**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 18 02:59:59 2015
May 18 03:08:52 <DadFoundMy> TacticalJoke: im a bad coder so a lot of times instead of using setTag ill get the text inside of the view and use that in my conditions
May 18 03:19:20 <shoerain> TacticalJoke: not being familiar with tags, are they kind of similar to CSS classes?
May 18 03:23:49 <TacticalJoke> Nah, tags are just arbitrary data that can be associated with a View.
May 18 03:24:12 <TacticalJoke> As far as I remember, CSS classes are more like Java 7 superclasses.
May 18 03:27:06 <hert> hey anyone knows of a good tutorial to use existing database in android?
May 18 03:27:56 <napster> Lol, what will be the name of next Nexus? :D Nexus 7 is already released years ago.
May 18 03:28:38 <TacticalJoke> I can't say I'm amazed by Google's naming schemes.
May 18 03:29:54 <napster> I can't imagine they didn't foresee this.
May 18 03:30:23 <TacticalJoke> Knowing Google, they're just release another 5" screen and call it Nexus 5 2015/2016.
May 18 03:30:31 <TacticalJoke> (Whichever year; I dunno.)
May 18 03:30:43 <napster> lol
May 18 03:31:15 <napster> Names for 7 and 9 are already reserved
May 18 03:31:27 <napster> so may be they will call it "Nexus 8"
May 18 03:33:56 <napster> I'm happy with my Gnex though. Someone from XDA managed to build Lollipop for it as well.
May 18 03:38:47 <shoerain> napster: obviously 7.2
May 18 03:38:49 <shoerain> :P
May 18 03:38:58 <gordon_> napster: and it's slow
May 18 03:39:05 <gordon_> I mean galaxy nexus
May 18 03:39:29 <gordon_> so in the end who will make new nexus 5? LG or Huawei ?
May 18 03:39:50 <napster> slow when you use it for your day to day needs. I use Gnex for development only. I have an iPhone for other uses. ;)
May 18 03:40:26 <napster> LG already have two devices. So I would love to see from Huawei
May 18 03:42:00 <gordon_> hmm
May 18 03:42:18 <gordon_> dont know what huawei is like in case of quality
May 18 03:48:50 <liuwenhao> LG is the fucking worst in terms of customer service
May 18 03:48:59 <liuwenhao> took two months for me to get my nexus 4 back after sending it in for repair
May 18 03:49:03 <napster> I would love to see it from Motorola honestly :)
May 18 03:52:27 <gordon_> like nexus 6 ?
May 18 03:52:30 <gordon_> it would be expensive
May 18 03:56:24 <surf2b1> I have visited stackoverflow for 175 consecutive days. I have a problem.
May 18 03:56:45 <Pwnies> i visited stackoverflow for 176 consecutive days :p
May 18 03:56:51 <surf2b1> haha
May 18 03:56:56 <Pwnies> jajaja
May 18 03:57:36 <surf2b1> You get a little gold badge when you hit 100. I'm wondering if I will get another. My mom never gave me a gold star so I'm looking forward to this. /s
May 18 04:00:42 <Pwnies> haha /s, but no /s. that badge means something bro. that badge means something.
May 18 04:04:57 <napster> Expensive but new phones from Moto appears to be very good to me. Almost vanilla Android, and pretty much good build quality. gordon_
May 18 04:06:13 <Pwnies> strictly for development?
May 18 04:07:35 <TacticalJoke> Nexuses (Nexi?) don't interest me that much.
May 18 04:07:47 <TacticalJoke> The screens always look faded and yellow.
May 18 04:07:55 <liuwenhao> All of the Nexus phones have terrible cameras
May 18 04:08:02 <liuwenhao> which is a huge bummer
May 18 04:08:20 <TacticalJoke> I like the Sony blue, bright screens.
May 18 04:08:37 <g00s> Nexus is Googli for "beta tester's device"
May 18 04:08:53 <Pwnies> liuwenhao, what phone did you end up getting? z1 compact?
May 18 04:09:58 <liuwenhao> i found a cheap refurbished gs5 on ebay and love it, haven't gotten around to flashing a custom rom yet though
May 18 04:10:24 <liuwenhao> i still have my nexus 4 for developing
May 18 04:10:30 <Pwnies> how much for the gs5?
May 18 04:11:06 <shoerain> does the xml editor in android studio have nifty shortcuts? it's kind of annoying to add attributes to an xml tag
May 18 04:11:38 <napster> If one is planning to run custom ROMs, Nexus phones are good.
May 18 04:12:45 <liuwenhao> it was around $275. I wasn't sure if I would like it because of touchwiz but it's great, no problems at all
May 18 04:13:04 <liuwenhao> swappable battery is nice too, i live in china and picked up some batteries for $5 each
May 18 04:13:59 <napster> You will be getting domestic brands in China right? one of my friend has a phone that looks like iPhone 6 running Android 5
May 18 04:14:06 <liuwenhao> nexus 4 on 5.1 camera api force reboots the phone half the time so having a phone with an actually good camera is a nice change
May 18 04:14:22 <liuwenhao> i bought it in the usa napster
May 18 04:14:30 <napster> ok
May 18 04:14:46 <liuwenhao> if you want clones you can buy them for super cheap on taobao.com or jd
May 18 04:14:49 <g00s> lol, i had to upvote "Stop doing a half-assed job at everything." for I/O wish
May 18 04:15:08 <liuwenhao> and then there's the actual good chinese brands like meizu and xiaomi that are pretty inexpensive as ewll
May 18 04:15:26 <shoerain> g00s: heh there's a wishlist?
May 18 04:15:33 <g00s> shoerain yeah on reddit
May 18 04:15:49 <napster> Xiomi ftw
May 18 04:17:26 <liuwenhao> http://www.gsmarena.com/meizu_mx4-6627.php i was considering this for a while but no sd card slot
May 18 04:18:21 <napster> nice looking phone though
May 18 04:18:40 <Levite> it's pretty hard to make an ugly phone these days
May 18 04:19:04 <liuwenhao> nokia does a pretty good job at making ugly phones
May 18 04:19:06 <Levite> it's the fit and finish that's hard to copy
May 18 04:19:42 <napster> Only apple can do that kind of finish ;)
May 18 04:20:25 <liuwenhao> http://assets.windowsphone.com/efc5dce1-b923-4bf7-b556-595a485af2ab/Nokia-Lumia-920-PhoneHero_en-US_Default.png
May 18 04:20:28 <liuwenhao> i never understood this design
May 18 04:20:35 <liuwenhao> It looks like the phone is permanently in a box
May 18 04:20:50 <napster> lol :D
May 18 04:20:58 <liuwenhao> i used a 920 for a while and it drives me crazy
May 18 04:21:04 <liuwenhao> i like the OS though
May 18 04:21:05 <Levite> i'm more offended by what's on-screen
May 18 04:21:30 <g00s> i'm still rocking my lumia 521, the mest phone evar for $75
May 18 04:21:37 <g00s> lol mehst :D
May 18 04:21:40 <g00s> best !
May 18 04:21:57 <napster> tahts asewom
May 18 04:21:58 <liuwenhao> nokia windows phone cameras are godly
May 18 04:22:04 <liuwenhao> better than most point and shoots
May 18 04:22:05 <g00s> i'll be sad if nokia here maps gets sold to uber, those scumbags
May 18 04:24:02 <Levite> what does pressing the back button on the home screen do
May 18 04:24:15 <Levite> on that windows "phone"
May 18 04:24:56 <g00s> it depends
May 18 04:25:03 <napster> Are those hardware buttons?
May 18 04:25:06 <g00s> long press on back shows something like recents on Android
May 18 04:25:24 <g00s> otherwise, it works like android mostly
May 18 04:27:10 <Levite> windows 10 looks like it will be a success for them
May 18 04:27:22 <g00s> i hope so - i need a change of scenery
May 18 04:31:11 <napster> I wonder what will be the future of Android.
May 18 04:33:08 <Pwnies> as g00s would say...
May 18 04:33:15 <Pwnies> "bugs... lots and lots of bugs"
May 18 04:33:57 <g00s> Pwnies lol, indeed :D
May 18 04:34:23 <napster> :)
May 18 04:34:53 <g00s> i always get the impression Android is one option of some Google A/B test that they are only doing because they have to
May 18 04:34:59 <dynmeth> are there any major drawbacks of removing android:process=":sync" from your syncadapter service?
May 18 04:35:47 <dynmeth> i expect memory usage would be higher?
May 18 04:36:25 <Levite> android is just an ad delivery vector so it will follow whatever the current market trends
May 18 04:37:05 <Levite> so the future of android is just the future of "mobile platforms" in general
May 18 04:38:05 <napster> What is Windows dominate the market share in the future?
May 18 04:38:53 <Levite> mobile market share?
May 18 04:39:29 <napster> yep
May 18 04:39:51 <t2mkn> why there are 18,24,36, 48 dp variations in "material-design-icons" ??? any one?
May 18 04:40:14 <Levite> vertical integration is just so important, i don't see it happening
May 18 04:40:24 <t2mkn> which dp is prefectly suitable for Toolbar ?
May 18 04:40:43 <Levite> because android devices come in a wide variety of resolutions
May 18 04:41:09 <napster> hmm
May 18 04:42:12 <t2mkn> so how can I target all resolutions !!!
May 18 04:42:36 <Levite> by including them all -- the runtime choose which to use
May 18 04:43:38 <Levite> i'm not even sure windows phone will exist in 10 years
May 18 04:44:06 <t2mkn> that choice is by drawable-hdpi, mdpi, xhdpi, xxhdpi, and xxxhdpi
May 18 04:44:11 <g00s> lol i hope i'm not doing what i do today 10 years from now
May 18 04:44:55 <napster> Given that they produce their own hardware and the OS
May 18 04:44:56 <g00s> Levite i think MS and Ubuntu have it right with their convered philosophy. if Windows phone doesn't exist 10 years from now, its because its just windows that runs on a phone
May 18 04:45:07 <g00s> s/convered/converged
May 18 04:45:11 <Levite> not that it really matters, MS doesn't bring any new ideas to the table.
May 18 04:45:13 <t2mkn> but the icons material-design-icons set has 18, 24, 36, 48 dp variations in all
May 18 04:45:55 <Levite> right. "windows" would be more profitable as a constellation of platform-agnostic apps
May 18 04:48:19 <CedricBeust_> Windows is bringing hundreds of millions of dollars every year, I think it's doing quite alright
May 18 04:49:21 <Levite> how many people are running windows on mac hardware though? it's unofficially a mac OS
May 18 04:49:34 <CedricBeust_> uh what?
May 18 04:49:43 <napster> ?
May 18 04:50:06 <napster> I never tried to write Windows apps, hoping eventually they will die out. :)
May 18 04:50:21 <Pwnies> you mean parallels?
May 18 04:51:24 <Levite> windows runs *excellently* in parallels
May 18 04:52:56 <Levite> but I'm referring to people running it using boot camp
May 18 04:54:04 <napster> Why would people run Windows on Mac anyway? (except for programming purposes)
May 18 04:54:30 <CedricBeust_> games
May 18 04:54:49 <Levite> because the hardware is better and they can retain the option to run OS X and Linux, and gaming, and to fit in
May 18 04:54:49 <napster> :D
May 18 04:57:17 <Levite> i'm wondering if chromebooks are going to catch on in the real world
May 18 04:57:23 <t0astt> I actually just switched over to a macbook pro... I'm loving it so far
May 18 04:57:53 <WantToCode> Hey is there a way to use the old hierarchyViewer again? I want to see the tree view, which is really weird in the device monitor
May 18 05:01:24 <Levite> i think in the future, discussing what hardware you use is going to be seem as lame
May 18 05:01:28 <Levite> i think
May 18 05:02:00 <g00s> Levite i dont think you are considering the social psychology of brands
May 18 05:03:34 <g00s> the tribes we belong to, ideal we subscribe to, and simply prestige
May 18 05:04:00 <g00s> i read somewhere it works very much like religous affiliation
May 18 05:08:08 <Levite> it's like in the 50's how you had greasers arguing over ford vs. chevy but the cool kids just wanted to cruise around
May 18 05:09:41 <groxx> WantToCode: there's a command-line tool that'll just launch it, but it's pretty busted it seems :|  I've always had to run (and lately, modify) https://github.com/romainguy/ViewServer to get it to do anything.
May 18 05:09:56 <Chamooze> Hmm, I got a rather weird crash report tonight. NumberFormatException on "40.0dip" when inflating some xml-file (says unknown binary xml file) while launching the app. The only layout xml relevant does contain a couple of "40dp", but..... what?
May 18 05:10:19 <WantToCode> the cmd tool just says it is deprecated and quits. Ubuntu 14.10
May 18 05:10:35 <groxx> WantToCode: that's pretty horrible :\
May 18 05:10:58 <groxx> WantToCode: ooh.  it does say that normally, because it expects you to use the DDMS version (which is basically gone)
May 18 05:11:30 <groxx> WantToCode: but it should be opening up a java window.  might be logs or something explaining the fail if there is one.
May 18 05:11:36 <WantToCode> I really like the tree view with all the data of measure, layout, draw, and the red green yellow dots. It gave a very nice overview.
May 18 05:11:48 <WantToCode> Does it open in your system? Which os?
May 18 05:11:54 <groxx> yeah, when I can get it to work, it's handy.  and yes, OSX
May 18 05:13:34 <WantToCode> groxx, will try again and see the logs. Thanks
May 18 05:14:47 <Chamooze> I dunno. Anyone seen anything similar? heh
May 18 05:22:05 <groxx> Chamooze: dunno.  can you post the stack / the xml file?  I'd guess that it's just a field which accepts a _number_ but not a _dimension_ (though that would be kinda weird)
May 18 05:23:51 <t0astt> My app has two activities: One to display a list of articles, and one to display an article when it's picked from the list. When I am on the activity that displays an article and I press the back button on my device, it goes back to the previous activity with the state of the activity persisted. If I press the Back arrow on my toolbar from the article activity, it goes back to the list activity but recreates it. Which of those is the correct action,
May 18 05:25:19 <groxx> t0astt: personally, I think it's generally better to leave things as they were, so I'd prefer the "up" button to act like the "back" button here.  but both can make sense, depending on the context.
May 18 05:25:44 <t0astt> groxx: that's my thinking as well. Would I just want to finish() on the "up" button then?
May 18 05:26:20 <Chamooze> groxx: http://pastie.org/10194191
May 18 05:26:37 <groxx> t0astt: probably, yeah.  I assume there's always an activity "under" the current one?
May 18 05:26:44 <gordon_> WantToCode: from what I've head hierachy view doesnt always says true
May 18 05:26:49 <t0astt> groxx: yes, there is always an activity underneath
May 18 05:27:21 <WantToCode> gordon_, as in the measure layout draw times?
May 18 05:27:35 <Chamooze> groxx: The line number from the stack does match the opening tag of where I use 40dp in the xml, but.... what the heck is going on? heh
May 18 05:29:03 <gordon_> WantToCode: dont know all the details, just saying what I've heard
May 18 05:29:10 <WantToCode> hmm ok
May 18 05:29:22 <groxx> Chamooze: that's kinda funky, yeah..
May 18 05:29:36 <gordon_> there was skalpel project from square for debugging layouts
May 18 05:29:47 <Chamooze> groxx: Aah! It seems to be a bug with Galaxy Tab 2 and paddingStart/End specifically. lol
May 18 05:29:48 <Chamooze> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=60055
May 18 05:30:07 <groxx> it doesn't always give you _accurate_ times, but they tend to be reasonably comparable.  something's better than nothing.
May 18 05:30:53 <groxx> Chamooze: interesting.  what OS version?
May 18 05:32:04 <Chamooze> groxx: 4.1
May 18 05:33:07 <Chamooze> groxx: Not sure if it also affects newer versions, I've only gotten 1 crash out of ~1700 users
May 18 05:33:08 <groxx> huh.  I wonder if they shipped with some internal "paddingStart" thing that's colliding now.
May 18 05:33:15 <groxx> samsung does that kind of crap all the time though :|
May 18 05:33:47 <g00s> man i hope samsung just goes with tizen and dissapears
May 18 05:34:43 <Chamooze> simple fix in this case - I only added paddingStart/End because lint suggested it to better support RTL layouts, but since the padding is symmetrical it's not really needed
May 18 05:35:07 <Chamooze> still... damn, that's a bad bug.
May 18 05:36:01 <g00s> but but .. its Obsolete
May 18 05:36:31 <groxx> I feel like there needs to be a community version of `lint` that is just a crap-ton of "this crashes on samsung devices running X or Y".
May 18 05:36:33 <g00s> well its Samsung so, yeah
May 18 05:36:41 <g00s> groxx exactly
May 18 05:36:58 <Chamooze> that would be awesome
May 18 05:37:11 <g00s> i thought about this , even years ago. and when i type something in AS editor, if i'm about to use an API with a bug a tooltip should come up
May 18 05:37:26 <g00s> but it would require good data, thats the problem
May 18 05:37:28 <groxx> hence my desire to have a wiki form of the android docs
May 18 05:37:42 <g00s> i good database, of app the devices, the apis that broke on each one, etc, it would be hard to confirm this
May 18 05:37:49 <groxx> wiki -> javadoc -> in-IDE cautions.
May 18 05:38:06 <CedricBeust> If there was a warning "This might not work on Samsung", our sources would have yellow on every single line
May 18 05:38:24 <g00s> i wish i could just blacklist a manufacturer from Play
May 18 05:38:26 <groxx> easiest lint check ever
May 18 05:38:44 <groxx> if (checks.include(samsung_compat)) return false;
May 18 05:39:43 <g00s> groxx probably somebody would have to create something like a CTS and run it on each device, it would be a huge undertaking
May 18 05:39:56 <g00s> and collect the bugs / diffs into a database
May 18 05:40:02 <Carbonflux> ya, the only crash report I have for my app is a samsung.
May 18 05:40:44 <g00s> i'm kinda excited about ARA but i don't see how Google is going to handle now even more configurations like that
May 18 05:41:11 <g00s> we have enough problems with phones that don't swap components
May 18 05:42:39 <Levite> a majority of my crashes are from the "galaxy ace" whatever that is
May 18 05:44:23 <Levite> the note4 is bad too
May 18 05:45:01 <g00s> i have users &  problems with note 3
May 18 05:45:15 <g00s> for some reason, damn thing just doesn't want to connect to bluetooth devices
May 18 05:45:45 <g00s> this is the old rfcomm apis, shit was stable back in 2.1
May 18 05:51:41 <Chamooze> Phew, fixed version uploaded to Play Store. thanks guys. :)
May 18 05:53:02 <g00s> groxx i wonder what would happen if devs could blacklist oems from Play. those stats would be interesting , buyers might decide on what oem has the least # of blacklisted apps
May 18 05:53:16 <g00s> transparency ftw !
May 18 05:53:42 <g00s> but google is not going to want to admit that , devs blacklist at that scale, because it implies things are messed up
May 18 05:53:56 <Carbonflux> until someone figures out how to game it ;)
May 18 05:54:17 <g00s> as long as they can't write a review :D
May 18 06:07:08 <Levite> is there a way to change the "OK, Google" prompt to "Fuck You, Google"?
May 18 06:08:00 <pfn> get a moto x
May 18 06:08:13 <Levite> lol
May 18 06:10:03 <barq> I have a DialogFragment with Buttons that look like this: https://cdn.tutsplus.com/mobile/uploads/legacy/Android-SDK_Password-Box/fig3.png How can I change the style of the buttons to look like this? http://i.stack.imgur.com/bB4WZ.png
May 18 06:12:50 <g00s> i think i might get a moto g (3) for dev
May 18 06:13:21 <shmooz> g00s: get a BLU Vivo Air
May 18 06:13:23 <Levite> it seems like a solid device
May 18 06:13:26 <g00s> as long as its under $200
May 18 06:13:37 <g00s> i'm never spending more than $200 for an android device :)
May 18 06:13:48 <Levite> I wish it had more RAM though
May 18 06:13:53 <shmooz> the Vivo Air is about $200
May 18 06:14:18 <barq> Any ideas?
May 18 06:14:56 <Levite> besides entering XML hell? no
May 18 06:16:11 <barq> Is there a way to change the Button style or do I need to use AlertDialogBuilder and build ths thing from scratch?
May 18 06:19:34 <g00s> "Report: Saudis may purchase Pakistani atomic bomb" d'oh !
May 18 06:21:55 <g00s> shmooz does it come with a geiger counter ?
May 18 06:22:25 <shmooz> g00s: there's an app that modifies cameras to detect radiation
May 18 06:22:30 <GGMethos> https://github.com/Morlunk/Plumble anyone build this project on windows?
May 18 06:22:38 <shmooz> but you have to put a black tape over the lens
May 18 06:22:50 <g00s> oh yeah now i remember that
May 18 06:22:54 <shmooz> I forgot what it was called
May 18 06:26:01 <barq> I tried style="?android:attr/borderlessButtonStyle", but then I don't get any border. I want just a line border such as here: http://i.stack.imgur.com/bB4WZ.png
May 18 06:26:23 <g00s> lol thats because its borderless :D
May 18 06:26:46 <barq> I would like the style that AlertDialog.Builder uses, but I can't find it.
May 18 06:26:49 <g00s> i see barq is descending into theme attribute hell
May 18 06:27:42 <g00s> barq that could come from the linearlayout dividers / seps ...
May 18 06:27:55 <g00s> but you could do it yourself anyhow
May 18 06:28:33 <g00s> shmooz just came across this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300199473
May 18 06:28:58 <barq> Well, there must be a style defined somewhere that AlertDialog.Builder uses?
May 18 06:34:58 <jellybee> Hello, replace() with addToBackstack is basicly add()?
May 18 06:35:16 <jellybee> if I replace() and add to backstack every time?
May 18 06:42:08 <shmooz> g00s: we are far from either path
May 18 06:42:50 <shmooz> it won't set us free and it won't lock us up, it'll just annoy us for the next couple centuries
May 18 06:47:28 <Levite> when I hear " internet of things " I think of my panasonic "smart tv"
May 18 06:47:42 <Levite> a bunch of software written by idiots
May 18 06:48:59 <Levite> "things" indeed
May 18 06:49:09 <g00s> Levite is it as bad as this? http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/08/telescreen/
May 18 06:50:07 <Levite> meh, that's maliciousness
May 18 06:50:26 <Levite> well, not maliciousness
May 18 06:50:55 <Levite> it's basically tacking the "internet" onto existing products tends to make crappy products
May 18 06:51:17 <Levite> instead of making things that are useful in and of themselves, organically useful
May 18 06:53:13 <Mavrik> Mornin happy people :)
May 18 06:53:55 <Levite> regular people aren't nerds so non-intuitive products don't usually succeed in the free market
May 18 06:54:08 <Levite> so it's not really an issue
May 18 06:56:09 <Levite> good taste is in such limited supply
May 18 06:59:20 <shmooz> I SAID DO MY DISHES , NOT POO MY WISHES !
May 18 07:00:37 <Levite> what I hate most is seeing tasteful products like Nest being assimilated by non-tasteful entities like Google
May 18 07:03:50 <Levite> I'd say the most important quality in a company is earnestness
May 18 07:04:22 <g00s> Mavrik did you learn anything from that BLE talk ? it was kinda basic
May 18 07:04:56 <Mavrik> I just skimmed over it since I don't use it, but yeah, it looked basic enough
May 18 07:05:12 <Mavrik> Maybe if there was a video since I guess the guy actually explains the gotchas around it
May 18 07:05:21 <Mavrik> API22+ I guess ;)
May 18 07:06:12 <Levite> ooh new Silicon Valley
May 18 07:07:07 <shmooz> too many dick jokes on that show
May 18 07:07:25 <Levite> well there's a new good female character
May 18 07:08:16 <shmooz> I wish IT Crowd was back
May 18 07:09:15 <Odaym> http://cdn-www.xda-developers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Logcat.jpg
May 18 07:09:23 <Levite> lol
May 18 07:09:24 <Odaym> please help
May 18 07:09:27 <Odaym> that's my logcat
May 18 07:09:42 <Odaym> lelz
May 18 07:13:46 <g00s> holy shit, this looks cool http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/17/pascal/
May 18 07:22:16 <g00s> capella so sounds like multiprocess FF is next release
May 18 07:23:16 <Levite> yeah i just installed nightly to try it out
May 18 07:23:29 <g00s> Levite how is memory usage ?
May 18 07:23:34 <Levite> seems nice I guess, not that I had any problems with single process FF
May 18 07:23:35 <g00s> tell us what you seee !!!!
May 18 07:23:39 <Levite> too early to tell
May 18 07:23:45 <capella> It was a little buggy @ first - they've fixed a lot of stuff
May 18 07:23:52 <Levite> it seems like there's going to be friction with existing addons though, that's what worries me
May 18 07:24:19 <capella> Oh, yah, that not fixed up yet?
May 18 07:24:23 <Levite> not at all
May 18 07:24:31 <capella> I remember it was a problem out of the gate
May 18 07:24:50 <Levite> they've added shims and stuff to maintain backwards compatibility but looking at the new API it's going to be rewrite city
May 18 07:25:08 <Levite> I think they're even paying the adblock plus guy to do it
May 18 07:25:54 <g00s> yeah can't have interwebs without ABP
May 18 07:25:59 <Levite> devs that have been developing for chrome should be able to adapt well
May 18 07:26:06 <Levite> sorry, I meant NoScript
May 18 07:26:37 <Levite> the addons page gives dire warnings like here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24899691/m/Screen%20Shot%202015-05-18%20at%202.26.18%20AM.png
May 18 07:26:46 <g00s> capella see, thats the ticket ... write plugin nobody can do without, let mozilla make breaking change, wait for donation ... profit !
May 18 07:27:26 <Levite> i wish they would release an iOS version already
May 18 07:27:31 <mchlsndrn> hello everyone. I would like to create an app that downloads encrypted files from a web server (PDFs, html5 animations,videos, etc) and views them. could you recommend something for this?
May 18 07:28:20 <Levite> this is an interesting read re:noscript https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1058542
May 18 07:29:50 <Levite> and adblock: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930787
May 18 07:31:33 <Levite> mozilla is one of the few companies that I trust implicitly so I want them to succeed
May 18 07:31:49 <Levite> if wishes were dollars
May 18 07:33:21 <g00s> capella your electricty failing again ?
May 18 07:33:35 <g00s> maybe that nuclear reactor is having a problem
May 18 07:34:13 <capella> no - my machine just got flaky - started auto-cancelling tasks ... ran out of virtual memory .... fan started blowing hot ...
May 18 07:34:28 <g00s> oh boy, e10 sounds great !
May 18 07:34:39 <capella> hahaha - I was in the middle of a build
May 18 07:35:12 <capella> but I'd physically moved the laptop previously, so I wonder if I had a cable short(?)
May 18 07:35:28 <capella> That damn N7 connection does odd things
May 18 07:36:17 <g00s> hm yeah i still baby my n7
May 18 07:36:31 <g00s> especially now reports they are bricking from bad flash
May 18 07:36:44 <capella> erm? oh dear
May 18 07:37:15 <g00s> my logcat is constantly being spammed with shit, presumably this is writing to a file on flash ? or is it just a circular memory buffer ?
May 18 07:37:28 <g00s> maybe Mavrik knows
May 18 07:45:38 <barq> What is the style name that AlertDialog.Builder uses for the positive/negative buttons?
May 18 07:46:08 <g00s> barq you'll have to look it up
May 18 07:46:21 <g00s> open up those styles.xml, attrs.xml, themes.xml ...
May 18 07:46:32 <g00s> its time for a journey !
May 18 07:48:47 <capella> yay for open source \o/
May 18 07:49:48 <cart_man> Hi, where can I find menu templates?
May 18 07:50:12 <bhans> cart_man: google
May 18 07:50:32 <cart_man> ive tried...I manage to find the same ones over ander over
May 18 07:50:50 <cart_man> but it is ok I will just keep on searching.
May 18 07:51:41 <g00s> lol, this looks like such a terrible idea https://github.com/tumblr/Remember
May 18 07:51:54 <g00s> androidweekly.net is going to hell
May 18 07:52:32 <g00s> well it was a slow week - so they were probably digging up the dregs
May 18 07:56:49 <_rm> what's the point of that
May 18 07:56:59 <_rm> except to get something that's kinda similar to NSUserDefaults on ios
May 18 07:58:27 <g00s> i'm noticing one of the 'goals' of startups is to have some open source thing / lib, because its prestigous i guess - and they feel it attracts talent
May 18 07:58:49 <g00s> but often their lib is crapola
May 18 08:00:11 <g00s> "Pre-requisite: Your project must have Guava installed."
May 18 08:00:42 <g00s> lol thats awesome; we wrote this silly wrapper on dahredprefs - and to use it, increase your dex method count by 20k
May 18 08:00:46 <_rm> that's quite a hefty dependency for what's essentially an interface on top of sharedpreferences
May 18 08:00:52 <_rm> ya
May 18 08:02:41 <g00s> anyhow, anyone looking for a real k/v store that works well on android - i recommend H2 mvstore
May 18 08:11:34 <Odaym> come on man, when's that rep gonna start rolling in!
May 18 08:11:53 <Odaym> doesn't anybody want to know how to keep a google map centered as you zoom?
May 18 08:12:11 * Odaym sulks
May 18 08:12:20 <capella> meh - wonder if I should switch from intelliJ to AS
May 18 08:14:57 <darklrd> hi - how do you secure API key stored in AndroidManifest.xml since it can retrieved by any apk backup tool?
May 18 08:18:06 <surf2b1> darklrd: What's the API key for? Used by a third party?
May 18 08:18:08 <replman> Hi! I use the MediaRecorder to record a video from the camera. The result is a video where the blue and green channels are flipped. Does anyone know this problem / know how to solve it?
May 18 08:18:59 <replman> People look like smurfs in the resulting video ;-)
May 18 08:20:13 <Odaym> haha
May 18 08:20:20 <Odaym> maybe the device is on shrooms
May 18 08:21:07 <replman> Odaym: That was my first thought too, but It happens on other devices too
May 18 08:21:24 <Odaym> that's good, means 1 major thing is wrong
May 18 08:21:43 <Odaym> I would say it's in the settings of the media recorder, the initialization step
May 18 08:21:48 <replman> but i cannot figure out what's wrong
May 18 08:21:58 <Odaym> see all Constants that are valid to be fed to the recorder options
May 18 08:22:41 <Odaym> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaRecorder.html
May 18 08:23:15 <replman> This is how i setup: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3731a0b25a0304dda141
May 18 08:23:34 <Mavrik> replman, your color space is wrong
May 18 08:23:50 <replman> Mavrik: how to set it correct?
May 18 08:23:59 <Mavrik> Or you're setting a wrong video size
May 18 08:24:11 <Mavrik> Some devices demand that you record at the same resolution as preview is
May 18 08:24:18 <Odaym> if (s.width == 640 && s.height == 480)
May 18 08:24:18 <Odaym>                 {
May 18 08:24:18 <Odaym>                     mMediaRecorder.setVideoSize(s.width, s.height);
May 18 08:24:18 <Odaym>                 }
May 18 08:24:35 <Odaym> definitely definitely pain to read this
May 18 08:25:00 <replman> why? :-)
May 18 08:25:08 <Odaym> 640 and 480 written just like that
May 18 08:25:29 <Odaym> there must be something else that calculates in another way
May 18 08:25:55 <Odaym> how you do that if when its inside the for loop over supported sizes?
May 18 08:26:07 <Odaym> just explicitly say "setVideoSize(640, 480)"
May 18 08:26:43 <replman> But what if this size is not available?
May 18 08:26:44 <Odaym> cause you're looping over all supported and only picking the one you want, just set the one you want from the beginning and don't loop over anything
May 18 08:26:54 <Odaym> then you end up not setting anything! with that code
May 18 08:27:25 <Mavrik> (and causing recording issues)
May 18 08:27:26 <Odaym> that code says, only if there is 640 480, set the video size, otherwise you don't set video size at all
May 18 08:27:49 <Odaym> so right now you are unaware of what happened from the for loop result
May 18 08:27:53 <Odaym> no idea what got picked in the end
May 18 08:28:12 <replman> Yes, just wondering myself
May 18 08:30:24 <replman> The colorspace problem still exists...
May 18 08:30:44 <barq> How can I find out, what theme is used for the AlertDialog.Builder. The method setPositiveButton does not specify a theme, it just returns a Builder. And if I look into builder there are several possible themes that can be used.
May 18 08:31:30 <Odaym> it will still exist replman because you weren't given a solution, just telling you that there is a problem, no idea what you decided to do about it
May 18 08:31:53 <Odaym> its on SO I'm sure
May 18 08:32:31 <replman> Odaym: already searched SO, but didn't found anything. Maybe i used the wrong search terms
May 18 08:32:48 <Odaym> yea its not easy to search for this one
May 18 08:38:20 <garysday> Hey Guys, can someone tell me which is the APK for the TW launcher on Samsunt Node devices (Lollipop),
May 18 08:38:31 <garysday> is it /system/framework/twframework-res.apk
May 18 08:44:09 <bankai_> wrong channel
May 18 08:45:19 <replman> Mavrik: looks like you are right. If i set the recording size to the preview size, the colors are correct...
May 18 09:03:38 <barq> How can I find out, what theme is used for the AlertDialog.Builder. The method setPositiveButton does not specify a theme, it just returns a Builder. And if I look into builder there are several possible themes that can be used.
May 18 09:11:12 <barq> How can I get a border around the attr/buttonBarStyle?
May 18 09:20:52 <Nick-S> i have a client which claims that the fact that i am retrofit and he is using volley creates a problem when wifi is lost and 3g is regained
May 18 09:20:55 <Nick-S> does it make any sense?
May 18 09:27:40 <Odaym> there's a dagger 2?
May 18 09:27:41 <Odaym> lol
May 18 09:31:59 <Leeds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEXHeTcxQy4
May 18 09:32:22 <Leeds> may be slightly NSFW, depending on the W
May 18 09:35:17 <soulisson> Hi, i'm trying to learn more about broadcast receivers, my broadcast receiver for incoming call is only working when my application is started, is that normal?
May 18 09:35:39 <Odaym> can't see youtube here :\
May 18 09:36:14 <Ashiren> is it in manifest? do you have enough permissions
May 18 09:37:39 <soulisson> Ashiren, well the broadcast receiver is working when i launch my application, i expected the system to instantiate my broadcast receiver even when i didn't explictly started my application
May 18 09:39:28 <Odaym> nice BLE speaker deck, very nice he didn't miss anything https://speakerdeck.com/hugovisser/connecting-the-bean-the-bumpy-road-of-ble-on-android-1?utm_source=Android+Weekly&utm_campaign=b59a6e0142-Android_Weekly_153&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4eb677ad19-b59a6e0142-337905357
May 18 09:40:59 <Ashiren> soulisson: for that it must be in manifest
May 18 09:41:34 <soulisson> Ashiren, it's in the manifest
May 18 09:43:18 <soulisson> Ashiren, one sec let me try once more
May 18 09:43:42 <soulisson> Ashiren, the problem might come from the logcat filtering
May 18 09:45:25 <soulisson> Ashiren, yes, the problem was coming from my logcat filtering rules, sorry
May 18 10:00:37 <joroci> hey does anyone know what EXCEPTION FROM SIMULATION: expected type int[] but found float[] means?
May 18 10:01:07 <joroci> in android studio
May 18 10:10:27 <Nick-S> i'll try again, cuz i know it raises a big question, is there a way that retrofit and volley toegether on same app makes a problem?
May 18 10:24:59 <Odaym> danijoo, only Google analytics I am seeing that there are 26 sessions from the US, the app in question is not even on the store but it does have AdMob enabled and displays ads using the Test ID given by Admob, so it shows the same test add on all banners
May 18 10:25:24 <Odaym> any idea what could be causing this? I mean I haven't even given the apt to anyone since I implemented analytics, what the henn
May 18 10:25:59 <danijoo> are you located in the us?#
May 18 10:26:54 <Odaym> oh, no
May 18 10:27:15 <danijoo> mh. I thought it might be your test device(s)
May 18 10:27:21 <danijoo> no idea..
May 18 10:27:27 <Odaym> I even get an iOS session, what the fuck
May 18 10:27:36 <danijoo> lol
May 18 10:27:40 <danijoo> thats weird
May 18 10:27:59 <danijoo> i'd fill a bugreport
May 18 10:28:00 <Odaym> it shows N5 and S3, that's reasonable because I have those 2 devices and I use them for testing
May 18 10:28:16 <Odaym> but the map showing users is chock full of US users
May 18 10:28:18 <danijoo> are you seeing them in the live session thing?
May 18 10:28:26 <Odaym> nah, real time nothing of course
May 18 10:28:30 <Odaym> yea Im going to do as you said
May 18 10:30:11 <Odaym> Im going to look for a way to flush data
May 18 10:30:33 <Odaym> cause even when I started, I was seeing duplicate screen view events
May 18 10:32:09 <Odaym> I think it's all of those data sharing (spying) services you can opt in for when you create a new account
May 18 10:34:21 <Odaym> ok, starting fresh again
May 18 10:35:15 <barq> How can I find out what style AlertDialog.Builder.setPositiveButton is using for the button? I looked at the code, but the style is not defined in that method.
May 18 10:35:28 <Odaym> dude this is the 10th time you ask that question today
May 18 10:35:32 <Odaym> more than 1
May 18 10:35:34 <Odaym> 10*
May 18 10:35:44 <barq> So far no hints received.
May 18 10:36:01 <barq> Except for look in the jungle.
May 18 10:36:04 <osxorgate> i am trying to get an android build image in docker but i get an error during the 'android update sdk' command: "Failed to rename directory /opt/android-sdk-linux/tools to /opt/android-sdk-linux/temp/ToolPackage.old01." Any idea what's wrong and how to fix it? The build runs as root
May 18 10:36:06 <Odaym> then look elsewhere!
May 18 10:36:27 <barq> There are other people online now than before. But thanks for your help.
May 18 10:36:39 <Odaym> you could've got an answer long long ago
May 18 10:36:53 <barq> How?
May 18 10:36:54 <Odaym> but..ok :) good luck
May 18 10:37:02 <Odaym> you have to find that out
May 18 10:37:16 <Odaym> only you can prevent forest fires
May 18 10:37:18 <Odaym> luke...
May 18 10:38:19 <barq> Would you be so kind as to explain how?
May 18 10:41:58 <barq> Odaym: In the constructor of Builder the alertDialogTheme is mentioned as a comment. Is that what you are referring to?
May 18 10:41:59 <icemanbp> how go in the jungle or how to prevent forest fires? :-/
May 18 10:42:23 <icemanbp> make specific question please :(
May 18 10:42:54 <barq> icemanbp: You mean me?
May 18 10:42:59 <icemanbp> ye
May 18 10:43:05 <icemanbp> you barq
May 18 10:43:22 <barq>  <barq> How can I find out what style AlertDialog.Builder.setPositiveButton is using for the button?
May 18 10:43:44 <Odaym> you could've googled
May 18 10:43:47 <barq> Or rather, what is the style, if my question is not specific enough.
May 18 10:44:15 <barq> Of course I googled
May 18 10:44:37 <barq> But I only found how to change the theme, not how to use the default for a different use.
May 18 10:44:42 <Odaym> there is such a thing called App Theme
May 18 10:44:52 <Odaym> which all elements inside an app use to know what they should look like
May 18 10:45:03 <Odaym> change it and observe how magically things stop looking like they used to
May 18 10:45:30 <barq> I have Theme.Light.
May 18 10:45:31 <icemanbp> baraq http://bit.ly/1HpDQis
May 18 10:46:27 <Odaym> ez life
May 18 10:47:08 <barq> icemanbp: Again, those results are how to CHANGE the default, not how to use the default for a custom DialogFragment.
May 18 10:47:26 <icemanbp> you can try to reproduce the same
May 18 10:47:35 <icemanbp> by setting attributes
May 18 10:48:32 <wakelock> use the source, luke
May 18 10:49:42 <icemanbp> the strength it's the only way
May 18 10:50:39 <icemanbp> and if you look up to the sky, you will see Walker walking over the clouds
May 18 10:51:01 <barq> I only see his shadow. Holo.Dark.
May 18 10:51:07 <Odaym> there you go
May 18 10:51:09 <Odaym> that's a start
May 18 10:51:17 <Odaym> soon all your Exceptions will be forgiven
May 18 10:51:26 <Odaym> he will fix your null heart
May 18 10:51:39 <Odaym> and push you to the repo in the sky
May 18 10:52:01 <barq> I changed Theme.Light to Theme.Holo.Light. No change whatsoever.
May 18 10:52:14 <Odaym> did ANYTHING change?
May 18 10:52:18 <Odaym> about ANY OTHER ELEMENT?
May 18 10:52:31 <barq> All looks exactly the same.
May 18 10:52:36 <Odaym> then you changed in the wrong file :P
May 18 10:52:40 <Odaym> my god
May 18 10:52:46 <Odaym> slap yourself and man up
May 18 10:52:48 <Odaym> bbl
May 18 10:53:20 <barq> I changed AppBaseTheme parent
May 18 10:55:25 <Odaym> in what file, is the file you are editing applicable for the device
May 18 10:55:41 <Odaym> cause there are many values folders
May 18 10:55:48 <Odaym> I don't know man
May 18 10:56:00 <Odaym> kick up the timer again and keep asking the question above :P
May 18 10:56:28 <barq> Odaym: It's in styles.xml
May 18 10:56:35 <Odaym> ...
May 18 10:56:44 <barq> But I don't want to change the overall styles, just of the one Dialog.
May 18 10:57:14 <Odaym> ok man gl
May 18 10:57:16 <wakelock> you do know the alertdialog builder accepts theme ID as an optional argument, right?
May 18 10:57:21 <Odaym> try doing something else
May 18 10:57:34 <Odaym> show a Toast message for now :P
May 18 10:57:35 <barq> I am not using an AlertDialog
May 18 10:57:44 <barq> I am extending a DialogFragment.
May 18 10:57:54 <barq> If I were using AlertDialog.Builder I wouldn't be asking.
May 18 10:58:48 <osxorgate> why does the sdk archive require additional downloads? for example /tools getting updated
May 18 10:59:08 <Odaym> cause it has updates?
May 18 10:59:14 <Odaym> things change
May 18 10:59:30 <marekw2143> hi, when there's service A, and two applications, AP1 and AP2, when each of those application uses service A, will each service call be performed in process in which service A is running?
May 18 11:00:21 <barq> Odaym: How does it help that AlertDialog takes theme as optional param if I am not using AlertDialog?
May 18 11:00:22 <wakelock> yes
May 18 11:01:01 <marekw2143> wakelock, you've responded to my question ?
May 18 11:01:09 <Odaym> I wasn't the one talking about optional param for theme
May 18 11:01:10 <wakelock> yes
May 18 11:01:12 <Odaym> wakelock was
May 18 11:01:35 <wakelock> barq, it doesn't, I didn't know you're using fragments instead of builder
May 18 11:01:46 <marekw2143> wakelock, thanks ;)
May 18 11:02:07 <barq> wakelock: I want to find out the style that AlertDialog.Builder uses in order to use that style for a DialogFragment.
May 18 11:03:13 <Odaym> I would've found the answer by now
May 18 11:03:44 <barq> So would have I if I had gotten some input.
May 18 11:03:47 <Odaym> cause of the awesomeness
May 18 11:03:55 <Odaym> no input, I do it alone
May 18 11:04:03 <Odaym> I just rubber ducky here, I don't expect anyone to know or care :P
May 18 11:04:41 <Odaym> at least keep trying and report where you've reached, it gets people interested in solving what you're trying to solve, if it isn't silly
May 18 11:04:52 <Odaym> not just repeating your need for help
May 18 11:05:34 <barq> In the documentation for DialogFragment (http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/DialogFragment.html) there is the option of setting a style for the dialog by doing setStyle in the code.
May 18 11:06:12 <markpollard> i am having a problem adding a wifi network to a nexus 7 using WifiConfiguration wifiConfig = new WifiConfiguration(); it will work on a samsung tablet
May 18 11:06:13 <Odaym> great shit!
May 18 11:06:20 <Odaym> there should be a get then!
May 18 11:06:24 <markpollard> here is my code http://pastebin.com/5TqKzmdq
May 18 11:06:27 <Odaym> or SOMETHING
May 18 11:06:33 <markpollard> any help would be great
May 18 11:06:35 <Odaym> there's getTheme
May 18 11:06:42 <Odaym> returns int
May 18 11:11:01 <markpollard> ok i guess nobody knows
May 18 11:12:40 <Leeds> so exactly what problem are you having?
May 18 11:13:38 <markpollard> i cannot see the network i create on the nexus 7
May 18 11:13:43 <barq> Odaym: I need to know the style and theme though.
May 18 11:13:45 <wakelock> just saying "I have a problem" will get you responses...
May 18 11:14:47 <markpollard> Leeds:  i want to add a network and connect to it... it works on most other tablets except this nexus 7
May 18 11:15:02 <markpollard> i cannot see any errors
May 18 11:16:14 <barq> What is the name of this style/theme? http://i.stack.imgur.com/ijh4F.png
May 18 11:17:46 <markpollard> well i have explained the problem
May 18 11:19:04 <markpollard> is is adding a network cause this is returning 	Log.d("WifiPreference", "add Network returned " + netId);
May 18 11:19:23 <markpollard> but looks like its hidden in the wifi list
May 18 11:19:25 <wakelock> weird
May 18 11:19:33 <wakelock> barq, looks like holo light
May 18 11:19:40 <wakelock> or maybe material
May 18 11:19:49 <styler2go> how can i set an imageview asynchronsouly inside an recycler view?
May 18 11:20:36 <barq> wakelock: OK, if I use that the buttons are with grey background though as in https://cdn.tutsplus.com/mobile/uploads/legacy/Android-SDK_Password-Box/fig3.png
May 18 11:23:06 <markpollard> well i guess no experts here
May 18 11:23:26 <wakelock> this is standard gingerbread style, obviously you're not applying the theme correctly
May 18 11:24:00 <barq> I am doing setStyle(DialogFragment.STYLE_NO_FRAME, android.R.style.Theme_Holo_Light);
May 18 11:24:34 <wakelock> maybe you're doing it too late
May 18 11:24:35 <wakelock> dunno
May 18 11:25:13 <wakelock> markpollard, impatient much? correct, we're not experts, we're just enthusiasts
May 18 11:25:40 <markpollard> too late ?
May 18 11:25:50 <wakelock> ...
May 18 11:33:17 <wakelock> ok I have a question now. how come <include /> does not respect the included layout's margin? see here: http://pastebin.com/3T7jQwkw
May 18 11:34:12 <barq> It's 1dp everywhere.
May 18 11:34:52 <wakelock> ?
May 18 11:35:26 <Odaym> that's true wakelock
May 18 11:35:37 <wakelock> but why?
May 18 11:35:37 <Odaym> I tend to set the margin on the include element\
May 18 11:35:40 <Odaym> but why
May 18 11:35:40 <wakelock> is that a bug?
May 18 11:35:41 <Odaym> well
May 18 11:35:55 <Odaym> because it isn't aware of where its sitting in until its runtime
May 18 11:35:56 <Odaym> I would guess
May 18 11:36:03 <wakelock> what's the point in setting it in the "child" layout if it's going to get ignord?
May 18 11:36:06 <wakelock> +e
May 18 11:36:22 <wakelock> Odaym, doesn't matter, it is supposed to store that value for later use
May 18 11:36:36 <Odaym> and the file you're including can't detect that its being included so that it would warn you about uselessness of setting margin in that included file
May 18 11:36:41 <Odaym> makes sense to me
May 18 11:37:31 <replman> In cameraparameters we have previewsizes and videosizes. Do previewsizes always contain all videosizes?
May 18 11:37:32 <wakelock> doesn't make sense. if I can set the margin as an attribute to <include> then it should be able to figure out the margin from the root node of the included xml as well
May 18 11:37:47 <wakelock> Odaym, ^
May 18 11:38:22 <wakelock> I would like to set the margin in one place only and not have it scattered all across the xmls or (worse) set it in code somehow
May 18 11:39:15 <icedp> `However, if you want to override layout attributes using the <include> tag, you must override both android:layout_height and android:layout_width in order for other layout attributes to take effect.'
May 18 11:40:08 <wakelock> wow that's ridiculous, especially because the "inner" xml happily defines those as well
May 18 11:40:27 <wakelock> "inner" = included
May 18 11:40:28 <Odaym> it's cause of the parsing I'm sure
May 18 11:40:47 <wakelock> meh. makes no sense at all and could/should have been done better
May 18 11:40:54 <Odaym> it is ridiculous
May 18 11:41:07 <Odaym> these things must be unchanged regardless of how they end up being used
May 18 11:41:44 <icedp> write your own layout inflator
May 18 11:41:58 <Odaym> the fact that every single person who will try them will have to learn how they behave this way when in this specific case, means it's a bug :P
May 18 11:42:00 <Odaym> it should be intuitive
May 18 11:42:22 <wakelock> or "broken by design"
May 18 11:42:28 <Odaym> nah I wouldn't go that far
May 18 11:42:42 <wakelock> icedp, why don't I just write my own framework instead?
May 18 11:42:51 <wakelock> start my own version of the VM
May 18 11:43:11 <Odaym> it's a platform that allows you to do all of what you do, why rage at this :P
May 18 11:43:46 <wakelock> because it is stupid and trivial and broken and hinders my progress
May 18 11:44:07 <icedp> wakelock: I agree, but what should we do. http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/LayoutInflater.Factory.html it may be not that hard
May 18 11:44:18 <Odaym> file a bug about it
May 18 11:44:59 <Odaym> I know Im going to file a bug about this, for example https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/Google-Keep_Animation_bug.mp4
May 18 11:45:03 <Thorn> hello
May 18 11:45:24 <Odaym> I faced it and I found out that they face it too and yet they released the app regardless
May 18 11:45:50 <Odaym> namely, unreliable layout animations
May 18 11:46:18 <wakelock> as if tables aren't difficult and stubborn enough in android
May 18 11:46:21 <Thorn> how do I authenticate/link an app with a website account (which the user already has)? having to enter username/password in the app seems inconvenient and insecure
May 18 11:46:59 <danijoo> Thorn, OAuth
May 18 11:47:04 <Odaym> the website has to provide an API that will let you do that, Thorn
May 18 11:47:16 <Thorn> the website is under my control
May 18 11:47:30 <Odaym> send yourself an email, ask yourself about such an API and see if you offer it
May 18 11:47:34 <danijoo> Thorn, OAuth
May 18 11:47:36 <wakelock> Odaym, I will not file any bug reports, because: 1) I have filed bug reports before and they never EVER so much as look at it, and 2) it does me no good if they fix it in some future release, I need it fixed NOW, for CURRENT frameworks
May 18 11:47:37 <Thorn> so the user will have to login in chrome on the device?
May 18 11:48:07 <Odaym> I understand your frustration, but what use is it to rage?
May 18 11:48:13 <Odaym> you will achieve nothing and only waste tim
May 18 11:48:30 <danijoo> hes always raging ^^
May 18 11:48:32 <Thorn> what about generating a code in the app and entering it in the web control panel or vice versa?
May 18 11:48:35 <Odaym> I was like you man
May 18 11:48:38 <Odaym> but then I took an arrow in the knee
May 18 11:48:47 <danijoo> every day i see him hes like "fuck android" ^^'
May 18 11:49:13 <wakelock> danijoo, go make your woman fetch you beer instead :p
May 18 11:49:30 <Odaym> there is a reason why there are websites called "survivingwithandroid"
May 18 11:49:33 <danijoo> ;)
May 18 11:49:42 <Odaym> it ain't easy being cool, brah
May 18 11:50:04 <wakelock> I'm not raging btw, I'm just venting. there's a difference
May 18 11:50:10 <Odaym> renting
May 18 11:50:12 <wakelock> and now I will start working on a workaround
May 18 11:50:14 <danijoo> If something mocks you, change it. If you cant, take it or leave it.
May 18 11:50:22 <danijoo> Raging just wastes your and our time.
May 18 11:51:15 <wakelock> or, they can stop mocking. making fun of someone doesn't make you right and them wrong
May 18 11:53:16 <hert> hey guys where the assets folders is in android studio or has it been removed completely?
May 18 11:53:27 <danijoo> hert, you have to create it
May 18 11:54:22 <hert> ok thnx
May 18 11:54:23 <Odaym> here you go, wakelock https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2863#c9
May 18 11:54:26 <Odaym> since 2012
May 18 11:54:42 <Odaym> sorry 2010
May 18 11:55:14 <Odaym> and then in 2014, same thread https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2863#c27
May 18 11:56:17 <wakelock> ok, I see now why it gets ignored like that
May 18 11:56:22 <wakelock> unbelievably dumb of them
May 18 11:56:35 <danijoo> because nobody cares ^^
May 18 11:56:40 <danijoo> there are more important problem
May 18 11:56:42 <danijoo> s
May 18 11:57:04 <Odaym> yea like the one in my video above
May 18 11:57:40 <wakelock> all views throw an error if you don't define layout_width and layout_height, if the error gets thrown then obviously all other attributes get ignored, however apparently the inflater silently ignores the error as if nothing happened
May 18 11:57:53 <danijoo> Odaym, imagine being a google employee. You come to work and there are 3 things to do: wakelocks fill_parent, your animation issue and Android Lollipop memory leak on all nexus devices
May 18 11:57:57 <danijoo> what do you do? :p
May 18 11:58:00 <Odaym> are you passing null to the inflater, wakelock , by the way?
May 18 11:58:15 <Odaym> I orgasm in my mind cause I got hired by Google
May 18 11:58:21 <Odaym> das it
May 18 11:58:22 <wakelock> danijoo, yes, everybody's problem is the most important and nobody else's is that important
May 18 11:58:31 <danijoo> Odaym, thats why nobody works there :p
May 18 11:58:33 <Odaym> correct wakelock
May 18 11:58:37 <danijoo> orgasms everywhere :D
May 18 11:58:41 <Odaym> haha
May 18 11:58:48 <wakelock> Odaym, yes I pass null as the root
May 18 11:58:52 <Odaym> they walk into the office in the morning "OH MY GOD WE WORK AT GOOGLE!"
May 18 11:59:12 <wakelock> "somebody's had fun last night... AGAIN"
May 18 11:59:18 <Odaym> ok its unrelated wakelock I was just wondering
May 18 11:59:33 <Odaym> my friend works there
May 18 11:59:47 <Odaym> he slacked off a little and got carried away in the beginning, got a warning
May 18 12:00:24 <Odaym> individually I think we suck, but if we apply together...we have a shot
May 18 12:00:38 <Odaym> we could work there collectively as one entity
May 18 12:00:58 <wakelock> each getting $.12 from the collective paycheck
May 18 12:01:09 <Odaym> yea but you'd go to work in turn
May 18 12:01:23 <Odaym> representatives
May 18 12:01:26 <_rm> my guess is that android's whole layout and ui system was written by interns
May 18 12:01:45 <ventura> _rm: lol
May 18 12:01:50 <Odaym> to me layouts are the easiest part of android
May 18 12:01:58 <Odaym> I understood the game once, and that was it
May 18 12:02:03 <wakelock> _rm, it's not about who did it and why, it's about who would even think of releasing that
May 18 12:02:03 <_rm> yes, because they are terrible
May 18 12:02:25 <_rm> or well, layouts are fine
May 18 12:03:03 <danijoo> you are all welcome to contribute to AOSP and fix the bugs.
May 18 12:03:08 <Odaym> +
May 18 12:03:13 <Odaym> that's right by the way
May 18 12:03:43 <danijoo> for something like the include bug, there is a good chance that even a normal human being can do that
May 18 12:04:09 <danijoo> but there are only 2 kind of people it seems. the raging ones and the ones not giving enough fucks ;)
May 18 12:04:43 <Odaym> the raging fucks
May 18 12:04:48 <Odaym> welcome to earth
May 18 12:05:21 <danijoo> better rage 3 hours instead of fixing it in 1 ^^
May 18 12:05:33 <danijoo> or work arround it in 5 minutes
May 18 12:05:56 <wakelock> danijoo, you think it's easy but it isn't. having to maintain 100% backward compatibility (which google claims is guaranteed) sometimes means having to leave bugs alone
May 18 12:07:12 <wakelock> again, I am not raging. but if it bothers you, simply ignore it. it doesn't help pretending to be a smartass right now :p
May 18 12:07:37 <Thorn> if you don't line android layouts by all means try ios autolayout
May 18 12:07:52 <wakelock> btw... <include layout="@layout/tablecell_body" android:layout_width="fill_parent" android:layout_height="wrap_content" />  <--- STILL ignores the margin
May 18 12:08:00 <ventura> considering that the first android release was in 2008, when Java still was a language in growing popularity. the layout system in XML was a much better alternative than J2ME or JWT
May 18 12:08:09 <Thorn> variable row heights, hiding a control with margins, etc.
May 18 12:08:26 <ventura> complain about the framework based on the current tech is unfair
May 18 12:08:41 <Odaym> framedoesn'twork
May 18 12:08:42 <Odaym> lel
May 18 12:08:52 <_rm> on the other hand, when manipulating views with transforms and such, i'd fuckin pay money to have the ios layout system on android
May 18 12:09:09 <wakelock> ventura, this specific thing has nothing to do with "outdated tech" or "doing the best with whatever is available"
May 18 12:09:16 <danijoo> Im not pretending to be a smartass. Im just always wondering why people say google does not care about the issue tracker. Ofc there are lots of issues being "ignored", but just look at how many issues there are
May 18 12:09:40 <danijoo> and there are pretty active once is lots of support, too
May 18 12:09:43 <_rm> oh and gesture handling, ahh
May 18 12:10:11 <wakelock> meaning, you have to push HARD for anything to change. lovely.
May 18 12:10:56 <_rm> wakelock: i assume it's like apple's bug tracking, that issues are ignored unless there are lots of dupes
May 18 12:11:06 <_rm> or some other kind of noise about it
May 18 12:11:16 <wakelock> if the fix is truly as simple as you claimed above, then they should be well able to fix it despite it not being "popular" or "demanded"
May 18 12:12:00 <wakelock> btw I've seen some very popular and high-volume bug reports that either got ignored completely or got marked with "WONTFIX"
May 18 12:12:56 <danijoo> at least its a statement xD
May 18 12:13:05 <_rm> *shrug*
May 18 12:14:00 <danijoo> its 33910 sites of issues atm
May 18 12:14:09 <ventura> wakelock: maybe this was the best they could do based on what they could foresee by that time (i don’t have enough Android XP/MP to eval the architectural decisions)
May 18 12:14:09 <Odaym> wow
May 18 12:14:40 <danijoo> lets see if they reach the 50k before android 6 ^^
May 18 12:14:42 <Odaym> if I have 10 bugs I explode
May 18 12:15:01 <wakelock> ventura, if you look deep enough into this particular bug, you will see this was just a very dumb oversight and has nothing to do with "doing best with what you have"
May 18 12:15:08 <danijoo> well its for all build tools and the framework and ASOP
May 18 12:15:17 <Odaym> man, how early must Google be coming to work to be able to code all of that
May 18 12:15:20 <Odaym> what a guy
May 18 12:15:23 <wakelock> s/sites/pages/ maybe
May 18 12:15:24 <wakelock> ?
May 18 12:15:42 <wakelock> google never leaves work
May 18 12:16:42 <danijoo> I woudnt leave it if my workplace wood look like googles HQ
May 18 12:16:58 <Odaym> nah you'll get sick of it
May 18 12:17:01 <Odaym> 2nd week
May 18 12:17:09 <Odaym> you realize that "Oh, this too is work..."
May 18 12:17:28 <danijoo> not if you live where I live :D
May 18 12:17:38 <Odaym> you're europe
May 18 12:17:45 <Odaym> you have scenery and culture
May 18 12:18:01 <Odaym> I live in Beirut Lebanon
May 18 12:18:36 <danijoo> there might be more people working for google than living in my town ^^
May 18 12:18:49 <Odaym> ah you are EU?
May 18 12:18:53 <Odaym> I mean east europe?
May 18 12:19:02 <danijoo> no. germany
May 18 12:19:13 <Odaym> hey, Rocket Internet is there
May 18 12:19:15 <wakelock> lol, gmaps search for "beirut" immediately places me in "Hard Rock Cafe, Beirut"
May 18 12:19:22 <Odaym> that place closed
May 18 12:19:42 <Odaym> you're way better off living in Germany
May 18 12:20:01 <danijoo> its not bad here :)
May 18 12:20:08 <Odaym> bro, we don't have a president
May 18 12:20:11 <danijoo> i just have to move to a more urban area :)
May 18 12:20:35 <wakelock> Odaym, you are self governed? cool
May 18 12:20:44 <Odaym> no, they just haven't agreed on picking one
May 18 12:20:48 <Odaym> always in conflict
May 18 12:21:53 <Odaym> but good drugs here
May 18 12:21:55 <Odaym> world class
May 18 12:22:24 <Odaym> and there's me of course, I'm an asset to my country
May 18 12:22:39 <Odaym> "Beirut? Oh they have Oday there!"
May 18 12:23:02 <Odaym> no?
May 18 12:23:08 <Odaym> ok
May 18 12:23:23 <danijoo> :D
May 18 12:24:00 <danijoo> "Oday? Isnt that the guy with activities calling onStart as first callback?" :p
May 18 12:24:03 <wakelock> Odaym, that's more of a "better stay away" kind of argument :p
May 18 12:24:48 <wakelock> "Odaym? oh yeah, it's that guy that likes to ramble about layout animations all the time"
May 18 12:25:14 <Odaym> haha onstart before oncreate
May 18 12:25:18 <danijoo> ^^
May 18 12:25:57 <wakelock> hey I have an idea
May 18 12:26:01 <wakelock> ODAYM FOR PRESIDENT
May 18 12:26:07 <Odaym> of Google
May 18 12:26:23 <Odaym> here you have to belong to a certain sect to be president
May 18 12:26:26 <Odaym> you have to be catholic
May 18 12:26:32 <Odaym> other sects for other positions
May 18 12:26:53 <wakelock> eh, you have to sell your soul to be any kind of president anyway
May 18 12:27:05 <Odaym> well, bbl , lunch
May 18 12:27:24 <ventura> Odaym: here you have to belong to a certain sect to be president —> as most of nations, i think
May 18 12:27:26 <wakelock> (he's going to eat souls)
May 18 12:29:32 <ventura> game of thrones is a lesson about politics: you need to have dragons (daenerys), gold (lannisters), or sell your soul (little finger)
May 18 12:29:49 <ventura> otherwise you are f****
May 18 12:32:09 <Odaym> nah it's just sectarianism rule
May 18 12:32:15 <Odaym> cause there are about 18 sects here
May 18 12:33:02 <ventura> Odaym: have you worked with ContentProviders + SyncAdapter?
May 18 12:33:15 <Odaym> no
May 18 12:33:22 <Odaym> afraid
May 18 12:33:29 <Odaym> lel
May 18 12:33:46 <Odaym> honestly no, not fear, just no use case
May 18 12:33:57 <Odaym> but then again I don't know what they do, so I cannot know if I have a use case for them or not :P
May 18 12:34:00 <Odaym> the cycle of nobodies
May 18 12:34:04 <danijoo> SyncAdapter has the worst implementation ever XD
May 18 12:34:05 <Odaym> noobness*
May 18 12:34:13 <Odaym> you don't know and you don't know that you don't know
May 18 12:34:16 <danijoo> nothing can beat that xD
May 18 12:34:18 <Odaym> mind blown
May 18 12:34:42 <wakelock> ignorance is bliss, they say
May 18 12:34:48 <ventura> Odaym: it is not hard, only painful and boring
May 18 12:34:58 <Odaym> why do you ask?
May 18 12:35:46 <ventura> Odaym: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXn3Kg2IQE Google I/O 2010 - Android REST Client Applications
May 18 12:35:52 <Odaym> I can't see youtube here
May 18 12:36:10 <Odaym> I know I can pick it up if I wanted, but meh, these are things you worry about when you get to them
May 18 12:36:14 <Odaym> what was your question?
May 18 12:36:23 <wakelock> need to be in a certain sect in order to access youtube?
May 18 12:36:27 <ventura> Odaym: I am tring to use ContentProvider as a Facade Pattern do RESTful api
May 18 12:36:43 <Odaym> one of those keywords can be removed I'm sure
May 18 12:36:47 <Odaym> see Square libraries :P
May 18 12:37:00 <Odaym> no wakelock but here at work they treat you like a employee before human being
May 18 12:37:10 <Odaym> so you cannot access things that will deter you from your job
May 18 12:37:19 <wakelock> not unlike any other company
May 18 12:37:31 <Odaym> there are places that don't do that
May 18 12:37:31 <wakelock> I also have no access to youtube at work... at least technically ;)
May 18 12:37:42 <ventura> Odaym: the maps the ContentProvider to HTTPS
May 18 12:37:48 <ventura> insert <—> GET
May 18 12:37:51 <danijoo> catvideos increase productivity
May 18 12:37:58 <danijoo> tell them that
May 18 12:37:58 <ventura> sorry
May 18 12:38:03 <ventura> insert <—> POST
May 18 12:38:08 <ventura> query <—> GET
May 18 12:38:09 <ventura> etc
May 18 12:38:12 <Odaym> why are you under the impression that I can help
May 18 12:38:19 <ventura> danijoo++
May 18 12:38:24 <wakelock> because you're an asset
May 18 12:38:31 <Odaym> well Im part of an asset
May 18 12:38:33 <Odaym> haha
May 18 12:38:36 <Odaym> the ass part
May 18 12:38:38 <Odaym> lel
May 18 12:39:07 <ventura> Odaym: but I found no explanation about what would you do when you try to query a data that is on the server that is not at the SQLite yet
May 18 12:39:49 <Odaym> API of course
May 18 12:39:50 <danijoo> uploading my first app to amazon store.. lets see if I hit the 100 installs :p
May 18 12:39:57 <Odaym> its really crap there
May 18 12:40:00 <wakelock> Odaym, you're pretty much the loudest one in here right now, of course he'd think you can help :p
May 18 12:40:05 <Odaym> but then again I uploaded crap to it :P
May 18 12:40:11 <Odaym> true wakelock
May 18 12:40:16 <Odaym> just don't feel like working today
May 18 12:40:32 <wakelock> go watch cat videos
May 18 12:40:34 <wakelock> in your head
May 18 12:40:42 <ventura> wakelock: any idea bout it?
May 18 12:40:51 <wakelock> nope
May 18 12:41:19 <wakelock> are you going to individually ask every single person that says anything? :p
May 18 12:41:37 <ventura> why not? it is an O(n) algorithm XD
May 18 12:41:56 <danijoo> amazon is so funny
May 18 12:42:06 <wakelock> ugh don't mention complexity please
May 18 12:42:07 <danijoo> they let a monkey runner test your app everytime you upload it
May 18 12:42:12 <wakelock> have an upcoming interview
May 18 12:42:17 <ircfox_> Hello folks!
May 18 12:42:17 <wakelock> need to demonstrate coding and such
May 18 12:42:18 <danijoo> and you can see the screenshots from it ^^
May 18 12:42:29 <wakelock> complexity is one of my weakest points by far
May 18 12:42:42 <wakelock> algorithm complexity*
May 18 12:43:28 <ventura> wakelock: take a look at Programming Challenges, Algorith Design Manual (by Steven Skiena)
May 18 12:43:42 <ircfox_> I got a ListView on a Fragment where each line corresponds a given database entry. How do I get the name of it?
May 18 12:44:04 <ventura> wakelock: and Python Algorithms (by Magnus Lie Hetland)
May 18 12:44:07 <ircfox_> I mean from inside a OnItemClickedListener method.
May 18 12:44:40 <wakelock> hm why python? I'm not proficient in python either
May 18 12:45:07 <ventura> wakelock: you can learn python in half a day
May 18 12:45:22 <wakelock> but I don't want to :p
May 18 12:45:27 <wakelock> I just don't like it
May 18 12:46:07 <ventura> ircfox_: you mean name == a database column?
May 18 12:47:51 <ircfox_> ventura: yes, but it is the ListContent text as well. From inside OnItemClickedListener method I have the position of the list view but I don't think I can get the name of it.
May 18 12:54:35 <ventura> ircfox_: public void onItemClick(AdapterView<?> parent, View view, int position, long id)
May 18 12:54:53 <ventura> parent.getAdapter().getItem(position)
May 18 12:55:06 <ircfox_> ventura: the ListView text I got from a database column. When a user clicks on a ListView line it calls the OnItemClickedListener method and from inside of it I am planning to "treat" it. How can I figure which line was clicked from inside OnItemClickedListener method?
May 18 12:55:27 <ircfox_> Oh.. le me test it.
May 18 12:55:52 <ventura> position == list index, not the db primary key
May 18 12:56:24 <ircfox_> ventura: yeah, I figured it.
May 18 12:58:17 <ircfox_> what I will be receiving back from parent.getAdapter().getItem(position) ?
May 18 12:59:39 <ventura> the adapter
May 18 13:00:10 <t2mkn> what should be the diension of header image for a drawer acording to material design ?
May 18 13:00:15 <Odaym> you can learn chess in 10 minutes
May 18 13:00:16 <Odaym> so what
May 18 13:04:40 <chrstfer> im trying to install cm12 on my gs5a with safestrap. should I just use the s5 rom and install it under safestrap?
May 18 13:05:56 <Leeds> chrstfer: wrong channel
May 18 13:06:03 <t2mkn> chrstfer: android-root people may help better
May 18 13:06:15 <chrstfer> yeah I noticed, my b, thanks
May 18 13:13:17 <chrstfer> android-root is pretty dead atm though, unfortunately
May 18 13:16:29 <Odaym> it's dead
May 18 13:16:30 <Odaym> forever
May 18 13:16:59 <Odaym> #android-dev is the only channel remaining on friend
May 18 13:18:35 <chrstfer> "on friend"?
May 18 13:18:46 <chrstfer> or were you calling me friend
May 18 13:19:05 <Odaym> freenode
May 18 13:19:08 <Odaym> autocorrect...
May 18 13:20:52 <Odaym> its off now
May 18 13:25:55 <chrstfer> well... its still there and full of it..
May 18 13:51:47 <min2> how we can pull the networkresponse object from ExecutionException object?
May 18 13:52:00 <joshkovach> JakeWharton: Dagger 2 doesn't have module overrides yet does it?
May 18 13:54:05 <min2> i am able to see the complete details in executionException object but now unable to get networkresponse and error status code from it
May 18 13:58:16 <android-dev559> Hello everyone, is it possible to add a delay to an Action Bar? For instance, show action bar, keep it there for three seconds, then hide it.
May 18 13:59:00 <eghdk> android-dev559: I think toolbar you can. cuz toolbar is a view.
May 18 13:59:53 <android-dev559> Why a toolbar?
May 18 14:01:58 <android-dev559> Ohhh, so you mean, put the progress bar IN the toolbar?
May 18 14:02:02 <android-dev559> I see, i see.
May 18 14:02:24 <joshkovach> so build-dependent dependencies need to be provided in build-specific modules...
May 18 14:02:47 <android-dev559> I read trough the documentation and i saw " android:indeterminateDuration ". Shouldn't that be usable?
May 18 14:02:48 <ventura> android-dev559: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26510000/how-can-i-place-a-progressbar-at-the-right-of-the-toolbar
May 18 14:03:35 <min2> volley: how to pull status code information from ExecutionException object?
May 18 14:03:54 <android-dev559> thank you ventura, eghdk
May 18 14:04:07 <min2> anybody have experience this issue
May 18 14:04:37 <min2> i am able to get Throwable obect using ,getCause() method
May 18 14:07:03 <xgearx> Hello! Can someone suggest the way how to measure battery usage per app? I found that earlier it was possible to gather info using batteryinfo service but i can't even find code example for this. So, any suggestions?
May 18 14:08:25 <Odaym> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15144127/battery-information-service-to-monitor-battery-status-etc
May 18 14:08:31 <Odaym> looks like code to me
May 18 14:14:38 <ircfox_> ventura: How can I obtain the adapter from a longClick event ?
May 18 14:15:36 <ircfox_> OnLongClickListener overrides onLongClick(View v) method.
May 18 14:16:08 <ircfox_> Instead of onItemClick(AdapterView<?> av, View view, int position, long id).
May 18 14:17:57 <xgearx> Odaym: it is very bad and useless code)
May 18 14:18:15 <ircfox_> Ok, sorry, I got it. There is a setOnItemLongClickListener method also.
May 18 14:18:19 <Odaym> cause it didn't work? :P
May 18 14:23:38 <ventura> ircfox_: no problemo
May 18 14:23:43 <xgearx> Odaym: cause it looks like code piece of sh*t
May 18 14:24:04 <ircfox_> ventura: ;)
May 18 14:24:21 <JakeWharton> joshkovach: no, and it's highly unlikely it will ever get them
May 18 14:24:40 <Odaym> haha
May 18 14:24:49 <Odaym> how can code have that characteristic
May 18 14:29:32 <Odaym> man, Parceler is a really nice library
May 18 14:29:47 <Odaym> what a nice guy
May 18 14:34:34 <Muted> Hi I'm looking to sync my android app with an SQL database. However it seems like there aren't any good standard protocols for this. I'm kindof looking for something like rsync but then between my app and server. Any ideas?
May 18 14:35:17 <danijoo> Muted, how bis is the db?
May 18 14:35:35 <danijoo> in rows
May 18 14:37:59 <Muted> euhm good question, at the moment like 50, but hopefulle 10k soon :)
May 18 14:38:20 <danijoo> for 50 i'd say use http and send them via json
May 18 14:38:25 <danijoo> for 10k... not
May 18 14:38:59 <danijoo> do you really need them all on the device? you could build a rest service on your database and query rows when they are needed
May 18 14:39:47 <Muted> nono, there's info stored on the DB and the user will only have access to a very brief part of that information
May 18 14:41:18 <Muted> for instance if there's a group of users and some other user adds someone into the group, all other people should be able to see him under users in group
May 18 14:41:33 <Muted> but groups will rarely change, so I sont want to have to download the group like every 5 minutes
May 18 14:42:40 <Muted> While this is a very simple sync issue, it becomes tricker I think if the DB also needs to get new information from app. While this isn't the case at the moment it just seems easier to have these bases covered with something like rsync
May 18 14:44:59 <danijoo> hm.. this sounds like you should overthink your design
May 18 14:45:37 <danijoo> for your example the phone does not need to check if the group changes every few minutes if you use GCM for example
May 18 14:45:49 <danijoo> just send a push notification to all users of the group that their group have changed
May 18 14:46:33 <danijoo> if there is no change, theres no need for the device to look for one every x times.
May 18 14:46:56 <Muted> Thats true, but if it did change, then what? You download the entire group list or just the delta?
May 18 14:47:20 <danijoo> the phone only needs to know about a few groups
May 18 14:47:34 <Muted> I like the ideo of the delta but the problem is than if it should go out of sync at somepoint, you need some backup system
May 18 14:47:41 <Muted> Thats true
May 18 14:47:42 <danijoo> if i had to build something like whatsapp i would let the phone download all groups the logged in user is in
May 18 14:47:52 <danijoo> that would only be a few kb of data in json format
May 18 14:48:05 <danijoo> can be easily transfered through a http request to a REST api
May 18 14:48:07 <Muted> really? so also all history and stuff that comes along with the chat?
May 18 14:48:32 <danijoo> i'd not save any history on the server at all
May 18 14:48:43 <danijoo> thats gigabytes of garbage data :p
May 18 14:48:54 <Muted> haha lol
May 18 14:49:09 <danijoo> noone does that. not even the big players in the business
May 18 14:49:33 <Muted> so that would mean, take whatsapp, if I delete a conversation with some person, I would not be able to recouperate that?
May 18 14:50:10 <danijoo> correct
May 18 14:50:31 <danijoo> if you factory reset your phone and reinstall whatsapp, all conversation data is lost
May 18 14:50:35 <danijoo> if you dont export/import it
May 18 14:50:40 <Muted> and so using GCM is less battery intensive than requestion a "do I have new data?" every 5 min or so?
May 18 14:50:50 <Muted> yes thats true, good point
May 18 14:51:20 <danijoo> yeah. gcm is way more batterysave
May 18 14:51:30 <danijoo> to stay with whatsapp, they are using GCM ;)
May 18 14:51:47 <danijoo> I guess the same goes for services like facebook, twitter and whatever
May 18 14:52:01 <pfn> how do those services work on kindle, I wonder
May 18 14:52:28 <danijoo> pfn, I guess a second build flavour using amazones push service
May 18 14:52:38 <pfn> possibly
May 18 14:52:46 <pfn> I imagine they all build their own push services though
May 18 14:53:16 <danijoo> pfn, whatsapp states in their FAQ that they use GCM
May 18 14:53:24 <pfn> indeed
May 18 14:54:02 <Muted> Ok, well thanks for your help! I'll probalby go with GCM then. =)
May 18 14:55:15 <yiati> Would onErrorResumeNext be the best place to catch 401s with rxjava?
May 18 14:56:33 <alexfu> can a service have a null Application ref?
May 18 14:56:48 <danijoo> alexfu, afaik no. it runs in the same task
May 18 14:57:34 <ventura> danijoo: the “use”. probably they use polling when the activity is in context, and only gcm when it is paused
May 18 14:58:31 <ventura> because you could experience some delay on the UX if the push takes to long to arrive
May 18 14:58:48 <danijoo> why should a push delay the ui?
May 18 14:59:17 <pfn> alexfu, no
May 18 14:59:21 <ventura> imagine we are chatting just like now
May 18 14:59:48 <ventura> and the backend send a push to sync to get a new message
May 18 15:00:29 <ventura> if it takes to long to arrive, i could have sent 10 messages until you app receive the push and trigger the GET
May 18 15:00:38 <ventura> causing a bad user experience
May 18 15:01:54 <ventura> so, the program is active, you could use polling in order to not cause this delay experience
May 18 15:02:09 <pfn> polling is bad
May 18 15:02:17 <pfn> and you don't use push messaging during interactive chat
May 18 15:02:18 <danijoo> i dunno. i didnt use gcm in production yet
May 18 15:02:24 <danijoo> but i dont thing GCM is that slow ;)
May 18 15:02:30 <pfn> you use push notification to alert the user that they should begin interactivity
May 18 15:02:43 <ventura> pfn: that is my point
May 18 15:03:13 <ventura> you don’t send a message through a push, only notify the app to start a sync
May 18 15:03:20 <danijoo> i think i once read whatapp uses a protocol derived from xmpp once the app is open
May 18 15:03:39 <dragorn> if the ui is active you should probably have an active method of receiving events.  Push will wake you up if you're not active and use less power when the device isn't on.
May 18 15:04:06 <dragorn> ventura, you can do whatever you want with push.  depending on what you're sending and if you want to pass it through google, you can push the entire content of your event OR just use it as a wakeup to initiate your own query
May 18 15:04:54 <danijoo> dragorn, nope. push as a pretty tight limit of size
May 18 15:05:31 <ventura> 4KB
May 18 15:05:37 <dragorn> danijoo, not that tight
May 18 15:05:48 <dragorn> danijoo, unless you're pushing ridiculously large content for your events
May 18 15:06:52 <pfn> so don't push more than 4k...
May 18 15:06:54 <pfn> not that hard
May 18 15:07:02 <dragorn> yeah.  4k.  Apples is a lot tighter.  4k is huge for a push event tho
May 18 15:07:06 <pfn> just push the bare minimum so that your app knows what is going on, and can wake up
May 18 15:07:09 <pfn> and do the right thing
May 18 15:07:15 <pfn> and yeah, 4k is huge
May 18 15:07:55 <dragorn> obviously you CAN wake up and retreive your own thing.  You can also get the whole message, if you're not privacy oriented or if the content is encrypted.  Sure, you can't push like an animated gif in the message itself, but why would you?
May 18 15:08:12 <dragorn> there's tons of options, fortunately.  do whatever.
May 18 15:08:52 <pfn> timtowtdi
May 18 15:09:37 <ventura> AWS Push Notification Service, Parse Push Notification, etc…
May 18 15:09:54 <danijoo> http://www.quora.com/How-does-messaging-work-in-WhatsApp
May 18 15:15:25 <tjbiddle> Hey guys. I have an OpenGL GL2SurfaceView that's empty, and once it's drawn on one of my other layouts gets pushed to the bottom. How can I force it on top? I've lost track of what I've tried, but throwing everything in a framelayout and mucking around with different options there has been the gist of it. Happy to re-try things
May 18 15:15:58 <joroci> where in the sdk is the underline drawable for edittext?
May 18 15:20:12 <dragorn> tjbiddle, if i recall (and it's been quite a while for me, too), surfaceview does funky z-axis stuff and generally doesn't work well if it's not the only thing there
May 18 15:20:21 <dragorn> tjbiddle, or in other words, i think I had the same problem and never solved it either
May 18 15:20:51 <tjbiddle> dragorn: Gah. Frustrating. It's being used as a WebRTC container with opengl renders. Hm.
May 18 15:20:58 <tjbiddle> I spent all day Friday working on it with no progress
May 18 15:21:52 <dragorn> this was 2 years ago I messed with it, if I recall, surfaceview didn't behave right w/ z-axis, and textureview has some fatal API errors where it's impossible to know you've been destroyed mid-render-cycle (ie user rotates, leaves app, etc) and then it crashes deep in native gl code
May 18 15:22:06 <dragorn> I ended up just using a regular view, I think.  It's a bit hazy.
May 18 15:26:09 <pfn> hmm, dragsortlistview no longer maintained?
May 18 15:34:37 <tjbiddle> Where can I edit my local.properties for Gradle? The one in the root of my project says it will be erased by Android Studio
May 18 15:37:11 <ventura> tjbiddle: everytime you import a project to android studio, local.properties is rewritten
May 18 15:37:29 <tjbiddle> ventura: Is there an area in the the AS settings where can tweak?
May 18 15:37:39 <tjbiddle> Just trying to get more performance. Compilation is slow
May 18 15:38:20 <ventura> 1. what you wanna tweak?
May 18 15:38:31 <ventura> 2. remove if from gitignore if you wish to save it
May 18 15:38:45 <tjbiddle> ventura: http://stackoverflow.com/a/27361044/1125714
May 18 15:38:49 <danijoo> ~/.gradle/gradle.properties
May 18 15:39:49 <ventura> tjbiddle: gradle.properties instead of local.properties, as mentioned by danijoo
May 18 15:40:15 <tjbiddle> danijoo: Not there currently - I'll create it. I do know that AS keeps setting up a whole gradle/ directory in my folder; haven't had time to figure out why. But I think it's setting up a local installation in there and not using my system copy. Think it'll still use my home directory settings?
May 18 15:40:18 <tjbiddle> (Will try regardless)
May 18 15:40:25 <tjbiddle> But no idea how I can prove if it's being used lol
May 18 15:40:43 <danijoo> try it :) i dunno
May 18 15:41:13 * tjbiddle shrugs
May 18 15:41:14 <tjbiddle> Haha thanks
May 18 15:42:18 <tjbiddle> Since I've been working on Android dev I swear half my job is just waiting for compilation to complete. All I can think is: https://xkcd.com/303/
May 18 15:46:33 <ventura> tjbiddle: it is keeping a whole gradle setup because your AS is configured to do so
May 18 15:47:07 <tjbiddle> ventura: Oh I'm sure it is. Just haven't bothered to tweak it.
May 18 15:47:08 <tjbiddle> :p
May 18 15:52:02 <pfn> ugh, fabtoolbar kinda sucks
May 18 15:53:43 <tjbiddle> pfn: The https://github.com/AlexKolpa/fab-toolbar library - or just in general?
May 18 15:54:54 <icedp> ah fab toolbar is the thing now
May 18 15:55:08 <icedp> reminds me of a 2.x options menu which I missed
May 18 15:55:30 <bhans> nice fap toolbar
May 18 15:56:21 <pfn> tjbiddle, that library
May 18 15:56:43 <csst0111> how am i going to add some marginTop for my ListFragment ?
May 18 15:57:56 <pfn> and circularreveal isn't on maven central, how annoying
May 18 15:58:08 <danijoo> the same way you do it for every other view
May 18 15:59:32 <csst0111> not between items but from the top of the layout only
May 18 16:00:15 <danijoo> im talking about the top of the layout
May 18 16:00:57 <tjbiddle> dragorn: http://stackoverflow.com/a/21374827/1125714 Worked for me :-D
May 18 16:01:23 <dragorn> tjbiddle, cool, maybe they fixed it
May 18 16:01:32 <dragorn> tjbiddle, this was easily 1.5-2 years ago
May 18 16:02:48 <tjbiddle> dragorn: Yeah. Definitely looks like we're not the first to have run into the problem though.
May 18 16:04:52 <No3x> Hey guys. Is it possible to test another app, with use of a testing framework like robotium, - without modifications to the target app?
May 18 16:05:09 <No3x> Mainly UI interaction
May 18 16:05:20 <csst0111> danijoo, yes you are right - I had my toolbar inside the FrameLayout :P
May 18 16:13:49 <joshkovach> anyone testing on travis-ci?
May 18 16:14:17 <Mavrik> nope, their Android support is terrible
May 18 16:14:21 <joshkovach> my tests are erroring out because it can't find any of the support 22.1.1 libs
May 18 16:25:46 <SimonVT> You need to tell it to download it
May 18 16:26:21 <SimonVT> Add extra-android-m2repository to components
May 18 16:27:43 <joshkovach> SimonVT: thanks, trying that now
May 18 16:28:13 <SimonVT> Mavrik: I don't think it's terrible
May 18 16:28:38 <SimonVT> Not since they added actual android support
May 18 16:30:02 <danijoo> did they also support the new unit test feature yet?
May 18 16:30:56 <SimonVT> All they need to support is downloading of the sdk, rest is gradle
May 18 16:31:01 <SimonVT> So sure, it works
May 18 16:40:31 <Datasmurfen> Does anyone know the size for custom background image in the Action Bar ?
May 18 16:44:20 <joshkovach> ... > Could not find com.squareup.leakcanary:leakcanary-analyzer:1.3.
May 18 16:50:04 <g00s> joshkovach leakcanary 1.3.1 is there
May 18 16:50:23 <g00s> http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cleakcanary
May 18 16:51:23 <joshkovach> local can't seem to find the analyzer... but I'm also using jcenter...
May 18 16:54:14 <g00s> i still need to give it a try
May 18 16:54:21 <g00s> seems pretty useful though
May 18 17:00:35 <Nick-S> hey guys, tell me soemthing, if i need to go about http requests, no retrofit, volley, ok http what should i take care of?
May 18 17:01:38 <g00s> Nick-S why not use okhttp ?
May 18 17:02:05 <Nick-S> i have a client saying he's using volley and i am using retrofit for an sdk, and he seem to have proven that it leads to a problem
May 18 17:02:29 <Nick-S> i don't know if adding okhttp will make things better
May 18 17:02:39 <Nick-S> i am currently using retrofit without okhttp there
May 18 17:02:53 <Nick-S> i know if i add to the bundle the okhttp it will be usd automatically
May 18 17:05:00 <Nick-S> ?
May 18 17:05:09 <joshkovach> Re: leakcanary on jcenter https://github.com/square/leakcanary/issues/117
May 18 17:05:33 <danijoo> wow. I never thought I see a this: "We accepted you appeal and the app has been reinstated."
May 18 17:05:57 <danijoo> faith in humanity restored
May 18 17:06:29 <g00s> danijoo your app ?
May 18 17:06:34 <Sculptor> what was the issue daniele_athome
May 18 17:06:38 <Sculptor> danijoo*
May 18 17:06:43 <danijoo> g00s, yes.
May 18 17:07:00 <danijoo> keyword spam
May 18 17:07:01 <g00s> danijoo thats great news
May 18 17:07:03 <danijoo> ^^
May 18 17:07:33 <danijoo> but "forced" keyword spam... I had to include a third party "this app is not endores with blabla" in it
May 18 17:07:51 <danijoo> and those legal texts always mention the company 5 times in every sentence, you know
May 18 17:07:56 <Sculptor> hah i had keyword spam before
May 18 17:07:59 <alexfu> if i've got a bunch of mock classes that needs to be shared between unit tests and instrumentation, where's the best place to put them? in debug?
May 18 17:08:18 <Sculptor> i fixed it after a cold google email
May 18 17:08:31 <danijoo> [The title of your Project] isn’t endorsed by Riot Games and doesn’t reflect the views or opinions of Riot Games. Riot Games are trademarks or registered trademarks of Riot Games, Inc.
May 18 17:08:39 <Sculptor> i did not like the tone of that email one bit
May 18 17:08:56 <danijoo> that triggered the spam algorithms.
May 18 17:09:06 <g00s> danijoo i have seen that happen before
May 18 17:09:12 <g00s> its been going on for years
May 18 17:09:38 <danijoo> g00s, i worked arround it by replacing it with a oneliner.
May 18 17:09:53 <danijoo> if riot contacts be because of that ill put a screenshot with that text in the description
May 18 17:09:54 <lasserix> Typically when you have a refresher layout, the content is not interactable while refreshing, ?
May 18 17:10:31 <danijoo> but I was really afraid because its my second app being update-rejected in 1 week
May 18 17:11:05 <danijoo> the second one is lost though
May 18 17:12:51 <lasserix> If you implement a refresher layout for a listview say, should the listview will be touchable while refreshing?
May 18 17:15:20 <Exclusive> Hi, can anyone help me out with Google Maps? I have a map runnning live updates on a bus. I update the map with Map.MoveCamera() but when I do this I get white artifacts in the map like this : http://d.uia.io/1s6k7.jpg Can anyone tell my the reason why? And if it is possible to get rid of this?
May 18 17:16:15 <Exclusive> They flicker in both horizontal and vertical position, on every move.. I would say I move the camera with a 0.5s interval.
May 18 17:21:10 <ventura> nebiros: /whois ventura
May 18 17:21:46 <joshkovach> SimonVT: is there a way to add --stacktrace to my gradle command on travis-ci?
May 18 17:23:19 <JakeWharton> install: ./gradlew assemble --stacktrace
May 18 17:23:19 <JakeWharton> test: ./gradlew check --stacktrace
May 18 17:24:30 <joshkovach> is check the way to run unit+instrumentation tests?
May 18 17:24:49 <JakeWharton> unit only
May 18 17:25:27 <JakeWharton> if it's an Android project the test command is 'build connectedCheck'
May 18 17:25:37 <JakeWharton> http://docs.travis-ci.com/user/languages/android/
May 18 17:27:01 <joshkovach> thanks
May 18 17:27:47 <ventura> n1ftyn8: sorry for taking so long… you can remove the /gradle from you project and AS should work perfectly
May 18 17:28:22 <ventura> but if you need you use the CLI, first you will have to build gradle wrapper
May 18 17:28:29 <ventura> $ gradle wrapper
May 18 17:28:38 <ventura> $ gradlew assembleDebug
May 18 17:39:46 <wakelock> lol http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#MEASURED_SIZE_MASK
May 18 17:39:51 <wakelock> "Bits of getMeasuredWidthAndState() and getMeasuredWidthAndState() ..."
May 18 17:41:16 <pfn> what's lol about that
May 18 17:42:54 <wakelock> pretty sure the second getMeasuredWidthAndState should really be getMeasuredHeightAndState
May 18 17:43:09 <wakelock> the same typo repeats a few times there
May 18 17:45:06 <g00s> this is lol https://developers.google.com/reference/com/google/android/gms/tagmanager/DataLayer
May 18 17:45:32 <wakelock> 404?
May 18 17:45:42 <g00s> yeah, in 2015
May 18 17:45:47 <danijoo> ^^
May 18 17:46:05 <danijoo> did anyone here ever publish to amazone store?
May 18 17:46:16 <wakelock> yes, you did :p
May 18 17:46:39 <danijoo> wakelock, thats what I thought
May 18 17:46:56 <danijoo> but its not available
May 18 17:47:13 <danijoo> and the dev console only states the app as "approved". nothing about being published
May 18 17:47:17 <danijoo> and theres no button for it
May 18 17:47:28 <wakelock> waiting game
May 18 17:47:34 <danijoo> maybe :)
May 18 17:50:55 <itsme> i have nexus 5 running lollipop, trying to root on ubuntu machine. when i try to flash recovery i on the terminal it gets stuck waiting for the device. Any help?
May 18 17:51:14 <danijoo> itsme, not here
May 18 17:51:19 <danijoo> see chanel topic
May 18 17:51:48 <itsme> where do i go?
May 18 17:51:55 <danijoo> itsme, see channel topic
May 18 17:52:09 <itsme> do you know any other channels
May 18 17:52:27 <jaana_> #android-root
May 18 17:52:33 <itsme> thanks
May 18 17:52:38 * danijoo sighs
May 18 17:52:54 <itsme> what?
May 18 17:53:05 <danijoo> did I mention its in the topic? ^^
May 18 17:53:23 <itsme> oh
May 18 17:53:32 <danijoo> :p
May 18 17:53:40 <itsme> >:-D
May 18 17:54:31 <joshkovach> anyone had success with using retrolambda on travis-ci?
May 18 17:54:51 <danijoo> travis-ci not free for private repos :(
May 18 18:01:06 <DarkChaoz> i want to import this app into my app project however im using eclipse
May 18 18:01:07 <DarkChaoz> https://github.com/pocmo/Yaaic
May 18 18:01:25 <DarkChaoz> any idea how i can import that app into my current app project on eclipse?
May 18 18:02:51 <pocmo> Eclipse? :p
May 18 18:05:30 <jaana_> ~eclipse++
May 18 18:07:48 <groxx> DarkChaoz: I think Eclipse has an "import gradle project" option?  not sure :|  worst-case, copy/paste a bunch of files into a new mostly-blank project.
May 18 18:09:06 <DarkChaoz> unfortunately it doesnt have that option D:
May 18 18:09:12 <JesusFreke> yeah, I would create a new project and import the source, or something
May 18 18:13:04 * ventura wonders what has happened to Tizen
May 18 18:13:52 <groxx> DarkChaoz: copy/paste tends to work pretty well, tbh.  the src/main/java folder will match exactly what Eclipse expects, as are all the res/* folders and libs/.  the only things that really need customization is the AndroidManifest.xml file, and you may need to download the .jar files from http://search.maven.org/ for dependencies (and God help you if they
May 18 18:13:52 <groxx> have resources)
May 18 18:14:46 <g00s> ventura samsung is still using it
May 18 18:15:09 <groxx> yeah, they're still releasing not-Wear android wathes
May 18 18:15:10 <groxx> watches*
May 18 18:16:41 <s73v3r> if you wanna hear some good stuff on Tizen, there’s a pretty long thread in TheDailyWTF forums where someone describes what it’s like to work on Tizen
May 18 18:18:58 <ventura> s73v3r: I worked on Tizen :-(
May 18 18:19:09 <s73v3r> you poor, poor bastard
May 18 18:19:19 <ventura> yup
May 18 18:19:53 <groxx> ventura: building Tizen, or building things _on_ Tizen?
May 18 18:20:19 <ventura> groxx: both
May 18 18:20:48 <groxx> dang.  any horror stories / actually-not-horror stories?
May 18 18:21:08 <s73v3r> the best part is when one of the higher ups on the Tizen project comes into the thread to try and defend himself
May 18 18:21:36 * ventura definitely is not one of them
May 18 18:21:50 <g00s> Samsung aspires to be like apple i think ; so they need their own OS
May 18 18:21:50 <s73v3r> he said he’d have absolutely no problem with demoing his software in front of higher ups, and having log lines that say “BITCH” “or “Spank, spank, spank” show up
May 18 18:31:10 <ventura> g00s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/02/10/how-google-used-motorola-to-smack-down-samsung-twice/
May 18 18:33:58 <alexfu> is the only way to override modules in dagger 2 is to create a new app component?
May 18 18:34:38 <joshkovach> alexfu: looks that way. what are you trying to accomplish?
May 18 18:34:57 <ventura> s73v3r: ubuntu phone is a much better “alternative” to android than tizen dreams to be
May 18 18:35:03 <JakeWharton> it's not really module overrides in dagger 2
May 18 18:35:15 <JakeWharton> but yes, you replace and/or delegate at the component level
May 18 18:35:47 <alexfu> joshkovach: need to override a network module i have for testing. at the moment, i'm creating a whole new application component.
May 18 18:37:05 <joshkovach> my current strategy is to not put components in app/src/main, only in app/src/debug and app/src/release (and for each build)
May 18 18:37:54 <joshkovach> take a look at jake's PR on u2020 for how to detect if you're in instrumentation tests
May 18 18:38:24 <joshkovach> then use that boolean in your debug modules to decide if you're mocking the resource or not
May 18 18:38:31 <sjmikem> Does anyone know where the captive network browser cache is stored?
May 18 18:39:15 <g00s> ventura sure; google is no angel :) no better than MS imho
May 18 18:39:52 <ventura> g00s: agreed, but i would still buy a windows phone instead of tizen
May 18 18:41:50 <joshkovach> am I annoyed at square or at jcenter for my leakcanary availability issues?
May 18 18:42:00 <JakeWharton> jcenter
May 18 18:42:07 <JakeWharton> we publish shit to Maven Central
May 18 18:42:18 <JakeWharton> the fact that their sync is broken is not our problem
May 18 18:42:22 <ircfox_> This error is showing when I try to inflate a ListFragment with a ListView inside of it : Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Your content must have a ListView whose id attribute is 'android.R.id.list'.
May 18 18:42:27 <joshkovach> JakeWharton: cool, I had a feeling
May 18 18:42:36 <g00s> joshkovach didn't the dev say just put mvenCentral in your repositories ?
May 18 18:42:56 <wakelock> ircfox_, seems perfectly clear to me
May 18 18:43:31 <ircfox_> I renamed this ListFragment on the xml to android:id="@android:id/list"
May 18 18:43:43 <ircfox_> I mean I renamed the ListView
May 18 18:43:44 <joshkovach> g00s: yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to prevent the issue in the future
May 18 18:43:50 <joshkovach> mavenCentral comes first
May 18 18:44:37 <ircfox_> But now when I use ListView lv = (ListView) view.findViewById(R.id.list); it returns null.
May 18 18:45:23 <ircfox_> This is happening since I changed this class from extending from Fragment to ListFragment.
May 18 18:46:03 <ircfox_> Could someone help me figure to understand this issue please?
May 18 18:48:50 <TacticalJoke> You're not supposed to find the ListView if you're using ListFragment, right?
May 18 18:49:03 <TacticalJoke> I'd google but I'm on phone and lazy.
May 18 18:49:21 <wakelock> ircfox_, android.R.id.list != R.id.list
May 18 18:51:14 <noncom> I pack resources for my app into the apk. For example, there is "data/maps/the_map.txt" resource in the apk. I want to read it with getResource("data/maps/the_map.txt") but for some reason the default dalvik.system.PathClassLoader does not see it... how do I solve this?
May 18 18:51:38 <damien5314> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/ListFragment.html#getListView()
May 18 18:51:43 <damien5314> does that work ircfox_ ?
May 18 18:51:56 <ircfox_> wakelock: yes!!! o/
May 18 18:52:04 <noncom> *(i missed the underscore in the example, sorry but it's there, the name is correct in my situiation)
May 18 18:52:14 <ircfox_> damien5314: thank you! :D
May 18 18:52:15 <yiati> Is there a way to combine the outputs of a flatmap back into a list within one rxjava chain?
May 18 18:52:26 <ircfox_> wakelock: thank you!!!
May 18 18:52:30 <wakelock> um np
May 18 18:52:41 <t0astt> I have a GitHub repo with changes I made from my desktop last night. I'm on my laptop now and am trying to pull those changes so I can work on the latest copy of my code from last night, but on my laptop. I'm trying to do a Pull from inside Android Studio, but it keeps telling me it failed because it will overwrite my files... what am I doing wrong?
May 18 18:52:48 <yiati> Currently it seems like I need to maintain a list outside of the chain, and add to it from there
May 18 18:53:07 <wakelock> t0astt, you're using AS, that's what you're doing wrong :p
May 18 18:53:26 <noncom> t0astt: probably you have changed something on your laptop already. OR your IDE did change it's settings files which are commited
May 18 18:53:34 <t0astt> lol I guess, but it seems like a more streamlined way of working with it
May 18 18:53:52 <joshkovach> yiati: toList()
May 18 18:53:55 <noncom> t0astt: you have 2 options: 1) pull the repo anew, to a completely new location, 2) discard your changes and pull
May 18 18:53:55 <TacticalJoke> I use the command line for everything Mercurial.
May 18 18:54:00 <ventura> t0astt: use command line
May 18 18:54:12 <TacticalJoke> Command line fo evar.
May 18 18:54:13 <joshkovach> yiati: https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava/wiki/Mathematical-and-Aggregate-Operators
May 18 18:54:48 <yiati> joshkovach: https://goo.gl/A8MbUJ
May 18 18:56:04 <wakelock> t0astt, streamlined? eh maybe. I just see it asa huuuge bloat to do a simple task :p
May 18 18:57:03 <t0astt> I think I'm getting closer to it working... my IDE on my laptop made changes. I tried to stash the changes but it failed because it couldn't find my email address lol... wut
May 18 18:57:40 <wakelock> this is... not getting better
May 18 18:59:54 <t0astt> I somehow got a dialog to let me input my email, and all is good now
May 18 19:00:01 <hert> when you create the asset folder init not supposed to be blue right above the have one under app?
May 18 19:00:22 <hert> mine looks more like the res folder
May 18 19:03:56 <danijoo> its the icon of a normal folder with 3 yellow stacks next to it
May 18 19:04:22 <danijoo> hert, http://prntscr.com/76pbjg
May 18 19:05:52 <adq> no idea if it is "normal" or not, but i have it too danijoo
May 18 19:06:21 <adq> also appears in "res" folder
May 18 19:07:15 <danijoo> this is the normal icon
May 18 19:07:21 <hert> i've been having issue with copying the db inside of it so i was wondering it's was the right one
May 18 19:07:37 <danijoo> hert, show the code :)
May 18 19:09:30 <adq> oh, by the way (Odaym not here yet), did a little test about his issue with listview animation and activity lifecycle: https://vid.me/M1Ie
May 18 19:09:45 <adq> no issue ;)
May 18 19:10:16 <adq> (pressing home button despite it's not visible and coming back)
May 18 19:10:18 <yiati> I have never enjoyed coding as much as I now do with Rxjava. Finally dove head first into it this past weekend, and now I'm totally rewriting my app with it. It's far easier to implement parallel stuff with rxjava than a lot of serial stuff with callbacks :D
May 18 19:10:52 <hert> here it is http://pastebin.com/RmmRzzzW getting code 14 could not open database line #87
May 18 19:11:22 <groxx> noncom: in case someone hasn't responded: I forget what the options are for data folders :|  if nothing else, that probably belongs in assets/maps/the_map.txt or res/raw/the_map.txt though.  and the getResource() method will _only_ work with res/raw/etc, and there's an openRawResource for that purpose.
May 18 19:11:38 <danijoo> hert, have you checked if the database is copied?
May 18 19:12:22 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/BrowseActivity.scala#L336
May 18 19:12:25 <pfn> hmm, that's pretty convenient
May 18 19:12:26 <danijoo> also there is https://github.com/jgilfelt/android-sqlite-asset-helper that does that for you
May 18 19:12:33 * pfn infects more of his code with rx shit
May 18 19:12:47 <hert> i don't see any database folder created inside the package on the emulator that's why i was thinking may be my assets folder
May 18 19:13:01 <groxx> pfn: that is a nice API for that, yeah
May 18 19:13:10 <danijoo> hert, have you stepped through your code with a debugger? :0
May 18 19:13:25 <pfn> groxx, better than creating a bajillion interfaces/listeners/callbacks
May 18 19:13:45 <hert> yep, everything is fine until that line
May 18 19:13:53 <alexfu> if I extend a component in Dagger 2, do I have to re-declare all provides methods?
May 18 19:13:56 <groxx> pfn: well, equivalent, but nicer reading definitely :)
May 18 19:14:20 <pfn> groxx, well, bajillion as in a different type per listener type
May 18 19:14:40 <pfn> groxx, e.g. onVisibilityChange, onClick, onCheckChange, onSizeChange, etc.
May 18 19:14:53 <groxx> yeah.  though retrolambda / when we get java 8 in android in 2050 makes it a lot closer, since you'd generally just have (v) -> doThing;
May 18 19:14:57 <ircfox_> How do I access the parent (previous) context from a actual Fragment context ?
May 18 19:15:14 <pfn> groxx, still have to define the type
May 18 19:15:20 <groxx> pfn: nope
May 18 19:15:30 <groxx> if it's unique, it's inferred
May 18 19:15:36 <pfn> groxx, I mean, the type still has to be defined, if they're going to keep the interface setup, rather than FunctionN
May 18 19:15:47 <pfn> groxx, it's inferred, yes, but it's still a type
May 18 19:15:56 <ircfox_> Because I need to use a element from a previous xml layout with my current layout is placed in.
May 18 19:16:03 <pfn> doesn't change the "bajillion types" statement
May 18 19:16:05 <groxx> aah, you mean define the interface + use it in the method signature?
May 18 19:16:08 <ircfox_> s/with/which
May 18 19:16:11 <pfn> groxx, yes
May 18 19:16:11 <groxx> thought you meant in the call
May 18 19:16:15 <danijoo> hert, line 46
May 18 19:16:28 <pfn> groxx, of course, with lambdas, you could just define it as a function type
May 18 19:16:31 <danijoo> if(database not exists) doNothing ? ^^
May 18 19:16:42 <danijoo> and if it is already copied, copy it again!
May 18 19:16:56 <noncom> groxx: alright, i put the text file under /res/raw and Android Studio does not see it, like the raw folder is empty..
May 18 19:16:58 <joshkovach> alexfu: you'll need to use @Component(modules={}) to override the modules that get used
May 18 19:17:01 <noncom> it does not get into the apk either
May 18 19:17:46 <groxx> noncom: weird.  refresh? it should be automagic.
May 18 19:17:57 <groxx> noncom: though I don't think you can have subfolders in raw
May 18 19:18:36 <noncom> groxx: 8O true... it does not allow subfolders....
May 18 19:19:24 <noncom> groxx: tell me please, maybe you could help... if I want to load some text files with a classloaders getResource("/path/to/my/file/in/the/apk.txt"), how do I acheive it?
May 18 19:20:03 <noncom> the default dalvik.system.PathClassLoader apparently fails to handle the full paths inside the apk..
May 18 19:20:23 <saapas> how dull it is that there are *widgets* and then there is package android.widget whose members are logically smaller than the aforementioned widgets.
May 18 19:20:42 <alexfu> joshkovach: i dont have to specify every module though, right? just the one i need to replace?
May 18 19:21:37 <groxx> typically I'd say "don't do that" unless you're actually loading a .class file.  if you have a file in raw/ you can use `context.getResources().openRawResource(R.raw.the_file)` to get an InputStream you can read from.  if in assets/ you can use `context.getAssets.open("path/to/file.ext")` (path is relative to assets/)
May 18 19:22:22 <saapas> so now I'm writing android.widget -like Views specific to my own app, but the app also includes the other type of widgets.
May 18 19:22:28 <groxx> put files anywhere else, and you _might_ have to customize your build process to include them.
May 18 19:23:02 <noncom> groxx: i see.. hmmm, so there is no way to get such behavior so that a class (maybe a custom one) that extends ClassLoader can access it with getResource("/full/path.ext") ?
May 18 19:23:29 <noncom> `context.getAssets.open("path/to/file.ext")` gets closer, but it is not ClassLoader.getResource()
May 18 19:23:31 <groxx> well, you can override getResource to call getAssets().open.
May 18 19:23:55 <groxx> are you loading a class, or just using a classloader for some rason?
May 18 19:23:58 <groxx> reason*
May 18 19:24:02 <noncom> but getResource() must return a URL?
May 18 19:24:22 <noncom> groxx: you see, I am loading Clojure code. thus it must remain structured in proper folders :)
May 18 19:24:50 <groxx> ah
May 18 19:24:55 <noncom> groxx: and the way Clojures loader works, is asking the ClassLoader to getResource() - I cannot change that unless I fork it
May 18 19:25:18 <noncom> I *can* substiture the ClassLoader with my custom one though...
May 18 19:25:24 <noncom> so I am trying to solve this one puzzle...
May 18 19:27:06 <groxx> noncom: unfortunately I haven't tried that :|  though https://github.com/clojure-android looks interesting
May 18 19:27:13 <hert> danijoo i dint see that one but the issue is still there
May 18 19:27:34 <danijoo> hert, hm... whats the reason you do it manually?
May 18 19:27:39 <danijoo> and not using a library
May 18 19:28:08 <ircfox_> This is a snippet code from the doubt I am currently involved : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/20a5d78809d3c3b81772
May 18 19:28:31 <noncom> groxx: yeah, I am using exactly this official port of clojure. it all works just perfectly if I put the sources in some external folder, I can classload them no problem. But idk how to do it from within the apk...
May 18 19:28:45 <hert> which library?
May 18 19:28:50 <noncom> groxx: the official way of doing clojure on android is through desktop, and I am trying to setup a dev cycle on AIDE :)
May 18 19:29:13 <TacticalJoke> AIDE?
May 18 19:29:15 <ircfox_> I could figure how to access the FragmentManager from the original class but now I need to access the previous xml layout as well. Is there a way of doing it?
May 18 19:29:29 <groxx> noncom: the "answer" might ultimately be to copy the files to a local folder, like `context.getFilesDir()`.  doing that is pretty common for files you need to access in abnormal ways / might need to be writable
May 18 19:29:30 <noncom> so it turns out I have to first unpack them from the apk to some external folder, but that does not sound appealing
May 18 19:29:37 <hert> danijoo is there a different of adding existing db to project?
May 18 19:29:41 <noncom> groxx: oh, really?
May 18 19:29:49 <noncom> TacticalJoke: right :)
May 18 19:29:52 <danijoo> hert, the one i posted you is pretty good
May 18 19:30:00 <danijoo> AIDE :D
May 18 19:30:20 <danijoo> I think it was g00s who gave it the name "Toy IDE"..
May 18 19:30:42 <noncom> yeah, it is pretty toy and shoot-your-brains-out thing :)
May 18 19:30:54 <noncom> but i have a purpose..
May 18 19:31:34 <hert> could you post link again?
May 18 19:31:42 <noncom> groxx: alright, thanks for the hint. I guess, I will have to go that way - unpack to context.getFilesDir()...
May 18 19:31:54 <noncom> if you say that this is common..
May 18 19:32:05 <ircfox_> The thing is Eclipse shows all the variable instances, but not just the currently layout ones.
May 18 19:32:29 <groxx> I forget the reasons :|  it's possible everything packaged with the app is left zipped, so there's really no _path_ to it.
May 18 19:33:18 <groxx> I forget if some things are unpacked or not though.  anyway, copying isn't _too_ hard, though agreed that it's annoying.
May 18 19:33:18 <ircfox_> groxx: but the own package is a path itself, no?
May 18 19:33:26 <noncom> groxx: heh, well instead of the "file://" schema, there could be a "zipentry://" or stuff...
May 18 19:33:39 <noncom> the PathClassLoader references the apk as its path anyway...
May 18 19:33:45 <groxx> noncom: could be :) and you might be able to build one.  but I don't know of any at least.
May 18 19:34:14 <noncom> well, at least, you gave a clear picture of what is out there, since I am new to android development
May 18 19:34:24 <groxx> hm.  dunno.  I'd have to google a lot more than I can do right now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
May 18 19:34:33 <groxx> ah, taking the hard route I see :)
May 18 19:34:51 <noncom> yeah, the hard one :D
May 18 19:35:38 <groxx> well, good luck :)  you'll probably have to end up learning quite a bit about how android packs / unpacks / stores stuff on disk, which would be fun
May 18 19:35:57 <noncom> thanks, I will :)
May 18 19:37:46 <ircfox_> My current Fragment View uses a different xml layout from the one I need to access. How do I access a different layout from other than my current?
May 18 19:38:45 <groxx> ircfox_: access how?
May 18 19:40:01 <ircfox_> As my main layout has 2 fields (A and B), it inflated a ListView on field A, now from this ListView I want to load another layout on field B (which is on preview context).
May 18 19:41:02 <groxx> LayoutInflater.from(getActivity()).inflate(R.layout.other, fieldB) ?
May 18 19:41:35 <tjbiddle> Anyone aware of how to turn a GL2SurfaceView into raw data? ByteBuffer, int[], or byte[]?
May 18 19:42:23 <ircfox_> groxx: interesting, let me try that.
May 18 19:47:24 <Odaym> sup guys
May 18 19:47:51 <groxx> Odaym: I made a thing: https://github.com/Groxx/LocalTrace
May 18 19:48:40 <Odaym> pretty deep man
May 18 19:48:44 <Odaym> I wouldn't know how to make use of it
May 18 19:49:54 <rhapsody`> hi guys
May 18 19:49:54 <adq> ahhh Odaym
May 18 19:50:01 <Odaym> put it on hackernews
May 18 19:50:04 <Odaym> not reddit
May 18 19:50:06 <adq> Odaym, https://vid.me/M1Ie
May 18 19:50:21 <adq> (i just move some stuff from onCreate to onResume, this is not elegant, but it works)
May 18 19:50:39 <adq> onCreate is not called when you press home and then come back to your app
May 18 19:50:43 <adq> onResume will be
May 18 19:51:01 <Odaym> see, it pays to know how the lifecycle works
May 18 19:51:04 <danijoo> ok. why the heck is there an appcompat version of AlertDialog, but not of ProgressDialog -_-
May 18 19:51:13 <adq> for sure
May 18 19:51:15 <Odaym> I was playing with the idea of making a thread sleep but it was a definite no no
May 18 19:51:23 <g00s> danijoo because progressdialog is ghetto
May 18 19:51:25 <adq> but this is not an elegant solution, because it recreates stuff
May 18 19:51:32 <adq> instead of forcing the animation to start again
May 18 19:51:37 <rhapsody`> this is not dev related but I thought you guys might know.. does google honor play store refunds that have been manually issued by a dev past the 2h window? I ask because I was refunded an app yesterday yet it still is tagged as purchased in the store and my cc wasnt credited :/ any idea
May 18 19:51:37 <danijoo> :(
May 18 19:51:42 <Odaym> can I see the code?
May 18 19:51:53 <Odaym> because if you set the animation in XML you do not have the ability to do this
May 18 19:52:00 <Odaym> you must have set the controller in code of course
May 18 19:52:01 <adq> it's the example you posted: http://android-er.blogspot.co.il/2009/10/listview-and-listactivity-layout.html
May 18 19:52:09 <Odaym> ah yea ok
May 18 19:52:10 <danijoo> rhapsody`, it will take some time
May 18 19:52:10 <adq> just move layoutcontroller inside onresume
May 18 19:52:13 <danijoo> but yes
May 18 19:52:21 <danijoo> the money will be refunded
May 18 19:52:44 <gdrc> guys in this air there is super hot hostess. she's Spanish I think
May 18 19:52:54 <rhapsody`> usually my cc is credited almost instanly if i refund during the 2h window
May 18 19:53:01 <adq> err even the whole stuff, not only layoutcontroller (not elegant, told you)
May 18 19:53:24 <Odaym> what do you mean the whole stuff? the finding of the listview in layout as well?
May 18 19:53:29 <rhapsody`> ok thanks
May 18 19:53:36 <adq> just the setlistadapter
May 18 19:53:39 <danijoo> gdrc, ??
May 18 19:53:52 <joakimk_> I've got a two-pane UI, with two activities w/fragments. If there is no data loaded (in the "main fragment") I want to *remove* the "detail fragment" from the UI, essentially collapsing the UI down to single-pane UI. However I go about this (remove, View.GONE, etc etc) I still see the blank space left behind by the detail fragment... How do I make the "main fragment" fill the entire screen?
May 18 19:53:53 <adq> their onCreate is extremly minimalist, not so much to move :p
May 18 19:54:02 <gdrc> danijoo, I'm flying what?
May 18 19:55:26 <adq> lol he left
May 18 19:55:30 <groxx> ProgressDialog is also trivially recreated, just use an AlertDialog with a custom view == an infinite progress bar, and no buttons / no title.
May 18 19:55:33 <Odaym> we have to file a bug about this
May 18 19:55:34 <adq> but after n hours, the developer has to do it
May 18 19:55:36 <Odaym> this is insane
May 18 19:55:42 <joakimk_> so, MainFragment.onLoadFinished() gets an empty cursor, and does a *callback* to MainActivity, which set up the two-pane UI to begin with. There, in removeMe(), I get the DetailFragment (by ID) and do, getSupportFragmentManager().beginTransaction().remove(fragment).commitAllowingStateLoss();
May 18 19:55:43 <Odaym> what's more insane is that you can see it in Google Keep!
May 18 19:55:44 <adq> otherwise nothing will happen
May 18 19:56:01 <joakimk_> sorry, I get the DetailFragment by tag... ;)
May 18 19:56:01 <adq> Odaym, yeah, i find the animation burger menu insane, since it is hidden
May 18 19:56:07 <adq> for 80% of its time
May 18 19:56:12 <adq> so i will stop there :p
May 18 19:56:24 <adq> and all these troubles just to have a menu drawers and few fragments
May 18 19:56:41 <adq> and then you want to style, and chaos rules
May 18 19:56:50 <adq> not even talking about performance..
May 18 19:57:12 <adq> * this can escalate very quickly *
May 18 19:57:43 <Odaym> IO will fix it
May 18 19:57:48 <groxx> IO will fix all the things
May 18 19:58:01 <Odaym> oh IO who art in the sky
May 18 19:58:11 <groxx> bugless, be thy name
May 18 19:58:15 <adq> :p
May 18 19:59:13 <groxx> actually, maybe this will be "IO who Dart in the sky"
May 18 19:59:24 <danijoo> there should be more IO livestreams :(
May 18 20:00:07 <Odaym> man, as you approach release, random shit starts to come up
May 18 20:00:15 <TacticalJoke> A new language sounds good, but Kotlin seems to be the only sensible one.
May 18 20:00:18 <groxx> as long as they're recorded and watchable later, "live" isn't all that important to me.  but they should _all_ be recorded ಠ_ಠ there's too much useful stuff in there to abandon the community like they tend to.
May 18 20:00:19 <Odaym> and the kind of shit that is really undismissable
May 18 20:00:33 <TacticalJoke> Having says that, I'd support any new language within reason.
May 18 20:00:57 <groxx> javascript!
May 18 20:01:10 <TacticalJoke> It's 2015; we shouldn't be stuck with Java 7.
May 18 20:01:21 <TacticalJoke> "Within reason". :D
May 18 20:01:31 <danijoo> It's 2015; we shouldn't be stuck with Java.
May 18 20:01:31 <groxx> :P
May 18 20:01:32 <danijoo> :p
May 18 20:01:43 <gdrc> hey g00s I'm on airplane. nice Spanish hostess chick over here
May 18 20:01:55 <groxx> native support for node.js would be pretty cool.
May 18 20:02:03 <jaana_>  groxx …  why?
May 18 20:03:18 <groxx> because javascript, which has some fantastic tooling these days, and is way easier to modify at runtime.
May 18 20:03:40 <jaana_> I fail to see a single advantage that javascript has over java
May 18 20:03:45 <groxx> eval()
May 18 20:03:57 <g00s> lol
May 18 20:04:11 <jaana_> If you really need eval, embark an interpreter
May 18 20:04:26 <jaana_> not really a very common need on android
May 18 20:04:52 <groxx> it's not even "if you really need", it's "because it's trivial, you can do crazy shit to make your life better, and there are a lot of options out there to do exactly that"
May 18 20:05:23 <jaana_> Everything that javascript does, java does too… better
May 18 20:05:26 <TacticalJoke> A lot of people on reddit say "Java 8", but gawd that sounds underwhelming.
May 18 20:05:37 <g00s> a sensible alternative to what we have now is moving java framework bits to navtive code and providing another language that can easily ffi with the native code
May 18 20:05:55 <jaana_> g00s: That’s not sensible, that’s a nightmare
May 18 20:06:04 <groxx> making something _easy_ has dramatic effects on how people use it.  technically they're all the same because they're all Turing-complete, but that doesn't stop people from preferring X over Y, or from having X do something way better than Y
May 18 20:06:47 <g00s> the jvm is an isolationist platform
May 18 20:07:05 <g00s> if you are on jvm, fine - but everything outside via jni is too much pita
May 18 20:07:09 <jaana_> g00s: It’s the most interoperable platform on the planet at the moment
May 18 20:07:31 <jaana_> .net doesn’t come close because of its support for reification, which makes it very hard to interop with
May 18 20:07:57 <jaana_> jni/jna is trivial with java
May 18 20:08:14 <groxx> unless you're dealing with a reified language, yeah :)
May 18 20:08:20 <groxx> s/language/target
May 18 20:08:46 <g00s> jni 2 will be interesting, but we won't see that i'm guessing
May 18 20:09:47 <g00s> also, i don't generally hear people say jni is trivial or emjoyable
May 18 20:10:06 <Chainfire> jni is trivial, and enjoyable
May 18 20:10:13 <g00s> Chainfire lol
May 18 20:10:26 <g00s> When sun invented JNI, it was buggy and they simply didn't give a shit
May 18 20:10:38 <g00s> bugs reported stayed there for years
May 18 20:10:48 <gdrc> ok airplane ongoing to fly. Se you guys
May 18 20:11:13 <ExeciN> are shared preferences only in the scope of my activities? Can I have app preferences accessible from everywhere in my app?
May 18 20:11:23 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, anywhere.
May 18 20:11:29 <danijoo> g00s, so its basically the same thing everyone is saying about android issue tracker :p
May 18 20:11:29 <JacobTabak> some are activity scoped
May 18 20:11:30 <groxx> just needs a Context
May 18 20:11:39 <JacobTabak> Application.getDefaultSharedPreferences are not
May 18 20:11:46 <g00s> danijoo heh, yeah :D
May 18 20:11:57 <danijoo> although I dont agree
May 18 20:12:07 <Chainfire> I'd say it about Google Play though
May 18 20:12:10 <groxx> wait, there are activity-scoped shared prefs?
May 18 20:12:11 <danijoo> they just have priorities
May 18 20:12:21 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, groxx. Terrible idea.
May 18 20:12:32 <TacticalJoke> It couples the activity name with the file name.
May 18 20:12:37 <groxx> 😱
May 18 20:12:45 <Chainfire> what call is that ?
May 18 20:12:50 <danijoo> its basically just a naming of the pref after the activity
May 18 20:12:52 <TacticalJoke> Activity.getSharedPreferences.
May 18 20:13:00 <danijoo> you can still access them from everywhere
May 18 20:13:20 * Chainfire always uses PreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences()
May 18 20:13:28 <danijoo> ^ this
May 18 20:13:43 <gdrc> ok I'm flying. bye
May 18 20:13:52 <TacticalJoke> That just uses the other one with the package name.
May 18 20:13:54 <ExeciN> how can I get or set preferences from within my app (not outside)
May 18 20:14:02 <g00s> have good flight gdrc
May 18 20:14:03 <groxx> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#getPreferences%28int%29 dang.  they should deprecate that crap.
May 18 20:14:11 <gdrc> thanks
May 18 20:14:19 <Chainfire> Activity.getSharedPrefences seems like a very easy mistake to make
May 18 20:14:25 <g00s> they should deprecate the whole java framework :P
May 18 20:14:30 <TacticalJoke> Using Context.getSharedPreferences is fine.
May 18 20:14:45 <Chainfire> TacticalJoke you're kidding me right
May 18 20:15:05 <jaana_> Always use the least specific type to access methods
May 18 20:15:08 <jaana_> in this case, context
May 18 20:15:19 <TacticalJoke> Chain: The one you're talking about just calls the one I'm talking about.
May 18 20:15:36 <groxx> getSharedPreferences is fine (it's just the underlying Context version, same as the others), it's getPreferences that's not.
May 18 20:16:14 <Chainfire> groxx ah, that clears it up
May 18 20:16:34 <adq> because getPreferences induces neophytes to risk to pass an Activity to use getPreferences outside of an activity?
May 18 20:16:40 <TacticalJoke> Why did you ask whether I was kidding?
May 18 20:17:01 <groxx> probably out of disbelief that the world is populated by people that would create such a method
May 18 20:17:27 <Chainfire> TacticalJoke I misunderstood. That Activity.getSharedPreferences would return an Activity-specific SharedPreferences while Context.getSharedPreferences would return app-global SharedPreferences
May 18 20:18:22 <Odaym> adq, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/animation_bug_remains.mp4
May 18 20:18:34 <Odaym> this is the anticipate_overshoot interpolater
May 18 20:18:38 <adq> spoiled by the title :'
May 18 20:18:48 <Odaym> you can try it if you feel like it, also bounce interpolater
May 18 20:18:54 <Odaym> those are heavy ones
May 18 20:19:36 <Odaym> and they are interpolaters, not just linear
May 18 20:19:46 <Odaym> you have delay field inside your layout animation controller dont you?
May 18 20:19:57 <adq> oh yeah, interpolators are great, under the hood they are like "waveforms"
May 18 20:20:14 <adq> https://vid.me/7qDz <- same kind of interpolators (lfo) but applie on sound
May 18 20:20:28 <adq> and different targets
May 18 20:20:35 <Odaym> ive seen that video
May 18 20:21:23 <adq> :p
May 18 20:21:38 <adq> just imagine a waveform representing the speed of the animation in time
May 18 20:21:56 <adq> or the position of the frames of the animations in time
May 18 20:22:47 <adq> i remember some nice article from chet haase about non boring animations, mimic-ing cartoon technics
May 18 20:23:03 <Odaym> yea I know it, the one where he shows a kids app
May 18 20:23:18 <Odaym> you feel he is misanthropic and nihilistic, but when he gets going in the video you feel he is normal
May 18 20:23:23 <Odaym> usually
May 18 20:23:27 <adq> ahah i feel he is funny ;)
May 18 20:23:33 <Odaym> he looks fed up
May 18 20:23:44 <Odaym> as if he feels too old for what he is doing
May 18 20:23:45 <Odaym> lol
May 18 20:23:55 <adq> who knows anyway ^^
May 18 20:23:58 <Odaym> I do
May 18 20:24:02 <Odaym> I have an eye for these things
May 18 20:24:10 <Odaym> onstart called before oncreate, bro
May 18 20:24:58 <adq> thug lifecycle
May 18 20:25:03 <Odaym> LOL!
May 18 20:25:07 <Odaym> gold!!
May 18 20:25:59 <Odaym> I answered that in an interview 2 days ago haha
May 18 20:26:08 <Odaym> so now I keep remembering it when I want to show that I am credible
May 18 20:28:49 <danijoo> Odaym, btw did they call you back? ^^
May 18 20:28:57 <Odaym> not yet
May 18 20:29:31 <danijoo> maybe someone answered onResume(), then you have a chance xD
May 18 20:29:37 <Odaym> haha!
May 18 20:29:46 <Odaym> well the apps I showed them more than made up for those mistakes
May 18 20:29:59 <Odaym> but regardless, I can never work somewhere that doesn't see the sun
May 18 20:30:31 <Odaym> its like half-underground
May 18 20:32:34 <Odaym> that marquee challenge, the issue is in displaying Arabic characters
May 18 20:32:40 <Odaym> that's the gotcha behind it
May 18 20:37:04 <DarkChaoz> is android studio a resource hog?
May 18 20:37:23 <DarkChaoz> i remember when i used it before a stable version was done.. it was a resource hog
May 18 20:37:32 <Odaym> yea definitely
May 18 20:37:37 <TacticalJoke> It's less bad now.
May 18 20:37:46 <TacticalJoke> But it's not exactly Notepad.
May 18 20:37:49 <ventura> DarkChaoz: s/android studio/java/g
May 18 20:38:46 <joakimk_> How can I make the following UI fill the screen height? In short (not showing full XML, obviously), activity.xml is <FrameLayout height="match_parent" />. The fragment.xml is <ScrollView height="fill_parent"><LinearLayout height="match_parent" /> </ScrollView>
May 18 20:39:43 <danijoo> thats fillng screen height
May 18 20:39:53 <danijoo> its layout_height though, not height
May 18 20:40:08 <joakimk_> yeah, android:layout_height
May 18 20:40:15 <DarkChaoz> i might as well install android studio
May 18 20:40:18 <danijoo> should work
May 18 20:40:21 <TacticalJoke> Dark: AS is definitely recommended.
May 18 20:40:23 <DarkChaoz> i messed up eclipse IDE lol
May 18 20:40:38 <joakimk_> still, it leaves a gap at the bottom... It really only wraps the content (of the LinearLayout)
May 18 20:40:48 <DarkChaoz> because i was tryna update the ADT plugin.. i messed up and now wont launch anymore lol
May 18 20:41:02 <DarkChaoz> so i thought.. what the heck, i might as well go with AS now
May 18 20:41:04 <Odaym> just dump Eclipse
May 18 20:41:07 <Odaym> completely
May 18 20:41:07 <DarkChaoz> yeah
May 18 20:41:25 <DarkChaoz> there aint an uninstall exe file for eclipse is there?
May 18 20:41:34 <Odaym> no its a binary
May 18 20:41:36 <Odaym> just remove the folder
May 18 20:41:57 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I never liked that about Eclipse.
May 18 20:41:58 <DarkChaoz> alright
May 18 20:42:00 <TacticalJoke> Felt weird.
May 18 20:42:10 <Odaym> unix way
May 18 20:43:42 <joakimk_> The UI in the fragment is a "vertical stack" of a textview, an imageview, another textview, and a button. I want the UI to fill the height in the sense that, a) there's no gap anywhere, and b) the textview/imageview are aligned with top of screen, while the other textview and the button are aligned with bottom of screen
May 18 20:43:50 <danijoo> https://github.com/yongjhih/proguard-annotations
May 18 20:43:56 <danijoo> that looks cool
May 18 20:44:07 <jaana_> I’ll dump Eclipse when AS starts supporting incremental compilation
May 18 20:44:08 <groxx> Odaym: you had a link to a bug report for the onstart / oncreate thing?  I can't remember what it was :|
May 18 20:44:15 <danijoo> (for people that suck in proguarding)
May 18 20:44:32 <groxx> jaana_: it does.
May 18 20:44:32 <Odaym> here it is groxx https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/animation_bug_remains.mp4
May 18 20:44:43 <jaana_> groxx: not even remotely close
May 18 20:44:52 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, the lack of incremental compilation isn't great, but personally I'd take Gradle one-liners over that. :D
May 18 20:45:04 <groxx> Odaym: that's animation stutter though, isn't it?  or is that being caused by something else?
May 18 20:45:05 <Odaym> we suck at proguard because of having to chase libraries and figure out which lines belong in proguard to keep that library's classes, that's it
May 18 20:45:05 <joakimk_> What I've got now, is really just the above structure with a <LinearLayout android:layout_height="match_parent" android:orientation="vertical"> <textview /> <imageview /> <textview /> <button /> </LinearLayout>
May 18 20:45:06 <TacticalJoke> If forced to choose.
May 18 20:45:24 <Odaym> did you watch it groxx ?
May 18 20:45:28 <danijoo> joakimk_, show your real xml files and not this oneline mess
May 18 20:45:29 <groxx> Odaym: yeah
May 18 20:45:29 <Odaym> when killed, it runs fine
May 18 20:45:36 <joakimk_> danijoo: I'll paste it :)
May 18 20:45:42 <Odaym> otherwise it hangs and then starts, it doesnt "originate"
May 18 20:46:58 <groxx> jaana_: does too.  it doesn't do incremental _dexing_, which is part of why it's slow, but it certainly does leave un-touched .class files alone.  delete the app/build/intermediates/ files and watch your build time increase.
May 18 20:47:02 <Odaym> but what do you mean by animation stutter? how is that excusable
May 18 20:47:23 <Odaym> it's a standard interpolater with settings that are being run, shouldnt it just..work?
May 18 20:47:26 <jaana_> groxx: It doesn’t. Change file A in a way B doesn’t compile, AS won’t show the failure in B to you until you ctrl-f9
May 18 20:47:49 <jaana_> Wide refactorings are a pain in the next with IDEA because of that
May 18 20:47:52 <jaana_> all that manual recompile
May 18 20:48:06 <groxx> aah, that's what you mean.  so it's an imperfect incremental compilation.
May 18 20:48:21 <jaana_> More like a close-to-nonexistent incremental compilation
May 18 20:48:30 <jaana_> evena Problems view would be nice, but IDEA doesn’t even have that
May 18 20:48:32 <surf2b1> Is there a way to check if a image has been cached with picasso? I want to load the cached bitmap if no network is detected.
May 18 20:48:40 <groxx> yeah, I do definitely miss that problems view :'(
May 18 20:49:43 <gottaGO>  applicationIdSuffix ".debug" in build.gradle helps having both debug+release build types - is there a way to change the name with a 'debug' suffix  also ?
May 18 20:49:52 <joakimk_> danijoo: http://pastebin.com/p2XhvSme
May 18 20:50:29 <danijoo> surf2b1, add your own Cache implementation to Picasso via Picasso.Builder
May 18 20:50:30 <lasserix> Anyone know why genymotion wouldn't launch a settings activity?
May 18 20:50:38 <Odaym> let me try that
May 18 20:50:44 <danijoo> something that stores a map of url -> cached Image maybe
May 18 20:50:53 <Odaym> preference activity you mean, yea?
May 18 20:50:56 <ExeciN> why can't I call a non static method from a static method?
May 18 20:51:10 <Odaym> ExeciN, 1st floor, 2nd room to the right
May 18 20:51:16 <Odaym> different building
May 18 20:51:23 <danijoo> lasserix, i dont have this problem. what stacktrace do you get
May 18 20:51:27 <groxx> jaana_: though the reverse isn't true - undo the change to A that breaks file B, file B recompiles and fixes itself magically.  seems like they're just not keeping a list of dependencies to check, but instead compiling all not-yet-compiled files.
May 18 20:51:56 <TacticalJoke> You can call a non-static method from a static method. You just need an instance to call it on.
May 18 20:52:05 <danijoo> joakimk_, LinearLayout should be wrap content because its in a scrollview
May 18 20:52:12 <groxx> Odaym: yeah, stutter shouldn't be happening, agreed.  but is it somehow related to oncreate / onstart?
May 18 20:52:29 <TacticalJoke> { new Foo().instanceMethod() }
May 18 20:52:33 <TacticalJoke> ;
May 18 20:52:57 <ExeciN> I got them reversed. I am trying to call a static method from a non static method. does what you said above also apply to this?
May 18 20:52:57 <lasserix> danijoo: none, just doesn't launch it
May 18 20:53:07 <lasserix> danijoo: checking if GPS is enabled, if not show dialog to prompt openning
May 18 20:53:08 <joakimk_> but, how would I go about "locking", say, the button to the bottom of the screen?
May 18 20:53:14 <lasserix> doesn't ever get to that point if GPS is off
May 18 20:53:22 <surf2b1> danijoo: kinda lame. should be in the API
May 18 20:53:22 <TacticalJoke> A static method is more or less a top-level function.
May 18 20:53:23 <ExeciN> *by "you said" I mean "has been said"
May 18 20:53:42 <danijoo> surf2b1, add it to the api..
May 18 20:53:48 <TacticalJoke> You can easily call a static method from an instance method.
May 18 20:53:55 <lasserix> danijoo: oh nevermind it does work i guess
May 18 20:54:01 <TacticalJoke> The current instance isn't even needed.
May 18 20:54:27 <danijoo> surf2b1, contribute and add it ;)
May 18 20:54:27 <joakimk_> danijoo: I mean, if the other elements' heights leave any vertical screen space, I want the button to flow to the bottom. If the other elements fill the entire height of the screen (+ maybe even more -- hence the ScrollView), I want the button to simply be at the end of all that.
May 18 20:54:52 <joakimk_> ^ the *total* of the other elements' heights
May 18 20:55:03 <Odaym> groxx no that onstart oncreate issue is a joke
May 18 20:55:17 <Odaym> the issue is when killing > start or going back > starting, that's the 2 cases
May 18 20:55:38 <Odaym> so we tried to move it to onResume() to give time :P
May 18 20:55:47 <Odaym> didnt work of course, zero effect
May 18 20:56:05 <joakimk_> is this very complicated to do? Problem now, is that I have a background image on the LinearLayout, which gives me a gray (blank) space at the bottom (below the button) unless I fill the EditText (or something else eats up the space)
May 18 20:56:07 <groxx> ah, gotcha
May 18 20:56:31 <surf2b1> danijoo: Picasso must be checking the disk cache before downloading...
May 18 20:56:52 <danijoo> sure.
May 18 20:57:28 <joakimk_> danijoo: Is this a matter of adding android:layout_weight to my stacked elements...?
May 18 20:58:05 <danijoo> joakimk_, can you say again what the problem is? my chat buffer isnt long enough :/
May 18 20:58:09 <groxx> joakimk_: I think you can do that with the fill-viewport setting: http://www.curious-creature.com/2010/08/15/scrollviews-handy-trick/
May 18 20:58:15 <joakimk_> I tried giving everything a weight of 1, except the ImageView -- which got a weight of 5. But this still didn't "stretch" the elements apart, vertically
May 18 20:58:20 <groxx> joakimk_: though I don't totally follow the problem
May 18 20:58:56 <Odaym> screenshot of what you want to achieve, when its a UI question, I advise you
May 18 20:59:17 <groxx> however, questions like yoda, you should not ask
May 18 20:59:23 <Odaym> lol
May 18 21:00:35 <lasserix> whats the best low end phone to test with these days 4.4 preferred but 4.0 okay too
May 18 21:00:58 <lasserix> i was kinda thinking the kyocera event no contact 20 dollar phone was it but
May 18 21:01:01 <joakimk_> Well, I have a "stack" of elements, in the LinearLayout, right? I want two things ;-) 1: the UI should fill *at least* the entire screen height (leave no gaps), and 2: if the other elements do not take up the entire height, I want the Button (the last element) to "flow" to the bottom of the screen. (If the other elements' total heights > screen height, then I want the button -- which is now below screen height anyway -- to just b
May 18 21:01:05 <joakimk_> does this make sense? ;)
May 18 21:01:25 <lasserix> sure
May 18 21:01:28 <lasserix> its called flow layout
May 18 21:01:34 <lasserix> they have a whole talk about how to implement it
May 18 21:02:29 <danijoo> every fucking time I update crashlytics api, my build breaks
May 18 21:02:38 <danijoo> because it cant find crashlytics login stuff
May 18 21:02:42 <danijoo> so annoying..
May 18 21:02:45 <groxx> joakimk_: sounds like the link I pasted covers that.  let me know if it doesn't, I'll try to figure out what I'm not understanding :)
May 18 21:02:54 <Odaym> this guy has the same issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87_DOuZw88w&feature=youtu.be
May 18 21:03:00 <groxx> danijoo: lol
May 18 21:03:16 <groxx> yeah, crashlytics is nice, but its plugin crap is super annoying
May 18 21:03:26 <danijoo> this thing is worse than android studio updates :D
May 18 21:03:39 <danijoo> groxx, yeah once its working its nice
May 18 21:03:52 <danijoo> you just have to never ever touch the plugin once its running
May 18 21:03:58 <g00s> what does the plugin do ? why is it needed ?
May 18 21:04:05 <danijoo> not even change the version in gradle by 0.01
May 18 21:04:32 <g00s> yeah, screw that. i'm not going to be held hostage by some dipshit plugin
May 18 21:04:37 <groxx> danijoo: we've actually disabled the plugin's tasks when we build anything except production versions.  saved a lot of annoyance, though I gather there's a better way to achieve it
May 18 21:04:50 <danijoo> g00s, if you accedently click it, it updates your build.gradle and activity class to add the crashlytics default code
May 18 21:05:03 <lasserix> joakimk_: also
May 18 21:05:10 <lasserix> here's an easy way to do what you want
May 18 21:05:12 <g00s> O.o
May 18 21:05:13 <JakeWharton> surf2b1: Picasso doesn't check the disk cache (or even have a disk cache). It just asks the HTTP client for the image and the HTTP client does whatever it wants.
May 18 21:05:19 <joakimk_> groxx: That is just great! Thanks so much!
May 18 21:05:22 <joakimk_> android:fillViewport="true"
May 18 21:05:38 <danijoo> groxx, yeah. I have a if(BuildConfig.DEBUG) crashlyticsBuilder.disabled(true) for that
May 18 21:05:39 <joakimk_> + maybe experiment with layout_weights
May 18 21:06:05 <danijoo> g00s, dont ask me how they came up with that idea ^^
May 18 21:06:06 <surf2b1> JakeWharton: thanks for the info.
May 18 21:06:19 <danijoo> this is bad by design
May 18 21:06:23 <groxx> danijoo: which handles "don't report crashes in this build", but not "don't freak out at build time if something isn't configured for this build which won't use it anyway"
May 18 21:06:26 <lasserix> http://pastebin.com/hW96Wr1G
May 18 21:06:36 <danijoo> groxx, not true :)
May 18 21:06:43 <danijoo> if its disabled its not doing anything at all
May 18 21:06:53 <g00s> danijoo yeah i don't understand it - does the crashlytics plugin analyze the code or something ?
May 18 21:06:55 <groxx> the gradle plugin uploads the apk, among other htings
May 18 21:06:58 <lasserix> joakimk_: does your stack ever overflow?
May 18 21:07:04 <JakeWharton> surf2b1: the HTTP does check the disk cache (if one is installed) before downloading the image, though, so you had the behavior correct!
May 18 21:07:05 <lasserix> or is always at most or less than?
May 18 21:07:08 <danijoo> i.e right now when Its disabled I can run the apk, when I enable it it freaks out
May 18 21:07:32 <lasserix> joakimk_: in any case you can throw all that in a scrollview and set fill viewport to true and it should work?
May 18 21:07:41 <joakimk_> it seems so!
May 18 21:07:44 <danijoo> g00s, yep
May 18 21:08:46 <danijoo> it searches the build.gradle for the compile line of crashlytics and if the maven repo is set
May 18 21:08:59 <lasserix> joakimk_: yeah so if throw that in a scroll view, ie you cant guarentee it'll either be at most or less than screen height
May 18 21:09:02 <lasserix> it'll work too
May 18 21:09:06 <danijoo> and if Crashlytics is initialized in Application.onCreate
May 18 21:09:08 <lasserix> just make sure to set fillviewport to true
May 18 21:09:21 <danijoo> problem is that a simple if clause is too much for the plugin ^^
May 18 21:09:28 <lasserix> magic is layout_weight=1 + layout_height=0dp, this will give that view the remaining height
May 18 21:10:19 <joakimk_> so, initially, my "stack" does not fill the height of the screen. android:fillViewport="true" on ScrollView removes the gap :-) And then, if I type lots of text into one of the EditText elements, the UI "contracts" as the field grows until the height is filled. Beyond that point, if I keep typing, whatever's *below* the EditText (the Button, in my case) actually begins to overflow off the screen <-- but then I can still scroll do
May 18 21:11:06 <surf2b1> JakeWharton: Why do you advise against creating your own cache implementation? http://stackoverflow.com/a/23281195/1048340
May 18 21:11:27 <danijoo> lovely http://prntscr.com/76r7uf
May 18 21:11:35 <surf2b1> JakeWharton: nevermind
May 18 21:11:43 <groxx> danijoo: ah, there we go.  found the email.  android { buildTypes { whatever { ext.crashlyticsEnabled = false }}} is what will (in theory) disable the plugin.
May 18 21:11:53 <groxx> which is different than disabling the in-app code.
May 18 21:12:18 <danijoo> groxx, I have this in my app too. maybe its that what disables it for my debug builds ;)
May 18 21:12:33 <danijoo> I added it both to be sure. in gradle and the if clause..
May 18 21:13:06 <groxx> could be.  I wasn't able to find that in the docs at the time (or since... eh.) so we just filter the task graph and `task.deleteAllActions()` when we find crashlytics.  #yolo
May 18 21:13:17 <danijoo> ^^
May 18 21:13:36 <g00s> thats severe groxx :)
May 18 21:13:50 <groxx> it was breaking our build because we don't have it configured for our other build variants
May 18 21:13:58 <groxx> so for those variants, we wield the ban hammer
May 18 21:14:38 <groxx> it shouldn't be breaking builds anyway, only warning, imo
May 18 21:14:45 <danijoo> I like how subtle they notice you that something is wrong with your config
May 18 21:15:17 <DarkChaoz> now where is the sdk
May 18 21:15:19 <joakimk_> groxx: So, thanks again! One more thing, tho? If I want the ImageView and the following TextView to be "grouped", how do I do that? I mean, I want the TextView to be just below the ImageView, regardless of available screen height. Do I need to "group" these inside a new LinearLayout, and give that LinearLayout weight=1/height=0 ?
May 18 21:15:21 <DarkChaoz> in AS
May 18 21:15:41 <groxx> it's all made worse by that at work we're on Crashlytics, and side projects are on Fabric (because Crashlytics was closed up by then), and the plugins override each other, and there's no UI for switching logins.  I really hate their plugin.
May 18 21:15:54 <danijoo> like the crash isnt enough, theres a 20 line spam of Log.e("Fabric", "....")
May 18 21:16:18 <groxx> joakimk_: LinearLayout will do that automagically, just use wrap_content on the textview and imageview.
May 18 21:16:19 <Odaym> oh yes
May 18 21:16:22 <Odaym> this is why I fucking code
May 18 21:16:26 <Odaym> fucking solved
May 18 21:16:27 <Odaym> ha!
May 18 21:16:48 <Odaym> let me show you!
May 18 21:16:51 <joakimk_> groxx: but still, group them in new LinearLayout
May 18 21:16:59 <groxx> joakimk_: adding weight would only really be useful if you wanted the textview to fill _all_ available space, except whatever the imageview needs (or vise versa), not for "put X after Y".
May 18 21:17:12 <njcomsec> java/android is the only programming language i know. i plan to make a 2d game engine to use for my games... is there any point in learning c/c++ for this to use the ndk? seeing as my games are 2d is there much benefit? also having to learn a new language
May 18 21:17:18 <g00s> i'm thinking i wont use crashlytics
May 18 21:17:27 <groxx> joakimk_: yeah.  or if you have a RelativeLayout as a parent, you can say <ImageView layout_below="@+id/textView" />
May 18 21:17:27 <danijoo> g00s, :D
May 18 21:17:41 <lasserix> You know what makes logcat really easy to filter and read?
May 18 21:17:45 <lasserix> emoticons!
May 18 21:17:59 <lasserix> njcomsec: yea but do it in java first
May 18 21:18:03 <groxx> njcomsec: depends, unfortunately.  for most things, you'll be fine in java.
May 18 21:18:04 <danijoo> its awesome, you just have to not touch it once its running ^^
May 18 21:18:13 <Odaym> hey did you guys see that video of the twitter lead engineer girl?
May 18 21:18:18 <joakimk_> groxx: but the new LinearLayout, would it have layout_height="wrap_content" then?
May 18 21:18:22 <Odaym> somewhat old but really really excellent
May 18 21:18:24 <danijoo> njcomsec, write game, not engines :)
May 18 21:18:25 <njcomsec> ok i will stick with java for now
May 18 21:18:35 <lasserix> when making anything that requires performence, c++ will help you. but since you know java, and don't know android, get to know android and java before launching into c++ and ndk
May 18 21:18:45 <njcomsec> i do know java and android
May 18 21:18:48 <lasserix> also write game not engines
May 18 21:18:51 <danijoo> soon, there will be more shitty engines than good games for android
May 18 21:18:53 <njcomsec> i just dont know anything else, like c/c++
May 18 21:18:59 <groxx> njcomsec: if you're trying to _really_ optimize performance, manual memory management lets you get rid of dancing around the garbage collector, and c has a few other benefits.
May 18 21:19:02 <lasserix> njcomsec: yeah but if you haven't already made a game you don't actually know it
May 18 21:19:13 <njcomsec> well i have made several games already
May 18 21:19:15 <Odaym> this video, I think it's the same topic she repeated it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ8ScIU4L5Q
May 18 21:19:16 <Odaym> it's so good
May 18 21:19:17 <njcomsec> jut not relased them
May 18 21:19:42 <njcomsec> i know the benefits of using a 3rd party engine
May 18 21:19:46 <groxx> joakimk_: wrap_content or fill_parent should both work, since it'll align everything "tightly" by default.  setting layout_weight is a way to change that behavior, by default it puts things right next to each other
May 18 21:21:19 <groxx> fill.  ugh.  match_parent!
May 18 21:21:38 <groxx> why did they even do that name change, fill_parent is plenty descriptive
May 18 21:22:28 <Odaym> cause parent might be wrap content
May 18 21:22:33 <danijoo> groxx, I always end up using both...
May 18 21:22:33 <Odaym> fill gives the impression of largeness
May 18 21:22:43 <danijoo> cant get myself to fully switch
May 18 21:22:59 <groxx> I still don't know why they don't just use "parent" and "content"
May 18 21:23:13 <Odaym> you need a verb..
May 18 21:23:16 <groxx> bah
May 18 21:23:22 <groxx> layout is used as a verb often enough in the docs :)
May 18 21:23:24 <Odaym> verbs are for noobs
May 18 21:24:12 <groxx> http://www.notaverb.com/login needs to have a "layout" entry.  :'( that it doesn't.
May 18 21:25:35 <danijoo> The car runs login loginly. :D
May 18 21:25:44 <danijoo> dafuq did I just read
May 18 21:26:18 <groxx> you read "the book is login"
May 18 21:27:00 <groxx> also http://notaverb.com/voltron_verbs.html
May 18 21:27:59 <DarkChaoz> where is the sdk manager in android studio?
May 18 21:28:12 <danijoo> DarkChaoz, in the upper middle
May 18 21:28:21 <Odaym> just go to terminal and type android
May 18 21:28:27 <danijoo> its an android jumping out of a box
May 18 21:28:28 <Odaym> why do you still have the toolbars visible, useless
May 18 21:28:37 <groxx> DarkChaoz: http://cl.ly/image/2w0D3928400o
May 18 21:28:54 <groxx> also cmd-shift-A -> "sdk"
May 18 21:28:56 <danijoo> Odaym, because I have stuff like genymotion and mirror in these bars
May 18 21:28:58 <joakimk_> groxx: This all works like a charm :)
May 18 21:29:10 <Odaym> cmd + space, "Gen", Return
May 18 21:29:12 <Odaym> MAC bro
May 18 21:29:14 <DarkChaoz> sdk manager icon seems to be greyed out
May 18 21:29:19 <Odaym> step your game up
May 18 21:29:22 <DarkChaoz> do i have to install it manually?
May 18 21:29:35 <Odaym> probably you didnt set the SDK path yet
May 18 21:29:37 <danijoo> Odaym, how to tell if someone uses a mac? - he will tell you :)
May 18 21:29:44 <Odaym> :D
May 18 21:29:44 <lasserix> revenge of the curly brackets
May 18 21:29:46 <groxx> ah, odaym's probably right
May 18 21:29:48 <Odaym> mac4life
May 18 21:29:57 <Odaym> I was linux hardcore, mind you
May 18 21:30:01 <Odaym> but then I saw the light
May 18 21:30:05 <danijoo> I was on mac for years and switched back recently
May 18 21:30:42 <groxx> DarkChaoz: cmd-; / file -> "project structure" will let you set the sdk location
May 18 21:31:07 <groxx> danijoo: also they'll command you to use shortcuts
May 18 21:31:14 <danijoo> I had them all!
May 18 21:32:13 <DarkChaoz> found the sdk manager
May 18 21:32:20 <DarkChaoz> had to close project and open it up
May 18 21:32:21 <Odaym> excellent
May 18 21:32:29 <Odaym> now make Tinder
May 18 21:32:30 <danijoo> you should tweet it :)
May 18 21:32:39 <Odaym> oh shit you cant, you should probably stop programming
May 18 21:32:42 <groxx> no!  make Tindr.io
May 18 21:32:55 <danijoo> sdk manager found! #yolo #android #1337
May 18 21:33:06 <groxx> #devlyfe
May 18 21:33:15 <Odaym> "I'm making an android app"
May 18 21:33:20 <Odaym> depeche mode 2015
May 18 21:33:56 <danijoo> btw isnt it kinda ironic that gradlew clean ends with a big "BUILD SUCCESSFUL" ?
May 18 21:34:39 <Odaym> it's like "1 items done"
May 18 21:34:48 <Odaym> lol
May 18 21:34:59 <Odaym> man, Uber
May 18 21:35:01 <Odaym> what an app
May 18 21:35:02 <danijoo> "TOTAL ANILIATION SUCCESSFUL"
May 18 21:35:05 <Odaym> amazing shit
May 18 21:35:25 <Odaym> at work I am practically cloning it, there are things we sit and discuss that they have discussed and solve elegantly
May 18 21:35:29 <danijoo> banned in germany ^^
May 18 21:35:35 <Odaym> yea big deal
May 18 21:35:49 <jaana_> danijoo: What’s more irritating is that ‘gradlew test’ will often not run any tests and claim they all passed
May 18 21:36:17 <danijoo> jaana_, they should change it to "no test failed" for maximum troll
May 18 21:36:24 <groxx> "100% of tests which were run have succeeded"
May 18 21:37:19 <Odaym> man I dont test yet
May 18 21:37:30 <groxx> I made my first ones this weekend :|
May 18 21:37:32 <Odaym> I have zero idea what testing means
May 18 21:37:34 <danijoo> just release as 5% staged rollout
May 18 21:37:38 <groxx> super painful to set up, though then it's not too bad.
May 18 21:37:38 <danijoo> thats all test you need :D
May 18 21:37:47 <Odaym> I mean I've read, sure, but I never understood where you stop in your "theories" of what your code should do
May 18 21:37:53 <jaana_> I noticed that as soon as I start testing my code, I find a lot of bugs in it, so I just stopped testing.
May 18 21:38:01 <Odaym> I mean you could write a test to ...well like cases that will never happen. who says when you stop?
May 18 21:38:01 <groxx> danijoo: http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-01-32-02-metablogapi/8054.image_5F00_thumb_5F00_35C6E986.png
May 18 21:38:14 <Odaym> its like applying religion on people, man
May 18 21:38:26 <Odaym> you start to think "hey! john's a good guy! why you calling him infidel!"
May 18 21:38:30 <danijoo> its like the hungergames
May 18 21:38:37 <danijoo> I randomly select some guys
May 18 21:38:41 <Odaym> "well cause he didnt pass this some thing test!"
May 18 21:38:47 <danijoo> and those will suffer
May 18 21:38:52 <Odaym> functions are nice people, they're not going to hell if they dont pass testing
May 18 21:41:44 <pfn> I really don't get it, how the fuck am I going over my appengine incoming bandwidth quota, 1gb... wtf
May 18 21:42:53 <Odaym> by the way adq, the solution turned out to be like this http://pastie.org/10195569 works everytime
May 18 21:44:10 <danijoo> Odaym, you hopefully feel bad while commiting this..
May 18 21:44:18 <Odaym> not at all
May 18 21:44:23 <Odaym> handler is great
May 18 21:44:24 <Odaym> why not
May 18 21:44:49 <groxx> probably because it likely fails completely on a slow device
May 18 21:45:00 <Odaym> its 150
May 18 21:45:03 <Odaym> thats nothing
May 18 21:45:06 <Odaym> and I tested
May 18 21:45:11 <danijoo> its clearly an ugly hack, thats why :P
May 18 21:45:27 <Odaym> it is unsolvable, this is the 3rd day I try with it
May 18 21:45:29 <Odaym> give it a try and see
May 18 21:45:34 <Odaym> any interpolater, go
May 18 21:45:43 <danijoo> i believe you
May 18 21:45:49 <danijoo> still it should make you feel bad :p
May 18 21:46:00 <danijoo> at least a bit!
May 18 21:46:06 <Odaym> you should see what I was thinking of doing before it
May 18 21:46:07 <Odaym> Thread.sleep
May 18 21:46:08 <Odaym> haha
May 18 21:46:12 <Odaym> would have killed myself
May 18 21:46:14 <danijoo> oh..
May 18 21:46:25 <danijoo> maybe put it in onStart. right before onCreate :p
May 18 21:46:31 <Odaym> HA!
May 18 21:46:34 <Odaym> full circle
May 18 21:46:35 <Odaym> haha
May 18 21:47:17 <TacticalJoke> My tablet feels so much better without the case.
May 18 21:47:18 <TacticalJoke> Light and slim.
May 18 21:48:38 <Odaym> its not an ugly hack
May 18 21:48:45 <Odaym> unless proof
May 18 21:49:40 <bankai_> TacticalJoke: lol i have a few mates who have their phones in these fold out book-like cases (i call them purses). i don't think i could use my phone in such a chunky case
May 18 21:50:04 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, that'd be annoying.
May 18 21:50:25 <g00s> thats one reason why i loved my lumia , for $75 you just use it without caring
May 18 21:50:41 <g00s> no cases, no screen protectors :)
May 18 21:51:03 <Odaym> and Microsoft
May 18 21:51:06 <g00s> ran with the thing all summer in my pack, unprotected along with all kinds of trail running shit, nothing happened :D
May 18 21:51:29 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether I'll bother with screen protectors in future.  I just have the phone for two years, never change the screen protector, and buy another.
May 18 21:51:41 <TacticalJoke> (Another phone.)
May 18 21:52:54 <g00s> TacticalJoke http://phandroid.com/2015/05/15/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-clear-view-case-scratches/
May 18 21:53:08 <g00s> if it has corning or gorilla its probably not wirth it
May 18 21:53:18 <g00s> my lumia didn't have gorilla, and its still fine :P
May 18 21:54:15 <TacticalJoke> I didn't put a screen protector on my tablet, and it feels amazing.
May 18 21:54:30 <danijoo> I hate those all together..
May 18 21:54:31 <TacticalJoke> I had bought a protector, but I went to put it on and it felt awful.
May 18 21:54:39 <danijoo> in 2 years the phone will be worth a shit anyways
May 18 21:54:43 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
May 18 21:54:46 <danijoo> doesnt matter if with or without scratches
May 18 21:54:53 <TacticalJoke> My ancient phone has a screen protector but it looks terrible.  It's all peeling off and stuff.
May 18 21:55:05 <TacticalJoke> But there's no way I'll change it, since I don't use that phone.
May 18 22:00:01 <DarkChaoz> how do import another app into my current project
May 18 22:01:08 <danijoo> DarkChaoz, you want an app in your app?
May 18 22:01:27 <DarkChaoz> trying to import an irc client app into my app yes :P
May 18 22:01:49 <TacticalJoke> Wish that LogCat-filter text field supported regexes.
May 18 22:01:51 <danijoo> good idea. Users will be able to use an irc app wile using your irc app then
May 18 22:02:19 <DarkChaoz> my app is not an irc app lol
May 18 22:02:30 <danijoo> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkiyl5VyT1r1x609o1_250.jpg
May 18 22:02:42 <DarkChaoz> want to add the irc client as an added feature of my app
May 18 22:02:49 <danijoo> put an app in your app so people can use an app while using the app
May 18 22:02:52 <TacticalJoke> It's an IRC meta-app.
May 18 22:03:20 * DarkChaoz is now confused -_-
May 18 22:03:22 <danijoo> DarkChaoz, an app cannot be a dependency
May 18 22:03:23 <danijoo> :)
May 18 22:03:34 <danijoo> only library projects can be dependencies
May 18 22:03:47 <DarkChaoz> :|
May 18 22:03:53 <DarkChaoz> so i have to merge them as one?
May 18 22:04:17 <danijoo> make a library out of the files you need in both
May 18 22:04:18 <TacticalJoke> I don't get it.  How would it make sense to have an app within an app?
May 18 22:04:22 <danijoo> and let them both use the library
May 18 22:04:33 <TacticalJoke> "Welcome to Awesome Notes. Be sure to check out our in-app IRC client!"
May 18 22:04:40 <danijoo> TacticalJoke, multi tasking
May 18 22:05:07 <danijoo> dont forget to make the app in your app only available after in-app billing
May 18 22:05:14 <TacticalJoke> It could become an OS in itself.
May 18 22:05:24 <TacticalJoke> "Our app features a calculator, a text editor, and even a whole windowing system."
May 18 22:05:59 <danijoo> maybe the calculator should also have an app inside it
May 18 22:06:25 <danijoo> an in-app-in-app
May 18 22:06:44 <jaana_> The next step after embarking a whole OS is having an emacs implementation in it
May 18 22:07:14 <danijoo> DarkChaoz, honsetly. use libraries in both apps :)
May 18 22:10:36 * DarkChaoz has no idea.. I might just ditch irc feature entirely until i think this through properly.
May 18 22:11:07 <TacticalJoke> Why do you want an app within an app?
May 18 22:11:18 <groxx> I'd say "embrace the android way" and delegate that to any other app that has support for "irc://" uris.
May 18 22:11:29 <TacticalJoke> Ya.
May 18 22:12:23 <DarkChaoz> encourage people to go to twitch stream chat if they dont have access to pc
May 18 22:12:41 <DarkChaoz> though this feature sounds pretty pointless come to think of it.
May 18 22:14:35 <zerowaitstate> TacticalJoke: "Our app features a calculator, a text editor, and even a whole windowing system";  nobody wants emacs on their phone
May 18 22:15:10 <TacticalJoke> On that general topic, I love that there is so little denial about RMS's craziness nowadays:  http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/369o3l/how_i_do_my_computing/
May 18 22:15:19 <JesusFreke> DarkChaoz: also, it's a good idea to get permission from the channel owners/admins, before pointing an app's IRC at it automatically
May 18 22:15:25 <TacticalJoke> I seem to remember 10 or so years ago people not criticising him much.
May 18 22:16:01 <JesusFreke> (doing that can often lead to an increase in spam/bad users/etc.)
May 18 22:16:12 <zerowaitstate> TacticalJoke: i think it's more out of paranoia in his case, although he doesn't make a big deal out of it
May 18 22:17:07 <zerowaitstate> TacticalJoke: to be fair, his claim that companies where using the browser to spy on people turned out to be correct
May 18 22:18:58 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: it used too
May 18 22:20:04 <lasserix> DarkChaoz: make openintents with IRC intent
May 18 22:23:09 <TacticalJoke> zerowaitstate:  Yeah.  I actually think he has the right idea in many cases.  He's just bizarre as anything (e.g., "A parrot once had sex with me").
May 18 22:24:36 <danijoo> did anyone else notice weird looking crashes in their dev console?
May 18 22:24:51 <groxx> danijoo: you mean more than normal?
May 18 22:25:11 <groxx> I'd say "weird looking crashes" might be the one constant in android dev
May 18 22:25:58 <danijoo> groxx, native crash although i dont have a single line of native code.
May 18 22:25:59 <danijoo> http://prntscr.com/76s4oi
May 18 22:26:34 <groxx> crash in crypto code.  that's super-encouraging :|
May 18 22:27:28 <groxx> dunno.  the app probably just received bad data + has a buggy implementation of that code.
May 18 22:27:32 <danijoo> http://prntscr.com/76s5fy
May 18 22:27:40 <groxx> s/+/+ the system/
May 18 22:27:45 <danijoo> ends with this. strange.. I have no idea what "klog" is
May 18 22:28:18 <groxx> "krash" maybe?  odd, definitely
May 18 22:29:01 <danijoo> the thing is.. i suddenly get lots of them.
May 18 22:29:30 <DarkChaoz> how do u add new java class file?
May 18 22:29:32 <groxx> maybe they pushed an update to that phone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
May 18 22:29:40 <danijoo> 60 in the last week. different app versions so its not for a new update
May 18 22:29:45 <groxx> ah
May 18 22:29:47 <danijoo> all android 4.4
May 18 22:29:54 <DarkChaoz> geez, didnt realize android studio is so much different from eclipse
May 18 22:29:55 <danijoo> oh...
May 18 22:29:57 <groxx> ah--
May 18 22:30:06 <danijoo> its all galaxy devices >.<
May 18 22:30:34 <groxx> doesn't the first screenshot say sony xperia though?
May 18 22:30:37 <TacticalJoke> DarkChaoz:  Right-click in Project tool window > New > Java Class.
May 18 22:30:39 <JesusFreke> DarkChaoz: file->new->java class
May 18 22:30:40 <danijoo> oh yeah wait
May 18 22:30:44 <danijoo> its also some samsungs..
May 18 22:30:49 <danijoo> sonyes*
May 18 22:30:59 <danijoo> but mostly samsungs
May 18 22:31:16 <DarkChaoz> nvm i think i did it
May 18 22:31:20 <groxx> since it's crypto, possibly https related?  could one of your endpoints have changed their SSL certificates to something that's causing a problem?
May 18 22:31:27 <DarkChaoz> make new file and call it <name>.java
May 18 22:31:37 <danijoo> hm. no. I host them on my own
May 18 22:31:54 <TacticalJoke> DarkChaoz:  It's better to do what I or JesusFreke said.
May 18 22:34:11 <groxx> eh, as long as it's in the same place it'll get picked up either way
May 18 22:41:58 <danijoo> groxx, I found it. its actually a bug in okhttp
May 18 22:42:06 <JakeWharton> what is?
May 18 22:42:07 <danijoo> https://github.com/square/okhttp/issues/1350
May 18 22:42:26 <danijoo> oh wait. thats from 29.jan :/
May 18 22:42:46 <JakeWharton> not so much a bug in OkHttp as relying on Android to not be broken
May 18 22:42:58 <JakeWharton> but yes, 2.3 and 4.1-RC1 don't have that problem
May 18 22:43:03 <JakeWharton> 2.1-RC1, that is
May 18 22:43:08 <JakeWharton> 2.4-RC1
May 18 22:43:09 <JakeWharton> i'm done
May 18 22:43:47 <danijoo> i should update my libs more often :)
May 18 22:44:43 <danijoo> thanks for the feedback JakeWharton. Ill change version and see what happens
May 18 22:45:20 <Odaym> when on vacation, he becomes JakeWhartoff
May 18 22:52:17 <Noizept> Has anyone used WiiRemote(bluetooth) or Ps3 controller(Bluetooth) in Android development
May 18 23:13:51 <_genuser_> hello people.
May 18 23:15:40 <TacticalJoke> Material buttons are way sexier than Holo buttons are.
May 18 23:15:44 <TacticalJoke> Hello.
May 18 23:16:55 <TacticalJoke> Were you looking for anything in particular or just browsing?
May 18 23:26:32 <tjbiddle> Hi all. Anyone aware of how to turn a Bitmap into NV21 or RGBA format?
May 18 23:31:19 <groxx> tjbiddle: hmm.  what are you trying to do?
May 18 23:32:34 <tjbiddle> groxx: Not experienced in image encoding at all; hope my terminology is correct. But I'm trying to use a bitmap that I'm grabbing from OpenGL and convert it to a format TokBox supports (see: #provideByteArrayFrame()) https://tokbox.com/opentok/libraries/client/android/reference/index.html which is ARGB and NV21
May 18 23:35:18 <groxx> tjbiddle: it says it takes ARGB, seems like that should correspond to Bitmap.Config.ARGB_8888 mode (that's the default)
May 18 23:35:39 <lasserix> Anyone use the facebook object graph api?
May 18 23:36:15 <groxx> tjbiddle: probably just getBytes() and see if it works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I would certainly hope they don't expect you to do your own encoding to use their library.
May 18 23:36:38 <groxx> lasserix: a while ago.  I've detoxed since.
May 18 23:38:26 <lasserix> heh
May 18 23:38:44 <lasserix> is there a way to read a users custom objects from other apps do you know?
May 18 23:42:31 <groxx> like, read open graph events from e.g. a game?
May 18 23:43:09 <groxx> or, since games are a bit different, we'll just say "app"
May 18 23:45:21 <dragorn> lasserix, not unless they expose an API to do that via a content provider or something
May 18 23:46:30 <dragorn> lasserix, inter-app security really ought to prevent that, i'd think it a major issue if you could read other apps data (unless they screw up of course and make world readable files)
May 18 23:47:01 <lasserix> hmm thanks
May 18 23:47:23 <groxx> yeah, I think that's essentially private data per app, so you'd need a dev key to read it (e.g. what Insights uses).  you can read app requests / game events / things they've actually posted, but I think that's it :\
May 18 23:48:29 <groxx> I'm not totally sure though.  I would kinda expect it to be true, but without poking around in an app with custom events I'm not totally certain.
May 18 23:51:23 <tjbiddle> groxx: Hm, well a least that gave me enough to keep trying new things :p thanks
May 18 23:51:30 <pfn> ugh, ImageButton doesn't honor android:enabled  :-(
May 18 23:51:44 <tjbiddle> Now my biggest issue is my laptop isn't charging my phone battery as fast as I'm draining it >.<
May 18 23:52:11 <GGMethos> whats the easiest way to do a custom gradle build on windows
May 18 23:52:22 <pfn> GGMethos, the same way as any other OS?
May 18 23:52:36 <GGMethos> yeah but like
May 18 23:52:43 <GGMethos> can you use the command line on windows or
May 18 23:52:46 <GGMethos> how does that work
May 18 23:52:52 <pfn> same way as any other OS
May 18 23:53:00 <dynmeth> has anyone used google analytics for their android app and noticed other devices appear in the analytics report (e.g. iOS devices)?
May 18 23:54:07 <GGMethos> i've been having issues with it.
May 18 23:54:20 <s73v3r> Anyone have any good class diagram generators?
May 18 23:54:23 <GGMethos> gtg i'll be back later maybe
May 18 23:54:24 <meetoman> hey guys
May 18 23:54:37 <s73v3r> I need to visualize a large class/interface hierarchy
May 18 23:54:38 <meetoman> how do I mask a TextureView round edges?
May 19 00:06:18 <groxx> tjbiddle: ha, that's a fun one :)  and of course you don't want to carry around a high-power USB hub
May 19 00:06:49 <groxx> tjbiddle: if you have a tablet charger, ADB over wifi works pretty well for me, and that solves the charging issue.
May 19 00:07:02 <groxx> (by "tablet charger" I mostly mean "2A or more")
May 19 00:07:32 <tjbiddle> groxx: Will check into it :)
May 19 00:07:37 <groxx> s73v3r: there's a bunch of stuff for Eclipse@!
May 19 00:07:52 <s73v3r> …yeah
May 19 00:10:16 <groxx> looks like Intellij IDEA can do it :|
May 19 00:10:23 <groxx> https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/uml_class_diagram.html
May 19 00:11:29 <eghdk> Hey JakeWharton let me know if you can answer this. In okhttp I'm trying to figure out when exactly setRetryOnConnectionFailure(boolean) does anything. Basically I'm trying to retry on data disconnected. which the docs make it sound like it will... but it doesn't. it just fails hard right away.
May 19 00:12:36 <JakeWharton> disconnection != connection failure
May 19 00:12:43 <s73v3r> I’ve heard that may be only the Ultimate Edition
May 19 00:12:48 <JakeWharton> the former implies connection success
May 19 00:12:59 <JakeWharton> you cannot disconnect from something unless you successfully connected
May 19 00:13:42 <eghdk> JakeWharton: Well... when you put it that way... Is there anyway to retry anyway? Or is that something I have to bake in myself?
May 19 00:14:10 <JakeWharton> Yes. You have to roll it yourself. A policy on application-level retries would be a complex set of APIs.
May 19 00:14:17 <groxx> s73v3r: yeah, I'd believe it.  generating UML diagrams seems like it's the sort of thing you use for Enterprise™ code.
May 19 00:15:11 <s73v3r> they don’t need to be UML diagrams in the strictist sense. Just something that lets me visualize which things inherit from other things
May 19 00:15:53 <eghdk> JakeWharton: Okay, so just so I have this straight. If my data is off, it just fails right away, because you're not ever connected? I'm confused again.... because isn't that a ConnectionFailure? Because it failed to connect?
May 19 00:16:45 <eghdk> Better yet... can you give me an example where setRetryOnConnectionFailure(true) would actually retry?
May 19 00:16:55 <groxx> s73v3r: yeah.  tbh I'd search for UML generating / consuming stuff, because there are visualizers aplenty once you've got it in that format
May 19 00:18:40 <JakeWharton> eghdk: when a host has 2 IPs and the first one cannot be reached
May 19 00:19:33 <meetoman> anybody?  how do I mask a TextureView?
May 19 00:19:51 <JakeWharton> the docs also state that if you use a ProxySelector with multiple proxies each will be tried rather than just one
May 19 00:20:19 <s73v3r> which brings be back to where I started :S
May 19 00:21:42 <eghdk> JakeWharton: Okay, when my data is not on at all is that a "disconnection" or "connection failure" from when you said "disconnection != connection failure"
May 19 00:22:04 <JakeWharton> that would be a connection failure, but your host probably only has one IP so it doesn't retry
May 19 00:22:49 <groxx> meetoman: hm.  might be tricky.  possibly you can add a surfaceUpdated listener, lockCanvas() -> set a clip rect -> unlockCanvasAndPost() ?
May 19 00:23:19 <groxx> meetoman: otherwise, I'd generally recommend you don't try, and fake it.  draw some corners over the top of it so it looks like what you want.
May 19 00:24:46 <groxx> meetoman: otherwise possibly there's something you can do with Paint objects, but I'd have to look a lot harder.  can't spend that much time on it at the moment :|
May 19 00:29:28 <groxx> s73v3r: don't suppose "call hierarchy" would help?  I <3 that feature
May 19 00:33:56 <eghdk> JakeWharton: Oh. so it's almost like if the initial server connection fails... you can have a "backup" one, and it'll retry automatically in that case?
May 19 00:34:27 <JakeWharton> yes. large sites have multiple IPs
May 19 00:34:38 <JakeWharton> do 'nslookup google.com' and you'll get like 6
May 19 00:35:06 <eghdk> Okay. Last thing I'll bother you with. Any other cases where it would retry? or it will only retry on multiple ips?
May 19 00:39:45 <eghdk> JakeWharton: Okay. Last thing I'll bother you with. Any other cases where it would retry? or it will only retry on multiple ips?
May 19 00:39:53 <JakeWharton> the proxy selector case I described above
May 19 00:40:06 <JakeWharton> the docs also mention something about connection pooling but i'm not sure about that one
May 19 00:40:40 <JakeWharton> I think it amounts to the fact that a pooled connection might fail when we start using it again. If it fails soon enough we'll retry the request on a new connection.
May 19 00:45:05 <eghdk> JakeWharton: +1 THANKS!
May 19 01:25:01 <hahahehehehoho> hi, i am trying to do AR using opencv. I followed some tutorial online how AR is achieved and made this main activity and overlayview. But since opencvcamera view is in MainActivity, How do i send the processed image to the overlay view?
May 19 01:25:49 <hahahehehehoho> the mainactivity is in a framelayout and the overlayview is a child of the framelayout using framelayout.addview(overlayview). Thanks
May 19 01:28:06 <meetoman> groxx, can't fake it....
May 19 01:28:22 <meetoman> groxx, sad part is I am doing this on TextureView too
May 19 01:30:12 <groxx> meetoman: yeah :\  the camera kinda takes complete control of what you hand it, I don't know if / how you can step in there and intercept it :\  I've tried quite a bit with SurfaceView, never got anywhere.  I'd imagine TextureView is similar.
May 19 01:31:11 <meetoman> gonig through http://androidtutorialsandtips.blogspot.com/2012/01/overriding-ondraw-method-in-surfaceview.html
May 19 01:31:15 <meetoman> see if it works
May 19 01:32:57 <groxx> yeah, afaik that's the "normal" way to use a surfaceview.  the problem is that the camera calls surfaceHolder.getSurface() and then seems to claim it forever :|  I've even tried giving it a custom surface, it just bypassed all my methods.  entirely possible I missed something though, this was a while ago.
May 19 01:35:42 <meetoman> I dont like surfaceview too much :|
May 19 01:35:47 <groxx> meetoman: if you find something that works, I'd love to hear.  I've mostly given up though :|
May 19 01:36:54 <groxx> also, faking it worked for work, so that's what we do :)
May 19 02:42:21 <groxx> dang, quiet in here.
May 19 02:43:46 <g00s_> capella just reading firefox OS is coming to Smart TVs
May 19 02:43:54 <meetoman> groxx, can't fake it
May 19 02:44:00 <g00s_> but i think SmartTvs are retarded
May 19 02:44:05 <meetoman> since the textureview is on top of another textureview
May 19 02:44:15 <meetoman> g00s, how do you do rounded corners on textureview?
May 19 02:44:21 <groxx> g00s_: well, partly because the never update and are way shittier than e.g. what your phone can do
May 19 02:44:22 <capella> Yah, Samsung (?) iir?
May 19 02:44:30 <capella> (forgets)
May 19 02:45:03 <g00s_> groxx yeah, the hardware lifetime is way different than the time oem will keep it updated
May 19 02:45:10 <g00s_> and the same goes with cars, i'm guessing
May 19 02:45:19 <g00s_> which is why i dont want that crap in my car either :D
May 19 02:46:12 <capella> g00s: I thought you loved all things "IOT" :) Doesn't an OS-ified TV count?
May 19 02:46:38 <groxx> same. screen mirroring with mini-hdmi as a fallback if the wireless protocol falls out of fashion, or nothing.
May 19 02:47:17 <groxx> I like "all things can ask my main thing for X", I'm not really sure IOT will work out all that well
May 19 02:47:34 <g00s_> capella only reason why i'm interested in IoT is environmental monitoring
May 19 02:48:07 <g00s_> citizen science, pollution monitoring, etc
May 19 02:48:20 <capella> Heh - so no "mouse that can send telemetry to its manufacturer?"
May 19 02:48:41 <capella> "He's not using me right"
May 19 02:48:41 <g00s_> is this not cool or what http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/04/science-by-robot-outfitting-the-worlds-smartest-lake/
May 19 02:49:21 <capella> "He's clicking me too hard"
May 19 02:49:33 <g00s_> :D
May 19 02:52:21 <g00s_> so zuckerberg and gates are advertising the # of open computing jobs to both politicans (for more H1Bs) and parents to expand K-12 CS
May 19 02:52:34 <g00s_> lol, that guy
May 19 02:58:31 <Tricknology> Evening gents
May 19 02:58:48 <Tricknology> Is this channel associated with /r/android_dev?
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