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May 26 03:00:19 <gpyh> people that leave 4 or 5 stars rarely go in length about the quality of an application, especially when it's a known game
May 26 03:00:19 <drose379> Any other way to use the camera within the app besides MediaStore.Action_image_capture
May 26 03:00:22 <_genuser_> paulo_: that's good. he wants to provide valid/useful input. reach out to him and tell him sorry he had a bad time. you'll look into it. and if he wouldn't mind raising the review a little so other's arent' scared of it.
May 26 03:00:31 <_genuser_> paulo_: if not, just try to address the issues.
May 26 03:01:00 <_genuser_> drose379: are you launching stock camera with an intent?
May 26 03:01:06 <drose379> Yes
May 26 03:01:23 <paulo_> aspire: suprisingly little money. but I hope I get more as the install base increases.
May 26 03:01:23 <drose379> Intent i = new Intent(MediaStore.Action_image_capture)
May 26 03:01:29 <gpyh> apparently paulo_ answered ; the guy asked for an update and the response was something like "commit in a few hours". Personnaly I wouldn't be scared.
May 26 03:01:36 <drose379> It works like 90% of the time
May 26 03:02:19 <_genuser_> gpyh: paulo_ yeah, then the guy is using his one vote to scare you. meh. wouldn't care that much.
May 26 03:02:42 <paulo_> gpyh: I did actually. I pushed an update, fixing a major (but simple) AI bug, he edited the review with "AI still weak"
May 26 03:03:03 <g00s> lol
May 26 03:03:30 <g00s> i think developers have to expect stupid responses based on the demographic they target
May 26 03:03:34 <gpyh> paulo_: Then he might be an asshole ; stay gentle and ask for specifics. Beyond that only good and detaled review can help
May 26 03:03:47 <gpyh> detailed review*
May 26 03:03:53 <g00s> if you are writing a game, the average shmo will be a moron
May 26 03:04:16 <_genuser_> +1 for use of schmo and moron in the same sentence.
May 26 03:04:20 <g00s> this is the case with most consumer facing apps
May 26 03:04:33 <gpyh> g00s: and that's only one guy on 29.
May 26 03:04:41 <drose379> Sorry _genuser_ my comp crashed
May 26 03:04:53 <drose379> But as I was saying, the camera intent works like 90 percent of the tinme
May 26 03:05:02 <_genuser_> plus lot of samsung phones are customzied to the point that they'll crash on a lot of apps that work fine normally.
May 26 03:05:08 <gpyh> heading out, bb everyone
May 26 03:05:32 <_genuser_> drose379: the way I did it in my app was to just create a surface view and initiate the camera myself. haven't had an image capture drop ever in all my testing on multiple devices.
May 26 03:06:02 <drose379> So the camera view is inside the activity layout?
May 26 03:06:08 <drose379> (Never used surfaceview)
May 26 03:08:15 <drose379> _genuser_ so you basically created your own mini camera application?
May 26 03:08:48 <_genuser_> drose379: my own fullblown camera app. just because I thought it would be cumbersome for users to have external camera come up constantly.
May 26 03:09:00 <drose379> You did?
May 26 03:09:25 <drose379> Was that your whole app? Or just you needed camera functionality so you did this?
May 26 03:09:45 <_genuser_> drose379: mostly, just to take a picture, save it. but additionally, adjust flash (on/off/auto), and playing with extras now: show image sizes, focus mode, scene mode in a selection box to the user.
May 26 03:10:00 <_genuser_> those are kinda irrelevant for my main app's purpose. I just thought it would be fun playing with those.
May 26 03:10:12 <drose379> Ok, cool
May 26 03:10:22 <drose379> And is this its own activity?
May 26 03:10:29 <drose379> You said its in a SurfaceView?
May 26 03:10:32 <_genuser_> drose379: the app is a big expense report submission idea. Where you can take pictures of receipts and submit them with an expense report, etc. And view pictures that are stored (that are receipts)
May 26 03:10:59 <drose379> Thats cool _genuser_
May 26 03:11:05 <_genuser_> drose379: I built it from this link in a day (to get basic shell working).
May 26 03:11:27 <_genuser_> drose379: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html#custom-camera
May 26 03:11:44 <drose379> Thanks, but whats the surfaceview?
May 26 03:11:57 <drose379> whyd you pick that
May 26 03:12:06 <_genuser_> drose379: it says it's deprecated and the new one is camera2 but that's only in lollipop. I figure you have another major upgrade before you have to worry about it.
May 26 03:12:53 <drose379> SurfaceView?
May 26 03:13:04 <_genuser_> drose379: I think the overall code to get it going is on there. I just remember surfaceview for soem reason. let me look at the code to see what I"m using it for.
May 26 03:13:12 <drose379> Ok
May 26 03:13:14 <drose379> Thnaks
May 26 03:13:20 <_genuser_> np
May 26 03:16:35 <_genuser_> drose379: ok, my mistake. I am not using surfaceview. I used the FrameLayout in it's place. just as the example shows in the link.
May 26 03:16:44 <drose379> Ok
May 26 03:17:08 <_genuser_> I remember surfaceview, because of the note that says, you can use VideoView SurfaceView or whatever else you like.
May 26 03:18:06 <drose379> It says to use a SurfaceView to have a preview before the user takes photo
May 26 03:18:17 <drose379> I guess you could use anything though
May 26 03:18:31 <_genuser_> yep, you can use the framelayout  or linearlayout.
May 26 03:19:02 <drose379> So you created a whole new application for this?
May 26 03:19:21 <drose379> And opened up the application when the user wants to take a photo?
May 26 03:19:25 <drose379> Or just an activity?
May 26 03:20:37 <_genuser_> drose379: in the grand scheme of things, it's just one part of the app. The user opens the app, logs in, (create new expense, view existing expense), for an expense report, they can take pictures of the their receipts, that's where the camera comes in.
May 26 03:20:52 <drose379> Ok how do you access the camera?
May 26 03:20:53 <_genuser_> launch an activity. onCreate, it sets up the preview just like the link shows.
May 26 03:21:10 <drose379> Ok so its just an activity
May 26 03:21:16 <_genuser_> how to access the camera: copy/paste code from that link. It actually walks you thru the entire process.
May 26 03:21:32 <_genuser_> yeah, it's a regular activity with a Layout that you provide to the camera api to use for rendering the live preview.
May 26 03:21:42 <drose379> Then a shutter button?
May 26 03:21:54 <drose379> Then are you left with a file? or a path to the image?
May 26 03:21:55 <_genuser_> yeah, anybutton with a shutter image will do, right?
May 26 03:22:34 <_genuser_> you provide an object to the camera object. the camera object calls a method on your object and passes it the jpeg byte array of the image.
May 26 03:22:49 <_genuser_> you can dump it to file exactly the way it gives you the data.
May 26 03:23:02 <_genuser_> dump it to file.jpg and it's viewable via gallery app or anythign else.
May 26 03:23:03 <drose379> right, you can do whatever you want wih the bytearray
May 26 03:23:17 <_genuser_> you tell it before hand whehter you want the image in png or jpeg format.
May 26 03:23:26 <drose379> Right
May 26 03:23:35 <_genuser_> it will give you teh data in the correct format all ready to be written to disk. headers, data, all proper.
May 26 03:23:40 <drose379> No idea the stock Camera app sometimes mis fires on me though
May 26 03:24:09 <drose379> So im gonna get to work building this
May 26 03:24:10 <_genuser_> I have noticed that I had to pay attention to the messaging. It will send you a message sometimes that the camera server has died.
May 26 03:24:20 <drose379> Really?
May 26 03:24:26 <_genuser_> and you have to re-initialize the preview. I wonder if something like that is happening to the stock app.
May 26 03:24:42 <_genuser_> the way it works out, in my app you never know if the camera quit or not. it's just "always working".
May 26 03:25:04 <drose379> In the stock app the photo is always taken
May 26 03:25:18 <drose379> Just sometimes after I click "Save" it kills and goes back to activity
May 26 03:25:32 <drose379> If it works, it re-instantiates the activity and gives the image through savedInstance
May 26 03:26:11 <drose379> So I need somehting reliable
May 26 03:26:14 <_genuser_> ok, then maybe you just need to leave it alone and only focus on dumping out more details and stackTrace in save.
May 26 03:26:38 <drose379> Im just gonna create the custom camera
May 26 03:26:38 <_genuser_> if it's always only failing in Save, can you log the exception and view it?
May 26 03:26:54 <drose379> Nah, it only fails like 5% o fthe time
May 26 03:27:10 <drose379> And nothing happens when it does, If tried to throw logs everywhere
May 26 03:27:10 <_genuser_> if it works 90% of the times, 1 out of 10 may not fail but 1 out of 20 will definitely fail. you just launch the debugger and snap snap snap until it craps. then read logcat.
May 26 03:27:24 <drose379> Nothing shows in logcat
May 26 03:27:38 <_genuser_> oh, I see if you try/catch in the entire save method, nothing prints?
May 26 03:27:49 <drose379> havent tried that yet
May 26 03:28:20 <_genuser_> ok, I'd start with that one. try/catch(Exception e){ Log.e("", e.getMessage()); }
May 26 03:28:34 <drose379> got it
May 26 03:28:48 <drose379> Creating the custom camera activity does seem like a nice learning experience though
May 26 03:28:51 <drose379> Was it for you?
May 26 03:30:28 <_genuser_> drose379: it was. since the basic shell was done fast, I knew I could push it out fast to testing. and extras would be on as time permits basis.
May 26 03:31:13 <drose379> I can just have an interface in the camera activity that calls back to the fragment where I need the photo
May 26 03:31:17 <drose379> correct?
May 26 03:31:39 <_genuser_> or custom approach?
May 26 03:31:42 <_genuser_> *for
May 26 03:31:54 <drose379> yes
May 26 03:32:07 <_genuser_> you pass it a class with some methods.
May 26 03:32:56 <drose379> pass what a class?
May 26 03:34:10 * bhans slaps drose379 around a bit with a large trout
May 26 03:34:26 <drose379> lol
May 26 03:34:53 <drose379> sorry, yeah I shud just read the documentation first before asking this stuff
May 26 03:35:00 <_genuser_> http://pastie.org/10207401
May 26 03:35:10 * g00s puts bhans on bot ignore list
May 26 03:35:11 <_genuser_> its pretty simple.
May 26 03:35:29 <drose379> so whats in PictureCallback class
May 26 03:36:45 <drose379> my bad, didnt see that correctly
May 26 03:37:46 <_genuser_> you pass it that. in there you have the logic to save.
May 26 03:38:04 <_genuser_> trust me, if you just follow the example from the link, you will have finished the app.
May 26 03:38:18 <_genuser_> I don't necessarily read the entire thing. I just see code, copy / paste. see more code, copy/paste.
May 26 03:38:21 <_genuser_> and then run.
May 26 03:38:23 <_genuser_> lol.
May 26 03:38:28 <drose379> really?
May 26 03:38:31 <drose379> I couldnt do that
May 26 03:38:40 <drose379> Do you understand it?
May 26 03:38:44 <_genuser_> mostly, like that. within reason.
May 26 03:39:03 <_genuser_> yeah, I understand it well now. I needed to see it working. then I needed to take it apart to know what to do with it.
May 26 03:39:21 <_genuser_> then I re-arranged it different ways until it fit the app model. So I understand it well now.
May 26 03:39:24 <_genuser_> it's pretty simple.
May 26 03:39:52 <drose379> Cool, thanks again man
May 26 03:39:58 <drose379> gonna get going on this
May 26 03:40:01 <drose379> gotta run now though
May 26 03:40:08 <drose379> see ya
May 26 04:08:39 <liuwenhao> Do you guys have any opinions on best fonts for an Android app ? Or do you stick with Roboto for the most part
May 26 04:10:12 <g00s> "Shuttleworth said he expects Ubuntu Phone to be profitable" dunno how he'll fo it, but i wish him the best
May 26 04:10:39 <g00s> liuwenhao roboto and its various weights / thicknesses
May 26 04:10:52 <g00s> like narrow, etc
May 26 04:10:58 <g00s> light
May 26 04:19:58 <zivester> is emulation dependent on GPU, or is it all handled in CPU ?
May 26 04:45:58 <usgrant> zivester: depends on your settings
May 26 04:46:09 <usgrant> if you use “Use Host GPU” as a setting, then yes, gpu matters
May 26 04:46:15 <usgrant> otherwise it’s dog slow and all CPU
May 26 04:46:32 <usgrant> these days i use genymotion for > 50% of my development
May 26 04:46:41 <usgrant> unless i need to test touch events or real-life performance
May 26 04:47:01 <zivester> whats geny motion?
May 26 04:47:34 <usgrant> a virtualbox-based emulator
May 26 04:47:41 <liuwenhao> The best Android emulator by far
May 26 04:47:44 <liuwenhao> for dev
May 26 04:47:54 <zivester> what comes with android studio out of the box ?
May 26 04:48:02 <liuwenhao> the default google android emulator
May 26 04:48:14 <liuwenhao> genymotion is free, you really should be using it
May 26 04:50:40 <devandroid> hi, i have develop an e-commerce app. i have show category-subcategory. i get data from endpoint json. I'd like cache response for some request
May 26 04:50:54 <g00s> hope genymotion gets play services :/
May 26 04:51:07 <devandroid> what does i use to cache info ?
May 26 04:51:22 <devandroid> every time user closes app i have clean data
May 26 04:55:21 <Leeds> devandroid: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html
May 26 04:56:14 <devandroid> Leeds, i know all this option. i'd like know your experience
May 26 04:56:34 <devandroid> User load 26 category and other subcategory...
May 26 04:57:03 <devandroid> so.. he can back and forward in this category and i'd like share data
May 26 04:57:57 <Leeds> if it's an arbitrary amount of data, you store it in a file of your own format, or in a sqlite database
May 26 05:02:17 <zivester> how can i tell if genymotion is activated ? i installed it
May 26 05:06:22 <g00s> anyone know offhand if reusing a StringBuilder by settings its length to 0 is worth while from a GC perspective ?
May 26 05:07:44 <pfn> no
May 26 05:08:13 <g00s> thanks
May 26 05:08:34 <surf2b1> Does anyone know what view "windowBackground" is set on? Is it the root view of the activity?
May 26 05:09:10 <g00s> Leeds going to any remote I/I in HK ?
May 26 05:09:14 <g00s> I/O
May 26 05:09:28 <Leeds> nah
May 26 05:10:00 <Leeds> the keynote is something like midnight to flibble am, the meetup is a long way across town, and I've got a very early flight on Saturday morning
May 26 05:11:39 <TacticalJoke> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/242438/is-it-better-to-reuse-a-stringbuilder-in-a-loop
May 26 05:12:13 <TacticalJoke> On the JVM, though.
May 26 05:13:37 <g00s> hm. i'm not in a very tight loop.
May 26 05:14:17 <g00s> wasn't even sure if sb.setlength(0) even reused its internal buffer to whatever size it had already grown to
May 26 05:16:53 <TacticalJoke> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore/+/master/libart/src/main/java/java/lang/AbstractStringBuilder.java#539
May 26 05:17:10 <g00s> yeah looking, if shared hmm
May 26 05:18:24 <g00s> meh
May 26 05:27:23 <pfn> set length does not truncate the buffer
May 26 05:27:43 <pfn> no gc win, other than reusing already allocated memory
May 26 05:27:51 <pfn> and premature optimizations ftl
May 26 06:16:23 <DJGummikuh> Hello! I'm having an issue with my freshly-deployed app.
May 26 06:17:10 <DJGummikuh> When installing the app from the playstore, it tells me that the app does not need any permissions. However, it does need network permissions. When installing the app directly (without the play store in-between) it correctly asks for network access.
May 26 06:17:50 <t0astt> What's the name of that service, kinda like PhoneGap, that will compile your app for multiple platforms? You don't write Java or web, IIRC
May 26 06:19:55 <TacticalJoke> DJGummikuh:  They updated the Google Play app to not show the network permission (unless users choose to view all permissions at the bottom).
May 26 06:20:21 <TacticalJoke> t0astt:  Xamarin?
May 26 06:20:31 <TacticalJoke> DJGummikuh: http://www.androidcentral.com/new-google-play-store-4820-greatly-simplifies-permissions
May 26 06:20:50 <t0astt> TacticalJoke: That's it, thanks! I was trying to think of it for a friend
May 26 06:24:53 <DJGummikuh> TacticalJoke: ah good to know. So now I only have to still figure out why my app does not work when downloaded from the store, as opposed to when I manually install it :-|
May 26 06:25:03 <DJGummikuh> I somewhat hoped, that this would be the reason (I have no other at the moment)
May 26 06:27:50 <TacticalJoke> What network stuff is it doing?
May 26 06:29:05 <DJGummikuh> SSL encrypted REST calls
May 26 06:34:09 <TacticalJoke> DJGummikuh:  You should be getting some kind of error message.  Are you sure you're not swallowing exceptions somewhere (e.g,. `catch (Exception e) { /* do nothing */ }`)?
May 26 06:45:29 <thepoosh> צםרמןמ
May 26 06:45:31 <thepoosh> morning
May 26 06:46:22 <Leeds> boker tov
May 26 06:46:32 <thepoosh> :)
May 26 06:47:12 <gordon_> lol
May 26 06:48:11 <thepoosh> I'm doing a code review on a chunk of code that attempts to count how many phone numbers the user has in his addressbook.
May 26 06:48:19 <thepoosh> the current implementation looks like this
May 26 06:48:20 <thepoosh> context.getContentResolver().query(ContactsContract.CommonDataKinds.Phone.CONTENT_URI, new String[] {ContactsContract.CommonDataKinds.Phone.NUMBER},null,null, null);
May 26 06:48:46 <gordon_> I just looked at some PR here
May 26 06:48:46 <thepoosh> seems like a bad one, but the programmer said there is no way to run a count(*) query on this data
May 26 06:48:50 <thepoosh> is that true?
May 26 06:49:07 <gordon_> someone implemented his own ORM for database
May 26 06:49:14 <gordon_> welcome back in the 90s
May 26 06:49:19 <thepoosh> defaq?!
May 26 06:49:24 <thepoosh> there are so many
May 26 06:49:46 <gordon_> ssssh
May 26 06:49:53 <gordon_> let them implement their own
May 26 06:50:03 <gordon_> they have problems with not existing table already :D
May 26 06:50:12 * gordon_ grabs popcorn
May 26 06:51:50 <thepoosh> gordon_: are you aware of a way to run a count query on this?
May 26 06:52:16 <gordon_> hmm.. havent done this before.
May 26 06:52:34 <gordon_> but we have something like thta I guess, wait a sec
May 26 06:54:02 <thepoosh> yay
May 26 06:55:07 <DJGummikuh> TacticalJoke: no I'm not swallowing exceptions, however it seems that my widget event doesn't even reach its activity
May 26 06:55:32 <DJGummikuh> Even before attempting network communication I'm coloring the clicked button in a different color for user feedback - and that's not even happening O.o
May 26 06:57:11 <gordon_> thepoosh: they are doing the same thing
May 26 06:58:03 <gordon_> well we have new String[]{}
May 26 06:58:14 <gordon_> (which I assume is fetching whole data)
May 26 06:58:23 <g00s> yeah, thats super lame
May 26 06:58:43 <Jonno_FTW> how do I prevent a BT keyboard from selecting things in the action bar?
May 26 07:01:14 <thepoosh> gordon_: so there is no way to just do that?!
May 26 07:01:17 <thepoosh> oh noez
May 26 07:01:51 <gordon_> thepoosh: :(
May 26 07:02:28 <g00s> every time i look at the Contacts provider stuff, i want to barf in my mouth
May 26 07:03:27 <g00s> sharing databases between apps is a stupid idea, we knew that a loong time ago
May 26 07:09:08 <g00s> thepoosh so this doesn't work ? context.getContentResolver().query(ContactsContract.CommonDataKinds.Phone.CONTENT_URI, new String[] {"count(*) as count"},null,null, null); ?
May 26 07:10:53 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, this is new:  http://www.reddit.com/r/programmerchat
May 26 07:11:08 <TacticalJoke> A tabs-or-spaces debate is on the front page.
May 26 07:11:28 <g00s> TacticalJoke lol, vim or emacs ?
May 26 07:12:03 <TacticalJoke> haha
May 26 07:19:40 <g00s> thepoosh speak to me, what do you see !
May 26 07:19:59 <JesusFreke> dead people!
May 26 07:21:11 <g00s> JesusFreke ready to become soylent !
May 26 07:21:32 <g00s> i could live off my app if dex2oat actually worked
May 26 07:21:38 <g00s> and like made oats
May 26 07:21:41 <g00s> from my dex
May 26 07:24:14 <Jonno_FTW> can anyone help with this NPE? http://pastebin.ws/4v7fz0
May 26 07:24:58 <Jonno_FTW> the nep is on the next line
May 26 07:25:55 <TacticalJoke> for (int i : Arrays.asList(R.id.action_change, R.id.action_reset)) { // wat
May 26 07:26:03 <g00s> hehe
May 26 07:26:29 <Jonno_FTW> easier than alocating an array
May 26 07:26:35 <Jonno_FTW> also I like my python
May 26 07:26:45 <g00s> lets ask the Nights who Say NPE
May 26 07:27:30 <Jonno_FTW> any ideas?
May 26 07:28:36 <Odaym> s
May 26 07:28:37 <g00s> Jonno_FTW break it down, see whats null
May 26 07:28:47 <Odaym> I mean sssshhhhrubbery
May 26 07:30:03 <Jonno_FTW> it seems getactionview returns null
May 26 07:30:17 <g00s> Jonno_FTW are you using appcompat ?
May 26 07:30:21 <Jonno_FTW> no
May 26 07:30:31 <TacticalJoke> According to your paste, Menu.findItem is returning null.
May 26 07:30:52 <TacticalJoke> Anyway, you don't have to guess.  You can figure out what is null.
May 26 07:30:57 <Jonno_FTW> I redid it and it gets the menuItem fine, it's just it can't get the  actionview
May 26 07:31:01 <TacticalJoke> Use `Log.i`.
May 26 07:31:04 <Jonno_FTW> I did
May 26 07:31:15 <thepoosh> g00s: team sync
May 26 07:31:18 <thepoosh> 2 secs
May 26 07:31:34 <Jonno_FTW> oh I see, it only works if you make a custom actionview
May 26 07:32:38 <TacticalJoke> Jonno_FTW:  This is really inefficient code on mobile:  for (int i : Arrays.asList(R.id.action_change, R.id.action_reset)) {
May 26 07:32:48 <TacticalJoke> Allocating an Integer, another Integer, an ArrayList, and an iterator.
May 26 07:32:56 <Jonno_FTW> it only runs once though
May 26 07:33:04 <Odaym> nooo
May 26 07:33:10 <Jonno_FTW> should I just have 6 lines?
May 26 07:34:16 <Jonno_FTW> anyway, how should I go about making the menuitem not focussable?
May 26 07:34:31 <Odaym> what is it that you wnat to do
May 26 07:34:47 <TacticalJoke> You could make much simpler code out of that, without the unnecessary allocations.
May 26 07:34:56 <TacticalJoke> Extract a method that takes the resId and does the stuff.  Call it twice.
May 26 07:36:00 <g00s> Jonno_FTW at least this works for (int i : new int[] { 1,2,3,4,5}) {}
May 26 07:36:02 <g00s> lol
May 26 07:36:08 <TacticalJoke> haha
May 26 07:36:12 <Jonno_FTW> I want the user to not be able to focus on the menuitems with an input device
May 26 07:36:20 <g00s> but since thats not going to change, why not just make the IDs a static final ?
May 26 07:36:23 <Jonno_FTW> I refactored the code into a method btw
May 26 07:36:50 <thepoosh> g00s: looking
May 26 07:36:58 <thepoosh> im back
May 26 07:37:13 <surf2b1> Jonno_FTW: menuItem.setEnabled(false)
May 26 07:39:18 <Jonno_FTW> It still needs to be usable, just no focussable
May 26 07:57:03 <Ashiren> can i (i.e. using adb command) get current battery discharge rate
May 26 07:57:25 <Ashiren> for example i want to know if my phone uses more power than USB cable is giving
May 26 07:58:41 <Ashiren> also whats temperature unit in dumpsys battery? 10 * C?
May 26 08:12:43 <surf2b1> Ashiren: temp is the value / 10 for celsius
May 26 08:13:13 <surf2b1> adb shell su -c "cat cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/batt_attr_text" should give you some more info
May 26 08:16:50 <vedu> Hello. Anyone worked with the telegram source code? I need to open ChatActivity instead of MessagesActivity
May 26 08:38:08 <sci-fic> hi,im using an imgview i need to scale down its size according to phone screen
May 26 08:38:28 <sci-fic> i tried some with maxheight maxwidth etc. i couldnt get the result
May 26 08:38:32 <sci-fic> any recommendation ?
May 26 08:39:20 <danijoo> use different xml files for different screen sizes
May 26 08:39:27 <danijoo> if you cant solve it with weights
May 26 08:41:11 <sci-fic> something like styles.xml-v14 and styles.xml ? danijoo
May 26 08:42:38 <danijoo> no
May 26 08:42:57 <danijoo> someling like layout-sw600dp
May 26 08:43:10 <sci-fic> ty
May 26 09:25:58 <dc_android> Has anyone ever looked into making emoticons very large?
May 26 09:26:09 <dc_android> I was just looking into using a very large font size
May 26 09:26:13 <dc_android> say 100sp
May 26 09:26:21 <dc_android> and it won't draw an emoji
May 26 09:26:32 <dc_android> doesn't show at all
May 26 09:27:04 <dc_android> anyone else ever come across it?
May 26 09:41:45 <cetchmoh> hi there
May 26 09:45:12 <cetchmoh> I'm using a library in my app which I included in my build.gradle with compile('com.foo.bar:baz:1.0'). I found a memory leak in this library and I can't reach the developer.
May 26 09:45:39 <cetchmoh> How would I go to download the source in a folder and tell gradle to use the java source files now, instead of the library?
May 26 09:46:22 <phix> cetchmoh: create a new module
May 26 09:46:56 <phix> or use relative path names to import / include your module that is in a seperate application / project
May 26 09:47:17 <cetchmoh> okay...
May 26 09:47:39 <cetchmoh> new module, or new java package?
May 26 10:02:09 <xgearx> cetchmoh: new module
May 26 10:02:22 <cetchmoh> thank you :)
May 26 11:02:29 <_rm> in a library project, is it possible to somehow bake a dependency-aar into the resulting aar?
May 26 11:02:52 <_rm> (it's not ideal, but necessary in this case)
May 26 11:11:33 <molavy> hi
May 26 11:12:12 <molavy> i want setup my own mqtt backgroud service for all devices that install atleast one of my app
May 26 11:12:17 <molavy> how can i implement it
May 26 11:13:21 <molavy> i don't want multiple instant of service per app installed , apps should check if service don't installed setup it and else do noting
May 26 11:14:03 <molavy> i want make it as library for projects that can easily add advertise system into projects
May 26 11:14:11 <molavy> how can i implement it
May 26 11:16:59 <Anthaas> Evening all
May 26 11:54:13 <shmooz> it's not android dev specific but I found a pretty good general code podcast  ...  http://www.talkingcode.com/
May 26 12:02:11 <Bantalon> Anyone used textwrangler here?
May 26 12:08:09 <alexi5> hello
May 26 12:09:02 <alexi5> do you guys consider a Nexus 4 for $100 a good deal espciall if it it will be mainly used for app development ?
May 26 12:09:47 <Leeds> I'd say yes - assume it's second-hand, but good condition?
May 26 12:10:08 <alexi5> yes its good condition
May 26 12:10:24 <Leeds> although there's a good chance it won't get M...
May 26 12:11:06 <alexi5> or is the Moto G a good choice to be able to support next version of android ?
May 26 12:12:05 <gottaGO> im reading Romain's Guy code from google io 14 and he references a drawable whichi cannot find. more specifically https://github.com/romainguy/google-io-2014/blob/master/app/src/main/res/drawable/ic_ab_up.xml
May 26 12:12:29 <gottaGO> There's a ref to     android:src="@drawable/ic_ab_up_white" which cant be found
May 26 12:13:18 <SimonVT> https://github.com/romainguy/google-io-2014/blob/master/app/src/main/res/drawable-xxhdpi/ic_ab_up_white.png
May 26 12:13:20 <SimonVT> It's right there
May 26 12:14:00 <gottaGO> hmmm... how did i missed that?Thank you SimonVT
May 26 12:16:35 <Leeds> alexi5: I wouldn't assume anything non-nexus will get more than one major upgrade - maybe not even that
May 26 12:16:59 <alexi5> ok
May 26 12:18:21 <Leeds> alexi5: http://goo.gl/X38Hwe
May 26 12:18:47 <alexi5> is it possible to  style the buttons in a  custom alert dialog  that is built using a dialog fragment and have it compatible with  android  gingerbread ?
May 26 12:30:15 <rathodvikas10> fragmentmanager null pointer when closing the activity
May 26 12:30:49 <Ashiren> no wai
May 26 12:31:27 <rathodvikas10> yes
May 26 12:32:02 <rathodvikas10> http://pastebin.com/7UbXsjFf
May 26 12:32:41 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: take it out of the Runnable
May 26 12:33:17 <rathodvikas10> i am using nav drawer and on backpress it gives me this error
May 26 12:34:12 <rathodvikas10> onDestroyView i have this if (f != null) getFragmentManager().beginTransaction().remove(f).commit();
May 26 12:35:58 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: look at the stack trace
May 26 12:36:21 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: its trying to execute code in a Runnable.. which is being run after the Activity has been terminated
May 26 12:36:33 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: so remove the code from the runnable
May 26 12:37:00 <Napalm> or call the runnable's run method directly. so its synchronous
May 26 12:37:24 <SimonVT> That's how fragment transactions work.. They're posted to the message queue by the FragmentManager..
May 26 12:37:52 <rathodvikas10> ok
May 26 12:38:23 <SimonVT> Assuming f is a child fragment, use getChildFragmentManager
May 26 12:38:42 <rathodvikas10> yes its chieldfragment
May 26 12:38:51 <Napalm> SimonVT: doh, just noticed the runnable was in FragmentManagerImpl :(
May 26 12:38:55 <SimonVT> But then again, shouldn't need to remove child fragments
May 26 12:38:58 <rathodvikas10> i have map fragment inside a fragment
May 26 12:40:02 <rathodvikas10> homeActivity -> TrackingFragment -> GoogleMap and i am removing GoogleMap in onDestroyView
May 26 12:40:20 <SimonVT> Why
May 26 12:40:48 <rathodvikas10> i have two drawer having the Google map fragment
May 26 12:41:09 <rathodvikas10> two items in drawer
May 26 12:41:31 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: and?
May 26 12:42:14 <SimonVT> Sounds horrible to pass a fragment around between other fragments
May 26 12:42:24 <rathodvikas10> ok ill show you the error if i dont have that in onDestroyView
May 26 12:42:47 <rathodvikas10> http://pastebin.com/j9CLtZAb
May 26 12:44:09 <Napalm> rathodvikas10: your using the Activities frgment manager instead of the child fragment manager
May 26 12:44:15 <SimonVT> That says you have it as part of your layout..
May 26 12:44:42 <SimonVT> Are you passing a single MapFragment around between multiple fragments, or are you defining your MapFragment in your layout?
May 26 12:44:59 <SimonVT> Sounds like you just need to give them different id's if it's the latter
May 26 12:45:02 <rathodvikas10> i have two different fragment and layouts
May 26 12:46:40 <rathodvikas10> check this out i have this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14083950/duplicate-id-tag-null-or-parent-id-with-another-fragment-for-com-google-androi/14484640#14484640
May 26 12:47:13 <sci-fic> can i share my app on facebook and get callback if user shared it or not without using facebook sdk ?
May 26 12:47:22 <sci-fic> because i don't want to appear a popup for permission
May 26 12:48:43 <SimonVT> 2012, that was before child fragments were supported..
May 26 12:48:54 <SimonVT> Since you're using native fragments, make sure you're running on api17+
May 26 12:49:07 <SimonVT> And, using getChildFragmentManager for child fragments
May 26 12:51:14 <rathodvikas10> yes i am doing that
May 26 13:06:43 <rathodvikas10> why i have this error : http://pastebin.com/j9CLtZAb
May 26 13:07:41 <SimonVT> Do they have the same id?
May 26 13:12:57 <rathodvikas10> no
May 26 13:13:21 <rathodvikas10> one one is map and the other is map1
May 26 13:16:06 <wakelock> clean and rebuild project
May 26 13:16:10 <shekibobo> is there an assertj-android matcher for checking the drawable resource of an imageview?
May 26 13:19:14 <rathodvikas10> ok
May 26 13:30:12 <osxorgate> so using retrofit/okhttp, i am using auth0 for oauth. It can happen that my jwt is expired, resulting in a 403 for my request. If i get a 403, i should call my endpoint asking to refresh the token using a refreshtoken. How can I incorporate this into the retrofit/okhttp flow? So I don't have to check this everytime I make a request to my backend?
May 26 13:30:49 <osxorgate> basically if the request fails with a 403, insert a new call to the backend giving me a new token, and then doing the original request with the new token
May 26 13:36:21 <Anthaas> Hmm, can't get my classes around Retrofit to work :/
May 26 13:36:33 <Anthaas> I think its probably due to my typeadapter
May 26 13:37:46 <tjbiddle> Anthaas: gist your code?
May 26 13:38:00 <Anthaas> Sure, one sec. Giving something a shot
May 26 13:38:14 <danijoo> osxorgate, write a callback that checks for the error code and makes another request with the same callback
May 26 13:39:45 <Anthaas> Is there a way to print out the stream that a JsonReader is reading?
May 26 13:41:05 <Troffel> log it out?
May 26 13:41:13 <Anthaas> The reader? Doesn't work.
May 26 13:41:56 <danijoo> fix your machine ^^
May 26 13:42:31 <Anthaas> You mean: Log.d(TAG, reader.toString());?
May 26 13:43:47 <Anthaas> I just get: "JsonReader at line 1 column 2" printed
May 26 13:44:21 <Troffel> well it must be reading data from somewhere, you're not passing it an URI ?
May 26 13:44:38 <Anthaas> It is, but I want to Log what it is reading.
May 26 13:44:54 <danijoo> store it in a string before passing it to the reader.
May 26 13:47:26 <Troffel> take the uri and paste it in the browser?
May 26 13:51:55 <Anthaas> Think I've located the issue. Thanks guys
May 26 13:52:58 <osxorgate> danijoo: any idea how i would do this using Observables ?
May 26 13:53:25 <danijoo> the same way
May 26 13:53:33 <danijoo> replace callback with observable
May 26 13:53:55 <Troffel> danijoo, can it be a chat rule that you have to say what solved a given issue, when you resolve it (after having had it debated in chat)? :d
May 26 13:56:56 <shekibobo> osxorgate: try onErrorResumeNext() https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava/wiki/Error-Handling-Operators
May 26 13:57:29 <cartsar> Hello, I am struggling to figgure out how i can make use of the expanded set of RecyclerView notify functions (notifyItemInserted, notifyItemMoved, etc.) with a content observer. As far as my current understanding goes, a ContentProducer notifies your RecyclerView via a ContentObserver that there has been a change in the data set, but ContentObserver only exposes onChange(boolean self, Uri uri) which does not provide enough infor
May 26 13:57:30 <cartsar> these more specific notify functions.
May 26 13:57:41 <shekibobo> check for a retrofit error, recover from it, and carry on
May 26 13:57:48 <cartsar> Could anyone point me to some code or smaples that utilize this?
May 26 13:58:50 <osxorgate> shekibobo, danijoo: my problem is that i will have a bunch of different network calls, and they all might get a 403, and i want to automate inserting the extra refresh network call, instead of doing it by hand in every call
May 26 13:58:52 <osxorgate> if that makes sense
May 26 13:59:22 <danijoo> I dont know what hinders you to do that
May 26 13:59:25 <danijoo> use inheritance
May 26 14:00:00 <osxorgate> i think it's knowledge of retrofit and rxjava that hinders me :)
May 26 14:00:08 <osxorgate> or rather lack thereof
May 26 14:01:10 <shekibobo> osxorgate: you can probably make a OAuthRefreshAction that takes a retrofit error and retries the call? Not really sure on that point, haven't gotten that far myself
May 26 14:01:18 <thepoosh> ok, for some reason, when adding a new view to android.R.id.content, I cannot see it
May 26 14:01:35 <thepoosh> it's in the hierarchy view but under my screen
May 26 14:01:38 <thepoosh> any thoughts?
May 26 14:01:52 <Ashiren> android.R?
May 26 14:02:23 <danijoo> thepoosh, something else added to content already?
May 26 14:02:30 <danijoo> also, why not setContentView? :p
May 26 14:02:50 <thepoosh> danijoo: it's a custom view that is created dynamically in code
May 26 14:03:30 <SimonVT> setContentView(View) exists
May 26 14:03:34 <danijoo> setContentView(yourView)
May 26 14:04:44 <SimonVT> Anyway, android.R.id.content is just a FrameLayout.. Your View should appear on top
May 26 14:07:32 <osxorgate> maybe he added some layout params or translation to move it offscreen
May 26 14:10:16 <thepoosh> SimonVT: it should but it doesn't
May 26 14:11:01 <thepoosh> initially we patched it by surrounding with "if this instaceof assholeActivity) ugly patch"
May 26 14:11:19 <thepoosh> but now, it's a 3rd party lib that is trying to create a view and fails
May 26 14:14:46 <SimonVT> Is it not a FrameLayout? DOes the view have strange margins?
May 26 14:15:04 <thepoosh> there is a NavDrawer that is always hidden
May 26 14:15:31 <SimonVT> Is it being translated?
May 26 14:15:37 <thepoosh> no
May 26 14:15:39 <SimonVT> There's a few things you can find ouyt
May 26 14:16:30 <thepoosh> the basic hierarchy is: sliding drawer > tabbed view > fragment > content
May 26 14:24:38 <cartsar> Are the RecyclerView Adapter notify functions not meant to be used with a ContentObserver?
May 26 14:37:41 <ThatAmine> hello all!
May 26 14:39:18 <ThatAmine> I am wondering what is the common architecture to bind a running website and another mobile app, I have already setup a Resrful api service but have issues with authentication
May 26 14:40:00 <ThatAmine> the website is under Ruby on Rails and the app is in Android SDK
May 26 14:40:06 <tx> Hi guys, I have an app that runs for pretty much ever (in a kiosk sort of setup)
May 26 14:40:14 <tx> after a while the animations and overall UI start to slow down.
May 26 14:41:16 <tx> Not too sure how I can go about fixing it. I thought garbage collection would prevent this sort of thing.
May 26 14:43:50 <paulo_> I had 9k ad impressions, and I only made $1.45
May 26 14:44:08 <paulo_> people, this is how difficult it is to make money using android apps.
May 26 14:47:14 <paulo_> gottaGO: let's talk in the channel
May 26 14:47:19 <gottaGO> kk
May 26 14:47:25 <tx> ll
May 26 14:47:46 <paulo_> i used admob
May 26 14:48:14 <gottaGO> and now ?
May 26 14:49:05 <paulo_> *I use
May 26 14:49:27 <gottaGO> ah ok
May 26 14:49:59 <tx> ok
May 26 14:50:16 <tx> the slow downs seem to occur when wifi operations are going on in the background
May 26 14:50:26 <tx> (Android WifiHW tagged debug output)
May 26 14:52:21 <dragorn> tx, gc only works to a certain extent.  If you do something that leaves orphaned references to things, you're going to leak memory over time for sure.  Slowdown doesn't necessarily sound like memory leaking, though - sure you're not constantly registering new events and not clearing out the old ones, or something like that?
May 26 14:52:43 <tx> dragorn:  It seems system related now. The UI outside of the app is slow too.
May 26 14:53:00 <tx> I can see WiFi events in the debugging log and the UI in general, not just the app
May 26 14:53:04 <tx> seem very choppy and slow.
May 26 14:53:06 <tx> :\
May 26 14:53:11 <tx> I'll try disabling wifi.
May 26 14:53:14 <dragorn> wifi events dont' mean anything
May 26 14:53:17 <dragorn> wifi constantly changes states
May 26 14:53:34 <tx> Well, they just happen to coincide with stuttering.
May 26 14:53:39 <dragorn> especially if there's multiple APs nearby, powersaving is active, etc.  wifi is very chatty.
May 26 14:53:48 <gottaGO> paulo_, have you tried any other ad service?
May 26 14:53:49 <tx> oh look at that
May 26 14:53:55 <tx> WiFi is off, tablet is fast. :P
May 26 14:54:12 <paulo_> gottaGO: not yet. I'm only 2 weeks in.
May 26 14:54:17 <paulo_> I'm gonna give it more time.
May 26 14:54:18 <tx> It could be a voltage issue. The display on this thing has heaps of ghosting.
May 26 14:54:36 <gottaGO> paulo_, 9k for 2 weeks seems great to me
May 26 14:54:56 <gottaGO> paulo_, whats the average app rating ?
May 26 14:54:58 <paulo_> gottaGo: 9k was yesterday
May 26 14:55:04 <paulo_> that was for one day only
May 26 14:55:19 <paulo_> gottaGO: ~4.4
May 26 14:58:38 <paulo_> oh
May 26 14:58:41 <paulo_> lemme correct that
May 26 14:58:53 <paulo_> 9k was for 3 days
May 26 14:58:59 <paulo_> I had 5k yesterday.
May 26 15:00:54 <paulo_> that's 1% CTR.
May 26 15:01:07 <paulo_> lol I can talk about this all day.
May 26 15:03:05 <Leeds> ads are a volume thing
May 26 15:06:44 <shekibobo> does android stub out the app's R class in unit tests? i.e. can I test a POJO that returns R.color.status_warning without the system blowing up at me?
May 26 15:06:56 <shekibobo> not on a computer i can test it on right now
May 26 15:17:05 <danijoo> shekibobo, R. will be available at testing
May 26 15:17:19 <danijoo> because the test project depends on the app projec
May 26 15:17:21 <shekibobo> danijoo: Thanks
May 26 15:24:19 <paulo_> Leeds: what do you mean by volume?
May 26 15:25:51 <danijoo> paulo_, he means that you need a huge amount of ads to actually make money from it
May 26 15:26:06 <paulo_> danijoo: like how much?
May 26 15:26:14 <danijoo> 9k isnt really much
May 26 15:26:24 <paulo_> hmm interesting
May 26 15:26:56 <h3bus> Hi guys, how can I remove a substring in a spannable string ?
May 26 15:26:57 <danijoo> it also depends on your eCPM
May 26 15:27:16 <danijoo> if your users click ads often, you will get payed more for them
May 26 15:28:08 <danijoo> h3bus, SpannableString#subSequence ?
May 26 15:28:13 <paulo_> i'm currently at 1k installs per day, so I guess it's bound to increase.
May 26 15:28:28 <wakelock> to 1k+1 :p
May 26 15:28:56 <h3bus> danijoo:  yas, I can get the subsequence i'm lokking for like that, but cant I delete it from the original spannablestring ?
May 26 15:28:58 <paulo_> god I wish the days passed faster
May 26 15:29:11 <cartsar> paulo_: What is the app?
May 26 15:29:21 <drose379> Guys is there a way I can get rid of the Deprecated lint?
May 26 15:29:33 <drose379> Like the strikethrough that goes through something that is deprecated
May 26 15:29:36 <drose379> In AS
May 26 15:29:56 <cartsar> drose379: http://tools.android.com/tips/lint/suppressing-lint-warnings
May 26 15:29:56 <danijoo> deactivate lint ^^
May 26 15:29:57 <h3bus> drose379: @suppressWarning("deprecated") ?
May 26 15:30:08 <danijoo> h3bus, dont think so
May 26 15:30:09 <drose379> that doesnt work h3bus
May 26 15:30:15 <h3bus> ok, my bad
May 26 15:30:21 <drose379> dont worry about it!
May 26 15:30:26 <drose379> danijoo lemme check tht link
May 26 15:30:43 <Leeds> paulo_: lots and lots of volume
May 26 15:31:14 <danijoo> paulo_, if its only banner ads, you actually need multiple million impressions per week to make a living from it
May 26 15:31:27 <danijoo> interstitials are a bit better, but still..
May 26 15:31:39 <cartsar> ....are annoying af
May 26 15:31:41 <cartsar> :P
May 26 15:31:55 <wakelock> paulo_, I bet you'll regret ever wishing that when you get ols :p
May 26 15:31:56 <drose379> danijoo so  I can deactivate lint?
May 26 15:31:59 <wakelock> old*
May 26 15:32:07 <drose379> from lint.xml?
May 26 15:32:17 <paulo_> danijoo: i think I use my interstitals in a very reasonable manner
May 26 15:32:22 <danijoo> drose379, no. from options
May 26 15:32:33 <paulo_> wakelock: what are ols?
May 26 15:32:43 <drose379> danijoo lintOptions{} ?
May 26 15:32:48 <danijoo> cartsar, tell that the users that dont want to pay a single $. ;)
May 26 15:32:49 <cartsar> paulo_:  he meant old
May 26 15:33:18 <paulo_> oh yeah, i'm turning 23
May 26 15:33:21 <paulo_> which is a bit scary
May 26 15:33:27 <danijoo> drose379, google it :p
May 26 15:33:38 <danijoo> yound meat...
May 26 15:33:44 <paulo_> I'll be 4 years off my teenage years
May 26 15:33:45 <danijoo> young*
May 26 15:33:53 <drose379> But I dont want to completley disable it, just want to disable the deprecated lint
May 26 15:34:02 <danijoo> drose379, google it
May 26 15:34:05 <drose379> :)
May 26 15:34:13 <danijoo> you got your keywords
May 26 15:34:16 <danijoo> use them wisely  :p
May 26 15:34:24 <wakelock> apply google to lint, done
May 26 15:34:28 <drose379> Found it
May 26 15:34:43 <wakelock> see, was that so hard?
May 26 15:34:48 <drose379> it was @SuppressLint("deprecation")
May 26 15:34:52 <drose379> No wakelock :P
May 26 15:34:55 <drose379> My bad my bad
May 26 15:35:15 <drose379> Ok, gotta create a custom camera activity
May 26 15:36:13 <h3bus> drose379: hey, i wasnt so far off
May 26 15:36:46 <drose379> Yeah man, good guess
May 26 15:37:03 <livtyler> anyone's got experience with Xamarin AXML? we want a teacher that can help us build the mobile application interface, this is similar to a chat, this is for basic functionality, and we are able to pay for every class. Thanks
May 26 15:38:14 <wakelock> so yay, I fixed some quite annoying concurrency issues the other day
May 26 15:38:21 * wakelock pats back
May 26 15:38:42 <dcunit3d> hey, i want to store my access token in private SharedPreferences.  I'm also creating a singleton class to manage access to this auth token, so it's available application-wide
May 26 15:39:03 <danijoo> SharedPreferences are always private
May 26 15:39:16 <dcunit3d> it looks like accessing SharedPreferences requires a Context.  is that right?
May 26 15:39:28 <danijoo> yes
May 26 15:39:53 <wakelock> SP are private unless root :p
May 26 15:40:30 <dcunit3d> is there an app-wide context i can use, so my singleton object retrieves the auth token at app load time?
May 26 15:40:48 <danijoo> use the application as context
May 26 15:41:02 <dcunit3d> ahh ok cool
May 26 15:41:09 <dcunit3d> thanks
May 26 15:41:23 <danijoo> or preferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(context).
May 26 15:41:37 <danijoo> doesnt matter what context you pass, you will always get the same preferences
May 26 15:42:14 <dcunit3d> can i store objects within SharedPreferences?  or do i need to store the fields of the access token and reinstantiate the object on retrieval?
May 26 15:42:41 <danijoo> you need to serialize them
May 26 15:43:58 <wakelock> SP can only store primitives, if you need more than that it's up to you to figure it out
May 26 15:44:31 <danijoo> a token should be storeable as string
May 26 15:46:25 <drose379> Guys im looking at an android tutorial on creating a camera preview class
May 26 15:46:33 <drose379> And it has a method SurfaceHolder.getHolder()
May 26 15:46:41 <drose379> But it looks like it doesnt exist
May 26 15:47:01 <drose379> Anyone ever heard of it
May 26 15:47:18 <drose379> Nevermind
May 26 15:47:21 <drose379> damnit
May 26 15:47:22 <danijoo> it exists.
May 26 15:47:53 <drose379> Just figured it out
May 26 15:48:02 <drose379> Its not a method of SurfaceHolder
May 26 15:48:25 <drose379> I was trying SurfaceHolder.getHolder when it should have been = getHolder()
May 26 15:49:32 <danijoo> getHolder returns the holder..
May 26 15:49:42 <wakelock> apparently you much rather prefer talking than researching :p
May 26 15:49:47 <danijoo> how could you have a holder without having it, in order to call that method on it
May 26 15:50:03 <danijoo> misterious
May 26 15:50:36 <drose379> I was just confused
May 26 15:50:56 <drose379> and yeah wakelock talking it out helps me out alot
May 26 15:51:47 <wakelock> talk it out aloud with yourself :p  might sound crazy but many say that actually helps
May 26 15:52:30 <drose379> Yeah the rubber duck effect or something
May 26 15:52:39 <drose379> something like that, I forget
May 26 15:53:39 <danijoo> does not help in exams though
May 26 15:53:56 <danijoo> ^^
May 26 15:54:09 <wakelock> you were supposed to have done it all before the exam :p
May 26 15:54:34 <drose379> danijoo you in college?
May 26 15:54:40 <danijoo> drose379, yup
May 26 15:54:50 <drose379> Cool, studying CS?
May 26 15:55:09 <wakelock> nah agriculture
May 26 15:55:09 <danijoo> wait. college is the same thing as univeristy isnt it?
May 26 15:55:23 <danijoo> wakelock, actually a valid question because im not at all into CS :P
May 26 15:55:39 <drose379> yes danijoo
May 26 15:55:40 <danijoo> drose379, Biochemistry
May 26 15:55:51 <drose379> Really, you just do android dev for fun?
May 26 15:56:10 <wakelock> danijoo, I know, I wouldn't even assume you are :p
May 26 15:56:25 <drose379> why not?
May 26 15:56:27 <danijoo> if I could travel in time, i would have done CS
May 26 15:56:30 <sci-fic> facebook sdk gives me that what im doing wrong ?Failed to get app name.
May 26 15:56:36 <drose379> Ah ok
May 26 15:56:39 <wakelock> also university ~ college, it's the "equivalent" except in some countries
May 26 15:57:04 <danijoo> when I began studying we had a huge amount of unemployed CS graduates here in germany
May 26 15:57:18 <drose379> really
May 26 15:57:18 <danijoo> thats why I chose to not do it
May 26 15:57:40 <drose379> I bet you could still get a programming job
May 26 15:57:41 <Schoumi> Hi, The gallery display some pictures from my Google+ Account or something like that. is an easy way to get this file thanks to the URI given by the intent from Intent.ACTION_PICK or via the intent filer? Actually i get error or fileNotFound if i try to use fileDescriptor
May 26 15:57:48 <drose379> You seem to be experienced
May 26 15:57:50 <drose379> enough
May 26 15:57:55 <danijoo> drose379, i might try when I finished my studies
May 26 15:57:57 <drose379> for a junior dev position
May 26 15:58:01 <danijoo> i already live from it
May 26 15:58:01 <drose379> yeah, go for that
May 26 15:58:09 <drose379> you make your money from it?
May 26 15:58:13 <danijoo> well... "live"
May 26 15:58:21 <danijoo> live == pay my beer and my coffee
May 26 15:58:26 <drose379> lol
May 26 15:58:31 <drose379> You have some apps out ther?
May 26 15:58:36 <drose379> or freelance?
May 26 15:59:00 <livtyler> drose379: give us some classes, we need a teacher
May 26 15:59:05 <danijoo> currently trying to get a foot in freelancing
May 26 15:59:15 <wakelock> dude, he's getting rich with his apps as we speak
May 26 15:59:31 <danijoo> until know ima one man army developing,designing and publishing :p
May 26 15:59:49 <wakelock> and promoting
May 26 16:00:10 <wakelock> by wasting your beer money on useless ad campaigns
May 26 16:00:12 <wakelock> :p
May 26 16:00:27 <drose379> one man army, thats bad ass danijoo
May 26 16:01:02 <drose379> danijoo any apps on the market?
May 26 16:01:25 <danijoo> i think it sounds more badass than it is then, lol
May 26 16:01:36 <drose379> Yeah, im a one man army too
May 26 16:01:56 <danijoo> drose379, yes
May 26 16:01:58 <drose379> Why dont you team up with one of the CS kids at your school?
May 26 16:02:45 <drose379> also, links to your apps?
May 26 16:03:39 <wakelock> team up?? but then he'd have to share the profits!
May 26 16:04:30 <danijoo> drose379, no, there are not links to the app in the market :P
May 26 16:04:37 <drose379> Theres gotta be
May 26 16:04:57 <danijoo> i could tell you, but then I would have to kill you... :/
May 26 16:05:15 <drose379> reallyyy
May 26 16:05:18 <wakelock> how about you do it the other way around?
May 26 16:05:48 <Schoumi> Any idea on how to handle easyly Drive/Google+ Image given by the gallery but not on the phone? or how to ignore them within intent-filter
May 26 16:06:09 <drose379> ?? wakelock
May 26 16:06:31 <wakelock> you will probably need to ask the content provider to fetch the actual content for you
May 26 16:06:51 <wakelock> pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work
May 26 16:10:00 <drose379> danijoo so you make money off your apps?
May 26 16:10:04 <drose379> Id like to hear more about that
May 26 16:10:55 <wakelock> read the exclusive interview in The Business Insider next week
May 26 16:11:05 <Schoumi> wakelock: i ask the picture from the MediaStore (MediaStore.Images.Media.getBitmap(ontentResolver,uri); )
May 26 16:12:00 <wakelock> ok, well gdrive is not mediastore
May 26 16:12:43 <Schoumi> wakelock: i need to handle drive by myself?
May 26 16:13:08 <wakelock> no...
May 26 16:16:46 <gottaGO> If I want to develop with min sdk=21 then is there a reason I should extend ActionBarActivity ? Or just go with Activity?
May 26 16:21:52 <Schoumi> wakelock: any ideo on how to do?
May 26 16:30:42 <colintheshots> Does anyone have experience capturing selfie video? I’m trying to fix the mirror effect and yes, I already tried StackOverflow and even gave up a nice bounty after receiving only wrong answers.
May 26 16:32:03 <drose379> the mirror effect?
May 26 16:32:33 <Sculptor> he wants to flip the video
May 26 16:32:43 <Sculptor> horizontaly
May 26 16:32:53 <Sculptor> lly
May 26 16:33:13 <drose379> Camera.setPreviewOrientation()
May 26 16:33:13 <drose379> ?
May 26 16:33:22 <luist> whats the best way to put a red left border on a TextView?
May 26 16:33:27 <Syzygy> what could be wrong if SupportMapFragment.getMap() in onViewCreated() returns null?
May 26 16:33:33 <Syzygy> but only on samsung devices
May 26 16:33:46 <colintheshots> Yes, setPreviewOrientation changes the rotation of the preview. It doesn’t mirror the video horizontally.
May 26 16:35:26 <colintheshots> If you 180 degree flip a video that’s recorded backwards horizontally, you would get an upside down and backwards video, not a correct video.
May 26 16:36:34 <sci-fic> anyone issued with facebook sdk failed to get app name ?
May 26 16:38:36 <danijoo> luist, use a background
May 26 16:44:56 <paulo_> i'm caring less & less about bad rtings
May 26 16:44:59 <paulo_> *ratings
May 26 16:48:34 <wakelock> Schoumi, yes, plenty
May 26 16:48:38 <johnnyspice> hey everyone i'm running into issues with avd setup. i am new to android development. i am trying to setup the haxm but i'm getting vt-x error. this is where it gets tricky i am using a vm running on a dell 2950 III server. I have enabled the VT in esxi i have enable virtualization i have disabled on the vm hyperv. but still not success
May 26 16:48:44 <johnnyspice> anyone have this issue before
May 26 16:48:53 <wakelock> Schoumi, for example: getContentResolver().query()
May 26 17:00:44 <Syzygy> Any idea how I can update the google play services? I can't seem to find it in the play store -.-
May 26 17:06:21 <pfn> god, why does swiftkey absolutely refuse to honor textNoSuggestions
May 26 17:07:45 <drose379> Guys if I try to create a file in a directory that does not exist yet, will it be created?
May 26 17:18:30 <GodOfNaps> When I try to write to a Bundle, I get the error: "get/set setting for user asks to run as user -2 but is calling from user 0"
May 26 17:19:26 <wakelock> Syzygy, it normally autoupdates
May 26 17:19:29 <GodOfNaps> The only "answer" I can find through google is that you can't run as user 0 unless it's a system app.
May 26 17:19:36 <GodOfNaps> Which doesn't help.
May 26 17:20:12 <wakelock> huh?
May 26 17:21:10 <wakelock> Syzygy, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.gms
May 26 17:21:17 <wakelock> easy
May 26 17:27:01 <ircfox_> dragorn: hey! I did a couple of changes adding a clear() at the ArrayList plus I've add the method notifyDataSetChanged() on the SimpleAdapter but the content still being added after click. Would you mind to have a look at the source and see if I didn't make any other mistake please?
May 26 17:34:40 <g00s> lol https://medium.com/@hfuecks/the-real-release-notes-eeeac7212dfc
May 26 17:39:03 <danijoo> nteressting kind of blog ^^
May 26 17:39:31 <groxx> hm.  came in too late - what's the blog?
May 26 17:39:38 <danijoo> "On top of Google Analytics, Flurry, Localytics, Mixpanel and comCast we just added another SDK to check you’re really all there. And OMG have you seen Facebook’s Analytics for Apps?!? We just have to get some of that." lol
May 26 17:40:38 <danijoo> groxx, <g00s> lol https://medium.com/@hfuecks/the-real-release-notes-eeeac7212dfc
May 26 17:42:27 <groxx> heh
May 26 17:42:39 <g00s> danijoo Weather Channel app just updated on my Lumia, and their improvement was going from tabbed design with banner add, to once huge contibuous scrolling thing with enormous interstitial adds
May 26 17:42:45 <groxx> true, though it would be easier if Google would actually make use of it as a changelog, rather than a "what's new(est)"
May 26 17:42:52 <g00s> *continous
May 26 17:43:14 <groxx> g00s: that sounds like their most-user-requested enhancement.  I can see why they did that.
May 26 17:52:21 <alximych> hi! If I use Android built-in string resources (e.g. android.R.string.cancel) - will it be translated into other languages automatically?
May 26 17:52:44 <dragorn> I'd expect it to be but I suppose I don't know
May 26 17:52:51 <groxx> alximych: into whatever is on the device, which can vary a fair bit, for both good and bad.
May 26 17:52:57 <danijoo> dragorn, yes
May 26 17:53:01 <danijoo> ups
May 26 17:53:09 <danijoo> alximych, yes
May 26 17:53:16 <alximych> thanks!
May 26 17:53:19 <danijoo> this is the reason why i dont use them
May 26 17:53:38 <groxx> alximych: good: some devices are localized to their local region (e.g. supporting languages that aren't in the "standard" set that Google supports.  bad: they might be missing all but the major languages.
May 26 17:54:23 <danijoo> also bad: If I do translation for 10 languages, and use android.R.string stuff, someone on language number 11 might get an app that is half english and half native
May 26 17:54:29 <danijoo> i prefer full english in this case
May 26 17:55:15 <groxx> yeah, there is that too.  though I don't really know which is actually better there - an app with buttons and the occasional random phrase that you can understand, or an app with nothing understandable?
May 26 17:56:27 <s73v3r> i would say an app with nothing understandable.
May 26 17:56:43 <danijoo> groxx, i dont think there is a benifit for the user to have a:   "Dies ist ein text den niemand versteht" : Yes, Cancel
May 26 17:56:56 <s73v3r> otherwise, it will give the impression that you half assed it
May 26 17:57:04 <danijoo> yeah
May 26 17:57:13 <danijoo> exactly
May 26 17:57:34 <danijoo> support it or not support it. theres nothing in between
May 26 17:57:38 <GodOfNaps> Is there some permission I need in order to create bundles?
May 26 17:57:40 <groxx> danijoo: as opposed to "ja, nein", where you don't even know what might be the safer option?
May 26 17:58:42 <danijoo> groxx, if you cant read the text because its not native, there is no point in native yes/no options
May 26 17:58:50 <luist> how do i remove the “debug” from my APK name? :P
May 26 17:58:55 <xpheres> hi
May 26 17:59:03 <danijoo> luist, by compiling it with your own key
May 26 17:59:11 <groxx> luist: by... not putting it in there in the first place?
May 26 17:59:23 <xpheres> I need to understand how to write versions in gradle
May 26 17:59:37 <danijoo> i'd use the keyboard
May 26 17:59:44 <xpheres> because I have an app in a repository and I need to update it
May 26 17:59:49 <dragorn> xpheres, i'd guess you mean flavors?
May 26 18:00:09 <xpheres> I started an app and is accepted in f droid repository
May 26 18:00:31 <xpheres> now everytime I improve I want to send a signal to that repository so people will be able to download the update
May 26 18:00:51 <xpheres> let me show you a website
May 26 18:01:00 <Bolto> Yo
May 26 18:01:46 <danijoo> xpheres, you need to change versionCode in build.gradle, compile it and upload it
May 26 18:01:49 <xpheres> https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/blob/master/metadata/com.example.root.analyticaltranslator.txt
May 26 18:01:54 <xpheres> right
May 26 18:02:00 <Bolto> Ok, so I need to populate a grid list (?) with thumbnails which are hosted online
May 26 18:02:04 <xpheres> just by uploading to git hub with the new version code
May 26 18:02:18 <xpheres> people will know that there is a new version right?
May 26 18:02:30 <xpheres> that's what I want to understand
May 26 18:02:45 <johnnyspice> hey everyone i'm running into issues with avd setup. i am new to android development. i am trying to setup the haxm but i'm getting vt-x error. this is where it gets tricky i am using a vm running on a dell 2950 III server. I have enabled the VT in esxi i have enable virtualization i have disabled on the vm hyperv. but still not successful
May 26 18:03:19 <groxx> afaik vm-inside-vm doesn't work with haxm
May 26 18:04:24 <johnnyspice> groxx: its a silly question but is haxm a vm?
May 26 18:04:50 <groxx> ah, I misread, thought you were running a virtualized server
May 26 18:04:51 <Bolto> haxm is a hypervisor
May 26 18:05:40 <johnnyspice> groxx: hmm...because i'm running esx which is a hypervisor, i wonder if that is where my issue is
May 26 18:05:46 <xpheres> there is any repository that you recommend me to publish my android app?
May 26 18:06:03 <groxx> outside play store, amazon store, dozens of chinese stores: fdroid is the biggest I know of
May 26 18:06:17 <groxx> especially if you're doing open source / gpl work
May 26 18:06:33 <xpheres> I want it published everywhere because that way people will know about it and may collaborate to improve the source code
May 26 18:06:47 <xpheres> yes that's what I thought
May 26 18:07:20 <danijoo> xpheres, a repository is not a store
May 26 18:07:21 <xpheres> I may think about amazon and google play
May 26 18:07:54 <xpheres> it doesn't matter danijoo, I want to publish it and maybe get some funds I will probably use to improve the app
May 26 18:07:56 <vedu> Hello. Play store says my app supports 15 languages. How can I configure this? I just have one strings.xml file
May 26 18:08:03 <danijoo> if you publish to a store and upload a new versionCode to it, everyone that got yout app from that store will get notified. yes
May 26 18:08:23 <danijoo> if you upload your code to a repository, nobody will get notified unless they activly follow it
May 26 18:08:23 <xpheres> right danijoo
May 26 18:08:30 <xpheres> mm
May 26 18:08:46 <danijoo> a repository is for managing your source files. a store for publishing
May 26 18:08:49 <xpheres> but I have fdroid and I get notification every time there is a new version for any app
May 26 18:09:01 <xpheres> so I guess the app manage to know about versions
May 26 18:09:04 <danijoo> xpheres, fdroid is a store, not a repository
May 26 18:09:10 <xpheres> ok
May 26 18:09:14 <Afzal> what's up people? Hyped for Android M?:!
May 26 18:09:21 <danijoo> a gas station is not a car :)
May 26 18:09:26 <xpheres> yeah I get it
May 26 18:09:47 <xpheres> My app has license gpl3
May 26 18:09:50 <danijoo> Afzal, should we?
May 26 18:09:56 <Afzal> Yeah!!
May 26 18:09:59 <xpheres> I guess I can sell it to get funds as well
May 26 18:10:05 <Guest63> Hello everybody , I have two activities if I switch from A->B no memory leaks , but if i add a Surfaceview in activityA layout (xml) (and do ANYTHING in the code) , I have a memory leak (SurfaceView keep a ref to ActivityA)
May 26 18:10:08 <xpheres> even If have to publish a free version
May 26 18:10:29 <Guest63> Is it normal ? :/
May 26 18:10:47 <danijoo> Afzal, it list with "better memory and battery performance". I translate this to "with even more memory leaks!"
May 26 18:11:00 <xpheres> I don't think I will be rich by the app, but If I get funds I may be able to pay people to help me improve and correct issues
May 26 18:11:06 <danijoo> you can always sell your own stuff
May 26 18:11:06 <Afzal> how do you translate "better memory" to "memory leaks"
May 26 18:11:11 <danijoo> no matter what license you chose
May 26 18:11:14 <xpheres> great
May 26 18:11:14 <groxx> xpheres: I dunno if github allows this, but you could have the app check for a .version file or something in the current master of your github repo
May 26 18:11:23 <danijoo> Afzal, free interpretation :) they said the same for L :p
May 26 18:11:27 <xpheres> yes groxx
May 26 18:11:31 <Afzal> they didn't :)
May 26 18:11:37 <Afzal> they didn't say better memory usage
May 26 18:11:39 <xpheres> I know there are several ways to write the version
May 26 18:11:46 <xpheres> I was thinking to use the gradle way
May 26 18:11:53 <xpheres> by writting in the gradle file
May 26 18:11:56 <groxx> they did say better battery for L, which fits with what I see at least.
May 26 18:11:59 <xpheres> but I have to look at github
May 26 18:12:11 <xpheres> because I see there is a special file that github use for versions
May 26 18:12:16 <drose379> sup xpheres
May 26 18:12:18 <danijoo> groxx, yeah.. after 5.1 this is true
May 26 18:12:33 <drose379> we were working on something the other day, I forget what it was
May 26 18:12:44 <danijoo> 5.0 hat lots of battery issues on some devices
May 26 18:12:45 <groxx> xpheres: you can ultimately just write java(-like) code in gradle, it can do anything.  it's _probably_ easiest to make a shell script that just calls `curl` or something though, and have gradle call it when you make a release build.
May 26 18:13:34 <g00s> groxx they say better battery for "M" too :)
May 26 18:13:43 <Afzal> well better still means better
May 26 18:13:47 <groxx> there's plenty of room to improve
May 26 18:13:47 <g00s> "general improvements and bug fixes"
May 26 18:13:57 <groxx> also bug breeding
May 26 18:13:57 <Afzal> yeah exactly as groxx said
May 26 18:14:04 <danijoo> g00s, lol
May 26 18:14:34 <Afzal> we need APIs for the low power dsp though
May 26 18:14:37 <Afzal> that thing is gold
May 26 18:15:00 <Afzal> instead of just "OK google" we need to be able to talk to the phone at all times
May 26 18:15:04 <danijoo> the multi window feature looks horrible to support
May 26 18:15:16 <danijoo> its an interessting feature as user, though
May 26 18:15:31 <adq> Afzal, no thanks
May 26 18:15:36 <g00s> danijoo is it useful for phones and tablets ?
May 26 18:15:42 <Afzal> adq why?
May 26 18:15:45 <danijoo> g00s, no idea
May 26 18:15:52 <adq> because it will be abused
May 26 18:16:00 <adq> leading to more privacy issues
May 26 18:16:02 <Afzal> then just don't install the app :/
May 26 18:16:06 <Afzal> wow seriously?
May 26 18:16:09 <danijoo> but I wonder how this should be implemented without fucking up guis
May 26 18:16:34 <g00s> adq they just need the right permissions
May 26 18:16:44 <adq> lol i was semi-joking
May 26 18:16:56 <adq> but why not in favor or simply waking up when needed?
May 26 18:17:14 <Afzal> I just want to say "call <name> and put it on speaker" without shouting "Ok google" 500 times
May 26 18:17:26 <Afzal> I end up cursing the shit out of my phone
May 26 18:17:57 <g00s> how would the phone know you are talking to it vs your friend right next to you ?
May 26 18:18:20 <Afzal> g00s yeah I just realized that, well then don't make "OK google" wake up some other function
May 26 18:18:24 <adq> go at IO, hack the speakers output, then say "ok google, [whatever you find funny]"
May 26 18:18:30 <Afzal> it could be one fluent sentence
May 26 18:18:31 <adq> and watch ppl
May 26 18:18:41 <Afzal> hahaha, go hack the speaker output first :p
May 26 18:18:49 <adq> you could borrow the mic
May 26 18:18:50 <adq> :)
May 26 18:18:50 <Afzal> it *should* be one fluent sentence
May 26 18:19:27 <adq> abracadabra could have been used instead of "ok google", a bit longer but less false positive
May 26 18:19:37 <adq> of course, marketing strategy to remind the word "google" then fail a lot
May 26 18:19:42 <Afzal> boomshakalaka
May 26 18:20:06 <adq> but back to what you ask Afzal, the chip handling your sim and sms is never sleeping iirc
May 26 18:20:06 <drose379> So guys quick question to make sure I understand
May 26 18:20:07 <Afzal> boomshakalaka call my dad and put him on speaker
May 26 18:20:10 <drose379> I have 2 linear layouts
May 26 18:20:14 <adq> this is why you don't have to "wake" your phone to receive an sms
May 26 18:20:16 <drose379> top one has layout_weight set to 3
May 26 18:20:18 <adq> but it has a cost :)
May 26 18:20:19 <drose379> bottom set to 1
May 26 18:20:35 <drose379> that means that the screen is split into 4 parts, the top layout takes up 3, bottom takes 1
May 26 18:20:37 <Afzal> adq, yeah but that's why they put a lower power dsp in there in the first place :)
May 26 18:20:48 <rymate1234> how do you rotate the android emulator?
May 26 18:20:50 <adq> no split into 2 parts, one is 3 times bigger than the other
May 26 18:21:00 <adq> you can verify that by yourself without asking
May 26 18:21:14 <drose379> So I could also do 1 and 0.25
May 26 18:21:23 <adq> you can specify weightSum
May 26 18:21:27 <adq> when you don't want to use a default one
May 26 18:21:35 <drose379> Whats the default?
May 26 18:21:39 <drose379> The sum of all the weights
May 26 18:21:46 <Afzal> instead of the lower power dsp launching something because you said "ok google", it needs to listen to the whole sentence before passing that whole sentence forward
May 26 18:21:46 <danijoo> you can also do 300 and 1000
May 26 18:21:48 <Afzal> do I make sense?
May 26 18:22:02 <adq> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/LinearLayout.html#attr_android:weightSum
May 26 18:22:13 <krang> Hey all, I'm building an android library with JNI components. Is there any reason for structure the directories like I would for a standard android studio project? I'd really like to skip src/main/(java||jni||res) and keep src and jni in the module's root directly. I can change all of the in sourceSets in my build.gradle, but was wondering about the wisdom of it.
May 26 18:22:15 <adq> If unspecified, the sum is computed by adding the layout_weight of all of the children.
May 26 18:22:18 <szronik> I'm looking for an alternative to the Android emulator that comes with Android Studio. What's the best one, in your opinion?
May 26 18:22:25 <adq> so the default is the sum of your weights
May 26 18:22:31 <pfn> krang, set it however you like, it really doesn't matter
May 26 18:22:33 <drose379> So I have 1 and 0.25
May 26 18:22:44 <adq> Afzal, you make sense but it would not be efficient
May 26 18:22:46 <g00s> szronik aren't really many options beside genymotion
May 26 18:22:47 <pfn> krang, it's nice to follow the standard, but ultimately doesn't matter
May 26 18:22:52 <krang> pfn: That's what I figured. Cheers!
May 26 18:22:54 <groxx> szronik: genymotion is probably the main one.  or a real device :)  otherwise, why are you looking for an alternative?  the stock ones work pretty well (minus some gaps)
May 26 18:22:57 <adq> cause in order to have to listen and recognize the sentence, except if hardcoded/calibrated
May 26 18:23:01 <adq> you need to process a lot
May 26 18:23:06 <adq> and that will not fly on low power mode
May 26 18:23:20 <drose379> adq 1.25 means that the bottom layout (0.25) takes up a quarter of the top layout (1)
May 26 18:23:22 <adq> just one second at a decent samplerate (let's say 8kHz for a voice and this is poor)
May 26 18:23:25 <Afzal> adq I don't see it being very different honestly. It still looks for the keyword but you now also have to put the code which detects end of speech. That's it
May 26 18:23:25 <szronik> groxx: I'm taking a course on android development and I've been having major issues with the emulator.
May 26 18:23:28 <adq> that's a tremendous amount of op
May 26 18:23:31 <adq> in 1 sec
May 26 18:23:35 <szronik> groxx: Apart from the part that it's slow.
May 26 18:23:51 <drose379> szronik do you have an android device?
May 26 18:23:54 <Afzal> oh I see
May 26 18:23:55 <drose379> You could just test on that
May 26 18:24:02 <Afzal> well then that's just how I want it lol
May 26 18:24:04 <krang> pfn: Is there any point in splitting my build.gradle into a main and module file, or should I just use a single file, since I'm only building a single library?
May 26 18:24:07 <adq> drose379, just read the doc
May 26 18:24:17 <Afzal> tremendous amount of op never stopped anyone ;)
May 26 18:24:24 <groxx> szronik: have you installed haxm?
May 26 18:24:33 <groxx> szronik: + using an intel image?
May 26 18:24:43 <adq> two layouts of 1 and 1 weights, make each of their height 50% of the parent height
May 26 18:24:48 <szronik> groxx: HAXM installed and working, intel image.
May 26 18:24:56 <adq> 3 layouts of 1 weights makes them 33%
May 26 18:24:59 <adq> etc
May 26 18:25:09 <danijoo> adq unless i have a bigger weightsum :p
May 26 18:25:14 <szronik> drose379: Three android devices at home. All of them running android 2.3.x, unfortunately.
May 26 18:25:19 <drose379> damn
May 26 18:25:20 <groxx> szronik: + gpu acceleration? typically that results in an emulated-device that's several times faster than any real device
May 26 18:25:27 <adq> 1 layout of weight=2 and 1 layout with weight=2 makes the first one 33% and the second one 66%
May 26 18:25:29 <adq> it's not complicated
May 26 18:25:30 <drose379> adq I set weight sum to 1.20
May 26 18:25:32 <drose379> one has 1
May 26 18:25:36 <drose379> other has 0.20
May 26 18:25:40 <adq> oops weight=1 for the first, typo oops
May 26 18:25:41 <drose379> should work
May 26 18:25:49 <groxx> software GPU is pretty slow if you try to run it on a "large" emulated device, I'd say lower the density to mdpi / use something smaller.
May 26 18:25:57 <adq> drose379, it will work
May 26 18:26:05 <wakelock> man drose379, you're still in here talking? lol :p
May 26 18:26:12 <adq> but the layout with weight 0.20 is not 20%
May 26 18:26:14 <szronik> groxx: I have 4GB of RAM. The emulator + android studio just chew up everything.
May 26 18:26:22 <groxx> ha, yes, that does happen :)
May 26 18:26:23 <drose379> what is it adq
May 26 18:26:28 <groxx> genymotion won't help you there though
May 26 18:26:28 <drose379> I just got back wakelock
May 26 18:26:36 <danijoo> you need more ram
May 26 18:26:39 <danijoo> or use a real device
May 26 18:26:48 <wakelock> me too, and all I already have a screenful of you :p
May 26 18:26:53 <wakelock> -all
May 26 18:26:54 <adq> it's 16.6666%
May 26 18:26:57 <drose379> lol, is that a bad thing
May 26 18:27:06 <drose379> hm ok adq
May 26 18:27:09 <szronik> Have any of you guys heard of coursera? I'm taking a course there, and I've spent 95% of my time dealing with issues instead of coding.
May 26 18:27:11 <adq> 0.20 is 16.6% of 1.20...
May 26 18:27:21 <groxx> yeah.  tbh I'd recommend getting a real device too, maybe some old crappy thing.  if you don't need it to work as a _phone_, old carrier-locked phones are pretty cheap.
May 26 18:27:27 <drose379> Ohhh ok
May 26 18:27:33 <adq> why don't you read?
May 26 18:27:35 <szronik> Issues such as, the app loaded yesterday and today the android emulator just goes black.
May 26 18:27:39 <drose379> I do
May 26 18:27:55 <adq> <adq> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/LinearLayout.html#attr_android:weightSum
May 26 18:27:55 <adq> <adq> If unspecified, the sum is computed by adding the layout_weight of all of the children.
May 26 18:28:07 <drose379> ..?
May 26 18:28:19 <szronik> groxx: The code I'm working with is for Android 4.0+ The device I can use has 512MB internal memory, won't go past 2.3
May 26 18:28:57 <szronik> Let me just start up the emulator again, with a stopwatch.
May 26 18:30:13 <groxx> technically 4.4 could work on it, but yeah, device makers don't typically upgrade much.
May 26 18:30:32 <adq> emulator is unreliable, so you have to restart it from time to time
May 26 18:30:51 <wakelock> only if you mess with it too much IMHO
May 26 18:30:54 <szronik> So I assume most of you use real devices?
May 26 18:30:58 <adq> man you don't use it often
May 26 18:31:05 <wakelock> I use it all the time?
May 26 18:31:06 <adq> you don't have to do anything sometimes except starting it
May 26 18:31:16 <adq> and wait for the crash
May 26 18:31:18 <wakelock> mine works fine *shrug*
May 26 18:31:29 <wakelock> never crashed
May 26 18:31:41 <adq> you're very (to not say extremly) lucky
May 26 18:31:47 <adq> and i have hard time to believe you, but anyway
May 26 18:31:47 <szronik> HAX is working and emulator runs in fast virt mode
May 26 18:31:54 <groxx> yeah, since ~build tools 19 or so it has been really stable for me.  not before then, though.
May 26 18:32:06 <g00s> szronik Android is like a black hole - subtle quirks in the laws of physics, then amplify them to such proportions that they can't be ignored.
May 26 18:32:30 <szronik> Yeah I'm thinking of switching to Xamarin
May 26 18:32:49 <g00s> xamarin will have its own bugs
May 26 18:32:51 <wakelock> xamarin... in the context of black holes... sounds legit :D
May 26 18:32:58 <g00s> then you will have xamarin + android bugs :)
May 26 18:33:03 <drose379> is xamarin better then phonegap?
May 26 18:33:13 <wakelock> both are crappy, lol
May 26 18:33:23 <szronik> Yeah but I'll have the ability to use the same code base for different OSes
May 26 18:33:32 <luist> groxx: i have no idea how i put it in there :)
May 26 18:33:43 <szronik> Android launching (5 mins later)
May 26 18:33:48 <drose379> Phonegap uses JS and xamarin uses C#
May 26 18:33:53 <drose379> wonder which is better
May 26 18:33:55 <wakelock> szronik, you'd think that helps
May 26 18:34:13 <wakelock> just stick with java
May 26 18:34:20 <wakelock> as far as android goes anyway
May 26 18:34:24 <groxx> luist: probably: gradle file, manifest file(s), or strings file(s)
May 26 18:34:29 <drose379> yeah, I am enjoying learning android so far
May 26 18:34:38 <szronik> I don't mind Java
May 26 18:34:43 <drose379> Guys I got a question
May 26 18:34:44 <szronik> I Just like C# more
May 26 18:34:58 <drose379> For someone who has only used java for android development
May 26 18:35:05 <wakelock> nobody should have any business even thinking of anything non-java on android before they master java to a sufficient level
May 26 18:35:06 <drose379> Would it be reasonable to put java as a skill on a resume?
May 26 18:35:09 <luist> groxx: thers no such thing in any of these
May 26 18:35:26 <adq> drose379, yes and no :)
May 26 18:35:32 <drose379> elaborate?
May 26 18:35:39 <adq> android is the platform and java is the language
May 26 18:35:39 <drose379> :)
May 26 18:35:43 <adq> for the yes
May 26 18:35:56 <wakelock> drose379, java on android overlaps general java substantially, however having to deal with android SDKs and APIs could easily skew your mind if you're not careful
May 26 18:35:58 <szronik> emulator has gone blank
May 26 18:36:08 <adq> but to be considered as a real skill, you need to have spent year on java i guess (whatever the platform is)
May 26 18:36:12 <adq> for the no
May 26 18:36:33 <adq> years*
May 26 18:36:34 <drose379> Ok, so as long as I put time into java seperatley then I can be a full yes
May 26 18:36:55 <adq> assuming you learn a lot yes, if you're still a noob after years, which i doubt, it would be even lying
May 26 18:37:05 <danijoo> if you do 5 yhears in android. you can put a yes in java :)
May 26 18:37:25 <drose379> all in all, java is java, dalvik just compiles it differently then reg VM, correct?
May 26 18:37:25 <adq> in fact, any skill you got, you should be confident about putting it as skill
May 26 18:37:34 <adq> there is no modesty here, when it comes to your CV
May 26 18:37:47 <adq> you should know what you know enough to be considered as a skill
May 26 18:38:02 <drose379> Right
May 26 18:38:04 <danijoo> especially know that you dont know everything :_
May 26 18:38:09 <drose379> Right
May 26 18:38:17 <drose379> I put down Android(Java)
May 26 18:38:19 <wakelock> sometimes you have to be bold though, and list something as a skill even if you're not *that* proficient (yet)
May 26 18:38:56 <adq> yeah last time i helped for some recruiting interview, a guy put Linux, Unix, etc in his CV
May 26 18:39:03 <wakelock> sooo... #android-dev is now giving career advice too? lol
May 26 18:39:10 <drose379> lol why not
May 26 18:39:13 <adq> then in few oral sentences he made during his interview, he clearly mistaken both, many times
May 26 18:39:19 <adq> he was screwed
May 26 18:39:20 <wakelock> drose379, because off-topic?
May 26 18:39:21 <drose379> oh thats not good
May 26 18:39:44 <drose379> adq so if you put it down on resume and can back it up during interview, then its all good
May 26 18:39:47 <szronik> Okay, I'm going to the gym. Need to get away from Android studio for a bit.
May 26 18:39:52 <drose379> lol
May 26 18:39:58 <adq> this is expected drose379
May 26 18:39:58 <drose379> weve all felt that way szronik
May 26 18:40:01 <adq> not even "good" :)
May 26 18:40:07 <drose379> its expected, ok
May 26 18:40:29 <szronik> No seriously I just added five counters to some code.
May 26 18:40:34 <szronik> And I wanted to run it.
May 26 18:40:36 <shmooz> I know everything, just ask me
May 26 18:40:37 <wakelock> adq, at my former faculty they needed a new sysadmin, they interviewed one guy and he somehow convinced them he's got it all. then an hour later he shuffled down to the current (soon to leave) admin and asked "so um, do you have any learn-unix-fast books to recommend?"
May 26 18:40:50 <szronik> It's been like 6 hours. (First issues with HAXM, solved, now I don't know what)
May 26 18:40:51 <adq> lol
May 26 18:41:09 <drose379> Doing android dev and learning java while writing android apps will help with java classes in college
May 26 18:41:10 <drose379> will it not?
May 26 18:41:20 <wakelock> yes
May 26 18:41:32 <drose379> it will?
May 26 18:41:38 <wakelock> I just said yes...
May 26 18:41:38 <szronik> wakelock: Kudos to him for socialhacking.
May 26 18:41:48 <drose379> well it was confusing cause I said will it not
May 26 18:41:50 <drose379> then you said yes
May 26 18:41:57 <drose379> so I didnt know what you were confirming :P
May 26 18:41:59 <wakelock> szronik, not really, just shows how the interviewers were utterly and completely clueless as well
May 26 18:42:08 <shmooz> not really
May 26 18:42:08 <adq> ^
May 26 18:42:16 <szronik> wakelock: Did he keep the job?
May 26 18:42:16 <wakelock> drose379, yes
May 26 18:42:17 <wakelock> :p
May 26 18:42:19 <adq> if they got fooled at screening...
May 26 18:42:22 <wakelock> szronik, surprisingly, yes
May 26 18:42:25 <adq> what will happen next lol
May 26 18:42:31 <drose379> shmooz what was the not really to
May 26 18:42:32 <szronik> wakelock: So like I said, kudos to him for socialhacking :)
May 26 18:42:41 <wakelock> ok, fair enough :p
May 26 18:42:44 <shmooz> it won't really help
May 26 18:42:49 <drose379> really? how come?
May 26 18:42:50 <szronik> wakelock: He said he could do it, he did it.
May 26 18:43:03 <wakelock> I think both sides compromised a lot ;)
May 26 18:43:07 <shmooz> drose379: you concentrate on what you are doing at the time and do it that way
May 26 18:43:16 <paulo_> i just realized
May 26 18:43:19 <paulo_> my app has no share buttons
May 26 18:43:20 <szronik> wakelock: As long as he's not sysadmining a nuclear facility, I don't care.
May 26 18:43:26 <shmooz> doing one one time doesn't really help another another time
May 26 18:43:42 <wakelock> no, it was not the nuclear sciences faculty/college
May 26 18:43:42 <szronik> ok gym time
May 26 18:43:49 <drose379> shmooz but knowing how to write java and knowing OOP principals will help?
May 26 18:43:50 <szronik> adios all I'll be back in 2-3 hrs
May 26 18:43:57 <wakelock> paulo_, THAT'S TERRIBAD!
May 26 18:44:05 <shmooz> drose379: yes it will
May 26 18:44:10 <szronik> principles!
May 26 18:44:12 <szronik> adios
May 26 18:44:15 <drose379> :P
May 26 18:44:17 <shmooz> but you have to usually relearn it anyway
May 26 18:44:40 <shmooz> or reremember it
May 26 18:44:47 <drose379> So knowing OOP will help, but making android apps in particular wont help
May 26 18:44:49 <wakelock> drose379, are you really *this* insecure? that alone will kill all your hiring chances y'know
May 26 18:44:50 <paulo_> and there no buzz about it on twitter.
May 26 18:44:54 <paulo_> *'s
May 26 18:45:02 <drose379> Im not insecure, just wondering what you guys think
May 26 18:45:11 <wakelock> lol yes you are
May 26 18:45:15 <wakelock> it shows
May 26 18:45:16 <drose379> im new, want to make sure im going the right path
May 26 18:45:54 <wakelock> you'll have me convinced after you blow their minds at the next job interview ;)
May 26 18:46:21 <drose379> I had one a few weeks ago
May 26 18:46:23 <drose379> :)
May 26 18:46:33 <wakelock> minds blown?
May 26 18:46:41 <drose379> dont know,  I did get the job
May 26 18:46:48 <wakelock> I see
May 26 18:46:53 <wakelock> cool
May 26 18:46:57 <drose379> Its an internship, not job
May 26 18:47:06 <wakelock> first step, right?
May 26 18:47:09 <drose379> yeah
May 26 18:47:14 <wakelock> yet you're already wondering what to put in your CV :p
May 26 18:47:19 <shmooz> drose379: don't stop searching for another job
May 26 18:47:29 <adq> drose379, do your CV in LaTeX :)
May 26 18:47:30 <wakelock> is it a paying job? :p
May 26 18:47:32 <adq> (i did it)
May 26 18:47:40 <drose379> wakelock its an internship so they pay is low
May 26 18:47:41 <adq> and don't put the skill "LaTeX" in it
May 26 18:47:46 <drose379> Im more interested in the experience
May 26 18:48:05 <drose379> TBH im asking all these questions because I want to know where ill be once I get to my Comp sci courses
May 26 18:48:07 <wakelock> adq, surprisingly, that skill is largely unimpressive around here
May 26 18:48:19 <adq> it's not a skill lol
May 26 18:48:22 <wakelock> nobody would care if I did it in latex or even put latex as my skill
May 26 18:48:24 <adq> (not for me)
May 26 18:48:24 <adq> <adq> and don't put the skill "LaTeX" in it
May 26 18:48:45 <wakelock> so you did it in latex for your own sake? well ok
May 26 18:48:49 <adq> no
May 26 18:48:53 <shmooz> drose379: you'll be carrying ethernet cables for some slimey guy or moving heavy old monitors to the basement
May 26 18:48:57 <adq> because it provides an extremly sober output
May 26 18:49:04 <drose379> haha you think so shmooz
May 26 18:49:16 <wakelock> PDF made by libreoffice works perfectly fine for me ;)
May 26 18:49:26 <adq> i tend to use linkedin when someone asks me for a CV tbh
May 26 18:49:26 <drose379> Yeah I did a pdf wakelock
May 26 18:49:35 <shmooz> drose379: that's what they offered me after I finished my programming school ;)
May 26 18:49:39 <wakelock> shmooz, replacing toners in dozens of dusty old printers
May 26 18:49:50 <drose379> haha, they said they need a prototype application
May 26 18:50:00 <drose379> And they did ask about techinical stuff during interview
May 26 18:50:03 <drose379> so im hoping for the best :P
May 26 18:50:39 <wakelock> adq, in my experience linkedin is good as a starting point, but they usually ask me for a *real* CV afterwards
May 26 18:50:56 <adq> yeah, they all do
May 26 18:51:08 <adq> somtimes, they ask specifically for a .doc
May 26 18:51:09 <adq> lol
May 26 18:51:09 <drose379> wakelock why do you think im insecure?
May 26 18:51:21 <g00s> adq thats when i export my linkedIn as pdf :)
May 26 18:51:23 <drose379> besides the fact that im asking you why you think im insecure :P
May 26 18:51:31 <wakelock> g00s wins
May 26 18:51:39 <wakelock> drose379, lol, exactly
May 26 18:52:01 <drose379> but nah I dont think I am, just wondering about a lot of stuff for the future
May 26 18:52:06 <drose379> I guess I can see why it comes off that way though
May 26 18:52:25 <shmooz> drose379: just do it
May 26 18:52:35 <drose379> just do it?
May 26 18:52:37 <wakelock> plus, it was kind of funny how you asked a question and got responses, some of which kind of ambiguous, and then you went to great lengths to make sure you understand each one correctly and don't miss out on any of them
May 26 18:52:46 <shmooz> yeah, don't wonder and ponder
May 26 18:52:51 <wakelock> yet it was just a "casual chat" kind of question
May 26 18:52:51 <adq> drose379, extra activities, put good stuff in it, not music video games and movie ;)
May 26 18:52:55 <shmooz> or waste time wondering
May 26 18:52:57 <wakelock> at least seemed like that
May 26 18:53:21 <drose379> You guys are smart people
May 26 18:53:27 <drose379> with lots more experience then me
May 26 18:53:36 <drose379> Why not try to get some insight :)
May 26 18:53:39 <xpheres> hi
May 26 18:53:44 <xpheres> anyone has a google market account?
May 26 18:53:55 <adq> many here, but that's not what you want to know
May 26 18:53:57 <xpheres> anyone knows if the 25€ payment is just once for life?
May 26 18:54:03 <adq> once for life, indeed
May 26 18:54:06 <xpheres> right
May 26 18:54:07 <adq> (until further notice)
May 26 18:54:16 <xpheres> so you don't have to pay monthly or yearly fees
May 26 18:54:17 <wakelock> xpheres, always avout this kind of unnecessary meta questions
May 26 18:54:21 <wakelock> avoid*
May 26 18:54:21 <shmooz> drose379: because you'll never what things will be , so you kindof have to decide as you go
May 26 18:54:35 <drose379> yeah
May 26 18:54:35 <adq> xpheres, nope but if you sell stuff (paid app, or in-app billing), there are fees
May 26 18:54:39 <xpheres> ok wakelock, where better should I ask this?
May 26 18:54:45 <xpheres> because I'm thinking to open an account
May 26 18:54:47 <wakelock> um... what?
May 26 18:55:03 <wakelock> I don't recall saying this is the wrong channel or anything...
May 26 18:55:06 <adq> xpheres, it's mandatory even if you plan to publish free app
May 26 18:55:07 <xpheres> yes adq, I know there is also a percentage
May 26 18:55:28 <adq> or you can choose to distribute your app outside of google play
May 26 18:55:34 <Afzal> have you guys used any gradle plugins like fatjar or onejar?
May 26 18:55:34 <xpheres> I did indeed
May 26 18:55:36 <adq> but 25$ is not a big deal
May 26 18:55:38 <adq> do it :)
May 26 18:55:42 <wakelock> it is to me
May 26 18:55:45 <xpheres> I'm just thinking to open the market
May 26 18:55:52 <wakelock> I'm sure not giving them the extortion fee
May 26 18:56:07 <PeteS> has anyone had issues getting android:textViewStyle to work... like... at all? Apparently it was broken in the recent appcompat v7 library, but I'm not using that, so I just don't understand why my TextViews aren't getting styled from textViewStyle
May 26 18:56:16 <xpheres> yes wakelock
May 26 18:56:23 <xpheres> I prefer to sell it by myself
May 26 18:56:26 <xpheres> I agree
May 26 18:56:34 <wakelock> um ok
May 26 18:56:34 <xpheres> that's what retain me from creating the google account
May 26 18:56:53 <wakelock> I'm talking about the membership fee, not the per-sale fees
May 26 18:56:56 <wakelock> but okay
May 26 18:56:56 <drose379> wakelock do you have anything on the market?
May 26 18:57:02 <wakelock> ...
May 26 18:57:02 <xpheres> both things
May 26 18:57:15 <xpheres> for a small app that you don't know if you are going to make any sellss
May 26 18:57:16 <wakelock> dude I just said I'm not paying the fee
May 26 18:57:17 <xpheres> it's too big
May 26 18:57:27 <wakelock> how would I have anything on the market?
May 26 18:57:30 <xpheres> while people who have huge app and sells millions of apps should pay the same
May 26 18:57:33 <drose379> so how are you gonna get your apps to people?
May 26 18:57:34 <xpheres> I don't find it fair
May 26 18:57:34 <adq> lol
May 26 18:57:40 <drose379> amazon?
May 26 18:57:48 <xpheres> yes also
May 26 18:57:55 <adq> xpheres, it's very cheap according to what the platform provides to you for 25$ only
May 26 18:57:59 <xpheres> I have direct download link and f droid
May 26 18:57:59 <adq> i think you're not fair
May 26 18:58:02 <wakelock> drose379, I make apps for carefully targetted audience, and I distributed it to them personally
May 26 18:58:07 <wakelock> I don't care if anyone else uses them
May 26 18:58:09 <xpheres> ok maybe
May 26 18:58:13 <adq> and the 25$ has nothing to do with the success of your app
May 26 18:58:16 <xpheres> anyway I don't think I'm going to make much money
May 26 18:58:19 <drose379> thats interesting wakelock
May 26 18:58:20 <adq> it's mainly for banking verification
May 26 18:58:30 <adq> and to prevent hello world to contaminate the store listing
May 26 18:58:38 <xpheres> I'm just interested in making people know about it and getting traffic to my github
May 26 18:58:49 <xpheres> I understand that adq
May 26 18:58:56 <wakelock> adq, yet there is an abundance of "example" or "tester" apps on it anyway :p
May 26 18:59:06 <xpheres> yes...
May 26 18:59:11 <xpheres> so I may give it a try
May 26 18:59:15 <adq> wakelock, yes
May 26 18:59:24 <adq> but it would be worst without a little fee
May 26 18:59:26 <wakelock> adq, probably because $25 is too low :D
May 26 18:59:33 <xpheres> I think it is the most famous market
May 26 18:59:44 <adq> dependson the country
May 26 18:59:45 <xpheres> basically because is preinstalled
May 26 18:59:51 <wakelock> only because it comes preinstalled on most devices
May 26 18:59:53 <adq> it's not preinstalled everywhere
May 26 18:59:55 <wakelock> like winblows and IE
May 26 18:59:59 <xpheres> yes
May 26 19:00:03 <xpheres> that's the main reason
May 26 19:00:31 <wakelock> adq, it's preinstalled on like 95%+ of consumer devices
May 26 19:00:35 <adq> <xpheres> I'm just interested in making people know about it and getting traffic to my github <- if 25$ per "many years" (lifetime is too big and make no sense) is too much
May 26 19:00:37 <adq> good luck
May 26 19:00:52 <adq> wakelock, not really but i'm too lazy to show stats of just china per example
May 26 19:01:00 <drose379> guys im having an issue with 2 buttons in a linear layout padding
May 26 19:01:01 <xpheres> yes adq
May 26 19:01:04 <xpheres> is not that much
May 26 19:01:04 <wakelock> mmm ok
May 26 19:01:13 <drose379> for some reason the buttons have a margin around them
May 26 19:01:20 <drose379> Im trying to get rid of it but nothings working
May 26 19:01:24 <wakelock> maybe because of their drawable?
May 26 19:01:25 <xpheres> it is just, that at the begining, I don't think I will even pay the cost by selling it
May 26 19:01:29 <adq> wondering too about india, many ppl there
May 26 19:01:34 <adq> lot of "non CTS" devices
May 26 19:01:42 <adq> world is big
May 26 19:02:02 <drose379> do they have a drawable by default wakelock
May 26 19:02:16 <xpheres> on the other side, my apps are open source so people will pay just because they want to support me, because they will always have the app for free
May 26 19:02:18 <wakelock> yet when people need worldwide stats, they always turn to play store stats, adq ;)
May 26 19:02:29 <wakelock> drose379, how else do you think they are drawn?
May 26 19:02:32 <adq> drose379, it's probably the 9-patch drawable of the button too
May 26 19:02:40 <adq> remove the background and set a flat color to see
May 26 19:02:41 <wakelock> that's what I'm talking about
May 26 19:02:47 <drose379> ok yeah
May 26 19:03:03 <adq> or use hierarchyviewer or something close to it to debug your padding/margin
May 26 19:03:26 <drose379> Im trying the background change now
May 26 19:03:36 <drose379> yup, was background
May 26 19:03:40 <xpheres> any recommendation regarding making funds with an open source app? like giving special features or updates priority to the paid app?
May 26 19:03:41 <wakelock> of course it is
May 26 19:03:48 * wakelock knew it all along
May 26 19:03:52 <drose379> nice job wakelock
May 26 19:04:08 <drose379> :P
May 26 19:04:20 <pfn> xpheres, easy, just make it paid and call it a day
May 26 19:04:28 <wakelock> xpheres, this is not a financial or PR channel, others in here often struggle with it as well
May 26 19:04:29 <pfn> xpheres, as for making money, not much money to be made...
May 26 19:04:29 <adq> lol
May 26 19:04:32 <pfn> at least not for niche apps
May 26 19:04:43 <pfn> I've made a couple thousand off my apps... not much at all
May 26 19:05:01 <wakelock> couple thousand... gold bars?
May 26 19:05:13 <xpheres> ok wakelock I understand those questions are out of scope here
May 26 19:05:23 <pfn> dollars
May 26 19:05:34 <pfn> but my apps are all pretty niche
May 26 19:05:43 <xpheres> I just want to be able to pay java developers in the future to correct some issues
May 26 19:05:44 <pfn> maybe enough to pay my phone bill over the years
May 26 19:06:04 <wakelock> xpheres, ok, start up a business and hire an expert to manage it
May 26 19:06:12 <xpheres> hehe
May 26 19:06:24 <xpheres> I wish I would be able to do that wakelock
May 26 19:06:36 <dragorn> the only way i've made money off android stuff is to license it to work to include directly on hw
May 26 19:06:45 <dragorn> that almost made the hourly equivalent worth it :P
May 26 19:06:47 <dragorn> almost.
May 26 19:06:48 <wakelock> not quite sure how you expect people in here to help, xpheres
May 26 19:06:56 <xpheres> unfortunately I don't think I have such a good skills to start a business in app development
May 26 19:06:59 <pfn> dragorn, on personal stuff?
May 26 19:07:05 <dragorn> pfn, yeah
May 26 19:07:12 <pfn> dragorn, oh, you mean you licensed your personal stuff to work, heh
May 26 19:07:14 <dragorn> pfn, yeah
May 26 19:07:16 <pfn> that's practically for work  :p
May 26 19:07:31 <xpheres> well wakelock, I just wanted feedback,I'm happy to hear people's opinion and know about their experience
May 26 19:07:37 <wakelock> ok
May 26 19:07:46 <dragorn> pfn, except I wrote it before I worked for them, so i ended up with the app I wanted AND most of a new truck.  I'd call it a win.
May 26 19:07:54 <pfn> dragorn, not bad
May 26 19:08:03 <pfn> yeah, my personal stuff is just enough for trinkets
May 26 19:08:15 <drose379> Im gonna run guys
May 26 19:08:16 <wakelock> should've licensed it for more, to cover the whole truck
May 26 19:08:22 <wakelock> either that or get a cheaper truck :p
May 26 19:08:26 <drose379> see ya
May 26 19:08:47 <dragorn> pfn, yup.  I wrote it while I was unemployed for a while to see if there was any community support for that sort of thing.  The answer was, not really, but it worked out in the end.
May 26 19:08:59 <g00s> ugh, i've been doing this refactor so long now i dont even remember why i'm doing it
May 26 19:09:06 <dragorn> wakelock, that's when I a) license it for the second gen hw, and b) get royalties past a certain # of devices sold :P
May 26 19:09:24 <adq> lol g00s
May 26 19:09:41 <g00s> pfn if i want to copy TransferQueue to my project, but it inherits from AbstractQueue stuff, do you think I need to copy its super classes too ?
May 26 19:09:56 <pfn> g00s, dunno, if it's not in framework yet, then of course you need to copy it
May 26 19:09:57 <g00s> not sure if AbstractQueue has changed from 16-21
May 26 19:10:06 <shmooz> xpheres: create a features auction where people have to outpay eachother to get their requested feature added
May 26 19:10:08 <dragorn> g00s, I'd imagine you can't compile w/out its parent class
May 26 19:10:10 <g00s> AbstractQueue is in the framework
May 26 19:10:20 <g00s> TransferQueue is just a new impl
May 26 19:10:33 <pfn> g00s, then you're done, unless the base class changed
May 26 19:10:33 <xpheres> shmooz, I found long time ago a website that made that kind of auctions...
May 26 19:10:39 <xpheres> I wonder how it was called
May 26 19:10:47 <xpheres> but good idea shmooz
May 26 19:10:49 <xpheres> thanks
May 26 19:10:55 <g00s> yeah ... thats the thing, i guess i have to check if the base class changed :(
May 26 19:11:57 <wakelock> dragorn, ok, win :)
May 26 19:12:15 <dragorn> wakelock, for something I didn't expect to recoup a sane hourly rate on in the first place, it's all a win.
May 26 19:12:32 <wakelock> true dat
May 26 19:12:49 <wakelock> I see a business spirit in you, young padawan
May 26 19:13:22 <dragorn> yeah I do enough business bullshit already;  tho I actually get to work on code today in between meetings, it's kind of nice.
May 26 19:13:37 <pfn> g00s, go into aosp, git log AbstractQueue.java  :p
May 26 19:13:39 <Ologn> There's an easy way to make money with an open source app...just put the app out with ads
May 26 19:13:42 <pfn> g00s, pretty easy
May 26 19:13:51 <pfn> Ologn, that's only if you get enough eyeballs
May 26 19:13:52 <xpheres> mm
May 26 19:13:54 <xpheres> I hate ads
May 26 19:13:58 <pfn> I have practically no users/not enough users on my free apps
May 26 19:14:01 <pfn> again, all niche apps
May 26 19:14:04 <xpheres> I uninstalled many apps because of the annoying ads
May 26 19:14:06 <dragorn> Just put the app out paid with a link to the source
May 26 19:14:07 <wakelock> Ologn, good luck with that
May 26 19:14:17 <Ologn> pfn: Well without another customers you won't make money under any circumstances
May 26 19:14:17 <pfn> dragorn, yeah, that's what I do
May 26 19:14:19 <g00s> pfn yeah i have sources from sdk manager, but to do git ops i'll need to dl the whole base framework repo ... on 1mbit/s
May 26 19:14:21 <xpheres> I think there should be better ways to get funds
May 26 19:14:30 <dragorn> I can promise you, there's a very very small number of people willing to compile it themselves.
May 26 19:14:37 <pfn> g00s, go somewhere with good bandwidth and clone it, should always walk around
May 26 19:14:44 <pfn> dragorn, yeah, I think 2 people compiled keepshare on their own, heh
May 26 19:14:56 <pfn> then again, I only have a hundred-ish active users
May 26 19:15:09 <dragorn> Out of ~2900 installs I think I've gotten 3-4 people who emailed me about code on one app
May 26 19:15:32 <dragorn> and out of 60k installs on the free app I think i've gotten maybe 5 emails about compiling anything
May 26 19:15:34 <wakelock> dragorn, compile != learn from ;)
May 26 19:16:08 <dragorn> wakelock, that's not the question though.  the question is, how do you make any money off an oss app.  I'm saying there's no reason not to charge a modest fee and also provide the source.
May 26 19:16:49 <dragorn> wakelock, obviously i feel there's benefit in open source stuff, basically everything I do outside of work, and everything I can outside of chipset NDAs at work, is open source.
May 26 19:17:03 <wakelock> agreed, and cool
May 26 19:17:21 <adq> eheh dragorn, https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-70ZC43c5Jso/SPqQoBkWU0I/AAAAAAAABlc/1P-ItJ_Suws/w859-h644-no/improved-fakeap.png long time ago (just 10 years) you explained to me the issue I have with BSS timestamp (you were involved in kismet at that time) </nostalgia>
May 26 19:17:38 <wakelock> I've donated to quite a few opensource apps, even though I didn't have to and technically got nothing for it lol
May 26 19:17:50 <xpheres> really
May 26 19:17:52 <xpheres> that's great
May 26 19:17:55 <dragorn> anyhow; the point i was going for was, the "i'll compile it myself" market is really small and isn't going to cut into your app sales in any reasonable amount.  If you get any app sales is a different question
May 26 19:17:55 <xpheres> I prefer donations to payment
May 26 19:18:09 <adq> xchat tries to use this model iirc
May 26 19:18:10 <dragorn> adq, haha, awesome!  I still do kismet stuff, tho work has hammered my life lately
May 26 19:18:17 <adq> sources were free, binary were not
May 26 19:18:21 <wakelock> xpheres, all you've ever talked about in the past hour was about money, are you really sure you're in the right channel?
May 26 19:18:21 <adq> not sure it worked well
May 26 19:18:29 <adq> dragorn, glad to hear :)
May 26 19:18:41 <wakelock> "how to make money off of it" should never be the primary motivation for making apps
May 26 19:18:44 <dragorn> adq, actually just ordered an android auto head unit and have visions dancing in my head of a bt-connected kismet client doing output on the stereo :)
May 26 19:19:01 <adq> ahah {war|car}-driving is not dead
May 26 19:19:05 <adq> but still a crime i guess ;)
May 26 19:19:19 <dragorn> re: making money, personally I feel zero guilt providing the source and saying "if you don't want to compile it yourself, buy me the equivalent of a coffee."
May 26 19:19:28 <danijoo> it has never been a crime to just map wifis
May 26 19:19:35 <wakelock> dragorn, yes, it's called a donation ;)
May 26 19:19:38 <adq> depends on the country danijoo
May 26 19:19:44 <danijoo> in germany its k :)
May 26 19:20:03 <adq> xpheres, be aware that donation are inefficient, it's still better than nothing of course
May 26 19:20:24 <dragorn> It's problematic.  Specifically in the 9th circuit in the US right now.
May 26 19:20:26 <adq> but ppl are not willing to give easily, simply, when you see that they are reluctant for an app which cost less than a coffee
May 26 19:20:39 * wakelock got some donations too over time, since I didn't do it through gplay I paid no fees at all ;)
May 26 19:20:53 <adq> and they will 1 star uninstall refund for not so legitimate reasons
May 26 19:21:05 <adq> etc.. so lazy sorry
May 26 19:21:07 * danijoo hopes the google police does not read wakelocks thoughts
May 26 19:21:15 <dragorn> danijoo, if you want to get really angry and confused, read some of the 9th circuit stuff re: the google wifi mapping
May 26 19:21:39 <dragorn> danijoo, http://blog.kismetwireless.net/2013/09/wi-fi-isnt-radio.html ; i made a bunch of links to other reports on it
May 26 19:21:47 <danijoo> dragorn, i always get angry when i read US laws. Unless I laugh about it
May 26 19:22:07 <wakelock> laughing could be your defense mechanism ;)
May 26 19:22:14 <dragorn> actually DE has some interesting wifi stuff too; I added a bunch of code for some research students in germany a while back
May 26 19:22:15 <wakelock> "I'm laughing so I wouldn't cry"
May 26 19:22:26 <danijoo> nah its the "i dont live in that country" kind of laugh
May 26 19:22:33 <dragorn> it's not LEO-clean, but it hacked around the monitoring problems for them
May 26 19:22:49 <dragorn> it's been a while since I've followed the EU monitoring laws so i can't really speak to them off the top of my head anymore
May 26 19:23:10 <danijoo> dragorn, the DE law is kinda funny too
May 26 19:23:17 <danijoo> you are actually allowed to war drive
May 26 19:23:33 <danijoo> but having something like aircrack installed is already illegal
May 26 19:23:33 <wakelock> dragorn, what about wifi signals that are bounced off of stuff? technically that's residual echo, does the owner still own those?
May 26 19:23:42 <danijoo> you arent even allowed to have it
May 26 19:23:51 <dragorn> danijoo, yeah; they didn't get google under criminal laws, they got it under regulatory stuff
May 26 19:23:54 <wakelock> does that apply to tourists too? >.>
May 26 19:24:04 <dragorn> wakelock, the law really isn't that nuanced
May 26 19:24:10 <danijoo> no. laws are always only for inhabitants
May 26 19:24:16 <danijoo> tourists are welcome to break them
May 26 19:24:21 <wakelock> cool, Imma crack away!
May 26 19:24:31 <danijoo> same goes for murder and stealing
May 26 19:24:34 <shmooz> but I want to sell my app for 22 Billion dollars like whatsapp toooo!
May 26 19:24:41 <xpheres> haha
May 26 19:24:48 <wakelock> yeah I can totally see how I could get away with that, dragorn :p
May 26 19:24:48 <xpheres> good luck!
May 26 19:24:52 <wakelock> er, danijoo
May 26 19:24:54 <dragorn> wakelock, we're getting off-topic rapidly, but, tl;dr, it's generally either fine so long as you don't transmit, OR, it's an unlawful wiretap and you're going to have a bad time doing anything.
May 26 19:25:05 <danijoo> on court "but.. im a tourist!"
May 26 19:25:07 <danijoo> :D
May 26 19:25:32 <wakelock> dragorn, I see
May 26 19:26:01 <wakelock> a friend of mine accidentally bumped a car while driving a rented car in germany
May 26 19:26:03 <dragorn> wakelock, also frequency, etc matters - once you get into SDR there's whole ranges that are completely off limits even for passive rx.  If you're doing anything where you plan to use the results commercially or publish academically, you really need to get a lawyer.  If you're dicking around for fun and not transmitting, nothing will happen - if you STFU.  I cringe every time I see idiots posting pager logs on twitter fo rinstance.
May 26 19:26:04 <wakelock> all on an official visit
May 26 19:26:27 <dragorn> anyhow, there's channels devoted to that, I'll stop polluting here
May 26 19:26:28 <danijoo> in DE its illegal to send with more than 10 mW
May 26 19:26:29 <wakelock> he was so scared he decided to not go there for at least 5 years, until the thing gets old by law
May 26 19:27:07 <wakelock> lol, I still have my 200mW PCMCIA card, got it from the "black market" :D
May 26 19:27:34 <adq> in the early 2000s there were not much regulation about power emission
May 26 19:27:39 <adq> then green washing came
May 26 19:27:41 <wakelock> dragorn, wow that's messed up
May 26 19:27:47 <danijoo> in germany we say "wo kein käger, da kein richter".
May 26 19:27:52 <danijoo> "If there's no claimant, there's no judge." ;)
May 26 19:28:16 <danijoo> im also sending 100 mW :p
May 26 19:28:28 <wakelock> THIEF!
May 26 19:28:30 <wakelock> MURDERER!
May 26 19:28:38 <wakelock> I'll report you immediately!
May 26 19:28:52 <wakelock> nah too lazy
May 26 19:29:12 <danijoo> i think the call to german officials would cost you more then the ticket would cost me :D
May 26 19:29:29 <wakelock> nope, got cheap calls
May 26 19:29:37 <wakelock> AND a corporate phone ;)
May 26 19:29:43 <danijoo> :(
May 26 19:32:40 <wakelock> can't tell if you're sadfacing because you're afraid I'm going to use my corporate phone, or because I have it and you don't
May 26 19:32:43 <wakelock> :p
May 26 19:34:44 <danijoo> I have a corporate phone. But its not that cool if you are the only employee and therefor still have to pay :p
May 26 19:35:14 <wakelock> which corporation is that? :p
May 26 19:36:03 <danijoo> my one man coorporation :p
May 26 19:36:22 <danijoo> not sure if this business model actually exist where you are from
May 26 19:36:30 <wakelock> yes it does
May 26 19:36:47 <wakelock> so go ask your boss to deal with your phone situation then
May 26 19:37:11 <wakelock> "hey danijoo, I don't want to pay for my phone anymore, can the company pay for it instead?"  "sure thing danijoo"
May 26 19:37:18 <wakelock> and then you shake your own hand
May 26 19:37:30 <danijoo> its more like "danijoo can I... " - "no"
May 26 19:37:41 <wakelock> :(
May 26 19:37:56 <wakelock> als wow, I just realized I talked with the kismet guy! woo, I talked with a celebrity!
May 26 19:38:12 <wakelock> (yeah I'm slow sometimes)
May 26 19:38:53 <tx> heh
May 26 19:39:07 <tx> removing an animated view from a gridview doesn't work :P
May 26 19:39:14 <tx> I guess you need to shut it up first.
May 26 19:39:43 <tx> actually, it's only when there is ONE view left.
May 26 19:40:42 <danijoo> why should it not work
May 26 19:41:01 <tx> I have no idea. It removes views every other time
May 26 19:41:05 <tx> but if there's one left and it gets removed
May 26 19:41:10 <tx> bam, it stays there.
May 26 19:41:36 <tx> getView isn't called
May 26 19:41:52 <danijoo> im sorry to say that but.. you have a bug in your code
May 26 19:41:59 <tx> I hope so.
May 26 19:42:04 <tx> Otherwise that'd be a nightmare. :p
May 26 19:42:47 <g00s> ok this looks cool :D http://levelmoney.github.io/kbuilders/
May 26 19:42:59 <tx> hmm, I call clearFocus on notifyDataSetChanged
May 26 19:44:14 <tx> yep, that caused it
May 26 19:44:15 <tx> damn.
May 26 19:44:34 <wakelock> glad to be of service, lol
May 26 19:45:20 <tx> I need it though :P
May 26 19:45:32 <wakelock> dang g00s, yet another preprocessor?
May 26 19:46:33 <danijoo> g00s, pretty nice use of inline functions
May 26 19:47:14 <danijoo> but only available as jar :-!
May 26 19:47:31 <g00s> i'm still kinda looking at kotlin from the outside; lets see what happens at I/O from tooling perspective
May 26 19:47:48 <danijoo> g00s, why not come inside? :)
May 26 19:48:13 <g00s> my builds take a long time; i'd want to use jack & jill if they make things much faster
May 26 19:48:16 <danijoo> we have cooKies
May 26 19:48:23 <g00s> waiting 40 seconds for a build is intolerable
May 26 19:48:59 <g00s> sometimes they go very fast like 10 seonds, but a clean build is around 4 minutes, avg builds are like 30-40 sec
May 26 19:49:01 <danijoo> valid point
May 26 19:49:33 <g00s> and then of course, i find out about a syntax error and then have to go fix that becuase AS is retarded
May 26 19:49:45 <adq> yeah that also irratating
May 26 19:49:48 <adq> irri*
May 26 19:49:57 <adq> i have to "run" in AS to see some error
May 26 19:50:03 <danijoo> huh
May 26 19:50:08 <adq> which takes a incredible amount of time
May 26 19:50:31 <danijoo> on M11?
May 26 19:50:43 <adq> but i see the benefits, it forces me to make less error and focus more on coding instead of changing one line, run, checking the change, changing another line, run
May 26 19:50:45 <g00s> danijoo plain java
May 26 19:50:55 <adq> still i would like the build time to be decent
May 26 19:56:55 <tricknology> can anyone please tell me if #python is open?
May 26 19:57:00 <tricknology> I can’t seem to get in...
May 26 19:57:57 <groxx> tricknology: looks like it's open to me, 1901 users
May 26 19:58:05 <tricknology> maybe I got banned?
May 26 19:58:11 <tricknology> can’t join
May 26 19:58:45 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I got in.
May 26 19:58:46 <groxx> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
May 26 19:59:06 <tricknology> womp womp
May 26 19:59:08 <TacticalJoke> I once asked a question in there and they were helpful and friendly.  Having imagined another ##java, I was shocked.
May 26 19:59:27 <tricknology> heh they are.. I don’t know why I would have been banned
May 26 19:59:38 <TacticalJoke> What does it say when you try to join?
May 26 19:59:47 <tricknology> nothing
May 26 20:00:07 <tricknology> I’m on colloquy.. I can;’t find the window that tells me thigns from authserv
May 26 20:00:48 <wakelock> cooKies, that looks like samsung KIES with cooties
May 26 20:01:21 <danijoo> coo(Kotlin)ies
May 26 20:01:44 <wakelock> I get that
May 26 20:01:50 <wakelock> it's just not how it looked like
May 26 20:01:58 <tricknology> weird.. I got in.. had to identify… but I’m in here??
May 26 20:02:18 <danijoo> i thin #android-dev also needs that
May 26 20:02:20 <danijoo> weird
May 26 20:02:39 <wakelock> tricknology, no you're not
May 26 20:02:44 <wakelock> does anybody see tricknology? I don't
May 26 20:02:50 <TacticalJoke> Plot twist: tricknology imagined this whole chat.
May 26 20:03:23 <tricknology> what a twist
May 26 20:03:45 <wakelock> tricknology, have more highlights
May 26 20:03:56 <tricknology> thanks wakelock
May 26 20:08:51 <g00s> http://qz.com/411330/the-mystery-of-the-power-bank-phone-taking-over-ghana/
May 26 20:08:57 <g00s> 10,000mAh :D
May 26 20:09:31 <tricknology> I see we’re back to 1996
May 26 20:09:32 <g00s> i need to find that GALACE SQ
May 26 20:09:42 <wakelock> wtc
May 26 20:09:52 <tricknology> 3 sim cards though?
May 26 20:10:02 <wakelock> does it connect to satelites too?
May 26 20:10:10 <tricknology> looks like it should
May 26 20:10:19 <tricknology> cheap as hell too
May 26 20:10:32 <danijoo> with that shitty screen, every phone could work days without 10k mAh
May 26 20:11:28 <tricknology> resolution == potato
May 26 20:11:42 <gdrc> lol @ ghana
May 26 20:11:44 <tricknology> but it’s good in places like that.. sometimes power isn’t on for 24h
May 26 20:11:52 <tricknology> maybe liek 4h and not concurrently
May 26 20:14:48 <wakelock> "is that a phone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"
May 26 20:15:54 <wakelock> "Comes with Facebook and WhatsApp pre-installed" - that's definitely critical for the target area
May 26 20:20:06 <lxknvlk> yo android gurus
May 26 20:20:21 <lxknvlk> what means if my SQLite db.insert method returns -1?
May 26 20:21:05 <wakelock> fail?
May 26 20:21:14 <gdrc> you failed!
May 26 20:21:47 <lxknvlk> as i thought
May 26 20:21:59 <lxknvlk> but why then it does not throw something
May 26 20:22:37 <Ashiren> maybe insertOrThrow
May 26 20:22:38 <wakelock> doesn't feel like it?
May 26 20:25:27 <groxx> lxknvlk: yeah, insertOrThrow, because otherwise you're supposed to check the return value.  also it depends on your database, because you can have a variety of things that hide errors (e.g. "on conflict ignore" in your unique indexes / primary keys)
May 26 20:26:13 <lxknvlk> ok, thanks
May 26 20:42:00 <Nimyz> Hello all, I want to add an ‘add’ icon to my app, like the round plus icon in the Clock application in Android lollipop. Any idea where I can download it?
May 26 20:43:19 <tx> is there a way to clear all animations of a layout and its children?
May 26 20:43:44 <sr105> Is it possible to tell "mm" to only build a particular module?
May 26 20:43:59 <sr105> oh, nm
May 26 20:48:40 <Balrod`> Im trying to setup a bitcoin dice game, using Crypto-Dice when i try to "setup" it doesnt allow me to connect to the wallet, everything is entered properly any idea's?
May 26 20:49:57 <TacticalJoke> Nimyz:  It's probably here: https://google.github.io/material-design-icons/ (<https://github.com/google/material-design-icons>).
May 26 20:50:38 <Nimyz> TacticalJoke, awesome thanks!!
May 26 20:51:33 <cartsar> Heya all. I asked this question earlier today, but got no response whatsoever, so I hope it is ok if it post it here once more. Concerning RecyclerView Adapter and ContentObserver. Details Here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30468062/can-a-contentobserver-be-used-with-the-new-recyclerview-notifyitem-functions
May 26 20:51:40 <TacticalJoke> Those are the new, "material" icons.  The old Holo ones are probably googlable too.
May 26 20:52:15 <Balrod`> wrong room
May 26 20:52:17 <Balrod`> lol sorry guys
May 26 20:57:38 <luist> how can i add version name to my APK name? i use gradle 1.12 i think
May 26 20:59:14 <AlmogBaku> hi
May 26 21:00:28 <AlmogBaku> someone is here?
May 26 21:01:00 <JesusFreke> luist: I can't answer specifically for an apk, but I did something like that for my smali project (which just builds a normal java jar, not an android apk)
May 26 21:01:23 <AlmogBaku> I'm trying to create a ViewPager that is behind a "picture of window".. something like the follow illustration:
May 26 21:01:25 <AlmogBaku> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/1506529_10153330350587964_6684046832030656643_n.jpg?oh=c2b4d551bb4e4cd04932e4a5f48537cd&oe=55F129FD&__gda__=1443313976_3a9ac3a83d78b69b5dd40a914b48592a
May 26 21:01:48 <AlmogBaku> I created a FrameLayout with a Pager, and after that the ImageView
May 26 21:01:54 <JesusFreke> luist: e.g. https://github.com/JesusFreke/smali/blob/master/build.gradle
May 26 21:02:33 <AlmogBaku> it works on paper.. the thing is its not rendering as well, and skipping a lot of frames
May 26 21:02:49 <AlmogBaku> I/Choreographer﹕ Skipped 35 frames! The application may be doing too much work on its main thread.
May 26 21:02:55 <g00s> works on paper :)
May 26 21:03:05 <AlmogBaku> yeha haha
May 26 21:03:33 <AlmogBaku> g00s you have an idea how to implement that in a way it will actually work without skipping frames?
May 26 21:03:53 <g00s> AlmogBaku i'm not good with UI stuff, sorry
May 26 21:04:04 <AlmogBaku> oh thanks
May 26 21:04:52 <luist> JesusFreke: sounds complex :P
May 26 21:05:38 <cartsar> Hmmm... I am getting no responses at all to my question. If anyone could tell me if it is worded poorly, or if there is something I could change to make it easier to reply to, I am open to contructive criticism on it.
May 26 21:05:41 <AlmogBaku> it shouldn't be that complex
May 26 21:05:46 <TacticalJoke> AlmogBaku:  What is taking so long?
May 26 21:06:06 <AlmogBaku> I guess its rendering the transparent parts every frame again
May 26 21:07:13 <AlmogBaku> I have know idea how to do something such this otherwise.. I guess the solution related to the `onDraw` something?
May 26 21:14:12 <TacticalJoke> AlmogBaku:  Maybe I misunderstand your description, but I'm not seeing why something such as you describe would be so laggy.
May 26 21:14:37 <AlmogBaku> https://gist.github.com/AlmogBaku/bb66a5491f43c2200154
May 26 21:14:43 <AlmogBaku> thats what i wrote
May 26 21:15:16 <AlmogBaku> for some reason, it just laggy (and prints "I/Choreographer﹕ Skipped 35 frames! The application may be doing too much work on its main thread." over and over)
May 26 21:15:42 <AlmogBaku> My guess is that on each frame it render the transparent part of the image
May 26 21:15:52 <TacticalJoke> AlmogBaku:  That's just one XML file; need moar info.
May 26 21:16:16 <AlmogBaku> thats almost everything
May 26 21:16:33 <AlmogBaku> what part do you miss?
May 26 21:18:34 <wakelock> ALL OF IT
May 26 21:26:03 <tx> mannn
May 26 21:26:15 <tx> If I have one item left in my gridview that is animating (it's indefinite)
May 26 21:26:23 <tx> and I remove that item then notify data changed
May 26 21:26:36 <tx> it sticks there. what's worse is that it somehow obliterate's the gridview as well
May 26 21:26:58 <tx> as in, if you add any more items after they have all been removed
May 26 21:27:12 <tx> they all spawn below the one that's animating in limbo
May 26 21:28:07 <TacticalJoke> cartsar:  It's not worded poorly.  In my case, I don't know CursorLoader.  However, isn't RecyclerView.Adapter.notifyDataSetChanged a candidate here?
May 26 21:28:25 <TacticalJoke> Maybe that's the wrong answer, but I'm wondering why you didn't consider that.
May 26 21:30:02 <cartsar> TacticalJoke: Thanks for responding. notifyDataSetChanged is the less optimized function - it will discard and reload all of the data. The new notifyItem___() functions that are in RecyclerView are more optimized to only make the needed changes to the ui for the changed elements
May 26 21:30:51 <cartsar> I am not uber concerned about the optimization, but I am also trying to troubleshoot a secondary issue, and  I would like to make sure my adapter is working well to narrow down the issues.
May 26 21:35:47 <AlmogBaku> wakelock - its a simple pager with this image above.. nothing special
May 26 21:37:01 <TacticalJoke> Is it skipping frames on the emulator or a device?
May 26 21:37:29 <Thorn> hello
May 26 21:37:43 <g00s> "Material Design—a defining aesthetic not just for Android but for Google products in general—has left hardware makers less inclined to put their own stamp on Android, Lockheimer says" hm, interesting
May 26 21:38:18 <Thorn> my gradle build takes 50 seconds for a relatively small project (from a clean project), build tools 22.0.1, latest AS
May 26 21:38:26 <Thorn> is it anywhere near normal?
May 26 21:39:06 <xpheres> what computer do you have Thorn?
May 26 21:39:33 <tx> My CPU is a neural net processor
May 26 21:39:36 <tx> a learning computer
May 26 21:39:41 <Thorn> i7 mac mini, 16GB RAM
May 26 21:39:46 <xpheres> really?
May 26 21:40:02 <xpheres> I have an amd 4 core 1,5Ghz and does not take that much to compile
May 26 21:40:20 <tx> Compilation takes for EVER on my Debian-based i5 laptop
May 26 21:40:21 <tx> it
May 26 21:40:26 <tx> er, it's nearly instant on my Xeon.
May 26 21:40:26 <g00s> it depends on the # of deps, subprojects, etc
May 26 21:41:03 <xpheres> I have a very lightweight system and interface to improve performance, I use linux and enlightenment desktop
May 26 21:41:06 <g00s> 90% of the time is in dexing, or predex (can't remember)
May 26 21:41:34 <xpheres> but that just helps a little... it's all a matter of memory and processor
May 26 21:41:35 <Thorn> g00s: same here, dex build takes most of the time
May 26 21:41:37 <gdrc> it's a good challenge: who's the slowest? Xcode 6 or AS?
May 26 21:41:52 <Thorn> xcode is faster for me
May 26 21:42:00 <Thorn> when building swift
May 26 21:42:30 <gdrc> on my mac at work it takes ages (objc)
May 26 21:42:44 <gdrc> also the simulator is not fast as it was
May 26 21:46:02 <Mad3ngineer> ugh touch response is confusing me so much... e.getPointerId(0) and e.getPointerId(e.getActionIndex()) inside my ACTION_DOWN event always equals 0...
May 26 21:46:23 <Mad3ngineer> so, onTouchEvent(MotionEvent e)
May 26 21:48:08 <Mad3ngineer> switch(e.getAction()){ case MotionEvent.ACTION_DOWN: actionDown(event) } public static void actionDown(MotionEvent e) { Log.d(TAG, "Event id: "+e.getPointerId(0)) } prints out "Event id: 0" every single time.. even with multiple fingers
May 26 21:48:54 <adq> U MAD BRO? please describe properly your issue (Carefully explaining your problem is half the solution.) and use pastebin
May 26 21:49:30 <Mad3ngineer> my issue is that getPointerId(0) is always equal to 0... and apologies for not using pastebin on that one
May 26 21:50:14 <adq> ok looking at the doc
May 26 21:50:15 <adq> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getPointerId(int)
May 26 21:50:23 <adq> "Value may be from 0 (the first pointer that is down) to getPointerCount()-1.
May 26 21:50:23 <adq> "
May 26 21:51:00 <adq> oops that's the param, not what it returns, sorry my bad
May 26 21:51:13 <Mad3ngineer> even when I have 5 pointers down, the function getPointerId always returns 0... even when called from different functions, like ACTION_MOVE
May 26 21:53:13 <adq> ok Mad3ngineer, i've not idea what you're doing above, but i'm gonna paste something which allows me to handle multiple pointers
May 26 21:53:15 <Mad3ngineer> I was told that getPointerId is persistant between motionevents for pointers, whereas findPointerIndex is not persistant
May 26 21:53:36 <Mad3ngineer> ok, thanks. and i may have that whole understanding backwards
May 26 21:53:45 <adq> Mad3ngineer, http://pastebin.com/r0xygkjX
May 26 21:53:53 <Mad3ngineer> thank you
May 26 21:53:55 <wakelock> regardless of what you've been told, the docs should be pretty clear on that
May 26 21:53:58 <adq> this is in ontouchevent
May 26 21:54:10 <adq> err onTouch: public boolean onTouch(View v, MotionEvent event)
May 26 21:54:10 <wakelock> I also did a multitouch handler, all by just looking at the docs
May 26 21:54:41 <Mad3ngineer> i have one that should work in theory, except that I am doing something stupid with handling the events
May 26 21:54:42 <adq> so i've got the coords of each pointer in a loop
May 26 21:54:47 <adq> and I deal with that
May 26 21:55:15 <wakelock> Mad3ngineer, it is wrong to use 0 as an argument, you should use .getActionIndex() instead
May 26 21:55:27 <Mad3ngineer> ah, that must be my problem
May 26 21:55:39 <wakelock> I don't know who told you to use 0
May 26 21:55:43 <Mad3ngineer> I assumed that 0 would give me the active object
May 26 21:55:47 <Mad3ngineer> active pointer*
May 26 21:55:49 <wakelock> absolutely not
May 26 21:55:56 <adq> by using 0, you force to only take in account the first pointer
May 26 21:56:09 <wakelock> s/the first pointer/the one at index 0/
May 26 21:56:14 <wakelock> needn't even be the first one ;)
May 26 21:56:31 <Mad3ngineer> wow... thats a fail. thanks guys
May 26 21:57:00 <adq> thx wakelock, didn't know it was not orderered lol
May 26 21:57:03 <adq> ordered*
May 26 21:57:12 <adq> ah it is !
May 26 21:57:12 <adq> Value may be from 0 (the first pointer that is down) to getPointerCount()-1.
May 26 21:57:16 <adq> and i pasted it
May 26 21:57:21 <adq> i think i'm very tired, see you guys lol
May 26 21:57:30 <adq> s/thx// :p
May 26 21:57:36 <wakelock> yes but the one at 0 needn't be the first one
May 26 21:57:51 <Mad3ngineer> cya
May 26 21:58:16 <Mad3ngineer> I didn't think 0 would be the first one, I thought it would be the pointer the event is referring to
May 26 21:58:45 <wakelock> there is absolutely no guarantee on exactly how the OS will decide to arrange the pointers, therefore indexes/order is completely unreliable, but each pointer will be given its ID which will be the same from DOWN to UP, therefore that is reliable
May 26 21:58:57 <wakelock> Mad3ngineer, the event is referring to ALL of them
May 26 21:59:13 <wakelock> if you're given 10 pointers, the event refers to all of them
May 26 21:59:39 <Mad3ngineer> meaning I can access any of the 10 pointers' info from the event
May 26 21:59:44 <wakelock> if you're only ever interested in one, then record its ID on DOWN and search for it on MOVE and UP
May 26 21:59:53 <wakelock> not quite
May 26 22:00:10 <wakelock> if the event contains 10 pointers, it means something actively happened to 10 pointers
May 26 22:00:28 <Mad3ngineer> right, I have a function in MOVE that checks if e.getPointerId(e.getActionIndex()) == pointerid and if so, runs the code on it
May 26 22:00:41 <wakelock> sounds about right
May 26 22:01:11 <Mad3ngineer> hmm... new info to me. I assumed that if 10 pointers were moved near simultaneously, it would call 10 move events; one for each pointer
May 26 22:01:15 <wakelock> might seem pretty complex at first but there is definitely logic to it
May 26 22:01:29 <Mad3ngineer> it definately has me confused
May 26 22:01:40 <wakelock> Mad3ngineer, that would be ridiculously wasteful and inefficient
May 26 22:01:59 <Mad3ngineer> fair point
May 26 22:02:03 <JesusFreke> Mad3ngineer: what's helped me in the past is to do a verbose log of all the pointer events
May 26 22:02:20 <JesusFreke> to get an idea of the events that's coming in, and the data available in each
May 26 22:02:29 <wakelock> same here ;)
May 26 22:02:43 <wakelock> private void dump(MotionEvent e) { }
May 26 22:02:46 <Mad3ngineer> I have been trying to log stuff, but so far from all the getPointerId, all i have been seeing is 0...
May 26 22:02:48 <JesusFreke> yeah
May 26 22:03:25 <wakelock> and then of course forget to remove it before prodction :p
May 26 22:03:29 <JesusFreke> Mad3ngineer: you should definitely be getting a different pointer id for each "finger"
May 26 22:03:35 <JesusFreke> hahah :)
May 26 22:03:49 <Mad3ngineer> sounds like me
May 26 22:04:00 <Mad3ngineer> but yeah, i am trying to get this thing working
May 26 22:04:08 <wakelock> yell at it
May 26 22:04:10 <wakelock> might help
May 26 22:04:18 <JesusFreke> blow on the edges? :D
May 26 22:04:20 <Mad3ngineer> maybe beating my tower... and my phone
May 26 22:04:31 <wakelock> one with the other
May 26 22:04:34 <wakelock> lol
May 26 22:04:35 <Mad3ngineer> punching the monitor, hammer through hard drive
May 26 22:04:43 <Mad3ngineer> yada yada yada, you guys know the drill
May 26 22:04:49 <wakelock> screwdriver through phone
May 26 22:04:54 <Mad3ngineer> that too
May 26 22:05:28 <Mad3ngineer> drop my non-waterproof phone in coffee perhaps? maybe all it needs is a little caffine
May 26 22:05:45 <wakelock> if your phone is in fact the emulator, by dealing with the monitor you get two birds with one stone
May 26 22:05:55 <Mad3ngineer> indeed
May 26 22:06:08 <wakelock> you should punch twice anyway though
May 26 22:06:09 <wakelock> just in case
May 26 22:06:17 <Mad3ngineer> yeah, and of course hammer the hard drive
May 26 22:06:19 <Mad3ngineer> just for good measure
May 26 22:06:28 <wakelock> probably burn the house down too
May 26 22:06:31 <wakelock> you never know
May 26 22:06:41 <Mad3ngineer> good idea... probably the storage shed too
May 26 22:06:56 <Mad3ngineer> god maybe i should just take out the whole block
May 26 22:07:02 <Mad3ngineer> cant be too careful
May 26 22:07:12 <wakelock> sounds sensible
May 26 22:08:08 <wakelock> JesusFreke, it's called bleeding edge, not blowing edge :p
May 26 22:08:10 <groxx> horse's time of death: 15:07 PDT
May 26 22:08:41 <JesusFreke> wakelock: it always worked for NES cartridges
May 26 22:09:32 <groxx> yeah, I remember repeatedly plugging NES cartridges.  no luck.  blow once -> not only does it work, you now have infinite lives and better graphics.
May 26 22:10:11 <Mad3ngineer> whenever i did that, my NES just blew up
May 26 22:10:38 <Mad3ngineer> after 5 minutes of the most godly gaming ever, that is
May 26 22:10:48 <groxx> Mad3ngineer: I don't suppose you exhale pure hydrogen, perhaps?
May 26 22:10:48 <Mad3ngineer> its silicon chips couldn't handle it
May 26 22:10:56 <Mad3ngineer> only on mondays
May 26 22:11:11 <groxx> ah.  understandable
May 26 22:11:22 <Mad3ngineer> i knew i should have just asked jimmy to do it for me
May 26 22:13:28 <shoerain> anyone ever use assertj-android as `testCompile 'com.squareup.assertj:assertj-android:1.0.0'` inside build.gradle? I get a "cannot resolve symbol 'android'" when leaving `import org.assertj.android.api.Assertions.assertThat;` in my code
May 26 22:14:11 <Mad3ngineer> I am starting to forget why I wanted to write my own gesture detecting code versus using GestureDetectionCompat
May 26 22:14:29 <Mad3ngineer> *getting frustrated*
May 26 22:15:22 <wakelock> JesusFreke, lol, and for CDs too sometimes
May 26 22:16:27 <wakelock> Mad3ngineer, because you *wanted* to fiddle with motion events?
May 26 22:16:37 <Mad3ngineer> maybe
May 26 22:16:40 <groxx> shoerain: don't suppose it should be `androidTestCompile` ?  I'm not sure what the difference is, but it seems possible that `testCompile` is for unit, `androidTestCompile` for e.g. integration
May 26 22:17:08 <groxx> shoerain: and the square docs suggest androidTestCompile, so I'd try that, see if it magically fixes things
May 26 22:18:18 <wakelock> apparently with gradle it's a lot to do with magic
May 26 22:18:43 <groxx> with gradle, it might be religion.  the documentation is roughly bible-sized, anyway
May 26 22:19:17 <danijoo> groxx, the difference is that androidTestCompile is for android tests (on device) and testCompile is for junit tests (in the jvm)
May 26 22:19:52 <groxx> danijoo: yeah, sounds right.  so assertj-android should be androidTestCompile, yea?
May 26 22:20:01 <groxx> since it's assertions on Android components
May 26 22:20:20 <danijoo> i dont know. never used it
May 26 22:20:30 <danijoo> and i didnt really follow the discussion
May 26 22:21:33 <wakelock> "and I don't know wbat I'm talking about"
May 26 22:21:40 <wakelock> :p
May 26 22:22:21 <danijoo> good night ;)
May 26 22:22:51 <wakelock> what's with this "whateverj" naming? ok I get it, it's all about java, quit shoving it into my face
May 26 22:23:10 <wakelock> first it was the "jwhatever" naming, now this
May 26 22:23:20 <JesusFreke> jaspectj
May 26 22:23:29 <groxx> what's next?  jWhatever?  WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP!?
May 26 22:23:35 <wakelock> yeah I was about to say
May 26 22:23:45 <TacticalJoke> I feel like that about Kotlin.  Everything is [something]K, [something with K], or K[something].
May 26 22:23:51 <danijooj> hm?
May 26 22:23:54 <groxx> Javak
May 26 22:24:12 <groxx> no, wait.  J/Kava :D
May 26 22:24:16 <wakelock> /kick danijooj
May 26 22:24:19 <danijooj> TacticalJoke, like anko? :p
May 26 22:24:27 <JesusFreke> like funKTionale
May 26 22:24:41 <wakelock> Klass
May 26 22:24:42 <TacticalJoke> Yes. lol
May 26 22:24:51 <g00s> Kradle !
May 26 22:25:03 <wakelock> Kats in the!
May 26 22:25:04 <danijooj> Kandroid?
May 26 22:25:05 * JesusFreke rocks the Kradle
May 26 22:25:18 <groxx> I do prefer 'klass' over 'clazz' :)  no triple-pinky-finger combo.
May 26 22:25:20 <wakelock> anKroid
May 26 22:25:43 <wakelock> danijooj, good niKht ;)
May 26 22:25:54 <JesusFreke> groxx: you should use dvorak! it's only a double-pinky, on the other hand :p
May 26 22:25:57 <danijooj> gn waKelokckJ
May 26 22:26:01 <JesusFreke> or rather, 3 on alternating hands
May 26 22:26:06 <TacticalJoke> In Kotlin you could say `class`.
May 26 22:26:11 <groxx> JesusFreke: I tried for a bit!  then I switched computers, and lost my dvorak layout.
May 26 22:26:17 <groxx> then laziness set in
May 26 22:26:38 <groxx> now I just remember it fondly, as the good-old-days of confusing people who couldn't touch-type.
May 26 22:26:48 <JesusFreke> you should try procrastinating more. put that laziness off until later! ;)
May 26 22:26:49 <groxx> also it doesn't map to vim very well
May 26 22:26:57 <wakelock> you remember it while fondling? dude, TMI
May 26 22:27:01 <TacticalJoke> This is a valid Kotlin declaration:  class `class`
May 26 22:27:09 <groxx> wat.  backticks?
May 26 22:27:10 <luist> how can i find this property: Error:(25, 0) Could not find property 'releaseSigningConfig' on SigningConfig container.
May 26 22:27:12 <danijooj> code with voice recognition
May 26 22:27:14 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, for escaping.
May 26 22:27:17 <luist> im using gradle
May 26 22:27:21 <wakelock> ew backticks
May 26 22:27:44 <wakelock> kotlin must've been concieved by the mysql crowd
May 26 22:27:44 <g00s> `wakelock`
May 26 22:27:58 <danijooj> im using a qwerty setting on a qwertz keyboard. I dont even know how to make those backticks on that little devil
May 26 22:28:07 <JesusFreke> g00s: stop I think you're back-ticking him off.
May 26 22:28:11 <wakelock> wakelock: fatal error: not found
May 26 22:28:12 <JesusFreke> s/stop//
May 26 22:28:13 <g00s> heh
May 26 22:28:25 <Thorn> why does gradle download all dependencies all over again when I run ./gradlew for the first time? does AS use some other gradle installation?
May 26 22:28:38 <TacticalJoke> Thorn:  Yeah.
May 26 22:28:39 <g00s> Thorn yeah ... another cache
May 26 22:28:45 <danijooj> Thorn, because you didnt enable the offline mode :)
May 26 22:28:49 <g00s> not sure where it is though :P
May 26 22:28:56 <wakelock> g00s, I'm fairly sure you don't actually want to run something called 'wakelock'
May 26 22:29:09 <danijooj> oh yeah. it has its own cache as well
May 26 22:29:16 <g00s> wakelock it starts the gingerbread emulator
May 26 22:29:56 <Thorn> are both caches in ~/.gradle? I can't seem to see any other place
May 26 22:29:56 <danijooj> its either in the androidstudio programm folder or in the projects folder
May 26 22:30:05 <wakelock> g00s, yeah I know for you this is as good as gingerbread: cp /dev/zero /dev/null
May 26 22:30:34 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  FWIW, this is it: http://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/java-interop.html#escaping-for-java-identifiers-that-are-keywords-in-kotlin
May 26 22:31:44 <groxx> TacticalJoke: is "blah.is(...)" not unambiguously different than "blah is X" ?  or is there some other aspect of the language that makes that vague?
May 26 22:32:03 <danijooj> groxx, thats the point
May 26 22:32:24 <danijooj> in java "is" is not a keyword. so a method could be called is(....)
May 26 22:32:39 <danijooj> you woudnt be able to call that in kotlin because its a keyword like class there
May 26 22:32:42 <danijooj> so u must use the ticks
May 26 22:32:55 <groxx> yeah.  but even though "is" is a keyword in Kotlin, ".is" seems like it unambiguously defines it as a method call, not a keyword-use.
May 26 22:33:07 <wakelock> seems unnecessarily complicated
May 26 22:33:18 <danijooj> wakelock, its the same in java
May 26 22:33:33 <danijooj> you cant name a method class(..)
May 26 22:33:39 <danijooj> or abstract(...)
May 26 22:34:09 <danijooj> kotlin has other keywords than java. this is just a little "hack" to make them interop
May 26 22:34:09 <wakelock> g00s, truth be told, object.switch() would make it unambiguously a method call, if it weren't for the pesky switch keyword...
May 26 22:34:52 <groxx> yeah.  so you couldn't use it without scoping it to `this.switch(val)`, but that's fine
May 26 22:35:04 <wakelock> um
May 26 22:35:16 <wakelock> you can't name a method 'switch' ever
May 26 22:35:35 <danijooj> you can in kotlin :pp
May 26 22:35:41 <wakelock> I'm talking about java here
May 26 22:35:45 <danijooj> im not
May 26 22:35:48 <TacticalJoke> If I try to compile `"test".is(String)` I get "Expecting an element" with "is" red-squiggly-underlined.
May 26 22:35:50 <groxx> I know.  I mean from a language-parsing standpoint, that seems like an arbitrary decision when there are unambiguous ways to use it
May 26 22:36:00 <TacticalJoke> It's a good question, though.
May 26 22:36:14 <JesusFreke> groxx: it makes the lexical specification messy
May 26 22:36:28 <TacticalJoke> The thing is, if that were allowed, it should probably also let us define methods with such names.
May 26 22:36:33 <TacticalJoke> A method called "is".
May 26 22:36:39 <JesusFreke> you have tokens that can be one thing, or another thing, depending on context
May 26 22:36:41 <TacticalJoke> And then it gets messy, yeah.
May 26 22:37:05 <groxx> JesusFreke: kinda like "public"?
May 26 22:37:07 <wakelock> g00s, not really. think about it, how would an implementation look like? maybe something like... public void switch()
May 26 22:37:10 <JesusFreke> keywords and identifiers are usually identified lexically. it's possible to do what you're talking about, but it's not the way it's usually done
May 26 22:37:20 <g00s> wakelock wut
May 26 22:37:27 <wakelock> er
May 26 22:37:35 <JesusFreke> I had to do a bit of that in the smali language. It works, but it's a bit of a pain :)
May 26 22:37:37 <wakelock> groxx, not g00s
May 26 22:37:43 <groxx> or "final".  final means different things in different scopes.
May 26 22:37:56 <TacticalJoke> The nice thing about Kotlin is that it's neatly designed from top to bottom.  :)
May 26 22:38:03 <TacticalJoke> Everything is clean and simple
May 26 22:38:12 <groxx> backticks seem to refute that argument :P
May 26 22:38:20 <TacticalJoke> What's wrong with them?
May 26 22:38:23 <wakelock> it always means something 'final' though :p
May 26 22:38:24 <danijooj> TacticalJoke, this compiles: http://pastebin.com/gnw5mt3z
May 26 22:38:31 <JesusFreke> groxx: lexically, final is always a keyword
May 26 22:38:36 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
May 26 22:38:49 <groxx> JesusFreke: ah, I see the distinction now
May 26 22:38:59 <TacticalJoke> groxx:  Those backticks are probably used only for cases where you're interop-ing with Java code that happens to use a Kotlin keyword as a visible identifier.
May 26 22:39:00 <groxx> not in strings though :)
May 26 22:39:08 <groxx> but strings complicate things anyway
May 26 22:39:35 <JesusFreke> groxx: strings themselves are a lexical token. the inside of a string is irrelevant, other than the things like checking for an escaped ending quote, etc.
May 26 22:39:36 <danijooj> TacticalJoke, no you can use them everywhere in kotlin to make functions have the name of keywords
May 26 22:39:38 <groxx> TacticalJoke: yeah, it makes sense as a "we need to have this because reasons"
May 26 22:39:42 <TacticalJoke> Right.  Just saying in practice.
May 26 22:39:50 <danijooj> true
May 26 22:40:05 <danijooj> if i would only use kotlin, id just rename the method
May 26 22:40:07 <wakelock> groxx, I suggest you implement your own language parser, a lot will be clearer afterwards ;)
May 26 22:40:11 <danijooj> instead of using ticks
May 26 22:40:18 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
May 26 22:40:38 <TacticalJoke> I so badly wanna switch to Kotlin.  Sigh.
May 26 22:40:41 <TacticalJoke> I just can't make the final jump.
May 26 22:40:46 <TacticalJoke> (For my current project, that is.)
May 26 22:40:58 <TacticalJoke> My code is pretty neat, but there are a few cases where it'd be significantly shorter in Kotlin.
May 26 22:41:10 <danijooj> i just started my second kotlin app
May 26 22:41:13 <JesusFreke> groxx: https://github.com/JesusFreke/smali/blob/master/smali/src/main/antlr/smaliParser.g#L548
May 26 22:41:19 <wakelock> meh... kotlin, yet another buzzword/buzztech that will be forgotten after a while
May 26 22:41:26 <JesusFreke> you get crap like that, when the language allows tokens to be used in multiple ways :)
May 26 22:41:26 <wakelock> I remember when everybody talked about cordova
May 26 22:41:30 <wakelock> nobody does anymore
May 26 22:41:36 <TacticalJoke> That's not even remotely comparable, wakelock. :p
May 26 22:41:55 <wakelock> just watch
May 26 22:42:03 <wakelock> I give it maybe 3-4 months
May 26 22:42:04 <JakeWharton> don't believe me just watch
May 26 22:42:11 <JakeWharton> wakelock: Kotlin has been around for 4 years
May 26 22:42:20 <TacticalJoke> If Kotlin doesn't get big, I will eat my hat!
May 26 22:42:31 * danijooj wonders if wakelock is ravilov 
May 26 22:42:33 <TacticalJoke> (Plot twist: I don't own a hat.)
May 26 22:42:42 <pycas> hi all
May 26 22:42:47 <jaana> I root for it but it takes more than a language being good for it to succeed
May 26 22:42:50 <JesusFreke> TacticalJoke: does that mean you'll fast, instead?
May 26 22:42:52 <wakelock> JakeWharton, oh? didn't know that. I only heard of it recently. my bad. but still
May 26 22:43:00 <pycas> wifi direct requires the acceptance of the requests
May 26 22:43:04 <s73v3r> if Kotlin doesn’t get big, it will hopefully be because Google introduced something else for Android development that’s similar
May 26 22:43:06 <TacticalJoke> I will eat [error: not found].
May 26 22:43:20 <pycas> bluethoot the same
May 26 22:43:23 <groxx> JesusFreke: given the amount of time spent creating the language spec vs writing things in the language, that seems insignificantly trivial if it results in a more useful language.
May 26 22:43:24 <danijooj> the last thing we need is google coming up with their own language for android
May 26 22:43:28 <danijooj> that would be horrible
May 26 22:43:35 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
May 26 22:43:35 <pycas> exists any that does not require?
May 26 22:43:48 <TacticalJoke> The way I see it is that Kotlin is Java without the "meh".
May 26 22:43:49 <JesusFreke> groxx: I'm not disagreeing. Just explaining the likely reason why :)
May 26 22:43:59 <MikeWallaceDev> argh.  Does anyone else have problems with ADB?  Constantly disconnecting then not able to find my device.  I have to do some combination of song and dance (kill-server, unplug, replug, etc) to get it to connect again
May 26 22:44:07 <s73v3r> it doesn’t have to be a language Google creates. It could be an existing language that they gave official support to
May 26 22:44:09 <groxx> yeah, complexity-- drives a lot of things :)
May 26 22:44:21 <danijooj> MikeWallaceDev, check if there are other versions of adb interferring
May 26 22:44:22 <JesusFreke> groxx: although, it does have other costs. anything that makes it harder to parse the language will also make it harder to write tools that work with the language
May 26 22:44:28 <TacticalJoke> It's easy to learn Kotlin, too.  It's pretty simple.
May 26 22:44:36 <danijooj> s73v3r, like kotlin? :p
May 26 22:44:41 <wakelock> JakeWharton, to my experience it only recently entered the android world. it might have existed for years and might still exist for years to come but I predict it will leave the android world soon enough
May 26 22:44:57 <MikeWallaceDev> danijooj, how would I go about that?  As far as I am concerned, I only have one version of ADB on my box
May 26 22:44:58 <JakeWharton> well forgive me for not trusting your experience
May 26 22:45:00 <s73v3r> well, this is under the assumption that they don’t choose Kotlin, for whatever reason
May 26 22:45:08 <TacticalJoke> wakelock:  Have you learned Kotlin?
May 26 22:45:16 <wakelock> nope
May 26 22:45:18 <JesusFreke> I'm actually cautiously optimistic about kotlin
May 26 22:45:23 <danijooj> MikeWallaceDev, for exmaple some genymotion versions install their own ADB.exe. or HTC sync
May 26 22:45:26 <TacticalJoke> Same here, JesusFreke.
May 26 22:45:35 <TacticalJoke> I hate most languages, but Kotlin is actually decent.
May 26 22:45:50 <danijooj> I already have 1 kotlin app in production. They better dont let it down :pp
May 26 22:45:55 <JesusFreke> yeah, I'm not one to jump on most language bandwagons
May 26 22:46:02 <szronik> The Android Emulator has gone blank, any way to wake it up?
May 26 22:46:05 <groxx> first-class nulls seem <3 enough to make me want to use it
May 26 22:46:29 <wakelock> szronik, didn't you already ask this?
May 26 22:46:34 <TacticalJoke> When I first heard of Kotlin, I assumed it'd be yet another pointless programming language.  But I was pleasantly surprised when I started learning it.
May 26 22:46:37 <groxx> killall 'emulator-x86'?
May 26 22:46:40 <szronik> wakelock: No.
May 26 22:46:40 <JesusFreke> it sounds basically like "java, but done right."
May 26 22:46:43 <TacticalJoke> It really does justify its existence.
May 26 22:46:45 <danijooj> szronik, turn it off and on
May 26 22:46:56 <szronik> again!?
May 26 22:47:08 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, Java without all the repetition and bloat.
May 26 22:47:09 <wakelock> anyway, kotlin... eh, I guess we'll see. java itself wasn't immediately planetary popular either.
May 26 22:47:13 <szronik> It takes like 4 minutes to boot!
May 26 22:47:18 <wakelock> so I guess there's a chance
May 26 22:47:29 <danijooj> szronik, dont dev on a toaster then
May 26 22:47:45 <szronik> danijooj: Toasters don't have CPUs.
May 26 22:47:54 <MikeWallaceDev> danijooj, I did find another adb in android_source  ... renamed the dir, let's see if that helps
May 26 22:48:00 <danijooj> im pretty sure there are smart-toasters with cpu :p
May 26 22:48:12 <danijooj> they can post on twitter and instagram
May 26 22:48:16 <wakelock> TacticalJoke, repetition? lol, look at smali :p
May 26 22:48:23 <groxx> there are _definitely_ toasters with CPUs
May 26 22:48:24 <MikeWallaceDev> I'd bet taht cheap toasters have cpus....
May 26 22:48:28 <szronik> danijooj: Post what? Pictures of burnt toast?
May 26 22:48:34 <JesusFreke> yeah, smali's not even in the same category though :)
May 26 22:48:40 <JesusFreke> it's not really meant for actual development
May 26 22:48:44 <szronik> Yeah with a USB port and HDMI output
May 26 22:48:56 <szronik> just plug in a keyboard and start develping in the Toastie IDE
May 26 22:48:57 <groxx> if nothing else, http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/07/30/tweeting-toaster-has-more-followers-than-you/
May 26 22:49:07 <danijooj> http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/news/april_1st.jpg
May 26 22:49:11 <wakelock> JesusFreke, yeah yeah I know, however I've had my fair share of hacking precompiled apks so I got to know it quite intimately ;)
May 26 22:49:22 <wakelock> and had the pleasure of enjoying its verbosity :D
May 26 22:49:28 <JesusFreke> heheh
May 26 22:49:34 <JesusFreke> you're welcome! :p
May 26 22:49:40 <wakelock> :p
May 26 22:50:00 <szronik> danijooj: Anyway, this makes no sense. I can't restart the emulator every single time I want to run an app, makes no sense.
May 26 22:50:13 <danijooj> szronik, use genymotion
May 26 22:50:16 <danijooj> the emulator sucks
May 26 22:50:30 <shoerain> groxx: well had a similar problem with androidTestCompile, but I was mainly looking for testCompile as i'm pairing assertj-android with robolectric
May 26 22:50:33 <szronik> Yeah I read about genymotion on a blog. (Going to download it now0
May 26 22:50:51 <MikeWallaceDev> apparently no dice with the dir renaming...
May 26 22:50:53 <danijooj> soo.. kotlin discussion is over?
May 26 22:50:57 <danijooj> i want to sleep :(
May 26 22:51:04 <groxx> shoerain: ah.  dunno then, sorry - never tried robolectric :|  one of these days.
May 26 22:51:11 <szronik> sleep is for woosies
May 26 22:51:17 <groxx> or the uncaffeinated
May 26 22:51:28 <szronik> I slept 9 hours last night
May 26 22:51:28 <groxx> both of which must be culled, for the good of the horde
May 26 22:51:33 <wakelock> danijooj, Kappy dreams ;)
May 26 22:51:38 <danijooj> MikeWallaceDev, check the usual suspects. Broken USB cable, USB 3.0 port ...
May 26 22:51:44 <MikeWallaceDev> Kotlin is a developer buzzword.  It won't be big until it's an exec buzzword.
May 26 22:51:58 <adq> sleeping is a conspiracy from ppl selling you beds and pillows
May 26 22:52:02 <danijooj> Good Knight :)
May 26 22:52:06 <adq> gn
May 26 22:52:10 <MikeWallaceDev> danijooj, nope, everything else finds it...  Only ADB playing hard to get
May 26 22:52:22 <MikeWallaceDev> see ya danijooj
May 26 22:52:31 <MikeWallaceDev> thanks :)
May 26 22:54:45 <wakelock> meh, wanted to renick to Kj, but someone already took it :(
May 26 22:54:53 <wakelock> bet they'll become an executive somewhere
May 26 22:57:58 <wakelock> what is this? danijoo goes away, everything goes dead?
May 26 22:58:00 <wakelock> psh
May 26 23:01:26 <MikeWallaceDev> we live for danijoo_KSleep
May 26 23:02:31 <asarazan> Anybody feel like critiquing an upcoming open source lib?
May 26 23:02:35 <asarazan> http://levelmoney.github.io/velodrome
May 26 23:07:33 <g00s> the worst part about onActivityResult is the timing
May 26 23:08:16 <g00s> never seems to be at a convenient time in the overall lifecycle
May 26 23:11:12 <JesusFreke> asarazan: "Splines reticulated"++
May 26 23:12:31 <wakelock> s/splines/spines/ :p
May 26 23:12:46 <groxx> definitely splines
May 26 23:13:19 <groxx> wakelock: http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Reticulating_splines
May 26 23:13:54 <wakelock> I see
May 26 23:14:00 <wakelock> never was much of a gamer
May 26 23:14:25 <asarazan> g00s what do you mean? Talking about how there are some points where FragmentTransactions will crash the world?
May 26 23:15:03 <groxx> FragmentTransactions are _definitely_ one of the horsemen of the apocalypse
May 26 23:15:08 <asarazan> hah
May 26 23:15:59 <drose379> Guys, what happens to an activity when I click home button and then go back to it?
May 26 23:16:17 <wakelock> it explodes into fireworks
May 26 23:16:21 <asarazan> Follow-up question: What would you guys think if the handler methods could have params other than intent, with an key annotation to pull that value out of the intent and pass it?
May 26 23:16:40 <JesusFreke> asarazan: seems like a logical extension of the idea
May 26 23:17:20 <asarazan> JesusFreke yeah I'm liking it more and more, I'm just trying to think through null safety, etc
May 26 23:17:32 <asarazan> Trying to do that cautious developer thing
May 26 23:18:07 <asarazan> Also then I need to write all these new tests, and who has time for that!
May 26 23:18:28 <wakelock> null safety? do it like kotlin's ?. does ;)
May 26 23:18:35 <wakelock> yeah back to kotlin again
May 26 23:19:02 <asarazan> god I love kotlin
May 26 23:19:11 <wakelock> another fanboy, lol
May 26 23:19:14 <JesusFreke> my only complaint about the idea in general (the library as a whole, I mean) is that you're using reflection. Shouldn't it be possible to inject the method calls directly, in the annotation processor?
May 26 23:19:31 <wakelock> idea: would it be possible to join HandleResult and HandleResults into a single annotation?
May 26 23:19:38 <asarazan> JesusFreke yeah definitely, it was mostly as a v1 measure just to get the library out
May 26 23:19:44 <JesusFreke> ah, gotcha
May 26 23:20:08 <asarazan> and I've never really bought into the need to make all annotation stuff compile-time, since so little of it actually occurs in a performance-critical section
May 26 23:20:21 <JesusFreke> also, what happens if you have an onActivityResult defined already? :)
May 26 23:20:43 <asarazan> wakelock yeah that's how it was originally-- it was actually a kotlin issue that caused me to separate them
May 26 23:20:43 <JesusFreke> throws an error?
May 26 23:20:49 <JesusFreke> (which is fine, just curious)
May 26 23:20:54 <wakelock> ha, kotlin
May 26 23:21:03 <surf2b1> Is there a way to change the tint of a widget (Button, EditText, CheckBox, etc) dynamically? I know appcompat does this but not for 21+
May 26 23:21:08 <asarazan> lol legit can't tell how you feel about kotlin
May 26 23:21:15 <asarazan> JesusFreke not sure what you mean
May 26 23:21:43 <asarazan> speaking of kotlin, http://levelmoney.github.io/kbuilders if anybody's interested :-D
May 26 23:21:51 <wakelock> asarazan, it's nothing but a buzzword/buzztech to me currently, I'm waiting to see if it'll actually catch on
May 26 23:21:55 <JesusFreke> asarazan: oh, nevermind
May 26 23:22:22 <JesusFreke> I was thinking you were generating the onActivityResult method from scratch. I didn't notice that you just call into Velodrome within onActivityResult
May 26 23:22:23 <asarazan> wakelock ah gotcha. We've actually written a significant amount of Level Money in Kotlin and it's been a huge plus
May 26 23:22:31 <wakelock> asarazan, actually g00s linked that earlier :p
May 26 23:22:41 <asarazan> oh excellent :-D
May 26 23:22:53 <wakelock> now I'm thinking he's your agent :p
May 26 23:23:14 <asarazan> Eh I plastered it all over reddit and HN
May 26 23:23:23 <asarazan> sank to the bottom of HN predictably, but reddit was okay
May 26 23:23:45 <wakelock> yea okay...
May 26 23:23:52 <wakelock> no idea what's this HN, lol
May 26 23:23:53 <asarazan> Sad I missed the discussion, every time I open my laptop I forget to reconnect to IRC
May 26 23:24:26 <asarazan> wakelock a fossil of a time past
May 26 23:24:32 <wakelock> I see
May 26 23:24:41 <asarazan> news.ycombinator.com
May 26 23:24:59 <s73v3r> it’s like reddit, except the audience is startup people
May 26 23:25:04 <JesusFreke> asarazan: you need a bouncer ;)
May 26 23:25:10 <asarazan> lol
May 26 23:25:18 <asarazan> s73v3r and they all hate each other
May 26 23:25:23 <s73v3r> oh yes
May 26 23:25:31 <wakelock> I never understood this ycombinator business honestly, who/what is this, what is it all about, what do they do....
May 26 23:25:42 <s73v3r> why isn’t android respecting the heights i specify for my list items?
May 26 23:25:47 <wakelock> have no startup aspirations, must be why
May 26 23:26:06 <wakelock> because it has no respect for your puny code!
May 26 23:26:08 <asarazan> yeah wakelock they were a sacred cow for a long time out here-- I think they've lost most relevance the past year or two
May 26 23:26:32 <asarazan> s73v3r where are you specifying it?
May 26 23:26:38 <s73v3r> everywhere
May 26 23:26:56 <asarazan> lol
May 26 23:27:03 <s73v3r> I’ve specified it on my cell layout’s root FrameView, I’ve specified it on the inner card view, and on the imageview
May 26 23:27:26 <s73v3r> I’ve also tried specifying it on the imageview alone, and setting everything else to “wrap_content"
May 26 23:27:58 <asarazan> hmm maybe an inflation issue
May 26 23:28:03 <asarazan> what's your inflate call look like
May 26 23:28:04 <wakelock> now override onmeasure :p
May 26 23:28:10 <asarazan> wakelock oh god
May 26 23:28:47 <s73v3r> i’m passing parent into the inflate call
May 26 23:28:50 <wakelock> asarazan, not so official, noble sire will do :p
May 26 23:29:22 <s73v3r>             convertView = mInflater.inflate(layout, parent, false);
May 26 23:30:13 <asarazan> s73v3r welp that's the best guess I had but I don't see anything wrong there
May 26 23:30:17 <Zephyr1138> Do I need an kernel image of my phone to develop applications for it in Java?
May 26 23:30:35 <s73v3r> Zephyr1138: No. Just Android Studio
May 26 23:30:52 <JesusFreke> Zephyr1138: why do you think you need a "kernel image"?
May 26 23:31:39 <groxx> frodocol buffers xD  very nice
May 26 23:32:01 <asarazan> ^_^
May 26 23:33:25 <g00s> waiting for protokolbuffer
May 26 23:33:48 <asarazan> ooh that's solid
May 26 23:34:14 <asarazan> I was talking to somebody the other day, about the pros and cons of building a kotlin proto library that represents them all as data classes
May 26 23:34:30 <treelzebub> = > {}
May 26 23:35:58 <matt_j> so I've noticed that having 2 GCM push receivers is not even remotely trivial
May 26 23:36:00 <Zephyr1138> I'm not sure if I need one. I've installed the Android SDK Manager. I'm trying to figure out who to create a target platform for my Samsung Galaxy S5 phone.
May 26 23:36:24 <Zephyr1138> ^who^how
May 26 23:36:48 <JesusFreke> Zephyr1138: you can't create an emulator that matches it exactly. All you can do is create one with the same screen size and version of android.
May 26 23:37:13 <JesusFreke> Zephyr1138: but if you actually have a phone, it's probably better just to use the phone, rather than trying to use the emulator
May 26 23:37:29 <wakelock> you can always use your actual device for testing
May 26 23:37:39 <JesusFreke> the emulator would be useful to test your app out on other screen sizes, etc. that you don't actually have a physical device for
May 26 23:38:03 <Zephyr1138> ah... ok. I can get that from specs online and from my actual phone.
May 26 23:38:13 <wakelock> but yeah it would be ridiculous if you needed the kernel iage to make apps, lol
May 26 23:38:25 <Zephyr1138> what about other hardware specs like bluetooth?
May 26 23:38:35 <JesusFreke> emulator doesn't support bluetooth, afaik
May 26 23:38:59 <g00s> lol, google said they were working on BT in emu about 3-4 years ago ... still waiting
May 26 23:39:55 <wakelock> Zephyr1138, instead of overthinking and overengineering it like that, how about you sit down and make an actual app? just a simple one, to get a feel for it. a lot of it will just fall into place then.
May 26 23:41:09 <treelzebub> RE bluetooth in AVD: there is a ticket at https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=56608
May 26 23:41:41 <treelzebub> a ticket as old as the hills........
May 26 23:41:44 <Zephyr1138> wakelock, true... I'm new to this. I just discovered the need of the AndroidManifest.xml file.
May 26 23:41:53 <g00s> treelzebub yeah, already have that starred
May 26 23:42:55 <TacticalJoke> Why isn't it obsolete?
May 26 23:42:59 <Zephyr1138> treelzebub, thanks for the link. I was also going to use http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/bluetooth.html as a reference as well.
May 26 23:44:00 <treelzebub> Zephyr1138: that's the documentation for implementing Bluetooth functionality in an Android app. The link I provided is a feature request for Bluetooth capabilities in Android's stock emulator :)
May 26 23:46:16 <drose379> so guys when the home button is clicked
May 26 23:46:28 <drose379> A new intent is called for the home screen
May 26 23:46:37 <drose379> But what about when the app is re-opened after going home
May 26 23:46:47 <drose379> is that onResume()
May 26 23:46:54 <asarazan> drose379 most of the time, probably
May 26 23:46:59 <Zephyr1138> cool... thanks for tip all.
May 26 23:47:03 <asarazan> it's possible that your app will have been cleaned up for memory in the background
May 26 23:47:12 <asarazan> but if you go right back to it immediately, it's probably an onResume
May 26 23:47:18 <drose379> onResume ok
May 26 23:47:24 <drose379> Thanks, ill work with that
May 26 23:49:27 <drose379> asarazan it looks like onResume is being called when the activity first opens up too?
May 26 23:50:11 <TacticalJoke> It's always called.
May 26 23:50:15 <TacticalJoke> When the activity is shown.
May 26 23:50:37 <drose379> Weird
May 26 23:50:40 <MikeWallaceDev> s/It's/onResume
May 26 23:50:45 <drose379> so onCreate and onResume is called
May 26 23:51:09 <drose379> when the activity first opens
May 26 23:51:26 <treelzebub> drose379: it might be helpful to pull up a diagram of the Android lifecycle at this time.
May 26 23:51:36 <drose379> Ok
May 26 23:52:38 <TacticalJoke> drose379:  What are you needing this for?
May 26 23:52:48 <drose379> Creating custom camera app
May 26 23:52:55 <drose379> Not app, activity
May 26 23:52:56 <drose379> Sorry
May 26 23:53:08 <drose379> But I need to make sure the camera opens back up after user hits home and comes back
May 26 23:53:11 <MikeWallaceDev> There's a restaurant is China that must really wonder why this guy in Canada is constantly searching for them with the Google Places API....
May 26 23:54:44 <drose379> I may want to have you guys check out the code in a few, if anyone is available
May 26 23:58:06 <drose379> Guys is this diagram correct: http://developer.xamarin.com/guides/android/application_fundamentals/activity_lifecycle/Images/image2.png
May 26 23:58:46 <TacticalJoke> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
May 26 23:59:19 <phix> MikeWallaceDev: Is that the restrauant that sells penis soup from different animals?
May 26 23:59:25 <drose379> Thanks TJ
May 26 23:59:36 <g00s> drose379 lol. this is better https://raw.githubusercontent.com/xxv/android-lifecycle/master/complete_android_fragment_lifecycle.png
May 26 23:59:37 <MikeWallaceDev> you've heard of it phix !
May 26 23:59:42 <phix> MikeWallaceDev: I have
May 26 23:59:45 <phix> Never been though
May 26 23:59:57 <drose379> beautiful g00s :)
May 27 00:00:02 <phix> Tiger penis soup is quite expensive
May 27 00:00:02 <matt_j> anyone have experience with having 2 push receivers in an android app?
May 27 00:01:19 <matt_j> basically we're trying to migrate push services without losing anyone in the process
May 27 00:02:09 <matt_j> and yes, that's fucking stupid
May 27 00:02:38 <groxx> alas no.  I assume you don't mean two GCM sender-keys, but actually switching to a different push-provider thing?
May 27 00:03:26 <matt_j> groxx: switching away from Urban Airship
May 27 00:03:39 <matt_j> but if we just switched and removed the old SDK, pushes would stop appearing upon upgrade
May 27 00:03:49 <dragorn> I can't think of any reason having two push systems would be a problem at the app level, the big problem is on your backend knowing which to use
May 27 00:03:51 <matt_j> because the new service isn't initialized, right?
May 27 00:04:04 <dragorn> (or just send to both)
May 27 00:04:04 <phix> matt_j: I have never used push services, what is that all about?
May 27 00:04:22 <dragorn> you'd have to duplicate your rx intent handlers, and then you'd just support both gcm and ua
May 27 00:04:29 <matt_j> that's what I have
May 27 00:04:33 <matt_j> but it doesn't work :(
May 27 00:04:39 <matt_j> turns out it isn't that simple
May 27 00:04:52 <dragorn> since UA uses GCM under the covers anyhow you won't be doing anything message-wise which won't be compatible across them
May 27 00:05:14 <matt_j> Yeah
May 27 00:05:25 <matt_j> but when a message comes in, how does Android know which one actually gets it?
May 27 00:05:30 <matt_j> they're both using GCM
May 27 00:05:32 <groxx> matt_j: afaik you just switch / add sender IDs http://developer.android.com/google/gcm/client.html
May 27 00:06:39 <charlie_sanders>  I have a BaseActivity that extends Activity with a  method in it -  goHome(View view) , however when a user clicks a button in an Activity that extends it, goHome is not found ?
May 27 00:07:02 <phix> oh, push services looks like apacheMQ / IBM WebsphereMQ / Java JMS
May 27 00:07:25 <drose379> charlie_sanders whats logcat saying?
May 27 00:07:52 <charlie_sanders> goHome not found, but I just pasted the method into the Sub controller and its still not found so something else is messed up sorry
May 27 00:07:54 <groxx> matt_j: I think what we did was to just drop their code + add ours in a single release, register with our server to actually do the pushes, and just send to UA vs GCM depending on the recipient (since we stored enough info in our database anyway)
May 27 00:07:56 <matt_j> groxx: yeah I dunno
May 27 00:08:26 <matt_j> I'm supposed to switch from UA to Localytics
May 27 00:08:40 <matt_j> both SDKs can't handle their own pushes together
May 27 00:08:45 <matt_j> but if I take one out the other works
May 27 00:09:07 <groxx> I forget what's in the gcm intent extras.  does it contain the sender-id?
May 27 00:09:21 <matt_j> uhh
May 27 00:09:34 <groxx> you could maybe give a different sender key to Localytics than UA, and then tell where the message came from with that value
May 27 00:10:41 <matt_j> so do I need to roll my own GCM receiver to route the messages?
May 27 00:10:45 <charlie_sanders> drose379, nevermind it works fine :)
May 27 00:10:46 <matt_j> that's what it's looking like
May 27 00:10:55 <drose379> Cool
May 27 00:11:02 <groxx> matt_j: that's what I'm thinking, at least.  if you want to keep both libs at once.
May 27 00:11:07 <matt_j> shit
May 27 00:11:19 <groxx> eh, the receiver is just a normal broadcast receiver, pretty simple
May 27 00:11:36 <matt_j> I tried just putting one in with the same intent filter as UA/Localytics but nothing happened :( :(
May 27 00:11:55 <matt_j> I think I need to create a service as well...?
May 27 00:12:05 <matt_j> it's gonna break everything, I just know it
May 27 00:13:35 <matt_j> and keep in mind this has to work on an app upgrade without running the app :( :(
May 27 00:13:35 <groxx> matt_j: depends on what you have to do with the messages.  the WakefulIntentService route is pretty simple, but since you'll be handing it off to either lib based on in-memory information, there's no need to do anything outside the receiver.
May 27 00:13:53 <matt_j> if they upgrade from the store, it still needs to work without actually running the app
May 27 00:13:54 <groxx> ah.  no on-upgrade receiver, I take it?
May 27 00:14:01 <matt_j> well, UA has one
May 27 00:14:06 <matt_j> fuck
May 27 00:14:19 <matt_j> but that doesn't really help me
May 27 00:14:44 <matt_j> I dunno, this feels like a massive minefield; like I probably won't get it right
May 27 00:14:52 <groxx> afaik UA sends normal GCM messages.  you could just handle them yourself.  new devices obviously won't _register_ with UA, so they'll eventually die off, but they should still receive the messages.
May 27 00:15:22 <groxx> time to roll out that alpha release feature, maybe :)
May 27 00:17:14 <matt_j> heh, this is fucked
May 27 00:17:31 <matt_j> this looks generally non-trivial to pull off a stunt like this
May 27 00:18:20 <noahmg123_> I am having trouble setting a textview bg color
May 27 00:18:23 <TacticalJoke> I hate those StackOverflow answers that are just lame metaphors that don't come close to answering the question.
May 27 00:18:30 <TacticalJoke> And they get +200 and "Zomg, best answer ever".  Really?
May 27 00:18:42 <TacticalJoke> It's not improv -- it's technical questions!  :D
May 27 00:19:12 <noahmg123_> my code worked for a button, but then using the same exact code for a textview does not set the bg
May 27 00:21:40 <noahmg123_> is there anything wrong with this code: "textView1.setBackgroundColor(Color.HSVToColor(hsv));"? All variables are declared elsewhere.
May 27 00:22:01 <charlie_sanders> TacticalJoke, hehe, what question ?
May 27 00:22:34 <TacticalJoke> Oh, I lost it now, but it was an Activity-lifecycle one.  :D
May 27 00:22:55 <charlie_sanders> I hate those too
May 27 00:23:05 <noahmg123_> can anybody help me with my question?
May 27 00:23:32 <TacticalJoke> noahmg123:  Why not try something simple, such as `textView1.setBackgroundColor(Color.RED);`.
May 27 00:23:55 <charlie_sanders> yeah and ensure your handlers actually getting called now
May 27 00:24:04 <noahmg123_> TacticalJoke: it is dynamic
May 27 00:24:27 <TacticalJoke> noahmg123_:  The idea is to figure out what is not working.
May 27 00:24:51 <charlie_sanders> eliminate as many variables as you can
May 27 00:25:22 <noahmg123_> TacticalJoke: Yeah. It does not throw up any errors at all, which is weird. It just does not color it.
May 27 00:27:31 <noahmg123_> TacticalJoke: I just realized what I did wrong
May 27 00:28:04 <noahmg123_> TacticalJoke: the text view was actually just empty. :P
May 27 00:31:07 <noahmg123_> I was setting it dynamicly and forgot to change the setText line to a variable I was actually using :)
May 27 00:31:17 <noahmg123_> After an edit I made
May 27 00:39:44 <noahmg123_> TacticalJoke: It works now
May 27 00:52:17 <apoc52> Hi Everyone, quick question. I'm trying to invoke  db.beginTransaction(); where DB is a database that I have created. However it is telling me that it cannot resolve the beginTransaction method
May 27 01:00:20 <groxx> apoc52: probably means it's not an SQLiteDatabase.
May 27 01:08:43 <ircfox_> Hello folks!
May 27 01:09:07 <ircfox_> I am with the same problem as this post shows : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21446361/android-listview-duplicates-itself-when-i-launch-a-new-activity-and-press-back
May 27 01:09:27 <ircfox_> And I unable to fix it. Could someone help me out here please?
May 27 01:11:40 <ircfox_> My acual code is here : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b4396771c96bec6535a7
May 27 01:13:06 <TacticalJoke> ircfox_:  What's the TL;DR of your problem?  (I'm doing 10 things at once.)
May 27 01:13:16 <ircfox_> I tried to set the ArrayList, the View and the ListView as global vars and create a new method onResume, but it seems it didn't solve the duplication issue.
May 27 01:14:39 <ircfox_> TacticalJoke: I have two ListFragments, one updates the other. But when the button is clicked repeatedly the contents get duplicated each time without a refresh.
May 27 01:14:50 <groxx> ircfox_: among other things, you can't safely close the database until you're done reading from the cursor.  if there are more results than fit in the window, it'll crash.
May 27 01:15:43 <groxx> also, since you're re-using the cursor each time, it'll never update.  you'll just keep re-using the same values in that fragment, forever.
May 27 01:16:37 <ircfox_> groxx: So, you think this is the Cursor the guy who is duplicating the contents?
May 27 01:17:32 <ircfox_> groxx: I still trying to adapt this code to the pattern where the database keep open all time.
May 27 01:17:34 <groxx> ircfox_: you were probably running the commented-out code in onResume?  since you'll just be re-reading the same contents and _adding_ them to the list every time you resume, of course it'll duplicate.  if you want to replace the contents, replace it.
May 27 01:17:50 <groxx> oh wait, nvm, you were making a new list each time.
May 27 01:18:37 <phix> dont make new lists each time buddy
May 27 01:18:38 <ircfox_> groxx: this commented code is part of the test I was trying when I read the post.
May 27 01:18:41 <groxx> not sure why it was duplicating.  is your parent activity maybe making a second fragment?
May 27 01:19:05 <phix> what API should I support down to?
May 27 01:19:11 <groxx> phix: 1
May 27 01:19:17 <phix> API 1 you say
May 27 01:19:24 <JesusFreke> pre-release, obviously.
May 27 01:19:24 <groxx> :)
May 27 01:19:33 <phix> how much bigger will my app be with all of the support library bloat?
May 27 01:19:34 <ircfox_> groxx: the "first" ListFragment is creating a new Fragment each time there is a click.
May 27 01:20:24 <ircfox_> groxx: do you think this class is alright then. No motive to be duplicating?
May 27 01:21:06 <groxx> ircfox_: there could be reasons, but if that's all the code there is, it seems like it shouldn't duplicate.  problem might be elsewhere.
May 27 01:21:32 <phix> Ok I have a serious question now, in styles.xml I want to modify actionbar stuff, what item name's can I use in there?  I created a style of overflow but I cant change the text colours.
May 27 01:22:17 <phix> If I use Holo.Light as the parent the colour is applied, if I use Holo.Light.DarkActionBar it doesn't
May 27 01:22:35 <phix> can I get a list of all item atrributes that are supported?
May 27 01:22:40 <phix> Is this documented?
May 27 01:22:48 <ircfox_> groxx: this is the ListFragment which launches the other ListFragment : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cbc0d0250dd6ca37a1f3
May 27 01:26:01 <apoc52> Hi Everyone, another quick quesiton: I'm trying to call a method of another class in my oncreate class of my application
May 27 01:26:10 <apoc52> but its telling me that method: cannot resolve symbol
May 27 01:26:36 <apoc52> why would it not be able to see that method? it sees the class and i'm able to create a new instance but i can't call that method specifically
May 27 01:27:09 <ircfox_> apoc52: is the method public and did you import the class?
May 27 01:28:54 <apoc52> ircfox_: yes it is
May 27 01:29:22 <canvs2321> much easier just to paste code instead of just saying something doesn't work. quite a few times its an error with your code
May 27 01:29:58 <apoc52> ircfox_: see this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/FyVSTW7m
May 27 01:31:47 <ircfox_> apoc52: better if you point the line you are receiving the error and best if you past the full code.
May 27 01:31:52 <barbs> apoc52: which method are you trying to call?
May 27 01:32:31 <apoc52> the LoadCSVFile method
May 27 01:32:33 <canvs2321> is the problem 'this'? should show more of the code
May 27 01:33:12 <canvs2321> can't imagine you'd be loading a file in onCreate, or on UI main thread
May 27 01:33:22 <barbs> that's a static method, not an instance method, but it should still work
May 27 01:33:31 <apoc52> nevermind guys
May 27 01:33:33 <apoc52> i got it
May 27 01:33:34 <barbs> unless yeah, it's in an inner class in the activity. then "this" wouldn't work
May 27 01:33:37 <canvs2321> i'm guessing 'this' is the problem
May 27 01:33:43 <apoc52> my call to the method was inside another class
May 27 01:33:47 <barbs> BINGO
May 27 01:33:49 <apoc52> thanks for your help
May 27 01:34:06 <ircfox_> np
May 27 01:34:15 <ircfox_> groxx: still there?
May 27 01:34:36 <apoc52> but should i make an new instance of a class everytime when i call a method inside it or is it okay if its static and i call it directly?
May 27 01:35:58 <barbs> depends on what you're doing, it's kind of hard to see the full context from that snippet
May 27 01:36:44 <barbs> general util methods like that I think are ok to keep static, though some may disagree. It does make it trickier to unit-test
May 27 01:37:01 <groxx> ircfox_: yeah, just distracted / busy :)  I'm going to guess that .add() is not what you want in the transaction there, since you'll be making more and more fragments.  and do you have wrap_content on your listview maybe?
May 27 01:38:08 <ircfox_> groxx: yes, replace() seems better ;) where should I put the close() method on the second ListFragment?
May 27 01:38:40 <groxx> ircfox_: just don't ever close the database, you don't need to
May 27 01:38:54 <ircfox_> groxx: ok
May 27 01:39:00 <ircfox_> groxx: thank you!!!!
May 27 01:39:15 <groxx> closing _cursors_ is useful, once you've pulled all the data from it, but the databases don't really matter.  for most people it's faster / better to just never close it.
May 27 01:41:50 <ircfox_> groxx: when I call replace at first time it crashes the app.
May 27 01:42:21 <ircfox_> groxx: is there a way to test if it is already loaded?
May 27 01:42:45 <groxx> you can find the fragment by e.g. ID or tag
May 27 01:43:03 <ircfox_> groxx: Ok.
May 27 01:47:21 <drose379> Guys anyone know why theres a vertical line in my AS window?
May 27 01:50:55 <g00s> drose379 margin ?
May 27 01:51:13 <drose379> Dont know, its a random grey line
May 27 01:51:30 <drose379> maybe a screenshot would help/
May 27 01:51:31 <drose379> ?
May 27 01:53:08 <phix> drose379: no idea, why is there a black mark on your car for?
May 27 01:53:15 <phix> your = my
May 27 01:53:21 <drose379> dont know
May 27 01:53:25 <drose379> maybe a photo would help
May 27 01:54:09 <phix> :D
May 27 01:54:37 <ircfox_> groxx: I did : if (getFragmentManager().findFragmentById(R.id.layout).getView() == null) { add } else { replace } and it is crashing.
May 27 01:54:52 <groxx> probably on .getView
May 27 01:55:09 <groxx> drose379: does it flicker at all?  I get rendering glitches when it's starting up
May 27 01:55:21 <drose379> Not that ive seen
May 27 01:55:26 <drose379> One sec, gonna upload screenshot
May 27 01:57:22 <drose379> to the right of my mouse
May 27 01:57:24 <drose379> http://i.imgur.com/BMQ3Z3A.png
May 27 01:57:45 <groxx> oh.  that's probably the 80 / 100 / 120 character margin
May 27 01:58:11 <drose379> you think so? ok
May 27 01:58:23 <ircfox_> groxx: o/ working! Thank you!!!
May 27 01:58:25 <groxx> drose379: you can turn it off, if you want.  prefs -> search for "margin"
May 27 01:58:53 <drose379> I dont have a preft
May 27 01:58:55 <drose379> prefs
May 27 01:59:32 <groxx> in android studio
May 27 02:00:17 <drose379> I got settings
May 27 02:00:20 <drose379> not preferences
May 27 02:00:36 <groxx> ah.
May 27 02:00:44 <groxx> fwiw: http://cl.ly/image/462g1E3V3X3F + http://cl.ly/image/2N3h3I364335
May 27 02:01:22 <drose379> For some reason I cannot open those links
May 27 02:03:22 <groxx> hm.  cloudapp is sometimes flaky :|
May 27 02:03:27 <TacticalJoke> I can see them.
May 27 02:04:01 <groxx> anyway.  editor -> code style: "right margin" + editor -> general -> appearance: "show right margin"
May 27 02:04:24 <drose379> ah great, thanks groxx
May 27 02:04:53 <drose379> worked like a charm
May 27 02:05:06 <drose379> For some reason I feel lost without it
May 27 02:05:09 <drose379> shes goin back
May 27 02:06:57 <TacticalJoke> I feel lost without the Project tool window on the left.
May 27 02:07:06 <TacticalJoke> Though I think it's just because I like central-ish code.
May 27 02:07:19 <TacticalJoke> (I don't ever use the Project thing, I think.)
May 27 02:08:22 <g00s> 'node.js for embedded systems' hrrrm
May 27 02:08:38 <g00s> i guess it was inevitable
May 27 02:11:58 <TacticalJoke> When it comes to JavaScript or PHP, nothing surprises me anymore.  :[
May 27 02:13:16 <TacticalJoke> Up next:  "Script your way to beautiful Android UIs with our new presentation framework built upon PHP!"
May 27 02:23:05 <livtyler> hello, I'm in need of an instructor/trainer that can help us build a mobile application interface based in Xamarin AXML, the app is similar to a chat, we need to build basic functionality, and we are able to pay for every class. Thank you very much
May 27 02:23:43 <g00s> livtyler not too many talk about xamarin here
May 27 02:24:19 <livtyler> g00s: I don't lose the hope
May 27 02:25:36 <g00s> speaking of which, how much longer until the opengarden SDK is out :( is Android adhic wifi that busted ...
May 27 02:25:48 <g00s> *adhoc
May 27 02:26:05 <livtyler> come on guys, need some back up in Xamarin
May 27 02:26:33 <phix> livtyler: Is Xamarin any good?
May 27 02:26:47 <livtyler> phix: I hope so
May 27 02:26:55 <phix> livtyler: I have been turned off it since i don't know how to code in C#
May 27 02:27:36 <phix> livtyler: I am guessing you want to create an app that works under Android, iOS and Windows Mobile?
May 27 02:28:19 <phix> You realise this is an Android developers channel though, not Xamarin support?
May 27 02:30:37 <livtyler> phix: :(
May 27 02:30:38 * capella remembers xamarin is on his "list 'o things to waste time tinkering with"
May 27 02:30:52 * capella if he ever gets time to waste ;)
May 27 02:32:00 <phix> capella: same, although learning C# is way down in my things to do
May 27 02:32:18 <phix> capella: Learning ObjC is slightly higher
May 27 02:32:18 <capella> yah, for me it's behind Rust atm :)
May 27 02:32:42 <livtyler> well, I have received Xamarin support here, heh
May 27 02:32:44 <phix> Rust as in the computer game? or oxidised iron?
May 27 02:32:53 <phix> livtyler: really?
May 27 02:33:02 <phix> I guess there would be a handfull of people that use it
May 27 02:33:12 <phix> (in here that is)
May 27 02:33:23 <livtyler> phix: yes, indeed
May 27 02:33:32 <capella> http://doc.rust-lang.org/book/hello-world.html
May 27 02:33:39 <phix> ah rust language
May 27 02:33:41 <TacticalJoke> Kotlin is good to learn for people targeting the JVM (in any way).
May 27 02:33:54 <phix> TacticalJoke: Kotlin?
May 27 02:34:01 <g00s> http://andrewchen.co/mobile-app-startups-are-failing-like-its-1999/
May 27 02:34:02 <TacticalJoke> Even just as a "Here is an example of a well-design programming language" tutorial.
May 27 02:34:06 <phix> ah a language
May 27 02:35:09 <phix> capella: Actually learning BrainFuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck) was higher on my priority than ObjC and C#
May 27 02:35:17 <capella> mozillas working on a new browser called Servo built w/Rust
May 27 02:35:23 <capella> oh, heh - brainfuck
May 27 02:36:14 <djMax> is it possible to pass arguments to junit from gradle in an android project?
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