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May 25 03:00:08 <g00s> well in this case, the java framework and much of userland; not the kernel stuff obviously
May 25 03:00:26 <groxx> aah.  though then the google services crap would be like 10x bigger :)
May 25 03:02:44 <Jonno_FTW> I need an icon that indicates that a HID device is changing
May 25 03:02:53 <Jonno_FTW> which Icon should I use from the material icons?
May 25 03:04:26 <Jonno_FTW> and why isn't there an easy way to copy from the zip to my android project?
May 25 03:13:14 <pfn> drag and drop
May 25 03:13:20 <pfn> what else could you want
May 25 03:13:23 <badCompany> pfn do you use fragments
May 25 03:13:30 <pfn> anything else would be over engineered
May 25 03:13:33 <pfn> badCompany, yes
May 25 03:13:39 <Jonno_FTW> pfn: each subfolder has every other icon, I only want 1 icon
May 25 03:13:44 <pfn> random question much?
May 25 03:13:51 <Jonno_FTW> it's not like the android-design icons
May 25 03:13:51 <badCompany> For anything besdes sliding tabs?
May 25 03:13:51 <pfn> Jonno_FTW, then just copy the 1
May 25 03:13:59 <pfn> badCompany, yes
May 25 03:14:02 <Jonno_FTW> pfn: butI need all the different sizes
May 25 03:14:09 <pfn> Jonno_FTW, so copy them
May 25 03:14:11 <Jonno_FTW> so I have to do 5 copies for every icon I want
May 25 03:14:14 <badCompany> Ok, im trying to change one of my activities to a fragment and its giving me a hassle
May 25 03:14:22 <Jonno_FTW> it takes time, I'm going to write a python script to do this for me
May 25 03:14:32 <pfn> Jonno_FTW, I only copy mdpi, hdpi and xhdpi
May 25 03:14:46 <pfn> for 1 icon?
May 25 03:14:49 <pfn> not worth
May 25 03:15:06 <Jonno_FTW> I might want more icons later
May 25 03:16:03 <badCompany> Odaym you ther?
May 25 03:16:07 <badCompany> Nope
May 25 03:16:11 <g00s> daym
May 25 03:16:21 <badCompany> lol
May 25 03:17:01 <badCompany> Trying to figure out if a piece of my app should be a fragment or an activity
May 25 03:18:47 <g00s> flip a coin
May 25 03:18:57 <badCompany> its that simple?
May 25 03:19:14 <g00s> well not really, but :)
May 25 03:19:37 <g00s> its like asking, should i edit this file with emacs or vim ?
May 25 03:19:43 <badCompany> Really
May 25 03:19:44 <badCompany> Hm
May 25 03:19:55 <badCompany> Can i tell you what the functionality is and you give me advice?
May 25 03:20:05 <TacticalJoke> Live life à la Dice Man.
May 25 03:20:08 <badCompany> Hey TJ
May 25 03:20:12 <badCompany> Whats tht mean
May 25 03:20:42 <TacticalJoke> The Dice Man lives by the casting of dice.
May 25 03:20:49 <TacticalJoke> If he rolls a 3, he commits murder.
May 25 03:20:49 <badCompany> Oh ok
May 25 03:20:52 <badCompany> hahaha
May 25 03:20:56 <TacticalJoke> A 6, he takes a walk in the park.
May 25 03:21:27 <TacticalJoke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dice_Man
May 25 03:21:31 <badCompany> Got it
May 25 03:21:53 <badCompany> Looks cool actually
May 25 03:22:35 <badCompany> But, I have a basic actiivty that collects 3 peices of user input, then goes back to the parent activity
May 25 03:22:46 <badCompany> And I thought it would be a good candidate to convert to a fragment
May 25 03:22:51 <badCompany> But as a fragment, its giving me HELL
May 25 03:26:49 <Leeds> g00s: there's an easy answer to that
May 25 03:27:02 <g00s> badCompany 3 pieces of input, like 3 screens of a wizard or something ?
May 25 03:27:40 <badCompany> No, 2 edittexts and a clickable imageview which brings up an intent to use camera to capture a photo
May 25 03:27:49 <badCompany> the camera part is giving me the hassle
May 25 03:28:04 <badCompany> I think it would be better if I used a seperate activity for it
May 25 03:28:46 <TacticalJoke> Isn't a different activity required to start the camera?
May 25 03:29:03 <badCompany> I just use an intent from the fragment
May 25 03:29:30 <badCompany> Intent(MediaStore.ACTION_IMAGE_CAPTURE)
May 25 03:31:54 <badCompany> But the screen rotates when the camera app launches
May 25 03:32:07 <badCompany> So that starts a new actiivity, which nullifies everything
May 25 03:32:09 <badCompany> so I cant get the image
May 25 03:35:33 <TacticalJoke> Don't you still get onActivityResult?
May 25 03:36:11 <badCompany> Yeah, but it doesnt contain anything cause the fragment is brand new
May 25 03:36:23 <badCompany> And the intent hasent even been called yet, according to the new fragment
May 25 03:36:45 <badCompany> It works once, then the new fragment and shown and it looks like nothing happend
May 25 03:38:00 <badCompany> onActivityResult is called, then the new fragment is created
May 25 03:38:19 <badCompany> I think I need to use savedInstance to store the items
May 25 03:47:01 <badCompany> freakin finally :D
May 25 03:50:28 <TacticalJoke> finally { celebrate(); }
May 25 03:50:50 <shmooz> nooooo!
May 25 03:50:59 <shmooz> you don't need no stinkin fragment
May 25 03:51:04 <badCompany> hahah what?
May 25 03:51:20 <shmooz> you heard me
May 25 03:51:25 <TacticalJoke> shmooz has spoken.
May 25 03:51:32 <badCompany> how come shmooz
May 25 03:51:44 <shmooz> cause they stink
May 25 03:52:19 <badCompany> yeah, it has been confusing
May 25 03:52:35 <badCompany> But its such a simple piece of functionality I thought i'd give it a shot
May 25 03:53:19 <TacticalJoke> If it ain't broke, keep fixing it till it is. :D
May 25 03:53:27 <badCompany> literally
May 25 04:01:02 <shmooz> I'm going to make a game where the players have to develop an android app, and then I sell the apps on the playstore ;P
May 25 04:03:30 <badCompany> Why hasent anyone else thought of that
May 25 04:05:00 <pfn> I actually want to merge all the keepshare screens into a single screen with fragments
May 25 04:05:01 <shmooz> sortof like AIDE , but connects to a remote Android Studio or whatever, compiles remotely and sends back the .apk
May 25 04:05:32 <badCompany> thatd be sick shmooz
May 25 04:05:40 <badCompany> But idk if I could code on my phone
May 25 04:05:45 <pfn> single activity
May 25 04:06:21 <shmooz> badCompany: if I make you believe it's a game you will ;)
May 25 04:06:34 <badCompany> I wanna go in on this with you
May 25 04:07:11 <shmooz> anyone else ?
May 25 04:07:32 <shmooz> ok you're in !
May 25 04:07:59 <badCompany> word
May 25 04:08:38 <liuwenhao> shmooz that's an amazing idea
May 25 04:08:54 <liuwenhao> make sure the EULA is thousands of paragraphs long
May 25 04:09:02 <liuwenhao> so that the users have no idea
May 25 04:09:18 <shmooz> you have to beat the monster boss that is google's hodge podge of garbage called android LOL
May 25 04:10:16 <shmooz> there are obstacles that get in your way and you have to find the keys to unlock them by finding information
May 25 04:11:20 <badCompany> So can I upload files to server with picasso?
May 25 04:11:36 <badCompany> Looks like it only caches
May 25 04:12:07 <badCompany> and downloades
May 25 04:20:10 <shmooz> I never used picasso, I'm thinking about it, to solve my OutOfMemoryException problem when parsing album art from audio files
May 25 04:22:41 <g00s> shmooz that should be a game, wack-a-oom
May 25 04:22:53 <shmooz> probably won't use it, I'm stubborn not to use libs
May 25 04:22:59 <badCompany> no libs at all?
May 25 04:23:35 <shmooz> I only have one AACPlayer lib for playing shoutcast AAC streams
May 25 04:23:52 <badCompany> How come you dont like to use libs?
May 25 04:24:22 <shmooz> I will add ExoPlayer and ffmpeg soon , right now it's just MediaPlayer and AACPlayer and VideoView
May 25 04:25:17 <shmooz> badCompany: because I'm new, and I like to see the problems in the raw way of doing things first
May 25 04:25:20 <groxx> anyone know why canvas.drawRoundRect is unbelievably hideous?
May 25 04:25:32 <badCompany> makes sense shmooz
May 25 04:26:01 <g00s> groxx because ... android ? ba-dum
May 25 04:26:20 <groxx> apparently :|  RoundRectShape looks fine, but the corners on drawRoundRect... Dx
May 25 04:28:22 <badCompany> so right now im taking a photo and working with the bitmap thumbnail in onActivityResult
May 25 04:28:27 <badCompany> But I want to get the full size image
May 25 04:28:42 <badCompany> I can get the file and then convert that to bitmap, correct?
May 25 04:28:55 <badCompany> Then ill be left with a full size image, a bitmap, and the file
May 25 04:29:24 <shmooz> yes but you have to be careful with mem usage
May 25 04:30:24 <shmooz> watch out for those OutOfMemoryExceptions ;)
May 25 04:30:31 <badCompany> Those are killer shmooz :P
May 25 04:32:06 <shmooz> yeah it's one ugly ogre in my way, I need a magic spell
May 25 04:32:28 <badCompany> Shrink the imageds
May 25 04:32:30 <badCompany> images*
May 25 04:33:35 <groxx> g00s: seriously, look at this thing: http://cl.ly/image/330L3L2x1d0i
May 25 04:33:55 <g00s> huh i wonder, if mvstore would be used to manage a bunch of bitmaps; you can tell it to allocate its store on non-jvm heap
May 25 04:34:19 <g00s> key = whatever, value = byte[] store=off heap
May 25 04:34:29 <shmooz> yes, downsample , resize/scale, load in smaller chunks
May 25 04:35:34 <g00s> groxx hm, corners look thicker
May 25 04:35:59 <groxx> yeah.  and like they got a military haircut or something.  the outer edges go straight for way too long.
May 25 04:36:04 <g00s> groxx they are making it hard to create apple-ish icons :)
May 25 04:37:10 <shmooz> capella-s3: why are my firefox tabs now flickering with lots of Connecting ... info , when loading the page. ot
May 25 04:37:24 <shmooz> it's making me think my browser's being hijacked
May 25 04:37:43 <g00s> my chrome had a problem too
May 25 04:38:51 <capella> shmooz: not sure (?) I'm on *nix nightly / 41.01a and I don't see anything :/
May 25 04:40:41 <shmooz> capella: seems like a new feature, I'm on win7 , it's very distracting to have the tabs flicker like that
May 25 04:41:33 <capella> what version #? You might try under general settings / preferences to disable e10s / "multi-process"
May 25 04:42:55 <shmooz> not sure, but it always auto updates
May 25 04:43:12 <capella> and then just for yucks disable all addons if it's still occurring
May 25 04:43:51 <shmooz> oh great they migrated the options into a webpage now
May 25 04:45:19 <capella> Yah - I like that ... didn't @ first
May 25 04:45:39 <capella> no more modal dialog box
May 25 04:46:16 <capella> so you're a release or two behind me :/
May 25 04:47:55 <shmooz> I should have written my own browser
May 25 04:48:17 <shmooz> ff is now horrible imo
May 25 04:48:28 <groxx> g00s: bah.  my derp.  half the line is clipped by the view boundaries.
May 25 04:49:58 * g00s deploys fizzgig in groxx 's general direction
May 25 04:53:48 <capella> shmooz: what version FF did you say?
May 25 04:54:27 <shmooz> lol I can't even find how to check
May 25 04:54:41 <shmooz> this options in the webpage thing is even more annoying
May 25 04:55:06 <capella> You should still have main menu Help -> About
May 25 04:55:06 <shmooz> and they rearranged everything so I'm trying to look at this without throwing up
May 25 04:55:29 <g00s> shmooz did you install the nobarf plugin ?
May 25 04:55:39 <capella> Oh, that's critical!
May 25 04:55:47 <shmooz> 38.0.1
May 25 04:56:02 <capella> k - gonna bounce to my Win partition
May 25 04:56:15 <shmooz> no all I have is NoScript AdBlock Lite and DownloadHelper
May 25 04:57:42 <shmooz> it's like AOL bought firefox or something, what's going on
May 25 04:57:53 <shmooz> did they fire the CEO ?
May 25 05:00:54 <g00s> capella-s3 i sincerely hope, when i update to FF 39 + e10, that the things actually starts up at all
May 25 05:01:04 <g00s> because my session has like 120 tabs
May 25 05:01:13 <capella> well that took a minute
May 25 05:01:19 <g00s> and if those suckers all spin processes, its not going to end well
May 25 05:01:32 <shmooz> when the tab was flickering I thought some trojan had taken over and was making my browser DDOS attack the site
May 25 05:02:20 <g00s> lol, noscript is blocking the ff preferences page JS
May 25 05:02:29 <capella> holy crap my Win FF is 9 releases back .... heh ... stupid unused OS partition
May 25 05:02:34 * g00s shuts down FF, will try again @ 39
May 25 05:02:59 <capella> disable e10s to make your addons work properly
May 25 05:03:23 <g00s> capella we both have 38 -
May 25 05:03:29 <g00s> there is no e10
May 25 05:03:29 <shmooz> what are e10s ?
May 25 05:03:45 <g00s> capella is like 4 releases ahead on nightlies
May 25 05:03:46 <capella> me too now - and on Win ... testing ...
May 25 05:04:24 <capella> oh ah, ver 38 doesn't yet have e10s / multi process
May 25 05:04:48 <capella> not sure what else could be screwed up ... seems ok on mine
May 25 05:04:55 <shmooz> well that's the latest OTA version for me
May 25 05:05:06 <shmooz> 38.0.1
May 25 05:06:14 <capella> yep same here
May 25 05:06:43 <shmooz> are your tabs freaking out too ?
May 25 05:07:09 <capella> no ... tabs are ok ... suppose it's ok to be a little off-topic on the long weekend ... but him me in pm if you worry
May 25 05:07:37 <g00s> shmooz are they blinking 'N S A' in morse code ?
May 25 05:08:05 <capella> if it's NSA, it;s probably dotdotdot dashdashdash dotdotdot
May 25 05:08:26 <shmooz> yes but the chinese NSA
May 25 05:08:28 <capella> cause it screaming for help as wel strandle that beast :)
May 25 05:08:48 <capella> Ron Paul get my vote
May 25 05:09:33 <shmooz> you mean Rand ?
May 25 05:09:37 <shmooz> Ron is his dad
May 25 05:10:50 <capella> er, correct
May 25 05:11:01 <capella> not Ron, yes Rand
May 25 05:11:46 <capella> I just openned 40 tabs at the same time, and all seems well to me
May 25 05:12:27 <capella> Did you disable all your addons and retry? Also you might restart in safe-mode, basically try with a new profile
May 25 05:15:46 <shmooz> yes
May 25 05:16:11 <capella> odd
May 25 05:17:18 <g00s> i just wach sanders own rand paul again a few minutes ago
May 25 05:17:30 * bhans slaps capella around a bit with a large trout
May 25 05:17:34 <capella> bernie sanders is a nut
May 25 05:17:39 <capella> he owns nothing
May 25 05:18:06 <g00s> sanders, franken, and rand were debating and he got is ass kicked
May 25 05:18:24 <capella> I seriously doubt it
May 25 05:18:46 <samB__> Is there a way to post my games on forums without sounding like spam?
May 25 05:18:50 <samB__> It could leave a bad impression if my first post is ‘hey check out my app!’
May 25 05:18:59 <samB__> rather than being a regular contributer to that particular forum
May 25 05:19:08 <capella> Carzy Uncle Bernie ... heh - every watch him yell "get off my lawn" on the Senate floor?
May 25 05:19:49 <g00s> https://youtu.be/wYgVglm2xFY
May 25 05:19:51 <shmooz> thank god I stopped watching politics
May 25 05:19:56 <g00s> one person here sounds like an idiot
May 25 05:20:03 <g00s> and its not sanders :)
May 25 05:20:17 <capella> mmm hmmm
May 25 05:24:55 <shmooz> you see the bottom line is, how much money they can save for their masters
May 25 05:25:49 <shmooz> that's what both sides brag about doing, saving money
May 25 05:25:57 <capella> I see Sanders point as "How much more to spend?" is "more"
May 25 05:26:48 <shmooz> the end goal shouldn't be saving money
May 25 05:27:09 <capella> heh - nor should it be spending for the sake of spending
May 25 05:27:21 <capella> money doesn't fix everything
May 25 05:28:12 <capella> Ah well, interesting campaign ad for Sanders
May 25 05:28:55 <in_deep_thought> how do I know in my project gradle file, what the version of my gradle should be? like         classpath 'com.android.tools.build:gradle:0.14.2'
May 25 05:29:02 <in_deep_thought> that seems pretty outdated
May 25 05:29:15 <in_deep_thought> ive heard the most recent version is like 1.4?
May 25 05:29:22 <Balrod`> gatta reboot, brb.
May 25 05:33:35 <dasqueel> I am making a drag and drop app that ranks items.  I am using DragSortListView library and I would like to get an array for the re-arranged ranked items.  I know I am suppose to use to getCursorPositions() method however I dont know to implement the DragSortCursorAdapter.
May 25 05:34:01 <dasqueel> Anybody familiar with the DragSortListView library?
May 25 05:34:47 <bhans> いいえ。
May 25 05:35:23 <capella-s3> shmooz so I'm out of ideas other than reinstall or try the developer version :/
May 25 05:37:02 <capella-s3> ... can't repro...
May 25 05:37:13 <shmooz> capella-s3: it's ok I'll figure it out eventually
May 25 05:38:06 <shmooz> capella-s3: thanks for helping me realize it's just a glitch and not a feature
May 25 05:38:23 <capella-s3> :) Hate to lose "customers"
May 25 05:51:38 <g00s> https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/
May 25 05:51:46 <g00s> shmooz you'll like that i think :)
May 25 05:57:35 <shmooz> they are pretending to be on the side of privacy, while getting their backs patted by their owners ;)
May 25 05:59:15 <shmooz> by the time we find the hidden backdoors they built for the spying agencies , it's already history
May 25 06:00:13 <g00s> hm, dunno about google but tim cook is pretty hardline for privacy & not sharing data
May 25 06:00:17 <capella-s3> and they meet in private apparently so they can speak freely... to each other that is... see "chatham house rule"
May 25 06:00:50 * bhans slaps arnotixe around a bit with a large trout
May 25 06:01:32 * arnotixe wonder if a salmon would be better.
May 25 06:01:51 <g00s> any fish off santa barbara will do
May 25 06:02:03 * bhans slaps g00s around a bit with a large trout
May 25 06:02:23 <shmooz> g00s: that sounds desperate
May 25 06:02:49 <g00s> yeah the fish off santa barbara are desperate ....
May 25 06:04:27 <shmooz> g00s: are you making an app ?
May 25 06:04:39 <g00s> yeah
May 25 06:05:02 <shmooz> it was bluetooth something, what will it do ?
May 25 06:05:16 <g00s> it streams weather data from BT devices, yeah
May 25 06:06:38 <shmooz> I haven't even started thinking about BT yet for my app, I feel I shouldn't have to think about it
May 25 06:06:56 <g00s> ble or rfcomm ?
May 25 06:07:09 <shmooz> you just pair your phone and it plays on the bt speakers fine, what else is there ?
May 25 06:07:23 <g00s> oh, no idea about that profile
May 25 06:10:12 <Jonno_FTW> pfn: I went through and made the script: https://github.com/JonnoFTW/Material-Design-Copier
May 25 06:15:49 <surf2b1> Jonno_FTW: Have you seen this: http://materialdesignicons.com/ ?
May 25 06:16:26 <surf2b1> the zip has all the correct sizes plus a vector-drawable
May 25 06:17:00 * surf2b1 really hopes they backport VectorDrawable soon
May 25 06:17:39 * bhans slaps surf2b1 around a bit with a large trout
May 25 06:18:07 * surf2b1 is stunned
May 25 06:21:43 <g00s> haha that would be great at I/O "we're announcing that Eclipse + ADT will again be the official dev tools for Android"
May 25 06:30:09 <TacticalJoke> lol
May 25 06:30:36 <g00s> we're pleased to announce HoloMaterial
May 25 06:40:10 <surf2b1> AppCompat = HoloMaterial
May 25 06:54:25 <dynmeth> anyone suggest 'best practice' when it comes to storing api key/secret in your app?
May 25 06:56:25 <wakelock> store it with care
May 25 06:59:30 <DadFoundMy> woo published second app
May 25 06:59:35 <DadFoundMy> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.dylanredfield.fourdigits
May 25 07:00:07 <phix> woooo!
May 25 07:00:12 <phix> Can I install it?
May 25 07:00:20 <DadFoundMy> no your not allowed :D
May 25 07:00:25 <DadFoundMy> /s
May 25 07:00:37 <phix> :(
May 25 07:00:48 <DadFoundMy> oh god my screenshot has 69 on it
May 25 07:00:53 <DadFoundMy> i didnt even realize
May 25 07:01:12 * phix rates the app 1 with a comment "cause the developer said I couldn't install it :("
May 25 07:01:15 <phix> :P
May 25 07:01:42 <DadFoundMy> shit i knew it would come back to haunt me :/
May 25 07:01:47 <phix> :)
May 25 07:01:53 <DadFoundMy> i think if you did download it, which i hope you do, you would be the first one
May 25 07:02:01 <wakelock> ha, I bet there's no real reason for minSdk = 11
May 25 07:02:25 <DadFoundMy> wakelock: probably not but why not have it if i dont use anything that requires 22?
May 25 07:02:59 <wakelock> lol
May 25 07:03:08 <wakelock> I meant it would probably do just fine on 10
May 25 07:03:09 <DadFoundMy> i think the iphone version my friend published a couple weeks ago has about 1000 downloads so hopefully i get a couple
May 25 07:03:14 <DadFoundMy> wakelock: oh, oops
May 25 07:03:27 <DadFoundMy> is 10 2.3.3?
May 25 07:03:59 <wakelock> 2.3.3 - 2.3.7
May 25 07:04:31 <phix> wakeLock = ((PowerManager)getSystemService(Context.POWER_SERVICE)).newWakeLock(PowerManager.SCREEN_DIM_WAKE_LOCK, TAG);
May 25 07:04:52 <phix> wakelock: You are deprecated now!
May 25 07:04:54 <SimonVT> minsdk 16, don't start supporting 2.x at this point
May 25 07:05:24 <DadFoundMy> SimonVT: i agree there is no reason to and i woke go out of my way to support <16 but if i can might as well
May 25 07:05:45 <g00s> DadFoundMy its a matter of increasing your bug exposure
May 25 07:05:45 <Jonno_FTW> surf2b1: no I was not aware of this
May 25 07:05:46 <TacticalJoke> It's easier to lower minSdkVersion later than raise it.
May 25 07:05:50 <TacticalJoke> Don't start low.
May 25 07:05:54 <SimonVT> No, because then you have to keep supporting it
May 25 07:05:59 <TacticalJoke> You'll just be shutting out users if you raise.
May 25 07:06:02 <wakelock> there's no reason to demand API you're not even using.
May 25 07:06:06 <SimonVT> Rather just not do it at all
May 25 07:06:10 <DadFoundMy> g00s: oo good point
May 25 07:06:25 <phix> wakelock: what should I use instead'?
May 25 07:06:44 <wakelock> whatever is the minimum that you need
May 25 07:06:49 <wakelock> that's why it's called minsdk
May 25 07:07:06 <phix> wakelock: instead of wakelock cause apparantly it is deprecated
May 25 07:07:08 <wakelock> if you really *actually* require features of a certain API, then by all means use it
May 25 07:07:16 <wakelock> oh
May 25 07:07:22 <wakelock> um how would I know?
May 25 07:07:32 <wakelock> also, deprecated doesn't mean you are not allowed to use it
May 25 07:07:46 <wakelock> plus, docs usually say why it's deprecated and what to do instead
May 25 07:07:59 <Mavrik-> minsdk 16? O.o
May 25 07:08:17 <SimonVT> Even if you can get by with supporting api4, it'd be stupid to do it at this point. Same with <16 imo
May 25 07:08:52 <wakelock> so even ICS is deprecated? lol
May 25 07:09:09 <SimonVT> There are more GB than ICS devices
May 25 07:09:18 <SimonVT> Both are pointless
May 25 07:09:52 <Mavrik> Right.
May 25 07:10:08 <Mavrik> There's also less of 16 than it's of GB
May 25 07:10:16 <Mavrik> And less of 17 than it's GB
May 25 07:10:23 <Mavrik> So fuck all those users and exclude 40% of population!
May 25 07:10:23 <wakelock> because GB is standing strong!
May 25 07:10:37 <Mavrik> *facepalm*
May 25 07:11:05 <SimonVT> There's three times at many on 16 as there is on 10
May 25 07:11:06 <surf2b1> DadFoundMy: your decompiled app is ready: https://filetea.me/t1snptJsPp9RFy8FXBRKgQQNA :P
May 25 07:11:08 <wakelock> there's probably less 22 than GB too
May 25 07:11:11 <SimonVT> *facepalm*
May 25 07:12:04 <Mavrik> SimonVT, not according to my stats.
May 25 07:12:42 <Mavrik> So you must be wrong, my truth and usecase is the only truth!
May 25 07:12:46 <SimonVT> Because your apps are representative of all apps across the world
May 25 07:12:57 <Mavrik> SimonVT, indeed :)
May 25 07:13:13 <Mavrik> Do we get the hypocrisy of telling someone else what to drop? :)
May 25 07:13:20 <SimonVT> 100% of devices in my household are lollipop, minsdk 22
May 25 07:13:49 <g00s> JellyBean is the new Gingerbread
May 25 07:14:05 <wakelock> I prefer pastries
May 25 07:14:17 <g00s> wakelock prefers ravioli
May 25 07:14:48 <wakelock> that too
May 25 07:14:55 <wakelock> jellybeans are for kids
May 25 07:16:43 <DadFoundMy> lolipops are for, well... adults?
May 25 07:17:47 <g00s> macadamia nut cookies are one of my favorites though
May 25 07:19:06 <wakelock> DadFoundMy, you perv
May 25 07:19:49 <surf2b1> what Theme does context.getApplicationContext().getTheme() return? I don't think it is the theme I specify in the AndroidManifest
May 25 07:22:19 <Mavrik> in which part of manifest?
May 25 07:23:17 <surf2b1> Mavrik: application tag
May 25 07:23:32 <wakelock> what's it return?
May 25 07:24:51 <Mavrik> hmm, interesting.
May 25 07:25:39 <surf2b1> it returns some theme. I am trying to get a bunch of values from android.R.attr or R.attr if the theme is appcompat. If I use application context it doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/DMUsNzxY (last method)
May 25 07:27:20 <surf2b1> if I use activity context it works. my theme in the application tag has values for colorPrimary so I would think it would get the attribute.
May 25 07:28:20 <SimonVT> Why not just use the activity context tho? You never know where the theme for an activity is set
May 25 07:29:38 <surf2b1> SimonVT: attempting to write a library that themes any view dynamically. So it first gets all the values you set in your theme and then later you can change it. I want it to work across multiple activities which might not be AppCompat
May 25 07:30:42 <SimonVT> You might have multiple themes
May 25 07:31:38 <wakelock> indeed, you should work with one activity at a time
May 25 07:31:46 <surf2b1> true.. basically I want a way to get and set primary and accent colors dynamically.
May 25 07:31:57 <surf2b1> and application wide
May 25 07:32:43 <thepoosh> g00s: !!!
May 25 07:32:59 <g00s> hey thepoosh :)
May 25 07:33:24 <g00s> thepoosh your cto was right, about i/o IoT (Brillo)
May 25 07:33:35 <g00s> or ceo
May 25 07:33:37 <thepoosh> ?!
May 25 07:33:43 <thepoosh> oh
May 25 07:33:44 <thepoosh> yeah
May 25 07:33:59 <thepoosh> he's been at google HQ a lot in the past few months
May 25 07:34:24 <g00s> thepoosh what does he do there ?
May 25 07:34:28 <SimonVT> surf2b1: Sounds like you need to set it per activity anyway (since application theme values might be overridden)
May 25 07:34:33 <thepoosh> mostely meetings
May 25 07:34:43 <g00s> i should do that too
May 25 07:34:46 <thepoosh> is it possible that setting FLAG_NEW_TASK on an intent when there is an already running Activity will not pass in the new extras to the Activity?
May 25 07:34:53 <g00s> i'm going to shcedule a meeting with mr burke
May 25 07:35:47 <thepoosh> g00s: i don't think he met with him
May 25 07:35:57 <thepoosh> mostly product people
May 25 07:36:51 <wakelock> hullo google, I'm here to apply for attending meetings. yours truly, g00s
May 25 07:37:15 <g00s> :)
May 25 07:37:21 <g00s> conference call with #androiddev
May 25 07:45:00 <samB__> I was thinking about buying so ads for my app but the earliest I can get is about 9 days from now - by then I’d imagine it would be too late right?
May 25 07:45:18 <samB__> Its not really getting noticed at the moment
May 25 07:47:22 <g00s> capella-s3 :( :( http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/05/22/1318215/ads-based-on-browsing-history-are-coming-to-all-firefox-users
May 25 07:47:54 <capella-s3> oh crap... reading
May 25 07:49:01 <TheSchaf> rip ff
May 25 07:49:41 <capella-s3> ah... this'll be in the about:newtab page
May 25 07:49:52 <capella-s3> i think
May 25 07:49:57 <g00s> http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/21/mozilla-will-roll-out-suggested-tiles-to-firefox-betas-new-tab-page-next-week/
May 25 07:50:27 <capella-s3> and most likely you can pref off in about :config
May 25 07:51:25 <wakelock> surely there's an extension to deal with that
May 25 07:51:33 <wakelock> or there will be soon enough
May 25 07:51:52 <g00s> hm, well you can turn tiles off totally but ..
May 25 07:52:04 <g00s> i used them since they had the most frequent sites
May 25 07:52:25 <g00s> unless i'm confusing tiles with something else
May 25 07:52:57 <wakelock> lol, I had tiles turned off permanently, now I turned them on just for kicks, my recently visited pages are there, plus the "firefox for android" sponsored tile
May 25 07:52:58 <samB__> Anyone here pay for app advertising? Is it worth it?
May 25 07:53:34 <wakelock> yeah I don't like tiles in general, I wish there was a way to disable all that "tracking" altogether
May 25 07:53:45 <wakelock> and I wish there was a way to disable tiles in chrome as well
May 25 07:53:58 <danijoo> morning
May 25 07:54:14 <wakelock> early riser :p
May 25 07:54:52 <wakelock> hm, wonder if there's a channel for advice on promoting your app
May 25 07:55:05 <danijoo> wakelock, 10 o'clock here :p
May 25 07:55:10 <samB__> hey danijoo
May 25 07:55:18 <wakelock> danijoo, I know :p
May 25 07:55:21 <danijoo> hey samB__
May 25 07:55:25 <danijoo> wakelock, but still early, yes :D
May 25 07:55:33 <samB__> 9am here :)
May 25 07:55:44 <wakelock> dunno, I woke up at 7:30 today
May 25 07:56:02 <danijoo> wow
May 25 07:56:16 <danijoo> thats early
May 25 07:56:26 <wakelock> it's called having an actual job ;)
May 25 07:57:01 <g00s> wakelock irc'ing on the job :)
May 25 07:57:06 <danijoo> ah well. I forgot. :p here in germany its an official holiday
May 25 07:57:30 <wakelock> here it's an official monday, so yay :p
May 25 07:57:34 <danijoo> :D
May 25 07:57:35 <wakelock> g00s, aren't we all :p
May 25 07:57:51 <samB__> danijoo: Do you ever pay for app advertising?
May 25 07:57:57 <samB__> I’m thinking about it
May 25 07:58:09 <danijoo> i did once. it was aweful
May 25 07:58:14 <danijoo> but only 50 bugs :p
May 25 07:58:38 <wakelock> wow I didn't know google accepts bugs as payment, that's pretty cool
May 25 07:58:43 <danijoo> i got like... 3 installs? from it
May 25 07:58:51 <samB__> lol
May 25 07:58:54 <samB__> Thats strange?
May 25 07:59:21 <danijoo> I think you need lots of money for ads
May 25 07:59:30 <wakelock> but those 3 installs are now generating all the revenue so it was totally worth it, right?
May 25 07:59:53 <wakelock> lots of money, or, you could have an awesome and cool app, then it will self-promote :)
May 25 07:59:54 <danijoo> wakelock, they have to see a lot of ads in my app to ear those 50$ back though :D
May 25 08:00:12 <wakelock> lol
May 25 08:00:14 <wakelock> so when was this?
May 25 08:00:30 <danijoo> ads are for finding your audience. they will never pay back on a per user basis
May 25 08:00:51 <danijoo> its about getting your audience know your app
May 25 08:01:13 <danijoo> once your app is known enough, it will self promote
May 25 08:01:20 <danijoo> wakelock, january or so
May 25 08:01:31 <wakelock> so long as the app is good though
May 25 08:01:35 <danijoo> ofc
May 25 08:01:53 <wakelock> january, hm... so... your ad campaign might pay off in, say...
May 25 08:01:56 <wakelock> 2040 :p
May 25 08:01:59 <danijoo> you could also write a virus. thats self-promoting too :p
May 25 08:02:14 <danijoo> will spread the world without ads xD
May 25 08:02:15 <wakelock> good point, I'm on it
May 25 08:04:08 <danijoo> maybe my problem also was that i clicked the ad together in like 10 minutes "to try out if ads work"
May 25 08:04:19 <danijoo> must have been the ugliest ad ever seen
May 25 08:04:55 * bhans slaps danijoo around a bit with a large trout
May 25 08:05:40 <danijoo> im not into that kind of stuff bhans
May 25 08:06:02 <bhans> me neither
May 25 08:06:16 <wakelock> you'd fool me...
May 25 08:06:38 <bhans> me too...
May 25 08:06:49 <wakelock> danijoo, should've added some cat videos
May 25 08:06:51 <samB__> danijoo: After 7 days would it be too late to promote a dead app?
May 25 08:07:11 <wakelock> samB__, I don't see your point to be honest
May 25 08:07:29 <danijoo> i dont think a user cares if its 7 days in the app store or 7 years
May 25 08:07:37 <wakelock> why do you keep thinking it is strange or unheard of for app vendors to have ad campaigns completely unrelated to release dates?
May 25 08:08:04 <danijoo> you wont get features though
May 25 08:08:35 <wakelock> that's okay, he'll have a killer ad to make up for it :p
May 25 08:18:35 <g00s> i wonder if this guy is correct
May 25 08:18:38 <g00s> "The gmail team has over one hundred individual software developers working on it."
May 25 08:18:45 <g00s> thats the gmap app
May 25 08:18:59 <g00s> i wonder if thats just android or ios too
May 25 08:19:29 <danijoo> it could be true
May 25 08:19:53 <g00s> i readthe twitter android app has dozens O.o
May 25 08:19:56 <danijoo> i remeber some twitter eployee saying that there are about 50 people working on twitter app (only android)
May 25 08:20:05 <g00s> yeah
May 25 08:20:11 <danijoo> so why not double that for gmail :p
May 25 08:20:30 <g00s> no wonder why i can't get my app done, i need like 20 more of me
May 25 08:20:47 <danijoo> maye they fire some designiers soon. Material design does not need custom 9.pngs :pp
May 25 08:21:14 <surf2b1> DadFoundMy: I finally won. 7 guesses :)
May 25 08:27:48 <g00s> why cant they put 20 people on appcompat
May 25 08:29:09 <gordon_> they wont fit in!
May 25 08:29:15 <gordon_> ;)
May 25 08:29:23 <bhans> lol
May 25 08:29:26 * bhans slaps gordon_ around a bit with a large trout
May 25 08:29:36 <Leeds> the scary thing is, they probably do
May 25 08:29:37 <danijoo> :D
May 25 08:30:09 <g00s> Leeds no, i think appcompat is one guy and his dog
May 25 08:30:43 <danijoo> namely Chris barnes
May 25 08:31:08 <g00s> dog probably isn't even getting piad
May 25 08:31:32 <Leeds> they pay their goats, don't they?
May 25 08:31:43 <g00s> hmm .. they get free meals
May 25 08:31:44 <Leeds> well, they probably call it 'feeding' them
May 25 08:31:51 <g00s> not sure if they get paid though
May 25 08:31:52 <wakelock> my guess is, the guy is an intern
May 25 08:41:00 <surf2b1> It's crazy how much appcompat is used and literally one guy worked on it. You would think google would have their stuff together for such a big release. </rant>
May 25 08:42:50 <surf2b1> Also, there is really no official docs/guide for appcompat. You get a better guide by going to Chris' blog and seeing his SO answers.
May 25 08:43:20 <danijoo> chris' blog is the guide xD
May 25 08:43:26 <danijoo> sad but true
May 25 08:44:00 <surf2b1> good for Chris, bad for everyone else.
May 25 08:44:49 <danijoo> i wonder if he get payed for blogging
May 25 08:58:49 <surf2b1> going back to my question ^^ context.getApplicationContext() always returns Theme.DeviceDefault
May 25 08:59:13 <surf2b1> * context.getApplicationContext().getTheme()
May 25 09:01:12 <danijoo> thats a statement, not a question :p
May 25 09:06:11 <surf2b1> danijoo: haha. I know. I was answering myself.
May 25 09:09:50 <wakelock> apparently appcompat is really no better than a hobbist freelance project, lol
May 25 09:15:10 <dasqueel> Does anybody have any experience with the DragSortListView library by Carl Bauer
May 25 09:16:03 <Nick-S> something is heavily screwing up my build .../cache.properties (no such file or directory)
May 25 09:16:07 <Nick-S> gradle...
May 25 09:19:48 <surf2b1> dasqueel: I've used it but it has been over a year
May 25 09:20:12 <danijoo> Datepicker does not have a getDate().. instead you must get year, month and day and parse it manually
May 25 09:20:18 <danijoo> interessting design decision
May 25 09:22:55 <barq> Is it better to use a layer list or a LinearLayout for a start screen that has a background image and several image overlays?
May 25 09:25:16 <danijoo> layerlist
May 25 09:25:16 <dasqueel> I dont know how to establish the DragSortCursorAdapter
May 25 09:27:16 <surf2b1> dasqueel: It is deprecated because it runs queries on the UI thread.
May 25 09:30:20 <barq> How can I scale the bitmap within a layer list? I want to place it in the bottom left corner of the screen such that it takes up half of the width and scales the height appropriately?
May 25 09:30:57 <icemanbp> hi guys, how can I set the width of a layout with 90%? :D
May 25 09:32:31 <Mavrik> You don't.
May 25 09:32:34 <Mavrik> This isn't the web
May 25 09:32:36 <Mavrik> set margins.
May 25 09:37:07 <Nick-S> fuck i really have a problem here!! :)
May 25 09:38:47 <wakelock> okay?
May 25 09:44:03 <wakelock> wtc? what are these weird emotes/icons doing in github commits?  http://i.imgur.com/5s6Eggb.png
May 25 09:46:52 <Mavrik> wakelock, someone's using them? :P
May 25 09:47:21 <surf2b1> wakelock: iOS devs are coding in all emojis: http://www.globalnerdy.com/2014/06/03/swift-fun-fact-1-you-can-use-emoji-characters-in-variable-constant-function-and-class-names/
May 25 09:47:46 <wakelock> it's a sickness
May 25 09:49:59 <gordon_> that class name indicates greatness of apple's product
May 25 09:50:11 <gordon_> </hate>
May 25 09:50:22 <wakelock> you mean, it's all a joke?
May 25 09:50:58 <gordon_> if you say so ;)
May 25 09:51:06 <surf2b1> it's all shit. poop emoji poop emoji poop emoji
May 25 09:51:26 <wakelock> gives you a good idea what the class is about ;)
May 25 09:51:55 <gordon_> that's called shitty code
May 25 09:52:09 <wakelock> literally
May 25 09:52:40 <icemanbp> Mavrik, I've done, becous I CAN
May 25 09:53:09 <yoavst> What is the default light background on android 5.0? (for material theme)
May 25 09:53:38 <surf2b1> yoavst: believe it is #ffeeeeee
May 25 09:54:16 <wakelock> pretty sure you can get that out of the framework, would be safer too
May 25 09:54:21 <yoavst> thanks, the cards look better now
May 25 09:55:29 <surf2b1> https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/res/res/values/colors_material.xml#L21
May 25 09:55:59 <yoavst> surf2b1: thanks
May 25 09:56:39 <wakelock> LOL, 42
May 25 09:56:49 <wakelock> how appropriate for May 25, the towel day :)
May 25 10:05:25 <surf2b1> gnight. Have a good memorial day
May 25 10:07:53 <Nick-S> does someone know how does robolectric simulate wifi/3g?
May 25 10:07:58 <Nick-S> does someone know how does robolectric simulate wifi/3g?
May 25 10:08:02 <Nick-S> oopsi
May 25 10:20:43 <barq> This is my layer list: http://hastebin.com/ukoteholax.xml How can I get overlay2 to be left of overlay3 and take up half of the width of the screen?
May 25 10:21:33 <wakelock> didn't you ask this already the other day?
May 25 10:21:57 <wakelock> hm I guess not quite, that was about imageviews
May 25 10:22:45 <barq> I didn't ask about layer list before.
May 25 10:23:08 <barq> But basically I want the same behavior of the imageviews in the layer list.
May 25 10:25:08 <barq> If I use gravity="left|bottom" the image is still too big.
May 25 10:25:34 <rathodvikas10> can we have location service inside fragment
May 25 10:25:51 <rathodvikas10> **LocationListner
May 25 10:35:41 <barq> Or do I need to make the image smaller to fit the screen?
May 25 10:55:47 <perlsyntax> wakelock,Did you say you had a nexus 9? and do you have any  probs with it with memery leaks?
May 25 11:22:48 <iMoz> no staffers online?
May 25 11:23:41 <Kryil-> Is there anything special I need to know about "libraries in libraries"? I want to create a library with support for the Pebble, yet my testing app that has my library included crashes with a classdefnotfound exception concerning the pebble classes (that are available in the library project)
May 25 11:27:27 <Mavrik> Kryil-, how are you including it?
May 25 11:30:43 <benhuda> hello
May 25 11:31:00 <benhuda> i'm looking for a fun Android quiz that will be in a lottery ticket i'll be handing
May 25 11:31:06 <benhuda> some kind of fun one-liner
May 25 11:32:45 <Kryil-> Mavrik: my library simply has compile 'com.getpebble:pebblekit:3.0.0' in the gradle file. The testing app has the library in the libs folder and compile ':mylibrary-debug@aar' in the gradle file. AndroidStudio recognizes the libraries in both cases in the editor
May 25 11:35:28 <Kryil-> Full error (without the code trace) java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Failed resolution of: Lcom/getpebble/android/kit/PebbleKit; Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Didn't find class "com.getpebble.android.kit.PebbleKit" on path: DexPathList[[zip file "/data/app/com.stuff/base.apk"],nativeLibraryDirectories=[/vendor/lib, /system/lib]]
May 25 11:36:20 <emilsp> hello, is there  a way to read sensible logcat output from android studio ?
May 25 11:36:48 <emilsp> basically I want to read logcat messages per test case
May 25 11:36:59 <emilsp> without the reader juttering around every time a new message pops up
May 25 11:37:45 <Mavrik> Kryil-, using "@aar" specifier makes gradle not include transitive dependencies
May 25 11:37:57 <Mavrik> try adding { transitive = true } after dependency
May 25 11:46:52 <Kryil-> Mavrik: didn't knew that. I was unable to include it without @aar. Still doesn't seem to work with compile (':mylibrary-debug@aar') { transitive = true }
May 25 11:50:17 <Sophomore> Can anyone tell me how "sync for reddit" handles how an image is made zoomable and pannable when the image is touched?
May 25 11:50:40 <Sophomore> Do they load the image in a new fragment?
May 25 12:07:54 <ChampS_> does anyone know how to integrate appcompat in my app?
May 25 12:09:01 <Napalm> ChampS_: read these https://chris.banes.me/2014/10/17/appcompat-v21/ https://chris.banes.me/2015/04/22/support-libraries-v22-1-0/
May 25 12:09:39 <ChampS_> used the sdk appcompat project, imported this project to eclipse and added this to my apps build path. But can't access Theme.AppCompat.Light
May 25 12:10:53 <wakelock> sadly you won't get much love in here as far as eclipse goes
May 25 12:11:55 <barq> ChampS_: What do you mean by can't access?
May 25 12:16:54 <wakelock> did you do all the necessary package imports?
May 25 12:17:00 <wakelock> (in java that is)
May 25 12:18:37 <Mavrik> hmm, isn't AppCompat lib an AAR?
May 25 12:20:20 <ChampS_> barq: error: Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar'.
May 25 12:21:33 <barq> ChampS_: Where did you get that error?
May 25 12:22:05 <ChampS_> in my style.xml where I define my AppBaseTheme
May 25 12:23:47 <barq> Show some code
May 25 12:24:41 <barq> ChampS_: What is your build target?
May 25 12:25:43 <imv> Hi, can anyone please help me get some unit tests into my project? I don't know how to notify gradle where my unit tests are. I tried looking it up, tried adding them via the AS gui hoping it would be simpler, it wasn't.
May 25 12:26:35 <ChampS_> barq: <style name="AppBaseTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light">
May 25 12:27:39 <barq> ChampS_: What is your targetSdkVersion?
May 25 12:27:57 <ChampS_> 	<uses-sdk
May 25 12:27:57 <ChampS_> 		android:minSdkVersion="15"
May 25 12:27:57 <ChampS_> 		android:targetSdkVersion="22" />
May 25 12:28:48 <barq> Did you change that recently? Cleaned your project since?
May 25 12:28:59 <bolovanos> is in Android Studio "Locate Duplicates" functionality like in IntelliJ IDEA https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/analyzing-duplicates.html
May 25 12:29:19 <bolovanos> if not - what do you use for such task?
May 25 12:30:15 <ChampS_> barq: cleaned several times, my appcompat project have the property isLibrary
May 25 12:30:48 <ChampS_> ill make some screenshots for you think that would be better than writing the whole configuration *gg*
May 25 12:41:19 <barq> ChampS_: What do you get if you go to Project-> Properties, Android
May 25 12:41:26 <barq> Is the reference red?
May 25 12:42:07 <barq> Und library
May 25 12:42:13 <barq> Under*
May 25 12:50:41 <emilsp> how do I access my 'service' from a message handler ?
May 25 12:51:59 <ChampS_> barq: No
May 25 12:52:35 <barq> ChampS_: There is a green checkmark next to appcompat?
May 25 12:53:27 <ChampS_> I can import android.support.v7.app.AlertDialog without an error but if I start my app I get an exception
May 25 12:54:08 <barq> What exception?
May 25 12:54:19 <barq> I thought this was an Eclipse error that prevented compiling.
May 25 12:59:03 <emilsp> am I muted ?
May 25 12:59:33 <barq> No
May 25 12:59:38 <emilsp> ok, thanks
May 25 13:19:17 <barq> ChampS_:  Try setting parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light" without the @android:style/
May 25 13:20:48 <ChampS_> Thanks this is working, but only if you have the appcompat project as android reference not as buildpath reference.
May 25 13:21:22 <barq> OK
May 25 13:22:15 <rathodvikas10> i need a continues update from service, so should i use broadcastRecivers or listener
May 25 13:23:38 <ventura> rathodvikas10: continuous update == update UI?
May 25 13:24:12 <rathodvikas10> yup let say for example the time every 10 seconds
May 25 13:24:26 <rathodvikas10> and show then in textview
May 25 13:25:49 <rathodvikas10> so i have listener object in service and implement it in the activity and call the update method of the listener and get the data in activity
May 25 13:26:31 <rathodvikas10> or implement the broadcastreciver in activity and fire the intent from service every 10 sec and get the data in activity
May 25 13:29:22 <ChampS_> i solve this with listeners but you can also write your own broadcastreceiver
May 25 13:29:49 <ventura> rathodvikas10: both LocalBroadcast and Service handler solve your problem
May 25 13:30:36 <ventura> rathodvikas10: if you wish to learn how to communicate between activity and service, check StackOverflow http://goo.gl/8c2Syg
May 25 13:30:59 <samB__> Is $1 per 1000 impressions good for advertising?
May 25 13:31:15 <samB__> thinking about adversting my app
May 25 13:31:22 <ChampS_> the problem bout broadcastreceiver is you must inherit from Broadcastreceiver and cant inherit other classes.
May 25 13:31:53 <samB__> *advertising
May 25 13:31:53 <Mavrik> rathodvikas10, why not use an eventbus?
May 25 13:32:23 <ventura> ChampS_: i think this is a Java problem :-)
May 25 13:33:32 <rathodvikas10> dont want to introduce other library for small purpose, if i can to this with listener or broadcast
May 25 13:33:43 <Mavrik> *shrug*
May 25 13:33:52 <Mavrik> do it then, it'll make maintenance more annoying tho
May 25 13:33:54 <rathodvikas10> how about this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7659974/set-a-listener-in-a-service-based-class
May 25 13:34:05 <Mavrik> take a look at LocalBroadcastManager which is built for that purpose
May 25 13:34:13 <Mavrik> rathodvikas10, make sure you're careful not to leak activity
May 25 13:34:16 <ventura> if you are working with sensible data, never use Broadcast, only LocalBroadcast. this could allow privilege scalation
May 25 13:34:50 <rathodvikas10> ok
May 25 13:36:07 <ventura> rathodvikas10: handler is the “android way” of communicating with the UI thread https://developer.android.com/training/multiple-threads/communicate-ui.html
May 25 13:36:10 <rathodvikas10> i think localbroadcastmanager is good
May 25 13:36:17 <ChampS_> why not writing his own listener?
May 25 13:36:51 <ventura> ChampS_: you can, but is the same thing as create your own linked list or map
May 25 13:37:15 <ventura> while java already provide them to you
May 25 13:37:17 <rathodvikas10> so now we have 3 options Listener, LocalBroadCastManager and Handler
May 25 13:37:47 <rathodvikas10> what is a difference between braodcast and handler
May 25 13:38:49 <rathodvikas10> have you seen this answer, what might be the problem in this  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7659974/set-a-listener-in-a-service-based-class, just curious.
May 25 13:39:12 <rathodvikas10> i will go with localBroadcastManager Ig
May 25 13:41:38 <ventura> rathodvikas10: this solution has an issue: if your activity is in background, it won’t receive the update
May 25 13:41:51 <eisnerdj> Does anyone here know how to get more info on an app update rejection for "Violation of the intellectual property and impersonation or deceptive behavior provisions of the Content Policy"? The generic email gives me no clues as to what the underlying claim is, and I am not aware of any violations.
May 25 13:41:53 <ventura> using a broadcast or localbroadcast, the intent remains in a queue
May 25 13:42:08 <ventura> so, when the activity is resumed, it can read the intent and update the UI
May 25 13:42:49 <eisnerdj> sorry, didn't wait long enough to see the discussion
May 25 13:43:27 <ventura> eisnerdj: have you received this email from google?
May 25 13:43:55 <eisnerdj> yes, that's right
May 25 13:44:09 <eisnerdj> from Google Play Support <googleplay-developer-support@google.com>
May 25 13:44:56 <ventura> eisnerdj: have  you use any opensource code without accomplishing the license policy or used any proprietary image, video or audio without paying for it?
May 25 13:46:35 <eisnerdj> I use various open source libraries, all compatible with release as part of a GPL application such as mine, sources being released on github.com/eisnerd/mupeace.#
May 25 13:47:08 <adq> link to your app eisnerdj?
May 25 13:47:20 <eisnerdj> Store Listing previously had some screenshots made by a prior dev containing album artwork of unknown (to me) provenance.
May 25 13:47:38 <eisnerdj> Mupeace https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.musicpd.android
May 25 13:47:49 <adq> thx looking
May 25 13:48:05 <adq> ok screenshots are already problematic and include copyrighted content
May 25 13:48:12 <eisnerdj> I've been working on a Beta for quite a while, so the Production version and listing is quite old, and shows the screenshots.
May 25 13:48:38 <adq> you use the word Android without TM and without providing Android is a trademark of Google Inc.
May 25 13:48:39 <adq> *etc
May 25 13:48:45 <adq> no need to check more
May 25 13:48:50 <eisnerdj> That was my first guess. The listing I'm trying to publish contains screenshots with only Creative Commons content.
May 25 13:49:27 <adq> http://developer.android.com/distribute/tools/promote/brand.html might help you a bit
May 25 13:50:19 <adq> eisnerdj, it's not only the screenshot
May 25 13:51:00 <eisnerdj> Store Listing can't contain "Android"? Really? I can change this easily, but it seems like a stab in the dark. Is "Android app promotional materials" intended to refer to Google Play listings?
May 25 13:51:09 <adq> just read the brand guidelines
May 25 13:51:52 <adq> it can contain the words android if you do it right
May 25 13:52:40 <ventura> eisnerdj: GPL or LGPL? 2 or 3?
May 25 13:53:41 <Darkwater> I have a low priority ongoing notification that's going to turn into a max priority ongoing, is there a problem with changing priority?
May 25 13:53:57 <eisnerdj> I have read all of these. However, I did not take this section as referring to store listings, but separate promotional materials such as websites, posters and leaflets. It's still not clear to me that this can be the reason that the app update has been rejected.
May 25 13:56:31 <ventura> eisnerdj: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10130143/gpl-lgpl-and-static-linking
May 25 13:56:47 <ChampS_> how can I get the supportActionBar from support.v4.Fragment?
May 25 13:57:02 <ventura> about media content, i have no idea. about code, never use lgpl nor gpl
May 25 13:57:21 <adq> eisnerdj, i think you don't want to fix your rejection issue
May 25 13:57:29 <adq> it's pretty clear
May 25 13:57:37 <adq> and the brand guidelines applies to the store listing
May 25 13:57:44 <adq> you're welcome, see you
May 25 13:58:59 <eisnerdj> I very much want to release my app update and remove any genuine violations. I know about the different forms of GPL. What I don't want to do is resubmit with new guesses as to what will be acceptable content so many times that my app is taken down.
May 25 13:59:30 <eisnerdj> That is why I am asking here if anyone knows how to get more info on an app update rejection.
May 25 14:00:44 <adq> you won't get more info on app update rejection unless maybe you know someone in google
May 25 14:01:27 <eisnerdj> That's the impression I got.
May 25 14:01:35 <adq> you just have to take "everything", check if it can infringe or not, and in doubt, assuming a lawyer is not an option, you skip if you don't know or you ask here or elsewhere
May 25 14:01:48 <adq> so you limit the risks
May 25 14:02:02 <adq> i'm also pretty sure it has nothing to do with GPL or licensing issue
May 25 14:02:04 <csst0111> j #nettuts
May 25 14:02:17 <csst0111> sorry wrong window
May 25 14:03:56 <eisnerdj> I am very happy to make the sort of changes that you have suggested. I am very concerned that my app will end up being removed because of some trivial wording issue that neither of us has noticed yet, without ever being able to contact an appropriate person at Google.
May 25 14:04:53 <eisnerdj> Thank you for that advice. It seemed that way, but I was really hoping for a lower risk approach to emerge.
May 25 14:05:02 <adq> it's a known issue unfortunately (to not be able to contact anyone)
May 25 14:05:16 <adq> i also strongly suggest that you check for words redundancies
May 25 14:05:38 <adq> i'm so paranoid that, except for articles and very short words, i'm trying to never have more than two or more occurences in my description
May 25 14:05:56 <eisnerdj> The screenshots are a pretty obvious issue. Could they possibly be rejecting the update because of the screenshots on the *old* listing?
May 25 14:06:19 <adq> for sure it does not help if you screenshots still contain potential copyright infrigment
May 25 14:06:32 <adq> but fix everything, otherwise you will end up in the scenario you don't want
May 25 14:06:34 <adq> terminal rejection
May 25 14:06:53 <eisnerdj> I don't follow your comment about "words redundancies" I'm afraid.
May 25 14:07:06 <adq> this this this is a redundancy of the word this
May 25 14:07:09 <adq> you see "this"
May 25 14:07:14 <adq> 4 times
May 25 14:07:28 <adq> could trigger some spam/seo_trick detection
May 25 14:07:39 <adq> and flag you
May 25 14:07:50 <adq> especially if there are many redundancies
May 25 14:08:13 <adq> this is not so problematic, but "android" would be
May 25 14:08:20 <adq> "this"*
May 25 14:09:47 <eisnerdj> Yes, but what words are you talking about, the store listing? Do you mean nonsense repeats or something like "music" being used in several separate sentences?
May 25 14:10:56 <adq> do you think we talk about screenshot concerning word redudancy???
May 25 14:11:01 <adq> yes the store listing
May 25 14:11:11 <adq> just be sure you don't reuse the same words multiple times, use synonym
May 25 14:11:56 <adq> https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/2985717?hl=en
May 25 14:12:00 <adq> read this stuff maybe
May 25 14:12:15 <adq> "Don't use repetitive keywords—Avoid keywords that are repetitive or excessive.
May 25 14:12:15 <adq> "
May 25 14:15:06 <eisnerdj> Ok, thanks. I've skimmed the stuff on spam before, but I'm pretty sure they don't refer to this as either "intellectual property violation" or "impersonation or deceptive behavior".
May 25 14:27:45 <ventura> is there any guideline for creating android view themes? for example, creating a background image to a button
May 25 14:32:31 <jvrodrigues> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to build a jar with a library archive?
May 25 14:32:43 <jvrodrigues> IDEA seems to only be building a jar with the dependencies and not with the actual module
May 25 14:32:45 <jvrodrigues> very weird
May 25 14:32:49 <jvrodrigues> have no idea what is happening
May 25 14:32:58 <jvrodrigues> as the compiled output is added
May 25 15:41:49 <rathodvikas10> how do i update notification from service
May 25 16:02:26 <charlie_sanders> is it possible to get more than one text color in a button, or any other shape for that matter ?
May 25 16:04:38 <danijoo> charlie_sanders, you can use spans to change color of text
May 25 16:05:37 <charlie_sanders> danijoo, ok thanks I'll check it out
May 25 16:15:55 <charlie_sanders> danijoo, got it thx :)
May 25 16:16:53 <danijoo> yw
May 25 16:22:39 <AlmogBaku> hi
May 25 16:22:47 <Ashiren> ohai
May 25 16:22:59 <AlmogBaku> can i extract the last 5 items of array without iterate?
May 25 16:23:07 <AlmogBaku> [1,2,3,4,5,6,7]
May 25 16:23:22 <AlmogBaku> i want the last 3 [5,6,7]
May 25 16:24:07 <aspire> AlmogBaku, there's no way to avoid iterating in order to grab the last k items from an n-length array
May 25 16:24:15 <Ashiren> like put them to other array?
May 25 16:24:18 <aspire> try Arrays.copyOf
May 25 16:24:19 <AlmogBaku> damn. so inefficient
May 25 16:24:20 <Ashiren> System.arraycopy
May 25 16:24:23 <aspire> or that
May 25 16:24:27 <aspire> or errr
May 25 16:24:32 <aspire> it might be Arrays.copyOfRange
May 25 16:24:34 <aspire> i forgot tbh
May 25 16:24:49 <AlmogBaku> oh! i didnt know copyOfRange!
May 25 16:25:03 <AlmogBaku> i tried the copyOf but the range dounds good
May 25 16:25:06 <AlmogBaku> i tried the copyOf but the range sounds good
May 25 16:25:47 <aspire> yes try Arrays.copyOfRange
May 25 16:26:19 <aspire> to get the last k elements: T[] lastK = Arrays.copyOfRange(array, 0, array.length - k)
May 25 16:26:33 <aspire> you have to make sure that array.length > k though
May 25 16:26:37 <dasqueel> Does anybody have experience with the DragSortListView library by Carl Bauer?
May 25 16:26:51 <AlmogBaku> actually... why the range is protected on ArrayList?
May 25 16:27:18 <aspire> what do you mean
May 25 16:28:31 <AlmogBaku> ArrayList have
May 25 16:28:33 <AlmogBaku>     @Override protected void removeRange(int fromIndex, int toIndex) {}
May 25 16:28:41 <AlmogBaku> why tha hell its protected
May 25 16:30:45 <drose379> Anyone willing to try out an apk for me
May 25 16:30:52 <drose379> Will be about 25-30 seconds
May 25 16:31:10 <AlmogBaku> http://pastebin.com/fk8Rmu2b
May 25 16:31:19 <AlmogBaku> that looks like the most efficient solution
May 25 16:33:55 <canvs2321> AlmogBaku,seems you'll get some out of index error with that
May 25 16:34:15 <AlmogBaku> interesting... why
May 25 16:34:21 <canvs2321> or atleast removing 0, then going to 1, 1 is now 0 so it'll skip?
May 25 16:34:34 <cristian_c> canvs2321, hello
May 25 16:34:35 <canvs2321> just guessing at quick look
May 25 16:34:50 <AlmogBaku> i don't think so,, my guess is that it'll keep the original index val
May 25 16:35:02 <AlmogBaku> are you sure that I need to remove 0 every time?
May 25 16:35:07 <canvs2321> should just keep removing 0 til you have your size
May 25 16:35:23 <AlmogBaku> lets try it
May 25 16:35:26 <canvs2321> i think it drops em, so removing 0 makes 1 0 doesn't it? it may not
May 25 16:35:31 <canvs2321> reorders them
May 25 16:36:00 <AlmogBaku> while(logs.size()>MAX_LINES) logs.remove(0);
May 25 16:36:00 <AlmogBaku> ?
May 25 16:36:18 <canvs2321> test it your way first
May 25 16:36:19 <AlmogBaku> it will be really weired if it'll reorder them
May 25 16:37:00 <canvs2321> list = 'a' 'b' 'c' 'd' , list.remove(0) removes 'a' and should make 'b' in 0 position
May 25 16:37:05 <canvs2321> as the size has changed
May 25 16:39:07 <canvs2321> some list have iterators i believe where you can recursively go through and remove keeping position++ and it not affect order
May 25 16:39:44 <cristian_c> canvs2321, I've followed your tips
May 25 16:39:56 <cristian_c> canvs2321, I've done many tests
May 25 16:40:12 <canvs2321> huh?
May 25 16:40:22 <cristian_c> yes
May 25 16:40:44 <canvs2321> cool :)
May 25 16:41:03 <cristian_c> canvs2321, widget increase its size
May 25 16:41:05 <cristian_c> *s
May 25 16:41:57 <cristian_c> canvs2321, I've investigated, I've replaced the current icon to check the real size
May 25 16:42:16 <cristian_c> then, I've put a relativelayout into a relativelayout
May 25 16:43:02 <cristian_c> size is now smaller than before, but I can'tjoin the light indicator with the button
May 25 16:43:26 <cristian_c> canvs2321, I don't know how to fix exactly the issue
May 25 16:43:45 <cristian_c> (I've made some test with different values for parameters)
May 25 16:44:30 <AlmogBaku> lets try it
May 25 16:45:02 <cristian_c> canvs2321, how can I join correctly button and imageview between them?
May 25 16:45:04 <cristian_c> Any ideas?
May 25 16:45:49 <DadFoundMy> what do you mean by join correctly?
May 25 16:48:09 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, To create a toggle/power widget I need to mix three items
May 25 16:48:45 <cristian_c> imageview for light indicator, button (the widget) and imageview for the icon (logo)
May 25 16:49:32 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, http://cdn.cultofandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/powercontrol.jpg
May 25 16:49:58 <DadFoundMy> ahh so like one of those?
May 25 16:50:07 <DadFoundMy> if so an ImageButton should do the trick
May 25 16:50:12 <DadFoundMy> or just a clickable imageview
May 25 16:51:04 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, ok, but it's difficult to set
May 25 16:51:20 <DadFoundMy> what is difficult to set?
May 25 16:52:10 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, imagebutton + imageview?
May 25 16:53:22 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, ok, but there is a problem
May 25 16:53:55 <cristian_c> imageview for the icon is transparent (opacity 0%), and button is not transparent
May 25 16:54:11 <cristian_c> *icon is transparent
May 25 16:54:29 <cristian_c> so, i think two elements for button and icon are needed
May 25 16:56:37 <DadFoundMy> im confused as to why you cant just have 1 ImageButton and change the background drawable?
May 25 16:57:18 <cristian_c> you are right, but it seems icon is smaller than button
May 25 16:57:44 <cristian_c> icon is square, button is a rectngle
May 25 16:57:48 <cristian_c> *rectangle
May 25 16:58:45 <DadFoundMy> well im not sure if the padding attribute will work, but if not you can just make the drawable image with the grey background
May 25 16:59:07 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, and about padding?
May 25 17:00:35 <DadFoundMy> well im not sure if this would work bhut you might be able to set the Image's drable than set the padding to show the buttons background
May 25 17:00:41 <DadFoundMy> im not really sure to be honest
May 25 17:01:20 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, it's not easy setting these parameters
May 25 17:01:28 <cristian_c> (I've made many tries)
May 25 17:01:42 <DadFoundMy> ? android:padding="12dp"
May 25 17:01:54 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, to get the wished result
May 25 17:05:06 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, I ca edit the icon, replacing also button + imageview with an imagebutton, but then I should set parameters, anyway
May 25 17:05:28 <cristian_c> DadFoundMy, if this method doesn't work, what can I do?
May 25 17:05:39 <cristian_c> *will not work
May 25 17:11:31 <wakelock> yo... what's a good thread-safe List<> FIFO implementation?
May 25 17:11:42 <charlie_sanders> can I have two items in a ListView ?  One floated left and a button, floated right ?
May 25 17:11:55 <wakelock> sure, why not
May 25 17:17:27 <g00s> wakelock any of the concurrent queues ?
May 25 17:17:45 <wakelock> yeah just found ConcurrentLinkedQueue
May 25 17:18:00 <wakelock> what can I say, this time I went against my beliefs and asked before I googled :p
May 25 17:18:48 <Milos> Anyone familiar with development of the AOSP framework?
May 25 17:19:00 <Milos> I'm just wondering how to do something like
May 25 17:19:10 <luist> how can i run this in background/async:    ((MainActivity)getActivity()).afterLogout();
May 25 17:19:13 <Milos> PowerManager powerManager = (PowerManager) getSystemService(Context.POWER_SERVICE);
May 25 17:19:13 <Milos> if (powerManager.isScreenOn()){ return true; }
May 25 17:19:21 <Milos> But in the framework, where there is no context?
May 25 17:19:35 <Milos> make -j5 gives me an error on getSystemService and I'm not sure how to call it in a static context
May 25 17:19:44 <Milos> or another way or finding out if the system is interactive from the framework itself
May 25 17:19:52 <wakelock> wrong channel, this is largely for app development
May 25 17:20:16 <wakelock> plus, I don't know :p
May 25 17:20:23 <Milos> do you have a recommended channel?
May 25 17:20:34 <wakelock> #android-root
May 25 17:20:51 <Milos> alrighty, thanks
May 25 17:22:49 <Milos> makes me wonder why you have source.android.com in the topic
May 25 17:22:59 <wakelock> for reference
May 25 17:23:06 <Milos> ah right
May 25 17:23:31 <luist> how can i run this in background/async:    ((MainActivity)getActivity()).afterLogout();
May 25 17:23:33 <wakelock> ok another question, what is the preferred/recommended pattern - having a non-static inner class that has the outer instance readily available via Outer.this, or having a static inner class that takes the outer instance as an arg of the constructor?
May 25 17:23:52 <wakelock> luist, don't think you can
May 25 17:24:04 <luist> wakelock: why?
May 25 17:30:00 <wakelock> luist, you'd need a proper application context, woudln't you?
May 25 17:32:35 <ChampS_> I'm trying to style my supportactionbar but just my customlayout is blue, not the whole actionbar.
May 25 17:32:35 <wakelock> actually depends what you mean by "background", you might be able to get away with a new thread
May 25 17:32:37 <ChampS_> using this code
May 25 17:32:40 <ChampS_> <style name="AppCompatActionBar" parent="@style/Widget.AppCompat.Light.ActionBar.Solid.Inverse">
May 25 17:32:47 <ChampS_> <item name="background">@color/holo_blue_dark</item>
May 25 17:36:42 <g00s> interesting http://engineering.vine.co/post/117873038742/reducing-build-times-by-adopting-buck
May 25 17:37:22 <wakelock> s/adopting-buck/going-back-to-eclipse/
May 25 17:37:23 <wakelock> :p
May 25 17:38:51 <TacticalJoke> ChampS_:  Please paste the whole whatever.xml on pastebin.
May 25 17:41:04 <adq> lol g00s
May 25 17:41:23 <ChampS_> TacticalJoke: http://pastebin.com/vZpZpmKK
May 25 17:43:03 <TacticalJoke> s/android:actionBarStyle/actionBarStyle/
May 25 17:46:05 <pfn> slowest part of my build time is deploying to device
May 25 17:46:19 <pfn> takes like 11s to install, easily
May 25 17:47:04 <JesusFreke> how large is your apk?
May 25 17:47:50 <pfn> JesusFreke, 2mb
May 25 17:48:03 <JesusFreke> ah, not much then
May 25 17:48:18 <JesusFreke> I would have thought it would be a bit faster than that to install
May 25 17:49:07 <pfn> dex2oat is considerably slower than just installing dex directly
May 25 17:49:22 <pfn> I noticed that slowdown back on kitkat when enabling art
May 25 17:49:41 <pfn> used to be like 4s to install
May 25 17:50:51 <pfn> Actually, I should just run ~android:package and have intellij install the apk on demand
May 25 17:51:04 <pfn> that would make my build time the install time, roughly
May 25 17:51:34 <JesusFreke> Ah, yeah. I was wondering if that was with art or not
May 25 17:52:55 <pfn> but I like typing run so much more than hitting ctrl r for some reason
May 25 17:53:50 <Odaym> stockholm syndrome
May 25 17:54:32 <pfn> well, hitting ctrl r to run in intellij seems to make me wait before it pops up the run window and stuff
May 25 17:54:55 <Odaym> but only once, you can choose run this device everytime
May 25 17:55:24 <pfn> it makes me wait is the operative blocker
May 25 17:55:32 <pfn> ie not instant response
May 25 17:55:44 <Odaym> well you seem ultra efficient anyways
May 25 17:55:47 <Odaym> look at your name
May 25 17:56:07 <pfn> buck sounds interesting in that it only installs the updated dex in multidex, I wonder how it does that
May 25 17:56:29 <pfn> that mighg be something I could apply
May 25 17:56:38 <Odaym> I saw Muzei today
May 25 17:56:41 <Odaym> lol
May 25 17:57:08 <Odaym> I mean I'd always known the guy existed but I hadn't seen his work
May 25 17:57:53 <pfn> no idea who that is
May 25 17:58:11 <Odaym> the roman nurik we all hear about
May 25 18:02:25 <wakelock> lol, I've seen/heard of this Muzei ages ago, totally forgot about it though
May 25 18:02:49 <wakelock> also can't say if I've heard of this roman nurik before, but apparently he's a " design advocate
May 25 18:02:51 <wakelock> at Google"
May 25 18:02:54 <wakelock> oops
May 25 18:02:54 <wakelock> http://roman.nurik.net/
May 25 18:03:02 <pfn> https://buckbuild.com/article/exopackage.html
May 25 18:03:10 <pfn> hmm, yuck
May 25 18:05:11 <pfn> clever, but yuck
May 25 18:05:50 <AlmogBaku> canvs2321 your approach worked.. thanks bud
May 25 18:05:59 <AlmogBaku> while(logs.size()>MAX_LINES) logs.remove(0);
May 25 18:10:31 <charlie_sanders> If I have a custom button in my custom listview, how can i get the position of the clicked item ?
May 25 18:11:45 <TacticalJoke> One way is to set the button's tag to be the identifier and then, in `onClick`, call View.getTag.
May 25 18:15:20 <charlie_sanders> what tag ?
May 25 18:15:23 <charlie_sanders> and thanks!
May 25 18:16:14 <wakelock> whatever you set it to?
May 25 18:16:53 <charlie_sanders> ahha, its just aditional data, awesome!
May 25 18:18:41 <dasqueel> Anybody have any experience with the DragSortListView library by Carl Bauer?
May 25 18:20:48 <Odaym> beurca? yea me
May 25 18:21:19 <dasqueel> whoops thats what I meant
May 25 18:23:03 <dasqueel> I am makig an app taht ranks items.  And I am trying to get the positions of the rearranged items.  I know to use DragSortCursorAdapter class and use the getCursorPositions() method.  Just dont know how to implement it
May 25 18:23:29 <Odaym> he provides those things from the lib?
May 25 18:23:33 <Odaym> :P
May 25 18:24:13 <Odaym> i dont get it what do you want to achieve in the end?
May 25 18:24:16 <Odaym> ordered list?
May 25 18:25:09 <dasqueel> when I click a button it retrieves the new order of the items
May 25 18:26:04 <dasqueel> I think i got most of it however i get 'cannot resolve method getCursorPositions()' -- FYI I a bit of a noob when it comes to java and android :/
May 25 18:26:07 <Odaym> it's easy to implement order for the items honestly
May 25 18:27:22 <pfn> drag sort list view is no longer maintained though...
May 25 18:27:53 <Odaym> dont you have a dataset that you feed to that list?
May 25 18:28:20 <dasqueel> Ya I get a get request -- its a fantasy football app
May 25 18:28:37 <Odaym> do you represent that dataset as a class in your code?
May 25 18:28:38 <dasqueel> I do  get request to get the players
May 25 18:28:45 <pfn> dasqueel, if you don't need to drag, then just plain listview is fine
May 25 18:29:11 <dasqueel> I like the drag/drop function to rank em
May 25 18:29:16 <pfn> I still need to try out recycler view
May 25 18:29:22 <Odaym> lol same
May 25 18:29:26 <pfn> Maybe that makes dragging easier
May 25 18:29:40 <pfn> and is the reason dragsort is no longer maintained
May 25 18:30:13 <dasqueel> So I shouldnt use this library then?
May 25 18:30:13 <Odaym> and is the reason our apps are not making money
May 25 18:30:15 <Odaym> and that we suck
May 25 18:30:17 <Odaym> haha
May 25 18:30:28 <Odaym> dude dasqueel you started out with a problem you have, now you wanna drop the library?
May 25 18:30:42 <Odaym> funny..
May 25 18:31:05 <dasqueel> Ha I wouldnt like to... I'm very close to finishing it.
May 25 18:31:11 <Odaym> yea.....
May 25 18:31:14 <Odaym> yet...
May 25 18:31:28 <Odaym> you remind me of myself, yesterday
May 25 18:31:29 <Odaym> haha
May 25 18:31:31 <dasqueel> haha I know
May 25 18:31:42 <Odaym> "cant import this library, it SUCKS!'
May 25 18:31:52 <Odaym> well I did ask you a question above, you didn't answer
May 25 18:33:13 <dasqueel> my data fed as a class?
May 25 18:33:46 <Odaym> is the data made up of objects that are of a type that you've defined as a class in your code?
May 25 18:34:11 <g00s> recyclerview seems nice at first; you have it split into 3 seperate responsabilities (RV, LM, ItemDecorators, ect) .. but then once you use it, everything gets to be a tangled clusterfuck
May 25 18:34:32 <dasqueel> no they are not made of objects
May 25 18:34:45 <tsyd> Is it possible to detect if notifications are disabled for my app (with or without hacks)?
May 25 18:35:04 <Odaym> they should be
May 25 18:35:25 <Odaym> why aren't they, how do you handle them when you are feeding their information to the listview items? itemname, itemDescription, etc...??
May 25 18:36:06 <Odaym> for the items to be ranked I would think they have to be of the same kind no?
May 25 18:37:43 <yiati> With rxjava and retrofit I'm trying to use retryWhen to catch 401s and issue a reauth before retrying the observable, but an issue I'm not sure about is if there are multiple observers that get 401s at the same time. I don't want each observer to try to reauth
May 25 18:38:43 <dasqueel> I am using the demo that Carl provided and I saw where he got his data was a String array, so I just replaced the default array with an array of players from my server
May 25 18:39:00 <Odaym> no man no, that was just an example for simplicity
May 25 18:39:51 <Odaym> what you need is to implement a class that you will use to make objects out of all the data you are receiving and then you feed those objects as an ArrayList to the listview
May 25 18:40:03 <Odaym> in those objects you have one extra field called "order"
May 25 18:40:17 <Odaym> you use the listview listeners to keep track of when to change the order after a drag has ended
May 25 18:40:36 <dasqueel> Ahh ok that makes sense
May 25 18:43:35 <pfn> yiati, then only use 1 observable for auth
May 25 18:44:00 <g00s> lame that java doesn't allow overriding static methods
May 25 18:44:36 <Odaym> Java's Whitnesses
May 25 18:44:36 <Odaym> haha
May 25 18:44:39 <Odaym> !!
May 25 18:44:47 <Odaym> $1 million dollar blog name!
May 25 18:44:56 <Odaym> it could be about Java fails
May 25 18:45:01 <pfn> g00s, static methods don't make sense to override
May 25 18:45:08 <pfn> none what so ever
May 25 18:45:10 <g00s> sure they do. obj-c has them
May 25 18:45:56 <Odaym> overriding depends on having an instance of a class
May 25 18:46:18 <Odaym> The point of polymorphism is that you can subclass a class and the objects implementing those subclasses will have different behaviors for the same methods defined in the superclass (and overridden in the subclasses). A static method is not associated with any instance of a class so the concept is not applicable.
May 25 18:46:49 <g00s> Odaym thanks for copying and pasting that SO post
May 25 18:46:56 <g00s> i already read that
May 25 18:46:57 <Odaym> I was about to post a screenshot
May 25 18:47:00 <Odaym> ;D
May 25 18:47:04 <Odaym> of the text highlighted
May 25 18:47:11 <Odaym> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zaj99ppfv74id21/Screenshot%202015-05-25%2021.46.29.png?dl=0
May 25 18:47:33 <Odaym> I still dont get it though, those are questions I leave be
May 25 18:47:47 <TacticalJoke> I hate that Java doesn't allow static methods in inner classes.
May 25 18:47:54 <TacticalJoke> Makes no sense.
May 25 18:48:18 <sonOfRa> TacticalJoke: it kind of does
May 25 18:48:28 <sonOfRa> A non-static inner class is bound to an instance of it's outer class
May 25 18:48:57 <Odaym> ahh no I do get it, overriding means you have to an object to access that method that the object's class overrode. static means its just hardcoding whatever you want
May 25 18:49:02 <TacticalJoke> I don't see how that follows, sonOfRa.
May 25 18:49:09 <Odaym> I never understood the difference except in how easy it was to call either
May 25 18:49:16 <TacticalJoke> You could easily create a class that's bound to an instance of something that has static methods, for example.
May 25 18:49:18 <Odaym> 2 lines for non-static and 1 line for static :P
May 25 18:49:20 <adq> static stuff lives in the heap
May 25 18:49:28 <adq> I would like to be able to override static method in java too ;'
May 25 18:49:32 <Odaym> so it DOES create also?
May 25 18:49:33 <yiati> pfn: yeah I have a singleton for Func1<Observable<? extends Throwable>, Observable<?>> to pass into retryWhen. I'm trying to determine how to know when a call to get an instance of the singleton should either a) actually kick off a request for a new token, or b) join the in flight request to get a new token
May 25 18:49:49 <Odaym> then everything should be nonstatic if the cost is the same..
May 25 18:49:57 <adq> cost is not the same at all
May 25 18:50:16 <Odaym> creating an object means occupying place on the heap?
May 25 18:50:42 <adq> i think creating an object is living on the stack, by opposition
May 25 18:51:01 <Odaym> by heap/stack/whatever dont you mean memory is being held for this thing you are using?
May 25 18:51:05 <Odaym> is memory not held for the other?
May 25 18:51:24 <sonOfRa> http://stackoverflow.com/a/975554/1565759 TacticalJoke this is a good answer to that question
May 25 18:51:26 <adq> anything existing is in memory
May 25 18:51:31 <Odaym> yea see
May 25 18:51:33 <Odaym> that I know
May 25 18:51:35 <adq> but when i said cost is not the same, it was more for read/write
May 25 18:51:55 <adq> accessing a static object is almost straight
May 25 18:52:29 <Odaym> then its occupying space was made before
May 25 18:52:31 <adq> accessing a regular object with a getter or directly with its field (assuming it's a member)
May 25 18:52:38 <Odaym> with the non-static it means you occupy when needed
May 25 18:52:39 <adq> has lot of things going on before reaching it
May 25 18:52:52 <TacticalJoke> sonOfRa:  That answer is wrong, IMO.
May 25 18:52:58 <TacticalJoke> You could say `Outer.Inner.staticMethod`.
May 25 18:53:06 <TacticalJoke> I sometimes want private static methods in inner classes.
May 25 18:53:23 <sonOfRa> TacticalJoke: you can do Outer.Inner.staticMethod if Inner is a static inner class
May 25 18:55:32 <yiati> pfn: http://pastie.org/private/lsumslqfm0r5cb8hpuggw this is my current attempt
May 25 18:55:52 <TacticalJoke> I know.  I meant that I don't think that answers the question of "Why shouldn't we be allowed to say Outer.InnerClass.staticMethod".
May 25 18:56:04 <TacticalJoke> It's an arbitrary restriction.
May 25 18:56:58 <yiati> going to try it out now, but mostly hoping "if (!authTokenSubject.hasObservers())" will do it for me
May 25 18:57:48 <yiati> since in my case a call to "accessTokenProvider.notifyInvalidToken();" is what actually cues up a request for a new auth token
May 25 18:57:55 <yiati> s/queues/cues/
May 25 18:58:44 <icedp> sonOfRa: TacticalJoke. NB there is no such thing as "static inner class" because inner class is "non-static nested class"
May 25 18:59:07 <TacticalJoke> Right.
May 25 19:13:55 <g00s> i kinda got around it by declaring a field Command.ENCODER which points to an enum, each of which overrides encode(). so i can say CommandX.ENCODER.encode() , but Command overrides encode() as { ENCODER.encode() }
May 25 19:14:16 <g00s> java and its dumbass object model
May 25 19:31:13 <Thorn> hello
May 25 19:31:17 <Odaym> hah, I still seriously dont have the solution for making the listview redrawing its items without causing a notifyDataSetChanged
May 25 19:31:23 <Thorn> stupid question: you make an "example.com app" (the only one they're going to have). what would the app id / packege be? com.example.app? com.example.example?
May 25 19:31:41 <danijoo> Odaym, thats exactly what that call is for...
May 25 19:31:49 <Odaym> listView.invalidateViews() is similar to the notifyDataSetchanged call, looping over all the items manually and getting each view from adapter and invalidating it + requestlayout also doesn't work
May 25 19:32:26 <Odaym> I just want it to recalculate the dividers between its items because of leftover space that I have no idea how it got created from a collapse animation
May 25 19:32:30 <ircfox_> Hello folks!
May 25 19:32:42 <Odaym> cause I try to tell the animation, go to -5, it doesnt eat up the space of course cause that's not logical
May 25 19:33:15 <Odaym> so the divider (to the listview) is always going to stay as long as the dataset has that item inside it, so I guess it is directly with the getCount of the adapter, makes dividers for each one
May 25 19:33:44 <Odaym> let me just show you
May 25 19:34:08 <danijoo> fix the animation and not the leftovers from it
May 25 19:34:16 <ircfox_> I have two ListFragments, when I click at the first it shows another ListFragment at the second. The thing is if I keep clicking it keep duplicating adding the result. I wonder how to refresh it at each click?
May 25 19:34:31 <Odaym> it is the leftovers danijoo, what else is the animation supposed to do than to collapse down to height = 0?
May 25 19:34:47 <Odaym> how do you expect it to reach over to beyond what it was given (the view to collapse) and fix that?
May 25 19:35:36 <Odaym> im expecting something not logical to expect because that's just how listview works
May 25 19:36:02 <Odaym> if its dataset has not changed and it has not been notified of the change, the divider is not going to go away
May 25 19:36:13 <Odaym> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19390574/listview_divider_leftovers.mp4
May 25 19:37:32 <charlie_sanders> you guys have any goto libraries that you use when starting a new project ?
May 25 19:39:46 <Odaym> you can do it danijoo !!
May 25 19:39:54 <Odaym> plaaaz
May 25 19:40:00 <g00s> "British poo-powered bus sets speed record" :D
May 25 19:41:11 <danijoo> just call notifyDatasetchanged..
May 25 19:41:36 <Odaym> no man, see the snackbar below, it has undo, if that is pressed I expand the item and the deletion code doesnt run
May 25 19:41:50 <Odaym> so if I call notifydatasetchanged when the item collapses, you will cause it to reappear
May 25 19:42:00 <Odaym> cause i havent deleted it yet
May 25 19:42:09 <danijoo> then delete it :p
May 25 19:42:25 <Odaym> you cant achieve undo like that
May 25 19:42:27 <Odaym> it will fuck up
May 25 19:42:40 <danijoo> yours is already fucked up lo
May 25 19:42:49 <danijoo> make an undo stack
May 25 19:42:51 <danijoo> dunno.
May 25 19:42:57 <Odaym> you dont need that
May 25 19:43:09 <Odaym> see what Gmail does when you delete item after item
May 25 19:43:11 <Odaym> not in batch
May 25 19:43:17 <Odaym> this is the same behavior
May 25 19:43:46 <Odaym> nvm
May 25 19:44:25 <danijoo> i think gmail just keeps the view
May 25 19:44:39 <Odaym> they do not re-add the item man
May 25 19:44:40 <Odaym> im sure
May 25 19:44:46 <danijoo> its a custom view where they swap the item view with the undo view
May 25 19:44:51 <Odaym> because the only reason to not keep the view is to avoid this thing
May 25 19:45:14 <Odaym> im talking about deleting from the Contact circle
May 25 19:45:17 <Odaym> not from the swiping
May 25 19:46:24 <danijoo> ok
May 25 19:46:32 <Odaym> I guess they CAN actually delete it, I mean its not like it's an OMG hack
May 25 19:46:37 <Odaym> ...
May 25 19:46:55 <Odaym> you still have the item and you can still add at position and all of that
May 25 19:47:33 <Odaym> because this issue idoesnt make sense to be a problem, its wrong design i guess
May 25 19:49:36 <ircfox_> I have two ListFragments, when I click at the first it shows another ListFragment at the second. The thing is if I keep clicking it keep duplicating adding the result. I wonder how to refresh it at each click?
May 25 19:52:27 <ircfox_> OnClickItemListener it grabs a ListFragment and places at the other half of the screen. But if I click again it repeats the content. And so forth...
May 25 19:53:54 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  Can you pastebin?
May 25 19:54:38 <Odaym> you know man, I can just make my own separator
May 25 19:54:46 <Odaym> gmail is not the same use case as this issue
May 25 19:55:07 <Odaym> should stop regurgitating here too
May 25 19:56:27 <Ashiren> yes, youll make your own separator, with blackjack and hookers
May 25 19:57:28 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: I think I will clear the List.
May 25 19:58:43 <dragorn> ircfox_, how to make list 1 update list 2?  Update the content of list2 and issue a notifyDataSetChanged to list2's adapter
May 25 20:01:34 <ircfox_> dragorn: where can I read more about it?
May 25 20:02:36 <dragorn> either the adapter docs or google, I don't have any direct links, but that's how listviews work - if you want to change the data, you change whatever the backing is and give the afapter a notifydatasetchanged to tell it to refresh
May 25 20:05:52 <ircfox_> dragorn: ok, thank you! :D
May 25 20:06:38 <dragorn> ircfox_, just remember that if you're using an arrayadapter you probbaly want to do array.clear() and then repopulate - dont' make a new array, the adapter will hold a reference to the old one and it'll be sad.
May 25 20:11:49 <DadFoundMy> so this game i was comisioned to do for a friend shares the same with with like 4 other apps on the play store
May 25 20:12:01 <DadFoundMy> good luck getting any downloads
May 25 20:12:49 <TacticalJoke> The same what?
May 25 20:13:00 <DadFoundMy> oops, i meant name
May 25 20:13:00 <danijoo> source maybe :D
May 25 20:13:13 <DadFoundMy> search 4digits on the play store, its like the third result
May 25 20:23:39 <TacticalJoke> lol danijoo
May 25 20:31:28 <Afzal> is there a way to have a private maven repo? (like with a token or something)
May 25 20:32:10 <pfn> yes
May 25 20:32:20 <Afzal> but not self-hosted? :p
May 25 20:32:27 <Afzal> and free
May 25 20:32:44 <pfn> no
May 25 20:32:59 <Afzal> :( lol which one is no?
May 25 20:36:48 <Chainfire> the default MD5 implementation in Android is painfully slow
May 25 20:37:27 <Chainfire> can't believe it's not actually calling native code
May 25 20:37:47 <Chainfire> (seeing as there's about a dozen native MD5 implementation littered across AOSP)
May 25 20:39:03 <Odaym> I did reijndal encryption when a simple MD5 was needed
May 25 20:39:15 <Odaym> copypastaaa
May 25 20:46:16 <pfn> Chainfire, yeah, it's all bouncy castle
May 25 20:47:06 <Chainfire> aye
May 25 20:47:18 <pfn> I tried to write my own cipher streams, I failed
May 25 20:47:29 <Chainfire> too slow for practical file validation where MD5 is often used... md5sum binary is about 10x faster
May 25 20:48:31 <Chainfire> need to make a jni lib for this, but I'm having a hard time putting myself to it because... boring stuff is boring
May 25 20:48:49 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/ndk-aes/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/AesEngine.scala
May 25 20:49:03 <pfn> copypasta
May 25 20:49:09 <Chainfire> scala?
May 25 20:49:58 <g00s> i've seen md5 implemented with openCL,  does it make sense in renderscript compute ?
May 25 20:50:51 <pfn> Chainfire, I only do scala as much as possiblr
May 25 20:51:10 <Chainfire> g00s that's beyond my paygrade
May 25 20:51:22 <pfn> my AES implementation in renderscript sucked, since I was calling into renderscript per block
May 25 20:51:27 <pfn> which was stupidly slow
May 25 20:52:00 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/rs-aes/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/RenderscriptAESEngine.scala
May 25 20:52:10 <Thorn> scala in android? any problems?
May 25 20:52:22 <pfn> Chainfire, er, I do only scala in android as much as possible
May 25 20:52:26 <pfn> Thorn, no
May 25 20:52:43 <Chainfire> what draws you in about scala? (I've never used it)
May 25 20:52:59 <pfn> basically, I only do java when I get paid for it
May 25 20:53:20 <pfn> Chainfire, a practically Turing complete type system
May 25 20:53:47 <Thorn> no way to add listeners the scala way (without anonymous classes)?
May 25 20:53:57 <pfn> Chainfire, and strong support for functional programming concepts
May 25 20:54:11 <pfn> Thorn, add extension functions as necessary
May 25 20:55:13 <g00s> pfn have you worked on any scala projects with large team? i hear once of the negatives of scala is everybody comes to the table with their own dialect which causes readability problems
May 25 20:55:26 <g00s> thats what bruce eckel mentioned anyhow
May 25 20:56:11 <pfn> g00s, more or less, yes, and mostly every comes with different levels of experience
May 25 20:56:35 <adq> <g00s> i've seen md5 implemented with openCL,  does it make sense in renderscript compute ? <- why wouldn't it make sense?
May 25 20:56:46 <pfn> more rope to hang yourself with, doesn't make it bad to work with
May 25 20:56:56 <g00s> adq i dunno, thats why i was asking :)
May 25 20:57:02 <adq> :p
May 25 20:57:13 <Thorn> what about scala support in android studio? I think there was a very early idea plugin last time I looked
May 25 20:57:19 <adq> one case where it does not make sense, is when each computed value are dependent of a previous one
May 25 20:57:24 <adq> you cannot parallelize in this case
May 25 20:57:27 <pfn> I don't use android studio
May 25 20:57:33 <adq> since you have to wait the previous result to compute the next one
May 25 20:57:42 <adq> but it's rarely the case, so many operations can be //ized
May 25 20:57:45 <pfn> but it's possible to use android studio fine
May 25 20:58:00 <pfn> there's a scala plugin for gradle
May 25 20:58:34 <adq> g00s, i would love more ppl using renderscript (and not for blur an image), as pfn did recently with aes port per exampel (even if not efficient)
May 25 20:58:43 <Thorn> looks somewhat like swift but without all the ?!?! lol
May 25 20:58:46 <adq> cause i suspect it's under developed because of the lack of audience ;'
May 25 20:59:31 <pfn> adq, I'm rewriting my rs experiment into ndk currently, but rewriting at a higher level
May 25 20:59:49 <zinx> never ended up writing anything in scala, but it looked ok to me, which is not entirely common as far as alternative languages go
May 25 21:00:10 <adq> noice
May 25 21:00:53 <zinx> i was lookin in to java-based frameworks a while back (friend wanted java-based due to his background experience) and decided Play! was the only one worth considering :/
May 25 21:01:08 <zinx> and in particular, Lift was absolutely not worth considering for anyone period
May 25 21:01:10 <zinx> ;-D
May 25 21:01:21 <Thorn> spring is not too bad
May 25 21:01:48 <pfn> spring is terrible
May 25 21:02:04 <zinx> yeah, he had experience with spring.  i wanted something lighter and less red tape
May 25 21:02:36 <pfn> there's a couple things I like from spring, but none of it framework
May 25 21:02:44 <adq> i did a few groovy/spring, was not fun to introduce one additional layer in between of many
May 25 21:02:57 <pfn> it was great when it was able to flatten j2ee into just servlets
May 25 21:03:06 <adq> maybe it was because there were websphere along side :p
May 25 21:03:09 <zinx> anyway, never ended up starting on the project
May 25 21:03:12 <pfn> that was it's only selling point
May 25 21:03:21 <zinx> and he's having a blast working at google now :)
May 25 21:03:33 <pfn> anyway, scala on android is quite mature
May 25 21:03:50 <pfn> works well from android studio, gradle, sbt and intellij
May 25 21:03:59 <pfn> I only use intellij though
May 25 21:04:29 <g00s> spring like any technology has to be evaluated in the context that it arose from; at the time it was amazing compared to the JEE stuff. it was the first DI container i used. Like any tech, years later, things are learned and we're like (oh, thats terrible).
May 25 21:04:44 <g00s> i'm sure 20 years from now we will look at all this stuff, the same way
May 25 21:04:58 <fancy42> the gradle editor of my android studio is incredibly slow. does anybody have experience with this? it freezes after every character stroke i do..
May 25 21:05:01 <zinx> yeah, i don't know that i would choose Play! now; i would have to look at everything again.
May 25 21:05:19 <adq> fancy42, anything in android studio is slow :'
May 25 21:05:26 <adq> i exagerate a bit, of course
May 25 21:05:37 <adq> but i'm not happy :'
May 25 21:05:48 <zinx> just get a dual octocore system with 1TB of ram and SSD and you'll be good
May 25 21:05:51 <Thorn> I remember reading something like "scala generates lots of .class files which the android vm hates blablabla". wonder if there's any merit in it
May 25 21:06:03 <fancy42> adq, thanks :D by now i'm doing the typing in a normal text editor and copy it into the gradle script
May 25 21:06:11 <zinx> Thorn: android does have limits on number of methods
May 25 21:06:18 <adq> lol
May 25 21:06:49 <adq> by the way pfn, what did you use to have code completion, colors & stuff with renderscript in Android Studio?
May 25 21:06:58 <adq> (i have to use another editor atm)
May 25 21:08:40 <fancy42> does AS actually benefit a lot from better hardware? i'm looking for an excuse to buy a new computer anyway :D
May 25 21:09:49 <Thorn> one thing in scala that is weird for me is the = in def foo(...) = { ... }
May 25 21:10:18 <Thorn> another is the difference between def foo = { } and def foo() = { }
May 25 21:11:31 <pfn> adq, intellij does syntax highlighting
May 25 21:11:38 <adq> ahhh
May 25 21:11:46 <adq> you use the C/C++ plugin?
May 25 21:11:54 <adq> (not available on AS last time i checked)
May 25 21:12:38 <yiati> Is there any good resources for learning unit testing with RxJava? I'm kind of new to testing in general so anything resources to get me to being able to unit testing with RxJava would be cool too
May 25 21:12:46 <pfn> no, just whatever is there by default
May 25 21:13:15 <adq> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=164281 was totally ignored
May 25 21:13:29 <pfn> didn't know there is a plugin
May 25 21:13:48 <pfn> might be a default thing in ultimt
May 25 21:13:51 <pfn> ultimate
May 25 21:13:59 <g00s> i noticed 'rate this page' upper right in some docs https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/android/v4/
May 25 21:14:02 * adq rage
May 25 21:14:46 <adq> yeah g00s, even the "last updated" time
May 25 21:15:07 <adq> but like for play games, it's totally not generated the same way the regular API doc is, or seems
May 25 21:15:29 <adq> last updated was present on regular API doc, i think i saw it at some point
May 25 21:50:24 <g00s> JesusFreke but can it handle unicycles :D http://digg.com/video/the-way-they-park-bicycles-in-japan-is-awesome
May 25 21:52:29 <g00s> wonder what happens if somebody tries to get in there along with the bike
May 25 21:52:55 <wakelock> they get stored away of course
May 25 21:53:30 <JesusFreke> their head gets squished by the tire gripper, of course
May 25 21:53:34 <JesusFreke> self correcting problem
May 25 21:53:53 <quinnjn> That's impressive. What's more impressive to me is that Digg still exists.
May 25 21:57:30 <g00s> digg is nice because there are no comments :)
May 25 21:58:05 <g00s> they used to ... but when readership is so varied its probably better just to axe comments, no moderators needed.
May 25 22:06:49 <Dus10> Hello, app newb here.  I am looking for some resources on learning how to make cross-platform apps.  Any places to get started?  I don't want to be tied to a specific platform, if possible, but understand that parts of the app may have to be platform specific.
May 25 22:07:56 <g00s> if its a game, use a cross platform game engine; if its ios / android / wp then i guess try to do as much in c as you can
May 25 22:08:35 <Dus10> not a game... it could actually be mostly web-based with the exception of needing to interact with the device's camera
May 25 22:09:07 <wakelock> um, wouldn't C be the least portable option? I mean C itself is indeed portable but the various APIs are as incompatible as can be
May 25 22:09:14 <g00s> camera = good luck
May 25 22:09:59 <wakelock> doesn't that cordoba offer javascript (or whatever) access to device features?
May 25 22:10:20 <Dus10> I am truly a newb, so I really couldn't say
May 25 22:10:21 <g00s> Dus10 there are 2 parts , here is the first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HROqnw-nf4
May 25 22:10:28 <Dus10> thanks
May 25 22:10:45 <g00s> or yeah, use something like cordova yuck
May 25 22:10:50 <Dus10> yikes... C++
May 25 22:10:58 <Dus10> that is a little more than I bargained for
May 25 22:11:17 <wakelock> looks like you're quite over your head
May 25 22:11:17 <Dus10> maybe I could hire someone to write the phone specific portions
May 25 22:11:32 <wakelock> not the best idea going into portable straight away if you're a noob
May 25 22:12:16 <wakelock> oh oops... yeah I meant cordova, lol
May 25 22:12:19 <wakelock> whatever it's called :p
May 25 22:12:42 <Dus10> I have tinkered with C++, but that has been over a decade ago... wrote an engine for mod-rewrite to work with MySQL tables and a file-socket to save text written to it to database table
May 25 22:12:47 <Dus10> that is about it with C++
May 25 22:13:08 <Dus10> most of it could be HTML 5
May 25 22:13:15 <Dus10> with JavaScript
May 25 22:13:22 <wakelock> that's the worst and ugliest way to do apps...
May 25 22:13:28 <Dus10> and then backend coding in PHP or something
May 25 22:13:36 <wakelock> but if you're a noob and if portability is truly an imperative...
May 25 22:13:41 <Dus10> well, this app I would want to be web-based, too
May 25 22:13:52 <wakelock> doesn't matter
May 25 22:13:57 <wakelock> web is web, apps are apps
May 25 22:14:00 <wakelock> at least generally
May 25 22:14:47 <Dus10> Well, it quite literally is just really going to be some images linked in various ways
May 25 22:15:07 <Dus10> and I want it to be available via the web, too
May 25 22:15:54 <Dus10> Just a menu when some main level images, and then image map links to other images
May 25 22:16:02 <Dus10> that's it
May 25 22:16:22 <Dus10> and then the ability to add new images tied to coords on the main level images
May 25 22:17:17 <tjbiddle> Hey guys. Is there really not a native way to do this? I'm trying to get the file path of a photo chosen from ACTION_GET_CONTENT. Everything I look for keeps coming up with results that I need to add in a whole utility class to do all this garbage just to get one string.
May 25 22:17:19 <wakelock> um ok
May 25 22:17:28 <tjbiddle> There has to be an easier way, no?
May 25 22:18:09 <charlie_sanders> how can I include just an image ?
May 25 22:18:13 <charlie_sanders> in a LinearLayout
May 25 22:18:13 <wakelock> tjbiddle, it might be that you're oversimplifying it a bit
May 25 22:18:21 <wakelock> who's to say what you get is even a file?
May 25 22:18:35 <wakelock> charlie_sanders, with ImageView of course
May 25 22:18:47 <charlie_sanders> lol, sorry, just saw that
May 25 22:18:57 <tjbiddle> wakelock: What else would they be able to choose? Especially when limiting the results to image files
May 25 22:19:19 <wakelock> content from the media service
May 25 22:19:33 <wakelock> those might be files physically, but that's not what you'll get
May 25 22:20:04 <charlie_sanders> also, how would I include one layout in another ?  I want to abstract out a toolbar that I use on every page
May 25 22:20:16 <wakelock> dude... just read the docs
May 25 22:20:21 <wakelock> those questions are way too trivial
May 25 22:20:37 <charlie_sanders> book recommendations ?
May 25 22:20:39 <wakelock> there are tons and tons of tutorials available
May 25 22:20:46 <wakelock> I said docs.. not books
May 25 22:23:06 <ashwink005> Hey anyone knows how can I join 2 Views together?
May 25 22:23:35 <charlie_sanders> the include tag ?
May 25 22:24:06 <wakelock> wut
May 25 22:24:20 <ashwink005> no no.. I meant if I had one View and one more, how can I make them behave as if they are "attached" to each other
May 25 22:24:36 <wakelock> that doesn't make much sense
May 25 22:24:42 <ashwink005> lol
May 25 22:25:00 <ashwink005> eg a floating actionbar and a slideup layout
May 25 22:25:21 <ashwink005> *floating action button
May 25 22:25:31 <wakelock> if they are two views they are two views
May 25 22:25:37 <wakelock> there is no "joining" views
May 25 22:25:48 <wakelock> you can put them in a common viewgroup and then work with that
May 25 22:26:13 <ashwink005> I'm using a VIewDragHelper. It can drag only one View at a time
May 25 22:26:28 <danijoo> drag the viewgroup then
May 25 22:27:12 <ashwink005> wouldn't that increase the hierarchy tree size?
May 25 22:27:27 <danijoo> yes
May 25 22:27:31 <ashwink005> is there no way to simplify it?
May 25 22:27:35 <danijoo> so what ? ^^
May 25 22:27:41 <ashwink005> :/
May 25 22:27:45 <danijoo> thats simplyfing it
May 25 22:28:04 <wakelock> this *is* simple, you're overcomplicating it by trying to trivialize it
May 25 22:28:12 <danijoo> ^ this
May 25 22:28:29 <ashwink005> hmmm.. I'm optimizing before even beginning..
May 25 22:28:34 <ashwink005> sheesh
May 25 22:28:41 <wakelock> yes, and for no good reason too
May 25 22:29:15 <ashwink005> hehe Thanks guys :)
May 25 22:37:08 <sc00ty> In the youtube app, opening the menu and switching betwen "What to watch", "My Subscriptions", "Uploads", etc... it seems like it's all within the same activity. I'm curious if this is the case and how I would accomplish it
May 25 22:39:20 <zivester> is the moto g worth buying for android dev?  or do people usually just test on an emulator/their own phone?
May 25 22:42:09 <danijoo> sc00ty, fragments
May 25 22:42:45 <charlie_sanders> hmm, is there a good doc and graceful degredation for android ?  I want to be able to enable things on versions > X, is that possible ?
May 25 22:43:42 <danijoo> charlie_sanders, if(Build.VERSION.SDK_INT >= 21) ....
May 25 22:43:56 <sc00ty> danijoo: alright, thats what I've been using but I have been putting every 'screen' in it's own activity which was making keeping a chromecast instance difficult
May 25 22:44:17 <danijoo> sc00ty, you did one fragment for each activity?
May 25 22:44:56 <sc00ty> Right now I have my root activity which launches one of two types of 'managers', and the managers are made up of a lot of the same fragments
May 25 22:45:10 <sc00ty> The managers are currently separate activities
May 25 22:45:29 <danijoo> if you want you can put the whole app in one activity
May 25 22:45:51 <danijoo> google usually goes with design patterns like that
May 25 22:45:58 <danijoo> they use very less activitys.
May 25 22:46:02 <danijoo> im not a fan of that
May 25 22:46:05 <sc00ty> i see
May 25 22:46:19 <danijoo> for me its different purpose -> different activity
May 25 22:47:10 <g00s> zivester i would get one, but i'm curious how long dex2oat takes on lower end HW
May 25 22:50:45 <zivester> cool, just picked one up... can't believe u can get a full smartphone for $25
May 25 22:51:20 <g00s> oh did you get the VZ prepaid one?
May 25 22:52:18 <zivester> yah, just want one to mess with.. maybe use a media remote as well
May 25 23:05:12 <SupaHam> https://gist.github.com/04bd1f0506b7b1b9b3fe how come even after setting the intent-filter this still won't loadup as default?
May 25 23:16:19 <yiati> Is there a convention for a mock uri?
May 25 23:16:23 <yiati> mock:// ?
May 25 23:22:53 <AlexBerdnikov> Hi guys. I have a question about RecyclerView.ViewHolder. Google training article https://developer.android.com/training/material/lists-cards.html says that views of every ViewHolder object must contain links to the UI elements of this ViewHolder. My question is why? What for ViewHolder object must have member fileds linking to the UI elements?
May 25 23:24:46 <Afzal> AlexBerdnikov hold off till google IO, EVERYTHING is gonna change again!! :p
May 25 23:24:49 <Afzal> (jk)
May 25 23:25:32 <AlexBerdnikov> OK, it was lame question, and to understand it I should have asked it here :)
May 25 23:25:43 <Afzal> AlexBerdnikov viewHolder, as it suggests is a class that holds reference to the Views, ie. the UI elements
May 25 23:25:55 <Afzal> it's a performance pattern for adapters
May 25 23:26:22 <AlexBerdnikov> Yes, I see that I should use them in onBindViewHolder ...
May 25 23:26:27 <TacticalJoke> Oh gawd, that code is so lame: `ViewHolder vh = new ViewHolder(v); return vh;`
May 25 23:26:44 <Afzal> TacticalJoke what's wrong with that?
May 25 23:27:03 <wabz> I think he wants it on one line return new ViewHolder(v)
May 25 23:27:14 <Afzal> oh lol
May 25 23:27:24 <AlexBerdnikov> I just didn't understand where it has to be accessed directly, like not with accessor methods or something...
May 25 23:27:29 <Afzal> I hate writing return new ...
May 25 23:27:56 <Afzal> AlexBerdnikov getters are going out of fashion :p
May 25 23:28:09 <AlexBerdnikov> LOL
May 25 23:28:10 <Afzal> unless it's supposed to be a private variable for some reason
May 25 23:28:31 <TacticalJoke> You can use accessors if you want to.
May 25 23:29:45 <TacticalJoke> People just tend not to in simple 'data'/'holder' classes.
May 25 23:30:21 <AlexBerdnikov> Thank you guys!
May 25 23:31:00 <TacticalJoke> AlexBerdnikov:  On a side note, a lot of that training code is not well written.
May 25 23:31:09 <TacticalJoke> I think some of it is written by interns.
May 25 23:32:10 <AlexBerdnikov> TacticalJoke, I'm new to Android development, but I noticed that from the very beginning... Sometimes there might be errors, sometimes code might be unclear or not full etc.
May 25 23:32:11 <Afzal> hahaha
May 25 23:32:25 <AlexBerdnikov> Sometimes outdated
May 25 23:32:27 <Afzal> Commonsware's book is pretty damn useful as a reference
May 25 23:32:31 <Afzal> I wish it was a website though
May 25 23:37:40 <t0astt> what's the easiest way to implement callbacks on a method?
May 25 23:43:50 <TacticalJoke> t0astt:  It just boils down to that method calling some other method.
May 25 23:45:10 <TacticalJoke> Perhaps that method has an instance of something on which to call a particular method.
May 25 23:53:02 <t0astt> Even if I create my own method? Say I have a method, void fetchArticles(), and fetchArticles() has a callback for after articles have been fetched, maybe to do some GUI work. Would that still just be calling a method inside my method?
May 25 23:53:41 <gpyh> hi
May 25 23:55:50 <gpyh> I'm toying with Fragments and I use the replace method to swap fragments. Then, I call setVisibility(VISIBLE) on the parent view (it was previously gone) and I notice some "lag". Indeed, although the methods are called in the right order, the parent view is set visible slightly before the fragment is completely replaced. Is there a way to synchronize those tasks?
May 26 00:00:35 <canvs2321> t0astt, i think the jist is, if you are doing fetchArticles on another thread, just make sure you have a communication channel to the ui thread to call once completed. There are many ways to setup that communication,simple is just using a handler.others use libraries specific for communication between stuff
May 26 00:00:55 <Sixmsj> anyone know how to use ffmpeg with android? i’ve got it built and working but not sure how to use it with android’s filesystem. do i just pass in an android filepath to the -i input parameter?
May 26 00:02:13 <t0astt> Ah ok, I think I'll check out the Handler. Completely forgot about that for callbacks. Thanks canvs2321, that was a huge help
May 26 00:05:28 <ferdna> i need help.... my emulators won't run anymore...
May 26 00:05:34 <ferdna> i just get a black screen
May 26 00:05:40 <ferdna> and stays there..
May 26 00:05:48 <ferdna> no "android" letters logo or anything
May 26 00:05:59 <TacticalJoke> gpyh:  I seem to remember fragment transactions being added to the *end* of the message queue, but I could be mistaken.
May 26 00:06:49 <gpyh> TacticalJoke: it seems you're right ; executePendingTransactions called right after a commit seems to do the trick
May 26 00:07:04 <TacticalJoke> gpyh:  Why are you changing visiblity here?  Aren't fragment transactions sufficient?
May 26 00:09:55 <gpyh> TacticalJoke: My activity swings back on forth between two states ; each of them have their particular layout so when one is visible the other is gone. The fragment only belongs in one of those. I wish I could destroy the fragment put as it is dynamically loaded it doesn't have a tag or id so I can't find it through the fragment manager ; plus, replace does this really well.
May 26 00:09:59 <gpyh> and*
May 26 00:10:48 <gpyh> but*
May 26 00:16:52 <pfn> if you switch view visibility, you might as well leave the fragment permanently attached
May 26 00:17:02 <pfn> no reason  to detach and show it again
May 26 00:19:15 <gpyh> pfn: it stays attached, it just that it is replaced with every cycle to show something else, hence the problem of synchronisation. Information of the previous cycle could linger to the next.
May 26 00:19:31 <pfn> huh
May 26 00:41:35 <Milos> Does anyone know how to get adb logcat from within an android app?
May 26 00:47:21 <bhans> Milos: install terminal
May 26 00:47:42 <Milos> so I need to execute logcat from the app?
May 26 00:47:47 <Milos> the android app, rather
May 26 00:47:52 <Milos> that I am intending to build
May 26 00:47:57 <bhans> ahh android app
May 26 00:48:00 <bhans> tl;dr
May 26 00:48:01 <bhans> haha
May 26 00:48:04 <Milos> according to this
May 26 00:48:07 <Milos> https://code.google.com/p/alogcat/source/browse/trunk/src/org/jtb/alogcat/Logcat.java
May 26 00:48:17 <Milos> it seems to just run logcat and filter in the app itself
May 26 00:48:53 <bhans> yes Milos
May 26 00:49:44 <Milos> great
May 26 00:54:45 <SupaHam> Hey, I have a share intent thing, it does its getIntent() check onCreate(), but when the user rotates their device (transforming into a landscape view), it keeps uploading again and again, how can I stop this?
May 26 00:56:17 <bhans> SupaHam: handle it in your onConfigurationChanged event
May 26 00:57:03 <SupaHam> bhans, handle what exactly? The getIntent() stuff, will that get fired when the user clicks on the share icon?
May 26 00:57:31 <SupaHam> Or does that event get called when the device rotates?
May 26 00:58:16 <bhans> when you rotate it, it calls onConfigurationChanged and calls onCreate/onResume
May 26 00:58:28 <SupaHam> Ohh alright, thank you very much
May 26 00:58:36 <bhans> SupaHam: here is more detailed: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
May 26 01:10:21 <DadFoundMy> i wanted to put one of my apps on f-droid but tbh they dont make it very easy
May 26 01:10:30 <DadFoundMy> wrong channel but ig uess its somewhat revelvant
May 26 01:35:13 <djMax> Anybody know how to pass arguments to JUnit for android tests via gradle?
May 26 01:42:52 <zivester> hello world app.. what would cause the action bar menu to not appear?
May 26 01:49:52 <DadFoundMy> zivester: are yo uextending ActionBarActivity?
May 26 01:52:23 <zivester> hah... oh, I changed that because it told me that it was deprecated... ahh.. I think its been replaced with AppCompatActivity
May 26 01:52:37 <zivester> now its working... thanks
May 26 01:52:54 <DadFoundMy> it is deprecated i think idk the better way tho
May 26 01:59:43 <hert> editText has setText is there an equivalent for spinner?
May 26 02:03:50 <g00s> interesting, looks like the apple might skip broadwell for MBPs. wonder if MS will do same with Surface
May 26 02:06:40 <g00s> and MS among others to buy BB http://www.pc-tablet.co.in/2015/05/24/9107/microsoft-corporation-reportedly-plans-acquire-blackberry-limited/
May 26 02:13:44 <canvs2321> hert, you set an adapter
May 26 02:14:05 <g00s> "No nexus tablet in 2015" even google gave up on tablets
May 26 02:18:10 <TacticalJoke> The next phone will be so big the tablet won't even be needed.
May 26 02:18:45 <tjbiddle> Hey all. I started using https://github.com/afollestad/material-dialogs and once I did, my Actionbar icon that opens my navigation drawer is getting overwritten and becoming an arrow.
May 26 02:18:45 <SirLagz> TacticalJoke: that's already happened. My phone is bigger than my kid's Android Tablet :P
May 26 02:18:48 <tjbiddle> Any idea what's going on?
May 26 02:19:06 <g00s> TacticalJoke maybe 2 nexus phones (5.2 & 5.7) kinda lame
May 26 02:19:27 <tjbiddle> It's strictly from the gradle import - I don't even have any code that's using the library
May 26 02:21:35 <tjbiddle> Huh. Oh well. Just made a call to setHomeAsUpIndicator and set it again.
May 26 02:21:41 * tjbiddle shrugs
May 26 02:25:07 <_genuser_> yo yo code monkeez!
May 26 02:43:07 <drose379> Guys im thinking about having one activity that has holds multiple fragments containers
May 26 02:43:12 <drose379> But only shows one at a time, full screen
May 26 02:43:20 <drose379> Does that sound like a good idea?
May 26 02:44:23 <pfn> sounds fine
May 26 02:44:29 <paulo_> I now have 1k downloads per day, yet my top review is a one star. Is this normal?
May 26 02:44:36 <pfn> no
May 26 02:45:16 <paulo_> i keep reading websites that tell me not ro rely on reviews
May 26 02:45:28 <paulo_> it's an average of 4.4 stars.
May 26 02:45:42 <drose379> paulo_ whats the app?
May 26 02:45:47 <paulo_> but yeah, "most helpful" review is a one tar.
May 26 02:46:07 <paulo_> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pinoyai.pusoydosai
May 26 02:46:20 <paulo_> It complains about the AI being weak, which is no longer the case.
May 26 02:46:47 <paulo_> The game's difficulty is very dependent on the cards given to you.
May 26 02:47:01 <_genuser_> paulo_: nope.
May 26 02:47:22 <paulo_> And the app is designed so that the player can easily create new games (i.e. given new cards)
May 26 02:47:41 <paulo_> So the game can be made easy by choosing good cards.
May 26 02:47:52 <paulo_> I think that's where this "AI is weak" is coming from.
May 26 02:48:06 <drose379> paulo_ could it be that your not properly describing how to play the game?
May 26 02:48:13 <drose379> I remember opening the app up and being completeley lost
May 26 02:48:27 <drose379> I know you said everyone from where you are plays, but maybe some aernt sure
May 26 02:48:54 <paulo_> drose379: My target market are the people who know how to play. I don't intend to teach the game.
May 26 02:49:11 <drose379> So people may be giving bad reviews because they dont know how to play
May 26 02:49:43 <paulo_> drose37918: no, the review specifially says the AI is bad
May 26 02:50:08 <drose379> Hmm
May 26 02:50:57 <paulo_> idk how to deal with it. I
May 26 02:51:06 <paulo_> *I'm worried it may affect the downloads.
May 26 02:51:08 <_genuser_>  reach out the reviewer and ask them in what way was it bad. and ask them to at least move up the review a little to help you maintain app quality
May 26 02:51:11 <_genuser_> while you address the issue.
May 26 02:51:43 <_genuser_> people will bump the review by a star just because teh dev is responsive..
May 26 02:53:07 <paulo_> I have people telling me the app is addictive, though.
May 26 02:53:11 <paulo_> I play it myself.
May 26 02:53:46 <drose379> Thats not the point here paulo_
May 26 02:54:31 <paulo_> the reviewer also mentions a crash when the game exits
May 26 02:54:36 <paulo_> I never experienced that
May 26 02:54:43 <paulo_> & I'm getting no crash reports.
May 26 02:55:15 <gpyh> paulo_: ask people who enjoyed the game to leave a review
May 26 02:55:17 <_genuser_> what's teh game. can I look it up?
May 26 02:55:26 <paulo_> I posted a link above
May 26 02:55:31 <Ferdroid> hey
May 26 02:55:49 <gpyh> people tend to be vocal when they're disappointed ; they rarely commit when they're "only" satisfied
May 26 02:55:50 <paulo_> ok, I'll make one of those popups that ask users to leave revies
May 26 02:56:36 <_genuser_> ok, so I have to scroll up?
May 26 02:56:37 <_genuser_> argh!
May 26 02:56:43 <gpyh> paulo_: be careful with this, I know it annoys me greatly when I see it more than twice.
May 26 02:56:47 <_genuser_> ok, see it.
May 26 02:56:51 <paulo_> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pinoyai.pusoydosai
May 26 02:57:22 <aspire> paulo_ did you write that app
May 26 02:57:29 <Ferdroid> what does you guys think is the best way to do a better ux/ui usability
May 26 02:57:33 <_genuser_> pfft, you have 21 5 stars. overall 4.4 out of 5.
May 26 02:57:36 <_genuser_> you're doing fine.
May 26 02:57:39 <paulo_> aspire: yes.
May 26 02:58:03 <paulo_> I'll work on the UI if I get paid enough. I'll hire a designer.
May 26 02:58:03 <aspire> paulo_ how much money did you make off this app
May 26 02:58:04 <_genuser_> just my opinion. there will always be people who don't like something. 4.4/5 is not bad.
May 26 02:59:04 <paulo_> _genuser_: what bothers me is that the Most Helful review is this review, the one with the demanding complaints
May 26 02:59:27 <drose379> Guys im having issues with Camera intent
May 26 02:59:39 <gpyh> that's a usual pattern in the play store
May 26 02:59:50 <drose379> Sometimes it grabs the photo, and other times it just stops and goes back to the activity without giving the image
May 26 02:59:50 <gpyh> that review is also the longest
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