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May 22 03:01:45 <mrmrscheese_> pfn, there is this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10827520/how-to-get-the-ip-address-of-a-system-using-android-phone
May 22 03:02:11 <mrmrscheese_> but that requires you to connect to a router with a pc also on the network
May 22 03:03:48 <luist> why am i getting: Error:(92, 21) error: cannot find symbol method setText(String)??? this is the relevant code: http://paste.ofcode.org/FhbAknAZkewfJjNPypyQ6Y
May 22 03:04:00 <luist> i have import android.widget.TextView;
May 22 03:04:05 <mrmrscheese_> if i cant do it with arp, how about grabbing all incoming data packets, also the idea is to connect directly to the camera
May 22 03:07:06 <ventura> luist: relativelayout + android:alignParentLeft
May 22 03:07:26 <TacticalJoke> luist:  `aboutVersion` is a View, not a TextView.
May 22 03:07:42 <luist> oh
May 22 03:07:47 <luist> thats right :P
May 22 03:07:56 <luist> i should get some sleep
May 22 03:15:16 <TacticalJoke> luist:  On a side note, it's sensible to specify 'private' field accessibility by default (as opposed to package-private, the default).
May 22 03:17:42 <luist> TacticalJoke: i dont get it :)
May 22 03:20:32 <TacticalJoke> For example, `View vw_layout;`.  That's package-private, meaning that it's visible to the entire package.  The typical thing is to use `private`.
May 22 03:21:03 <luist> to be visible inside the class only?
May 22 03:21:19 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
May 22 03:21:33 <luist> is that good for some reason beside make people better programmers? lol
May 22 03:22:39 <TacticalJoke> It's like putting sharp items in drawers before the kids come home from school.
May 22 03:24:11 <aspire> onSaveInstanceBundle is called before the activity is destroyed right?
May 22 03:24:38 <luist> you make it sounds very dangerous lol
May 22 03:26:13 <luist> well i still need to find out how to clear all athentications from the xwalk webview
May 22 03:26:36 <TacticalJoke> aspire:  As long as the Activity is not finishing for good, it should be called before onDestroy.
May 22 03:26:42 <TacticalJoke> I think it's usually called a moment after onPause.
May 22 03:28:13 <aspire> TacticalJoke, right
May 22 03:28:17 <aspire> im just sort of confused how this works
May 22 03:28:46 <aspire> i have an activity that starts a service and binds to it - when i press the home key (to leave the activity) i know the service is still running
May 22 03:29:01 <aspire> because the service puts a notification in the notification bar and the notification isn't dismissed
May 22 03:29:23 <aspire> which should be enough indication that my service is still running (which i know for a fact that it is). when the notification is pressed i want to open the activity back
May 22 03:29:55 <aspire> and i am just confused what to do with starting the service and binding to it again
May 22 03:29:56 <lasserix> Anyone know of / used a gooey logcat?
May 22 03:29:58 <lasserix> *gui
May 22 03:30:01 <aspire> do i need to bind to the service again? or is it already bound
May 22 03:30:17 <lasserix> aspire, start a service means its started. bound means you can return a binder (which can be the service itself)
May 22 03:30:31 <aspire> lasserix, right i got that part down its just that
May 22 03:30:43 <aspire> is my activity still bound to a service when i leave the activity (via pressing the home key)
May 22 03:30:49 <lasserix> if you bind to a service that is not running, it'll start it, but it will also stop it if you unbind (and you are the only one bound, if not, it'll stop when the last client unbinds it)
May 22 03:31:01 <aspire> o..
May 22 03:31:03 <lasserix> only if you unbind in onpause
May 22 03:31:15 <lasserix> you can also start and stop a service, manually
May 22 03:31:21 <aspire> yeah
May 22 03:31:26 <aspire> mhmm ok i am going to test this
May 22 03:31:26 <lasserix> if you start a service before binding to it, then unbinding will not stop it, you have to manually stop it
May 22 03:32:09 <aspire> eeek i have some code in my activity's onDestroy which unbinds and stops the service
May 22 03:32:22 <aspire> but it's weird because the service is actually still running - which means that onDestroy must not be getting called
May 22 03:33:09 <lasserix> yeah
May 22 03:33:16 <lasserix> ondestroy is not called when you press home
May 22 03:33:19 <lasserix> home button = minimize
May 22 03:33:22 <aspire> so that means my activity is still bound to the service
May 22 03:33:23 <lasserix> back button = quit
May 22 03:33:23 <aspire> right?
May 22 03:33:26 <aspire> o...
May 22 03:33:27 <lasserix> yeah
May 22 03:33:35 <lasserix> home button = minimize = onpause, usually onstop
May 22 03:33:37 <aspire> gah so i have a static boolean in my service class called running
May 22 03:33:46 <lasserix> back button = quit = onpause, onstop, ondestroy
May 22 03:33:48 <aspire> if(!Service.running) start service + bind
May 22 03:33:52 <aspire> right?
May 22 03:34:03 <lasserix> it depends
May 22 03:34:10 <lasserix> do you want the service to stop when you unbind?
May 22 03:34:21 <lasserix> then don't manually start it, just let the binding take care of it
May 22 03:34:22 <aspire> i don't want to unbind at all actually haha
May 22 03:34:39 <aspire> its not meant to run as a background service - it is only meant to run while my activity is running
May 22 03:34:48 <aspire> when you quit the activity - the service stops
May 22 03:34:55 <lasserix> unless you have a reason forhaving the service run independently of the app don't start it manually if you are binding
May 22 03:35:03 <lasserix> yeah
May 22 03:35:09 <aspire> mhmmm
May 22 03:35:10 <lasserix> then in onstart bind and in onstop unbind
May 22 03:35:19 <aspire> right
May 22 03:35:27 <aspire> the only thing that is throwing me off about this is that onCreate is called again
May 22 03:35:40 <lasserix> oncreate?
May 22 03:35:45 <aspire> yeah
May 22 03:35:52 <lasserix> when?
May 22 03:36:08 <aspire> it gets called when i press the notiifcation (which starts the activity again)
May 22 03:36:39 <lasserix> even if it is already started?
May 22 03:36:55 <aspire> yup
May 22 03:37:13 <aspire> start the activity - press home key - press notification -> onCreate is called again
May 22 03:37:25 <aspire> i looked at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4300291/example-communication-between-activity-and-service-using-messaging which is extremely helpful
May 22 03:37:41 <lasserix> anyone know whats the best way to design GUI with java? #java is being more than useless
May 22 03:38:04 <lasserix> then i think your activity needs to be configured properly
May 22 03:38:25 <aspire> don't use a gui builder
May 22 03:38:33 <aspire> trust me :p
May 22 03:39:41 <aspire> lasserix, what happens when you try binding to a service you are already bound to?
May 22 03:39:42 <aspire> nothing happens?
May 22 03:39:55 <lasserix> onstartCommand may be called again i can't recall
May 22 03:40:04 <g00s> lasserix designing gui with java ?
May 22 03:40:05 <lasserix> aspire: i think a new activity is being created
May 22 03:40:07 <lasserix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28480017/android-notification-starting-new-instance-of-activity-no-matter-what-the-launch
May 22 03:40:14 <lasserix> g00s yeah was thinking of making a gooey logcat
May 22 03:40:30 <lasserix> good project for this weekend
May 22 03:40:36 <aspire> mhmmm
May 22 03:40:42 <g00s> lasserix oh. i guess javaFX
May 22 03:40:57 <lasserix> aspire: your notification is starting multiple activity instances
May 22 03:40:57 <TacticalJoke> That could be a fun project.
May 22 03:41:01 <g00s> but ... spinning up a jvm for lolcatting is kinda heavy
May 22 03:41:02 <TacticalJoke> Also easy to create something good.
May 22 03:41:07 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: yeah
May 22 03:41:14 <aspire> lasserix, eh
May 22 03:41:23 <lasserix> g00s on modern hardware? really?
May 22 03:41:33 <lasserix> aspire: ?
May 22 03:41:41 <TacticalJoke> In case you're into a CLI interface, a lot of people like pidcat, though I personally haven't tried it yet.
May 22 03:42:04 <aspire> im going to test this and see if i run into problems
May 22 03:42:08 <g00s> lasserix also look at multitail for all kinds of crazy ideas
May 22 03:42:33 <lasserix> g00s this? http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/
May 22 03:42:39 <g00s> lasserix yeah
May 22 03:43:01 <lasserix> TacticalJoke:i want to do things like sort on columns and other nonsense
May 22 03:43:12 <TacticalJoke> Yah, that'd be cool.
May 22 03:43:35 <TacticalJoke> The documentation says "[onDestroy] can happen either because the activity is finishing (someone called finish() on it, or because the system is temporarily destroying this instance of the activity to save space".  Does this mean that we get onDestroy if an app is running in the background and Android is killing all the visual components (but not the process)?
May 22 03:43:46 <TacticalJoke> (Referring to the 'or' part.)
May 22 03:43:54 <lasserix> i was also thinking of using chrome but i think those are written in javascript
May 22 03:44:02 <lasserix> groxx: are you around is that true do youi know?
May 22 03:44:37 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: what are you asking?
May 22 03:45:11 <TacticalJoke> If my app is running in the background for a long time and Android destroys the activities to reclaim RAM, will I get onDestroy for the activities?
May 22 03:45:25 <g00s> no
May 22 03:45:39 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I didn't expect so.
May 22 03:45:45 <TacticalJoke> I wonder what this means, though: "or because the system is temporarily destroying this instance of the activity to save space".
May 22 03:46:17 <TacticalJoke> At first I thought they meant screen rotations, but who knows.
May 22 03:46:54 <g00s> TacticalJoke theoretically, if your app is in the FG then it might destroy those activities on the stack
May 22 03:47:58 <TacticalJoke> Would I get onDestroy in that case (foreground)?
May 22 03:48:20 <g00s> yes if i recall
May 22 03:51:11 <g00s> TacticalJoke set 'dont keep activities' in dev opts
May 22 03:54:25 <groxx> lasserix: I've never seen it happen, but that's all I can claim
May 22 03:54:35 <lasserix> ?
May 22 03:54:40 <TacticalJoke> Ah, true.
May 22 03:54:44 <lasserix> didn't you make a chrome based android thingy?
May 22 03:55:35 <TacticalJoke> On a side note, I'm not sure that the scenario I described above is even possible (app in background; Android destroys all activities but doesn't kill process):  https://commonsware.com/blog/2011/10/03/activities-not-destroyed-to-free-heap-space.html
May 22 03:57:27 <groxx> lasserix: ooh, sorry, wrong message. rereading.
May 22 03:57:34 <groxx> and busy :|
May 22 03:58:56 <TacticalJoke> Ah, that's interesting -- with "Don't keep activities", when I open a new activity in front of the main activity, I get onPause with !isFinishing, and then I get onDestroy.  So there's a simple case of the kinda thing I was wondering about.
May 22 03:59:28 <TacticalJoke> (i.e., an onDestroy after an onPause without isFinishing being set.)
May 22 03:59:51 <groxx> lasserix: OK, no, I'm confused. what's the question?
May 22 04:00:59 <groxx> TacticalJoke: interesting. I hadn't noticed that !isFinishing thing
May 22 04:01:37 <groxx> TacticalJoke: but yeah, outside DKA I don't actually think it happens. nor will it ever - it would break too many apps in horrific ways.
May 22 04:02:57 <TacticalJoke> Ah.  The reason I'm asking all this is that I have some clean-up code in onDestroy, but I'd much rather put it in onPause { if (isFinishing()) { ... } }.  But I'm not sure I can justify it.
May 22 04:03:06 <TacticalJoke> It's unregister-me-from-the-event-bus kinda code.
May 22 04:03:24 <TacticalJoke> (We-might-leak-an-Activity-otherwise code.)
May 22 04:03:29 <g00s> it should go in onStop
May 22 04:03:53 <groxx> TacticalJoke: I'd just match the when-registered time. if onCreate, then onDestroy
May 22 04:04:14 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, registering in onCreate.
May 22 04:04:27 <g00s> register in onStart :)
May 22 04:04:42 <groxx> I find it's almost always either correct, or leads to more correct organization.  not 100%, but close :)
May 22 04:04:50 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  The issue then is that I might miss some events (because of my setup).
May 22 04:05:01 <luist> how can i make sure that my app has instantiated a webview before calling CookieManager.getInstance() ?
May 22 04:05:07 <g00s> TacticalJoke what kind of events ?
May 22 04:05:10 <TacticalJoke> Something could happen between onDestroy/onStop and onStart, for example.
May 22 04:05:16 <TacticalJoke> Downloads.
May 22 04:05:20 <TacticalJoke> (UI-related.)
May 22 04:05:54 <TacticalJoke> There's no risk of missing anything between onDestroy and onCreate when it comes to screen rotations (since they are guaranteed to be together in the message queue), so I'm happy with that idea.
May 22 04:06:39 <g00s> those kinds of assumptions lead to very brittle code
May 22 04:07:09 <lasserix> groxx oh maybe it wasn't you someone was showing some android tool they made that worked as a chrome (plugin/extension)
May 22 04:07:20 <lasserix> but i believe all chrome extensions are javascript
May 22 04:07:24 <lasserix> i was just wondering if that was the case
May 22 04:07:39 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: whata re you doing>?
May 22 04:12:37 <groxx> lasserix: ah. I modified the systrace tool's viewer lately. I have made chrome extensions before though, and done quite a bit of web work
May 22 04:14:26 <TacticalJoke> The thing I'm relying on is documented:  "A new instance of the activity will always be immediately created after this one's onDestroy() is called. In particular, no messages will be dispatched during this time (when the returned object does not have an activity to be associated with)."
May 22 04:14:33 <TacticalJoke> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#onRetainNonConfigurationInstance()
May 22 04:14:44 <TacticalJoke> Also Alex Lockwood talks about it in a few posts.
May 22 04:15:09 <TacticalJoke> e.g., "If the task were to complete concurrently in the background between onDestroy() and onCreate(), it would need to enqueue an event to be dispatched on the main UI thread's message queue. Since onDestroy() and onCreate() will have already been placed on the MessageQueue, it isn't possible to deliver the results in between these lifecycle events."
May 22 04:15:35 <g00s> gross :)
May 22 04:15:45 <TacticalJoke> I don't see what's gross about it.  :D
May 22 04:15:58 <TacticalJoke> There's no other way to solve my exact problem, I think.
May 22 04:16:59 <g00s> 90% of my app lives in service / datalater - activities & fragments just report whats going on
May 22 04:17:30 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I can see how services would help here.  I just can't justify that to myself for a reddit app (because my downloads are all UI-focused).
May 22 04:17:41 <TacticalJoke> Maybe the uploads could justify a service (I dunno).
May 22 04:17:56 <bilb_ono> I am trying to make a simple toolbar but it won't align to the top of my screen? I have a toolbar right there in the layout and there is a border around it. Do I need android:layout_alightParentTop?
May 22 04:18:12 <g00s> if you are downloading, yeah that should be in a service. and the result should go into some datalayer the UI can just pick up whenever
May 22 04:18:16 <bilb_ono> I feel like this is a simple problem but I haven't found anything on google, or at least I don't know what to google
May 22 04:18:17 <TacticalJoke> bilb_ono:  You shouldn't need that.  I guess post the XML.
May 22 04:19:22 <bilb_ono> https://bpaste.net/show/1029fd13cc84
May 22 04:20:20 <TacticalJoke> Where is the toolbar appearing (I've never tried setting a single View as an Activity's content)?
May 22 04:21:25 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  Here, though, the worst-case scenario is that I miss a download.  But that'll happen only if my activity dies (in which case I'm happy to miss the download).
May 22 04:21:34 <TacticalJoke> I can see some advantages to services, but not using them seems so much simpler to me.
May 22 04:21:46 <g00s> services are so simple ...
May 22 04:21:52 <lasserix> bilb_ono: you need to include the full xml
May 22 04:21:56 <bilb_ono> https://bpaste.net/show/c39700b2cd22
May 22 04:21:56 <g00s> the binding bs is pita but you don't need that
May 22 04:21:59 <lasserix> specifically the parent of the toolbar and its parent
May 22 04:22:16 <lasserix> bilb its all that padding
May 22 04:22:18 <lasserix> in the relative layout
May 22 04:23:00 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: downloading like files you mean?
May 22 04:23:02 <bilb_ono> ahhhh im an idiot
May 22 04:23:10 <bilb_ono> thanks lasserix and TacticalJoke
May 22 04:23:23 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Just reddit stuff (posts, comments, whatever).
May 22 04:23:23 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: you should def put downloading of files and big images in a service
May 22 04:23:32 <lasserix> for your UI
May 22 04:23:34 <lasserix> right?
May 22 04:23:40 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, just UI stuff.
May 22 04:23:48 <lasserix> oh ok then service is overkill
May 22 04:23:49 <TacticalJoke> I want the downloads to fail if the UI goes down, though.  :)
May 22 04:23:58 <TacticalJoke> I don't want greater priority.
May 22 04:24:01 <lasserix> well you could use a service
May 22 04:24:06 <lasserix> just send it a message to cancel
May 22 04:24:22 <TacticalJoke> Sorry, I mean "if the app is killed when running in the background".
May 22 04:24:33 <TacticalJoke> The data I'm downloading is (a) not important and (b) tied to a UI.
May 22 04:25:09 <TacticalJoke> I was thinking of using a service for posting reddit comments (because that's not tied to a UI).
May 22 04:25:11 <lasserix> sorry i dont see the problem
May 22 04:25:20 <lasserix> you can use intent service
May 22 04:25:25 <lasserix> just send a message on complete
May 22 04:25:28 <lasserix> to upload
May 22 04:26:10 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I was thinking of that for uploading.
May 22 04:27:32 <groxx> TacticalJoke: oh yeah, I love guarantees like that. they make lifecycle management easy.
May 22 04:27:51 <groxx> and there are so few documented guarantees :|
May 22 04:28:46 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I was surprised this was documented.
May 22 04:28:53 <g00s> TacticalJoke are you using support fragments ?
May 22 04:29:14 <TacticalJoke> I'm not using fragments yet (hopefully at all :D).  Though I will use support fragments if I end up using fragments.
May 22 04:30:04 <TacticalJoke> I'll have to research services more (since I'm not very knowledgeable about them).
May 22 04:30:10 <ventura> TacticalJoke: how do i remove actionbar from a AppCompatActivity subclass?
May 22 04:30:20 <TacticalJoke> Theme.AppCompat.NoActionBar.
May 22 04:31:01 <TacticalJoke> I just set it for my entire app.
May 22 04:32:00 <surf2b1> How many years do you think it will take before everyone is using the native Toolbar?
May 22 04:33:46 <surf2b1> Hardly anyone supports pre-honeycomb so maybe 4 years
May 22 04:34:35 <TacticalJoke> I suspect that people'll be using ActionBar till the death of Android.
May 22 04:35:15 <ventura> TacticalJoke: jesus! why people don’t create a organized styles file
May 22 04:36:08 <surf2b1> TacticalJoke: I'm not saying they won't use an ActionBar.
May 22 04:36:22 <surf2b1> when everyone will switch to android.app.Toolbar
May 22 04:37:26 <ventura> surf2b1: i am working on a app that was rewritten from scratch last month…. and they used actionbar
May 22 04:37:52 <surf2b1> ActionBar = Toolbar on Lollipop
May 22 04:37:52 <aspire> lasserix, i set my activity's launchMode to singleInstance :p
May 22 04:38:18 <lasserix> javafx uses css nice
May 22 04:38:51 <lasserix> aspire: nice
May 22 04:39:30 <aspire> didn't have to worry about restoring everything so it's all good
May 22 04:45:07 <lasserix> wtf why does intellij not have inline updating
May 22 04:45:11 <lasserix> so f--cking primitive
May 22 04:45:49 <TacticalJoke> Inline updating for what?
May 22 04:47:33 <lasserix> version
May 22 04:47:44 <lasserix> you have to quit uninstall previous version and reinstall
May 22 04:47:58 <lasserix> "Update Available" "Kill me?"
May 22 04:48:23 <TacticalJoke> I get updates for AS.  Haven't tried IntelliJ lately, though.
May 22 04:50:15 <chinu_> I am removing Status bar and title bar in android device but whenever I am running the root command my whole device locks to the lockscreen , it is a bad UX for users , can i override the lock screen after my command ?
May 22 04:51:43 <TacticalJoke> Not sure if app-dev question or android-root question.
May 22 04:52:33 <surf2b1> chinu_: what is the shell command you are running?
May 22 04:54:17 <chinu_> surf2b1 : rootManager.runCommand("service call activity 42 s16 com.android.systemui");
May 22 04:56:34 <surf2b1> chinu_: are you trying to restart com.android.systemui?
May 22 04:57:04 <surf2b1> If so, you need to restart it right after you run that command with "am startservice -n com.android.systemui/.SystemUIService"
May 22 04:57:23 <chinu_> surf2b1 : No , When I am running this command it refreshes the whole UI of the device and removes the status bar and title bar but it also send me to the lock screen part and after unlocing my app starts
May 22 04:57:49 <surf2b1> try running the shell command I posted right after you send the first command
May 22 04:58:00 <chinu_> Is it possible to override the lockscreen just after this stage ?
May 22 04:58:18 <chinu_> restart com.android.systemui ?
May 22 04:58:38 <chinu_> should I run this just after my first command ? surf2b1
May 22 04:58:50 <surf2b1> chinu_: yes
May 22 05:03:00 <ventura> is it a poor programming practice use callbacks in java or just a programming style?
May 22 05:03:55 <surf2b1> ventura: no, but you should consider an EventBus. https://github.com/greenrobot/EventBus https://github.com/square/otto
May 22 05:05:22 <g00s> TacticalJoke oh oh, reddit is down :)
May 22 05:05:27 <ventura> surf2b1: i didn’t know this exist. thx. usually i implement my event handler manually
May 22 05:06:04 <ventura> i am dealing with a pyramid of doom: 4 levels of callbacks
May 22 05:06:24 <lasserix> ventura -> interface = callback
May 22 05:06:39 <lasserix> overusing them is probably ppor programming practice
May 22 05:06:52 <g00s> ventura callbacks are fine. you can use rxjava to create a chain
May 22 05:07:17 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  I was worried my app was broken.  Another app on my phone is working fine.  ;o
May 22 05:07:35 <TacticalJoke> Okay, weird.  Down in browser too.
May 22 05:07:36 <g00s> TacticalJoke so now is a good time to test your app
May 22 05:07:45 <g00s> make sure it handles emergency downtime :D
May 22 05:07:48 <ventura> g00s: this is not my code. only adding features to it and i can’t change the arch :-\
May 22 05:08:01 <g00s> and presents UI to user that its not the app, but reddit is down in emergency
May 22 05:08:16 <TacticalJoke> Okay, never mind: the other app was reading from a cache.
May 22 05:08:21 <TacticalJoke> That is insane, though.  It caches everything.
May 22 05:08:33 <g00s> TacticalJoke thats smart, in this case ...
May 22 05:08:36 <g00s> lol
May 22 05:08:43 <TacticalJoke> The cache is from weeks ago, though.  :D
May 22 05:08:47 <lasserix> always surprises me that lighters survive the washingman just fine
May 22 05:08:49 <ventura> g00s: for example, no service or intentservices are used to https requests
May 22 05:08:54 <TacticalJoke> The app drives me crazy: every time I open it, it takes about 200MB.
May 22 05:08:58 <TacticalJoke> And my phone is running out of space.
May 22 05:09:23 <lasserix> your app?
May 22 05:09:27 <TacticalJoke> Nah.
May 22 05:09:35 <g00s> ventura then i dont see how event bus will help you
May 22 05:09:37 <TacticalJoke> My app is very minimalistic in its caching.
May 22 05:09:37 <lasserix> oh the other reddit app
May 22 05:09:50 <lasserix> yeah seems kinda pointless to cache too much
May 22 05:09:50 <TacticalJoke> My app's philosophy is that nobody cares about old reddit stuff.  :D
May 22 05:09:55 <lasserix> yeah exactly!
May 22 05:10:17 <TacticalJoke> I should send it to you again soon, lasserix.
May 22 05:10:19 <lasserix> do you h ave a stable build?
May 22 05:10:21 <lasserix> hehe
May 22 05:10:21 <TacticalJoke> It's a whole different app now.  lol
May 22 05:10:25 <lasserix> jinx!
May 22 05:10:27 <TacticalJoke> It's pretty stable.  :D
May 22 05:10:32 <lasserix> please do
May 22 05:10:37 <ventura> g00s: no fragments, no services, no material design, no content provider
May 22 05:10:39 <TacticalJoke> Thanks!
May 22 05:11:30 <TacticalJoke> What do we do now that reddit is down?
May 22 05:11:44 <lasserix> now that ive seen most of the app ideas on my stack have been developed guess i should jump into making some of the games before those get somehow made
May 22 05:11:46 <g00s> we stop wasting time :)
May 22 05:11:53 <capella> \o/
May 22 05:11:55 <burntcookie90> sleep?
May 22 05:12:01 <lasserix> i had an idea for a sheep dog game and someone made it like down to the last detail of what i had in mind
May 22 05:12:26 <groxx> TacticalJoke: we beat our flappy bird score
May 22 05:12:33 <lasserix> what what
May 22 05:12:33 <TacticalJoke> Wait, people still have that?  ;o
May 22 05:12:39 <TacticalJoke> I lost my copy.  :\
May 22 05:12:52 <TacticalJoke> I guess there are clones now.  Hmm.
May 22 05:13:02 <lasserix> droves of clones
May 22 05:13:20 <g00s> TacticalJoke but if reddit is down, your app shows no content? or some at least ?
May 22 05:13:20 <lasserix> i want minimal apps that help you be a smarter person
May 22 05:13:26 <lasserix> i dont see too many that quite get it right
May 22 05:13:35 <TacticalJoke> It just shows "reddit is down" so far.  :D
May 22 05:13:43 <TacticalJoke> If they force-refresh (and bypass the cache).
May 22 05:13:45 <lasserix> you should add pong or something
May 22 05:13:46 <capella> http://www.bigfishgames.com/games/2235/elf-bowling-7-17-the-last-insult/
May 22 05:13:52 <TacticalJoke> Maybe I could add Flappy Birds.
May 22 05:13:53 <capella> hehehe - i love that game
May 22 05:14:23 <lasserix> capella: except the elves should have facial expressions
May 22 05:14:29 <lasserix> like the space game can't remember the name
May 22 05:14:40 <lasserix> weebils or something
May 22 05:14:48 <groxx> that, or I'm currently looking at http://cl.ly/image/3r0p2X110m3V
May 22 05:14:54 <lasserix> the elves should be like --- oo OOO AHHH!
May 22 05:15:14 <surf2b1> find copy of flappy bird -> decompile and add your admob id -> publish to the masses -> profit
May 22 05:15:23 <surf2b1> don't do that. it's evil
May 22 05:15:50 <TacticalJoke> reddit is back.
May 22 05:16:03 <ventura> have anyone implemented an oauth authentication flow and backend service?
May 22 05:16:10 <TacticalJoke> Unless my app has some really weird bug.
May 22 05:36:44 <groxx> \o g'night all, I'm off for the evening
May 22 05:39:04 <perlsyntax> ok
May 22 05:39:08 <perlsyntax> :)
May 22 05:39:25 <g00s> gnight groxx , don't let the android bugs bite :)
May 22 05:44:29 <groxx> g00s: it's far too late for that
May 22 06:01:54 * TacticalJoke reads groxx a bedtime story.
May 22 06:02:28 <barq> What screen size does the Nexus 5 report to Android?
May 22 06:05:49 <barq> xlarge?
May 22 06:22:26 <groxx> barq: almost definitely not. xlarge is tablets, right?
May 22 06:23:34 <Ashiren> and not all, mostly those 10"
May 22 06:24:51 <barq> groxx: xlarge screens are at least 960dp x 720dp according to http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html. The N5 has 1920x1080 pixels and 445 dpi. So roughly 690dp x 288dp
May 22 06:25:08 <barq> 388*
May 22 06:25:25 <barq> So that would b normal screen then if normal screens are at least 470dp x 320dp
May 22 06:26:08 <barq> If I understand this correclty that is.
May 22 06:28:49 <lasserix> physical size and dp are not one to one
May 22 06:29:17 <lasserix> that is why you are supposed to use -w and -sw suffixes these days
May 22 06:34:27 <g00s> the FAB in iosched 2015 looks messed up
May 22 06:37:10 <TacticalJoke> What do you folks think about an event bus using WeakReferences instead of requiring unsubscribing?  Is that a bad idea?
May 22 06:37:33 <TacticalJoke> (I guess one issue is that, AFAIK, collection is non-deterministic with WeakReferences.)
May 22 06:41:00 <barq> lasserix: I thought the formula for conversion was px = dp * (dpi / 160). Which means that if the N5 has 445 dpi, 1dp = 2,78125px.
May 22 06:41:16 <g00s> i haven't used weakrefs anywhere; dont use event bus either anymore TacticalJoke
May 22 06:41:53 <TacticalJoke> Ah, okay.
May 22 06:41:56 <g00s> man, on google Keep, who's dumbass idea was it to have white text with a light yellow bg ?
May 22 06:42:10 <TacticalJoke> I wonder whether I'll end up drinking the Rx Kool Aid.  :D
May 22 06:42:17 <TacticalJoke> Maybe when I'm using Kotlin.
May 22 06:49:42 <g00s> "Fine particulate air pollution linked to risk of childhood autism", hmm ... interesting. there are clusters in CA, wonder if they correlate to high pollution areas
May 22 06:51:42 <barq> IE explorer usage linked to murder rate.
May 22 06:56:46 <g00s> barq at the moon :)
May 22 06:57:00 <barq> ?
May 22 06:57:16 <Zharf> bbq at the moon?
May 22 06:57:19 <capella> is he a mawg?
May 22 06:57:55 <capella> ( part man, part dog .... he's his own best friend :p )
May 22 06:58:05 <barq> lol
May 22 06:58:17 <capella> heh - spaceballs joke
May 22 07:01:26 <barq> Is my calculation for the N5 correct, though?
May 22 07:18:53 <stanford_drone> Does anyone know C/C++, Computer Vision/Image Processing, Machine Learning, AI, linux systems programming, or electronics? I'm looking for a programmer to join my Startup. We're going to China (manufacturing is there) from July to November. We're a team of 4. We're building a flying computer. A drone that you can play games with and install apps on.
May 22 07:19:22 <g00s> stanford_drone how many times do you have to be reminded, no advertising ?
May 22 07:20:04 <capella-s3> him again?
May 22 07:24:04 <bhans> lol
May 22 07:32:46 <JesusFreke> stanford_drone: in here either ;)
May 22 07:58:09 <g00s> interesting https://medium.com/@hfuecks/11-app-ranking-factors-8e4a8debdc67
May 22 07:58:25 <g00s> i would have thought "Recently Updated" would count on Play
May 22 08:01:04 <GladiaTeur> is there free android irc client chat template to edit ?
May 22 08:03:26 <g00s> chat template ?
May 22 08:04:25 <barq> Can I use the tablet layouts introduced in v13 if my minSdkVersion is 10?
May 22 08:04:26 <capella> complete functioning code he can tweak and brand?
May 22 08:06:42 <GladiaTeur> g00s yes for ircd
May 22 08:07:39 <barq> But targetSdkVersion is 22?
May 22 08:15:38 <zoraj> hi guys, where can I see Gradle detail error ? every time I do "Make Project" or "Build" or "Run" I got "A fatal exception has occured. Program will exit."
May 22 08:15:54 <zoraj> I'm using Android Studio 1.2
May 22 08:16:29 <zoraj> even when I clean the project, I still got the same message
May 22 08:17:31 <Ponsen> Good morning @ all! I want to enable speech to text for an app. Requirement for this, is to work offline. So I'm playing around with the speech recognition API and it seems to work flawless online (a lot inspired by this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21695522/getting-speech-to-text-android ). But it seems not bo be working offline (I'm getting errors like "ERROR_NO_MATCH" or "ERROR_REVOGNIZER_BUSY", since i'm restarting onError). But I saw, that t
May 22 08:18:15 <samB__> How do some indie developers get ranked so high in the Google Store with short descriptions?
May 22 08:18:31 <samB__> Wouldn’t that mean they have much less keywords
May 22 08:20:19 <samB__> That would make it much more difficult to get noticed in the first place right?
May 22 08:22:27 <surf2b1> samB__: big following on social networks. They get a lot of downloads from reviews on popular android blogs. They have fanboys, etc
May 22 08:23:15 <surf2b1> samB__: and they make good shit, usually
May 22 08:23:34 <samB__> surf2b1: Yeah that make sense
May 22 08:23:59 <samB__> This guy is ranked at 58 in education: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=maddy.toddlershapes
May 22 08:24:08 <samB__> Couldn’t find him on social media
May 22 08:24:21 <samB__> Was just curious how he got so high
May 22 08:24:54 <Ponsen> samB__: there are way to get that high^^
May 22 08:25:00 <Ponsen> *ways
May 22 08:25:01 <surf2b1> yeah.. I think google uses Math.random when ranking sometimes
May 22 08:25:27 <yoavst> How do you set max height to webview?
May 22 08:25:47 <samB__> Ponsen: I know things like ratings, installs and user engagement help
May 22 08:25:49 <yoavst> tried set height in layout params, but it didn't work. I want it to be on the size I set, and scale to fit
May 22 08:25:52 <surf2b1> now you can pay for a bunch of people to download your app to get high in the rankings. A lot of BS like that
May 22 08:26:24 <samB__> But without good keywords it would be really hard to get any initial visibility
May 22 08:26:49 <samB__> surf2b1: Yeah I read that but Google finds and bans people who do that
May 22 08:26:52 <samB__> which makes sense
May 22 08:27:58 <samB__> Some guys have super good descriptions but are are ranked much lower
May 22 08:28:45 <samB__> I’ve just finished a game so trying to figure all this stuff out
May 22 08:29:31 <surf2b1> samB__: from my experience it isn't about your description. It's about getting on social networks and blogs to get people to see it.
May 22 08:29:48 <surf2b1> Even with a good description you will be very low in the rankings until your app gets downloads
May 22 08:30:38 <samB__> surf2b1: I could start social networking but something like that takes time to build  a following. Is there much point to emailing a bunch of blogs with links or do they tend to focus on the bigger  dev?
May 22 08:30:39 <samB__> *devs
May 22 08:31:09 <surf2b1> samB__: they will probably ignore you unless you are willing to spend some $$ on advertising.
May 22 08:31:34 <samB__> I would spend it if I had it  :D
May 22 08:33:23 <samB__> That guy I posted doesn’t seem to have any social networks so perhaps he did pay for advertising like you mentioned
May 22 08:35:01 <yoavst> looks like I solved the width problem. How do you scale in webview so it will fit without scrolling?
May 22 08:35:42 <VnM> That'd be a JavaScript question
May 22 08:38:27 <the_cyber_guy> anyone having idea how ad networks detect fake installs like from those users who change their device id and IP to install apps targeted for other countries?
May 22 08:42:55 <samB__> I think my best bet is to make the description as good as possible and try a few sites to see if they are interested
May 22 08:43:41 <samB__> Apart from that I’m not sure if there much I can do to gain visibility after lunching
May 22 08:58:16 <wakelock> samB__, did you not see g00s's link? your app description is worthless as far as rankings go
May 22 08:59:32 <samB__> wakelock: Sorry I must have missed that, could you post the link?
May 22 09:00:04 <wakelock> no, I'm on the phone, just look up
May 22 09:01:16 <barq> samB__: https://medium.com/@hfuecks/11-app-ranking-factors-8e4a8debdc67
May 22 09:01:54 <samB__> Thanks barq,  I could only go as far back as 9:17am
May 22 09:02:42 <wakelock> he posted that at 9:58
May 22 09:02:49 <barq> Depending on the time zone that may or may not be sufficient.
May 22 09:03:14 <wakelock> you fail at url spotting, samB__ :p
May 22 09:04:31 <samB__> barq ’s right I think I just missed it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1y2fvfokxxm8r1d/Screen%20Shot%202015-05-22%20at%2010.03.19.png?dl=0
May 22 09:04:33 <samB__> :)
May 22 09:05:00 <barq> :p
May 22 09:05:21 <barq> Not GMT then.
May 22 09:06:47 <barq> If a feature is introduced in a certain SDK version, does my min or targetSdk need to be greater or equal to it in order to use it?
May 22 09:07:32 <Mavrik> define "use"
May 22 09:07:40 <Mavrik> you need targetSdk greater so it'll compile
May 22 09:07:52 <Mavrik> and device must be at least that sdk so you can invoke it
May 22 09:08:34 <barq> So my minSdkVersion is 10, and I want to use the v13 tablet layouts. So can my apk contain these tablet layouts and they will only be used if the device is >= 13 and disregarded otherwise or will they cause problems on devices <13?
May 22 09:13:34 <surf2b1> barq: put them in layouts-v13
May 22 09:14:35 <barq> OK
May 22 09:14:37 <barq> Thanks.
May 22 09:15:44 <surf2b1> unless you never use the layout in pre-13. Then they should be fine in the normal layout folder (i think)
May 22 09:19:44 <barq> No, I need the layout for all versions.
May 22 09:20:06 <barq> Couldn't think of a case where a layout is only used for some versions and not for others.
May 22 09:20:38 <Troffel> well, if you want to only use a fragment for certain versions. It's layout would be just that
May 22 09:21:47 <barq> How could I prevent a fragment from being used in one version and not another?
May 22 09:22:06 <barq> Only if referenced by another layout.xml?
May 22 09:23:14 <wakelock> with -vXX buckets
May 22 09:24:03 <barq> So one -vXX bucket references the layout then I can just put it in normal folder, because other vXX will not referenece it. Ok, but not option to do this programmatically.
May 22 09:38:11 <kjeldahl> F***, I hate IDEs (Android Studio). 20 minutes to convince the IDE to actually compile and use my updated source file (that I updated IN the IDE).
May 22 09:38:30 <chinu_> I have a grid view and above it a lenear layout which is hidden, I am trying to show the lenear layout on grid item click , but it works sometimes and does not , I think when the grid view animate down when linear layout is visible the touch listner of the perticular element is lost for a while , but when i scroll the grid view a little the button start working
May 22 09:40:48 <chinu_> kjeldahl : 20 minute ? 2 Hours last week , Bitch please
May 22 09:43:23 <kjeldahl> chinu_: :-) Only reason I use it is because handholding is useful with new languages (Kotlin).
May 22 09:46:35 <chinu_> kjeldahl : ok , can you look at my problem ?
May 22 09:46:45 <chinu_> kjeldahl : I have a grid view and above it a lenear layout which is hidden, I am trying to show the lenear layout on grid item click , but it works sometimes and does not , I think when the grid view animate down when linear layout is visible the touch listner of the perticular element is lost for a while , but when i scroll the grid view a little the button start working
May 22 09:47:40 <sci-fic> hey,i need to share a text in facebook without any permission popup
May 22 09:47:59 <sci-fic> im trying webviews etc, but its hard to get call back from if user shared
May 22 09:48:05 <sci-fic> what should i do
May 22 09:48:30 <ChampS_> I'm trying to integrate appcompat in my android app, but everytime I got an error when I use <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light">
May 22 09:49:56 <ChampS_> I've an android-support-v7-appcompat projekt and my main android app have this support project as dependency in it's build path
May 22 09:50:10 <ChampS_> *project
May 22 09:51:40 <jackcom> android latest version is lollipop?
May 22 09:51:59 <ChampS_> <uses-sdk
May 22 09:51:59 <ChampS_>         android:minSdkVersion="10"
May 22 09:51:59 <ChampS_>         android:targetSdkVersion="22" />
May 22 09:59:15 <ChampS_> jackom is this the right targetsdkversion?
May 22 09:59:54 <jackcom> Chainfire: ?
May 22 10:00:01 <jackcom> ChampS_: ?
May 22 10:00:30 <ChampS_> oh sry thought this question was related to my question
May 22 10:00:50 <ChampS_> the answer to your question is yes, lolipop is the latest android version
May 22 10:00:58 <jackcom> 8) thanks
May 22 10:01:21 <jackcom> how can i study android app? ChampS_ ?
May 22 10:03:26 <ChampS_> you can try tutorials
May 22 10:03:28 <ChampS_> like vogella
May 22 10:04:04 <jackcom> vogella?
May 22 10:04:10 <jackcom> what is it? ChampS_ ?
May 22 10:04:20 <ChampS_> a bunch of tutorials
May 22 10:04:28 <ChampS_> use google to search for vogella
May 22 10:04:55 <jackcom> http://www.vogella.com/
May 22 10:05:00 <jackcom> is it right?
May 22 10:05:25 <jackcom> ChampS_: ?
May 22 10:06:25 <ChampS_> yes jackcom
May 22 10:06:41 <jackcom> 8) thanks ChampS_
May 22 10:10:12 <hert> hey guys i put an image on canvas and draw on it  using motionEvent, the thing is on the white canvas i can draw multiple things but once the image is added when i draw something the previous one disappear like it's resetting the whole canvas each time i move finger http://pastebin.com/tcDny49F i' m not sure where i making the mistake
May 22 10:10:27 <nb-ben> hi, does SurfaceHolder#unlockCanvasAndPost(Canvas) wait for vsync?
May 22 10:10:47 <nb-ben> or at least, on supporting devices
May 22 10:13:48 <jackcom> ChampS_: this is tutorial that i want find. very nice thanks :)
May 22 10:17:00 <ChampS_> np jackcom :)
May 22 10:17:08 <jackcom> 8) ChampS_
May 22 10:18:55 <br0mahn> hey guys
May 22 10:19:00 <br0mahn> what is up?
May 22 10:21:23 <hert> guys anyone knows ab bit about canvas and motionevent drawing?
May 22 10:21:55 <ChampS_> nope :(
May 22 10:29:12 <ChampS_> br0mahn do you know appcompat?
May 22 10:30:54 <br0mahn> ChampS_: y-yea. Which version?
May 22 10:34:16 <jutsi> how come my apps memory usage just keeps going up? it went from 28mb to 31.5mb in like 8 minutes and im sure it will continue to rise
May 22 10:34:28 <jutsi> I'm testing on a genymotion emu
May 22 10:34:40 <br0mahn> caching problem?
May 22 10:35:07 <jutsi> could you elaborate?
May 22 10:39:53 <jutsi> Is there a chart of memory usage anywhere? I couldn't find on google, but im pretty horrible at google
May 22 10:41:39 <jutsi> strange.. it jumped all the way up to 56mb for a few minutes, then back down to 31mb
May 22 10:41:39 <br0mahn> What IDE are you using? Afaik, latest Android Studio has memory usage viewer built in
May 22 10:41:48 <jutsi> yes thats the one im using
May 22 10:42:11 <jutsi> ah, but by charts i meant like a chart of avg. memory usage etc
May 22 10:42:59 <jutsi> 56mb is quite considerable for older phones with only 256mb
May 22 10:43:05 <ChampS_> [12:30:52] <br0mahn> ChampS_: y-yea. Which version? <<< I've an android-support-v7-appcompat projekt and my main android app have this support project as dependency in it's build path
May 22 10:44:30 <br0mahn> jutsi: It could be that your app has background service running
May 22 10:44:42 <br0mahn> check your dependencies
May 22 10:45:31 <jutsi> where  can i find those in AS?
May 22 10:45:34 <jutsi> im used to eclipse
May 22 10:45:40 <br0mahn> I've had issues with bitmaps caching before
May 22 10:45:58 <jutsi> hmm i do use quite a few bitmaps
May 22 10:46:32 <jutsi> Ok i think i've identified the issue
May 22 10:46:52 <jutsi> I have one imageview that loads in different pictures.. the memory usage seems to be dependant on what picture is currently being shown
May 22 10:47:41 <ChampS_> br0mahn: I'm trying to integrate appcompat in my android app, but everytime I got an error when I use <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light">
May 22 10:49:56 <jutsi> could not closing inputstreams cause a memory issue?
May 22 10:51:30 <br0mahn> ChampS_: have you imported a correct version of appcompat in your gradle.build?
May 22 10:51:39 <br0mahn> jutsi: maybe..
May 22 10:52:46 <jutsi> how do you know which appcompat is the right one?
May 22 10:54:27 <adq> eheh pfn, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30379624/usage-of-renderscript-to-implement-bouncycastles-blockcipher-on-android-is-slow
May 22 10:59:15 <jutsi> could it be that the imageview stores a history?
May 22 10:59:28 <jutsi> i mean, do the images get saved by the backstack or something?
May 22 10:59:46 <jutsi> if i change the image enough times, the memory usage goes down
May 22 10:59:53 <Ravenheart> darkbasic
May 22 11:00:03 <Ravenheart> now there's a language i haven't heard in a long time
May 22 11:03:05 <ChampS_> [12:51:28] <br0mahn> ChampS_: have you imported a correct version of appcompat in your gradle.build? <<< using eclipse adt, but imported the appcompat from sdk directory
May 22 11:03:28 <Mccs> hello everyone    please describe Context in android for me clearly
May 22 11:03:53 <Troffel> that's already done a million places on the interwebz
May 22 11:04:17 <jutsi> Mccs http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+android+context
May 22 11:04:49 <Mccs> jutsi :thanks please give a linke about cursor
May 22 11:04:58 <Leeds> Mccs: it's like swearing
May 22 11:06:19 <joakimk_> Does anyone know about problems with thumbnails "piling up" on Android devices? https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39546
May 22 11:06:32 <jutsi> lmgtfy is often used sarcasticly
May 22 11:06:52 * wakelock smells a troll
May 22 11:08:20 <VnM> Sorry that's me, didn't have time to show this morning
May 22 11:08:25 <joakimk_> Is this a known issue? I've been having some problems with an app, where I'm loading from MediaStore.Images.Thumbnails. If I wipe the (virtual) device (image file in Android Studio), old thumbnails keep reappearing...
May 22 11:08:42 * wakelock douses VnM in bleach
May 22 11:08:45 <wakelock> with*
May 22 11:09:36 <wakelock> joakimk_, yes this happens, I believe it is entirely up to mediaserver to handle that
May 22 11:09:50 <rohit7roy> Does anyone know how to get Delivery Receipt in Smack ?
May 22 11:09:53 <kjeldahl> My time to ask ignorant Android Studio questions. I've got kotlin source files configured, and when I clean/rebuild project, everything works fine. But a simple "Run" whenever I modify a kotlin source file isn't picked up properly. Any idea why a clean build works, but it's not picking up me modifying a source file?
May 22 11:10:21 <kjeldahl> "Not picked up properly" meaning "not recompiled".
May 22 11:10:39 <joakimk_> At least, in order to write a "gallery-type app", I guess it's important to query MediaStore.Images.Media? Then, one could JOIN with Thumbnails, and get the thumbnail for each image on the phone, rather than simply trust whatever is in MediaStore.Images.Thumbnails
May 22 11:11:31 <wakelock> yes gallery type apps are a special breed when it comes to this
May 22 11:11:38 <joakimk_> wakelock: so, MediaStore.Images.Media can be trusted, then? It will contain the images actually on the device, at all time?
May 22 11:11:43 <joakimk_> ^ any time
May 22 11:12:06 <MartialLaw> hey guys... I got myself a good 'ol ListView and the rows have an AutoCompleteTextView in them... the problem is that I can't get the damn things to focus. I tap on them, they gain focus and a split second later they lose it..... any ideas?
May 22 11:14:36 <wakelock> joakimk_, yes and no. like I said, it depends entirely on mediaserver, and that can be weird and capricious at times
May 22 11:30:11 <advy> Hi, I am using recycler view with around 10-12 different view types, which is making scroll very laggy. How can I make scroll performance better? Is there a way I can pre-fetch certain view?
May 22 11:34:36 <MartialLaw> advy: use getItemViewType and viewTypeCount... use accordingly in getView() to inflate proper layouts using if statements... also use viewholder pattern
May 22 11:34:39 <MartialLaw> should be okay
May 22 11:38:43 <advy> MartialLaw, I am using viewholder pattern. Every view has its own viewholder which is in itself a bit complex. For example one of the view type has horizontal recyclerview inside it, one of it has a grid view. Is there a way I can prefetch these views?
May 22 11:40:40 <MartialLaw> advy: First I wouldn't use different viewholders just use one which contains all the views... the rule goes try to do as little as possible in the getView method. that is what will slow things down.... are you inflating the different layouts correctly meaning overriding getItemViewType and viewTypeCount??
May 22 11:41:39 <MartialLaw> advy: the problem I always have with using multiple layouts in a listview/recyclerview is the same as yours but really what you have to do is keep tweaking it bit by bit to see what is slowing it down... do you have images? are you loading them properly? what kind of business are you doing in your getView?
May 22 11:41:47 <MartialLaw> advy: can I see your getView?
May 22 11:41:54 <MartialLaw> or your whole adapter for that matter
May 22 11:44:43 <advy> Yes I am overriding getItemViewType and viewTypeCount. Putting everything into one viewholder makes it very difficult to manage and adapter file become really huge and complex. So I am following somthing similar to this https://github.com/yqritc/RecyclerView-MultipleViewTypesAdapter
May 22 11:45:42 <MartialLaw> can i see your adapter?
May 22 11:45:49 <advy> MartialLaw, I like his approach to solve mutiple view types problem in recyclerview
May 22 11:46:55 <br0mahn> Guys, I have a personal issue. I don't know where to go and cry about it. But I'm just gonna do it here...
May 22 11:47:29 <br0mahn> I.. I'm having problems understanding dependancy injection in android using dagger :(
May 22 11:48:08 <advy> MartialLaw, My adapter is as simple as this https://github.com/yqritc/RecyclerView-MultipleViewTypesAdapter/blob/master/sample/src/main/java/com/yqritc/recyclerviewmultipleviewtypesadapter/sample/adapter/SampleListAdapter.java I am just adding all my view to addAllBinder
May 22 11:51:04 <advy> MartialLaw, https://github.com/yqritc/RecyclerView-MultipleViewTypesAdapter/blob/master/library/src/main/java/com/yqritc/recyclerviewmultipleviewtypesadapter/ListBindAdapter.java this is where getItemViewType is overriden
May 22 11:52:38 <samB__> Is the only way to test my in app purchases by publishing my app?
May 22 11:53:14 <Meowser> idk, but id like to know because i am thinking about putting IAP in my app
May 22 11:56:41 <hert> i've been trying to do this for a few days and now wondering if it's doable, i need a canvas loaded with an image sent through intent, then user can pinch, pan, zoom and draw rectangles on it, they can then click any rectangle go to a popup/activity and add data associated with that rectangle is this possible?
May 22 12:06:35 <jutsi> Has anyone ever added something similar to a parallalx effect in GUI? If so, how did it work out?
May 22 12:20:08 <jutsi> Has anyone tried xamarin?
May 22 12:23:51 <jutsi> Does android run GC when you close an app?
May 22 12:27:15 <kjeldahl> If anybody is using AS with kotlin successfully, I'm really interested in hearing which kotlin-plugin versions you're using.
May 22 12:33:33 <FoosMasta> Trying this…http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17625622/how-to-completely-uninstall-android-studio/18458893#18458893
May 22 12:34:02 <FoosMasta> I’m getting this error on Mac: the following sdk components were not installed sys-img-x86-addon-google_apis-google-22
May 22 12:38:04 <rohit7roy> wakelock: ur suggestion wasnt enough !!! Finally I had to roll back to paly services 6.5
May 22 12:41:16 <ChampS_> FoosMasta then install this sys-img? think you can find it in sdk manager
May 22 12:42:03 <ventura> Udacity Advanced Android App Development https://goo.gl/64Pyih
May 22 12:42:23 <FoosMasta> I think it’s because I had “Download from Anywhere” disabled in my mac security prefs disabled. It’s downloading now
May 22 12:44:32 <kjeldahl> I've narrowed down my kotlin trouble; definitively gradle build related. I get the same behaviour from cmdline gradle; the only way I can get it to rebuild (after changing my .kt files) is to remove the build directory.
May 22 12:44:52 <kjeldahl> Really weird; it knows about my kotlin files (since compile and build works fine from scratch), but it's not picking up any changes to them to rebuild.
May 22 12:45:32 <FoosMasta> ChampS_: Works now…launches without any errors
May 22 12:45:58 <ChampS_> good :)
May 22 13:02:31 <kjeldahl> Nailed it! Retrolambda and Kotlin plugins are incompatible. Having Retrolambda active will mess up build order, so any Kotlin changes will not get put in the right place before Android plugin packages it (or something to that effect).
May 22 13:13:29 <jutsi> is 56mb of memory usage by one app considered ok?
May 22 13:13:49 <danijoo> jutsi, before or after gc?
May 22 13:14:21 <xgearx> jutsi: depends on device
May 22 13:14:22 <danijoo> it too much if you want to target 2.x
May 22 13:14:35 <danijoo> for most 4.x devices this shouldnt be a prob
May 22 13:14:45 <jutsi> how old are the 2.x devices?
May 22 13:15:32 <jutsi> is there a markedshare chart somewhere?
May 22 13:15:36 <xgearx> yes
May 22 13:15:45 <xgearx> https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
May 22 13:16:25 <danijoo> with that memory consumption you should target at least 15+
May 22 13:16:31 <danijoo> you might still get OOMs
May 22 13:16:57 <danijoo> im getting rare ooms for max 40 mb on some devices :/
May 22 13:17:10 <jutsi> http://www.appbrain.com/stats/top-android-sdk-versions could this be correct? If so, most people use 2.x
May 22 13:17:40 <adq> does anyone know how to use "audio injector" (in latest wear update), I think it allows to inject a stream to simulate microphone input, but I have no idea how to inject the audio stream and from wear, and any /dev/snd/* devices cannot be reach (permissions + ownership)
May 22 13:17:42 <adq> ?
May 22 13:17:56 <danijoo> jutsi, the top one is 4.1-4.3 not 2.2 :)
May 22 13:18:06 <danijoo> 2.2 is the one at the x axis
May 22 13:18:39 <danijoo> you shouldnt develop for api < 15
May 22 13:18:43 <danijoo> which is 4.x
May 22 13:18:57 <jutsi> ah right, i apparently can't read charts o.O
May 22 13:20:09 <danijoo> hehe
May 22 13:20:17 <danijoo> what kind of app is it? a game?
May 22 13:20:29 <danijoo> 58 mb sounds pretty big for something thats not a game
May 22 13:20:30 <jutsi> ah nevermind, it uses similar color codes for some things
May 22 13:20:38 <jutsi> its a food recipee app
May 22 13:20:57 <jutsi> uses quite a lot of images..
May 22 13:21:11 <jutsi> I'm guessing there is some optimization i need to do
May 22 13:21:35 <jutsi> i read something about a recycle() function for images, i will check that out tomorrow
May 22 13:21:36 <xgearx> use good image loader
May 22 13:21:48 <danijoo> jutsi, you should use a library for images
May 22 13:21:51 <danijoo> like picasso
May 22 13:22:05 <wakelock> danijoo, quit talking nonsense, the standard widely accepted minsdk is 8
May 22 13:22:06 * wakelock hides
May 22 13:22:06 <xgearx> or glide, or uil, or fresco
May 22 13:22:08 <danijoo> its a pain to implement image loading and recycling on yourown
May 22 13:22:48 <jutsi> well sofar i just read the images from assets and thats it
May 22 13:22:53 * danijoo 's trollsense is tingling
May 22 13:23:33 <wakelock> also that graph is indeed poorly constructed
May 22 13:23:47 <wakelock> 4.4 is almost exactly the same color as 2.3
May 22 13:23:59 <wakelock> 4.1-4.3 looks almost like 2.2
May 22 13:24:14 <wakelock> as if there are only 5 colors in the world
May 22 13:24:22 <danijoo> true ^^
May 22 13:24:59 <wakelock> aw, gingerbread's share fell 6% in the last month
May 22 13:25:13 <jutsi> so basically i just set the image thusly: imageview.setImageResource(R.drawable.imgname); Is this considered bad practice?
May 22 13:25:19 <wakelock> while lollipop's share got up 58%, ll
May 22 13:25:20 <wakelock> lol
May 22 13:30:26 <danijoo> hm.. those are wrong i think,...
May 22 13:30:45 <danijoo> googles charts say 9% lollipop on 4th may
May 22 13:31:13 <danijoo> may the 4th be with you, lol
May 22 13:31:17 <wakelock> the numbers are perfectly correct
May 22 13:31:32 <wakelock> google does its numbers based on google play, those people do it based on their own traffic
May 22 13:31:36 <pfn> adq,? yeah, that's my post
May 22 13:31:45 <wakelock> those people = appbrain
May 22 13:32:01 <danijoo> imo googles one are more represenative then
May 22 13:32:02 <wakelock> danijoo, google isn't the only stats source in existence :p
May 22 13:32:11 <danijoo> wakelock, but the biggest - by far
May 22 13:32:12 <wakelock> that is likely true
May 22 13:32:36 * wakelock uninstalls gplay app and switches to alternatives, just to mess up the stats
May 22 13:32:54 <wakelock> oh look, some weird app by some weird danijoo on amazon store
May 22 13:33:11 <wakelock> (did they ever publish it?)
May 22 13:33:16 <danijoo> hey, I already got 6 installs!
May 22 13:33:18 <adq> pfn, i still don't get why you cannot pass an array of blocks instead of one block
May 22 13:33:25 <danijoo> vs 600k installs on play store :s
May 22 13:33:45 <Meowser> 600k installs wow
May 22 13:33:52 <Meowser> my game has 177 now lolz
May 22 13:34:03 <wakelock> danijoo, publish it on all stores in existence, see if they will all add up to what you get on gplay :)
May 22 13:34:12 <adq> pfn, you could queue things inside RS and return the output, and also by passing a value indicating the number of block, you know what to process
May 22 13:34:19 <Meowser> has anyone published to amazon? i'm wondering if it is worth it
May 22 13:34:35 <Troffel> everytime I have to debug samsung bugs, I envy IOS-devs slightly
May 22 13:34:36 <danijoo> have to go. byee :)
May 22 13:46:34 <fancy42> if i'm in the beta of an app, how can i download the production version from the store?
May 22 13:49:54 <adq> did anyone try the latest Wear emu (5.1.1 x86)? ART seems broken, impossible to install any apk
May 22 13:50:18 <adq> making the emu not really useful..
May 22 13:54:05 <dotpot> hi, maybe anyone had any luck implementing gcm over XMPP using python sleekxmpp ?
May 22 14:02:24 <IrishGringo> has anyone done drupal 8 themes yet?
May 22 14:07:55 <pfn> adq, it can't be buffered/queued without making the write back to the output buffer delayed, and that is a bad thing, if I go up a level of abstraction into the bufferedblockcipher, I may be able to
May 22 14:09:21 <adq> i'm sure you will produce faster than it (rs) will consume, but yeah that might introduce a very little latency (imo not very important because it's not audio or touch feedback)
May 22 14:10:23 <adq> it's just a stream with a bigger buffer than one block length
May 22 14:10:36 <pfn> the problem isn't latency, the problem is the consumer having a bad block until rs finishes in the background
May 22 14:10:46 <pfn> like I said, I have to move up a level of abstraction
May 22 14:10:47 <adq> a bad block?
May 22 14:10:57 <pfn> the contract for BlockCipher is fixed
May 22 14:11:00 <adq> size is fixed
May 22 14:11:38 <adq> i would love to contribute on it, but i have no time
May 22 14:15:29 <pfn> would need to move up a couple levels in the implementation abstraction in order to buffer
May 22 14:15:34 <t0th_-_> hiiii, friends! :)
May 22 14:15:49 <pfn> which I'm not interested in doing
May 22 14:17:01 <snowpong> Does Otto send events across threads with ThreadEnforcer.ANY, or does it just mean you turn of any thread checking?
May 22 14:17:09 <JakeWharton> the latter
May 22 14:18:33 <snowpong> JakeWharton: so, if I post in thread A an event that someone subscribe to in thread B on a bus with ANY - what happens?
May 22 14:18:47 <JakeWharton> you cannot subscribe in a thread
May 22 14:18:55 <JakeWharton> if you post in A the subscriber receives it in A
May 22 14:20:54 <peroht> Howdy, I'd like to be able to send data from my PC to the Android phone via Bluetooth LTE - what do I need to do?
May 22 14:36:46 <pfn> String.format on android doesn't support %N$0Wx ??
May 22 14:46:13 <pfn> hmm, when using jni, do I need to do anything to ensure that stuff remains in memory? (e.g. env->CreateNewByteArray)
May 22 14:49:07 <snowpong> JakeWharton: "you cannot subscribe in a thread" <- I don't understand this one. I have a class that is created in a worker thread. This class registers itself to the the event bus, and it has a function with @Subscribe annotation. Should I get an exception?
May 22 14:49:08 <Mavrik> pfn, depends on how long it lives
May 22 14:49:29 <JakeWharton> you said "subscribe in thread B"
May 22 14:49:30 <Mavrik> pfn, if you're keeping it around longer than a lifetime of a single JNI call, you'll have to use local/global refs to make sure GC doesn't clean it
May 22 14:49:30 <pfn> well, it should live as long as it's reachable within java code, i.e. ndk function returns a new array
May 22 14:49:37 <Mavrik> ah
May 22 14:49:42 <pfn> Mavrik, indeed, appears that's the case
May 22 14:49:52 <Mavrik> pfn, if you return it to java code it'll be around
May 22 14:49:55 <pfn> I think I'll just restructure the ndk function to take the out array as a parameter
May 22 14:50:02 <JakeWharton> snowpong: you cannot subscribe in a thread. you can register in a thread B but that has no effect on what thread the subscribes are called
May 22 14:50:15 <Mavrik> pfn, the problematic part are java objects being referenced in NDK only
May 22 14:50:31 <pfn> yeah, for some reason, my data that's returned from my initial call gets modified
May 22 14:52:35 <Mavrik> Well, it usually gets copied
May 22 14:54:02 <pfn> http://pastie.org/10202285
May 22 14:54:11 <pfn> Schedule I/O should be the same throughout
May 22 14:54:31 <pfn> but after the first O/I, it starts changing...
May 22 14:54:34 * pfn headscratches
May 22 14:58:40 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/6c03b410edd6293a7ea9
May 22 14:58:42 * pfn ponders
May 22 15:05:36 <pfn> oops, logged in wrong order, huehue
May 22 15:05:38 <snowpong> JakeWharton: So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is: Calling post on the bus will only call objects registered in the same thread as what you're calling from? And @Subscribe doesn't care about threads: it's simply just an annotation. And at the moment Otto doesn't cross thread-boundaries?
May 22 15:06:11 <snowpong> s/Otto/Otto events/g
May 22 15:06:32 <JakeWharton> it will call all subscribers and it will call them on the thread you post from
May 22 15:22:14 <snowpong> JakeWharton: thanks for helping. I still don't fully get it. But I think I need to write an example to experiment
May 22 15:36:57 <zambo> I have a super annoying issue with the new Android Studio - when I leave it running over night, it will always hang the next day.  If I force quit it, it hangs again on startup until I reboot my machine :/
May 22 15:37:02 <zambo> anyone deal with this?
May 22 15:37:32 <drose379> You running Linux?
May 22 15:37:41 <zambo> OSX
May 22 15:37:47 <drose379> Guys, if I set LinearLayout to clickable, where can I recieve the click events?
May 22 15:37:52 <drose379> setClickable(bool)
May 22 15:38:04 <zambo> in the OnClickListener you attach to it
May 22 15:38:13 <colintheshots> Has anyone seen a problem with build.gradle where Gradle can’t find the versionCode() method only if I define the value with code?
May 22 15:38:34 <drose379> zambo I have several LinearLayouts that I need to watch for clicks
May 22 15:38:47 <drose379> I was told a nice way to do that would be to extend the LinearLayout class
May 22 15:38:52 <drose379> and set a custom onclick method?
May 22 15:39:22 <zambo> in your constructors, call a method like init(), and in init() you can call setOnClickListener()
May 22 15:39:40 <drose379> Isnt there a method for each LinearLayout called onClick() ?
May 22 15:40:10 <colintheshots> I’m getting… org.gradle.api.internal.MissingMethodException: Could not find method versionCode() for arguments |[43|]
May 22 15:40:10 <zambo> there’s an attribute that you can pass a method name to
May 22 15:40:11 <drose379> Or I could do setOnClickListener and then make the activiy the listener
May 22 15:40:56 <drose379> But zambo I need to get the children of the linearLayout, can I do that from within the class that extends LinearLayout
May 22 15:41:04 <zambo> sure
May 22 15:41:10 <drose379> this.getChild()?
May 22 15:41:15 <drose379> or just getChil()?
May 22 15:41:26 <drose379> No need for this
May 22 15:41:27 <zambo> you don’t need the “this” if you are already in the scope of that class
May 22 15:41:32 <drose379> Right, yeah
May 22 15:41:58 <drose379> So I can call methods of LinearLayout from within the LinearLayout extended class
May 22 15:42:11 <zambo> absolutely
May 22 15:42:15 <drose379> thanks zambo
May 22 15:42:19 <drose379> good luck with your AS issue
May 22 15:42:22 <drose379> Sounds annoying as hell
May 22 15:42:36 <drose379> :/
May 22 15:50:48 <drose379> zambo if I just use my custom LinearLayout in xml and dont create it programatically
May 22 15:50:53 <drose379> what will the context be?
May 22 15:50:59 <drose379> The activity that inflates the layout?
May 22 15:51:05 <pfn> interesting, implementing aes ecb in jni only makes my code marginally faster
May 22 15:51:11 <pfn> from like 1.7s down to 1.5s
May 22 15:51:27 <pfn> guess I need to implement the full streaming api in jni to make it much faster
May 22 15:51:38 <pfn> rather than having to bridge jni for every 16 bytes
May 22 15:51:50 <zambo> drose379 an activity is a context, yes
May 22 15:52:20 <drose379> But if I just create the LinearLayout through the XML, will the context be set automatically to the activity that inflates the layout?
May 22 15:53:37 <zambo> yes, if you call setContentView(R.layout.your_layout)
May 22 15:54:07 <drose379> Ok cool
May 22 15:54:19 <drose379> Now in the onClick method I need to set the click listener to the context
May 22 15:54:28 <drose379> then Ill get a callback to my activity
May 22 15:55:44 <zambo> which onClick method are you referring to? LinearLayout does not have one
May 22 15:55:48 <drose379> Wait no that doesnt make sense
May 22 15:56:00 <drose379> Im inside my class that extends LinearLayout
May 22 15:56:12 <drose379> And im doing @Override public void onClick(View v) {}
May 22 15:56:31 <zambo> that’s not a method in the linearlayout class
May 22 15:56:36 <zambo> are you defining an onclicklistener?
May 22 15:56:47 <drose379> inside the class
May 22 15:56:49 <drose379> ?
May 22 16:00:14 <Ponsen> Has someone a working offline google spech recognition implementation laying around somewhere? No example I tried worked offline, so far, but online just fine. The only thing, that works offline is the google keyboard dictation, but I cannot find any information about it...
May 22 16:11:22 <Meowser> I thought it only worked online
May 22 16:12:49 <adq> Ponsen, speech recognition requires lot of data and processing, not sure it would fit on your phone
May 22 16:13:14 <adq> this is totally different than "text 2 speech"
May 22 16:18:03 <Ponsen> adq: it does, try it yourself: go settings -> language & input -> under "speech" to "voice search" -> download your package. activate "Google voice typing" and "android keyboad" under keyboad & input methods. activate keyboad with an input field. notice a mic-smbol on the left hand of the spacebar. it works only in english for me, but it works...
May 22 16:20:43 <Ponsen> there are a lot of questions like this on stackoverflow, but no satisfying anwser and there are a ton of example projects, but none is working offline
May 22 16:34:11 <paulo_> it's my app's 9th day and I have 1k downloads \o/
May 22 16:37:54 <s73v3r> congratulations
May 22 16:38:36 <samB__> Awesome
May 22 16:39:05 <samB__> My friend did one recently and it was pretty much dead in terms of downloads after the 4th day
May 22 16:43:19 <samB__> paulo_: Is it a card game?
May 22 16:43:29 <samB__> I think I might have seen it yesterday
May 22 16:43:37 <paulo_> samB__: yes, that one
May 22 16:44:20 <samB__> Congrats on the downloads :)
May 22 16:44:33 <samB__> Are they constant?
May 22 16:44:47 <paulo_> I'm implementing ads now. I hope at least I make the $25 back.
May 22 16:44:53 <paulo_> samB__: they double each day.
May 22 16:45:19 <samB__> Nice
May 22 16:47:14 <samB__> Yeah ads should help especially if the downloads keep growing
May 22 16:47:20 <samB__> Did you do any type of marketing or is it all organic?
May 22 16:48:13 <paulo_> samB__: none. but it was a web app for a while now.
May 22 16:48:50 <paulo_> I put the "Available on the Play Store" logo on the web app.
May 22 16:49:21 <samB__> Ah nice marketing :)
May 22 16:50:38 <jeffol> Hey- Any way to disable magnification gestures (a feature in Android "Accessibility" settings) specifically during android app runtime?
May 22 17:02:03 <zambo> jeffol have you tried intercepting the tap touches? the help screen also says that the gestures don’t work on the keyboard.  You could look at the keyboard source and the source that provides the accessibility gesture and see how that’s handled
May 22 17:02:52 <jeffol> zambo: Okay, cool. Thanks for the suggestion.
May 22 17:21:36 <zanzacar> Does anyone know if there is a way to disable the S-View feature? I don't have a case that supports it but the case does have a magnet so it is causing some problems.
May 22 17:23:19 <paulo_> Hello
May 22 17:23:28 <paulo_> am I supposed to not be able to install my signed APK?
May 22 17:23:50 <jeffol> zambo: I implemented OnGestureListener and OnDoubleTapListener, the zoom feature is triple tap, and it seems it just listens for such events instead of overriding
May 22 17:24:13 <jeffol> paulo_: it should invite just fine
May 22 17:24:40 <paulo_> jefflol: ok. i'm scared of uploading it to the play store.
May 22 17:24:57 <jeffol> install just fine *
May 22 17:25:07 <jeffol> paulo_: just upload it under beta or alpha
May 22 17:25:25 <paulo_> jefflol: i
May 22 17:25:32 <paulo_> jefflol: i've uploaded it previously.
May 22 17:25:35 <paulo_> I just added ads now.
May 22 17:25:50 <jeffol> well.. fear not.. you can always release another version :-)
May 22 17:26:57 <paulo_> lol turns out I was installing the wrong APK
May 22 17:26:57 <zambo> jeffol it sounds like the accesibility framework may be using something like onInterceptTouchEvent to prevent you from being able to handle the triple tap first: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html#onInterceptTouchEvent(android.view.MotionEvent)
May 22 17:28:17 <lasserix> is there a way to "comment" on a github project?
May 22 17:28:42 <lasserix> like there is a bug thats an issue in the master which is dead but a fork is still alive still has the bug, the issue is not in the fork but i know how to solve it so i want to leave a comment to that effect
May 22 17:28:57 <lasserix> *later ill do a pr when i have time to understand how to change it all to fix
May 22 17:29:29 <zambo> jeffol if that’s the case then there may be no way to disable it :( I’m out of ideas besides looking through the accesibility source code
May 22 17:30:37 <jeffol> zambo: thanks for the help! I'll let you know what I find out
May 22 17:32:46 <s73v3r> lasserix: Create an issue. Point to the fork that has it fixed
May 22 17:32:58 <lasserix> i can't find where to create an issue
May 22 17:33:02 <lasserix> can they be turned off?
May 22 17:33:15 <JesusFreke> yes, I think they can
May 22 17:37:19 <lasserix> oh well guess if i get around ill just do a pr
May 22 17:39:58 <luist> hey guys… can i remove current Toast before i throw another one?
May 22 17:40:06 <lasserix> yeah
May 22 17:40:08 <lasserix> save a ref to it
May 22 17:40:36 <g00s> luist dont use toast, use snacks. the one i use handles that
May 22 17:40:50 <lasserix> Toast t = Toast.makeTOast(...); mToastRef = t; t.show(); then if you need to cancel you can if mToastRef != null mToastRef.cancel(); mToastRef = null;
May 22 17:41:02 <tricknology_> Hey, has anyone ever interviewed an Android dev here?
May 22 17:41:20 <luist> g00s: are you serious lol
May 22 17:41:29 <g00s> luist sure
May 22 17:41:36 <luist> g00s: got a link?
May 22 17:41:44 <g00s> luist https://github.com/nispok/snackbar
May 22 17:41:45 <luist> lasserix: ooh thanks
May 22 17:42:02 <g00s> luist it will probably be in the support lib one way or another eventually, but until then
May 22 17:42:31 <g00s> one of the things i love about that thing, beside it just works, is great docs. pretty much just copy & paste that snippet
May 22 17:42:56 <g00s> "EU dropped pesticide laws due to US pressure over TTIP, documents reveal" man i'd be so pissed if i was european
May 22 17:45:32 <saapas> man Im pissed
May 22 17:48:04 <xpheres> hello
May 22 17:48:32 <xpheres> would someone help me finish a json function in my android code?
May 22 17:48:39 <xpheres> https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/blob/master/app/src/main/java/com/example/root/analyticaltranslator/MainActivity.java
May 22 17:49:06 <xpheres> I'm very close to make the application work
May 22 17:49:10 <xpheres> but I never used volley
May 22 17:49:27 <luist> g00s: wow this looks amazing
May 22 17:49:34 <luist> g00s: ill download the sample app
May 22 17:49:38 <luist> thanks
May 22 17:52:44 <drose379> xpheres where you struggling
May 22 17:52:55 <xpheres> drose379
May 22 17:53:00 <xpheres> I don't know much java
May 22 17:53:14 <xpheres> I did my best to make the json query work and write the results in the field
May 22 17:53:27 <xpheres> but when pressing the button there is an error and the app closes
May 22 17:53:35 <drose379> ok, whats the error?
May 22 17:54:02 <xpheres> let me check it
May 22 17:54:05 <drose379> ok
May 22 17:54:40 <xpheres> it just shows "the program was finished"
May 22 17:54:59 <xpheres> everytime I press the only button in the app that should send the json query
May 22 17:55:34 <drose379> What does logcat say?
May 22 17:55:44 <xpheres> logcat?
May 22 17:56:05 <drose379> The logger at the bottom of the screen
May 22 17:56:05 <xpheres> I don't have any cat at home
May 22 17:56:08 <xpheres> ah right
May 22 17:56:09 <drose379> hahahaha
May 22 17:56:30 <xpheres> at the bottom of what screen? I tested it in the android device
May 22 17:56:38 <xpheres> do you want me to open android studio?
May 22 17:56:41 <drose379> Yes
May 22 17:56:43 <xpheres> right
May 22 17:56:51 <drose379> Android studio should be open when you test the app, so you can see the log
May 22 17:57:43 <xpheres> right
May 22 17:58:16 <drose379> So run the app while connected to your computer
May 22 17:58:19 <drose379> And see what logcat says
May 22 18:01:57 <xpheres> ok drose379
May 22 18:02:02 <xpheres> I'm opening the emulator
May 22 18:02:07 <xpheres> it takes time
May 22 18:04:10 <thebishop> hi all, i'm bundling about 4MB of web UI assets with my app that get installed to data on the first run.  unfortunately, i'm finding that both directly copying the files from /assets or unpacking a tar.bz2 file are both kinda slow.  is there a preferred faster way to install assets?
May 22 18:04:49 <xpheres> http://justpaste.it/laa1
May 22 18:04:53 <xpheres> drose379
May 22 18:04:56 <xpheres> there is the logcat
May 22 18:04:59 <g00s> thebishop maybe http://developer.android.com/google/play/expansion-files.html
May 22 18:06:28 <thebishop> g00s, thanks, i didn't know about this, and that is an interesting solution.  however, i like installing to internal storage because the files will be deleted if the app is uninstalled
May 22 18:07:11 <xpheres> please
May 22 18:07:18 <xpheres> I don't understand why is crashing my app
May 22 18:08:04 <xpheres> catlog: http://justpaste.it/laa1 code: https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/blob/master/app/src/main/java/com/example/root/analyticaltranslator/MainActivity.java
May 22 18:08:34 <drose379> Ok so the issue is in your XML for the button
May 22 18:08:43 <drose379> can you paste the XML
May 22 18:08:44 <xpheres> right
May 22 18:08:46 <xpheres> yes
May 22 18:09:10 <xpheres> it is published in git hub
May 22 18:09:13 <xpheres> let me find it
May 22 18:10:52 <xpheres> https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/blob/master/app/src/main/res/layout/activity_main.xml
May 22 18:10:53 <xpheres> here
May 22 18:10:58 <xpheres> oh you left the room
May 22 18:11:04 <xpheres> fuck
May 22 18:11:14 <badCompany> No im here
May 22 18:11:15 <badCompany> new nick
May 22 18:11:18 <xpheres> ahhh
May 22 18:11:37 <badCompany> so, onclick is calling a method called onclickactivity
May 22 18:11:41 <badCompany> where do you have that method in the java/
May 22 18:11:42 <badCompany> ?
May 22 18:11:45 <xpheres> mm
May 22 18:11:46 <xpheres> let me check
May 22 18:12:05 <xpheres> https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/blob/master/app/src/main/java/com/example/root/analyticaltranslator/MainActivity.java
May 22 18:12:11 <xpheres> the second function is onclickactivity
May 22 18:12:27 <badCompany> that function needs to accept a parameter
May 22 18:12:29 <badCompany> Called View v
May 22 18:12:38 <xpheres> ahhh
May 22 18:12:38 <badCompany> You can call the view whatever you want
May 22 18:12:46 <xpheres> wait
May 22 18:12:49 <badCompany> Yeah?
May 22 18:13:10 <xpheres> so
May 22 18:13:16 <xpheres> public void onclickactivity($view){
May 22 18:13:19 <xpheres> something like that?
May 22 18:13:26 <tjbiddle> Hey all. My application will compile and run from Android Studio; however the IDE can't find some external libraries so red squiqqlies still pop up - any ideas?
May 22 18:13:31 <badCompany> This isnt php xpheres
May 22 18:13:35 <badCompany> No $
May 22 18:13:35 <xpheres> ahhh
May 22 18:13:38 <badCompany> Just View
May 22 18:13:41 <xpheres> just view
May 22 18:13:42 <xpheres> right
May 22 18:13:44 <badCompany> and then name it
May 22 18:13:50 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:13:54 <g00s> tjbiddle yeah i have that problem too. its pretty buggy still heh
May 22 18:13:58 <badCompany> So onclickActivity(View myFavoriteView)
May 22 18:14:01 <badCompany> See what I mean?
May 22 18:14:16 <xpheres> right
May 22 18:14:26 <xpheres> I'm going to write that now and see if it works
May 22 18:14:54 <badCompany> Ok, there may be other issues in your code that will cause it to crash after this
May 22 18:14:58 <badCompany> So one step at a time
May 22 18:15:21 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:15:26 <xpheres> I will show you my catlog again
May 22 18:15:46 <xpheres> ok!, now it does not crash!!
May 22 18:15:56 <badCompany> Great
May 22 18:15:56 <xpheres> but it doesn t show any translation, as it should be
May 22 18:16:08 <xpheres> but at least it does not crash
May 22 18:16:10 <badCompany> Yeah, thats prob an issue with your Http request
May 22 18:16:15 <xpheres> right
May 22 18:16:18 <badCompany> Are you making a HTTP request from the app?
May 22 18:16:24 <tjbiddle> g00s: Huh - strange. Didn't happen yesterday :p Oh well, whatever - compiles
May 22 18:16:43 <TacticalJoke> tjbiddle:  I haven't experienced that before.  I wonder whether cleaning would help in your case.
May 22 18:17:03 <tjbiddle> TacticalJoke: Tried a clean as well as restart
May 22 18:17:11 <TacticalJoke> Ah.  Weird.
May 22 18:17:16 <tjbiddle> Will play with it more later; not disrupting my work - so w/e
May 22 18:17:21 <xpheres> yes badcompany
May 22 18:17:35 <badCompany> Why are you using volley and not OkHttp?
May 22 18:17:36 <xpheres> it works with the same request as a javascript code that it already working
May 22 18:17:42 <xpheres> I just pretend to make a front end in java
May 22 18:17:49 <g00s> man i still find AS buggy as hell; just now intellij said i couldn't use a method because it wasn't public but it was, so i took its suggestion to make it public, nothing happened, the error went away
May 22 18:17:51 <badCompany> java is backend in this case
May 22 18:17:54 <xpheres> because is the first library I found
May 22 18:18:04 <badCompany> OkHttp may be better
May 22 18:18:09 <xpheres> well backend is the php code that returns the translation
May 22 18:18:18 <badCompany> That is true xpheres
May 22 18:18:28 <xpheres> it is just a fronend
May 22 18:18:29 <xpheres> for my engine
May 22 18:18:32 <badCompany> You should throw something in your php that will tell you if the request is reaching it or not
May 22 18:18:38 <badCompany> like file_put_contents
May 22 18:18:47 <badCompany> and if the file is created, then we know the request is successfull
May 22 18:19:08 <xpheres> but if the request is successfull, the result should be shown in the frontend
May 22 18:19:12 <xpheres> and I don't see anything
May 22 18:19:30 <xpheres> mm
May 22 18:19:59 <xpheres> and the backend works because there is a javascript frontend already working
May 22 18:20:13 <xpheres> that makes a jsonrequest like the android app
May 22 18:20:14 <badCompany> So the Volley is prob not working
May 22 18:20:19 <xpheres> yes
May 22 18:20:24 <badCompany> Try Okhttp
May 22 18:20:31 <xpheres> okhttp...
May 22 18:20:40 <JakeWharton> okhttp!
May 22 18:20:59 <badCompany> yes!
May 22 18:21:01 <badCompany> Here https://github.com/square/okhttp/wiki/Recipes
May 22 18:21:08 <badCompany> Look at "Posting A String"
May 22 18:23:53 <badCompany> Guys im looking for my edittext to have a padding of 20 dp on each side
May 22 18:24:04 <badCompany> so im setting width="fill_parent"
May 22 18:24:08 <badCompany> then padding="20dp"
May 22 18:24:11 <badCompany> But thats not working
May 22 18:24:21 <badCompany> Is there a way I can make it fill then cut off some of the width
May 22 18:27:56 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  Note that it's `match_parent` now (not `fill_parent`).
May 22 18:28:08 <badCompany> oh yeah
May 22 18:28:12 <TacticalJoke> Not that that'd solve your issue.  Just a side note.  :D
May 22 18:28:17 <badCompany> Right, thanks
May 22 18:28:25 <TacticalJoke> I tried what you said and it seems to work (more or less).
May 22 18:28:37 <badCompany> tried what?
May 22 18:28:38 <TacticalJoke> It effectively limits the inner size of the EditText.
May 22 18:28:41 <xpheres> let s see if I know how to import httpok
May 22 18:28:56 <xpheres> it is already in the folder lib
May 22 18:28:58 <xpheres> like volley
May 22 18:28:59 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  What do you mean by "cut off some of the width"?
May 22 18:29:14 <badCompany> I want it to be less then the full width
May 22 18:29:16 <TacticalJoke> xpheres:  Are you not using Gradle?
May 22 18:29:20 <luist> g00s: is there a way to show a message with icon?
May 22 18:29:24 <badCompany> No he is TJ
May 22 18:29:24 <xpheres> no tacticaljoke
May 22 18:29:31 <badCompany> Yes you are xpheres
May 22 18:29:39 <TacticalJoke> xpheres:  Importing OkHttp is a Gradle one-liner.
May 22 18:29:51 <xpheres> what like is that?
May 22 18:29:52 <badCompany> xpheres go into your build.gradle
May 22 18:29:54 <g00s> luist hm - havent tried that, if its not normal for toasts it probab;y isn't in the lib
May 22 18:30:00 <g00s> err, snacks
May 22 18:30:00 <xpheres> ah yes Iḿ using gradle
May 22 18:30:04 <xpheres> right
May 22 18:30:15 <luist> g00s:  i use a customized toast… looks pretty good for error reporting
May 22 18:30:46 <xpheres> what should I do there?
May 22 18:30:55 <TacticalJoke> It's on the OkHttp site.
May 22 18:31:01 <xpheres> I thought gradle was the name of my cat-log
May 22 18:31:08 <badCompany> Did you select the one that says Module:app next to it
May 22 18:31:13 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:31:35 <xpheres> I'm in module app
May 22 18:31:47 <Afzal> lol this will be fun
May 22 18:31:48 <xpheres> I don't see there volley by the way
May 22 18:31:58 <xpheres> maybe that's why volley does not work
May 22 18:32:15 <xpheres> ah yes
May 22 18:32:15 <xpheres> I see volley
May 22 18:32:24 <Afzal> what are you using volley for?
May 22 18:32:30 <xpheres> to make a json request
May 22 18:32:48 <Afzal> oh, you could look into retrofit :)
May 22 18:32:53 <Tagirijus> hi there (=
May 22 18:32:54 <badCompany> I told him OkHttp
May 22 18:32:56 <badCompany> Afzal
May 22 18:32:57 <Afzal> but only if you have lots of endpoints
May 22 18:33:31 <Afzal> badCompany retrofit is an abstraction on top of okhttp, even simpler
May 22 18:33:32 <xpheres> https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/blob/master/app/build.gradle
May 22 18:33:36 <xpheres> this is my graddle
May 22 18:33:49 <badCompany> perfect
May 22 18:33:56 <lasserix> ANyone have the best way to log the body with retrofit?
May 22 18:34:04 <badCompany> you need to add okhttp as a dependency
May 22 18:34:11 <badCompany> xpheres
May 22 18:34:15 <xpheres> I see
May 22 18:34:20 <xpheres> dependencies {
May 22 18:34:24 <xpheres>     compile files('libs/volley.jar')
May 22 18:34:24 <badCompany> yup
May 22 18:34:33 <xpheres> should I add
May 22 18:34:34 <TacticalJoke> Isn't Volley also a one-liner?
May 22 18:34:39 <xpheres>     compile files('libs/okhhtpjar')
May 22 18:34:47 <xpheres> it seems
May 22 18:35:08 <Afzal> TacticalJoke but it doesn't do the whole packing into an object thing
May 22 18:35:12 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:35:13 <xpheres> compile files('libs/okhttp.jar')
May 22 18:35:14 <xpheres> added
May 22 18:35:15 <TacticalJoke> xpheres:  Importing JARs is '90s technology.  Consider better ways.  :D
May 22 18:35:16 <Afzal> so you have to take care of that too
May 22 18:35:24 <badCompany> xpheres
May 22 18:35:26 <xpheres> tacticaljoke
May 22 18:35:27 <badCompany> compile 'com.squareup.okhttp:okhttp:2.4.0-RC1'
May 22 18:35:31 <badCompany> add that instead :P
May 22 18:35:35 <xpheres> I'm not an expert java developer
May 22 18:35:36 <xpheres> sorry
May 22 18:35:40 <xpheres> that's why i'm here asking
May 22 18:35:43 <Afzal> badCompany lol why are you forcing okhttp on the guy :p
May 22 18:35:53 <badCompany> Hes new, its simple
May 22 18:35:54 <Afzal> it seems like he already has code for volley
May 22 18:36:05 <lasserix> Afzal sounds like you need a trip to the reeducation camp
May 22 18:36:16 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:36:19 <Afzal> lasserix whoa whoa, I stay away from camps
May 22 18:36:22 <Mavrik> lasserix, log the body with retrofit?
May 22 18:36:24 <xpheres> now I should convert all the volley code to httpok
May 22 18:36:26 <lasserix> Mavrik: aye
May 22 18:36:29 <JakeWharton> log(body)
May 22 18:36:35 <Mavrik> doesn't loglevel full do that by default?
May 22 18:36:38 <Mavrik> or am I missing something? :)
May 22 18:36:41 <Afzal> it does
May 22 18:36:47 <badCompany> Delete all your volley code, and write new okhttp code
May 22 18:36:47 <lasserix> Sorry output body to file
May 22 18:36:58 <xpheres> ok badcompany
May 22 18:37:00 <Afzal> badCompany come on
May 22 18:37:03 <badCompany> what?
May 22 18:37:07 <xpheres> I will take the example from the okhttp website as a template
May 22 18:37:14 <badCompany> Perfect
May 22 18:37:20 <Afzal> xpheres might as well just use retrofit then :p
May 22 18:37:21 <JakeWharton> you can run Volley with OkHttp as the underlying HTTP client you know
May 22 18:37:26 <g00s> JakeWharton are you guys still using tape ?
May 22 18:37:29 <Afzal> we're not helping this guy
May 22 18:37:35 <xpheres> jakewharton
May 22 18:37:37 <Afzal> JakeWharton but soon, you won't!:D
May 22 18:37:45 <xpheres> I'm going to try that
May 22 18:37:56 <Afzal> oh wait
May 22 18:38:01 <xpheres> but
May 22 18:38:11 <Afzal> I thought you were talking about retrofit with modifiable layer
May 22 18:38:15 <Afzal> lol nvm
May 22 18:38:54 <Afzal> back to libgdx, where I belong
May 22 18:38:55 <xpheres> well
May 22 18:38:57 <xpheres> honestly
May 22 18:39:07 <Afzal> xpheres just be yourself
May 22 18:39:08 <xpheres> I don't know how to convert this code from volley to okhttp
May 22 18:39:09 <Afzal> :P
May 22 18:39:18 <xpheres> I don't even know if the volley code is already right
May 22 18:39:24 <badCompany> xpheres ditch the volley code
May 22 18:39:35 <badCompany> xpheres im not trying to tell you what to do, just making reccomendations
May 22 18:39:39 <badCompany> Ok Afzal:P
May 22 18:39:40 <xpheres> I know
May 22 18:39:42 <xpheres> the problem is
May 22 18:39:47 <xpheres> I have to learn java from zero
May 22 18:39:53 <xpheres> this is out of my possiblities right now
May 22 18:39:56 <badCompany> Yeah, this is very hard to do if you dont know the language
May 22 18:40:07 <xpheres> it's a pitty because I'm too close
May 22 18:40:14 <xpheres> I just wanted to make the frontend
May 22 18:40:18 <xpheres> everything else is done
May 22 18:40:34 <xpheres> the javascript frontend works
May 22 18:40:49 <badCompany> Is it online?
May 22 18:40:51 <badCompany> Can I try it?
May 22 18:40:51 <xpheres> yes
May 22 18:40:53 <xpheres> please have a look
May 22 18:40:56 <lasserix> xpheres: http://inaka.net/blog/2014/10/10/android-retrofit-rest-client/
May 22 18:41:02 <lasserix> follow those directions
May 22 18:41:03 <badCompany> xpheres whats the link
May 22 18:41:05 <xpheres> lingoworld.eu/lingoworld/translator/translator.html
May 22 18:41:06 <lasserix> you'll be done in no time
May 22 18:41:14 <xpheres> I want to publish the java frontend
May 22 18:41:18 <xpheres> but I can't make it work
May 22 18:41:22 <TacticalJoke> I think Step 1 is "Learn Java".  "Profit" is Step 17.
May 22 18:41:31 <xpheres> I know
May 22 18:41:38 <badCompany> xpheres how do I use it
May 22 18:41:42 <xpheres> ok
May 22 18:41:45 <Ashiren> and 'abandon java' in between
May 22 18:41:50 <groxx> xpheres: firefox says: http://cl.ly/image/2L2G0P2V2w0m
May 22 18:41:54 <TacticalJoke> Step 16: Switch to Kotlin.  :D
May 22 18:41:56 <xpheres> it's hard if you don't know any of the two languages availables
May 22 18:42:00 <xpheres> which are spanish and german
May 22 18:42:05 <xpheres> if you write a sentence
May 22 18:42:10 <xpheres> you should see the translation
May 22 18:42:18 <xpheres> I can give you a sentence
May 22 18:42:53 <xpheres> I'm planning to add english
May 22 18:42:58 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  So did you solve your issue?
May 22 18:42:59 <xpheres> but there is not enough vocabulary yet
May 22 18:43:00 <badCompany> good luck xpheres
May 22 18:43:03 <badCompany> Yeah I did TJ
May 22 18:43:03 <xpheres> thanks
May 22 18:43:06 <g00s> TacticalJoke i'm reading http://hannesdorfmann.com/android/mosby-playbook/
May 22 18:43:16 <badCompany> Just made a static width and centered it
May 22 18:43:17 <g00s> not sure this guy actually understands MVP
May 22 18:43:24 <badCompany> TacticalJoke BTW this is drose379
May 22 18:43:27 <g00s> " In my opinion MVP wraps around MVC. " uh what
May 22 18:43:49 <TacticalJoke> Ah, interesting.  I don't think about MVP stuff enough.
May 22 18:43:55 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  Ooh.  I was wondering who it was.  :D
May 22 18:44:00 <badCompany> lol
May 22 18:44:28 <TacticalJoke> I used to be obsessed with MVP in the MFC days, funnily enough.
May 22 18:44:33 <xpheres> I will make a request in github
May 22 18:44:34 <TacticalJoke> And the related stuff (which I can't remember).
May 22 18:44:40 <xpheres> if anyone is bored enough and interested in my project
May 22 18:44:46 <TacticalJoke> I think it was partly because MFC was so incredibly painful.
May 22 18:44:53 <xpheres> I may find someone compassionate enough to help me publish this frontend
May 22 18:44:57 <badCompany> What do you guys think of this font: http://i.imgur.com/dGAtySP.png
May 22 18:45:01 <xpheres> thanks anyway
May 22 18:45:14 <g00s> android is kinda like MFC in the 'we experimented, and our first try is painful'
May 22 18:45:15 <lasserix> badCompany: for what?
May 22 18:45:18 <badCompany> xpheres that person is not helping you
May 22 18:45:18 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  Do you play Battlefield?
May 22 18:45:23 <badCompany> I dont, why?
May 22 18:45:31 <xpheres> who badcompany?
May 22 18:45:37 <groxx> badCompany: seems kerned slightly too tight, IMO.
May 22 18:45:38 <badCompany> The person who does the work for you
May 22 18:45:56 <badCompany> lasserix this is for my app
May 22 18:45:59 <groxx> but pretty readable.
May 22 18:45:59 <badCompany> groxx its source sans pro
May 22 18:46:07 <lasserix> xpheres: unfortunatly google will always have you beat simply because their data set is incomprehensibly larger than anything you can get
May 22 18:46:22 <g00s> except microsoft make that educational mistake like 20 years go
May 22 18:46:23 <badCompany> I fear it kind of looks like comic sans from this image though
May 22 18:46:26 <lasserix> badCompany: umm what is this for though? I mean, not much to say since it is erm very simple.
May 22 18:46:34 <groxx> ha, no, definitely not comic sans :)
May 22 18:46:36 <TacticalJoke> Love those random disconnections.
May 22 18:46:38 <badCompany> thank god
May 22 18:46:43 <badCompany> groxx
May 22 18:46:51 <badCompany> lasserix its my apps global font
May 22 18:46:55 <xpheres> lasserix I'm not competing with google, google is a statistical translator
May 22 18:46:57 <lasserix> badCompany: i agree with groxx
May 22 18:47:05 <groxx> some day I do kinda want to modify my nexus to only use comic sans :)
May 22 18:47:10 <xpheres> in terms of statistical translation, I don't think anyone can make anything better
May 22 18:47:11 <badCompany> you serious?
May 22 18:47:15 <xpheres> my translator is analytical
May 22 18:47:16 <badCompany> Its like the worst font ever haha
May 22 18:47:17 <TacticalJoke> Is it possible to use Comic Sans MS in an Android app?
May 22 18:47:28 <groxx> I would assume so, you just need to include the ttf
May 22 18:47:31 <lasserix> sure
May 22 18:47:32 <badCompany> This is source sans pro
May 22 18:47:37 <t0th_-_> hi friend, how i can solve outofmemory error with picasso?
May 22 18:47:39 <badCompany> Ill show you another screenshot of it
May 22 18:47:54 <groxx> and yes, serious :)  largely for troll purposes (hand phone to designer-oriented person, watch them recoil in horror), but it's a perfectly readable font.
May 22 18:47:56 <lasserix> t0th_-_: wrap your calls with try catch
May 22 18:48:02 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  Are you using `fit()`?
May 22 18:48:10 <t0th_-_> yes
May 22 18:48:27 <groxx> t0th_-_: don't use so much memory?
May 22 18:49:00 <t0th_-_> i have many images, flick small pics
May 22 18:49:08 <t0th_-_> like this: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8756/17787851868_763cd6c0c1_s.jpg
May 22 18:49:12 <TacticalJoke> Toast.makeText(this, "Too little memory: please upgrade your hardware.", Toast.LENGTH_LONG).show();
May 22 18:49:34 <Afzal> interesting how google internally uses controllers in their own apps
May 22 18:49:36 <groxx> t0th_-_: if they're in a big list, are you using e.g. listview or recyclerview?
May 22 18:49:41 <Afzal> or at least the stock browser app
May 22 18:49:49 <t0th_-_> recyclerview
May 22 18:49:50 <Afzal> seriously, browser is someone's username? <_<
May 22 18:50:19 <groxx> don't suppose "the" is claimed by anyone yet?
May 22 18:50:23 <Afzal> LOL OOM errors !!! :D
May 22 18:50:23 <badCompany> Guys this is the same font, what you think here?
May 22 18:50:24 <badCompany> http://imgur.com/H29JpE0
May 22 18:50:26 <Afzal> it's back!
May 22 18:50:54 <TacticalJoke> Looks good, badCompany.
May 22 18:51:18 <badCompany> Thanks TJ
May 22 18:51:25 <TacticalJoke> I think I'll use a custom font.
May 22 18:51:28 <groxx> looks like it lacks proper font hinting to align with pixels, but seems fine to me
May 22 18:51:33 <TacticalJoke> My users need to be able to read comfortably for hours.
May 22 18:51:41 <TacticalJoke> (Or at least present the choice.)
May 22 18:51:59 <Afzal> I'd go with a smaller font size tbh
May 22 18:52:32 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  What does your Picasso-using code look like?  And how many images are you displaying in one go?
May 22 18:52:41 <badCompany> You think Afzal?
May 22 18:52:42 <lasserix> mac really fails at the fullscreen thing
May 22 18:52:52 <groxx> hm.  dunno, I think the size is probably fine.  or if anything, the italicized could be too small already (depends on the device though)
May 22 18:52:57 <TacticalJoke> s/in one go/on one screen/
May 22 18:52:58 <Afzal> badCompany yes (?) also there's no space before commas
May 22 18:52:59 <Afzal> :p
May 22 18:53:15 <t0th_-_> in my adapter i have http://kopy.io/vVtN1
May 22 18:53:25 <badCompany> lol Afzak
May 22 18:53:25 <lasserix> badCompany: hopefully those arent your set background colors
May 22 18:53:30 <t0th_-_> i am displaying 25 pics per page in endless recyclerview
May 22 18:53:54 <badCompany> You dont like the colors lasserix?
May 22 18:54:09 <Afzal> i think badCompany's being sarcastic
May 22 18:54:09 <Afzal> :/
May 22 18:54:15 <badCompany> im not haha
May 22 18:54:18 <badCompany> it was a question
May 22 18:54:21 <Afzal> lol
May 22 18:54:31 <Afzal> www.materialpallete.com :D
May 22 18:54:35 <badCompany> I can understand why my questions may seem sarcastic though
May 22 18:54:37 <Afzal> dang it
May 22 18:54:55 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  Doesn't sound like a huge amount.
May 22 18:54:56 <Afzal> http://www.materialpalette.com/
May 22 18:55:32 <badCompany> shit, thats an awesome website Afzal
May 22 18:55:35 <badCompany> Thanks hah
May 22 18:56:39 <badCompany> (Not sarcastic!)
May 22 18:56:48 <TacticalJoke> Not sarcastic.  /s
May 22 18:56:49 <Afzal> lol yeah I know :p
May 22 18:56:54 <Afzal>  \ /s
May 22 18:57:20 <Afzal> man, I don't wanna do android dev today :/ Just web dev
May 22 18:57:26 <badCompany> Why not android?
May 22 18:57:29 <wakelock> not kidding /jk
May 22 18:57:31 <badCompany> You a web developer?
May 22 18:57:43 <Afzal> why not both
May 22 18:58:01 <badCompany> web/android cool
May 22 18:58:06 <badCompany> What lang do you use for backend web?
May 22 18:58:06 <wakelock> how bout you dev the web on android
May 22 18:58:14 <badCompany> Thats interesting wakelock
May 22 18:58:31 <Afzal> wakelock that's interesting, show them phonegap lovers a taste of their own meds
May 22 18:58:33 <Afzal> I like that
May 22 18:58:45 <badCompany> I am doing something this summer and I may have to use phonegap
May 22 18:58:50 <Afzal> Could base it off gwt :D
May 22 18:58:56 <Afzal> don't you date
May 22 18:58:58 <Afzal> dare*
May 22 18:59:01 <badCompany> is it bad?
May 22 18:59:16 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  Are you implementing view recycling correctly?
May 22 18:59:18 <Afzal> badCompany I have used php (laravel) in the past but I'm playing with nodejs now
May 22 18:59:22 <wakelock> just the company
May 22 18:59:27 <badCompany> Adobe?
May 22 18:59:28 <Afzal> lol
May 22 18:59:33 <t0th_-_> yes
May 22 18:59:37 <badCompany> Cool Afzal , I also use php for webdev
May 22 18:59:38 <t0th_-_> i see in google developer page
May 22 18:59:39 <Afzal> LOL he's making a pun with your username
May 22 18:59:53 <badCompany> bad company haha
May 22 18:59:57 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  Is your project on GitHub or something?
May 22 19:00:14 <t0th_-_> can i post the adapter to you?
May 22 19:00:14 <Afzal> thing with php projects is how they're tough to migrate
May 22 19:00:29 <Afzal> t0th_-_ put it on pastebin
May 22 19:00:33 <Afzal> or hastebin, whichever
May 22 19:00:36 <badCompany> pastie is better!
May 22 19:00:42 <badCompany> :P
May 22 19:01:07 <badCompany> But yeah im doing an internship this summer Afzal, and they may want me to use phonegap
May 22 19:01:10 <badCompany> What do I do?
May 22 19:01:13 <Afzal> hastebin, dark ui. The only thing probably missing is choosing a language
May 22 19:01:17 <wakelock> TacticalJoke, you have no idea what you just got yourself into
May 22 19:01:22 <Afzal> badCompany you convince them to go native :p
May 22 19:01:32 <badCompany> Yeah, there are a lot of good reasons to use native
May 22 19:01:34 <Afzal> wakelock he does :p
May 22 19:01:40 <wakelock> language? is there any other than english?
May 22 19:01:46 <badCompany> But im their only intern, and I only know Android, no Objective-C
May 22 19:01:51 <Afzal> wakelock we all polygots over here
May 22 19:01:53 <TacticalJoke> I am prepared to go silent if it all becomes too much.  :D
May 22 19:02:05 <Afzal> ah, do you know c#?
May 22 19:02:17 <Afzal> xamarin might be the lesser of the two evils, I don't know much of it though
May 22 19:02:19 <badCompany> No I dont Afzal
May 22 19:02:45 <Afzal> oh well
May 22 19:02:55 <t0th_-_> TacticalJoke: http://pastie.org/10202661
May 22 19:02:57 <Afzal> TacticalJoke looks like he went silent before you
May 22 19:02:59 <Afzal> ah nvm
May 22 19:03:46 <Afzal> first of all, no need to keep mcontext in there. Just holder.mImage.getContext() should be okay (I think)
May 22 19:04:09 <wakelock> apparently people in here are not aware he's a known troll
May 22 19:04:15 <Afzal> who is?
May 22 19:04:26 <badCompany> Can I ask you guys an off topic question
May 22 19:04:42 <Afzal> you already did
May 22 19:04:50 <badCompany> How about another :D
May 22 19:04:53 <xpheres> just in case anyone is bored enough: https://github.com/xpheres/AndroidAnalyticalTranslator/issues/2
May 22 19:04:59 <Afzal> there's another
May 22 19:05:08 <samB__> How long does it usually take for an alpha testing link to become active?
May 22 19:05:13 <samB__> 5 so far and still get ‘sorry nothing to see here’ from my test account
May 22 19:05:22 <samB__> *5 hours
May 22 19:05:23 <badCompany> Afzal do you run linux
May 22 19:05:31 <Afzal> samB__ you have to also "Become a tester"
May 22 19:05:34 <Afzal> badCompany mac
May 22 19:05:41 <badCompany> oh ok
May 22 19:05:46 <Afzal> why?
May 22 19:05:54 <badCompany> My hibernate and suspend dont work
May 22 19:06:05 <Afzal> ah, had that problem with ubuntu long while back
May 22 19:06:11 <Afzal> that's why I hated linux
May 22 19:06:14 <badCompany> So my only options are Shut down and lock screen (which shuts screen off and locks it, but everything else still runs)
May 22 19:06:15 <samB__> Afzal: Yeah I’m already setup under ‘Gmail accounts with testing access’
May 22 19:06:17 <Afzal> always fixing broken shit
May 22 19:06:35 <badCompany> Do you think its bad to throw my laptop in the bag and drive somewhere with it while its on lock
May 22 19:06:41 <badCompany> It has a SSD
May 22 19:06:52 <TacticalJoke> I'd use a padded bag.
May 22 19:07:04 <badCompany> Just because its running?
May 22 19:07:05 <TacticalJoke> What is "on lock"?
May 22 19:07:10 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I wouldn't have it running.
May 22 19:07:18 <lasserix> screen on?
May 22 19:07:20 <badCompany> Well the lid is shut
May 22 19:07:22 <badCompany> screen is off
May 22 19:07:23 <Afzal> that ^^ but your battery will deplete by the end
May 22 19:07:25 <lasserix> better to use view method
May 22 19:07:26 <TacticalJoke> Why not turn it off?
May 22 19:07:36 <TacticalJoke> There is a risk to moving laptops while they're running.
May 22 19:07:40 <badCompany> Cause I like to have all my windows open when I open it up
May 22 19:07:47 <TacticalJoke> It's not a big risk, but problems do happen sometimes.
May 22 19:07:47 <Afzal> is it ubuntu?
May 22 19:07:50 <badCompany> yes
May 22 19:07:52 <lasserix> oh
May 22 19:07:54 <lasserix> you are OT
May 22 19:07:58 <badCompany> OT?
May 22 19:08:01 <lasserix> off topic
May 22 19:08:08 <Afzal> we all are
May 22 19:08:09 <badCompany> I know, I asked if I could ask an OT question
May 22 19:08:11 <Afzal> waaay OT
May 22 19:08:31 <Afzal> there should be #android-dev-lounge
May 22 19:08:36 <badCompany> I want to create a border around my imageview
May 22 19:08:37 <Afzal> where we talk shit about everything else
May 22 19:08:51 <TacticalJoke> Isn't that channel #kotlin?  :D
May 22 19:08:56 <Afzal> LOL
May 22 19:09:03 <lasserix> badCompany: better to do it as 9.png
May 22 19:09:12 <Afzal> badCompany padding for solid border?
May 22 19:09:12 <lasserix> otherwise you're going to have to layer shape drawables
May 22 19:09:25 <badCompany> 9.png?
May 22 19:09:30 <lasserix> unless you want a block, then you can just padding and set parent background to border color
May 22 19:09:42 <badCompany> It just needs to be a square
May 22 19:09:49 <badCompany> With a black border
May 22 19:09:53 <lasserix> yeah so as Afzalsaid just use padding
May 22 19:10:02 <badCompany> Padding will give me a border?
May 22 19:10:02 <lasserix> padding with parent has blackbackground
May 22 19:10:14 <lasserix> where the padding is you can see thru to the parent background
May 22 19:10:25 * icedp was used to watch movies on 3 hrs bus on really bad roads on laptop with HDD. works fine =)
May 22 19:10:47 <badCompany> so how do I make the padding have color lasserix
May 22 19:10:51 <badCompany> good to know icedp :P
May 22 19:11:15 <icedp> badCompany: but now recommended of cause. SSD are okay though
May 22 19:11:16 <Afzal> badCompany add padding, set backgroundColor
May 22 19:11:19 <icedp> */now/not
May 22 19:11:29 <Afzal> or background I mean
May 22 19:11:49 <badCompany> But I dont want the entire ImageView to have a black background
May 22 19:11:51 <badCompany> Just black border
May 22 19:12:07 <TacticalJoke> With secondary activities, it's possible to observe this:  onCreate(first) -> onCreate(second) -> onDestroy(first) -> onDestroy(second)
May 22 19:12:08 <TacticalJoke> Is this possible with a launcher activity?  Or does Android guarantee this couldn't ever happen?
May 22 19:12:21 <Afzal> badCompany will the imageview's gonna have src for the actual image, right?
May 22 19:12:27 <badCompany> Yes
May 22 19:12:34 <badCompany> My src is for an imagfe
May 22 19:12:36 <TacticalJoke> IOW, does it guarantee `onCreate -> onDestroy -> onCreate -> onDestroy` when closing/launching the app.
May 22 19:12:38 <badCompany> I set the padding to 10dp
May 22 19:12:46 <badCompany> and the background to black
May 22 19:12:49 <badCompany> Now its just a black box
May 22 19:12:52 <Afzal> ah
May 22 19:12:53 <Afzal> lol
May 22 19:12:57 <Afzal> lemme try this
May 22 19:13:26 <badCompany> I could just use a drawable
May 22 19:13:35 <wakelock> you got it all wrong, it's onStart -> onCreate. just ask Odaym
May 22 19:13:44 <Afzal> didn't even work
May 22 19:13:59 <badCompany> Afzal im gonna try something else
May 22 19:14:30 <Afzal> wakelock I dunno odaym but he's wrong
May 22 19:14:37 <Afzal> onCreate comes first
May 22 19:14:53 <wakelock> just ask him ;)
May 22 19:15:00 <Afzal> some inside joke? :p
May 22 19:15:10 <wakelock> next time he's around
May 22 19:15:19 <sleepster> in release builds, what's the best practice with regards to logging?
May 22 19:15:25 <sleepster> typically, do you remove everything?
May 22 19:15:29 <sleepster> keep only certain log levels?
May 22 19:15:34 <Afzal> sleepster no logging at all
May 22 19:15:49 <sleepster> I was planning on using proguard
May 22 19:15:50 <Afzal> who do you want to show logcat to? not your customers I hope
May 22 19:16:21 * wakelock wraps all Log.* in a custom static class and then just flips the ENABLED flag
May 22 19:16:24 <sleepster> Afzal: that's a good point
May 22 19:16:28 <Afzal> You can use proguard, or timber or a custom log class that doesn't log when BuildConfig.DEBUG is false
May 22 19:16:47 <Mavrik> we use proguard configuration that strips all logs with INFO and less
May 22 19:16:51 <Mavrik> keeping WARN and ERROR in
May 22 19:17:06 <Afzal> why
May 22 19:17:20 <Afzal> what's the use of WARN and ERROR to a customer?
May 22 19:17:23 <Mavrik> Easier to debug customer issues.
May 22 19:17:24 <wakelock> makes for easier debugging in the wild?
May 22 19:17:34 <Afzal> you're already getting stacktraces from crashlytics or something
May 22 19:17:43 <Mavrik> Afzal, if there's an actual crash.
May 22 19:17:43 <t0th_-_> hi, how i can use setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled with toolbar?
May 22 19:18:00 <wakelock> er, logging doesn't imply a crash
May 22 19:18:07 <TacticalJoke> t0th_-_:  custom:navigationIcon="?attr/homeAsUpIndicator"
May 22 19:18:13 <Afzal> I believe you can log events with crashlytics too
May 22 19:18:33 <Afzal> my point is that logs go to logcat, you need access to logcat to get them
May 22 19:18:40 <TacticalJoke> The old ActionBar API is fugly.
May 22 19:19:08 <samB__> hmm…I think the problem might be the link not being active. How long does it usually take for an alpha testing link to become valid?
May 22 19:19:19 <TacticalJoke> setHasAnyoneEverBeenSoFarAsDecidedToUseEvenWantGoBackEnabled();
May 22 19:19:25 <wakelock> so you're saying there's no point in even using built-in Log, Afzal?
May 22 19:19:38 <Afzal> not in release when it's out there
May 22 19:20:01 <wakelock> I disagree
May 22 19:20:41 <Tagirijus> and bye @all (=
May 22 19:20:45 <Afzal> wakelock turn off filter in your logcat and see the logs in there then tell me how many of them are useful
May 22 19:20:56 <TacticalJoke> On that topic: https://youtu.be/AhbDt9hCGWs
May 22 19:20:58 <Afzal> I see logs from newrelic that are of no use
May 22 19:21:13 <Afzal> some contagent crap that is also no use
May 22 19:21:19 <wakelock> apparently so do many others, or else my logcat wouldn't keep filling up with random app messages
May 22 19:21:22 <Afzal> they shouldn't be in my log
May 22 19:21:38 <TacticalJoke> I wish my phone would shut the freak up.  LogCat is so badly abused.
May 22 19:21:41 <g00s> the amazon kindle app spams logs bigtime
May 22 19:22:23 <TacticalJoke> So what is the value of logging in relese builds?  Just the developer seeing stuff on their own machines?
May 22 19:22:23 <ircfox_> Hey guys, I got an ListView which is failing onItemClickLister event. Here is the code snippet : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/740f52ec671635893265. If someone could help me figure out what could be the problem please. In theory the code is all fine and I got a setOnLongClickListner working just fine for the same case.
May 22 19:23:06 * wakelock modifies all his apps to make them dump every single MotionEvent into logcat
May 22 19:23:08 <Afzal> "There are no Tree implementations installed by default because every time you log in production, a puppy dies." --Jake Wharton
May 22 19:23:23 <wakelock> seems like a good idea, no?
May 22 19:23:43 <Afzal> wakelock let me just switch on the log for my library that takes in SensorEventListener data
May 22 19:24:03 <g00s> Afzal gapps log in production; and their help & feedback sends a screenshot along with the logs so its not totally useless
May 22 19:24:20 <wakelock> Afzal, well I wanted to keep it at a reasonable level :p
May 22 19:24:38 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  What is the context of the code you posted?
May 22 19:24:50 <TacticalJoke> Wondering what `view` is.
May 22 19:24:51 <g00s> not really sure how they get the logs though, maybe they just wrap it with something that appends them to a file and send the file off with screenshot ?
May 22 19:24:52 <Afzal> g00s fair, they could just keep the logs somewhere else instead of logcat but okay
May 22 19:25:06 <TacticalJoke> I guess it's a Fragment; just curious.
May 22 19:25:24 <wakelock> hey, the framework itself likes to spam the logcat too
May 22 19:25:36 <Afzal> yup
May 22 19:25:38 <Afzal> hate it
May 22 19:26:00 <Afzal> but hey, it's the framework, you might need those to debug things in your app
May 22 19:26:00 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: this view is part of the View used to inflate the Fragment
May 22 19:26:12 <g00s> oh man, back in like 4.1 or 4.2 the intel emu images spammed logcat like 100s per second
May 22 19:26:31 <TacticalJoke> "setApplicationContext called twice!" x 1,000
May 22 19:26:35 <TacticalJoke> Gee, thanks.
May 22 19:26:37 <wakelock> Afzal, can't the framework just use crashlytics instead? :p
May 22 19:26:37 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: Well actually this class implements a ListActivity
May 22 19:26:45 <samB__> What sizes do you guys make your store screenshots for each of the device sizes?
May 22 19:26:47 <samB__> I only have a nexus 4 so will have to re-size the others in PS
May 22 19:26:55 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: I mean a ListFragment, sorry.
May 22 19:27:02 <Afzal> wakelock lol
May 22 19:27:07 <TacticalJoke> Maybe you're finding the wrong ListView.
May 22 19:27:14 <TacticalJoke> Actually, I guess not.
May 22 19:27:23 <Afzal> most of the framework messages I see are skipping unknown process pid blabla
May 22 19:27:31 <Afzal> could be done without
May 22 19:27:46 <wakelock> I see a lot of GC messages too
May 22 19:27:49 <Afzal> not sure if WifiStateMachine logs are useful
May 22 19:27:56 <wakelock> or otherwise related to mem mgmt
May 22 19:27:58 <Afzal> GC messages are very useful <_<
May 22 19:28:02 <Afzal> wtf are you talking about
May 22 19:28:10 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: the real strange thing here is it works just fine for longClicks but fails on normalClicks.
May 22 19:28:26 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  It's probably ListFragment.
May 22 19:28:32 <Afzal> wtf is using Kontagent on my phone :/ sending a request every 20 seconds
May 22 19:28:36 <TacticalJoke> You're supposed to use `onListItemClick`.
May 22 19:29:01 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: I commented the longClick to avoid anything but didn't solve. I also am importing the correct Libraries.
May 22 19:29:06 <Afzal> this is another thing I hate, I should be able to disable logs for certain packages myself
May 22 19:29:21 <Afzal> if I don't want an app to print some useless log, I should be able to do that
May 22 19:29:44 <wakelock> just disable logging globally :p
May 22 19:29:45 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: yeah, perhaps ListFragment implements a different listener for simple click events.
May 22 19:29:50 <wakelock> kill the service
May 22 19:30:00 <Afzal> wakelock why don't I just detach the USB cable? :p
May 22 19:30:03 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: I will try googling it. Good point.
May 22 19:30:05 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  Right, it does.
May 22 19:30:11 <TacticalJoke> At the end of onViewCreated.
May 22 19:30:23 <TacticalJoke> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/v4/java/android/support/v4/app/ListFragment.java
May 22 19:30:30 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: yes? Cool! Man!! So why this is even possible :P
May 22 19:30:33 <TacticalJoke> I just use ListView directly, personally.
May 22 19:30:47 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  I suspect your listener is simply being canceled out by theirs.
May 22 19:30:51 <wakelock> Afzal, because that will just make it so you don't see the logs, in that case why don't you just close your eyes? :p
May 22 19:30:57 <Afzal> lol
May 22 19:31:06 <Afzal> that's it, sleep is the answer to everything
May 22 19:31:14 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: because no error is being thrown.
May 22 19:31:30 <TacticalJoke> No exception would happen in what I'm talking about.
May 22 19:31:33 <wakelock> now watch you have logcat nightmares
May 22 19:31:45 <Afzal> can't get away from this
May 22 19:31:47 <TacticalJoke> listView.setOnItemClickListener(foo); listView.setOnItemClickListener(bar);
May 22 19:31:53 <wakelock> nopd
May 22 19:31:54 <wakelock> e
May 22 19:32:02 <TacticalJoke> I could be wrong, though.  Just a possibility.
May 22 19:32:43 <wakelock> (incredibly slim but still there)
May 22 19:32:43 <badCompany> get back, log cat, better get back to the woods
May 22 19:32:44 <wakelock> :p
May 22 19:32:47 <t0th_-_> i have a toolbar with 2 fragments, list and details, how i can show the setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled in details and when return to fragment list remove the arrow?
May 22 19:33:18 <badCompany> t0th_-_ you need to start using google man
May 22 19:33:32 <t0th_-_> i am here http://technology.ezeenow.com/posts/13197/How_to_enable_homeAsUp_or_call_setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled_on_standalone_toolbar_with_appcompat_v21
May 22 19:33:58 <wakelock> ha, someone is finally getting it
May 22 19:34:05 <wakelock> (badCompany)
May 22 19:34:23 <badCompany> I know because I used to do the same thing, then everyone would flip out at me here, then I learned
May 22 19:34:29 <Afzal> well yeah
May 22 19:34:30 <Afzal> lol
May 22 19:34:52 <badCompany> ahha, but yeah only way to learn is to do it yourself t0th_-_
May 22 19:34:54 <wakelock> well I did say he's a known troll
May 22 19:35:21 <badCompany> Just needs to be guided in the right direction
May 22 19:35:39 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, but anyone could be labeled a "known troll".
May 22 19:35:47 <TacticalJoke> I've seen that so many times, and it's not always accurate.
May 22 19:35:50 <Mccs> how to share my listview between another devices by bluetooth ? please help me to write its code
May 22 19:36:31 <wakelock> badCompany, you have no idea how long he's been doing this
May 22 19:36:34 <Afzal> Mccs :/ wut
May 22 19:36:41 <wakelock> trust me, nothing ever improves
May 22 19:36:46 <badCompany> Hmm
May 22 19:36:47 <Afzal> you want to share your listview b/w two devices with bluetooth? what does that mean?
May 22 19:36:58 <Mccs> Afza : /wut
May 22 19:37:09 <badCompany> Mccs maybe share the data between the two device and then build the listview
May 22 19:37:16 <badCompany> idk if you can share the actual Listview itself :P
May 22 19:37:22 <Afzal> lol
May 22 19:37:26 <Afzal> you can't
May 22 19:37:40 <TacticalJoke> Maybe we should create a ListView network protocol.
May 22 19:37:50 <badCompany> thatd be bad ass
May 22 19:37:56 <badCompany> But I cant think of any uses
May 22 19:38:06 <Afzal> :/
May 22 19:38:12 <Afzal> TacticalJoke just use web sockets /s
May 22 19:38:23 <TacticalJoke> My app could lazily load the ListView from the network.
May 22 19:38:35 <Afzal> phonegap shit right there
May 22 19:38:39 <TacticalJoke> Loading ListView... Wait, loading ProgressBar...
May 22 19:38:44 <Afzal> LOL
May 22 19:39:04 <badCompany> What do you guys use for buttons?
May 22 19:39:12 <badCompany> Like a "Done" button
May 22 19:39:16 <TacticalJoke> The latest AppCompat shows "material" buttons.
May 22 19:39:18 <badCompany> I know the Button
May 22 19:39:20 <Mccs> what's the easiest way to store a string array in file ?
May 22 19:39:22 <Afzal> Button
May 22 19:39:27 <badCompany> but it never looks good ^
May 22 19:39:42 <Afzal> Mccs store it in strings.xml
May 22 19:39:49 <wakelock> wait, loading the loading text...
May 22 19:39:52 <Afzal> or do you mean over network?
May 22 19:39:54 <TacticalJoke> badCompany:  You could use even a TextView.
May 22 19:39:58 <badCompany> As a button?
May 22 19:40:03 <TacticalJoke> Yah.
May 22 19:40:14 <badCompany> http://material-design.storage.googleapis.com/publish/material_v_3/material_ext_publish/0Bx4BSt6jniD7VEdpenhQNFJRZm8/components_buttons_usage2.png
May 22 19:40:16 <TacticalJoke> You could make it highlight on click.
May 22 19:40:17 <badCompany> Like thats nice
May 22 19:40:32 <badCompany> Looks like just a button with nice colors and a shadow
May 22 19:40:34 <badCompany> No?
May 22 19:40:43 <Mccs> Afzal : i have a string array with 1000 items
May 22 19:41:04 <wakelock> that seems excessive
May 22 19:42:03 <TacticalJoke> VB6 programmers back in the day would store it in a single, comma-delimited string.
May 22 19:42:16 <Afzal> TacticalJoke back in the day?/
May 22 19:42:20 <Afzal> psh
May 22 19:42:51 <TacticalJoke> I guess I'm covering 1998 onwards.
May 22 19:43:29 <Ashiren> but thats how camera parameters flatten work :v
May 22 19:43:31 <TacticalJoke> Or maybe you meant "They still do it today", which is a scary idea.  I'd hope VB6 was dead (although I'm sure it's alive and well).  :[
May 22 19:44:57 <wakelock> Afzal, arrays are such an alien and scary concept
May 22 19:45:14 <Afzal> wakelock I love arrays
May 22 19:45:17 <Afzal> arrays love me
May 22 19:45:17 <Ashiren> but mostly efficient
May 22 19:45:24 <Afzal> we're a happy array family
May 22 19:45:35 <Afzal> with a great big array and an element from me to you
May 22 19:45:45 <Afzal> won't you say add an element too
May 22 19:45:57 <TacticalJoke> I would love arrays, but they say they pay me too much already.
May 22 19:45:59 <wakelock> what index though
May 22 19:46:14 <Afzal> ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
May 22 19:46:21 * wakelock puts a null at [0]
May 22 19:46:35 <Afzal> it's not a String[] and not an Object[]
May 22 19:46:37 <Afzal> get outta here
May 22 19:46:39 <Afzal> it's a double[]
May 22 19:46:55 <wakelock> ok well
May 22 19:47:06 <badCompany> Im out guys
May 22 19:47:10 <badCompany> Talk to you later
May 22 19:47:26 * wakelock puts a (Double)null at [0]
May 22 19:47:41 <Afzal> don't think that's allowed
May 22 19:47:52 <wakelock> go check :p
May 22 19:47:53 <Afzal> gets converted before putting in there
May 22 19:47:59 <JesusFreke> that'll be an NPE
May 22 19:48:21 <wakelock> JesusFreke, that was the whole point ;)
May 22 19:48:31 <wakelock> I'm trying to mess up his happy arrays
May 22 19:48:41 <JesusFreke> I didn't read backlog, just caught the last few statements :)
May 22 19:49:31 * wakelock puts a null at JesusFreke[0]
May 22 19:49:59 <Afzal> wakelock I see. :( I see what you did to my double[]
May 22 19:50:02 <wakelock> gee, I hope JesusFreke was allocated prior to that
May 22 19:50:41 <wakelock> Afzal, it's okay, they're still happy
May 22 19:51:11 <JesusFreke> Luckily, I'm not a primitive, so that won't cause an NPE
May 22 19:51:31 <wakelock> lol
May 22 19:51:56 <wakelock> well at least not right away ;)
May 22 19:52:01 <TacticalJoke> JesusFreke is just an object to me.
May 22 19:52:42 <wakelock> snap
May 22 19:54:48 <Afzal> ooo
May 22 19:56:28 <wakelock> eee
May 22 20:00:14 <samB__> Is there an easier way than waiting for an app to become live on the alpha build for testing IAP?
May 22 20:01:33 <wakelock> yeah, go buy stuff in other apps
May 22 20:01:48 <wakelock> ohhh, you didn't mean from user perspective :p
May 22 20:01:56 <samB__> hehe :)
May 22 20:18:33 <tjbiddle> Anyone here know how to send push notifications to phones with Xiaomi Market installed? (Market used instead of Google Play in China)
May 22 20:18:39 <tjbiddle> I can't find any information on it
May 22 20:23:44 <zambo> some guy made his own framework for push notifications outside of GCM and posted it on reddit
May 22 20:23:50 <zambo> you could try to track that down and look into it
May 22 20:23:56 <zambo> it was a paid service
May 22 20:24:34 <zambo> amazon also has a push service
May 22 20:25:37 <Mavrik> tjbiddle, you probably need Xiaomi's SDK
May 22 20:27:39 <icedp> tjbiddle: it doesn't matter was it installed through Google Play or not. The reason it doesn't work in China is because Google is blocked there. So anything not blocked will do. Like parse.com
May 22 20:28:29 <g00s> seems like a good application for a build flavor, one that has xiaomi and one that has play
May 22 20:31:25 <g00s> "Moto G 1st Gen (2013) now receiving Android 5.0.2 Lollipop update", why 5.0.2 - didn't they fix all those memory leaks in 5.1 ?
May 22 20:32:57 <Ashiren> it gets android 5 - thats fair enough
May 22 20:33:43 <g00s> i view x.0.y builds as dogfood for nexus users
May 22 20:35:12 <g00s> ok, now to add leak canary
May 22 20:35:34 <g00s> Mavrik did you see ndk 10.e was released ?
May 22 20:35:53 <Mavrik> mhm, we already switched
May 22 20:36:03 <Mavrik> they fixed the GDB bug that annoyed me and Clang 3.6 is in
May 22 20:36:31 <g00s> lol http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2077/258/original.jpg
May 22 20:36:58 <tjbiddle> icedp: Exactly. I know I can't use GCM
May 22 20:37:08 <tjbiddle> icedp: What are push notification options for users in China though?
May 22 20:37:19 <Neil> Does anyone know how long the Android Maps API key should be? Character wise, that is.
May 22 20:37:33 <icedp> the biggest disappointment as a user for Nexus 4 was that Wakelock Detector stopped working sensibly which practically means battery life decreased in a factor of 2..3
May 22 20:37:35 <tjbiddle> Doesn't parse just use GCM?
May 22 20:37:37 * tjbiddle reads
May 22 20:37:46 <icedp> ..with update to 5.x.x
May 22 20:38:06 <icedp> tjbiddle: I mentioned one of them
May 22 20:39:33 <Mavrik> icedp, have to install less spyware on it :P
May 22 20:41:07 <icedp> Mavrik: like this one? https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/tugHix9DqjBHvYGU5OwKYMjNXJq8Gxr9/Screenshot_2015-05-22-23-40-14.png
May 22 20:41:23 <Mavrik> mhm.
May 22 20:41:41 <Mavrik> As a developer you really should know what that does :P
May 22 20:41:42 <g00s> the nsa needs to install stuff on your device any time, so leave that alone
May 22 20:42:44 <Mavrik> Anyway, pretty much all my Nexuses have significanlty better battery life on 5.x
May 22 20:42:57 <Mavrik> N4 and N5 are slightly better, N7 got a huge deal
May 22 20:43:02 <Mavrik> N9 is pretty nice as well
May 22 20:43:17 <luist> how do i clear the app data programatically?
May 22 20:43:45 <icedp> as a developer on pre-L I was able to see what bastard keeps lock on my location (it's usually it), kills the service - and phone works 24 h instead of 8h
May 22 20:44:23 <Mavrik> luist, your own or others?
May 22 20:44:42 <luist> Mavrik: uh? my own app
May 22 20:44:44 <Mavrik> icedp, yeah, as I said, install less spyware :P
May 22 20:45:06 <Mavrik> luist, hmm, I guess just recursively delete content of your data dir?
May 22 20:45:15 <Mavrik> I'm not sure if there's a PackageManager call for that
May 22 20:45:28 <icedp> Mavrik: well, that's an option. unfortunatelly I have to use Facebook or G+ periodically
May 22 20:45:42 <Mavrik> Ah FB.
May 22 20:45:54 <icedp> luist: perhaps you can just delete files in your data directory.
May 22 20:46:50 <icedp> luist: programmatically I mean
May 22 20:54:22 <ErnestG> Anyone going to one of the many Google I/O "parties" the night before in sf?
May 22 20:56:12 <g00s> ErnestG sounds like a good way to get your app featured in Play
May 22 20:57:37 <ErnestG> I know Parse, Google, and Fabric are apparently doing things the night before. Just trying to see if anyone from here will be around.
May 22 20:57:46 <Sixmsj> is there a way to animate edittext height changes when it’s multiline?
May 22 20:59:47 <tricknology_> ErnestG: I know Parse, Google, and Fabric are apparently doing things the night before. Just trying to see if anyone from here will be around.
May 22 20:59:50 <tricknology_> que?
May 22 20:59:57 <tricknology_> aah in SF, no
May 22 21:01:20 <Datasmurfen> Hello, I have a problem am stuck with for some days. When open a new activity in navigation drawer. Inside webview the music from soundclock just keeps play in background. Anyone have some ideas how to fix this?
May 22 21:03:56 <Odaym> what?
May 22 21:03:58 <Odaym> what's soundclock
May 22 21:05:56 <Datasmurfen> SoundHound *
May 22 21:06:10 <Datasmurfen> SoundCloud, MixCloud etc
May 22 21:06:52 <Odaym> you opening soundhound in that webview?
May 22 21:07:56 <Datasmurfen> SoundCloud *  (AutoCorrect on phone)
May 22 21:08:15 <Odaym> dude
May 22 21:12:02 <Odaym> are you all attending IO
May 22 21:12:09 <Odaym> well obviously not all, but most are American?
May 22 21:12:14 <Odaym> you have access to America?
May 22 21:13:11 <ErnestG> Yeah everyone here gets an invite
May 22 21:13:54 <Odaym> nice
May 22 21:14:56 <Odaym> we really should be getting something like that
May 22 21:15:18 <Odaym> aside from the Google Group about android, who has the biggest population of android developers who are dealing with day-to-day stuff?
May 22 21:16:08 <Odaym> or at least to assign someone from the android team to join here once a day to receive insults and complaints and then leave
May 22 21:17:27 <lasserix> isnt io lottery based?
May 22 21:17:58 <Odaym> what..
May 22 21:18:12 <Odaym> well, thats a nice idea actually
May 22 21:18:50 <Odaym> BY THE WAY
May 22 21:18:57 <Odaym> your formula was incorrect
May 22 21:19:03 <s73v3r> most of it is lottery based, however there are ways to request tickets if you know the right people
May 22 21:19:20 <Odaym> they say that about getting a job at Google
May 22 21:19:22 <Odaym> lol
May 22 21:20:29 <Odaym> lasserix, your formula was wrong, the one about calculating where rotation animation last stopped
May 22 21:21:16 <Odaym> because the division you had there was int / int, if the first int is smaller, the result is zero and then the whole expression is zero'ed
May 22 21:21:27 <samB__> I published my app for alpha testing 6 hours ago and the link is still not working
May 22 21:21:28 <TacticalJoke> I wanna see anarchists crashing the event with "We want official support for alternative JVM languages" signs.
May 22 21:21:31 <samB__> Is that normal?
May 22 21:21:49 <Odaym> then someone would shout at you, "oh shut up you just wanna look special cause Java isn't cool anymore!"
May 22 21:22:02 <treelzebub> TacticalJoke: they'll be there, secretly paid by Oracle...hahah
May 22 21:23:59 <Odaym> I wish you would help more lasserix cause I didnt know what to do after that, Im really bad at maths
May 22 21:28:49 <surf2b1> samB__: It can take several hours. 6 hours seems long but be patient and I bet it will show up soon.
May 22 21:29:28 <samB__> surf2b1: Thanks man thats good to know
May 22 21:29:31 <Odaym> sup samB__
May 22 21:29:31 <lasserix> if throw in a try with a finally but no catch the exception is ignored?
May 22 21:29:31 <samB__> I was just worried that I didn’t setup something correctly
May 22 21:29:47 <Odaym> there is no exception lasserix
May 22 21:29:54 <Odaym> the whole expression suggests that you replace it with 0L
May 22 21:30:03 <lasserix> Odaym: that means there is no angular velocity: ie no rotation is happenning
May 22 21:30:05 <Odaym> meaning long value of 0, since hte calculation is obviously zero at parse time
May 22 21:30:08 <eggie5> I've got a fragment that is a ListView managed by an array adapter (A list of contacts). When a user adds a contact a new activity is started which handles the form and API calls. What is the best way to get this info back to the array adapter so the list can be updated?
May 22 21:30:13 <samB__> Odaym: Hey, still working on porting over the app. You?
May 22 21:30:23 <Odaym> dude no, the int division you are doing will result in zero
May 22 21:30:27 <lasserix> Odaym: ohh sorry angular velocity is not a float
May 22 21:30:27 <Odaym> the thing hasnt run yet
May 22 21:30:40 <lasserix> velocity is not an integer it is real valued variable
May 22 21:30:48 <lasserix> but the eqution is not incorrect ;p
May 22 21:30:53 <Odaym> ..man
May 22 21:30:56 <Odaym> wait
May 22 21:31:01 <lasserix> i promise you
May 22 21:31:06 <Odaym> crazy talk ahead
May 22 21:31:13 <Odaym> let me jsut open it
May 22 21:31:16 <lasserix> m / h * h = total miles
May 22 21:31:28 <lasserix> that is linear, this is for angular
May 22 21:31:32 <eggie5> startActivityForResult/onActivityResult pattersn?
May 22 21:31:36 <lasserix> oh wait
May 22 21:31:58 <TacticalJoke> eggie5:  Yeah.
May 22 21:33:04 <Odaym> lasserix, https://www.dropbox.com/s/nl9u7ybjwxa49p2/Screenshot%202015-05-23%2000.32.51.png?dl=0
May 22 21:33:13 <lasserix> Odaym: oops it hink you have to % 360 to get the rest angle
May 22 21:33:38 <Odaym> so just 360 / 100
May 22 21:33:46 <Odaym> ok the warning goes away now with that.. but see the scrot
May 22 21:34:49 <lasserix> ?
May 22 21:35:01 <Odaym> the screenshot above
May 22 21:35:25 <Odaym> still zero
May 22 21:35:31 <lasserix> hold on a sec
May 22 21:35:36 <lasserix> been a while since i did this
May 22 21:35:55 <Odaym> getTimeInMillis is an astronomical number
May 22 21:35:59 <Odaym> im sure it isnt corrent
May 22 21:36:04 <Odaym> its since the epoc
May 22 21:37:27 <tricknology_> Datasmurfen, do you have an example?
May 22 21:37:29 <tricknology_> code?
May 22 21:37:49 <tricknology_> are you jsut opening soundcloud.com in the webview?
May 22 21:42:12 <icedp> Odaym: 500 / 360 is always 1
May 22 21:42:35 <icedp> Odaym: 360 / 100 is always 3
May 22 21:43:00 <Odaym> ok
May 22 21:43:01 <lasserix> Odaym: yeah it is angular velocity * duration % 360
May 22 21:43:10 <Odaym> ohhh %
May 22 21:43:11 <lasserix> angular velocity * duration gives total degrees
May 22 21:43:18 <Odaym> I did / 100 thinking it was percent
May 22 21:43:20 <lasserix> then you need to mod to find relative
May 22 21:43:22 <lasserix> degree
May 22 21:43:24 <Odaym> sorry for moronness
May 22 21:43:27 <lasserix> np
May 22 21:43:38 <Odaym> even if /100 it wouldnt have been percent :P
May 22 21:43:48 <Odaym> you'd need to multiply by hundred again
May 22 21:43:53 <Odaym> oh, no I dont know
May 22 21:44:02 <icedp> Odaym: what do you want to do?
May 22 21:44:11 <Odaym> TAKE OVER THE WORLD MAN!
May 22 21:44:30 <lasserix> he is trying to win this contest
May 22 21:44:30 <Odaym> find out where a rotation animation has stopped
May 22 21:44:34 <icedp> break task in smaller steps
May 22 21:44:36 <Odaym> nah man that was yesterday
May 22 21:44:37 <lasserix> is this for that contest?
May 22 21:44:39 <Odaym> and I did win it
May 22 21:44:39 <lasserix> oh
May 22 21:44:42 <lasserix> what!/
May 22 21:44:45 <lasserix> bs
May 22 21:44:47 <Odaym> its easy man, 2 hours
May 22 21:44:51 <lasserix> you really won it?
May 22 21:44:55 <Odaym> yea
May 22 21:45:00 <Odaym> you win a job at their "startup"
May 22 21:45:01 <lasserix> can i see your app?
May 22 21:45:04 <Odaym> which I refused before I started
May 22 21:45:10 <icedp> Odaym: animations usually animate properties
May 22 21:45:16 <Odaym> it isnt anything man it's just what you saw in the google docs
May 22 21:45:19 <icedp> Odaym: maybe you can read it
May 22 21:45:22 <lasserix> icedp: he is doing rotationanimation
May 22 21:45:26 <lasserix> doesn't give you angle stopped at
May 22 21:45:30 <Odaym> it doesnt do anything but spin the circle and move a circular seekbar
May 22 21:45:51 <lasserix> odaym oh yeah
May 22 21:45:55 <Odaym> that's it
May 22 21:46:01 <lasserix> you have to add the initial angle if it i didn't start at 0
May 22 21:46:38 <Odaym> they didnt even see that, I just didnt want it to go back to zero position when you cancel animation, it's just wrong behavior
May 22 21:46:42 <lasserix> ((angular velocity * duration) + initial angle offset) % 360
May 22 21:46:58 <lasserix> Odaym: i want to see your contest entry app
May 22 21:47:08 <Odaym> its the one you saw in the docs man
May 22 21:47:38 <Odaym> this first one  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fMuY32NWlcjnzohCpoe4CyIS3twPKJxkqCX9Q1CEeGQ/edit
May 22 21:47:51 <Odaym> with the gif
May 22 21:48:32 <ventura> Odaym: i tried django and flask for backend developement and totally gave up to spring, akka, and play
May 22 21:48:46 <lasserix> Odaym: you made the one they used as an example?
May 22 21:48:46 <Odaym> wat
May 22 21:48:57 <lasserix> stop trolling yo
May 22 21:48:59 <Odaym> that's how they want it
May 22 21:49:07 <lasserix> oh
May 22 21:49:09 <Odaym> and the gif is how it should behave
May 22 21:49:12 <lasserix> i though they wanted original designs
May 22 21:49:20 <Odaym> no
May 22 21:49:22 <ventura> totally verborragic programming, but perform better
May 22 21:49:24 <lasserix> ahh
May 22 21:49:25 <lasserix> ok
May 22 21:49:27 <lasserix> thats boring
May 22 21:49:30 <Odaym> i know
May 22 21:49:42 <Odaym> challenge my ass
May 22 21:50:12 <adq> :)
May 22 21:50:19 <Odaym> but one of the other guys couldnt figure out how to make the rotation endless and still not look like its settling at zero point and then restarting
May 22 21:50:31 <adq> code some watchfaces and your trigo skills will raise or be refreshed
May 22 21:50:50 <Odaym> yea especially when you have zero maths ability
May 22 21:51:01 <adq> uh, that should be forbidden
May 22 21:51:08 <Odaym> well it exists
May 22 21:51:16 <Odaym> and so far no one caught me
May 22 21:51:16 <Odaym> haha
May 22 21:51:54 <Odaym> its pretty embarrassing
May 22 21:52:33 <Odaym> ez, just dont go near games
May 22 21:52:52 <Odaym> I did heavy DSP at a previous company, still no math rigor
May 22 21:53:03 <Odaym> you can definitely get by fine
May 22 21:53:20 <Odaym> but for example algorithm questions and complexity and real CS theory, flat on your face
May 22 21:53:27 <Odaym> so forget Google or anything like that
May 22 21:54:08 <adq> complexity is really advanced compared to trigonometry i think
May 22 21:54:19 <adq> information theory (shannon & cie) is too
May 22 21:54:23 <Odaym> at university I spent 1.5 years repeating the 6 math courses
May 22 21:54:35 <Odaym> whether repeating twice or just once or sometimes 3 times
May 22 21:54:58 <adq> i really enjoyed uni (i did univ too)
May 22 21:55:11 <adq> best cursus was "Epistemology", despite not very technical
May 22 21:55:19 <Odaym> the day I graduated was when the teacher told me I got 69 on numerical methods, not passing
May 22 21:55:26 <Odaym> but said that you're gonna graduate, its ok
May 22 21:55:29 <adq> lol
May 22 21:55:39 <Odaym> it was my third time repeating it, they started giving me the exams to take home
May 22 21:56:08 <adq> doesn't sound fair lol, but... anyway
May 22 21:56:11 <adq> ttyl brb
May 22 21:56:16 <Odaym> ok
May 22 21:58:22 <lasserix> information theory is where it is f-cking at
May 22 21:58:50 <Odaym> what
May 22 21:58:52 <Odaym> ICT?
May 22 21:59:02 <lasserix> anyone who is interested in information theory: definatly read this book
May 22 21:59:04 <lasserix> that means you g00s
May 22 21:59:13 <Odaym> bullshit I wanna be like dijikstra!
May 22 21:59:14 <Odaym> :D
May 22 22:00:30 <lasserix> graph theory is the way to go if you want to get a phd in math
May 22 22:00:31 <lasserix> so easy
May 22 22:00:40 <Odaym> my friend is doing this
May 22 22:00:46 <Odaym> boston university scholarship
May 22 22:00:50 <Odaym> from lebanon
May 22 22:00:56 <Odaym> also terrible at maths, also repeated a lot of them
May 22 22:01:05 <Odaym> now he studies program correctness
May 22 22:01:14 <Odaym> i.e. Hamming and others
May 22 22:01:36 <Odaym> he wrote an amazing paper about ad-blocking on Android
May 22 22:02:13 <Odaym> Im reluctant to share here, Ive known about it for some time but still enjoying that im from the few who read this genius but simple way of doing it :P
May 22 22:02:32 <Odaym> AND circumvents proguard very easily
May 22 22:02:55 <Odaym> dont mean to show off, just talking honestly
May 22 22:04:08 <lasserix> is there anyway i get @Override to be on the same line as the method automatically?
May 22 22:04:46 <Odaym> yea, code style
May 22 22:04:59 <Odaym> ok FINE here's the paper https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/ads-blocking%20on%20Android.pdf
May 22 22:07:03 <TacticalJoke> Odaym:  TL;DR?
May 22 22:07:10 <Odaym> it can be done very easily
May 22 22:07:16 <Odaym> and even distributed as an app
May 22 22:07:22 <Odaym> that lets you un-ad any other app
May 22 22:07:27 <Odaym> its fucking crazy
May 22 22:07:36 <Odaym> I shot it a lot of ways, he answered them all
May 22 22:07:51 <Odaym> mainly shot it from the part where the program he is talking about is fed an APK
May 22 22:08:51 <Odaym> he says that there IS an APK that is sent to you, but we know it as "the final installation of the app on your phone"
May 22 22:09:10 <TacticalJoke> Comma fail: "Applications that were successfully modified, had their modified versions put through the execution test."
May 22 22:09:26 <Odaym> major comma fail haha
May 22 22:09:50 <Odaym> he is in BU, isnt that from BU?
May 22 22:10:00 <Odaym> it doesnt look like it is
May 22 22:10:05 <JesusFreke> also: "Android and Advertisement Librairies"
May 22 22:10:16 <Odaym> ah maybe you can release a research paper from any other university even if you are in another one
May 22 22:10:36 <Odaym> its correct JesusFreke
May 22 22:10:43 <Odaym> Android libraries and advertisement libraries
May 22 22:10:47 <TacticalJoke> Librairies
May 22 22:10:47 <Odaym> Android and advertisement libraries
May 22 22:10:50 <Odaym> oh
May 22 22:10:52 <JesusFreke> spelling :)
May 22 22:10:53 <Odaym> lol
May 22 22:11:11 <Odaym> well I liked it a lot, the part about weaving is insane
May 22 22:11:19 <Odaym> cause I had thought proguard is god
May 22 22:11:28 <Odaym> but the fact that you still have the manifest
May 22 22:11:40 <Odaym> and they still have the code of the ad libraries
May 22 22:11:48 <Odaym> they go there and replace the calls to the ad API's with NULL
May 22 22:11:53 <Odaym> ads gone
May 22 22:11:58 <Odaym> that's the tl;dr of it
May 22 22:12:17 <Afzal> man wtf suddenly happened to my shared element :/
May 22 22:12:19 <Afzal> doesn't show up
May 22 22:18:48 <lasserix> is there a way to resolve color ints into html or whatever?
May 22 22:18:58 <Afzal> Odaym why aren't we using Weave Droid instead of Xposed?
May 22 22:19:02 <lasserix> ie how to determine what -167773933 actually is as a color?
May 22 22:19:21 <Odaym> to achieve what Afzal ?
May 22 22:19:30 <Afzal> to modify apps like Xposed does
May 22 22:19:50 <Odaym> well you'd have to know exactly what each ones does to know why you are using one over the other
May 22 22:20:01 <Odaym> i am sure they are not identical, "modify" can mean tons of things
May 22 22:20:15 <JesusFreke> it doesn't look like weavedroid is open sourced. Or at least, I couldn't find it after a cursory search
May 22 22:20:29 <JesusFreke> (was curious if they're using the dexlib2 library from smali :))
May 22 22:21:01 <Afzal> I can't even find Weave droid
May 22 22:21:31 <JesusFreke> the main problems I see is that some apps won't work if you resign them, and you will no longer get automatic updates for them
May 22 22:21:36 <Odaym> I think they use it under a license, he mentioned the university that supplies it for them
May 22 22:21:53 <JesusFreke> I thought it was something they developed for that paper
May 22 22:22:08 <Odaym> no the paper is about leveraging those things to achieve no ads
May 22 22:22:16 <Odaym> bascially adblock for the mobile
May 22 22:22:28 <Odaym> but the keys issue is the ..issue
May 22 22:22:44 <Odaym> I think he answered it when I was asking but I dont remember
May 22 22:23:21 <JesusFreke> oh, the original weave droid paper is from 2012
May 22 22:23:34 <JesusFreke> "In the near future, we plan to make Weave Droid open-source and available for Android developers to be used as a third-party tool and modified"
May 22 22:23:37 <JesusFreke> so much for that :)
May 22 22:23:51 <lasserix> whats the best way to do multiname package?
May 22 22:24:01 <JesusFreke> multiname package?
May 22 22:24:17 <lasserix> yeah like most of the time i do view
May 22 22:24:17 <Mavrik> lasserix, it's 4 bytes, each byte a color in ARGB order.
May 22 22:24:23 <lasserix> or rotation
May 22 22:24:29 <lasserix> but now i have DragSortListView
May 22 22:24:34 <Mavrik> r = (color >> 24) & 0xFF
May 22 22:24:35 <lasserix> under view
May 22 22:24:39 <Mavrik> g = (color >> 16) etc.
May 22 22:24:39 <lasserix> trying to figure out waht package
May 22 22:24:46 <lasserix> Mavrik: ahh thanks
May 22 22:25:17 <Odaym> dragsortlistview is for buerca
May 22 22:25:37 <Mavrik> lasserix, also see Color class for helpers ČP
May 22 22:26:53 <lasserix> Odaym: yeah but in my project
May 22 22:26:58 <lasserix> i am not importing it
May 22 22:27:04 <lasserix> i just copied the cannablized classes over
May 22 22:27:55 <lasserix> Does anyone know how to drink a coffee with foam on the top such that the foam also comes into your mouth, as opposed to floating to the other side ?
May 22 22:27:57 <lasserix> hehe
May 22 22:28:27 <Odaym> I did the same :P
May 22 22:28:46 <lasserix> i guess
May 22 22:28:50 <lasserix> listview.dragnsort will have to do
May 22 22:28:53 <Odaym> I refer to it from my own classes
May 22 22:29:05 <Odaym> and add the xmlns:app="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto" line to the root element of course
May 22 22:29:09 <groxx> anyone know of a good JSON library for android?  I know of gson and jackson, but I'm not really familiar with what the current state-of-the-art is :|
May 22 22:29:18 <Odaym> and fix the package name in each of the dragsort files
May 22 22:29:19 <lasserix> gson is okay
May 22 22:29:28 <lasserix> groxx square just released something Moshi I think?
May 22 22:29:45 <lasserix> Odaym: i just copy and paste
May 22 22:29:46 <groxx> ah, right.  checking that one out.
May 22 22:29:51 <Odaym> well yes me too
May 22 22:29:55 <lasserix> i cloned the project, edited it to hell, then copy and paste it into my project
May 22 22:30:02 <Odaym> yes ok
May 22 22:30:04 <Odaym> it should work
May 22 22:30:05 <Odaym> ..
May 22 22:30:07 <Odaym> as is
May 22 22:30:11 <groxx> "Moshi is currently under development. The API is not stable and neither is the feature set. It should not be used." :'( so probably not usable at work yet.  but interesting anyway, thanks lasserix :)
May 22 22:53:28 <lasserix> g00s do you know how to dismiss a snackbar message via code?
May 22 22:53:46 <lasserix> nm thats a stupid question
May 22 22:54:01 <Odaym> snackbar?
May 22 22:54:22 <Odaym> :o
May 22 22:54:32 <Odaym> I...I didn't know..
May 22 22:54:57 <Odaym> thanks
May 22 23:13:26 <lasserix> ANyone got a recomendation
May 22 23:13:33 <lasserix> I got a listview that is sometimes smaller than the height of its available space
May 22 23:13:44 <lasserix> i need to give the listview a background color, distinct from the background fo the listviews parent
May 22 23:14:02 <lasserix> but you aren't supposed to use wrap content on the height of a listview so...
May 22 23:15:12 <wakelock> "aren't supposed to" never stopped anyone ;)
May 22 23:17:29 <lasserix> well if you do
May 22 23:17:40 <lasserix> you get getview called 2x
May 22 23:18:35 <wakelock> ah
May 22 23:21:52 <lasserix> wrapping in a framelayout with wrap content and match parent on height for listview probably wouldnt work either
May 22 23:21:52 <lasserix> sign
May 22 23:22:03 <lasserix> is there a way to convert a viewparent into a viewgroup?
May 22 23:25:28 <lasserix> wakelock figured it out
May 22 23:51:18 <wakelock> cool
May 22 23:53:33 <Afzal> omg, I've created a monster
May 22 23:53:34 <Afzal> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1y02sval3xi8wrt/2015_05_22_19_51_07.mp4?dl=0
May 22 23:54:00 <Afzal> the quality on flickr is so much better :/
May 22 23:54:32 <Odaym> im about to go into that stuff!
May 22 23:54:36 <Odaym> tomorrow
May 22 23:54:51 <Afzal> animations?
May 22 23:54:57 <Odaym> lollipop animations
May 22 23:55:39 <Afzal> it's all downhill from the time you think of custom animations
May 22 23:55:59 <Odaym> nah I just want the item i click on to expand itself into the new activity
May 22 23:56:05 <Odaym> and vice versa
May 22 23:56:08 <Afzal> *just*
May 22 23:56:19 <Odaym> it IS easy
May 22 23:56:22 <Afzal> it depends *when* you wanna animate it
May 22 23:56:23 <Odaym> see making of falcon pro 3
May 22 23:56:32 <Odaym> he talks about them a little
May 22 23:56:34 <Afzal> do you wanna animate AFTER the shared element transition is done
May 22 23:56:37 <Afzal> or during
May 22 23:56:45 <Odaym> there is no shared element that will linger into the other activity
May 22 23:56:54 <Odaym> it will be like the alarm app
May 22 23:57:00 <Odaym> or when you call someone
May 22 23:57:13 <Afzal> reveal only?
May 22 23:57:15 <Odaym> just pops into the other view, it doesnt bring anything with it
May 22 23:57:17 <Odaym> yea
May 22 23:57:20 <Odaym> if that's what they call it
May 22 23:57:30 <Afzal> ah so you basically just handle animations manually
May 22 23:57:33 <Afzal> that's no fun
May 22 23:57:45 <Afzal> it's like how it was done before lollipop came along
May 22 23:57:50 <Odaym> hmm
May 22 23:57:59 <Odaym> not sure which one you mean
May 22 23:58:33 <Afzal> I'm pretty sure it's shared element transition and then you position/animate it manually in the new activity
May 22 23:59:20 <Odaym> just grab a nexus 5 and call someone
May 22 23:59:22 <Odaym> you'll see it
May 23 00:00:35 <Afzal> i know what you're talking about, that's the simplest form. Circular reveal a big blob, transition activity right after and resize the big blob
May 23 00:01:03 <Odaym> great
May 23 00:01:06 <Odaym> there's no shared element there
May 23 00:01:20 <Afzal> One could argue for a shared element with the blue box
May 23 00:01:21 <Odaym> correct?
May 23 00:01:25 <Afzal> but it's needless
May 23 00:01:27 <Odaym> no, that's teh color
May 23 00:01:49 <Afzal> I'm trying to do the play store animation where a square changes into a circle, animates to another activity and then reveals
May 23 00:02:03 <Odaym> did you notice the bug in play store?
May 23 00:02:17 <Afzal> what bug?
May 23 00:02:30 <Odaym> ah its gone
May 23 00:02:34 <Afzal> ??
May 23 00:02:35 <Odaym> shared element goes back to wrong cell
May 23 00:02:38 <Odaym> :)
May 23 00:02:44 <Afzal> haha
May 23 00:02:55 <Odaym> I couldnt believe it when I saw
May 23 00:02:59 <Odaym> showed everybody
May 23 00:03:05 <Afzal> lol
May 23 00:03:19 <Afzal> fuck it, i'll just decompile the play store app :D
May 23 00:03:28 <Odaym> ddnt get the one you meant though
May 23 00:03:29 <Odaym> let me see
May 23 00:03:31 <Odaym> one sec
May 23 00:03:46 <Odaym> where does that happen
May 23 00:04:02 <Afzal> Odaym like this: http://www.androiddesignpatterns.com/assets/videos/posts/2015/01/12/overlay-opt.mp4 ?
May 23 00:04:13 <Odaym> haha, go to play store now and go to a category
May 23 00:04:18 <Odaym> press on an app and then go back and scroll
May 23 00:04:20 <Odaym> oh my god..
May 23 00:04:44 <Afzal> oh lol, yeah that seems like an easily reproducible bug
May 23 00:04:50 <Odaym> it bugs
May 23 00:04:56 <Odaym> lingers where you scrolled then jumps back up
May 23 00:05:09 <Odaym> that's not a square changing into a circle
May 23 00:05:15 <Afzal> oh? For me, it reveals but the image is not replaced
May 23 00:05:22 <Afzal> yeah I know it's a reveal animator
May 23 00:05:22 <Odaym> its simply a circle appearing and then enlarging
May 23 00:05:30 <Afzal> nope, it's a reveal animator
May 23 00:05:42 <Odaym> yes but there was no square that turned into something else
May 23 00:05:45 <Odaym> like you said above
May 23 00:06:12 <Afzal> i'm talking about the little image turning into a circle while transitioning
May 23 00:06:21 <Odaym> it does that in the second run
May 23 00:06:25 <Afzal> or actually either way, during the transition
May 23 00:06:31 <Odaym> nope, still doesnt do that
May 23 00:06:45 <Odaym> hides the square at the same time that it starts enlarging the circle it created
May 23 00:06:46 <lasserix> Does new ArrayList<~>(someOtherList) create that as deep or shallow?
May 23 00:07:36 <Afzal> ah
May 23 00:07:40 <Afzal> well ... shit
May 23 00:07:51 <Afzal> this is why I want to be able to slow down reveal animations >_<
May 23 00:07:59 <Odaym> just think easier
May 23 00:08:22 <Odaym> you can use decelrate on them
May 23 00:08:35 <Odaym> accelerate decelerate actually
May 23 00:08:35 <Afzal> you can't :)
May 23 00:08:39 <Afzal> not from developer options
May 23 00:08:39 <Odaym> ORLY
May 23 00:08:40 <Odaym> why not
May 23 00:08:40 <Afzal> try it
May 23 00:08:42 <Afzal> dunno
May 23 00:08:47 <Odaym> developer options?
May 23 00:08:50 <Afzal> something to do with native animator
May 23 00:09:05 <canvs2321> lasserix, should be shallow, just adds the objects to the new list, changing either object in either list should still affect the same in both list
May 23 00:09:05 <Odaym> I mean you do that in XML
May 23 00:09:09 <lasserix> shallow
May 23 00:09:11 <lasserix> yeah
May 23 00:09:15 <Afzal> I'm talking about slowing down animations in play store to see what's actually happening
May 23 00:09:17 <Odaym> as the interpolator for the reveal animation
May 23 00:09:20 <Odaym> ohhh
May 23 00:09:24 <Odaym> just use VLC man
May 23 00:09:38 <Afzal> meh, too lazy
May 23 00:09:43 <Afzal> I got a supergirl pilot to watch!
May 23 00:09:49 <Odaym> I just used Pause on your vid
May 23 00:10:43 <Afzal> but here's someting
May 23 00:11:05 <Afzal> if you're enlarging that red circle, why not just do it with the image (if the image is the same)
May 23 00:11:25 <Afzal> the only reason play store uses the solid color is because images aren't the same
May 23 00:11:33 <Afzal> maybe it looks better ?
May 23 00:12:27 <lasserix> if I have two lists, and i reorderd one of the lists, is there any easy to make the non-reordered list the same order as the ordered list?
May 23 00:12:36 <Odaym> red circle?
May 23 00:12:37 <Odaym> where
May 23 00:12:43 <Afzal> in the play store app
May 23 00:13:03 <Odaym> yea where is a red circle
May 23 00:13:13 <ia9371> you could make list a dictionary
May 23 00:13:36 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  Couldn't you just do a shallow copy (a copy of the references)?
May 23 00:13:37 <Afzal> awww maaaan
May 23 00:13:41 <surf2b1> lasserix: what do you mean by "same"?
May 23 00:13:45 <Afzal> we've been discussing different things all this time >_<
May 23 00:13:58 <Afzal> Odaym I'm talking about the transition in the TV section
May 23 00:14:13 <lasserix> A B C D ... D A B C i want the first list to have same order as second list
May 23 00:14:39 <Odaym> I dont know where that is
May 23 00:14:48 <Odaym> cause different country maybe
May 23 00:14:53 <Odaym> not in America here
May 23 00:14:54 <surf2b1> lasserix: maybe do a Collections.sort on the items on both lists and notifyDataSetChanged
May 23 00:15:01 <Afzal> play store > Movies & TV > TV
May 23 00:15:10 <Afzal> then click one of the shows
May 23 00:15:16 <Odaym> yea I dont have that
May 23 00:15:17 <lasserix> yeah but they requires a sort
May 23 00:15:25 <Afzal> really? I thought TV/Movies was in US
May 23 00:15:36 <Odaym> probably is
May 23 00:15:41 <Odaym> and Im not there
May 23 00:16:04 <Afzal> Odaym here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5hBViIzw5Y
May 23 00:16:36 <Odaym> ok so the color is according to category
May 23 00:16:38 <Odaym> Drama is red?
May 23 00:16:52 <Afzal> nope, TV shows is all red
May 23 00:16:57 <Odaym> ok, easy
May 23 00:17:17 <TacticalJoke> lasserix:  It's hard to answer this question without specific info.
May 23 00:17:33 <Odaym> its like running Picasso transform(new CircleTransform()) on an image, in an animation
May 23 00:18:23 <Odaym> and then another animation that increases the radius of the circle by something, in another animation that is called after hte first
May 23 00:18:25 <Odaym> playAfter()
May 23 00:18:29 <Afzal> right WHILE is being sharedElementTransitioned
May 23 00:18:39 <Afzal> the reveal part is not the problem
May 23 00:18:58 <Afzal> it's doing it in the enter/exit transition that I seem to be confused about
May 23 00:19:10 <Odaym> whats your proof that its while :P
May 23 00:19:14 <Odaym> its obviously after it..
May 23 00:19:20 <Afzal> it's not after it
May 23 00:19:37 <Odaym> rise into place > expand
May 23 00:19:38 <lasserix> TacticalJoke: i have a list. the list can be updated by pinging a server. in the meantime a user can a) reorder the list b) remove the list. What's the best way to make sure the latest list sequence is current if the request is using the old data?
May 23 00:19:43 <Afzal> the activity is fading and the shared element is being animated
May 23 00:19:52 <ResidentBiscuit> When creating a textChangedListener on a EditText within a DialogFragment, is it best to build this listener in the onCreateDialog method?
May 23 00:20:00 <Odaym> pretty sure they rolled their own
May 23 00:20:20 <Odaym> I wouldnt throw all this on something that htey provide
May 23 00:20:20 <Afzal> pretty sure it's still sharedElementTransition, the transition itself is definitely custom though
May 23 00:20:22 <Afzal> I know that
May 23 00:20:29 <lasserix> anyways i think i got it, fairly niave but whatever
May 23 00:20:48 <pfn> hmm, what a fucker, stupid mod didn't like my promo post on /r/Android
May 23 00:20:59 <Afzal> lol
May 23 00:21:20 <Odaym> well Im off
May 23 00:21:21 <Odaym> gn
May 23 00:21:45 <Afzal> night
May 23 00:22:01 <Afzal> i'm gonna look through Play Store's code for this
May 23 00:23:41 <TacticalJoke> ResidentBiscuit:  Yes.
May 23 00:23:56 <TacticalJoke> ResidentBiscuit:  I'd use a named inner class, not an anonymous inner class, though.
May 23 00:30:06 <ResidentBiscuit> TacticalJoke: Why do you say that?
May 23 00:34:40 <g00s_> i guess i missed this (quick) http://www.androidauthority.com/art-optimizing-compiler-605011/
May 23 00:35:57 <g00s_> i dont understand why compilation is going on the device though
May 23 00:42:03 <g00s_> pfn did you meet guideline #4 ?
May 23 00:42:09 <TacticalJoke> ResidentBiscuit:  For readabillity.
May 23 00:42:45 <pfn> I've had my reddit account for over a year, I've made occasional comments, no posts
May 23 00:43:01 <ResidentBiscuit> TacticalJoke: Good point. I hit a snag with what I was doing, I'm just gonna come back to it later. I realized the button I was wanting to access wouldn't be available at that time
May 23 00:43:56 <TacticalJoke> This is really good: http://touchpianist.com/
May 23 00:44:04 <TacticalJoke> Though some of the pieces are easier to play on an actual piano.  :D
May 23 00:44:24 <TacticalJoke> ResidentBiscuit:  You sometimes have to assign it to a field from onCreateDialog.
May 23 00:45:35 <lasserix> adios
May 23 00:48:07 <icedp> g00s_: probably because bytecode format changes (Dalvik/Art) or maybe even between each version. So you don't have to compiler your apk for every change. Also performance will improve even for old apks
May 23 00:50:50 <happyowl> Hey guys, where should I store bearer tokens? Is SharedPreferences a bad idea?
May 23 01:04:48 <g00s_> well folks, i'm hoping this time next week i'm using lambdas :)
May 23 01:05:41 <pfn> why?
May 23 01:05:44 <pfn> oh, IO? yeah, no
May 23 01:05:54 <g00s_> yeah i doubt it too heh
May 23 01:08:45 <g00s_> ConcurrentNavigableMap looks so neat, i never found an application for it though
May 23 01:14:09 <g00s_> hm, need a concurrent queue that has drain minSdk=16
May 23 01:14:18 <g00s_> well, /want/
May 23 01:31:14 <ResidentBiscuit> I'm looking at ArrayAdapter.getView, when will convertView be non-null?
May 23 01:32:30 <TacticalJoke> First off, "convertView" is a bad name.  It should be "recycledView" or similar.
May 23 01:32:45 <TacticalJoke> It's non-null when the AdapterView (e.g., ListView) has a recycled View available.
May 23 01:33:44 <ResidentBiscuit> What does it mean to be a recycled view?
May 23 01:33:52 <TacticalJoke> If you're showing 10 items in one screen, Adapter.getView will be called around 10 times with recycledView=null.  Then when the user scrolls down it should call it with recycledView=something most of the time.
May 23 01:35:03 <TacticalJoke> ResidentBiscuit:  Views are reused for performance reasons.  A ListView could have 1,000 items, but if only 10 are shown at one time then only (around) 10 actual Views will be created.  (Creating 1,000 Views would be hugely wasteful.)
May 23 01:35:20 <ResidentBiscuit> Oooh, this makes a lot of sense
May 23 01:35:59 <ResidentBiscuit> So when creating my own ArrayAdapter, I definitely want to handle the case when convertView != null
May 23 01:36:19 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, you should reuse the recycled view whenever possible.
May 23 01:37:31 <TacticalJoke> Actually, that could be simplified to "reuse it always".
May 23 01:38:03 <ResidentBiscuit> By reuse, I get the feeling it'll end up being handled the same way as if it were null
May 23 01:38:17 <ResidentBiscuit> Er, well I guess not
May 23 01:38:21 <ResidentBiscuit> I wouldnt have to inflate right?
May 23 01:38:25 <TacticalJoke> Right.
May 23 01:38:43 <TacticalJoke> The idea is to avoid creating a new View (by XML inflation or by normal code).
May 23 01:38:46 <ResidentBiscuit> So if it's non-null, I just change whatever I need on the view and return it
May 23 01:38:52 <TacticalJoke> Exactly.
May 23 01:39:00 <ResidentBiscuit> This is cool, thank you so much
May 23 01:40:15 <ResidentBiscuit> Does Android handle the amount of list items actually created automatically, or is there some way to tweak it?
May 23 01:40:34 <groxx> it'll only make as many as are necessary to fit on screen
May 23 01:40:40 <TacticalJoke> Android handles the number of Views.
May 23 01:40:53 <ResidentBiscuit> Ok cool, so let it be smarter than me
May 23 01:50:50 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, seems I'd have to post on /r/Android in advance if I wanted to post about my app there on release.
May 23 01:51:09 <TacticalJoke> That subreddit is so boring, though.
May 23 01:51:45 <TacticalJoke> Gossip about whether some notepad app is gonna get material design.  Ugh...
May 23 02:01:05 <pfn> yeah, fuck /r/Android
May 23 02:03:04 <g00s_> yeah looks pretty lame
May 23 02:03:56 <g00s_> "Flashable xposed framework available for deodexed Touchwiz ROMs " i give 0 shits
May 23 02:04:55 <pfn> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hanhuy.android.keepshare.lite
May 23 02:05:18 <pfn> just wanted to promote my completely free shit
May 23 02:05:25 <pfn> no ads, nothing
May 23 02:06:10 <pfn> 1 post and a mod silently ignored me, what a prick
May 23 02:18:11 <njcomsec> there should be a place people can freely post ads to their games/apps. and users can vote for good/legit ones
May 23 02:18:51 <Leeds> it'd just get flooded with spam
May 23 02:19:11 <njcomsec> the spam ones wouldnt get votes, so would be badly ranked
May 23 02:20:37 <Leeds> firstly, the spam ones would just flood out everything else
May 23 02:20:49 <Leeds> secondly, spammers are perfectly happy to buy votes
May 23 02:21:20 <njcomsec> yeh true.. i guess it would need lots of moderation
May 23 02:22:49 <TacticalJoke> Someone suggested something similar in /r/androiddev tonight: http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/36xjrx/the_new_play_store/
May 23 02:22:56 <TacticalJoke> But I doubt it'll take off.
May 23 02:23:09 <TacticalJoke> There is /r/androidapps, but I dunno what the rules are regarding self-promotion.
May 23 02:23:40 <Leeds> what would always have been nice would be if the play store had an API which would allow people to curate on top of it without having to scrape
May 23 02:23:50 <TacticalJoke> "Your account must be 4 weeks old to make a submission" is all I'm seeing on the front page of /r/androidapps.
May 23 02:24:02 <njcomsec> yeh the play store could use more search options
May 23 02:24:09 <njcomsec> it sucks compared to steam
May 23 02:24:32 <Leeds> it's orders of magnitude bigger than steam, I'd think
May 23 02:25:27 <g00s_> njcomsec there is, its called Play
May 23 02:25:44 <usgrant> neither app store is particularly good for app discovery
May 23 02:26:11 <g00s_> one would think, being a search company, el goog would have nailed that one
May 23 02:26:24 <njcomsec> play search is very limited imo
May 23 02:26:43 <gpyh> hi
May 23 02:26:45 <usgrant> swing and a miss from el goog
May 23 02:27:13 <usgrant> neither company, though, comes remotely close to how bad amazon is for product discovery
May 23 02:28:27 <gpyh> I looking for advice on good practice: I need global state to schedule business logic ; I've done this in a subclass of App that I reach with a static getInstance(). Should I instead use getApplication() in my Activites and cast it to my subclass?
May 23 02:28:58 <g00s_> they did add this recently, probably lost on most devs http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.ca/2015/04/drive-app-installs-through-app-indexing.html
May 23 02:28:59 <gpyh> In general both Singletons and casting are to be taken with caution, but I can't should which is the lesser evil ; any piece of advice? thanks in advance
May 23 02:29:26 <gpyh> s/should/choose
May 23 02:31:24 <TacticalJoke> gpyh:  The `getApplication()` route doesn't really gives you anything.  I think it's either statics (singleton pattern or otherwise) or DI frameworks (such as Dagger).
May 23 02:31:46 <usgrant> yeah i don’t think the singleton pattern is wrong her
May 23 02:33:49 <gpyh> TacticalJoke: thanks. Could you expand on why doing (CustomApp) getApplication() doesn't help?
May 23 02:34:18 <usgrant> you don’t really gain anything
May 23 02:35:01 <TacticalJoke> The Application subclass is effectively a singleton.  It's practically the same semantics with more ugly syntax.
May 23 02:35:17 <gpyh> ok, thanks a lot
May 23 02:35:38 <pfn> it's only any good if you want a singleton context
May 23 02:35:55 <pfn> don't use it to store other global state
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