm not sure what to give it. Can anyone please point me in the right direction? Despite research, I am still a bit stumped. Thank you! Note that this is just one file, ResultsActivity.java. http://pastebin.com/bvYUVV7k
May 05 05:26:53 <canvs2321> You need a new ArrayAdapter(....);
May 05 05:28:55 <canvs2321> line #30 you are referencing adapter variable while you are creating adapter line #29. are you following a tutorial?
May 05 05:29:31 <canvs2321> or is line #29 incomplete, and just left open?
May 05 05:29:41 <MJ94> canvs2321: This is code I wrote a couple months ago, but I believe I followed a tutorial from my teacher
May 05 05:29:57 <canvs2321> if incomplete you need to give an array to use for your adapter in line #29 to finish it
May 05 05:40:24 <rathodvikas10> i have a trouble with camera activity
May 05 05:41:39 <rathodvikas10> the parent activity which call android native camera activity gets destroyed twice
May 05 05:44:01 <rathodvikas10> the lifeCycle http://pastebin.com/rAUN3Dbw
May 05 05:46:00 <canvs2321> Do you use the same Tag for all debug logging? or is it unique to activities?
May 05 05:49:12 <rathodvikas10> yes see the above text have the life cycle captured in debug log
May 05 05:51:23 <canvs2321> yes you use the same tag no matter where you are logging therefore no unique identifier, or it is unique and that tag is only used in one place?
May 05 05:56:45 <rathodvikas10> yes the tag is unique and debug in only one activity, so i am sure it is coming from the same activity
May 05 05:58:54 <rathodvikas10> ok thanks for your time i fount the answer :=> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16014930/android-activity-getting-destroyed-after-calling-camera-intent
May 05 06:00:35 <canvs2321> rathodvikas10, that all just leads to your activity isn't being destroyed twice without a purpose, another activity/app is coming foreground making your app go through some lifecycle changes
May 05 06:07:36 <rathodvikas10> yup but it works normal for the other cells but it had the problem for samsung devices, the orientation was changes by the samsung device camera activity
May 05 06:20:26 <Xeeshu> What is the difference between the "decode()" and "parseInt()" from the Integer class? I was trying to convert text from an EditText to an int and found the "decode" method but later discovered the "parseInt" method.
May 05 06:21:57 <Xeeshu> One of them return an "int" and the other returns an "Integer". I am new to Java/Android dev. so I don't understand the difference. Can somebody point me in the right direction?
May 05 06:24:27 <superlinux-hp> I am looking for a simple camera app that writes the timestamp inside the picture rather than writing it on the picture file name. so name me please such app. thanks
May 05 06:25:38 <g00s> superlinux-hp why ask that in development channel ?
May 05 06:26:25 <Leeds> Xeeshu: I'm not an expert... but one of the oddities of Java is that a few types are in-built, primate, outside the object hierarchy - like int, for example. Integer is an object, int isn't
May 05 06:26:53 <superlinux-hp> g00s, I am just enlarging circle of my search. that's all
May 05 06:28:33 <JesusFreke> Xeeshu: read the javadocs for both methods :)
May 05 06:28:40 <Xeeshu> Hmm, makes sense. As the famous quote goes "Everything is object in Java" but using any of the two won't make much of a difference right, Leeds?
May 05 06:29:11 <Xeeshu> JesusFreke: I did, there's nothing much there.
May 05 06:29:16 <Leeds> everything is an object, except those things that aren't :P
May 05 06:29:26 <JesusFreke> Xeeshu: sure there is
May 05 06:29:54 <JesusFreke> they both describe in detail the formats they accept
May 05 06:30:08 <JesusFreke> and those formats are different
May 05 06:30:25 <JesusFreke> although, I do find it a bit strange that decode returns an Integer, instead of an int.
May 05 06:30:47 <Xeeshu> True, but they both return an int/Integer. I am not sure which one I should be using. That's the confusion, JesusFreke
May 05 06:31:06 <JesusFreke> Xeeshu: which one matches the type of integer that you will be decoding?
May 05 06:31:16 <JesusFreke> Do you need to be able to parse something like "0x12345678"?
May 05 06:31:29 <JesusFreke> or something like 1234ABCD?
May 05 06:31:36 <JesusFreke> or just a decimal integer?
May 05 06:31:37 <JesusFreke> etc. etc.
May 05 06:32:26 <JesusFreke> I would tend to prefer parseInt, because it returns an int, instead of an Integer
May 05 06:32:44 <Xeeshu> Nah, I am asking the user to enter a time, which would be a number. And then I am converting it to an int so I can pass it to another method.
May 05 06:33:09 <Xeeshu> Or is there any other way I can read an int directly from the EditText field without parsing/decoding?
May 05 06:33:16 <Leeds> time is a number?
May 05 06:33:43 <Xeeshu> I'd go with parseInt too but decode came first in the list... So I used that
May 05 06:34:04 <Xeeshu> Time isn't a number? O.o
May 05 06:34:08 <g00s> hm, wouldn't you use a TimePicker ot something ?
May 05 06:34:16 <Xeeshu> Like the start time and end time.
May 05 06:35:06 <Xeeshu> Err, I haven't looked into that yet, g00s
May 05 06:35:23 <g00s> you aren't asking the user to type this in i hope :D
May 05 06:35:43 <Xeeshu> I am fairly new to Android, first week to be precise. So..
May 05 06:36:56 <Xeeshu> Haha I am, for now. But I was playing with AlarmManager class.
May 05 06:37:15 <iprime> anyone knows why the android plugin in android studio would always use a linearlayoutmanager for custom views with custom managers?
May 05 06:37:44 <iprime> and how to work around that?
May 05 06:56:47 <_genuser_> guys, design question: would you rather implement your own user registration, management? Or use existing user logins such as: facebook, google account, openid, twitter, instragram, etc.
May 05 06:57:16 <JesusFreke> the latter
May 05 06:57:28 <_genuser_> context: would like to retain as much user control as possible. I guess logging in with one of the existing ones, you justget a userid, that you can then use to create access control lists.
May 05 06:57:29 <JesusFreke> much more convenient as a user as well
May 05 06:58:08 <_genuser_> are there any security repurcussions? other than the user getting hacked one of those platforms or having a weaker password that you'd like.
May 05 06:58:22 <_genuser_> s/that/than/
May 05 06:58:38 <Leeds> does depend a bit on the context though
May 05 06:59:07 <g00s> yeah, if i neededfacebook account to log into my oreilly books, i'd be pissed
May 05 06:59:16 <_genuser_> context: would like to retain as much user control as possible. would like to keep user as secure as possible. have stricter login policies vs. the existing ones.
May 05 06:59:45 <_genuser_> g00s: agreed. I have been playing fifa2015 ultimate team, and they did away with their own login and now require facebook login.
May 05 07:00:11 <_genuser_> I couldn't play for weeks until I figured out they quietly changed the ACLs and their own accounts can't access the market anymore./
May 05 07:00:37 <_genuser_> for example, would require TFA.
May 05 07:01:03 <_genuser_> but I suppose, I could implement the second layer myself even if I re-use existing logins.
May 05 07:01:28 <g00s> but otoh you have to be pretty knowledgeable to implement accounts, loggin in, etc
May 05 07:02:19 <_genuser_> I'd outsource that, instead of scratching my head. I think getting sr. web dev and paying him/her enough should be reasonable investment.
May 05 07:03:50 <_genuser_> I see g00s sleep now. thepoosh work.
May 05 07:04:27 <Odaym> thepoosh notifications
May 05 07:04:28 * g00s hands off to thepoosh 
May 05 07:05:41 <_genuser_> g00s: so you'd vote for apps own user registration as long as it was done properly?
May 05 07:06:02 <g00s> i'd give a choice : own + Fn / google / twitter
May 05 07:06:18 <_genuser_> waht thinketh you about implementing TFA with all of that.
May 05 07:06:27 <_genuser_> one of the requirements is TFA is mandatory.
May 05 07:06:42 <g00s> oh bot, not my area
May 05 07:06:49 <g00s> lol, *boy
May 05 07:07:17 <_genuser_> yeah, not mine either. I think I am just spit balling before making my recommendations and then looking into hiring devs to do it.
May 05 07:07:28 <_genuser_> would need to hire devs for the web portal anyway, user registration or not.
May 05 07:07:41 <_genuser_> google time!
May 05 07:09:02 <thepoosh> g00s: !
May 05 07:10:42 <g00s> thepoosh !
May 05 07:11:27 <g00s> thepoosh did you guys use recyclerview anywhere ?
May 05 07:11:55 <g00s> with action modes ?
May 05 07:15:37 <Odaym> I've got something baffling
May 05 07:15:51 <Odaym> do you know how to zoom in on a Google map without losing center?
May 05 07:16:23 <Odaym> meaning whether I press on the top left of the map or whether I press on bottom right, the zoom is always into the center and not where my finger pressed
May 05 07:16:27 <Odaym> do you know how to do that?\
May 05 07:17:01 <Odaym> seems easy; isn't
May 05 07:17:11 <g00s> isn't there double tab for zoom ?
May 05 07:17:15 <g00s> *tap
May 05 07:17:30 <_genuser_> this might help. I have no direct experience.
May 05 07:17:31 <Odaym> yes, but that goes to zoom on wherever you double-tapped
May 05 07:17:32 <_genuser_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5054515/zoom-in-to-marker-google-maps
May 05 07:18:07 <_genuser_> the double tab, I'd expect to zoom in on double tap area. that's pretty much how most of the stuff works.
May 05 07:18:29 <Odaym> true, but Uber have it the way I'm talking about and I'm trying to figure out how on earth...
May 05 07:18:35 <Odaym> try their app and see, it's really strange
May 05 07:18:36 <thepoosh> g00s: nah
May 05 07:18:50 <Odaym> its not normal behavior, but regardless, how do you do that
May 05 07:20:35 <_genuser_> I see. I don't user uber. But I guess I'd gotten used to tapping on an area and zooming in on that.
May 05 07:20:52 <_genuser_> on my surface pro, in android in gallery view, etc. etc. So as a user I'd vote for that behavior.
May 05 07:21:04 <_genuser_> otherwise, I'd have to double tap, and then pan to get where I want it to be.
May 05 07:21:26 <_genuser_> otherwise, in the SO link, it shows something like map.panTo(), that should help.
May 05 07:21:40 <Odaym> there's nothing TO panTot
May 05 07:21:42 <Odaym> -t
May 05 07:21:46 <g00s> _genuser_ how do you like your surface pro ?
May 05 07:21:52 <Odaym> surface bro
May 05 07:22:30 <_genuser_> Odaym: sure there is. since it's moving away from your center point, you have to pan back to there.
May 05 07:23:03 <_genuser_> g00s: I use it mainly for drawing and I think I overpaid for the i7 version. $1600. I've hread that the i5 version for $900 handles drawing just as well.
May 05 07:23:25 <_genuser_> g00s: I thought the i7 would have more throughput and ability to handle graphics and video stuff.
May 05 07:23:40 <g00s> hmm i'll need a new machiine soon, probab;y can't get another mac (too expensive)
May 05 07:23:50 <_genuser_> g00s: if I use as a laptop/desktop with dual monitor, then I'd still go for i7.
May 05 07:24:31 <_genuser_> if you just want, streaming, web surfing, drawing (I use manga studio), you'd be fine with i5. Or the new surface 3 (which is just i5, I think) is like 500 or something.
May 05 07:25:05 <_genuser_> the pro has a stand that an adjust to lot of different levels. If you dock it and work on it primarily, I'd definitely go for it.
May 05 07:25:23 <_genuser_> otherwise, beware of heating in surface pro3. It will heat and then throttle to 700MHz.
May 05 07:25:48 <_genuser_> can't use chrome with youtube. heats up like crazy, spins fan, eats battery like candy.
May 05 07:25:54 <_genuser_> using IE, just fine.
May 05 07:26:04 <Ashiren> buying stuff to use IE...
May 05 07:26:44 <g00s> now Spartan or Edge
May 05 07:26:45 <_genuser_> to be fair, I bought to drawing on screen with manga studio and that only. so it has paid off well. otherwise, I'd be kinda ticket being stuck with one browser
May 05 07:27:45 <asfdd> probably just some param to switch chrome from html player to flash player or vice versa
May 05 07:28:53 <_genuser_> probably. I google found people with chrome issues. switched to IE for downloading reference images. otherwise, I only use it for drawing and netflix.
May 05 07:29:00 <g00s> poor darth vader http://digg.com/video/watch-a-lego-star-destroyer-explode-at-1-000-fps
May 05 07:37:39 <_genuser_> so I suppose: own login and facebook login. then use the userid, to create ACLs within the app.
May 05 07:43:39 <oiZo> Does anyone have a tool/script for converting images (e.g. svg) into all needed resources (mdpi, hdpi e.t.c.?)? I've made a small script to handle it my self, but it's not exactly perfect...
May 05 07:44:18 <g00s> oiZo there is something valled Victor
May 05 07:45:55 <oiZo> g00s: looks nice, thanks :-)
May 05 07:59:03 <NCS_One> oiZo: can you give me the link please
May 05 08:14:35 <jutsi> Hi does anyone here have experience creating custom routes using google maps API? I would like to create an off-road hiking route, but im unsure of how much work it would be and what would be involved
May 05 08:15:12 <tx> afaik you can just draw the route using an arraylist of LongLat
May 05 08:15:30 <jutsi> a simple task, in other words?
May 05 08:15:33 <tx> er
May 05 08:15:34 <tx> latlng*
May 05 08:15:37 <tx> Not too hard, no.
May 05 08:15:42 <jutsi> ok cool
May 05 08:16:05 <jutsi> do you by chance know if google maps api is free to use or do  i need to dish out a couple of bucks?
May 05 08:16:19 <tx> Has anyone here got experience with making gridviews (with a lot of items, that go off the screen) use pages instead of just allowing the user to free scroll.
May 05 08:16:33 <tx> It's free just draw on, yes.
May 05 08:16:48 <tx> I recently did an app that recorded your location, stored it in a database
May 05 08:16:53 <tx> and then could display that route on a map
May 05 08:18:59 <jutsi> ok cool
May 05 08:20:21 <danijoo> tx you mean you dont want the normal scrolling behaviour but pages instead?
May 05 08:31:25 <jutsi> tx if you want multiple pages you could use a viewpager combined with gridviews?
May 05 08:31:48 <danijoo> or change the gridviews default scroll behaviour
May 05 08:35:14 <tx> jutsi:  gridviews?
May 05 08:35:19 <tx> as in
May 05 08:35:21 <tx> multiple?
May 05 08:35:36 <danijoo> tx do you want horizontal or vertical paging?
May 05 08:35:39 <jutsi> tx yes, you could spread them across the fragments of the viewpager
May 05 08:35:43 <tx> vertical paging
May 05 08:35:50 <tx> if there are so many items that it constitutes scrolling
May 05 08:36:01 <tx> I don't want free scrolling
May 05 08:36:06 <jutsi> oh then maybe not viewpager
May 05 08:36:08 <tx> I want the items to be viewed as pages instead
May 05 08:36:13 <danijoo> tx, then just catch the swipe event of the user
May 05 08:36:24 <danijoo> and scroll by x items manually instead of letting the user do it
May 05 08:37:00 <tx> aw, but will that let me have the animation that the items are being quickly moved through?
May 05 08:37:20 <danijoo> that would be the default animation yeah
May 05 08:37:26 <danijoo> you might be able to change it
May 05 08:37:50 <tx> interesting
May 05 08:37:57 <tx> would I be able to implement some sort of pagination indicator
May 05 08:38:01 <tx> in the form of those circles
May 05 08:38:24 <danijoo> sure
May 05 08:39:13 <danijoo> you can use any indicator and change it depending on how far the grid is scrolled
May 05 08:39:18 <vedu> hello. I am using Theme.AppCompact.Light but no action bar is being shown in my activities. I am using it as <style name="AppTheme" parent="@style/Theme.AppCompat.Light">
May 05 08:40:10 <danijoo> vedu, show your style.xml
May 05 08:42:07 <tx> danijoo:  Cheers. I thought there may have already been an implementation of this. It's not like it's too uncommon.
May 05 08:42:20 <danijoo> tx, im pretty sure there is
May 05 08:46:32 <vedu> danijoo: https://gist.github.com/vedant1811/a51ae0a170a1ee9d4795
May 05 08:47:44 <danijoo> if you dont remove the actionbar manually, there shold be one with this style..
May 05 08:48:54 <Estel> vedu: presumably you're extending from AppCompatActivity?
May 05 08:48:59 <vedu> danijoo: I havent done anything programatically.
May 05 08:49:04 <vedu> Estel: err. No
May 05 08:50:10 <danijoo> vedu, what version of support library are you using?
May 05 08:50:13 <danijoo> v22?
May 05 08:50:19 <danijoo> r22*
May 05 08:53:32 <Estel> AppCompatActivity is in 22.1 iirc
May 05 08:59:34 <danijoo> use AppCompatActivity then
May 05 09:00:27 <vedu> danijoo: I am using 22.1
May 05 09:00:42 <danijoo> danijoo> use AppCompatActivity then
May 05 09:07:47 <ndrei> I have a quick question - I'm having issues with a published app which won't install because of package a package signing problem on **some** devices. There's a whole lot of pb/solution posts out there, most not helpful because they don't explain how to diagnose / find the cause. So my question is - how do I debug package signing issues? Is there a go-to guide?
May 05 09:23:37 <danijoo> ndrei, in google play store?
May 05 09:24:25 <Estel> I have a recyclerview -> CardView -> ImageView. Is there a reason that android:foreground="?attr/selectableItemBackground" on the CardView doesn't seem to do anything?
May 05 09:24:52 <vedu> danijoo: There is progress by using AppCompatActivity but I am getting an error: 'You need to use a Theme.AppCompat theme (or descendant) with this activity'
May 05 09:25:15 <danijoo> vedu, it tells you what to do.
May 05 09:25:42 <danijoo> Estel, maybe the imageview is catching the click event
May 05 09:25:55 <Estel> danijoo: oh, that's a good should
May 05 09:25:57 <Estel> *shout
May 05 09:26:18 <Odaym> I got rid of tabs in AS
May 05 09:26:20 <vedu> danijoo: thanks. actually I had set it in <application> but again in <activity> :)
May 05 09:27:55 <danijoo> Odaym, what tabs? I cant see tabs :o
May 05 09:27:58 <ndrei> danijoo: yes
May 05 09:28:07 <Odaym> at the top
May 05 09:28:41 <danijoo> ndrei, theres not much you can do wrong with signing for Google play. its either signed and works or not signed and works not (or debug signed which will also not work)
May 05 09:28:52 <danijoo> but google will not let you publish if its not proper signed.
May 05 09:29:30 <ndrei> danijoo: it works on some devices and doesn't on others - but I think the signing options where wrong, I'm trying with new ones
May 05 09:30:31 <danijoo> ndrei, you cant change signing once published
May 05 09:30:42 <danijoo> you have to use the same key over and over again
May 05 09:42:46 <gordon_> hello, anyone got problem when view.getTop() always return 0 ? I'm checking this in listview's scroll listener's onScroll method so it should be already showed / constructed
May 05 09:43:53 <livtyler> hello, I want to build an assistant, but based on chat, something like a chat assisted process execution wizard, is there anyone with experience on this?
May 05 09:43:58 <danijoo> gordon_, what do you expect to get?
May 05 09:44:42 <min2> How to get event and calendar id from Observer/Receiver for CalendarContract.EVENT
May 05 09:44:45 <devand> hi i have develop an app without UI. 1) get json from server 2) send sms... one, two.. 30.... 3) after send call again json...
May 05 09:44:46 <tx> Ooh, another problem I am having.
May 05 09:45:06 <tx> I use a WebView for oAuth authentication. I can't seem to be able to clear the webView's session cookies to log out
May 05 09:45:21 <devand> i use a Service with START_STICKY
May 05 09:45:29 <tx> clearCache() doesn't seem to work
May 05 09:45:38 <tx> I want to forget everything the webview ever stored.
May 05 09:45:59 <gordon_> danijoo: well, position from the top - I got share control in the header and want to implement something like 'floating' share control (on the top) when share control in the header is not visible.
May 05 09:46:01 <devand> i have doubt where implement json request and after send sms how repeat
May 05 09:46:53 <danijoo> gordon_, 0 = 0 pixel away from top
May 05 09:47:07 <gordon_> so I got two share controls - one in main relative layout and one in the header. and now I'm checking header's top and share control's top if they are the same or header's top is bigger I'm showing floting widget
May 05 09:47:39 <gordon_> danijoo: well that is tricky, I have no idea why sharecontrol in header always gives me 0
May 05 09:47:54 <danijoo> me neither :/
May 05 09:49:18 <gordon_> hmmm
May 05 09:49:31 <gordon_> strange enough it works on different activity
May 05 09:49:55 <joakimk_> Hi! I want to install a library (Apache Sanselan) in my Android Studio project. The website lets me download source code or binaries, but how do I import/include this into Android Studio?
May 05 09:51:09 <danijoo> joakimk_, have you tried googleing for it?
May 05 09:51:26 <joakimk_> danijoo: yes ;) It just says, download and Import Module
May 05 09:51:41 <joakimk_> but, I ran into all sorts of Gradle issues last time I tried
May 05 09:52:18 <danijoo> just compile it and include the jar if there is no maven repository
May 05 09:52:38 <joakimk_> thought I'd give it another shot, though. Shouldn't be difficult, right? So, I've downloaded a ZIP, which contains essentially src/ and some .classpath, .project and project.properties files
May 05 09:52:51 <joakimk_> do I simply do File > Import Module > this directory?
May 05 09:53:26 <joakimk_> ... or am I not downloading the correct files (should I perhaps download some binaries instead)?
May 05 09:53:54 <danijoo> <danijoo> just compile it and include the jar if there is no maven repository
May 05 09:54:12 <danijoo> theres no point in making a module out of it if you dont want to modify the source
May 05 09:54:22 <joakimk_> I defininately do not :)
May 05 09:54:52 <joakimk_> so... you're saying, create it as a new project, in Android Studio, and compile it... to a JAR file?
May 05 09:54:55 <gordon_> joakimk_: no maven deps ?
May 05 09:55:13 <danijoo> joakimk_, you can do that without AS
May 05 09:55:16 <danijoo> from command line
May 05 09:55:24 <danijoo> its not an android project
May 05 09:55:27 <gordon_> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.sanselan/sanselan
May 05 09:55:51 <joakimk_> gordon_: thanks :) but what does this tell me... :)
May 05 09:56:11 <gordon_> 'org.apache.sanselan:sanselan:0.97-incubator'
May 05 09:56:19 <gordon_> just put compile 'org.apache.sanselan:sanselan:0.97-incubator'
May 05 09:56:25 <gordon_> in android project
May 05 09:56:29 <gordon_> and it should work
May 05 09:57:02 <joakimk_> danijoo: I see. So, as in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29261934/install-apache-sanselan-android-studio
May 05 09:57:24 <joakimk_> gordon_: sorry, that was for you. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29261934/install-apache-sanselan-android-studio
May 05 09:57:40 <danijoo> joakimk_, so there actually is a maven project
May 05 09:57:46 <danijoo> just add that line and you are done
May 05 09:59:19 <joakimk_> danijoo: Gradle project sync in progress... ;-)
May 05 09:59:39 <joakimk_> so that's really all there is to it?
May 05 09:59:46 <danijoo> yup
May 05 09:59:49 <joakimk_> I can now begin to use it in my code?
May 05 10:00:03 <danijoo> thats the benefits of using gradle
May 05 10:00:27 <joakimk_> Maven, Gradle... can I bother you for a quick explanation?
May 05 10:00:27 <danijoo> if will automagically download the source for you and add it to your project
May 05 10:00:35 <joakimk_> fantastic!
May 05 10:01:17 <danijoo> joakimk_, they are just different tools. both are like "little helpers" to build your project and include dependencies
May 05 10:01:27 <danijoo> gradle is the most common one in android
May 05 10:01:39 <danijoo> maven is pretty common in plain java
May 05 10:03:00 <joakimk_> I'll look into this, thanks! Thing is, I'm trying to set and get some EXIF data/tags in JPEGs, and the Android "ExifInterface" seems to be rather buggy
May 05 10:03:21 <joakimk_> I understand this (Sanselan) is better :)
May 05 10:09:44 <drose379> Anyone ever use the wait / notify methods?
May 05 10:12:29 <drose379> Because I am calling a method from another method, and I dont want to continue execution of the parent method until the method it calls returns its value
May 05 10:12:38 <drose379> Whats the best way to do that?
May 05 10:14:16 <drose379> Looks like ASyncTask would be good for this
May 05 10:14:57 <joakimk_> gordon_: Gradle sync worked, and my project builds fine. But, trying to use the library in my code gives me some problems. I'm looking at this: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/imaging/trunk/src/test/java/org/apache/commons/imaging/examples/MetadataExample.java
May 05 10:15:21 <TacticalJoke> Cross-thread communication can get very complicated, drose379.  Why do you want to wait for some other thread?
May 05 10:16:19 <drose379> I am waiting for a method to pull and image from a server, can take a few seconds, if continue with regular execution after caling the method to get the bitmap, I could probably get a NullPointer because the bitmap wouldnt have been grabbed yet
May 05 10:16:21 <joakimk_> my .java file has a new import org.apache.sanselan.common.ImageMetadata; but I'm unsure how to import the other classes. Btw, why does "my" import say "org.apache.sanselan..." while the official example code says "org.apache.commons.imaging.common.ImageMetadata"
May 05 10:16:42 <drose379> So I need to wait for the Bitmap to be pulled, then continue execution TacticalJoke
May 05 10:16:44 <TacticalJoke> In which thread are you wanting to wait?  The main thread?
May 05 10:17:11 <drose379> Yeah, and it looks like ASyncTask is good for that
May 05 10:17:23 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, blocking the main thread will freeze your UI.
May 05 10:17:25 <gordon_> joakimk_: what problems...
May 05 10:17:29 <TacticalJoke> You need a callback when the task has been completed.
May 05 10:17:36 <Estel> drose379: it's usually easiest to add a callback to the image loading completion
May 05 10:17:39 <joakimk_> basically, I'm just trying to type "final ImageMetadata metadata = Imaging.getMetadata(file);". ImageMetadata is included fine, but what about "Imaging"?
May 05 10:17:58 <gordon_> is imaging not imported ?
May 05 10:18:01 <joakimk_> I tried adding "import org.apache.sanselan.common.Imaging;"
May 05 10:18:02 <joakimk_> no
May 05 10:18:05 <joakimk_> doesn't seem like it
May 05 10:18:06 <drose379> Doesnt AsyncTask come with a callback?
May 05 10:18:09 <Zharf> sometimes I miss C#'s async when doing java
May 05 10:18:12 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, AsyncTask does all that.
May 05 10:18:18 <drose379> onPostExecute
May 05 10:18:22 <joakimk_> only ImageMetadata
May 05 10:18:31 <drose379> Are you thinking I could do this without ASyncTask TacticalJoke?
May 05 10:18:46 <joakimk_> (and that was added "automatically" to my java file)
May 05 10:18:49 <TacticalJoke> AsyncTask uses a ThreadPoolExecutor under the hood to do all this, so it's not a requirement.  Though it is easy.
May 05 10:19:08 <TacticalJoke> Alternatively, you could use your own ThreadPoolExecutor and Handler.post, but that's more complicated.
May 05 10:19:23 <TacticalJoke> Are you using OkHttp for this download, dragorn?
May 05 10:19:24 <TacticalJoke> drose379*
May 05 10:19:29 <joakimk_> gordon_: "import org.apache.sanselan.common.Imaging;" ends up greyed out, with "Imaging" in red (Cannot resolve symbol "Imaging").
May 05 10:19:32 <drose379> Never messed with ThreadPoolExecutor, good idea?
May 05 10:19:35 <drose379> And yes TJ
May 05 10:19:53 <TacticalJoke> If you use Call.enqueue, OkHttp handles the background threads for you.
May 05 10:19:54 <Estel> drose379: if you're just waiting for an image to load in, most decent image loading libraries (Picasso, Glide, UIL) make it really easy to add a callback
May 05 10:20:03 <TacticalJoke> Then all you have to do is use Handler.post to get back to the main thread.
May 05 10:20:34 <drose379> Ill still get a NullPointer if I dont make the call on another thread
May 05 10:21:06 <joakimk_> gordon_: whereas, "import org.apache.commons.imaging.Imaging;" (as in the example code) fails on ".imaging." (cannot resolve symbol "imaging")
May 05 10:21:07 <drose379> Cause the method will continue but the Bitmap will not be there
May 05 10:21:08 <TacticalJoke> You just have to show a ProgressBar or something until the image has arrived.
May 05 10:21:16 <TacticalJoke> You can't set the Bitmap yet.
May 05 10:21:30 <drose379> Yeah, progressbar would be a good idea
May 05 10:22:19 <drose379> Thanks for the help guys
May 05 10:22:23 <TacticalJoke> Have you written the code to download the image yet?
May 05 10:22:27 <drose379> Not yet
May 05 10:22:37 <TacticalJoke> You might want to use Picasso or Glide.
May 05 10:22:47 <TacticalJoke> Because image handling is not that simple.
May 05 10:22:49 <drose379> Really? I have a pretty basic API for it
May 05 10:22:58 <drose379> I have the image saved on my server
May 05 10:23:03 <drose379> URL saved in MYSQL DB
May 05 10:23:08 <gordon_> danijoo: I know what was the problem with getTop
May 05 10:23:17 <gordon_> just stupid if ;/
May 05 10:23:23 <drose379> In the API (php) pull the image from URL, base64 encode, send it to android
May 05 10:23:28 <gordon_> and I was looking for 2 hours...
May 05 10:23:37 <drose379> Android goes from base64->byteArray->Bitmap
May 05 10:23:38 <drose379> Boom
May 05 10:24:01 <Estel> drose379: that's a lot more complicated than .load(url).into(imageView)
May 05 10:24:23 <gordon_> images saved in db
May 05 10:24:25 <gordon_> mmmm
May 05 10:24:26 <drose379> Thats true
May 05 10:24:28 <gordon_> sounds great
May 05 10:24:32 <drose379> Images saved on server
May 05 10:24:38 <drose379> URL saved in DB guy
May 05 10:24:57 <dauntless26> Good morning
May 05 10:25:05 <Estel> Also the libraries handle stuff like caching the image on device in both memory and on disk
May 05 10:25:10 <Estel> Without writing your own LRU cache
May 05 10:25:17 <dauntless26> Is there a way to add an image to a popup menu item?
May 05 10:27:50 <danijoo> drose379, you should really use a lib for that
May 05 10:27:55 <danijoo> why reinventing the wheel
May 05 10:28:01 <Estel> Because NIH?
May 05 10:28:21 <danijoo> whats NIH? ^^
May 05 10:28:26 <gordon_> what's Glide ?
May 05 10:28:31 <danijoo> whats whats
May 05 10:29:06 <gordon_> ok now I see
May 05 10:29:53 <gordon_> how is it better from i.e. picasso ?
May 05 10:29:55 <joakimk_> gordon_: When I type, eg, "final ImageMetadata foo;", the import org.apache.sanselan.common.ImageMetadata; is automatically added to the .java file. But, typing "final Imaging bar;" just leaves "Imaging" red and undefined... :(
May 05 10:30:12 <danijoo> gordon_, theres not much of a difference between glide and picasso
May 05 10:30:14 <joakimk_> sorry to repeat myself -- I just thought I'd compress my question to one line
May 05 10:30:30 <danijoo> one can load gifs, the other cant. but beside that they are nearly identical with different default settings
May 05 10:30:32 <gordon_> joakimk_: can you import that class ?
May 05 10:31:00 <gordon_> also, that library is in incubation, so the api might have changed
May 05 10:31:09 <Estel> danijoo: Not Invented Here syndrome
May 05 10:31:22 <danijoo> Estel, never heard that abbr
May 05 10:31:54 <Estel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
May 05 10:31:57 <joakimk_> gordon_: I tried manually adding an import, similar to the ImageMetadata, but "Imaging" is just unresolved.
May 05 10:32:11 <danijoo> Estel, TIL :)  thanks
May 05 10:32:43 <joakimk_> gordon_: meaning, they're working on it these days? Still, this is from "official" example usage code from the project website...
May 05 10:32:48 <joakimk_> but still?
May 05 10:33:41 <joakimk_> gordon_: alpha... since 2009?
May 05 10:34:05 <drose379> Never thought about using a LIB for it, its prob a better idea
May 05 10:34:17 <gordon_> joakimk_: so? maybe development is dropped
May 05 10:34:30 <joakimk_> yeah, I understand. It just doesn't look so good, maybe?
May 05 10:34:30 <gordon_> what do you want to do ?
May 05 10:34:39 <joakimk_> I want to read and write EXIF tags in JPEGs :)
May 05 10:34:41 <joakimk_> on my device
May 05 10:35:36 <gordon_> https://github.com/sephiroth74/Android-Exif-Extended
May 05 10:35:39 <joakimk_> gordon_: I'm trying to use ExifInterface, but it only works on *some* devices
May 05 10:35:52 <drose379> Thanks for the help guys
May 05 10:36:01 <joakimk_> huh! interesting!
May 05 10:40:06 <joakimk_> gordon_: so... to "remove" Sanselan, I just remove the single "compile" line from dependencies, in my build.gradle file?
May 05 10:40:51 <gordon_> yes
May 05 10:41:11 <gordon_> also, rebuild project
May 05 10:43:52 <joakimk_> gordon_: do you know anything about Android-Exif-Extended? Are you familiar with EXIF tags; read and write, etc, and how ExifInterface is... unstable?
May 05 10:45:17 <gordon_> of course - not
May 05 10:45:59 <gordon_> but from what I see in the docs of the library I gave you, it's using C library so it should just work.
May 05 10:46:05 <gordon_> whatever you want to do
May 05 10:47:07 <jutsi> Is there a good site where you can get the coordinates for google maps?
May 05 10:47:24 <tx> coordinates of what?
May 05 10:47:32 <jutsi> lattitude
May 05 10:47:36 <tx> yes but
May 05 10:47:39 <tx> of what? a point?
May 05 10:47:46 <jutsi> a city, for example
May 05 10:47:54 <joakimk_> great :) I'll try it out!
May 05 10:47:57 <jutsi> im following a tutorial and this guy has coords for hamburg and luxemburg
May 05 10:48:07 <tx> right click anywhere
May 05 10:48:12 <tx> go "What's here?"
May 05 10:48:16 <tx> coordinates will be listed top left.
May 05 10:48:47 <jutsi> where from?
May 05 10:48:56 <tx> on google maps (web)
May 05 10:49:38 <jutsi> oh right, silly me
May 05 10:52:00 <Odaym> you can use google maps to do that
May 05 10:52:10 <Odaym> right click > "What's here?"
May 05 10:52:53 <dblosevn>  Hey guys, is there an intent filter that can listen for hot keys pressed eg like search + [a-z0-9] as it seems that hot keys were removed from settings sometime ago?
May 05 10:54:29 <dblosevn> I want to upgrade my 2012 N7 carkit to something newer with lolipop but it seems I will loose my rearview camera opening when i put my truck in reverse being I cant find quick launch in android 5. So I thought I would write a little wrapper app to listen for a hotkey and launch / close the camera. But I cant find anything in the intent filters that will launch my app based on a hotkey.
May 05 10:54:29 <dblosevn> really suprised tasker doesnt support this so im wondering if its not possible
May 05 10:59:51 <rohit7roy> what is the difference between a image stored in drawable and fetching it from server ?
May 05 11:04:44 <rohit7roy> what is the difference between a image stored in drawable and fetching it from server ?
May 05 11:08:01 <jutsi> what is GC overhead limit? I'm apparently exceeding it
May 05 11:08:17 <jutsi> I googled it, but all i got was a bunch of "how to fix"
May 05 11:08:56 <oiZo> Anyone using com.trello.victor? i'm trying to implement it, and have added    sourceSets { debug { svg.srcDir 'src/debug/svg' } }    but get "Cannot resolve symbol"
May 05 11:11:56 <oiZo> okay, doesn't matter I screwed up, i've put the folder in the wrong location.. my bad
May 05 11:12:22 <TacticalJoke> jutsi:  Not sure, but where are you exceeding it?
May 05 11:14:06 <dblosevn> jusi: the selected answer on this post http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1393486/error-java-lang-outofmemoryerror-gc-overhead-limit-exceeded explains it quite nicely, basically your app spends more than 98% of cpu time doing GC  and less than 2% of time execting your app
May 05 11:16:15 <jutsi> TacticalJoke it doesn't say.. when i try to launch the project, an error window pops up with that message and recommends me to close eclipse
May 05 11:17:00 <TacticalJoke> So Eclipse is the issue?
May 05 11:17:03 <danijoo> so its an ide error and not on the phone
May 05 11:17:04 <TacticalJoke> Android Studio is better now, anyway.
May 05 11:18:05 <rohit7roy> image is not fitting the image view when image is fetched from server whereas when the same image is loaded from drawable it is filling the imageview
May 05 11:20:19 <DLSteve> TacticalJoke, I like AS way better but I am not a super experienced Android dev.
May 05 11:20:50 <DLSteve> The IDE itself is a lot better than Eclipse.
May 05 11:21:20 <rohit7roy> can anyone suggest something
May 05 11:22:19 <TacticalJoke> rohit7roy:  It's hard to help because you haven't given much info.
May 05 11:22:26 <TacticalJoke> For example, how are you getting the image from the server?
May 05 11:22:32 <jutsi> TacticalJoke could very well be, im not familiar with this issue at all, but it does not point to the code at all
May 05 11:23:05 <jutsi> I just imported the google play services, so it  could be that it can't handle keeping that project open
May 05 11:23:27 <dblosevn> jutsi: in your eclipse.ini you could try increasing the heap size for the jvm if you dont want to try android studio
May 05 11:23:31 <rohit7roy> TacticalJoke: i'm using Picasso to load the image
May 05 11:23:54 <TacticalJoke> rohit7roy:  What does the Picasso.with(...) statement look like?
May 05 11:24:39 <rohit7roy> TacticalJoke:
May 05 11:24:40 <rohit7roy> Picasso.with(getContext())
May 05 11:24:42 <rohit7roy>                     .load(item.seller.image)
May 05 11:24:43 <rohit7roy>                     .placeholder(R.drawable.img_nature5)
May 05 11:24:45 <rohit7roy>                     .into(productImage);
May 05 11:26:49 <TacticalJoke> Try .fit().centerInside().
May 05 11:27:00 <TacticalJoke> Also, it's best to use pastebin for multi-line pastes in IRC.
May 05 11:27:37 <rohit7roy> yeah !!! i just realised after pasting the code
May 05 11:27:41 <TacticalJoke> Or it might be .fit().centerCrop(); I can't remember.
May 05 11:30:56 <rohit7roy> TacticalJoke: thanks !!!
May 05 11:31:03 <jutsi> ok so i changed the heapsize, but now eclipse is just stuck
May 05 11:31:30 <rohit7roy> TacticalJoke:  but whats is thereason for this behaviour ?
May 05 11:31:33 <TacticalJoke> jutsi:  The developer-tools team is focusing all its efforts on Android Studio now, so it's the IDE to go with nowadays.  Why stick with Eclipse?
May 05 11:32:21 <TacticalJoke> rohit7roy:  https://square.github.io/picasso/javadoc/com/squareup/picasso/RequestCreator.html#fit--
May 05 11:32:51 <jutsi> TacticalJoke out of preference really, though i did do my last project in android studio, but i didn't like the .gradle build thingie
May 05 11:37:16 <jutsi> so what exactly IS the heap size?
May 05 11:39:03 <vedu> In which format (HTML/markdown/JSON) should I receive some formatted text from my server? a markdown example to show my use-case: https://gist.github.com/vedant1811/3ae3b21d8c209e4ca1dc
May 05 11:40:04 <vedu> I want to dynamically add this to a ListView, so I want each item to be inflatable to a list_view_item.xml
May 05 11:48:07 <dblosevn> jutsi: the ammount of memory reserved for the application in this case the jvm for eclipse
May 05 11:48:29 <jutsi> ok cool, i increased it to 1024m and it worked
May 05 11:49:42 <dblosevn> jutsi: ya in the eclipse docs it says depnding on plugins etc you may have to incluse it likely the google play services import was using more memory than your orginal heap size allowed and GC couldnt do anything to clear any memory
May 05 11:50:15 <jutsi> GC = Garbage collector?
May 05 11:50:15 <dblosevn> incluse/increase/s
May 05 11:50:26 <dblosevn> yes
May 05 11:50:33 <jutsi> aaah it makes so much more sense now
May 05 11:52:12 <dblosevn> ya it suprises me eclipses max healp is set at 512mb by default in windows
May 05 11:52:28 <dblosevn> wow healp/heap/s ...
May 05 11:53:47 <tx> people still use eclipse?
May 05 11:53:55 <dblosevn> apparently :)
May 05 11:54:14 <dblosevn> I still use it for phonegap apps bout it though
May 05 11:55:12 <dblosevn> and rarely for that, been using the phonegap cli to compile lately
May 05 11:59:18 <jutsi> aah im getting tired of eclipse.. now it won't find the emulator
May 05 12:01:05 <dblosevn> I gave up on the emulator quite a while ago, don't know how many times something worked in the emulator but didnt on a device, or vise versa. eg spending hours trying to figure out why something didnt work in the emulator only to find out it worked on devices all along
May 05 12:10:27 <thepoosh> dblosevn: try genymotion
May 05 12:17:39 <dblosevn> thepoosh: will definitely check it out
May 05 12:18:13 <thepoosh> it's limited but infinitely better than the built in emulator
May 05 12:21:40 <danijoo> thepoosh, limited in what way? I never found something I cant do with it
May 05 12:24:48 <chili4sale> I have got 2 imageViews and there is a problem: imageView1 does not fit imageView2, both of them should have the same size. How can I fix it? At the moment it looks like this: https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/qfk9BwSu506FmEzzneOFh1pvgp1LLBtP/tempFileForShare.jpg
May 05 12:25:26 <Estel> chili4sale: is the bitmap being scaled to fit the imageview?
May 05 12:25:33 <Estel> Post your layout file
May 05 12:26:30 <chili4sale> I just have got      android:layout_width="wrap_content"
May 05 12:26:30 <chili4sale>      and      android:layout_height="wrap_content"      for imageView1 and imageView2
May 05 12:27:10 <Estel> That probably won't work, you want them to be the same size, presumably?
May 05 12:27:29 <Estel> (It's better to pastebin the entire file rather than make assumptions about which bits are relevant)
May 05 12:27:40 <chili4sale> I tried imageView1.setScaleType(ImageView.ScaleType.FIT_XY); but it didn't work :(
May 05 12:29:30 <hTmlDP> hey
May 05 12:29:54 <hTmlDP> my service doesn't restart after kill, although onStartCommand returns START_STICKY
May 05 12:30:05 <hTmlDP> (my service class extends Service)
May 05 12:30:05 <Estel> I imagine you want layout_width="match_parent", android:adjustViewBounds="true", and android:scaleType="centerInside" for both views. Assuming your bitmaps have the same ratios.
May 05 12:31:44 <hTmlDP> that's my onCreate and onStartCommand http://lpst.tk/?DXaB
May 05 12:33:28 <thepoosh> danijoo: read JakeWharton's post on this
May 05 12:33:47 <danijoo> which?
May 05 12:33:49 <thepoosh> http://jakewharton.com/android-needs-a-simulator/
May 05 12:33:52 <hTmlDP> any help?
May 05 12:34:33 <danijoo> ah i kow that one
May 05 12:36:17 <thepoosh> danijoo: in any case, I can tell you from my experience that genymotion doesn't always represent reality
May 05 12:36:31 <thepoosh> i have a few N6 devices here and they're not the same in real life
May 05 12:37:34 <danijoo> can you give an example?
May 05 12:38:08 <_genuser_> eh, night time for you theblang
May 05 12:38:15 <_genuser_> * thepoosh
May 05 12:38:30 <danijoo> becausde jw doesnt have any downsides on it in that post afaik
May 05 12:38:34 <chili4sale> Estel: Thank you very very much :-) !
May 05 12:38:34 <thepoosh> no, it's 15:38
May 05 12:38:39 <danijoo> he just dont like the fact its 3rd party
May 05 12:38:50 <_genuser_> so another hour of youtubing?
May 05 12:38:52 <thepoosh> danijoo: in regards to camera and telephony services
May 05 12:38:56 <thepoosh> sms and stff
May 05 12:38:59 <thepoosh> *stuff
May 05 12:39:05 <ejay> Hello. I would like to start developing for android. My question is - which API is the best in terms of amount of users? Most of my friends got 4.4 (kitkat?) but lolipop look tempting and maybe google got some great plan for fragmentation. I was using androind couple years ago (ver 2.x.x I bielieve) and got not clue how android market look right now.
May 05 12:39:16 <danijoo> simulating sms works fine for me
May 05 12:39:38 <danijoo> receiving at least. didnt test sending
May 05 12:40:45 <TacticalJoke> ejay:  A lot of people set minSdkVersion to 15.  Some use 16.
May 05 12:41:28 <TacticalJoke> ejay:  https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
May 05 12:41:31 <adq> ejay, https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
May 05 12:41:35 <adq> oops, got ninja-ed
May 05 12:41:35 <adq> :p
May 05 12:41:48 <TacticalJoke> :D
May 05 12:42:06 <TacticalJoke> Those stats have changed.  Damn.  48.8% on >= 19 now?
May 05 12:42:17 <danijoo> I think the biggest downside is that its x86 and you cant test arm with it
May 05 12:42:19 <TacticalJoke> In fact, 49.5%.
May 05 12:42:31 <danijoo> but for plain java I never run into any problems with genymotion
May 05 12:43:10 <adq> thepoosh, I second what you say about genymotion (despite i'm pretty happy with it), for the telephony service it probably requires a lot of work (does it work in avd anyway?), there are also differences coming from the architecture (since its x86), when you profile there are big differences because of that in comparaison to ARM
May 05 12:43:10 <thepoosh> no, it's very good and fast for the regular tests
May 05 12:43:27 <ejay> TacticalJoke, adq: thanks guys.
May 05 12:44:14 <adq> i'm avoiding avd as much as i can, there are even typo in the binary name/command like:
May 05 12:44:20 <adq> media dispatch: dispatch a media key to the current media client.
May 05 12:44:20 <adq>                 KEY may be: play, pause, play-pause, mute, headsethoo
May 05 12:44:20 <adq>                 stop, next, previous, rewind, recordm fast-forword.
May 05 12:44:23 <adq> .........
May 05 12:44:42 <adq> "record, fast-forward" of course
May 05 12:47:36 <adq> so adb is bow-legged, AS is bow-legged, avd emulation is bow-legged, doc is moving to some twit or personal blog, etc... <3 android dev
May 05 12:47:57 <_genuser_> bow-legged  means?
May 05 12:48:18 <adq> dubious
May 05 12:48:27 <_genuser_> interesting.
May 05 12:48:58 <adq> problem with errors and probability is you don't sum them, you multiply them
May 05 12:50:37 <danijoo> whats "bow-legged" in AS?
May 05 12:50:51 <cnap> is the /app-cache directory still being used by Android and its apps ?
May 05 12:51:48 <adq> danijoo, take a look at https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/ if you never experimented any trouble with AS, which I doubt, even on stable
May 05 12:52:30 <danijoo> adq, show my any software where you can report bugs and the issue tracker does not look like that
May 05 12:52:47 <danijoo> you wont find one
May 05 12:53:24 <adq> I've never had a so much instable IDE to be honnest
May 05 12:53:26 <Estel> Well none of /my/ software has bugs ;)
May 05 12:53:37 <adq> anyway
May 05 12:53:41 <adq> sorry for the rant.
May 05 12:53:45 <danijoo> Estel, yeah my code is 100% bugfree, too
May 05 12:54:06 <Estel> Obviously we should be hired to the Tools team
May 05 12:54:21 <danijoo> adq, you didnt use a lot of ides then.
May 05 12:55:10 <adq> vim, emacs, visual studio, delphi, xcode, etc it's not a lot
May 05 12:55:26 <danijoo> adq, half of them are text editors, not ides :x
May 05 12:55:44 <adq> not going to troll
May 05 12:56:16 <danijoo> lets just close this discussion. It does lead nowhere and i didnt want to offend you
May 05 12:56:25 <adq> agreed, no offense taken lol
May 05 12:56:29 <danijoo> I just think AS is pretty good compared to the alternatives :)
May 05 12:58:47 <TacticalJoke> Oh, man, it's hard to use Java after Kotlin.  :[
May 05 12:58:52 <TacticalJoke> Java feels so wordy.
May 05 12:59:03 <TacticalJoke> Even basic switch statements.
May 05 12:59:45 <danijoo> TacticalJoke, I have a hard time switching between my projects because I always forget the ; after using kotlin for a day
May 05 12:59:55 <danijoo> in the other direction I always confuse switch and when
May 05 13:00:27 <gordon_> well I want to use case classes sometimes ;)
May 05 13:09:40 <Estel> One day I will learn to write good unit tests :(
May 05 13:10:11 <TacticalJoke> I use arrange/act/assert and keep each test simple.  Works well.
May 05 13:44:05 <Syzygy> I have a crash on a galaxy s 2 that only happens when GPS is disabled
May 05 13:44:18 <Syzygy> searchCriteria.setAccuracy(Criteria.ACCURACY_FINE); - IllegalArgumentException: no providers found for criteria
May 05 13:44:42 <Syzygy> but shouldn't this not matter? I thought it would return the next best available provider, even if it has lower accuracy
May 05 13:45:14 <Syzygy> it's working fine on other phones, only on galaxy s 2 it crashes
May 05 13:48:36 <icedp> Syzygy: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/Criteria.html#setAccuracy%28int%29
May 05 14:03:25 <TacticalJoke> f
May 05 14:03:30 <TacticalJoke> Oops.
May 05 14:04:51 <Syzygy> icedp, I don't feel like that explains it sufficiently.
May 05 14:12:32 <Syzygy> Is there a way to check if search ciriteria is available
May 05 14:17:18 <icedp> Syzygy: from the description I thought that may be not available for some devices. On second thought: there is something else. Show a stacktrace perhaps
May 05 14:22:55 <Syzygy_> icedp, http://pastebin.com/9SffhBTp
May 05 14:24:21 <Syzygy_> that fix is probably the worst code I've ever written.
May 05 14:24:52 <Syzygy_> also, turns out this crash doesn't just not happen on other devices than galaxy s 2, it only happens on one galaxy s 2 here at work.
May 05 14:27:42 <icedp> Syzygy_: seems like a bug. maybe try getProviders(criterea, ..)
May 05 14:28:07 <MooGoo> so if I want to use a custom object as a key in a HashMap, do I need to override equals() and hashCode() in the custom object in order to get separate instances of the custom object with the same values to be recognized as the same key?
May 05 14:28:33 <icedp> Syzygy_: so if not providers are enable for ACCURACY_FINE, then do not try to get it
May 05 14:34:01 <icedp> MooGoo: yes
May 05 14:34:48 <hTmlDP> hey
May 05 14:34:50 <Syzygy_> I guess I could try that.
May 05 14:34:54 <Syzygy_> thanks for the help
May 05 14:35:29 <hTmlDP> My service doesn't restart when i kill it using a task manager.
May 05 14:35:50 <hTmlDP> (the service class extends Service)
May 05 14:37:49 <hTmlDP> although my onStartCommand returns START_STICKY
May 05 14:37:56 <hTmlDP> any help?
May 05 14:40:25 <hTmlDP> ? =/
May 05 14:45:51 <aspire> hTmlDP wat is your problem
May 05 14:46:11 <hTmlDP> aspire: My service doesn't restart when i kill it using a task manager.
May 05 14:46:15 <alexfu> Just started using dagger2. I can see the generated classes being created but I can't seem to use them in the IDE...
May 05 14:46:32 <hTmlDP> although my onStartCommand returns START_STICKY.
May 05 14:46:40 <hTmlDP> the service class extends Service
May 05 14:46:57 <aspire> right
May 05 14:47:57 <hTmlDP> have been googling alot =|
May 05 14:48:40 <aspire> hTmlDP how about the docs for start sticky http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html#START_STICKY
May 05 14:48:57 <aspire> particularly the 2nd sentence
May 05 14:49:27 <hTmlDP> hmm
May 05 14:50:05 <aspire> strong emphasis on "later" :p
May 05 14:50:39 <hTmlDP> aspire: http://lpst.tk/?KtTC
May 05 14:50:59 <hTmlDP> aspire: lol
May 05 14:51:05 <hTmlDP> aspire: damn you're right
May 05 14:51:07 <hTmlDP> lol
May 05 14:51:07 <hTmlDP> lol
May 05 14:51:22 <joshkovach> so onErrorFlatMap() was removed from RxJava. How would you handle gracefully mapping a failed observable call to a fallback call?
May 05 14:51:27 <hTmlDP> later means more than 2 minutes then =p
May 05 14:51:50 <joshkovach> basically, "grab this thing locally, but if it fails, grab it from the server"
May 05 14:54:04 <pfn> lg watch urbane looks pretty nice
May 05 14:54:08 <pfn> I'd want one
May 05 14:57:27 <Estel> mm, it does look quite shiny
May 05 14:57:52 <Estel> or, well, "refined"
May 05 15:22:42 <Syzygy_> it's so great when the documentation is wrong -.-
May 05 15:22:58 <_genuser_> they want to be sure you're paying attention !
May 05 15:27:44 <pfn> hmm, that was fun
May 05 15:28:42 <yiati> It sure was
May 05 15:36:23 <tjbiddle> Has anyone setup push notification for the Xiaomi fork? (The popular Chinese Android fork)
May 05 15:36:50 <tjbiddle> I don't believe they set it up with the Play Store - so I'm assuming I can't use GCM
May 05 15:41:23 <sheikhaman> As long as I know, they do come up with Google Play Store
May 05 15:41:31 <sheikhaman> but not sure how they ship inside china
May 05 15:48:24 <_genuser_> sheik? now rich sheiks are also into writing apps?
May 05 15:49:09 <beav3r> lol
May 05 15:50:37 <tjbiddle> sheikhaman: Hm, definitely having a hard time finding keywords - I think Baidu is what's used for Chinese users
May 05 15:51:16 <tjbiddle> Also - just lol at the fact that in Amazon's SNS docs for it they have to guide you through their web interface since it's all Chinese :p http://docs.aws.amazon.com/sns/latest/dg/create-baidu-account.html
May 05 15:51:17 <yiati> _genuser_: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/04/prime-minister-of-singapore-shares-his-c-code-for-sudoku-solver/
May 05 15:51:54 <tjbiddle> I think Baidu is like the Chinese Google
May 05 15:53:17 <sheikhaman> Yes
May 05 15:53:24 <sheikhaman> Baidu is search engine in china
May 05 15:53:33 <icedp> lol, you must then enter the verification code (Chinese Simplified characters).
May 05 15:58:56 <iprime> sheikhaman, http://dev.xiaomi.com/doc/p=3015/index.html
May 05 15:59:28 <JakeWharton> joshkovach: onErrorResumeNext
May 05 16:00:08 <joshkovach> JakeWharton: Thanks, yeah, I found it. Mostly the same API, just uses Throwable instead of OnErrorThrowable
May 05 16:02:17 <sheikhaman> iprime, didn't get the context
May 05 16:02:57 <iprime> sheikhaman, thought you were looking for info abotut xiamoi's push client
May 05 16:03:09 <sheikhaman> oh it wasn't me, it was tjbiddle
May 05 16:03:12 <iprime> now I see it was tjbiddle
May 05 16:03:47 <_genuser_> yiati: that's pretty cool.
May 05 16:06:53 <sheikhaman> Anybody faced an issue with Android Studio where it would just stop resolving imports?
May 05 16:07:07 <sheikhaman> Like imports of Support library, other libraries that you give it to?
May 05 16:07:17 <sheikhaman> have given them as gradle imports, not jar
May 05 16:07:21 <sheikhaman> this is driving me nuts
May 05 16:09:13 <tjbiddle> Thank you iprime
May 05 16:09:15 <dblosevn> Hey guys, is there an intent filter that can listen for hot keys pressed eg like search + [a-z0-9] as it seems that quick launch was removed from settings sometime ago?
May 05 16:11:06 <dblosevn> I want to upgrade my 2012 N7 carkit to something newer with lolipop but it seems I will loose my rearview camera opening when i put my truck in reverse being I cant find quick launch in android 5. So I thought I would write a little wrapper app to listen for a hotkey and launch / close the camera. But I cant find anything in the intent filters that will launch my app based on a hotkey.
May 05 16:11:06 <dblosevn> really suprised tasker doesnt support this so im wondering if its not possible
May 05 16:15:48 <beav3r> anything is possible
May 05 16:19:27 <tx> You just have to believe!
May 05 16:20:30 <dragorn> dblosevn, http://www.kandroid.org/online-pdk/guide/keymaps_keyboard_input.html is what defines the keymap and detects stuff for launching home, browser, email, etc from physical keyboard events
May 05 16:21:28 <dragorn> dblosevn, either figure out how to monitor that, OR make something which responds to an event you don't use (like the email client or something) via the manifest intent handlers, set it as the preferred app, and make a little shim that launches your backup camera via standard start intents when it gets the email event
May 05 16:23:51 <dblosevn> awesome this will likely get me there thanks :) still dont really understand why they removed support for this though :( was super simple before to configure but it is what it is, and I had planned on writing a custom launcher app for it anyways so this should give me the push i needed to do so
May 05 16:24:50 <dragorn> dblosevn, if you're rooted, you could replace the keymap file.  I'd probably just override email or something and call it good if there's no way to hook it directly
May 05 16:26:04 <dblosevn> ya, the steering wheel button that launches the music player works so they didnt remove the hotkey support just the ability to manage it
May 05 16:27:04 <dblosevn> so I thought about using one of the other hotkeys that I dont currently use like `call` being the te tablet doesnt have aa phone
May 05 16:33:28 <icedp> dblosevn: O
May 05 16:33:46 <icedp> dblosevn: I'm not sure what is quick launch feature is, I don't remember it
May 05 16:33:56 <icedp> but you can catch search intent
May 05 16:34:05 <icedp> the one that usually launches google now
May 05 16:38:28 <dblosevn> you press search + [a-z0-9] and it launces an activity such as music or a custom app
May 05 16:38:54 <dblosevn> you used to be able to configure it in applications/quick launch
May 05 16:40:02 <dblosevn> they removed it from the UI at least in 4.2.2 maybe earlier but it still existed if you launched the activity for it directly until 5.0 I believe. In 5.0 the activity no longer exists
May 05 16:40:13 <icedp> press where? or soft-keyboard?
May 05 16:40:21 <dblosevn> hardware keyboard
May 05 16:40:29 <icedp> ah ah
May 05 16:41:04 <dblosevn> I use a resitive input to usb keyboard to tranlated pressing buttons on my steering whell to performing actions on the droid
May 05 16:41:19 <dblosevn> weel/wheel/s
May 05 16:41:37 <Mavrik> huh
May 05 16:41:45 <Mavrik> I don't remember that being in at any time
May 05 16:41:50 <Mavrik> did you have a 3rd party ROM?
May 05 16:42:03 <dblosevn> its there :) yes I do but it was there in stock as well
May 05 16:42:16 <_genuser_> so I'm on the phone with a recruiter and it occurs to me, I would be nice to know what they do!
May 05 16:42:19 <_genuser_> LOL.
May 05 16:42:19 <theGraeme> ahhh, maaaaan.  I've been seeing bug reports for ages that I can't reproduce.  Client sent a video today, and suddenly it becomes clear what's going on:  The offshore testers in India have an internet connection SO SLOW, they are able to click about faster than possible here in Canada, and are logging crashes that don't appear otherwise.
May 05 16:42:32 <yiati> have to have a 3rd party rom to get 5.0 on a Motorola Droid
May 05 16:43:19 <Mavrik> theGraeme, you mean you never tested your app on EDGE connection? :P
May 05 16:43:31 <theGraeme> At Droidcon Montreal, someone was talking about a way to throttle internet connections on an Android device to simulate very slow internet.  Does anyone know what that way is?
May 05 16:43:32 <dblosevn> mavrik im using timurs usbrom just for charging with otg and the option isnt there its 4.2.2 i have to call the activity for it manully
May 05 16:44:31 <dblosevn> my note 3 with 5.0 doesnt have the activity so i cant configure it, I use search + 8 to open the app and search + 9 to close it (using a root tasker task to kill the process)
May 05 16:44:34 <Mavrik> theGraeme, you can do it in the emulator by default or using computer as an AP and throttling connection there.
May 05 16:44:55 <theGraeme> yeah I'm going to have to look into that, thanks Mavrik
May 05 16:45:41 <theGraeme> Still, what a pain.  Chasing down bugs that only happen for cheap offshore testers, but aren't reported in our Google Analytics production environment at all.  *sigh*
May 05 16:46:06 <Mavrik> huh
May 05 16:46:25 <Mavrik> you're saying you've never had customer in US run your app on a GPRS/EDGE?
May 05 16:46:44 <Mavrik> or intermittent connection while commuting on subway?
May 05 16:48:02 <theGraeme> well, the slow connection is only the backdrop.  The video shows the guy starting an external process, cancelling it before it gets a chance to load, switching vehicles before it gets a chance to refresh vehicle data, and then trying to load the external process again.
May 05 16:48:28 <theblang> theGraeme: I live in Mississippi.  I promise you there are plenty of areas on state highways that the connection sucks :P
May 05 16:48:57 <theGraeme> the kind of thing that, in the real world, MAYBE a crackhead with Parkinson's could click that rapidly and randomly.
May 05 16:49:17 <theblang> theGraeme: lol
May 05 16:49:27 <theblang> theGraeme: Have you seen monkey?
May 05 16:49:48 <theGraeme> But it finally explains why testers log bugs that are never seen in development, on-site QA, or production.
May 05 16:50:02 <theGraeme> theblang:  Yeah, but never used
May 05 16:50:22 <theblang> theGraeme: You should try it out.  Very easy, since it is bundled with the Android tools.
May 05 16:50:38 <theblang> theGraeme: Pretty funny what it tries to do, really neat tool
May 05 17:00:27 <dblosevn> mavrik: finaly found the activity name, it definitely was part of android at one point com.android.settings.quicklaunch.quicklaunchsettings
May 05 17:02:29 <dblosevn> looks like it was added in 2.3 but was definitely there in ics as well as kitkat just they had removed the icon to launch it
May 05 17:05:32 <dblosevn> even more wierd is that its still in the codebase in 5.0.2... http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android-apps/5.0.2_r1/com/android/settings/quicklaunch/QuickLaunchSettings.java/ so maybe its just samsung that removed support for it?
May 05 17:10:50 <Mavrik> dblosevn, uh, didn't you say you have a nexus 7?
May 05 17:11:28 <dblosevn> ya I do and it works on it but im considering replacing it with the latest n7 or something else with 5.0 on it
May 05 17:11:45 <Muchoz> Does someone know a good way of linking integers (out of order) to drawables? E.g: 0 -> @drawable/ic_launcher, 125 -> @drawable/ic_favorite
May 05 17:11:56 <dblosevn> I just tested my current setup plugging my note 3 into it and everything worked except launching the camera when i put the truck in reverse
May 05 17:12:06 <g00s> mm, isn't there some easy way to say StateListDrawable sld = getResources.getStateListDrawable(r.drawable.my_statelist) ?
May 05 17:12:19 <iphy> hi, what happens if the onCreate method of a service never returns normally? as in, it has an endless loop
May 05 17:12:26 <g00s> looks like you have to build it up programatically ?
May 05 17:13:20 <Muchoz> g00s, it isn't a list of states.
May 05 17:13:42 <Muchoz> The API I'm using has an integer for every possible icon.
May 05 17:14:08 <Muchoz> 0xx for icons that have to do with something, 1xx for icons that have to do with something else.
May 05 17:14:27 <Muchoz> They're not all in use of course.
May 05 17:14:32 <g00s> it has .inflate() method but that seems for something else
May 05 17:14:40 <dblosevn> Mavrik: I could put 5.0 on the n7 but its the 2012 and it runs horribly slow so I went back to usbrom 4.2.2
May 05 17:14:46 <g00s> still doesn't make sense to me ...
May 05 17:15:22 <g00s> the unit tests in CTS inflate StateListDrawables from xml, but from XMlResourceParsers
May 05 17:16:27 <dblosevn> Mavrik: the note 3 definintly isnt going to be the replacement for the n7 it was just a test device to see if everything would still work in 5.0 before I bought a tablet with 5.0. and everything actually works better on the note 3 with the exception of not being able to set hotkeys to trigger activitys.
May 05 17:25:56 <hTmlDP> hey
May 05 17:26:29 <hTmlDP> what's wrong with this widget layout: http://htmldp.com/p/?EeYO ?
May 05 17:26:42 <hTmlDP> system says "Can't add the widget"
May 05 17:29:57 <hTmlDP> any help?
May 05 17:31:30 <g00s> AS 1.2.1 out
May 05 17:35:00 <sh0ne> How can I sign my apk file with system signature (no root on target phone)?
May 05 17:36:17 <perlsyntax> hi
May 05 17:36:33 <perlsyntax> :)
May 05 17:36:42 <g00s> ugh wth http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/05/04/play-store-5-5-accompanies-page-transitions-with-a-spiffy-new-circular-animation/
May 05 17:36:47 <dragorn> dblosevn, do you have your project documented anywhere, by the way?
May 05 17:36:52 <g00s> that just .. silly
May 05 17:37:15 <dragorn> dblosevn, I've thought about similar, though I'll probably wait until android auto and swap head units then, to be honest
May 05 17:39:44 <dblosevn> dragorn: no I dont unfortuantely but I plan too, its definitely coming together quite nicely and so far it has worked with every android ive plugged in and as a bonus works with my laptop as well, so far I have 500gb SSD, fm radio, backup camera, (cd drive in the works), DAC (usb digital audio convertor), and steering wheel controls
May 05 17:40:13 <dragorn> dblosevn, I'm impressed at the backup camera.  Using a USB capture device?  Or is an IP camera
May 05 17:40:26 <dblosevn> ya usb UVC device
May 05 17:40:55 <dblosevn> an the n7 it opens the camera app when in reverse and closes it when you put it in drive
May 05 17:42:09 <dblosevn> using an rcjoycon eXr for resitive input to hardware keyboard with an SWI-RC to convert the steering wheel controls on my jeep to resitive input
May 05 17:43:29 <dblosevn> i plan to write an app / launcher for it and also pair it with an arduino and get info from the canbus as well
May 05 17:44:47 <dblosevn> which honestly when I do that I wont need the keyboard shortcuts anymore as I will likely remove the rcjoycon and just do the launching of apps via input from the arduino
May 05 17:45:21 <dragorn> dblosevn, that's really impressive
May 05 17:45:41 <dragorn> dblosevn, yeah - so if you can emulate a generic USB device, you can use the USB userspace stuff in android and respond to custom commands
May 05 17:45:55 <dragorn> dblosevn, you can do that w/ something as simple as an attiny85; you can just do hid polling or something
May 05 17:45:56 <JesusFreke> sh0ne: if you don't have the key used to sign the system, then you can't, obviously.
May 05 17:46:25 <JesusFreke> that's kinda the whole point :)
May 05 17:46:49 <dragorn> dblosevn, look at vusb for atmel; w/ an avr and a few resistors you can be an arbitrary usb1 device (basically the same thing that runs in the helper processor of the uno)
May 05 17:47:41 <dragorn> dblosevn, did you make your own rom with usbuvc or is someone shipping that enabled now?  I know some people who'd be interested
May 05 17:48:02 <dblosevn> dragorn: every stock rom ive tried has supported it
May 05 17:48:12 <dragorn> dblosevn, innnnteresting
May 05 17:48:26 <dblosevn> as well as the dac
May 05 17:48:49 <dblosevn> i dont use the headphone jack to get the audio I get the audio off the otg connection
May 05 17:49:49 <dblosevn> sounds so much better, all this is hooked up to a 10 speaker system right now, 2 10 inch mids, 2 2 inch mids, 4 2 inch tweeters, 2 12 inch woofers
May 05 17:49:59 <sh0ne> JesusFreke: thanks for pointing that out, I really didn't know :) I created an application that has one button and I want to reboot phone when that key is pressed.
May 05 17:50:08 <dblosevn> *2 8 inch mids not 2 inch mids lol
May 05 17:50:23 <jaana> JakeWharton: In Retrofit, if I specify an ErrorHandler and an error occurs, my ErrorHandler#handleError gets called (good) but the subscriber’s onError() does not, is this normal?
May 05 17:50:41 <sh0ne> JesusFreke: is there any way of doing it without signing the app with system signature?
May 05 17:51:13 <JesusFreke> I dunno how reboot is protected. If it requires the system uid, or if it's a system-or-signature permision, or what.
May 05 17:51:51 <dblosevn> dragorn: it does not work with the camera app though, I had to install a viewer app for it, although it just maybe the UVC i bought that has this requirement as I couldnt get video on the pc until I installed there app either
May 05 17:52:06 <dragorn> dblosevn, yeah I'd expect an external app to be required
May 05 17:52:33 <dblosevn> dragorn: but it didnt require any special drivers to be baked in
May 05 17:52:51 <dblosevn> dragorn: and the app was only like 2.99
May 05 17:53:01 <dragorn> dblosevn, yeah; you can bitbang it via the userspace API which seems like a lot of people do, I just found a git example of it
May 05 17:53:08 <dragorn> dblosevn, https://github.com/openxc/android-webcam
May 05 17:53:36 <yiati> So Espresso is a good Android source testing lib, and Mockito is a good Java source testing lib?
May 05 17:53:38 <dragorn> dblosevn, I've written wifi drivers in the userspace api, it's possible.  It's not pretty.  I never cared enough (ie, it was never actually MY project that needed it) to try to port the uvc drivers that way
May 05 17:53:47 <yiati> They are directly comparable are they?
May 05 17:54:25 <JakeWharton> no
May 05 17:54:47 <yiati> s/are/aren't/
May 05 17:54:59 <yiati> mmk cool
May 05 17:57:40 <Radther> Hey everyone!
May 05 18:01:24 <dblosevn> dragorn: ya im trying to make some more time for this so i can do everything I want this to do, ive looked at android auto and it just doesnt seem to be everything I want although it is cool
May 05 18:01:54 <dragorn> dblosevn, I think in and of itself auto isn't, but mixed w/ the head unit support for built-in camera, etc, it's probably going to be enough for me
May 05 18:02:45 <dragorn> dblosevn, well, I assume auto head units will function roughly like a normal unit, plus auto
May 05 18:03:25 <dblosevn> dragorn: my next step is going to be to 3d print a housing for it to mount over the dash and glass it in real nice. As my jeep doesnt have a full 2 din hole and i already used that up with an equlizer and input ports
May 05 18:04:53 <dblosevn> dragorn: eg power button, 3 usb ports on the otg hub 2x usb power port 2.6amp, line in
May 05 18:05:45 <dragorn> dblosevn, you should write up what you're doing and send it to hackaday
May 05 18:07:52 <dblosevn> dragorn: I am definitely going to do a writeup on it so I can show it off. Its no more than cool to the people that actually see it around town lol, only devs and geeks can really appreciate the time it takes and the stuff it actually does. I'm really wanting to find out if I can use an mhl adapter and otg and put tvs in the back of the jeep
May 05 18:08:48 <dblosevn> dragorn: or even cooler touch screen monitors in the back
May 05 18:09:39 <s73v3r> is there a list of suggested Lint checks that one uses before checking in code?
May 05 18:10:42 <s73v3r> or I guess anytime one runs lint checks?
May 05 18:12:37 <alexfu> anyone have any success with dagger 2 and using subcomponents?
May 05 18:15:46 <Radther> Does anyone have any good suggestions for how to structure an MVP app, or structuring apps in general. I'm talking package/folder wise.
May 05 18:17:38 <yoavst> what's new on 1.2.1?
May 05 18:18:01 <g00s> a mystery :)
May 05 18:19:30 <yoavst> 10 updates available in sdk manager. double mystery
May 05 18:21:31 <osipovas> hey weird issue with Google Play Services 7.3, specifically the location services module
May 05 18:21:32 <osipovas> https://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/location/FusedLocationProviderApi.html#requestLocationUpdates(com.google.android.gms.common.api.GoogleApiClient, com.google.android.gms.location.LocationRequest, android.app.PendingIntent)
May 05 18:21:48 <RishabhTatiraju> How do i make webviews from different fragments to go back when back key is pressed?
May 05 18:22:09 <osipovas> The PendingIntents no longer contain the key of KEY_LOCATION_CHANGED
May 05 18:22:27 <osipovas> Using Google Play Services 7.0.0 and lower the key remains
May 05 18:22:46 <pfn> new gradle plugin 1.2.3 already? man, fast and furious with those releases
May 05 18:22:56 <pfn> I hate releasing a new plugin just to keep in lock step with them
May 05 18:23:17 <sheikhaman> anybody who's built a library in Android Studio?
May 05 18:23:36 <RishabhTatiraju> i have a fragment having three webviews each inside a tab, i want the back button to make the webview go back
May 05 18:23:46 <sheikhaman> which webview?
May 05 18:23:52 <sheikhaman> and why is your design like that?
May 05 18:24:11 <sheikhaman> webview is a very heavy component, and you have not just one but 3 in one single container screen?
May 05 18:24:15 <RishabhTatiraju> Well i have 3 tabs which simultaneously load three different websites
May 05 18:24:26 <sheikhaman> oh
May 05 18:24:31 <g00s> pfn then don't :D
May 05 18:24:39 <pfn> g00s, I don't
May 05 18:25:17 <g00s> osipovas time to look at the sources :P
May 05 18:25:41 <osipovas> How?
May 05 18:25:54 <RishabhTatiraju> it is to make the user not get lazy by changing the url all the time. The audience i am targeting requires a lot of copy pasting from one website to another, so i've put them all into a tabhost so that the user can switch between the websites easily
May 05 18:25:56 <osipovas> Isn't google play services minified?
May 05 18:25:59 <sheikhaman> g00s, I need some idea over an issue I am facing
May 05 18:26:20 <g00s> osipovas jk, but i tried getting some answers about play services, and could not find anyone to contact ,or any bug tracker to submit too
May 05 18:26:42 <lasserix> is there a website with videos that fall somewhere between TED and mitopenmedia?
May 05 18:26:45 <RishabhTatiraju> the trouble is, the user does not want the back key to colse the app but to make the webview go back. I realise that it is easy for one webview
May 05 18:27:38 <RishabhTatiraju> but in my case there are three, although in different tabs...is there any method to check which webview is currently under display and only make that specific webview go back?
May 05 18:27:40 <yoavst> Does someone use Cucumber with Intellij IDEA or Android Studio? I want to start do unit testing, and I can't find how to make the IDE support it as it should - https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/cucumber.html
May 05 18:27:40 <sheikhaman> g00s, osipovas, most such google services are a black hole, and you can't find people inside google who would talk about them
May 05 18:27:55 <sheikhaman> e.g. if your free gmail accounts goes kaput, all the best finding anybody to talk to :D
May 05 18:27:56 <lasserix> RishabhTatiraju: just make them go in order of the tabs
May 05 18:28:01 <lasserix> 3-2-1-exit
May 05 18:28:11 <lasserix> or 1-2-3-exit if you are RtL
May 05 18:28:23 <RishabhTatiraju> ah, not the solution but you mentioning tabs just struck me an idea
May 05 18:28:55 <RishabhTatiraju> i can check which tab is selected and as per that i can decide which webview should go back
May 05 18:28:59 <RishabhTatiraju> thanks! :D
May 05 18:30:39 <yoavst> Why isn't "Cucumber for Java" plugin do not available for Android Studio 1.2 but to IDEA 14.1?
May 05 18:31:10 <g00s> hm, maybe you can get it from their plugin repo
May 05 18:31:12 <RishabhTatiraju> and while someone just pointed, between OSM and Google Maps, which API do u prefer?
May 05 18:31:36 <yoavst> g00s: it says a problem with the format
May 05 18:31:44 <g00s> yoavst but some plugins like the sqlite browser are to differentiate between free / paid
May 05 18:31:58 <yoavst> g00s: I'm talking about the free IDEA version
May 05 18:32:23 <RishabhTatiraju> OSM gives support without play services so i prefer that, but it does lack the amount of features Google Maps provides.
May 05 18:32:25 <g00s> yoavst no idea (lol) is it in community edition or premium ?
May 05 18:32:42 <yoavst> g00s: I can find it on repo for IDEA community 14.1
May 05 18:32:46 <yoavst> but not in Android Studio 1.2
May 05 18:33:06 <g00s> pfn might know about that, i thought he said AS / cE were different product codes or something
May 05 18:33:31 <yoavst> the strange thing is, when I try to install it from zip downloaded from intellij's site: "Fail to load plugin descriptor from file cucumber-java.zip"
May 05 18:33:42 <thepoosh> g00s: !!!
May 05 18:33:46 <g00s> hey thepoosh !
May 05 18:33:53 <thepoosh> sup?
May 05 18:34:00 <g00s> thepoosh so you guys good for tomorrow ?
May 05 18:34:05 <thepoosh> nope
May 05 18:34:16 <thepoosh> crashes on production because of the upgrade
May 05 18:34:18 <yoavst> tried both the regular and _ce versions
May 05 18:34:18 <TacticalJoke> This is interesting: https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/149371/
May 05 18:34:23 <thepoosh> about 5-7% of upgraders
May 05 18:34:39 <yoavst> Branch	studio-1.3-dev Topic	
May 05 18:34:54 <g00s> thepoosh but you know where right ? i thought you guys had like 4 analytics packages :D
May 05 18:35:04 <thepoosh> lolz
May 05 18:35:11 <yoavst> Is there a support IRC channel for Intellij?
May 05 18:35:24 <g00s> yoavst yes, but its usually quiet
May 05 18:35:25 <thepoosh> it's happening in Volley DiskBasedCache due to a race condition
May 05 18:35:57 <g00s> thepoosh wait, the changes google wanted required touching volley ?
May 05 18:36:08 <thepoosh> nah
May 05 18:36:13 <g00s> ah ok
May 05 18:36:18 <thepoosh> but we clear the request cache in a post delayed
May 05 18:37:38 <g00s> yeah, hate those async bugs
May 05 18:37:50 <yoavst> damn it, the Cucumber for Java plugin works great or intellij IDEA :/
May 05 18:38:28 <g00s> yoavst you want your cucumber and eat it too :D
May 05 18:39:10 <yoavst> g00s: I don't even like this
May 05 18:39:31 <yoavst> I got a stupid bug with my current ROM, my app always crash when I launch it with debugger
May 05 18:40:07 <g00s> if youtalk to the duck nicely, it should be ok
May 05 18:40:19 <drose379> Guys I dont see the difference between void and Void
May 05 18:41:11 <yoavst> g00s: so where should I report this problem, youtrack or android issues?
May 05 18:41:29 <g00s> yoavst i'm not sure
May 05 18:43:31 <groxx> anyone know if there's a way to find out which CPU core a thread is running on?
May 05 18:44:20 <g00s> groxx i'd beinterested to know too, afaik there is no api for affinity
May 05 18:44:37 <drose379> Guys why would AS say that I need to implement a method, even though I already implemented it
May 05 18:44:37 <RishabhTatiraju> folks, is there a method to check if navigation drawer is closed?
May 05 18:44:55 <andocromn> can someone help with what should be basic code?  i'm trying to determine if a value exists in an array, but it is always coming back false
May 05 18:45:01 <RishabhTatiraju> isDrawerOpen() is to check if its open, what to check if it is closed?
May 05 18:45:17 <g00s> !isDrawerOpen() ?
May 05 18:45:28 <danijoo> RishabhTatiraju, are you serious?
May 05 18:45:34 <g00s> lol
May 05 18:45:52 <RishabhTatiraju> ??
May 05 18:45:58 <g00s> !!
May 05 18:46:10 <danijoo> If isDrawerOpen() is false, what alternatives are there?
May 05 18:46:58 <RishabhTatiraju> oh! so its output is boolean
May 05 18:47:05 <RishabhTatiraju> sorry
May 05 18:47:07 <RishabhTatiraju> :P
May 05 18:47:16 <danijoo> what else should be the output?
May 05 18:47:28 <danijoo> "yes"
May 05 18:47:52 <RishabhTatiraju> so i just check if it returns false
May 05 18:47:57 <RishabhTatiraju> got it, lame it was :P
May 05 18:49:16 <g00s> man i wish google would push all-in-one OTAs, i think going from 4.4.4 to 5.1.1 is like 4 updates / reboots ?
May 05 18:49:27 <g00s> thats just crappy
May 05 18:49:41 <groxx> factory images FTW
May 05 18:50:13 <danijoo> g00s, download 5.1.1 and run the start.sh script in it :p
May 05 18:50:14 <g00s> after i read about 2013 N7s dropping like flies i'm hestitant to update also :)
May 05 18:50:42 <TacticalJoke> Updating is terrifying.
May 05 18:50:55 <yoavst> the ladt time i've 'start.sh'ed I have deleted the OS and recovery
May 05 18:51:02 <TacticalJoke> I'll update this phone only after I get a new one.
May 05 18:51:05 <drose379> Guys does this look wrong to you? http://pastie.org/10160397
May 05 18:51:05 <RishabhTatiraju> Its more terrifying on custom roms
May 05 18:51:10 <drose379> Hey TacticalJoke
May 05 18:51:13 <yoavst> it is a mircale that I've fixed it :/
May 05 18:51:14 <drose379> I actually got a question
May 05 18:51:49 <TacticalJoke> Hey.
May 05 18:51:57 <g00s> danijoo good think you added -p ... is that like rm -fr / or something :)
May 05 18:52:11 <RishabhTatiraju> like Mokee, it asks you to download the entire rom while upgrading to a new android version.
May 05 18:53:41 <drose379> TacticalJoke did you see the link I pasted above
May 05 18:53:55 <drose379> Having an issue extending AsyncTask
May 05 18:55:02 <TacticalJoke> I never use AsyncTask, so I couldn't say off hand.
May 05 18:55:18 <TacticalJoke> But the compiler will tell you.
May 05 18:55:25 <drose379> Ok, its saying I have to implement doInBackground method, but I did implement it
May 05 18:55:57 <TacticalJoke> You have to implement it with the correct signature.
May 05 18:56:41 <pfn> then you didn't implement it
May 05 18:56:45 <pfn> wrong signature
May 05 18:56:54 <drose379> but the override is fine
May 05 18:56:57 <danijoo> use @Override-_-
May 05 18:57:01 <drose379> I did use override
May 05 18:57:02 <pfn> but it isn't
May 05 18:57:06 <pfn> wrong signature
May 05 18:57:13 <drose379> Whats wrong with it?
May 05 18:57:24 <pfn> you're the one that wrote it
May 05 18:57:27 <pfn> I can't see what you wrote
May 05 18:57:44 <pfn> mind reading OP
May 05 18:57:53 <g00s> groxx do you know any way to create StateListDrawable from code (defined in xml) ?
May 05 18:58:02 <danijoo> post execute has the wrong return value
May 05 18:58:08 <danijoo> param*
May 05 18:58:26 <drose379> danijoo it needs a param?
May 05 18:58:39 <pfn> String,Void,Bitmap, yet doInBackground is String => String
May 05 18:59:06 <groxx> g00s: "from code defined in xml" ?  like, inflate the drawable?
May 05 18:59:14 <g00s> groxx yeah
May 05 18:59:19 <drose379> Maybe I dont understand what im supposed to put as the generic types then danijoo pfn
May 05 18:59:28 <g00s> StateListDrawable xxx = <magic>
May 05 18:59:39 <groxx> g00s: I would think resources.getDrawable(R.drawable.yolo) would do that
May 05 18:59:41 <pfn> drose379, maybe read the documentation
May 05 18:59:45 <pfn> drose379, rather than writing garbage
May 05 19:00:01 <drose379> Ok, thanks
May 05 19:00:15 <g00s> groxx hm, well it returns Drawable not StateListDrawable, i guess i can check
May 05 19:00:41 <groxx> yeah, that's the only way to make that API.  it should be castable, though I suppose it could be wrapped by something along the way...
May 05 19:00:47 <pfn> g00s, cast
May 05 19:00:51 <pfn> g00s, duh
May 05 19:00:57 <Jymmm> Not sure where to ask... What defines if a device can use OTG?  I'm looking to pick up a bunch of (china special) devices and what ed to know what to look out for
May 05 19:01:08 <pfn> g00s, findViewById returns View...
May 05 19:01:58 <pfn> man, lg urbane so nice, I might have to pick one up
May 05 19:02:45 <pfn> too bad no metal bracelet, but that should be standard
May 05 19:03:19 <drose379> pfn I dont see the problem with passing <String,Void,Bitmap>
May 05 19:03:24 <drose379> String is the params
May 05 19:03:32 <drose379> I am passing String to doInBackground as a param
May 05 19:03:49 <pfn> drose379, and your return type?
May 05 19:04:24 <drose379> doInBackground will return a Bitmap
May 05 19:04:30 <drose379> so I should change that
May 05 19:07:32 <drose379> pfn I changed that but still having the same issue
May 05 19:08:24 <TacticalJoke> Can't you just press Alt+Enter and have Android Studio implement the methods?
May 05 19:08:33 <TacticalJoke> Or Ctrl+O.
May 05 19:08:36 <drose379> Maybe
May 05 19:09:35 <drose379> Whats String...params
May 05 19:10:03 <TacticalJoke> Variadic arguments.
May 05 19:10:31 <drose379> Gotta read about those
May 05 19:14:17 <drose379> So Variadic arguments make it so a number of Strings can be passed, rather then just one?
May 05 19:17:30 <groxx> drose379: specifically, so you can call `method(a, b, c, d, e, f, g)` , and you'll get `void method(String... args) { args.length == 7 }`.  more of a developer-convenience thing than anything else, since you could always just accept `String[]` instead, but that's a pain.
May 05 19:18:08 <drose379> So if I want to accept multiple strings
May 05 19:18:18 <drose379> I just do void method(String...params)
May 05 19:18:31 <drose379> Then I can pass (string1,string2,strin3)
May 05 19:19:35 <groxx> yep.  the alternative without that is to define e.g. `method(String a)`, + `method(String a, String b)`, etc, for each number of arguments you want to accept.
May 05 19:21:36 <drose379> Ok
May 05 19:21:48 <drose379> But for AsyncTask, wouldnt I override the execute method
May 05 19:21:53 <drose379> Because thats what actually does the task?
May 05 19:21:59 <groxx> iirc varargs does actually allocate an array, so at the micro level there's a performance difference between varargs and multiple methods.  but it's not big, and it's not a 100% clear-cut "A is better than B" anyway.
May 05 19:22:45 <TacticalJoke> You don't override execute. The system calls your overrides.
May 05 19:22:51 <groxx> not sure if you can override it.  the varargs is part of the signature of the method
May 05 19:23:00 <groxx> but you can call .execute() without any args
May 05 19:23:07 <yoavst> why do android studio do not run the default ApplicationTestCase? it says that he ran 0 tests
May 05 19:23:38 <drose379> So where do I put the code that I want my AsyncTask to do?
May 05 19:23:42 <drose379> In doInBackground()?
May 05 19:23:57 <thepoosh> guys, if you're using Volley, do not clear the cache in a background thread!
May 05 19:25:05 <danijoo> read the docs drose379
May 05 19:25:10 <drose379> I am
May 05 19:25:24 <drose379> My thought is that exeucte passes the args to doInBackground()
May 05 19:26:08 <danijoo> you dont have to care about what execute does. just call it :)
May 05 19:27:47 <drose379> But I need to know that it passes my params to doInBackground
May 05 19:29:28 <danijoo> it passes them to doInBackground and does some other stuff
May 05 19:29:34 <danijoo> like starting the thread
May 05 19:29:55 <drose379> Ok, perfec
May 05 19:29:57 <drose379> thanks
May 05 19:32:29 <groxx> ugh.  build.  fix.  build.  fix.  build.  fix.  WHEN CAN WE GET A PROBLEMS VIEW.
May 05 19:32:36 <g00s> TacticalJoke is material accentColor have anything to do with selections ?
May 05 19:32:52 <g00s> groxx yeah :(
May 05 19:33:10 <danijoo> g00s, yes. its used for the default ripple effect
May 05 19:33:16 <g00s> more like build. wait. install. wait. fix (repeat)
May 05 19:33:19 <danijoo> on listviews etc
May 05 19:33:31 <g00s> danijoo ok thanks
May 05 19:33:41 <groxx> g00s: results of a search/replace on a ton of semi-inconsistently-used calls.  so there's like 6 ways to fix it, and I need to find and fix all of them, though thankfully IdeaVim makes that just "."
May 05 19:33:54 <groxx> I think that was 20 cycles?
May 05 19:34:09 <groxx> this is not the future I was told I was born into :'(
May 05 19:34:26 <g00s> hehe
May 05 19:34:56 <g00s> groxx you can ask them at fireside chat when they will do something there :)
May 05 19:35:01 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, using the compiler to help with changes is the best way sometimes. It's so tedious in Gradle, unfortunately. :(
May 05 19:36:49 <g00s> somebody should ask if they can go back to eclipse :D
May 05 19:36:56 <g00s> \o/
May 05 19:39:24 <Gnjurac> hi is this still viable cuz i cant find any reff for LocationManagerHelper
May 05 19:39:31 <Gnjurac> http://incurlybraces.com/gps-location-coordinates-android.html
May 05 19:40:51 <Gnjurac> i want simple comand for conect to GPS sat, get location (lognitude,latitude) .to string , and then dc from GPS
May 05 19:45:46 <Gnjurac> i need simple on button click get location
May 05 19:46:22 <Gnjurac> i dont want any listener to read if i moved and similar
May 05 19:46:40 <pfn> god, I hate hipchat
May 05 19:46:45 <pfn> it's so garbage
May 05 19:46:46 <Gnjurac> i just want 1 time connect get lognintude latitu and off
May 05 19:46:49 <Gnjurac> hipcaht
May 05 19:46:54 <Gnjurac> wahts hipchat
May 05 19:46:57 <s73v3r> Why can’t the UI Designer instantiate the v7 CardView or Toolbar?
May 05 19:49:07 <Gnjurac> i dunno
May 05 19:49:20 <Gnjurac> http://incurlybraces.com/gps-location-coordinates-android.html
May 05 19:49:25 <Gnjurac> is this code obsleite
May 05 19:49:32 <Gnjurac> i google zilion codes
May 05 19:49:36 <Gnjurac> and all difrent
May 05 19:49:41 <Gnjurac> f android
May 05 19:49:57 <Gnjurac> is ther some simple
May 05 19:50:15 <Gnjurac> getLocation
May 05 19:51:04 <s73v3r> you need a listener, because location calls are async
May 05 19:52:36 <Gnjurac> why i must call location form async
May 05 19:52:51 <Gnjurac> i can w8
May 05 19:53:04 <Gnjurac> in normal
May 05 19:53:21 <s73v3r> because it can take time to retrieve the location, and they don’t want you blocking the UI thread waiting for a location
May 05 19:53:33 <Gnjurac> i dont g a f about thet
May 05 19:53:37 <Gnjurac> i am learning
May 05 19:53:42 <Gnjurac> i just want to test
May 05 19:53:43 <Gnjurac> out
May 05 19:53:49 <Gnjurac> i will later implement whole
May 05 19:53:51 <Gnjurac> alpp
May 05 19:53:59 <Gnjurac> porobbaly whit bacgound service
May 05 19:54:01 <s73v3r> too bad. they want you to care about it because they don’t want you blocking the ui thread
May 05 19:54:01 <Gnjurac> and similar
May 05 19:54:19 <Gnjurac> so can i do it in nonasyc
May 05 19:54:41 <Gnjurac> i can add thet STRICT metod so it wont troww error
May 05 19:55:20 <Gnjurac> is it possible?
May 05 19:55:27 <s73v3r> no
May 05 19:55:30 <Gnjurac> beh
May 05 19:55:33 <Gnjurac> they sux
May 05 19:55:50 <s73v3r> again, they don’t want you blocking the UI thread. they’re forcing you to do the right thing
May 05 19:56:05 <Gnjurac> anywey can i call it in service or shoud i make service + asyctask
May 05 19:56:37 <yoavst> How do I show unit testing input in AS rather then opening the generate html file?
May 05 19:56:40 <s73v3r> you can call it in a service
May 05 19:56:41 <yoavst> output*
May 05 19:57:37 <Gnjurac> ok so i make normal UI class or bService and i make side asyctas for listener
May 05 19:57:47 <Gnjurac> and i call asytask when i need it
May 05 19:59:36 <Gnjurac> ok i goo read this all shit
May 05 19:59:37 <Gnjurac> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/strategies.html
May 05 20:03:35 <livtyler> Hello, I'm getting an error with a nugget package I want to add: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=23699
May 05 20:04:17 <livtyler> please help
May 05 20:09:28 <Gnjurac> i cant
May 05 20:09:30 <Gnjurac> i noob
May 05 20:12:05 <Ashiren> hmm xamarin
May 05 20:13:03 <s73v3r> we don’t do much with Xamarin here
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May 05 20:27:05 <t0th_-_> hi
May 05 20:27:09 <t0th_-_> i am trying run an app in android lolipop but i have this problem: You need to use a Theme.AppCompat theme (or descendant) with this activity
May 05 20:27:15 <t0th_-_> in pre lolipop works
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May 05 20:29:59 <t0th_-_> thanks
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May 05 20:52:51 <Gnjurac> me insted com = noob
May 05 20:53:00 <Gnjurac> hahahh
May 05 20:53:20 <Gnjurac> i woudent give a dime about waht is ther
May 05 20:53:25 <danijoo> Ok. I just realized I should stop talk to you ^^'
May 05 20:53:37 <Gnjurac> hahahha
May 05 20:53:40 <Gnjurac> nooooooooo
May 05 20:53:42 <Gnjurac> help me
May 05 20:53:48 <Gnjurac> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
May 05 20:53:54 <Gnjurac> not my fount i noob
May 05 20:54:00 <Gnjurac> i need to start somwere
May 05 20:54:05 <ravilov> hm, spamming much?
May 05 20:54:07 <JesusFreke> Gnjurac: let's keep it a bit more constructive please
May 05 20:55:08 <Gnjurac> ok need  connect to Sattelits > Get.GPS location. TOSTRING > discconect
May 05 20:55:09 <danijoo> if someone constantly spams "hahaha", I automatically assume hes not older than 15. is that just me?
May 05 20:55:17 <Gnjurac> 25
May 05 20:55:21 <Gnjurac> sorry
May 05 20:55:38 <ravilov> danijoo, chro.me ;)
May 05 20:55:40 <Gnjurac> to string part i know
May 05 20:56:02 <Gnjurac> lol
May 05 20:56:12 <Gnjurac> you have 1 img
May 05 20:56:16 <Gnjurac> very nice use
May 05 20:56:45 <Gnjurac> ok need  connect to Sattelits > Get.GPS location. TOSTRING > discconect
May 05 20:56:59 <danijoo> ravilov, well. its something different if the .me matches in your name nicely :)
May 05 20:57:14 <ravilov> ok Gnjurac so do it instead of just yapping in here
May 05 20:57:25 <Gnjurac> i tryed
May 05 20:57:26 <Gnjurac> 3 times
May 05 20:57:33 <ravilov> use google
May 05 20:57:33 <Gnjurac> falowing difrent
May 05 20:57:36 <Gnjurac> examples
May 05 20:57:44 <Gnjurac> meybe i too dumb
May 05 20:57:47 <ravilov> danijoo, pft, details :p
May 05 20:58:01 <capella-s3> so...  many... newlines...
May 05 20:58:26 <danijoo> its like having a .to domain -> everyone immediatly thinks your page is for filesharing
May 05 20:58:38 <ravilov> naaah
May 05 20:58:38 <danijoo> even if its the goverment site of Togo land
May 05 20:58:39 <sanova> TacticalJoke: sorry for my later reply.. i choose different approach: i change my class to a singleton class, so that i can access instance from all activities i want (properties and methods) and this is the best solution for aim of that class i suppose.
May 05 20:58:41 <ravilov> pota.to :p
May 05 20:58:54 <sanova> late*
May 05 21:00:13 <danijoo> ravilov, stop disproving my theories :(
May 05 21:00:58 * ravilov stops
May 05 21:01:08 <JesusFreke> I wish I had grabbed baksma.li :(
May 05 21:01:24 <pfn> did someone take it from you?
May 05 21:01:28 <ravilov> there's still sma.li, JesusFreke ;)
May 05 21:02:38 <ravilov> I suppose smali is just not as attractive though
May 05 21:03:01 <JesusFreke> ravilov: nah, it's not available either
May 05 21:03:13 <JesusFreke> pfn. yes. and I even know who :p
May 05 21:03:58 <ravilov> someone in Phoenixville apparently
May 05 21:04:48 <g00s> Phoenixville ?
May 05 21:05:26 <ravilov> that's what the record says
May 05 21:05:42 <g00s> PA
May 05 21:05:57 <t0th_-_> hi
May 05 21:05:57 <danijoo> 24h and still no response from google :(
May 05 21:06:07 <ravilov> FranklinCommunications DomainRegister.com, PMB 307, 518 Kimberton Road, US-19460 Phoenixville
May 05 21:06:18 <t0th_-_> i put         <item name="android:windowContentTransitions">true</item> in my style.xml v21, but when i try test i dont have any transition
May 05 21:06:20 <g00s> danijoo what happened ?
May 05 21:06:31 <t0th_-_> i put         <item name="android:windowEnterTransition">@transition/explode</item> and         <item name="android:windowExitTransition">@transition/explode</item> too
May 05 21:06:44 <ravilov> danijoo, google? you really expect a response? :p
May 05 21:06:46 <danijoo> g00s, they diapproved an update to one of my apps
May 05 21:06:55 <danijoo> interesstingy it was only codeside bugfixes
May 05 21:06:55 <g00s> oh oh
May 05 21:07:01 <danijoo> and they approved the main app a week before lol
May 05 21:07:12 <g00s> yeah i fugure now hwnever you change play it causes some event
May 05 21:07:29 <ravilov> best not to update your apps ever again :p
May 05 21:07:33 <pfn> approve?
May 05 21:07:45 <pfn> you have google support? I wish I had cool things to get promoted
May 05 21:08:36 <danijoo> pfn, what do you mean?
May 05 21:08:46 <danijoo> whats wrong with "approve"?
May 05 21:08:57 <pfn> oh, I assume disapproval is because you were getting promoted, and they did not approve because you have bugs
May 05 21:09:53 <danijoo> huh? what has approval to do with being promoted
May 05 21:10:19 <ravilov> ...
May 05 21:10:27 <ravilov> some weird miscommunication happening here
May 05 21:11:06 <danijoo> I dont get it. ^^
May 05 21:11:43 <danijoo> Anyway, I can prove to have the right to use all the stuff in the app. Now im waiting for their reply after sending it all in
May 05 21:11:50 <danijoo> but you know.. I might never get one :D
May 05 21:12:19 <pfn> since when does google approve updates? I thought it was just malware filtering
May 05 21:12:29 <danijoo> pfn, since beginning of the year
May 05 21:12:41 <pfn> yeah, for malware filtering
May 05 21:12:44 <pfn> no other approval process
May 05 21:12:46 <danijoo> every new app and updates are checked with their copyright infriging filters
May 05 21:13:03 <ravilov> danijoo, admit it, you stole all their stuff
May 05 21:13:16 <danijoo> ravilov, actually, I did :( But they say its ok
May 05 21:13:28 <ravilov> that's not stealing then :p
May 05 21:13:40 <danijoo> Im using the logo for warcraft and some other blizzard entertainment artwork ^^
May 05 21:13:44 <danijoo> I guess thats the reason
May 05 21:13:48 <ravilov> ha!
May 05 21:13:49 <danijoo> but I can only guess
May 05 21:14:10 <ravilov> build a new update without those, upload it, and see what happens :p
May 05 21:14:29 <danijoo> not possible. how would you make a database about a game without using artwork of it :D
May 05 21:15:05 <danijoo> But they explicitly allow to use it. I guess google does not know that though ^^
May 05 21:15:19 <ravilov> lol
May 05 21:15:31 <ravilov> you can always put a generic image that says "image not available" :p
May 05 21:15:39 <g00s> danijoo yeah thats the problem, but i thought there was a process you could go through providing evidence
May 05 21:15:53 <ravilov> I guess he's about to go through that process
May 05 21:16:06 <danijoo> g00s, thats what I did now. I send them links to their guidelines as well as screenshots with red marks at the important points
May 05 21:16:09 <danijoo> now its waiting..
May 05 21:16:26 <danijoo> but I immediatly stopped working on that app until this is solved. You never know... ^^
May 05 21:16:39 <g00s> danijoo links to who's guidelines ?
May 05 21:16:43 <ravilov> make sure you keep track of the time wasted so you can sue them over that later :p
May 05 21:16:50 <danijoo> g00s, this: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/trademarks.html
May 05 21:17:25 <g00s> danijoo oh boy i hope that works
May 05 21:17:28 <danijoo> a lot of blablabla together with "you can use our logos for non commercial purpose under blablabla conditions"
May 05 21:18:18 <danijoo> The think I really dont understand is that they approved the screenshots and app description not long ago.
May 05 21:18:31 <danijoo> and then I change 3 lines of code and this somehow triggers their filters ^^
May 05 21:19:08 <ravilov> maybe they only just now realized their approval was a mistake
May 05 21:19:13 <ravilov> (according to them)
May 05 21:19:27 <danijoo> you mean their alogrithm changed its mind? ^^
May 05 21:19:59 <g00s> lol, what happened here . updated to AS 1.2.1 and the Run menu and Button are greyed out
May 05 21:20:01 <danijoo> "ah now that this app does not throw a Nullponter anymore, I can totally not tolarate that screenshot in the app description!"
May 05 21:20:04 <ravilov> or they changed its mind :p
May 05 21:21:26 <ravilov> g00s, it is the new google incentive to write perfect code the first time around :p
May 05 21:21:52 <danijoo> I also think the part that triggered their copyright scripts are the part where I say "blabla is copyrighted by blizzard entertainment(R)"
May 05 21:21:53 <g00s> ravilov well i wish google good luck at that :D
May 05 21:22:10 <danijoo> kinda ironic
May 05 21:22:33 <g00s> danijoo yeah i remember a few catch-22 situations like that; app got flagged because of keyword spam, but the verbage was required from 3rd party
May 05 21:22:37 <ravilov> will be funny when it turns it's really none of that, danijoo :p
May 05 21:25:04 <Alevsk> Hi, I have a list of elements in Activity A that I fetch from a webservice, when I click a single element I pass the json string of this single element via intents to an Activity B and then I show specific information of the object, I want to know if this is a good practice o do you recomend to do all the parcelleable stuff
May 05 21:25:10 <danijoo> I actually dont expect to get an answer from a real human being
May 05 21:25:53 <danijoo> Alevsk, thats fine. Just be sure your string never exeeds 1 mb in size
May 05 21:26:23 <danijoo> I always do it that way when im to lazy to implement parcelable
May 05 21:26:42 <Alevsk> danijoo, thanks I didnt know about that memory issue
May 05 21:28:12 <danijoo> Alevsk, its a limitation. you cant pass more than 1 mb with bundle
May 05 21:38:49 <Gnjurac> hi
May 05 21:38:55 <Gnjurac> i found some working example
May 05 21:38:56 <Gnjurac> http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/AndroidLocationAPI/article.html
May 05 21:39:34 <Gnjurac> but why does it output long latititude as 2 decimal number isted 22.344534534
May 05 21:40:59 <Gnjurac> and this GPS shit only works outdores
May 05 21:41:11 <Gnjurac> cant get shit in building
May 05 21:41:24 <Gnjurac> is Network more precise
May 05 21:42:22 <Gnjurac> is network 50metar
May 05 21:42:30 <Gnjurac> but gets in building?
May 05 21:50:36 <quinnjn> I'm taking a peek at apache http client stuff; The constructor takes Iterable<? extends NameValuePair>. Does anyone see benefits of this or why wasn't Map<String, String> used?
May 05 21:50:48 <quinnjn> http://hc.apache.org/httpcomponents-client-ga/httpclient/apidocs/org/apache/http/client/entity/UrlEncodedFormEntity.html#UrlEncodedFormEntity(java.lang.Iterable)
May 05 21:53:58 <groxx> quinnjn: probably because NameValuePair can handle e.g. a File for upload
May 05 21:54:46 <groxx> and the it can be streamed from the disk, instead of having to have its entire contents in memory
May 05 21:57:34 <groxx> ugh.  I think I might add `127.0.0.1 vogella.com` to my hosts file :|  like 99%+ of the time it's utterly worthless content for understanding what's happening / why.
May 05 21:58:44 <in_deep_thought> do emulators like genymotion and the android studio emulators return the device specific resolution sizes with getSupportedPreviewSizes and getSupportedPictureSizes?
May 05 21:59:05 <in_deep_thought> or do they take them from the webcam that you are using to represent the camera?
May 05 21:59:55 <livtyler> Hello, I'm getting an error with a nugget package I want to add: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=23699
May 05 22:02:10 <groxx> livtyler: hm.  dunno, you may have more luck with a xamarin / aws room.
May 05 22:02:45 <livtyler> groxx: waited all day, nobody answers
May 05 22:03:08 <groxx> livtyler: stack overflow?  (though it seems to be upgrading or something, last I saw)
May 05 22:03:33 <groxx> livtyler: you might get lucky in here, hopefully some other xamarin users are around.  but it's definitely a minority.
May 05 22:04:09 <livtyler> groxx: are you experienced with xamarin? we need some help here, we are able to pay if necessary
May 05 22:04:19 <groxx> nope :|
May 05 22:04:54 <livtyler> groxx: gee, we are experiencing the learning curve issues
May 05 22:07:18 <groxx> I'm seeing some results when I google that look like they might be related.  xml problems, missing files, etc with nuget.  I'd probably start trying those, and/or see if there's a way to get the full error message (maybe from the command line?) because that's not a very useful error dialog :|
May 05 22:08:46 <Gnjurac> did anyone test celurar network location precision
May 05 22:08:55 <Gnjurac> and i still dont get how thet works
May 05 22:09:14 <Gnjurac> does my phone trace distance from 3 cell towers or waht?
May 05 22:12:15 <icedp> Gnjurac: can be also from 1 cell tower or 2 or 10
May 05 22:12:22 <icedp> Gnjurac: as well as wi-fi networks
May 05 22:12:29 <Gnjurac> nah
May 05 22:12:33 <Gnjurac> wifi networks
May 05 22:12:36 <Gnjurac> imposible
May 05 22:12:41 <Gnjurac> meyeb only in amerika
May 05 22:12:51 <Gnjurac> how can he get location from wifi
May 05 22:13:02 <ravilov> please don't use enter as a substitute for interpunction
May 05 22:13:43 <Gnjurac> but anywye network gets from towers calculates distace or does it req network provider to sent it?
May 05 22:13:56 <Gnjurac> pusi kurac
May 05 22:14:48 <sonOfRa> getting location from wifi is easy
May 05 22:14:58 <sonOfRa> It works best in streets that have been mapped by google streetview
May 05 22:15:07 <Mavrik> Gnjurac, swearing will get you banned pretty quickly. Please don't do it.
May 05 22:15:10 <sonOfRa> The cars have GPS, and they map the ESSIDs to wifi
May 05 22:15:20 <sonOfRa> err, to gps locations
May 05 22:15:28 <Mavrik> mhm, Google Maps app is collecting automapping data as well
May 05 22:15:29 <Gnjurac> oh
May 05 22:15:33 <sonOfRa> so when you're in range of several wifi's, it is easy to calculate
May 05 22:15:34 <Gnjurac> dident know thet about wifi
May 05 22:15:38 <lasserix> hey can anyone copy and paste this into their java editor (you need gson library ) and see if it actually shows no error?
May 05 22:15:41 <Gnjurac> anywye thet works only on maped
May 05 22:15:42 <Gnjurac> ones
May 05 22:15:47 <lasserix> everything up to  .where works,
May 05 22:15:53 <icedp> also IIRC phones just sent with both gps and wi-fi enables just sent this info
May 05 22:16:01 <icedp> to Google
May 05 22:16:09 <sonOfRa> not necessarily. I don't know if this happens, but if phones get accurate GPS/GLONASS locations, they can also map it to local wifis
May 05 22:16:30 <Gnjurac> ok but cellurar does it req network to allow or it simiple calculates on phone
May 05 22:17:10 <icedp> it just passively listens to cell tower IDs
May 05 22:17:16 <Gnjurac> ok
May 05 22:17:17 <Gnjurac> ty
May 05 22:17:24 <Mavrik> sonOfRa, as I said, Google Maps app service was/is collecting that data
May 05 22:17:32 <sonOfRa> Ah, yes
May 05 22:17:33 <Mavrik> You agree to it with their ToS.
May 05 22:17:53 <Gnjurac> will try with cell cuz GPS sux i have no signal in my building and i put to 3000, 10
May 05 22:18:11 <Gnjurac> i desagree
May 05 22:18:14 <Gnjurac> it asked
May 05 22:18:46 <Gnjurac> and i disagree but they make so you have to alwes desagry when you turn your location
May 05 22:19:11 <Gnjurac> and you can only click remmeber the answer if you agree
May 05 22:19:14 <s73v3r> Gnjurac: It bases it on signal strength to several towers with known locations. The system istelf is going to give you location
May 05 22:19:20 <Gnjurac> f bastards forcing you to agree
May 05 22:19:50 <s73v3r> but if you’re indoors, GPS might not work so well for you, as it requires you to be able to see the satellites
May 05 22:20:16 <Gnjurac> s73v3r:  but how does my phone know the Location of Towers?
May 05 22:20:40 <s73v3r> not entirely sure. but it’s not something you have to care about
May 05 22:20:47 <Gnjurac> tower has to give it his location?
May 05 22:21:09 <s73v3r> don’t know; as I said before, the system handles all that for you
May 05 22:21:26 <Gnjurac> ye i do cuz its high posibily that that option is disabled in my country
May 05 22:21:27 <Mavrik> It's provided by Google servers which have cell tower ID -> coordinates mapping
May 05 22:21:35 <Mavrik> that location will not work without a working data connection.
May 05 22:21:36 <Gnjurac> anywey will test
May 05 22:21:38 <Mavrik> Gnjurac, it's not.
May 05 22:21:39 <icedp> Gnjurac: no, you'd been explained that. the same way as it gets location for wi-fi spots
May 05 22:22:01 <Gnjurac> oh so i have to have internet
May 05 22:22:08 <Gnjurac> to get location of towers
May 05 22:22:22 <Gnjurac> and my phone calcs distance
May 05 22:22:48 <Gnjurac> f thets dumb it all ends up give CIA NSA GOOGLE KGB BIA your info
May 05 22:22:50 <Gnjurac> ahhahah
May 05 22:23:14 <ravilov> I don't think most of this has anything to do with android development
May 05 22:23:23 <Gnjurac> i think Android SuX OP
May 05 22:23:31 <adq> -________-
May 05 22:23:43 <ravilov> I think you're spamming the channel
May 05 22:23:44 <s73v3r> then don’t work on android stuff
May 05 22:23:56 <Gnjurac> i would roor phone if i have 1 and delte have stuff
May 05 22:24:13 <adq> /ignore Gnjurac
May 05 22:24:13 <Gnjurac> *half
May 05 22:24:17 <s73v3r> however, iOS and WindowsPhone work on exactly the same system
May 05 22:24:31 <Gnjurac> just seying
May 05 22:24:34 <Gnjurac> its true
May 05 22:24:40 <ravilov> nobody cares
May 05 22:24:45 <Gnjurac> adq: /ignore adq
May 05 22:25:01 <Gnjurac> ma duvaj ga
May 05 22:25:28 <Gnjurac> klasicne pickice
May 05 22:25:29 <Gnjurac> aj cao
May 05 22:25:43 <ravilov> finally
May 05 22:26:12 <s73v3r> he’ll be back
May 05 22:26:14 <s73v3r> sadly
May 05 22:26:38 <g00s> lol i put him on ignore a few days ago
May 05 22:26:43 <ravilov> surely ops will intervene if necessary :p
May 05 22:26:54 <ravilov> g00s, but you're missing all the fun!
May 05 22:26:56 <ravilov> not really
May 05 22:27:13 <g00s> not really :)
May 05 22:27:17 <Mavrik> Since when are there ops here
May 05 22:27:18 <Mavrik> :)
May 05 22:27:30 <g00s> oh no ops?
May 05 22:27:34 * g00s strangles ravioli
May 05 22:27:47 <ravilov> that's not how you eat them, dummy
May 05 22:28:27 <g00s> so whats the story with activatedBackgroundIndicator and appcompat
May 05 22:28:45 <ravilov> see, there's a lot of anger coming out of you right now. you should switch to gingerbread, it's amazinig calming!
May 05 22:28:48 * ravilov hides
May 05 22:28:59 <g00s> aer we supposed to be using another attribute in appCompat that emulates that on material ?
May 05 22:30:46 <danijoo> -_- answer from google
May 05 22:30:57 <danijoo> now I must contact blizzard zzZZ
May 05 22:31:13 <ravilov> ah so it is indeed because of that stuff
May 05 22:31:16 <g00s> danijoo ok, well thats better than auto-kill
May 05 22:31:17 <danijoo> yep
May 05 22:31:33 <ravilov> why must you contact them if their ToS clearly states you can use that stuff?
May 05 22:32:05 <danijoo> seems like for google a free application still count as commercial available :)
May 05 22:32:29 <g00s> dont think commercial/free has anything to do with it danijoo
May 05 22:32:40 <danijoo> g00s, thats what they said
May 05 22:33:10 <ravilov> I guess if the app is free but you still make money through ads, it could still be seen as iffy
May 05 22:33:21 <s73v3r> Just because an app isn’t charged for, doesn’t mean it’s not commercial
May 05 22:33:23 <danijoo> bla bla bla... their terms state that they only grad use for noncommercial use. If you are authorized, please attach accepted proof of permission
May 05 22:33:46 <danijoo> ravilov, yeah i guess since there are dozens of sites with the same content and ads, this should be fine
May 05 22:33:47 <s73v3r> ads would definitely make something commercial
May 05 22:33:54 <danijoo> but I now need blizzard to explicitly say that
May 05 22:33:58 <danijoo> so I can quote them
May 05 22:34:46 <ravilov> eh, just make up some @blizzard.com email with quoted text that says "yah he's cool with us, signed CEO Blizzard Entertainment" :p
May 05 22:35:00 <ravilov> and call it proof
May 05 22:35:09 <danijoo> ravilov, the problem is this:  If you are authorized to utilize this content, please attach verifiable and accepted proof of permission
May 05 22:35:12 <g00s> i'm sure its more Kafka-esque than that :D
May 05 22:35:19 <danijoo> the question is: whtat is verifiable
May 05 22:35:46 <ravilov> I guess something they can use to contact blizzard themselves and verify your claim?
May 05 22:35:53 <ravilov> if they choose to do so, not saying they will
May 05 22:35:54 <danijoo> Here in germany, a printed email woudnt count verifiable
May 05 22:36:32 <danijoo> But I give it a shot and contact them.
May 05 22:36:36 <danijoo> all they can say is no :)
May 05 22:36:50 <ravilov> what, you mean they can't say yes??
May 05 22:36:54 <danijoo> interesstingly they still didnt ban the app
May 05 22:37:03 <user_> Hello everyone!
May 05 22:37:08 <danijoo> its still available, im just not allow to publish my bugfix xD
May 05 22:37:09 <ravilov> well it's in "purgatory" now, danijoo :p
May 05 22:37:38 <ravilov> needs to be purged of malicious copyright infringements
May 05 22:38:26 <user_> Guys, i'm trying to get wifi state via broadcast. Here is my attempt: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6e364c81b8c797789b72    My problem is even when i disable wifi it giving me true
May 05 22:38:41 <danijoo> ravilov, that would mean removing the whole app :D
May 05 22:39:09 <ravilov> here's a dev question, suppose I have an android.graphics.Path that contains a curve consisting of many points, can I now query it to tell me its current coords?
May 05 22:39:30 <g00s> on GB ?
May 05 22:39:35 <danijoo> user_,  try isConnected() instead of isAvailable()
May 05 22:39:42 <ravilov> like if I .lineTo(x, y) it will draw a line from the current coords to (x,y), can I ask it to give me those startup coords?
May 05 22:39:44 <danijoo> or even better isConnectedorConnecting)(
May 05 22:40:03 <g00s> ravilov you may as well be using another OS by now
May 05 22:40:14 <g00s> who knows what GB does :D
May 05 22:40:46 <ravilov> not helping, g00s... this is exactly the same across all android releases y'know
May 05 22:41:21 <g00s> the only thing that is the same across all android version is : bugs
May 05 22:43:41 <ravilov> bleh, SO suggests keeping a separate ArrayList<Point> and doing lookups with that
May 05 22:43:41 <danijoo> g00s, but only the fact that there are bugs. The bugs change from version to version. Would be too easy if every version had the same
May 05 22:44:10 <ravilov> which is true for just about any piece of software
May 05 22:44:14 <ravilov> no software is free of bugs
May 05 22:44:16 <ravilov> so...
May 05 22:44:17 <adq> ravilov, nope ravilov
May 05 22:44:25 <danijoo> ravilov, My hello world app is :)
May 05 22:44:25 <adq> you have to keep track of coordinate you want to keep track
May 05 22:44:41 <ravilov> adq, I just want the last one
May 05 22:44:45 <adq> :p
May 05 22:45:40 <ravilov> danijoo, wait til you see my NOP app :p
May 05 22:46:25 <g00s> one bug they just fixed in 5.0 was you can use theme attributes in drawables now, like selectors
May 05 22:46:49 <g00s> which makes life /so much easier/
May 05 22:47:08 <ravilov> that doesn't sound like a bug
May 05 22:47:11 <ravilov> more like a new feature
May 05 22:47:32 <g00s> well, romainguy thought it was possible and then surprised it wasn't
May 05 22:47:36 <g00s> grey area
May 05 22:49:18 <ravilov> eh, I think it should be possible to have LinearViews with rounded corners without having to introduce strange XML drawables
May 05 22:49:22 <ravilov> turns out it isn't
May 05 22:49:24 <ravilov> so...
May 05 22:53:26 <g00s> groxx mah bummer, that FrameLayout.setForegrounTine stuff si API 21
May 05 22:53:33 <lasserix> there is noting worse than when you're like a commit has been lost, surely, somewhere,it was commited at some point but wtf
May 05 22:53:35 <g00s> *setForegroundTint
May 05 22:53:54 <danijoo> lasserix, how? ^^
May 05 22:54:09 <lasserix> danjioo dont know really
May 05 22:54:23 <lasserix> we have a kinda fucked policy were one issue = one branch (for pull requests)
May 05 22:54:39 <lasserix> but because of the way the work point metrics works out you can't always devote one branch to one issue
May 05 22:54:53 <lasserix> so sometimes i think some changes get on the wrong branch and get lost or whatever idk
May 05 22:55:04 <lasserix> for instance i know last week i debounced this viewpager swipping
May 05 22:55:10 <lasserix> but the code, alas, is no longer here
May 05 22:55:19 <danijoo> what a mess xD
May 05 22:55:33 <danijoo> the amount of branches must be huge.
May 05 22:55:58 <ravilov> like a tree :p
May 05 22:55:59 <lasserix> well its fucking jiras' fault, subtasks can't be assigned work points, if you could just do that it'd be easy, then one issue could be one branch could cover all the things
May 05 22:56:08 <groxx> g00s: what would that do?  a color overlay?
May 05 22:56:14 <groxx> or, tint the foreground drawable maybe?
May 05 22:56:16 <lasserix> but like a branch for the activity, a branch for the adapter, a branch for making the adapter rows swippable
May 05 22:56:19 <g00s> groxx oh didn't you tell me about it ?
May 05 22:56:28 <groxx> there's setForegroundDrawable
May 05 22:56:33 <groxx> or similar
May 05 22:56:35 <ravilov> lasserix, how does anyone ever find their way through al lthis?
May 05 22:56:38 <lasserix> groxx: onPredraw or whatever
May 05 22:56:39 <ravilov> all*
May 05 22:57:11 <lasserix> ravilov im not sure but the worst part it is im the only android developer so it essentially makes no sense for me sense no one even reviews me code
May 05 22:57:24 <lasserix> i do the PR anyway ssince you can inspect them retroactively just in case, but still
May 05 22:57:27 <lasserix> it is a pain
May 05 22:57:35 <lasserix> groxx: can't you do that cal...
May 05 22:57:40 <lasserix> onPreDraw or something
May 05 22:57:51 <lasserix> then just draw a rect with an opacity over your framelayout
May 05 22:58:19 <ravilov> so the company policy on code commits is enforced for the benefit of all the devs involved, all... one of them
May 05 22:58:22 <ravilov> lol
May 05 22:58:43 <lasserix> *disptatch draw
May 05 22:59:10 <groxx> yeah, that would just be override onDraw, call super, call canvas.drawRect
May 05 22:59:51 <lasserix> well its for all the other times, they use JIRA integrated with bit bucket so you can track issues and stuff, but the real problem is there is no set way to set up the hierarchy of issues so i have been trying to make it seem coherent but its just a pain then everyone once and a while i lose something
May 05 22:59:55 <lasserix> oh maybe i staashed it!
May 05 22:59:56 <s73v3r> is there a built-in concrete implementation of FragmentStatePagerAdapter?
May 05 23:00:03 <lasserix> no
May 05 23:00:10 <lasserix> yes
May 05 23:00:12 <lasserix> actualy
May 05 23:00:17 <lasserix> buti tsa hitrd party library
May 05 23:00:18 <groxx> ravilov: you might be able to use the native Path stuff directly, to get that info: http://androidxref.com/5.1.0_r1/xref/external/chromium_org/third_party/skia/src/core/
May 05 23:00:42 <groxx> ravilov: SkPath.cpp / SkPathRef.cpp / etc.
May 05 23:00:46 <ravilov> oh dear, not sure I want to go that deep
May 05 23:00:52 <groxx> Path.java delegates everything to that.
May 05 23:00:55 <ravilov> seems easier to just keep track of the last point myself
May 05 23:00:59 <groxx> probably :)
May 05 23:01:28 <ravilov> thanks anyway :)
May 05 23:01:52 <ravilov> (with my luck all the useful calls will be marked as non-public anyway :p )
May 05 23:02:43 <lasserix> i wonder if from too much caffiene ahem you could ward off a heart attack by going into the coding zone
May 05 23:03:10 <lasserix> now that they bought a 1k+ coffee machine, guess i'll find out soon enough :)
May 05 23:03:16 <groxx> I'm gonna say yes
May 05 23:03:56 <ravilov> "how expensive does your coffee machine need to be to kill you"
May 05 23:03:56 <ravilov> :p
May 05 23:03:56 <drose379> Anyone know why ArrayAdapter getView() method calls duplicates
May 05 23:04:15 <lasserix> i like the new inline debugger info in the editor in AS that's pretty badass
May 05 23:04:20 <drose379> Like if I have 2 items in the List, and I Log 'position' whenver getView is called
May 05 23:04:23 <drose379> I get
May 05 23:04:24 <drose379> 0
May 05 23:04:24 <drose379> 1
May 05 23:04:25 <drose379> 0
May 05 23:04:25 <drose379> 1
May 05 23:04:29 <drose379> I should just get 0
May 05 23:04:30 <drose379> 1
May 05 23:04:47 <lasserix> post your code your question is unclear
May 05 23:04:52 <groxx> lasserix: also http://www.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70140760
May 05 23:05:03 <drose379> lasserix you talking to me?
May 05 23:05:23 <lasserix> groxx: dont have netflxi account at work what's that or can i sue that id later?
May 05 23:05:24 <lasserix> drose yes
May 05 23:05:34 <groxx> (futurama's Three Hundred Big Boys episode, for non-netflixers)
May 05 23:05:42 <drose379> Basically I am passing 2 items in a List to an ArrayAdapter
May 05 23:05:53 <drose379> the getView function is called twice, once for each item in the list
May 05 23:05:59 <lasserix> ahahahahaha
May 05 23:06:03 <lasserix> groxx yeah percisely
May 05 23:06:05 <drose379> for some reason, it is being called 4 times
May 05 23:06:11 <lasserix> that is one of my favorite episodes
May 05 23:06:18 <drose379> When I log the position param being passed to getView()
May 05 23:06:22 <drose379> I get 0,1,0,1
May 05 23:06:26 <drose379> When I should get 0,1
May 05 23:06:41 <lasserix> whoever wrote that episode clearly had some personal expierence, because with a touch of mind dissolving, that is quite literally what that trance state of mind is like
May 05 23:07:21 <lasserix> drose post your code you are probably adding things twice
May 05 23:07:28 <lasserix> or turn your list into a hashset
May 05 23:07:45 <drose379> One sec lasserix
May 05 23:08:24 <drose379> lasserix heres my adapter http://pastie.org/private/ull0ypnytlvdmmvsekrkeq
May 05 23:09:21 <adq> drose379, it's because it logs the position of the visible views (row), when you move your listview
May 05 23:09:40 <drose379> so if two are visibile, I will get 0 and 1
May 05 23:09:55 <drose379> So for two items,  getView gets called 4 times?
May 05 23:10:08 <adq> add more items, and you will notice it only displays the visible ones, and maybe few above and below (for cache, iirc)
May 05 23:10:23 <adq> i don't know any rules for the number of times being called
May 05 23:10:29 <lasserix> drose you should either think of using picasso/glide or an async imageview (volley has one i think)
May 05 23:10:58 <lasserix> drose depends on how you add them - you didn't show that code
May 05 23:11:18 <lasserix> also you are extending arrayadapter, grow up and extend base adapter
May 05 23:11:24 <drose379> How come?
May 05 23:11:26 <drose379> Whats the dif
May 05 23:11:38 <lasserix> because the fact you want to overload getview is what base adapter is for
May 05 23:11:47 <drose379> overload?
May 05 23:11:54 <lasserix> arrayadapter is a simplified wrapper for when you only need like one line of text
May 05 23:12:01 <lasserix> in which case you dont neet to call getview
May 05 23:12:21 <adq> drose379, you see the lines with "if (v == null) {", it's precisely because getview will probably called many times (more than once)
May 05 23:12:29 <adq> so it avoid inflating each time it's being called
May 05 23:12:30 <lasserix> but my guess is you are doing like adapter/list.additem(one) and getView gets called once, then you do (additem(two) and it gets called twice more or something
May 05 23:12:58 <drose379> My list has a size of 2
May 05 23:13:25 <user_> Why my boradcast reciever shows me multiple times the same toast? What could be?
May 05 23:14:23 <drose379> lasserix what would be the advantage of using a BaseAdpater
May 05 23:16:09 <lasserix> drose379: voila http://pastie.org/10163741
May 05 23:16:17 <lasserix> you are much more flexible
May 05 23:16:27 <lasserix> now you can call notifyDataSetChanged after you change lessons
May 05 23:16:39 <groxx> and there's less hidden behavior this way
May 05 23:16:41 <lasserix> you can return multiple row types
May 05 23:16:51 <lasserix> and you'll actually understand how it works
May 05 23:17:01 <lasserix> instead of abusing a baby list adapter
May 05 23:17:12 <lasserix> besides i just made all the changes you need
May 05 23:17:40 <lasserix> there's more to overload if you want to do like multiple view types and stuff, but you cando that on your own
May 05 23:17:59 <drose379> Ok, how come you removed the int layout from the construct?
May 05 23:18:08 <lasserix> you dont need it
May 05 23:18:14 <lasserix> you are responsile for inflating it in getview
May 05 23:18:16 <drose379> you dont need the super()?
May 05 23:18:19 <lasserix> no
May 05 23:18:27 <lasserix> it is not a wrapper anymore
May 05 23:18:28 <drose379> How come arrayAdapter needs it
May 05 23:18:35 <drose379> Oh, cause its a wrapper fro Base
May 05 23:18:39 <lasserix> because it auto inflates layouts and looks up ids for you
May 05 23:18:39 <drose379> for*
May 05 23:18:42 <groxx> because array adapter has a bunch of other code that assumes you're not doing anything complex
May 05 23:18:50 <groxx> once you are, it gets in the way.
May 05 23:19:06 <lasserix> and if you notice how simple that change was
May 05 23:19:14 <lasserix> now you have full control and dont get constrained by DI
May 05 23:19:15 <groxx> which usually happens like 5 minutes after starting to use ArrayAdapter, in my experience
May 05 23:19:20 <drose379> Could this be why my getView is logging 4 numbers when I have 2 items in the list
May 05 23:19:38 <lasserix> probably
May 05 23:19:42 <groxx> might be.  not sure, I haven't read arrayadapter lately
May 05 23:19:45 <lasserix> you didn't show HOW you added
May 05 23:19:57 <lasserix> arrayadapters are simple you do something like list.add(...) list.remove()
May 05 23:19:59 <drose379> Added to the List that im passing
May 05 23:20:03 <drose379> ?
May 05 23:20:25 <lasserix> right and who knows how many times that ends up calling getview for whatever reason
May 05 23:20:45 <drose379> Weird, and it makes it so I cant use the position property being passed to getview
May 05 23:20:51 <drose379> cause itll be used four times
May 05 23:20:51 <lasserix> but i can tell you know, if you changed lessons, and simply call notifyDataSetChanged, it'll only call it the minimum number of times to refresh the list
May 05 23:21:07 <drose379> brb
May 05 23:21:14 <lasserix> drose379: its proabbly because you added duplicates somehow
May 05 23:21:30 <groxx> or maybe triggered notifyDataSetChanged more than onc
May 05 23:22:45 <drose379> Im gonna change to baseadapter
May 05 23:24:23 <lasserix> drose a nice thing to do is add somethin methods to modify your list and then call notifydatasetchanged within your adapter
May 05 23:24:38 <lasserix> also make sure you look up the lazy image async class
May 05 23:24:57 <lasserix> since it seems you are going to have to download images from the internet and will need to do that lazily
May 05 23:25:08 <lasserix> or just use picasso
May 05 23:26:38 <drose379> whats notifydatasetchanged?
May 05 23:26:42 <drose379> never used that before
May 05 23:27:45 <groxx> it tells the adapter that the data has changed, and it'll recreate the views.
May 05 23:29:39 <pfn> drose379, you should probably do those udacity and coursera courses on android development
May 05 23:29:54 <drose379> Ok pfn
May 05 23:30:28 <lasserix> drose379: notice how you have like list.addItem list.removeItem etc
May 05 23:30:44 <drose379> Yes I do
May 05 23:30:45 <drose379> why?
May 05 23:30:49 <lasserix> that's becasue the <TYPE> of the adapter was implictly defining the dataset you were using as your data structure list
May 05 23:30:58 <lasserix> now that you use base adapter, you can use whatever data structure list you want
May 05 23:31:13 <lasserix> anytime that changes, all you have to do is call notifydatasetchanged on the adapter
May 05 23:31:19 <lasserix> and it'll cause the listview to refresh
May 05 23:31:20 <drose379> So can I still use List<JSONOBject> ?
May 05 23:31:39 <lasserix> or you can use gson to turn those jsonobjects into real objects
May 05 23:31:44 <lasserix> or you can use a combinationof both
May 05 23:31:50 <drose379> ohhh wats gson
May 05 23:31:50 <lasserix> or whatever you want really it doesn't matter
May 05 23:32:04 <drose379> Well, its easy to get items out of a JSONOBject, i could just leave it alone
May 05 23:32:11 <lasserix> jackson's famous singing brother
May 05 23:32:50 <lasserix> drose, http://pastebin.com/meUZENWR
May 05 23:32:53 <drose379> lasserix how come you added ArrayList<JSONObject> instead of List<JSONObject>
May 05 23:33:01 <lasserix> with that one line, i can turn any JSON string data into a real java object
May 05 23:33:09 <lasserix> habit
May 05 23:33:15 <lasserix> doens't matter
May 05 23:33:20 <lasserix> could be a hashset
May 05 23:33:25 <drose379> could be
May 05 23:33:28 <lasserix> could be hashmap and you only iterate over the keys
May 05 23:33:31 <drose379> thanks for the pastebin by the way, Ill check it out
May 05 23:33:39 <drose379> Thanks for all the help
May 05 23:33:43 <lasserix> i was just giving you an idea of how useful gson is
May 05 23:33:48 <drose379> Right
May 05 23:34:00 <lasserix> you can take a json string and without any iterating over it, instantly turn it into a real java object
May 05 23:34:08 <drose379> Very useful
May 05 23:35:25 <drose379> thanks again lasserix
May 05 23:39:57 <drose379> lasserix its still calling 0 1 0 1
May 05 23:40:41 <drose379> I need to use the position to pull the info from the JSONObject, so it needs to be corrext
May 05 23:41:53 <drose379> I guess this behavior is normal
May 05 23:42:06 <drose379> Just dont want to make 4 image requests if I only have to make 2
May 05 23:45:09 <drose379> solved lasserix
May 05 23:46:39 <icedp> drose379: do your ListView has layout_height="wrap_content"?
May 05 23:46:52 <drose379> Yes icedp
May 05 23:47:04 <drose379> why?
May 05 23:47:05 <icedp> drose379: that's why it called multiple times, however it's not the issue
May 05 23:47:20 <drose379> Why does that make it call multiple times?
May 05 23:47:22 <icedp> when you will scroll the items it will be called a lot of times
May 05 23:47:36 <icedp> you should cache your image. use Picasso or analogues
May 05 23:47:49 <drose379> so I need to use the position to get info (not just an image) from a List
May 05 23:47:53 <icedp> drose379: Android layout measurement stuff
May 05 23:48:07 <drose379> if the getView gets called 5 times when there are only 2 items
May 05 23:48:10 <drose379> Wont that cause issues
May 05 23:49:03 <icedp> if will be called as list scrolls
May 05 23:49:37 <drose379> Ok
May 05 23:49:39 <drose379> so I guess its fine
May 05 23:49:43 <icedp> if you scroll the list 100 times - it will be called at least 100 times
May 05 23:50:11 <drose379> but the getView is being called 4 times lets say...
May 05 23:50:18 <drose379> and only 2 views are showing up
May 05 23:50:20 <drose379> why is that
May 05 23:54:04 <icedp> drose379: probably the parent of listview want to know it's height, so it asks listview, listview asks heights of its children (so it called getView)
May 05 23:54:40 <icedp> then the parent sets the height of the listview - could be less then it wanted
May 05 23:54:59 <drose379> ok so sometimes listview is called only to get certain info, and not always to return a view
May 05 23:55:32 <icedp> yes, and also it calls whenever the view is needed - it doesn't cache views
May 05 23:55:54 <icedp> you should cache information and bind it to view whenever getView is called
May 05 23:58:08 <ravilov> anybody here from Singapore? http://gizmodo.com/singapores-prime-minister-has-published-his-own-c-sud-1702226683
May 06 00:06:53 <JesusFreke> sudoku's a fun problem. that was my first introduction to knuth's algorithm x
May 06 00:07:04 <JesusFreke> dancing links ftw
May 06 00:12:17 <barbs> I love the first comment down the bottom
May 06 00:12:18 <barbs> “I ain’t got no ding dang email.” - US Senators
May 06 00:12:43 <g00s> barbs they are too busy throwing snowballs
May 06 00:13:08 <barbs> :D
May 06 00:13:32 <g00s> barbs do you know what i'm referring too ? XD
May 06 00:14:02 <barbs> actually, no. I just like the image of US senators throwing snowballs at each other :P
May 06 00:14:58 <g00s> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/02/26/inhofe_throws_a_snowball_on_senate_floor_to_disprove_global_warming_video.html
May 06 00:16:39 <barbs> LOL
May 06 00:16:50 <barbs> "Mr President, catch this...."
May 06 00:16:51 <barbs> so awkward
May 06 00:17:58 <g00s> he's the dumbass that heads the Senate climate committee
May 06 00:18:25 <g00s> totally owned by fossil fuel
May 06 00:30:18 <MoshDev> is it true that activities in most cases will be destroyed if they go to background, or screen off?
May 06 00:31:16 <drose379> guys im trying to get JSONObject to HashMap
May 06 00:31:32 <mattblang_> any MVPers here?
May 06 00:31:48 <drose379> gson?
May 06 00:33:16 <mattblang_> drose379 yeah
May 06 00:33:43 <drose379> Theres no documentation for gson hmm
May 06 00:34:57 <groxx> MoshDev: in general they do not, but they can.  I don't believe I've ever seen them get destroyed without "don't keep activities" on, but the documentation is pretty explicit that it's allowed.  maybe it does on smaller devices.
May 06 00:35:43 <MoshDev> so also for you its not common, because also myself didn't face this before
May 06 00:38:21 <g00s> MoshDev it used to be common
May 06 00:38:40 <g00s> for example, on froyo, start up web browser - bang
May 06 00:38:55 <groxx> well, that would be your process dying in the background, yeah?
May 06 00:39:15 <groxx> that's different.  activities aren't actually destroyed then (onDestroy never happens).
May 06 00:39:37 <g00s> oh yeah sorry
May 06 00:40:05 <groxx> I haven't done enough poking at gingerbread/froyo lifecycles here though - it's entirely possible it happens in older devices and I just haven't seen it.
May 06 00:40:21 <groxx> it would make more sense as you get older / cheaper / smaller.  or maybe kitkat's memory-minimizing stuff does.
May 06 00:40:47 <g00s> OEMs tune these things differently, was just HTC made a change wich kicked out things pretty agressively
May 06 00:43:06 <groxx> yeah.  I'd be interested if you've actually seen it happen though - outside "don't keep activities" I'm currently at "never".
May 06 00:43:14 <groxx> without logging in production, that is.
May 06 00:43:43 <groxx> and we have some seriously crappy devices that i test on :)
May 06 00:43:57 <g00s> i think its best to assume, it can happen
May 06 00:44:08 <groxx> definitely.  and it may start in the future.
May 06 00:47:48 <ThomQ> Hi all, quick question: How do I get a ref to the instance of the parent (main) activity, so that I can acces it from within a fragment?
May 06 00:48:26 <ManyouRisms> getActivity() should do it
May 06 00:48:45 <ManyouRisms> if I understand what you're asking
May 06 00:49:17 <ThomQ> I want to pass something to a method in the main class. If I use Main.method(); I get the static vs non static error
May 06 00:49:46 <ThomQ> Apperently fragments are static?
May 06 00:49:50 <drose379> No
May 06 00:49:55 <drose379> You need to have a static method
May 06 00:50:08 <ThomQ> Why?
May 06 00:50:11 <drose379> Becuase you dont want to create a new instance of the Activity youre trying to communicate with
May 06 00:50:18 <ThomQ> Can i just acces the method if i have the instance of the activity?
May 06 00:50:20 <drose379> A better way would be to use a callback interface
May 06 00:50:40 <ThomQ> yeah i was trying to avoid using those honestly
May 06 00:50:56 <drose379> Callbacks? Why?
May 06 00:51:08 <ThomQ> It brings me to my first question: how do I get a ref to the instance of the main activity, so that I can acces those methods
May 06 00:51:09 <ManyouRisms> It's the android-recommended method
May 06 00:51:23 <drose379> You dont
May 06 00:51:32 <drose379> I mean you could, but its hacky
May 06 00:51:47 <ThomQ> why not? I mean, there´s an instance of the activty created at start, right?
May 06 00:51:49 <drose379> Better (and easier/makes sense) to use a callback interface
May 06 00:52:13 <drose379> Thats just context, you cant access methods using that
May 06 00:53:08 <ThomQ> yeah, but Why? Dont mean to offend, but if you have the ref to something, you Should be able to acces it, no matter if its from a static or non static location, right?
May 06 00:53:24 <ThomQ> im just trying to get my head around it
May 06 00:53:42 <drose379> Sure thing, are you looking at the onCreate(activity)
May 06 00:53:43 <drose379> ?
May 06 00:53:56 <drose379> or onAttach(activity) I mean
May 06 00:54:29 <ThomQ> my parent activity doesnt have that function
May 06 00:54:49 <ThomQ> or do you mean in the fragment? (duh)
May 06 00:54:56 <drose379> Yeah I mean in the fragment
May 06 00:55:05 <ThomQ> yeah i see that, it passes an activity, is that the ref?
May 06 00:55:09 <drose379> Ok, so do you know what Casting is?
May 06 00:55:45 <ThomQ> yes I do
May 06 00:55:48 <drose379> Ok
May 06 00:55:54 <drose379> So whats your parent Activity called?
May 06 00:56:00 <ThomQ> Main
May 06 00:56:24 <drose379> Ok, so lets try to use that activity reference being passed in and cast it to MainActivity
May 06 00:56:31 <drose379> Would you know how to write that line of code?
May 06 00:57:08 <ThomQ> Ahhh k, yeah i got it. Im getting no errors, so lets see if runs well
May 06 00:57:09 <ThomQ> thanks dude
May 06 00:57:25 <drose379> No prob, I've actually never tried that before, so let me know if it works
May 06 00:57:27 <ThomQ> Why does android discourage using that btw?
May 06 00:57:41 <drose379> Honestly, I'm not sure, but I do know that callbacks work well
May 06 00:57:59 <drose379> Plus, we dont even know if this works yet, did you test it out?
May 06 01:00:23 <ThomQ> Yes sir, it does. Thanks :)
May 06 01:00:41 <drose379> Sure thing, good luck
May 06 01:00:59 <ThomQ> Yeah, i just find All those interfaces in my main activity a bit sloppy. I already got a bunch, I mainly use them with AsyncTasks
May 06 01:01:14 <ThomQ> Thanks, but im done :) This was the final little thing for my current build
May 06 01:01:21 <drose379> What you building/
May 06 01:01:23 <drose379> ?*
May 06 01:01:46 <ThomQ> New update for our app WhatsOpenNow
May 06 01:01:58 <drose379> Whats it do?
May 06 01:02:02 <ThomQ> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qstudios.whatsopennow
May 06 01:02:26 <drose379> thats your app?
May 06 01:02:30 <ThomQ> yes sir
May 06 01:02:44 <drose379> sweet dude
May 06 01:02:56 <drose379> how long you been a developer?
May 06 01:03:17 <ThomQ> thanks :) We got a booth at Collision in Vegas tomorrow, this will be the Convention Update as it were
May 06 01:03:35 <ThomQ> For android about a year and a half, with a year hiatus in between
May 06 01:04:02 <drose379> Sweet, good luck tomorrow, you got any other stuff out?
May 06 01:06:16 <ThomQ> not app-wise, nothing current at least. Spend the last two months making this: http://www.version01.org/Poco/index.php clothing configurator for a Dutch company that makes clothing for restaurants and such
May 06 01:06:33 <drose379> you do freelance work?
May 06 01:06:42 <Mattx> Hey guys, I've an EditText with ime option ACTION_SEND. when the user press SEND I want the keyboard to remain open/visible. how do you do this?
May 06 01:06:49 <ThomQ> Yes we do
May 06 01:07:04 <drose379> You part of a team?
May 06 01:07:08 <Mattx> it keeps hidding, even after returning true in the action listener
May 06 01:08:25 <ThomQ> Yes, it´s me and the designer. He makes the 2D artwork and general designs. I do all the coding and 3D artwork
May 06 01:08:42 <drose379> Very cool, how long you been in the business?
May 06 01:08:47 <ThomQ> he´s in Vegas right now, im at home programming.. :(
May 06 01:09:10 <drose379> itll pay off
May 06 01:09:11 <Mattx> any idea people?
May 06 01:09:23 <drose379> I know theres a way to do that Mattx
May 06 01:09:26 <ThomQ> Well, i´ve been making Websites since around 2008/2009. Since then I started working on apps, either mobile or web, and a little bit in game design
May 06 01:09:29 <drose379> Im sure you could find it with some google searching
May 06 01:09:43 <drose379> Cool, how old are you?
May 06 01:09:46 <drose379> If you dont mind me asking
May 06 01:09:48 <Mattx> drose379, I spent at least 2 hours trying to find it on google :|
May 06 01:09:53 <drose379> Really?
May 06 01:10:27 <drose379> Mattx http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7202369/keep-soft-keyboard-open-when-enter-key-is-pressed
May 06 01:10:51 <ThomQ> I´m 32. Studied the wrong thing, so I had to make a drastic switch :D
May 06 01:10:56 <Mattx> I've been there drose379 :P
May 06 01:11:47 <drose379> whatd you study ThomQ
May 06 01:12:12 <ThomQ> Mattx: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11529109/android-keyboard-still-visible-after-launching-email-intent ?
May 06 01:12:14 <Mattx> for some reason it keeps hidding, I'll try again just in case
May 06 01:12:58 <ThomQ> Media and Entertainment Management drose379. I spent my 20s DJing, making music and producing videos. Wasn´t that profitable unfortunately
May 06 01:13:19 <drose379> Your finding that web/mobile dev is more enjoyable?
May 06 01:14:11 <ThomQ> Yes, much more. But it might also be a phase of life thing, too old for non stop partying basicly
May 06 01:14:35 <drose379> Oh
May 06 01:14:38 <drose379> Howd you get into it?
May 06 01:14:47 <ThomQ> into programming?
May 06 01:14:52 <drose379> yeah
May 06 01:15:58 <ThomQ> hmm i dont really know. When I was a kid I used to mod games and make my own maps and such. Then much later, in my 20s, i started making bots for the work that I did. Basicly webcrawlers, getting info for the dutch Yellow Pages
May 06 01:16:19 <Mattx> yep, first link definitely doesn't fix the problem
May 06 01:16:30 <ThomQ> It was basicly a do-at-home data entry job, but after I automated it, i got paid 4 times as much as I could do by hand, while playing Call of Duty :D
May 06 01:16:40 <drose379> Thats bad ass
May 06 01:16:48 <drose379> How did the web crawler work?
May 06 01:17:01 <drose379> Wanna message me, dont want the channel mods getting mad were having a non related convo here
May 06 01:17:10 <ThomQ> lol cool
May 06 01:17:22 <drose379> haha
May 06 01:25:09 <ManyouRisms> aww. I was actually reading that for some reason.
May 06 01:25:12 <ManyouRisms> :(
May 06 01:33:00 <drose379> Guys I need to figure out how to get getView in BaseAdapter to not get called 4 times for a List with only 2 items
May 06 01:33:26 <drose379> Its gonna call everything I have inside of getView() an un-necessary amount of times, and slow odwn everything
May 06 01:43:24 <canvs2321> drose379: you can't change it's behavior just because you don't like it. You have to accept how it works
May 06 01:43:42 <canvs2321> and never do unnecesary stuff in getView
May 06 01:43:50 <canvs2321> most things should be prethought and fixed
May 06 01:44:24 <burntcookie90> getView sould just be render code
May 06 01:44:24 <drose379> yeah, re-working it now
May 06 01:44:36 <drose379> I was using it incorrectly
May 06 01:44:52 <canvs2321> I see getView similar to onDraw, do as little work as possible in it, do most work before it happens
May 06 01:45:19 <drose379> Sure, yeah
May 06 01:45:28 <drose379> Also, If i have two items in my list
May 06 01:45:39 <drose379> Will item 0 always go into the list first
May 06 01:45:45 <drose379> 0
May 06 01:45:45 <drose379> 1
May 06 01:45:48 <drose379> or could it be
May 06 01:45:49 <drose379> 1
May 06 01:45:50 <drose379> 0
May 06 01:46:02 <burntcookie90> you could make it 1 0 if you wanted
May 06 01:46:19 <burntcookie90> but usually, you request your item from your collection based on your position
May 06 01:46:23 <canvs2321> ^
May 06 01:46:32 <drose379> And the position is always 0
May 06 01:46:33 <drose379> 1
May 06 01:46:57 <burntcookie90> if you make it that way
May 06 01:47:00 <canvs2321> there are filters you can apply etc, but generally it's 0-N
May 06 01:47:04 <burntcookie90> yeah
May 06 02:10:54 <mattblang_> I wonder if Android will ever have an official alternative to fragments
May 06 02:13:32 <g00s> i dont think fragments would be bad at all if (1) like activities, less onXXX (2) there was a DSL, internal, or external to wire the activities / fragments in a more human friendly manner (and pass bundles and shit between them) amd (3) they suffer the same problem with activities in that , mixing all that state with concurrency is a pain
May 06 02:13:49 <g00s> i'd like to see how MS did all this with continuum. i doubt they have fragments :D
May 06 02:15:07 <g00s> MS stuff tends to be MVVM; i think what i'm learning is that the easier a OS makes it to seperate concerns, the higher the quality of its software can be
May 06 02:15:42 <g00s> only the very lowest levels of my android app are easy to test, and i'm not mocking the bluetooth stuff
May 06 02:16:19 <drose379> If I have an async task, does other code not get executed until aysnc task onPostExecute is called?
May 06 02:18:43 <g00s> mattblang_ i think the real problem is all the async which will be necessary, but mixed with complex lifecycles of components
May 06 02:18:46 <JesusFreke> drose379: well, test it out. put some Log.d() in there, and see when they're called.
May 06 02:18:55 <drose379> I could do that
May 06 02:19:00 <mattblang_> g00s yeah, funny you mention MS, I was actually just thinking about messing around with Windows phone just to see what it is like
May 06 02:20:04 <JesusFreke> and if you want to investigate further, you can look at the implementation of asynctask. Which will then lead you to learning about handlers and loopers.
May 06 02:20:16 <drose379> Yes, thanks JesusFreke
May 06 02:21:15 <JesusFreke> experiment, investigate, learn! :D
May 06 02:21:30 <drose379> Thats what its all about JesusFreke
May 06 02:21:40 <g00s> but .. can you trust your senses ?
May 06 02:21:47 <drose379> hmmmm
May 06 02:21:49 <g00s> :D
May 06 02:21:57 <CedricBeust> Are we going to have Jaden Smith quotes next?
May 06 02:22:13 <JesusFreke> well, I could always go for henry ford
May 06 02:22:17 <g00s> i have a feeling CedricBeust has them all stored up ready to use
May 06 02:22:27 <JesusFreke> "Whether you think you can, or think you can't -- you're right."
May 06 02:22:38 <mattblang_> g00s I feel kind of hopeless, because my app at work has grown to enough complexity that I am seeing how difficult it will become to maintain.  But there does't seem to be a mature alternative that doesn't have its own problems.  It seems like every single thing Android has made has some third-party alternative because the first-pary way is full of boilerplate or annoyances.
May 06 02:22:45 <g00s> JesusFreke very zen :D
May 06 02:23:16 <CedricBeust> mattblang_: Anything specific that worries you?
May 06 02:23:35 <g00s> mattblang_ yeah, and its difficult to express, but the further yo ugo from the android way, the more problems that brings itself
May 06 02:23:43 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: speaking of mvvm, and MS. I've found that mvvm works quite well with android
May 06 02:23:53 <burntcookie90> g00s: what's `the android way`
May 06 02:24:06 <g00s> burntcookie90 Bundles all the way
May 06 02:24:19 <burntcookie90> oh, well yeah
May 06 02:24:25 <drose379> Can I not loop over and do asyncObject.execute(String)
May 06 02:24:30 <CedricBeust> At the risk of being trite, complex problems lead to complex software, it's hard to address that point without requesting more specifics
May 06 02:24:55 <burntcookie90> g00s: actually ended up writing a wrapper around bundle that utilizes gson
May 06 02:25:15 <burntcookie90> comes with the ease of serializable, and since our models are already gson tagged, it works well
May 06 02:26:52 <drose379> JesusFreke it looks like the program continues and Async runs in the background
May 06 02:27:07 <ManyouRisms> :)
May 06 02:27:11 <JesusFreke> bingo :)
May 06 02:27:20 <drose379> Thats the opposite of what I want though
May 06 02:27:22 <cph_dk> I might beccome a profressionel shortly, I hvad pre-orders on my digital modular kick drum synthesizer, hardward
May 06 02:27:32 <JesusFreke> so don't use an asynctask - just run the code.
May 06 02:27:49 <drose379> But I need it to wait until the code is finished executing to move on
May 06 02:27:59 <JesusFreke> .. so just run the code :)
May 06 02:28:01 <ManyouRisms> while (somethingHasntHappened)
May 06 02:28:20 <g00s> cph_dk did you design it with android ?
May 06 02:28:25 <burntcookie90> drose379: you want a syncrhonous operation then
May 06 02:28:36 <drose379> SyncTask would wait?
May 06 02:28:36 <cph_dk> burntcookie90 yes, in fact.
May 06 02:28:42 <CedricBeust> Do not to "while (somethingHasntHappened)"
May 06 02:28:46 <burntcookie90> drose379: SyncTask is not a thing
May 06 02:28:46 <CedricBeust> Do not do*
May 06 02:28:55 <burntcookie90> drose379: you just want to execute code normally
May 06 02:29:12 <cph_dk> burntcookie90 The math was done on android exclysively.
May 06 02:29:19 <drose379> But I need to make a call to http, which can take a few seconds, I need the program to wait until that call returns, to move on
May 06 02:29:24 <drose379> I thouhgt a while loop would be good for that
May 06 02:29:25 <burntcookie90> cph_dk: you're responding to the wrong person
May 06 02:29:37 <g00s> cph_dk i would think android's audio latency problems would be especially hard to reconsile with percusssion, which is all timing right ?
May 06 02:29:39 <JesusFreke> drose379: then you need to rethink your logic
May 06 02:29:49 <burntcookie90> drose379: then, using an async task, complete the network call and in onPostExecute hit a callback
May 06 02:29:56 <JesusFreke> drose379: you need to do the http request in an async task, and then do whatever you need to do afterwards in onPostExecute.
May 06 02:30:11 <cph_dk> g00s Ok, no, the synth is NOT anroid
May 06 02:30:22 <cph_dk> android is a tool
May 06 02:30:25 <drose379> But the code continues and onPostCallback is just calle when then http request is done
May 06 02:30:38 <drose379> I need the code to wait for onPostExecuted, then continue
May 06 02:31:09 <JesusFreke> drose379: no, you need to refactor your code and trigger you need to do after the http request in onPostExecute
May 06 02:31:12 <JesusFreke> err
May 06 02:31:19 <CedricBeust> Note that AsyncTask has a lot of problems which makes it unsuitable to a lot of... well, tasks. But save that for when your knowledge of Android has increased, AsyncTask is fine at first
May 06 02:31:22 <JesusFreke> and trigger whatever you need to do after the http request*
May 06 02:31:41 <cph_dk> g00s My math is actually pertty cool, but showing it to ANY WOULD lay the design bare.
May 06 02:31:48 <drose379> So just end the method after executing the async
May 06 02:32:00 <drose379> Then in onPostExecuted, call what I need to run after
May 06 02:32:04 <JesusFreke> yes.
May 06 02:32:12 <ManyouRisms> Maybe not the best practice, but i've done things like "while(asyncInstance.get() !=null)" then put the rest of the code in. Definitely has draw backs, and should probably have checking in to avoid infinite loops
May 06 02:32:26 <mattblang_> CedricBeust What worries me is, my app has turned into a lot of large fragments that are becoming sphagetti as they interweave business logic with the lifecycle.  I don't feel like I have a good handle on what weird behavior is going to present itself with these fragments as I navigate around.  I've been reading a lot about MVP, but there are still the challenges of handling lifecycle stuff and configuration changes.
May 06 02:32:31 <cph_dk> But I migh make a drum pad for android for it,
May 06 02:32:36 <ManyouRisms> JesusFreke is right though, and there should be some other logic to do it
May 06 02:32:39 <CedricBeust> ManyouRisms: You should definitely never do that, that's busy waiting, you're going to pin a CPU/core to 100% for no reason
May 06 02:32:40 <drose379> JesusFreke ok but I need to pass two items into the execute()
May 06 02:32:50 <drose379> so should I loop over each item and pass the seperate
May 06 02:32:54 <CedricBeust> ManyouRisms: At the very least, make sure that get() will block if nothing is available
May 06 02:33:08 <ManyouRisms> forsure
May 06 02:33:16 <JesusFreke> drose379: make them final local variables, and you can reference them from your asynctask - assuming it's an anonymous inner class in the method.
May 06 02:33:17 <drose379> or pass them both at once, and loop over them in the AsyncTask class I have, then use onPostExecute
May 06 02:33:28 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: you definitely want to seperate business logic and render code
May 06 02:33:29 <drose379> Its actually an external class
May 06 02:33:32 <drose379> Should it be inner?
May 06 02:33:35 <JesusFreke> Or, you can just pass them into the constructor in your non-anonymous AsyncTask class
May 06 02:33:37 <CedricBeust> mattblang_: That's perfectly normal, as you become more experienced with Android, it will become more apparent what belongs in fragments and what should be outside
May 06 02:33:43 <cph_dk> The cool part is that my unit is very ahead in the field it covers
May 06 02:33:49 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: mvvm/mvp allow for testable business logic modules
May 06 02:34:02 <drose379> Pass all of the items in at once, loop over them, then use onPostExecutre
May 06 02:34:42 <mattblang_> burntcookie90 yeah, but then mvp and dagger is quite a learning curve as well.  which you need DI in order to utilize testing
May 06 02:35:00 <drose379> Thanks for the help guys
May 06 02:35:17 <CedricBeust> mattblang_: Yes, Dagger is pretty much unavoidable but don't rush
May 06 02:35:24 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: you don't necessarily need to bring dagger in though
May 06 02:35:41 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, Yeah, I dropped Dagger for now to just focus on getting MVP straight in my head.
May 06 02:35:52 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: yeah, always go one step at a time
May 06 02:35:57 <mattblang_> CedricBeust, Will definitely come back to it later
May 06 02:36:24 <CedricBeust> mattblang_: It's very instructive to see the pain that not using it brings
May 06 02:36:27 <cph_dk> The nearest competition make very good 909/808, but mine also does thosem their is prob better for that, but then it cannot do anything more, mine can sound like all synts ever built and then x 10000
May 06 02:36:52 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, CedricBeust so do y'all use the MVP structure for your apps?
May 06 02:37:12 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: i've used MVP on two personal projects recently, MVVM on 1 personal and 2 professional
May 06 02:37:35 <CedricBeust> mattblang_: Depends on the app. Rather than following blindly an idea, I follow a few general rules of thumb. One of these is to try as much as possible to create classes that have no dependencies on android.*
May 06 02:37:51 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: once your head gets around MVP it's very hard to not think in MVP, at least for me
May 06 02:37:58 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: it had the same effect as Rx for me
May 06 02:38:12 <cph_dk> I will have 1 x 320x240 LCD, 20 x 4 alpha lcd 5 x rot.encod etc
May 06 02:38:34 <g00s> the funny thing is , MVP is such a simple idea - only in the context of android is everyone scratching their heads :D
May 06 02:39:00 <g00s> i remember reading the taligent paper when they were still in business :D
May 06 02:39:04 <CedricBeust> Very often, it takes much longer to come up with a simple idea than a complex one
May 06 02:39:07 <burntcookie90> g00s: it's simple, but different
May 06 02:39:11 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, CedricBeust, g00s Yeah, I think I have MVP straight and understand why, with DI, it works so well for testing.  The problem is though, the lifecycle and config changes
May 06 02:39:14 <CedricBeust> Ah Taligent... haven't heard that name in a long time
May 06 02:40:00 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: not just testing, but seperation of concerns helps create maintainable modules
May 06 02:42:07 <burntcookie90> the concerns raised here https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/34y1rg/any_reason_not_to_switch_to_dagger_2/ by JakeWharton are whats keeping me from buying into Dagger2 just yet
May 06 02:43:03 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, Yeah, I know what you mean
May 06 02:43:19 <JakeWharton> Don't listen to that guy
May 06 02:43:26 <ManyouRisms> ^^
May 06 02:43:28 <mattblang_> JakeWharton haha
May 06 02:45:03 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, That kind of takes me back to what I said about feeling hopeless though.  You have this ray of light from two things that are both first-party now but even they don't play together correctly
May 06 02:45:06 <burntcookie90> JakeWharton: shit
May 06 02:45:17 <burntcookie90> JakeWharton: seems i've made some mistakes in life
May 06 02:45:47 <burntcookie90> mattblang_: it's a work in progress, go try Xcode if you want to punch yourself in the face
May 06 02:46:14 <burntcookie90> (i've been in an xcode rant mood today)
May 06 02:46:47 <mattblang_> burntcookie90, That won't be far away, already done some Swift stuff.  The project I'm working on is for a client that wants iOS, I just want to do the project first in Android.
May 06 02:46:58 <g00s> JakeWharton your comment "No(t anytime soon). These two teams might as well be in different companies so don't expect it to matter any more because it's Google." ... the build guys and AS guys are separate teams ?
May 06 02:47:22 <JakeWharton> No
May 06 02:47:28 <JakeWharton> Java core libraries
May 06 02:47:35 <g00s> oh
May 06 02:48:33 <g00s> yeah duh i read that wrong
May 06 02:49:22 <g00s> this looks very good http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/05/android-app-experimentation/
May 06 02:50:52 <g00s> well, insofar as helping with pricing experimentation ... but yeah if people start wondering whether they are getting a bad deal this might backfire
May 06 02:51:14 <g00s> when supermarkets try this, surveys generally aren't positive
May 06 02:51:37 <pfnQ> supermarkets do it all the time
May 06 02:51:42 <pfnQ> coupons
May 06 02:52:47 * pfnQ ponders the utility of making use of rx from his apps
May 06 02:52:49 <g00s> no - thats not an example, but, there have been experiments where you get a better discount than somebody else, just because of some unique characteristic. or, you get a different coopun than the next guy
May 06 02:53:01 <pfnQ> g00s, yes, coupons
May 06 02:53:16 <pfnQ> people get different coupons depending on locality, etc
May 06 02:53:20 <g00s> for example, you go in every week to buy a certain brand of water, and then notice you aren't getting coupons for it any more
May 06 02:53:43 <g00s> this is all done via mobile, scanning Qr codes, no paper coupons per se
May 06 02:53:54 <g00s> so basically everybody gets a different price
May 06 02:53:59 <CedricBeust> burntcookie90: It's a valid concern but one that will only impact you if you want to debug into annotation-generated code, which should be rare. As far as I'm concerned, avoiding reflection in Android trumps everything, so Dagger 2 all the way
May 06 02:54:18 <pfnQ> eg recent example, I got a coupon for 20% at some store, went in to store, saw someone with the same coupon, but it was only 15%
May 06 02:54:57 <pfnQ> if gradle had a continuous build mode, generated code in ide wouldn't be an issue
May 06 02:55:10 <pfnQ> g00s, stores do it all the time
May 06 02:55:14 <CedricBeust> It's basically between choosing some pain on yourself (the developer) in order to make your users' life easier. Not even close, I'll suffer so my users can have a lightning fast app
May 06 02:55:36 <g00s> pfnQ dynamic pricing is becoming more common
May 06 02:55:58 <pfnQ> g00s, fixed pricing is only a really common thing in the West
May 06 02:56:00 <g00s> pfnQ the difference is there are no price tags
May 06 02:56:03 <pfnQ> western world
May 06 02:56:24 <g00s> you walk into a store, there are no prices, you scan something with the Supermarket app, and it gives you a price
May 06 02:56:41 <g00s> at least where i was, this was only experimental in a few places
May 06 02:56:56 <g00s> its not Price is X unless you have coupon
May 06 02:57:16 <pfnQ> dynamic pricing is the name of the game in developing countries
May 06 02:57:34 <pfnQ> non first world, even
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